WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:01.600 What is up? 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:05.960 Fellasiko's I Am Dana Valley coming at you with mister 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:11.759 Mike Sure of Basketball Poetry, a favorite around these parts 4 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:15.480 who we reference on many of shows. Follow him on 5 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:19.480 the social machines at bee Ball is poetry spelled exactly 6 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:20.920 as it sounds. I love when I get to do 7 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:22.320 that and I don't have to sit here and spell 8 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.280 it out. Be ball is poetry. Go follow him. Mike's 9 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:28.320 work is fantastic. You go find the link to subscribe 10 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:32.719 to Basketball's Poetry in the YouTube and podcast descriptions. I highly, 11 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.920 highly highly recommend his work, especially if you're listening to 12 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.560 this podcast. We're here to do a breakout candidates for 13 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.719 twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven NBA Draft. But first 14 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:45.399 the question that I'm sure the masses are dying to 15 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:49.039 know the answer to, Mike, how has it been since 16 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:49.920 we last caught up? 17 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.079 I guess like probably this time last year. 18 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.240 Around Yeah, yeah, we last time we'd spoke was last summer, 19 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:56.399 a little later in the summer, and. 20 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:57.679 I'd say it was pretty good. I thought it was 21 00:00:57.679 --> 00:00:58.759 a pretty fun NBA year. 22 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.159 I think it's been a fantastic NBA offseason. I'm sure 23 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:08.760 you have no complaints with how the season unfolded, So yeah. 24 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:07.359 I have one come. 25 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.840 I mean I could complain like James Dolan is wrong 26 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:14.159 Fait the second Aprin, but that's just that's just me. Yeah, 27 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:16.959 I have zero zero, I guess complaints from within the 28 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:17.920 last year for sure. 29 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:18.799 Uh. 30 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.400 I'm excited to do the Breakout Candidate's Draft with you. 31 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.120 We did Hidden Gems last year and this is kind 32 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:26.680 of along the same lines. We're not just selecting the 33 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.200 biggest breakout candidate names, but guys that were interested in 34 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.280 for a variety of reasons. I did want to ask 35 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:35.959 you though, before we actually dug in, was there anything 36 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.599 to just your approach of this, Like what makes a 37 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.719 we don't know who the other is gonna pick. There's 38 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:42.640 a huge pool of players. I think it ended up 39 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.040 being like fifty something players. But what was your what 40 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.799 attracts you to someone as a breakout Canada? Like, what 41 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.640 is what's that factor that really makes you glom onto them? 42 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:52.200 Yeah? 43 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:54.519 I think that the most interesting players are the one 44 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.599 for whom the context around them changes dramatically, and that 45 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.280 can be as small and that could be as dramatic 46 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:05.280 as changing teams entirely to just like having change in 47 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.400 teammates to having a new coach, Like I'm looking for 48 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.960 places where guys are suddenly going to have new opportunities 49 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:12.639 that might not have been there before. I think that's 50 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:15.680 that was sort of like my guiding principle, But it's not. 51 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:17.439 There's no hard and fast rules. Right when you think 52 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:19.719 about breakouts, there's several levels to it. It could be guys 53 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:22.240 who are end of the rotation struggling to stay in 54 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.240 the league becoming steady contributors. It could be eighth men 55 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:28.360 becoming fifth men. It could be you know, like low 56 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:30.599 level starters becoming quasi all star. 57 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.919 Like there's a whole like, you know, there's a whole. 58 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.199 Different set of groupings for all these and I think 59 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:37.520 that I try to pick a couple guys from all 60 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:38.639 of them. 61 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.560 I opportunity is something that I think they'll have anyway, 62 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.719 is something that I weigh more than anything. But I 63 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.759 have one or two guys on my list where it's 64 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:51.000 I just believe in them, and the circumstances aren't really 65 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:54.479 the environment, the pecking order aren't really set up for 66 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.039 them to maybe necessarily have the convention for people to. 67 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:58.280 See it coming a mile away. 68 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.280 But I think they're going to become under and that 69 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:04.240 might be irrational a little bit, Like that's the part 70 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.520 where I struggle, because opportunity is such a huge part 71 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.159 of it unless you think that a player is like 72 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.159 maybe they have a new coach and they're gonna play 73 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:13.919 them more and so like the roles and technically there 74 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.240 but oh or wouldn't have been there previously, but they're 75 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.479 about to get it. There is an element for me 76 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:19.919 the where I try and why do I feel like 77 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:23.879 this player is undeniable? And that's very rarely the case. 78 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.800 I think that environment plays a huge part in not 79 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.000 just the development but the actual opportunity they're getting. But 80 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.599 I try to I try to spot someone that I 81 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:34.599 think is going to become undeniable, and anyone who listens 82 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:36.159 to this podcast knows I have at least one of them, 83 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:38.479 mostly if they come up during this draft though. 84 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.319 Yeah, I mean your initial pool was fifty or you know, 85 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.039 the pool is like fifty plus players that are going 86 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:44.240 to become undeniable next year. 87 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.560 I'm excited about that. Well, a lot to talk about it. 88 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:47.240 If that's the case. 89 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.800 Yeah, we're gonna get through every single one. We're gonna 90 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.599 go through every single player, but we are gonna do 91 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:58.639 We're gonna do lottery style, so each makes seven picks. Mike, 92 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.479 you have the first. So with the first pick in 93 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.319 the twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven breakout Player Draft, 94 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:05.319 who will you be taking? 95 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.039 Well, I wanted to start with one of maybe the 96 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.319 bigger names of my personal list, and that is a 97 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:16.519 certain Minnesota Timberwolf who goes by Jaden McDaniels, Jade mcdale. 98 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.240 A lot of the guys on this list, Skew Younger, 99 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:20.480 h Jaye. McDaniels is a vet at this point. You know, 100 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:22.160 he's been in the league for six years, I think, 101 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:24.639 but I just think that like he has a chance 102 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:26.519 to really break out in a real way this year. 103 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:28.879 His scoring has gone up almost every year of his career. 104 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.639 We know the defense is elite, although I will say 105 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:33.480 that last year was a little discouraging that regard because 106 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:35.800 he kind of reverted back to his worst fouling tendencies. 107 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.120 The three point percentage, you know, rose dramatically last year, 108 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.480 even though the volume is limited. But every year it 109 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.839 feels like he rises to the playoff occasion, right, Like 110 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.839 he gets a little bit better in the playoffs every 111 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:49.519 single season except for that one year where he like 112 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:50.720 punched a wall and broke his hand. 113 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:51.800 We'll leave that one aside. 114 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.480 And now, like you're swapping out basically Julius Randall for 115 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:56.680 LaMelo Ball in. 116 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:57.920 The starting lineup around him. 117 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.000 That's such an improvement in past singing, in spacing, and 118 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:02.680 I think that's gonna really play to his strengths because 119 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.279 he's like a fantastic finisher. The Wolves have always played 120 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.079 kind of slow, and I think he could be a 121 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:10.000 monster in transition. You just he never gets out in transition, 122 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:11.879 and I think having Ball on the team with him, 123 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:13.360 I think I would assume Mo being on the team 124 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.279 with him, Like they're gonna play a lot faster than 125 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:17.160 they usually do. And I think you're gonna see McDaniel's 126 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.360 turn into this like monster in the open court. I 127 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:22.439 think if the shooting touch is real, like he doesn't 128 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.000 have to put up a huge volume, but I think 129 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.240 that like it can be sort of Aaron Gordon esque, 130 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:27.759 where like if you're just hitting enough of them, even 131 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.600 on smaller volume, then like people have to respect that, right. 132 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:33.000 And I just think the Wolves in general are gonna 133 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.439 be super fun. I think they're gonna be super different. 134 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:37.279 I think that the Lamello injection, if he can stay healthy, 135 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.000 is going to just change the way they look and feel. 136 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.040 And I think that McDaniels is gonna be able to 137 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.439 absorb some of this finishing and playmaking duties from Randall 138 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.519 and just put up numbers that people that might surprise 139 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:49.319 people like I don't think it's out of the realm 140 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.279 possibility that he's like an eighteen point per game scorer 141 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:53.399 next year while still being an elite defender. 142 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:58.800 That's interesting because his offense. If we rewound the clock 143 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.319 like three years ago, I never would have predicted that 144 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:03.040 he's done as much with the ball in his hands 145 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.120 as he as he has at this stage. I also 146 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:10.199 do wonder, yes, none of the none of the players 147 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:12.120 on this roster feel like they have as much tunnel 148 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.199 vision as a Julius Randall on the ball, But I 149 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:16.639 do worry about him maybe getting lost in the shuffle 150 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.519 of and Anthony Edwards LaMelo and I would assume move 151 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:23.040 being there my bigger question because I want in theory, 152 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:25.240 I love this and I want to love it. But 153 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.639 I was digging into the lineup data for Jade McDaniels, 154 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.720 like a few weeks ago at the four, and it's like, 155 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:31.680 if the plan is to play him at power forward, 156 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:34.279 I'm very curious to see how it pans out, because 157 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.560 the data on that was one sparse just because they 158 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.800 haven't done it a ton and two wasn't that great. 159 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.920 And so I would think, offensively, do you think him 160 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.759 playing at the four more would actually help Unlocked, because 161 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:49.439 right now he has to He's not gonna have a choice. 162 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:51.639 He's gonna play at the four more, right, Yeah. 163 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:53.439 Yeah, yeah, I think it is going to help. 164 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:55.040 And I think it's the combination of him being at 165 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:57.120 the four, with LaMelo being at the one and at 166 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:58.959 the two, and obviously Io at the three. 167 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.639 I think there's just there's one more shooting in. 168 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.519 There's a lot more pace to this roster in a 169 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.480 way that think is going to really benefit the Wolves. 170 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:05.600 As a whole. 171 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:09.160 And McDaniel's specifically like Dosumu is basically like a cannonball, 172 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:10.639 right Like he gets out there, he's running down the 173 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:11.439 court as fast as he can. 174 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.360 LaMelo is one of the best hit a head passers 175 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:13.759 in the league. 176 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:17.480 And I think, like people, people I think have a 177 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.079 somewhat unfair opinion Lavel like people know he's a good passer, 178 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:22.040 and yet I think he's also viewed as sort of 179 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:23.720 like a ball hog, if that makes sense. You know, 180 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.399 Like I think people are worried about like his decision 181 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:28.519 making stuff like that. I don't think that's ever been 182 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.360 as a big deal in practice as people think. I 183 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.480 think there are some high profile moments where like he 184 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.360 takes you know, his one foot falling down three pointer 185 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.040 after seventeen crossovers, if you're like, this guy just doesn't 186 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:39.839 get it. And I don't really think that's true for 187 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:41.600 the other ninety nine percent of the game. And so 188 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:43.279 I think that like he is going to have like 189 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.639 a rising tie lifts all boats kind of thing for 190 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:49.199 some of the supporting characters on this team. And you know, conversely, 191 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.759 we'll see what happens with the Hornets without LaMelo ball 192 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:53.519 to be there to stir the drink, which that's a 193 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.199 different situation in question. But but I do think that 194 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:57.639 like McDaniel's to me, is a guy who has a 195 00:07:57.680 --> 00:07:59.319 lot of talents that he's never been able to unlock. 196 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:00.800 I do think he's going to be great in transition. 197 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:01.480 I do think he's great. 198 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:03.160 He is great around the rim, it's just been really 199 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:04.560 hard for him to get there when he's always been 200 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.240 playing small forward and as power forward. 201 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:07.600 I think it's just me a lot easier for him 202 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:08.040 to get there. 203 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.240 And every year his handle gets a little better, he 204 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.639 gets a little more confident attacking off the dribble. I 205 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:14.360 just I think things are prime for him to have 206 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:16.839 a big year. I think the risks are there's just 207 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:18.959 a lot of mouths on the Wolves to feed, right, 208 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.319 and I think that like it might just be that, like, 209 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:24.800 even if the offense is what it is, if they 210 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:26.879 just get crushed on the boards too bad, or if 211 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.160 McDaniels can't hold up playing power forward, there's a risk 212 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:30.839 that they can't play him in a way that is 213 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.320 optimal for him offensively. But I so I totally hear 214 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:37.200 you in that reguard. But I am optimistic that this 215 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:40.000 is going to be a big time upgrade for him overall. 216 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:44.360 I if he levels up, like within the context of 217 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:46.840 this team, I don't know if people understand how huge 218 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.799 that will be, because he's already so good, like offensively 219 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:51.679 just as a player, and so I didn't have him 220 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:53.600 on my initial list. So I found that to be 221 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:55.399 a fascinating pick, and I'll root for it because I'm 222 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.120 one mellow ball truther, so I'm very much a Wolves 223 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.840 fan this season. I need to be vindicatd and I 224 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.240 I what you were saying, for the most parts is 225 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.320 music to my years. About LaMelo is I think a 226 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:05.960 lot of the stuff I think it's fair. A lot 227 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:08.840 of the Christmas is fair. I also think last year 228 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:10.759 was the first season that we got to see him 229 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.399 on a real team for an extended period of time 230 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.039 and left a bad taste our mouths with the way 231 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:16.799 they went out in the play in. And I don't 232 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.799 think I will not be suckered into man I lie, 233 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:21.360 I probably will be. I won't be suckered into the 234 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.519 early season rim frequency that he's delivered in the past, 235 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:26.519 and then it just kind of tapers off. So there 236 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.320 are real problems there. But I loved the swing by them. 237 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:31.799 I'm gonna go, oh, go ahead. 238 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:32.879 No, I agree. 239 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.919 I just I think Ball is like gonna be It's 240 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:37.720 there's gonna be a lot more consensus now about who 241 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:38.600 Ball is as a player. 242 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:39.799 Right like right now it's split. 243 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:41.799 He's very polarizing as a player, and I think after 244 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:43.360 this year we're gonna have a much better idea of 245 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.320 like how good how much he can really impact winning 246 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:45.840 at a high level. 247 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.559 So I'm excited for that. I'm always excited for answers 248 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:49.559 to questions, are you. 249 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.440 Excited to talk about low hanging fruit here? With the 250 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:56.080 second pick in the drift absolutely of the San Antonio Spurs. 251 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:58.960 I bolded him when we were going through this first. 252 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:01.039 I'm not sure if he's in the spe of this exercise, 253 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.799 but I would say that this is someone who if 254 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:06.440 you considered him a rookie breakout, it would not shock 255 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:10.039 me if we're having a Dylan Harper All Star conversation 256 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.799 this year. A lot of that is going to depend 257 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.200 on will they start him, And the answer is they 258 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.279 better like Deannon Fox can still be in this to 259 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.600 just do it, Like I'm kind of he is that good. 260 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:22.360 I do have questions, but I think the defense for 261 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.039 a rookie, especially when some of the moments he had 262 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:25.279 in the. 263 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:27.519 Postseason was absolutely monstrous. 264 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:31.720 His ability to just generate from scratch rim pressure, whether 265 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:34.679 it's he has a head start or he's working from 266 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.960 a dead stop. I did not see anything like that coming. 267 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.840 And this is someone who doesn't pay as much attention 268 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.240 to college basketball. I am a little concerned, but I 269 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:46.919 think he's going to get better when you look at 270 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.120 a lot of the turnover data when Fox is not 271 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:50.519 on the court for him, I think that's why Danreon 272 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:53.639 Fox is still important to the Spurs. Generally worse for 273 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:56.399 Steph Castle than is Dylan Harper, but like the Spurs 274 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:58.559 were turning the ball over every five seconds in the 275 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:02.159 playoffs when Dylan Harper on the court without Darren Fox. 276 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:06.159 And I had two other questions about his offense. Specifically, 277 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:08.480 I think he's a better passer than even we've seen. 278 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.240 I think that he's just gonna give him more pick 279 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.000 and roll reps. It won't just be stuff that maybe 280 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.600 he's working out of drives. My two big questions were 281 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.240 does he have a pull up jumper? Because I also 282 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.240 thought that's why Darn Fox was important to work for 283 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.279 that in between range. After the playoffs, the answer to 284 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:25.120 me is yes, his effective field goal percentage on pull 285 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:27.720 up jumpers increased by more than ten percentage points in 286 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:30.679 the playoffs. Like that just doesn't happen for a rookie 287 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.399 like to have that type of jump. My other question 288 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.120 is will the three ball be a viable weapon and 289 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:39.320 I'm less sure there. The percentages on his you know, 290 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:42.000 stand still looks in the regular season were fine, sub 291 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.240 thirty one percent on catch and shoot looks in the playoffs. 292 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:46.279 How much of that is he was he was kind 293 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.480 of playing a higher usage role at points. So given 294 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.399 the Spurs still needs shooting, his development as an overall 295 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.960 shooter or someone who can shoot off the bounce is 296 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:57.639 going to be big. 297 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:01.120 But this is just someone who the tunity should be there. 298 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:03.399 But if you think that, if that the Spurs won't 299 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.519 begin the season starting him, this is a situation where 300 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.759 to me, he's gonna become undeniable and need to be 301 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.120 in there, whether you're running small and that you're trying 302 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.600 to play with Fox Castle and Harper more of those 303 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.519 minutes just from the jump, he is so good. And 304 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.519 this is like Grant, my co host, was all over this. 305 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.240 Like coming into the draft, I wasn't not a Daling 306 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:25.320 Harper guy, but it wasn't just someone I thought was 307 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.120 gonna be, oh, this will be an all NBA guy 308 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:30.480 and what we saw as a rookie, No, like this 309 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:32.639 is an all NBA guy. And for anyone who wanted 310 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:35.559 the Spurs to make more fireworks, over the summer. The 311 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:38.240 firework might just be, well, we're gonna let dealing Harper 312 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:40.480 marinate and go kaboom. 313 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.879 Yeah, so I'm in basically total agreement. 314 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.240 I think the Fox question is so interesting because like 315 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.480 you do in theory, need a guy who's a better 316 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:52.360 shooter on the on the court, right at the guard position, 317 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:53.440 you do in theory you need a guy who's a 318 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.080 little more careful of the ball. But then you look 319 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:59.120 at the numbers and the lineup data for Harper, Castle 320 00:12:59.159 --> 00:12:59.759 and women now it. 321 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.399 Together without Fox, Okay, with Fox off in. 322 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:04.840 About four hundred possessions, super small sample size, but we're 323 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.559 gonna talk about it anyway. Plus forty two net raining 324 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:09.480 forty two good. 325 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:10.879 That's not bad. 326 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:16.679 I mean that's like so much better than the best 327 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.600 rating that's ever been recorded in NBA history over bigger 328 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.279 sample size. Obviously, it's crazy, and that means that it's 329 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.559 something you have to explore further. Obviously wouldn't be a 330 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.399 plus forty two forever, right, But like that tells me. 331 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.600 And the hilarious thing is like their one hundred percent 332 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:32.159 tile on offense and also one hundred percent tile on defense, 333 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.639 So there's basically forget the turnovers. Forget the spacing, It 334 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.240 didn't really matter in the handful of possessions we saw 335 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:38.879 them do, and. 336 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:40.600 That's actually something that carried over into the playoffs too. 337 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.679 So I had the same like recollection, like the turnovers 338 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.759 or a problem, you need Fox out there to stabilize 339 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:47.080 the offense. But that was more of like a Stephan Castle, 340 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.440 darn Fox issue than it was at Dylan Harper Darren 341 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:53.879 Fox issue because this same foursome or sorry, the same threesome. 