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Speaker 2: we're having some fun. Been a busy show, been a
Speaker 2: little bit of a different show as far as just
Speaker 2: I feel like, I don't know, whenever we had Jay
Speaker 2: Williams on, I kind of felt like it just turned
Speaker 2: and it's something I chose to do. I mean, I
Speaker 2: could have told him, hey, we only have like ten minutes,
Speaker 2: but I figured, you know, why not just run through
Speaker 2: the top of the four o'clock hour and keep that
Speaker 2: thing going as long as we can. And I thought
Speaker 2: it was worthwhile. But it certainly did throw some things
Speaker 2: off because now I realize we've got less than an
Speaker 2: hour left, and there's still a lot of things that
Speaker 2: I want to get into that we haven't yet. But
Speaker 2: the biggest, I guess, the most consistent thing I'm hearing
Speaker 2: from folks that listen to our conversation with Jay Williams
Speaker 2: Austin is that he was you know, it was a
Speaker 2: conversation and what he said is true and I'm guilty
Speaker 2: of it, like I did it, and I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not you know, I'm not bending the knee here to
Speaker 2: like kiss his ass. But I know that he did,
Speaker 2: in fact on a game and that's what I was
Speaker 2: going to and he knew exactly what I was talking about.
Speaker 2: And I think him wanting to come on after I
Speaker 2: said that kind of does show that, like he realizes
Speaker 2: that he did at one point gas light louisvill fans,
Speaker 2: and he explained he was hearing stuff from Nolan Smith,
Speaker 2: and you know, then he would talk to other people
Speaker 2: and then you know, relationships are really important, but you're
Speaker 2: going to utilize your relationships to try to make yourself
Speaker 2: look better, to try to benefit you. And I think, sure,
Speaker 2: I think those two probably have a good relationship, meaning
Speaker 2: Nolan and Jay, And I mean he kind of realized,
Speaker 2: all right, that's that side of it. Let me get
Speaker 2: the different perspective. And then by the next year, meaning
Speaker 2: year two of the Kpira, Jay was one of one
Speaker 2: of the guys that was just flat out saying like,
Speaker 2: look like this is this is unacceptable, Like shouldn't be
Speaker 2: in this position, this is sad, and I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: again like he played out kind of the way that
Speaker 2: I wanted it to because he was on a call
Speaker 2: on the game and that's when it was like he
Speaker 2: just started the game telling Louisville fans to chill out
Speaker 2: and be patient and don't and understand what Kenny inherited.
Speaker 2: And it just, you know, that's the last thing people
Speaker 2: wanted to hear because that at that time, it was
Speaker 2: quite clear that you know, nobody was asking you to
Speaker 2: go to the tournament in your first year. We were
Speaker 2: wanting you to, you know, maybe not be the biggest
Speaker 2: embarrassment in college basketball, which they were. So he brought
Speaker 2: that up, which kind of confirmed that, Like there was
Speaker 2: a game and he knew it. And then he also
Speaker 2: said something that I knew had happened, but I didn't
Speaker 2: know if he would go there when he would when
Speaker 2: he did say like what he thought about, you know,
Speaker 2: about what was going on, it was either halftime or
Speaker 2: right after the uku BO game nded last year, and
Speaker 2: it was just so embarrassing. It was basically blew out
Speaker 2: in our own arena, and Kenny Payne didn't want to
Speaker 2: win because you know, he's going up against his boss Caliperi,
Speaker 2: and Seth Greenberg had an issue with what Jay was
Speaker 2: saying because Seth Greenberg is insanely I mean, I think
Speaker 2: he's I mean, I think he's obsessed with John cal
Speaker 2: Perry and because of that, he's going to always defend
Speaker 2: Kenny because Kenny's cal Perry's got. Yeah, like Greenberg won't
Speaker 2: acknowledge the first of all, he's just he's just kind
Speaker 2: of an old, crotchety guy now that like doesn't understand. Look,
Speaker 2: I know you don't like the portal, but like apparently,
Speaker 2: and I heard this for some folks that were well,
Speaker 2: I won't tell you, Greenberg doesn't like when guys are
Speaker 2: playing and they're in a good spot and they transfer
Speaker 2: like Chucky was playing a lot, was gonna have a
Speaker 2: big role at Wisconsin. And by the way, Wisconsin's doing
Speaker 2: fine without him, Like they're doing really well. But like
Speaker 2: he's he's what Chucky did. The kind of guys that
Speaker 2: Seth Greenberg apparently really doesn't like as far as just like, hey,
Speaker 2: you were already at a high level. You know, they
Speaker 2: invested in you, you probably had an il and you left,
Speaker 2: which again, like you can cry about it, but like
Speaker 2: that's the new world, that's where we are. So you know,
Speaker 2: he's going to pooh pooh a lot of the Kentucky
Speaker 2: success this year, I'm sure, because he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: go against cal He's going to probably not in them.
Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe there's not a whole lot of great
Speaker 2: success from the Louisville side, But like he's going to
Speaker 2: be less complimentary than the other guys because he's letting
Speaker 2: his friendships with Calipari and Kenny Payne get in the way.
Speaker 2: And you know, he's a former coach, he knows basketball,
Speaker 2: but to me, he seems like somebody that like is
Speaker 2: I mean that at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 2: all entertainment and maybe people are entertained by this, but
Speaker 2: what is the value of a analyst, a guy who
Speaker 2: coached basketball at a high level. You would think that
Speaker 2: you're bringing him there to give you perspective and insight
Speaker 2: that you can't get elsewhere because they've been they've been
Speaker 2: in the game, right, What value do they bring though
Speaker 2: if they won't acknowledge reality because they're still like living
Speaker 2: in the world as a coach and not somebody that
Speaker 2: has paid a lot of money to share opinions and
Speaker 2: be honest and be real. Like there are certain people
Speaker 2: that cover the game of college hoops that refuse to
Speaker 2: Criticiz as any coach for I guess reasons I don't know.
