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<v Speaker 1>with that said, a lot happening. It looks like we're

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<v Speaker 1>building quite a big presence in the Gulf and in

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<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean UH to possibly attack Iran. The protests kind

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<v Speaker 1>of spiked up a little bit over the last week again,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've kind of seemed to have simmered down for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part. Internet is still spotty coming in and

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<v Speaker 1>out of your own Where does this go? There's talk

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<v Speaker 1>now that there's there's a bit of negotiation going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like we're trying to fold into nuclear talks

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Where are we at with this? Make You Go?

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<v Speaker 2>First readings from the city of Bozeman, Montana, where we're

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<v Speaker 2>about to kick off one month of tackle training at

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<v Speaker 2>Lowbo Institute here and we're in sorts of snow. It

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be fifty degrees. That's not good for

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<v Speaker 2>when a warfare training.

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<v Speaker 1>We have plenty of that. Come to New York, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>we have plenty of that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to have to get telicopters to fly

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<v Speaker 2>as the only way we can do this is on altitude, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so it's going to be a challenge, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it is what it is. So on Auran we have,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, massive build up. We have multiple aircraft

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<v Speaker 2>carrier strike groups. Concluding right, I think it's mass for

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<v Speaker 2>the mountain chain in Oman right now, which is smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus every time I turn around there's another destroyer. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure where are they're all coming from, but those

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<v Speaker 2>can be significant when it comes to guided missiles of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and the air capacity just keeps flowing and flowing and flowing.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're definitely headed toward something, right, So what the

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<v Speaker 2>off What could be the off ramps? It would be

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<v Speaker 2>to earnestly start negotiations in a new nuclear agreement that

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<v Speaker 2>goes beyond just a nuclear agreement but also includes ballistic

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<v Speaker 2>missile programs and proxy for support. That is what I

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<v Speaker 2>think the administration is requiring. They've been requiring that since

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<v Speaker 2>the first administration, and I think it's legit at least

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<v Speaker 2>to want to address all those From what I'm hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>Iran might be able to accept some kind of restrictions

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<v Speaker 2>on proxies, but won't un ballistic missiles because they consider

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<v Speaker 2>that like their only real defense. So and everything else

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard is essentially this isn't going to go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>So if it's not, if it's not, let's hope we're wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I always hope that the Wellmacy ruled the day that

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<v Speaker 2>I can't see the US, the White House not taking

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<v Speaker 2>some form of military action. Right there's a huge build

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<v Speaker 2>up if they can't get even an agreement and principle

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<v Speaker 2>to have a new JCPOA if you will, that they

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<v Speaker 2>are closer to on the Trump ADMINSTRATIONE. I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>think this will just end and that we'll just turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and go home. So then the question is one,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the objective? Is it simply to degrade the

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear program? Further, is it regime change, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should probably have a whole section about

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<v Speaker 2>the likelihood of whether you can do regime change. From

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<v Speaker 2>the air, would say that would be incredibly difficult. The

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<v Speaker 2>geography of her on it's almost four times the size

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<v Speaker 2>of a rock, if you want to compare that when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to us, you know, past conflicts, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>got about ninety million people, so more than half more

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<v Speaker 2>than double a rock. The geography's mountainous. It is designed

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<v Speaker 2>to sustain. It's primarily the regime's primary purpose is to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain the regime, so it has all these power centers.

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<v Speaker 2>The supreme leader is basically just holds them together. Even

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<v Speaker 2>if he was taken out. All those power centers are

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<v Speaker 2>not only invested in continuation, they're literally would be toast

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<v Speaker 2>if they didn't maintain it right. There's simply no way

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<v Speaker 2>to get all the leaders out of the country, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to be difficult to do even if

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<v Speaker 2>you did a ground invasion, which would be insane, but

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<v Speaker 2>from the air, very few if you think about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one saidam Air at least for a rock

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<v Speaker 2>obviously didn't change regime. There's many examples, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think there will be a serious for regime change, but

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<v Speaker 2>they could, you know, support the protesters because if anything

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<v Speaker 2>is going to change your regime, it's going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to come from within. I just don't know how much

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<v Speaker 2>you can do to support just by hitting security infrastructure

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<v Speaker 2>or like irgc de siege. And then there's the issue

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'll stop here and throw it over to

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<v Speaker 2>Andy for comments on all the above. But there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of concern that the Iranians will see mine the

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<v Speaker 2>straits of her moods, right, so that could cause major

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<v Speaker 2>disruption and energy supplies. It would also really affect them.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't in fact, the United States as much as

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<v Speaker 2>other countries though, quite frankly, because we just don't get

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<v Speaker 2>as much oil from there. And then there's this discussion

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<v Speaker 2>that I think is legitimate about whether the US could

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<v Speaker 2>do some kind of blockade. Legitimate in the sense that

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's actually being discussed. I don't know, be

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<v Speaker 2>frank how effective it would be, but it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like looking at Venezuela, which is not a real model

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<v Speaker 2>for a ROD, but you know, we remove the leadership

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<v Speaker 2>and now we're doing enable blocking. Or I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>being considered at least for I don't know how effective

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<v Speaker 2>it would be, but that's uh, that's where I think

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<v Speaker 2>the summary is of what I've discussed this week and

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<v Speaker 2>what I've been told.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, yeah, I I agree with everything MIX said.

