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Speaker 2: Cougar Beat getting the dish from the local reporters that

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Cougar Sports here on one, O, three,

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nine and ninety eight three esp and the fan, Ronald

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the three male Weaver here Ap Andrew Peterson by my side,

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the data aggregation. The team here today. Mark Kelly helped

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us out in the first hour. Always appreciate him holding

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it down for us. Reminder of people like where's Ben

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crittle at. Hey, it's the bite week, guys, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: That's right. Ben's out there with the mouse.

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Speaker 3: G man might not like that, but Ben is enjoying

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himself as he should before the big game next week,

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because there'll be all hands on deck as right now.

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Currently number ten BA you would take on number thirteen

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Speaker 1: Game on ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Well College Game Day go back to back with Big

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the Daily Universe, which is crazy. I know he was

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your editor exactly. I remember he was a year semester

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two ahead of myself. I remember that. So it's crazy

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that all of us now have Well, you're close, ap

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of graduated or will be graduated, almost there, and we're

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gone along our way. So shout out to I guess

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was the editor at the Daily Universe. We all were

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Speaker 1: AP, you're coming up. You're right behind it too. We

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got action.

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Speaker 3: Jackson Jackson Payne JP brother, that's crazy to say you're

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gonna have four BYU grads right now on this show talking.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I use a powerhouse academic unit right like

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they pump people out and uh, we.

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Speaker 5: Got to enter to learn and go forth to serve.

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So now we're serving the world some hot takes on

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the radio right absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I know what I thought about that when I was flinning,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even think about planets like Andrew kind of

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graduate apro It's like bread and myself Jackson have already graduate.

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Speaker 1: Said wait. I was like, I was like, we got

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Speaker 3: We just need to, you know, get Carter in Chase

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Speaker 1: We can go. We got a little six man rotation

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Speaker 5: Hey, we already got the MVP of Media Madness and

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Ronald the three man Weavers. So we're all right, we're

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Speaker 1: Look, I've changed my ways.

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Speaker 3: I bark at people a little bit more now, So

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Speaker 1: Look, I'll be the enforcer.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind getting in faces, you know, being the

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loud mouth and netwgard and let Chase you know, dominate

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Speaker 1: That hype man.

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Speaker 3: You can't teach that grateful he didn't compete because he'd

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Speaker 1: Single play Brochase like six four six five up there. Man,

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Speaker 3: Eight no first time that be well, I think fifth

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or sixth time in program history Balie was gone eight

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to no. First time that they go on back to

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you know, the love and learn culture, because I believe

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Speaker 4: Well, I think what it says about it is that

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it's working right Like you you hear about all these

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different job openings and people throwing Kilanie's name out there

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for places like UCLA and uh probably LSU.

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Speaker 5: He'll be on the list just of what media puts

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like, that's never gonna

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that's never gonna work at other schools. I mean, maybe

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it will, but just what he has at BYU, this

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is the perfect environment. This is the perfect location for

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his style of coaching and his culture and the love

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Speaker 5: And and so it's like, you know.

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Speaker 4: He's Colonie's got something really really special going on right here,

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Speaker 5: Jay Hill is doing great.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Roderick to be eight to zero with a true

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freshman quarterback, I mean, just take a bow. He gets

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to a year like this, and like last year and

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the twenty twenty COVID season with Zach Wilson and kind

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of By's bursting on the national scene, albeit with kind

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of a unique schedule, and then the next year they

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go a defeated against the Pac Twelve. All these things

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have built up for BYU to be in the thick

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of the college football playoff discussion, to be in the

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Big Twelve title chase, and it's it's exciting because it's

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Speaker 5: It's just kind of in anything can happen league.

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Speaker 4: But you know, BYU's is kind of embracing its role

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in the Big twelve and is stepping out as probably

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one of the bigger brands, if not the biggest brand

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basketball team. That's that's insane. I mean, that's we talk

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about by US and everything school. BYU is the crown

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jewel of the Big twelve along with Texas Tech, and

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so it's been really fun to see and everything Colonie's done,

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every every shortcoming, every achievement, everything that he's built has

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want to put something in perspective here, Like BYU's offense

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has three new offensive line starters this year, two new

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wide receiver starters this year, less depth at they're running back,

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a new tight end, and a new quarterback that they

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got two months before the season or somewhere around there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been nomenal. I mean's we've talked about.

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Speaker 4: He's a great quarterback whisper. You look at all the

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success that Bui's had at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 5: I think the.

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Speaker 4: Word of the street is that he took over play calling. Dude,

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he's midway through the twenty nineteen season. So if you

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just start twenty twenty and on, Zach Wilson was awesome

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in twenty twenty, Baylor Romney and Jaren Hall were outstanding

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in twenty one, Jaren was great in twenty two.

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Speaker 5: Keenan Slovas you know, I'll.

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Speaker 4: Defend that guy until the day I die, And he

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had his moments of brilliance, But the big twelve open season,

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like the first season the Big Twelve, there's a lot

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of factors working against him and against BYU, but whatever,

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ritz Lft was great last year. And then Bear Bachmeyer,

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I mean, this is just what Roderick does. He understands quarterbacks.

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they've been able to use Bear's legs, especially considering the

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lack of running back depth. Using Bear as a weapon

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has been really effective. And then, of course, I think

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thing by He's done this year, aside from getting Rocko

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his career, was you know, when LJ went down at

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Iowa State, BUYU was trailing, and it just looked like, Okay,

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BYU's arguably best offensive players out, they're down, They're they're

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playing in a really hostile road environment.

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Speaker 5: Agains the team that doesn't lose at.

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Speaker 4: Home, and they just started letting Bear rip it in

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the passing game, and it was it was incredible. I mean,

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he was just he was throwing dimes, he was finding

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wide open guys like Parker Kingston. Just Bear's finally as

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comfortable as he's been all year in the passing game,

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and it made BYU really dangerous and really effective against

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Iowa State. And I just think that, I mean that

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you got it. Credit Aaron Roderick. Like I think a

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lot of teams have these play scripts that they scripted

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out the first fifteen plays. It feels like Roderck is

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scripting out like two hundred plays for these games because

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the preparation and the ability BYU has to kind of

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prevail late in games. It just feels like it feels

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like by the most prepared team in the country every

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week when when they go out offensively, it just looks

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like Aaron Roderck has a plan and he sticks to

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it and it works out really well. And I've been

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really impressed by roder I think he's the unsung hero

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of this team because we talk about Bear, we talk

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about the defense. Jay Hill is worshiped among this fan base,

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and I think Jay I think Aaron roder needs to

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be on that level as well, because what he's done

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with Blackmeier has just been unbelievable. I mean, b Yu

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is not eight and oh right now, without Aaron Roderick.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, and he takes so much slack,

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like you said, but to have a true freshman quarterback

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be eight to zer and not just aight to no.

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last year, right, he had Jake Retz Laugh also eight

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to o, a guy that turned the ball over a

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little bit more. So that leads me to this question, JP,

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who's been the better quarterback through eight games. I don't

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know if you have the stats, but I think it

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wasn't too far off.

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Speaker 1: I think snot Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Now, Jake had I think maybe four or five more interceptions,

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have that necessarily. If this is what the total yards

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through the passing game, Jake had one and seventy two.

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for Jake compared to Bachmeiers three. And then obviously you

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add the rushing yards Bears four O eight. Jake had

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three h three. Bear has nine rushing touchdowns three, So

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Jake has seventy four more total yards and Bear one

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more touchdown, but the turnover to interception ratio is way different.

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Jake took more sacks, Beart's not, and Jake turned the

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football over more. So who's been the better quarterback in

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Europeion through the eight games.

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Speaker 4: It's been Bear and it's not even close. You know,

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he's not putting the ball in jeopardy, he's not taking sacks.

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There's a toughness there. There's a calmness and a composure there.