342 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:55.720 So Harper Castle On wenting now without Fox in the 343 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:59.039 playoffs still outscored teams by plus nineteen points per under possession, 344 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:03.600 which is still an outst like outrageous figure, even given 345 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:06.919 that their turnover rate was very bad. So I just like, 346 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:09.080 I think that's one of those things where, like the 347 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.960 on paper stuff, you see why Fox makes sense on paper, 348 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:14.639 but then you go in you look at whatever small 349 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:16.720 amount of numbers we have and you're like, it kind 350 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.200 of doesn't matter, Like you kind of just have to 351 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.799 go and see what you've got with these three guys, 352 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:24.159 because so far it's been nothing but positive. And the 353 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:26.559 Spurs obviously would have done some things a little differently 354 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.159 if they had known they're gonna get the number two pick. 355 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:29.480 You can't really fault them for that. 356 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:31.320 Although even though I didn't like the Fox contract at 357 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.039 the time and stuff, but that is a sunk cost. 358 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.240 That's something you're gonna have to figure out how to 359 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.120 work around, whether that's bringing Fox off the bench or 360 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.240 trading them. Like I think Fox is helpful. They don't 361 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:41.159 have great Garb depth on this team, and if there's 362 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:44.000 an injury, he's gonna become even more valuable. But Harper 363 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:46.320 Castle on Womeniyama or the future. You need to see 364 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.120 them in much bigger minutes. Frankly, you need to see 365 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:49.399 Harper next to Womenyama more. 366 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:49.600 Right. 367 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:51.200 I know I've been rambling for a while, but like 368 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:53.039 Marb didn't get that much time with Wimby, and I 369 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:55.559 think that's the key core that you do that you 370 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:57.600 need to practice with over the railer season. 371 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.600 I worry less about Daron Fox is a number, and 372 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:07.080 more so, Daron Fox is just this political presence to wear. Well, 373 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.840 what does it look like if you're benching this Max 374 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.960 player right in favor of Dylan Harper and we didn't 375 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.120 see I was shocked they didn't go to this more 376 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:16.840 And I know availability had somebody that played with it, 377 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.000 but Cleanglass had them with fifty four possessions of Fox, 378 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.320 Castle and Harper together last year. 379 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:24.000 Uh, the numbers is in. 380 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.480 The regular season, it was like seventeen posessions in the 381 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:27.039 regular season. 382 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:27.720 I just looked at it. 383 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:31.080 Yeah, so it's just like, I don't I think you 384 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:32.840 need to go to that more just because now you 385 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:34.799 have to What are you gonna pay Daron Fox forty 386 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.799 plus million fifty plus million to be a twenty minute 387 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:40.279 per game guy. I mean, you have that flexibility if 388 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:41.720 you really need to. But that's not going to help 389 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.639 his trade value either. So I'm interested to see what 390 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.159 that lineup is going to or how much more that 391 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.519 lineup places because it doesn't have to play more now 392 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.320 just by virtue of well, Dylan Harper needs a like 393 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:55.519 fuck ton more minutes and like how else do we 394 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:55.919 get there? 395 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:58.240 Yeah, No, I think you're rightly. I think they should 396 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:01.559 explore it with Fox as well. But this is a 397 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.440 good problem. Behalf all right, we should take a step 398 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.240 back and be like, Fox is not in a take 399 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:07.240 away the vacuum takeway everyone else. Fox is still a 400 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:09.440 good player who will help you win games most of 401 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.279 the time. He's just not a great fit with what 402 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:13.039 they have now, it seems like. But to your point, 403 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.279 they really didn't even try the three of them plus Wimby, 404 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:17.240 and maybe maybe there is some magic there that we 405 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:19.279 just haven't seen yet. So you're right, that is the 406 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:20.960 first step. You're right they should play that first before 407 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:22.320 they figure out what they can do about Fox. 408 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:24.639 I also, look, I'm not gonna darn Fox was bad 409 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:27.200 by the end of the playoffs. He was injured, but 410 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.159 I also thought he did a better job during the 411 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.159 regular season of wasn't on the ball as much as 412 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:33.320 we saw him all the time, So I thought he 413 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.919 did a better job trying to retro fit really around 414 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:37.440 some of those Steph Castle minutes. 415 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:38.879 But it's still it's a problem. 416 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:41.960 We all like kind of clocked it going in, and 417 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.120 it's going to be an issue. I'm so interested how 418 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.879 mich Johnson handles it, though, because Dy Dylan Harper is 419 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.399 what it surprised you. I mean, the West is still 420 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:51.240 it's got star power if they're healthy. But if we're 421 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.200 talking about Dylan Harper as a sophomore being in the 422 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:55.480 All Star conversation this year, if that surprising, you. 423 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:57.559 Can't surprise anybody after his postseason. 424 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.080 Yeah, uh, the Spurs just having Dylan Harper's kind of unfair. 425 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:04.000 But that's that's not either here nor there. 426 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:05.400 You know, well I do. 427 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:07.359 I do want to make it here and there for 428 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.599 a second, because I do think that that was like 429 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:12.720 one of the sticking points with like lottery reformants, like 430 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:15.279 we don't want teams stacking multiple top four pictures and 431 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:17.119 aren't you aren't we all kind of glad that Dylan 432 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:18.799 Harper is on the Spurs instead of like on no 433 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.759 Offensive Sacramento, but like, you know, stuck in Sacramento or 434 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.920 some other team, Like I actually think putting the best 435 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.599 young players on medium to good teams is better for 436 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.480 those players and better for basketball overall, even if it 437 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:32.759 means that we'll have a couple of sacrificial lambs who 438 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:34.519 just get terrible lottery luck every year and I are 439 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.400 left out in the coach. I'd rather that twenty seven 440 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.279 other teams be better and more fun to watch if 441 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.359 it means three teams are screwed, And I'm sorry for that, 442 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.200 because those three teams it'll be that's not gonna make 443 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:42.880 them feel better. 444 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:44.079 But that's just my opinion. 445 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.799 I didn't mean unfair in the pejorative sense, just like 446 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:50.920 unfair just more of a compliment than anything. Look, I 447 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.519 hate lottery reform. I think it was an overcorrection. I like, 448 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:56.559 I'm excited at the idea when I was going through 449 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.200 win totals and how low they are. Yeah, like, oh wow, 450 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:01.759 if this really falls suit, a lot of team is 451 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:04.759 going to be trying. So I'm I'm excited about that aspect. 452 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:06.640 But I do think it was an over correction because 453 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.680 I think had Adam Silver actually just been finding teams 454 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:13.240 as much as he legally could and more consistently, that 455 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.319 that would have eradicated the inside Like you doc owners 456 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.160 millions of dollars enough times like yeah, that's gonna get them. 457 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.599 So yeah, by the way, spurs under this, we'll see 458 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:25.680 how lottery reform changes again. But we're never gonna see 459 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.440 anything like this in the like quality of players maybe, 460 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:32.839 but just three top five picks in successive years, that's 461 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.839 gone now on a lot of reforms. This is just 462 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:36.839 sort of like a relic of I don't think any 463 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.559 team aspires to have three top five picks, but they 464 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:41.480 were a perfect example with Dylan Harper where it was, 465 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.000 oh we knew we were headed in the right direction 466 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.319 and we weren't that terrible, but you ended up with 467 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.079 Dylan Harper anyway. So I just mean unfair in the 468 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.799 sense of, I guess that's cool, but I get the 469 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:55.000 Knicks fan in me probably thinks that that's kind of unfair, 470 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.240 like that this is the team that's gonna run the 471 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.920 tables between that there's a reason them and okay see 472 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.799 are still co favorites or depending on I think the 473 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.519 thunder might have moved a favorites to win. 474 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:05.200 It all next year. 475 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:07.480 Yeah, nope, no further notes. 476 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:10.440 What is up, fellow sickos. 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And that's Donovan Klingon, so 500 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:06.799 big man from the Blazers, going into his third year now. 501 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:07.559 And here's the thing. 502 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.440 I'm not really a huge clinging guy, but I think 503 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:13.759 it's so interesting that he basically had this kind of 504 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:17.559 modest linear improvement in everything that he did last year. 505 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:21.960 So three point percentage up, finishing up, efficiency, up, assists rate, 506 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:24.079 up usage, your rebounding rates. 507 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.200 Up, up and up. The block rate fell, but by 508 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.559 way less than his foul rate fell. So I think 509 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:30.359 that's something that, like, you know, the Blazers would be 510 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:32.680 happy to have, especially given that he was playing a 511 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.720 lot more minutes, so most interestingly, his turnover rader rate 512 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.799 dropped by like almost fifty percent, and I think given 513 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:41.880 that he was handling the ball more and doing more 514 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:44.279 with it, I think that's a super positive sign. I 515 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.400 don't even think Klingon is necessarily like this all world 516 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:49.799 defender necessarily yet, but he is very good at the 517 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:54.079 worst and he's just somebody who I think his talent 518 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:55.319 on this team is so weird. 519 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.400 On the Blazers right because they have no spacing. Again 520 00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:58.880 the traded for John Morant, who is going to make 521 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.000 that problem worse, not better. But if you have no spacing, 522 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.799 the easiest way to create some artificially is through screening. 523 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:06.359 And I think that's something where we're gonna see Clinging 524 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:08.319 really take a step forward this year. I think he 525 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:10.880 could be a very valuable pick and roll partner for 526 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:13.279 John Morant and for in the half court at least 527 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:15.039 for Danny Avdia and guys like that. Just like he 528 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.039 started to become much better last year, and I just 529 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.119 like the advanced numbers kind of love Clinging, even offensively 530 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:23.839 where I'm like, this guy's doesn't have great hands. 531 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:24.119 Stuff. 532 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.839 He was ninetieth percentile on offensive EPM last year after 533 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:28.119 being fiftieth centile. 534 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:28.279 As a rookie. 535 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:31.119 Like literally everything about this guy was just a step 536 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.079 up from his first year to his second year. And 537 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:36.359 we know improvement isn't linear as a whole or in 538 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:37.720 the specific for guys, but. 539 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.039 It can be, and it might be for Clinging And. 540 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.480 Even though they have a bunch of backup centers and 541 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:42.759 they have a bunch of point guards and they really 542 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:46.319 don't have anyone else in between. Like I, it's just 543 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.799 one of those things where like every single arrow is 544 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:50.039 kind of pointing in the same way, and I'm going 545 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:50.759 to be paying attention. 546 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.119 He was on my list and he was not in 547 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:56.720 one of my top seven, And you kind of alluded 548 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.480 to why the lack because in theory, you're getting back 549 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:02.839 a healthy Damian Lillard, you are getting back John Moran, 550 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:04.440 who was a very good passer. 551 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:06.839 That should help Donovan Clington. 552 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:09.680 But then you view it against the backdrop of the 553 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:13.079 spacing and whatever this roster is trying to be, and 554 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.440 I don't love it. I think what probably helps him 555 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:17.960 is he took a lot more threes last year, most 556 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.160 of which were coming above the break, but I also 557 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:22.519 feel uncomfortable with Donovan Clinton needs to be one of 558 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:27.160 my more important floor spacers while he's on the court. Defensively, 559 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:29.519 I just have no notes for him. I know you 560 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:31.319 said you didn't think he was all world last year. 561 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:33.599 I had him like twelve when I was making my 562 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.599 all defensive ballots for the podcast. Just the he's been 563 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:39.640 in looking at like points saved at the rim since 564 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:41.880 he's entered the league, and the ninetieth percentile or higher 565 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.279 each time. He's just absolutely massive, can be slow. But 566 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:48.200 I worried when he came in the league. I was 567 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:50.160 completely out on him. I was like, Oh, he's not 568 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.759 gonna be able to hold up defensively in the NBA. 569 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:54.759 I was just so wrong. And I think he gives 570 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.160 you an actual baseline too. I don't think starting Damian 571 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:00.039 Lillard and John Moran is actually a good idea. I 572 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.279 think it's all gonna I'm sorry, Belationships. I think it's 573 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.200 all gonna end very badly. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. 574 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:07.799 But having Donovan Klingen as a backstop in addition to 575 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:09.799 you still do have a jew holiday to Mani Kamara 576 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.920 our luxuries. Other teams don't. I just don't know what 577 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.759 the offensive development can look like for him, and he 578 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:18.799 was more efficient last year. I think then you have 579 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.119 like league average true shooting, which when you're factoring in 580 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:24.359 that he was taking threes, I'll take it. I don't 581 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.799 trust the hands still, and so we're gonna have to 582 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:28.920 see like he's dealing with a bunch of different types 583 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.079 of passers now too, when you look at jaw and 584 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:33.720 Damian Lillard or Denny Avda. So how are most of 585 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.039 his points going to come? That's why I boot him 586 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.240 out of the top seven is I don't trust I 587 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:41.079 now trust the player, I do not trust the environment. 588 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:45.000 Yeah, I'm all, so that's probably Truely, I'm not expecting 589 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.039 him to suddenly be like an eighteen point pre game score. 590 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:50.160 I just think that, like if he keeps making these improvements, 591 00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:52.000 and I kind of think that the reason why the 592 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.839 environment is so bad for the team is kind of 593 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:55.880 why it might be good for him. There's gonna be 594 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:57.799 a lot of misses, there's gonna be a lot of opportunity. 595 00:23:57.839 --> 00:23:59.640 He led the league in offensive rebounding last year. I 596 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.920 think he could easily do it again. I think, like 597 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.039 I said, I think he has to become an important 598 00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:07.039 part of Like there's gonna be a lot more pick 599 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:08.599 and roll with John Morant on the court than there 600 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:10.400 was last year, where it was like, can we run 601 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:11.799 as fast as we can with Denny Avdue a straight 602 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:13.119 at the rim? And I think if you're going to 603 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:14.680 be having and I think if you have Lillard out there, 604 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:15.799 like he's gonna need to have. 605 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.599 Some space for his pull up threes, And I think 606 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:18.240 we're just gonna. 607 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:20.160 See Clinging doing a ton like a lot more in 608 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.359 the offense in a way that maybe it doesn't result 609 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.480 in like these all star box score numbers, but he's 610 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:27.319 just going to become an essential part of what they're 611 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:28.960 doing on both Like he's already essential on defense, he's 612 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:30.880 gonna become a much more essential part of what they're 613 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:32.759 doing on offense. Besides just like, hey, look a seven 614 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.920 footer who sometimes shoots three pointers. I think we're gonna 615 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.559 see a lot more clinging, even if it doesn't necessarily 616 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.200 mean that he's putting up these gutty point totals. 617 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:44.039 Yeah, I'm I'm it's more of a car crash theory 618 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:46.079 with the Blazers. I'm morbidly curious to see what this 619 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:48.039 team looks like next year. And I don't mean that 620 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:50.240 as a shot at Donovan cling in the roster construction 621 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:51.480 right now just doesn't make. 622 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.160 A I wish they would make a trade with the 623 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:56.359 Dallas Mavericks, who are nothing but power forwards and shooting 624 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.880 guards and people in between, for one of these point. 625 00:24:58.680 --> 00:24:59.039 Guards, right. 626 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:00.400 I don't care if it's Screwed. I don't care if 627 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.839 it's Drew Holliday, I don't care if it's job or Lillard. 628 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.359 Just like, trade one of those guys to to the Mavericks, 629 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.839 and both these teams would be so much substantially better. 630 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:08.720 We can do it. 631 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:10.480 Let's make it happen. 632 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.519 And look it's we're we're entering like the dead capslock 633 00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.400 dead portion of the NBA summer. So give us something 634 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.440 to talk about with a nice little Blazer's Mavericks out right. 635 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.559 The Blazers also sneakily have two guys. 636 00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:22.000 And it's kind of funny because I know that on 637 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.839 this podcast, you guys have been uh dwop wreath fans 638 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:26.160 for a long time, and so I think back, like, 639 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:27.680 it's kind of funny that the Blazers now have like 640 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.119 two stretch fives that are basically never gonna play that 641 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:32.480 I feel like would fit half like half the league 642 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:35.160 in Michaeh Potter and Bredon Brandon Carlson. 643 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.160 So like what am I missing with Michael Potter that 644 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.839 no other team thought like? This felt like greedy on 645 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.000 the Blazers or was it a precursor to you know what, 646 00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:46.720 We're not gonna pay Donovan Klingen because of Tom Dundan, 647 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:48.480 and we're just gonna be like Michael Pott is gonna 648 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:49.839 be super cheap until the end of time. 649 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.720 Over the Top paid a lot for Robert Williams too, 650 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:54.519 and they have Young Hansom. They have so many centers 651 00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:55.160 on this team. 652 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.279 I still still believer and he'll go down as maybe 653 00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:00.759 a summer league legend. But I'm still believe in Young 654 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:02.359 Handsome too. I just don't know how you find the minutes. 655 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:05.759 Let's see, do I want to go? I'll stay on 656 00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:08.960 the beaten path. Here a little bit for pick number four, 657 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:13.119 Brendon Miller. I mean one, if you're a Hornets fan, 658 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.680 you need him to go in this draft because I 659 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.519 do think as much as people viewed the LaMelo trade 660 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:24.480 as they are just getting out of the lamellow ball business, 661 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.119 this really had to be a vote of confidence I 662 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.319 think in Brendon Miller and also Continentipple. But I look 663 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.599 at Brendon Miller, maybe he's front of mine because he's 664 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:33.480 extension eligible and has you have to sign one. As 665 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.119 we've recorded. This also very weird by the way, Mike 666 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.920 Wemby being the only rookie extension we've gotten so far. 667 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.039 This is atypical, right, Like normally we get more rookie 668 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:44.440 extensions than this by now. 669 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.319 Yeah, teams are playing a little harder ball, I think 670 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.039 than the rookies are used to, right, So I'm curious 671 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:51.519 to see if this leads into like a resurgence and 672 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.039 unrestricted free agency at some point, or if they are 673 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:56.440 all just going to kind of settle in with unhappy 674 00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:58.200 restricted free agency numbers at some point. 675 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.880 You might have covered some of this at Basketball Poetry recently, 676 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.559 rumor hasn't it, So go check out basketball tiny bit. 677 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.759 Yeah just a time bit, nice plug. Appreciate you. That's 678 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:08.160 that's the sign of a pro right there. 679 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.559 Yeah, I've been doing this for just a couple of 680 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.160 years now, almost two weeks. 681 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.519 I think so Bredon Miller. 682 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.440 I do think that people probably underestimated, like how much 683 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:19.559 of the offense has been funneled his way when he's 684 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.119 healthy and on the floor. Even when LaMelo is there, 685 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:24.599 that's question number one is is he going to stay healthy? 686 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.480 If he can, what level can he get? Because as 687 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:30.640 an on ball score I trust him as a jump 688 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:32.359 shooter for the most part, it's getting to his spots 689 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.440 from the mid range. I need to see the free 690 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.119 throw attempt rate getting to the basket come up. He's 691 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.119 routinely just ranked. I mean, he's never ranked higher, I 692 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:44.119 think per CpG than the twenty first percentile in rim frequency. 693 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:46.799 In theory, the hornets have a ton of spacing, but 694 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:48.680 so that should make it easier for him to get there. 695 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:51.359 But he's not getting a ton of unassisted looks at 696 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.359 the rim in generals, that's something that's gonna come up. 697 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.440 What happens when they rely on him to be more 698 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.680 of a facilitator. I know people have been I don't 699 00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.400 want to say out but just kind of written off 700 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.559 the defense. I think the defense for what he's going 701 00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:03.839 to need to do offensively, if he is what he 702 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.319 is now, is going to be mostly fine for me. 703 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.319 I just don't know what removing LaMelo from the equation 704 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.200 does because the numbers with Continipple, Brandon Miller, Nolamela weren't flattering. 705 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.920 But we also don't have the data on a Kobe 706 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.880 White like or a ton of data on a Kobe 707 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.960 White being there. I think my biggest concern with him 708 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.000 is that Kobe White is not the same level or 709 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:28.440 anywhere no one on the shrowster the same level of 710 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.880 playmaking safety net that LaMelo was. 711 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:31.799 I don't know that. 712 00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.039 Defenses are going to react to Kobe White or even 713 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.880 to know a little bit more marinated Conkinipple the same 714 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.079 way that they were to LaMelo Ball. Brandon Miller is 715 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:41.799 now that guy, and so what does he do with 716 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:46.119 seeing more double teams, having to take more difficult shots? 