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<v Speaker 2>Here comes kt fun tweets were the round the sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's go around the sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Kt fun Tweets has all the sports.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hell yeah, let's go. It has been reported that

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<v Speaker 3>the Cowboys first you know, formal interview since the Dion buzz,

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<v Speaker 3>because really don't even know if the Dion thing was

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<v Speaker 3>even an interview. It was more like contact, A couple

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<v Speaker 3>guys holler at each other, talk about the good old days.

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<v Speaker 3>More likely a couple of marketers helping each other out.

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<v Speaker 3>That's probably what it was, although.

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<v Speaker 4>Should we say the super crazy rumor thing we heard

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<v Speaker 4>about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just sitting there thinking that, so we had

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<v Speaker 1>somebody had told us that they heard the irresponsible rumor,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're fine with the irresponsible rumors. That Will McClay, Steven,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jerry all got together to talk about ways they

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<v Speaker 1>could all improve and things they need to change and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>And the rumor was that that meeting did not go

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<v Speaker 1>over well with Jerry, so he went rogue and just

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<v Speaker 1>went and called Dion.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that would match what Jane Slater's been reporting that

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry's been going flying solo on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Really okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't see Jane say that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

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<v Speaker 3>That's based on phone calls that she's had and she's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not reporting this, just like it appears that Jerry's

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of doing his own thing right now.

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<v Speaker 4>And I feel like that would totally match what Jerry

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<v Speaker 4>said while they were showing him crying on land Man.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, I bought this team for me. I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>buy this for my kids. I'm hiring Dion all.

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<v Speaker 3>This kind of that that would check out, honestly. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea that Dion needs a new contractor is working

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<v Speaker 3>on a new contract at Colorado and a little rays

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<v Speaker 3>would make sense. Keep in mind this is a story

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<v Speaker 3>from twenty sixteen, but I do think it shows you

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<v Speaker 3>how close Dion and Jerry are of the years. Jalen

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<v Speaker 3>Ramsey was a big topic of discussion around here when

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<v Speaker 3>the Cowboys said the number four pick in the draft,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was like, is he a cornerback or is

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<v Speaker 3>he a safety? He talked to Dion. Dion loved Jalen

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<v Speaker 3>Ramsey because he went to Florida State. But the story,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know if it's true or not, that

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<v Speaker 3>Dion was like, he's more of a safety, yes, And

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<v Speaker 3>if you're gonna top five, you're gonna want to take

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<v Speaker 3>a corner, a log down corner, not a safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Zeke was the top player on the board.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyways, whether that's true or not that Deon said that,

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<v Speaker 4>I remember that being a story at the draft.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting now Jane said this last night, but basically

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<v Speaker 3>that Jerry is currently on a solo mission. No official

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<v Speaker 3>interviews or calls even place Tosi, and we learned today

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<v Speaker 3>that Robert Sala had been contacted. So Robert Sala, if

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<v Speaker 3>he is the Cowboy's first interview here, very interesting and

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<v Speaker 3>I would argue off to a better start in the

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<v Speaker 3>coaching search that I could have ever imagined, because I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it would be Ron Rivera and that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Nor if Robert Sala is a good candidate, or I

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<v Speaker 3>just always associate Ron Rivera and North Turner together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I can see it. Let's get Jason in here for

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<v Speaker 3>an interview too, just to you know, get the good

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<v Speaker 3>old boys back together. I'd heard rich Basasia Basatchia thrown

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<v Speaker 3>out there too, like the special teams coach for the

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<v Speaker 3>backers now, but.

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<v Speaker 4>He was our special teams coach here.

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<v Speaker 2>For a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he would fit the mold of I need

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<v Speaker 3>to have a coach who's not going to be around long.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, reset that Ben the coach did. I'm super excited

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<v Speaker 1>about this. I saw Jane slay this and I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>if you would just listen to this rock radio station,

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<v Speaker 1>you would you would hear all of what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>It is weird. We're all over now.

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<v Speaker 1>I my credibility is is not great because I was

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<v Speaker 1>really certain that Belichick was in the mix.

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<v Speaker 2>I missed on that. I swung and missed.

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<v Speaker 3>But though, well, you know, if they didn't p foot around.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and keep in mind that he made a decision

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<v Speaker 4>before we got to the coaching vacancies, and he made

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<v Speaker 4>that decision four days ago. The Cowboys were keeping McCarthy right,

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<v Speaker 4>and so at this time maybe Jerry was disgruntled. But again,

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<v Speaker 4>I had somebody tell me that Jerry and Belichick met.

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<v Speaker 4>They told me the place they met, the time they met,

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<v Speaker 4>and everything, and it was during the season. So I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, it's on, but it clearly wasn't. The

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<v Speaker 4>Witten thing is my second attempt to swing for it.