Speaker 2: But then there's some that have relationships, maybe because they
Speaker 2: used to work with them as coaches, or maybe they
Speaker 2: just know them really well. Like for example, Jeff Goodman
Speaker 2: is phenomenal as a college basketball insider, meaning he has
Speaker 2: built a reputation as one of the best in the game,
Speaker 2: in fact, the best when it comes to getting access
Speaker 2: to information. He's probably the lead guy him or no joke,
Speaker 2: Trillie Donovan. Those are two guys that I think right
Speaker 2: now when it comes or Matt Norland I might no
Speaker 2: onm that are really shined during this last coaching season,
Speaker 2: coaching changed because he was he was the guy that
Speaker 2: scooped a lot of stuff. So my point is this,
Speaker 2: like Goodman's great, Goodman is way too close to Bill self.
Speaker 2: He will say things about any coach, but he won't
Speaker 2: go past a certain point of Bill's self because they
Speaker 2: are very very close. So like I just think if
Speaker 2: you're somebody that is not there to break news, which
Speaker 2: Greenberg is not, but you're there to again like you're
Speaker 2: Lane is hey, you can talk exes and o's above.
Speaker 2: A lot of our heads tell us basketball, Well, don't
Speaker 2: tell us that a coach who sucks, who doesn't win
Speaker 2: games and is underwhelm Like, don't tell us that, like
Speaker 2: it's not raining when we're getting drenched, like you know,
Speaker 2: like it just there's no value there. So Anyways, the
Speaker 2: people that have responded to the Jay Williams interview have
Speaker 2: most of them consistently said, like I'm one, they were
Speaker 2: mad that we didn't like just yell at him. I
Speaker 2: don't know why we would do that, what would be
Speaker 2: benefit from that? Or they're saying like that was actually
Speaker 2: pretty good, like he explained himself and I did. I
Speaker 2: got Look, I got triggered by him giving Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: credit for what he inherited whenever Pat really did and
Speaker 2: walk into nothing and what did he do? Built the team,
Speaker 2: got the fan base engaged, and Kenny Payne got here
Speaker 2: and felt like a victim, like don't treat those two
Speaker 2: things the same. And that's what got me to fire
Speaker 2: off on Twitter at him, and you know that led
Speaker 2: to him being on the show. But I have Corey
Speaker 2: Alexander was the worst, Like just literally thinking Louisville was
Speaker 2: the problem, not Kenny Payne. And that's just an asinine
Speaker 2: thing that I refuse to believe that he actually believes.
Speaker 2: But we'll move on. Thanks thanks to Jay Williams for
Speaker 2: coming on the show. You guys can check it out
Speaker 2: on the podcast if you didn't didn't get to hear it.
Speaker 2: All right, So what I want to do in the
Speaker 2: rest of the time that we have here little moral
Speaker 2: reaction on what happened with the Louisville last night, Little
Speaker 2: more reaction on what happened with Kentucky last night. The
Speaker 2: college football playoff rankings, early names in the portal. And
Speaker 2: there's something else. Oh, some texts that came in. Then
Speaker 2: I want to get to So I got about forty
Speaker 2: five minutes, and I don't know if we can squeeze
Speaker 2: it all in, but I'm certainly going to try. I'll
Speaker 2: start with kind of resetting my thoughts on what happened
Speaker 2: last night. You're not going to beat many teams when
Speaker 2: you shoot five of thirty from three. You are built
Speaker 2: pre injury to be a team to where your ceiling
Speaker 2: is its highest when you're making three point shots, and
Speaker 2: they are a really bad three point shooting team. Pat Kelsey,
Speaker 2: he did it last night once again, and I get it.
Speaker 2: He's going to continue to mention that the last thing
Speaker 2: he's worried about. I think he said this exact thing twice. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm not losing any sleeve worried about these guys making shots. Hey,
Speaker 2: losing sleepover ain't gonna help anything. But I can tell
Speaker 2: you they're not making shots, bro, Like, that's just not happening.
Speaker 2: And him saying that is to continue to give them confidence.
Speaker 2: The second he starts talking about, hey, maybe we shouldn't
Speaker 2: continue to do what we've been working on since I
Speaker 2: got here and since you guys got here, Like that
Speaker 2: may rattle their confidence, but their confidence is already shot
Speaker 2: because now they're pressing. They know that Louisville's success is
Speaker 2: dependent upon getting good looks and knocking them down, and
Speaker 2: they're not doing it. And I think having them continue
Speaker 2: to just fire them up is becoming more of a
Speaker 2: mental thing than anything else. So I don't think you're
Speaker 2: going to see a complete recreation of what this team's
Speaker 2: going to do. But I was happy to hear him
Speaker 2: mention that, you know that they're now trying to figure
Speaker 2: out who they are with the loss of three guys
Speaker 2: that are all that we're all supposed to be very
Speaker 2: critical to what you're going to do, like Louisville, and
Speaker 2: this is just the way does it. I said this
Speaker 2: before anybody really got hurt, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: they have built a team. Pat's built a team that
Speaker 2: is way more dependent upon guys plugging into a role
Speaker 2: and just the system, the style working And that's okay.
