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<v Speaker 1>Now here's Nick Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, five o'clock here on a Wednesday afternoon. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for hanging out with us. This is Coffee and Company

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<v Speaker 2>and we are fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven

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<v Speaker 2>ninety Nit coffee. That's me Austin Montgomery alongside today and

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<v Speaker 2>we're having some fun. Been a busy show, been a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a different show as far as just

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, I don't know, whenever we had Jay

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<v Speaker 2>Williams on, I kind of felt like it just turned

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<v Speaker 2>and it's something I chose to do. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>could have told him, hey, we only have like ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I figured, you know, why not just run through

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the four o'clock hour and keep that

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<v Speaker 2>thing going as long as we can. And I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was worthwhile. But it certainly did throw some things

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<v Speaker 2>off because now I realize we've got less than an

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<v Speaker 2>hour left, and there's still a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get into that we haven't yet. But

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest, I guess, the most consistent thing I'm hearing

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<v Speaker 2>from folks that listen to our conversation with Jay Williams

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<v Speaker 2>Austin is that he was you know, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation and what he said is true and I'm guilty

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<v Speaker 2>of it, like I did it, and I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not you know, I'm not bending the knee here to

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<v Speaker 2>like kiss his ass. But I know that he did,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact on a game and that's what I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to and he knew exactly what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think him wanting to come on after I

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<v Speaker 2>said that kind of does show that, like he realizes

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<v Speaker 2>that he did at one point gas light louisvill fans,

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<v Speaker 2>and he explained he was hearing stuff from Nolan Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, then he would talk to other people

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, relationships are really important, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to utilize your relationships to try to make yourself

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<v Speaker 2>look better, to try to benefit you. And I think, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I think those two probably have a good relationship, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>Nolan and Jay, And I mean he kind of realized,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, that's that side of it. Let me get

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<v Speaker 2>the different perspective. And then by the next year, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>year two of the Kpira, Jay was one of one

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys that was just flat out saying like,

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<v Speaker 2>look like this is this is unacceptable, Like shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>in this position, this is sad, and I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>again like he played out kind of the way that

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted it to because he was on a call

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<v Speaker 2>on the game and that's when it was like he

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<v Speaker 2>just started the game telling Louisville fans to chill out

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<v Speaker 2>and be patient and don't and understand what Kenny inherited.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just, you know, that's the last thing people

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to hear because that at that time, it was

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<v Speaker 2>quite clear that you know, nobody was asking you to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the tournament in your first year. We were

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<v Speaker 2>wanting you to, you know, maybe not be the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassment in college basketball, which they were. So he brought

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<v Speaker 2>that up, which kind of confirmed that, Like there was

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<v Speaker 2>a game and he knew it. And then he also

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<v Speaker 2>said something that I knew had happened, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know if he would go there when he would when

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<v Speaker 2>he did say like what he thought about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>about what was going on, it was either halftime or

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<v Speaker 2>right after the uku BO game nded last year, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was just so embarrassing. It was basically blew out

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<v Speaker 2>in our own arena, and Kenny Payne didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>win because you know, he's going up against his boss Caliperi,

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<v Speaker 2>and Seth Greenberg had an issue with what Jay was

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<v Speaker 2>saying because Seth Greenberg is insanely I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's I mean, I think he's obsessed with John cal

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<v Speaker 2>Perry and because of that, he's going to always defend

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<v Speaker 2>Kenny because Kenny's cal Perry's got. Yeah, like Greenberg won't

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge the first of all, he's just he's just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of an old, crotchety guy now that like doesn't understand. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you don't like the portal, but like apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard this for some folks that were well,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't tell you, Greenberg doesn't like when guys are

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<v Speaker 2>playing and they're in a good spot and they transfer

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<v Speaker 2>like Chucky was playing a lot, was gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>big role at Wisconsin. And by the way, Wisconsin's doing

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<v Speaker 2>fine without him, Like they're doing really well. But like

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's what Chucky did. The kind of guys that

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<v Speaker 2>Seth Greenberg apparently really doesn't like as far as just like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you were already at a high level. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>invested in you, you probably had an il and you left,

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<v Speaker 2>which again, like you can cry about it, but like

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<v Speaker 2>that's the new world, that's where we are. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to pooh pooh a lot of the Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>success this year, I'm sure, because he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go against cal He's going to probably not in them.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows, maybe there's not a whole lot of great

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<v Speaker 2>success from the Louisville side, But like he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be less complimentary than the other guys because he's letting

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<v Speaker 2>his friendships with Calipari and Kenny Payne get in the way.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, he's a former coach, he knows basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>but to me, he seems like somebody that like is

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that at the end of the day, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all entertainment and maybe people are entertained by this, but

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<v Speaker 2>what is the value of a analyst, a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>coached basketball at a high level. You would think that

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<v Speaker 2>you're bringing him there to give you perspective and insight

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't get elsewhere because they've been they've been

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<v Speaker 2>in the game, right, What value do they bring though

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<v Speaker 2>if they won't acknowledge reality because they're still like living

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<v Speaker 2>in the world as a coach and not somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>has paid a lot of money to share opinions and

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<v Speaker 2>be honest and be real. Like there are certain people

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<v Speaker 2>that cover the game of college hoops that refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>Criticiz as any coach for I guess reasons I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there's some that have relationships, maybe because they

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<v Speaker 2>used to work with them as coaches, or maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>just know them really well. Like for example, Jeff Goodman

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<v Speaker 2>is phenomenal as a college basketball insider, meaning he has

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<v Speaker 2>built a reputation as one of the best in the game,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, the best when it comes to getting access

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<v Speaker 2>to information. He's probably the lead guy him or no joke,

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<v Speaker 2>Trillie Donovan. Those are two guys that I think right

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<v Speaker 2>now when it comes or Matt Norland I might no

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<v Speaker 2>onm that are really shined during this last coaching season,

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<v Speaker 2>coaching changed because he was he was the guy that

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<v Speaker 2>scooped a lot of stuff. So my point is this,

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<v Speaker 2>like Goodman's great, Goodman is way too close to Bill self.

