Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: When I read that in the CIA document, I about
Speaker 1: dropped it, okay, because, like you said, it says, okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Gateway experience works. This is how you do it.
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, before you really get into
Speaker 1: like the astral travel and the remote viewing, you're going
Speaker 1: to need to do this energy conversion balloon because you've
Speaker 1: got to protect yourself against lower resonating entities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly Howving said it to entities for sure.
Speaker 1: I know what said that, Yeah in the CIA document,
Speaker 1: and I was what And they talk about that these
Speaker 1: entities are of a lower vibrational level. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: maybe those entities are simply in a neighboring dimension at
Speaker 1: a lower vibration. That's the same way that you would
Speaker 1: call the traditional Christian hell or things like that. You know,
Speaker 1: like you know, you go down into hell, you fall
Speaker 1: down into hell. But one thing that I wanted to
Speaker 1: touch on is so they go into they go into
Speaker 1: on page seven full at point twelve holograms, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and just read a quick excerpt
Speaker 1: from that. So they're really really focused on holograms. And
Speaker 1: I am a little bit surprised by that, because I
Speaker 1: was wondering, well, how does that plan into everything? Well,
Speaker 1: it says here, the purest kind of light available to
Speaker 1: us is what is produced by a laser, which sends
Speaker 1: out a beam in which all waves are of one frequency,
Speaker 1: like there's made in an ideal pebble in a perfect pond.
Speaker 1: When two laser beams touch, they produce an interference pattern
Speaker 1: of light and dark ripples that can be recorded on
Speaker 1: a photographic plate. And if one of the beams, instead
Speaker 1: of coming directly from the laser, is reflected first also
Speaker 1: an object such as a human face, the resulting pattern
Speaker 1: will be very complex, indeed, but it can still be recorded.
Speaker 1: The record will be a hologram of the face. So
Speaker 1: they're giving legitimacy to holograms and how holograms work, and
Speaker 1: goes on to say a further importance is the fact
Speaker 1: that even if we dropped a halt, so it goes
Speaker 1: back into this little analogy of like a pebble in
Speaker 1: falling into a pond, it has dropped from our frozen
Speaker 1: hologram of a ripple pattern on the floor and broke
Speaker 1: it into a number of pieces. Each individual piece would
Speaker 1: recreate the entire holographic image, resulting holographic projections, but the
Speaker 1: small but the fact remains that a whole projection would
Speaker 1: nonetheless be made. The key to creating any hologram is
Speaker 1: that energy in motion must interact with energy in a
Speaker 1: state of rest non motion. In the foregoing example, the
Speaker 1: pebble represents energy in motion while the water is in
Speaker 1: a state of rest. To activate, to effect or perceive
Speaker 1: the meaning of a hologram, energy in this case, a
Speaker 1: coherent light source such as a laser beam, must first
Speaker 1: be passed through the interference pattern generated by interaction between
Speaker 1: the moving energy. And it keeps, it keeps kind of
Speaker 1: describing what holograms are and how that they work. But
Speaker 1: then it goes on to say that we live in
Speaker 1: a consciousness matrix. Yeah again, now this is again. Now
Speaker 1: this is the CIA, and they're saying that the universe
Speaker 1: is composed of interacting energy fields, some are at rest
Speaker 1: and some are at motion. It is, in this and
Speaker 1: of itself, one gigantic hologram of unbelievable complexity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you started getting into that stuff, I was
Speaker 2: actually surprised.
Speaker 1: So the CIA just said that we live in a
Speaker 1: in a hologram of unbelievable complexity, and it says that
Speaker 1: the way that we are able to decode the reality
Speaker 1: is the way that we perceive light and the way
Speaker 1: that it comes in through our eyes and and the
Speaker 1: way it's filtered through our brains. That's what that's what
Speaker 1: we see as reality. Right. So they now have said,
Speaker 1: I mean, the weird the weird thing about it is
Speaker 1: they don't even say hypothec like, you know, hypothetically that
Speaker 1: maybe this is what we're in. This is saying that
Speaker 1: this is where we live, that we live in a
Speaker 1: hologram of unbelievable complexity.
Speaker 2: So it's basically saying that this stuff works because of
Speaker 2: that reason. Yeah, that's what that's That's the wild thing
Speaker 2: is that when when you're reading these things, you're you know,
Speaker 2: this article, it's like you start realizing that it's like saying, like,
Speaker 2: this stuff works because this is the situation.
