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all the knicks and Granty's, all the news and notes
coming out of Brigham.
Speaker 1: I put out a poll yesterday.
Speaker 3: One of the things that you know, we were talking
hoop and it just kind of came off the cuff.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll do these polls that just come off.
Speaker 3: The cuff, and then you know, we're not always doing
all of our due diligence as to what it is
that you know, all the qualitative and quantitative data that
would go to support the question or poll of the day,
but we just get into them off the cuff. And
I asked the question who's the most talented player that
ever come through BYU? And they want to rehash that.
I don't know, Ronnie, if you reached out to JT.
Because I want to get them on to discuss this,
but I want to get a baseline of what we determine. Okay,
before we maybe re enter this conversation, what is the
definition of talent? Because I think everyone has like a
subjective meaning to what talent is. Some people lean more
towards the innate abilities of somebody, not the developed abilities
of somebody.
Speaker 1: These are innate.
Speaker 3: Qualities of an individual that aren't necessarily as much developed
as they are just god given genetic biochemical abilities, whatever.
Speaker 1: They made neuromuscular abilities.
Speaker 3: I tend to be more kind of in the innate,
natural conversation than the developed conversation of talent. Talent can
be developed, no doubt. Talents can be developed, no doubt.
But some of the things that we're discussing here, like
for instance, twenty four to seven on three, when they
give a star rating, they're talking about the ceiling of
a player, a five star talent, first round NFL pick,
et cetera. So when I'm discussing talent, that's where I
tend to lean. It's like, what's the ceiling the potential? Like,
what are you willing to pay to hopefully get that
clay into your program, into your organization.
Speaker 1: And see how far they can go.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I want to get a baseline from all of
our maybe our listeners as well as our talents here
at ESPN the fans. So we're gonna delve back into
that as a topic of conversation. One of the things, okay, awesome.
One of the things I also wanted to get it.
JG's gonna join us, by the way, it'll be a
great segment. One of the other things I want to
get to today is Quarterback two. I think this is
an important conversation. Who is BYU's QB two? We thought
it could be maybe a Juco transfer that was acquired,
committed science sealm delivered. Possibly that was retracted, that was rescinded,
it didn't go, It didn't come to fruition.
Speaker 1: So is it Tracon Borgay.
Speaker 3: Are you bought in on Tracon Borgay as your QB
two or are you bought into maybe a young, aspiring,
talented young man by the name of Enik Watson. Okay,
I don't know if Cole Hagen is still going to
be on the roster as a player this next season.
The brother of Cody Hagen, love call great high school
football player, hasn't really gotten any looks though on the
depth chart. You lost McKay Hillstead. He's going to be
the starting quarterback at Youthah State. So I want to
get into that a little bit and what we're looking
for at OURQB two. Who's gonna be that guy? Who's
going to be that dude? And so that's a couple
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Speaker 1: Another topic I want to broach.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw this or not,
but the nc DOUBLEA has finally probably due to legal
anti trust.
Speaker 1: Issues, they have now.
Speaker 3: Allowed for jersey sponsor patches on your favorite college football
team favorite college basketball teams jerseys up to two logos
on jerseys, one on equipment. Okay, not allowed though in
NCAA championship events, but the NCAA Division One Cabinet approved
it today effective August first, so all D one teams
will be permitted up to two additional commercial logos on
their uniforms and one additional commercial logo on equipment during
the preseason plus regular season with an additional logo for
conference championship games, they can go out and sell that.
They can utilize that as an ad ad revenue, another
kind of corporate sponsorship revenue stream for their athletic departments.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 3: I think the question is what's the business, what's the brand,
and that doesn't mess up the clean, iconic singular jerseys
and branding that BYU has. You don't want to mess
with it. Like the swoosh is beautiful. A Jordan insignia
is also just celestial. It's fantastic. You put another logo
on there and look. I think BoA's athletic department should
do this. They should try to maximize in a tasteful way,
every single opportunity, every single corporate entity that anything that
you can, you can sponsor, anything you monetize, do it BYU.
Speaker 1: You should do it. But you can't ruin the look.
Speaker 3: You can't disrupt the clean aesthetic look of Brigham Young University.
Speaker 1: You just can't do it.
Speaker 3: That royal pops baby and you don't want to distract
from the beauty of Brigham on the football. So we're
going to get into that want to get your thoughts.
Onday Kugar Day should give your thoughts and much more.
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Let's else are welcome.
Speaker 3: And Brett always bringing the hammer habittime shows up.
Speaker 6: Bro. I don't like to incite hate here on a Friday.
I want people to just go into the weekend happy.
But I'm Mary Center, just a Cuban you are. Yeah,
I'm pretty upset today. I know we knew this was coming,
but I'm pretty fired up that Notre Dame went ahead
and made a backdoor.
Speaker 1: Deal with the College twelve playoff committee.
Speaker 6: And what makes me even more upset is that somehow
this is like a controversial issue of people being upset
about Notre Dame because Steven A. Smith went off about
it on First Take today and people are having a
field day with Stephen A on Twitter and on the internet.
I don't understand how this is controversial. What Notre Dame
did was wrong. They made a backdoor deal with the committee.
I mean it would be like if we're all you, Me,
and Ron, We're all sitting there interviewing for a job,
and then somebody else is out getting a beer with
the hiring manager while we're all waiting to start our interview.
Hold on, you're upset that you're not getting treated like
everyone else because you feel you're being held to a
different standard. You are being held to a different standard
because guess what. In life, we have what's called opportunity cost.
If you choose this, you cannot also choose this. You
can't have your cake and eat it too. I totally
understand Notre Dame's perspective. We don't want to split revenue
with everyone else. We want to make an absolute bag
from NBC. Got it, Totally understand. I'm good with it.
I respect the hustle. But again, opportunity costs. You chose this,
so you do not also get to choose. We want
to play with the same equity of being in a
conference and the weight of being in a conference championship.
Speaker 1: I don't respect it. Notre Dame did it.