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<v Speaker 2>He will say things about any coach, but he won't

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<v Speaker 2>go past a certain point of Bill's self because they

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<v Speaker 2>are very very close. So like I just think if

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<v Speaker 2>you're somebody that is not there to break news, which

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<v Speaker 2>Greenberg is not, but you're there to again like you're

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<v Speaker 2>Lane is hey, you can talk exes and o's above.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of our heads tell us basketball, Well, don't

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<v Speaker 2>tell us that a coach who sucks, who doesn't win

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<v Speaker 2>games and is underwhelm Like, don't tell us that, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's not raining when we're getting drenched, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like it just there's no value there. So Anyways, the

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<v Speaker 2>people that have responded to the Jay Williams interview have

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<v Speaker 2>most of them consistently said, like I'm one, they were

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<v Speaker 2>mad that we didn't like just yell at him. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why we would do that, what would be

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<v Speaker 2>benefit from that? Or they're saying like that was actually

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good, like he explained himself and I did. I

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<v Speaker 2>got Look, I got triggered by him giving Pat Kelsey

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<v Speaker 2>credit for what he inherited whenever Pat really did and

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<v Speaker 2>walk into nothing and what did he do? Built the team,

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<v Speaker 2>got the fan base engaged, and Kenny Payne got here

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<v Speaker 2>and felt like a victim, like don't treat those two

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<v Speaker 2>things the same. And that's what got me to fire

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<v Speaker 2>off on Twitter at him, and you know that led

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<v Speaker 2>to him being on the show. But I have Corey

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander was the worst, Like just literally thinking Louisville was

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<v Speaker 2>the problem, not Kenny Payne. And that's just an asinine

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I refuse to believe that he actually believes.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll move on. Thanks thanks to Jay Williams for

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<v Speaker 2>coming on the show. You guys can check it out

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast if you didn't didn't get to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So what I want to do in the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the time that we have here little moral

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<v Speaker 2>reaction on what happened with the Louisville last night, Little

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<v Speaker 2>more reaction on what happened with Kentucky last night. The

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<v Speaker 2>college football playoff rankings, early names in the portal. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's something else. Oh, some texts that came in. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get to So I got about forty

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes, and I don't know if we can squeeze

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<v Speaker 2>it all in, but I'm certainly going to try. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>start with kind of resetting my thoughts on what happened

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<v Speaker 2>last night. You're not going to beat many teams when

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<v Speaker 2>you shoot five of thirty from three. You are built

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<v Speaker 2>pre injury to be a team to where your ceiling

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<v Speaker 2>is its highest when you're making three point shots, and

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<v Speaker 2>they are a really bad three point shooting team. Pat Kelsey,

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<v Speaker 2>he did it last night once again, and I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to continue to mention that the last thing

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<v Speaker 2>he's worried about. I think he said this exact thing twice. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not losing any sleeve worried about these guys making shots. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>losing sleepover ain't gonna help anything. But I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you they're not making shots, bro, Like, that's just not happening.

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<v Speaker 2>And him saying that is to continue to give them confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>The second he starts talking about, hey, maybe we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>continue to do what we've been working on since I

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<v Speaker 2>got here and since you guys got here, Like that

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<v Speaker 2>may rattle their confidence, but their confidence is already shot

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<v Speaker 2>because now they're pressing. They know that Louisville's success is

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<v Speaker 2>dependent upon getting good looks and knocking them down, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're not doing it. And I think having them continue

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<v Speaker 2>to just fire them up is becoming more of a

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<v Speaker 2>mental thing than anything else. So I don't think you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see a complete recreation of what this team's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do. But I was happy to hear him

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<v Speaker 2>mention that, you know that they're now trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out who they are with the loss of three guys

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<v Speaker 2>that are all that we're all supposed to be very

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<v Speaker 2>critical to what you're going to do, like Louisville, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is just the way does it. I said this

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<v Speaker 2>before anybody really got hurt, to be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>they have built a team. Pat's built a team that

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<v Speaker 2>is way more dependent upon guys plugging into a role

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<v Speaker 2>and just the system, the style working And that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that. The Indiana game is the best example of

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<v Speaker 2>how that'll work at a high level. Louisville had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of possessions. Indiana got sped up. They couldn't stop

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<v Speaker 2>missing layups, couldn't stop turning it over. That is the

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<v Speaker 2>best example I can give you as to how this

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<v Speaker 2>can really work well. But other teams are gonna slow

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<v Speaker 2>you down and actually try to prepare, Like Mike Woodson

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<v Speaker 2>is just a buffoon. Like I don't know how he

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<v Speaker 2>did not realize. All you got to do is just

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<v Speaker 2>keep them from getting the pace at a really high,

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<v Speaker 2>high level, and that means you're gonna beat them by

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<v Speaker 2>any means. But like you, like Mike Woodson, tried to

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<v Speaker 2>play Louisville at their game, and yes, Indiana is more talented,

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<v Speaker 2>but Louisville clearly is way more built to do that

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<v Speaker 2>than Indiana was. But I don't think you're gonna run

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<v Speaker 2>into any coaches that are gonna do what Mike Woodson did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're going to run into coaches that look

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<v Speaker 2>at what Chris Beard did, look at Rick Barnes did,

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<v Speaker 2>may be able to beat him at their game. But

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<v Speaker 2>here's what I do know. We're pretty comfortable in a slow,

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<v Speaker 2>slower game where we can grind it out in the

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<v Speaker 2>half court and really just get physical. That is not

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<v Speaker 2>what they want to do. So let's do that. That'll

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<v Speaker 2>be our best chance of winning. It just makes total sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what good coaches do. So for Pat Kelsey, what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm anxious to see is does he realize And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess this is just my opinion. I can't say that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a fact, but I do stand by this. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have the bodies. You don't even have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to do what you wanted to do because you

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<v Speaker 2>only have seven dudes. So if you're playing the same

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<v Speaker 2>style and you want to do the same things with

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<v Speaker 2>only seven guys. Like, it's not like for that to

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it makes any sense to try to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do the same thing you've been trying to do all year.

