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Speaker 1: Always please when Congressman Warren Davidson joins the fifty five
Speaker 1: Caresey Morning Show to talk with us, talk a lot
Speaker 1: of us about what's going on in Washington, DC. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Congressman Davidson. It's a pleasure having you on
Speaker 1: my program.
Speaker 2: Brian. It's always an honor. Thanks for talking with me.
Speaker 1: Kind of exciting times being an elected official right now
Speaker 1: on the Republican side of the ledger, A lot is
Speaker 1: getting done. That's the understatement of a the year man.
Speaker 1: I'm Tony Trump has been able to accomplish more and
Speaker 1: you along with Trump's initiatives and what he campaigned on,
Speaker 1: a lot of which is being accomplished. It's just it's
Speaker 1: so fast and so furious. I personally have never witnessed
Speaker 1: anything like this. And all the time I've been looking,
Speaker 1: you know, studying politics was like junior year in high school.
Speaker 1: What's your take on just the the pace at which
Speaker 1: we're going here.
Speaker 2: Look, Congress is having a hard time moving at the
Speaker 2: speed of Trump. Trump's getting after it every day. I mean,
Speaker 2: the team he's put together is doing amazing things, and
Speaker 2: you know, the results are tremendous. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe the best line of the year was at the
Speaker 2: State of the Union when he said, you know, for
Speaker 2: the for border security, it turns out all we needed
Speaker 2: was a different president. We still haven't passed a really
Speaker 2: good border security law, but with the big beautiful Bill,
Speaker 2: we gave lots of funding so that they can keep
Speaker 2: the pace they're going at and frankly intensify the effort.
Speaker 2: So we're going to have a secure border. And with
Speaker 2: a secure border, that I'll give us a lot of
Speaker 2: options on how do we deal with the rest of
Speaker 2: these problems. And you know, I'm excited about that. I'm
Speaker 2: excited about our strong, focused military. I just met with
Speaker 2: the Secretary of the Army this week. We're working on,
Speaker 2: you know, getting the military laser focus readiness wise, I mean,
Speaker 2: cutting out the bloat and waste. I mean, I'm talking
Speaker 2: about bureaucratic inefficiencies we've known about for decades. And because
Speaker 2: Congress generally just does i'm bus bills and just you know,
Speaker 2: status quo, keep it going, they don't really do the
Speaker 2: major reforms. And they're getting after it in the executive branch.
Speaker 2: Hopefully Congress will move somewhere alongs in line with that,
Speaker 2: and we'll get some of those reforms documented into law.
Speaker 2: But the pace is exciting.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's good that the Supreme Court greenlighted people
Speaker 1: getting fired. I just had to laugh, although part of
Speaker 1: me wanted to cry. It took them four months to
Speaker 1: figure out actually the number of people that even worked
Speaker 1: in the State Department. They didn't even know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's mind blowing. I mean the
Speaker 2: Security Army. I was talking to them. He said, thirty
Speaker 2: thousand people work in just the procurement part. These are
Speaker 2: civilian employees, not soldiers, civilian employees, thirty thousand just buying
Speaker 2: stuff for the army. And I'm like, well, how does
Speaker 2: that compare with Walmart or Amazon. He's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: like five thousand, Like they buy everything in the world,
Speaker 2: all over the planet, right, but yeah, like five thousand
Speaker 2: people can do it. Thirty thousand for the army. So
Speaker 2: you know, they've got, you know, ambitious goals to shrink
Speaker 2: that and bring the technology up to speed. Part of
Speaker 2: the reason that some of this stuff is so broken.
