1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:01:01,679 Speaker 1: W M A N H rips and doves who at 2 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:09,000 things like what's to welcome man? What side the ball? 3 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: Sad do? 4 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:23,879 Speaker 1: What Dall said the sad storm sun sounds great, gosa s. 5 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:32,439 Speaker 2: And what y'll doing? Steep go sleep. 6 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:52,359 Speaker 3: Stoic side step, don't certain size? 7 00:01:52,799 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 4: Say what's going in song? Seven sign jena O june 8 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:21,759 sign s. 9 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:42,159 Speaker 5: S s sign. 10 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: What you say go along sing. 11 00:02:52,159 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 6: Same names, just start and sign, don't say so, don't 12 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,919 to seven it Sorry we'll take. 13 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,879 Speaker 1: Went too farn yady, Sorry we. 14 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:42,039 Speaker 7: Did don't two seven side tenn do one side. 15 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 8: You tube. 16 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:53,879 Speaker 1: Go to a stud want to say? 17 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 6: Oh, don't let us say that because I say you. 18 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,719 Speaker 2: I don't know? I to thy. 19 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:12,879 Speaker 1: Sat the person. 20 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: I feel just. 21 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: Talking about the bobs you get the shows, sir? 22 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 4: What you say? 23 00:05:34,560 --> 00:06:47,959 Speaker 9: So you find sile. I'm trying to make the most 24 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,560 of the got you sure. 25 00:06:50,800 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: Please got got away? 26 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 8: Got s. 27 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Got say. 28 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 5: Feeling? 29 00:07:35,839 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: Just what are you doing? 30 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:49,079 Speaker 2: You? 31 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,399 Speaker 1: I know what I with my. 32 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 8: Go to way. 33 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 10: To get. 34 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:16,079 Speaker 1: Got got? 35 00:08:59,559 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 5: Oh? 36 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 11: That that is so cool? That is space Casino. We 37 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,039 played a couple of their tracks. These guys are let 38 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,120 me get Jenny's mike up here. If you are listening 39 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,799 live on Saturday. These guys are supposed to be joining us. 40 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,080 That's called get Away, a really really cool band from Boston, 41 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:18,200 but a little bit of a transportation issue this morning, 42 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,799 so we're hoping that they're able to call in, or 43 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:22,320 at least one of the guys is able to call in. 44 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,879 They're supposed to come up from Boston, but they've hit 45 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,639 a snag, a little problem, so Jenny's been trying to 46 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,600 work that out, so we might. Hopefully we're going to 47 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:33,440 hear from them at ten to fifteen. If not, we'll 48 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,960 move on. We have other things we can do, but 49 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:41,039 these things happen, but travel issues, and you know, that's 50 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:41,480 the way it goes. 51 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 12: Sometimes. I hate to see anybody get stuck, but we will. 52 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 11: If it gets to be ten to fifteen, you know, 53 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:48,720 we'll play one more track of theirs, and if we 54 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:50,639 don't hear from them, we might just have to reschedule. 55 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,320 I mean, we'll reschedule regardless, because I'm really interested in 56 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:57,519 meeting these guys. I love their sound. But we will 57 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,039 play one more song in a couple of minutes, and 58 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,080 then if we're not able to if they're not able 59 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,879 to get on the phone with us, then we'll just 60 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:04,799 we'll move on to something else, and then of course 61 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,759 we do have in the third hour today, Questing Beast 62 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:10,279 is coming back, which I'm really looking forward to. Love 63 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:13,000 Questing Beast and I love Waiting for Zee. That was 64 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:13,720 so much fun. 65 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 5: Question Beast will be filling us in on the first 66 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:21,399 show of the year. Yes, Yes, excited to talk about that. 67 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:23,240 And you guys have got to go check out Terminus 68 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,799 if you've never been. It's really cool. I call it 69 00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:29,080 like a tartist because you walk in and it seems kind. 70 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 12: Of quaint, nice walking into a different world. 71 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 5: And then as you explore inside, it gets bigger and 72 00:10:34,279 --> 00:10:38,720 bigger and bigger, and Terminus is an incredible playing space. Yeah, absolutely, 73 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:45,360 super comfortable, really intimate. We got to watch Green Yellow there, yes, 74 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,840 which was so cool. 75 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 12: Yeah. Well you you booked that you worked with Eleanor 76 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,399 to get that book and that was very cool. Yeah. 77 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 5: The absolutely one of the coolest things I've ever been 78 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:55,799 asked to do. 79 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,919 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 80 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 11: Oh, we were talking in the hallway, so Waiting for 81 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,759 z got done. And of course, you know, I went 82 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:05,440 to high school with Xander Xander Carlson and and I 83 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,639 may have actually worked with Scott at Strawberries in a 84 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,679 different story. We were talking and you know, there is 85 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:15,200 something familiar about him and and uh, so we may have. 86 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:17,759 We probably met at some point. We didn't work in 87 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:19,559 the same store, but I used to go help out 88 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,320 in the store that he worked at, so we probably 89 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:22,679 did meet at some point. 90 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 12: I never thought would go away Strawberries. 