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<v Speaker 2>Not because it's a flawed system, not because it's it's terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not because you got to like admit that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about even being stubborn. It's just like realizing, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I am now so limited with bodies that I can't

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<v Speaker 2>do what I want to do. So now we got

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<v Speaker 2>to figure something out. And I think last night I'm

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<v Speaker 2>we got to figure out what works. So you've got

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<v Speaker 2>until like recently, they've just been out there playing a role.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you need to look at what they bring to

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<v Speaker 2>the table as an individual player, Like Terrence Edwards has something.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you've got to find a way to maximize whatever

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<v Speaker 2>that is. He's not somebody that I think really was

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<v Speaker 2>a great fit in the system anyway, but now you're

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<v Speaker 2>limited and he's one of your better players. For better

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<v Speaker 2>or worse, he just is so find something, find a formula,

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<v Speaker 2>find a formulator where you can get something out of

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<v Speaker 2>him that can make you a more competitive team. Empower Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>He have burned more than you already have. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna get burned out, no doubt, and that's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's your best offense when he's just running the show,

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<v Speaker 2>either trying to create and score or maybe finding somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you don't like to see guys just go one

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<v Speaker 2>on one and play hero ball, as people say, but

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Chucky do it pretty effectively in the Bahamas.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, you don't want to run, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to rely on him one hundred percent, but like

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<v Speaker 2>he's your best option, he's your best player. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>even close. And he tried at times to take over

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<v Speaker 2>last night, and you know he just kind of ran

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<v Speaker 2>out of gas a little bit. All missed it. A

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<v Speaker 2>good job defending him, I think, and he needs to

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<v Speaker 2>turn he like when he's got it rolling defensively and

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<v Speaker 2>he's a pest and he's getting steals and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>really causing havoc for the opposing backcourt. That's what generates

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<v Speaker 2>him looking like one of the best guards in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't get a steel last night, like ole Miss knew. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's like, let's let's keep this guy from really getting going.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think in a weird way, like I think

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<v Speaker 2>he becomes a guy that is oozing confidence, looking like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best players in the country when his

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<v Speaker 2>defense gets it going first. And Olemiss didn't really let

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<v Speaker 2>him do that last night, So credit to them. Can

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<v Speaker 2>I russ true freshman, very raw, but he's got talent.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you could find something there to wear. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's throw. Let's let's let's run some action to

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<v Speaker 2>where we can maybe take advantage of his ability. Noah

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<v Speaker 2>Waterman not making shots, but still if you get him

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<v Speaker 2>certain looks, you know, history shows throughout his ten year

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<v Speaker 2>college career. I'm exaggerating, He's been in college a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>but like he's a better shooter than what we're seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, Noah is the one guy that

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe. He's just not making shots right now

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually the numbers are gonna even out. I do

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<v Speaker 2>worry a little bit about how he's gained a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of weight, and I'm not fact shaming by any means.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not even saying this as a factor. I know

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<v Speaker 2>he added muscle. I know he had an injury at

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<v Speaker 2>one point that maybe it led to him gaining some weight.

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<v Speaker 2>But like whenever you're seeing a guy that you know

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<v Speaker 2>can shoot it just really struggle like he has, you

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<v Speaker 2>start to think about him. Can be No Waterman weigh

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred ten pounds of BYU last year. No Waterman

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<v Speaker 2>weihs two undred thirty pounds now, And I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that. No joke had somebody to reach out

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<v Speaker 2>to me this morning and say, hey, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>did add a lot of muscle, and I believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's also like that with that added weight, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>if it's just nothing but pure muscle and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>looking like, you know, a shredded bodybuilder. If he's added

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<v Speaker 2>that much weight, should you still expect him to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to run the floor and knock down threes consistently?

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<v Speaker 2>Like those are things that matter. It's probably something I'm overthinking,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just trying to figure out why that guy

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<v Speaker 2>because he's really keep in mind, Noah Waterman last year

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<v Speaker 2>played for who Mark Pope. Mark Pope wants to do

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing that Pat Kelsey does. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>choose to believe that more than anything, he's just need

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to just see some shots go in and

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<v Speaker 2>he'll get hot. But I also think at times he's

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<v Speaker 2>firing up shots that probably aren't great looks even if

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<v Speaker 2>he is, you know, if any if he does to

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<v Speaker 2>have some daylight, Like I wish Noah Waterman was a

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<v Speaker 2>dude that like would realize, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be six ten and go push some guys around. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's not a back to the basket like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>post player per se, but like he can do something,

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<v Speaker 2>he can create some He's a big dude. He's six ten,

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<v Speaker 2>six eleven, two hundred and thirty pounds, so like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is now archaic, but like he's the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>guy that can absolutely get a bucket near the rim,

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<v Speaker 2>get to the free throw line, and then I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's when shots start falling for him. That's just rhythm

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<v Speaker 2>of being a basketball player. But the other guys that

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about this earlier, they can shoot. They did

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<v Speaker 2>shoot thirty five to forty percent at their previous schools.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just think expecting them to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot it at that exact same percentage or better when

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<v Speaker 2>they're playing in a completely different system. It's it's the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers from their previous school. I just don't think or

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<v Speaker 2>that are that relevant to the situation. Like, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>asking Terrence Edwards to do the same thing he was