Speaker 1: Right, and that yeah, exactly. So the reason why it's
Speaker 1: even possible is the way that they find all these
Speaker 1: hacks in the systems kind of to all of the
Speaker 1: stuff is because they know what it is as a whole.
Speaker 1: It's a hologram that we live in or the consciousness matrix,
Speaker 1: which I do think is interesting that they use the
Speaker 1: word matrix. I mean, there's so much, so much of
Speaker 1: the symbology of matrix that's always kind of shoved to
Speaker 1: the public. Think about all the matrix movies. You know,
Speaker 1: he's coming out of the matrix to learn his reality
Speaker 1: vote what it really is, you know. I think I
Speaker 1: think movies like that are an analogy of maybe what's
Speaker 1: really going on, Like.
Speaker 2: We were talking about stranger things right right, And.
Speaker 1: For anybody who might think that that's a really far
Speaker 1: out there idea of maybe like the hologram or we
Speaker 1: live in a matrix thing. Just quick reference to the
Speaker 1: Bible Exodus thirty four nineteen, it says Exitus thirty point
Speaker 1: nineteen and that opened the matrix is mine and every
Speaker 1: first among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep. So it
Speaker 1: you know, continues on and it talks about opening a matrix.
Speaker 1: This is God saying this. Here is you know, God's
Speaker 1: words that he made this matrix. So that's in the Bible,
Speaker 1: and that's a really unnn versed there, but it does
Speaker 1: reference itself.
Speaker 2: It's actually kind of crazy that that's in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Yep. It says that the real reason that the real
Speaker 1: reason that we are functioning and doing the things that
Speaker 1: we are in the way that the reason why we
Speaker 1: perceive the holographic matrix the way that we do is
Speaker 1: because CIA says that we have a thing that's called
Speaker 1: a brain in phase, which is very similar the way
Speaker 1: that they explain it here. They say that it operates
Speaker 1: like a computer. Our brain operates like a computer, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately the computer is not quite right because the left
Speaker 1: side of the brain is filtering out everything seems sort
Speaker 1: of like unimportant to the right. So it's saying that
Speaker 1: once you do the Hemi sync that you literally get
Speaker 1: a new feel of reality, and talks about so once
Speaker 1: you do this hemithink that you'll begin to have more
Speaker 1: self cognition. It goes into diagrams page ten about you
Speaker 1: know what happens during the Hemi sync and then how
Speaker 1: you preserve how you begin to perceive reality slightly different
Speaker 1: Just jump real quick here eleven. It says, up to
Speaker 1: this point, our discussion of the gateway process has been
Speaker 1: relatively simple and easy to follow. Right says now the
Speaker 1: fund Be gateway involves more than just perception of those
Speaker 1: aspects of the universal hologram, which can be accessed in
Speaker 1: dimension of space time as we know it. To explain
Speaker 1: how and why human consciousness can be brought to transcend
Speaker 1: the limitations of time space is the next task that
Speaker 1: we must address. To do this, we must first appreciate
Speaker 1: that time and space are in order to understand how
Speaker 1: the dimension that they constitute can be transcended. So they're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we just explained how the dimensions are created,
Speaker 1: and that's how we know we're able to interact between them.
Speaker 1: Physicists define time as ament as a management of energy
Speaker 1: or force. Emotion, in other words, is a measurement of change. However,
Speaker 1: in order for energy to be in motion, it first
Speaker 1: must be limited in some way within the confines of
Speaker 1: some sort of vibratory pattern, so that its confinement gives
Speaker 1: us the capability of being contained at a specific location
Speaker 1: which is distinguishable from other locations, and that is what
Speaker 1: we call space. Energy is not confined, is not confined,
Speaker 1: is not confined, is forced without limit, without dimension, without
Speaker 1: dimension or limited form. Energy is infinity. It cannot move.
Speaker 1: There is nothing beyond infinity, and there is nothing outside
Speaker 1: of the dimension of time. It is also beyond space
Speaker 1: because the concept implied that a specific energy form is
Speaker 1: limited to a specific location, so that they're talking about
Speaker 1: how energy is sort of simply the absolute It is,
Speaker 1: you know, the material of our universe, and that human
Speaker 1: consciousness in altered states can get access to different places
Speaker 1: in time and space.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Focus fifteen I was looking at now is travel
Speaker 2: into the past. Focus twenty one is the future. Right,
Speaker 2: those are different focuses, are like different things inside the
Speaker 2: gateway tapes practices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they say that that's possible here because in
Speaker 1: our dimensions are intervening with other dimensions. I mean, it
Speaker 1: goes deep, it goes all the way into some atomic particles,
Speaker 1: talks about dimensions, It talks about the literal fabric of
Speaker 1: the way that the universe is made. And apparently the
Speaker 1: CIA calls our universe tourists the taurus and its shape.