717 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:47.880 And so I think the big thing for him, I 718 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.839 don't know if the room frequency is going to come 719 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.640 up a ton again, the spacing environment, it might. I 720 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.079 think if he's able to kind of draw a higher 721 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.839 percentage of shooting files, that might be a key to 722 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.000 unlocking more offensively for him. But just the on ball 723 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.559 opportunity he's gonna have, which again I think was a 724 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.880 little bit higher than people already than people realized that 725 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.000 now kind of goes through the roof unless you really 726 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.319 think that the Hornets are in a funnel so much 727 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.240 of their offense to Kobe White continentple specifically, And I 728 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.119 know a lot of people are high on I don't 729 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.720 see it with Christian Anderson personally, but I'll leave that 730 00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.400 to the draft knicks who watched more of him. 731 00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.599 Yeah, I echo some of those same concerns. 732 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.000 Like my frustration with Brandon Miller is entirely the lack 733 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.519 of physicality he plays with on both sides. And I 734 00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:34.160 actually think he had a pretty good defensive year last year. 735 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.200 And I don't know if this is because people thought 736 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.039 he's gonna be a really good defender his rookie year, 737 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.960 like that was supposed to be. One of the things 738 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:40.480 about him was he was a two way player and 739 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.519 then he was pretty bad as a rookie. But I 740 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:44.160 think he bounced back pretty solidly. 741 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:45.680 And that not that he's going to be making any 742 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.880 all defensive teams anytime soon. 743 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:48.039 But I think, like you said, like I think he 744 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.839 was more than good enough for the role he carries 745 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.160 on offense last year already, So I if he gets 746 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:53.920 even better on that end, like I think we'll really 747 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.799 have something there. But like, no, this is a nugget 748 00:29:57.799 --> 00:29:59.599 I've been sitting on like for twelve months, and I 749 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:00.880 have not been able to find a way to work 750 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.279 it into my writing. Nobody loses more fifty fifty balls 751 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:08.039 than Brandon Miller, and that sounds cruel, And there's some 752 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:10.000 explanation for it, like he had shoulder surgery, and I 753 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:11.559 think part of it is like he's not trying to 754 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:13.359 get in the mix and mess up his shoulder again. Like, 755 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.680 but I have like multiple like I have several clips 756 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.559 of him, like watching the ball bounce to him and 757 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:20.960 then like retreating or standing still while someone else. 758 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:21.599 Is diving on top of it. 759 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.599 Like this man is not getting the fifty fifty balls 760 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.480 and he just doesn't play quite with enough physicality to 761 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:27.759 get to the rim like you were saying where he 762 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:28.480 alway struggled. 763 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.160 He can get bullied defensively. 764 00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.319 But like the jumper is real, like he can definitely 765 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.799 do stuff with the ball. I think to your point, 766 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.599 like there's not a ton of playmaking on this roster. 767 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:40.839 There's not a lot of plus passers, but there is 768 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.000 just so much spacing, Like the passing lane should be 769 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:44.400 wide open. 770 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.400 Guy should be able to get into the paint pretty easily. 771 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.480 I don't know what this is going to look like because, 772 00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.039 like you, I'm also a big LaMelo ball guy. Like you, 773 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:52.960 I looked at the clean the glass number for Brandon Miller. 774 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.720 Brandon Miller playing without LaMelo ball was like a twelve 775 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.839 percentile offensive. Right, And Kobe White's a good player, he's 776 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.319 not a real point guard. So I am nervous about 777 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.759 Brandon Miller. I also just think like he's already pretty good, 778 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:06.000 Like I don't mean to say all these bad things 779 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.839 about like he's already a good player, and how much 780 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:09.920 better can he realistically be? He's already been a two 781 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.240 time twenty point score. Like the jumper is getting better 782 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.640 over time, he's not. But he's not really outside of 783 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.200 the defense, which I think substantially improved. I haven't noticed 784 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.119 that he's gotten a ton better at some of the 785 00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:21.920 things he's bad out on offense, right, I still think 786 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.680 he's like an okay passer for the position. He still 787 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.640 can't get to the rim still, like you know, isn't 788 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:28.119 drying the free throws that you want him too. 789 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.000 So I don't know if he's got it in him. 790 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.720 But I that's more because I think he's already good 791 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.440 and I already respect him, and I'm not sure that 792 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.960 this is like the system that is going to lead 793 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.640 to a massive explosion in Brandon Miller's stats or anything 794 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:39.960 like that. 795 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.279 To me, it almost feels like they need him to 796 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.640 be a The scoring can maybe stay somewhat the same, 797 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:47.279 but they kind of feels like they need him to 798 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:50.400 be like a twenty four point four or five assist guy. 799 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:53.799 If they're trying to spin this as we reoriented, we 800 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.279 didn't start over because if you ask me right now, 801 00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:58.960 let's say they had to trade one of their core 802 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:02.240 three players last year, you're probably just keeping Conn because 803 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:03.759 of the link on his rookie deal, and you asked 804 00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.279 me whether it was LaMelo or Brandon Miller, I would 805 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:06.759 have picked that. 806 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:06.880 You. 807 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:08.519 No, you need to trade Brandon Miller. I think is 808 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.720 a like a rebuilding base or building block baseline. LaMelo 809 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:13.720 is going to do more for you. To me, this, 810 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.680 if it's not a bet on him and Conkk Nipple, 811 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:18.759 I don't know, then it's really they just wanted to 812 00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.960 get out of little Mellow ball business, which is one 813 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.720 of many ways to look at that trade this If 814 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:30.000 he's not in most improved or All Star discussions for 815 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.359 them mid season. I don't think that makes the Lamello 816 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:34.759 trade of failure necessarily. But then it's well, now we 817 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.319 need to trickle down and step back. What was the 818 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.039 what was the thought what was the additional thought process 819 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.720 behind this trade? They need him, they need us to 820 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.559 come away thinking, Oh, this is someone who is going 821 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.079 to hit an even higher percentage of self created looks. 822 00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:49.400 This is going to be someone who can get to 823 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.319 four or five assist per game, play with more physicality, 824 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.519 get to the rim, more, draw more shooting fouls. I 825 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.920 think the just with the dynamics that he works with 826 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.519 on ball, I feel like we could see him take 827 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.160 more free throws. But this is I'm intrigued because I 828 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.119 do still remain skeptical in the sense of is this 829 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.039 close to the best that he'll be? Where is Oh, 830 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:11.720 you could see him being like a top fifty, top 831 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:15.440 sixty player in the NBA. But if he can't ratchet 832 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.000 up to the I say, like top thirty level, this 833 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:21.759 team has done the lots on the shoulders of Conk Nipple, 834 00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.680 and I guess, like Joanna Steinbach or like the an 835 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.359 acquisition to be named later. 836 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.799 Well, what if I said that, if you looked at 837 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.000 all the hornets, This Brandon Miller wouldn't have been the 838 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:32.559 first guy that I would have picked for a breakout. 839 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:34.319 And I'm not kind of conton Kinipple, right like, obviously 840 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:35.799 this guy almost won rookie the year he's. 841 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.119 Oh, can I guess? 842 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:38.519 Can I try and guess? 843 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:39.240 Absolutely? 844 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:40.559 Is it Liam McNeely? 845 00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:42.880 Well, you know you say that? 846 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.279 And he was there and eventually I cut him because 847 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.839 that's two sickos only, I think, But I was thinking 848 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:48.559 a different. 849 00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.839 Player, uh because diabate count has already broken out? 850 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:53.680 Yes? 851 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:56.160 Uh? 852 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:56.400 Man? 853 00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.640 Who am I? Who am I missing on this team? 854 00:33:58.799 --> 00:33:59.519 Is this going to be. 855 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.920 A you said it's not sick Oh? 856 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.160 I do love Seon James, and I do think that 857 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:07.880 he is gonna end up playing a lot more minutes 858 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.119 than like people realize. 859 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.159 Actually, but no, that Sion's never gonna be a guy. 860 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:12.800 I don't think that comes out and is like scoring 861 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.079 twenty points a game, right, Like that's just not really 862 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:15.800 hit his DNA. 863 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.119 Who I'm assuming it's not Ryan Kulchbrenner. Who who do 864 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:19.480 we got? 865 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:20.920 Who is it? How about nos Reed? 866 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:21.840 There you go. 867 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.119 I think that if you're looking at one guy and 868 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.000 I'm leaving out Cohn because I do think everyone expects 869 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.000 and hopes that cont takes a leap, which maybe that's hard, 870 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.280 you know, easier said than done, given that he had 871 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.480 such a great rookie year. But I think nas Reed's 872 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.679 a guy who's coming in, you know, like a thirteen 873 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.639 fourteen point score whatever it was last year, but he's 874 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.119 a real bucket and he's taken over for Miles Bridges, 875 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.360 who you know, was routinely an eighteen twenty point score. Like, 876 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.199 I think the usage gap is going to be there 877 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:46.800 for Noried to come in. And I think Nosried is 878 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.960 a better offensive player than Miles Bridges. I think he's 879 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.239 got an amazing face up game for a real power forward. 880 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:54.079 I think he's you know, a much better shooter than 881 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.000 Miles Bridges. He's not that athlete that Bridges was, and 882 00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:59.920 he's not gonna have Lamello feeding him the ball. Like 883 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.480 there's a lot of guys who are, if not shoot first, 884 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:05.480 like shoot equal to passing on this Hornets team. So 885 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.000 maybe it's just that Read isn't going to get as 886 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.599 many opportunities as I kind of think he is. But 887 00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:12.119 if we're just talking like Hornet lambs. I think Brandon 888 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:13.719 Miller is probably going to be like a low twenty 889 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.159 score again. But I wonder if I was Reid can't 890 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.480 get up from thirteen to like the Miles Bridges eighteen 891 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.039 points per game, Like, I could absolutely see that fornas 892 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:22.440 Read because I just have so much faith in him 893 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:23.159 as a score. 894 00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.280 Wait nots Reid only average thirteen points a game. 895 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.679 Maybe it was fourteen, but it was it was not 896 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.079 as many as as you might recall last year, right, 897 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:33.320 thirteen point six, thirteen pointy six. 898 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.599 Why do I just constantly remember him putting up like eighteen. 899 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.360 Because he makes it look so good, like he's like 900 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.719 a center sized dude with like a filthy handle, and 901 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:44.119 it yeah free when he scores. 902 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:45.719 I'm like a half decade ago. 903 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.239 I don't know how many like people's radars he was on, 904 00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:49.679 But if you told me that he had the type 905 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:51.440 of floor game where it looks like, oh, that's like 906 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.679 a wing, like true wing handling the ball, I never 907 00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:55.320 would have been able to predict that, my. 908 00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.639 God, and Read is a true play finisher right like 909 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.440 he is not once the ball gets to him, it's 910 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.039 going up, you know, So I but like I'm taking 911 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.639 a step back. I think that the fun part about 912 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.119 the Hornets if you are an optimist about the LaMelo 913 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:11.400 ball move, which I'm not really, but I see the 914 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:13.440 upside here. The fun part is they have so many 915 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.159 outs because Brandon Miller could make a big leap, Like 916 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.199 I don't necessarily see it, but you do, and like 917 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.320 I absolutely think it could happen. Kank Nipple could make 918 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.840 a huge leap. Maybe Kobe White could make a leap. 919 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.119 Like he's not like an old guy, He's somebody who's 920 00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:29.039 been looking for an opportunity with the most talented running cast. 921 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.199 He's one of those guys I think playing for the 922 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:34.960 Bulls anecdotally ages you, and so it feels like he's 923 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:35.639 been around forever. 924 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.079 Well it literally ages you if you're in the Tom 925 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.920 Dibbodeaux era, right, like what happened to port like all 926 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:44.079 those guys? Uh but yeah, so, Like I just think 927 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.000 the Hornets are so fun and exciting because they do 928 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.079 have so many guys that you can talk yourself into 929 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:49.599 taking the next big leap. 930 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.760 And some of those guys are gonna hit. They're not. 931 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.719 They won't all they can't all right, they can't all 932 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.119 turn into twenty point scores, but somebody will maybe too, 933 00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.360 Someone's will and that's gonna be like really exciting. Like 934 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.199 I'm bias because I am based out of Carolina, North Carolina. 935 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.400 So like last year and I listen, I live in 936 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.199 the Triangle. Last year was the first time in my 937 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.599 six years living here that I've seen a single piece 938 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.639 of Hornets like gear walking around town. 939 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:12.920 It was just not a factor. 940 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:14.719 And now they were so like they had such a 941 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.639 cool run last year if I've got really excited, obviously 942 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:18.880 flamed out and people are mad about the ball trade, 943 00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.639 but the Duke connection between Conk Nipple and Syon James 944 00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:23.840 being there, and I think one of the plum leaves 945 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.119 was there last year briefly, Like people are excited about 946 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.320 that and just like there's at least a little buzz 947 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.239 no pun intended around the Hornets this year, and I'm 948 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.159 hoping that can carry through. 949 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.039 They're they're just another I'm fascinated by every team, but 950 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:36.880 they're not for the amount of people that think they're 951 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.360 either still going to be good or might be better 952 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.400 off without LaMelo Ball, I think just inherently makes them fat. 953 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.239 I don't think internally they think they're going to be 954 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:44.719 better or how the type of run that they did 955 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:46.960 last year. I think they made the trade knowing it 956 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:48.519 was going to be a step back, but yeah they have. 957 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.880 For for a while it was a oh if they're healthy. 958 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.320 They just have so many dudes, And now it's the 959 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.400 same thing, except like the level of dudes that they 960 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.760 have because Conkinipple's there, Nasried is there, Moussa Yabade, this 961 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.920 is the version of him you have. It's higher level 962 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.119 dudes now, and so yeah, this team should be fun 963 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.480 to watch. Who'd you want to take with we're moving 964 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.280 at a banner pace? Yeah? Who do you want to 965 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.000 take with your number? This is a fifth pick overall? 966 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:14.079 Your your third pick? 967 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.000 Yeah, no, feel free to cut me off, because I 968 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.079 do go off tangents. I You know, one of the 969 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.400 nice thing about writing is that you can basically write 970 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:21.920 as much as you want and no one's there to 971 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:22.199 tell you. 972 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:23.639 No, we have time, like I have to go and 973 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:24.159 do whatever. 974 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.920 What do you find easier writing or podcasting? Because we 975 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:28.679 both do both? 976 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:33.440 Oh yeah, well writing is more time intensive just because 977 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:35.039 like for me at least, like it takes me so 978 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.360 long to edit, Like I am so bad. 979 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.039 I have such sloppy copy. This is like, oh, really 980 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:43.679 personal problem is my first drafts are rough and I 981 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.039 need to go back through and fix it. And that's 982 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.119 what takes me forever. Getting the first words down are fine. 983 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.440 But then like I just like never had the formal 984 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.840 training to like have this like really pristine copy when 985 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:53.159 you write. 986 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:54.039 That saves you so much time. 987 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:55.559 That's what the pros need, right, Like, if you're someone 988 00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:57.559 out there working for a newspaper or on deadline, you 989 00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.719 need you how to get down with no typos, with 990 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:01.559 no like you know, reward. You need to get that 991 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:03.480 downe fast. And it's such a skill, a nice skill 992 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:05.760 to have, and I don't have that. I'm meandering. My 993 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.320 stuff goes off in weird directions. I have to be like, okay, 994 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.440 let's rein it back in. I have typos everywhere. It's 995 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:10.880 a disaster. 996 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:17.880 I think I might enjoy writing more, But podcasting is 997 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.199 way easier to me where it's like if you had 998 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.960 like a yeah podcast, because there's just less structure to 999 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.199 it and so you can meandering is part of the point. 1000 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.440 These tangents are part of the point. Yeah, in podcasting. 1001 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.239 If I put that in my writing, I'm gonna get 1002 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.440 an email from somebody because they're like, why did you 1003 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.719 spend two hundred fifty words talking about nothing that has 1004 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.480 to do with Brandon Miller and the Charlotte Hornets on 1005 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.639 this Brandon Miller and the Charlotte Hornets blurb, I. 1006 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.360 Would just get a comment being like I need a TLDR. 1007 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:44.559 I'm not reading all this. I love those comments with 1008 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.679 my favor when I when I write, you know, three 1009 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.559 thousand words, we're like this is too long, and I'm like, yeah, 1010 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.679 I wasn't really meant for you then, Bud, Yeah. 1011 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.119 Yeah, I like that people feel compelled to chime in 1012 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.239 though and say that, but because I just don't understand 1013 00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:55.559 the point. 1014 00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.239 But all right, let's see here. 1015 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.119 I've got a long list, and actually none of your 1016 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.000 guys were on like my my short list, which is 1017 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:04.679 which is fun. 1018 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.039 But I think let's talk, you know it, let's do it. 1019 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.559 Let's I was kind of hoping you would say this 1020 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.039 guy's name just so I wouldn't have to do it first. 1021 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.719 But let's talk about Yegor Joemen. Oh, yes, which. 1022 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.519 Yes, he was my next pick. This is our first 1023 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:20.320 this is the first one where it's oh, I was 1024 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:20.639 going to. 1025 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:21.760 Take him nice. 1026 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.880 Yeah, No, I all right, listen, I don't do any 1027 00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:25.440 like you do. A little college stuff and a little 1028 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:26.840 bit of scouting and stuff. I don't do any of that, 1029 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.880 right Like my my entire life is based around the NBA, 1030 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:31.800 which makes me just like I told you before, I 1031 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.320 have no fun to talk to a parties, So I 1032 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.000 don't know who any of the guys are until they 1033 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.119 come into the league proper and to all like the 1034 00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:40.320 draft knicks and the you know, the armchair scouts out 1035 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.039 there who are writing up stuff about Joeman. I just 1036 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.800 want to say thanks for nothing, guys. This guy was 1037 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.679 nothing like he was supposed to be. I was picturing 1038 00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:51.760 Josh Gutty pire like he's tall, he can handle, He's 1039 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.199 this amazing passer. The shot, we don't really think it's 1040 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.239 gonna be any good, So I'm picturing like, you know, 1041 00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:59.960 European Josh Giddy, and instead I get like a Dante 1042 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.960 Evincenzo or somebody you know. 1043 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:03.039 This guy comes in. 1044 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.480 He seventy percent of his shots came from three and 1045 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.079 he hit thirty nine percent of them. This is one 1046 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.360 of the greatest rookie shooting seasons we've ever seen, combining 1047 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:11.880 accuracy and. 1048 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.480 Volume was a strong suit, though Mike shooting wasn't. 1049 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.800 A strong suit, but passing was. Except he couldn't pass 1050 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.119 anybody because he was so slow. He could never get 1051 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:21.960 into the paint. The reason he shot so many threes 1052 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.079 is because he was physically incapable of making a layup 1053 00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:25.639 or getting two feet into the paint and passing out 1054 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.519 to somebody. So like, as far as I know, the 1055 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.880 passing is like a unicorn, I've never seen it. He 1056 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:31.840 gets like three assists from swinging the ball around on 1057 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:33.440 the outside of the perimeter and then someone will make 1058 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:38.079 a shot. But he is on here because he had 1059 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.480 a pretty fun summer league. He just looked different. He 1060 00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:43.920 had like a much more you know, like NBA ready body. 1061 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.079 He looked way more explosive. It very clearly he knew 1062 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:48.480 what he had to do, which is like I need 1063 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:49.960 to find a way to bully my way into paint. 1064 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:51.559 Like he's never gonna be the fastest guy out there, 1065 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.880 but he did look noticeably faster. So like, even though 1066 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:56.519 I don't think that, you know, Joeman's gonna be coming in, 1067 00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:58.000 He's not gonna be living at the rim, He's not 1068 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.079 gonna be throwing down windmill dunks or anything. But I 1069 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.519 do think it's interesting that he had uh man, I 1070 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:04.159 wrote this up in my in one of my articles, 1071 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:05.679 and I'm blanking on the exact number, but. 1072 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.320 I think he had like two dunks all of last 1073 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.000 year or something crazy, and I watched one game where 1074 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:11.599 he had three. 