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a great show for you as always here on your

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edition of Cougar Sports, and we want to get into

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all the knicks and Granty's, all the news and notes

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coming out of Brigham.

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Speaker 1: I put out a poll yesterday.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that you know, we were talking

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hoop and it just kind of came off the cuff.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll do these polls that just come off.

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Speaker 3: The cuff, and then you know, we're not always doing

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all of our due diligence as to what it is

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that you know, all the qualitative and quantitative data that

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would go to support the question or poll of the day,

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but we just get into them off the cuff. And

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I asked the question who's the most talented player that

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ever come through BYU? And they want to rehash that.

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I don't know, Ronnie, if you reached out to JT.

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Because I want to get them on to discuss this,

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but I want to get a baseline of what we determine. Okay,

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before we maybe re enter this conversation, what is the

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definition of talent? Because I think everyone has like a

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subjective meaning to what talent is. Some people lean more

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towards the innate abilities of somebody, not the developed abilities

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Speaker 1: These are innate.

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Speaker 3: Qualities of an individual that aren't necessarily as much developed

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as they are just god given genetic biochemical abilities, whatever.

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Speaker 1: They made neuromuscular abilities.

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Speaker 3: I tend to be more kind of in the innate,

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natural conversation than the developed conversation of talent. Talent can

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be developed, no doubt. Talents can be developed, no doubt.

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But some of the things that we're discussing here, like

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for instance, twenty four to seven on three, when they

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a player, a five star talent, first round NFL pick,

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et cetera. So when I'm discussing talent, that's where I

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tend to lean. It's like, what's the ceiling the potential? Like,

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what are you willing to pay to hopefully get that

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clay into your program, into your organization.

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Speaker 1: And see how far they can go.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I want to get a baseline from all of

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our maybe our listeners as well as our talents here

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at ESPN the fans. So we're gonna delve back into

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that as a topic of conversation. One of the things, okay, awesome.

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One of the things I also wanted to get it.

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JG's gonna join us, by the way, it'll be a

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great segment. One of the other things I want to

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get to today is Quarterback two. I think this is

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an important conversation. Who is BYU's QB two? We thought

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it could be maybe a Juco transfer that was acquired,

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committed science sealm delivered. Possibly that was retracted, that was rescinded,

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it didn't go, It didn't come to fruition.

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Speaker 1: So is it Tracon Borgay.

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Speaker 3: Are you bought in on Tracon Borgay as your QB

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two or are you bought into maybe a young, aspiring,

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talented young man by the name of Enik Watson. Okay,

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I don't know if Cole Hagen is still going to

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The brother of Cody Hagen, love call great high school

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football player, hasn't really gotten any looks though on the

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Speaker 1: Another topic I want to broach.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw this or not,

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but the nc DOUBLEA has finally probably due to legal

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anti trust.

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Speaker 1: Issues, they have now.

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Speaker 3: Allowed for jersey sponsor patches on your favorite college football

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team favorite college basketball teams jerseys up to two logos

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on jerseys, one on equipment. Okay, not allowed though in

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NCAA championship events, but the NCAA Division One Cabinet approved

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it today effective August first, so all D one teams

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will be permitted up to two additional commercial logos on

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their uniforms and one additional commercial logo on equipment during

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the preseason plus regular season with an additional logo for

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conference championship games, they can go out and sell that.

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They can utilize that as an ad ad revenue, another

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kind of corporate sponsorship revenue stream for their athletic departments.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 3: I think the question is what's the business, what's the brand,

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and that doesn't mess up the clean, iconic singular jerseys

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and branding that BYU has. You don't want to mess

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with it. Like the swoosh is beautiful. A Jordan insignia

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is also just celestial. It's fantastic. You put another logo

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on there and look. I think BoA's athletic department should

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do this. They should try to maximize in a tasteful way,

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every single opportunity, every single corporate entity that anything that

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you can, you can sponsor, anything you monetize, do it BYU.

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Speaker 1: You should do it. But you can't ruin the look.

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Speaker 3: You can't disrupt the clean aesthetic look of Brigham Young University.

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Speaker 1: You just can't do it.

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Speaker 3: That royal pops baby and you don't want to distract

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from the beauty of Brigham on the football. So we're

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going to get into that want to get your thoughts.

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Why don't fired up to yesb the fan starting lineup

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the architect of the show, executive producer, former BYU rugby player.

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He's our bucket getter. Ronald Cook three man weave.

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Speaker 1: Or what's up, Roddy?

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Everybody?

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Speaker 4: Happy Friday?

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Speaker 5: Everybody glad, everybody's doing well. Apologize if there's some technical difficulties.

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I don't like this board that we have. We've had

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this board for years. I mean this board, not this

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only like three buttons that I had to use.

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Speaker 1: This new one.

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Speaker 5: I know how it operates, but like there's stuff that

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goes in your ear that doesn't go over the radio

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Speaker 1: You don't hear.

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Speaker 5: So it's just and it's all crazy because it's all

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the radio, and it just makes things hard. So I

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apologize guys in advance a lot of sound that I'm

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Speaker 1: Good show as always. I love it, appreciate you, Rodnie,

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Speaker 3: And Brett always bringing the hammer habittime shows up.

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Speaker 6: Bro. I don't like to incite hate here on a Friday.

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I want people to just go into the weekend happy.

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But I'm Mary Center, just a Cuban you are. Yeah,

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I'm pretty upset today. I know we knew this was coming,

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but I'm pretty fired up that Notre Dame went ahead

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and made a backdoor.

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Speaker 1: Deal with the College twelve playoff committee.

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Speaker 6: And what makes me even more upset is that somehow

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this is like a controversial issue of people being upset

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about Notre Dame because Steven A. Smith went off about

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it on First Take today and people are having a

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I don't understand how this is controversial. What Notre Dame

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did was wrong. They made a backdoor deal with the committee.

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I mean it would be like if we're all you, Me,

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and Ron, We're all sitting there interviewing for a job,

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the hiring manager while we're all waiting to start our interview.

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Hold on, you're upset that you're not getting treated like

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everyone else because you feel you're being held to a

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different standard. You are being held to a different standard

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because guess what. In life, we have what's called opportunity cost.

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If you choose this, you cannot also choose this. You

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can't have your cake and eat it too. I totally

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understand Notre Dame's perspective. We don't want to split revenue

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with everyone else. We want to make an absolute bag

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from NBC. Got it, Totally understand. I'm good with it.

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I respect the hustle. But again, opportunity costs. You chose this,

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so you do not also get to choose. We want

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to play with the same equity of being in a

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conference and the weight of being in a conference championship.

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Speaker 1: I don't respect it. Notre Dame did it.

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Speaker 6: I'm impressed Frankly, I don't know if they blackmailed someone

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at the collegeur wall playoff commit because I don't understand

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what level forge Notre Dame even had.

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Speaker 1: Because if Notre Dame comes to the.

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Speaker 6: Committee and says, fine, we're not going to participate in

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the playoffs next year, Okay, cool, you weren't in it

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this last year and guess what it was the most

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watched national championship in history or second most. Yeah, So

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I don't really understand how Notre Dame and Bevaqua and

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the crew were able to leverage the committee into getting

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this deal done. I'm impressed. I can't say I respect it,

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but here we are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: Look, we know Notre Dame has been one of the

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iconic brands of college football.

