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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from just outside of studio A here

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<v Speaker 1>at Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the

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<v Speaker 1>Gardening Simplified Show, and not just any gardening Simplified Show,

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<v Speaker 1>Episode one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations, congratulations Rick, and congratulations Adriana, and thanks to you

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<v Speaker 2>for sticking with us for all of these episodes. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as I would love to stay out here

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<v Speaker 2>and do the show from the garden, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>head inside and get started, all right, So here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our one hundredth episode. It is amazing. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>less than two years. We've reached one hundred, so one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred different episodes. You can see them all on our

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<v Speaker 2>website at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>missed one you want to go back, you can find

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<v Speaker 2>them all there. And as we look forward into the

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<v Speaker 2>next one hundred episodes and beyond, we wanted to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from you, and we wanted to hear what you think

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<v Speaker 2>about the show and what you want to see more

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<v Speaker 2>of on the show. Now I can tell you without question,

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<v Speaker 2>Rick and I can sit here and talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>about plants and gardening all day long. We'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>things you don't even want to hear about plants and gardening,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what you know. The whole point of the

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<v Speaker 2>show is is you, and is the show serving you

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<v Speaker 2>and helping you become a better gardener and serve your

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<v Speaker 2>needs in the garden and with plants. So we would

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<v Speaker 2>at random to get a proven winner's color choice swag bag.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll get a hat and socks and notebooks and all

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<v Speaker 2>can be completely anonymous. Your survey responses are anonymous. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to say, you know, Rick Vice seven at

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<v Speaker 2>whatever emailed and said the show is great, don't change

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<v Speaker 2>a thing. We will not be able to connect you

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<v Speaker 2>with your answers, but we will definitely value your time

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<v Speaker 2>and responses to that, so we'd appreciate that if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a moment to fill that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Tied into that survey, Today, Stacey, we talk about garden

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<v Speaker 1>Topia and we've got a great interview coming up with

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<v Speaker 1>Jan Johnson, an author, a designer who wrote a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>book called garden Topia that's coming up in our fourth

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<v Speaker 1>segment and should be phoned. And you know what brings

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<v Speaker 1>up the question is garden topia attainable? And tied into

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<v Speaker 1>that survey, Stacy, I would say that I've learned that

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<v Speaker 1>gardening is about continuing education. I'm amazed at how much

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<v Speaker 1>I learn every day. I should say I'm amazed at

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<v Speaker 1>how much I don't know. And that's the great thing

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<v Speaker 1>about gardening, know how plants interact, how they live in

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<v Speaker 1>the earth, who they live with, and how they share

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<v Speaker 1>their resources. If you don't educate and learn, you're a laborer,

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<v Speaker 1>not a gardener. So a true gardener is constantly seeking

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<v Speaker 1>out new answers, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's so true. And I people will often say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a garden expert, and I always bristle at that

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<v Speaker 2>because there are no garden experts. I mean, yes, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been gardening a long time and I've definitely learned a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things and have an under some understanding. But

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you too. The longer I do this,

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<v Speaker 2>the more I realize how much I don't know, the

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<v Speaker 2>more I realize that plants are just weird and do

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<v Speaker 2>strange things all the time that completely surprise you. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, Thomas Jefferson really said it best

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<v Speaker 2>because he said, though an old man, I am but

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<v Speaker 2>a young gardener, and he was well into his seventies

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<v Speaker 2>at that point. And you know, that is the attitude

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to take as as a gardener. I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of us, speaking from experience, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>do our drawn to gardening because we're maybe a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a control freak. We like to have our

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<v Speaker 2>will on. But then there's also this element of whatever

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how you learn, is the challenges. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>learn best with the challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always found, Yeah, I agree completely, And when I

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<v Speaker 1>go out and speak to groups, I know you do

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<v Speaker 1>the same, Stacey. I always say to them, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>the gardening expert. I'm an experienced failure. That's what I am.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when we share our stories and what we've learned,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody benefits. And that's the basis of the Gardening Simplified show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Again, we develop a relationship with our gardens,

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<v Speaker 1>with our yards, and I always have to chuckle when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody comes up to me and says, you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>yard got away from me. No, your yard didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>away from you. You got away from your ear.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. And also I think that there is some

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<v Speaker 2>something to be said about embracing the wildness. There are

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<v Speaker 2>different approaches to gardening and some people you can certainly

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<v Speaker 2>see this if you drive around any neighborhood. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>are the maintain everything to within an inch of its life.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything has to be trimmed, no plants can touch. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>lovely and valid way to garden, if that's what you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do. But I can tell you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my tendency is more toward the wild. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of weeds because I space my plants closely together,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd rather have my plants I'll grow in together

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<v Speaker 2>and prune out some stems than to spend the whole

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<v Speaker 2>day falling weeds myself. And of course, within that fast spectrum,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a whole lot of other ways to garden. You

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<v Speaker 2>can mix those two, and you know, I think people

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<v Speaker 2>would be a little bit more interested. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly lots of people are interested in gardening, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think people would be more interested if they realized that

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<v Speaker 2>there was so much more room for creativity and forgiveness

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<v Speaker 2>in plants. Then they assume that there is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's well said, and also forgiveness on not being able

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<v Speaker 1>to pronounce plant names. Now for episode one hundred, here Stacy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a privilege to be able to sit next

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<v Speaker 1>to you and do this show. Your knowledge is amazing

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<v Speaker 1>and your ability to pronounce botanical names blows me away.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought for show number one hundred, I'd write

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<v Speaker 1>a limb a rick for you called Liberties with language.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we are turning one hundred. Where did the time go?