1075 00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.199 Okay, Like he's definitely going to be Okay, he had 1076 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.280 four dunks all of last season in the NBA, and 1077 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:19.639 he played like, you know, thirteen hundred minutes he had 1078 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.719 he had two and one or three and one game 1079 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.480 that I watched in summer League. Like, I think he 1080 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.599 is like aware of what his shortcomings were. He has 1081 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:28.199 these strengths that nobody expected. 1082 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:29.119 And if you can if. 1083 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.559 You're you know, big and can shoot, there was always 1084 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.199 going to be a place for you. And if you 1085 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.000 can figure out a way to leverage the passing, which 1086 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.639 I assume exists by actually like bending the defense a 1087 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:39.840 little bit, then I think there's gonna like there's nobody 1088 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.079 else in Brooklyn who's gonna be really like, you know, 1089 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.440 taking his usage. Like yeah, Julius Randalls there, Michael Porter 1090 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.920 Junior's there. We'll see if either of them like last 1091 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.159 through the season. And either way, like that's still only 1092 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:51.440 two guys. Like, I think that there's a lot of 1093 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:53.599 room for a gentleman to like takeing the larger usage 1094 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.599 burden and hopefully show more of what had people so 1095 00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.559 excited about him in the first place, combined with this 1096 00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:58.119 new thing that. 1097 00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.679 Has people like me excited. So I'm really pump for Joan. 1098 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:04.039 I do you think he did I'm not sure how 1099 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:05.079 much have you caught him, cause I know you were 1100 00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:06.400 at sumer League. Do you think he did a better 1101 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.159 job of bending the defense while he was at Summer League? 1102 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.239 I like, I only saw it. 1103 00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:13.480 I only watched one and a half of his games, 1104 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.639 but it was like noticeably different, and the quality of 1105 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.079 competitions so much worse, and the offensive structure so much worse. Like, 1106 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:21.760 I think both those things should be noted that like 1107 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.840 it's a sloppier brand of basketball. It doesn't always translate, 1108 00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.320 but like the physical improvements are noticeable. 1109 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.559 Right, It did not feel as if he was Sometimes 1110 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:32.039 felt like he was moving when he had the ball 1111 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.119 last year, which by the way, was way less than 1112 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.559 I thought he was going to have the ball last year. 1113 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.599 It felt like he was moving with cinder blocks for shoes. Yeah, 1114 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.199 sometimes it did not look that way in Summer League. 1115 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.000 And the other thing that really stood out, Now this 1116 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.559 isn't historically necessarily like the best translatable stat but I'm 1117 00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:51.199 willing to throw it out the window because he's technically 1118 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.320 a sophomore actually getting to the foul line four point 1119 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.239 nine free throw attempts for thirty six minutes in summer 1120 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:59.199 league after what was at one point eight as a rookie, 1121 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.159 and I think when he was in Summer League as 1122 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.840 a rookie, it was zero point nine or something for 1123 00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:06.679 thirty six minutes in the summer league. So if he's 1124 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.679 able to like add that to and I do think 1125 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:11.679 there's gonna be a better passer. He has better targets 1126 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.639 now too, Like so MPJ is there. I really do 1127 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.840 like Mikeel Brown junior. Those two I think are pretty intuitive. 1128 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.679 Away from the ball you kind of I was still 1129 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.199 gonna pick him. My only hesitance was is, well, how 1130 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.639 much of the offensive share does Julius rand will just 1131 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.079 eat up? And it forces jaeg or Joman not to 1132 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.000 be bad, but to kind of be the player that 1133 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.880 he was last year. I don't think Jordi Fernandez will 1134 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.440 do that. I think he will be given the time 1135 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.679 and space to explore on offense, and I'm really excited 1136 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.079 about what some of their lineups can do when you're 1137 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.719 looking at if they play MIKEL Brown junior, Michael Borter junior, 1138 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.519 and Yegor Joeman together a ton because I think that 1139 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:48.280 there's just a lot of fun things that that they 1140 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.000 could try, especially in the half court. And so this 1141 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.760 is I not that I'm unhappy he had a good 1142 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.800 Summer League, but I was people were sitting there, they 1143 00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.960 reduced the nets this draft down to oh, they drafted 1144 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.840 five point guards, which it was always just an over 1145 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:02.800 like I don't know what Danny Wolf was supposed to be, 1146 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:05.679 but it definitely wasn't a point guard. But I was 1147 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.159 still a believer in Yegorgonuman by the end of last year, 1148 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.400 and so it's now it's now it's like cool and trendy. Uh, 1149 00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.000 you clearly believe in them, but like now it's the 1150 00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:14.719 cool and trendy to pick him as a breakout. He 1151 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.679 would have been I think a Deeper Cup candidate if 1152 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:19.159 Summer League never happens. 1153 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:20.320 Yeah, you know he was. 1154 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.239 He was actually a second team All rookie for me, 1155 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.719 because there is no sixty five game rule for all 1156 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.400 rookie teams, and he only played like fifty two last 1157 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.000 year and he still made the last spout of my 1158 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.239 all rookie team. So I've just like always been a 1159 00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:32.880 fan of Like, if you're big, like I said, if 1160 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:34.360 you're a biguy who can shoot, you're always gonna have 1161 00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:36.599 some kind of value. I think defensively, he's not a 1162 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.920 total disaster despite how solowly is, because he's go pretty 1163 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:39.480 good instincts. 1164 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.880 So like, I just yeah, I just think that like 1165 00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:42.719 he's going to be. 1166 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.960 He is primed to have a much stronger second year 1167 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:49.519 than we saw. Literally, so I'm excited for that. 1168 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:54.039 This pick everyone I think knew was coming. We had 1169 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.360 some early commenters pointed out in the chat that they 1170 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.960 knew it was coming as well, Reed Shepherd of the 1171 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:00.760 Houston Rockets. 1172 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.519 Now this is this is the one I was referencing 1173 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:04.880 at the top. 1174 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.800 One says he needs to be undeniable because imy Udoka 1175 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.239 I didn't think trust even though he played a boatload 1176 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.280 more last year. Imy Yuka clearly didn't trust him with 1177 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.280 the ball in his hands when it mattered most. Now 1178 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.119 you look at the end of that was that Game 1179 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.239 three against the Lakers, and you can understand why the 1180 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.159 man I trust. 1181 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:21.480 Him with the ball. 1182 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.000 It's only gonna get harder for him to break out, 1183 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:28.039 which is why I'm so interested in him. Fred van 1184 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.880 Vliet is healthy. And then this team signed Marcus Smart 1185 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:32.760 for some reason. Who if you think you needed a 1186 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:36.000 reserve ball handler, Marcus Smart really isn't the guy, like 1187 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:37.440 when you look at how much he can still turn 1188 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.039 the ball over when he gets going downhill, or if 1189 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.079 you want him to run a pick and roll up. 1190 00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:44.039 I found that signing. If I if I had Reed 1191 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.480 Shepherd's stock and was ever inclined to sell it, which 1192 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:48.719 I will never, that might have been the move that 1193 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.039 made me sell it, because it's I don't think I'm 1194 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.159 wondering internally how highly they view of him. With that said, 1195 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.800 he looks he looks way smaller on the court than 1196 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.000 he's listed. But my key is, I know it's accounting 1197 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:03.639 stat but here's everyone who through their first two seasons 1198 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:05.920 of basketball and mind Reed Sheepherd did not play a 1199 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.920 ton as a rookie, made as many threes, had as 1200 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.159 many blocks, and had as many steals as Reed Shepherd. 1201 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.960 Tyre's Halliburton Anthony Edwards. That is the end of the list, 1202 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:21.000 and so I think his defensive playmaking. My point here 1203 00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.159 is like, yeah, he's gonna get picked on on defense, 1204 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.519 but he will also come up with these blocks. He 1205 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.639 will come up with these steels in passing lanes or 1206 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.840 even some of the pickpockets. That's valuable, and for a team, 1207 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.760 even more valuable. What I think can make him undeniable 1208 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.679 is the shot making. He doesn't need to be on 1209 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.199 the ball to pull defenders out of the paint. And 1210 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.960 I do think that there's more to plum with him 1211 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.800 on the ball where he's not the most physical ball handler. 1212 00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:48.880 But I need to see it more because this is 1213 00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.599 someone who's in between game. I know what the numbers 1214 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.159 are going to say, but I'm going to trust it, 1215 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:55.480 and I think that he's going to be able to 1216 00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:00.360 hit off the dribble threes. I am not. I think 1217 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.159 I am there. This is more like a free read 1218 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.119 Shepherd segment. I think because I'm increasingly of the belief 1219 00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.519 that it won't happen with the Rockets, But I still 1220 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.320 believe that the player coming into the draft that I 1221 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.519 thought was there and he was number he ended up 1222 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.880 being number one on my big board. This is couch swift. 1223 00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:18.239 Would you like to know who was number two on 1224 00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.119 my big board? That Cody Williams. 1225 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:23.480 Cody Williams guy. 1226 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:26.039 So some might say I was too much of a 1227 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:26.920 Cody Williams guy. 1228 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:27.639 Impossible. 1229 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.320 So this is if you if you forced me to 1230 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.079 make a prediction. Do I think that this is we 1231 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.000 look back? Is like this is the Reed Shepherd breakout year. 1232 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.559 I'm gonna be inclined to say no because I don't 1233 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.599 love the ecosystem. For it's not even I don't love 1234 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:42.840 the ecosystem. I don't know the organization has the same 1235 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.719 trust in him or belief in him that I do. 1236 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.159 Because I think that he could if you said here 1237 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:50.559 you're starting, or here's thirty minutes a game, you're going 1238 00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.920 to be a primary ball handler. I actually think Houston's 1239 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.840 offense would be better off than if they're gonna do 1240 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.679 the you know, we have Katie, Yeah, sure, but we're 1241 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.480 gonna run through Shannghud, have Thompson on the ball, so 1242 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:03.440 we need to then also Fred van Fleet and Marcus 1243 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:05.800 Mart's gonna have to play. I fear he's gonna get 1244 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.000 lost in the shuffle. And I still think he's too 1245 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.880 good for us to be having that discussion, and it 1246 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.280 bugs me that I'm I'm the one who's having it 1247 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.239 with himself at this at this very moment. 1248 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:17.920 Yeah, you know, I think you just touched upon the 1249 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:19.320 crux of it a little bit, right, like is he 1250 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:21.559 ever going to be able to be the point guard? 1251 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.440 And let's remove the Emu Dooka like rocketsness of it all, 1252 00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:26.119 because I do think the one problem that I had 1253 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:27.840 and one of the things I was super disappointed about 1254 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:29.760 him is like the lack of a first step and frankly, 1255 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:31.480 the lack of a handle. Like you pressure him in 1256 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.079 the back court, you're gonna get a turnover as often 1257 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:34.559 as not. And like you know, I don't want to 1258 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:36.960 point to like the playoffs and like some of his 1259 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:38.920 disaster some moments there, but he had he did not 1260 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.920 look good under the spotlights. 1261 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:42.280 And you know, he's a second year player. 1262 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.440 Obviously that's any as somebody who frankly, if I was him, 1263 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:47.239 like I'd be crying every night because my coach hates 1264 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:49.119 me so much, you know, Like that's that has to 1265 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.280 take a mental toll on you. And I still have 1266 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.159 a lot of faith in him long term as a player. 1267 00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:57.519 I don't know if he's just ever gonna be able 1268 00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.639 to be a point guard if he can't like navigate 1269 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:01.360 a picking, and like the shooting is such a weapon, 1270 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.280 maybe he can just generate it that way. But he's 1271 00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:05.559 just so slow and he is such a weak handle 1272 00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.239 right now. I don't know that he can get around 1273 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:08.719 a pick and into the paint and start to like, 1274 00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:10.400 you know, pass. He might end up just having to 1275 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.679 be like almost like an off ball like floor spacer, 1276 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.519 like more of a shooting guard who maybe brings the 1277 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:16.960 ball up to half court, pass it off and then 1278 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.639 stands on the wing if he needs for him to 1279 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.559 make a leap, he needs to show up and look quicker, 1280 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.239 whether that's physically or that's with a tighter handle that 1281 00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.079 will let him compromise the defense in some way. 1282 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:30.280 Yeah, but he never gets to the rim, you. 1283 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:33.320 Know, no one. I don't know does Houston have enough 1284 00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:35.280 shooting even say that, But there is a lot less 1285 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.440 that's part of it. On ball jiggle and joggle, I 1286 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:38.880 would call it. And I thought he was going to 1287 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:40.320 have at this level. 1288 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.199 And not a lot of joggle, that's for sure. 1289 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.599 Even with that, though, still turn the ball over on 1290 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.239 a smaller share of his possessions in the pick and 1291 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.280 roll thing Kevin Duran or onm and Thompson, and so 1292 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:54.320 that is still I do I think he's ever going 1293 00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.719 to be a floor general? No, probably not, but like 1294 00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.519 on the level of like do you consider I don't 1295 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.079 want to compare them to these players, but do you 1296 00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:05.360 consider a Steph Curry or a Kyrie Irving a floor general? 1297 00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:05.920 Yeah? 1298 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:07.920 I think Steph is the right guy to look at 1299 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:09.960 a little bit, right because Steph is somebody who is 1300 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.119 still frankly more athletic I think than Read Shepherd in 1301 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:14.840 terms of like on maall juice, right, but like the 1302 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.000 way he basically opens space for himself is like you 1303 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.719 have to respect me every second half of the ball 1304 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:20.239 because you just never know what I'm gonna launch. And 1305 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.199 Read got so much better at that last year, Like 1306 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.599 even like he just the sheer volume of threes he 1307 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:26.039 was able to get up from very deep I think 1308 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:29.000 was hugely encouraging. That's the key for him, right, Like 1309 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.119 can you shoot from thirty feet consistently? Will you shoot 1310 00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:34.639 consistently from thirty feet because then you can kind of 1311 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.199 ameliorate some of these other physical weaknesses that he has, 1312 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.920 so I think Steph's the right path forward for him, 1313 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:42.519 even acknowledging He's never going to be Steph. 1314 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.119 That's not what I'm saying, but like that is what 1315 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.000 you have to do, I think. 1316 00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:51.480 I Yeah, I just like the read stuff is so funny, man, 1317 00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.039 because like he obviously had a good college season. I 1318 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.000 don't really fall college, like I said, and then sometime 1319 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:57.400 between the end of the college season and the draft, 1320 00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.159 people are like, this guy is going to be, like 1321 00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:01.960 undeniably one of the best offensive players in the game, 1322 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:04.400 and we just haven't seen it. And I do think 1323 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:05.840 to your point, I would just love to see him 1324 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:06.519 outside of Houston. 1325 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:07.679 He may doesn't want him. 1326 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:09.559 I think Fred Van Vliet and Marcus Smart, like you said, 1327 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:11.639 are gonna be ahead of him. Maybe he just ends 1328 00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:13.079 up playing more too, because I think they just need 1329 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:14.599 his shootings so bad, and maybe he just doesn't end 1330 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.320 up being a point guard. 1331 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:18.719 I was hoping if there was gonna be a Jalen 1332 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.239 Brown trade that what didn't involve Giannis. I was hoping 1333 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.639 for some sort of like Jabbari Read for Jalen Brown 1334 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.280 construction to get those two in Boston, because Jabari Smith 1335 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.800 Junior is another guy who I think just has I 1336 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:31.519 think he's underrated now and I think he has more 1337 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:34.400 to show. But yeah, I want Read Shepherd. I want 1338 00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:36.119 Read Shepherd off the rockets at this point. If if 1339 00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:37.719 the opportunity is not going to be either, I want 1340 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:38.559 him on another game. 1341 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.280 Yeah, you know, I do not. I do not share 1342 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:45.320 your optimism around Jabari. But one thing about Read I 1343 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.760 think too is like that will be interesting with him 1344 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.320 with Van Vliet or him next to Smart. Is like, 1345 00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.280 it'd be nice if he could just guard the worst 1346 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.719 defender and spend his entire time on the court gambling. 1347 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:56.360 And that's kind of what he does now, right, but 1348 00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.719 I think it would be easier. I think they are 1349 00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.480 better set up for that because he is just so 1350 00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.199 good with his hands. He's amazing at generating all these 1351 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.840 deflections and turnovers and blocks and seals and stuff, and 1352 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.679 just putting him in the eCos like that is one 1353 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.639 thing I think May has, maybe over one of the 1354 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:14.519 several things he's over penalized for him, is like, yeah, 1355 00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:16.920 we'll get cooked one on one by basically anybody, but 1356 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.480 better defensive ecosystems won't let that happen as much, you know. 1357 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.199 And then they'll play to his strengths a little bit more, 1358 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.119 because I do think it's some of his stuff is spectacular. 1359 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.719 The timing attacking guys when they spin is like amazing. 1360 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.679 So yeah, I don't know. I don't have much else 1361 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.119 to say about read, but I think it is very 1362 00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.840 much a like will his coach let him succeed and 1363 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.840 will he have like the confidence to attack those opportunities, 1364 00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:38.440 because I do think that's been a huge issue for him. 1365 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.920 Understandable, we're pick. 1366 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.800 Number seven, it's all you, who are you take him? 1367 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:48.119 I want to talk about you know what, Let's just 1368 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.199 let's just get a little more in the weeds. I've 1369 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.519 really I've waited a long time. I've been I've been patient. 1370 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.199 I want to talk about Ordan Miller a little bit. 1371 00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.119 Oh, I was curious. You warned that you might pick 1372 00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.079 a Clipper. I was curious which Clipper was going to 1373 00:53:59.159 --> 00:53:59.480 get the not. 1374 00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:01.559 Yeah, really had two guys I was looking at. Both 1375 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:04.280 resigned this offseason by the Clippers. Both guys I have 1376 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.880 a soft spot in my heart for with Jordan Miller 1377 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.639 and Kobe Sanders. And Kobe Sanders real cool player, like 1378 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.559 slick passer, a quick decision maker. You know, sort of 1379 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.039 like Nick Botomi doesn't do it the same way, but 1380 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.199 like the way that Nick Botoos is like very heady 1381 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.880 player who seems to like make the most of the 1382 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.039 stuff that doesn't get, you know, the glory. I think 1383 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.039 that's kind of like what Kobe Sanders could be. But 1384 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.159 Jordan Miller is sort of the opposite, where Jordan Miller 1385 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:29.400 is Like, if you guys haven't watched a lot of 1386 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.000 Jordan Miller, I do recommend you go and look at 1387 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:32.920 his highlight reel. We're just gonna be like, good God, 1388 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.280 who is this guy? Like when he scores, it looks 1389 00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.360 so cool. He's just a steam engine going to the 1390 00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:40.559 to the rack. But it's not because he's super strong, 1391 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:42.760 and it's not because he's super fast. It's not like, uh, 1392 00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.920 like Benig Matherin. Actually, I think the vin diagram of 1393 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.760 their outcomes is very similar, but they do it so differently. 1394 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.199 Where Matherin's just like all shoulder and muscle and Miller 1395 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.679 is like the shiftiest handle, does all these crazy things 1396 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.840 with the ball, amazing footwork, and he lives at the rim, 1397 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:58.280 draws a ton of fouls. 1398 00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:59.119 He drew more. 1399 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.559 Fouls like his foul right drawn was higher than Austin 1400 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.679 Reeves last year. Like he's just amazing at it, and 1401 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.079 uh yeah, he gets a little television ing. I think 1402 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:08.760 he's a pretty good defender when he wants to be. 1403 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:10.400 He just needs to be locked in a little bit 1404 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:11.920 more great offensive rebounder. 1405 00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.960 But like I love guys. I love guards or wings 1406 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:16.559 who can get to the rim over and over again. 1407 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.199 Like I think those are the most exciting plays in basketball, 1408 00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:19.719 are dribble drives at the rim, Right that's where you 1409 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:21.239 have the aerial combat. That's where you have the fun 1410 00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.239 finishes and the blocks and the dunks and everything cool. 1411 00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:25.559 But so this guy shots seventy one percent of the rim. 1412 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:28.199 The three pointer was okay, but the volume is too 1413 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:29.719 low to be reliable right now. I think that's his 1414 00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.400 next step if if Miller comes out and he's able 1415 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.079 to look a little more confident from beyond the arc, 1416 00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:35.880 and he retains all the stuff that keeps him special. 1417 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.960 Like I just think that, like the Clippers are gonna 1418 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.559 need some downhill pressure. It can't only be like, you know, 1419 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.360 Ben Matheren basically is the main guy for that right now. 1420 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:46.440 Who knows if he's if he's even on the yeah. 1421 00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:49.199 Yeah, So like I think Jordan Miller has a potential 1422 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:51.159 opportunity to like come in and just like take like 1423 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.840 the battering ram roll and like let's just get into 1424 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:55.639 the paint and get to the rack over and over 1425 00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:55.960 and over again. 