91 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:28,279 Speaker 5: Strawberries was Spencer's. 92 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 11: Well, they got bought out by trans World, which owns 93 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,799 f y E and f YE still exists, but so 94 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,120 it didn't really go away, but it just got gobbled up. 95 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,080 But that company had a lot of problems. But anyway, Yeah, 96 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,840 Xander was talking about in the hallway about uh, we're 97 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,440 talking a little bit about Kiss because Xander also a 98 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,240 huge Kiss fan. And back when I was working at 99 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:53,159 Strawberries and conquered Carnival of Souls, there was a bootleg 100 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,559 of a Kiss album called Carnival of Souls, and Carnival 101 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,559 had been delayed because they were making that album with 102 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,039 Bruce Click and Eric Singer, who were the non makeup 103 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:08,240 version of Kiss at that point. But as they were 104 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:11,639 in the studio making Carnival of Souls, Gene Simmons and 105 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,879 Paul Stanley were also in negotiations to reunite and put 106 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:17,200 the makeup back on with Ace Frehley and Peter Chris, 107 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:21,080 so Carnival of Souls was done, but it ended up 108 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,360 getting delayed because of the reunion tour with Uh in 109 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,960 full makeup with the original lineup of Kiss. So Carnival 110 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:32,279 ended up getting shelved. But because it was shelved, you know, 111 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,600 Kiss fans, you know, we tend to be pretty rabid 112 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:37,080 and we want to you know, if we know about something, 113 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,720 we want to hear it. So it ended up getting bootlegged. 114 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:43,399 Somehow it got out, and it was it was very 115 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,240 heavily bootlegged. And I was able to get my hands 116 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:48,720 on a bootleg copy of Carnival of Souls before it 117 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:51,360 was released and Uh, and so I had made a 118 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,519 copy for Xander and shared it around and eventually it 119 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,759 did come out. Eventually it came out and Uh, but 120 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,320 it came out two years after it was recorded. And 121 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:03,080 such a great album too, although very polarizing among Kiss fans, 122 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,039 but I love it and Xander loves it. 123 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,519 Speaker 5: What did you think about them holding it back? 124 00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 11: Well, I understood why they held it back. It wasn't 125 00:13:10,879 --> 00:13:13,480 the band's decision, it was the record label's decision. But 126 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:17,600 from the point of the label, it didn't make sense 127 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,080 to put out this. They thought it would be confusing 128 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:24,679 to the marketplace. Okay, Kisses now reformed the original lineup. 129 00:13:25,159 --> 00:13:27,559 They've done this reunion in full makeup. They do this 130 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,960 huge tour and everything. Oh and by the way, here's 131 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,120 this album without them in makeup with the previous lineup. 132 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 5: Were there any theories on how it got leaked? 133 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 12: No, who knows how this. 134 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 11: I mean, it's usually somebody, somebody connected to you know, 135 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:44,000 the recording studio or whomever. 136 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 12: I mean it. You know, it happens. It happens all 137 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,639 the time, or at least it used to happen all 138 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:47,879 the time. 139 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 5: I don't know how much they got paid. 140 00:13:49,159 --> 00:13:50,759 Speaker 11: I don't know if in the digital era it happens. 141 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:53,399 And the boot leg was missing one track. There was 142 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,919 one track that was not on the boot leg, and 143 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,080 it wasn't great. It wasn't great quality of the bootleg, 144 00:13:58,159 --> 00:13:59,440 but it was good enough so you could really get 145 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:00,559 an idea of what it sounded like. 146 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:01,039 Speaker 13: And it was. 147 00:14:04,039 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 12: Bruce Culick. No, Bruce Culick. 148 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 11: Had sung, had done lead vocals on a song called 149 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:13,840 I Walk Alone, and it was the only time that 150 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,879 Bruce had ever done a lead vocal in Kiss, and 151 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:21,039 it was the last track on the album, and for 152 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,240 some reason that wasn't on the bootleg, But I just 153 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,759 remember listening to the bootleg and my jaw was on 154 00:14:27,879 --> 00:14:29,679 the floor because it was so it was so good. 155 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:32,080 It's one of my favorite Kiss albums, but very polarizing 156 00:14:32,159 --> 00:14:36,759 because what I noticed at the time was fans my 157 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:42,120 age and younger seemed to really like it, but older 158 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,320 fans who'd been with them from the beginning were confused 159 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:48,440 by it because it was very dark and heavy, like 160 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:51,480 to the point of it was kind of like it 161 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,600 sounded like a lot of people compared it to Alison Chains. 162 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:57,679 It was like it was like Kiss trying to sound 163 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:01,039 like Seattle, trying trying to fit in, which we now know, 164 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,399 based on a lot of things that have been written 165 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:04,240 and that we've learned about, it. 166 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,919 Speaker 12: Was exactly the idea Kiss was. Yeah, so that's what 167 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:08,600 they were doing. 168 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 11: And so fans who don't like Carnival of Souls are like, oh, 169 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,320 it's it's just Kiss trying to be trying to sound 170 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,159 like Alison Chains. 171 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 12: Who wants this? 172 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 14: You know? 173 00:15:17,399 --> 00:15:21,279 Speaker 11: That's not Kiss, whereas other fans like myself. I think 174 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,120 Carnival of Souls is absolutely brilliant. And at the time 175 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:28,519 when I listened to it, I wasn't like, oh, they're 176 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:30,799 trying to sound like Alison Chains. I was just like, Wow, 177 00:15:30,879 --> 00:15:34,360 this is the heaviest and darkest Kiss has ever sounded, 178 00:15:34,799 --> 00:15:37,480 and I really like it. It's I think it's a 179 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,759 fantastic album. Yeah, yeah, see now I like that. 180 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,759 Speaker 5: But you you and I both like the dark stuff too, though. 181 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:45,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 182 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,039 Speaker 11: I mean I like all Versons, you know, I love 183 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:51,480 I love everything. They're my favorite band, so I love 184 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:53,840 everything they've done. I mean, not literally every song, but 185 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,440 I but you know, but whether it's yeah, whether it's 186 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:59,799 the grunge of Carnival of Souls or the metal of 187 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,879 Creatures of the Night, or the disco of a song 188 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,360 like I Was Made for Loving You, I appreciate all 189 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,720 eras and variations of the band. 190 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 5: I never thought about that song as disco. 