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<v Speaker 1>I wondered, It's been a successful run. Time flies, We're

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<v Speaker 1>having fun. Lots of Latin names I've blundered. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>listening and viewing our commitment. We're renewing botanical names can agast,

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<v Speaker 1>So just say them really fast then pretend you know

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<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong with that. And you know I've said it

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<v Speaker 2>on the show and I think and I will continue

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<v Speaker 2>to say it, and that is that a scientific name

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<v Speaker 2>is a great thing to know because it is universal.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you were in another country out a botanical garden,

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<v Speaker 2>you would be able to know what plant you were

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<v Speaker 2>looking at. But at the end of the day, plant

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<v Speaker 2>the garden center, and as long as you are walking

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<v Speaker 2>out with the plant that you wanted and hopefully a

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<v Speaker 2>few more additional new friends to get to know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>all that matters. Whether or not you pronounce it quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote correctly is really you know, people will think, oh, Stacy,

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<v Speaker 2>she's such a you know, she's just so up on

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<v Speaker 2>grammar and you have to say things right, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>not true at all. For many, many years, I actually

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<v Speaker 2>said hydrange up macro phila or macrophyla, and someone said,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, you're right, those are the same root words

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<v Speaker 2>like the phyl And that's what I realized. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>about consistency. So make up your mind how you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to pronounce stuff. Try to interpret that consistently over all

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<v Speaker 2>different parts of speech. Easier said than done, probably, but

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I again, I leave plenty of room

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<v Speaker 2>for giveness when it comes to plant names out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be consistent and just say I'm really fast. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm going to do. So, Stacy, we've had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of great topics through the first one hundred episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, people have enjoyed us walking through the trial

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<v Speaker 1>garden plants of the year, pruning specimen plants. I was

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<v Speaker 1>amazed at how vines and clematis or clematis was such

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<v Speaker 1>a popular topic. But again, to reiterate, I'm interested in

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<v Speaker 1>hearing from our listeners, from our viewers who make this

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<v Speaker 1>show the topics that you're interested in. Because, yes, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred episodes, but Stacy, I think we've just scratched the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>We have, and there's always so much more to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about new topics as well as revisiting old topics with

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<v Speaker 2>new context. Because you know, if we do a spring

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<v Speaker 2>pruning show, that's going to have a very different kind

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<v Speaker 2>of context and lean than if we were to do

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<v Speaker 2>a fall pruning show or a winter pruning show. And so,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, things never really get old. And here's the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing, especially if you are a gardener who is

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<v Speaker 2>very much still learning, as we mostly all are, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't hurt to have things repeated a little bit to

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<v Speaker 2>remind you and bring it back to top of mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, So today we'll talk about garden Topia. Is it attainable?

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<v Speaker 1>A great interview coming up in our fourth segment. I

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<v Speaker 1>like plants that celebrate the seasons, that give three or

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<v Speaker 1>four seasons of interest, plants that are foundational, plants that

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<v Speaker 1>put on a show, Plants that are low maintenance, enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>by wildlife, native of ours like proven winners, color choice shrubs,

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<v Speaker 1>berry Poppins, winterberry or brandywine Vi Burnham. And then of course,

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<v Speaker 1>one of our best topics during the one hundred shows

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<v Speaker 1>was lering plants and positioning plants. That's a hot topic, Stace.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a hot topic. And you know that is one

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<v Speaker 2>where I think a lot of people, and I talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it on the episode. People think there's a right answer,

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<v Speaker 2>People think that there are these formulas, and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>veer out of them. I can tell you that even

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<v Speaker 2>the most talented garden designers out there who make it

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<v Speaker 2>look easy, they have not always gotten it right. They

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<v Speaker 2>finally got it right, and we all keep experimenting. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's really the key, is to keep a

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<v Speaker 2>critical eye and give yourself room to not necessarily make mistakes,

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<v Speaker 2>but to do things that maybe don't work out, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you can almost always, i mean, short of planting

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<v Speaker 2>like an oak tree, you can almost always move things

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<v Speaker 2>and change your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the favorite topics on The Gardening Simplified Show

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<v Speaker 1>is the second segment Plants on Trial, and we can

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<v Speaker 1>tap into Stacy's knowledge of plants, and that's coming up

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<v Speaker 1>next here on our one hundredth episode. We'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>plant Stacy has to share with us. That's coming up

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<v Speaker 1>next here on The Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs care about your success in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden. That's why we trial and test all of

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<v Speaker 2>our shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure they

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<v Speaker 2>outperform everything else on the market. Look for them and

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<v Speaker 2>Gardening friends. For the one hundredth time, it is my

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<v Speaker 2>is where we take a plant, one of the three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty plus proven Winner's Color Choice shrubs, and

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<v Speaker 2>tell you all about it, and you decide if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to put it in your garden. But before we

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<v Speaker 2>get there, the bigger question is garden topia possible?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I believe absolutely it is. It certainly is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>For me. My garden honestly just looks so amazing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It is unequivocally a late July garden just by virtue

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<v Speaker 2>just so grown in. I can't see my neighbors anymore

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful and full. And for me, that is garden topia,

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<v Speaker 2>that feeling of just sort of being surrounded by this

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<v Speaker 2>paradise of you know, diversity of plants, diversity of insects, birds,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, they help you rabbit proof your garden

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<v Speaker 2>think the garden topia is absolutely possible, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm experiencing it, especially at this time of year.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the trick for most people when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to this notion of garden topia, this utopian you

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<v Speaker 2>know garden that can it exist in your backyard, is

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people don't know what that would

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think it's embracing the fact that a

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about utopia, I mean a garden is never finished.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we have photography.

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<v Speaker 1>So to reach utopia, I think it's like it's it's fluid,

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out what that ideal garden topia would look like

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<v Speaker 2>for you. You know, that might be the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maintain all of the neatly prune shrubs. It might be

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<v Speaker 2>of those things. But one element that I personally found,

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<v Speaker 2>heavily residential area, one element that I think is very

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<v Speaker 2>very crucial for a successful garden a utopian garden is

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of enclosure, as you want some structure and

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<v Speaker 2>have to be, you know, a complete privacy edge, but

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<v Speaker 2>as the gardener and person who enjoys your garden, feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you have someplace to really escape to. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna sound kind of mean, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go for it anyway. It kind of it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of gives everybody else something to be jealous of that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a space that they can't go in that you've created,

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<v Speaker 2>and it really is like, oh, I wonder what's back

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<v Speaker 2>there behind that hedge. You know, there's something very enticing

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<v Speaker 2>about a closed gate, about a closed off hedge about

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<v Speaker 2>a place that you can't enter, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>just as important in someone's garden as it is like

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<v Speaker 2>in a public garden or anything like that. So this

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<v Speaker 2>sense of enclosure and creating that is really important. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>open vistas are very important to you, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>our guests will talk more about this, and my garden