Speaker 6: I'm impressed Frankly, I don't know if they blackmailed someone
at the collegeur wall playoff commit because I don't understand
what level forge Notre Dame even had.
Speaker 1: Because if Notre Dame comes to the.
Speaker 6: Committee and says, fine, we're not going to participate in
the playoffs next year, Okay, cool, you weren't in it
this last year and guess what it was the most
watched national championship in history or second most. Yeah, So
I don't really understand how Notre Dame and Bevaqua and
the crew were able to leverage the committee into getting
this deal done. I'm impressed. I can't say I respect it,
but here we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Look, we know Notre Dame has been one of the
iconic brands of college football.
Speaker 1: Yes, for.
Speaker 3: As long as there's been televisions, right, you know, I
mean as long as there's been the television production, Notre
Dame has been a key component to advertisers. Ever, everyone wanted,
everyone wants to piggyback off of that. And there's a
reason why Notre Dame went independent has still been independent
because they can operate very economically healthily. In they are
they did I think over two hundred and thirty five
million in revenue in twenty twenty four. They have a
valuation if you were allowed to like invest private equity
into Notre Dames valuation, They're like a one point one
billion dollar entity. They're a billion dollar brand. So you
ask like, okay, well what's the leverage. You're right, like
SEC Big ten. They're aligned with ESPN, they're aligned with Fox.
And you know, we don't.
Speaker 1: Know how far, how wide, how.
Speaker 3: Impactful the tentacles of of alumni base of the Catholic
faith for all that I you know, I mean, who
knows that they are advocates advocates everywhere for Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: You have no idea whose backs are scratched.
Speaker 3: You have no idea who's being bought off, You have
no idea you know, just the the amount of influence
that Notre Dame has in different fastest, different worlds, different
corporations that impact ESPN, Fox and everybody else.
Speaker 1: They will find a way.
Speaker 3: If you're powerful enough, if you're if you're if you're
influential enough, you'll find a way to twist an arm,
find the pain point threats right like you know, just
don't we won't know we're not having something because they
got the deal done.
Speaker 1: They got it.
Speaker 3: Done, so we can piss and moan and and we're
gonna Steven A. Smith went off on the rant. I'm
sure we can listen to it in the inter in
that maybe in the nitty gritty. So he goes off
on an iconic ramp because he's like getting a conference.
It's ESPN, I think and others that could have been
involved may have tried to force Notre Dame's hand or
at least influence them, like, hey, they're a borderline college
football playoff team.
Speaker 1: They're trying to influence them and get into a conference.
Speaker 3: Why Because it's better for the entirety of college football
is what they say. But it's better for the TV entities, right,
ESPN and Fox, the two big sports entities, not a.
So that's they fired a warning shot. And what did
Notre Dame do? They quit their bowl game? They quit
the Pop Tarts Bowl. They then pissed and moan to complain.
Beverquah went onto all of the stations everywhere and said, X,
Y and Z made his case for why they did
what they did and what they're going to do going forward,
and then they executed this deal.
Speaker 1: They executed it.
Speaker 3: They ran to this deal and said never again, never
again will we be left out. If we're in the
top twelve, we're going to the College Football playf which
by the way.
Speaker 6: Would have bumped Miami out this year, and Notre Dame would.
Speaker 1: Have got that say exactly, which is absurd. It's insane.
So it's unfortunate, but Notre Dame has a lot.
Speaker 3: Of power in this industry right their key revenues, I said, ABC,
their NBC media rights are I apologize for that.
Speaker 1: It's NBC.
Speaker 3: And they also have the ACC affiliation. Remember they were threatening.
Speaker 1: To like disassociate from the ACC.
Speaker 3: There were rumors that they were having conversations with other
conferences to bring their like Olympic sports and have an
agreement in place for like six conference football.
Speaker 1: Games for Notre Day.
Speaker 3: Because of what the ACC and person you know, purportedly
ESPN did to them. So anyway, we'll listen to that
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Speaker 3: So you may have heard the news with the NCAA
officially approving commercial jersey patches in college football. I'm asking
you this question, which by friendly business or brand would
best fit on a BYU uniform without ruining the clean
look and tradition that tradition, the traditional look of the jersey.
Speaker 1: Who do you got and why? Look?
Speaker 3: Some of your corporate sponsors right now that are paying
money to be a part of BYU Athletics are companies
like you know, we see Delta, Neutra, cost Right, America, First, Qualterricks,
inter Mountain Health, vivint Right. These are some of the
major corporate sponsors. And you gotta be judicious about what
you put on your jersey. If you're an iconic brand,
you don't want their college. Do you want Vivince orange
on your No, you can't. You can't put the vidoid.
So it's got to be subtle, and it's probably got
to be a white lettering that's adjacent in corroborative with
the white lettering that that accents the royalness, the royality
of it all, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So it has to be distinct enough so that people
can notice it, like, it can't blend into the jersey
too much.
Speaker 1: Otherwise the sponsors say, no one can see the Yeah,
what am I paying for?
Speaker 3: So it's subtle, man, it's nuanced, and they're gonna need
to really evaluate this. Is it packs Packs has paid
a lot of money to have the brand on the field.
Speaker 1: So when you you.
Speaker 3: Span that it's a Leavelle Edward Stadium at pas Field.
I don't know if they've officially cut gone with that,
but I know that they it has been in the past.
So is there a favorite that you would like featured
that really like friends?
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example.
Speaker 3: Built Barr was really an awesome corporate sponsorship because you
had the built for life program right, built not born
philosophy behind it. There was a lot of meaning behind it.
Bill Bar big BYU fans. Nick Greer, my state president,
shout out to Nick Ronald Stake president as well, fantastic leader.
We appreciate him and that he's the owner operator of
Bill Bar and he aligned and it gave scholarships essentially
to all the walk Ons. My brother was a beneficiary
of that. Just it was it was awesome to watch
and it really hit home. It really aligned perfectly. That's
what you want ideally, So which brand corporate sponsor would
align best with the Jersey and or equipment.