191 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,879 Speaker 11: But Carnival of Yeah, well it is. Yeah, but Carnival 192 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:15,679 of Souls is. I played a song for you once 193 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,399 from that album called Jungle, and you really liked it. 194 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,679 This was a long time ago, and they actually that 195 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:23,320 song actually has a minor hit on it. 196 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 5: We do a lot of kiss songs that I had 197 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:28,120 never heard of before. Yeah, just because I'd never had 198 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,279 the opportunity. Yeah. 199 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:32,679 Speaker 11: Well, I also remember you telling me there were a 200 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,279 couple songs I played for you. You were like, oh, 201 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,679 I do know this song, I didn't know it was 202 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:36,480 kiss right. 203 00:16:36,679 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true too. Yeah, but I think it identifying 204 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,320 things like that. I would never ever keep up with 205 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:44,200 you at the nine at nine on retro. 206 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah ever. Yeah, this week's Retrospection Radio 207 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,960 was a repeat. But I think I think we're gonna 208 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,840 be back live with that next week. I assume that's 209 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:55,759 up to Paul, but that is my assumption. Oh but 210 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,720 one other thing though, I wanted to circle back because 211 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:02,919 you had mentioned off of the show your nails. Oh yeah, 212 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,720 and uh so Cheryl Krakowski is in the chat room 213 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,160 and she heard, she heard what you were saying, and she, 214 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,160 uh she said this, she said, just love you right back, 215 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:11,960 Jen coffee. 216 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:12,599 Speaker 15: Uh. 217 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 11: So many choices dot com? And many is m I 218 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:19,559 oh M A N I. I guess as in manicure. 219 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,000 So it's so many, so many choices dot com? But 220 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,000 many is M I N M A N I. 221 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 12: Sorry. 222 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,519 Speaker 11: Uh, that's the website so many choices dot com or 223 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:34,200 visit my link tree which is link tree slash Cheryl Krakowski. Uh, 224 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:36,440 we got to keep Jen looking her best, right, my 225 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:42,079 favorite person to spoil. Please support our obsession with Red Aspen. 226 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I love it so. Red Aspen is a 227 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,960 company that's owned by women and was created as such, 228 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,680 and they they support These are like small businesses for 229 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:57,359 these ladies. And Cheryl has been in my life for 230 00:17:57,559 --> 00:17:59,680 years now. And she's the one that actually got me 231 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:02,960 into playing with my nails, which was actually a fun 232 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,079 thing to do when I gave up wearing makeup because 233 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,720 of my eyes, So it was kind of fun to 234 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:11,480 transfer that desire into something unique. And uh yeah, and 235 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:14,119 now she's doing other stuff too with them. They do 236 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,960 other products, like I'm curious to find out about the 237 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,440 skin cleanser because it's doesn't have all the crappy ingredients 238 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,880 and poisons in it. It's cruelty for me, So I'm 239 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,319 really wanting to check that out. And I just love 240 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,359 her and she always sends me fun prizes. I always 241 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,200 get chocolate and my little bunny, I love my bunny. 242 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,480 She always sends me things that make me smile. And 243 00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:38,440 make me happy. And isn't that wonderful to have in 244 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:39,319 a front Yeah? 245 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,599 Speaker 12: Oh absolutely no, that is that is excellent. We should 246 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,640 uh do we uh know anything? 247 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 14: Uh? 248 00:18:46,079 --> 00:18:46,599 Speaker 12: Definitive. 249 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 5: We've got nothing, nothing, not a sound, not nothing. 250 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,519 Speaker 11: You know what I think I'm gonna do, just because 251 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,720 we were talking about it, I'm gonna play So I'm 252 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:58,880 gonna do something unusual. I'm gonna play a kiss song, 253 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:01,079 unusual for we don't usually do that on the show, 254 00:19:01,279 --> 00:19:04,720 but because we usually just feature the artists whomever we're 255 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:07,799 featuring that week or previous artists, but just for people 256 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:11,039 who are curious. So that album, Carnival of Souls that 257 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,960 some people love, some kiss fans love, and some kiss 258 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,640 fans hate, very polarizing personally. 259 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 14: I love it. 260 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,039 Speaker 12: I'm gonna play that song Jungle Jungle. 261 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 11: Actually, So even though this album when it was eventually released, 262 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:26,240 it was kind of an afterthought in terms of promotion, 263 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:30,920 this album actually does have a minor hit single on it, Jungle, 264 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:34,400 despite the lack of promotion and despite it being confusion 265 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,559 being confusing because it wasn't the version of the band 266 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,119 that currently existed. When this album finally came out two 267 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,400 years after it was recorded. This track actually did pretty 268 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,519 well at radio. Radio gravitated to this so and it's 269 00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:52,640 my favorite song on the album Carnival of Souls. 270 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,559 Speaker 12: So since we we're talking about it, what the hell, 271 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:55,599 we'll go ahead and play this. 272 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 11: And then when we come back, Jenny and I, we've 273 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:01,319 got something else to talk about out that was in 274 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,680 the news and recently music industry news. 275 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 12: I think we'll do that. 276 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 11: We're talking about it in the car of the Miley 277 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,359 Cyrus Bruno Mars lawsuit and. 278 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 12: Then in the third hour. 279 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,839 Speaker 11: If you are listening live on Saturday, Questing Beast is 280 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,000 going to be here with us in studio making their return. 