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<v Speaker 2>has a little bit of both. You know. I give

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<v Speaker 2>some great borrowed scenery, which is basically when you can

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<v Speaker 2>that somehow escaped Dutch elm disease, and that adds a

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<v Speaker 2>in my yard, it's off, but I can see it

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<v Speaker 2>from my garden. So you kind of have this mix

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<v Speaker 2>of enclosure created by tall plants and as well as

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<v Speaker 2>this ability to see out. So I think these tall

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<v Speaker 2>enclosing plants are a really crucial part of the garden

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<v Speaker 2>and not something that I think most people think about

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<v Speaker 2>including in their garden because most people are like, I

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<v Speaker 2>want something short, I don't want to have to prune it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're thinking more about just things framing the

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<v Speaker 2>window or again being very neat and tidy, and these

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<v Speaker 2>taller plants that provide that enclosure are really really crucial

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<v Speaker 2>now for most people if they're talking about a privacy hedge,

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<v Speaker 2>an enclosure of some sort, some way to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>create your own little protected area. The number one plant

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<v Speaker 2>most people think of arborviting, right, I mean absolutely, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the go to hedge plant, and for good reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fast growing, it is inexpensive for growers to produce.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an easy plant for them to grow, which makes

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<v Speaker 2>it very inexpensive for you to buy, which is something

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<v Speaker 2>that also usually if you're planting a hedge, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>that cost comes into play because it's a lot of plants,

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<v Speaker 2>it's native, it has a delicious, delicious smell. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the smell of arboridy foliage. Pretty easy to grow, pretty durable,

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<v Speaker 2>and pretty fast growing as well, but not extremely heat

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<v Speaker 2>tolerant and as Rick and I can certainly attest, far

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<v Speaker 2>from deer resistant. An arborvity would never last and it

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<v Speaker 2>would be, you know, like a snowball in July in

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<v Speaker 2>my garden. Because deer don't just eat it. They love it,

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<v Speaker 2>that fruity fragrance. They adore it. So you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>arborvity to create a sense of enclosure is just not like,

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<v Speaker 2>not even something I could consider.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd add an element through the years in garden centers,

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<v Speaker 1>watching people, the element of touch. Also, arbor vidy is

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<v Speaker 1>is fun to touch, comparatively comparatively to let's say, juniper.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh oh, yes, that's for sure too. It's not prickly.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a nice kind of smooth, waxy looking leaf.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, not all of us have arborvide as an

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<v Speaker 2>an insightly view. And another important aspect of this is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're creating your garden topia and blamo, there's

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<v Speaker 2>your air conditioner, Like not really bringing the romance when

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<v Speaker 2>you see your noisy old air conditioner in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of your beautiful, romantic garden. So that might be a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where you want to kind of screen that off

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<v Speaker 2>from the area, you know, where you're spending time, so

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to see it and think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you're looking for these screening or hedging or

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<v Speaker 2>privacy type of plants. Arborviti is not an option. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I do have an option for you. It is today's

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<v Speaker 2>plant on trial, and it is this is just one

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<v Speaker 2>piece of it. It's not the plant cedar rapids. Cama

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<v Speaker 2>cipress love it. Yes, So Camma cipress is also known

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<v Speaker 2>as false cypress. And you know, we could spend a

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<v Speaker 2>whole show, probably one day, talking about the nuances and

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<v Speaker 2>confusion between cypress and cedar and all of these different terms.

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<v Speaker 2>But Camma cipress is known as false cypress and also

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<v Speaker 2>known as hinoki cypress. So Hainoki cypress is a plant

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<v Speaker 2>that I think a lot of people are familiar with.

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<v Speaker 2>They may have heard the name. Technically speaking, Hainoki cypress

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<v Speaker 2>is Cama cipress obtusa, and that is a very specific one.

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<v Speaker 2>It tends to be very small and selected for having

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<v Speaker 2>really unique foliage. They look like they were in a

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<v Speaker 2>coral reef or something like really sculptural, beautiful foliage. They

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<v Speaker 2>tend to be specimen plants, though slower growing because of

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<v Speaker 2>this short.

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<v Speaker 1>As it relates to arborvidi, great for hedging. As you

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out, camicipress just makes a great specimen plant.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, except there are also Cama cipprus that can

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<v Speaker 2>be used as hedges, and cedar rapids is one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So cedar rapids is a Cama Ciprius pacifera. So the

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<v Speaker 2>point that I'm making here is that there are a

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<v Speaker 2>number of different species of Camma cipprus out there. So

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<v Speaker 2>don't you say, hey, I've got this, you know, little

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<v Speaker 2>Hinoki cypress. I've had it for twenty five years. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing is five feet tall. There's no way I'm making

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<v Speaker 2>a hedge out of this. There are other types of

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<v Speaker 2>Cama Cippus out there, fall cypress. Camma ciprius pacifera is

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<v Speaker 2>what cedar rapids is. Fun fact, since we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>botanical names, the pacifera part of the name pisi fer

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<v Speaker 2>comes from the Latin for p bearing like it bears peas.

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<v Speaker 1>But wow, you've given us all a head ucation.

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<v Speaker 2>I have, and it's not remol related related to peas,

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<v Speaker 2>just the little tiny green fruits that it bears. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>to someone back in the day Linnaeus or whoever resembled piece.

