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Speaker 1: AP, you're coming up. You're right behind it too. We
got action.
Speaker 3: Jackson Jackson Payne JP brother, that's crazy to say you're
gonna have four BYU grads right now on this show talking.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I use a powerhouse academic unit right like
they pump people out and uh, we.
Speaker 5: Got to enter to learn and go forth to serve.
So now we're serving the world some hot takes on
the radio right absolutely.
Speaker 1: I know what I thought about that when I was flinning,
I was like, wait, I didn't plant. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about planets like Andrew kind of
graduate apro It's like bread and myself Jackson have already graduate.
Speaker 1: Said wait. I was like, I was like, we got
a team.
Speaker 3: We just need to, you know, get Carter in Chase
and get Chases our big man, and we're good.
Speaker 1: We can go. We got a little six man rotation
right there. We can go go hoop it out.
Speaker 5: Hey, we already got the MVP of Media Madness and
Ronald the three man Weavers. So we're all right, we're
gonna be We're a unit right here. We got that
six man rotation. We're looking good.
Speaker 1: Look, I've changed my ways.
Speaker 3: I bark at people a little bit more now, So
as long as I don't try to injure people like
Pat Beav shout out to the honorary jazz member for
like two hours, I guess or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Look, I'll be the enforcer.
Speaker 3: I don't mind getting in faces, you know, being the
loud mouth and netwgard and let Chase you know, dominate
and be the MVP.
Speaker 1: That hype man.
Speaker 3: You can't teach that grateful he didn't compete because he'd
have swatted me every.
Speaker 1: Single play Brochase like six four six five up there. Man,
he's a tall kid. Love that kid. Miss him too, JP.
Let's get right into it.
Speaker 3: Eight no first time that be well, I think fifth
or sixth time in program history Balie was gone eight
to no. First time that they go on back to
back under Klanie Sataki. What does this say about the
you know, the love and learn culture, because I believe
right now it's at all time high.
Speaker 4: Well, I think what it says about it is that
it's working right Like you you hear about all these
different job openings and people throwing Kilanie's name out there
for places like UCLA and uh probably LSU.
Speaker 5: He'll be on the list just of what media puts
out there.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like, that's never gonna
that's never gonna work at other schools. I mean, maybe
it will, but just what he has at BYU, this
is the perfect environment. This is the perfect location for
his style of coaching and his culture and the love
and learn philosophy so to flourish here.
Speaker 5: And and so it's like, you know.
Speaker 4: He's Colonie's got something really really special going on right here,
and he's working with some great people.
Speaker 5: Jay Hill is doing great.
Speaker 4: Aaron Roderick to be eight to zero with a true
freshman quarterback, I mean, just take a bow. He gets
a lot of flak from fans, and you know, the
play calling isn't perfect at times, but you can't deny
his ability to develop quarterbacks and put them in the
best positions to succeed. And Kelly Pepinga the special teams
is awesome. I mean, just everything that, everything that he's
done over the past decade at BYU has built up
to a year like this, and like last year and
the twenty twenty COVID season with Zach Wilson and kind
of By's bursting on the national scene, albeit with kind
of a unique schedule, and then the next year they
go a defeated against the Pac Twelve. All these things
have built up for BYU to be in the thick
of the college football playoff discussion, to be in the
Big Twelve title chase, and it's it's exciting because it's
kind of a transition time for the Big Twelve. They
added a lot of new brands over the past few years.
It's a very parody driven conference. There's a lot of
diversity in terms of competition and teams.
Speaker 5: It's just kind of in anything can happen league.
Speaker 4: But you know, BYU's is kind of embracing its role
in the Big twelve and is stepping out as probably
one of the bigger brands, if not the biggest brand
in the Big twelve. You look at they're the only
team in the country to have top ten football and
basketball team. That's that's insane. I mean, that's we talk
about by US and everything school. BYU is the crown
jewel of the Big twelve along with Texas Tech, and
so it's been really fun to see and everything Colonie's done,
every every shortcoming, every achievement, everything that he's built has
been building up to have a program like this, and
it's really fun.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you you mentioned I just want to go back
to where you mentioned Aaron Roderick there and I just
want to put something in perspective here, Like BYU's offense
has three new offensive line starters this year, two new
wide receiver starters this year, less depth at they're running back,
a new tight end, and a new quarterback that they
got two months before the season or somewhere around there.
Can you just talk about the job that Aaron Roderick
has done with this offense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been nomenal. I mean's we've talked about.
Speaker 4: He's a great quarterback whisper. You look at all the
success that Bui's had at the quarterback position.
Speaker 5: I think the.
Speaker 4: Word of the street is that he took over play calling. Dude,
he's midway through the twenty nineteen season. So if you
just start twenty twenty and on, Zach Wilson was awesome
in twenty twenty, Baylor Romney and Jaren Hall were outstanding
in twenty one, Jaren was great in twenty two.
Speaker 5: Keenan Slovas you know, I'll.
Speaker 4: Defend that guy until the day I die, And he
had his moments of brilliance, But the big twelve open season,
like the first season the Big Twelve, there's a lot
of factors working against him and against BYU, but whatever,
ritz Lft was great last year. And then Bear Bachmeyer,
I mean, this is just what Roderick does. He understands quarterbacks.
He puts them in positions to succeed. The way that
they've been able to use Bear's legs, especially considering the
lack of running back depth. Using Bear as a weapon
on the ground, especially short yardage kind of goal line situations,
has been really effective. And then, of course, I think
one of the most impressive of probably the most impressive
thing by He's done this year, aside from getting Rocko
Beck to for three interceptions for the first time in
his career, was you know, when LJ went down at
Iowa State, BUYU was trailing, and it just looked like, Okay,
BYU's arguably best offensive players out, they're down, They're they're
playing in a really hostile road environment.
Speaker 5: Agains the team that doesn't lose at.