1426 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:57.400 It's just a lot of fun to watch him play. 1427 00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.639 Where do you land on? What was he at thirty 1428 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.760 four and a half percent on three last year? 1429 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:04.400 Yeah, and it was like three and a half for 1430 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:06.920 thirty six, So like that that has to get better. 1431 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.559 I think it will get better. His SHOT's kind of weird, 1432 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:11.840 it's kind of slow, but those are things that. 1433 00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.000 Like mechanically can be fixed. 1434 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.159 He's not like broken, you know, and I think that, 1435 00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:19.800 uh for a youngish guy. He's not super young, but 1436 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.360 he's young enough that he can still improve there. I mean, hey, 1437 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.760 we're talking about a two time Summer League first teamer, okay, 1438 00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:28.239 All Summer League first Team Jordan Miller. So let's put 1439 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.039 some respect on his name, you know, like he's he's 1440 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:33.199 he's got the accolades that people are looking for. Oh 1441 00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.079 and also he really needs to improve his right hand. 1442 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:36.480 I would say that's the other thing he can get better. 1443 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:39.480 He's so lefty dominant, but I think he's really fun 1444 00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:41.639 to watch, and I just like guys who are just 1445 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:45.159 like you know, like rim guided missiles are are fun 1446 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:45.519 to watch. 1447 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.159 So the one thing I'll say is as a lefty, 1448 00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:49.920 there's no such thing as too lefty dominant. 1449 00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:52.199 Just want to put that out on the record. 1450 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:56.159 But I would almost want to see, like put in 1451 00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.440 it what they're projected starting fun Let's assume the Qua 1452 00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:00.840 trade goes through and Mather in his back. 1453 00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:02.440 They're projected starting five. 1454 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:07.920 Would be what garland Ingram Hotchi Mora Lopez? Does that 1455 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.679 sound right? As the four? Like penciling in locks? 1456 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.280 Uh? And you said Woggler, right, I. 1457 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.320 Didn't say Woggler, but I'm curious. I I kind of 1458 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:18.480 almost would love to see can we put Miller in 1459 00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:20.920 there instead of I love Woggler too much? Can we 1460 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:23.400 put Miller in there instead of more? Because that would 1461 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:24.880 be the type of lineup where feels like he could 1462 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:28.360 technically thrive because you have spacing, yeah, basically every position. Then, 1463 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:30.719 I mean, insofar as brand Ingram is a space is. 1464 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:32.800 The argument against the Jordan Miller breakout right, It's like 1465 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.239 they kind of have a lot of combo ish guards 1466 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:37.880 or like two threes, you know, like they've got Woggler, 1467 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.199 they got probably been Mather, and they still have Chris Dunn, 1468 00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.679 who plays an important role on this team. They might 1469 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:44.760 have Brandon Ingram, who I think is not going to 1470 00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:48.559 be as clean of a fit for Miller and Kobe 1471 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:50.719 Sanders frankly plays kind of a similar role. Grady that 1472 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.639 could play a similar role if he comes over. So like, 1473 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.079 I do think that, like the issue is like there's 1474 00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:56.480 just a lot of guys who are all like. 1475 00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.920 Kind of at the same level ish, you know where 1476 00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:00.320 like the minutes could be hard to fine. 1477 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.920 But Miller's like my favorit guy to watch out of 1478 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.679 all those guys. So, you know, barring whatever we see 1479 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.280 from Keaton, like I said, I have no opinion on 1480 00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.199 him yet, so uh but I just like him. 1481 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:12.440 That's right, you have, you have a comment. We need 1482 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.079 to get to uh off to soccer. But make sure 1483 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:18.239 you guys spend forty five minutes on hardcore. Mike, big fan, Dan, 1484 00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:19.119 You're okay. 1485 00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.559 To thank you appreciate it. 1486 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:22.159 Yeah. 1487 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:23.960 On an unrelated note, we're looking for a new co 1488 00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.719 host hardware Ox, So if anyone wants to apply, you 1489 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:30.480 can our emails in our in our bio. Grant has 1490 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.119 been like, I don't have that power. 1491 00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:34.000 But Grant has been let go for calling me just 1492 00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:38.320 okay my next pick. I don't want to go into 1493 00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:39.840 the weeds yet. I guess for some. 1494 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.800 I'm gonna go with. I have two wizards on my list. 1495 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:49.360 I guess I technically have three, but I have I'm 1496 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.079 gonna go with the wizard I'm most confident in. Yes, 1497 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:56.880 probably probably would have had a breakout year already had 1498 00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:59.480 he never gotten injured, could have been qualified. But Keishan 1499 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.400 George last year was cut short for him with his injury. 1500 00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:05.079 I think the on. 1501 00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:09.079 Ball opportunity he got better not be there. Just when 1502 00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:11.360 you're looking at who is on this team, Alex Are, 1503 00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.280 Anthony Davis AJ DEMANTSA. This team needs. 1504 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:19.440 Shooting. It needs shooting like that spacing. 1505 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.400 If you're gonna play Sarr and Anthony Davis together, or 1506 00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:22.880 even if it's sar and eight and it seems like 1507 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.920 they're gonna play more duel big, you need shooting, especially 1508 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.039 if you're still gonna play a bunch of block pool bati. 1509 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.119 I don't know how to feel about Keishon George defensively 1510 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:34.199 just yet, other than Will Riley was another candidate for me, 1511 00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.480 and I feel better about Keishawn George's defense than I 1512 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:38.280 do Will Riley's defense. 1513 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:39.840 He was. 1514 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.280 When you're looking at the players who ranked in the 1515 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.559 same percentile of catch and shoot three point efficiency last 1516 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.400 year as well as matchup difficulty on the defensive end, 1517 00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:51.360 you only get five other guys who played as many 1518 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:55.880 minutes as Keishon George, Niki, Alexander Walker, Max Christy, Peyton Watson, 1519 00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:59.800 Jade McDaniels. We just talked about him and another player 1520 00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:01.039 who it's on my list. I'm sure I'm going to 1521 01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.000 take him a Jahen Tyson they need. I think his 1522 01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:06.840 role on offense piling needs become a little bit more streamlined. 1523 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.400 But he quietly shot thirty five percent on off the 1524 01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:13.760 dribble threes last year. I think this is someone who 1525 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:15.159 doesn't need to have the ball in his hands though, 1526 01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:16.960 for that three point stroke to translate into take it 1527 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:18.719 in high volume. And so if I'm looking at someone 1528 01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:21.559 who we look back and say, oh, he held up 1529 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.079 his own defensively, and he kind of fell into those 1530 01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.679 like sixteen plus points per game, shooting thirty seven thirty 1531 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.440 eight percent from three on good volume while Also maybe 1532 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.280 he's still picking up three or four assists a game 1533 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:35.079 because he's moving the ball quickly, being more of a 1534 01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:38.280 connector guy than they had him, running a lot more stuff. So, 1535 01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:39.880 by the way, if Trey Young's not on this team, 1536 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:41.880 I'm probably still picking kish On George. I'm probably more 1537 01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:45.000 in Bolden to pick him. That's my wizard's pick, though. 1538 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:46.960 I don't know if I landed on the right wizard though, 1539 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:48.239 because they have a few candidates. 1540 01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:51.800 So yeah, So I always have a weird obsession with 1541 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:53.639 the Wizards. I think they always have just like fun guys, 1542 01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:55.719 they most of them end up not being good. I 1543 01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.239 think Kishon George is the exception. Are you a fan 1544 01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:00.760 of Hitchecker's Guide to the Galaxy, Dan, I have. 1545 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:02.440 Never seen it already. 1546 01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:04.760 I'd say started as a book. Everyone should read it. 1547 01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:06.840 Douglas Adams seminal science fiction book. 1548 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:07.440 Hilarious. 1549 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.400 But there is a whole bit in in the book 1550 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.920 in the series really about how the most useful item 1551 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.840 in the universe is a towel. All right, because you're 1552 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:20.119 gonna towe to keep yourself warm, you use as clothes. 1553 01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:21.960 In a pinch, you can put dip it in water 1554 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:23.840 and roll it up and use it as a handheld weapon. 1555 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.599 There's basically nothing you can't do with a towel. And 1556 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:29.199 I had a whole article early last year comparing Keishan 1557 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:30.199 George to a towel. 1558 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.480 There's like, there's like nothing this guy can't do. 1559 01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:38.960 And I didn't have him on my list because I 1560 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.679 think his ideal role and you alluded to this is 1561 01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:46.159 like compressed into a smaller role. Like all his winning qualities, 1562 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:48.639 of which are abundant, I think compressed it into a 1563 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:50.880 smaller role. He's going to be next to Trey and 1564 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:55.480 Anthony Davis and Dabantsa and you know, all sorts of guys, 1565 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:57.719 and I think, like to your point, he's not going 1566 01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.159 to have that same on ball responsibility. I think he's 1567 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.039 an amazing passer. He's a little over aggressive. I think 1568 01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.239 he's got great vision. Sometimes he tries passes he can't. 1569 01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.000 He had a terrible turnover rate when he was the 1570 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:07.840 primary point guard. 1571 01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.159 I love that though. I like it. I like it 1572 01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:13.320 when you throw passes you shouldn't and in your first 1573 01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:15.440 like two or three years in the league, I'm like, 1574 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:18.159 hashtag try stuff that. Then when we get like year 1575 01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:19.960 four and year five is when I'll start being concerned 1576 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:20.400 about it. 1577 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.320 Yeah, like he's he's a he's a great passer, he's 1578 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:23.760 a great as you allude to, he's a great catch 1579 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:28.079 and shoot uh finisher in that regard. He dramatically improved 1580 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:29.960 in the second year in terms of just like his 1581 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.519 array of finishing at the rim. So it's not just 1582 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.719 that like his percentage went up, which you did. It 1583 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:37.639 was like he was doing things he never could have 1584 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.119 even tried his rookie year, which I find very encouraging. 1585 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:43.119 And I think he's a really good defender. 1586 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:44.119 Like I think he's. 1587 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.519 Very good on ball and off ball, and he's that 1588 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:49.840 nice little flex where like he can guard a huge 1589 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.679 range of positions and be totally fine. So I think 1590 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:54.440 he's just so well rounded. He's such a jack of 1591 01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.079 all trades. If this was a guy that was on 1592 01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:59.199 like the Celtics or you know, or a really good team, 1593 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:01.320 we'd be talking about him. Is like maybe a poor 1594 01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.599 man's Derek White. Like I think that's like kind of 1595 01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.599 like his ceiling as a role player. But I do 1596 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:09.079 think his best ceiling is as a role player, and 1597 01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:10.480 he was a little more than that last year, which 1598 01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:12.239 is probably a little bit more than we want, which 1599 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:14.159 is why I didn't really have him as a breakout candidate. 1600 01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:17.360 But I am happy to wax about, you know, keishon 1601 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:18.480 George for as long as you want me to, because 1602 01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:19.239 I just think he's awesome. 1603 01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.400 Yeah, I worry too, like, are there going to be 1604 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:25.159 able to be any more levels to his offensive game 1605 01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:26.760 now with the way the Wizards are So if you 1606 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:29.639 mentioned the finishing at the rim and it wasn't like 1607 01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:31.880 he took I think he had one point five shots 1608 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:34.480 at the rim in the half court last year per game. 1609 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.039 I can't imagine that number is gonna go up with 1610 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.599 the spacing that they're worked with, maybe having Trey Young there. 1611 01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.360 He did at last year either a little to be fair, right, 1612 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.519 and he was the primary initiator so many times. A 1613 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:46.400 lot of that was like self created shots at the rim. 1614 01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:47.800 So it'll be interesting to see him be more of 1615 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:48.480 a cutter again. 1616 01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:52.920 Yeah that too, but yeah, that was that might be wishing. 1617 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.719 Did I pick the right wizard though, is a question 1618 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:54.960 of them. 1619 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:56.199 I had a different guy on my listen, it wasn't 1620 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:57.679 any of the people you talked about. I thought about 1621 01:03:57.679 --> 01:03:59.760 Will Riley. I just think there's gonna be not enough 1622 01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:01.360 chance for him to get there. They're gonna kind of 1623 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.400 have a lot of guys who are offense oriented, you know. 1624 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.920 But I'm just like fascinated to see year three of 1625 01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.480 Alex Sar. I'm not really predicting a breakout because I 1626 01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:11.519 think having Anthony Davis in the way, and I think 1627 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:13.719 they have a lot of overlapping qualities is going to 1628 01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:15.440 hold him back. But I also don't think any Davis 1629 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:15.800 is going. 1630 01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:16.320 To be there all year. 1631 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:18.360 Either he's gonna get hurt, or he's gonna get traded, 1632 01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:20.360 or he's gonna be grumpy because he didn't get the 1633 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.639 mask extension he wanted or whatever. Even though given what 1634 01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:24.159 they just give a trade young, he probably will get that. 1635 01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:28.440 So what do I know. But like, assuming that they 1636 01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:28.880 move on. 1637 01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:32.480 From uh, just ignore my role of painters tape I'm 1638 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:34.639 playing with here to fiddle with, But just assuming that 1639 01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:36.599 they move on from Andy Davis at some point, for 1640 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.280 one reason or another, people really slept on Alex Sarr 1641 01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:40.719 last year. Like this is a guy who had such 1642 01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.559 pronounced strengths and weaknesses as a rookie. I think, you know, 1643 01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:46.599 he was so heavily criticized for folding like an iron 1644 01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:48.360 every time anyone got near him, right, like he would 1645 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:49.679 just flop to the floor all the time. 1646 01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:51.039 And he's still. 1647 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.400 Hardly like the stoutest dude, but he got so much 1648 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:55.559 better in that regard. Like I just think that, like 1649 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.360 he's so much stronger than he was, and I anticipated 1650 01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.360 him being stronger again. In year three. You know, he 1651 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.719 was became a much better two point shooter. The three 1652 01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:05.519 pointer he actually dialed back a little bit in a 1653 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:07.000 good way. I think, like he's not quite a good 1654 01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:09.440 enough shooter yet where like that's a true weapon, but 1655 01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:12.920 I think it can be. So I I he's becoming, 1656 01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:14.880 you know, an elite shot blocker, one of the best 1657 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:17.480 in the league. He became much better rebounding and become 1658 01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:20.159 much better boxer outer, so not just in getting the rebounds, 1659 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:22.039 but like in physically like putting his ass into guys 1660 01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:23.480 and moving them out of the way. I think, again, 1661 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:26.079 not his strength per se, but it was a huge 1662 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:27.880 glaring weakness and now it's not. 1663 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:29.360 Now it's just like a thing he can do, which 1664 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:32.239 I appreciate. So he needs to keep improving. 1665 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.760 He already was scoring like sixteen points a game last year, 1666 01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.239 which is like pretty high on a team that's gonna 1667 01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:37.639 have a lot of scores. Like maybe he can't go 1668 01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:39.199 that much higher from that with the ad there, But 1669 01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:41.760 I just like Sar, I'm always intrigued by guys who 1670 01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:44.760 take dramatic year one to year two leaps, and I 1671 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:46.000 want to see I want to see what the future 1672 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:47.239 holds for him in the Wizards. Like I think this 1673 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:49.480 Anthony Davis thing is, like I was so excited about 1674 01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:52.400 the Wizards last year, man, I like, I really love 1675 01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:54.800 the way they're going. I even defended the Tray Young 1676 01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:56.800 and the Anthony Davis moves, and I'm like, oh, great 1677 01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:59.719 Bridge Stars, you know, like keep them for a year 1678 01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:01.960 maybe two, and they're gonna be so helpful to guide 1679 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.480 in the next era of like great Wizards of basketball. 1680 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:08.639 And it's nothing base well yet until the contract for 1681 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:10.159 Trailer cost basically now. 1682 01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:11.360 Like what are we doing? 1683 01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:13.800 Are we back in bad Wizards management again? Given this 1684 01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.199 horrible contract to Trail And I'm a huge Trey Young believer, 1685 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:18.280 like I probably top ten percent of in that regard, 1686 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:19.760 and I'm still like, that's one of the worst contracts 1687 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:20.119 in the league. 1688 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:21.360 Like, immediately, what are we doing? 1689 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:24.519 Yes, what's I think if you were gonna defend it. 1690 01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:27.199 Anthony Davis needs to not be on the roster because 1691 01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:28.800 you could argue, well, look he look at what he 1692 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:31.000 can do for Alex. Who is Alex ar played alongside? 1693 01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:32.679 Is gonna be able to get him the ball inside 1694 01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:34.559 the arc the way that Trey Young can? The answer 1695 01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:38.360 is no, one's come even remotely close to being that guy. 1696 01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:40.760 And but no, now Anthony Davis is here, so like, 1697 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:42.840 is Alex are gonna have to be strictly a spacer? 1698 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.559 That's what I worry about Len too. And then the 1699 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.199 other thing as well is just I don't know why 1700 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:50.920 Chris Middleton is necessarily on this I must say like that, 1701 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.039 but like the just the weird peppering of these vets 1702 01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:56.840 whose timelines run counter it's is, is Chris Middleton gonna 1703 01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.039 be taking away from Keshaw Georgia will Riley's minutes? 1704 01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:00.480 Is that something we're gonna be job? 1705 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:03.920 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree with that. 1706 01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.280 I don't really I was so excited about this team 1707 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:08.920 six months ago and five months ago, and now I'm 1708 01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:12.760 just like a lot my my enthusiasm has tempered significantly 1709 01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:15.159 and uh, we'll see. But and like the debans of 1710 01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.599 it all is really the number. Davis is probably the 1711 01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:19.719 number one question. Devance is number two, right, Like how 1712 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:22.920 much of a usage burden can he shoulder effectively right 1713 01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:23.280 off the back? 1714 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:25.679 Because the Wizards are not going to be like trying 1715 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:26.000 to lose. 1716 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:27.880 They're not They're not okay losing is what I should 1717 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.840 say now, Like there are real expectations for this team 1718 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:31.639 to get out there and at least compete for like, 1719 01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:33.400 you know, a seven cy or whatever, and I think 1720 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:35.079 they can do it, but they need a lot to 1721 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:36.880 go right. And frankly, for talking about the Lizards, not 1722 01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:38.280 a lot has gone right for these guys in the past. 1723 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:39.079 So we'll see. 1724 01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:42.199 Uh, we're at this is I've miscounted for This is 1725 01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:44.679 pick number ten in the draft. So all right, fifth 1726 01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:46.400 overall pick? I believe who would you like to select? 1727 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:48.039 Right finish by tomorrow? So that's exciting. 1728 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:52.519 Uh, let's see here do we want to talk about? 1729 01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:54.320 You already mentioned him? So why don't we talk about 1730 01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:55.000 Jalen Tyson? 1731 01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:57.199 Oh he's on your I don't know if I was 1732 01:07:57.199 --> 01:07:58.079 gonna pick him, but he was. 1733 01:07:58.199 --> 01:07:59.280 He was obviously on my list. 1734 01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:01.719 Yeah, yeah, you got the graphic pulled up for it 1735 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:03.519 and everything. So I love that you're You're very snappy 1736 01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:05.159 with these. I'm impressed with the production here on the 1737 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:07.119 on the fly because we did not coordinate these ahead 1738 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:07.360 of time. 1739 01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:08.840 Everybody watching and listening. 1740 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:11.639 So oh, I know, I appreciate you saying con words because, 1741 01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.079 as you see, my co host just throws mediocre platitudes 1742 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:14.840 at me and it's. 1743 01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:15.000 Good for me. 1744 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:17.279 You go, So you're welcome back anytime, Mike Nice. 1745 01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:19.720 Nice, Yeah, I know how to flatter my audience here. 1746 01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.760 Uh yeah, So, like, first off, I don't understand what's 1747 01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.039 going on with the Mario Hiszonia stuff where like they 1748 01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:27.520 signed them. Maybe it's all subterfuge, so you could have 1749 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:29.399 a contract and go back to Europe, but the NBA 1750 01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:31.680 is like you better not do that, but the contract's 1751 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:33.399 non guaranteed on until November fifte. 1752 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:36.000 I still don't understand what the benefit of that would 1753 01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.079 be for the Calves doing his agent a solid. 1754 01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:40.600 I think that's all it was, was like, yeah, they're 1755 01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:42.039 just doing somebody a favor, and like who knows. May 1756 01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:44.520 Mario Hozzonia goes in there and like, looks, Banana's good 1757 01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:46.159 and they all want to keep them for longer because 1758 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:50.000 like but yeah, I don't know. I I the NBA 1759 01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:51.680 came out pretty strongly against this, and so now it 1760 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:53.319 seems like maybe he will stick around for the year. 1761 01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:54.239 But I'll believe it when I see it. 1762 01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:57.039 This also feels fake to me, So the Jalen Tyson thing, 1763 01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:00.000 like how many people you know? Obviously everybody watching them, 1764 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:02.319 this is like an NBA sicko and knows everything. So 1765 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:04.479 but like, how many you know, casual fans know that 1766 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:06.880 Jalen Tyson averaged fifteen points per game as a starter 1767 01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:10.039 last year, Probably not that many. Like he was legitimately 1768 01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:13.039 very useful on both ends, shut made He didn't shoot 1769 01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:14.479 a ton of threes, but they didn't shoot a zero 1770 01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.680 amount and made forty five percent of them. He's an 1771 01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:20.159 amazing offensive rebounder. He's kind of a little chaotic defensively 1772 01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.000 in a way I think is good for the Cavs, 1773 01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:26.000 although not in the playoffs. Kenny Akinson benched him so quick, 1774 01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:27.840 and I think that's part of my problem here is, like, 1775 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:29.880 you know, he went from a huge part, an important 1776 01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.000 part of the rotation, started half the games for the 1777 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:33.880 team last year, and then like Strus came back and 1778 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:36.520 it took like one mediocre playoff game and Kennygkins is like, 1779 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:39.000 all right, back to the bench with the Tyson. But hey, 1780 01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:43.159 he's another year older, another year more mature. Carden's another 1781 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.399 year older. I don't know that movie has like a 1782 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.560 huge offensive leap in him. I kind of think that 1783 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.600 there's room here for Tyson, like come in, spread his wings. 