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and when it was you know, when it was showtime, right,

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but in some of those other situations and games it

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got a little disy. Bear is just the composure and

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the and the ability to the grace under pressure, the

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ability to take care of the football. That's the best

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thing that Aaron Roderick values in his quarterback is being

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able to take care of the football.

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Speaker 5: And Bear is doing that about as good as anybody at.

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Speaker 4: BYU has under Roderick. And so yeah, it's got to

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be Bear. I mean, just to do what he's done

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as a true freshman. He's won four road games. He's

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not getting sacked the offense feels like it's flowing better,

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and I feel like Bear, you know, you could look,

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I Likedretts laugh. I'm not trying to tick the guy

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while he's down.

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Speaker 5: Obviously he's done great at Tulane.

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Speaker 4: I just felt like there you could name so many

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different things he did over the first eight games last

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year where it's like, all right, BYU got bailed out here,

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BYU got bailed out here, Like there were times where

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By was overcoming his mistakes, and I feel like Bear

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hasn't really done that. You know, he's he's stepped up

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when boy he's needed him too. He's he's orchestrated some

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really impressive drives. The only play I can remember Bear

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that was Rhett Slough esque was when I think it

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was Arizona where the snap was.

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Speaker 5: High and it bounced off his head and he picked

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it up and he rolled out and he tried to

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find Carson Ryan downfield. He tried to make stuffing.

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Speaker 4: Out of nothing and he got picked off. And I

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was like, Okay, we're looking at Jake Retzloff right now.

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he struggled a bit, but he got better as it

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went on and since then, it feels like every week

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it's like, Wow, Bow, he's got a guy. Bear's legit.

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There's there's nothing to worry about it quarterback right now.

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really had that kind of security. I mean, he looked

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the part at times, he made big plays, but at

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the same time, you were always kind of waiting for

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the other shoot to drop, and it kind of did

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because Utah he wasn't very good. Obviously, he came down

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the field to win Kansas, he wasn't good. The first

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half of Arizona State.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't good.

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Speaker 4: Like as soon as November hit, it was a different

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Jake Ritzloth. I mean, he was terriblely elimible. And Bear

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is getting better every week and he's not putting he's

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not putting the offense in danger, and so it's got

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to be Bear. Jake had a very Jake was good

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last year. Roderick, what he was able to do with

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with Jake was really impressive. But I mean, this is

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this is Roderick's Apex Mountain, what he's been able to

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do with Bear, and Bear's past every test, he's he's

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just I mean he's he's the centaur, right, he just

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he can't be beat.

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Speaker 5: It's been amazing to see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, as long as we're talking Bear versus Jake, Ron's

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been throwing this hypothetical out probably since Jake Transford a

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five to twelve matchup in the in the playoffs where

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BYU hosts a Tulane and things are you know, right now,

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it seems like there's a possibility. Is there a world

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to you where BYU hosts Tulane in a playoff matchup

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and we get to see the Bear versus Jake?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's definitely a possibility. I think the

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way for BYU b YU would have to go into

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the Big twelfth title game with one loss and then

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lose the Big twelfth Title game because I don't.

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Speaker 5: Think they hosted. I don't think they'd be able to

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host the game.

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Speaker 4: If they didn't win the conference or if they won

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the conference, right, I think they get a buy only

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the playoff, the playoff one that's weird, but so I

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think they'd have to go either into the Big twelve title.

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Speaker 5: Game undefeated or with one loss. They get in that

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large bid.

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Speaker 4: You would think if if the rest of the country

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shakes out the way it does, and then.

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Speaker 5: Tu Lane has one loss, I think to Ole Miss, so.

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Speaker 4: They would have to win out and they'd probably be

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the G five team just because nobody else is really

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seizing that. So yeah, I think it's possible. I mean,

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I think the playoff committee too, would love that kind

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of drama. I mean, Jake Redsloft's like a national name

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in college football, even dating back to BYU, but then

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the exit from BYU and being the Jewish quarterback being

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at TU Lane and just what they've done, it would

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just I mean, that's a great storyline. So I mean,

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I'm not gonna run to Vegas and put put it down,

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put money down, like, oh yeah, Retsloft's coming to BYU

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with two Lane and they're gonna But I think it's

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definitely possible, and that would be an awesome matchup. And

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I mean, let's be real, boy, you would would be

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two Lane by at least ten points. Retslof has that

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that dog in him right for lack of a better term,

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but I just think j Hill defense, with with that

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time to prepare and knowing what they know about Redsloff,

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think the cards are stacked against him at that point.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, like you think about this season.

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Speaker 4: Would b yub eight and oh this year with Jake

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Rretz laugh, I don't think they would. I think they'd

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have at least two or three losses. I don't think

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they would have won the Colorado game going down early.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Man, just would they be eight no with Jake retzloft

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Speaker 7: To that is a resounding no.

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Speaker 5: But Bear Bockmeyer is aiden though, and so I think

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that gives him the edge. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point that you bring up. Would this

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team be a to no with Jake rest laugh?

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Speaker 3: That's a question that we're gonna have to pose in

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the final hour here of Cougar Sports on esp and

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the fans where with Jackson Paine Action Jackson of the

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Desert News. Yeah, that's I didn't really think about that

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to that degree. You just then the brand and I

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guess the narrative in the storyline was, well, okay, you

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get a fifty or six year quarterback back and he

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would just lead this team to that that's not a guarantee.

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Now that you bring it up of if they go

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down early to the Iowa State game, is he able

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to bring them back?

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Speaker 1: That's a good point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you give maybe the Utah game, but you bring

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up a valid point in the other games Colorado, does

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he fumble the bag away? Arizona? Is he able to

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get you to win in overtime if they're down ten?

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I believe he would have been able to do that.

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But those are good points, not a lot of things

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that people maybe think about. So you gotta look at

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what Bear's doing and remember that this is just year one.

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He's got at least two more years before Ryder Lions

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comes in. So there's a lot that you have to like.

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of this year. He could potentially with what he's doing

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with a true freshman quarterback. Don't think he would like

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to leave, but hey, he's gonna earn this money and

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I think he's gonna get a few more dollars maybe

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in that pocket by the end of the season with

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what he's doing.

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Speaker 5: Why would Roger leave?

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Speaker 4: I mean, money's obviously a big thing, but b why

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he's paying their assistance. Well, he's got bear Bachmeier that's working. Well,

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he's got ryder Lions in the pipeline. The Big twelve

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is wide open every year. I mean, he could go

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to the playoff every year.

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know if he.

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Speaker 4: Wants to be a head coach because you think at

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this point, like with his track record, if he wanted

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to be a head coach, he probably would have been

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by now.

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Speaker 1: So true, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't really think Rogers's going anywhere.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 5: I just think the grass is too green in Provo.

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Speaker 3: Grass is not always green on the other side, and

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it's really green right now in Provo.

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Speaker 6: Well, if we're talking about like coach leaving, I would

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make the case.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of a lot of noise.

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Speaker 6: Around Dion going somewhere because I don't think Deon stays

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in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: We often agree with that.

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Speaker 6: Yet if a Colorado opened up and called Jay Hill,

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I think that would be a realistic job that Jay

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Hill would leave b YU for. What are your what

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are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 4: I think you know, Jay Jay is interesting. I think

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Jay is more likely to leave than than Roderick By

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by a long shot. But at the same time, like,

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the only time that Jay Hill has ever left the

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state of Utah for football was when he played two

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years at Ricks. You know, he played at Utah. Afterward,

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he coached at Utah, he coached at Weaver State, stayed

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at Weaver State for a long time. He's he's at BYU,

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He's had his health problems. Like I just feel like, look,

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he could totally leave, and I get that, but it's

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kind of the same way like Bronco Mendenhall could have

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left a million times before he finally took the Virginia job,

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And Bronco is a different cat man Like he he

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his way of thinking and his decision making process was

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very unique and was not standards as to what most

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coaches would think or do. And I think j Hill's

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not like in the Bronco area of weirdness for lack

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of a better term, But I think his decision making

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process is going to be a lot different than most

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and I think he's going to weigh things differently. I

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just think, you know, he could have gone to Utah

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State this past offseason. I think there were other jobs

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and other opportunities. And at the same time, it's like

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he's with Kloney who's his buddy, and Gary Anderson's at BYU,

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and just the recruiting success and the ability to win

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in the Big twelve, like.

