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Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, let's go. It has been reported that
Speaker 3: the Cowboys first you know, formal interview since the Dion buzz,
Speaker 3: because really don't even know if the Dion thing was
Speaker 3: even an interview. It was more like contact, A couple
Speaker 3: guys holler at each other, talk about the good old days.
Speaker 3: More likely a couple of marketers helping each other out.
Speaker 3: That's probably what it was, although.
Speaker 4: Should we say the super crazy rumor thing we heard
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 1: I was just sitting there thinking that, so we had
Speaker 1: somebody had told us that they heard the irresponsible rumor,
Speaker 1: and we're fine with the irresponsible rumors. That Will McClay, Steven,
Speaker 1: and Jerry all got together to talk about ways they
Speaker 1: could all improve and things they need to change and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And the rumor was that that meeting did not go
Speaker 1: over well with Jerry, so he went rogue and just
Speaker 1: went and called Dion.
Speaker 3: Well, that would match what Jane Slater's been reporting that
Speaker 3: Jerry's been going flying solo on this.
Speaker 2: Really okay.
Speaker 4: I didn't see Jane say that.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: That's based on phone calls that she's had and she's like,
Speaker 3: I'm not reporting this, just like it appears that Jerry's
Speaker 3: just kind of doing his own thing right now.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that would totally match what Jerry
Speaker 4: said while they were showing him crying on land Man.
Speaker 4: He said, I bought this team for me. I didn't
Speaker 4: buy this for my kids. I'm hiring Dion all.
Speaker 3: This kind of that that would check out, honestly. Now,
Speaker 3: the idea that Dion needs a new contractor is working
Speaker 3: on a new contract at Colorado and a little rays
Speaker 3: would make sense. Keep in mind this is a story
Speaker 3: from twenty sixteen, but I do think it shows you
Speaker 3: how close Dion and Jerry are of the years. Jalen
Speaker 3: Ramsey was a big topic of discussion around here when
Speaker 3: the Cowboys said the number four pick in the draft,
Speaker 3: and it was like, is he a cornerback or is
Speaker 3: he a safety? He talked to Dion. Dion loved Jalen
Speaker 3: Ramsey because he went to Florida State. But the story,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if it's true or not, that
Speaker 3: Dion was like, he's more of a safety, yes, And
Speaker 3: if you're gonna top five, you're gonna want to take
Speaker 3: a corner, a log down corner, not a safety.
Speaker 2: Zeke was the top player on the board.
Speaker 4: Anyways, whether that's true or not that Deon said that,
Speaker 4: I remember that being a story at the draft.
Speaker 3: It's interesting now Jane said this last night, but basically
Speaker 3: that Jerry is currently on a solo mission. No official
Speaker 3: interviews or calls even place Tosi, and we learned today
Speaker 3: that Robert Sala had been contacted. So Robert Sala, if
Speaker 3: he is the Cowboy's first interview here, very interesting and
Speaker 3: I would argue off to a better start in the
Speaker 3: coaching search that I could have ever imagined, because I
Speaker 3: thought it would be Ron Rivera and that type of thing.
Speaker 3: Nor if Robert Sala is a good candidate, or I
Speaker 3: just always associate Ron Rivera and North Turner together. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can see it. Let's get Jason in here for
Speaker 3: an interview too, just to you know, get the good
Speaker 3: old boys back together. I'd heard rich Basasia Basatchia thrown
Speaker 3: out there too, like the special teams coach for the
Speaker 3: backers now, but.
Speaker 4: He was our special teams coach here.
Speaker 2: For a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he would fit the mold of I need
Speaker 3: to have a coach who's not going to be around long.
Speaker 1: Okay, reset that Ben the coach did. I'm super excited
Speaker 1: about this. I saw Jane slay this and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: if you would just listen to this rock radio station,
Speaker 1: you would you would hear all of what's going on
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: It is weird. We're all over now.
Speaker 1: I my credibility is is not great because I was
Speaker 1: really certain that Belichick was in the mix.
Speaker 2: I missed on that. I swung and missed.
Speaker 3: But though, well, you know, if they didn't p foot around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and keep in mind that he made a decision
Speaker 4: before we got to the coaching vacancies, and he made
Speaker 4: that decision four days ago. The Cowboys were keeping McCarthy right,
Speaker 4: and so at this time maybe Jerry was disgruntled. But again,
Speaker 4: I had somebody tell me that Jerry and Belichick met.
Speaker 4: They told me the place they met, the time they met,
Speaker 4: and everything, and it was during the season. So I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, it's on, but it clearly wasn't. The
Speaker 4: Witten thing is my second attempt to swing for it.