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<v Speaker 3>The one thing, there's a couple of things that have

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<v Speaker 3>really complicated this and and of course I would say

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<v Speaker 3>none of no regional leaders here in the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 3>no or or seem confident about what is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>But a couple of things. One is, first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>and both of these happenings I'm not I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 3>are linked to or and even trying to interpret them

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<v Speaker 3>correctly or interpret them at all. If I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to interpret them, presumably it would be correctly anyway. So

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<v Speaker 3>Number one, diplomatic diplomatic negotiations efforts have not ceased, and

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<v Speaker 3>fact they seem to have ramped up. Which makes me

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<v Speaker 3>think that while I agree with Mick that there needs

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<v Speaker 3>to be action at some point because or there will

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<v Speaker 3>be action at some point, because I can't see the

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<v Speaker 3>Iranians being able to compromise on some key issues right.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the meantime, Trump seems to be up playing

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<v Speaker 3>the role of Erdowan. He's calling him a problem solver, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and Dawan has reached out to Iran and is offering

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<v Speaker 3>to negotiate. It's interesting that it is Turkey doing this,

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<v Speaker 3>and Trump seems to have confidence in Dauwan based on

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<v Speaker 3>based on Erduwan's Yeah, I'm not saying he was successful

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<v Speaker 3>in doing this, but his ability negotiate previously between Algelani

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<v Speaker 3>or Alshira whatever we're calling him now and yes and

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<v Speaker 3>the sd fright and uh so, so he's giving him prisident.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's giving other one credit for that and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like he's giving him a shot to negotiate

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<v Speaker 3>before things go further as far as strikes are concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>But to mixed point, we don't know how receptive and

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<v Speaker 3>ran it's going to be, you know, Sertenly, the rant's

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<v Speaker 3>showing those signs in their rhetoric of being willing to

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<v Speaker 3>negotiate their threatening regional war if the United States strikes

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<v Speaker 3>and there and various other dire threats and and uh

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<v Speaker 3>when I think about why would they do that, the

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<v Speaker 3>only thing I can think is maybe it's an effort

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<v Speaker 3>to portray this as at first it's a show of strength,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe false strength, paper Tiger. But the other thing is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we talked about this too, that Iran seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be I won't say on the verge of toppling

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<v Speaker 3>the administration, because it's far from that. But certainly these

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrations that have occurred are more serious, more in debt,

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<v Speaker 3>had been put down with greater brutality than previous protestation protest.

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<v Speaker 3>So it looks as though maybe this is an effort

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<v Speaker 3>to rally the country and behind, you know, towards an

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<v Speaker 3>external enemy. That may be why Iran's ramping up the rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 3>I can see no other rational reason to do it, so,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. But but the thing is, and we'll see

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<v Speaker 3>once reached out to them, we haven't seen whether Iran

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<v Speaker 3>is receptible or not. There's there's probably three things that

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<v Speaker 3>this but there's three problematic areas. There's four if you

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<v Speaker 3>count the protests, right, and you've count the brutality which

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<v Speaker 3>with which the the Uranians put down the protest. But

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<v Speaker 3>as far as points to negotiate on, there's the nuclear issue,

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<v Speaker 3>right the I think, you know, I think it's open source.

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<v Speaker 3>It is open source now that the bomb damage assessments

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<v Speaker 3>on Ista, the Tarns and for Doux are not as

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<v Speaker 3>stick now as as they appeared, you know, right after

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<v Speaker 3>the strikes, and that either the Iranians were very quick

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<v Speaker 3>at turning around and starting to build their capability again,

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<v Speaker 3>or the damage wasn't as bad as we thought. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So so there's that, right, How ensuring that that Iran

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<v Speaker 3>steps back from its plans to to create to build

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<v Speaker 3>a nuclear weapon. Potentially that's the point of negotiation. Potentially

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<v Speaker 3>Turkey could offer to take the enriched uranium that the

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<v Speaker 3>that Iran has and and store it in Turkey in

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<v Speaker 3>return for and I'm on the finash of my technical

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<v Speaker 3>technical ability here, but remember the deal with Russia, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Russia was going to do this back in twenty ten

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<v Speaker 3>in return for rich uranium, I mean a non non

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<v Speaker 3>weaponizable uranium that that could could help her oun't build

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<v Speaker 3>a civilia a civil nuclear capability. Okay, I haven't worded

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<v Speaker 3>that very well. But do you understand giving up weaponized

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<v Speaker 3>uranium in return for assistance with with with the civil

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear capability? Okay? That potentially a compromise point number two

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<v Speaker 3>on the proxies. Well, there isn't. Actually, it's really really

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<v Speaker 3>difficult to enforce. If Ron says, oh yeah, we'll step

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<v Speaker 3>back from bolstering the huthi's his boller. They could agree

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<v Speaker 3>to do that, whether the US would would honor that

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<v Speaker 3>concession or even give it credibility. I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's certainly something in the Uranians could agree to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And as we know, you know, his Bolla is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of on the ropes anyway, and and it seems as

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<v Speaker 3>though the Huthis two have died down in their activities,

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<v Speaker 3>so maybe maybe Iran would be happy to do that

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<v Speaker 3>in order to focus on getting a firmer grip back

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<v Speaker 3>at home. But the third point, which would be reduction

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<v Speaker 3>compromising at all, can you make? I mean, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the that's the most difficult one for them.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, yeah, I mean, that's the long poll. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's an essential component of Iran's defense network, and

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have the ability to rapidly regenerate that that capability,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're actually down, you know, I know, estimates of

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<v Speaker 3>be entirely accurate, But a lot of what is left

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<v Speaker 3>are liquid fuel ballistic missiles, which means that who you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if they do launch an attack the US or Israel, whoever,

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<v Speaker 3>the and the region are going to get a far longer,

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<v Speaker 3>greater warning. Right as far as repercussions agree. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>do isn't launch missiles, ballistic missiles and drones from the

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<v Speaker 3>missile batteries, agus cruisers and all and the like, you

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<v Speaker 3>So two things, though, are a real threat. One is

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<v Speaker 3>the threat from proxies uh and specifically the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Shia militias in Iran in particular, always a threat

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<v Speaker 3>and the flashtip bang that they attack US bases is

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<v Speaker 3>mines in the Gulf. And last single levial Mick, what

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<v Speaker 3>do you are you tracking these explosions in Iran itself?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've got a question about that this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any details.