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Speaker 5: They're having fun. Man, I don't know if anybody's rushing

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to make any big life changes.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, he could totally leave, but at the

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same time, it's like why ruin a good thing?

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Speaker 5: So we'll see about that. But I just think for now, like, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think Roger's going anywhere, and I think Jake could

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if you wanted to. But it's a matter of what

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he values and his decision making, which obviously isn't going

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to match what most coaches think and do.

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Speaker 3: Everyone wants to be a head coach, but sometimes you

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know the situation that you're in. Things change When your

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situation is the perfect situation. I know need to be

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take perfect with the grand of salt, but it's really

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hard to look at Aerontic and j Hill's situation and say, hey,

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we really don't have a great situation. You have a

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better situation than a lot of coaches, even the counter

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parts up north at Utah, than a lot of other

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coaches here. Jackson Pain of the Desert News on the

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line JPU. We had talked about college football playoff format.

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We'll end on this and get you out of here.

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On this note, Joe Klatt talked about extending to a

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twenty fourteen playoff format. You get the top four seeds

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of the ACC, Big ten, SEC, and Big twelve in first.

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Speaker 1: Are you in favor? You know of it expanding?

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Speaker 3: I guess the sixteen teams as number one and then

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number two if they do expand to this twenty fourteen playoff?

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Speaker 1: Is that too much? I feel like that's a lot

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of teams.

473
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Speaker 4: Twenty four is too many teams. Sixteen is perfect. I

474
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don't like the buys. The twelve is great because it's

475
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more than four, but sixteen is where it's at. I

476
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feel like sixteen you can get like sixteen. I don't

477
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like buys. I think everybody should have to play. I

478
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think if you have sixteen seed Boise State in one

479
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,920
seed Ohio State, I think they have to play each other.

480
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Speaker 5: That would be really fun.

481
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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, that way you have more like home

482
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site games with the sixteen team playoff too, and with

483
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no buys. So I'm all about the sixteen team playoff.

484
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It'd be cool if every conference got at least two teams,

485
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so you have two like I guess, if you go

486
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to the conference title game, you get an automatic playoff bid,

487
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which would be cool, but then might take away some

488
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of the conference title game. It takes away some of

489
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that intrigue.

490
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Speaker 5: But maybe I mean, just thinking out loud here, you have.

491
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Speaker 4: A powerful or so eight teams at least are coming

492
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from that power for then you get at least two

493
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G five teams. That gets you to ten, and then

494
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you can have six at large teams and that's where

495
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you know, that's where things get interesting with the selection process.

496
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So yeah, I'm all about a sixteen teed playoff. I

497
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alsought from day one. Sixteen was the sweet spot, and

498
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twelve is better than four, like I said, but it's

499
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not as good as sixteen, And so I would love

500
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a sixteen teed payoff, but I think twenty four is

501
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overdoing it. It's like it's like expanding the NCAA tournament

502
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field in basketball. It's like just there's there's something about

503
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sixty four or sixty eight teams that's just so special

504
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and so fun, and let's not water it down. Let's

505
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make let's make the playoff a real achievement, let's make

506
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let's make sure that there's not We're not just handing

507
00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:44,759
out participation trophies, right, Let's let's make sure that everyone's

508
00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,519
earning it and that's still a real badge of honor

509
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to wear, but also make it to where it's intriguing

510
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and fun and gives teams the best chance to make

511
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the most of it. So I'm all about sixteen, not

512
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about six not about twenty four.

513
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Speaker 3: I'm all about opportunity as well. But I do think

514
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if you get participate basing trophies, that's how it is.

515
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My dad and saw that in me from jump. He

516
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would always get mad at me because I didn't want

517
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to take the trophy. Michael, did I win first place?

518
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Speaker 4: Is?

519
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Speaker 7: No?

520
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Speaker 1: Well was I in the championship game?

521
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Speaker 3: No?

522
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Speaker 1: Then I don't want a trophy like That's how I did.

523
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Speaker 3: So I think that's a good philosophy to go by

524
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you bring up, because twenty four could be way too oversaturate.

525
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I think sixteen's perfect, and I took build off of

526
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your point of what you said to go with you.

527
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I think the conference game can still be beauty as

528
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a good thing. If you win, you get a higher seed.

529
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But if you lose, then you might have to go

530
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on the road. So then maybe if hosting that first

531
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round game, you might have to go on the road.

532
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And I think every team, if you were to ask them,

533
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would rather host a college football playoff game that have

534
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to go on the road to start that off in

535
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,759
a tough environment with a different matchup, different conference like

536
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:46,119
by You would rather host a two lane Illinois or

537
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a USC or a Washington whoever, I'm just naming other

538
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,079
conferences thinking out loud, like yourself, rather than going the

539
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road to an ole miss or an organ I think

540
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all schools could agree they rather have home field advantage

541
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than hit the road, for sure, no doubt. So I

542
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love that you brought up that point, JP before we

543
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:04,920
let you go. What's the best way we our listeners

544
00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:07,400
can support you what you do and how you do it?

545
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: Brother?

546
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you can follow me on Twitter at Jackson

547
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,799
five pain like Jackson five the band, you know. But uh,

548
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,440
and then you could go at deserret dot com find

549
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,319
all my stuff and me and Jay Drew and everybody

550
00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:23,039
else who covers BYU are writing on the air, and yeah,

551
00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:25,680
I mean just social media and clicks online. That's the

552
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,119
best way and love love talking to fans, and love

553
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,720
talking to to Cougar believers. It's it's a great time

554
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,960
to talk ball. So yeah, hit me up and then

555
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:33,880
read my stuff.

556
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Speaker 1: It's fun. Gotta read his stuff.

557
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Speaker 3: Number five Jackson, he's got the number five, just like

558
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,240
his quarterback with the Commanders. He give me a plug

559
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:46,160
number five as well. Mister Jaden Daniels did that right

560
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,200
through on the spot. Give you a love plug right there, neim.

561
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,880
I got to get healthy really like the way he

562
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,240
plays ball. Need him to get healthy though, no doubt.

563
00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:54,799
But JP, we appreciate your time today.

564
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Speaker 1: Brother. We'll catch up with you in the next few weeks.

565
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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks guys, good commanders.

566
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Speaker 1: Hey go commanders.

567
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Speaker 3: As he said, a p A wanted to just recap

568
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a few things before we go to break.

569
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Speaker 1: I know we don't how much time.

570
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Speaker 3: But we discussed it a little bit, you know, Jake,

571
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you know Bear Tulane by you.

572
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Speaker 1: Just your thoughts on the entire matter earlier in that segment.

573
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Speaker 6: I think it's not I don't know if it's a

574
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,839
fair comparison for me, and I've heard this a lot

575
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of the Jake wouldn't be eight to no this year because.

576
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Speaker 1: If joh take right there, Jake wouldn't be a no.

577
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Speaker 6: And Jackson's not the only one to say I heard

578
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a lot actually okay, because they don't think he'd come

579
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back from the Arizona To be fair, the one game

580
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that I don't think he wins is probably that Iowa

581
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State game.

582
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one. That's a real tough one.

583
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Speaker 6: But at the same time, he probably could have because

584
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he was more of a like I viewed Jake as

585
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a more of a thrower, run second, whereas Bear can

586
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sometimes be run first, throw second. And so in that game,

587
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I always State didn't have a corner that could cover.