Speaker 4: But Witton is you know, he has personally told me
Speaker 4: many years ago that his ultimate dream is to be
Speaker 4: the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. That's what he
Speaker 4: wants more than anything. And he said he had reams
Speaker 4: and reams of notebooks of plays he had drawn up
Speaker 4: and whatever. And so when we were kicking this around,
Speaker 4: we were like, well, you know, the thing I hadn't
Speaker 4: heard is that when people started reporting, hey, Whitten will
Speaker 4: probably be a part of the staff no matter what,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, so that means you do
Speaker 4: bring on And it seemed absurd, especially to some people saying, wait,
Speaker 4: you're gonna make him the head coach right away, that's
Speaker 4: his first job. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's also
Speaker 4: not super probable. Ideally you'd have him coach as the
Speaker 4: heir apparent under another coach. And so Jane was like,
Speaker 4: that may have been the plan to get McCarthy to
Speaker 4: stay for a couple of years and let Whitten be
Speaker 4: the air apparent.
Speaker 2: And maybe McCarthy's saying, Noah, I don't want that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the second that you tell McCarthy Jason Whitten
Speaker 4: is on your staff, we want you to do a
Speaker 4: two year deal.
Speaker 1: He knows what's up. He knows what's up. It has
Speaker 1: to go win a Super Bowl to keep his job.
Speaker 1: And he already ran off the air apparent. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: already did that once. Yeah, and so he's no one
Speaker 1: wants to be in that situation. And so we were
Speaker 1: kicking around, Hey, maybe the idea and we were just
Speaker 1: kind of freestyle and figuring this out on the fly,
Speaker 1: talking it out.
Speaker 2: Maybe the plan is to go get an.
Speaker 1: Older, re tread style coach who doesn't have a big, open,
Speaker 1: long window to just coach for a couple of years
Speaker 1: and mentor witting why Zimmer made sense.
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer doesn't make sense in that regard, and maybe
Speaker 3: he wants to come back. Robert Salah does not match that.
Speaker 3: But Robert sala is a defensive head coach who might
Speaker 3: be open to.
Speaker 2: The coordinator.
Speaker 1: Right, But also think about if all this is true
Speaker 1: in what we're hearing, you know, if you just start
Speaker 1: piecing together what Jane is saying and this little rumor
Speaker 1: we heard, and this over here and that over there,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that there's Steven, there's Will McClay, there's
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, There's all sorts of other people in the mix.
Speaker 1: And maybe they they they're not all in agreement. And
Speaker 1: so maybe it's Steven and Will McClay were like, let's
Speaker 1: go get an actual coach. Yeah, And maybe it's Jerry
Speaker 1: or someone else saying no, I want Whitten.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And why would honestly, I mean I could be wrong.
Speaker 4: Why would Robert sala be on Jerry's radar?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: He's that seems like a smart move, right, Yeah, But
Speaker 1: this is a tricky thing.
Speaker 2: How how do we get here with Sala?
Speaker 4: Well, because it's Will and Steven, yeah, And and see
Speaker 4: that's the other thing, is like, this is what I
Speaker 4: was talking about yesterday when we were talking about, well,
Speaker 4: who are the great offensive mines? Man? There's so many
Speaker 4: different ways all these coaches are connected. Like I see
Speaker 4: it all the time in the NBA. They're like, oh, dude,
Speaker 4: I'll give you an example. Uh, Devin was talking about
Speaker 4: h So Devon got traded to the Nuggets, right he
Speaker 4: was there for thirty games. He wanted to go back there,
Speaker 4: and the GM at the time was Devon's friend, and
Speaker 4: so he thought he was going back, but the coach
Speaker 4: wanted to go a different direction with that roster spot.
Speaker 3: You like, you never know how all these people are
Speaker 3: tied together. I mean, Sala's track records incredible. He's in
Speaker 3: the Shanahan coaching tree family. His best friend is Matt Leffluor,
Speaker 3: the coach of the Packers. His offensive coordinator was Matt
Speaker 3: Leffuur's brother, Mike Cliffloor with the Jets for a while
Speaker 3: until Rogers came in and brought his guys. They were
Speaker 3: a top five offense pretty much through any metric you
Speaker 3: want to find in his time there. He got fired
Speaker 3: because they were never top twenty five in offense. They
Speaker 3: couldn't get a quarterback, and then they brought Rogers in,
Speaker 3: and Rodgers pushed him out. Salad. Here could be as
Speaker 3: simple as Will McLay or Steven Jones texting I and
Speaker 3: Rappidport and saying, throw that name out there to combat
Speaker 3: the d on headlines.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, could be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but but he would fit the Witten thing
Speaker 1: at least a defensive guy.
Speaker 2: Witten's an offensive guy. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of amazed that not more people are
Speaker 3: talking about that. There aren't more people talking about the
Speaker 3: idea of this being held for two years and then
Speaker 3: Witten coming in or one year, and that's the whole things.