Speaker 4: Home, and they just started letting Bear rip it in
the passing game, and it was it was incredible. I mean,
he was just he was throwing dimes, he was finding
wide open guys like Parker Kingston. Just Bear's finally as
comfortable as he's been all year in the passing game,
and it made BYU really dangerous and really effective against
Iowa State. And I just think that, I mean that
you got it. Credit Aaron Roderick. Like I think a
lot of teams have these play scripts that they scripted
out the first fifteen plays. It feels like Roderck is
scripting out like two hundred plays for these games because
the preparation and the ability BYU has to kind of
prevail late in games. It just feels like it feels
like by the most prepared team in the country every
week when when they go out offensively, it just looks
like Aaron Roderck has a plan and he sticks to
it and it works out really well. And I've been
really impressed by roder I think he's the unsung hero
of this team because we talk about Bear, we talk
about the defense. Jay Hill is worshiped among this fan base,
and I think Jay I think Aaron roder needs to
be on that level as well, because what he's done
with Blackmeier has just been unbelievable. I mean, b Yu
is not eight and oh right now, without Aaron Roderick.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, and he takes so much slack,
like you said, but to have a true freshman quarterback
be eight to zer and not just aight to no.
When you look at the numbers, you go back to
last year, right, he had Jake Retz Laugh also eight
to o, a guy that turned the ball over a
little bit more. So that leads me to this question, JP,
who's been the better quarterback through eight games. I don't
know if you have the stats, but I think it
wasn't too far off.
Speaker 1: I think snot Jackson.
Speaker 3: Now, Jake had I think maybe four or five more interceptions,
and I think he had a lost fumble. Bear didn't
have that necessarily. If this is what the total yards
is three eight games, I'll give it to you. So
through the passing game, Jake had one and seventy two.
Bear had one, has one six hundred ninety three, eleven
touchdowns for Bear compared to Jake's eighteen seven. It tis
for Jake compared to Bachmeiers three. And then obviously you
add the rushing yards Bears four O eight. Jake had
three h three. Bear has nine rushing touchdowns three, So
Jake has seventy four more total yards and Bear one
more touchdown, but the turnover to interception ratio is way different.
Jake took more sacks, Beart's not, and Jake turned the
football over more. So who's been the better quarterback in
Europeion through the eight games.
Speaker 4: It's been Bear and it's not even close. You know,
he's not putting the ball in jeopardy, he's not taking sacks.
There's a toughness there. There's a calmness and a composure there.
I mean, retz Left was awesome in two minute drills
and when it was you know, when it was showtime, right,
but in some of those other situations and games it
got a little disy. Bear is just the composure and
the and the ability to the grace under pressure, the
ability to take care of the football. That's the best
thing that Aaron Roderick values in his quarterback is being
able to take care of the football.
Speaker 5: And Bear is doing that about as good as anybody at.
Speaker 4: BYU has under Roderick. And so yeah, it's got to
be Bear. I mean, just to do what he's done
as a true freshman. He's won four road games. He's
not getting sacked the offense feels like it's flowing better,
and I feel like Bear, you know, you could look,
I Likedretts laugh. I'm not trying to tick the guy
while he's down.
Speaker 5: Obviously he's done great at Tulane.
Speaker 4: I just felt like there you could name so many
different things he did over the first eight games last
year where it's like, all right, BYU got bailed out here,
BYU got bailed out here, Like there were times where
By was overcoming his mistakes, and I feel like Bear
hasn't really done that. You know, he's he's stepped up
when boy he's needed him too. He's he's orchestrated some
really impressive drives. The only play I can remember Bear
that was Rhett Slough esque was when I think it
was Arizona where the snap was.
Speaker 5: High and it bounced off his head and he picked
it up and he rolled out and he tried to
find Carson Ryan downfield. He tried to make stuffing.
Speaker 4: Out of nothing and he got picked off. And I
was like, Okay, we're looking at Jake Retzloff right now.
But other than that, I mean Bear the Stanford game,
he struggled a bit, but he got better as it
went on and since then, it feels like every week
it's like, Wow, Bow, he's got a guy. Bear's legit.
There's there's nothing to worry about it quarterback right now.
Whereas last year with red Slough, I mean, you never
really had that kind of security. I mean, he looked
the part at times, he made big plays, but at
the same time, you were always kind of waiting for
the other shoot to drop, and it kind of did
because Utah he wasn't very good. Obviously, he came down
the field to win Kansas, he wasn't good. The first
half of Arizona State.
Speaker 5: He wasn't good.
Speaker 4: Like as soon as November hit, it was a different
Jake Ritzloth. I mean, he was terriblely elimible. And Bear
is getting better every week and he's not putting he's
not putting the offense in danger, and so it's got
to be Bear. Jake had a very Jake was good
last year. Roderick, what he was able to do with
with Jake was really impressive. But I mean, this is
this is Roderick's Apex Mountain, what he's been able to
do with Bear, and Bear's past every test, he's he's
just I mean he's he's the centaur, right, he just
he can't be beat.
Speaker 5: It's been amazing to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, as long as we're talking Bear versus Jake, Ron's
been throwing this hypothetical out probably since Jake Transford a
five to twelve matchup in the in the playoffs where
BYU hosts a Tulane and things are you know, right now,
it seems like there's a possibility. Is there a world
to you where BYU hosts Tulane in a playoff matchup
and we get to see the Bear versus Jake?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's definitely a possibility. I think the
way for BYU b YU would have to go into
the Big twelfth title game with one loss and then
lose the Big twelfth Title game because I don't.
Speaker 5: Think they hosted. I don't think they'd be able to
host the game.
Speaker 4: If they didn't win the conference or if they won
the conference, right, I think they get a buy only
the playoff, the playoff one that's weird, but so I
think they'd have to go either into the Big twelve title.
Speaker 5: Game undefeated or with one loss. They get in that
large bid.
Speaker 4: You would think if if the rest of the country
shakes out the way it does, and then.
Speaker 5: Tu Lane has one loss, I think to Ole Miss, so.
Speaker 4: They would have to win out and they'd probably be
the G five team just because nobody else is really
seizing that. So yeah, I think it's possible. I mean,
I think the playoff committee too, would love that kind
of drama. I mean, Jake Redsloft's like a national name
in college football, even dating back to BYU, but then
the exit from BYU and being the Jewish quarterback being
at TU Lane and just what they've done, it would
just I mean, that's a great storyline. So I mean,
I'm not gonna run to Vegas and put put it down,
put money down, like, oh yeah, Retsloft's coming to BYU
with two Lane and they're gonna But I think it's
definitely possible, and that would be an awesome matchup. And
I mean, let's be real, boy, you would would be
two Lane by at least ten points. Retslof has that
that dog in him right for lack of a better term,
but I just think j Hill defense, with with that
time to prepare and knowing what they know about Redsloff,
think the cards are stacked against him at that point.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, like you think about this season.