1784 01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:53.359 He'll have to beat out like you know, Strus or 1785 01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:55.279 whatever whoever else is out there, but I think like 1786 01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:56.800 there's room for him to come in and be like, hey, 1787 01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:57.960 this is my spot. 1788 01:09:58.079 --> 01:09:58.880 I'm gonna take it. 1789 01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:01.560 And if he does, I think there's absolutely Like he 1790 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.359 scored fifteen a game last year, he should be better 1791 01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:05.159 this year in theory, just given the agent curve, right, 1792 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:07.920 so like I think he could be a real player. 1793 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:09.560 That we're talking about is like, hey, the Calves fifth 1794 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:11.359 player is no longer a weakness. That's what I think 1795 01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:13.319 would be the dream outcome for the Calves and for Tyson. 1796 01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:14.960 Right is like they're like, hey, this is we have 1797 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.119 a rock solid starting five where every player in a 1798 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:19.680 vacuum and you can talk about the fit, but every 1799 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:21.800 player in a vacuum is like at least you know, 1800 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:25.000 average to above average for their position, and that's I 1801 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.000 think that is absolutely within the realm of possibility. 1802 01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:29.920 Great pick. He's I also think he's kind of a 1803 01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:32.359 sneaky offensive rebounder, which would be great for them to 1804 01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:36.359 have ye at those winging spots. My concern, in addition 1805 01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:39.600 to everything you outlaid, the links to Jonathan Kaminga make 1806 01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:41.680 me wildly uncomfortable because if this team ends up with 1807 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:43.840 Jonathan Kmeninga, I just assume he's going to be ahead 1808 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:45.239 of Tyson in the rotation, which to me is a 1809 01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:47.960 mistake because Mike my question, if I would have picked him, 1810 01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:50.960 this would have been my justification for his breakout. Who 1811 01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:53.920 is the best wing defender on this team? And if 1812 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:55.880 the answer is Evan Mobley, let it be the non 1813 01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:56.920 Evan Mobley division. 1814 01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:58.399 I think it's going to be Tyson. 1815 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:02.359 I like it he would be the other candidate. I 1816 01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:05.520 just don't like you look at the rosters, so they need. 1817 01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:07.359 It'd be Isaacakorro from two years ago? 1818 01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:09.439 Right? Can they get him back from the bulls or 1819 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:11.960 what are we talking about? Is Nikwon Tomlin? Is he 1820 01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:13.359 gonna be a candidate here? So? 1821 01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.159 He kind of a fun summer league though, keep an 1822 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:15.680 eye on that. 1823 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.159 Uh, I they need. I hope he gets the opportunity 1824 01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:23.840 necessary to like actualize a breakout. I think his role, 1825 01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:26.079 of course offensively always need to be boxed in. But 1826 01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:28.159 like you said, the three point percentage was high enough, 1827 01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:30.239 and he is I don't I don't know what the 1828 01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.399 book on him was coming out of college, but defensively 1829 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:35.800 he's totally impressed me, like he's been a little bit. 1830 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:37.279 Is he listed at six to six, and it feels 1831 01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:39.920 like he defends a little bit bigger than that. And 1832 01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:43.359 also just he does have because they do need. I mean, 1833 01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:45.359 I love Malik Thomas, though he's not I'm not gonna 1834 01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.479 pick a rookie, but like watching Malik Thomas take like 1835 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:51.199 the most secuitest possible routes to the basket in Summer 1836 01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:53.359 League was like one of my favorite like film watches. 1837 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:55.840 They need kind of another ball handler because I don't 1838 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.399 I'm not a Denis Shuder guy. John Tyson has some 1839 01:11:58.439 --> 01:11:59.680 of that. I don't know if he could jump start 1840 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:01.520 the off, but I'd be interested to see him with 1841 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.159 some more on ball reps. 1842 01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:05.039 I don't think would be available. 1843 01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:06.720 On this team, but if he's gonna hit threes and 1844 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:10.039 defend his ass, off I have like, right now, I 1845 01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:11.399 get would he start for them? 1846 01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:12.800 Because I who I know? 1847 01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:14.960 Struce is there, I like Strews, I like Sam Merrill, 1848 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:18.079 and Meryll probably fights harder on defense, and people give 1849 01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:21.079 him credit for Strews has good stocks. I'd say, yeah, yeah, 1850 01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.960 but I'd like, I don't know, I'd prefer for what 1851 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:27.039 the Cavs is starting lineup already has. I guess the 1852 01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:29.800 higher volume from three for Merril and Struce around guys 1853 01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:31.880 like Mitchell and Harden and then even the dual bigs. 1854 01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:35.239 Maybe that makes more sense. But if we're talking closing lineups, 1855 01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:38.199 I could probably make a pretty impassionate case that Jalen 1856 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:41.159 Tyson needs to be the most common fifth guy again 1857 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:43.000 relative to the current roster construction. 1858 01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:45.079 Yeah, it's gonna be, you know, I think this is 1859 01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:46.319 one of those things where like there's gonna be a 1860 01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:48.520 real training camp battle, and if Tyson comes out on 1861 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.920 top and he earns the coaches trust, I think that's it. 1862 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:52.199 Right. 1863 01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:53.760 The stage is set round to be as if he's 1864 01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:55.319 reverted back to like a sixth man thing that he's 1865 01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:57.199 just gonna be two boxed in to really take advantage. 1866 01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.039 But I think that like I think the stage for 1867 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:01.359 him to take big lead for he's he's a little 1868 01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.199 bit older than people realize, I think, but like he's 1869 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:05.439 just ready to go. I think he's ready for a 1870 01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:07.039 bigger role and I'm excited to see it. I do 1871 01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:08.800 have one you brought up, Summer Lea. I did have 1872 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:10.800 a funy Jalen Tyson the Summer League story which I 1873 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:12.720 saw him, you know, as a rookiear Summer Lea and 1874 01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:14.039 I sit next to a buddy mine. He's not really 1875 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.000 like a big, big basketball fan. What was just there 1876 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:18.399 to hang out and we watched Dalen Tyson started at 1877 01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:20.239 point guard for the Cats summer League team, and he 1878 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:23.000 started the game with three straight turnovers at like half court, 1879 01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:25.800 like getting pickpocketed, like dribbling off his foot, and my 1880 01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:26.479 buddy's just like. 1881 01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:28.159 Who is that guy? He sucks? 1882 01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:31.079 And the entire row in front of us turns around 1883 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.520 and they're all wearing like University of Washington polos and stuff. 1884 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:37.039 It was like teammates and they alays around stared daggers 1885 01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:39.960 at my buddy. We should have read the room a little. 1886 01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:43.520 Bits a wild time for the for the people that 1887 01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:44.479 get to run point guard. 1888 01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:47.319 At some point in summer league thing. 1889 01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:49.039 Usually if you're the point guard at summer league and 1890 01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:50.680 you're not typically a point guard, it means your team 1891 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:52.560 is putting in a position to fail. You know, It's 1892 01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:54.560 like they want you to stretch yourself. They don't expect 1893 01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:55.960 you to become an NBA point guard, but they want 1894 01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:57.720 you to get more comfortable, like handling the ball, and 1895 01:13:57.720 --> 01:13:59.439 most of those guys aren't. And again, you're in a 1896 01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:01.279 summer league situation where like there isn't a lot of 1897 01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:03.199 offensive structure, so like guys aren't. 1898 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:04.399 Always sitting screens in the right places. 1899 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:06.720 People don't know the playbook if there is a playbook, 1900 01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:08.199 and yeah, you will look bad if you are not 1901 01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:08.640 a point guard. 1902 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:09.960 You're playing point gard in summer league. 1903 01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:14.720 My next pick, I feel like I shouldn't pick him, 1904 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.199 but I'm going to because I'm just a believer, and 1905 01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:19.560 we talked about him a little bit before we jumped 1906 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:22.439 on the podcast. I think Dylan Cardwell, the Sacramento Kings 1907 01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:25.600 love it. I don't know what type of opportunity is 1908 01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:27.960 going to be available to him if Sabonus is healthy. 1909 01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:30.239 They do seem pretty invested in Maxime Reino. They re 1910 01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:34.479 sign precious Tochua. They also did end up with after 1911 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.239 the draft. They have Alex carabin or Caribin. Apologies if 1912 01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:43.039 I'm mispronouncing that, but man, I love Dyling card Well one, 1913 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:45.359 and I did mention this to you his comments at 1914 01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.359 summer League, like they give a fuck factor for him 1915 01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:49.880 at summer League, Like he's already in the NBA and 1916 01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:51.840 was kind of a nice little story lester for the Kings. 1917 01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:54.720 But for him to care that deeply about body language 1918 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:55.239 and effort in. 1919 01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:57.359 Summer League, I just I favor it. I love it. 1920 01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:00.680 That stuff is sick, oh af I look at him 1921 01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:03.119 a lot of people when they look at these bigs 1922 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.279 who might be able to play some four, play some five, 1923 01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:07.079 Are they gonna shoot threes? 1924 01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:07.279 And me? 1925 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.119 The answered Dylan cardmell is, I don't like he's not 1926 01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:11.600 a three point shooter, but I'm very interested to see 1927 01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:15.039 like he's done some things in as an offensive rebounder 1928 01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:16.720 with getting rid of the ball after that sometimes he 1929 01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:19.000 could have these weird hook shots after grabbing them that 1930 01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:21.479 I'm not in love with the stuff. I think there's 1931 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:22.920 more for him have the short role. If you can 1932 01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.560 give him just a little bit of spacing, he can 1933 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:28.279 make like play decisions out of the short role. I 1934 01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.479 also do he's flashed some like short mid range game. 1935 01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:34.399 I think he's an Okaye creator. I just think there's 1936 01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:38.119 more utility on offense, like he'll do enough of the 1937 01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:41.039 little things to where if you do have another floor 1938 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:42.840 spacing big, you could play with another big or I 1939 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.000 actually am a big believer in him being like being 1940 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:46.359 able to be your primary big. 1941 01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.039 You look at data, Baller has. 1942 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:50.680 One of my what has become one of my favorite 1943 01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:53.640 stats where you're looking at stop percentage where it's like 1944 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.479 per one hundred possessions of steels, offensive fouls drawn, and 1945 01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.520 then blocks that were actually recovered by your team. Here's 1946 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.680 the nine percentile of that stat last year. I think 1947 01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.079 he can hang a little bit on the perimeter as well. 1948 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:07.960 The rim protection numbers are mostly fine. This is a 1949 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:09.520 guy who I don't think is ever going to be 1950 01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:13.279 dominant in any one area, but check so many boxes 1951 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:17.199 and maybe won't be a noticeable liability in any one area. 1952 01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:20.920 I want a team to just come in and save him, 1953 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:24.720 because this is this is the Kings. But I like 1954 01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.760 how married are they actually to like the other like 1955 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.720 bigs or fringe bigs on this roster, we can't really 1956 01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:32.680 tell Keegan Murray is there. So if he's gonna soak 1957 01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:35.439 up a majority minutes at the four, Cardinal's gonna have to, 1958 01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:38.640 like I would say, edge out Reno in the rotation, 1959 01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:41.239 which I right now I think he's just better than 1960 01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:42.840 re No would be just one of my hot rain 1961 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:44.640 No seems like he came out of nowhere. People gravitate 1962 01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:47.000 towards Oh look at the look at the offensive range. 1963 01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:48.199 Reino didn't look that great. 1964 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.159 N got the Zach low bump a little bit there 1965 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:53.239 right Like Zach low came out singing his praises, me 1966 01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:54.439 like this guy needs to be all a rookie, and 1967 01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:55.920 feel like, oh yeah, this guy I'd never heard of 1968 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:57.119 himtil Zach Loow mentioned him. 1969 01:16:57.159 --> 01:16:58.720 Yeah, he deserves to be all rookie for sure. 1970 01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.640 I I find I heard this years ago. It was 1971 01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:06.000 on Twitter, and it made me rethink, like I stop 1972 01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:08.520 and think, why do I feel a certain way is 1973 01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:10.600 you don't want to become a parrot for somebody else? 1974 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:12.479 And I think Zach Lowe has probably had like more 1975 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:14.880 influence over how I might look at the league or 1976 01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:15.520 talk about the. 1977 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.439 League than anyone while coming up. 1978 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.439 And so before I'm doing something that feels so if 1979 01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:21.880 it's like mainstream and you just know it, like I 1980 01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.479 was picking Dylan Harper's a breakout candidate, but this would 1981 01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:26.600 be one of the people I would stop, like, why 1982 01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:28.520 do I feel this way? If I watched enough dealing 1983 01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:30.560 card well or did Zach Loow mention them on a podcast? 1984 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:32.680 And you're right, I forgot that. I think zach Loow 1985 01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:35.800 had like two maximum Reno monologues at the end of 1986 01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:36.439 last season. 1987 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:38.880 So you know, it's funny because I did a uh 1988 01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:41.239 this is a couple of years ago for Hoops type actually, 1989 01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:43.880 but I did an analysis of like the way that 1990 01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:47.880 MVP voting has changed and concentrated over time, and it 1991 01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:50.359 was basically trying to be like, what's the echo chamber 1992 01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:53.439 effect here? Like what is this like a bias where like, 1993 01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:56.079 you know, now we see MVP races and they're never close, 1994 01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:58.600 they're always blowouts, and there's never a tale of candidates 1995 01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:00.560 right like this, it's always all the votes are concentrated 1996 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:02.600 in the same three guys or so, but they're almost 1997 01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:04.439 always in the same order, and it's just like this 1998 01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:07.680 unbelievable consolidation. 1999 01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:08.960 Uh, I guess uh. 2000 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.640 Echo chamber going on and one of the so I 2001 01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:15.159 did a big statistical study there, as big as you 2002 01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.079 can on something that such a small sample size, and 2003 01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:19.279 it's like two things really stood out as like, uh, 2004 01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:22.960 impetusis for further consolidation in the voting and more similarity 2005 01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:23.720 in the voting scores. 2006 01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:24.640 And the first was Twitter. 2007 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:28.079 Social media came out, and this is like, this is 2008 01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:30.880 like an unbelievable The chart is amazing, Like everybody should 2009 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:33.760 go google that, like that, I ran on basketball poetry too. Hoops, 2010 01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:36.439 I've had it, but like the chart is pretty unbelievable 2011 01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:38.479 with the group think, where like the second Twitter came 2012 01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:41.199 out is like the share of votes in the top 2013 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:44.279 two guys basically became like doubled every year after that 2014 01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:46.279 from what it had been prior because you and like 2015 01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:47.520 you could spend it positively. 2016 01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:50.640 You could say like, hey, yeah, people are scared. 2017 01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:52.039 To say something stupid because they don't want to be 2018 01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.640 attacked by Twitter trolls or whatever, you know. But also 2019 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.439 like it early Twitter especially was such a good forum 2020 01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:01.800 for exchanging high level d and ideas, and so like 2021 01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:04.159 the argument for this group think that we see with 2022 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.560 the MVP today is like, yeah, it's just because everyone's 2023 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:08.560 smarter now, we all are learning from each other, like 2024 01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:11.199 everyone has come up with better. But the other big impetus, 2025 01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.960 the other big inflection point was like Zachlo's podcast and 2026 01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:16.920 articles coming out, and like basically once he became like 2027 01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:19.600 a thing on the national media, people were like, whatever 2028 01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:21.520 you wanted to say before, you could always just repeat 2029 01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:23.479 what Zachlos said and you could defend it. 2030 01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:24.960 You'd be like, well, zach Loo said it, so it's 2031 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:25.680 obviously well. 2032 01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:27.600 Thought out, well reasoned, and like those are like two 2033 01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:30.319 of the big like inflection points in terms of just 2034 01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:32.600 like how MVP became more and more group thinking over 2035 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:34.199 the time, which again I'm not even saying is a 2036 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:37.560 bad thing necessarily, but it was interesting, Well, you're right, 2037 01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:38.960 and you couldn't do when you're writing. 2038 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.239 Well, it's also do what I'm gonna miss, But it 2039 01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:45.039 also I have to actively avoid them. Kevin Pelton now 2040 01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:47.800 working behind the scenes of basketball. Again, it's a lost 2041 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:49.359 for all of us. We'd like to consume his content, 2042 01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:51.479 but his trade grades, because I do trade grades at 2043 01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:53.520 Bleacher Report, like the live grades for the deadline, then 2044 01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:55.920 a lot of like losingly happen. I have to I 2045 01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:59.199 want to actively avoid in general what other people are 2046 01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.800 saying or right. Maybe I'm just too impressionable, But like Kevin, 2047 01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:05.640 Pelton's just covers it from so many angles that if 2048 01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:07.720 you want to form your opinion on you, it's good 2049 01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:09.920 to be informed of others' opinions. But I don't want 2050 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.479 my opinion to be too shaped by what someone like 2051 01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:14.199 him is already doing. So I would actively have to 2052 01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:17.479 avoid his articles or trade grades if I hadn't yet 2053 01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:19.680 greated a trader or reacted to trade. 2054 01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:20.079 Because I want to. 2055 01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:22.279 I want to feel like I got somewhere on my own. 2056 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:24.880 And then you go back and look which is Look, 2057 01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:27.399 this isn't You don't need to take this as a compliment, 2058 01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:28.880 like you're on the list of people where if I 2059 01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:32.319 disagree with you, or if I disagree with Grant, like 2060 01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:36.399 I immediately rethink my priors like oh, or if I 2061 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:38.840 like if I disagree with when I just hear Kaitlin 2062 01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:41.079 Cooper on like the Aviza Zubos trade for the Pacers, 2063 01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:45.479 I reevaluated my entire life after that. 2064 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:48.119 You know, Pelton's funny because, like I always, with his 2065 01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:50.159 trade grades, they come out so quick, they're so comprehensile, 2066 01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:54.279 he said, But you know, as an independent writer, I 2067 01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:57.000 always tried to beat Pelton the market because I was 2068 01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:59.760 confident in my own evaluations. But if I beat Pelton, 2069 01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:03.880 I would get tons of clicks, tons of subscribers, paid subscribes, everything, 2070 01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:05.560 And if he beat me to market, it just took 2071 01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:06.479 up everything I'd get. 2072 01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:08.039 It'd be like a dostown on my page. 2073 01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:10.319 So like for me, it was like legitimately important from 2074 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:13.119 a business perspective to beat ESPN and beat Pelton the 2075 01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:14.760 market so I could be ranked higher in like the 2076 01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:15.760 Google results or whatever. 2077 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:18.479 That was leg like huge difference. 2078 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:21.960 Uh. Look, so we know the system now, so we 2079 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.159 need to rush this out before the next breakout draft. 2080 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:28.079 Who's gonna go cardboll That's what you're talking about, right, So. 2081 01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:30.920 I don't good about the opportunity. Was the moral of 2082 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:32.760 the story is. And it's not just because it's the Kings, 2083 01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:35.680 but just they have a weird roster structure right now. 2084 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:37.319 And I've actually been wondering what it would take for 2085 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.199 another team to because he's so cheap, Like does he 2086 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:42.079 are the Kings demanding a first round pick. 2087 01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:42.319 To get him? 2088 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:44.640 Because then you're probably he wouldn't be traded, like will 2089 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:46.600 they take a ton of seconds and a small salary. 2090 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:49.199 But I don't know what his opportunity is going to 2091 01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:51.520 be this year. I just I love I love me 2092 01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:52.279 some doing card. 2093 01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:55.319 Well, yeah I did too, for slightly different reasons. 2094 01:21:55.319 --> 01:21:57.560 I just like every Sacramento Kings game I watch, he 2095 01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.560 gets a big block and then he just celebrates it 2096 01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:00.600 like it's the coolest here. 2097 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.079 He's got a salute he does sometimes to people. Sometime 2098 01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:03.920 he'ple just put both. 2099 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:05.720 Arms up in the air and be like, yes, I'm 2100 01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:08.399 the man. And I just I love the enthusiasm. I 2101 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:09.800 like guys who are having fun when they're playing. It 2102 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:11.079 makes it more fun for me as a viewer to 2103 01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:11.720 watch these guys. 2104 01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:14.520 You know, could he be celebrating his thought percentage when 2105 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:16.640 he's doing that knowing that so many of his team's 2106 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:18.439 blocks are recovered, Well is it. 2107 01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:20.520 If that's the case, he needs to further. 