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<v Speaker 2>asked to do with James Madison. So yeah, he can

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<v Speaker 2>make shots, but it was more just a component within

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<v Speaker 2>what they do at James Madison or at Long Beach State,

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<v Speaker 2>or at Washington or at you know, wherever. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's coincidence. The one guy that is shooting forty

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<v Speaker 2>percent even after a two for eight night last night,

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<v Speaker 2>is the guy that has played in this exact system

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<v Speaker 2>for five years, Rain Smith, because he's comfortable. This is

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<v Speaker 2>all he's done his whole college career. These other guys,

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<v Speaker 2>their numbers are real, but I don't think it's crazy

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<v Speaker 2>to expect those numbers to substantially drop when they're really

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<v Speaker 2>doing a different job. They can make shots, but is

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<v Speaker 2>that like, is that a weapon for them like it

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<v Speaker 2>is Rain Smith? I don't think so. All right, quick break,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back on the other side. I love that

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<v Speaker 2>players are now calling out the college Football Selection Committee

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<v Speaker 2>because players I think are making real points. Coaches are

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, trying to dress up their resume and

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<v Speaker 2>make it look better than it is. But we'll finish strong,

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<v Speaker 2>at least we'll try to. I can't believe how fast

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<v Speaker 2>the show's come by today. Let's get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back for a couple more segments on Sports

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<v Speaker 2>Talk seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety BacT to Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna stop nerding out on you know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get out of the weeds when it comes to just

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<v Speaker 2>talking basketball. But I do want to give you an

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<v Speaker 2>example that I think if you're a Louisville fan, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>make a little sense as far as what I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to these guys being able to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five to forty percent from three at their previous

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<v Speaker 2>score in a different system and them not being able

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<v Speaker 2>to do it here with this system that Pat Kelsey has.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, I think all these guys are better shooters

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<v Speaker 2>than the number show. Like these guys just can't buy

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<v Speaker 2>a bucket. Last night, it was really tough to see.

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<v Speaker 2>But like this is what I said after the game.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a better shooting team than we saw last night.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a better shooting team than the numbers show so

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<v Speaker 2>far throughout the season. But how much better That's That's

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<v Speaker 2>something that I'm a little bit worried about. But who

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<v Speaker 2>remembers Steven Enoch? A big who is going to be forgotten?

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<v Speaker 2>But man, he was a hell of a player, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I do. He was a hell of a player. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just one of the more physically imposing players

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<v Speaker 2>that Louisville had, and he also had a really nice

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<v Speaker 2>touch from three. Obviously, Chris Mack was much more of

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<v Speaker 2>a of an offensively. He was much more of an

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<v Speaker 2>old I don't I wouldn't even call it old school,

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<v Speaker 2>but like it's not what Pat does. And when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the offense, you know, at times, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the offense under Mac was in a half court was

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<v Speaker 2>you know, suspect, but they were they clearly at times

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<v Speaker 2>had a real emphasis on feeding the post. And Enoch

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<v Speaker 2>was was a guy that had some success here because

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<v Speaker 2>he was just a tough cover, he had nice touch

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<v Speaker 2>and he's big, but he also could knock down shots.

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<v Speaker 2>So he shot thirty seven percent from three, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was and let's be real. He wasn't somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>shot you know, ten a game like rain Smith. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's shot enough. Like his numbers weren't, his percentages weren't

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<v Speaker 2>misleading because like he only shot five of them, which

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes that happens. However, think about what he would do

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<v Speaker 2>in this system, Like, think about if he was somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that's out there. Okay, here's what we gotta do. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta find a way to either, you know, get myself

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<v Speaker 2>open with a good look within rhythm from three, or

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta be moving constantly to get somebody else. Won

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you would expect him to shoot it

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<v Speaker 2>the same way, right, because it was just a thing

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<v Speaker 2>that he added, right, pick and pop. Yeah, you better

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<v Speaker 2>come out and guard me because I can make this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, leave me open. I'm gonna knock it down.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been able to really get what I want in

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<v Speaker 2>the paint. So now I'm gonna step outside because you've

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you started to double t me in the

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<v Speaker 2>post where you're not gonna double team me from three,

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<v Speaker 2>So let me step out and knock it down like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's more traditional. What we're seeing here is is

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit different. And again I've tried my best

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<v Speaker 2>to emphasize I am not saying in any way that

416
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<v Speaker 2>Pat Kelsey's wrong for his system and his style, because

417
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<v Speaker 2>you know it can work. It's just now you really

418
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<v Speaker 2>don't even have the ability to do what you want

419
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<v Speaker 2>to do, not because it won't work, but because you

420
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<v Speaker 2>don't have the pieces. You don't have you've lost so

421
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<v Speaker 2>many guys injury. So I just wanted to give you

422
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of an example when it comes to like,

423
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<v Speaker 2>being able to shoot a certain percentage from three in

424
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<v Speaker 2>a certain system doesn't mean you're gonna be able to

425
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<v Speaker 2>do with the same thing at at at a different

426
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<v Speaker 2>in a different system like this one here.

427
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<v Speaker 3>I will I'll go ahead and say, since we're bringing

428
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<v Speaker 3>up old flings, just watching them last night, man, I

429
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<v Speaker 3>would have loved Drey Davis on this squad.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, dude, he was. I mean, I love Dre

431
00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:14.880
<v Speaker 2>and I I don't.

432
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he had a good game for him too.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, he like he didn't want to leave

434
00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.039
<v Speaker 2>initially here he found the perfect spot. I mean again,

435
00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.960
<v Speaker 2>this goes back to I mean Drey Davis's brother Tay went.