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<v Speaker 4>But Witton is you know, he has personally told me

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<v Speaker 4>many years ago that his ultimate dream is to be

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<v Speaker 4>the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. That's what he

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<v Speaker 4>wants more than anything. And he said he had reams

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<v Speaker 4>and reams of notebooks of plays he had drawn up

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<v Speaker 4>and whatever. And so when we were kicking this around,

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<v Speaker 4>we were like, well, you know, the thing I hadn't

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<v Speaker 4>heard is that when people started reporting, hey, Whitten will

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<v Speaker 4>probably be a part of the staff no matter what,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, okay, so that means you do

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<v Speaker 4>bring on And it seemed absurd, especially to some people saying, wait,

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna make him the head coach right away, that's

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<v Speaker 4>his first job. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's also

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<v Speaker 4>not super probable. Ideally you'd have him coach as the

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<v Speaker 4>heir apparent under another coach. And so Jane was like,

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<v Speaker 4>that may have been the plan to get McCarthy to

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<v Speaker 4>stay for a couple of years and let Whitten be

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<v Speaker 4>the air apparent.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe McCarthy's saying, Noah, I don't want that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because the second that you tell McCarthy Jason Whitten

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<v Speaker 4>is on your staff, we want you to do a

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<v Speaker 4>two year deal.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows what's up. He knows what's up. It has

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<v Speaker 1>to go win a Super Bowl to keep his job.

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<v Speaker 1>And he already ran off the air apparent. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>already did that once. Yeah, and so he's no one

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be in that situation. And so we were

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<v Speaker 1>kicking around, Hey, maybe the idea and we were just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of freestyle and figuring this out on the fly,

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<v Speaker 1>talking it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the plan is to go get an.

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<v Speaker 1>Older, re tread style coach who doesn't have a big, open,

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<v Speaker 1>long window to just coach for a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>and mentor witting why Zimmer made sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Zimmer doesn't make sense in that regard, and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he wants to come back. Robert Salah does not match that.

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<v Speaker 3>But Robert sala is a defensive head coach who might

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<v Speaker 3>be open to.

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<v Speaker 2>The coordinator.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But also think about if all this is true

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<v Speaker 1>in what we're hearing, you know, if you just start

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<v Speaker 1>piecing together what Jane is saying and this little rumor

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<v Speaker 1>we heard, and this over here and that over there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe that there's Steven, there's Will McClay, there's

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Jones, There's all sorts of other people in the mix.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe they they they're not all in agreement. And

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe it's Steven and Will McClay were like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>go get an actual coach. Yeah, And maybe it's Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>or someone else saying no, I want Whitten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And why would honestly, I mean I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would Robert sala be on Jerry's radar?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>He's that seems like a smart move, right, Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 1>this is a tricky thing.

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<v Speaker 2>How how do we get here with Sala?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, because it's Will and Steven, yeah, And and see

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<v Speaker 4>that's the other thing, is like, this is what I

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<v Speaker 4>was talking about yesterday when we were talking about, well,

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<v Speaker 4>who are the great offensive mines? Man? There's so many

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<v Speaker 4>different ways all these coaches are connected. Like I see

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<v Speaker 4>it all the time in the NBA. They're like, oh, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll give you an example. Uh, Devin was talking about

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<v Speaker 4>h So Devon got traded to the Nuggets, right he

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<v Speaker 4>was there for thirty games. He wanted to go back there,

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<v Speaker 4>so he thought he was going back, but the coach

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to go a different direction with that roster spot.

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<v Speaker 3>You like, you never know how all these people are

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<v Speaker 3>tied together. I mean, Sala's track records incredible. He's in

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<v Speaker 3>the Shanahan coaching tree family. His best friend is Matt Leffluor,

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<v Speaker 3>the coach of the Packers. His offensive coordinator was Matt

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<v Speaker 3>Leffuur's brother, Mike Cliffloor with the Jets for a while

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<v Speaker 3>until Rogers came in and brought his guys. They were

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<v Speaker 3>a top five offense pretty much through any metric you

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<v Speaker 3>want to find in his time there. He got fired

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<v Speaker 3>because they were never top twenty five in offense. They

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't get a quarterback, and then they brought Rogers in,

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<v Speaker 3>and Rodgers pushed him out. Salad. Here could be as

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<v Speaker 3>simple as Will McLay or Steven Jones texting I and

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<v Speaker 3>Rappidport and saying, throw that name out there to combat

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, but but he would fit the Witten thing

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<v Speaker 1>at least a defensive guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Witten's an offensive guy. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm kind of amazed that not more people are

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<v Speaker 3>talking about that. There aren't more people talking about the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of this being held for two years and then

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<v Speaker 3>Witten coming in or one year, and that's the whole things.