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<v Speaker 2>So Camma Cipus pacifica very different animal than the Hanoki cypress,

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<v Speaker 2>also known as the Sowara cypress. So you might be thinking, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>these names sound kind of Japanese, and you are correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Most there are native Cama cipress to the US, but

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<v Speaker 2>most of the ones we grow in our garden are

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<v Speaker 2>native japan to Japan, and this is no different. But

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<v Speaker 2>this plant is a fast growing Cama cipress, so faster

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<v Speaker 2>growing than most Cama ciprus that you might be used

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<v Speaker 2>to or have had in your garden, and that makes

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<v Speaker 2>it a viable hedge plant. It naturally grows with a

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<v Speaker 2>dense pyramidal habit, so it's going to have that same

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<v Speaker 2>kind of ice cream cone shape that people love upside

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<v Speaker 2>down ice cream cone shape that people love so much

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<v Speaker 2>in most arbor idy. It's going to get to be

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<v Speaker 2>about thirty feet tall and twelve to fifteen feet wide,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is a bigger plant. It might not be

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<v Speaker 2>a viable hedging option for your screening option for you

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<v Speaker 2>if you live in a smaller area, because that twelve

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<v Speaker 2>to few fifteen foot range at the bottom is taking

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<v Speaker 2>up quite a bit of real estate. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>have more space, I think that sense of enclosure in

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<v Speaker 2>creating separate spaces for you to spend time in is

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<v Speaker 2>an even more crucial part of creating that garden topia,

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<v Speaker 2>because how else are you going to you know, break

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<v Speaker 2>up your space and create those more intimate spaces than

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<v Speaker 2>with some structure like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I agree with you. It's all about space.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love your concept of borrowed space. I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here thinking about my space, my enclosure, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>borrowed space, Lake Michigan, the dunes and my neighbor's outdoor shower.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to do something about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Michigan and the dunes is good. But yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>outward shower. Maybe time for a camma cipress or something

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<v Speaker 2>else like that. Now, Cama ciprus and cedar rapids specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>the branchlets are very soft and kind of almost feathery.

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<v Speaker 2>So I brought this one in and if you're watching

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<v Speaker 2>us on need To, you can see they just have

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<v Speaker 2>these almost featherlike branchlets that gives it a really elegant

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<v Speaker 2>kind of soft to look nice, bright green foliage. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is deer resistant. Now, it's not prickly like where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can see me touching it. I'm not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, wincing in pain. Here, tiny bit of prickliness

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<v Speaker 2>on it, But overall, camisippris is a great deer resistant

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<v Speaker 2>alternative to arbor id, and it's a bit more heat

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<v Speaker 2>tolerant as well. This can easily grow up to USDA

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<v Speaker 2>Zone eight, a little less hardy. We're looking at USDA

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<v Speaker 2>Zone four on this, whereas most arbor IDs are down

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<v Speaker 2>to USDA Zone three. Did you touch It's nice and soft. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so a really really nice choice. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just good for people to know that. You know, when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to this, you don't just have to throw

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<v Speaker 2>up your hands and say I can't grow arborvidy. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what I'll do. I guess I'll just have

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<v Speaker 2>You can still create plant based solutions to building garden rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>I just love that, Stacy, because we'd love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>what you have to say or if you have thought topics, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>let us hear about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we love hearing about it. And you were sharing

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<v Speaker 2>with me an interesting idea from a listener, Marv. Yeah, tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Marv sent us some pictures. You're seeing it on

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube or you can go to our website, Gardeningsimplified on

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<v Speaker 1>air dot Com. Marv doing a great job with his

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<v Speaker 1>tomatoes and a great photo of how he pairs basil

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<v Speaker 1>with his tomatoes. He grows basil at the base. I

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<v Speaker 1>have always said that it is basil instinct to grow

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<v Speaker 1>basil in close proximity to tomato plants because the tomatoes

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<v Speaker 1>will taste better. I have no scientific evidence for that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's convenient in any case to have the basil intro.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no evidence, but it doesn't hurt and it does

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<v Speaker 2>look great together. And then you know when you're harvesting

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<v Speaker 2>your peak tomatoes for that, you know Ensalada cuprazy at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of summer. The basil's right there. Now, what's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to me is that Marvis is growing a little

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<v Speaker 2>leaf basil. I feel like most people grow the bigger

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<v Speaker 2>leaf basils, but he's growing a little leaf basil sometimes

486
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<v Speaker 2>called box basil, sometimes called Greek basil, and that's the

487
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<v Speaker 2>main basil that he has. So that's an interesting take

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<v Speaker 2>as well. It gives it kind of a more formal look.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's very, very pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Michael writes to us. This Bollywood

491
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<v Speaker 1>variegated azalea has been in the ground a few years.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a great little azalea with awesome showstopper blooms

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<v Speaker 1>in the spring. My concern is that it appears to

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<v Speaker 1>have a girdling root, so we're looking at that picture,

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<v Speaker 1>and again we'll share that picture on our website. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>is this a problem and if it is, can anything

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<v Speaker 1>be done to secure the longevity of the shrub?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, a girdling root basically just means a root

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<v Speaker 2>that is growing around and around in circles and can

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<v Speaker 2>actually start to wrap around the plant and cut off.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we've all seen a tree sort of grow

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<v Speaker 2>into like a fence or something like that. Sometimes a

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<v Speaker 2>tree winds, sometimes the fence winds. So what happens is

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<v Speaker 2>these roots they grow around and around, and they can

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<v Speaker 2>actually cut off the plant from the roots or cut

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<v Speaker 2>off part of the cambium so that water and sugars

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<v Speaker 2>can't make their way through the plant. And sometimes this

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<v Speaker 2>can be an issue of just how the plant was

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<v Speaker 2>grown originally. Sometimes it just happens on its own just

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<v Speaker 2>because of the way that the roots grow. But my

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<v Speaker 2>advice in Michael's case here would be to just go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and snip that root. You can see in the photo.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a rather larger root. And azalea's overall are

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sensitive to anything going on with the roots. They're

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<v Speaker 2>shallow rooted. But you know, I think you do obviously

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<v Speaker 2>love this plant it's a nice established specimen. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that just snipping that root, like right where it starts

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<v Speaker 2>to cross over the other root, because all of this

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<v Speaker 2>is happening above ground. So that's why Michael can tell

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<v Speaker 2>I would just go ahead and snip that out with

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<v Speaker 2>a nice, very very sharp, fresh pair of pruners and

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of correct the problem. I think that's better

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<v Speaker 2>than having it potentially get worse and then not having

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to correct it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree with clipping the root if push comes

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<v Speaker 1>to shovel. I would suggest doing it in fall. Of course, fall,

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<v Speaker 1>because the soil is nice and warm and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>stress on the plant. Roots can redevelop at that time

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<v Speaker 1>of the year. Not that that's critical. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>from my experience that's probably when I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you're right, And the timing is obviously

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<v Speaker 2>perfect because here we are at the height of summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Fall would be perfect again because the plant's already going dormant.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still going to have plenty of all of that

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<v Speaker 2>root root growth time in the fall, So I would

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and snip that out. If this were a tree,

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<v Speaker 2>it would maybe be a little bit different that wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be quite a straightforward, but since this is a small shrub,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say do that before it gets worse and

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<v Speaker 2>the plant, you know, should be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy, you loved some beautiful pictures that Rebecca sent to us,

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<v Speaker 1>photos of an area where she's been hiking for years,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden that area is covered in mysterious.