Speaker 2: I mean, X small business with quick books has probably
Speaker 2: got more tech than a lot of our government agencies
Speaker 2: in terms of just accounting controls. You know, who authorized
Speaker 2: this spending? Did you really receive the part that you're
Speaker 2: about to pay for things like that that you just
Speaker 2: kind of take for granted that they're in place. There's
Speaker 2: a reason they can't pass a quote audit and provide
Speaker 2: accountability there. The other thing is this idea of the
Speaker 2: audit that they're doing. It's like, you know, they're not
Speaker 2: focused on details like that. You get all these you know,
Speaker 2: big accounting firms coming in and then want to go, well,
Speaker 2: how do you value the nuclear waste? You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we get some nuclear waste. We're not putting a price
Speaker 2: on it. I mean, we're just we're just trying to
Speaker 2: find out what to do with it. And they're flag
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and we're like, no, no, where
Speaker 2: did the money go that we sent to Ukraine? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Things like that exactly. Well, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that I was so impressed by, although underwhelmed at
Speaker 1: the total amount of fraud, waste and abuse that was
Speaker 1: out in the world. But when dog looked at USAID
Speaker 1: and we find out the American taxpayer is working and
Speaker 1: going to work every day to make money for income taxes,
Speaker 1: to find out that it's going to like Sesame Street
Speaker 1: in Israel or Afghanistan or something. I mean, the list
Speaker 1: of absurd and insane programs, it's mind boggling, and it's
Speaker 1: angering to folks like me and other people who pay
Speaker 1: attention to this. It's the same question who authorized the
Speaker 1: funding of this ridiculous program? And what did the non
Speaker 1: governmental organization who said they were going to fix whatever
Speaker 1: problem is identified actually do with the money. There seems
Speaker 1: to be no follow up or accounting along those lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean even if you look at structural
Speaker 2: problems like you know, hud Okay, we believe we should
Speaker 2: have a housing safety net, but you know, where's the
Speaker 2: money going for some of these projects. You keep funning
Speaker 2: it and they always say, we just need more money.
Speaker 2: But then when you dig in, you're like, in DC
Speaker 2: DC public Housing, only fifty percent of the housing units
Speaker 2: are even livable. They're like, well, you get a maintenanstant
Speaker 2: repair budget of what it gets spent every year. I
Speaker 2: aren't the place is fixed. Did you spend the money
Speaker 2: fixing the place? Well, we gave it to the contractor, yeah,
Speaker 2: but did they fix the place? You know, stuff that's
Speaker 2: crazy and it's no, it isn't getting fixed. That's why
Speaker 2: you have half of the housing units that the people
Speaker 2: are paying for not livable. They can't even use them.
Speaker 1: Well, And as to yesterday, the nine billion dollar federal
Speaker 1: funding reduction for foreign aid programs that went through the Senate,
Speaker 1: it's going to be back to the House. What was
Speaker 1: the one stumbling block funding for HIV AIDS research or
Speaker 1: programs out in the world. How's the House going to
Speaker 1: take the minor changes from the Senate on this one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're disappointed. I mean, good grief. You
Speaker 2: get to give a haircut to nine point four billion,
Speaker 2: which you know is a zero point one percent of
Speaker 2: federal spending. I mean yes, you know that's why are
Speaker 2: bond prices higher. Well, because they know nobody's going to
Speaker 2: cut spending. We're we're riding this sucker on Endo the
Speaker 2: trash site, it seems. And you know, we we identify
Speaker 2: ways to save money, it would be popular with the public.
Speaker 2: We I mean, only because jd Vance cast the tiebreaking vote,
Speaker 2: could we defund NPR and you know stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, MPR needs a billion dollars to sew propaganda
Speaker 2: for anti American propaganda often, but certainly, you know, anti
Speaker 2: anybody right of the center of the Democratic Party. They're
Speaker 2: pushing far left the agenda every day, and they've got
Speaker 2: lots of donors and plenty of advertisers, and you know,
Speaker 2: regular people that just donate to local PBS stations, you
Speaker 2: know who I admit to have some good programming. I
Speaker 2: like some of their programming, But if you look at
Speaker 2: the macro agenda, it's his way left of center, and
Speaker 2: they don't need tax dollars to do it. But only
Speaker 2: because jd Vance cast the tiebreaking vote could they do that.
Speaker 2: We're going to vote on it, I think later today.
Speaker 2: I mean, they have to go to rules committee here
Speaker 2: probably as we speak. And I think we're supposed to
Speaker 2: start a debate on the floor on defense appropriations again
Speaker 2: at nine. We did a little bit of it overnight
Speaker 2: last night.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems can you make defense appropriations, you know,
Speaker 1: contingent upon actually being able to pass an audit? I mean,
Speaker 1: that seems doesn't seem like a big ask. But you know,
Speaker 1: I am convinced like nothing else that there's a whole
Speaker 1: lot of fraudways that abuse in a trillion dollar military budget.