Speaker 3: Would Jerry fashtrak this thing and would Wit and take it?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 4: Here's the other thing I think about this. If this
Speaker 4: reporting is right, and this little thing that Ben and
Speaker 4: I heard today, if this is accurate, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean not again, it's all hearsay. Yeah, but we've talked
Speaker 4: all the time about Will McLay and man, it's what
Speaker 4: a gem. And how come he doesn't go somewhere else?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 4: If I'm sitting in a meeting and I'm trying to
Speaker 4: be serious about football and the owner goes, oh, I'll
Speaker 4: show you. I'm gonna interview Dion, I'd be like, man,
Speaker 4: I think it might be time to go somewhere else. Well,
Speaker 4: you can have this, Steven, let me know how it
Speaker 4: works out. Yeah right, Well it's like you can have it.
Speaker 3: He will have it eventually, probably, Yeah, they Dion's Another
Speaker 3: reason Dean's not realistic to me is Dion has a
Speaker 3: ton of coaches on his staff. Dude. Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 3: asked to trim the staff down a little bit. We'll
Speaker 3: save a little money, which is so sad, like they're
Speaker 3: just not He's not gonna change.
Speaker 2: I did. I did see that. I see.
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard any I'm not saying we were the
Speaker 1: first ones to have it. Probably were, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anyone else sing it prior to us
Speaker 1: talking about wit and being a serious candidate. In fact,
Speaker 1: I got killed for saying it on social media. I
Speaker 1: got killed. People are like, that's the dumbest thing I've
Speaker 1: ever heard. He's coming out of high school. Wait, what
Speaker 1: do you like? Shut up, take your owner pants off.
Speaker 4: Man. But Jordan Schultz had that, had that d note,
Speaker 4: he had witness top five candidate yetes go, yeah, go,
Speaker 4: this makes.
Speaker 1: Sense and so yeah, I the fan had this thing though.
Speaker 1: At some point in the last couple of days, I
Speaker 1: saw it on social media and it was they were
Speaker 1: interviewing Jerry Jones about Dan Campbell, and while answering a
Speaker 1: question about Dan Campbell, he started talking about what a
Speaker 1: great coach Jason Witten's going to be. Oh really, the
Speaker 1: tight end connection there, you know, took him right there.
Speaker 1: It's a former player tight end. It's a big you know,
Speaker 1: it's that intense player to culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well this is interesting because Witten is like, yeah, cowboy made,
Speaker 3: custom made here. But it's going to be fun for
Speaker 3: the names that come out to now go Jerry Steven
Speaker 3: and will serious candidates or entertainment and wouldn't probably to me,
Speaker 3: falls in between a serious head coaching candidate and a
Speaker 3: headline because he is. And it's not his fault that
Speaker 3: he's the headline guy. It's nothing about his coaching record.
Speaker 3: But that is sexy. It's way sexier than you're gonna hire,
Speaker 3: you're gonna bring in, you know, Kellen.
Speaker 2: I want to go back to this.
Speaker 4: I want to go back to all the reports two
Speaker 4: years ago that Jerry never wanted McCarthy in the first place,
Speaker 4: and and it was. It was a Stephen maybe a
Speaker 4: will thing, but it was a Stephen thing, if that,
Speaker 4: and there was a lot of that out there, there was,
Speaker 4: And if you believe that, don't you think Jerry's that
Speaker 4: they're going I did what you wanted to do.
Speaker 2: And look at this, this makes so much sense. I'm
Speaker 2: not buying it.
Speaker 4: And the last time he had this conversation with Steven,
Speaker 4: he said, what you gonna do?
Speaker 3: Hit me?
Speaker 2: And then he signed Deon for all that money. I
Speaker 2: believe it, dude, that's my favorite Jerry story. What you're
Speaker 2: gonna do? Hit me? Son? Pinning him against the wall.
Speaker 1: When was that Jordan Schultz article that came out Sunday night?
Speaker 1: How long have you heard me talk about witting as
Speaker 1: a head coaching kid? Ten years at least? Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you pre covid. I don't know that it's been
Speaker 1: anywhere else Prior to that. I wish I'd swing and
Speaker 1: missed on Belichick.
Speaker 3: It's not that you must missed on Belichick. It's at
Speaker 3: Belichick got really impatient or leave it right, college college
Speaker 3: job that he can leave if you want.
Speaker 1: If he was, yeah, now you have to buy him out.
Speaker 1: And you're already trying to get rid of coaching payroll cheap.
Speaker 1: They're not buying out anybody, but that would have been
Speaker 1: the perfect old man to hold it down and run
Speaker 1: the defense for witting.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's Zimmer Seriously, that'd be great, or maybe
Speaker 3: it's like, screw it, I'm doing what i want because
Speaker 3: I'm old. Here's Jason's job, which would be fun.
Speaker 4: I think it's just so interesting if all this is
Speaker 4: true about about yes, Steven and Will and Jerry over here.
Speaker 1: I believe it, though, yeah, this makes sense, are too
Speaker 1: good stuff. If we hear any more juicy rumors will
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