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<v Speaker 2>Like four or five in multiple different cities, and the

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<v Speaker 2>regimes all blame and a want gas leaks and just

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<v Speaker 2>by you know, statistics. It's likely not all gas leaks,

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<v Speaker 2>so that could be preparation. It's common for FASIAD the agency,

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<v Speaker 2>to have that task. It doesn't necessarily do much in

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<v Speaker 2>and of itself, but it kind of creates a situation

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<v Speaker 2>where the regimes scrambling around the supporters feel like there's

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<v Speaker 2>something happening. It looks organic. I don't know one way

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<v Speaker 2>could be basically preparation for what's to come, which would

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it is interesting, and there is there is

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<v Speaker 3>an Israeli unit whose mission is to do that sort

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<v Speaker 3>it's feasible and and and to the you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Iranian regimes claims that these are gas leaks. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you remember, back in July, on a single day back

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<v Speaker 3>in July, there were four incidents in throughout Tehran, one

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<v Speaker 3>in calm one in a place called Karaj, one in Tehran,

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't remember the fourth one. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was an island in the gulf in the Straight of

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<v Speaker 3>hor moves explosions, right, And the one in the Straight

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<v Speaker 3>of hor Moos was a really big one that destroyed

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<v Speaker 3>reportedly two hundred stores. Although that's how you know, what

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<v Speaker 3>does that mean? How big those But that sounds like

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<v Speaker 3>a big explosion. And in Bandura, Bass and the entire

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<v Speaker 3>shopping mall the later there's a big mega mall burned down,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the Uranian government at the time said it

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<v Speaker 3>was due to technical failures and the explosion of gas

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<v Speaker 3>cylinders or poor maintenance. I mean, it seemed pretty ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>So now they're claiming to come.

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<v Speaker 2>They're concerned that it looks like they're losing control, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the purpose of the operation. So that's this

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<v Speaker 2>could be very much be the case. I would uh

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<v Speaker 2>another conversation, I had, you know, to present both sides

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, you know, on the US use of force.

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<v Speaker 2>The person I was talking to said, oh, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>either the Uranians can agree to adjust their nuclear ambitious,

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<v Speaker 2>holistic most missile program proxies, or we can do it

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<v Speaker 2>for right, So, is this going to be a thing

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<v Speaker 2>that every time we think that they're going ahead with

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<v Speaker 2>a nuclear weapon, And let's be fair, they have four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty one kilograms of enriched uranium to sixty percent,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no reason I have sixty percent. They're almost in

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<v Speaker 2>the perfectly wrong spot. It's not for civilian purposes, and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have a nuclear weapon. So from regene endurance,

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<v Speaker 2>ivan the you know, the middle ground is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>a smart move, but this one can mact the argument

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<v Speaker 2>that we're just going to mow the grass and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure they never get there. And the same thing with

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<v Speaker 2>the ballistic missile probe. Every time they start rebuilding it,

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<v Speaker 2>which they are, it happens again. So from a practical purpose,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's one of the views inside the White House

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<v Speaker 2>right now. And the other part is you can say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's unlikely that you're going to actually change your regime.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's fair probably the intelligence segment assessment. And

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<v Speaker 2>then even if you do change the regime, whether it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be more favorable to the United States. I think those

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<v Speaker 2>are both totally legitimate questions. The person I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to said, well, probably worth rolling the dice. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a gambler, you roll the dice. You don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's going to be better or worse the same,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know there's a chance, I guess. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's the way you should make, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>major policies, decisions on war and peace. But I guess

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<v Speaker 2>there is certainly a line of thought that it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>I think has a danger is game to start playing with,

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<v Speaker 2>even with despotic regimes like arod Ah. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously there's different views inside the government, and we don't

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the that's a I think you're right that the

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<v Speaker 3>mowing the grass scenario seems the most likely. And I

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<v Speaker 3>noticed that that our administration has kind of backed down

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<v Speaker 3>from discussions of regime change. Though it's hard to tell,

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<v Speaker 3>and I forget where, and I forget exactly when, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's in the last couple of days, seemed quite very

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<v Speaker 3>h you know, he was pointing out all the problems

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<v Speaker 3>that you just did, obviously with regime change. And as

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about on this show, you know, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to have a viable opposition to come into place, and

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<v Speaker 3>that just isn't that isn't in place right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, speaking as a layman, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>rolling the dice in terms of destabilizing an entire region

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<v Speaker 1>by decapitation strikes or whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to take out the regime in Iran is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy. Is batshit insane to me? A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times before this we've to do air strikes or even

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<v Speaker 1>talk about regime change. We were like in at the UN.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure we might have been lying to the UN about

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<v Speaker 1>anthrax and you know nine to eleven being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>connected to Iraq uh, but we would build up a coalition,

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<v Speaker 1>we would do the things that you know, do we

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<v Speaker 1>take certain steps before we'd start bombing a place another

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<v Speaker 1>country to you know, to hopefully maybe get some regime change.

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<v Speaker 1>And even if it isn't a regime we don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's okay, Like I would think we would

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<v Speaker 1>be operating on more of a more certainty than this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be completely real, honest, Yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Good point, very good point. Hopefully that's not how we're

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<v Speaker 2>deciding on you know, major strategic policy decisions. Gossip backfire, right.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not the only country that can decide that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good policy, right, right, Yeah, I decide to

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<v Speaker 2>right that we just go around taking on leaders. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>the way Iran is configured, like most regimes like this,

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<v Speaker 2>their primary purpose is to stay in power. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>to like promote the interests of the Ranian people. So

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<v Speaker 2>they're designed to withstand not only a direct ground invasion, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the besiege forces, like it's over a million people, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really designed to be very like autonomous, separate units

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<v Speaker 2>that can fight on well passed an actual conventional military invasion,

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<v Speaker 2>and the power centers and it's all tied to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be very difficult, I think, to facilitate

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<v Speaker 2>a regime change.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think, yeah, they come to the only wild

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<v Speaker 3>card would be taking out the supreme leader, and there

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<v Speaker 3>you're on, You're on shaky honestly, I mean international law,

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<v Speaker 3>the decapitation strikes, going after actually killing the head of

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<v Speaker 3>the state as a a big deal. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>whether that would be an obstacle for us, but perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>more importantly, Yeah, its mixed, pointed out, you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what comes next, and there is no like the may

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<v Speaker 3>just need to just wait he's going and and the

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<v Speaker 3>point is that it mixed entirely, right, Yeah, the republic idea, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>the Revolutionary Guard and the besiege have the they'll they'll

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<v Speaker 3>have you know, they'll be there's there's a transition plan