2108 01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:25.359 Mourn grieve for his you know, foul percentage, because my god, 2109 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:28.039 is this guy fould the shit out everybody that is 2110 01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:29.560 you know what I see though? A little bit is 2111 01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:31.840 one of our picks for breakout gems last year that 2112 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:34.399 I think panned out beautifully was namiash Keida, right, And 2113 01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:36.039 that's always been one of my guys. And I'm like 2114 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:38.119 every time of this guy, like why doesn't he get 2115 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:39.880 more leash on the court, Like why isn't he given 2116 01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:41.199 more chance to play through his mistakes. 2117 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:43.119 I think he'll be such a game changer, and. 2118 01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:44.680 I think we saw that last year, Like that's definitely 2119 01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:45.960 one of the guys I've always been highest on that. 2120 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:47.159 I'm really glad panned out. 2121 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:49.600 And card Well I think has a little bit of 2122 01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:51.359 that too, where it's like he's out there and he's 2123 01:22:51.399 --> 01:22:53.680 just so excited, like a puppy to be out there 2124 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.199 just rolling himself around, and I. 2125 01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:56.640 Think he's worried. 2126 01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:57.760 He's like, I'm gonna be out here for you know, 2127 01:22:57.800 --> 01:22:59.680 eighteen minutes, seventeen minutes at a time or whatever, Like 2128 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:00.960 I need the most of it. He's the guy who 2129 01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:02.319 I think if he could play through his mistakes a 2130 01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:05.199 little bit more, he would hopefully settle down and it 2131 01:23:05.239 --> 01:23:08.159 would translate into just much stronger overall impact besides just 2132 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:09.600 like the highlight blocks and stuff. 2133 01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:13.680 I'm so I don't know how many minutes he's gonna 2134 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:15.920 play this year, but I'm excited. I see where they 2135 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.079 end up. And he's a He's a reason to watch 2136 01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:19.600 the Kings for a reason, you like you want a 2137 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:21.760 reaction on a block there's you like, there's a reason 2138 01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.439 to tune into that. And what type of shots is 2139 01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:25.800 Darius Acuff gonna take tonight? 2140 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:31.439 Yeah, I'll I try not to form opinions of players 2141 01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:32.880 before they get into the real league, So I have 2142 01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:34.399 nothing to say about Darius Acuff right. 2143 01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:37.439 Now that we might as well move on to Is 2144 01:23:37.479 --> 01:23:39.359 this your is your last pick? 2145 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.560 I think I don't know. 2146 01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:45.359 I wanted to pick Keegan Murray because but that just 2147 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:46.119 feels like a little. 2148 01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:48.039 Too much King's talk, no offense to to the Kings fans, 2149 01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:48.359 I do. 2150 01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:50.520 I will say I think King and Murray is really good. 2151 01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:53.479 I think that this year, if there's no DeMar Derosen, 2152 01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:57.520 hopefully no Russell Westbrook will see perhaps would be emphasized 2153 01:23:57.640 --> 01:23:59.640 Zach Levine, Like I think about. 2154 01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:01.399 Victor Oladeo, is he gonna be able to see. 2155 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:04.239 I've always had a little bit of a soft spot 2156 01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:06.920 for Oladipa, so who knows, But I think King Murray 2157 01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:09.239 is gonna like rediscover his bullyball game, rediscover a shot, 2158 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:10.680 and have like a really good year. That's what I'm 2159 01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:13.560 hoping for if he can do Like I didn't want 2160 01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:14.880 to make this a King of Murray thing, but fuck it, 2161 01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:17.399 we're excuse my friend, we're already we're alreadyalking on about. 2162 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:18.800 We don't have to count it as your pick. 2163 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:19.800 If you want to talk a little bit. 2164 01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:22.159 Of you Kings fans need a little love. Let's be ask. 2165 01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:23.800 There's not a lot of nice things said about the Kings, 2166 01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:25.239 and we if we're gonna do it for ten minutes, 2167 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:26.119 we can do it for ten minutes. 2168 01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:28.479 So I just think, like his three pointer has kind 2169 01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:29.079 of gone down. 2170 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.840 Every single season, but every single person you talk to, 2171 01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:33.720 like in and around the Kings, in the league in general, 2172 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:35.319 like just thinks he's a really good cheer. Like they 2173 01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:37.479 just believe in his shot and him as a shooter. 2174 01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:40.960 He's an amazing finisher. Like people don't really realize this, 2175 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:42.560 but like his percentage at the rim are really good. 2176 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.199 His percentages like in like the ten foot range are 2177 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:46.920 really good. Like he's got a whole, like a little 2178 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:49.039 bag down there that people aren't aware of a little 2179 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:50.760 too in love with the long pull up maybe, but 2180 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:51.920 like part of that is just like look at the 2181 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:54.239 space that he works with, right, it's terrible. So I 2182 01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:56.439 think the best case scenario for Murray is, like, hey, there, 2183 01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:59.680 we're deemphasizing some of these old shot heavy veterans. We're, 2184 01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:01.640 you know, trying to roll out something new, Like we 2185 01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:03.760 just paid you a big contract. You were hurt all 2186 01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:05.439 last year, and frankly, he might still be heard. He 2187 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:07.039 had an ankle surgery a couple months ago, so we'll 2188 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.760 see about that. Like, but like, we're gonna make you 2189 01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:11.279 like a focal point of the offense. 2190 01:25:11.319 --> 01:25:12.640 Not the focal point. We have a cuff for that. 2191 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:14.119 We've got some of the guys who need to score too, 2192 01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:16.000 but like a focal point, and I think he could 2193 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.000 go back to being like a nineteen point per game score. 2194 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:19.680 Like, I think that's definitely a possibility. 2195 01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:23.680 It would help if Doug Christy offense was literally anything 2196 01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:26.560 other than running Kegan Murray off pindowns and like handoffs, 2197 01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:28.600 Like can we get some sort of off ball movement? 2198 01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:30.439 Can we do like literally anything to set him up 2199 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.600 to succeed. Because I watched like two hundred and fifty 2200 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:34.840 Keying Murray shots last night in preparation for this podcast. 2201 01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:37.279 Just in case we talked about him, and every single 2202 01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:39.720 one is him driving into a crowded. 2203 01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:41.319 Lane and self creating basically like he's. 2204 01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:44.239 Never finishing off of like or outside of the occasonal 2205 01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:46.159 like Russell Westbrook pass like he's never finishing off like 2206 01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:47.800 a cut or anything. And it's not because he's not cutting, 2207 01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:49.640 because there's not that level of like passing or spacing 2208 01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:50.439 on the floor around him. 2209 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:53.920 So but I we don't need to talk about the 2210 01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:55.239 bad things with the Kings. We know the bad things 2211 01:25:55.279 --> 01:25:55.640 with the Kings. 2212 01:25:56.039 --> 01:25:59.199 The I was gonna say just to support your point, 2213 01:25:59.359 --> 01:26:02.239 and this is it could be Keegan Murray a little bit, 2214 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:05.319 but his catch and shoot, but three point shot quality 2215 01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:09.680 and off ball shot quality have deteriorated in each and 2216 01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:11.720 every season that he's been in the league. I view 2217 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:14.720 that as more of an organizational failure than I do 2218 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:16.399 as at being on Keegan Murray. And I think that 2219 01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:19.960 his his role is shifted basically, I mean, last year 2220 01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:22.279 is injured. It's a bad example, but his roles had 2221 01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:24.439 to shift in every season because of this like rotating 2222 01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:27.079 like cast of personnel and head coaches that are now 2223 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:29.920 coming in. So I don't want he's not blameless. I 2224 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.079 don't know what he can be as an on ball scorer, 2225 01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:34.399 if that's what a breakout would look like for him. 2226 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:37.279 But I'm not as worried about the declining three point 2227 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:39.760 percentage specifically they maybe get you want him to be 2228 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:42.079 a knockdown three point shooter, like put him, get him 2229 01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:44.880 some of the right looks like those three point shooters 2230 01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:47.880 are generally speaking, if you're not a star, always going 2231 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:50.479 to be more reliant on everyone out, like on the 2232 01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:52.279 coaching or on the guys who are setting them up. 2233 01:26:52.319 --> 01:26:56.279 And he just hasn't had great stability since arriving at Sacramento. 2234 01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:58.760 Yeah, and there's not like he's not like a huge 2235 01:26:58.920 --> 01:27:01.560 three point volume guy either, Like it's enough for his position. 2236 01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:03.279 It's good, like that's what you want, but he's not 2237 01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:04.399 like shooting ten a game. 2238 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:04.720 You know. 2239 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:07.479 It's almost more like he's almost gotten a little bit 2240 01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:09.439 more like a Devin Bookery feel in some ways, not 2241 01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:11.760 saying he's anywhere near that level as a self score 2242 01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:12.960 or anything, but like in terms of the way he 2243 01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:14.279 plays the game is a little bit more of that. 2244 01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:15.920 When he when he has the ball, well we'll see 2245 01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:16.319 what happens. 2246 01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:17.960 I just think the Doug Christy offense has not done 2247 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:19.760 him any favors, but I do think that, like the 2248 01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:22.399 personnel shifting this year, could open up some opportunities that 2249 01:27:22.479 --> 01:27:23.560 hopefully he'll take advantage of. 2250 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:25.720 Did you want to that was your we'll call out 2251 01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:27.520 your bonus pick. Did you want to talk about another player? 2252 01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:31.199 Hmm, my list is finally running low. We've touched upon everybody, 2253 01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:33.000 but there's two more names. I think that we should 2254 01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:35.199 talk about one you might take though, So yeah, let's 2255 01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:36.279 talk about cal Murray Boyles. 2256 01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:38.359 Let's give the raptor someone. 2257 01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:41.279 Let's definitely talk about Calinmary Boyles such a well. 2258 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:43.159 Leonard is the question. 2259 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:45.039 I think it's an important question. 2260 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:47.119 I think that Kawhi would be a much better fit 2261 01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:50.079 for him than Brandon Ingram, right just because Kahi at 2262 01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:51.520 least is more of a threat from the outside. 2263 01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:53.239 I think even though Ingram did take up a little 2264 01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:53.520 bit in that. 2265 01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:55.680 Regard, but like you know, there's a different level of 2266 01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:58.039 gravity between Brandon Ingram and Kawhi Leonard that I think 2267 01:27:58.119 --> 01:27:59.319 is going to benefit Calumary Boyles. 2268 01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:01.359 I think that's safe to say so. But it's the 2269 01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:02.960 guy who's really stepped up in the playoffs. 2270 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:04.560 You love to see that from rookies, he averaged like 2271 01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:06.279 fourteen and a half points per game and like was 2272 01:28:06.319 --> 01:28:08.199 rebounding two and a half stocks in the playoffs. 2273 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:10.800 Like Hit Darko came out a couple months ago. 2274 01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:12.359 I want to say, I don't remember the context, but 2275 01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:14.399 he's basically like a CMB and he's been playing thirty 2276 01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:15.880 minutes to Night, which is exactly what you want to 2277 01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:17.479 hear for a guy who's sort of like a supercharged 2278 01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:21.079 sixth man right now, kind of a weird tweener right 2279 01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:23.279 because he can't shoot like at all, can't even shoot 2280 01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:24.439 from the mid range, which is a problem. 2281 01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:27.159 Like he he will shoot a floater, and it is 2282 01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:30.039 the ugliest floater I think I've ever seen. Never goes 2283 01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:30.279 in it. 2284 01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:33.000 So you're saying you don't trust him. 2285 01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:35.399 Going thirteen oh thirty four on Above the break threes 2286 01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:36.279 last year. 2287 01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:38.159 I would say, I would like to see more of 2288 01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:39.119 it before I trust it. 2289 01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:41.720 I will cautiously extend it and invite to meet in 2290 01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:43.600 a public place, but I wouldn't invite it into my house, 2291 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:44.239 you know what I'm saying. 2292 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.359 But I like I love the hands, I love the motor. 2293 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:50.840 I think he's like a weirdly creative finisher for this 2294 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.479 kind of player archetype of like this tweeener like roller, 2295 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:56.720 like he can finish with both hands. He'll do a 2296 01:28:56.760 --> 01:28:58.880 little stuff with a little sauce on the finishes, which 2297 01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:01.279 I like to see. So, like, I think his feel 2298 01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:02.880 for the game is really good on both sides. 2299 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:03.680 The fit was Scotty. 2300 01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:05.439 If we're looking at the cons for him breaking out, right, 2301 01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:07.000 it's like the fit with Scotty's a little bit weird. 2302 01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:11.039 Pearl is obviously there too, just doing god knows what, 2303 01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.760 taking up money. So it's gonna be nights where like he. 2304 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:15.760 Did they extend him again this year or what? I 2305 01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:16.680 can't I miss that. 2306 01:29:17.359 --> 01:29:18.720 I don't understand the Pearl stuff. 2307 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:21.319 I've never understood the Peart stuff and it survived multiple 2308 01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:24.079 front offices at this point, right, So, but yeah, so 2309 01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:25.920 Murray's if he needs to break out, he just needs 2310 01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:27.479 become more of a threat in space. And I don't 2311 01:29:27.479 --> 01:29:29.439 mean shooting three pointers. I mean like, can you hit 2312 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:31.479 a ten foot floater? Can you do a little bit 2313 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.119 more as like a passer in the short role? Like 2314 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:35.199 I think these are things he can This is things 2315 01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:36.960 that we started to see a little bit in the playoffs. 2316 01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:38.439 Didn't see as much in the real season, but he 2317 01:29:39.439 --> 01:29:41.640 proved to me that he could compete at a high 2318 01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:45.039 level already as a young guy. And I'm you know, 2319 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:47.319 it's just it's it's always weird with these undersized guys 2320 01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:49.319 who can't shoot. But I just love the way he 2321 01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:51.520 plays the game. And I'm hoping that another year of 2322 01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:53.880 seasoning and maybe a slightly better fit around him Anuel 2323 01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:56.000 quickly being back to shoot threes is gonna be helpful 2324 01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:58.000 for him, Like I think he needs that kind of stuff. 2325 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:00.880 I do wonder how much it'll help. And they did play. 2326 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:03.239 I think him and Scotty is like defront court. The 2327 01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:05.840 four and the five got over eleven hundred little over 2328 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:08.800 eleven hundred possessions in the regular season. Numbers on that 2329 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.239 defensively are really good. Do you view that as something 2330 01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:13.960 that can be a default for them, especially when you 2331 01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:16.359 have the size of Kawhi Leonard maybe if RJ's at 2332 01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:18.319 the two in that situation, or is that something you 2333 01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:22.359 don't want to overtax either player with necessarily. I think 2334 01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:24.680 with Kawhi being there, instead of brandon Ingram, you're not 2335 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:26.960 really taking you don't have to take Scotty Barnes or 2336 01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:30.319 CMB out of their wheelhouse necessarily, But I'm curious to 2337 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:32.600 see what the what would be your appetite for making 2338 01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:36.239 closing lineup. Yeah, that's just it's Kawhi Leonard, CMB, Scottie 2339 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:38.960 Barnes like that your front court. But just generally speaking 2340 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:41.800 as a core lineup, do you think that basically CMB 2341 01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:44.399 being the five then in that instance or the day 2342 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:47.199 facto five, are you okay with that or do you 2343 01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:49.399 think that you're giving up then too much size? 2344 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:51.880 Now? I think that you need to explore it. 2345 01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.359 Like I said, I think that's something that probably will 2346 01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:56.039 look better in the playoffs than the look in the 2347 01:30:56.079 --> 01:30:58.840 regular season most of the time. And there will be matches, 2348 01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:00.640 matchups where it's not tenable, right Like I think you 2349 01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:03.000 go up against like the heat and it's like bam 2350 01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:04.439 and the honest you're probably not gonna be able to 2351 01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:06.199 survive with CMB at center, is my guess. 2352 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:07.319 You know, that's just too much size. 2353 01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:11.600 But I what we saw from it was so promising 2354 01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:13.479 for a guy who is so young and still figure 2355 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:15.560 out how to play next to Scotti and Brandon, Ingram 2356 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:17.039 and Purl and whoever else was out there. Well, not 2357 01:31:17.119 --> 01:31:19.159 Purtle obviously, but next to Ingram and whoever else was 2358 01:31:19.159 --> 01:31:21.399 out there, they did not have like the best offensive 2359 01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:23.800 ecosystem from their guards with quickly being out for so long. 2360 01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:26.159 So you just you saw enough positives that you have 2361 01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:28.680 to explore further. Figure I'm always in favor of, like 2362 01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:31.119 figure out where the breaking point is. Push if you're 2363 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:34.119 seeing good results, push further until the diminishing returns or zero. 2364 01:31:34.239 --> 01:31:35.359 Right like that That's what I think. 2365 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:40.600 Uh, I like that thinking, And I don't have anything 2366 01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:41.439 to add on CMB. 2367 01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:43.960 I hope watching it, but like I'm assuming the Kauha 2368 01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:47.359 dra goes through and this team is like the Raptors 2369 01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:49.199 just might be a sleeping giant, And then maybe people 2370 01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:51.399 already haven't peddled in as a giant with Kawhi Leonard, 2371 01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:53.680 but they might be a sleeping giant. If that's like 2372 01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:55.399 going to be the setup of their team, their core 2373 01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:57.960 lineup is, or if you just get like if Jacoby 2374 01:31:58.000 --> 01:31:59.880 Walter gets better, if Jamal shddh, it's a little bit 2375 01:31:59.880 --> 01:32:01.880 more of his shoes. Like there's just so many swing 2376 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:07.079 factors on this team too. So my pen ultimate pick 2377 01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:09.560 I'm going to go with, I think one of us 2378 01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:12.359 picked him last year. I can't remember if it was Mirio, 2379 01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:17.279 it was me. I'm picking him again. I would also 2380 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:19.279 like to give I did consider he was not on 2381 01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:22.840 our list, but Myron Gardner just as this team needs 2382 01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:25.840 like three and D wings and he gets under opponents 2383 01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:27.359 to skin just enough where it's like I feel like 2384 01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:29.319 Eric Bolsher will give him maybe a ton of minutes 2385 01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:33.119 if the roster stays largely intact right now, I'm sure 2386 01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:37.159 for sure the heat need like real ball handlers. It's okay. 2387 01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:40.399 It's cool that Giannis can just rampage his way towards 2388 01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:43.000 the basket. That's great. Bam Adebayo is kind of a 2389 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:46.279 secondary option. Davion Mitchell is kind of a shooter now 2390 01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:51.199 in Miami. This team needs like an actual organizer or 2391 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:53.920 just a ball handler that has more change of direction 2392 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:58.119 and cadence to him. I don't think they have anybody 2393 01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:01.760 else on the roster other than Pelle Larson, who begins 2394 01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:05.960 to fit that mold. Now, my concern would be they 2395 01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:09.000 need shooting. He does not provide it, but he can 2396 01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:12.479 work with the ball in his hands, get through tight spaces, 2397 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:16.600 draw a ton of fouls. So I trust the scoring package. Overall, 2398 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:19.720 he's not an excellent defender, but I think it like 2399 01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:21.960 if six' five and that's your point, guard, like you 2400 01:33:22.039 --> 01:33:26.039 do have excellent size there shooting almost fifty nine percent 2401 01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:30.840 from two last, year averaged almost six free throw attempts 2402 01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:33.680 per one hundred. Possessions and this wasn't necessarily someone who 2403 01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:37.359 was the most ball dominant player on the heat at every. 2404 01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:41.520 TURN i don't, KNOW i thought his, role his role 2405 01:33:41.640 --> 01:33:43.439 this year was probably a little bit smaller THAN i 2406 01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.000 thought it was gonna, Be and NOW i feel like 2407 01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:48.520 he might be sneakily more important to them than he 2408 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:50.640 was last. Year maybe that's more about the scarcity of, 2409 01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:53.760 bodies BUT i do think it's the, actual like the 2410 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:57.479 ball handling that he's going to provide they. Need the question, becomes, 2411 01:33:57.560 --> 01:34:00.279 though can he make a enough or can he based 2412 01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:02.920 the floor enough to play Around johannis And bam and 2413 01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:04.399 very MUCH tbd. 2414 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:07.159 There, YEAH i you, know it's funny BECAUSE i think 2415 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:10.600 you're talking about him as a point guard a, lot 2416 01:34:10.840 --> 01:34:13.920 which makes. SENSE i kind of think the, heat, though 2417 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:16.439 are more likely to flip between him And Tim, hardaway, 2418 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:18.279 right and it's gonna be like who's the shooting? Guard 2419 01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.560 next To Davion. Mitchell i'm not sure about that BECAUSE 2420 01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:23.319 i think that all three of these guys have important, 2421 01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:25.239 skills but none of them have all. 2422 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.159 The skills that they, need you. Know but, YEAH i 2423 01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:29.279 mean you Picked Pela larson last. 2424 01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:31.800 Year this has always been your guy AND i love 2425 01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:33.760 Watching he's another guy that just like throws himself around 2426 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:35.760 the court like he'll, he'll you, know die for a, 2427 01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:38.039 ball miss, it get, up dive for it again on 2428 01:34:38.079 --> 01:34:39.640 the same, play and just like leave skin on the, 2429 01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:42.279 ground which you love to. See, uh there's A twitter. 2430 01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:44.840 Account i'm sure you've seen this, before but there's a 2431 01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:47.680 next account that's, like Did pella get hit in the face? 2432 01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:50.199 Today and the answer is, yes almost every? Game and 2433 01:34:50.279 --> 01:34:51.560 my favor it was last year one time he was 2434 01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:53.359 injured and he was warm ups and it was still 2435 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:54.960 a yes because the ball bounced off the rim and 2436 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:57.359 nailed him right in the. Nose so they're, like, yes 2437 01:34:57.479 --> 01:34:59.760 and it didn't even he didn't even play air spots 2438 01:34:59.800 --> 01:35:01.479 ros about it, before like this is just the. Thing 2439 01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:02.560 he gets hit in the face all the. 2440 01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:05.680 Time is there an account For Darius garland with that, 2441 01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:07.119 too because he would deserve. 2442 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:09.439 One, yeah say he's a higher profile, name so he 2443 01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:11.119 probably does have. One but, YEAH i mean all the 2444 01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:12.720 things said about larcen are. TRUE i just think the 2445 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:18.640 heat need like some real DEAD i shooting more than 2446 01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:20.680 they need what he brings in some. Ways but it's 2447 01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:22.039 gonna be a night to night. THING i think it's 2448 01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:24.600 gonna be classic spolstro where like there is no such 2449 01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:26.680 thing as a settled. Lineup like he might start next 2450 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:28.279 To hardaway one time in the back. Court he might 2451 01:35:28.399 --> 01:35:30.039 start next To Davion mitchell in the back. Court some, 2452 01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:31.479 nights he might not start at. 2453 01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:31.920 All a lot of. 2454 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:35.319 NIGHTS i he averaged you know, what eleven point per 2455 01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:37.399 game last year and played twenty something. MINUTES i think 2456 01:35:37.439 --> 01:35:38.399 he's probably. 