Speaker 1: It's shaped like an apple.
Speaker 2: They call a taurus, and the OTO calls it horse.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, Well I mean how ironic is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And well, honestly, and then in the drawing when
Speaker 2: it shows you that the Taurus of what they're what
Speaker 2: they're drawing, I mean I could see how you could
Speaker 2: make an h out of that, also turning it a
Speaker 2: different way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the diagram that they drawn the analysis, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it does look like a butterfly too. It's got It
Speaker 1: just looks like if you sliced an apple right in
Speaker 1: half and you had the seeds in the center, and
Speaker 1: then you know, it's got that weird other extra thing
Speaker 1: and then it goes out further. That's exactly what this
Speaker 1: looks like. Their diagram for the space that we live in.
Speaker 1: And they claim in this in this diagram that our
Speaker 1: gas galaxy is north so it's pretty high too. I
Speaker 1: guess what they're saying is the black hole, like a
Speaker 1: not the black hole at the center of our galaxy,
Speaker 1: but like the super big, big, big black hole for
Speaker 1: the entire fabric of space.
Speaker 2: And I found interesting those two pictures that they had.
Speaker 2: One looked like an apple and the other one looked
Speaker 2: like a heart. The way of describing the black.
Speaker 1: Hole, yep, And it says that you have a black
Speaker 1: hole and you have a white hole, and they're at
Speaker 1: opposing ends of the fabric of space, and that get
Speaker 1: that the black hole continuously pulls energy into it and
Speaker 1: then spits it out the other side. In the white
Speaker 1: hole which energy comes out of and then back into
Speaker 1: just like self perpetuating energy. Great thing.
Speaker 2: That's basically Kabbala one on one right there with the
Speaker 2: left and right pillar. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Be
Speaker 2: the best way to explain it, actually break it down
Speaker 2: into energy, be the same way. It's the same same
Speaker 2: exact way that the pillow works.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know in the Kabbala. Once once you
Speaker 1: reach Tiffith, then you could say that's the Godhead, right yeah,
Speaker 1: or like you're out. I mean the way that I
Speaker 1: perceive it at least is that you are outside of
Speaker 1: You're out, You're outside the way that it's it's like
Speaker 1: a separate sphere from the others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's above our perception. Is the way
Speaker 1: that it's always been explained to me. It's like God
Speaker 1: in his purest form.
Speaker 2: It's like a spiritual experience. I think that's the only
Speaker 2: where you can really explain it, right.
Speaker 1: And then it's the same exact thing that they're saying
Speaker 1: right here in this in this document that you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: once you once you sort of reached the highest place,
Speaker 1: you know, you're actually able to exit whatever the stuff
Speaker 1: is that we're in and it gives a lot more
Speaker 1: validity to the past and the Tree of Life. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you do bad stuff, you go down on the
Speaker 1: Tree of Life and peopuld go, you get into more
Speaker 1: dense energy. Same thing they're explaining here. You know, you
Speaker 1: not exactly about the you know, reincarnation stuff, but where
Speaker 1: the white and black holes are located.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I see a lot of that stuff
Speaker 2: with the Tree of Life, which is which is why
Speaker 2: I was saying, I thought it was so weird, Like
Speaker 2: how does that actually really tie into scientifically, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying when we like we weren't supposed to
Speaker 2: know this stuff back then.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, And I think so for all of our
Speaker 1: listeners who are wondering sort of where the CIA went
Speaker 1: with this once they found out this information and they
Speaker 1: were able to consolidate it and figure out what worked,
Speaker 1: and they went on to do some real crazy experiments
Speaker 1: and we have declassified documents that we can get into
Speaker 1: on another episode where they literally were training armies of
Speaker 1: people with the Gateway method to learn to remote view.