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Speaker 1: Yes, for.

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Speaker 3: As long as there's been televisions, right, you know, I

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mean as long as there's been the television production, Notre

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Dame has been a key component to advertisers. Ever, everyone wanted,

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everyone wants to piggyback off of that. And there's a

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reason why Notre Dame went independent has still been independent

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because they can operate very economically healthily. In they are

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they did I think over two hundred and thirty five

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million in revenue in twenty twenty four. They have a

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valuation if you were allowed to like invest private equity

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into Notre Dames valuation, They're like a one point one

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billion dollar entity. They're a billion dollar brand. So you

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ask like, okay, well what's the leverage. You're right, like

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SEC Big ten. They're aligned with ESPN, they're aligned with Fox.

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Speaker 1: Know how far, how wide, how.

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Speaker 3: Impactful the tentacles of of alumni base of the Catholic

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faith for all that I you know, I mean, who

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knows that they are advocates advocates everywhere for Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: You have no idea whose backs are scratched.

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Speaker 3: You have no idea who's being bought off, You have

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no idea you know, just the the amount of influence

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that Notre Dame has in different fastest, different worlds, different

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corporations that impact ESPN, Fox and everybody else.

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Speaker 1: They will find a way.

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Speaker 3: If you're powerful enough, if you're if you're if you're

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influential enough, you'll find a way to twist an arm,

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find the pain point threats right like you know, just

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don't we won't know we're not having something because they

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got the deal done.

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Speaker 1: They got it.

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Speaker 3: Done, so we can piss and moan and and we're

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gonna Steven A. Smith went off on the rant. I'm

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sure we can listen to it in the inter in

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that maybe in the nitty gritty. So he goes off

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on an iconic ramp because he's like getting a conference.

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involved may have tried to force Notre Dame's hand or

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at least influence them, like, hey, they're a borderline college

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football playoff team.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to influence them and get into a conference.

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Speaker 3: Why Because it's better for the entirety of college football

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is what they say. But it's better for the TV entities, right,

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ESPN and Fox, the two big sports entities, not a.

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So that's they fired a warning shot. And what did

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Notre Dame do? They quit their bowl game? They quit

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the Pop Tarts Bowl. They then pissed and moan to complain.

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Beverquah went onto all of the stations everywhere and said, X,

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Y and Z made his case for why they did

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what they did and what they're going to do going forward,

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and then they executed this deal.

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Speaker 1: They executed it.

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Speaker 3: They ran to this deal and said never again, never

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again will we be left out. If we're in the

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top twelve, we're going to the College Football playf which

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by the way.

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Speaker 6: Would have bumped Miami out this year, and Notre Dame would.

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Speaker 1: Have got that say exactly, which is absurd. It's insane.

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So it's unfortunate, but Notre Dame has a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of power in this industry right their key revenues, I said, ABC,

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their NBC media rights are I apologize for that.

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Speaker 1: It's NBC.

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Speaker 3: And they also have the ACC affiliation. Remember they were threatening.

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Speaker 1: To like disassociate from the ACC.

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Speaker 3: There were rumors that they were having conversations with other

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conferences to bring their like Olympic sports and have an

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agreement in place for like six conference football.

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Speaker 1: Games for Notre Day.

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Speaker 3: Because of what the ACC and person you know, purportedly

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ESPN did to them. So anyway, we'll listen to that

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Speaker 3: So you may have heard the news with the NCAA

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officially approving commercial jersey patches in college football. I'm asking

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you this question, which by friendly business or brand would

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best fit on a BYU uniform without ruining the clean

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look and tradition that tradition, the traditional look of the jersey.

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Speaker 1: Who do you got and why? Look?

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Speaker 3: Some of your corporate sponsors right now that are paying

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money to be a part of BYU Athletics are companies

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like you know, we see Delta, Neutra, cost Right, America, First, Qualterricks,

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inter Mountain Health, vivint Right. These are some of the

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major corporate sponsors. And you gotta be judicious about what

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you put on your jersey. If you're an iconic brand,

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you don't want their college. Do you want Vivince orange

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on your No, you can't. You can't put the vidoid.

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So it's got to be subtle, and it's probably got

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to be a white lettering that's adjacent in corroborative with

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the white lettering that that accents the royalness, the royality

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of it all, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: So it has to be distinct enough so that people

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can notice it, like, it can't blend into the jersey

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too much.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise the sponsors say, no one can see the Yeah,

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what am I paying for?

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Speaker 3: So it's subtle, man, it's nuanced, and they're gonna need

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to really evaluate this. Is it packs Packs has paid

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a lot of money to have the brand on the field.

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Speaker 1: So when you you.

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I don't know if they've officially cut gone with that,

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but I know that they it has been in the past.

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So is there a favorite that you would like featured

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that really like friends?

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 3: Built Barr was really an awesome corporate sponsorship because you

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had the built for life program right, built not born

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philosophy behind it. There was a lot of meaning behind it.

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Bill Bar big BYU fans. Nick Greer, my state president,

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shout out to Nick Ronald Stake president as well, fantastic leader.

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We appreciate him and that he's the owner operator of

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Bill Bar and he aligned and it gave scholarships essentially

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to all the walk Ons. My brother was a beneficiary

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of that. Just it was it was awesome to watch

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and it really hit home. It really aligned perfectly. That's

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what you want ideally, So which brand corporate sponsor would

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align best with the Jersey and or equipment.

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Speaker 6: I feel like Bilt makes the most sense because of

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everything you just still want outlined.

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Speaker 1: I feel like.

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Speaker 6: You could find a way to make Crumble work. I

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think you could do it without the pink. I think

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even if, like I think the lettering of Crumble is

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unique enough that if there was like a blue outline

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or because it's mostly pink and white is their brand.

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Speaker 3: Plus, I think a with all you gonna put like

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the little chef to the right. Oh you know, it's

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just a white the white outlined chef. You know I'm

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talking about I could work.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean do you do the chef and

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then you do the lettering right underneath, Like, I think

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that's enough. I think Delta would be cool just because

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of like the nostalgia of Delta Center, which we've brought back,

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and they just feel like a Utah company even though

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it's Delta.

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Speaker 1: However, there's no way red is going on that uniform.

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Speaker 6: So you have to say, hey, look, Delta, we get

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it's part of your deal, but there's no version of

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that logo that can be red.

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Speaker 1: So are you willing to negotiate there?

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Speaker 6: I know Neutral Cross has poured in a bunch of

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money obviously because of Yeah, because and they had that

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shack Yeah, they had.

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Speaker 1: That shack commercial with AJ here's the other one.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there's other ones where I'm like, yeah, you

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could do it, but your primary colors are red, and

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there's no way Red's touch in that uniform. So I

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think for me number one on my wish list, I

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would go Crumble, except I also think that's the one

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that's the most fun, right, Like, I don't want some

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lame like business to business corporate. I hate to take shots,

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but like I want something that like I can appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Being on the uniform. I guess that's what I'm saying.

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But also it whoever pays the most money, so who cares?

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I put out a visual on this.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've looked at it, but like,

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so like qual Tricks, do you put a mountain behind that?

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Speaker 1: Is that too much?