Speaker 6: I feel like Bilt makes the most sense because of
everything you just still want outlined.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 6: You could find a way to make Crumble work. I
think you could do it without the pink. I think
even if, like I think the lettering of Crumble is
unique enough that if there was like a blue outline
or because it's mostly pink and white is their brand.
So I think there's a way you could make Crumble work.
Speaker 3: Plus, I think a with all you gonna put like
the little chef to the right. Oh you know, it's
just a white the white outlined chef. You know I'm
talking about I could work.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean do you do the chef and
then you do the lettering right underneath, Like, I think
that's enough. I think Delta would be cool just because
of like the nostalgia of Delta Center, which we've brought back,
and they just feel like a Utah company even though
it's Delta.
Speaker 1: However, there's no way red is going on that uniform.
Speaker 6: So you have to say, hey, look, Delta, we get
it's part of your deal, but there's no version of
that logo that can be red.
Speaker 1: So are you willing to negotiate there?
Speaker 6: I know Neutral Cross has poured in a bunch of
money obviously because of Yeah, because and they had that
shack Yeah, they had.
Speaker 1: That shack commercial with AJ here's the other one.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there's other ones where I'm like, yeah, you
could do it, but your primary colors are red, and
there's no way Red's touch in that uniform. So I
think for me number one on my wish list, I
would go Crumble, except I also think that's the one
that's the most fun, right, Like, I don't want some
lame like business to business corporate. I hate to take shots,
but like I want something that like I can appreciate.
Speaker 1: Being on the uniform. I guess that's what I'm saying.
But also it whoever pays the most money, so who cares?
I put out a visual on this.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've looked at it, but like,
so like qual Tricks, do you put a mountain behind that?
Speaker 1: Is that too much?
Speaker 3: If you if you go away from just the verbiage,
so you can put the name on America First, Credit
unionr Qualtricks, Inder, Mountain Health, Vivid, Crumble, you can just
put it there right right, or do you need to
have a logo associated with the lettering.
Speaker 1: I think you kind of.
Speaker 6: I guess it depends, right, because there are some companies
who like their lettering is iconic enough that you get
it from just looking at it.
Speaker 1: Sure, and I think Crumble is one of those, especially
because it's short.
Speaker 6: It's crumbl It's five letters, so it's straight to the point.
Speaker 1: So I think it just depends. But yeah, because if you.
Speaker 3: Just put the logo there and it's not with the
correct coloring, you're really not getting a whole lot.
Speaker 1: Of ROI exactly does that make sense? Hundred percent?
Speaker 3: So it has to be a recognizable logo without the lettering. Ideally,
you just want a logo on there that's really subtle
and not honestly the letting, because if you have Eddie
on there, Eddie HR or packs or you know, if
you just wrote out Delta, I don't know, like Mountain
America right there on the on the right shoulder.
Speaker 6: So I pulled up some of the NBA jersey patches
just to get an idea of what we're working with. Sure,
and it just there's not really one set rule there's
It kind of just depends, Like Paypals on the Phoenix
suns and they have theirs with their logo and the text,
and it has the colors the Pelicans, Iyebota.
Speaker 1: It's just the letters.
Speaker 6: But I think again we talked about like that one
kind of makes sense because it's just like sick letters.
I really think it depends on who the sponsor is,
how iconic the letters are just on their own, and
how those colors would mesh with the jersey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, chid mad Kugarnation want to hear
from you. I think I I have probably a favorite here.
Let me give you all the other corporate sponsors. I said,
Mountain America, Doughterra, Smarty, streets, smarter, you got new Skin Ye.
New Skin is a is a big corporate sponsor for
b YU. I mentioned packs, Zion's Bank, Zion's Bank. Yeah,
you know, let's just do Zion's bank. Let's do Sign's Bank.
I think I like Zion's Bank.
Speaker 6: I don't want Mountain America because that one's associated with
Arizona State, and I don't like Arizona State. I like
where your head's at. Plus it's red, so I also
couldn't do it that way.
Speaker 1: Give me Zions Bank. That one feels like, you know,
Zion like Ziant feels Zion. You want to come to Zion.
What's the logo for Zions Bank.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just it's just Sign's bank, Bro, that's
the log it's lettering, yeah, letter Signs Bank.
Speaker 1: I could see it or you can just go Zions.
Speaker 6: I do think that's like, I like that sticks out
enough that I think you could get it and be
clean and simple.
Speaker 1: However, like do they feel like just putting that? Do
they feel like that's enough? Roy? Yeah, I don't know,
Zions hits. I do like the idea though. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyways, like when you when you look up Zions though
it does the bank come up first? Or does Zion's
National Park come up on the Seouh it's Science Bank, Bro,
It's Zion's Bank.
Speaker 1: Oh I went to images.
Speaker 6: Oh you know, okay, Well so when I did images
with Science Bank obviously came up. But when you type
in Zions and you just go to images, that bank
is nowhere to be seen.
Speaker 3: So they need to work on their se O there anyway.
But a Zion's Bank does come up first on the
SEO for Google.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's kind of where I'd go with it.
But Chatman on it one.
Speaker 3: You hear from me With the NCA officially approving commercial
jersey patches in college football, which B way your friendly
business or brand would fit best on a bway uniform
without ruining that clean look and traditional look of the jersey.
Speaker 1: Right now, you have the Big twelve logo.
Speaker 3: They're on the right shoulder, So I imagine the jury
that that that logo patch is gonna be on maybe
above that on the shoulder pad.
Speaker 1: So it's got to be pretty subtle.
Speaker 3: Zion's Big twelve, crumble, Big twelve, qual tricks, Big twelve.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I'm looking at jerseys right now and I'm like,
it's already because you also have I'm looking at Carson
Ryan who has a already above the Big twelve, like
it's gonna get pretty crowded, and the swoosh doesn't doesn't
like to be crowded. What if you put it like
could you put it like right above like the neck,
like right above the name plate. I don't know if
it work. It's already really crowded as is. I'm trying
to find out where that thing would even go.