Speaker 4: Would b yub eight and oh this year with Jake
Rretz laugh, I don't think they would. I think they'd
have at least two or three losses. I don't think
they would have won the Colorado game going down early.
The Utah game. You could make the case for Iowa State.
I don't think they come back from that Arizona.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Man, just would they be eight no with Jake retzloft
And I think the answer.
Speaker 7: To that is a resounding no.
Speaker 5: But Bear Bockmeyer is aiden though, and so I think
that gives him the edge. Right.
Speaker 1: That's a good point that you bring up. Would this
team be a to no with Jake rest laugh?
Speaker 3: That's a question that we're gonna have to pose in
the final hour here of Cougar Sports on esp and
the fans where with Jackson Paine Action Jackson of the
Desert News. Yeah, that's I didn't really think about that
to that degree. You just then the brand and I
guess the narrative in the storyline was, well, okay, you
get a fifty or six year quarterback back and he
would just lead this team to that that's not a guarantee.
Now that you bring it up of if they go
down early to the Iowa State game, is he able
to bring them back?
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you give maybe the Utah game, but you bring
up a valid point in the other games Colorado, does
he fumble the bag away? Arizona? Is he able to
get you to win in overtime if they're down ten?
I believe he would have been able to do that.
But those are good points, not a lot of things
that people maybe think about. So you gotta look at
what Bear's doing and remember that this is just year one.
He's got at least two more years before Ryder Lions
comes in. So there's a lot that you have to like.
And ay, Rod Mike maybe get poached at the end
of this year. He could potentially with what he's doing
with a true freshman quarterback. Don't think he would like
to leave, but hey, he's gonna earn this money and
I think he's gonna get a few more dollars maybe
in that pocket by the end of the season with
what he's doing.
Speaker 5: Why would Roger leave?
Speaker 4: I mean, money's obviously a big thing, but b why
he's paying their assistance. Well, he's got bear Bachmeier that's working. Well,
he's got ryder Lions in the pipeline. The Big twelve
is wide open every year. I mean, he could go
to the playoff every year.
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know if he.
Speaker 4: Wants to be a head coach because you think at
this point, like with his track record, if he wanted
to be a head coach, he probably would have been
by now.
Speaker 1: So true, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't really think Rogers's going anywhere.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: I just think the grass is too green in Provo.
Speaker 3: Grass is not always green on the other side, and
it's really green right now in Provo.
Speaker 6: Well, if we're talking about like coach leaving, I would
make the case.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of a lot of noise.
Speaker 6: Around Dion going somewhere because I don't think Deon stays
in Colorado.
Speaker 1: We often agree with that.
Speaker 6: Yet if a Colorado opened up and called Jay Hill,
I think that would be a realistic job that Jay
Hill would leave b YU for. What are your what
are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: I think you know, Jay Jay is interesting. I think
Jay is more likely to leave than than Roderick By
by a long shot. But at the same time, like,
the only time that Jay Hill has ever left the
state of Utah for football was when he played two
years at Ricks. You know, he played at Utah. Afterward,
he coached at Utah, he coached at Weaver State, stayed
at Weaver State for a long time. He's he's at BYU,
He's had his health problems. Like I just feel like, look,
he could totally leave, and I get that, but it's
kind of the same way like Bronco Mendenhall could have
left a million times before he finally took the Virginia job,
And Bronco is a different cat man Like he he
his way of thinking and his decision making process was
very unique and was not standards as to what most
coaches would think or do. And I think j Hill's
not like in the Bronco area of weirdness for lack
of a better term, But I think his decision making
process is going to be a lot different than most
and I think he's going to weigh things differently. I
just think, you know, he could have gone to Utah
State this past offseason. I think there were other jobs
and other opportunities. And at the same time, it's like
he's with Kloney who's his buddy, and Gary Anderson's at BYU,
and just the recruiting success and the ability to win
in the Big twelve, like.
Speaker 5: They're having fun. Man, I don't know if anybody's rushing
to make any big life changes.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, he could totally leave, but at the
same time, it's like why ruin a good thing?
Speaker 5: So we'll see about that. But I just think for now, like, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think Roger's going anywhere, and I think Jake could
if you wanted to. But it's a matter of what
he values and his decision making, which obviously isn't going
to match what most coaches think and do.
Speaker 3: Everyone wants to be a head coach, but sometimes you
know the situation that you're in. Things change When your
situation is the perfect situation. I know need to be
take perfect with the grand of salt, but it's really
hard to look at Aerontic and j Hill's situation and say, hey,
we really don't have a great situation. You have a
better situation than a lot of coaches, even the counter
parts up north at Utah, than a lot of other
coaches here. Jackson Pain of the Desert News on the
line JPU. We had talked about college football playoff format.
We'll end on this and get you out of here.
On this note, Joe Klatt talked about extending to a
twenty fourteen playoff format. You get the top four seeds
of the ACC, Big ten, SEC, and Big twelve in first.
Speaker 1: Are you in favor? You know of it expanding?
Speaker 3: I guess the sixteen teams as number one and then
number two if they do expand to this twenty fourteen playoff?
Speaker 1: Is that too much? I feel like that's a lot
of teams.
Speaker 4: Twenty four is too many teams. Sixteen is perfect. I
don't like the buys. The twelve is great because it's
more than four, but sixteen is where it's at. I
feel like sixteen you can get like sixteen. I don't
like buys. I think everybody should have to play. I
think if you have sixteen seed Boise State in one
seed Ohio State, I think they have to play each other.
Speaker 5: That would be really fun.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, that way you have more like home
site games with the sixteen team playoff too, and with
no buys. So I'm all about the sixteen team playoff.
It'd be cool if every conference got at least two teams,
so you have two like I guess, if you go
to the conference title game, you get an automatic playoff bid,
which would be cool, but then might take away some
of the conference title game. It takes away some of
that intrigue.
Speaker 5: But maybe I mean, just thinking out loud here, you have.
Speaker 4: A powerful or so eight teams at least are coming
from that power for then you get at least two
G five teams. That gets you to ten, and then
you can have six at large teams and that's where
you know, that's where things get interesting with the selection process.