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Speaker 3: If you if you go away from just the verbiage,

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so you can put the name on America First, Credit

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unionr Qualtricks, Inder, Mountain Health, Vivid, Crumble, you can just

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put it there right right, or do you need to

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have a logo associated with the lettering.

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Speaker 1: I think you kind of.

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Speaker 6: I guess it depends, right, because there are some companies

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who like their lettering is iconic enough that you get

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it from just looking at it.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and I think Crumble is one of those, especially

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because it's short.

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Speaker 6: It's crumbl It's five letters, so it's straight to the point.

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Speaker 1: So I think it just depends. But yeah, because if you.

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Speaker 3: Just put the logo there and it's not with the

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correct coloring, you're really not getting a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: Of ROI exactly does that make sense? Hundred percent?

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Speaker 3: So it has to be a recognizable logo without the lettering. Ideally,

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you just want a logo on there that's really subtle

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and not honestly the letting, because if you have Eddie

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on there, Eddie HR or packs or you know, if

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you just wrote out Delta, I don't know, like Mountain

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America right there on the on the right shoulder.

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Speaker 6: So I pulled up some of the NBA jersey patches

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just to get an idea of what we're working with. Sure,

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and it just there's not really one set rule there's

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It kind of just depends, Like Paypals on the Phoenix

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suns and they have theirs with their logo and the text,

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and it has the colors the Pelicans, Iyebota.

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Speaker 1: It's just the letters.

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Speaker 6: But I think again we talked about like that one

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kind of makes sense because it's just like sick letters.

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I really think it depends on who the sponsor is,

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how iconic the letters are just on their own, and

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how those colors would mesh with the jersey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, chid mad Kugarnation want to hear

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from you. I think I I have probably a favorite here.

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Let me give you all the other corporate sponsors. I said,

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Mountain America, Doughterra, Smarty, streets, smarter, you got new Skin Ye.

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New Skin is a is a big corporate sponsor for

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b YU. I mentioned packs, Zion's Bank, Zion's Bank. Yeah,

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you know, let's just do Zion's bank. Let's do Sign's Bank.

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I think I like Zion's Bank.

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Speaker 6: I don't want Mountain America because that one's associated with

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Arizona State, and I don't like Arizona State. I like

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where your head's at. Plus it's red, so I also

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couldn't do it that way.

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Speaker 1: Give me Zions Bank. That one feels like, you know,

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Zion like Ziant feels Zion. You want to come to Zion.

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What's the logo for Zions Bank.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just it's just Sign's bank, Bro, that's

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the log it's lettering, yeah, letter Signs Bank.

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Speaker 1: I could see it or you can just go Zions.

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Speaker 6: I do think that's like, I like that sticks out

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enough that I think you could get it and be

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clean and simple.

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Speaker 1: However, like do they feel like just putting that? Do

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they feel like that's enough? Roy? Yeah, I don't know,

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Zions hits. I do like the idea though. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, like when you when you look up Zions though

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it does the bank come up first? Or does Zion's

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National Park come up on the Seouh it's Science Bank, Bro,

471
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It's Zion's Bank.

472
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Speaker 1: Oh I went to images.

473
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Speaker 6: Oh you know, okay, Well so when I did images

474
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with Science Bank obviously came up. But when you type

475
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in Zions and you just go to images, that bank

476
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is nowhere to be seen.

477
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Speaker 3: So they need to work on their se O there anyway.

478
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But a Zion's Bank does come up first on the

479
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SEO for Google.

480
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Speaker 1: So anyway, that's kind of where I'd go with it.

481
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But Chatman on it one.

482
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Speaker 3: You hear from me With the NCA officially approving commercial

483
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,799
jersey patches in college football, which B way your friendly

484
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,880
business or brand would fit best on a bway uniform

485
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without ruining that clean look and traditional look of the jersey.

486
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Speaker 1: Right now, you have the Big twelve logo.

487
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Speaker 3: They're on the right shoulder, So I imagine the jury

488
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that that that logo patch is gonna be on maybe

489
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above that on the shoulder pad.

490
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Speaker 1: So it's got to be pretty subtle.

491
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Speaker 3: Zion's Big twelve, crumble, Big twelve, qual tricks, Big twelve.

492
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah.

493
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Speaker 6: So I'm looking at jerseys right now and I'm like,

494
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it's already because you also have I'm looking at Carson

495
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Ryan who has a already above the Big twelve, like

496
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it's gonna get pretty crowded, and the swoosh doesn't doesn't

497
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like to be crowded. What if you put it like

498
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could you put it like right above like the neck,

499
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like right above the name plate. I don't know if

500
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it work. It's already really crowded as is. I'm trying

501
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to find out where that thing would even go.

502
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Speaker 1: Just put it on like the the lower back, right

503
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right under the numbers, you know what I uh, I mean.

504
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:04,599
Isn't that kind of how they do it with soccer jerseys.

505
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I don't know. I think that is how they kind

506
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of do it for soccer jersey. That might be talking

507
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out of my yeah, but I don't want anything.

508
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Speaker 3: You know, where they've put the They put the built

509
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bar on the underside, on the very back, on the

510
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nape of the neck of the of the U of

511
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the helmet too, so we had built I think, and you.

512
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Speaker 1: Have the the little.

513
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Speaker 3: Face mask signage to where you can put some stuff

514
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for the equipment.

515
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Speaker 6: Yes, you could put it like right there. That's how

516
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:39,119
this on the backside, underneath the numbers. It's it's gonna

517
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,480
be somebody's gonna have to do some really creative work

518
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,079
to find where this thing's gonna fit.

519
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Speaker 1: You're gonna ruin.

520
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Speaker 3: You could ruin the look, the clean look, even with

521
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like continuity of color.

522
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Speaker 1: Scheme, is what I'm getting at.

523
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Speaker 6: I don't think there's a way to do it that

524
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doesn't I think there's bad and less bad, but I

525
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don't think there's a good way to do it. Considering

526
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everything that's already on those jerseys.

527
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Speaker 3: Now, that's what you love about BYU's jersey. Do you

528
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,680
think this basically is, do you think BYU sells they're

529
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a corporate sponsorship for their jersey and equipment?

530
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you think they'd one hundred percent? I bet money

531
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on it in Vegas today.

532
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a part of me that thinks they will.

533
00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:19,200
But there's another part of me that thinks, like, I

534
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,640
don't know if they need to. They don't need to.

535
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:23,119
I don't think they need to.

536
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Speaker 3: Like I'm wondering what what uh Brian Santiago's gonna do here?

537
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

538
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: Like, this is a this is a high level Brian

539
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,960
Santiago executive decision in combination with corporate sponsorships.

540
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Speaker 6: This is kind of like your big stamp as your

541
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in your first year as athletic directors.

542
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Speaker 1: Like, what are you gonna do with this? Yeah?

543
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Speaker 3: I mean Brett we all know Brett yor Mark would

544
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do it. Yeah, and he would be like, it doesn't

545
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matter the college scheme. Let's just go baby, how much money,

546
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Let's go sell it.

547
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 6: How much is going into my bank account and not

548
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,319
into the schools that are in the conference, because we

549
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,960
still don't know where all this money is going.

550
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:59,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly I'm wondering, Like I wouldn't be surprised if

551
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,359
Brian said, now, good, we don't need to we don't

552
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,000
need to sell that.