Speaker 1: Just put it on like the the lower back, right
right under the numbers, you know what I uh, I mean.
Isn't that kind of how they do it with soccer jerseys.
I don't know. I think that is how they kind
of do it for soccer jersey. That might be talking
out of my yeah, but I don't want anything.
Speaker 3: You know, where they've put the They put the built
bar on the underside, on the very back, on the
nape of the neck of the of the U of
the helmet too, so we had built I think, and you.
Speaker 1: Have the the little.
Speaker 3: Face mask signage to where you can put some stuff
for the equipment.
Speaker 6: Yes, you could put it like right there. That's how
this on the backside, underneath the numbers. It's it's gonna
be somebody's gonna have to do some really creative work
to find where this thing's gonna fit.
Speaker 1: You're gonna ruin.
Speaker 3: You could ruin the look, the clean look, even with
like continuity of color.
Speaker 1: Scheme, is what I'm getting at.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's a way to do it that
doesn't I think there's bad and less bad, but I
don't think there's a good way to do it. Considering
everything that's already on those jerseys.
Speaker 3: Now, that's what you love about BYU's jersey. Do you
think this basically is, do you think BYU sells they're
a corporate sponsorship for their jersey and equipment?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you think they'd one hundred percent? I bet money
on it in Vegas today.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a part of me that thinks they will.
But there's another part of me that thinks, like, I
don't know if they need to. They don't need to.
I don't think they need to.
Speaker 3: Like I'm wondering what what uh Brian Santiago's gonna do here?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, this is a this is a high level Brian
Santiago executive decision in combination with corporate sponsorships.
Speaker 6: This is kind of like your big stamp as your
in your first year as athletic directors.
Speaker 1: Like, what are you gonna do with this? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean Brett we all know Brett yor Mark would
do it. Yeah, and he would be like, it doesn't
matter the college scheme. Let's just go baby, how much money,
Let's go sell it.
Speaker 6: How much is going into my bank account and not
into the schools that are in the conference, because we
still don't know where all this money is going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly I'm wondering, Like I wouldn't be surprised if
Brian said, now, good, we don't need to we don't
need to sell that.
Speaker 1: It's too ticky techie, it's too.
Speaker 3: You know, even like I think Tom Tom may have
strugged a little bit, even like putting packs on level
at levell Edwards Stadium.
Speaker 1: On the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think because it's like, hey, it's Lavelle's stadium.
He was only getting paid one hundred and twenty thousand
in his final year, Like he deserves to have the
name of no corporate so we can put all the
corporate sponsorships up on like all of the the what
is it, the all of the digital boards right, and
all the flash of lights when those first drop, by
the way, I was like, I felt like I was
in a club the strobe lights.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I guess I can't say anything.
Speaker 3: Man is crazy anyway, you don't want to go overboard
as money, it's gotta be tasteful. So this may be
the board, like the threshold that you don't want to cross,
just in the name of the filthy lucre.
Speaker 6: And I if you don't do it right, like I
think it could do I don't want to use the
word hurt, but I think it could be like a
little bit of a net negative if you don't do
it in the right way, where everything just looks jumbled
and crowded. And I wonder how much it actually even
does for the sponsor if it does come out that way.
So whoever's in charge of this, whoever you decide to
go with this cannot be like, oh hey, we'll take
your money and slap it on like it's really gotta fit.
It's gotta work, and I think there's gotta be a
message and a mission behind it.
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Guys.
Speaker 3: That's our initial segment. Let's get into the Stephen A.
Smith rant coming up next. Notre Dame. Okay, if they're
in the top twelve of the college football player by
the way, they are not expanding the playoff.
Speaker 1: Nope, it's twelve. That's it. That's all who's going. I
don't know if that's good news for BAU by the way,
I don't think it is unless they win the Big twelve.
I don't think it is the win to get in
Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: If they're in the top twelve, which you're looking at
their schedule and it you know, even with a one loss,
even with that one loss to BA, they're probably in
the top twelve.
Speaker 1: Look at the schedule. Oh, I trust me. I did
the numbers on the schedule.
Speaker 6: And fun fact, if you use this year's SP plus rankings,
Notre Name actually has a better schedule than Texas Tech does.
Speaker 1: Would you believe that? Wow, a more fortuitouve schedule.
Speaker 6: Yes, Notre Dame has a harder schedule than Texas Tech.
Average SP plus for Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Let me pull it up. I just did the math
right here.
Speaker 6: So average SP plus for Notre Dame for so, if
you use this year's SP plus numbers for their schedule
next year, which again people could get better and stuff
like that, Notre Dame is seventy four point one in
averagees P plus. Texas Tech is eighty two point three.
Speaker 3: This is what's gonna happen, hammertime, Blia is gonna beat
Notre Dame. B Alwa's gonna go gonna be undefeated going
into the Big twelve championship game versus Tech Tech. They're
gonna lose the Texas Tech and then they're gonna be
outside of college football playoff and Notre Dame somehow gets
in because that's their even though that's their one loss.
Speaker 6: So Ron needs to clip that right now.
Speaker 4: He wrote it down.
Speaker 5: I wrote it down as he was saying it because
I like and I wrote in capital letters the word
that I can't say over the airways because it's a fine.
But Ben, if that happens, I'm gonna be outraged. I'm
then you might have to find a new producer because
I might not watch college football for you, guys, that's serious.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell you, but that very well.
Speaker 3: I have to you college college and then the colle
Football playerf Committee, what are they gonna say, Well, that
game was on the road in a hostile environment, and
b what you lost by fourteen points versus Tech in
the Big Twelve championship games.
Speaker 1: Just wasn't competitive.
Speaker 3: Competitive, It wasn't a quality enough loss. The defense Tech
hasn't played anyone this year. That was their first game,
you know it, And they'll completely discount the fact that
it's a home game for Texas Tech in Texas and
that somehow they got like eighty percent of the tickets
and b why you only got twenty percent of them? Anyway,
all I'm saying is I'm just saying I hate to
be a conspiracy theorist, but all my conspiracy theories have
come to fruition and have been validated over the last
five years.