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<v Speaker 2>Flower, right and now, I so when you sent these

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<v Speaker 2>pictures to me, I was maybe I immediately knew what

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<v Speaker 2>the plant was, But when I looked through the photos

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<v Speaker 2>that Rebecca sent, I can see how it would be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty freaky because this plant is absolutely carpeting this area.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you can look at the photo on YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>or on our website at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>But just if you are in the car or whatever listening,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a forest here in Michigan and there is all over,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, literally thousands of these flowers coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>say maybe a twelve inch stem, little ball starburst flower,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe about the size of a quarry. They

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<v Speaker 2>look like alis, they look like aliums. They also could

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<v Speaker 2>look like in aralia, which was one of the first things,

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<v Speaker 2>which one is one of the first things I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>but then I said, no, no, I know what exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>this is absolutely carpeting the ground. I mean literally thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of them. I have never seen a site like this

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. And what it is is ramps. Yeah, yeah, ramps.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're familiar with ramps, they are a native

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<v Speaker 2>Alium family member, so a native onion relative. They come

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<v Speaker 2>out in spring with beautiful broad leaves and a purple stem.

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<v Speaker 2>They will give you, before worn, the worst onion breath

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<v Speaker 2>you've ever had in your life, but it is more

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<v Speaker 2>than worth it because they have such a unique and

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<v Speaker 2>delicious flavor. And most people only think about ramps in

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<v Speaker 2>spring when you would actually harvest them or see them abundantly,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in moisture woods, so not so much dry woods,

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<v Speaker 2>but in moisture woods you'll see them. Most people never

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<v Speaker 2>see them flower because ramps flower what is known in

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<v Speaker 2>horticulture as naked, so that means that they flower without

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<v Speaker 2>any foliage or other parts of the plant. So even

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<v Speaker 2>though ramps come out in spring and that's when you

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<v Speaker 2>actually harvest the leaf and little bulb and stem there,

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<v Speaker 2>the flowers bloom here in late July without a single

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<v Speaker 2>shred of evidence as to what the plant is, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's really kind of bewildering, especially to see it at

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<v Speaker 2>the scale that this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, bewildering and beautiful. So we appreciate those those pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing a little research on that. To Stacey, what I read,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure if this is true, but I

585
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<v Speaker 1>read seven years for one ramp seed to emerge as

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<v Speaker 1>a shoot, Oh wow, and that would explain why she's

587
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<v Speaker 1>hiking in the area, had never seen it before, and

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<v Speaker 1>now all of a sudden sees it. Ramps can be

589
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<v Speaker 1>quite expensive, they're a delicacy, and they can also be

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<v Speaker 1>over foraged.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, they can definitely be over foraged. It's Rebecca

592
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<v Speaker 2>has not found an or over forged path, right, you

593
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<v Speaker 2>know area of it because they are abundant. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you do have to be careful obviously, never harvest ramps

595
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<v Speaker 2>on property that is not your owner, that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have permission to harvest on. But that is why it's

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<v Speaker 2>a good point why all of a sudden, after hiking

598
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<v Speaker 2>there for many years, you see this explosion of ramflowers,

599
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<v Speaker 2>and Rebecca, what you saw really is an anomaly. It

600
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<v Speaker 2>was very special and you should consider yourself lucky. And

601
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<v Speaker 2>if you aren't Rebecca. You should definitely check out the

602
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<v Speaker 2>pictures because it is pretty magical.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gorgeous. And then Michelle sends us a photo of

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<v Speaker 1>an echinasia with a split personality stage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this was a fun one and you're definitely

606
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<v Speaker 2>going around look at a picture of this as well

607
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<v Speaker 2>on Gardening Simplified on air dot com. And what you'll

608
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<v Speaker 2>see is a regular echinaesia. So people are familiar with ecinaesia,

609
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<v Speaker 2>usually it's purple, but this particular one is an orange

610
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<v Speaker 2>or yellow one. And what has happened to the plant,

611
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<v Speaker 2>the flower itself is that it almost looks like someone

612
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<v Speaker 2>took painter's tape and made a line directly down the

613
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<v Speaker 2>center of the flower. And half of it is bright

614
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<v Speaker 2>yellow and half of it is distinctively bright orange.

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<v Speaker 1>Stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>It is very stunning, and it is a known as

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<v Speaker 2>a chimera, and a chimera it's named for the ancient

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<v Speaker 2>Greek creature fire breathing monster that was had a lion's head,

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<v Speaker 2>a goat's body, and a serpent's tail. Now some pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of a chimera. If you look it up, it's got

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<v Speaker 2>the lion you know, head and forearms, it's got the

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<v Speaker 2>goat head and back quarters, and then the tail and

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<v Speaker 2>the serpent's head, So it's all three animals crushed into

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<v Speaker 2>one kind of terrifying creature. How that translates botanically to

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<v Speaker 2>what a plant chimera is is. It is multiple genes

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<v Speaker 2>manifesting within a single flower. This isn't like totally unusual,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not common. And the chimera mutation is basically

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<v Speaker 2>just as the flower was developing that apical mara sem

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<v Speaker 2>where the growth point comes from. It just whatever mutation happened,

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<v Speaker 2>it caused those two genes to develop at similar rates.

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<v Speaker 2>And it literally means that there are two different genomes

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<v Speaker 2>existing within this single flower. Now, I will tell you

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<v Speaker 2>right now, chimeras are very complicated genetically, and I could

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<v Speaker 2>not possibly even pretend to explain to you what's actually

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<v Speaker 2>going on. But I did find some great resources that

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<v Speaker 2>I will post in our show notes at Gardening Simplified

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<v Speaker 2>on air dot com if you are interested in learning more.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no need to do anything if your plant does this.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked some of our plant breeders what they thought

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<v Speaker 2>if this would continue, if you would see this again

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<v Speaker 2>next year, and they said very likely you will, so

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<v Speaker 2>no need to do anything. It's not a mutation. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a weakening mutation. It's a mutation, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, genes from the plant's past sort of

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<v Speaker 2>making themselves known today.