436
00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.839
<v Speaker 2>They both went to Seaton Hall initially Tay transferred to

437
00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame, but Tay had signed with Louisville as well

438
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<v Speaker 2>while Dre was here. He signed with Chris Mack. And

439
00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean I talked to to Tay and and and

440
00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Dre and and their father at the time of the

441
00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:40.720
<v Speaker 2>coaching change, and Kenny Pang got the job and just

442
00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't do anything, like I didn't know that he had signed,

443
00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.839
<v Speaker 2>and nobody reached out there, Like there was no conversation

444
00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:50.319
<v Speaker 2>about like, hey, we're gonna honor your commitment, you can

445
00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:53.319
<v Speaker 2>still stay here. Dre wanted to stay, and nobody talked

446
00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:55.319
<v Speaker 2>to him like he's what he was saying. He read

447
00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.599
<v Speaker 2>the room and said, I'm gonna leave now. I think

448
00:20:57.640 --> 00:20:59.880
<v Speaker 2>eventually there was a conversation that took place, but it

449
00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:02.759
<v Speaker 2>was way after he'd already entered the portal. So Tay

450
00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.240
<v Speaker 2>released that I'm opening my recruitment, but I'm still considering

451
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Louisville if they want me, And like nobody talked to him,

452
00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:12.240
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not saying that would have changed anything, but

453
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<v Speaker 2>like I love Dre drey Is. I said this yesterday

454
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<v Speaker 2>we were talking with Seal Brown. Drey Davis is one

455
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<v Speaker 2>of those guys that if if Chris Beard, Sheeen Holloway

456
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<v Speaker 2>and really even Chris Mack too. If they could create

457
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<v Speaker 2>a video game player, a player within a video game

458
00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.720
<v Speaker 2>that like is the kind of guy they want as

459
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<v Speaker 2>far as just toughness, physicality, work ethic, it's Dray Davis

460
00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:37.799
<v Speaker 2>and he's I'm so. I actually talked to him a

461
00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:39.720
<v Speaker 2>little bit last night after the game, reached out to

462
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<v Speaker 2>him because Tom Dravi was here. Is when I actually

463
00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.160
<v Speaker 2>was pretty embedded within the program and had you know,

464
00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I had some access to things. Obviously people know my

465
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<v Speaker 2>relationship with Chris mac but right I was so happy

466
00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.000
<v Speaker 2>to see him succeed at Seaton Hall and then he

467
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<v Speaker 2>hit the portal and I didn't have any idea where

468
00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.440
<v Speaker 2>he'd end up, but man, him playing for Seen Holloway

469
00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.680
<v Speaker 2>and Chris Beard, the guy knows where he fits. If

470
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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, it works out well. And

471
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:03.359
<v Speaker 2>he went off last night.

472
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he had a good game.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Would have been even worse if he didn't get in

474
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<v Speaker 2>foul trouble probably.

475
00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.000
<v Speaker 3>And what he got a really good standing ovation. Everybody

476
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<v Speaker 3>else got booed during the starting lineup, so when they

477
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<v Speaker 3>announced Ray Davis, everybody gave him a good.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Old, good good. He's a good dude man.

479
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

480
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<v Speaker 3>They also really cheered once they announced his third foul

481
00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:18.319
<v Speaker 3>and he is walking off the.

482
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Court because he was killing us. Yeah you know what

483
00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he.

484
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<v Speaker 3>Get eleven points at that at that time.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Are we have some breaking news on the football side.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Dane Key, Kentucky receiver has entered the portal. No clue

487
00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.839
<v Speaker 2>where he's gonna end up, but he'll have a lot

488
00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.119
<v Speaker 2>of options and he may be one of those guys.

489
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<v Speaker 2>And look, he was good at Kentucky, but their offense stunk,

490
00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:39.640
<v Speaker 2>so like he you know, hard if you're a receiver,

491
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<v Speaker 2>why the hell would you want to play for an

492
00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:44.039
<v Speaker 2>offense that was as bad as they were really the

493
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.079
<v Speaker 2>last couple of years. So I feel like he's got

494
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<v Speaker 2>the best chance to go somewhere and make Mark Pope

495
00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:57.640
<v Speaker 2>look even you know. Course, So anyways, uh, that is

496
00:22:57.640 --> 00:22:59.839
<v Speaker 2>big news for Kentucky and it feel like the hits

497
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<v Speaker 2>just keep getting Now what that said, they did sign

498
00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:05.119
<v Speaker 2>a top twenty five class today, Kentucky did, and that

499
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:07.559
<v Speaker 2>has value. It's just you know, now you got to

500
00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:09.000
<v Speaker 2>really go clean up in the portal, and maybe they

501
00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:11.000
<v Speaker 2>end up doing that, but I feel like portal is

502
00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:12.839
<v Speaker 2>going to be a lot of a lot of First

503
00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:14.920
<v Speaker 2>of all, the portal is about money, like you need

504
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.359
<v Speaker 2>to go get guys. You need to have money to

505
00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.759
<v Speaker 2>where you can go get players that everybody's competing for.

506
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:21.720
<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of factors when it comes to

507
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:23.640
<v Speaker 2>their decision. But let's not act like money is not

508
00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:28.319
<v Speaker 2>a big one. But also another another factor is like momentum,

509
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.559
<v Speaker 2>like Kentucky's coming off their worst season in a long

510
00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>long time. Like the idea of a portal guy who

511
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:39.960
<v Speaker 2>has a lot of other good options picking Kentucky is

512
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.200
<v Speaker 2>just seems kind of unlikely, unless, of course you've got

513
00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, money that others aren't willing to pay for

514
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:49.039
<v Speaker 2>those players. All right, real quick, on the Kentucky lost

515
00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:52.680
<v Speaker 2>last night, it was nice to see them look a

516
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:54.400
<v Speaker 2>little more, you know, and they lost, and they didn't

517
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they have not looked perfect all year.

518
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:56.079
<v Speaker 1>But.