Speaker 1: So all I'm saying is this could happen pressed.
Speaker 5: We got to go undefeated, so we don't leave it
up to the committee.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, and Notre Dame's saying leave no doubt,
but they really don't have to leave any doubt.
Speaker 1: They can lose a game.
Speaker 4: Twelve, they're good.
Speaker 3: You know, if they lose two games, they don't have
to They don't have to compete in a conference championship game.
Speaker 1: They don't have that extra data point. They have the
thirteenth data point.
Speaker 6: But what's crazy is what you're saying right now about
what could happen to BYU. So for people who don't know,
this Notre Dame deal got done, Chris Vanini's reporting he
got done two years ago, so this isn't new. But
had this deal been in place this season, what you're
saying right now would have happened to Miami and Miami team,
by the way, who went on to play in the
National Championship and beat Ohio State and beat everybody else.
So this is it's you're not that crazy, because we
almost saw it happen this year.
Speaker 3: And it's like you brought up a really good point.
If we had this system this season, Miami's out yep.
And so the team that really played Indiana arguably the
best out of any team all season long, doesn't get
into the National championship game.
Speaker 6: He doesn't notre dame wind and complained and bleeped and
mon because.
Speaker 3: They're female canines. But thank you for coming and finally
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So a couple of things here we're gonna get into
as uh as we discussed in the first seg I
want to listen to the stephen A. Smith rant on
Notre Dame. I think we got a queued up ready
to roll. For those that don't know Notre Dame. If
they're in the top twelve at the end of the season,
which they most likely will be in twenty twenty six,
they're getting to the CFP no matter what.
Speaker 1: They're locked in. They they they got a deal done.
Speaker 3: This was in the works for two years now and
they got it pretty much done. It's like we didn't
really find out about this publicly until this year though,
so we didn't find out about it, but they had
been executed a while back. They're not expanding, they're only
they're keeping it at twelve. And that's another controversial thing here,
but that's the state.
Speaker 1: In which we're in. Stephen A. Smith is going to
go off on the rental, but real quick, what do
you got from me here?
Speaker 6: Brett Am I the only one who feels like it's
a little shady that we didn't find out about this
until a month ago when I think it was.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it Beviquah who told us.
Speaker 6: I think he was doing an interview on one of
the shows, and I think that's how we found out.
Speaker 1: I'm an institution, No foy was.
Speaker 6: I just feel like it's a little shady that you
had this backdoor deal done years ago and we are
all just finding out about it now. And my guess
is the reason you didn't want to tell everybody is
because you knew that if people found out, they would
be outraged. It's the same type if I came home
and I didn't tell my parents on this because I
didn't want them to know. I didn't omit things because
I didn't think they wouldn't care.
Speaker 1: I knew they'd care. I didn't want them to know.
Speaker 6: And I kind of feel like that's how it is
with Notre Dame again, Like good on them for getting
this deal done, but I can't say I respect it.
Speaker 1: Well, No, you're not gonna respect it at all. You're
t oed.
Speaker 3: If you're anybody out in a conference. It's doing it
the traditional way, the conference way. But let's listen to
Steve nation Smith here go off on a rant about
Notre Dame and there's Notre Dame college football play off
top twelve guarantee deal that they've executed.
Speaker 8: Really ticked off, and I think a lot of people
should be first of.
Speaker 4: All, you know.
Speaker 8: Speaking of coach Ryan Day out of Ohio State. Before
the college football playoffs, he was an advocate of increasing
the teams of the playoff field from twelve team, say,
to sixteen or even twenty for crying out loud. It's
something that I would definitely welcome because I think a
lot of teams deserve a shot. If you're gonna put
Tulane and James Madison in there from the group of five,
group of six, whatever the hell is called these days, Okay,
you could put some of the top ranked of thirteenth
rank team or fourteen or fifteenth rank team that's number one.
Speaker 4: Number two.
Speaker 8: The reason why I'm ticked off is because what the
hell is this about?
Speaker 7: No to Day?
Speaker 8: Why do we got a separate category for Notre Dame?
What makes them so damned special? I'm really getting sick
of us know to Day fawning. I mean, what, who
the hell are Day?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 8: The fighting Irish whatever. I love Marcus Freeman, love him,
love him, Okay, great coach?
Speaker 1: All right? And I respect No to Dame. And I
want to state for the.
Speaker 8: Record that I think that they should have been in
the postseason. I get it, they were clearly one of
the top twelve teams in the nation. But when people
are complaining about, well Alabama went in there ahead of them, Well,
Alabama went to Athens and beat Georgia on the road
weeks earlier. Yeah, they got stomped in the SEC championship
game by Georgia a few weeks later, but they were
pretty banged up at that particular moment in time, and
they had beaten Georgia on the road, they played a
conference championship game. What was Notre Dame doing They were
at home sitting.
Speaker 4: On their couch.
Speaker 8: Why because they're not a member of a conference. They
had an opportunity to be a member of a conference.
Did the ad sitting there wanting and moaning about how.
Speaker 1: You know Miami?
Speaker 8: You know the ACC Commission didn't speak up for no
to day but spoken for Miami. Well, you got about
twenty five sports, twenty three of them are in the ACC,
but you pulled football out because you want to keep
the bag for yourself.
Speaker 1: So you want the bag. Plus you want them.
Speaker 8: To sit up there and blow you about you even
though you want to associate your football program with the
confer because you want to keep the bag off of yourself,
and then when you don't make the playoffs, you want
to blame everybody else instead of looking for.
Speaker 1: The mirror into the mirror. This is sickening.
Speaker 7: This is sickening.
Speaker 1: It should be.
Speaker 8: Sixteen to twenty to twenty teams.
Speaker 1: In the playoffs.
Speaker 8: I'm not sick over that. I just prefer sixteen to
twenty over the twelve. But this separate category. Oh no, there,
Dame is definitely going to be in if they finished
in the top twelve. Bump No to Dame, get Joe
ass in a conference and compete like everybody else.