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<v Speaker 3>Would Jerry fashtrak this thing and would Wit and take it?

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<v Speaker 2>Here?

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the other thing I think about this. If this

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<v Speaker 4>reporting is right, and this little thing that Ben and

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<v Speaker 4>I heard today, if this is accurate, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean not again, it's all hearsay. Yeah, but we've talked

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<v Speaker 4>all the time about Will McLay and man, it's what

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<v Speaker 4>a gem. And how come he doesn't go somewhere else?

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<v Speaker 2>Dude?

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm sitting in a meeting and I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 4>be serious about football and the owner goes, oh, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>show you. I'm gonna interview Dion, I'd be like, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it might be time to go somewhere else. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>you can have this, Steven, let me know how it

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<v Speaker 4>works out. Yeah right, Well it's like you can have it.

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<v Speaker 3>He will have it eventually, probably, Yeah, they Dion's Another

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<v Speaker 3>reason Dean's not realistic to me is Dion has a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of coaches on his staff. Dude. Mike McCarthy was

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<v Speaker 3>asked to trim the staff down a little bit. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>save a little money, which is so sad, like they're

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<v Speaker 3>just not He's not gonna change.

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I did see that. I see.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't heard any I'm not saying we were the

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<v Speaker 1>first ones to have it. Probably were, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard anyone else sing it prior to us

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<v Speaker 1>talking about wit and being a serious candidate. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I got killed for saying it on social media. I

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<v Speaker 1>got killed. People are like, that's the dumbest thing I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard. He's coming out of high school. Wait, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you like? Shut up, take your owner pants off.

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<v Speaker 4>Man. But Jordan Schultz had that, had that d note,

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<v Speaker 4>he had witness top five candidate yetes go, yeah, go,

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<v Speaker 4>this makes.

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<v Speaker 1>Sense and so yeah, I the fan had this thing though.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point in the last couple of days, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it on social media and it was they were

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing Jerry Jones about Dan Campbell, and while answering a

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<v Speaker 1>question about Dan Campbell, he started talking about what a

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<v Speaker 1>great coach Jason Witten's going to be. Oh really, the

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<v Speaker 1>tight end connection there, you know, took him right there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a former player tight end. It's a big you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that intense player to culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well this is interesting because Witten is like, yeah, cowboy made,

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<v Speaker 3>custom made here. But it's going to be fun for

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<v Speaker 3>the names that come out to now go Jerry Steven

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<v Speaker 3>and will serious candidates or entertainment and wouldn't probably to me,

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<v Speaker 3>falls in between a serious head coaching candidate and a

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<v Speaker 3>headline because he is. And it's not his fault that

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<v Speaker 3>he's the headline guy. It's nothing about his coaching record.

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<v Speaker 3>But that is sexy. It's way sexier than you're gonna hire,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna bring in, you know, Kellen.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go back to this.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to go back to all the reports two

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<v Speaker 4>years ago that Jerry never wanted McCarthy in the first place,

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<v Speaker 4>and and it was. It was a Stephen maybe a

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<v Speaker 4>will thing, but it was a Stephen thing, if that,

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<v Speaker 4>and there was a lot of that out there, there was,

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<v Speaker 4>And if you believe that, don't you think Jerry's that

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<v Speaker 4>they're going I did what you wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And look at this, this makes so much sense. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not buying it.

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<v Speaker 4>And the last time he had this conversation with Steven,

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<v Speaker 4>he said, what you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 3>Hit me?

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<v Speaker 2>And then he signed Deon for all that money. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe it, dude, that's my favorite Jerry story. What you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do? Hit me? Son? Pinning him against the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>When was that Jordan Schultz article that came out Sunday night?

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<v Speaker 1>How long have you heard me talk about witting as

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<v Speaker 1>a head coaching kid? Ten years at least? Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you pre covid. I don't know that it's been

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere else Prior to that. I wish I'd swing and

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<v Speaker 1>missed on Belichick.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that you must missed on Belichick. It's at

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<v Speaker 3>Belichick got really impatient or leave it right, college college

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<v Speaker 3>job that he can leave if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>If he was, yeah, now you have to buy him out.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're already trying to get rid of coaching payroll cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not buying out anybody, but that would have been

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect old man to hold it down and run

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<v Speaker 1>the defense for witting.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe it's Zimmer Seriously, that'd be great, or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, screw it, I'm doing what i want because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm old. Here's Jason's job, which would be fun.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's just so interesting if all this is

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<v Speaker 4>true about about yes, Steven and Will and Jerry over here.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it, though, yeah, this makes sense, are too

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff. If we hear any more juicy rumors will

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<v Speaker 1>pop in, break in and uh and bring it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, this is a place where you get a

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<v Speaker 1>little Metallica and you get all the latest greatest cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>talk all in one station.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody wins.