So yeah, I'm all about a sixteen teed playoff. I
alsought from day one. Sixteen was the sweet spot, and
twelve is better than four, like I said, but it's
not as good as sixteen, And so I would love
a sixteen teed payoff, but I think twenty four is
overdoing it. It's like it's like expanding the NCAA tournament
field in basketball. It's like just there's there's something about
sixty four or sixty eight teams that's just so special
and so fun, and let's not water it down. Let's
make let's make the playoff a real achievement, let's make
let's make sure that there's not We're not just handing
out participation trophies, right, Let's let's make sure that everyone's
earning it and that's still a real badge of honor
to wear, but also make it to where it's intriguing
and fun and gives teams the best chance to make
the most of it. So I'm all about sixteen, not
about six not about twenty four.
Speaker 3: I'm all about opportunity as well. But I do think
if you get participate basing trophies, that's how it is.
My dad and saw that in me from jump. He
would always get mad at me because I didn't want
to take the trophy. Michael, did I win first place?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: Well was I in the championship game?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Then I don't want a trophy like That's how I did.
Speaker 3: So I think that's a good philosophy to go by
you bring up, because twenty four could be way too oversaturate.
I think sixteen's perfect, and I took build off of
your point of what you said to go with you.
I think the conference game can still be beauty as
a good thing. If you win, you get a higher seed.
But if you lose, then you might have to go
on the road. So then maybe if hosting that first
round game, you might have to go on the road.
And I think every team, if you were to ask them,
would rather host a college football playoff game that have
to go on the road to start that off in
a tough environment with a different matchup, different conference like
by You would rather host a two lane Illinois or
a USC or a Washington whoever, I'm just naming other
conferences thinking out loud, like yourself, rather than going the
road to an ole miss or an organ I think
all schools could agree they rather have home field advantage
than hit the road, for sure, no doubt. So I
love that you brought up that point, JP before we
let you go. What's the best way we our listeners
can support you what you do and how you do it?
Speaker 1: Brother?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you can follow me on Twitter at Jackson
five pain like Jackson five the band, you know. But uh,
and then you could go at deserret dot com find
all my stuff and me and Jay Drew and everybody
else who covers BYU are writing on the air, and yeah,
I mean just social media and clicks online. That's the
best way and love love talking to fans, and love
talking to to Cougar believers. It's it's a great time
to talk ball. So yeah, hit me up and then
read my stuff.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Gotta read his stuff.
Speaker 3: Number five Jackson, he's got the number five, just like
his quarterback with the Commanders. He give me a plug
number five as well. Mister Jaden Daniels did that right
through on the spot. Give you a love plug right there, neim.
I got to get healthy really like the way he
plays ball. Need him to get healthy though, no doubt.
But JP, we appreciate your time today.
Speaker 1: Brother. We'll catch up with you in the next few weeks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks guys, good commanders.
Speaker 1: Hey go commanders.
Speaker 3: As he said, a p A wanted to just recap
a few things before we go to break.
Speaker 1: I know we don't how much time.
Speaker 3: But we discussed it a little bit, you know, Jake,
you know Bear Tulane by you.
Speaker 1: Just your thoughts on the entire matter earlier in that segment.
Speaker 6: I think it's not I don't know if it's a
fair comparison for me, and I've heard this a lot
of the Jake wouldn't be eight to no this year because.
Speaker 1: If joh take right there, Jake wouldn't be a no.
Speaker 6: And Jackson's not the only one to say I heard
a lot actually okay, because they don't think he'd come
back from the Arizona To be fair, the one game
that I don't think he wins is probably that Iowa
State game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one. That's a real tough one.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, he probably could have because
he was more of a like I viewed Jake as
a more of a thrower, run second, whereas Bear can
sometimes be run first, throw second. And so in that game,
I always State didn't have a corner that could cover.
They didn't have their corners, could not cover the grass
they were standing on based on how they played, like
guard Park, when you let two receivers get over one
hundred yards on you, there's a problem there. There's a
real problem there, and I think Jake probably could have
torn them up. I think Jake could have won that game.
But if we're talking about the Arizona game and the
other the Colorado game, we just make the assumption he
couldn't make he couldn't come like he couldn't win because
he couldn't come back there's not a guarantee he would
get them in that hole in the first place. The
way that Jake plays, Jake comes out firing, and I
think Jake probably could have kept us in the game
at the.
Speaker 1: Beginning of those games.
Speaker 6: So I think it's a little bit unfair to just
say Jake wouldn't be eight to no. I think b
Wy you probably would be eight to no. The difference
I think is where I was I texted my friends
is I don't think Bear loses the Kansas game last year,
like I don't think he loses that game. That's where
I think that state because I think Jake easily could
tear up this easy schedule we've had, Like it's been
easy outside of two games. Let's be real, and Arizona
is a decent team, so maybe three games offense is
very competitive. But I think that I think Bear could
have won that Kansas game last year, and I don't
I'm not sure about the Arizona State game just because
Camas Gottaby is an absolute dog. I think we probably
still lose that game, but I think we would have
been eleven and one in a conference championship game if
we get this year's Bear last year is where I
would say Bear is better than Jake.
Speaker 3: Bring up a very good point that I really didn't
think about, is what would Bear have done in that
Kansas and Arizona State game. Let's just say the Arizona
State's are lost. They're the best team. I don't want
to disrespect them. They proved everything last year and proved
people wrong this year. Really won't know it. Still a
lot of football left. But the Kansas game, I think
beats Kansas. I don't even think they beat him. I
think they blow him out.
Speaker 1: I think I think he puts thirty five.
Speaker 3: I think he puts at least thirty five, if not
thirty eight, maybe can say forty one at the max.
I do agree, and I believe you are using the
title game. But this year, with this quarterback, with the
way he takes care of the football, I do agree
with Jackson on this note. I don't think that Byu
is going to be in bad situations because I haven't
seen it yet of Bear turning the football over. He's
had moments right the Arizona game where you can't really
throw the football at it.
Speaker 1: In West Virginia, where a guy.
Speaker 3: Makes a good place so you get him out of
the way, but only three interceptions three games.
Speaker 1: And Bear has hasn't turned over a fumble either.