519
00:23:57.519 --> 00:23:59.839
<v Speaker 2>Their schedules set up to where they didn't play like

520
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.200
<v Speaker 2>worst teams ever, but like they played teams they beat

521
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:03.799
<v Speaker 2>up on that they were kind of supposed to do that,

522
00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and they did get pushed around a little bit by

523
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Western Kentucky, and I think that kind of made it

524
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.039
<v Speaker 2>to where, all right, if you're gonna try to keep

525
00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:14.039
<v Speaker 2>them from doing what they're doing. It's not necessarily just

526
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.000
<v Speaker 2>about slowing it down and limiting possessions. It's more so

527
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:21.240
<v Speaker 2>about just getting physical because they're they're they're bigger than

528
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Louisville is ball means, but they're bigs are kind of

529
00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:28.400
<v Speaker 2>dare I say, Finesse Biggs. I mean, Amari Williams is

530
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>a humongous guy, and he's a physical presence. But outside

531
00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:33.559
<v Speaker 2>of him, you know, Andrew Carr is not a good defender,

532
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.359
<v Speaker 2>can get pushed around. And I'm not even really sure

533
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>who else they have in the post outside of car

534
00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.359
<v Speaker 2>and Williams. I feel like I'm blanking on Oh Garrison,

535
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>but I mean I don't does he even play a

536
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:46.519
<v Speaker 2>lot like so For as a Louislle fan, who, of

537
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.440
<v Speaker 2>course once to see Consycle lose every game, it was

538
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:50.920
<v Speaker 2>nice to kind of see them look a little bit

539
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:52.920
<v Speaker 2>more beatable, and they did lose. I don't know how

540
00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.480
<v Speaker 2>many losses they're gonna have the rest of the way,

541
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:56.799
<v Speaker 2>But as I said to start the show, you're gonna

542
00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:03.160
<v Speaker 2>see opponents of both Louisville Kentucky emphasize the same thing.

543
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:07.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not gonna use the well, I'll use the

544
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 2>word because I think you're gonna hear others say it,

545
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not ready to call it that, but gimmicky,

546
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.640
<v Speaker 2>this new modern basketball that is analytically driven, that is

547
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 2>all about either getting good looks from three, or getting

548
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:21.279
<v Speaker 2>to the free throw on or getting shots around the

549
00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>rim like that, and it works. Man. If you can

550
00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:27.039
<v Speaker 2>get you can build a roster that that has the

551
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 2>personnel that really fits that, and you can dictate pace,

552
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:35.240
<v Speaker 2>you can win. And you gotta have talent. I mean again,

553
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:39.400
<v Speaker 2>you have the pieces. But as a basketball nerd, I

554
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.680
<v Speaker 2>knew that nato It's breaking through and making a Final

555
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:46.680
<v Speaker 2>four at Alabama was a big, a big moment for

556
00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 2>the new world of basketball coaches that are very much

557
00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:53.599
<v Speaker 2>not about just trusting their gut and just deciding what

558
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.960
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna do in the moment. They're gonna like they've

559
00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:59.440
<v Speaker 2>got like they're fouling up three no matter what, because

560
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the numbers say that's the best probability of you not

561
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.880
<v Speaker 2>losing the game if you foul up three, like that

562
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. So I'm trying to think of other

563
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.680
<v Speaker 2>coaches that are like that, but Natos is probably the

564
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:13.400
<v Speaker 2>best at it right now, because one he's successful and

565
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.319
<v Speaker 2>he's at Alabama to where they get really really good

566
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:19.039
<v Speaker 2>players and that style of play. I think Bama is

567
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 2>the best example to turn to when it comes to Okay, man,

568
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:25.359
<v Speaker 2>if you can get really good players and they fit

569
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.359
<v Speaker 2>what you want to do, and you get into what

570
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>you want to do and you got guys making shots,

571
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.039
<v Speaker 2>there's not going to be many teams that can beat you. Now,

572
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 2>when you don't get into the style of play and

573
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.759
<v Speaker 2>possessions are limited, that's when he can go. It can

574
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.599
<v Speaker 2>go south. Like there's some games and I'm not saying

575
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:40.839
<v Speaker 2>this is what happened to a little well maybe it did.

576
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Lil did show a lot of threason they made five

577
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.839
<v Speaker 2>of them and they got blown out. But with that

578
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 2>that style, it does leave you vulnerable to where you

579
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:54.319
<v Speaker 2>got to. You gotta one be able to to not

580
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>completely be out of your comfort zone if you aren't

581
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.799
<v Speaker 2>controlling pace, but you got to be able to you know,

582
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:02.880
<v Speaker 2>there's a few components that like, if all three of

583
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.240
<v Speaker 2>them aren't working, you're gonna get killed. And that's what

584
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 2>happened against Tennessee. And I kind of feel like that.

585
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's the only reason the worlvel got

586
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.799
<v Speaker 2>beat bad last night. But when you are so dependent

587
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.920
<v Speaker 2>upon three point shots falling and you're taking around thirty

588
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:18.599
<v Speaker 2>of them and you only make five, that's where you

589
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>just have to know if that's the result, and that's

590
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:23.039
<v Speaker 2>who we are, and we keep trying to do this,

591
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to win many games. So I'm anxious

592
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.759
<v Speaker 2>to see what the strategy is against Duke and the

593
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.279
<v Speaker 2>other team. You got Duke coming up on Sunday, you

594
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:35.519
<v Speaker 2>play Kentucky before too long, You've got North Carolina on

595
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.640
<v Speaker 2>New Year's and then I think, is there one more

596
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 2>game between You've got UTEP and you've got EKU that

597
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 2>are all around there. I don't know the exact dates,

598
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.680
<v Speaker 2>so we shall see. But Kentucky against Gonzaga, that should

599
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.400
<v Speaker 2>be a good game on Saturday night. And as I