588
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,559
They didn't have their corners, could not cover the grass

589
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:07,160
they were standing on based on how they played, like

590
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,519
guard Park, when you let two receivers get over one

591
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:15,640
hundred yards on you, there's a problem there. There's a

592
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,920
real problem there, and I think Jake probably could have

593
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torn them up. I think Jake could have won that game.

594
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But if we're talking about the Arizona game and the

595
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other the Colorado game, we just make the assumption he

596
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couldn't make he couldn't come like he couldn't win because

597
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,279
he couldn't come back there's not a guarantee he would

598
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get them in that hole in the first place. The

599
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,440
way that Jake plays, Jake comes out firing, and I

600
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,519
think Jake probably could have kept us in the game

601
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at the.

602
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Speaker 1: Beginning of those games.

603
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Speaker 6: So I think it's a little bit unfair to just

604
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say Jake wouldn't be eight to no. I think b

605
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Wy you probably would be eight to no. The difference

606
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,839
I think is where I was I texted my friends

607
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,000
is I don't think Bear loses the Kansas game last year,

608
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like I don't think he loses that game. That's where

609
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I think that state because I think Jake easily could

610
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,880
tear up this easy schedule we've had, Like it's been

611
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,640
easy outside of two games. Let's be real, and Arizona

612
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,200
is a decent team, so maybe three games offense is

613
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:13,039
very competitive. But I think that I think Bear could

614
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:15,480
have won that Kansas game last year, and I don't

615
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:17,920
I'm not sure about the Arizona State game just because

616
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,839
Camas Gottaby is an absolute dog. I think we probably

617
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,039
still lose that game, but I think we would have

618
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been eleven and one in a conference championship game if

619
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we get this year's Bear last year is where I

620
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would say Bear is better than Jake.

621
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Speaker 3: Bring up a very good point that I really didn't

622
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,119
think about, is what would Bear have done in that

623
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,119
Kansas and Arizona State game. Let's just say the Arizona

624
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State's are lost. They're the best team. I don't want

625
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to disrespect them. They proved everything last year and proved

626
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,720
people wrong this year. Really won't know it. Still a

627
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,000
lot of football left. But the Kansas game, I think

628
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,759
beats Kansas. I don't even think they beat him. I

629
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:51,559
think they blow him out.

630
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Speaker 1: I think I think he puts thirty five.

631
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Speaker 3: I think he puts at least thirty five, if not

632
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thirty eight, maybe can say forty one at the max.

633
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,480
I do agree, and I believe you are using the

634
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title game. But this year, with this quarterback, with the

635
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,119
way he takes care of the football, I do agree

636
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,400
with Jackson on this note. I don't think that Byu

637
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,839
is going to be in bad situations because I haven't

638
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,720
seen it yet of Bear turning the football over. He's

639
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:15,680
had moments right the Arizona game where you can't really

640
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,680
throw the football at it.

641
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Speaker 1: In West Virginia, where a guy.

642
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: Makes a good place so you get him out of

643
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,279
the way, but only three interceptions three games.

644
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Speaker 1: And Bear has hasn't turned over a fumble either.

645
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Speaker 6: Bear's turned it over a few times, but he hasn't

646
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,799
turned it over in critical times of the game, like

647
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:31,759
the turnovers against West Virginia.

648
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Speaker 1: We were gonna win no matter what. Never did turn

649
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it over in their part of the field. They have

650
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to go back.

651
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 6: Well except for the fumble, Yeah, that was the West

652
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,720
one one, but it wasn't like a critical Never in

653
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,000
that game. Did you feel like Byu was in any

654
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,119
danger of losing control of that game?

655
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Speaker 1: Nope.

656
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Speaker 6: But Jake had some terminal turnover like bad time turnovers

657
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end of the Arizona State game Kansas end of the half.

658
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Speaker 1: You know.

659
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Speaker 6: So that's that's where I think the difference is Bears

660
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better than Jake.

661
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,799
Speaker 1: I hear you in that, and I second and I

662
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:05,680
echo that, no doubt about it.

663
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: He has had a fumble, like you said the Western

664
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,640
the game, don't want people coming, and I count that

665
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,599
as a fumble because he counts on the stat sheet.

666
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,160
It's more of a pitch that he's trying to get

667
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,200
it out there. I look more at the fumbles that

668
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:19,480
Jake had, is okay, he's handing it off. He's miscommunicating

669
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,559
it with with Aiden Robbins back in the day, right

670
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:24,119
with l J he's fumbling the ball.

671
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Speaker 1: Thinks we were pazzis.

672
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Speaker 3: He's like, your exchanges are bad or you're fumbling at

673
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,519
yourself when you're running like that. Bear's not doing that.

674
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:33,240
Bears had a few moments with two hands where people

675
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,119
have almost knocked the loose. So need the Bear tar

676
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,319
tart to maybe clean those up going into the end zone.

677
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,960
I know two hands might think that way, but it

678
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,599
actually might be easier to strip.

679
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Speaker 1: It needs to be two hands up against the body,

680
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,480
not just yeah, he's up against his stomach.

681
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,119
Speaker 3: So when he's running and people are hearing us, but

682
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:47,839
they're looking at me when I say this, because we

683
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,200
actually have some footballs in our Banderwill Banderwell studios. He

684
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:53,680
runs with it like this and this is not good

685
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,680
because that can cause the fumble. He needs to run

686
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,880
with it like this where he's got the So I

687
00:28:58,119 --> 00:28:59,920
understand what you're saying. I think most fans would have

688
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,039
would agree with that. But that was a great conversation

689
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,880
with Jackson Pain. If you're listening live, we appreciate that.

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692
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693
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Speaker 3: Let's get into the final segment of Cougar Sports coming

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up next right here, one, three, nine and nine.

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Speaker 1: It's time that's celebrate that friggest team sport known to man,

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with Ben Kripple.

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00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: Welcome back Cougar Sports one on three point nine ninety

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Brett always bringing the hammer on the mic as well,

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Vic Graham on the data aggregation. Getting into our last

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segment in the final hour of Cougar Sports, gonna discuss

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all things related college football with a Big twelve insider.

728
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,960
College football insider. He knows a lot about Case State,

729
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,960
but also a lot about the Big Twelve. One of

730
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my favorite guests to have on this show. If he

731
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was only local, maybe I need to ask him about

732
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his jump shot. I know he probably hooped. You know,

733
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,839
he's silky smooth, about six foot six foot one, he's

734
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,359
got he's got long arms. I guarantee he could lock

735
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some people up. So don't know if he was that

736
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,400
or if he, you know, played football, or if he

737
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was a track star.

738
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: I might have to ask him.

739
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,920
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Speaker 1: Person that writes for Open for Business.

761
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Speaker 3: He is also on Casey Sports Network, one of our

762
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favorite guests.

763
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,039
Speaker 1: Love to have him.

764
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: I got to ask him now if he played hoop

765
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:57,039
in high school. We got John Kertch on the line. John,

766
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:57,880
how we doing brother?

767
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:03,039
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm doing well. So I was cut from the

768
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,880
freshman basketball team at the Blue Valley West High School,

769
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,119
but I will point out my class won the state

770
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,799
championship the senior year, my senior year, so it was

771
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,200
at least like it was a good crop. Listen, I

772
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,240
am a five to nine white guy. I'm not super athletic,

773
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,200
but I can shoot. Man, I can shoot the hell

774
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,359
out of the ball. You know, I'm a five nine.

775
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,119
I'm a five nine white guy. So if you need

776
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,400
someone to knock down some jumpers, I can definitely do that.

777
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,759
You can ask people who played. I took people by

778
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,599
surprise at the k State Rack back in the day

779
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,079
because they would take one look at me and think

780
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,559
I didn't have much. They give me space to shoot man,

781
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:35,720
I start knocking down trays.

782
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,519
Speaker 3: I always say, if hand down, man down, light the

783
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,480
ass up. That's what my dad would tell me in

784
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,240
my ear. Yeah, glad, you would fit well right here

785
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,079
in Provo because three yu is a big thing.