Speaker 6: Bear's turned it over a few times, but he hasn't
turned it over in critical times of the game, like
the turnovers against West Virginia.
Speaker 1: We were gonna win no matter what. Never did turn
it over in their part of the field. They have
to go back.
Speaker 6: Well except for the fumble, Yeah, that was the West
one one, but it wasn't like a critical Never in
that game. Did you feel like Byu was in any
danger of losing control of that game?
Speaker 1: Nope.
Speaker 6: But Jake had some terminal turnover like bad time turnovers
end of the Arizona State game Kansas end of the half.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: So that's that's where I think the difference is Bears
better than Jake.
Speaker 1: I hear you in that, and I second and I
echo that, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: He has had a fumble, like you said the Western
the game, don't want people coming, and I count that
as a fumble because he counts on the stat sheet.
It's more of a pitch that he's trying to get
it out there. I look more at the fumbles that
Jake had, is okay, he's handing it off. He's miscommunicating
it with with Aiden Robbins back in the day, right
with l J he's fumbling the ball.
Speaker 1: Thinks we were pazzis.
Speaker 3: He's like, your exchanges are bad or you're fumbling at
yourself when you're running like that. Bear's not doing that.
Bears had a few moments with two hands where people
have almost knocked the loose. So need the Bear tar
tart to maybe clean those up going into the end zone.
I know two hands might think that way, but it
actually might be easier to strip.
Speaker 1: It needs to be two hands up against the body,
not just yeah, he's up against his stomach.
Speaker 3: So when he's running and people are hearing us, but
they're looking at me when I say this, because we
actually have some footballs in our Banderwill Banderwell studios. He
runs with it like this and this is not good
because that can cause the fumble. He needs to run
with it like this where he's got the So I
understand what you're saying. I think most fans would have
would agree with that. But that was a great conversation
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in the.
Speaker 1: Person that writes for Open for Business.
Speaker 3: He is also on Casey Sports Network, one of our
favorite guests.
Speaker 1: Love to have him.
Speaker 3: I got to ask him now if he played hoop
in high school. We got John Kertch on the line. John,
how we doing brother?
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm doing well. So I was cut from the
freshman basketball team at the Blue Valley West High School,
but I will point out my class won the state
championship the senior year, my senior year, so it was
at least like it was a good crop. Listen, I
am a five to nine white guy. I'm not super athletic,
but I can shoot. Man, I can shoot the hell
out of the ball. You know, I'm a five nine.
I'm a five nine white guy. So if you need
someone to knock down some jumpers, I can definitely do that.
You can ask people who played. I took people by
surprise at the k State Rack back in the day
because they would take one look at me and think
I didn't have much. They give me space to shoot man,
I start knocking down trays.
Speaker 3: I always say, if hand down, man down, light the
ass up. That's what my dad would tell me in
my ear. Yeah, glad, you would fit well right here
in Provo because three yu is a big thing.
Speaker 1: BYU shoots a lot of threes.
Speaker 3: So maybe what we needed to do was just have
you out here for a little bit, you know, play
and then move back because hey, people shoot threes out here.
Speaker 1: Man, they all shoot threes. I can tell you that everybody.
No one likes to drive. That's all we do.
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm with it because yeah I can't drive, but
I will knock some threes down for you. I got you.
Speaker 1: Knock some threes down.
Speaker 3: Speaking of threes, can't let's start with this Kansas State
looking to avoid that number three third loss this weekend
in conference play taking on the Red Raiders Texas Tech.
Your early thoughts on this matchup, k State, You know
they've knocked the Baron Morgan, the starting quarterback out of
this game before. This is a tough matchup. I think
more for the Ray Raiders than Kansas State in my opinion.
Speaker 7: It's to me, I'm kind of two minds of this.
I think like Situationally, it has all the makings of
a team that should be on upset alert in Texas
Tech because one, you've alluded to it already, You've got
a huge game next week that they're looking ahead to.
Potentially the possibility would be out there right that that
could happen, and you know, Reece Davis is already like
teasing maybe college game Day being in Lubbock for that game.
Like it's I mean, there's every reason for Texas Tech
to be like Man next week. That's the one. Case
State's four and four. But case State, if you've been
watching and paying attention, they're kind of to me, they're
very similar to twenty twenty four Kansas where terrible start,
really disappointing, but now midway through the year they've found
themselves and they are playing like a team that's much
better than a four and fourteam. You throw in the
fact that it's going to be a juice home atmosphere.
I can tell you the crowd is going to be
by far the best that it's been this year at
Bill Seyder Family Stadium, because nobody's had a game like
this to get foured up about the entire year. They
lost on August twenty third in Ireland and came back,
and by the time they were back, they were playing
North Dakota and case State barely won that game. Then
they're losing to Army. Then it feels like the season's
basically over. There just has not been a home game
with the juice that this one is going to have.
So I think everybody's feeling like it's kind of a
second lease on life in the season where it was
like we thought we weren't going to get a single
game like this this year, so let's take advantage of this.
So it's going to be rocking. And then you throw
on top of that that Texas Tech just has not
been able to beat k State at all recently. So
Texas Tech has lost eight straight and twelve of the
last thirteen against k State. The only respite in there
was Patrick Mahomes beating KSE State in twenty fifteen. But
Tech the last time they won in Manhattan that game
was Mike Leach versus Ron Prince in two thousand and eight,
if that helps date it for you. So this has
not been a good matchup for Texas Tech. Long way
to say that, Now, the other part of me that
looks at it and says, none of that's going to
help you block Romelo Height and David Bailey off the edge.
None of that matters. And k State's offensive line has
not been a team strength this year at all. I
think they've gotten better, but it's not as strong an
offensive line as what Case State has had. And I
think that's what you worry about is the game wrecking
ability of Texas Tech's defense. Tech has been about as
good against the run as almost anybody in the country, too,
and Case State's running game has been very pedestrian without
Dylan Edwards, who frankly, I think is probably not going
to play the rest of the year, and so you've
got a really average running back room. Outside of that.
Case State may be kind of one dimensional, but they've
been winning while being one dimensional. That's what they have.