553
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,599
Speaker 1: It's too ticky techie, it's too.

554
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,799
Speaker 3: You know, even like I think Tom Tom may have

555
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,880
strugged a little bit, even like putting packs on level

556
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,759
at levell Edwards Stadium.

557
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: On the field.

558
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think because it's like, hey, it's Lavelle's stadium.

559
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,799
He was only getting paid one hundred and twenty thousand

560
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,960
in his final year, Like he deserves to have the

561
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,759
name of no corporate so we can put all the

562
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:27,279
corporate sponsorships up on like all of the the what

563
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,960
is it, the all of the digital boards right, and

564
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,640
all the flash of lights when those first drop, by

565
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,720
the way, I was like, I felt like I was

566
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:34,240
in a club the strobe lights.

567
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I guess I can't say anything.

568
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: Man is crazy anyway, you don't want to go overboard

569
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,759
as money, it's gotta be tasteful. So this may be

570
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,759
the board, like the threshold that you don't want to cross,

571
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:45,440
just in the name of the filthy lucre.

572
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,839
Speaker 6: And I if you don't do it right, like I

573
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,480
think it could do I don't want to use the

574
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,200
word hurt, but I think it could be like a

575
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,319
little bit of a net negative if you don't do

576
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,640
it in the right way, where everything just looks jumbled

577
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,400
and crowded. And I wonder how much it actually even

578
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,799
does for the sponsor if it does come out that way.

579
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,920
So whoever's in charge of this, whoever you decide to

580
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,480
go with this cannot be like, oh hey, we'll take

581
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,079
your money and slap it on like it's really gotta fit.

582
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,799
It's gotta work, and I think there's gotta be a

583
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,359
message and a mission behind it.

584
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Guys.

585
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: That's our initial segment. Let's get into the Stephen A.

586
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,359
Smith rant coming up next. Notre Dame. Okay, if they're

587
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,839
in the top twelve of the college football player by

588
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,480
the way, they are not expanding the playoff.

589
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: Nope, it's twelve. That's it. That's all who's going. I

590
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,079
don't know if that's good news for BAU by the way,

591
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:41,039
I don't think it is unless they win the Big twelve.

592
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:42,720
I don't think it is the win to get in

593
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:43,759
Notre Dame.

594
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: If they're in the top twelve, which you're looking at

595
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,920
their schedule and it you know, even with a one loss,

596
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,039
even with that one loss to BA, they're probably in

597
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:50,720
the top twelve.

598
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Look at the schedule. Oh, I trust me. I did

599
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,319
the numbers on the schedule.

600
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Speaker 6: And fun fact, if you use this year's SP plus rankings,

601
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,440
Notre Name actually has a better schedule than Texas Tech does.

602
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,759
Speaker 1: Would you believe that? Wow, a more fortuitouve schedule.

603
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:09,599
Speaker 6: Yes, Notre Dame has a harder schedule than Texas Tech.

604
00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:12,319
Average SP plus for Notre Dame.

605
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:14,079
Speaker 1: Let me pull it up. I just did the math

606
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,519
right here.

607
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,559
Speaker 6: So average SP plus for Notre Dame for so, if

608
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,480
you use this year's SP plus numbers for their schedule

609
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,279
next year, which again people could get better and stuff

610
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:25,920
like that, Notre Dame is seventy four point one in

611
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,480
averagees P plus. Texas Tech is eighty two point three.

612
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,519
Speaker 3: This is what's gonna happen, hammertime, Blia is gonna beat

613
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,519
Notre Dame. B Alwa's gonna go gonna be undefeated going

614
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:38,799
into the Big twelve championship game versus Tech Tech. They're

615
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:40,799
gonna lose the Texas Tech and then they're gonna be

616
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,720
outside of college football playoff and Notre Dame somehow gets

617
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,160
in because that's their even though that's their one loss.

618
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,839
Speaker 6: So Ron needs to clip that right now.

619
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Speaker 4: He wrote it down.

620
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:53,759
Speaker 5: I wrote it down as he was saying it because

621
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,000
I like and I wrote in capital letters the word

622
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,960
that I can't say over the airways because it's a fine.

623
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,920
But Ben, if that happens, I'm gonna be outraged. I'm

624
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,319
then you might have to find a new producer because

625
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,880
I might not watch college football for you, guys, that's serious.

626
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,599
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell you, but that very well.

627
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:15,119
Speaker 3: I have to you college college and then the colle

628
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440
Football playerf Committee, what are they gonna say, Well, that

629
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:23,160
game was on the road in a hostile environment, and

630
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,119
b what you lost by fourteen points versus Tech in

631
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,680
the Big Twelve championship games.

632
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:28,519
Speaker 1: Just wasn't competitive.

633
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: Competitive, It wasn't a quality enough loss. The defense Tech

634
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,319
hasn't played anyone this year. That was their first game,

635
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:39,039
you know it, And they'll completely discount the fact that

636
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,680
it's a home game for Texas Tech in Texas and

637
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,640
that somehow they got like eighty percent of the tickets

638
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,960
and b why you only got twenty percent of them? Anyway,

639
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,920
all I'm saying is I'm just saying I hate to

640
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,640
be a conspiracy theorist, but all my conspiracy theories have

641
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,200
come to fruition and have been validated over the last

642
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:57,680
five years.

643
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Speaker 1: So all I'm saying is this could happen pressed.

644
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: We got to go undefeated, so we don't leave it

645
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:05,519
up to the committee.

646
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,799
Speaker 3: I mean, look, and Notre Dame's saying leave no doubt,

647
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:09,440
but they really don't have to leave any doubt.

648
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: They can lose a game.

649
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,279
Speaker 4: Twelve, they're good.

650
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: You know, if they lose two games, they don't have

651
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,559
to They don't have to compete in a conference championship game.

652
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:19,119
Speaker 1: They don't have that extra data point. They have the

653
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:19,920
thirteenth data point.

654
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 6: But what's crazy is what you're saying right now about

655
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,599
what could happen to BYU. So for people who don't know,

656
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:29,319
this Notre Dame deal got done, Chris Vanini's reporting he

657
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,319
got done two years ago, so this isn't new. But

658
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,720
had this deal been in place this season, what you're

659
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,640
saying right now would have happened to Miami and Miami team,

660
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,279
by the way, who went on to play in the

661
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,000
National Championship and beat Ohio State and beat everybody else.

662
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,680
So this is it's you're not that crazy, because we

663
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:49,400
almost saw it happen this year.

664
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:53,559
Speaker 3: And it's like you brought up a really good point.

665
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,720
If we had this system this season, Miami's out yep.

666
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,799
And so the team that really played Indiana arguably the

667
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,000
best out of any team all season long, doesn't get

668
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:08,119
into the National championship game.

669
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Speaker 6: He doesn't notre dame wind and complained and bleeped and

670
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mon because.

671
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Speaker 3: They're female canines. But thank you for coming and finally

672
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playing us in provo. We appreciate that. Finally, let's go

673
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to break guys. We'll get into it coming up next.

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as uh as we discussed in the first seg I

704
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want to listen to the stephen A. Smith rant on

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Notre Dame. I think we got a queued up ready

706
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,960
to roll. For those that don't know Notre Dame. If

707
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,039
they're in the top twelve at the end of the season,

708
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:12,599
which they most likely will be in twenty twenty six,

709
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,159
they're getting to the CFP no matter what.