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<v Speaker 1>Accept compliments on the mutation. I think it's beautiful chimerism,

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<v Speaker 1>something that I've seen often in Zenius.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yeah, there's some Some plants are more susceptible,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously the daisy family are ast racy, as we

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<v Speaker 2>can see with zecond aisha. So if you find a

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<v Speaker 2>k chimera, go ahead and send us a picture and

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<v Speaker 2>patch yourself on the back. So we're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a little break. When we come back, we've got a

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<v Speaker 2>special guest for branching news, so please stay tuned. The

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, and today for

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<v Speaker 1>branching news and interview. Looking forward to this along the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of garden Topia, and if you're watching on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy's holding up this beautiful book right now written by

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<v Speaker 1>Jan Johnson Now. Jan is an award winning landscape designer

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<v Speaker 1>and author and a speaker. She studied landscape architecture and

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<v Speaker 1>received a graduate degree in planning. She's worked in New York, Honolulu, Japan, California, Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. Of course, designs landscapes, and as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>is an author the beautiful book garden Topia Designed Basics

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<v Speaker 1>for Creating Beautiful outdoor Spaces. Of course, this follows the

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<v Speaker 1>other books she's written, The Spirit of Stone and Heaven

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<v Speaker 1>is a Garden. I love following Jan on Instagram because

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<v Speaker 1>it's inspirational. Jan, Welcome to the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, hello everyone, Hi, Rick, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 3>that great intro.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me start here because it's our topic. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course people right now are looking at your beautiful book,

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<v Speaker 1>garden Topia. Garden Topia, you say, is that rare marriage

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<v Speaker 1>of the art of landscaping and the technical knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>how to compose a landscape? I should ask right off

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<v Speaker 1>the bat, Jan, is garden Topia attainable?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Absolutely? And it doesn't matter how big a piece

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<v Speaker 3>of property you have. I mean, it could be very small,

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<v Speaker 3>like I have a very small backyard, but it is

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<v Speaker 3>definitely my little sanctuary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we were talking about space earlier. You mentioned sanctuary.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the ideals as far as garden Topia

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<v Speaker 1>is concerned, is to create your space. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is episode one hundred. One of the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>shows we did was a show on layering, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>how to place plants and where to place plants. I

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<v Speaker 1>noticed on Instagram that you recently landscaped a fire pit

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<v Speaker 1>area and I thought it was just so beautiful because

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<v Speaker 1>you simply used what was it hacking achlore, Japanese forest grass.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, Japanese forest grass that was a variety called all.

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<v Speaker 1>Gold, Okay, and that made for an amazing space.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh listen, Yeah, it was a very simple h terrace,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, bluestone terrace that we made, and then how

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of define it well the easy and in

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<v Speaker 3>deer countries, you know, you always have to worry about

701
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<v Speaker 3>the deer chomping on your plants, and so Japanese forest

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<v Speaker 3>grass seemed to me to be a great solution. And

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<v Speaker 3>I bordered a good portion of the terrace with this

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful yellow gold grass that just all grows in together.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>It is one of those plants that I think so

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<v Speaker 2>many people have, you know, a big, tall, stiffness canthus

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<v Speaker 2>in mind when they think of ornamental grasses, and so

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<v Speaker 2>when they see hakonakloa and it just has that like lush, soft,

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<v Speaker 2>touchable texture, it really makes people rethink ornamental grasses. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that designer you know of your caliber who

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<v Speaker 2>have that experience. You know, you can also use it

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of visually simulate water and other different textures

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<v Speaker 2>in the garden.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it's also really good for erosion control, you

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<v Speaker 3>can because it just like you were saying, it has

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<v Speaker 3>that soft, kind of moundy look to it, which is

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<v Speaker 3>so great. And so it works really well on a

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<v Speaker 3>slope because you know, you're not looking up at a

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<v Speaker 3>stem necessarily, just all the soft breed bending over. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>We're chatting with designer and author Jan Johnson her beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>book garden Topia, and you mentioned Jan. Okay, so garden

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<v Speaker 1>Topia is attainable. In looking at your blog, I was

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<v Speaker 1>interested in this quote that rare moment of reconnection can

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<v Speaker 1>become more prevalent in your life if you take the

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<v Speaker 1>time to notice the natural world. Just as a wine

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<v Speaker 1>connoisseur relishes that first sip on the tongue, you can

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<v Speaker 1>learn to savor a flower, a rock, or even a breeze.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that so lovely And it's so true, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, people just have to stop and be observant

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<v Speaker 3>and just notice, in my opinions, how amazing nature is.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's much more easily done if you have a

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<v Speaker 3>little outdoor space that you can do that in. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's hard when you're just being bombarded by all

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<v Speaker 3>the stimuli. But if you're got a space, even if

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<v Speaker 3>it's just a terrace and you have pots, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with flowers in them, at least if you have a

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<v Speaker 3>little place where you can stop and just take some

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<v Speaker 3>deep breaths and just see what's around you. I find

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<v Speaker 3>that people once they learn to appreciate a flower or

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<v Speaker 3>a texture of a plant or something like that, it

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<v Speaker 3>never leaves them. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, and jan you call them stop time moments.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I've done years of radio and I was

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<v Speaker 1>always taught to create what we call driveway moments where

747
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<v Speaker 1>you sit in the car and you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>leave the car because you're really listening to what's being

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<v Speaker 1>said on that show. But stop time moments. How do

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<v Speaker 1>we create stop time moments in our landscapes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I guess they should explain what that means.

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<v Speaker 3>I certainly understand driveway moments. I have done that so

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<v Speaker 3>often when you sit in the car because you want

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<v Speaker 3>to keep hearing the podcast or whatever you're listening to.