They have a downfield passing game and it's really good
for all the crap Avery Johnson has taken in his
career for you know, rival fans calling him glorified running back,
turned into a guy that his biggest weapon is throwing
the ball down the field. He's been great at it
and really killed Kansas with his arm last week. So
that's kind of how it sets up. I feel like,
you know, the actual matchup I don't feel great about,
but situational stuff I feel really good about. So what
does that mean in the end? I think case State
has a real shot, but I would still be surprised
if it happened.
Speaker 1: John how do you assess Kansas State as a whole?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like the last two years, Kansas State
was supposed to be the blue blood. When Texas and
Oklahoma left, K State was supposed to be one.
Speaker 1: Of the teams that ran the conference.
Speaker 2: And Avery Johnson everyone was talking about him and that
I think it was Texas TEK when he had those
five rushing touchdowns his fresh year. I feel like we
keep waiting for k State to arrive and be the
big dog in the conference, and clearly Avery Johnson's good enough.
You play a game like last week where they just
kind of dominate Kansas How do you kind of assess
and break down why K State is not the blue
blood the big dog of the Big twelve yet?
Speaker 7: Man, you sound like K State Twitter. I'll be I'll
be honest, though, I mean, look, hey, I get the point.
Like I think K State fans thought they were headed
for that after twenty twenty two when they won the
Big Twelve title, brought Will Howard and a bunch of
talent back in that twenty twenty three season, and twenty
three and twenty four they were close, you know, I
mean they were close to getting back there and doing
it again. Twenty three, you know, they had a game
that'll haunt him. Will Howard probably had a touchdown in
overtime against Texas if he chooses the correct running lane.
They wind up not getting it on fourth and goal
a couple of plays later, lose that game. That was
really the difference in them making it to the Big
Twelve championship game or not. And then last year they
start seven to one and they're at Houston, a game
that they should win, and they're up double digits and
all of a sudden, a bad interception really turned the
tide in that game in the second half, and things,
you know, the wheels kind of fell off, and you
could point and say, hey, well a lot of that's
the youth of Averray Johnson last year. But then this year,
I mean, it just feels like this year has been
kind of ill fated from the beginning. I don't think
you know, if they would have not done the Ireland thing,
they'd be playing Iowa State probably right about now in
the schedule, which they've lost three straight, and that looks
like a game that I mean, Case State looks like
the better team right now, so that could certainly help
your record and the Arizona Army games. Had they just
played with efforts, you know, I mean, they just were
playing like they didn't care at the beginning of the season.
That's a hard one to explain. I don't know exactly
what happened there, but I think it's pretty easy. The
four losses are by a combined thirteen points, I believe,
so it's really easy to go back and reverse engineer
how this season could have been much different. But I mean,
I think you kind of hit on where the fan
frustration's at with Chris Climban, where it's like he's he
had the one breakthrough year with a big twelve championship.
Other than that, you know, the joke around the fan
base is kind of like eight and four, you know,
and in fact, like some people have been saying, hey,
you know, they're going for the reverse climbing this year
to just went out and be eight and four by
the end of the year. That would be really showcasing
how inevitable the eight and four is with Climbing. But
that's case Dave fans frustration is can you get over
that hump? And I think some of the criticism about
it would be he's maybe not ruthless enough to do that.
He's stuck with the same staff for a while. There
probably has not been enough turnover on that staff. A
lot of internal hires when somebody does leave, and a
lot of people would tell you, hey, the difference in
the Big twelve championship year was that Colin clemb became
the offensive coordinator, and credit Chris Climb for making that move.
He did fire one of his longtime friends, Forty Messing
him as the OC, and then hired Colin Climb, But
Colin was already there within the program. That was kind
of a gimmea and we're seeing what he's doing a
t to SA and M with that offense right now.
And Colin, I mean, I can almost guarantee you he's
going to get a power for head coaching job this offseason.
So he was a star that was right in your lap.
And I think people look at it and say, well,
was that the only reason that you have the twenty
twenty two breakthrough year and everything else, You're just gonna
be kind of this this decent but not great program.
So I think that's some of the conundrum that you
have there. Cents Climent's are really good, dude. I genuinely
think he's a really good human being, and I kind
of think to be a great head head coach in
college football a lot of times you may need more
edge to you than that. I know, Colonie Sataki's another
example of that guy that I think is just a
great human being, and he's clearly been really successful with that.
But I don't know if if Climban is cut froat enough,
you know. I mean, he said this postgame press conference
after Kansas driver drove some fans nuts. He said he
was talking about how tidy is with Lance Lightpold, and
he said, Hey, if I wasn't the head coach in
Case State, I might root for Lance to win this
game because I know how bad he wants to win it.
The same days did not like that, but I mean,
that's that's kind of how he is. So I think
that may be a piece of what's going on here.
Speaker 2: I mean that sounds a lot like what Colonie Stocky
had to say about Kyle Whittingham, and I think a
lot of fans felt the same.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's just a Case State Kansas problem.
Speaker 2: I have done some research though, John and I have
discovered I can pinpoint you the exact problem with KSE State.
Speaker 1: It was taking the game. It was taking the game
in Ireland. That's what it was.
Speaker 2: Because after Florida State played, they went to in ten
and after Nebraska played there, they went four and a.
I truly think, however much money Brett Yormark is offering
schools to go over and play in Ireland, just say no,
it's not worth it, because it seems like the teams.
Speaker 1: Who go over and play in Ireland, man, they just
get cursed.
Speaker 7: It's definitely seemingly a thing. Now you know, it's we're
getting enough data here where it seems to be. And
KSE State fans, I mean, look, the fan base was
not real happy about that. Case State was the team
that gave up a home game. So you know, Iowa
status turned into debatably the bigger rival of the two
between Kansas, just because it's been you know, much more
competitiveies than what's happened with Kansas and the home schedule
this year. Now there's only six home games. You took
away the most marquee game on the schedule. You keep
losing that. You know, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri, Nebraska, all
these teams that like meant something on the schedule over
the years that have gone away. So fans are just like,
what now you're going to take this one away from us?