Speaker 2: Like that. The Indiana game is the best example of
Speaker 2: how that'll work at a high level. Louisville had a
Speaker 2: lot of possessions. Indiana got sped up. They couldn't stop
Speaker 2: missing layups, couldn't stop turning it over. That is the
Speaker 2: best example I can give you as to how this
Speaker 2: can really work well. But other teams are gonna slow
Speaker 2: you down and actually try to prepare, Like Mike Woodson
Speaker 2: is just a buffoon. Like I don't know how he
Speaker 2: did not realize. All you got to do is just
Speaker 2: keep them from getting the pace at a really high,
Speaker 2: high level, and that means you're gonna beat them by
Speaker 2: any means. But like you, like Mike Woodson, tried to
Speaker 2: play Louisville at their game, and yes, Indiana is more talented,
Speaker 2: but Louisville clearly is way more built to do that
Speaker 2: than Indiana was. But I don't think you're gonna run
Speaker 2: into any coaches that are gonna do what Mike Woodson did.
Speaker 2: I think you're going to run into coaches that look
Speaker 2: at what Chris Beard did, look at Rick Barnes did,
Speaker 2: look at what Porter Moser did, and say, Okay, we
Speaker 2: may be able to beat him at their game. But
Speaker 2: here's what I do know. We're pretty comfortable in a slow,
Speaker 2: slower game where we can grind it out in the
Speaker 2: half court and really just get physical. That is not
Speaker 2: what they want to do. So let's do that. That'll
Speaker 2: be our best chance of winning. It just makes total sense.
Speaker 2: It's what good coaches do. So for Pat Kelsey, what
Speaker 2: I'm anxious to see is does he realize And I
Speaker 2: guess this is just my opinion. I can't say that
Speaker 2: it's a fact, but I do stand by this. You
Speaker 2: don't even have the bodies. You don't even have the
Speaker 2: ability to do what you wanted to do because you
Speaker 2: only have seven dudes. So if you're playing the same
Speaker 2: style and you want to do the same things with
Speaker 2: only seven guys. Like, it's not like for that to
Speaker 2: work you needed to rely on depth. You don't have
Speaker 2: depth anymore yet, seven dudes. So I mean, I just
Speaker 2: don't think it makes any sense to try to, you know,
Speaker 2: do the same thing you've been trying to do all year.
Speaker 2: Not because it's a flawed system, not because it's it's terrible,
Speaker 2: and it's not because you got to like admit that.
Speaker 2: It's not about even being stubborn. It's just like realizing, Okay,
Speaker 2: I am now so limited with bodies that I can't
Speaker 2: do what I want to do. So now we got
Speaker 2: to figure something out. And I think last night I'm
Speaker 2: paraphrasing here, but he essentially said, look, we got to
Speaker 2: we got to figure out what works. So you've got
Speaker 2: some guys that I think have some ability, but up
Speaker 2: until like recently, they've just been out there playing a role.
Speaker 2: Now you need to look at what they bring to
Speaker 2: the table as an individual player, Like Terrence Edwards has something.
Speaker 2: Now you've got to find a way to maximize whatever
Speaker 2: that is. He's not somebody that I think really was
Speaker 2: a great fit in the system anyway, but now you're
Speaker 2: limited and he's one of your better players. For better
Speaker 2: or worse, he just is so find something, find a formula,
Speaker 2: find a formulator where you can get something out of
Speaker 2: him that can make you a more competitive team. Empower Chuck.
Speaker 2: He have burned more than you already have. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get burned out, no doubt, and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: But it's your best offense when he's just running the show,
Speaker 2: either trying to create and score or maybe finding somebody.
Speaker 2: Like you don't like to see guys just go one
Speaker 2: on one and play hero ball, as people say, but
Speaker 2: I saw Chucky do it pretty effectively in the Bahamas.
Speaker 2: So you know, you don't want to run, you don't
Speaker 2: want to rely on him one hundred percent, but like
Speaker 2: he's your best option, he's your best player. It's not
Speaker 2: even close. And he tried at times to take over
Speaker 2: last night, and you know he just kind of ran
Speaker 2: out of gas a little bit. All missed it. A
Speaker 2: good job defending him, I think, and he needs to
Speaker 2: turn he like when he's got it rolling defensively and
Speaker 2: he's a pest and he's getting steals and he's just
Speaker 2: really causing havoc for the opposing backcourt. That's what generates
Speaker 2: him looking like one of the best guards in the country.
Speaker 2: He didn't get a steel last night, like ole Miss knew. Hey,
Speaker 2: let's like, let's let's keep this guy from really getting going.
Speaker 2: And I think in a weird way, like I think
Speaker 2: he becomes a guy that is oozing confidence, looking like
Speaker 2: one of the best players in the country when his
Speaker 2: defense gets it going first. And Olemiss didn't really let
Speaker 2: him do that last night, So credit to them. Can
Speaker 2: I russ true freshman, very raw, but he's got talent.
Speaker 2: I think you could find something there to wear. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's let's throw. Let's let's let's run some action to
Speaker 2: where we can maybe take advantage of his ability. Noah
Speaker 2: Waterman not making shots, but still if you get him
Speaker 2: certain looks, you know, history shows throughout his ten year
Speaker 2: college career. I'm exaggerating, He's been in college a long time,
Speaker 2: but like he's a better shooter than what we're seeing.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Noah is the one guy that
Speaker 2: I do believe. He's just not making shots right now
Speaker 2: and eventually the numbers are gonna even out. I do
Speaker 2: worry a little bit about how he's gained a lot
Speaker 2: of weight, and I'm not fact shaming by any means.