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<v Speaker 3>in every case. And and as we talked about the hole

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<v Speaker 3>that the I g r C has on the Iranian

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<v Speaker 3>just the country itself is multifaceted. It's economic and its military.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it goes deep into the the roots of

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<v Speaker 3>the the fabric of the country itself. You don't you

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<v Speaker 3>don't topple it by simply killing one or two people.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's gonna be interesting. The you know, the Turks,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Turks haven't got up. I mean they remember,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, the Turks backed Algilani who overthrew the overthrew Asad,

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<v Speaker 3>who is Iran's Iran's a man in Syria, and so

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<v Speaker 3>they were on bad terms then. But it does look

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<v Speaker 3>as though the Turks of being trying to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>reach what they have been reaching out to the Iranian

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<v Speaker 3>side during all the protests. I believe it was other

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<v Speaker 3>one what might have been, as Foreign Minister said commented

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<v Speaker 3>publicly that there is that that was it was really

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<v Speaker 3>influenced behind the protests, you know, which kind of played

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<v Speaker 1>So one question, I have a question, what does what

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<v Speaker 1>does our Turkey get out to do with this? Like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how do they benefit?

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<v Speaker 2>They like to be viewed as like one of the leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, quite frankly in the Muslim world, and I

420
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<v Speaker 2>think part of trying to get that kind of mantle

421
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<v Speaker 2>now is being directly involved in negotiations to avoid conflict

422
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<v Speaker 2>or in conflict. You see a guitar, it's Turkey, you know,

423
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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza for example. Other than that, maybe favor favored

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<v Speaker 2>status within the Trump administration, but it's kind of one

425
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<v Speaker 2>and the same. It's just really presenting your country as

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<v Speaker 2>a leader in that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's only why, just to like show like, hey, we're statesmen,

428
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<v Speaker 1>we can we have influence in the region.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a big deal for Iruwan to be seen as

430
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<v Speaker 3>being a major states from the international stage. I mean,

431
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 3>his country's economy is in shite state, partly because of

432
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.880
<v Speaker 3>his policies. He has thousands of dissidents in prison. There

433
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<v Speaker 3>is trouble bubbling in Turkey, but the Turks are are

434
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:38.400
<v Speaker 3>naturally quite nationalistic. That's an understatement. And so again on

435
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 3>the world stage, being able to see their leader take

436
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.000
<v Speaker 3>a prominent position as a huge deal. That's number one.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Number two is you know there's always been I mean

438
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<v Speaker 3>this all regional rivalry, right, it's all it's like nineteenth

439
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 3>century Europe. That's really like Middle East now is there

440
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.200
<v Speaker 3>are no friends, there are only interests. And so you

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<v Speaker 3>see this shifting dynamic. And UH, and Turkey would like

442
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.240
<v Speaker 3>to be seen as being to go to negotiating in place,

443
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.079
<v Speaker 3>for instance, Saudi Arabia and in this and in this

444
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 3>particular particular instance, you know, the Saudi's UAE, the Qataris

445
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:23.200
<v Speaker 3>are all unified and advising President Trump not to strike Iran.

446
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<v Speaker 3>You know, I say they they and Uh and and

447
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 3>so it is Dawan that Trump has reached out to

448
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.599
<v Speaker 3>to to kind of issue to do this negotiation and

449
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 3>issue the warnings. And another one likes that, you know, yes,

450
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:42.799
<v Speaker 3>makes him feel as chopped.

451
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was yesterday or the day before,

452
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<v Speaker 1>there was some like uh talk coming out of like

453
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<v Speaker 1>Saudi Arabia saying like kind of going back on that,

454
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<v Speaker 1>like being like, oh yeah, maybe we should you should

455
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>hit Iran too. I don't know if it's just like

456
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<v Speaker 1>different factions within the kingdom that are.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it was NBS his brother, who's the defense cost Yeah,

458
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<v Speaker 3>in DC talking to members of the think tank in

459
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<v Speaker 3>a you know, it was a I mean, it was

460
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<v Speaker 3>open to journalists, so it wasn't as though they were

461
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<v Speaker 3>trying to hide anything. And he he made the comment,

462
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<v Speaker 3>and it may have been taken out of context that

463
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<v Speaker 3>if the United States didn't strike Iran there would be

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<v Speaker 3>a problem of losing credibility. And again this might have

465
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<v Speaker 3>been taken out of context. He might have said, hey,

466
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<v Speaker 3>listen all that, you know, I understand that the United

467
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<v Speaker 3>States might lose credibility because you built up forces in

468
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<v Speaker 3>the region. And he might have then gone on to say,

469
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<v Speaker 3>but because you know, the Saudis haven't said, oh no, no,

470
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<v Speaker 3>that's not the case. They haven't done anything to repudiate

471
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<v Speaker 3>repudiate what he said. And I think it's it might

472
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<v Speaker 3>be the Western media that's saying that it's a directly

473
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<v Speaker 3>opposed to what NBS is saying, which is, hey, this

474
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<v Speaker 3>isn't going to be in the best interests of the

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<v Speaker 3>region to strike Kuran.

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<v Speaker 1>And also Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry no, I was just going to say, it did

478
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<v Speaker 2>seem like a change. Like all the reporting before was

479
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<v Speaker 2>that Saudi Arabia didn't want to see military action against Iran,

480
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<v Speaker 2>which is why I think this got so much attention.

481
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 2>But it could be what Andy said. He could say, well,

482
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<v Speaker 2>now that we're here, right that we the US built

483
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.559
<v Speaker 2>up this huge military presence, I can see why it

484
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>would be difficult not to use. It doesn't necessarily mean

485
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<v Speaker 2>he thinks or more importantly, Saudi thinks it would be

486
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>a good idea. I just don't know. But if you

487
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<v Speaker 2>look at the reports, it seems to be contradictive of

488
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 2>our contradictory of what they had originally.

489
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<v Speaker 3>But the media loves doing that, you know what I mean?

490
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<v Speaker 3>That makes the story right.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I mean another like Saudi Arabia did are saying

492
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.799
<v Speaker 1>there like the US is not allowed to use their

493
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<v Speaker 1>airspace if there is an attack on your own.