And I think the idea was that they were going
to get like two million dollars out of it, which,
like I understand the athletic departments need all the money
that they can get, but you know, it's really worth
it in the end, and especially like I mentioned, now
that you see how the Iowa State season has broken,
you would feel much better about playing that game right
now than you would have in Week zero where it
was actually at. So I think it could not have
possibly worked out worse to be honest for Case State
there and Climban has himself to blame Jean Taylor, Case
State's athletic director, assuming that they're not lying about the
story how this happened. They got approached about it, and
Jane figured Climbing would never say yes to do that,
but Climban decided to do it after talking to some
people and thinking it would be a great opportunity for
the kids, and YadA YadA. So is Climbing that pulled
the trigger doing it. So there you go. I guess
back to my previous statement, maybe the fans would tell
you he should have been more cutthroat in not doing that.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting take. You bring up Iowa State.
Speaker 2: I want to go there because there's still people who say, oh, well,
Byu hasn't played anybody. And while I do think b
why you didn't necessarily get Iowa State's best shot because
I think they're one of the better big teams in
the Big twelve. What was your takeaway from that game?
And are you still of the opinion BOU hasn't played anybody?
Or do you think that they have earned a spot
as a top ten team in college football?
Speaker 7: No, they've earned it. I mean, look, I've been looking
this week. A lot of the power pools still really
like Utah. Like I think Utah is still a really
good win. And that game, you know, I mean you
saw kind of has an excuse me, touchdown there at
the end of the game. There's one play the ball
that Chase Roberts in the end zone. It was close
to being like a seventeen point game, and maybe people
would feel a little bit differently about that too, had
that actually happened. But like Josh Paate, I know, his
power pool had Utah in the top twenty this week.
Tom Fernelli from CDs Sports at his I mean BYU
fans won't like this, but has actually had Utah in
he ranks the top twelve. He had Utah in the
top twelve and BYU not there because the power rankings
like Utah that much. So first of all, I would
hold that win up and winning your names, I mean
and winning by two scores like yeah, I mean, I'm
gonna say b YU has earned it by doing that.
That was Iowa State well rested, right coming off of
buy in front of their home crowd. You talk about
situational stuff. That is a spot where, like situationally, everything
is pointing toward Iowa State winning that game, which is
why they were a Vegas favorite, right and buy you
just they have like an it factor to him, man,
they have an it factor that is able to go
win games like that and pull pull games out of
the fire. I think is really the bigger point about that,
being able to pull a game out of the fire
where it looks like you're you're down and out, you're
in a lot of trouble. In that first half, it
looked like BYU was in a ton of trouble, especially
while knowing what they were up against from a situational standpoint.
So no, I don't, I don't lend a lot of
credence towards that. The other thing I would just say
is like, can we give BYU some credit for having
done this for a second straight year? Like, I mean,
they should have some good will built up as far
as just trusting them as a program now, being that
they did it last year and then people doubted after
they lost the Kansas game, and it's like, hey, they
finish off in the Bowl game and spank Colorado and
win eleven games, and now here they are at eight
to o again, Like at some point you gotta just
trust that, like, hey, this this program just win wins games. Man,
That's that's what they're doing right now. So no, I don't.
I don't subscribe to much of a theory that they
that they haven't played anybody.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you mentioned just some some of the rankings out there.
You got Josh Payton and all that, so I wanted
to go here. We've got the College Football Playoff, the
first ranking coming out next Tuesday. Do you think that
they respect by Where do you think they put BYU?
And where do they put most of the big twelve
do you think?
Speaker 7: I mean fault is to never give them much benefit
of the doubt in terms of what they're gonna do
for the for the league. You just always assume the worst,
hope for the best, assume the worst. So you know,
let's go look at the I've got this up right.
I was gonna say they just peak at the A
people because I do think that the College Football Playoffs
election Committee is generally not going to deviate a ton
from the A people. So I would guess that BYU
is going to be in the top twelve. But I mean,
it wouldn't shock me if they're eleven or twelve. It
wouldn't shock me if Notre Dame, for instance, winds up
in front of them. As crazy as that is. With
their two losses, Can they crack the top ten?
Speaker 3: Can it be like a number nine, because I got floor,
I got ceiling six, floor thirteen.
Speaker 1: That's how I have it. Could you see them anywhere
between the seven and nine range.
Speaker 7: I think that's a pretty good uh. And that's a
pretty good ceiling and floor, although I don't know. I
just wouldn't put the ceiling that high. Again, not based
on Merritt, but based on what I would think that
they will do. No, I would bet that they'll be ten,
eleven or twelve. I would bet strongly, unfortunately, And I mean, look,
I would love to be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong,
and I don't think that Texas Tech. Well, I guess,
you know, we'll see what happens this weekend. If we
assume that Texas Tech wins, I don't think that Texas
Tech's going to be in the top twelve, you know,
if we're talking about like the rest of the league.
So and then at the back end, it's just kind
of a it's kind of a crapshoot when you get
to the back end, like Cincinnati. If they win this weekend,
I mean, they should definitely be like in the top fifteen,
but they're not going to be in the top twelve.
I think even if they win that game on the
road at Utah, and then it's like, you know, Houston
will hopefully be ranked, but that is the type of
team that I could see them leaving out because look,
if there is one team that you want to if
you want to criticize the schedule of a Big Twelve team,
it is Houston. I mean, you go look at Houston's played,
who they have played. I don't spend a lot of
time talking about that because it's such a cool story
and like Willie Fritz is just doing what he always does,
which is when and you can only play whose out
there in front of you. But if you do really
want to attack a strength to schedule into Big Twelve,
it is Houston. So it would be harder for me
to whine and complain about that. But up toward the top, no,
I'm not expecting great news for the Big Twelve, to
be quite honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're not wrong in that.
Speaker 3: I think that's honest if for a take, well what
the committee has done, so wouldn't be surprised by that.
And that leads to this question of will the Big
Twelve get two teams in the College Football Playoff?
Speaker 7: I think it's pretty unlikely, although I will say that
Andy Staples, who does a bracketology every week for on three,
he at least had three Big twelve teams on the graphic.
Now only one was in, and then I think it
was so BYU was in, and then it was Cincinnati
and Texas Tech both in, like the first four out.