600
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>said earlier, I would imagine that if they end up

601
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>losing that game, which still be underdogs. But if they

602
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.319
<v Speaker 2>lose that game and let's just say, maybe it's you know,

603
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>not super close, I think that's where you may see

604
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 2>and they're probably wrong. But you know what, we are

605
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>crazy about college basketball right here? Are we We're obsessed

606
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>so therefore, like last night, I'm just glad I didn't

607
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:08.720
<v Speaker 2>do a post game show because I'm sure we'd had

608
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 2>some people that were wanting to question if Pat Kelsey

609
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>was a good coach or not. And now you know,

610
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.400
<v Speaker 2>it's part of the gig. I could, I could have

611
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.359
<v Speaker 2>the conversation and I would have to disagree, and you

612
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 2>know that's part of it. But like I think we

613
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 2>know we know enough about each other, or I guess

614
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.319
<v Speaker 2>we know enough about ourselves as fan bases to where

615
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>you can know that the majority is not going to

616
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>go crazy and just assume that we need to get

617
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>rid of a coach because he lost one game. But

618
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.640
<v Speaker 2>you also know because of how many fans both sides

619
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.839
<v Speaker 2>have and that we are all kind of crazy about it.

620
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Some are a different, different level of crazy about it.

621
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Like it's you never are going to be surprised when

622
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>somebody's losing their mind about a loss, no matter how

623
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>it looks, no matter who it's against, because that's how

624
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<v Speaker 2>much we care. All right, real quick, I'm gonna try

625
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<v Speaker 2>to get to this as quickly as I can. The

626
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<v Speaker 2>college football playoff rankings, of course, came out last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and SMU, I mean I'm I guess I'm being like

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<v Speaker 2>an acc Homer here, but SMU is, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>the school that, like, I mean, it's not just them,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's also like teams that are playing in

631
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<v Speaker 2>the conference championship and that lose are essentially being punished

632
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<v Speaker 2>because they made the conference championship game. And Ward Manuel

633
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<v Speaker 2>tried his best to like put together a tasty word

634
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<v Speaker 2>salad to make it not seem like that. But yes,

635
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<v Speaker 2>you are punishing teams that made the conference championship SMU.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they're if they lose to Clemson, they're essentially

637
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I mean here's what And I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you guys hear this. This this sound because he was

639
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<v Speaker 2>on with I can't think of who the guy has

640
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that's on with Andy Staples who was working for on

641
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<v Speaker 2>three sports now, but he believes that if SMU, yeah,

642
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<v Speaker 2>it says, well, let's just let you hear it. But

643
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<v Speaker 2>basically SMU shouldn't play in the conference championship game. Like

644
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<v Speaker 2>and another thing that nobody's talking about, at least not

645
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<v Speaker 2>that I've seen. That's true, SMU not like deciding not

646
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<v Speaker 2>to play in the championship game is not going to happen.

647
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<v Speaker 2>There's no scenario that that happens, but man, I think

648
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<v Speaker 2>that it should not just because of pettiness. But here's

649
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<v Speaker 2>what's crazy. Because of their arrangement, being new to the league,

650
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>they don't even get any of the money, Like they

651
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>could win the league and get not a dime, which

652
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 2>is not how it usually works. But this is Red Ashley,

653
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<v Speaker 2>the head coach of SMU, earlier on On three Sports.

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<v Speaker 4>If the worst happens this year, do you think coaches

655
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<v Speaker 4>will start to consider.

656
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<v Speaker 2>Doing crazy things like not playing or benching players or

657
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<v Speaker 2>doing things.

658
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<v Speaker 4>If our team all got COVID today and didn't play,

659
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<v Speaker 4>we're in. Wow, We're in right. We don't have another

660
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<v Speaker 4>data point to drop us below anybody that's behind.

661
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Us based on what happened.

662
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<v Speaker 1>That's how you go.

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<v Speaker 4>I think if you if you open up that door,

664
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<v Speaker 4>you're going to see a lot of people do a

665
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 4>lot of crazy things. Yes, we're not going to We're

666
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<v Speaker 4>gonna go playing and we're gonna try to compete for

667
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<v Speaker 4>our championship because that's the right thing to do. That's

668
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<v Speaker 4>what competitors do. We value an opportunity to share the

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<v Speaker 4>field with someone like Clemson and fantastic team and try

670
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<v Speaker 4>to do something special. And so I just, like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna choose to believe that on Sunday that the

672
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<v Speaker 4>right thing will be done as well on the other end.

673
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<v Speaker 2>So there's no way around it. And I don't I mean,

674
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to bag on the committee too much

675
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 2>because you literally can't. There's no perfect way to do

676
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:32.599
<v Speaker 2>this to where everybody's like, yep, this is how it

677
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 2>should be, Like everybody's gonna always be complaining. But you

678
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 2>now have like Alabama's number eleven at nine and three,

679
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and they're walking into the college football playoff over BYU

680
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Arizona State in Iowa State, and it's because they're going

681
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 2>to you know, whoever loses in the championship game of

682
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>the Big twelve is gonna fall. I mean, like the

683
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.319
<v Speaker 2>extra data point, Like I don't understand how it's not

684
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>just an obvious thing that the conference championships. First of all,

685
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:04.440
<v Speaker 2>they're in a really tough spot to where you can't

686
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<v Speaker 2>even justify why you have them. They're big money makers obviously,

687
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's a spot in the field. Now, if you

688
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<v Speaker 2>win your league, you get in, like that's how it works.

689
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 2>But also like if you lose, you're punished for being

690
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 2>in the championship game. And I don't think you should, like,

691
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, it should be considered to an extent, but

692
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 2>to know that how they've are like, because there's only

693
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a handful of teams that even have a chance to

694
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 2>change their position this week. You got there, which is

695
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>because you were good enough. There's other teams that didn't

696
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>make their conference championship, some teams in your own league

697
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 2>that will benefit because you got there and they didn't

698
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>if you lose. Like, it's just that is so flawed.