494
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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

495
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Turkey said the same thing too, interestingly, so does Cutter,

496
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 1>and I get it. They don't want to get but

497
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>let's take my sills far down their soil. And also,

498
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.079
<v Speaker 1>don't we have a deal with cutter now we do?

499
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 3>We do?

500
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Right, A newly minted one. Last that happened after the

501
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>last enhanced enhanced.

502
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 2>So there's you've got NATO of course, and you have

503
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>major non NATO allied status. I don't know how many

504
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>countries are in that, but now like Qatar has enhanced

505
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>major non NATO allied status with this. It's an executive

506
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 2>order though, so they probably realized that, okay, one the

507
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.759
<v Speaker 2>president can change his mind. Yeah, it's simply you know,

508
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:47.079
<v Speaker 2>the president drawing a promise to him, you know, for himself.

509
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>So they probably realized that although it's better than not having,

510
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to last beyond

511
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 2>President Trump's administration or even that you know.

512
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<v Speaker 1>That's the case.

513
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't have to. There's no it's not a treaty.

514
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:03.920
<v Speaker 2>That's the point.

515
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, uh So what happens next? What do you guys,

516
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Let's do some speculation, that's always fun. What happens next?

517
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Does it happen? Are we waiting for the full moon?

518
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>For no moon? So Jay Sock can go in and

519
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.559
<v Speaker 1>snatch the supreme leader. What are we doing?

520
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I imagine that they're actually briefing President now on courses

521
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>of action. Again, maybe a decision brief. It's it's because

522
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>the assets are in place, and then if he decides

523
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 2>to go ahead, then then from the process it goes

524
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 2>back to the Defense Department and then of course the

525
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Central Command, and then it's then there's all sorts of

526
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.839
<v Speaker 2>other consideration and when it will happen. Right, they might

527
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 2>want to, you know, just like we did in Venezuela.

528
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Not to say that there are any work comparable, but

529
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.599
<v Speaker 2>we send planes that way. We see how they react,

530
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>we see where their defenses are, we see how they

531
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.119
<v Speaker 2>scramble planes. We might start doing that. The weather and

532
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff plays apart. It's over to the military

533
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>at that point to pick the ideal time based on

534
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>non political issues, right, stuff that's more in line with

535
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>being most advantageous for the military, and then we'll see.

536
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how long we give them to decide

537
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 2>whether they're going to come to the negotiation table, but

538
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 2>everything I've seen is they've kind of poot pooed even

539
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:29.240
<v Speaker 2>doing it. They be in the running regime so I

540
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know what would stop it from happening now unless

541
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 2>we just pulled off, and that seems unlikely.

542
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I'm gonna agree with Mick. I think

543
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:46.400
<v Speaker 3>that the target, you know, the most practical courts of action.

544
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Of course I'm not, you know, I'm not even when

545
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.519
<v Speaker 3>I was in the uniform, I wouldn't be in the

546
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.799
<v Speaker 3>decision it's based on this, But most practical courts of

547
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:55.599
<v Speaker 3>action would seem to be to go off to the

548
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 3>nuclear facilities to to continuously degrade them, and also to

549
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 3>degrade the Iranian inventory blistic missiles, because that would be

550
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 3>those two things. And and aired efense, you know what

551
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.039
<v Speaker 3>they have left at their head offense because they were

552
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 3>the Russians are the only one who ones who are

553
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 3>resupplying with air defense. So those those three things could

554
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 3>you could achieve really, you know, I'm not saying you're

555
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:32.400
<v Speaker 3>going to achieve are overwhelming, decisive effects permanent, but you're

556
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 3>certainly going to be able to achieve significant effects in

557
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 3>those three areas rather than if you go after you know,

558
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 3>members of the regime of administration, in which case the

559
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 3>repercussions may as we put as we pointed out, maybe

560
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 3>may come back and buy you things that I think

561
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:58.199
<v Speaker 3>are possible too, but probably won't happen, you know, covert action.

562
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Mix the expert on this, but it's always it's always

563
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.360
<v Speaker 3>a possibility. But I think we would work through partners

564
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:11.880
<v Speaker 3>if we did that COVID action, particular partner in the

565
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 3>region who is already involved in those things in Iran.

566
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<v Speaker 3>I would guess, and again I'm speculating here, i'd have

567
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 3>any access to knowledge, and if I did, I wouldn't

568
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 3>share it, But I would guess that COVID action within

569
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<v Speaker 3>Iran continues to be problematic for US United States for

570
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.079
<v Speaker 3>a number of reasons. You know, it's a high risk

571
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's just an area that would be tough.

572
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 3>I think, make feel free to jump in.

573
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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I don't know, Just like Andy, I wouldn't

574
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<v Speaker 2>say if I did, But I mean, I wouldn't talk

575
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:46.159
<v Speaker 2>about it if I had, and I don't have any

576
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>access to it. So what I would say about COVID

577
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.719
<v Speaker 2>action is it works best if it's in conjunction with

578
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:55.480
<v Speaker 2>an overall strategy. Oftentimes, at least the agent feels like

579
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.679
<v Speaker 2>if they can't figure it out diplomacy, diplomatically, they can't

580
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>figure it out militarily, They just the age you'd say,

581
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>good luck, it's it's a dumpster fire, and then like,

582
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:05.519
<v Speaker 2>how is that a place to start?

583
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Right?

584
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 2>It should be like supporting diplomacy, economics, military action and

585
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.280
<v Speaker 2>covert actions should just be a part of that, not

586
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the the solution to most problems. So if we do

587
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 2>go forward, I would guess there is definitely a component

588
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.480
<v Speaker 2>to that that is enhancing for what the overall strategy is.

589
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. I don't know that for sure.

590
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>We already talked about potential sabotage operations and then sometimes

591
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes we're better at doing something sometimes our

592
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>partner countries are, so.

593
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>We can say Israel, yeah, yeah, of.