I think there was one team in front of them
on that list. So that at least gave me a
little more like optimism, like, hey, at least right now
you know they're getting respect like they're because I felt
like at this time last year is when the conversation
started slanting toward will wait is the Big twelve even
going to get anybody in? Like maybe we'll have two
G five champs here, you know, depending on what happens
with Tulane An Army. And so I'm happy at least
that the conversation seems to be starting there where you've
got a shot. But you know, part of the problem
is just that again with this league, everybody is so
bunched up, they're so similar, and teams are going to
be playing here down the stretch. I I just fear
that it works out in a way that's that's really
advantageous for the league. And I think that the second
BYU loses a game, if that happens, I think the
second the Texas Tech loses a second game, if that happens, Cincinnati,
I just always feel like they're waiting to drop them
like a rock. I mean, we saw Texas Tech drop
seven spots for losing by four on the road at
Arizona State with a backup quarterback, you know, I mean
it just that's that's the way it goes. So I
would say, no, the odds are definitely likely that that
will not happen. But once again, hope I'm wrong, and
I'm not saying that that's that that's right or justified it.
Speaker 3: Anyway, The odds are not in forever, not in your
favorite hashtag hunger games. A little tongue in cheeker right there, John,
I wish we had more time. I'll finish with this
question because I do want to get your thoughts on
this expanding a coege football playoff to twenty four teams?
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Why or why not?
Speaker 7: So to me, it is kind of conditional here because
I mean I don't on principle, no, I do not
like extending the playoff. I like a completely meaningful regular season.
I say this, and it makes people mad sometimes, but
if we could go back to even just the BCS
where you pick two teams and the regular season has
so much meaning, where you know, I mean you just
slip up once, that might be it. I think that's
like one of the things that make college football really
really unique, and I just feel like we move, you know,
we're moving further and further from that now. A lot
of that too, is that, you know, we're getting rid
of all these rivalry games with realignment, and there are
a number of things that have contributed to moving away
from just why college football was so unique, but that
I just think that era. You know, I'm nostalgic for
that era where dude, you had to be totally locked
in and dialed in every single regular season game. Okay,
so there's that perspective on it. But if the twenty
fourteen playoff means that we're getting what the Big ten is,
I'm trying to remember Russ Ellen's term like verbalizing. Right now,
they're kicking around the idea behind the scenes of a
playoff that would include three or four auto bids for
every single power for conference and everybody would have the
same amount. So, for instance, that could mean you'd have
like a twenty fourteen playoff where the Big twelve gets
four autobids, same number of autobids as the SEC, Big
Ten and ACC. And if that is the case, then,
just from a purely know survival standpoint for the Big twelve,
can I be sitting Hey, I'd rather not work out
where the Big twelve gets equal playoff access and they
get four teams every year in there. It's hard for
me to go against that just from a you know
what's good for a Big twelve business standpoint. So if
you're gonna tell me it's twenty four teams and it
winds up being one of those formats which long way
to go on that and they would have to convince
the SEC. And you know, I understand that, and I
get that people kind of recoil when they hear that
and think, oh, that's ridiculous. It would never happen. Maybe not,
but it's at least being out there reported right now
by Ross Dellinger that the Big Ten is kind of
acquiescing to that. I would have a hard time saying
no to that, especially since we're already as much as
I pined for the day, as we could go back to, hey,
just two teams play for the tyler or whatever, like
the toothpastes out of the tube on that, like we're
just barreling toward adding more and more teams. They're trying
to do it to the basketball tournament too, right, So
all of it does seem to have just an air
of an inevitability to it. So with that, you know,
I'm kind of reluctantly like, all right, if you're gonna
give us four bids, let's go. Let's go to the
twenty fourteen thing.
Speaker 3: I'm with you as well on principal. No, I wouldn't
mind sixteen teams. But if you're gonna go twenty four
you're right. The tube is already out of the two
pace and we're already rolling at snowball into that no doubt.
You just mentioned business, though, what's the best way we
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Speaker 1: What you do John, and how you do it?
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Speaker 3: I wish we had more time to recap that, but
we got it in the show. John is always great.
I love having him on. He's people download his interview
a lot. He's up there, so people really like listen
from him. He's definitely super educated, super in tune, knows
exactly what he's talking about. And well, Kansas State upset
Texas Tech this weekend. I don't know if I like
that because I don't think the Red Raiders will drop
too straight.
Speaker 1: But you never know. That is the hard part.
Speaker 2: It's like if they lose, then there's no way they
lose against you know, almost why I'm a little bit overconfident.
Speaker 6: I think they're gonna handle Kansas State.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Twelve every game, I get it, but Case State looked
good last but Kansas has an awful defensee Texas Tech
does not have that bad of a defense.
Speaker 1: No, they don't.
Speaker 2: It's depends is also a four and fourteen, so it's
not as though they're just running through everybody.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just Kansas State is prone to give up points.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Texas questions along the defensive line.
Speaker 6: I think Texas Tech wins by ten plus.
Speaker 3: Ten plus, so you got a thirteen plus victory or
at least ten, at least at least ten. You wouldn't
be surprised if they beat him by fourteen.
Speaker 6: I think Kansas State could make it a game for
about a half.
Speaker 1: So first, I.
Speaker 6: Think that Texas Tech has a superior coaching staff, and
I think they're better in almost every position on the field.
Speaker 3: Oh, they definitely are, Joey McGrath. I think the only
position I would maybe argue give you a pushback of not.
I think Avery Johnson's a very good quest well, Avery Johnson.
I think put Avery Johnson in Texas Tech System, I
think they can do the same thing.
Speaker 6: But is Avery Johnson better than Baron Morton? I think
you can make that argument that you degree that. I
think you can. I think you have an argument there.
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm not saying he's definitively better, saying
you have an argument.
Speaker 1: Avery Johnson's nice.
Speaker 3: Like I think if you put Avery Johnson in Texas
Tech System, I think.
Speaker 2: He let me ask you this, if bo doesn't have
a quarterback, they're both in the transfer portal, who do
you want Baron Morton? Avery Johnson? Because to me, I
think the answer of the guy who I.
Speaker 1: Want Avery A. Johnson? I think Avery Johnson the run.
Speaker 6: Avery Johnson then, but I don't I think Baron Morton's underrated.
Speaker 1: I really do know.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and we're not even talking about like
Avery Johnson at least three times a season.
Speaker 6: But I think I think that Texas Tech also has
one of the most underrated running backs.
Speaker 1: I agree like bro Cameron Dicky can play good. He's good.
Speaker 3: Brodercent behind no jimark I. So we'll find out on Saturday.
Everybody will be tuned into the game. We all will
be a little by week action. You'll be paying attention.
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