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying this as a factor. I know
Speaker 2: he added muscle. I know he had an injury at
Speaker 2: one point that maybe it led to him gaining some weight.
Speaker 2: But like whenever you're seeing a guy that you know
Speaker 2: can shoot it just really struggle like he has, you
Speaker 2: start to think about him. Can be No Waterman weigh
Speaker 2: two hundred ten pounds of BYU last year. No Waterman
Speaker 2: weihs two undred thirty pounds now, And I think a
Speaker 2: lot of that. No joke had somebody to reach out
Speaker 2: to me this morning and say, hey, you know, he
Speaker 2: did add a lot of muscle, and I believe that.
Speaker 2: But he's also like that with that added weight, regardless
Speaker 2: if it's just nothing but pure muscle and he's just
Speaker 2: looking like, you know, a shredded bodybuilder. If he's added
Speaker 2: that much weight, should you still expect him to be
Speaker 2: able to run the floor and knock down threes consistently?
Speaker 2: Like those are things that matter. It's probably something I'm overthinking,
Speaker 2: but I'm just trying to figure out why that guy
Speaker 2: because he's really keep in mind, Noah Waterman last year
Speaker 2: played for who Mark Pope. Mark Pope wants to do
Speaker 2: the same thing that Pat Kelsey does. So I just
Speaker 2: choose to believe that more than anything, he's just need
Speaker 2: he needs to just see some shots go in and
Speaker 2: he'll get hot. But I also think at times he's
Speaker 2: firing up shots that probably aren't great looks even if
Speaker 2: he is, you know, if any if he does to
Speaker 2: have some daylight, Like I wish Noah Waterman was a
Speaker 2: dude that like would realize, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be six ten and go push some guys around. And
Speaker 2: he's not a back to the basket like you know,
Speaker 2: post player per se, but like he can do something,
Speaker 2: he can create some He's a big dude. He's six ten,
Speaker 2: six eleven, two hundred and thirty pounds, so like maybe
Speaker 2: this is now archaic, but like he's the kind of
Speaker 2: guy that can absolutely get a bucket near the rim,
Speaker 2: get to the free throw line, and then I think
Speaker 2: that's when shots start falling for him. That's just rhythm
Speaker 2: of being a basketball player. But the other guys that
Speaker 2: I talked about this earlier, they can shoot. They did
Speaker 2: shoot thirty five to forty percent at their previous schools.
Speaker 2: But I just think expecting them to be able to
Speaker 2: shoot it at that exact same percentage or better when
Speaker 2: they're playing in a completely different system. It's it's the
Speaker 2: numbers from their previous school. I just don't think or
Speaker 2: that are that relevant to the situation. Like, you're not
Speaker 2: asking Terrence Edwards to do the same thing he was
Speaker 2: asked to do with James Madison. So yeah, he can
Speaker 2: make shots, but it was more just a component within
Speaker 2: what they do at James Madison or at Long Beach State,
Speaker 2: or at Washington or at you know, wherever. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's coincidence. The one guy that is shooting forty
Speaker 2: percent even after a two for eight night last night,
Speaker 2: is the guy that has played in this exact system
Speaker 2: for five years, Rain Smith, because he's comfortable. This is
Speaker 2: all he's done his whole college career. These other guys,
Speaker 2: their numbers are real, but I don't think it's crazy
Speaker 2: to expect those numbers to substantially drop when they're really
Speaker 2: doing a different job. They can make shots, but is
Speaker 2: that like, is that a weapon for them like it
Speaker 2: is Rain Smith? I don't think so. All right, quick break,
Speaker 2: we'll come back on the other side. I love that
Speaker 2: players are now calling out the college Football Selection Committee
Speaker 2: because players I think are making real points. Coaches are
Speaker 2: just you know, trying to dress up their resume and
Speaker 2: make it look better than it is. But we'll finish strong,
Speaker 2: at least we'll try to. I can't believe how fast
Speaker 2: the show's come by today. Let's get out of here.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop nerding out on you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get out of the weeds when it comes to just
Speaker 2: talking basketball. But I do want to give you an
Speaker 2: example that I think if you're a Louisville fan, it'll
Speaker 2: make a little sense as far as what I mean
Speaker 2: when it comes to these guys being able to shoot
Speaker 2: thirty five to forty percent from three at their previous
Speaker 2: score in a different system and them not being able
Speaker 2: to do it here with this system that Pat Kelsey has.
Speaker 2: Now again, I think all these guys are better shooters
Speaker 2: than the number show. Like these guys just can't buy
Speaker 2: a bucket. Last night, it was really tough to see.
Speaker 2: But like this is what I said after the game.
Speaker 2: They're a better shooting team than we saw last night.
Speaker 2: They're a better shooting team than the numbers show so
Speaker 2: far throughout the season. But how much better That's That's
Speaker 2: something that I'm a little bit worried about. But who
Speaker 2: remembers Steven Enoch? A big who is going to be forgotten?
Speaker 2: But man, he was a hell of a player, Oh
Speaker 2: I do. He was a hell of a player. Really,
Speaker 2: I mean, just one of the more physically imposing players
Speaker 2: that Louisville had, and he also had a really nice
Speaker 2: touch from three. Obviously, Chris Mack was much more of
Speaker 2: a of an offensively. He was much more of an
Speaker 2: old I don't I wouldn't even call it old school,
Speaker 2: but like it's not what Pat does. And when it
Speaker 2: comes to the offense, you know, at times, I think
Speaker 2: the offense under Mac was in a half court was
Speaker 2: you know, suspect, but they were they clearly at times
Speaker 2: had a real emphasis on feeding the post. And Enoch
Speaker 2: was was a guy that had some success here because
Speaker 2: he was just a tough cover, he had nice touch
Speaker 2: and he's big, but he also could knock down shots.