281 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 16: But yeah, check this out. 282 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 11: And if you're not a Kiss fan, listen to this 283 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:21,240 with an open mind. You might not have heard this song, 284 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,440 and you might this might appeal to you. But this 285 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,559 is called jungle. This is from Carnival of Souls. 286 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:25,079 Speaker 17: Mm hmm, right, the CON's going down one time it 287 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:31,079 comes a line just waking up to take another knights, 288 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:57,200 No nothing left, we got a plack to hide. 289 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: We'll take the final clapt it not. 290 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:20,519 Speaker 8: Stay the. 291 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:59,519 Speaker 5: Jo what times it is? 292 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 16: Imbe for more than little. 293 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: Years you get to fris A p so, so the 294 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:28,480 don so that the son take them to the lad. 295 00:23:31,160 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 16: Just what's gonna coming up? I'm gonna coming But that 296 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:20,519 was ever. 297 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: The gods call one said that so fundable son calling, 298 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:55,920 so well take them so on the soson. 299 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,599 Speaker 11: There you go, a little kiss for you On a 300 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,440 Saturday morning here on Matt Connorton Unleashed, we are live 301 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,039 from the studios of wm n H ninety five point 302 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,599 three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. If you are 303 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,599 just joining us, of course, we did have a guest 304 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,680 scheduled for this hour, but unfortunately that did not work out, 305 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,319 so that is fine. But we did get into both 306 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:43,880 actually well, we talked about Kiss both on air and 307 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,839 off air, but having a conversation with the guys from 308 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:48,400 Waiting for Z who joined us here in the first 309 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,519 hour and they were phenomenal, and Xander and I were 310 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,400 kind of reminiscing in the hallway about a Kiss boot 311 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,880 leg and that led to me playing Jungle that track 312 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,480 on the air that's from a Carnival of Souls, which 313 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,759 came out in ninety seven, a couple of years after 314 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,240 it was recorded. We talked about the whole history of 315 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,960 that earlier. But if you are not a kiss fan, 316 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,000 that probably none of that probably matters to you, so 317 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,440 we will move on. We did have something else, by 318 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,160 the way, we do have questing beats coming up in 319 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:16,640 the third hour if you're listening live. 320 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 12: But something else I wanted to talk about. 321 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 11: And this has been going on for I don't know, 322 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,359 a couple of years now, I guess, but you know, 323 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,839 we do like to talk about these things that are 324 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,039 going on in the music industry. 325 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,079 Speaker 12: Sometimes there is controversy and lawsuits and things like that. 326 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 11: We talk a lot about AI and the effects of 327 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:37,079 AI on music. But here's but this also kind of 328 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,759 relates to a subject that comes up not only on 329 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:45,119 this program, this particular news item, but also that comes 330 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,519 up on retro Spectrum Radio with Polly C. Of course, 331 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:51,480 if you don't know, I'm also Polly C's co host 332 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:55,440 on Friday nights on retro Spectrum Radio here at WMNH. 333 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 12: And we've done a number. 334 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,079 Speaker 11: Of shows now that Paul put together on that show 335 00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:06,559 where we talk about plagiarism and artists suing other artists 336 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,920 for plagiarism. In fact, we've done a couple of episodes 337 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,880 entirely dedicated to led Zeppelin, the most plagiaristic. Don't get 338 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,000 me wrong, I'm a fan, but the most plagiaristic band 339 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680 and music history. They've they even stole a song. Not 340 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,480 only did they steal from a lot of blues artists, 341 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,759 they even stole a song from Joan Bias. Yeah, it's wild. 342 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,440 So you know, you can go back and check those out. 343 00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,119 And by the way, so when we're on when we 344 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,440 do these shows on Retrospectrum Radio, you know, we'll all 345 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,640 kind of put our two cents in. Okay, is this 346 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:42,200 a plagiarism or or is this someone making a false accusation? 347 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,559 Is this particular song not plagiarized? 348 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,319 Speaker 15: You know? 349 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,559 Speaker 11: And I'm I'm the most lenient when it comes to that. 350 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,119 I'm usually the first one to say, not guilty. I 351 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,880 don't think this particular instance is an act of plagiarism 352 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,880 because I just I look at it as there are 353 00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:05,279 certain chord progressions that are just very common throughout pop music, 354 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,720 and certain lyrical themes of course, and lyrical themes is 355 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,319 gonna that's gonna play a part in what we're about 356 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,839 to talk about this particular lawsuit and controversy. Certain lyrical 357 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,839 themes that are very common, you know, so, uh so 358 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:23,000 I'm I'm the least likely to say guilty. I think 359 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,039 that this person committed plagiarism. I mean, there's some instances 360 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:29,759 that are just undeniable, like like when led Zeppelin stole 361 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:32,880 all that music from those old blues artists, which they 362 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,480 have been sued for in some instances successfully, in some 363 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,839 instances not so much. 364 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 12: But hm. 365 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 11: But this one, the particular one, and this one we 366 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000 have not talked about on Retrospectrum Radio because this is 367 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,599 something recent and we wouldn't on that show. We wouldn't 368 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,240 talk about something as recent as this. But some of 369 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,519 you may have heard, of course about the Miley cyrus 370 00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:58,599 Her song Flowers being sued by not actually by Bruno 371 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,680 Mars directly, but by people who own a stake in 372 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,559 the Bruno Mars song When. 373 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 12: I