Speaker 1: You set up there.
Speaker 8: You gotta sec got a contract, acc got a contract,
Big ten got a contract as a conference. No to
Dame got a contract with NBC, all by his damn self,
you know, and then expected privileges.
Speaker 1: This is not right. Wow crazy.
Speaker 3: He went out of his way to make sure that
he showed a lot of the Marcus Freeman. I do
think he is one of the best coaches, and he's
a great coach, and really, this is not what we're
talking about here. I don't think we know Marcus Freeman
was not in there orchestrating this deal.
Speaker 1: This was administration, not the coach. Yeah, I know he
did quit the Pop Tarts Bowl, though that is true.
He quit the Pop Tarks Bowl.
Speaker 3: He said, I'm too good for the Pop Tarchs Bowl,
and I don't want to lose because I have some
guys going to the NFL and I won't.
Speaker 1: They won't play too good for the People's Nationals.
Speaker 3: And if you're a really good coach, you would have
convinced your guys to come back and play in the
Pop Tarts.
Speaker 1: Bum. Hey, you're better than this. We don't quit. I
do think there is We don't quit to that.
Speaker 3: We don't quit, dude, No, we don't quit. We we
are the fighting Irish. This is a lesson learned. Marcus
Freeman folded week. Great coach, great, but you lost me
there a little bit fair.
Speaker 6: But I still disrespect the administration of Notre Dame more
than I disrespect Marcus Freeman for that.
Speaker 3: Do you think Marcus ultimately made the decision? Do you
think the administration did so?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think Marcus coulda fight.
It could have. I can see.
Speaker 6: The hard part is when Beva Kui is the one
out they're masquerading and tie raiding, then it's hard. I
mean and look, maybe he did that so that there
wouldn't be blowback on Marcus Freeman. So he said, Hey,
I'll be the scapegoat for this, I'll be the face
of it.
Speaker 1: That way none of it blows back on you.
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, again, like, I'll tip my
hat for you playing more intense game than the rest
of us thought.
Speaker 1: But I do think Bevaqua is the easy target for
a reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what else should out to you guys from that
rant from steven A Smith.
Speaker 6: I mean it's it's it's all valid, right, Like there's
nothing in there, Stephen I said that wasn't true. I
do think it was interesting that he listed all the
conferences who had a deal and didn't list the big Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, Steven, I got beef with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that was.
Speaker 6: It's only four, Like you only had to name one
more and you would have hit everybody.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, the ACC is not even relevant.
Speaker 6: But I understand you work for a company that has
an exclusive deal with the ACC network.
Speaker 1: I get all of that. I know how Steven I don't.
I'm not typically a steven A guy, but I'm glad
that steven.
Speaker 6: A is going to bat for this because he's taken
a lot of heat on the internet. I can't understand why,
because everything he said was true. You took the money,
so therefore you also get to take now being in
a conference and the issues that come with that.
Speaker 1: But so I'm with stephen A on this one.
Speaker 5: Ben, this is how you know you're a polarizing and
the most hated figure in television.
Speaker 4: This man is hated for his political views.
Speaker 5: This man is hated for his takes regarding sports, and
now this man gives probably the best take I think
of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: It's early.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, let me not say hate it. Thank you, Brett.
I think he's he's hated by he's disliked.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 4: I'll say the dislike because hate is a strong word.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 5: The point is he is I'll say this this, and
you can't argue with this. People come after him for
all of it, for his takes regarding sports, politics, a
lot for the one take that he did not miss
on in twenty twenty six, and grand 're only twenty
three days in.
Speaker 4: It's very early, and steven A does miss a lot.
Speaker 5: That is is crazy that people are actually commenting and
saying something. So you're okay with this, like the people
that are coming, So you're okay with Notre Dame having
an exclusive deal that if they're a top twelve team
and there's someone else that deserves to be in there,
it's okay. You know what this reminds me of, Well,
that's not my problem until it affects me, Like that's
how I feel about it. I feel like that's how
it is. Oh, I don't care until it affects me. Like, no,
you need to care the same way.
Speaker 4: Stephen A.
Speaker 5: Smith cares like I don't care about Notre Dame and
they can honestly go kick rocks.
Speaker 4: I hate to set it over theors the airways, but
it's true.
Speaker 5: Why should they be allowed to have a deal when
you have other teams like Miami who fought hard, who
get in and go to the National Championship Game. Now
you should expand some more teams could get in. But
who's to say they couldn't have been BYU want to
be textan am, We don't know. We can play the
what if game all day, but I just don't think
that a BYU team if they were to beat Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: Like you said, it in the first segment. I wrote
it down. I wrote it down so we have.
Speaker 5: It so we can refer back to But who's to
say next year been when we're having this conversation, if
Nordre Dame would be allowed to be in and BAU
would be knocked out, but they beat no like that.
This ritten agreement is stupid because it's gonna punish someone
else who's deserving to be in a college football playoff game.
But because Nordre Dame got with the freaking boys behind
the yard, I wanted to go NBA draft you know
what is it, freaking lie and put the number one
draft pick in the in the sheet for the Dallas
Mavericks when a guy should have it shouldn't have even
been it should have been a Utah Jazz.
Speaker 4: That's what I feel like.
Speaker 5: This is like, it's nepotism at its finest, don't I
have lost all respect for Nordre Dame. I like Marcus
Truman as a person, but because he is guilty by association,
I've lost all respect for norda Dame. I cannot respect
you no longer as a football program, as an institution
because of this, And this is just a football program
in general, because this is unacceptable. We cannot allow this
to do this. You are letting someone this reminds Ben
how do I view this?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: How am I supposed to respect someone that does this?
Speaker 5: Like it's like the Astros when they cheated, everybody thought
they were gonna be the greatest team, talk about that.
Then they cheat in Major League Baseball and the Dodgers
don't like them, no one else, no one wants to
go to that organization. Now, Like that's how I view
Notre Dame. I feel like they're gonna become like the
Houston Astros. You are cheating the game of college football.