594
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Course Israel, right, So they obviously have focus nine percent

595
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 2>of their efforts on or on or their proxies. So

596
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and we cover the world, so but we can can

597
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 2>help them as well. I think we'll see action over

598
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the next week probably if this is going to happen,

599
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.119
<v Speaker 2>and we'll see indications to be frank, because this would

600
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>be you know, they still probably want to withdraw non

601
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.039
<v Speaker 2>essential personnel from like Alu Daid like we did last time,

602
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.599
<v Speaker 2>So you'll see a flow. Obviously the military we wouldn't

603
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>want to give those indicators. But there's only so much

604
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.039
<v Speaker 2>they could cover, right, I think you will see potentially.

605
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh there's another issue. That's this blockade again that the

606
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 2>US is discussing. There's some concern that it could actually

607
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 2>trigger the conflict. So we're putting naval assets in place,

608
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>they're doing naval exercises around the straits of horror moods.

609
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they stopped, they rescheduled, they.

610
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Did whatever they rescheduled it, right, So that's that probably

611
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 2>was because of that concern there we're going to be

612
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.880
<v Speaker 2>in direct proximity. One thing happens, and you know, ah,

613
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that's that that makes the decision for US rather than

614
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the commander chief maker.

615
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 1>But I believe they have tentative, a tentative exercise schedule

616
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.559
<v Speaker 1>with Russia and China out in the Indian Ocean for

617
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.199
<v Speaker 1>like a month from for like a few weeks from now.

618
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 1>But it's tentative, so I don't know if it's going

619
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 1>to go down then.

620
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Of course, another issue in this is like what is

621
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:20.760
<v Speaker 2>rural congress plays, right, So these limited military engagements, the

622
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.159
<v Speaker 2>White House will argue doesn't trigger the War Powers Act.

623
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Right.

624
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.719
<v Speaker 2>But if you have a near continuous limited military engagements,

625
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<v Speaker 2>one could argue like, well, it's yeah, I guess taken individually,

626
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<v Speaker 2>they're limited. But now it seems to be the force

627
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<v Speaker 2>of our diplomacy seems to be led by force.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I was for the strikes in Iran on

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear facility, and I was for the apprehension of Madua.

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<v Speaker 2>So not that that matters, but that I would say

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a legitimate discussion of can you is

633
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<v Speaker 2>congressional approval and participation only when it lasts beyond sixty days?

634
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<v Speaker 2>Or when does Congress say you can't just go from

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<v Speaker 2>country to country Venezuela and Nigeria, Arah, and you know,

636
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<v Speaker 2>whatever's next and not trigger the congressional part of the Constitution.

637
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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to decorational war, I don't know if

638
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<v Speaker 2>that's ever going to be resolved. Doesn't seem like the

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Courts willing to weigh in in a very legitimate

640
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<v Speaker 2>way on the War Powers Act, And what is the

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<v Speaker 2>lanes of the road between Congress and the Chief Executive.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's become a mood point sadly, I mean sadly,

643
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<v Speaker 3>regardless of the administration, because the intent of the Warpalas

644
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Act was to was to rebalance the constitution. Right, so

645
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<v Speaker 3>there was a genuine check on the executive when it

646
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<v Speaker 3>came to military adventurism overseas. And yes that is that's

647
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<v Speaker 3>the role of Congress, but it's become a political football.

648
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<v Speaker 3>So if one party has holds both chambers, they're going

649
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<v Speaker 3>to make it difficult for the executive to to you know,

650
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<v Speaker 3>to to go to war or or take military action.

651
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<v Speaker 3>But if he but if the executive, if you know,

652
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<v Speaker 3>the same party is in parent in both chambers, or

653
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<v Speaker 3>it's dominant in the Senate in particular, and it's the

654
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<v Speaker 3>same party as the president, then you're going to see

655
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<v Speaker 3>a very less safe their attitude towards allowing the executive

656
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<v Speaker 3>to do what he wants. It's not the intent of

657
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<v Speaker 3>the you know, here am I divining the constitution, But

658
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<v Speaker 3>that's not the intent of checks and balances, right. The

659
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<v Speaker 3>intent was that the perseperience that that whoever holds the

660
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<v Speaker 3>purse strings, which is Congress, is a genuine check to

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<v Speaker 3>prevent the president taking the country into to war basically

662
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<v Speaker 3>and committing American soldiers to war without without the say

663
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<v Speaker 3>so of elected representatives. That's the intent, and the Supreme

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<v Speaker 3>Court was supposed to be the arbiter on that. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when gray areas have arisen, But as Mix

666
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<v Speaker 3>pointed out, that hasn't happened, you know, I mean we continued.

667
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yes, I know, Iraq and Afghanistan were different

668
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<v Speaker 3>because we were operating under an AUMF but authorized usimilitary force.

669
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<v Speaker 3>But there was never any concerted effort to revise that

670
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:42.519
<v Speaker 3>AUMF right, and it just continued and coninued and continued.

671
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<v Speaker 3>And that's part of the problem why we ended up

672
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<v Speaker 3>in Afghanistan. I think one of the reasons, one of

673
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<v Speaker 3>the many reasons why we lost our way in Afghanistan

674
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<v Speaker 3>because there wasn't a sufficient congressional oversight to demand what

675
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<v Speaker 3>exactly is our strategy and all the effort that we're

676
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<v Speaker 3>putting in, how we how are we how is it

677
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<v Speaker 3>aligned with a coherent policy? Rotation off the rotation. The

678
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<v Speaker 3>great efforts that we saw on the ground at the

679
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 3>tactical level evaporated because they didn't align with the coherent policy.

680
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<v Speaker 3>And that should have been a congressional role to ensure

681
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<v Speaker 3>that happened. But it didn't happen. And everyone, you know,

682
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 3>when when Kabul fell or everyone to point the finger

683
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 3>at each other. It became a political football too. But

684
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<v Speaker 3>the book bottom line is, I'm not arguing from the

685
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 3>point of view by the party. I'm just saying Congress

686
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.840
<v Speaker 3>didn't do what it was supposed to do over the

687
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<v Speaker 3>course of twenty years.