710
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: They're locked in. They they they got a deal done.

711
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: This was in the works for two years now and

712
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,079
they got it pretty much done. It's like we didn't

713
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,199
really find out about this publicly until this year though,

714
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,000
so we didn't find out about it, but they had

715
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:35,519
been executed a while back. They're not expanding, they're only

716
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:41,719
they're keeping it at twelve. And that's another controversial thing here,

717
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,840
but that's the state.

718
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: In which we're in. Stephen A. Smith is going to

719
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,679
go off on the rental, but real quick, what do

720
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,199
you got from me here?

721
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 6: Brett Am I the only one who feels like it's

722
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,079
a little shady that we didn't find out about this

723
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,719
until a month ago when I think it was.

724
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't it Beviquah who told us.

725
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 6: I think he was doing an interview on one of

726
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,880
the shows, and I think that's how we found out.

727
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm an institution, No foy was.

728
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 6: I just feel like it's a little shady that you

729
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,800
had this backdoor deal done years ago and we are

730
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,119
all just finding out about it now. And my guess

731
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960
is the reason you didn't want to tell everybody is

732
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,360
because you knew that if people found out, they would

733
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,000
be outraged. It's the same type if I came home

734
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,559
and I didn't tell my parents on this because I

735
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,840
didn't want them to know. I didn't omit things because

736
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,079
I didn't think they wouldn't care.

737
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: I knew they'd care. I didn't want them to know.

738
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:32,599
Speaker 6: And I kind of feel like that's how it is

739
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,159
with Notre Dame again, Like good on them for getting

740
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,400
this deal done, but I can't say I respect it.

741
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: Well, No, you're not gonna respect it at all. You're

742
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:40,719
t oed.

743
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,079
Speaker 3: If you're anybody out in a conference. It's doing it

744
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:49,320
the traditional way, the conference way. But let's listen to

745
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,199
Steve nation Smith here go off on a rant about

746
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,679
Notre Dame and there's Notre Dame college football play off

747
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,599
top twelve guarantee deal that they've executed.

748
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,079
Speaker 8: Really ticked off, and I think a lot of people

749
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:05,960
should be first of.

750
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: All, you know.

751
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,639
Speaker 8: Speaking of coach Ryan Day out of Ohio State. Before

752
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,800
the college football playoffs, he was an advocate of increasing

753
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,519
the teams of the playoff field from twelve team, say,

754
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,960
to sixteen or even twenty for crying out loud. It's

755
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,400
something that I would definitely welcome because I think a

756
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,079
lot of teams deserve a shot. If you're gonna put

757
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,280
Tulane and James Madison in there from the group of five,

758
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,760
group of six, whatever the hell is called these days, Okay,

759
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,199
you could put some of the top ranked of thirteenth

760
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,239
rank team or fourteen or fifteenth rank team that's number one.

761
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 4: Number two.

762
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 8: The reason why I'm ticked off is because what the

763
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,159
hell is this about?

764
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:37,679
Speaker 7: No to Day?

765
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,039
Speaker 8: Why do we got a separate category for Notre Dame?

766
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:44,119
What makes them so damned special? I'm really getting sick

767
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,719
of us know to Day fawning. I mean, what, who

768
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,360
the hell are Day?

769
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

770
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:52,599
Speaker 8: The fighting Irish whatever. I love Marcus Freeman, love him,

771
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,280
love him, Okay, great coach?

772
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: All right? And I respect No to Dame. And I

773
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,079
want to state for the.

774
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 8: Record that I think that they should have been in

775
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,000
the postseason. I get it, they were clearly one of

776
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,320
the top twelve teams in the nation. But when people

777
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,280
are complaining about, well Alabama went in there ahead of them, Well,

778
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,119
Alabama went to Athens and beat Georgia on the road

779
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,880
weeks earlier. Yeah, they got stomped in the SEC championship

780
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,320
game by Georgia a few weeks later, but they were

781
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,119
pretty banged up at that particular moment in time, and

782
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,639
they had beaten Georgia on the road, they played a

783
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,400
conference championship game. What was Notre Dame doing They were

784
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,440
at home sitting.

785
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 4: On their couch.

786
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 8: Why because they're not a member of a conference. They

787
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:34,440
had an opportunity to be a member of a conference.

788
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:38,360
Did the ad sitting there wanting and moaning about how.

789
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,159
Speaker 1: You know Miami?

790
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 8: You know the ACC Commission didn't speak up for no

791
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:45,400
to day but spoken for Miami. Well, you got about

792
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,760
twenty five sports, twenty three of them are in the ACC,

793
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,639
but you pulled football out because you want to keep

794
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:52,719
the bag for yourself.

795
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: So you want the bag. Plus you want them.

796
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,159
Speaker 8: To sit up there and blow you about you even

797
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,679
though you want to associate your football program with the

798
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,360
confer because you want to keep the bag off of yourself,

799
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,440
and then when you don't make the playoffs, you want

800
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,480
to blame everybody else instead of looking for.

801
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: The mirror into the mirror. This is sickening.

802
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 7: This is sickening.

803
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: It should be.

804
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 8: Sixteen to twenty to twenty teams.

805
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:12,679
Speaker 1: In the playoffs.

806
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 8: I'm not sick over that. I just prefer sixteen to

807
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,159
twenty over the twelve. But this separate category. Oh no, there,

808
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,760
Dame is definitely going to be in if they finished

809
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,920
in the top twelve. Bump No to Dame, get Joe

810
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,119
ass in a conference and compete like everybody else.

811
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: You set up there.

812
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 8: You gotta sec got a contract, acc got a contract,

813
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,679
Big ten got a contract as a conference. No to

814
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,320
Dame got a contract with NBC, all by his damn self,

815
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:41,760
you know, and then expected privileges.

816
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: This is not right. Wow crazy.

817
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: He went out of his way to make sure that

818
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,280
he showed a lot of the Marcus Freeman. I do

819
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,960
think he is one of the best coaches, and he's

820
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,280
a great coach, and really, this is not what we're

821
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,119
talking about here. I don't think we know Marcus Freeman

822
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,239
was not in there orchestrating this deal.

823
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: This was administration, not the coach. Yeah, I know he

824
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:11,239
did quit the Pop Tarts Bowl, though that is true.

825
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,480
He quit the Pop Tarks Bowl.

826
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,639
Speaker 3: He said, I'm too good for the Pop Tarchs Bowl,

827
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,960
and I don't want to lose because I have some

828
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,280
guys going to the NFL and I won't.

829
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: They won't play too good for the People's Nationals.

830
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: And if you're a really good coach, you would have

831
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,159
convinced your guys to come back and play in the

832
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:23,559
Pop Tarts.

833
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,679
Speaker 1: Bum. Hey, you're better than this. We don't quit. I

834
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,400
do think there is We don't quit to that.

835
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,679
Speaker 3: We don't quit, dude, No, we don't quit. We we

836
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,800
are the fighting Irish. This is a lesson learned. Marcus

837
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:40,760
Freeman folded week. Great coach, great, but you lost me

838
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,000
there a little bit fair.

839
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,199
Speaker 6: But I still disrespect the administration of Notre Dame more

840
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,039
than I disrespect Marcus Freeman for that.