Speaker 1: This is not to say I don't believe in building
Speaker 1: ships and keeping up with the Chinese Communist Party or whoever,
Speaker 1: defending America's interests both at home and abroad. But like
Speaker 1: you said, where's the money actually going? Is it accomplishing
Speaker 1: anything or has it been misspent or otherwise stolen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was one of the topics talking
Speaker 2: with the Secretary of the Army, is you know, the
Speaker 2: state of the audit, because I've you know, got this
Speaker 2: amendment that I offer, which is, you know, any year
Speaker 2: that they can't pass an audit, you get to eliminate
Speaker 2: ten percent of the general in general. You know, they
Speaker 2: got too many generals, but you have to hold somebody accountable.
Speaker 2: And okay, we believe you need the money because we
Speaker 2: want to be strong and focused and have the best
Speaker 2: equipment in the world. Even when you do it. One
Speaker 2: of the things I'm going to speak at is this
Speaker 2: whole thing called latoral class you know ship Oh sure,
Speaker 2: the inland waterways and everything else. These are non usable
Speaker 2: for the purpose. Over half of them aren't even seaworthy
Speaker 2: right now, and they want to keep funding the program.
Speaker 2: And instead of just saying, look, man, we're just throwing
Speaker 2: bad money, throwing good money after bad here, and it's
Speaker 2: just sort of the sunk cost fallacy. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: we've already spent this much. We have to No, it's
Speaker 2: not fixable.
Speaker 1: Stop well, and I just have to throw this out
Speaker 1: because the nature of warfare has obviously changed dramatically, as
Speaker 1: illustrated by the you know, the the Israel and the
Speaker 1: Iranian strikes and of course you got Russia Ukraine. It's
Speaker 1: full on drone. I mean, you don't need multi billion
Speaker 1: dollar aircraft to accomplish the goal that a you know,
Speaker 1: several thousand dollars drone can accomplish. So are we going
Speaker 1: to move away from funding you know, these billion dollar
Speaker 1: manned aircraft in favor of allocating more resources of money
Speaker 1: to drone type technology.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully we're shifting the focus. I mean we're working
Speaker 2: on it. I mean our shipbuilding state of shipbuilding in
Speaker 2: the country is probably one of the biggest issues. Just
Speaker 2: keeping up with ammunitions is a challenge for the supply chain.
Speaker 2: You know, to be candid, we shipped a lot of
Speaker 2: them to other war zones and we need to replenish ours.
Speaker 2: Part of it was some of those were older. But
Speaker 2: then you get well, okay, what's the rate that we
Speaker 2: can produce new stuff, and that again through the procure process,
Speaker 2: isn't keeping pace with what we would like and what
Speaker 2: we what we want to build out for a future
Speaker 2: surge capability if we ever really needed to, you know,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't say I was ever one of the biggest
Speaker 2: fans of Donald Grumsfeld, but he had a decent saying
Speaker 2: I kind of co opted about the supply chain is
Speaker 2: you know, you go to war with the supply chain
Speaker 2: you have, not with the supply chain you wish you had,
Speaker 2: right And we're trying to fix that. And that's a
Speaker 2: big part of what Trump's doing with tariffs. It's a
Speaker 2: big part about you know, what we're doing with the
Speaker 2: Defense Production Act, and it is trying to get the
Speaker 2: whole country focused instead of just used to spending money
Speaker 2: on giant programs and not caring about the outcome.
Speaker 1: We'll continue to congress from more and Davidson pivoting over
Speaker 1: from that specifical or focus on our defense spending too,
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Speaker 1: by the time of speaking with Congressman Warren Davidson, pivoting
Speaker 1: a over to arms going to Ukraine. Trump's kind of
Speaker 1: been on again, off again on this, and most recently
Speaker 1: he said he's going to provide some additional weapons to Ukraine,
Speaker 1: notably some Patriot missiles as well as ammunition. They are
Speaker 1: in desperate need of that kind of thing, but the
Speaker 1: running out of people to actually operate it. Their military
Speaker 1: is getting decimated. Russia keeps making advances. And you know,
Speaker 1: patriot missile costs what four million dollars apiece. We only
Speaker 1: manufacture collectively like six hundred of them per year. The
Speaker 1: system that is required to fire them off and everything
Speaker 1: related to it is more than a billion dollars. And
Speaker 1: you've got six hundred plus drones flying into any given
Speaker 1: target area at a time. You can knock those down
Speaker 1: with Patriot missiles. The cost benefit analysis just collapses in
Speaker 1: the face of how cheap drones are. Congressman Davidson, where
Speaker 1: are you on arm shipments to Ukraine and where we
Speaker 1: stand on that? Because Russia they're unwavering in their position.