688
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we kept expanding a UMF. Right, So then

689
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<v Speaker 2>they gave us a reason to be and yeah, man

690
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<v Speaker 2>in Somalia, Syria, right, any any continuation that had to

691
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:55.760
<v Speaker 2>do with al Qaeda, isis, et cetera became It became

692
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<v Speaker 2>like an endless approval for Congress. And I'm not saying

693
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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't have fought in those places, don't get me wrong.

694
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<v Speaker 2>But from a constitutional structural perspective, what is I think

695
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<v Speaker 2>the I think the answer of American people is it

696
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<v Speaker 2>looks like they're just not gonna do their constitutional role.

697
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<v Speaker 3>Congressome Yeah, I mean it's supposed to deliberate. But when

698
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:18.760
<v Speaker 3>when so small, when you have an all volunteer force

699
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 3>representing such a small percentage of the average legislators constituent constituents, right,

700
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, who's writing letters saying, hey, why is my

701
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<v Speaker 3>sunnel daughter in X place? It's it's a tiny minority,

702
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.360
<v Speaker 3>tiny minority. And so you know, if I'm not I'm

703
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<v Speaker 3>not suggesting we should have the Trump but Trent, that's

704
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<v Speaker 3>you know, Vietnam. That's why it was such a big

705
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<v Speaker 3>issue because because of course, yeah, I mean it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't see anywhere near the level of protest the

707
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<v Speaker 2>last twenty years of the jewop then you did, you know,

708
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<v Speaker 2>because it had direct impact on everybody, regardless of their

709
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<v Speaker 2>position on the world work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Also, most of the most of the families of

711
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<v Speaker 1>folks who are deployed over the last twenty years probably

712
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<v Speaker 1>weren't massive campaign donors either, So who's really going to

713
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<v Speaker 1>fucking listen to them?

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<v Speaker 2>And I also don't want to. I mean, even if

715
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<v Speaker 2>you oppose the war, I think families would be a

716
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<v Speaker 2>little hesitants, be too vocal when they're child volunteered to

717
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<v Speaker 2>be in the you know what I mean, So especially

718
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<v Speaker 2>if you joined. Yeah, a good point. I mean, if

719
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying to bring back the draft, but I

720
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<v Speaker 2>think we can all agree that if we had a draft,

721
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<v Speaker 2>military adventurism would probably a subside quite a bit. Yeah,

722
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<v Speaker 2>certainly when it comes to introducing ground forces.

723
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<v Speaker 3>And you could have a you know, you could have

724
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<v Speaker 3>a non military national service aspect of it, like the

725
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<v Speaker 3>GERM instead and you you know, post of the things

726
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<v Speaker 3>would happen like Brooklyn would be clean, I mean, and

727
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<v Speaker 3>you sensitive just that sense of national nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Nowhere out of nowhere. Yeah, it's anti Brooklyn rhetoric. That's unacceptable.

729
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<v Speaker 1>Don't don't they aren't they using the aa U m

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<v Speaker 1>F to justify what they're doing with the U the

731
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<v Speaker 1>drug boats in the Caribbean and Pacific and also what

732
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<v Speaker 1>happened in Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 2>The rhetoric, I don't. Yeah, there's no connection between al

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<v Speaker 2>Qaida that I could think of the drug card.

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<v Speaker 1>But isn't that the reason why they Isn't that why

736
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<v Speaker 1>they organization? But then they call them like uh narco

737
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<v Speaker 1>terrorist organizations and they change the wording for them to

738
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<v Speaker 1>like make it seem like, yeah, no, we could do this,

739
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<v Speaker 1>this is okay, this is not against.

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<v Speaker 2>The designate them by foreign teriors. Organization right under their authorities.

741
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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't give you right to use meltzer actions. It's basically

742
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:54.639
<v Speaker 2>like sanctions and banking and travel or something. Right, it

743
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.719
<v Speaker 2>sounds the same. It sounds the same right as aof

744
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and foreign terrorist organizations. Sure, but it's it's not I

745
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 2>don't think legally.

746
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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk real quick about what's going on in Syria.

747
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<v Speaker 1>You know SDF and uh Alfshara forces or the you

748
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:16.280
<v Speaker 1>know Syrian government forces are clashing. Uh, another place where

749
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<v Speaker 1>Turkey has a lot of sway. Uh. Just a quick

750
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 1>rundown on what's what's up there? How's it looking? Because

751
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.960
<v Speaker 1>there was some talk about there being like they were

752
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<v Speaker 1>going to figure it out, they were gonna came to

753
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.559
<v Speaker 1>some kind of some kind of piece or some kind

754
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of deal, and it seems to have unraveled a little bit.

755
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<v Speaker 2>A bit, I mean, just the background. Obviously, this has

756
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 2>been contentious between the United States and Turkey for the

757
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.599
<v Speaker 2>entirety of the Defeat Iceis campaign and named durant ifew

758
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<v Speaker 2>devices because the US has been paired with the SDO

759
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<v Speaker 2>whose primary leadership Corps at ypg WI, the which the

760
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<v Speaker 2>Church to leave is too connected to the p k K,

761
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<v Speaker 2>a foreign terrorist organization. But the US, particularly the Defense

762
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<v Speaker 2>Department and the Agency, seen that they were the most

763
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<v Speaker 2>effective partner. They fought alongside the United States, sometimes well

764
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<v Speaker 2>beyond what they would have really needed to protect themselves,

765
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<v Speaker 2>and did most of the fighting to dieing against ISIS,

766
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<v Speaker 2>which benefited the world. Where there's an eighty country coalition

767
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>and those are the country coalitions to those of the well,

768
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<v Speaker 2>it's they both Arab and kurd to be fair, inside

769
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<v Speaker 2>of the STF, it's just that the leadership is prime

770
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<v Speaker 2>predominantly Kurdish. But you know, eighty eighty country coalition, Yes,

771
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.199
<v Speaker 2>you did most of the fighting, right, So I think

772
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<v Speaker 2>I personally think uh, and I know them a lot

773
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<v Speaker 2>to be To be upfront, we owe them to be

774
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<v Speaker 2>their partner in in advocating for them in a future series.