Speaker 1: So with the Gateway process, they would be able to
Speaker 1: remote view, meaning they could visit places in the past,
Speaker 1: in the present, of the future, anywhere in space as
Speaker 1: long as they completed the Gateway experience, so total out
Speaker 1: of body travel, total remote viewing. The CIA was doing
Speaker 1: stuff where they were trying to track down the drug smugglers,
Speaker 1: and they were trying to check down, you know, heads
Speaker 1: of state. They wanted to know where you know, this
Speaker 1: president was or this important guy was. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were the you know, the men that scare it stare
Speaker 1: goats that movie in less like a you know, a
Speaker 1: satirical way that's it's real, it's true. But they were
Speaker 1: like New York Patriots said, the shrink of things. She's
Speaker 1: remote viewing, you know.
Speaker 2: You know I would like to bring up is you know,
Speaker 2: which is the reason why we even did this episode.
Speaker 2: I think I had somebody make a comment or a
Speaker 2: question about it. The reason we even had this on
Speaker 2: our show is because well, one we both think that
Speaker 2: it's tied into occult practices, and two the reason we're
Speaker 2: putting it out there is to say, is because our
Speaker 2: you know, this is our government acknowledging that they believe
Speaker 2: in this stuff and that they're probably using it in
Speaker 2: ship to control us or against us. You know, that is,
Speaker 2: that's something that we really didn't going into on the
Speaker 2: first episode. But I I think that's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like what you're starting to get into now.
Speaker 2: It's just that like, you know, who knows what they're
Speaker 2: actually doing with this now, right which and you know,
Speaker 2: and when we're showing and we're just bringing this topic up,
Speaker 2: saying that this, you know, could be actually be doing
Speaker 2: some fucked up ship and it is entire in my opinion,
Speaker 2: tied into occult practices. It's just a it's just a
Speaker 2: different road to get to the same place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to me, this this document is it validates magic.
Speaker 1: I think it proves magic as a scientific reality. I
Speaker 1: think that it proves a lot of things that other
Speaker 1: people would sort of say as woo woo or fake
Speaker 1: or you know, just you know, bullshit. And the CIA
Speaker 1: is saying, well, no, it's not, and actually we're going
Speaker 1: to use it to do a bunch of real crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: And to me, you know, and they were doing this
Speaker 1: in the eighties. They were doing this in the eighties.
Speaker 1: I mean think about what they just to give you
Speaker 1: an idea, and we'll get into this. At some point,
Speaker 1: they were taking people to remote view the Moon, I'm sorry, Mars.
Speaker 1: So they were taking a person who could astrally project
Speaker 1: and remote view, and they gave this person a set
Speaker 1: of coordinates to go to and it was a place
Speaker 1: that they had never been to. Obviously, because it came
Speaker 1: to find out that the location that the CIA had
Speaker 1: sent the remote viewer was to Mars a million years ago,
Speaker 1: and they view.
Speaker 2: That ship in their documents. This isn't like something that
Speaker 2: I found on fucking Twitter, you know. Now, you're actually
Speaker 2: something you can read right off of their Yeah, so
Speaker 2: some do with the sixty k following account didn't drop
Speaker 2: that tweet yesterday, and I'm taking it as gospel. This
Speaker 2: is actually coming from the CIA.
Speaker 1: Right right. I didn't find this in like the basement
Speaker 1: of Reddit. Trust. Yeah. I mean, and if you walked
Speaker 1: up to somebody and you told somebody that on the street,
Speaker 1: they would call you crazy. They would not believe you that, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: the CIA was traveling to Mars. Let mean, come on,
Speaker 1: it sounds like a bunch of you know, you know, bullshit,
Speaker 1: but they were doing it. Mhm and uh. And I
Speaker 1: mean they just went on to do so much more
Speaker 1: with this information, and like your patriot was saying it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what when one group of people have this information in
Speaker 1: the there doesn't no wonder things are as bad as
Speaker 1: they are real. Which is I mean, which.
Speaker 2: Is the main reason, Like where we got into this
Speaker 2: is because it is it's you know, in our in
Speaker 2: our opinion, it's just showing you how there's manipulation probably
Speaker 2: going on with occultism by the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely they understand.