Speaker 1: They have a list of demands and they have not
Speaker 1: moved away from them. I don't know threatening them with
Speaker 1: fifty days to do this or that. I don't think
Speaker 1: Putin's going to lift a finger to do anything. He
Speaker 1: knows what he wants and he's not wavering because he's winning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you point out, like what's going to
Speaker 2: change Putin's mind? Look, the great thing is Donald Trump
Speaker 2: came into office with a very clear objective. He wants peace.
Speaker 2: He doesn't care precisely where lines are drawn, he doesn't
Speaker 2: care about a lot of the details. But he wants
Speaker 2: people is he said, I want people to stop dying.
Speaker 2: Like what's wrong with that? Stop dying? And they're there.
Speaker 2: There is a massive loss of life on both you know,
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian military and the Russian military. If you look
Speaker 2: at Ukraine, they've been decimated with their population base. They're doing,
Speaker 2: you know, really indefensible things to get more bodies to
Speaker 2: go out to the front and uh and push pushing
Speaker 2: people out into into the combat zone. And look, they're
Speaker 2: trying to save and defend their country. You understand, it's
Speaker 2: a it's a terrible war. Uh. But they're also not
Speaker 2: rationally negotiating. So Trump's done a lot to get Zelensky there.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, uh, you know, the weakness no
Speaker 2: matter how much money you have, no matter how many
Speaker 2: munitions you have, you still need manpower. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: critical weakness for Ukraine as this has gone on and
Speaker 2: on and on is manpower. So when they had manpower early,
Speaker 2: they weren't rational in their negotiating position. So you know,
Speaker 2: I hope they haven't missed a moment to get a
Speaker 2: better piece than what they're going to wind up with.
Speaker 2: But you know, this is part of how bad Biden was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I never voted for a dime to go
Speaker 2: to Ukraine because they would never define what are you
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish? And then they would say crazy things
Speaker 2: like well work regime change in Russia and war crimes
Speaker 2: tribunals for Putin. I'm not saying that would be a
Speaker 2: completely unjust outcome, but Ukraine isn't going to accomplish that
Speaker 2: no matter how many we send them. That's world War three,
Speaker 2: you know, And I'm out on World War three if
Speaker 2: we can avoid it. Right. So there's a complete disconnect
Speaker 2: here with a lot of the resources under the Biden administration.
Speaker 2: Trump has really still got it right and saying like
Speaker 2: this also isn't our war to fight or fund, so
Speaker 2: we'll sell NATO member countries the weapons. Uh. The sort
Speaker 2: of caveat there is I mean, we fund over half
Speaker 2: of NATO, so you know, in a way, yes, our
Speaker 2: dollars are still going to it. But he's trying to
Speaker 2: get an outcome, and I hope he does. But you know,
Speaker 2: the I think the odds are long at this point
Speaker 2: of getting put in to the negotiating table. If anyone
Speaker 2: could do it, I think Donald Trump can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's gonna it's gonna require Zelonsky to relent.
Speaker 1: I mean that just seems obvious because the longer this
Speaker 1: goes on and the more he he refuses to negotiate
Speaker 1: and back off on what he ultimately thinks he wants,
Speaker 1: which is like the Russia completely leaving the borders of Ukraine,
Speaker 1: which is never going to happen. This is just going
Speaker 1: to continue in Russia's position, and from the bargaining standpoint,
Speaker 1: he's just going to get stronger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then that's what's happened, is you know the moments
Speaker 2: I mean really honestly, the Biden administration scuttled it. If
Speaker 2: you look at you know, the Durefan ambassador out of
Speaker 2: this and how widely reported it back in back in
Speaker 2: you know, spring summer of twenty two, you know, months
Speaker 2: after the war started. Uh, you know that the Biden
Speaker 2: team scuttled any negotiation for peace. I mean the ones
Speaker 2: get that point was ready to reach a piece with Russia.
Speaker 2: So since then he's been emboldened by all the NATO countries.
Speaker 2: Then the you know the war path first people that
Speaker 2: are like, no, no, We'll keep cutting you unlimited checks.
Speaker 2: And at some level, I'm not sure all those checks
Speaker 2: made it to the front, but there there To your point,
Speaker 2: a lot of innovation has come out of this war.