Was Your Man. 374 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,519 Speaker 11: And this one, this particular instance of someone claiming copyright infringement, 375 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,079 this particular one drives me nuts. 376 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,039 Speaker 12: This one is really a. 377 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 11: Reach, in my opinion. What do you what do you think, Jenny, 378 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,359 do do you think this one's yeah, this one, this 379 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,519 one's a stretch. So this is frivolous, now, Jenny, Jenny 380 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,559 found something that will give us an update on what's 381 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:30,599 going on with this. But for those who don't know 382 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,240 about this, yeah, this is frivolous, all right. So this 383 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,119 is I've got an article here from Forbes that I 384 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,440 think is the best explainer of what the initial lawsuit 385 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:45,400 is about. Miley Cyrus tries uh tries getting suit that 386 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,799 claims Flowers copied a Bruno Mars song dismissed. So this 387 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,839 article is from last year, but it uh, and there 388 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,599 have been multiple attempts, by the way to get this 389 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,519 lawsuit thrown out. And I think it should be thrown 390 00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,359 out because I think it's ridiculous. But you know, and 391 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,559 I'm not you know, I don't have any personal stake 392 00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:03,720 in this. 393 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:04,119 Speaker 12: By the way. 394 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 11: I'm not particularly a fan of either artist. I respect 395 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,839 them both tremendously, of course. Miley Cyrus is an incredible 396 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,200 singer and I certainly and Bruno Mars, you know, I 397 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,440 respect as a singer and a songwriter and whatnot. I'm 398 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,759 just neither of them have really put out anything that 399 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:22,839 I personally am that into. But but I do, uh, 400 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,160 but I respect them, of course. But here's so this 401 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:30,000 is the explainer from Forbes. Okay, attorney's representing singer Miley 402 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,519 Cyrus filed the motion in LA Federal Court to dismiss 403 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:37,200 a lawsuit claiming that her song Flowers lifts lyrics and 404 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,640 melodies from the twenty thirteen Bruno Mars song When I 405 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,599 Was Your Man, arguing the lawsuit should be tossed because 406 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,359 it only represents one of the songs for writers and 407 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,480 not Bruno Mars himself, So it's not Bruno Mars. Bruno 408 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,359 Mars is not the one bringing the lawsuit himself, but 409 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,640 it involves his song when I Was Your Man. 410 00:32:58,599 --> 00:32:59,799 Speaker 5: When I Was Your Man? Is that what it's called. 411 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 11: I'm so not a fan of I don't like the 412 00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,599 song to begin with When I Was Your Man? Yet, 413 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:08,720 I don't like the song to begin with but anyway, 414 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,319 so here are some key facts. Cyrus's attorneys argue the 415 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:16,519 company that filed the lawsuit, Tempo Music Investments and investment 416 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:19,480 group that has acquired the rights to various artists catalogs, 417 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,799 does not have standing to sue because it only owns 418 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:25,319 a portion of the rights to the song. Temple Music 419 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:30,160 previously acquired the rights to songwriter Philip Lawrence's catalog, so 420 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,200 he's one of the writers of the song. Cyrus's attorneys 421 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,920 say the Copyright Act only permits quote a legal or 422 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,039 beneficial owner of an exclusive copyright unquote to sue for infringement. So, 423 00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:46,240 in other words, they're saying that the people bringing the lawsuit, 424 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,359 they have not been harmed in any way, this doesn't 425 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,920 affect them, and so forth. I'm kind of skipping through 426 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,160 this because I want to get to the part where 427 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,720 it explains why the suit itself is silly. Okay, So, 428 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:04,279 Cyrus's attorneys claim the two songs have quote striking differences 429 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:08,599 in melody, chords, other musical elements and words unquote, stating 430 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:14,400 the plaintiff's claim the songs share quote musical building blocks unquote, 431 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,360 including some chords and pitches, would not be protected by 432 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,280 copyright law. So, in other words, Marie Cyrus's lawyers are saying, 433 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:30,000 the two songs are really different. So, you know it, again, 434 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,199 it's a reach to suggest that there's a claim here 435 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,639 of any kind is really a stretch, and we'll get 436 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,280 into a little bit more of that in a moment, but. 437 00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 12: Okay. 438 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,079 Speaker 11: Forbes has reached out to Cyrus's lawyers and Tempo Music 439 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:51,360 Investments for comment. Tempo Music Investments sued Cyrus, as well 440 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:57,320 as companies that says distributed the song Flowers, including Sony Music, Apple, Target, 441 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:03,199 and Walmart, alleging copyright in infringement. The lawsuit alleged the 442 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:09,360 song Flowers would not exist without the exploitation of Mars's 443 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:14,480 song um quote. Any fan of Bruno Mars's song When 444 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:18,639 I Was Your Man knows that my Resyrus's Flowers did 445 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,559 not achieve all of that success on its own unquote. 446 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,559 The lawsuit states, alleging that Flowers lifts quote numerous melodic, 447 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:32,559 harmonic and lyrical elements of When I Was Your Man unquote. 448 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,000 So here's the heart of the matter. The chorus of 449 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:41,599 Flowers does appear to lift some of these statements. In 450 00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,840 the chorus of When I Was Your Man. In Flowers 451 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,880 an Ode to Independence, Cyrus sings, quote, I can buy 452 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,760 myself flowers, write my name in the sand, talk to 453 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,239 myself for hours, say things you don't understand. I can 454 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,360 take myself dancing, I can hold my own hand unquote. 