786
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:46,759
Speaker 1: BYU shoots a lot of threes.

787
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,079
Speaker 3: So maybe what we needed to do was just have

788
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,400
you out here for a little bit, you know, play

789
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,079
and then move back because hey, people shoot threes out here.

790
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,519
Speaker 1: Man, they all shoot threes. I can tell you that everybody.

791
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,480
No one likes to drive. That's all we do.

792
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,319
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm with it because yeah I can't drive, but

793
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,079
I will knock some threes down for you. I got you.

794
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,799
Speaker 1: Knock some threes down.

795
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,519
Speaker 3: Speaking of threes, can't let's start with this Kansas State

796
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,839
looking to avoid that number three third loss this weekend

797
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,599
in conference play taking on the Red Raiders Texas Tech.

798
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,599
Your early thoughts on this matchup, k State, You know

799
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,440
they've knocked the Baron Morgan, the starting quarterback out of

800
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,960
this game before. This is a tough matchup. I think

801
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,240
more for the Ray Raiders than Kansas State in my opinion.

802
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,279
Speaker 7: It's to me, I'm kind of two minds of this.

803
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,839
I think like Situationally, it has all the makings of

804
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,359
a team that should be on upset alert in Texas

805
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,839
Tech because one, you've alluded to it already, You've got

806
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,440
a huge game next week that they're looking ahead to.

807
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,680
Potentially the possibility would be out there right that that

808
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,359
could happen, and you know, Reece Davis is already like

809
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,519
teasing maybe college game Day being in Lubbock for that game.

810
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,799
Like it's I mean, there's every reason for Texas Tech

811
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,960
to be like Man next week. That's the one. Case

812
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
State's four and four. But case State, if you've been

813
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,759
watching and paying attention, they're kind of to me, they're

814
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,239
very similar to twenty twenty four Kansas where terrible start,

815
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,639
really disappointing, but now midway through the year they've found

816
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,719
themselves and they are playing like a team that's much

817
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,480
better than a four and fourteam. You throw in the

818
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:21,559
fact that it's going to be a juice home atmosphere.

819
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,719
I can tell you the crowd is going to be

820
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,400
by far the best that it's been this year at

821
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,000
Bill Seyder Family Stadium, because nobody's had a game like

822
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,480
this to get foured up about the entire year. They

823
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,840
lost on August twenty third in Ireland and came back,

824
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,920
and by the time they were back, they were playing

825
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,639
North Dakota and case State barely won that game. Then

826
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,599
they're losing to Army. Then it feels like the season's

827
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,920
basically over. There just has not been a home game

828
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,039
with the juice that this one is going to have.

829
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,400
So I think everybody's feeling like it's kind of a

830
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,360
second lease on life in the season where it was

831
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,599
like we thought we weren't going to get a single

832
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,079
game like this this year, so let's take advantage of this.

833
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,559
So it's going to be rocking. And then you throw

834
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,920
on top of that that Texas Tech just has not

835
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,119
been able to beat k State at all recently. So

836
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,159
Texas Tech has lost eight straight and twelve of the

837
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:11,760
last thirteen against k State. The only respite in there

838
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,280
was Patrick Mahomes beating KSE State in twenty fifteen. But

839
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:18,320
Tech the last time they won in Manhattan that game

840
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,400
was Mike Leach versus Ron Prince in two thousand and eight,

841
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,639
if that helps date it for you. So this has

842
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:28,400
not been a good matchup for Texas Tech. Long way

843
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,800
to say that, Now, the other part of me that

844
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,719
looks at it and says, none of that's going to

845
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,639
help you block Romelo Height and David Bailey off the edge.

846
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,239
None of that matters. And k State's offensive line has

847
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,760
not been a team strength this year at all. I

848
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,639
think they've gotten better, but it's not as strong an

849
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:45,280
offensive line as what Case State has had. And I

850
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,239
think that's what you worry about is the game wrecking

851
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,199
ability of Texas Tech's defense. Tech has been about as

852
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,599
good against the run as almost anybody in the country, too,

853
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,039
and Case State's running game has been very pedestrian without

854
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,199
Dylan Edwards, who frankly, I think is probably not going

855
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,400
to play the rest of the year, and so you've

856
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,039
got a really average running back room. Outside of that.

857
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:06,639
Case State may be kind of one dimensional, but they've

858
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,800
been winning while being one dimensional. That's what they have.

859
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,599
They have a downfield passing game and it's really good

860
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:14,679
for all the crap Avery Johnson has taken in his

861
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,679
career for you know, rival fans calling him glorified running back,

862
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,280
turned into a guy that his biggest weapon is throwing

863
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,960
the ball down the field. He's been great at it

864
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,639
and really killed Kansas with his arm last week. So

865
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:27,599
that's kind of how it sets up. I feel like,

866
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,000
you know, the actual matchup I don't feel great about,

867
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,280
but situational stuff I feel really good about. So what

868
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,639
does that mean in the end? I think case State

869
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,719
has a real shot, but I would still be surprised

870
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,400
if it happened.

871
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,039
Speaker 1: John how do you assess Kansas State as a whole?

872
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: Because I feel like the last two years, Kansas State

873
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,599
was supposed to be the blue blood. When Texas and

874
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,199
Oklahoma left, K State was supposed to be one.

875
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:54,559
Speaker 1: Of the teams that ran the conference.

876
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: And Avery Johnson everyone was talking about him and that

877
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,599
I think it was Texas TEK when he had those

878
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,320
five rushing touchdowns his fresh year. I feel like we

879
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,159
keep waiting for k State to arrive and be the

880
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,880
big dog in the conference, and clearly Avery Johnson's good enough.

881
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,880
You play a game like last week where they just

882
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,559
kind of dominate Kansas How do you kind of assess

883
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,360
and break down why K State is not the blue

884
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,679
blood the big dog of the Big twelve yet?

885
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 7: Man, you sound like K State Twitter. I'll be I'll

886
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,159
be honest, though, I mean, look, hey, I get the point.

887
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,760
Like I think K State fans thought they were headed

888
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,679
for that after twenty twenty two when they won the

889
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,000
Big Twelve title, brought Will Howard and a bunch of

890
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,159
talent back in that twenty twenty three season, and twenty

891
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,079
three and twenty four they were close, you know, I

892
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:42,840
mean they were close to getting back there and doing

893
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,239
it again. Twenty three, you know, they had a game

894
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,679
that'll haunt him. Will Howard probably had a touchdown in

895
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,360
overtime against Texas if he chooses the correct running lane.

896
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,199
They wind up not getting it on fourth and goal

897
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,280
a couple of plays later, lose that game. That was

898
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,159
really the difference in them making it to the Big

899
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,360
Twelve championship game or not. And then last year they

900
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,280
start seven to one and they're at Houston, a game

901
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,679
that they should win, and they're up double digits and

902
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,239
all of a sudden, a bad interception really turned the

903
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,000
tide in that game in the second half, and things,

904
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,320
you know, the wheels kind of fell off, and you

905
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,960
could point and say, hey, well a lot of that's

906
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:19,760
the youth of Averray Johnson last year. But then this year,

907
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,159
I mean, it just feels like this year has been

908
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,360
kind of ill fated from the beginning. I don't think

909
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,400
you know, if they would have not done the Ireland thing,

910
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,079
they'd be playing Iowa State probably right about now in

911
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,679
the schedule, which they've lost three straight, and that looks

912
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,119
like a game that I mean, Case State looks like

913
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:36,840
the better team right now, so that could certainly help

914
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,199
your record and the Arizona Army games. Had they just

915
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,280
played with efforts, you know, I mean, they just were

916
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,519
playing like they didn't care at the beginning of the season.