Speaker 2: So he shot thirty seven percent from three, I think
Speaker 2: it was and let's be real. He wasn't somebody that
Speaker 2: shot you know, ten a game like rain Smith. But
Speaker 2: he's shot enough. Like his numbers weren't, his percentages weren't
Speaker 2: misleading because like he only shot five of them, which
Speaker 2: sometimes that happens. However, think about what he would do
Speaker 2: in this system, Like, think about if he was somebody
Speaker 2: that's out there. Okay, here's what we gotta do. I
Speaker 2: gotta find a way to either, you know, get myself
Speaker 2: open with a good look within rhythm from three, or
Speaker 2: I gotta be moving constantly to get somebody else. Won
Speaker 2: I don't think you would expect him to shoot it
Speaker 2: the same way, right, because it was just a thing
Speaker 2: that he added, right, pick and pop. Yeah, you better
Speaker 2: come out and guard me because I can make this,
Speaker 2: you know, leave me open. I'm gonna knock it down.
Speaker 2: I've been able to really get what I want in
Speaker 2: the paint. So now I'm gonna step outside because you've
Speaker 2: you know, you started to double t me in the
Speaker 2: post where you're not gonna double team me from three,
Speaker 2: So let me step out and knock it down like that.
Speaker 2: That's that's more traditional. What we're seeing here is is
Speaker 2: a little bit different. And again I've tried my best
Speaker 2: to emphasize I am not saying in any way that
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey's wrong for his system and his style, because
Speaker 2: you know it can work. It's just now you really
Speaker 2: don't even have the ability to do what you want
Speaker 2: to do, not because it won't work, but because you
Speaker 2: don't have the pieces. You don't have you've lost so
Speaker 2: many guys injury. So I just wanted to give you
Speaker 2: a little bit of an example when it comes to like,
Speaker 2: being able to shoot a certain percentage from three in
Speaker 2: a certain system doesn't mean you're gonna be able to
Speaker 2: do with the same thing at at at a different
Speaker 2: in a different system like this one here.
Speaker 3: I will I'll go ahead and say, since we're bringing
Speaker 3: up old flings, just watching them last night, man, I
Speaker 3: would have loved Drey Davis on this squad.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, he was. I mean, I love Dre
Speaker 2: and I I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, he had a good game for him too.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he like he didn't want to leave
Speaker 2: initially here he found the perfect spot. I mean again,
Speaker 2: this goes back to I mean Drey Davis's brother Tay went.
Speaker 2: They both went to Seaton Hall initially Tay transferred to
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, but Tay had signed with Louisville as well
Speaker 2: while Dre was here. He signed with Chris Mack. And
Speaker 2: I mean I talked to to Tay and and and
Speaker 2: Dre and and their father at the time of the
Speaker 2: coaching change, and Kenny Pang got the job and just
Speaker 2: didn't do anything, like I didn't know that he had signed,
Speaker 2: and nobody reached out there, Like there was no conversation
Speaker 2: about like, hey, we're gonna honor your commitment, you can
Speaker 2: still stay here. Dre wanted to stay, and nobody talked
Speaker 2: to him like he's what he was saying. He read
Speaker 2: the room and said, I'm gonna leave now. I think
Speaker 2: eventually there was a conversation that took place, but it
Speaker 2: was way after he'd already entered the portal. So Tay
Speaker 2: released that I'm opening my recruitment, but I'm still considering
Speaker 2: Louisville if they want me, And like nobody talked to him,
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that would have changed anything, but
Speaker 2: like I love Dre drey Is. I said this yesterday
Speaker 2: we were talking with Seal Brown. Drey Davis is one
Speaker 2: of those guys that if if Chris Beard, Sheeen Holloway
Speaker 2: and really even Chris Mack too. If they could create
Speaker 2: a video game player, a player within a video game
Speaker 2: that like is the kind of guy they want as
Speaker 2: far as just toughness, physicality, work ethic, it's Dray Davis
Speaker 2: and he's I'm so. I actually talked to him a
Speaker 2: little bit last night after the game, reached out to
Speaker 2: him because Tom Dravi was here. Is when I actually
Speaker 2: was pretty embedded within the program and had you know,
Speaker 2: I had some access to things. Obviously people know my
Speaker 2: relationship with Chris mac but right I was so happy
Speaker 2: to see him succeed at Seaton Hall and then he
Speaker 2: hit the portal and I didn't have any idea where
Speaker 2: he'd end up, but man, him playing for Seen Holloway
Speaker 2: and Chris Beard, the guy knows where he fits. If
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, it works out well. And
Speaker 2: he went off last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a good game.
Speaker 2: Would have been even worse if he didn't get in
Speaker 2: foul trouble probably.
Speaker 3: And what he got a really good standing ovation. Everybody
Speaker 3: else got booed during the starting lineup, so when they
Speaker 3: announced Ray Davis, everybody gave him a good.
Speaker 2: Old, good good. He's a good dude man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They also really cheered once they announced his third foul
Speaker 3: and he is walking off the.
Speaker 2: Court because he was killing us. Yeah you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, he.
Speaker 3: Get eleven points at that at that time.
Speaker 2: Are we have some breaking news on the football side.