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<v Speaker 3>You just sit different finishing more minutes than that. But

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<v Speaker 3>I guess what it is is that we'll and I

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<v Speaker 3>write this, I think of myself. You know, I'm always

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<v Speaker 3>rushing from here to there, get things done. Whatever. You

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<v Speaker 3>just stop and one moment can almost feel like ten

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<v Speaker 3>minutes because it's just that time where you, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you stop and you just kind of almost get lost,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you almost get lost in the thought or

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<v Speaker 3>even like in a fragrance like I have. Every summer,

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<v Speaker 3>I plant the garden you bush in a big planter,

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<v Speaker 3>and I put it outside in my door, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just go out there and I sniff the gardenias. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's my stop time moment, it's like, Okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's what I mean by that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, you know, so many people feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you have to know something about plants or about gardening

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<v Speaker 2>to get there, and you know, so often I think

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<v Speaker 2>if people just let themselves fall in love with something,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it is just one plant, and they put

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<v Speaker 2>it on a container on their little terrace or near

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on their back porch where they spend time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as you spend time with a plant, and

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<v Speaker 2>as you get to know it, and you see the

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<v Speaker 2>light change, and you see the plant change through time,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, through the seas, and you watch insects

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<v Speaker 2>interact with it. All of this that is really what

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<v Speaker 2>starts to I think, take you down that road. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the kind of thing where I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people just assume, oh, you know, they've just already

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<v Speaker 2>had some sort of enlightenment and I'm never going to

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<v Speaker 2>get there, but that we've all found our way to

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<v Speaker 2>that level of enjoying an appreciation of plants and gardening

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<v Speaker 2>through yes, single moments like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And also like you were just saying, and I

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<v Speaker 3>agree with you totally, even if it's just one plant,

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<v Speaker 3>you create a relationship with that one plant. You may

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<v Speaker 3>not know anything else, but you know the hellibores because

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<v Speaker 3>Aunt Mary gave you this plant that you didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>anything about. And now that you see that it's evergreen

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<v Speaker 3>and it actually has a flower in early spring. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that's what gets you started on that path,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and you say hello boys, and go oh,

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<v Speaker 3>let me tell you about my hellboy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's exactly my point. Jan You develop a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with plants and with your landscape. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>take the time to develop that relationship, then you're more

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<v Speaker 1>or less a laborer, not a gardener. And I apia right.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely, And I'm trying. What I try to do

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<v Speaker 3>is design basics. Is because a lot of people love

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<v Speaker 3>these plants and they'll go out and they'll get that

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful uh let's dance hydrangea or something that they but

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<v Speaker 3>then they just kind of go, well, where do I

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<v Speaker 3>put it? Where do I put it? It's and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying no, no, no, let's think about that before you

809
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<v Speaker 3>you know, buy the plant, make you know, get prepared

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit beforehand. But I and I try to

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<v Speaker 3>make it easy to follow. I say things like a

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<v Speaker 3>pop of red and they you know, and like that's

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<v Speaker 3>a great design. Kip, by the way, is that you

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<v Speaker 3>know all these great artists like Sey Zon or Norman Rockwell,

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<v Speaker 3>for a look at their paintings, they always have a

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<v Speaker 3>little pop of bread in the painting. I used to

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<v Speaker 3>I used to take my son when he was young,

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<v Speaker 3>to the Rockwell Museum in Massachusetts, and I used to

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<v Speaker 3>tell them to look at the paintings and find the

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<v Speaker 3>little dot of red for me, and he could in

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<v Speaker 3>every single one. And it's the same thing in the garden.

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<v Speaker 3>You can just put a little dot of red, like

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<v Speaker 3>a little red coxco or or a red poppy or

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<v Speaker 3>something like that, and it and it adds a little

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<v Speaker 3>vibrancy to the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a great piece of advice too, that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people don't people think, oh, I don't know enough about color.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know enough about color theory to design a garden.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, in that case, don't you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be the expert. You know, let Paul Clay be

831
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<v Speaker 2>the expert. Let Norman Rockweller says on be the expert,

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<v Speaker 2>and take your inspiration from the color that someone like

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<v Speaker 2>that has already. You know, if you connect with the

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<v Speaker 2>painting or another piece of artwork, you know, how can

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<v Speaker 2>you interpret those same kind of colors, you know, in

836
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<v Speaker 2>plants in your own yard. There's just so many opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>for inspiration. And honestly, Jen, that's what I really love

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<v Speaker 2>about your Garden Topia book. I see the subtitle here

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<v Speaker 2>on the back is one hundred and thirty five Inspiring

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<v Speaker 2>Tips to transform any backyard, garden or lawn. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly the kind of book that I love to

842
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<v Speaker 2>have around, like on my coffee table, on my side table,

843
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.280
<v Speaker 2>and then whenever you need a little bit of garden inspiration,

844
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<v Speaker 2>especially in the winter, you know, thinking about how I

845
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<v Speaker 2>want to make this change, and I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>just one of those books that is just so full

847
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<v Speaker 2>of inspiration and then you know, actual practical information on

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<v Speaker 2>how you can then interpret it in your garden. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just I think it's really like I

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<v Speaker 2>love a good informational book. I love a good book

851
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you can get into and read all about taxonomy and

852
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 2>all of this other stuff. But these good design books

853
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<v Speaker 2>where you can just kind of let your imagination run wild,

854
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, ask yourself, what do I like about

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<v Speaker 2>this idea, what would this mean in my yard with

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00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the materials you know, like out here in Michigan, we

857
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 2>don't you know, bluestone re costs and arm and a leg,

858
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, how can we use our materials to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, interpret a lot of these ideas. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just think I really enjoyed looking through this book so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. Yeah, And you know, people say

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<v Speaker 3>to me, well, out of all these tips, what's the

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<v Speaker 3>most important tip. I've had that question, and you want

864
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<v Speaker 3>to know what it is. Yes, it's called it's all

865
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:31.320
<v Speaker 3>about the soil. I think that's the one because if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't, if you don't create beautiful, beautiful soil, then

867
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 3>you're already going to sail, you know what I'm saying.

868
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Like even like even in pots, right you have to

869
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.440
<v Speaker 3>plant it in potting mix, in a in a planter, right.

870
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 3>Not you can't take the sell out of your yard

871
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<v Speaker 3>and jump it in the planter because it's too heavy.