841
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,079
Speaker 3: Do you think Marcus ultimately made the decision? Do you

842
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,239
think the administration did so?

843
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:53,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think Marcus coulda fight.

844
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,800
It could have. I can see.

845
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,519
Speaker 6: The hard part is when Beva Kui is the one

846
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:04,480
out they're masquerading and tie raiding, then it's hard. I

847
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,480
mean and look, maybe he did that so that there

848
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,559
wouldn't be blowback on Marcus Freeman. So he said, Hey,

849
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,679
I'll be the scapegoat for this, I'll be the face

850
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,000
of it.

851
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: That way none of it blows back on you.

852
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, again, like, I'll tip my

853
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,880
hat for you playing more intense game than the rest

854
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,400
of us thought.

855
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: But I do think Bevaqua is the easy target for

856
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:26,840
a reason.

857
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, what else should out to you guys from that

858
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,320
rant from steven A Smith.

859
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,679
Speaker 6: I mean it's it's it's all valid, right, Like there's

860
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,360
nothing in there, Stephen I said that wasn't true. I

861
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,960
do think it was interesting that he listed all the

862
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,320
conferences who had a deal and didn't list the big Yeah.

863
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 5: No, Steven, I got beef with you.

864
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that was.

865
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 6: It's only four, Like you only had to name one

866
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,719
more and you would have hit everybody.

867
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Like, dude, the ACC is not even relevant.

868
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 6: But I understand you work for a company that has

869
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,760
an exclusive deal with the ACC network.

870
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: I get all of that. I know how Steven I don't.

871
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,760
I'm not typically a steven A guy, but I'm glad

872
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,440
that steven.

873
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:11,119
Speaker 6: A is going to bat for this because he's taken

874
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:14,000
a lot of heat on the internet. I can't understand why,

875
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,519
because everything he said was true. You took the money,

876
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,719
so therefore you also get to take now being in

877
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,119
a conference and the issues that come with that.

878
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: But so I'm with stephen A on this one.

879
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,199
Speaker 5: Ben, this is how you know you're a polarizing and

880
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:28,880
the most hated figure in television.

881
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 4: This man is hated for his political views.

882
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,559
Speaker 5: This man is hated for his takes regarding sports, and

883
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,119
now this man gives probably the best take I think

884
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,519
of twenty twenty six.

885
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:39,079
Speaker 1: It's early.

886
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, let me not say hate it. Thank you, Brett.

887
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,840
I think he's he's hated by he's disliked.

888
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: There you go.

889
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 4: I'll say the dislike because hate is a strong word.

890
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: Anyway.

891
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 5: The point is he is I'll say this this, and

892
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,159
you can't argue with this. People come after him for

893
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:58,039
all of it, for his takes regarding sports, politics, a

894
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,000
lot for the one take that he did not miss

895
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,039
on in twenty twenty six, and grand 're only twenty

896
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:02,519
three days in.

897
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,079
Speaker 4: It's very early, and steven A does miss a lot.

898
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,559
Speaker 5: That is is crazy that people are actually commenting and

899
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,960
saying something. So you're okay with this, like the people

900
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,960
that are coming, So you're okay with Notre Dame having

901
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,760
an exclusive deal that if they're a top twelve team

902
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,559
and there's someone else that deserves to be in there,

903
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,480
it's okay. You know what this reminds me of, Well,

904
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,920
that's not my problem until it affects me, Like that's

905
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,559
how I feel about it. I feel like that's how

906
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:28,960
it is. Oh, I don't care until it affects me. Like, no,

907
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,639
you need to care the same way.

908
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:31,079
Speaker 4: Stephen A.

909
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 5: Smith cares like I don't care about Notre Dame and

910
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,559
they can honestly go kick rocks.

911
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 4: I hate to set it over theors the airways, but

912
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:36,760
it's true.

913
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 5: Why should they be allowed to have a deal when

914
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,239
you have other teams like Miami who fought hard, who

915
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,320
get in and go to the National Championship Game. Now

916
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,280
you should expand some more teams could get in. But

917
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,719
who's to say they couldn't have been BYU want to

918
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,400
be textan am, We don't know. We can play the

919
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,519
what if game all day, but I just don't think

920
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,480
that a BYU team if they were to beat Notre Dame.

921
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 4: Like you said, it in the first segment. I wrote

922
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,239
it down. I wrote it down so we have.

923
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,159
Speaker 5: It so we can refer back to But who's to

924
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,320
say next year been when we're having this conversation, if

925
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,199
Nordre Dame would be allowed to be in and BAU

926
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,599
would be knocked out, but they beat no like that.

927
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,840
This ritten agreement is stupid because it's gonna punish someone

928
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,639
else who's deserving to be in a college football playoff game.

929
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,639
But because Nordre Dame got with the freaking boys behind

930
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:17,880
the yard, I wanted to go NBA draft you know

931
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,280
what is it, freaking lie and put the number one

932
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,559
draft pick in the in the sheet for the Dallas

933
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:25,880
Mavericks when a guy should have it shouldn't have even

934
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,320
been it should have been a Utah Jazz.

935
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 4: That's what I feel like.

936
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 5: This is like, it's nepotism at its finest, don't I

937
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,079
have lost all respect for Nordre Dame. I like Marcus

938
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,800
Truman as a person, but because he is guilty by association,

939
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,079
I've lost all respect for norda Dame. I cannot respect

940
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:42,719
you no longer as a football program, as an institution

941
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,039
because of this, And this is just a football program

942
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:48,480
in general, because this is unacceptable. We cannot allow this

943
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,360
to do this. You are letting someone this reminds Ben

944
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:53,280
how do I view this?

945
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,519
Speaker 1: Like?

946
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,079
Speaker 4: How am I supposed to respect someone that does this?

947
00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:59,079
Speaker 5: Like it's like the Astros when they cheated, everybody thought

948
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,079
they were gonna be the greatest team, talk about that.

949
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,320
Then they cheat in Major League Baseball and the Dodgers

950
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,079
don't like them, no one else, no one wants to

951
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,800
go to that organization. Now, Like that's how I view

952
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,400
Notre Dame. I feel like they're gonna become like the

953
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,239
Houston Astros. You are cheating the game of college football.

954
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,280
You were getting something written in when all you had

955
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,920
to do if you were smart, if they were in

956
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,119
the ACC, you know what would have happened it went

957
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,599
to the title game, they'd have beat up on probably

958
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,960
a Virginia or a duke. But no, they want to

959
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,039
be funny, so you know what happens. You want to

960
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:27,840
be funny where I'm from, you want to play f

961
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,760
a round and find out cool. Guess what, me and

962
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
my crew, we ain't rocking with you no more. And

963
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:34,599
I feel that everybody should be the same way. You

964
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,639
can have your opinions about it. But I just I

965
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:39,519
don't respect nor to Dame going forward because look, they

966
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:42,880
finessed the game. I respect Vanessa, but I won't participate

967
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,239
in this because this is absurd. And if this affects

968
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,840
by you or any of the college football program going forward,

969
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,159
which it's going to, I just don't like it. Why

970
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,360
are we riding in If you want to win, go

971
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,679
beat someone same thing I told b a offense BA

972
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,960
had the opportunity, they lost, and you're leaving up to

973
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,239
someone else. But this is just a joke, bro, Order

974
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,119
Dame's a joke, Ben, I'm sorry going that ran and

975
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,079
but if they're a joke, you can't have this. Like

976
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:05,840
I don't respect us in college role. You don't get

977
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,400
to write your way into the playoffs.