Speaker 2: Dane Key, Kentucky receiver has entered the portal. No clue
Speaker 2: where he's gonna end up, but he'll have a lot
Speaker 2: of options and he may be one of those guys.
Speaker 2: And look, he was good at Kentucky, but their offense stunk,
Speaker 2: so like he you know, hard if you're a receiver,
Speaker 2: why the hell would you want to play for an
Speaker 2: offense that was as bad as they were really the
Speaker 2: last couple of years. So I feel like he's got
Speaker 2: the best chance to go somewhere and make Mark Pope
Speaker 2: look even you know. Course, So anyways, uh, that is
Speaker 2: big news for Kentucky and it feel like the hits
Speaker 2: just keep getting Now what that said, they did sign
Speaker 2: a top twenty five class today, Kentucky did, and that
Speaker 2: has value. It's just you know, now you got to
Speaker 2: really go clean up in the portal, and maybe they
Speaker 2: end up doing that, but I feel like portal is
Speaker 2: going to be a lot of a lot of First
Speaker 2: of all, the portal is about money, like you need
Speaker 2: to go get guys. You need to have money to
Speaker 2: where you can go get players that everybody's competing for.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of factors when it comes to
Speaker 2: their decision. But let's not act like money is not
Speaker 2: a big one. But also another another factor is like momentum,
Speaker 2: like Kentucky's coming off their worst season in a long
Speaker 2: long time. Like the idea of a portal guy who
Speaker 2: has a lot of other good options picking Kentucky is
Speaker 2: just seems kind of unlikely, unless, of course you've got
Speaker 2: you know, money that others aren't willing to pay for
Speaker 2: those players. All right, real quick, on the Kentucky lost
Speaker 2: last night, it was nice to see them look a
Speaker 2: little more, you know, and they lost, and they didn't
Speaker 2: I mean, they have not looked perfect all year.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Their schedules set up to where they didn't play like
Speaker 2: worst teams ever, but like they played teams they beat
Speaker 2: up on that they were kind of supposed to do that,
Speaker 2: and they did get pushed around a little bit by
Speaker 2: Western Kentucky, and I think that kind of made it
Speaker 2: to where, all right, if you're gonna try to keep
Speaker 2: them from doing what they're doing. It's not necessarily just
Speaker 2: about slowing it down and limiting possessions. It's more so
Speaker 2: about just getting physical because they're they're they're bigger than
Speaker 2: Louisville is ball means, but they're bigs are kind of
Speaker 2: dare I say, Finesse Biggs. I mean, Amari Williams is
Speaker 2: a humongous guy, and he's a physical presence. But outside
Speaker 2: of him, you know, Andrew Carr is not a good defender,
Speaker 2: can get pushed around. And I'm not even really sure
Speaker 2: who else they have in the post outside of car
Speaker 2: and Williams. I feel like I'm blanking on Oh Garrison,
Speaker 2: but I mean I don't does he even play a
Speaker 2: lot like so For as a Louislle fan, who, of
Speaker 2: course once to see Consycle lose every game, it was
Speaker 2: nice to kind of see them look a little bit
Speaker 2: more beatable, and they did lose. I don't know how
Speaker 2: many losses they're gonna have the rest of the way,
Speaker 2: But as I said to start the show, you're gonna
Speaker 2: see opponents of both Louisville Kentucky emphasize the same thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna use the well, I'll use the
Speaker 2: word because I think you're gonna hear others say it,
Speaker 2: and I'm not ready to call it that, but gimmicky,
Speaker 2: this new modern basketball that is analytically driven, that is
Speaker 2: all about either getting good looks from three, or getting
Speaker 2: to the free throw on or getting shots around the
Speaker 2: rim like that, and it works. Man. If you can
Speaker 2: get you can build a roster that that has the
Speaker 2: personnel that really fits that, and you can dictate pace,
Speaker 2: you can win. And you gotta have talent. I mean again,
Speaker 2: you have the pieces. But as a basketball nerd, I
Speaker 2: knew that nato It's breaking through and making a Final
Speaker 2: four at Alabama was a big, a big moment for
Speaker 2: the new world of basketball coaches that are very much
Speaker 2: not about just trusting their gut and just deciding what
Speaker 2: they're gonna do in the moment. They're gonna like they've
Speaker 2: got like they're fouling up three no matter what, because
Speaker 2: the numbers say that's the best probability of you not
Speaker 2: losing the game if you foul up three, like that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So I'm trying to think of other
Speaker 2: coaches that are like that, but Natos is probably the
Speaker 2: best at it right now, because one he's successful and
Speaker 2: he's at Alabama to where they get really really good
Speaker 2: players and that style of play. I think Bama is
Speaker 2: the best example to turn to when it comes to Okay, man,
Speaker 2: if you can get really good players and they fit
Speaker 2: what you want to do, and you get into what
Speaker 2: you want to do and you got guys making shots,
Speaker 2: there's not going to be many teams that can beat you. Now,
Speaker 2: when you don't get into the style of play and
Speaker 2: possessions are limited, that's when he can go. It can
Speaker 2: go south. Like there's some games and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this is what happened to a little well maybe it did.