775
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying we should advocate for the Rahava concept

776
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<v Speaker 2>and they're completely autonomous and all that stuff, but they

777
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<v Speaker 2>they I think earned the right of the United States

778
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<v Speaker 2>to be an advocate with the El Shara interim government

779
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<v Speaker 2>so that they're in a good place and isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>good place. I'm not saying we should be totally biased

781
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<v Speaker 2>toward them, but I think a lot of them feel

782
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 2>like we're essentially abandoned, and that's happened before. It causes

783
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of tension with the Special Operations community, who

784
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 2>has spent a lot of times a lot of time,

785
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.960
<v Speaker 2>particularly the army side of that, and with the agency

786
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 2>because they have been exceptional partners when it came to

787
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>on the ground biting. And I think that's something that

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that we can keep in mind that every

789
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<v Speaker 2>every international engagement isn't purely transactional. There has to be

790
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>some loyalty to partners and allies or they're not never

791
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 2>going to be that toward us. Again, there's a practical

792
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<v Speaker 2>reason too, in addition to just ethical. I know we

793
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't have much time at the end, but this could

794
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<v Speaker 2>this could come back next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew, No, I mean I agree, tell you, mac I

796
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<v Speaker 3>wrote an article back in twenty nineteen. She was an

797
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 3>interview with MSNBC and which which when when we were

798
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<v Speaker 3>first talking about pulling out of Syria right and leaving

799
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<v Speaker 3>the SDF to the mercy of the Turks, Like may

800
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<v Speaker 3>I feel quite strongly about standing by our allies the

801
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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm not just saying that in a vague term,

802
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 3>we turned our back. Historically, we haven't been very good

803
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<v Speaker 3>at standing by the groups who who don't represent foreign

804
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 3>sovereign countries but have done the lion's share of the

805
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.559
<v Speaker 3>fighting against our enemies. You know, you go back all

806
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<v Speaker 3>the way to Vietnam and the Montagnards and and not

807
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<v Speaker 3>just the Montagnyards, but various other ethnic groups within Cambodi,

808
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<v Speaker 3>Alaos and Vietnam and then in in the you know,

809
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<v Speaker 3>the kind of ISSIS campaign was the success that it

810
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<v Speaker 3>was because we had a capable ground fighting force and

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<v Speaker 3>we collectively defeated ISIS at the incredibly low cost when

812
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<v Speaker 3>it comes to casualties. It was the antithesis of Afghanistan

813
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<v Speaker 3>where we flailed around and lost, and that was thanks

814
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<v Speaker 3>to the SDF. Yes, they were in it for themselves,

815
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<v Speaker 3>of course, but but it was a good partnership and

816
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<v Speaker 3>and actually it was a partnership based on trust. You know,

817
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<v Speaker 3>we had teams in there. The US soft community are

818
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<v Speaker 3>very small teams working with their SDF, coordinating fire support

819
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<v Speaker 3>totally at that mercy, were totally beholden to them for

820
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<v Speaker 3>protection and they never let us down. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel pretty strongly about us turning our backs on them

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<v Speaker 3>in any in any way, whether it's with the Syrian

823
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<v Speaker 3>regime or with the Turks.

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<v Speaker 1>Right anything else. Guys, it's pretty good, pretty solid. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Milburn, great new article about what's going on, uh

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<v Speaker 1>with the urban warfare in Gaza down in the description

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote that for one of the Rocks. That link

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<v Speaker 1>is there as well. And he's got a great book

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<v Speaker 1>When the Tempest gathers. I'm still waiting for Mick to

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<v Speaker 1>write his book. I'm very excit. I can't wait for that. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, Patreon doc Yeah, Patreon dot com, Slashi team

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<v Speaker 1>House please one more.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The summit that's coming up. So it's called the Montana

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<v Speaker 2>Intellivision Summit. It's going to be in down the Lobo's

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<v Speaker 2>head headquartered in Whitefish. Hopefully we'll get the whole podcast

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<v Speaker 2>team out there. It will change to the white Fish

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<v Speaker 2>Security Summit this year, but it's the same thing, same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope to make it a place where it will

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<v Speaker 2>probably remain the special operations intel heavy, but it will

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<v Speaker 2>include policy and everything that goes into national security. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot to do in Whitefish biased but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's going to be excellent, and we hope to

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<v Speaker 2>make it an annual thing with this new group we're attached.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that link is also in the descriptions. Check it

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<v Speaker 1>out there if you want to go for tickets and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's on the that's just speaking, perfect location, and

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with your decision. Meant to shift that from Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 3>not just because the activities that you can pursue in

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<v Speaker 3>Brooklyn are quite a different level, but the Brooklyn Intelligent

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<v Speaker 3>Summit is well in Oxymoron, so I believable.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just faming. You're defaming the great Borough of Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's frankly disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>It is disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks guys, As always, check us out. The links ever

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<v Speaker 1>for everything is in the description. We'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye hey, guys, I want to tell all of you

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<v Speaker 4>today about a new newsletter that we're launching that encompasses

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<v Speaker 4>both the team House podcast, the eyes On podcast, and

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<v Speaker 4>the high Side News outlet which I run with Sean Naylor.

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<v Speaker 4>The newsletter is going to be once a week. It's

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<v Speaker 4>going to come into your inbox and you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>get the most current podcasts on eyes On and the

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<v Speaker 4>Teamhouse and whatever's topical or current on the high side.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's another way for us to get the information

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<v Speaker 4>out to you as social media algorithms are pretty iffy

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<v Speaker 4>and you never really know what you're gonna get. So

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<v Speaker 4>this is a once a week email. It'll slide into

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<v Speaker 4>your inbox and it will have you know the greatest

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<v Speaker 4>hits of that week.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really good Dan checking it out.

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<v Speaker 4>The website for it is team House Podcast dot kit

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<v Speaker 4>slash join.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>You go there and you enter into your email list

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<v Speaker 4>or you enter your email into the little thing on

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<v Speaker 4>the website and you're good to go, and that'll be it.

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<v Speaker 4>So we really appreciate your support and I hope you'll

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<v Speaker 4>consider signing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's the link.

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<v Speaker 4>The link will also be down the description if you're

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<v Speaker 4>looking for it there, and that's Teamhouse Podcast, dot Kit,

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