Speaker 2: Well that's how we got onto our show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's probably it's probably the best
Speaker 1: story untold. Like no one really knows too much about
Speaker 1: the Gateway. I think that this information should get out
Speaker 1: to as many people as possible. I mean for you,
Speaker 1: for example, so you you've been doing Gateway for a
Speaker 1: little while, how have you felt compared to let's say
Speaker 1: magical practices.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know. If it was you with
Speaker 2: somebody else I had said it to it, I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, if I would have, I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: instead of let's say and get into the oto ceremonial magic,
Speaker 2: I but did something I probably would have had different
Speaker 2: and probably more positive experiences from this. Now in saying
Speaker 2: that I'm not telling people to go out and do
Speaker 2: it because I had only listened to tapes. But it
Speaker 2: just seemed like a much more not always better, though
Speaker 2: quicker did It seem like a quicker and more easier
Speaker 2: way to get results that took me a lot longer
Speaker 2: on my own with magic practices. Magical practices, for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would agree, Yeah, for sure. I mean that probably
Speaker 2: goes along with the sound, because when I was doing
Speaker 2: the other stuff, it's just me sitting there trying to
Speaker 2: do the things, you know, just sitting alone. Now with
Speaker 2: the sounds added, I'm assuming that's what's helping it, you know,
Speaker 2: come about a lot faster.
Speaker 1: I agree. And then in the document too, they do
Speaker 1: say that there have been cases of people who've been
Speaker 1: standing too close to an air conditioner and that vibration
Speaker 1: accidentally HEMI sync to them, which caused some physical problems.
Speaker 1: I think, so, you know, I I think you're right.
Speaker 1: The major part of the thing that we've been missing
Speaker 1: is the tones, the vibration, and it's focused on it in magic.
Speaker 1: But I would you say it's I wouldn't say it's
Speaker 1: the crux of it.
Speaker 2: No, Well, there is a big thing with ringing bells,
Speaker 2: ringing tinctures, knocks. I you know, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people miss the point of sounds when it comes
Speaker 2: to cermoni or magic it is used, and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't realize, like even when they're
Speaker 2: doing it, that it's actually for my opinion, for the
Speaker 2: vibration that you're actually whatever you're doing. Yeah, I even
Speaker 2: think of that, you know, believe it or not. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, a lot of the stuff some people may
Speaker 2: not know in mad ceremonial magic. You know, all these
Speaker 2: things have associations with herbs, crystals, colors, burning the herbs,
Speaker 2: certain oils, you know, like I said, crystals and stones.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, some of those things I think is
Speaker 2: all to help try to maybe possibly create the rate
Speaker 2: of vibrational rate. And this has always been my opinion
Speaker 2: of magic. Before we even went over this, I thought
Speaker 2: had thought a lot of that stuff some reason for
Speaker 2: burning certain herbs, certain smells, and certain crystals was because
Speaker 2: it's kind of vibrating closer to what you're looking to
Speaker 2: attain or become, you know what I'm saying, Like it's
Speaker 2: the wavelength of that could be going along with what
Speaker 2: you're looking to achieve, as well as that sounds I
Speaker 2: had always thought that regardless prior to getting into like,
Speaker 2: you know, really into this stuff. Is because I had
Speaker 2: always believe, you know, it's scientific proof though everything has
Speaker 2: a fucking vibrational rate, you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 2: a fucking coffee table, a chair, you know, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if it's alive or not. I had just assumed
Speaker 2: that that's probably something behind it that had you know,
Speaker 2: you know, and going over this, I by far definitely
Speaker 2: believe it now. I think that's you know, it all
Speaker 2: has to do with certain vibrations, neither it's from sound
Speaker 2: or what or that you can hear, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've noticed so I noticed that, Like I
Speaker 1: think that the big difference between a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff I've done in the past and this is the
Speaker 1: tunes are directly in your ear. You know, it's way
Speaker 1: more intense. It's not like you're in a room with
Speaker 1: a ringing like a singing bowl or something. And there's
Speaker 1: there's another example of vibration being used for meditative practice practices.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Buddists, they're very specific about what a
Speaker 1: certain singing bowl should resonate at, you know, So there's
Speaker 1: just more hidden is more information there. I mean, they
Speaker 1: knew parts of that too, that there's vibration is very
Speaker 1: important to occult practices. And we're in no way are
Speaker 1: we trying to demonize the Gateway experience or the method
Speaker 1: at all. I definitely think that it's it's legit. I
Speaker 1: think it works. But the turn that I take specifically
Speaker 1: where you know, I'm frustrated with it, has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with Gateway. It has to do with the CIA.
Speaker 1: I mean, the United States government. They know this information
Speaker 1: and they use it to manipulate the masses. I mean,
Speaker 1: just better than a puppeteer. They have a whole separate
Speaker 1: deck of playing cards that they're using that we don't.
Speaker 1: And until that comes out, and until we have equal footing,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to be able to resolve
Speaker 1: a lot of the problems that our society is sort
Speaker 1: of dissolved into it this point, right like, well we
Speaker 1: we something like this needs to come out to change things.