Speaker 2: The United States has learned a ton. The drone developments
Speaker 2: come a long way, and you have you have lightweight
Speaker 2: drones with you know, vision systems, some of which can
Speaker 2: be controlled not one drone by one operator, but little
Speaker 2: swarms of these things, and they can target vehicles, they
Speaker 2: could target humans, they can discriminate amongst targets, and they're
Speaker 2: they're they're getting pretty good at the supply chain for
Speaker 2: for small, very effective drones. So they're there, they are
Speaker 2: multiplying their combat power, and over time, I think the
Speaker 2: drones have done a lot to dissuade Russia and the
Speaker 2: Russian troops on the battlefield, and they're definitely out competing
Speaker 2: on the supply chain because They've got Western civilization essentially
Speaker 2: funneling the supply chain, and Russia's got you know, China,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, a pretty big industrial base obviously,
Speaker 2: but the level of innovation isn't matching the drums. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've picked up battlefield drums and you know, held them
Speaker 2: in our hands for the small ones and looked at
Speaker 2: them in other ways for bigger ones, and looking at
Speaker 2: you know, what's the state of play for technology on
Speaker 2: either side, and you know, look, there's some encouraging things there.
Speaker 2: Any wars tragic and pieces of ed or outcome. So
Speaker 2: hopefully we resolve it.
Speaker 1: Amen to that, and something I talked about yesterday with
Speaker 1: Congressman Massi who joined the program his bill to get
Speaker 1: the Epstein files released, subject to limitations like no, no
Speaker 1: child porn or victim identities will be released, so there's
Speaker 1: some caveats, and then to protect the more warrims worriome
Speaker 1: elements of what we know they have, which is a
Speaker 1: bunch of child porn that he downloaded. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: a lot of questions, a lot of conspiracies swirling out there,
Speaker 1: and they only seem to be fed more by Trump's
Speaker 1: position now that there's nothing there that this is somehow
Speaker 1: Russian collusion or Russian hoax along the lines of the
Speaker 1: Steele dossier. That seems to be a position change for
Speaker 1: the president. But Massey's trying to fast track this bill
Speaker 1: to get those documents released. Where are you, Congressman Davidson,
Speaker 1: relative to that subject matter?
Speaker 2: Well more than public information. Normally when there's a prosecution,
Speaker 2: they will simply say I can't talk about an ongoing investigation,
Speaker 2: and you don't see all the details, right right, so
Speaker 2: more than a list or more than details that frankly
Speaker 2: I don't want made public because I don't want them
Speaker 2: to go away from being able to be used in
Speaker 2: a trial. I want to know when someone other than
Speaker 2: Julane Maxwell's going to jail, what's the state of the
Speaker 2: prosecutions is what I want to know. But I do
Speaker 2: find it troubling when you know, Pam Bondi comes out
Speaker 2: and says, yeah, I don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: and yeah, you remember the binders and the files that
Speaker 2: you were had on your desk, Like what so the
Speaker 2: messaging on this has just been a troche And I
Speaker 2: think that's the part, like what the heck are you
Speaker 2: talking about and unfortunately, when you look at the public
Speaker 2: statements that the president's made, normally he's on message. Boom
Speaker 2: boom boom. So you know, the one thing I know
Speaker 2: about President Trump, though, I mean, one of the things
Speaker 2: that's defined him is promises made, promises kept. So I'm
Speaker 2: certainly hopeful that we're going to see this promise kept.
Speaker 2: And where it's really going to be accountability for the
Speaker 2: people that we're trafficking kids and the clients that were
Speaker 2: uh you know all yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean someone, someone,
Speaker 2: someone was actually doing the other side of this, not
Speaker 2: just the victims. And so we want those people prosecuted
Speaker 2: and and the people are right to do that. And look,
Speaker 2: if if we can't do that, I mean we need
Speaker 2: an entirely we need a constitutional convention because this system
Speaker 2: isn't working. I mean that's pretty basic right there, Like
Speaker 2: you have to have accountability for people that are doing
Speaker 2: stuff like that, yes, you.
Speaker 1: And of course it fuels the fire of conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: like how many members of Congress are involved? And are
Speaker 1: there elected officials? Are their corporate CEOs that were involved
Speaker 1: in this? Just swirling, swirling questions and again fueled by
Speaker 1: the now statement that there's no there there. Congressman Warren Davidson,
Speaker 1: appreciate your time you're willing to spend with my listeners
Speaker 1: and me on the morning show. Look forward to having
Speaker 1: you back on and keep up the great work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Brian, Gov. Bless you and all your listeners.
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