872
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.840
<v Speaker 3>But the same thing with planting. And I always say

873
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<v Speaker 3>to people, you know, you don't have to buy the

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00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:02.199
<v Speaker 3>seven gallon plant by the three down plants, but just

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<v Speaker 3>put the money into making your soil beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's great. We're chatting with Jan Johnson her

877
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 1>beautiful book Garden Topia. Jan is a speaker and author,

878
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<v Speaker 1>a designer, and Jan just recently adran Or Robinson got

879
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<v Speaker 1>back from Cape Cod and her photography, of course, is

880
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 1>always so beautiful. Her video. Oh yeah, but it looks

881
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<v Speaker 1>like the high Ranges were gorgeous. You just returned.

882
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<v Speaker 3>Also, Yes, every year, like clockwork, I spend a week

883
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.519
<v Speaker 3>camping in Wellfleet, which is the northern part of Cape Cod.

884
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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't miss it for the world because it's just

885
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:43.480
<v Speaker 3>it is a gardener's paradise. I mean everybody goes, of

886
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<v Speaker 3>course to sit on the beach, but the plants there

887
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.760
<v Speaker 3>grow like crazy, especially hydrange.

888
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.679
<v Speaker 1>And of course you also recently traveled to Italy. Is

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00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Boy, was I lucky? Yes, I've never been there before

892
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.239
<v Speaker 3>and a family member got married and so of course

893
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<v Speaker 3>we had to go, no matter what, we had to

894
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<v Speaker 3>go to this wedding. Boy was I happy to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Rennaissance gardens or something unusual, right not, you know,

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00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 3>with all their statutory and everything, but they knew how

897
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<v Speaker 3>to use design technique like nobody else. I mean, we're

898
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:29.239
<v Speaker 3>still learning from them. They use statuary and plants together

899
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<v Speaker 3>to create a marvelous environment. I highly recommend people to

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<v Speaker 3>check out the gardens of Italy, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the fact that they have persisted. Of course,

902
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.320
<v Speaker 2>they've been changed, and you know, different owners have changed

903
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>them according to their whims over time. But you know

904
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<v Speaker 2>the fact that these gardens have persisted for literally hundreds

905
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.199
<v Speaker 2>of years as a real testament to how timeless they

906
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<v Speaker 2>are and how much we need gardens as humans, you know,

907
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:57.199
<v Speaker 2>to enjoy. And yeah, I think Italy is it is

908
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:01.679
<v Speaker 2>definitely a bucket list trip for any gardener exactly.

909
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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it's interesting you say that, because, in

910
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<v Speaker 3>my opinion, we need gardens and parks and common outdoor

911
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 3>spaces more than ever. We have to make places where

912
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<v Speaker 3>people can enjoy the outdoors, you know, especially with our kids.

913
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<v Speaker 3>You know, they're always staring at screens. You know, we

914
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.840
<v Speaker 3>need places that allow them to get in your little

915
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<v Speaker 3>stream and play with it and just enjoy nature. And

916
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<v Speaker 3>if nature's not nearby, then we have to create it

917
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<v Speaker 3>in some form or other. That I feel so strongly about.

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<v Speaker 1>That I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Jan your work has been featured in many publications and

921
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<v Speaker 1>you have more than forty years of experience. You own

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<v Speaker 1>New York based Johnson Landscape and Landscapes and Pools. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you a very unfair question for

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<v Speaker 1>the benefit of our listeners and our viewers, and that

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00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 1>is do you have a favorite plant?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow? Yes, I do you have that? Depth? Oh? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I do. It's the Oakley hydranger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, great answer.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Oakley hydrangea and all varieties. I mean, they're

930
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:23.079
<v Speaker 3>also its great varieties. And the reason I love that

931
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<v Speaker 3>so much is, first of all, I love the old texture.

932
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<v Speaker 3>I love the flowers and the fact that the flowers

933
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<v Speaker 3>stay on the plant and they just get darker with age,

934
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<v Speaker 3>and then of course in the fall it gets that burnished,

935
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<v Speaker 3>dark red leaves. It's just I just love that plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd have to agree with you. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>my plants that I put into the category of three

938
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<v Speaker 1>to four seasons of interest and that that plant makes

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<v Speaker 1>for an ideal impact in landscapes. Her name is Jan Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>Her book Garden Topia.

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<v Speaker 3>Jan.

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<v Speaker 1>How do people learn learn more about you? Do you

943
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<v Speaker 1>have a website you can share with us?

944
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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

945
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, thank you for talking about my

946
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<v Speaker 3>Instagram every day I post on Instagram every day and

947
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<v Speaker 3>so that's the Instagram address is Johnson Design j O

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<v Speaker 3>h N s e N. Designed. A lot of people

949
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.119
<v Speaker 3>don't realize that, but my last name is Johnson is Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>And then my I have a substack. Now I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if people know what that is. It's the platform

952
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.719
<v Speaker 3>for posts, and so my substack is Jan Johnson dot

953
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<v Speaker 3>substack dot com. And of course the name of it

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<v Speaker 3>is Gardentopia. And lastly my website which is Johnson Landscapes dot.

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<v Speaker 1>Com Johnson Landscapes dot com. So j O h N

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<v Speaker 1>s e n. The book is garden Toopia. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree, Stacey. When I get on Instagram, Jan's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first people I look for.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you.

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00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Speaker 2>It is so wonderful to have such a great source

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<v Speaker 2>of inspiration. And we really appreciate you sharing your work

962
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:09.800
<v Speaker 2>and your perspective and making that a feel for anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really love proven winners plans just so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and all the great variety you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you well, it means a lot to us.

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00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us today. Jan, We appreciate it so

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00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>much and all the best to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks again, bye now bye bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was great. Now, if you didn't catch any

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<v Speaker 2>of those links, we will have them all linked for

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<v Speaker 2>you so you can find Jan's Instagram, website and substack

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<v Speaker 2>on our website, Gardening Simplified on air dot com. We

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<v Speaker 2>want to thank Jan, I want to thank you Rick,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank you Adriana, and thank you all

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<v Speaker 2>so much for following us for the past one hundred episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's to the next one hundred. Hope you can take

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<v Speaker 2>a moment to fill out our survey at Gardeningsimplified on

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<v Speaker 2>air dot com. Thanks so much and have a wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>week ahead.