455 00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,599 In the Bruno Mars song about a man expressing regret 456 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,559 for failing to treat his lover well, he sings quote, 457 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:12,159 I should have bought you flowers and held your hand. 458 00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,519 Should have gave you all my hours when I had 459 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,039 the chance take you to every party because all you 460 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,280 wanted to do was dance unquote. Now let me just 461 00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:31,599 stop here for a moment. Obviously, Yes, the song, the 462 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,159 lyrics of the song that I mean, you could make 463 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,159 this argument. The lyrics of the song Flowers by Miley 464 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,519 Cyrus do seem to be what I would say. 465 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,119 Speaker 12: And we talked about this in the car. 466 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,519 Speaker 11: It's a direct response to the Bruno Mars song. Yes, 467 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,239 that's not copyright infringement. That is referencing somebody else's creative work, 468 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,519 referring to it. That's not the same thing as lifting 469 00:36:58,679 --> 00:36:59,679 elements from it. 470 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 5: If this is allowed to if if this case prevails, 471 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:10,360 it changes everything. You can't talk about anybody anymore. You 472 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,039 can't say anybody else's name. 473 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,639 Speaker 11: Maybe you can't write. Maybe you can't write songs about 474 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:19,800 flowers because because Bruno Mars had a song that mentioned flowers. 475 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:24,079 Speaker 5: Artists mentioned each other in songs all the time, you know, 476 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,159 and play off of each other, sometimes good, sometimes bad. 477 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,599 Speaker 12: Yeah, there's you know, like there's tons of other rappers. 478 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,519 Well yeah, of course, so all. 479 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,519 Speaker 5: Rappers will get Dude, who listed another rapper in their song, 480 00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:37,480 because that happens a lot. 481 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,039 Speaker 12: There's tons of examples of this in pop history. 482 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 11: You know, I don't think you know when when Leonard 483 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,000 Skinnyard mentions in Sweet Home, Alabama. You know, I hope 484 00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,639 Neil Neil Young will remember the Southern Man don't need 485 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,480 him around anyhow, you know, A direct response to Neil 486 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:56,000 Young song Southern Man, Neil Young didn't sue them, say, oh, 487 00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:59,320 they they referenced my song. I'm gonna sue them, you know, 488 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,679 I mean, and now a very direct response that was 489 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,519 that was clear and unambiguous. Granted it was a they 490 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,760 had a rivalry, but it was a friendly rivalry that 491 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,519 there was a lot of mutual respect. But but but 492 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,360 but but that's or or when uh in Surrender? When 493 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,119 uh a cheap trick? 494 00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 12: They actually mentioned kiss by name, you know, in the 495 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,559 song surrender. 496 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 5: But well, like we were talking in the car. Tori 497 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:28,519 Amos and Trent Wesner have referenced each other in various 498 00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,880 ways in seeing each other's song lyrics and or topics. 499 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,519 There's a one of Tory's songs mentions nine inch Nails, 500 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,800 but it's it's it's in, It's in reverence of one another. 501 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,400 It's not even it's nothing bad. But one of the 502 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,559 caveats about this case that I want to point out 503 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,719 is that the person that is suing bought this half 504 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,199 of the song as part of a catalog package. They 505 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,679 weren't even in the picture when the song was created. 506 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,440 They had nothing to do with. 507 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 12: It right to do it? Well, that's right. 508 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,039 Speaker 5: They're not a co writer, writ nobody. They bought the catalogs, 509 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,719 so now they own half the rights of this song, 510 00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,320 and they're looking for a quick, get rich quick scheme. 511 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,480 It's scammy use of the chords. It's totally frivolous, and 512 00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:19,760 it should be thrown out with prejudice. In my opinion, 513 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:21,239 I thought that's not what happened. 514 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 12: Yeah, it also says here. 515 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 11: Cyrus released Flowers in January twenty twenty three, and it 516 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,199 became one of the year's biggest hits. Flowers has been 517 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,840 streamed more than two billion times on Spotify and won 518 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,320 Cyrus two Grammy Awards for Record of the Year and 519 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,320 Best Pop Solo Performance. When Cyrus released Flowers, fans noticed 520 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,559 the similarities between the two songs, even causing When I 521 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,679 Was Your Man to rise in. 522 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 12: Streams Billboard reported. 523 00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 5: So it made the money, made the song more. 524 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 11: I actually made the song more. It made the song 525 00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,960 it refers to more pot And When I Was Your 526 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,320 Man was already a huge hit. I just know that 527 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,400 because I just remember hearing it a lot. But yeah, 528 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,960 so it actually helped. It actually helped give When I 529 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:10,599 Was Your Man a boost. So so again it's this, 530 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:17,639 you know, this is all very silly. Let's see Billboard. Okay, 531 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,840 Vanderbilt Law School again. This is from the Forbes article. 532 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,760 Vanderbilt Law School music law professor Joseph Fishman told Billboard 533 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:29,719 Cyrus should not need to credit Mars and the other 534 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,079 When I Was Your Man songwriters, despite the similar lyrics. 535 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,519 Even if the chorus of Flowers is deliberately a response 536 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,199 to Mars's song, because it does not appear to sample 537 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,599 or interpolate the song's melodies. Quote using one song to 538 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,039 issue a retort to an earlier song is not, by 539 00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:52,639 itself infringement. John Mayer and Taylor Swift don't need to 540 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,039 cross license everything when they write songs at each other. 541 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,280 When I Was Your Man peaked at number one on 542 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,119 the Billboard Hot one hundred and twenty thirteen and earned 543 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,639 Mars a Grammy nomination. 