2457 01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:43.000 Gonna be in a pretty similar. Place and a lot 2458 01:35:43.039 --> 01:35:44.640 of it comes down, to Like Ken davey On mitchell 2459 01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:44.840 hit his. 2460 01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:46.760 THREES i really think that's probably the number one thing 2461 01:35:46.840 --> 01:35:50.279 for For, pella because If Davion mitchell hitting his, THREES 2462 01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:51.840 i think the team would rather have him out, there, 2463 01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:54.359 truthfully at least in like the starting and closing. Lineups 2464 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:56.720 If David mitchell is shooting twenty nine percent from, three you, 2465 01:35:56.760 --> 01:35:58.359 know like he's been prone to in the, past then 2466 01:35:58.439 --> 01:35:59.520 we might be having a very different. 2467 01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:02.079 Conversation, yeah what point do we accept though That Davion 2468 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:03.600 mitchell is not going to do that In? 2469 01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:07.279 Miami, APPARENTLY i guess would be the. QUESTION i. 2470 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:10.760 Shooters have a lot more variance than people, REALIZE i, 2471 01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:12.600 think except for the very best and very. Worst you 2472 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:14.159 know how many guys in THE nba have carved out 2473 01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:15.880 a care where they're shoing thirty three percent one day 2474 01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:17.319 and thirty six the next and suddenly they were, like 2475 01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:19.079 oh they went from bad to. Good it's, like, well, 2476 01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:21.000 really they just made like seven more threes in their 2477 01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:21.520 total sample. 2478 01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:21.880 Size you. 2479 01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:26.399 Know it's like the line between we talk about shooting is, 2480 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:30.560 excellent good, enough or. Bad but there's a lot of 2481 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:33.600 realm in that good enough THAT i think it's papered over. 2482 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:37.159 Sometimes AND i think that, like if the heat play 2483 01:36:37.239 --> 01:36:38.760 like they did last, year it doesn't matter as much 2484 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:41.079 where it's like zero. Screens give the ball To yannis 2485 01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:42.880 and let him run straight at the rim every single, 2486 01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:45.479 time like he's a infinitely Better Jaime Haakas, like, yeah 2487 01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:47.159 they're not gonna need the shooting as, much but if 2488 01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:48.960 they are dragged down in the half court, more if 2489 01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:50.800 they're running more traditional stuff than they will need. 2490 01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:53.279 It so we'll see who's your final. 2491 01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:56.479 PICK i think it's kind of crazy we went this, 2492 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:57.720 long you, know and brought them. Up this WOULDN'T i 2493 01:36:57.720 --> 01:36:59.760 wouldn't necessarily have even picked, him BUT i feel like 2494 01:36:59.840 --> 01:37:02.319 so somebody. Should so we got to Say modess bazilis 2495 01:37:02.399 --> 01:37:05.439 for The, bulls. RIGHT i think that this is going 2496 01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:09.159 to be such an interesting test case in how much 2497 01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:12.199 can you flourish next to players who have somewhat similar skill, 2498 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:15.399 sets BECAUSE i think The Caleb wilson, selection which looks, 2499 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.039 awesome Like wilson was the story of The Summer, league, 2500 01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:20.000 right he is going to do a lot of the 2501 01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:22.359 things That wizzelles did kind of not in the exact same, 2502 01:37:22.399 --> 01:37:25.439 way but BUT i just, LIKE i just like watching him, Play, 2503 01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:27.800 like you, know last year he was scoring sixteen points 2504 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:29.840 per game, already the three point volume is actually really. 2505 01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:31.399 High LIKE i don't think people realized to shooting like 2506 01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:34.079 eight per thirty six and, yeah you're making thirty five 2507 01:37:34.119 --> 01:37:35.560 percent of, them but at this point in a player's, 2508 01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:39.119 career the volume is more important than the. Accuracy incredible 2509 01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:41.560 secondary room, protector like having him And Caleb wilson out 2510 01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:43.560 there flying around and just like swatting shots and like 2511 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:45.800 people are shooting floaters and they're still getting blocked. Anyway, 2512 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:48.119 LIKE i think that's going to be super. Fun you, 2513 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:50.920 know the handle is not, good but it's so much 2514 01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:52.960 better from his rookie year THAT i just get really 2515 01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:53.479 excited about. 2516 01:37:53.479 --> 01:37:54.920 It and the Same i'd say with his, passing which 2517 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:55.760 was basically. 2518 01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:57.880 Non existent as a rookie and now is like below, 2519 01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:00.199 average and that's like a much bigger you, know then 2520 01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:01.119 people give it credit. 2521 01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:03.920 For consistency for him is going to be. Key like 2522 01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:05.279 there Are knights where he looks like a Future All. 2523 01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:07.039 Star there Are knights where it's, like who you, know 2524 01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:10.399 is This Patrick Williams on the, court the spacing is 2525 01:38:10.399 --> 01:38:12.359 going to be kind of cramped With wilson And Nick, 2526 01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:14.399 claxton but at least they Have Norm. 2527 01:38:14.439 --> 01:38:16.039 Palell now he'll shoot a, Lot he'll make a little bit. 2528 01:38:16.079 --> 01:38:18.199 EASIER i Think Josh giddy is still like just one 2529 01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:19.640 of the best passers in the, league whatever else you 2530 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:22.159 think About Josh. Giitty SO i just we saw Like 2531 01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:24.039 gazails just got so much better from year one to year, 2532 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:25.720 two AND i kind of am hoping that he'll do 2533 01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:26.359 the same thing in year. 2534 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:28.359 Three even given The Caleb Wilson, Ofvid'll. 2535 01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:30.800 I'm hoping they have enough space BECAUSE i THINK i 2536 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:33.079 would echo everything you, said and he's also just BEEN 2537 01:38:34.079 --> 01:38:35.880 i guess the word would be more, phrasing more well 2538 01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:37.800 rounded offensive player THAN i thought he was gonna be. 2539 01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:39.319 Coming and you mentioned like the three point volume in, 2540 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:41.560 efficiency just some of the ability to get to the 2541 01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:44.239 basket on his own, too not something THAT i had seen. 2542 01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:48.439 Coming i'm just curious, whether like do the, bolt like 2543 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:50.520 his rim finishing has been a little bit on the 2544 01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:52.199 lower end then WHAT i would have liked for someone 2545 01:38:52.279 --> 01:38:54.439 with just his. Size but it's also you look at 2546 01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:57.520 the environment he's. In does this team have enough? Shooting 2547 01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:00.560 BECAUSE i like the idea of him in. THEORY i 2548 01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:03.239 like the idea of him playing Alongside Trey jones better 2549 01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:05.039 Than Josh, gitty but Like Josh gitty is also the 2550 01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:08.119 better shooter as, well And Norman powells, there so that's 2551 01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:10.159 gonna open up the floor a little bit if you 2552 01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:12.840 could play More Jalen, smith but like His Caleb. Wilson you, 2553 01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.119 know what do we say about the Stickiest Summer league? 2554 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:17.880 Stats that three point volume or the. Stickiest seems Like 2555 01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:19.920 Caleb wilson's probably gonna be taking more threes than he 2556 01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:22.680 did it, Unc but does that actually open up the 2557 01:39:22.720 --> 01:39:26.239 floor For brazellos and so do those. Redundancies i'm Also 2558 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:28.880 i'm very. Curousy how does this front off his view 2559 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:32.079 him just because he's not their? Guy and so we'll 2560 01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:34.760 kind OF i Like Thiago splitter as a head coach. Here, 2561 01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:37.600 yeah he's a good. Pick this is someone who it's 2562 01:39:37.880 --> 01:39:41.279 he's kind of entering prime most improved player territory right 2563 01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:43.800 where if you see him having the, opportunity he might 2564 01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:46.159 be on your short, list whether you're going three or 2565 01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:47.840 five deep on your ballot to win the. 2566 01:39:47.880 --> 01:39:50.880 Award, Yeah, NO i think that's all. Right AND i 2567 01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:54.039 will SAY i think that like the. Bulls certainly The 2568 01:39:54.079 --> 01:39:54.479 bulls like. 2569 01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:56.520 Fans and media like are obsessed with, him, Right AND 2570 01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:57.560 i think part of that is because he was the 2571 01:39:57.600 --> 01:39:59.680 only break spark on the team for a long. Time 2572 01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:02.000 Now Cale, wilson so there's kind of a shinier. Object BUT, 2573 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:05.039 i LIKE i, Said i'm just impressed by guys who 2574 01:40:05.119 --> 01:40:07.159 take big leap from yr one to year, two AND 2575 01:40:07.239 --> 01:40:10.000 I i fall into the trap SOMETIMES i think of 2576 01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:12.359 thinking that that improvement can continue. On So i'm not 2577 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:14.520 gonna say this is a certainty because he might have 2578 01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:17.000 just like sixteen point per, games a lot for AN nba, player, Right, 2579 01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:18.640 like he might just be that's that's who he's going to. 2580 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:20.920 Be BUT i never want to say that about a 2581 01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:23.800 guy who's not even twenty. Two AND i think like 2582 01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:26.640 the team in general is just gonna be a little 2583 01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:29.239 bit more competent and more. Enjoyable to watch the SH 2584 01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:31.079 i shouldn't SAY joi to. Watch actually always like watching the. 2585 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:32.880 Balls they run like, hell they're super fast the past 2586 01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:33.520 two years or. 2587 01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:36.359 Highlights, yeah, yeah SO i like watching The. 2588 01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:38.039 Bulls BUT i think they're just gonna be more competent 2589 01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:39.560 on the night to night, basis AND i think like 2590 01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:41.199 his evolution is going to be a part of. 2591 01:40:41.239 --> 01:40:45.640 That my final pick is going to Be Trayvon brazil 2592 01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:48.039 from when they Trade Nicole jokic and start him In. 2593 01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:50.039 Denver it's actually not my. 2594 01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:53.800 PICK i want the record to reflect That i'm annoyed 2595 01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:57.279 THAT i can't Pick Rasher fleming because The sun's lost 2596 01:40:57.319 --> 01:40:58.359 their minds and traded For Miles. 2597 01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:00.840 Bridges the exact same thing on, HERE I Reshaer, fleming 2598 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:02.680 but he's never gonna play because The suns are weirdly 2599 01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:03.399 the deepest team in THE. 2600 01:41:03.479 --> 01:41:04.199 Nba that was my. 2601 01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:07.479 Note, BASICALLY i am going to pick out of stubbornness 2602 01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:11.359 common molo watch sure he needs to be the starter 2603 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:12.520 at the five from the day. 2604 01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:14.199 One prove to me that you're invested in. 2605 01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:16.159 HIM i don't want to read too much Into Summer, 2606 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:17.960 league But i'm about to go ahead and read too 2607 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:20.720 much Into Summer league because the stuff he was, doing 2608 01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:24.079 like the way he's moving, defensively connecting on more of his, 2609 01:41:24.159 --> 01:41:26.319 screens WHICH i also thought when you're not playing. 2610 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:27.640 With these guys all the, time was kind of a 2611 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:28.159 big deal to. 2612 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:31.399 Me the shooting is just however you feel about the 2613 01:41:31.479 --> 01:41:33.039 time it takes for him to get it off like 2614 01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:35.079 that seems like it just might be real as a 2615 01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:37.880 pick and pop option to start. Him you have no 2616 01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:40.359 one at the five spot like Mar i've never been 2617 01:41:40.439 --> 01:41:43.960 To Mark williams. GUY i Like, osoigadaro but he's. UNDERSIZE 2618 01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:46.840 i like this is you talk about The suns being. 2619 01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:49.760 Deep this is one of those, instances, though where there 2620 01:41:49.880 --> 01:41:52.600 is no one to me that should be getting minutes 2621 01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:55.239 over him at the center, position and you can't, say, Like, 2622 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:58.239 Okay Miles bridges is now blocking not only Was sheer, 2623 01:41:58.279 --> 01:42:00.800 fleming but CoA. Pete and if you're still believer In Ryan, 2624 01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.000 done he's gonna be blocked by A Dylan. 2625 01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:03.800 Brooks as well as A Miles. 2626 01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:08.520 Bridges The, SUNS i, guess have immediate expectations because you 2627 01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:10.840 have to if you're going to trade an unprotected twenty 2628 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:15.399 thirty three first round pick for the sixtieth seventieth best 2629 01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:17.159 player in THE. NBA i don't. LIKE i don't know 2630 01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:19.840 where you would Rank Miles bridge is? THERE i want 2631 01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:22.760 if my watch isn't starting By, christmas we will. RIOT 2632 01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:25.239 i will let everyone know the address where we'll be doing, 2633 01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:27.199 so at the time and the. Date BUT i think 2634 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:29.960 that this IS i and this is me Doing Ameya 2635 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:32.840 kulpa as, well BECAUSE i thought after for a large 2636 01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:35.000 part of his rookie, SEASON i just didn't see. It 2637 01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:37.119 you saw some incremental, improvement but the fact that they 2638 01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:39.600 weren't playing him, MORE i THINK i read too much 2639 01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:42.079 INTO i wonder if he was going to be strong. 2640 01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:43.960 ENOUGH i think that he's going to be strong. 2641 01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:46.399 Enough to log heavy minutes at the, Five, MIKE i 2642 01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:48.239 would just Like phoenix to start him as. 2643 01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:50.319 All that's really just Where i'm at With Coy. 2644 01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:52.880 AND i, say that's someone who is not a Big malowatch. 2645 01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:54.800 Fan and you're talking about his rookie. Season he merely 2646 01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:56.880 had a rookie, season, Right like he played four hundred minutes. 2647 01:42:56.960 --> 01:43:00.279 Total but, YEAH i mean summer League, mallawase which was a, 2648 01:43:00.319 --> 01:43:02.439 Monster like he's got hoovers for, hands like he was 2649 01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:04.840 doing crazy things on the, boards bombing. 2650 01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:08.720 Threes and, Yeah i'm not a believer In Mark williams at. 2651 01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:09.319 ALL i do Like. 2652 01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:11.960 OSOIGDARO i don't know that OsO can play more than 2653 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.560 twenty two minutes per game on a team that's trying to, win, 2654 01:43:14.640 --> 01:43:17.960 really AND i think That, malawatch like at this, point 2655 01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:19.239 you just look at a ceiling and be, like, yeah 2656 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:21.079 maybe he doesn't reach, it but we'd better find, out 2657 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:22.840 because if a team like The suns doesn't have that 2658 01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:24.960 many young, outs and if you think That malawatch is 2659 01:43:24.960 --> 01:43:26.359 one of, them and he can turn into some kind 2660 01:43:26.399 --> 01:43:30.680 of like amazing unicorny like awesome, defender which he could 2661 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:33.319 certainly block, shots can't he be an awesome? Defender remains 2662 01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:35.119 to be. Seen he'll block the shit at everything, though 2663 01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:36.760 and he gets a ton of, rebounds and if he 2664 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:38.600 can really do stuff on offense, Too like you have 2665 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:40.680 to figure that out or at least figure out if 2666 01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:43.199 like it's worth pursuing, further, right because like The suns 2667 01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:44.800 are gonna win a finals this, year but you want 2668 01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:46.600 to eventually and you want him to be a piece of. 2669 01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:47.920 It let's get him down that. Road. 2670 01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:51.640 Now i'm already gonna Because I'm i'm already annoyed that 2671 01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:53.720 Cong gillespie won't be starting BECAUSE i. 2672 01:43:53.800 --> 01:43:55.960 Want, hey one of our picks for the, record that's 2673 01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:58.479 one of our picks in this segment last year was A, 2674 01:43:58.520 --> 01:43:59.880 Gillespie SO i feel good about that. 2675 01:43:59.880 --> 01:44:00.960 One uh do you know? 2676 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:03.000 WHO i didn't he was on my long list again 2677 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:05.239 this year BECAUSE i think it was injuries, mostly BUT 2678 01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:07.439 i think we both Picked Terren Shannon. 2679 01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:09.239 Junior maybe he was your, pick that was. 2680 01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:11.039 Your, guy AND i Picked Jalen, clark and neither those 2681 01:44:11.039 --> 01:44:13.000 are really panned out that much unless you wanna Count sannon's. 2682 01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:16.279 Postseason so, Hey Jaale, clark m'll be playing some four this? Year, 2683 01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:19.880 minunesoto who? Knows SO I i GET i was just 2684 01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:21.640 about to, Say i'm gonna be annoyed When gillespie's not, 2685 01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:24.199 starting because then you can't get someone to deliver model 2686 01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:25.760 watch the. BALL i do Trust Devin, booker BUT i 2687 01:44:25.800 --> 01:44:27.880 want someone higher. End but If gillespie's coming off the, 2688 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:30.159 BENCH i don't trust That phoenix isn't gonna. START i 2689 01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:32.279 don't Trust phoenix to. Start mall watch, anyway maybe that 2690 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:34.800 ends up being an awesome pairing for. Him if those 2691 01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:36.399 two are coming off the, bench you're gonna have some 2692 01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:38.039 pretty wicked secondary. 2693 01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:38.479 Units. 2694 01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:40.880 Uh we just better look back on this, season, like, 2695 01:44:40.920 --> 01:44:43.119 oh like come, man watch played fifteen hundred plus minutes like, 2696 01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:44.960 that that better be a thing that we're talking. 2697 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:45.439 About, yeah. 2698 01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:47.520 Totally did you have anybody? 2699 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:49.399 BEFORE i let just get out all you honorable mentions 2700 01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:51.039 that you wanted to run through very. Quickly didn't get 2701 01:44:51.079 --> 01:44:53.319 you went through fifteen players with some with some tangents 2702 01:44:53.359 --> 01:44:53.920 on the side with. 2703 01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:56.279 THEM i think the only guys we didn't talk, about 2704 01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:59.640 like pretty extensively Were Zach, edie which, like, yeah he's 2705 01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:00.399 a monster when he's on the. 2706 01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:01.840 Court can't he be on the. Court that's really all it. 2707 01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:03.880 Is we know he's really. Good will he PLAY i don't, 2708 01:45:03.880 --> 01:45:04.439 know BUT i hope he. 2709 01:45:04.479 --> 01:45:07.880 Does we had both talked to think of a little 2710 01:45:07.880 --> 01:45:10.039 bit About Cason, wallace WHO I the one Thing i'd 2711 01:45:10.039 --> 01:45:12.159 say About Cason wallace is, LIKE i don't Eat his 2712 01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:14.720 game kind of stagnated offensively last year a little, bit 2713 01:45:14.760 --> 01:45:16.880 but it felt to me like that was less about 2714 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:19.680 him hitting his ceiling than him just hitting the ceiling 2715 01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:21.840 of his. Role, RIGHT i don't think he's hit the 2716 01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:23.399 limit of his. POTENTIAL i think he'd hit the limit 2717 01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:25.600 of his. ROLE i assume he's going to start this 2718 01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:27.680 year With Lou, dort But i'll say THAT espn death 2719 01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:28.800 chart already Has jared. 2720 01:45:28.640 --> 01:45:31.840 McCain penciled, in so who. Knows and then, finally, like. 2721 01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:34.880 The only other guy THAT i thought would be worth 2722 01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:37.039 talking about a little bit Is Walker. Kessler just like 2723 01:45:38.039 --> 01:45:40.479 paid a pretty. Penny we kind of nobody's good and 2724 01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:42.479 not good At but at the same, time he just 2725 01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:44.600 missed so much time last. Year And i'm not one 2726 01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:47.159 hundred percent confident in my evaluation Of kessler on either 2727 01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:49.119 end of the, Ball LIKE i don't really remember what 2728 01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:51.800 he looks like on, offense particularly, right SO i want 2729 01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:53.199 to see what he can do this. Year but if 2730 01:45:53.199 --> 01:45:55.319 you're going to look, good play next To luca as 2731 01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:56.239 a big man is the way to do. 2732 01:45:56.319 --> 01:45:59.760 IT i would, think, so, yeah, Yeah i'd thought about, 2733 01:45:59.800 --> 01:46:02.439 it BUT i wasn't. Sure like when you command four 2734 01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:05.439 first round picks to to outright two swaps and one 2735 01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:07.560 hundred and thirty million dollars that do you fall out 2736 01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:08.159 of the breakout? 2737 01:46:08.239 --> 01:46:09.520 Route would be? My would be? 2738 01:46:09.560 --> 01:46:11.359 My he hasn't working out on the, COURT i would, 2739 01:46:11.399 --> 01:46:14.279 say right like it's It's it's like people like he's 2740 01:46:14.319 --> 01:46:15.880 a great, defender but he's been a part of some 2741 01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:18.239 of the worst defenses in the, league like even two 2742 01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:19.680 years ago when he was With, Utah like they were 2743 01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:22.199 like a sub twentieth percentile defense When kessler was on the. 2744 01:46:22.239 --> 01:46:23.920 Court you can't say that about guys like go behar 2745 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:25.439 where that would never, happen you, know no matter the. 2746 01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:28.199 Sort and, yeah Supporting cass was. Horrible BUT i want to. 2747 01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:28.760 See a team that's. 2748 01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:30.840 TRYING i want to see a team AND Jj reddick's 2749 01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:32.560 usually are a pretty good job of spinning up defenses 2750 01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:35.119 that have outperformed the. Personnel, well he's got better personnel, 2751 01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:36.520 now or at least he got a better. Center, now 2752 01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:37.600 let's let's see you actually do. 2753 01:46:37.640 --> 01:46:42.560 It, Kesler Zaire williams And Matis staible are weirdly important 2754 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:46.119 to this team, defensively and then, HOPEFULLY i Guess Quenton 2755 01:46:46.119 --> 01:46:48.039 grimes is like, Fine it's, like the point is that this. 2756 01:46:48.119 --> 01:46:49.960 TEAM i don't know what to think about that team just. 2757 01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:52.119 Yet Payton watson was on my. List he's also been 2758 01:46:52.119 --> 01:46:53.640 mentioned in the, comments BUT i don't know where he's 2759 01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:55.039 going to be, playing AND i would, argue is he 2760 01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:57.399 less likely to break out In denver than if he's playing? 2761 01:46:57.439 --> 01:46:57.880 Elsewhere? 2762 01:46:58.319 --> 01:47:00.920 Yeah, yeah, NO i think so it's still gonna. 2763 01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:02.279 Be you, know he's still gonna be the third option 2764 01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:04.520 most nights and the fourth on many depending on What 2765 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:07.359 Aaron gordon's got, cooking, Right so, yeah absolutely. 2766 01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:09.479 We Have Johan Baron jay was another name that was 2767 01:47:09.560 --> 01:47:11.920 mentioned in the. Chat they're trusting going to be the backup, 2768 01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:13.840 Five so that's certainly that's a good name to call. 2769 01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:16.359 Out you And dan did have that on the long. 2770 01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:19.159 LIST i will say for everybody who's commenting like that 2771 01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:20.960 was somebody that was on his, Radar so good Job. 2772 01:47:21.039 --> 01:47:23.800 Dan oh by the, way this was not on my. 2773 01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:27.000 Radar you added, him and THEN i almost chose, him 2774 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:29.159 BUT i don't know what the opportunity is gonna look 2775 01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:32.800 like In. Milwaukee casper Shakacionas i'm just a believer. IN 2776 01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:35.199 i was out on him After Summer league last. YEAR 2777 01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:37.600 i thought that he was gonna be like all, flash no, 2778 01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:40.199 Substance and THEN i watched more of him With. Miami 2779 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:42.279 the shooting was way better THAN i expected it to. 2780 01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:44.359 Be and if you put the ball in his, HANDS 2781 01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:46.479 i think he's gonna be able to make like like 2782 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:49.279 past guys. OPEN i just don't, Know Like milwaukee has 2783 01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:52.079 like eighty guards at this, point so we might be 2784 01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:54.520 a year or two. Early and then the final two 2785 01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:57.079 NAMES i want to Mention Guie santos And Golden. State 2786 01:47:57.479 --> 01:48:00.239 is He Jackxa lenderberg is? There so this is Year 2787 01:48:00.319 --> 01:48:02.399 but given the health Of Moses moody And Jimmy, butler 2788 01:48:02.479 --> 01:48:04.920 is he just like the most important wing on this team? 2789 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:07.760 Now as a scary, sentence, Yeah and Then Ugo. 2790 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:12.079 GONZALES i think The celtics were lamenting the lack of 2791 01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:14.960 perimeter rim pressure or rim pressure they have from perimeter. 2792 01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:18.119 Players they then went and traded their best player at 2793 01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:21.640 providing that without really replacing. It who go to, me 2794 01:48:22.199 --> 01:48:24.279 and he threw some passes In Summer. LEAGUE i don't 2795 01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:26.760 feel confident enough in his role With boston just yet 2796 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:28.319 because they have so many guys to pick. Him but 2797 01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:29.920 he was someone else who was on my radar as. 2798 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:33.479 Well, yeah those are good. LISTS i think we'll see Maybe. 2799 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:34.880 GOO i, LIKE i don't really have a lot of 2800 01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:37.039 confidence in him with the ball, yet and they tried 2801 01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:38.680 to do it In Summer league some and it didn't look. 2802 01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:40.960 Great but, again summer league you can't take much away 2803 01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:43.600 from especially for non point guards who are trying to you, 2804 01:48:43.640 --> 01:48:44.239 know run an. 2805 01:48:44.279 --> 01:48:45.199 Offense so we'll. 2806 01:48:45.239 --> 01:48:48.800 See, Uh, mike this was way longer THAN i. Thought 2807 01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:50.079 thank you forgiving me sorry every. 2808 01:48:50.199 --> 01:48:52.720 Time, no you don't need to. APOLOGIZE i hope. 2809 01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:54.159 You didn't need to be, anywhere but are able just 2810 01:48:54.159 --> 01:48:54.520 to tell. 2811 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:58.520 My kids there at camp they're? Fine? Probably probably are? 2812 01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:01.079 They are they in the scouting? Portal? 2813 01:49:01.239 --> 01:49:02.319 Yeah is that where they are their? 2814 01:49:02.359 --> 01:49:05.159 Best my eldest is, five and he is pretty good 2815 01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:06.000 dribbling with both. 2816 01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:07.479 HANDS i would say it only goes off his feet 2817 01:49:07.479 --> 01:49:09.840 every third or fourth, dribble so, yeah they can. 2818 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:10.239 We find him on. 2819 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:12.640 Calshi is he is? 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