699
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<v Speaker 2>There has to be something that could be implemented to

700
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<v Speaker 2>where this doesn't happen, because last night to me, seemed

701
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.319
<v Speaker 2>like the ultimate night where everybody was like, Okay, what

702
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.680
<v Speaker 2>are we doing here? Like this is stupid, Like this

703
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense because Wardman, You'll tried his best. Now,

704
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<v Speaker 2>I'll give Reis Davis credit. He was trying to push him,

705
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<v Speaker 2>like to get him to answer the question like, Hey,

706
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<v Speaker 2>so you're saying that nobody you're not going to change

707
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<v Speaker 2>any ranking for any team that isn't playing this weekend,

708
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, yeah, they won't have that data point,

709
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.880
<v Speaker 2>and I mean that makes sense. But again, like it

710
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 2>should just be a given that if you win, you

711
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 2>get in. If you lose, but again it doesn't make

712
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>sense because again, if you lose and you get killed,

713
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be hard for the committee a human brain

714
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<v Speaker 2>to say, okay that I don't think the same of

715
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<v Speaker 2>this team as I did previously. So I don't know

716
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<v Speaker 2>the perfect system is, but I think a someone who

717
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 2>could put together the best formula, not the BCS but

718
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.200
<v Speaker 2>something like that that would get approval from everybody that, Okay,

719
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<v Speaker 2>if we're going to use a system instead of humans,

720
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<v Speaker 2>this is the best one possible. Like that's gonna be

721
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<v Speaker 2>your best way to do it. Because this is the

722
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>first year we've had a twelve team playoff, and really,

723
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 2>if you think about how that's lined up, this is

724
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<v Speaker 2>not like, oh, you won't believe how we ended up here.

725
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<v Speaker 2>This is how college football works. Like there's a little

726
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<v Speaker 2>more parody. Maybe certain teams having more losses than they

727
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.839
<v Speaker 2>typically would have is what's happening right now, But it

728
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>gets everybody talking about it, and that's what you want.

729
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.159
<v Speaker 2>That brings more interest in eyeballs and all that. But

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's going to be some teams that

731
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<v Speaker 2>don't get in that like they feel like, okay, then

732
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>what could we have done? I know we could have

733
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<v Speaker 2>won every game, but there's other teams that didn't win

734
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<v Speaker 2>every game, hence the reason why they're not in their

735
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>conference championship, and they got in and we didn't. Like

736
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<v Speaker 2>it just makes no sense. All right, quick break, We'll

737
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<v Speaker 2>come back on the other side and wrap this thing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't go anywhere, keep it locked right here on Sports

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<v Speaker 2>Talk seven ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I put it out there again, and I've

743
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<v Speaker 2>done it before. I mentioned the whole people tell me

744
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<v Speaker 2>I look like Steve Blake thing. When we were talking

745
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<v Speaker 2>with Jay Williams, and it's because he mentioned Steve Blake

746
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>and Wan Dixon and I thought, okay, he would know

747
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 2>do you think I look like him? And I don't

748
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<v Speaker 2>think that's something like you would brag about, like I

749
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<v Speaker 2>look like I look like Steve Blake. I mean, you'd

750
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<v Speaker 2>probably like to say it look like you know, Matthew

751
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<v Speaker 2>McConaughey or you know, whoever is considered to be, you know,

752
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<v Speaker 2>good looking. But I've been told I look like Steve

753
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<v Speaker 2>O from Jackass or Steve Blake. So I chose Steve Blake.

754
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<v Speaker 2>It's just like, you know, not to brag about it,

755
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<v Speaker 2>but like, I'd rather that be what people say I

756
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<v Speaker 2>look like than like I'll grab that one and say

757
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 2>let's run with this one and not anything else.

758
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<v Speaker 3>I'll give you this because I don't see the I

759
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<v Speaker 3>don't see the Steve. Oh, but I see more Steve Blake.

760
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<v Speaker 3>What's with Steve's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But my cousin Eric, he's the one

762
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<v Speaker 2>who I told him one time he looked like Ben Roethlisberger,

763
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<v Speaker 2>and I think, yeah, he took he took it as

764
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<v Speaker 2>an insult, and I apologize because it probably wasn't. I mean,

765
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean it that way, but like, probably not

766
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<v Speaker 2>what you want to hear. Uh. So he told I

767
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<v Speaker 2>think he called me a Steve Blake looking ass, and

768
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<v Speaker 2>I was like, damn, I kind of I kind of agree.

769
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<v Speaker 2>And then I mentioned it one time on the show,

770
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<v Speaker 2>and then it kind of created a little life of

771
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<v Speaker 2>its own, and then I don't mention it often, and

772
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<v Speaker 2>then I did today and now people are like, oh

773
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<v Speaker 2>my god, you do you look just like Steve Blake,

774
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<v Speaker 2>so you know, hopefully he's considered to be very handsome,

775
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<v Speaker 2>because you know, I can't deny I do think i'd

776
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 2>look like him slightly. How about these vibes here? As

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<v Speaker 2>we wrap this thing up, We're out of time, aren't we?

778
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<v Speaker 2>What a fast show. We had a lot of fun today,

779
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<v Speaker 2>didn't we.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, some Jay Williams action, some little ACC SEC hangover.

781
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<v Speaker 2>Hey, there's no way that they, I mean, the ACC

782
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 2>is going to get killed. Yeah, it would be great

783
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<v Speaker 2>though if the only when the ACC has is Clemson

784
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<v Speaker 2>beating Kentucky, that could live with that. Well with it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're out of time. We'll be back tomorrow. Join us

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<v Speaker 2>right here on Sports Talk seven ninety