917
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,840
That's a hard one to explain. I don't know exactly

918
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,559
what happened there, but I think it's pretty easy. The

919
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,400
four losses are by a combined thirteen points, I believe,

920
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,639
so it's really easy to go back and reverse engineer

921
00:38:56,639 --> 00:39:00,159
how this season could have been much different. But I mean,

922
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:01,880
I think you kind of hit on where the fan

923
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,519
frustration's at with Chris Climban, where it's like he's he

924
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,960
had the one breakthrough year with a big twelve championship.

925
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,679
Other than that, you know, the joke around the fan

926
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,360
base is kind of like eight and four, you know,

927
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,320
and in fact, like some people have been saying, hey,

928
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,239
you know, they're going for the reverse climbing this year

929
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:17,239
to just went out and be eight and four by

930
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,239
the end of the year. That would be really showcasing

931
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,760
how inevitable the eight and four is with Climbing. But

932
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,360
that's case Dave fans frustration is can you get over

933
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,800
that hump? And I think some of the criticism about

934
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,920
it would be he's maybe not ruthless enough to do that.

935
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,559
He's stuck with the same staff for a while. There

936
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,719
probably has not been enough turnover on that staff. A

937
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,639
lot of internal hires when somebody does leave, and a

938
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:43,800
lot of people would tell you, hey, the difference in

939
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,199
the Big twelve championship year was that Colin clemb became

940
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,639
the offensive coordinator, and credit Chris Climb for making that move.

941
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,960
He did fire one of his longtime friends, Forty Messing

942
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,119
him as the OC, and then hired Colin Climb, But

943
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:57,239
Colin was already there within the program. That was kind

944
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,760
of a gimmea and we're seeing what he's doing a

945
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,519
t to SA and M with that offense right now.

946
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:03,239
And Colin, I mean, I can almost guarantee you he's

947
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,960
going to get a power for head coaching job this offseason.

948
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,519
So he was a star that was right in your lap.

949
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:09,960
And I think people look at it and say, well,

950
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,039
was that the only reason that you have the twenty

951
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,360
twenty two breakthrough year and everything else, You're just gonna

952
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,480
be kind of this this decent but not great program.

953
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:19,800
So I think that's some of the conundrum that you

954
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,800
have there. Cents Climent's are really good, dude. I genuinely

955
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,119
think he's a really good human being, and I kind

956
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:29,239
of think to be a great head head coach in

957
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,000
college football a lot of times you may need more

958
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,519
edge to you than that. I know, Colonie Sataki's another

959
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:35,920
example of that guy that I think is just a

960
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,519
great human being, and he's clearly been really successful with that.

961
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,800
But I don't know if if Climban is cut froat enough,

962
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,960
you know. I mean, he said this postgame press conference

963
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,760
after Kansas driver drove some fans nuts. He said he

964
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,719
was talking about how tidy is with Lance Lightpold, and

965
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,119
he said, Hey, if I wasn't the head coach in

966
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,599
Case State, I might root for Lance to win this

967
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:56,320
game because I know how bad he wants to win it.

968
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,079
The same days did not like that, but I mean,

969
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,679
that's that's kind of how he is. So I think

970
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,960
that may be a piece of what's going on here.

971
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:05,199
Speaker 2: I mean that sounds a lot like what Colonie Stocky

972
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:06,760
had to say about Kyle Whittingham, and I think a

973
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,880
lot of fans felt the same.

974
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,079
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's just a Case State Kansas problem.

975
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: I have done some research though, John and I have

976
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,719
discovered I can pinpoint you the exact problem with KSE State.

977
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: It was taking the game. It was taking the game

978
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,639
in Ireland. That's what it was.

979
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,159
Speaker 2: Because after Florida State played, they went to in ten

980
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,079
and after Nebraska played there, they went four and a.

981
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,960
I truly think, however much money Brett Yormark is offering

982
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,760
schools to go over and play in Ireland, just say no,

983
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,599
it's not worth it, because it seems like the teams.

984
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: Who go over and play in Ireland, man, they just

985
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,159
get cursed.

986
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 7: It's definitely seemingly a thing. Now you know, it's we're

987
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,960
getting enough data here where it seems to be. And

988
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,239
KSE State fans, I mean, look, the fan base was

989
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,519
not real happy about that. Case State was the team

990
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:53,000
that gave up a home game. So you know, Iowa

991
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,639
status turned into debatably the bigger rival of the two

992
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,440
between Kansas, just because it's been you know, much more

993
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,400
competitiveies than what's happened with Kansas and the home schedule

994
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,639
this year. Now there's only six home games. You took

995
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,800
away the most marquee game on the schedule. You keep

996
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,320
losing that. You know, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri, Nebraska, all

997
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,440
these teams that like meant something on the schedule over

998
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,159
the years that have gone away. So fans are just like,

999
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:16,840
what now you're going to take this one away from us?

1000
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,760
And I think the idea was that they were going

1001
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000
to get like two million dollars out of it, which,

1002
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,239
like I understand the athletic departments need all the money

1003
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,559
that they can get, but you know, it's really worth

1004
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:27,559
it in the end, and especially like I mentioned, now

1005
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,119
that you see how the Iowa State season has broken,

1006
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,239
you would feel much better about playing that game right

1007
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,400
now than you would have in Week zero where it

1008
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,239
was actually at. So I think it could not have

1009
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,440
possibly worked out worse to be honest for Case State

1010
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,159
there and Climban has himself to blame Jean Taylor, Case

1011
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:46,039
State's athletic director, assuming that they're not lying about the

1012
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,599
story how this happened. They got approached about it, and

1013
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:51,760
Jane figured Climbing would never say yes to do that,

1014
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,639
but Climban decided to do it after talking to some

1015
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:56,679
people and thinking it would be a great opportunity for

1016
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,599
the kids, and YadA YadA. So is Climbing that pulled

1017
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,719
the trigger doing it. So there you go. I guess

1018
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,400
back to my previous statement, maybe the fans would tell

1019
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000
you he should have been more cutthroat in not doing that.

1020
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: It's an interesting take. You bring up Iowa State.

1021
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:15,119
Speaker 2: I want to go there because there's still people who say, oh, well,

1022
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,880
Byu hasn't played anybody. And while I do think b

1023
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,920
why you didn't necessarily get Iowa State's best shot because

1024
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,280
I think they're one of the better big teams in

1025
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,599
the Big twelve. What was your takeaway from that game?

1026
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:30,719
And are you still of the opinion BOU hasn't played anybody?

1027
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,199
Or do you think that they have earned a spot

1028
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,920
as a top ten team in college football?

1029
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,079
Speaker 7: No, they've earned it. I mean, look, I've been looking

1030
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:40,760
this week. A lot of the power pools still really

1031
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,119
like Utah. Like I think Utah is still a really

1032
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,280
good win. And that game, you know, I mean you

1033
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,280
saw kind of has an excuse me, touchdown there at

1034
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,320
the end of the game. There's one play the ball

1035
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,960
that Chase Roberts in the end zone. It was close

1036
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,639
to being like a seventeen point game, and maybe people

1037
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,760
would feel a little bit differently about that too, had

1038
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,239
that actually happened. But like Josh Paate, I know, his

1039
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,599
power pool had Utah in the top twenty this week.

1040
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,960
Tom Fernelli from CDs Sports at his I mean BYU

1041
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,480
fans won't like this, but has actually had Utah in

1042
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:12,960
he ranks the top twelve. He had Utah in the

1043
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,920
top twelve and BYU not there because the power rankings

1044
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,079
like Utah that much. So first of all, I would

1045
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,760
hold that win up and winning your names, I mean

1046
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,880
and winning by two scores like yeah, I mean, I'm

1047
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,639
gonna say b YU has earned it by doing that.