978
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 4: You earn it.

979
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So those that don't know, Okay, this is essentially

980
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,599
what's occurred. In March of twenty twenty four, there was

981
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,719
an agreement signed Notre Dame in the College FOOTBA Playoff

982
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,159
Management Committee signed a memorandum of understanding in March twenty

983
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:23,440
twenty four that included the provision guaranteeing Notre Dame as

984
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:26,880
a as a college football playoff birth guarantee m a

985
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,840
CFP birth if the Irish finished inside the top twelve

986
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,159
of the final CFP rankings under the expanded playoff rules.

987
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:36,719
That rule obviously did not apply for the twenty twenty

988
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,599
five college football season, which played out under the earlier

989
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:45,679
twelve team selection process without Notre Dame's automatic top twelve guarantee,

990
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,440
leading to obviously the controversy that occurred a Notre Dame

991
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,800
was eleventh but left out of the twenty twenty five bracket.

992
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,599
Speaker 1: Realized the committee knew about this memorandum.

993
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 6: When did we all find out about that? We found

994
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,559
out about it after the See that's what I thought. Yeah,

995
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,039
and so it goes into effect in twenty twenty six.

996
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:07,360
But we didn't know about it. But guess who did

997
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,920
know about it? College FOOTBA Playoff comittee knew about the memorandum.

998
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: And knew that. Okay, well, this is not an effect.

999
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,800
That makes me think that ESPN probably knew about it.

1000
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 6: Somebody the exacts, the TV exacts at ESPN that I

1001
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,920
don't know if talent reports about it.

1002
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,119
Speaker 3: But that's why gave ESPN the bird said I'm not

1003
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:24,679
going to go play in the Pop Tarts Bowl versus

1004
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:25,159
Georgia ten.

1005
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: That's why they probably left him out because this was

1006
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,039
coming like, oh, we'll bump.

1007
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,559
Speaker 1: You, but no, No, that's why I did it.

1008
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,159
Speaker 3: And Marcus Freeman may have been along for the ride,

1009
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:37,360
but I still am going to put some some you know, credit,

1010
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:39,280
I'm gonna put some accountability on. He's got to eat

1011
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,079
some of that bitter parts the head coach to have

1012
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:44,480
his portion. So the official effective year now is twenty

1013
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:44,960
twenty six.

1014
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:45,559
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.

1015
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: If they're in the top twelve, they guarantee they're guaranteed

1016
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,000
to go to the College Football Playoff. If Notre Dame

1017
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,039
finishes in the top twelve and those final final rankings,

1018
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:58,920
so they get an automatic berth. So that's the reason

1019
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,360
why Steven A. Smith is going off on this and

1020
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:02,920
why others are going off on it.

1021
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,159
Speaker 1: Now.

1022
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: Had they expanded the playoff, that memorandum would have been

1023
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,360
Nolan void, so they would have had to get a

1024
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,159
new memorandum, a new agreement in place with the CFP

1025
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,719
committee saying well, if I'm top.

1026
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: Sixteen, then we go in.

1027
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,159
Speaker 3: So you wonder how much influence also, the lack of expansion,

1028
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,760
the amount of influence Notre Dame had on the College

1029
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,960
Football playf Committee to not expand and keep it at twelve.

1030
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a valid question, right, Yeah. I still just

1031
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,360
have questions about leverage though. How did Notre Dame convince

1032
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,000
the committee, especially when the committee is tied directly to ESPN,

1033
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,199
who is a direct competitor to NBC and the.

1034
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: Bad giver to Notre Dame.

1035
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 6: I don't understand how they convinced the committee to get

1036
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,760
this deal done because of remembering everyone's alliances.

1037
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:56,159
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to me.

1038
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,079
Speaker 6: The I mean, obviously I'm not jumping to blackmail, but

1039
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,840
I just don't understand how this got done unless somebody

1040
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,119
paid somebody, And to your point, like Notre Dame saying

1041
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,760
we're gonna screw ESPN over by not playing in that

1042
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,480
bowl game again, then why would you Well, well, this

1043
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:11,760
is it.

1044
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: Let me give you.

1045
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,519
Speaker 3: I'll connect the dots for you here and it may

1046
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,440
be far fetched, but just work with me here.

1047
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,039
Speaker 1: The ACC is.

1048
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,639
Speaker 3: Aligned with who ESPN? Okay, how many games do they

1049
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,639
play with the ACC?

1050
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,559
Speaker 1: Well? Six? Yeah, and Steve and I said they have

1051
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,800
twenty three other sports? Who are twenty three?

1052
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 3: This was the ACC schools ESPN product. Does that make

1053
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,199
sense that's that's the low hangout that makes that makes sense.

1054
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 6: And so they threaten and say, well, if you don't

1055
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,519
do this deal, you are invested in us because we're

1056
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:45,559
inn ACC school.

1057
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,039
Speaker 1: So if you don't do this deal, we're gonna pull

1058
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:50,000
our twenty three other sports. Yeah.

1059
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:54,599
Speaker 3: And and if you negotiate with if Notre Dame negotiates

1060
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:57,239
with the Big twelve right or in the the Big

1061
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,480
ten you know, you know those the Big tens Fox right,

1062
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,199
the Big twelve is ESPN Fox. It's a split. So

1063
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,199
you're losing content, you're losing money, you're losing advertising revenue,

1064
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:16,119
you're losing all of this stuff because they're taking all

1065
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:18,800
of their teams Olympic sports and football away from the

1066
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,199
ACC product.

1067
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: That makes sense easy, So it's easy leverage. It was

1068
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:27,840
all leverage.

1069
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,159
Speaker 3: That's why Pat went on his public relations ti ride

1070
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,079
and why some of the leagues came out that Notre

1071
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:35,239
Dame was flirting with.

1072
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: Leaving the conference.

1073
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 3: They openly and outrightly attacked the ACC commissioner and ESPN.

1074
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: You remember that, yep.

1075
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: And then Brett yor Mark went on record and said,

1076
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:57,239
I don't agree with how Pat went about this, attacking

1077
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,679
the ACC commissioner. Okay, I don't agree with him. I

1078
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,280
tell him to his face right here, if he was here,

1079
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,800
that's what he said. So you wonder if you were,

1080
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,199
if you're Notre Dame, you were probably negotiating with the

1081
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,440
Big ten saying hey, yeah, let's let's make a deal.

1082
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: What could you do for us?

1083
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:23,119
Speaker 3: Will come in as a as a partial member in football,

1084
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:24,199
we're gonna stay independent.

1085
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: Do you want our Olympic sports? Mister Fox? Does that

1086
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,239
make sense? Yeah?

1087
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 6: But you almost wonder if Notre Dame's I don't want

1088
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,760
to say bluffing, but let's be honest. If you want

1089
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,400
to play a partial conference schedule of any powerful conference,

1090
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:40,400
who do you want to play?

1091
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: You want? You want to play the ACC? I oh yeah,

1092
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,320
no no, So like if you're not in the a C, right.