You were getting something written in when all you had
to do if you were smart, if they were in
the ACC, you know what would have happened it went
to the title game, they'd have beat up on probably
a Virginia or a duke. But no, they want to
be funny, so you know what happens. You want to
be funny where I'm from, you want to play f
a round and find out cool. Guess what, me and
my crew, we ain't rocking with you no more. And
I feel that everybody should be the same way. You
can have your opinions about it. But I just I
don't respect nor to Dame going forward because look, they
finessed the game. I respect Vanessa, but I won't participate
in this because this is absurd. And if this affects
by you or any of the college football program going forward,
which it's going to, I just don't like it. Why
are we riding in If you want to win, go
beat someone same thing I told b a offense BA
had the opportunity, they lost, and you're leaving up to
someone else. But this is just a joke, bro, Order
Dame's a joke, Ben, I'm sorry going that ran and
but if they're a joke, you can't have this. Like
I don't respect us in college role. You don't get
to write your way into the playoffs.
Speaker 4: You earn it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So those that don't know, Okay, this is essentially
what's occurred. In March of twenty twenty four, there was
an agreement signed Notre Dame in the College FOOTBA Playoff
Management Committee signed a memorandum of understanding in March twenty
twenty four that included the provision guaranteeing Notre Dame as
a as a college football playoff birth guarantee m a
CFP birth if the Irish finished inside the top twelve
of the final CFP rankings under the expanded playoff rules.
That rule obviously did not apply for the twenty twenty
five college football season, which played out under the earlier
twelve team selection process without Notre Dame's automatic top twelve guarantee,
leading to obviously the controversy that occurred a Notre Dame
was eleventh but left out of the twenty twenty five bracket.
Speaker 1: Realized the committee knew about this memorandum.
Speaker 6: When did we all find out about that? We found
out about it after the See that's what I thought. Yeah,
and so it goes into effect in twenty twenty six.
But we didn't know about it. But guess who did
know about it? College FOOTBA Playoff comittee knew about the memorandum.
Speaker 1: And knew that. Okay, well, this is not an effect.
That makes me think that ESPN probably knew about it.
Speaker 6: Somebody the exacts, the TV exacts at ESPN that I
don't know if talent reports about it.
Speaker 3: But that's why gave ESPN the bird said I'm not
going to go play in the Pop Tarts Bowl versus
Georgia ten.
Speaker 4: That's why they probably left him out because this was
coming like, oh, we'll bump.
Speaker 1: You, but no, No, that's why I did it.
Speaker 3: And Marcus Freeman may have been along for the ride,
but I still am going to put some some you know, credit,
I'm gonna put some accountability on. He's got to eat
some of that bitter parts the head coach to have
his portion. So the official effective year now is twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: If they're in the top twelve, they guarantee they're guaranteed
to go to the College Football Playoff. If Notre Dame
finishes in the top twelve and those final final rankings,
so they get an automatic berth. So that's the reason
why Steven A. Smith is going off on this and
why others are going off on it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Had they expanded the playoff, that memorandum would have been
Nolan void, so they would have had to get a
new memorandum, a new agreement in place with the CFP
committee saying well, if I'm top.
Speaker 1: Sixteen, then we go in.
Speaker 3: So you wonder how much influence also, the lack of expansion,
the amount of influence Notre Dame had on the College
Football playf Committee to not expand and keep it at twelve.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a valid question, right, Yeah. I still just
have questions about leverage though. How did Notre Dame convince
the committee, especially when the committee is tied directly to ESPN,
who is a direct competitor to NBC and the.
Speaker 1: Bad giver to Notre Dame.
Speaker 6: I don't understand how they convinced the committee to get
this deal done because of remembering everyone's alliances.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 6: The I mean, obviously I'm not jumping to blackmail, but
I just don't understand how this got done unless somebody
paid somebody, And to your point, like Notre Dame saying
we're gonna screw ESPN over by not playing in that
bowl game again, then why would you Well, well, this
is it.
Speaker 1: Let me give you.
Speaker 3: I'll connect the dots for you here and it may
be far fetched, but just work with me here.
Speaker 1: The ACC is.
Speaker 3: Aligned with who ESPN? Okay, how many games do they
play with the ACC?
Speaker 1: Well? Six? Yeah, and Steve and I said they have
twenty three other sports? Who are twenty three?
Speaker 3: This was the ACC schools ESPN product. Does that make
sense that's that's the low hangout that makes that makes sense.
Speaker 6: And so they threaten and say, well, if you don't
do this deal, you are invested in us because we're
inn ACC school.
Speaker 1: So if you don't do this deal, we're gonna pull
our twenty three other sports. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And and if you negotiate with if Notre Dame negotiates
with the Big twelve right or in the the Big
ten you know, you know those the Big tens Fox right,
the Big twelve is ESPN Fox. It's a split. So
you're losing content, you're losing money, you're losing advertising revenue,
you're losing all of this stuff because they're taking all
of their teams Olympic sports and football away from the
ACC product.
Speaker 1: That makes sense easy, So it's easy leverage. It was
all leverage.
Speaker 3: That's why Pat went on his public relations ti ride
and why some of the leagues came out that Notre
Dame was flirting with.
Speaker 1: Leaving the conference.
Speaker 3: They openly and outrightly attacked the ACC commissioner and ESPN.
Speaker 1: You remember that, yep.
Speaker 3: And then Brett yor Mark went on record and said,
I don't agree with how Pat went about this, attacking
the ACC commissioner. Okay, I don't agree with him. I
tell him to his face right here, if he was here,
that's what he said. So you wonder if you were,
if you're Notre Dame, you were probably negotiating with the
Big ten saying hey, yeah, let's let's make a deal.
Speaker 1: What could you do for us?
Speaker 3: Will come in as a as a partial member in football,
we're gonna stay independent.
Speaker 1: Do you want our Olympic sports? Mister Fox? Does that
make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 6: But you almost wonder if Notre Dame's I don't want
to say bluffing, but let's be honest. If you want
to play a partial conference schedule of any powerful conference,
who do you want to play?