Speaker 1: So there to I mean, you know, they're they're exploring.
Speaker 2: Marsh according to them a million years ago too.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you how much self learning that you could
Speaker 1: you could gain from you know, these practices, how how
Speaker 1: such a positive impact you could make on the world
Speaker 1: around you. And of course the first thing the CIA
Speaker 1: does is they're trying to hunt downs like joke smugglers.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so when we talk about it in that
Speaker 1: way with the relationships, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yep, well I think that sums it up basically. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the gateway experience. I mean, we'll have I'm sure,
Speaker 2: like you said, we're gonna have episodes that because of
Speaker 2: this to go into other things. So this definitely won't
Speaker 2: be the last one, but it sums it up for now.
Speaker 1: H Yeah. One thing I would maybe say right before
Speaker 1: we end is maybe we can post it on one
Speaker 1: of our social media's or something. But the videos that
Speaker 1: we've found. You always have to be kind of careful
Speaker 1: when you're doing anything with essentially brainwashing, because that's what
Speaker 1: you're more or less doing here, you know, along with
Speaker 1: some other things, but you're doing it to yourself. You
Speaker 1: always have to be careful. You don't know where sort
Speaker 1: of the sources come from. You could be getting somebody's
Speaker 1: video that they made and put out there, and halfway
Speaker 1: through the video, you know you're dead asleep you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, and you know the next day you walk,
Speaker 1: you start like walking like a chicken or something, and
Speaker 1: you wonder why that happened, and like halfway halfway through
Speaker 1: your one Row Institute tape, it's like walk like a chicken.
Speaker 2: Basically, my opinion, my whole thing with this is is
Speaker 2: that it's something that I'm not like. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't either promote it or demonize it because I'm not
Speaker 2: exactly sure, like like you're saying right now, is like
Speaker 2: for you know, for all I know, you know, this
Speaker 2: thing could actually work wonders for people, or there could
Speaker 2: be some kind of predictive ship in it to control
Speaker 2: the person using it, which is why I really haven't
Speaker 2: gone too far with it. And who knows, because I've
Speaker 2: come across stuff that isn't the same, So who knows
Speaker 2: what's on YouTube or this and that. So uh, I'm
Speaker 2: we're not like telling you to go out and listen
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 1: Either, right right, Yeah, it just be careful if you do.
Speaker 2: That's on your own ship. Yeah, be careful, yep.
Speaker 1: But I mean, what what an absolutely fascinating subject. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just some of the cooler stuff I've ever researched.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's Cia talking about it. We live in
Speaker 1: a consciousness matrix and the way we perceive reality isn't real,
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, just to get it out of
Speaker 1: of question, do you think personally that the CIA would
Speaker 1: go through this much trouble to put this document out
Speaker 1: two for disinformation? Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The only thing that time.
Speaker 2: I read a lot of shift for nothing, right, Yes.
Speaker 1: Me, I don't know, I don't know. I don't think.
Speaker 1: So it came out in two thousand and three. I mean,
Speaker 1: the internet wasn't really too crazy then, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like they would put it out for disinformation like
Speaker 1: other site psychological psychological operations that they've done. While they
Speaker 1: can evince all of us that magic and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff is fake, you know.
Speaker 2: And I will say, like I say every other episode,
Speaker 2: if you like our stuff, like it, subscribe, pass it on,
Speaker 2: you know, get it out. Uh, we're on bitch Shoot,
Speaker 2: gave tv YouTube. We are on Anchor Spotify and whatever
Speaker 2: other podcasts at Anchor sense too. So yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: you can listen to Yeah and Rumble. So any episodes
Speaker 2: like this you can listen to. You don't have to
Speaker 2: watch it on YouTube a bit shoot. It will be
Speaker 2: a podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've been working with. I've been trying to
Speaker 1: get stuff up on Library. Guys. Sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think Library has been having a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: I'll be r y. I mean feels like it takes.
Speaker 1: It's just really unsteady. It's like watching Joe Biden walk
Speaker 1: a couple of you know, flight of stairs. I don't
Speaker 1: know what is up with it. Now, as soon as
Speaker 1: I can get some some videos up on. There are
Speaker 1: well guys left.
Speaker 2: So yes, so there we go. So I guess until
Speaker 2: the next one. Everybody be well and we'll talk to
Speaker 2: you later.