Speaker 2: Lil did show a lot of threason they made five
Speaker 2: of them and they got blown out. But with that
Speaker 2: that style, it does leave you vulnerable to where you
Speaker 2: got to. You gotta one be able to to not
Speaker 2: completely be out of your comfort zone if you aren't
Speaker 2: controlling pace, but you got to be able to you know,
Speaker 2: there's a few components that like, if all three of
Speaker 2: them aren't working, you're gonna get killed. And that's what
Speaker 2: happened against Tennessee. And I kind of feel like that.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the only reason the worlvel got
Speaker 2: beat bad last night. But when you are so dependent
Speaker 2: upon three point shots falling and you're taking around thirty
Speaker 2: of them and you only make five, that's where you
Speaker 2: just have to know if that's the result, and that's
Speaker 2: who we are, and we keep trying to do this,
Speaker 2: We're not going to win many games. So I'm anxious
Speaker 2: to see what the strategy is against Duke and the
Speaker 2: other team. You got Duke coming up on Sunday, you
Speaker 2: play Kentucky before too long, You've got North Carolina on
Speaker 2: New Year's and then I think, is there one more
Speaker 2: game between You've got UTEP and you've got EKU that
Speaker 2: are all around there. I don't know the exact dates,
Speaker 2: so we shall see. But Kentucky against Gonzaga, that should
Speaker 2: be a good game on Saturday night. And as I
Speaker 2: said earlier, I would imagine that if they end up
Speaker 2: losing that game, which still be underdogs. But if they
Speaker 2: lose that game and let's just say, maybe it's you know,
Speaker 2: not super close, I think that's where you may see
Speaker 2: and they're probably wrong. But you know what, we are
Speaker 2: crazy about college basketball right here? Are we We're obsessed
Speaker 2: so therefore, like last night, I'm just glad I didn't
Speaker 2: do a post game show because I'm sure we'd had
Speaker 2: some people that were wanting to question if Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: was a good coach or not. And now you know,
Speaker 2: it's part of the gig. I could, I could have
Speaker 2: the conversation and I would have to disagree, and you
Speaker 2: know that's part of it. But like I think we
Speaker 2: know we know enough about each other, or I guess
Speaker 2: we know enough about ourselves as fan bases to where
Speaker 2: you can know that the majority is not going to
Speaker 2: go crazy and just assume that we need to get
Speaker 2: rid of a coach because he lost one game. But
Speaker 2: you also know because of how many fans both sides
Speaker 2: have and that we are all kind of crazy about it.
Speaker 2: Some are a different, different level of crazy about it.
Speaker 2: Like it's you never are going to be surprised when
Speaker 2: somebody's losing their mind about a loss, no matter how
Speaker 2: it looks, no matter who it's against, because that's how
Speaker 2: much we care. All right, real quick, I'm gonna try
Speaker 2: to get to this as quickly as I can. The
Speaker 2: college football playoff rankings, of course, came out last night,
Speaker 2: and SMU, I mean I'm I guess I'm being like
Speaker 2: an acc Homer here, but SMU is, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: the school that, like, I mean, it's not just them,
Speaker 2: I guess it's also like teams that are playing in
Speaker 2: the conference championship and that lose are essentially being punished
Speaker 2: because they made the conference championship game. And Ward Manuel
Speaker 2: tried his best to like put together a tasty word
Speaker 2: salad to make it not seem like that. But yes,
Speaker 2: you are punishing teams that made the conference championship SMU.
Speaker 2: I mean they're if they lose to Clemson, they're essentially
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean here's what And I'll let
Speaker 2: you guys hear this. This this sound because he was
Speaker 2: on with I can't think of who the guy has
Speaker 2: that's on with Andy Staples who was working for on
Speaker 2: three sports now, but he believes that if SMU, yeah,
Speaker 2: it says, well, let's just let you hear it. But
Speaker 2: basically SMU shouldn't play in the conference championship game. Like
Speaker 2: and another thing that nobody's talking about, at least not
Speaker 2: that I've seen. That's true, SMU not like deciding not
Speaker 2: to play in the championship game is not going to happen.
Speaker 2: There's no scenario that that happens, but man, I think
Speaker 2: that it should not just because of pettiness. But here's
Speaker 2: what's crazy. Because of their arrangement, being new to the league,
Speaker 2: they don't even get any of the money, Like they
Speaker 2: could win the league and get not a dime, which
Speaker 2: is not how it usually works. But this is Red Ashley,
Speaker 2: the head coach of SMU, earlier on On three Sports.
Speaker 4: If the worst happens this year, do you think coaches
Speaker 4: will start to consider.
Speaker 2: Doing crazy things like not playing or benching players or
Speaker 2: doing things.
Speaker 4: If our team all got COVID today and didn't play,
Speaker 4: we're in. Wow, We're in right. We don't have another
Speaker 4: data point to drop us below anybody that's behind.
Speaker 2: Us based on what happened.
Speaker 1: That's how you go.
Speaker 4: I think if you if you open up that door,
Speaker 4: you're going to see a lot of people do a
Speaker 4: lot of crazy things. Yes, we're not going to We're
Speaker 4: gonna go playing and we're gonna try to compete for
Speaker 4: our championship because that's the right thing to do. That's
Speaker 4: what competitors do. We value an opportunity to share the
Speaker 4: field with someone like Clemson and fantastic team and try
Speaker 4: to do something special. And so I just, like I said,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna choose to believe that on Sunday that the
Speaker 4: right thing will be done as well on the other end.
Speaker 2: So there's no way around it. And I don't I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to bag on the committee too much
Speaker 2: because you literally can't. There's no perfect way to do
Speaker 2: this to where everybody's like, yep, this is how it
Speaker 2: should be, Like everybody's gonna always be complaining. But you
Speaker 2: now have like Alabama's number eleven at nine and three,
Speaker 2: and they're walking into the college football playoff over BYU
Speaker 2: Arizona State in Iowa State, and it's because they're going
Speaker 2: to you know, whoever loses in the championship game of
Speaker 2: the Big twelve is gonna fall. I mean, like the
Speaker 2: extra data point, Like I don't understand how it's not
Speaker 2: just an obvious thing that the conference championships. First of all,
Speaker 2: they're in a really tough spot to where you can't
Speaker 2: even justify why you have them. They're big money makers obviously,
Speaker 2: and it's a spot in the field. Now, if you
Speaker 2: win your league, you get in, like that's how it works.