1048
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:31,920
That was Iowa State well rested, right coming off of

1049
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,039
buy in front of their home crowd. You talk about

1050
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,719
situational stuff. That is a spot where, like situationally, everything

1051
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:41,280
is pointing toward Iowa State winning that game, which is

1052
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,159
why they were a Vegas favorite, right and buy you

1053
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,000
just they have like an it factor to him, man,

1054
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,920
they have an it factor that is able to go

1055
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,280
win games like that and pull pull games out of

1056
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,639
the fire. I think is really the bigger point about that,

1057
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,159
being able to pull a game out of the fire

1058
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,559
where it looks like you're you're down and out, you're

1059
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,079
in a lot of trouble. In that first half, it

1060
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:03,159
looked like BYU was in a ton of trouble, especially

1061
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:07,639
while knowing what they were up against from a situational standpoint.

1062
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,119
So no, I don't, I don't lend a lot of

1063
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:11,800
credence towards that. The other thing I would just say

1064
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,679
is like, can we give BYU some credit for having

1065
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:16,599
done this for a second straight year? Like, I mean,

1066
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:19,920
they should have some good will built up as far

1067
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,159
as just trusting them as a program now, being that

1068
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,360
they did it last year and then people doubted after

1069
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,000
they lost the Kansas game, and it's like, hey, they

1070
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,119
finish off in the Bowl game and spank Colorado and

1071
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,599
win eleven games, and now here they are at eight

1072
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:33,840
to o again, Like at some point you gotta just

1073
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,079
trust that, like, hey, this this program just win wins games. Man,

1074
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,199
That's that's what they're doing right now. So no, I don't.

1075
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,079
I don't subscribe to much of a theory that they

1076
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,639
that they haven't played anybody.

1077
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, you mentioned just some some of the rankings out there.

1078
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,559
You got Josh Payton and all that, so I wanted

1079
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,719
to go here. We've got the College Football Playoff, the

1080
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,599
first ranking coming out next Tuesday. Do you think that

1081
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:01,679
they respect by Where do you think they put BYU?

1082
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,880
And where do they put most of the big twelve

1083
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:04,440
do you think?

1084
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,519
Speaker 7: I mean fault is to never give them much benefit

1085
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:13,159
of the doubt in terms of what they're gonna do

1086
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,960
for the for the league. You just always assume the worst,

1087
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,000
hope for the best, assume the worst. So you know,

1088
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:23,800
let's go look at the I've got this up right.

1089
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,159
I was gonna say they just peak at the A

1090
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,199
people because I do think that the College Football Playoffs

1091
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,719
election Committee is generally not going to deviate a ton

1092
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,400
from the A people. So I would guess that BYU

1093
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:37,199
is going to be in the top twelve. But I mean,

1094
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,679
it wouldn't shock me if they're eleven or twelve. It

1095
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,400
wouldn't shock me if Notre Dame, for instance, winds up

1096
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,199
in front of them. As crazy as that is. With

1097
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,239
their two losses, Can they crack the top ten?

1098
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: Can it be like a number nine, because I got floor,

1099
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,800
I got ceiling six, floor thirteen.

1100
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: That's how I have it. Could you see them anywhere

1101
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,400
between the seven and nine range.

1102
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,199
Speaker 7: I think that's a pretty good uh. And that's a

1103
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:02,639
pretty good ceiling and floor, although I don't know. I

1104
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:04,679
just wouldn't put the ceiling that high. Again, not based

1105
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:06,679
on Merritt, but based on what I would think that

1106
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,360
they will do. No, I would bet that they'll be ten,

1107
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,559
eleven or twelve. I would bet strongly, unfortunately, And I mean, look,

1108
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:16,519
I would love to be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong,

1109
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,920
and I don't think that Texas Tech. Well, I guess,

1110
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,800
you know, we'll see what happens this weekend. If we

1111
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,199
assume that Texas Tech wins, I don't think that Texas

1112
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,079
Tech's going to be in the top twelve, you know,

1113
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:28,800
if we're talking about like the rest of the league.

1114
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,760
So and then at the back end, it's just kind

1115
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,960
of a it's kind of a crapshoot when you get

1116
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,880
to the back end, like Cincinnati. If they win this weekend,

1117
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,039
I mean, they should definitely be like in the top fifteen,

1118
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:41,480
but they're not going to be in the top twelve.

1119
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,039
I think even if they win that game on the

1120
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,199
road at Utah, and then it's like, you know, Houston

1121
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,840
will hopefully be ranked, but that is the type of

1122
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,519
team that I could see them leaving out because look,

1123
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:53,639
if there is one team that you want to if

1124
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:55,760
you want to criticize the schedule of a Big Twelve team,

1125
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,760
it is Houston. I mean, you go look at Houston's played,

1126
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,119
who they have played. I don't spend a lot of

1127
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,000
time talking about that because it's such a cool story

1128
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,320
and like Willie Fritz is just doing what he always does,

1129
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,639
which is when and you can only play whose out

1130
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:08,840
there in front of you. But if you do really

1131
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,320
want to attack a strength to schedule into Big Twelve,

1132
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,440
it is Houston. So it would be harder for me

1133
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:16,519
to whine and complain about that. But up toward the top, no,

1134
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,760
I'm not expecting great news for the Big Twelve, to

1135
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,480
be quite honest.

1136
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're not wrong in that.

1137
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,599
Speaker 3: I think that's honest if for a take, well what

1138
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:27,719
the committee has done, so wouldn't be surprised by that.

1139
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,320
And that leads to this question of will the Big

1140
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,559
Twelve get two teams in the College Football Playoff?

1141
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 7: I think it's pretty unlikely, although I will say that

1142
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:43,719
Andy Staples, who does a bracketology every week for on three,

1143
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,960
he at least had three Big twelve teams on the graphic.

1144
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:49,400
Now only one was in, and then I think it

1145
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:53,599
was so BYU was in, and then it was Cincinnati

1146
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,360
and Texas Tech both in, like the first four out.

1147
00:48:58,119 --> 00:48:59,599
I think there was one team in front of them

1148
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:02,239
on that list. So that at least gave me a

1149
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,679
little more like optimism, like, hey, at least right now

1150
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,480
you know they're getting respect like they're because I felt

1151
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,199
like at this time last year is when the conversation

1152
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,360
started slanting toward will wait is the Big twelve even

1153
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,880
going to get anybody in? Like maybe we'll have two

1154
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,360
G five champs here, you know, depending on what happens

1155
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,079
with Tulane An Army. And so I'm happy at least

1156
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,480
that the conversation seems to be starting there where you've

1157
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,280
got a shot. But you know, part of the problem

1158
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,000
is just that again with this league, everybody is so

1159
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,639
bunched up, they're so similar, and teams are going to

1160
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:36,920
be playing here down the stretch. I I just fear

1161
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,119
that it works out in a way that's that's really

1162
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,159
advantageous for the league. And I think that the second

1163
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:45,559
BYU loses a game, if that happens, I think the

1164
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,119
second the Texas Tech loses a second game, if that happens, Cincinnati,

1165
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,280
I just always feel like they're waiting to drop them

1166
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,039
like a rock. I mean, we saw Texas Tech drop

1167
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,679
seven spots for losing by four on the road at

1168
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,599
Arizona State with a backup quarterback, you know, I mean

1169
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:03,559
it just that's that's the way it goes. So I

1170
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:07,079
would say, no, the odds are definitely likely that that

1171
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,960
will not happen. But once again, hope I'm wrong, and

1172
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,079
I'm not saying that that's that that's right or justified it.

1173
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,039
Speaker 3: Anyway, The odds are not in forever, not in your

1174
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:19,480
favorite hashtag hunger games. A little tongue in cheeker right there, John,

1175
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,559
I wish we had more time. I'll finish with this

1176
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:24,280
question because I do want to get your thoughts on

1177
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,320
this expanding a coege football playoff to twenty four teams?

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Speaker 1: Yes or no? Why or why not?

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Speaker 7: So to me, it is kind of conditional here because

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I mean I don't on principle, no, I do not

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like extending the playoff. I like a completely meaningful regular season.