1093
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 6: Sure yes, but if but if you have any powerful conference,

1094
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,559
you want to stay locked in with the ACC because

1095
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:55,119
they have easily the worst, the lowest talent on average

1096
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:55,920
of any conference.

1097
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, yeah, it's an interesting it's so hopefully

1098
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,559
that clears it up. That's what I think happened.

1099
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 6: Do you think Notre Dame then to your point, like,

1100
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,039
were they against expansion because they knew if they expanded

1101
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:15,440
then they'd lose their back door deal, Like do you

1102
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,519
think they were actively against Well, I just think it's no.

1103
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: In voting, then you have to renegotiate another memorandum, right,

1104
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,920
So it's like, you know, I think in general, I

1105
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,880
don't think that the the big two, Big ten in

1106
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:35,559
SEC they don't want expansion for whatever reason. The TV

1107
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,639
like ESPN may not want expansion either. Maybe it's a

1108
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,719
logistic operational deal with more you know, with more locations,

1109
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,519
more Bowl games, they have to be associated with the CFP.

1110
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:51,559
Maybe there's some logistical stuff there that isn't cost effective.

1111
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,199
I mean it it you had to pull teeth just

1112
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:58,280
to get to a playoff here, how long it took

1113
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,119
us to get to a playoff and go away for

1114
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:04,079
the BCS an expanded playoff?

1115
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 6: I will say because I so, I because I obviously

1116
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,679
worked in TV production for a long time.

1117
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,519
Speaker 1: In my old.

1118
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 6: Boss at when I worked for the Hockey Club, he

1119
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,239
was the lead producer for TNT and for Max for

1120
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,400
the NHL, and so I remember last year we were

1121
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,880
having this conversation because I said to him, why is

1122
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,760
Max broadcasting some of these games? Like why wouldn't ESPN

1123
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,159
do it themselves because ESPN sent out their talent, but

1124
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:31,760
if you notice the branding, it all went through TNT

1125
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,880
and MAX and that's because to distribute that game costs

1126
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,079
a lot of money and that's why they contracted TNT

1127
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:39,840
to do that.

1128
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: So I do think there is some validity there.

1129
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:47,159
Speaker 6: But also I gotta believe that it's gonna like you

1130
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,880
do Bowl games. You do however, many Bowl games anyway,

1131
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:54,000
So my guess is maybe because it was last minute,

1132
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:56,239
they didn't know going from four to twelve is a

1133
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:56,840
big jump.

1134
00:53:57,199 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure that played a part in it.

1135
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 6: And if they were going to expand, it would be

1136
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,400
the same thing again where we're going twelve to sixteen automatically.

1137
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,840
So I'm sure there's some validity there.

1138
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not expand? Right, that's the question, why not expand?

1139
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,079
Why would the committee not want to expand? Why wouldn't

1140
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:17,639
ESPN want to expand? Why wouldn't Notre Dame want to expand?

1141
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,800
You know, there may be some some verbiage in that

1142
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,559
agreement that would disincentivize all three from wanting expansion, But.

1143
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 6: If every conference, because like we have that clip of

1144
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,840
Greg Sanki saying, well, we should have gotten seventeams. Then

1145
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,280
if every conference wants to get more teams in, why

1146
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,039
does it then seem like these two big dogs are

1147
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:45,400
then against expansion because logically, if you had more teams,

1148
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:47,840
your chance for getting more teams from your conference in

1149
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,280
would go up. So I now that we've learned about

1150
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,400
this Notre Dame deal, I just wonder if there's other

1151
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:58,599
backdoor conversations and people have ulterior motives that we're not

1152
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,239
privy to, and that that's part of the reason that

1153
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,719
some of the things went down this way.

1154
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you, I mean, I mean, how

1155
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:10,440
controversial was it that Miami got in this year with

1156
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:14,000
everything that happened to the ACC Yeah, how controversial. I mean, look,

1157
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:16,039
they got them in and look at what they did. So,

1158
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:22,239
like everybody, the people want expansion because they want Cinderellas.

1159
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,920
Now it was Miami truly a Cinderella. That's as close

1160
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:30,079
as I mean, obviously James Madison or Tulane or true

1161
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:34,280
Cinderella's right, But from a seating standpoint, Miami was a

1162
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,480
bit of a Cinderella this year.

1163
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:38,679
Speaker 6: Well, and also remember they lost to two unranked teams

1164
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,559
and they didn't even make their own conference championship. So like,

1165
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:45,280
I mean, looking back on the season, we're like, wow,

1166
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,800
how good was Miami, But if you actually were in

1167
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,559
the season, you're like, dude, Miami was not that good. Now,

1168
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,079
they played into it and they deserve all that respect,

1169
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,480
but they kind of were a cinderella when you actually

1170
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:59,960
look at how the season played out, spand the playoff.

1171
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,599
Speaker 5: Loyoal or Chicago Miami depending on the year, right, maybe

1172
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:05,920
not this year, but they're like like a Syracuse They're

1173
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,800
an eleven seed in the in basketball and they just

1174
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:09,480
made a good.

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Speaker 4: Run and got to the Elite eight and then ye know,

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that's that's how you feel. But from a seat, from

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a seating standpoint, yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's as much of a cinderella as you can get

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with a twelve team playoffs, I agree. In football, yes,

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with a two lost team, right, a two lost team

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that got into the playoff, that's that's as big as

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cinderella as you can get outside of Tulane or JMU winning,

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which in football never gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Basketball, it could happen.

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Speaker 3: Like it's funny. I remember when bou basketball played U

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c l A in the NCAA Tournament that U c

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l A team was an eleven seed. They were nineteen

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to nine season, and that U c l A team,

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I think they went to the final four, if I'm

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not mistaken.

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Speaker 6: Isn't that the one that they lost to Gonzaga? Right

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walk off?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That thing was awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure, if I'm not mistaken, I think

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they Yeah, it was, they made it to.

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Speaker 1: The final four, lead eight. If I'm obviously, I'll have

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to pull it up.

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Speaker 3: But you know that it's kind of like that manyeah,

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you know, it's like eh, you know, and I know

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that's not a true cinder relistor because UCLA is UCLA, Right.

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Speaker 1: They weren't that year. Yeah, they weren't that year.

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Speaker 4: That's where John and became a guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right. They lost to Gonzagi that year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was ninety three to ninety UCLA at eleven

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seed got to the final four. I don't how often

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does an eleven seed get to the final four.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine very often.

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Speaker 3: Right, insane that that happened, But ayway insane that Miami

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got there.

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Speaker 6: But that's why it's insane to me that people are

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like because so if you listen to the I listened

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to the full clip, the full sixteen minute debate, and

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which reminded me of why I don't watch First Take

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is because I I can't talk. I can't listen to

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people who have no logic in their brain. But Ryan

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Clark after this, he goes on the people who think

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the playoffs should be they're just insane. They just don't

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understand football. I'm like, you don't understand football. You just

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saw an eleven seed or a ten seed whatever. Miami was,

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who we thought wasn't even good enough to be in

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the playoff. They were debating whether USh did they get

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in there? They were the only team who could compete

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with Indiana all season. So what that tells me is

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you can't perfectly see it a twelve team playoff because

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you just don't know. How do you give yourself better

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odds at picking the best teams? Add more teams in?

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It doesn't hurt anybody to add more games.

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