544 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 12: So that's. 545 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,599 Speaker 11: That's where we are with with So that's what the 546 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,000 suit is over and by the way, so the songs 547 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,239 themselves don't sound anything alike. I will just pull up 548 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,840 uh you know what, I'll play each of these just 549 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,000 like to the chorus so you can hear. Oh maybe 550 00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,760 I can even find well, sorry, let me turn your 551 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,159 mic back on. 552 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:31,679 Speaker 12: What's that? 553 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 5: They're not similar? No, they're not similar. The only similarity 554 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,639 is the mutual reference, you know. Right, he's singing, I'm 555 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,880 gonna buy I should have bought you flowers. She's singing, 556 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,159 I can buy myself flowers. It's just a woman's response. Yeah, 557 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,039 and I think it's a great response. I think it's 558 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:50,800 a great song. 559 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,679 Speaker 12: Yeah, in that regard. 560 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 5: In that regard, right, does it matter? But this lawsuit 561 00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:03,280 is just somebody trying to get with you. Oh yeah, 562 00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,079 off of other people's work. 563 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,159 Speaker 12: I found something here on YouTube that kind of compares 564 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:09,880 that kind of compares them. What's up? 565 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 11: Let me play this just just for for anyone who uh, 566 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:14,920 you know, if you don't know the songs, and then 567 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,320 you can make your own judgment here. 568 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,760 Speaker 12: But this is this is short, but it's a short 569 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,079 dot comparison. 570 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,280 Speaker 5: To your too to relad we were good. 571 00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:34,039 Speaker 15: We were good kind of dream that can't be so 572 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:41,079 we were right until we weren't build a home and. 573 00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:42,679 Speaker 1: Wash it burns. 574 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 5: I should have bought your flowers. 575 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 18: Dug and bomus of flowers, roll my name and sing, shout. 576 00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 5: A gig of armor. 577 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 18: With the heads and again, oh mynya. 578 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can love me better. 579 00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 15: You can't let me take it, everybody because you don't 580 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:17,800 want her to. 581 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: Do with us. I can take myself, Patsy, I'm not again. 582 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 5: She stars with another move. 583 00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 13: I didn't want to leave. 584 00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:36,320 Speaker 18: I didn't want to lie, so ied God. 585 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:43,760 Speaker 15: But remember, yeah, I can love me bitter, And yeah, 586 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,599 I can love me bitter. 587 00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 5: You can't. 588 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: With you, I can. 589 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,519 Speaker 11: Okay, So there you go. There's a comparison, a side 590 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,679 by side, the comparison to some of the parts of 591 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,480 each song. Yeah, completely different. I mean again, one is 592 00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:18,559 referencing the other, but they're they're very different. They're they're 593 00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:20,000 different in vibe and style. 594 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,039 Speaker 5: If you can sue from a reference like that, then 595 00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:24,960 everything about music changes. 596 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 12: Yeah, in every genre. 597 00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,039 Speaker 5: Well it's like it's it's just too much. Well, it's 598 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,599 like the the well, you have a sentence like that's 599 00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:34,760 similar to my sentence, So now I can sue you. 600 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's uh. 601 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,119 Speaker 11: And again you could say the melodies, the melodies are 602 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,840 vaguely similar, but again there are certain there are just 603 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,880 certain chord progressions and melodies as well as lyrical themes 604 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,239 that are just they're really common. And you know a 605 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,400 great example of that. And and Tom Petty, I think, 606 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,760 had the right a attitude about this. If you're you 607 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,440 know the song Danny California by the Chili Peppers, not 608 00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:06,960 Chili Peppers, that's my favorite Chili Pepper song. I always 609 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,000 love that song. But when that song came out, people 610 00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:13,960 noticed something about it. The not in the verses, but 611 00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:20,639 the chorus is exactly the same as Last Dance with 612 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,880 Mary Jane. Oh no, I'm sorry, not the chorus, the verses. 613 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,719 I have it backward. The verses are the same as 614 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,320 Last Dance with Mary Jane by Tom Petty. Yeah, it's 615 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,840 the exact same chord progression. It's even the same tempo, 616 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:34,159 Like you could graft one onto the other. It's exactly 617 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:41,079 the same. And somebody asked Tom Petty in an interview, Uh, 618 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,679 some I think it was a radio DJ asked him, 619 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,679 or might have been in Rolling Stone, but somebody asked 620 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,119 him because people were noticing this, you know, are you 621 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,000 are you upset with the Chili Peppers? 622 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 12: I don't know you. 623 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 11: Are you gonna sue them for stealing your song or 624 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,199 something like that? And he said his response, which I 625 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,639 thought was perfect, he said, well, if they stole it, 626 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,760 they didn't steal it from me. They stole it from 627 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,960 who from whoever I stole it from, because that chord 628 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,920 progression is just very common. It's it's not it's not 629 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,800 an original courd. 630 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 19: You know. 631 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,119 Speaker 11: He's like, I didn't write that chord progression. Somebody somebody did. 632 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,079 I don't know who, but I heard it somewhere. Well yeah, 633 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,119 And and he was right. He was right to say 634 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:25,519 that it's a very common chord progression. So so that 635 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,559 so he had the right attitude about it. But what 636 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:33,119 I'm also thinking about, too is who's the guy oh, 637 00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,000 I forget his name now, British guy with red hair. 638 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,159 He's got a bunch of hits ed Oh ed Sharon 639 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,360 when they tried to sue Ed Sharon, claiming what's the 640 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,239 name of that song? I'll be loving you? I don't know, 641 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,000 the actual name is there, I'll Be Loving You when 642 00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:51,119 We're seventy or something, and I hate that song. But 643 00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,760 but they tried to sue him, saying that because it 644 00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:56,760 had a similar vibe to Let's Get. 645 00:46:56,599 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 12: It On by Marvin Gay. 646 00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was you know, in terms 647 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,800 of the production of the song, it sounded similar to 648 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,280 Let's get It On. And but he's been sued a 649 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,119 few times too, and he never backs down to his credit, 650 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,639 you know, he never settles, because again that's a that's 651 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,719 another example of a very frivolous lawsuit. It's like, okay, 652 00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:22,599 you can sue somebody because the vibe of the production. 