1182
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I say this, and it makes people mad sometimes, but

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if we could go back to even just the BCS

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where you pick two teams and the regular season has

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so much meaning, where you know, I mean you just

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slip up once, that might be it. I think that's

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like one of the things that make college football really

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really unique, and I just feel like we move, you know,

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we're moving further and further from that now. A lot

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of that too, is that, you know, we're getting rid

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of all these rivalry games with realignment, and there are

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a number of things that have contributed to moving away

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from just why college football was so unique, but that

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I just think that era. You know, I'm nostalgic for

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that era where dude, you had to be totally locked

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in and dialed in every single regular season game. Okay,

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so there's that perspective on it. But if the twenty

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fourteen playoff means that we're getting what the Big ten is,

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I'm trying to remember Russ Ellen's term like verbalizing. Right now,

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they're kicking around the idea behind the scenes of a

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playoff that would include three or four auto bids for

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every single power for conference and everybody would have the

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same amount. So, for instance, that could mean you'd have

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like a twenty fourteen playoff where the Big twelve gets

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four autobids, same number of autobids as the SEC, Big

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Ten and ACC. And if that is the case, then,

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just from a purely know survival standpoint for the Big twelve,

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can I be sitting Hey, I'd rather not work out

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where the Big twelve gets equal playoff access and they

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get four teams every year in there. It's hard for

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me to go against that just from a you know

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what's good for a Big twelve business standpoint. So if

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you're gonna tell me it's twenty four teams and it

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winds up being one of those formats which long way

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to go on that and they would have to convince

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the SEC. And you know, I understand that, and I

1217
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get that people kind of recoil when they hear that

1218
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and think, oh, that's ridiculous. It would never happen. Maybe not,

1219
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,280
but it's at least being out there reported right now

1220
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by Ross Dellinger that the Big Ten is kind of

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acquiescing to that. I would have a hard time saying

1222
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no to that, especially since we're already as much as

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I pined for the day, as we could go back to, hey,

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just two teams play for the tyler or whatever, like

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00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:50,519
the toothpastes out of the tube on that, like we're

1226
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just barreling toward adding more and more teams. They're trying

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to do it to the basketball tournament too, right, So

1228
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all of it does seem to have just an air

1229
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of an inevitability to it. So with that, you know,

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I'm kind of reluctantly like, all right, if you're gonna

1231
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give us four bids, let's go. Let's go to the

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twenty fourteen thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you as well on principal. No, I wouldn't

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mind sixteen teams. But if you're gonna go twenty four

1235
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you're right. The tube is already out of the two

1236
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pace and we're already rolling at snowball into that no doubt.

1237
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You just mentioned business, though, what's the best way we

1238
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:21,559
can support you and our listeners?

1239
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:23,039
Speaker 1: What you do John, and how you do it?

1240
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I appreciate that ron So Open for Business is

1241
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now the dame of my YouTube show. If you just

1242
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,119
search Open for Business or John Kurtz on YouTube, you'll

1243
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:34,960
find that there. I do a couple of live streams

1244
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,679
a week college football from a Big twelve perspective. And

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00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,760
then I've got the Open for Business Big twelve Newsletter

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1251
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is that you find your podcasts.

1253
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: He's on the podcast network sketch him at OFB Newsletter. Guys,

1254
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,199
you gotta get Open for the newsletter. I enjoy reading it.

1255
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:10,920
He has discussed a lot of things, not only on

1256
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,400
that own spaces on Twitter. Does the Big twelve have

1257
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,599
a branding issue? John does really good work. I really

1258
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:18,440
like listening and you gotta support him to trust me.

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00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,920
Listen to the Open for Business YouTube channel. Don't miss

1260
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,000
an opportunity for him to give you all things related

1261
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:26,639
to Kansas State and Big twelve. The Big twelve insider

1262
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,039
John Kurts himself. John, thanks for your time today. We

1263
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:29,960
will catch up with you soon.

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Speaker 1: Brother.

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Speaker 7: Hey, I appreciate it. Ro on Take Care, Guys.

1266
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,039
Speaker 1: That was John kurts Man. Guys.

1267
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:36,679
Speaker 3: I wish we had more time to recap that, but

1268
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,199
we got it in the show. John is always great.

1269
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,840
I love having him on. He's people download his interview

1270
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,039
a lot. He's up there, so people really like listen

1271
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:49,119
from him. He's definitely super educated, super in tune, knows

1272
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,000
exactly what he's talking about. And well, Kansas State upset

1273
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,599
Texas Tech this weekend. I don't know if I like

1274
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that because I don't think the Red Raiders will drop

1275
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too straight.

1276
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Speaker 1: But you never know. That is the hard part.

1277
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Speaker 2: It's like if they lose, then there's no way they

1278
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:07,480
lose against you know, almost why I'm a little bit overconfident.

1279
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Speaker 6: I think they're gonna handle Kansas State.

1280
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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know. I don't know.

1281
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Speaker 6: Twelve every game, I get it, but Case State looked

1282
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:23,360
good last but Kansas has an awful defensee Texas Tech

1283
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,960
does not have that bad of a defense.

1284
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Speaker 1: No, they don't.

1285
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,519
Speaker 2: It's depends is also a four and fourteen, so it's

1286
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not as though they're just running through everybody.

1287
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just Kansas State is prone to give up points.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Texas questions along the defensive line.

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Speaker 6: I think Texas Tech wins by ten plus.

1291
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Speaker 3: Ten plus, so you got a thirteen plus victory or

1292
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at least ten, at least at least ten. You wouldn't

1293
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be surprised if they beat him by fourteen.

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Speaker 6: I think Kansas State could make it a game for

1295
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about a half.

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Speaker 1: So first, I.

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Speaker 6: Think that Texas Tech has a superior coaching staff, and

1298
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I think they're better in almost every position on the field.

1299
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Speaker 3: Oh, they definitely are, Joey McGrath. I think the only

1300
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position I would maybe argue give you a pushback of not.

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00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,679
I think Avery Johnson's a very good quest well, Avery Johnson.

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I think put Avery Johnson in Texas Tech System, I

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think they can do the same thing.

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00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 6: But is Avery Johnson better than Baron Morton? I think

1305
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,880
you can make that argument that you degree that. I

1306
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,559
think you can. I think you have an argument there.

1307
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm not saying he's definitively better, saying

1308
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:21,559
you have an argument.

1309
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Speaker 1: Avery Johnson's nice.

1310
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 3: Like I think if you put Avery Johnson in Texas

1311
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,360
Tech System, I think.

1312
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: He let me ask you this, if bo doesn't have

1313
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,599
a quarterback, they're both in the transfer portal, who do

1314
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:34,159
you want Baron Morton? Avery Johnson? Because to me, I

1315
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:35,360
think the answer of the guy who I.

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00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: Want Avery A. Johnson? I think Avery Johnson the run.

1317
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:43,119
Speaker 6: Avery Johnson then, but I don't I think Baron Morton's underrated.

1318
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: I really do know.

1319
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and we're not even talking about like

1320
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:55,199
Avery Johnson at least three times a season.

1321
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 6: But I think I think that Texas Tech also has

1322
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,800
one of the most underrated running backs.

1323
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Speaker 1: I agree like bro Cameron Dicky can play good. He's good.

1324
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Speaker 3: Brodercent behind no jimark I. So we'll find out on Saturday.

1325
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,360
Everybody will be tuned into the game. We all will

1326
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,280
be a little by week action. You'll be paying attention.

1327
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Speaker 1: Guys. That's our show.

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00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,679
Speaker 3: Sticking to a shout out to everybody that joined us,

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of sound bites as well of the game day committee.

1337
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Speaker 1: How do they pick selections around?

1338
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Speaker 3: Now?

1339
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: We finished them? Aaron rodderks.

1340
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,519
Speaker 3: So we discussed b yu big to a basketball the

1341
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:50,639
preseason poll. Did they get it right? Did they not

1342
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:51,039
get it right?

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Speaker 1: Again?

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From all of us here at ESPN the Fan, we're

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signing off for a Thursday edition October thirtith edition. We'll

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