Speaker 1: You want? You want to play the ACC? I oh yeah,
no no, So like if you're not in the a C, right.
Speaker 6: Sure yes, but if but if you have any powerful conference,
you want to stay locked in with the ACC because
they have easily the worst, the lowest talent on average
of any conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it's an interesting it's so hopefully
that clears it up. That's what I think happened.
Speaker 6: Do you think Notre Dame then to your point, like,
were they against expansion because they knew if they expanded
then they'd lose their back door deal, Like do you
think they were actively against Well, I just think it's no.
Speaker 3: In voting, then you have to renegotiate another memorandum, right,
So it's like, you know, I think in general, I
don't think that the the big two, Big ten in
SEC they don't want expansion for whatever reason. The TV
like ESPN may not want expansion either. Maybe it's a
logistic operational deal with more you know, with more locations,
more Bowl games, they have to be associated with the CFP.
Maybe there's some logistical stuff there that isn't cost effective.
I mean it it you had to pull teeth just
to get to a playoff here, how long it took
us to get to a playoff and go away for
the BCS an expanded playoff?
Speaker 6: I will say because I so, I because I obviously
worked in TV production for a long time.
Speaker 1: In my old.
Speaker 6: Boss at when I worked for the Hockey Club, he
was the lead producer for TNT and for Max for
the NHL, and so I remember last year we were
having this conversation because I said to him, why is
Max broadcasting some of these games? Like why wouldn't ESPN
do it themselves because ESPN sent out their talent, but
if you notice the branding, it all went through TNT
and MAX and that's because to distribute that game costs
a lot of money and that's why they contracted TNT
to do that.
Speaker 1: So I do think there is some validity there.
Speaker 6: But also I gotta believe that it's gonna like you
do Bowl games. You do however, many Bowl games anyway,
So my guess is maybe because it was last minute,
they didn't know going from four to twelve is a
big jump.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that played a part in it.
Speaker 6: And if they were going to expand, it would be
the same thing again where we're going twelve to sixteen automatically.
So I'm sure there's some validity there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not expand? Right, that's the question, why not expand?
Why would the committee not want to expand? Why wouldn't
ESPN want to expand? Why wouldn't Notre Dame want to expand?
You know, there may be some some verbiage in that
agreement that would disincentivize all three from wanting expansion, But.
Speaker 6: If every conference, because like we have that clip of
Greg Sanki saying, well, we should have gotten seventeams. Then
if every conference wants to get more teams in, why
does it then seem like these two big dogs are
then against expansion because logically, if you had more teams,
your chance for getting more teams from your conference in
would go up. So I now that we've learned about
this Notre Dame deal, I just wonder if there's other
backdoor conversations and people have ulterior motives that we're not
privy to, and that that's part of the reason that
some of the things went down this way.
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you, I mean, I mean, how
controversial was it that Miami got in this year with
everything that happened to the ACC Yeah, how controversial. I mean, look,
they got them in and look at what they did. So,
like everybody, the people want expansion because they want Cinderellas.
Now it was Miami truly a Cinderella. That's as close
as I mean, obviously James Madison or Tulane or true
Cinderella's right, But from a seating standpoint, Miami was a
bit of a Cinderella this year.
Speaker 6: Well, and also remember they lost to two unranked teams
and they didn't even make their own conference championship. So like,
I mean, looking back on the season, we're like, wow,
how good was Miami, But if you actually were in
the season, you're like, dude, Miami was not that good. Now,
they played into it and they deserve all that respect,
but they kind of were a cinderella when you actually
look at how the season played out, spand the playoff.
Speaker 5: Loyoal or Chicago Miami depending on the year, right, maybe
not this year, but they're like like a Syracuse They're
an eleven seed in the in basketball and they just
made a good.
Speaker 4: Run and got to the Elite eight and then ye know,
that's that's how you feel. But from a seat, from
a seating standpoint, yeah.
Speaker 6: It's as much of a cinderella as you can get
with a twelve team playoffs, I agree. In football, yes,
with a two lost team, right, a two lost team
that got into the playoff, that's that's as big as
cinderella as you can get outside of Tulane or JMU winning,
which in football never gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Basketball, it could happen.
Speaker 3: Like it's funny. I remember when bou basketball played U
c l A in the NCAA Tournament that U c
l A team was an eleven seed. They were nineteen
to nine season, and that U c l A team,
I think they went to the final four, if I'm
not mistaken.
Speaker 6: Isn't that the one that they lost to Gonzaga? Right
walk off?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That thing was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure, if I'm not mistaken, I think
they Yeah, it was, they made it to.
Speaker 1: The final four, lead eight. If I'm obviously, I'll have
to pull it up.
Speaker 3: But you know that it's kind of like that manyeah,
you know, it's like eh, you know, and I know
that's not a true cinder relistor because UCLA is UCLA, Right.
Speaker 1: They weren't that year. Yeah, they weren't that year.
Speaker 4: That's where John and became a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right. They lost to Gonzagi that year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was ninety three to ninety UCLA at eleven
seed got to the final four. I don't how often
does an eleven seed get to the final four.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine very often.
Speaker 3: Right, insane that that happened, But ayway insane that Miami
got there.
Speaker 6: But that's why it's insane to me that people are
like because so if you listen to the I listened
to the full clip, the full sixteen minute debate, and
which reminded me of why I don't watch First Take
is because I I can't talk. I can't listen to
people who have no logic in their brain. But Ryan
Clark after this, he goes on the people who think
the playoffs should be they're just insane. They just don't
understand football. I'm like, you don't understand football. You just
saw an eleven seed or a ten seed whatever. Miami was,
who we thought wasn't even good enough to be in
the playoff. They were debating whether USh did they get
in there? They were the only team who could compete
with Indiana all season. So what that tells me is
you can't perfectly see it a twelve team playoff because
you just don't know. How do you give yourself better
odds at picking the best teams? Add more teams in?
It doesn't hurt anybody to add more games.
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