Speaker 2: But also like if you lose, you're punished for being
Speaker 2: in the championship game. And I don't think you should, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it should be considered to an extent, but
Speaker 2: to know that how they've are like, because there's only
Speaker 2: a handful of teams that even have a chance to
Speaker 2: change their position this week. You got there, which is
Speaker 2: because you were good enough. There's other teams that didn't
Speaker 2: make their conference championship, some teams in your own league
Speaker 2: that will benefit because you got there and they didn't
Speaker 2: if you lose. Like, it's just that is so flawed.
Speaker 2: There has to be something that could be implemented to
Speaker 2: where this doesn't happen, because last night to me, seemed
Speaker 2: like the ultimate night where everybody was like, Okay, what
Speaker 2: are we doing here? Like this is stupid, Like this
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense because Wardman, You'll tried his best. Now,
Speaker 2: I'll give Reis Davis credit. He was trying to push him,
Speaker 2: like to get him to answer the question like, Hey,
Speaker 2: so you're saying that nobody you're not going to change
Speaker 2: any ranking for any team that isn't playing this weekend,
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, they won't have that data point,
Speaker 2: and I mean that makes sense. But again, like it
Speaker 2: should just be a given that if you win, you
Speaker 2: get in. If you lose, but again it doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense because again, if you lose and you get killed,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard for the committee a human brain
Speaker 2: to say, okay that I don't think the same of
Speaker 2: this team as I did previously. So I don't know
Speaker 2: the perfect system is, but I think a someone who
Speaker 2: could put together the best formula, not the BCS but
Speaker 2: something like that that would get approval from everybody that, Okay,
Speaker 2: if we're going to use a system instead of humans,
Speaker 2: this is the best one possible. Like that's gonna be
Speaker 2: your best way to do it. Because this is the
Speaker 2: first year we've had a twelve team playoff, and really,
Speaker 2: if you think about how that's lined up, this is
Speaker 2: not like, oh, you won't believe how we ended up here.
Speaker 2: This is how college football works. Like there's a little
Speaker 2: more parody. Maybe certain teams having more losses than they
Speaker 2: typically would have is what's happening right now, But it
Speaker 2: gets everybody talking about it, and that's what you want.
Speaker 2: That brings more interest in eyeballs and all that. But
Speaker 2: I feel like there's going to be some teams that
Speaker 2: don't get in that like they feel like, okay, then
Speaker 2: what could we have done? I know we could have
Speaker 2: won every game, but there's other teams that didn't win
Speaker 2: every game, hence the reason why they're not in their
Speaker 2: conference championship, and they got in and we didn't. Like
Speaker 2: it just makes no sense. All right, quick break, We'll
Speaker 2: come back on the other side and wrap this thing up.
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Speaker 2: You know, I put it out there again, and I've
Speaker 2: done it before. I mentioned the whole people tell me
Speaker 2: I look like Steve Blake thing. When we were talking
Speaker 2: with Jay Williams, and it's because he mentioned Steve Blake
Speaker 2: and Wan Dixon and I thought, okay, he would know
Speaker 2: do you think I look like him? And I don't
Speaker 2: think that's something like you would brag about, like I
Speaker 2: look like I look like Steve Blake. I mean, you'd
Speaker 2: probably like to say it look like you know, Matthew
Speaker 2: McConaughey or you know, whoever is considered to be, you know,
Speaker 2: good looking. But I've been told I look like Steve
Speaker 2: O from Jackass or Steve Blake. So I chose Steve Blake.
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, not to brag about it,
Speaker 2: but like, I'd rather that be what people say I
Speaker 2: look like than like I'll grab that one and say
Speaker 2: let's run with this one and not anything else.
Speaker 3: I'll give you this because I don't see the I
Speaker 3: don't see the Steve. Oh, but I see more Steve Blake.
Speaker 3: What's with Steve's I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But my cousin Eric, he's the one
Speaker 2: who I told him one time he looked like Ben Roethlisberger,
Speaker 2: and I think, yeah, he took he took it as
Speaker 2: an insult, and I apologize because it probably wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 2: I didn't mean it that way, but like, probably not
Speaker 2: what you want to hear. Uh. So he told I
Speaker 2: think he called me a Steve Blake looking ass, and
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I kind of I kind of agree.
Speaker 2: And then I mentioned it one time on the show,
Speaker 2: and then it kind of created a little life of
Speaker 2: its own, and then I don't mention it often, and
Speaker 2: then I did today and now people are like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you do you look just like Steve Blake,
Speaker 2: so you know, hopefully he's considered to be very handsome,
Speaker 2: because you know, I can't deny I do think i'd
Speaker 2: look like him slightly. How about these vibes here? As
Speaker 2: we wrap this thing up, We're out of time, aren't we?
Speaker 2: What a fast show. We had a lot of fun today,
Speaker 2: didn't we.
Speaker 3: I know, some Jay Williams action, some little ACC SEC hangover.
Speaker 2: Hey, there's no way that they, I mean, the ACC
Speaker 2: is going to get killed. Yeah, it would be great
Speaker 2: though if the only when the ACC has is Clemson
Speaker 2: beating Kentucky, that could live with that. Well with it.
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