653 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 12: Style of their song is similar. Wow, like that the 654 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,440 can of worms that would open up. 655 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 5: So it's not right they walk away with money. 656 00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:41,119 Speaker 12: Yeah, so so it's not right. 657 00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 11: By the way, I think, while we're at it, I 658 00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,679 think it would be interesting I want to see just 659 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:54,280 quickly example of examples of songs that reference other songs, 660 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,400 because again, what we're talking about with the Bruno Mars 661 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,519 Miley Cyrus thing is, you know, we gave some examples before, 662 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,159 like Cheap Trick referencing kiss or Leonard Skinnard referencing Neil Young. 663 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,679 Let's see, I just did a quick search. So here's 664 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,719 some more examples. It's My Life by bon Jovie references 665 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,280 Frank Sinatra's My Way, Yes Absolutely, thunder Road by Bruce 666 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,960 Springsteen mentions Roy Orbison, Come Together by The Beatles, uses 667 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:35,119 lyrics from Chuck berrys you Can't Catch Me. See if 668 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:36,519 I can find some more examples here. I think this 669 00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:44,480 is so anyway, this is very very common. Let's see 670 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:50,000 songs that reference other songs. I'm trying to find, like 671 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,519 like one list that's all in one place, songs I 672 00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:57,559 mentioned other songs. 673 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,159 Speaker 5: Oh, there's a lot of songs that mentioned other people's names, 674 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:06,800 and the list is never ending. 675 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:15,639 Speaker 11: Tom Petty's Running Down a Dream mentions the Dell Shannon 676 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:22,599 song little Runaway, Runaway. Yeah, there's there's a there's a 677 00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,559 bunch of different lists here. I was looking for one 678 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:31,039 definitive list, but that's okay. Well we'll leave that part alone. 679 00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,039 But anyway, there's there are many examples. Oh wait a minute, 680 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:42,159 I might have found something here. There's some artists here 681 00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:46,079 who are more obscure, like Nick Lowe. I mean, you know, 682 00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,960 people who are really into indie music. No Nick Lowe. 683 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,840 He has a song called All Men Are Liars, which 684 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,719 apparently directly references Rick Astley's Never Going to Give You Up. 685 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,719 That one's kind of interesting. 686 00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,320 Speaker 12: Yeah, that is. It's funny. That is funny. 687 00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:05,039 Speaker 11: But yeah, so I hope. So the latest on that 688 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,199 you had the story? The update, There was an update 689 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,320 from just a few days ago. 690 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,079 Speaker 12: Let me see if I can. 691 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,599 Speaker 11: Yeah, the basic gist of it is that they're still 692 00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:16,679 trying to get it thrown out. 693 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,800 Speaker 5: Well they had tried, Yes, they were trying to get 694 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,000 it thrown out, but it was denied. Yeah, it was 695 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,079 trying to get a toss it was denied. 696 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,760 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's from Fox Business. 697 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,119 Speaker 9: Has this. 698 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,679 Speaker 11: Judge denies Miley Cyrus's attempt to dismiss lawsuit comparing Flowers 699 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,320 to Bruno Mars song. Temple Music and Miley Cyrus in 700 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,280 September sued Miley Cyrus in September for similarities between the songs. 701 00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:41,039 Says here, a judge denied Cyrus's attempt to throw out 702 00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:45,639 copyright lawsuit against a pop star. Temple Music Investments lawsuit 703 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,880 against Cyrus alleging similarities between her Grammy winning song Flowers 704 00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:51,760 and Bruno Mars is when I was your man. 705 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 12: We'll move forward. 706 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,519 Speaker 11: After Judge Dan D. Pregeron Pregerson rather denied her request. Tuesday, 707 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,840 Business can confirm Tempo Music acquired the rights to the 708 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,159 song after buying the catalog of Philip Lawrence, a co 709 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,800 author of the song. By the way, Yeah, and it 710 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,800 just goes on basically this. Uh, this dismissal failed. But 711 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,280 I'm wondering too this. I didn't think to look at 712 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,280 this for until now. Bruno Mars has Bruno Mars commented 713 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,039 on this. Bruno Mars himself. Let's see, Brun I didn't 714 00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:38,760 Tha doesn't look like he has Kenny can he say anything? 715 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,800 Speaker 12: Well, maybe not, maybe it's better. 716 00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,119 Speaker 11: Oh you know what, I don't think he actually has 717 00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:50,320 a writing credit on it, so he yeah, so so 718 00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:52,920 it actually doesn't involve him in a sense. 719 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,280 Speaker 5: But they're just using his name because he sings the song. 720 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,840 Everybody knows it. So now everybody thinks he's suing. 721 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,199 Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's not the case. 722 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,199 Speaker 11: Now there's an article here also, this is from Billboard, 723 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,519 but this is twenty twenty three. This was before the 724 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:12,840 lawsuit started. This is called why Miley Cyrus Flowers doesn't 725 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:19,119 need to credit Bruno Mars yeah, that's a large, long 726 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,559 article though we don't have time. But anyway, Yeah, so 727 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,400 we're in agreement. 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