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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>When I read that in the CIA document, I about

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<v Speaker 1>dropped it, okay, because, like you said, it says, okay, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Gateway experience works. This is how you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and by the way, before you really get into

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<v Speaker 1>like the astral travel and the remote viewing, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to need to do this energy conversion balloon because you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to protect yourself against lower resonating entities.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly Howving said it to entities for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what said that, Yeah in the CIA document,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was what And they talk about that these

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<v Speaker 1>entities are of a lower vibrational level. So maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe those entities are simply in a neighboring dimension at

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<v Speaker 1>a lower vibration. That's the same way that you would

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<v Speaker 1>call the traditional Christian hell or things like that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, you go down into hell, you fall

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<v Speaker 1>down into hell. But one thing that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>touch on is so they go into they go into

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<v Speaker 1>on page seven full at point twelve holograms, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go ahead and just read a quick excerpt

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<v Speaker 1>from that. So they're really really focused on holograms. And

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<v Speaker 1>I am a little bit surprised by that, because I

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<v Speaker 1>was wondering, well, how does that plan into everything? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it says here, the purest kind of light available to

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<v Speaker 1>us is what is produced by a laser, which sends

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<v Speaker 1>out a beam in which all waves are of one frequency,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's made in an ideal pebble in a perfect pond.

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<v Speaker 1>When two laser beams touch, they produce an interference pattern

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<v Speaker 1>of light and dark ripples that can be recorded on

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<v Speaker 1>a photographic plate. And if one of the beams, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of coming directly from the laser, is reflected first also

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<v Speaker 1>an object such as a human face, the resulting pattern

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<v Speaker 1>will be very complex, indeed, but it can still be recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>The record will be a hologram of the face. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're giving legitimacy to holograms and how holograms work, and

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to say a further importance is the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that even if we dropped a halt, so it goes

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<v Speaker 1>back into this little analogy of like a pebble in

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<v Speaker 1>falling into a pond, it has dropped from our frozen

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<v Speaker 1>hologram of a ripple pattern on the floor and broke

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<v Speaker 1>it into a number of pieces. Each individual piece would

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<v Speaker 1>recreate the entire holographic image, resulting holographic projections, but the

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<v Speaker 1>small but the fact remains that a whole projection would

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<v Speaker 1>nonetheless be made. The key to creating any hologram is

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<v Speaker 1>that energy in motion must interact with energy in a

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<v Speaker 1>state of rest non motion. In the foregoing example, the

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<v Speaker 1>pebble represents energy in motion while the water is in

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<v Speaker 1>a state of rest. To activate, to effect or perceive

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<v Speaker 1>the meaning of a hologram, energy in this case, a

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<v Speaker 1>coherent light source such as a laser beam, must first

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<v Speaker 1>be passed through the interference pattern generated by interaction between

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<v Speaker 1>the moving energy. And it keeps, it keeps kind of

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<v Speaker 1>describing what holograms are and how that they work. But

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<v Speaker 1>then it goes on to say that we live in

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<v Speaker 1>a consciousness matrix. Yeah again, now this is again. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is the CIA, and they're saying that the universe

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<v Speaker 1>is composed of interacting energy fields, some are at rest

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<v Speaker 1>and some are at motion. It is, in this and

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<v Speaker 1>of itself, one gigantic hologram of unbelievable complexity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you started getting into that stuff, I was

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<v Speaker 2>actually surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>So the CIA just said that we live in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a hologram of unbelievable complexity, and it says that

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<v Speaker 1>the way that we are able to decode the reality

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<v Speaker 1>is the way that we perceive light and the way

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<v Speaker 1>that it comes in through our eyes and and the

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<v Speaker 1>way it's filtered through our brains. That's what that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we see as reality. Right. So they now have said,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the weird the weird thing about it is

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<v Speaker 1>they don't even say hypothec like, you know, hypothetically that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is what we're in. This is saying that

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<v Speaker 1>this is where we live, that we live in a

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<v Speaker 1>hologram of unbelievable complexity.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's basically saying that this stuff works because of

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<v Speaker 2>that reason. Yeah, that's what that's That's the wild thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that when when you're reading these things, you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this article, it's like you start realizing that it's like saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff works because this is the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and that yeah, exactly. So the reason why it's

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<v Speaker 1>even possible is the way that they find all these

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<v Speaker 1>hacks in the systems kind of to all of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is because they know what it is as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a hologram that we live in or the consciousness matrix,

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<v Speaker 1>which I do think is interesting that they use the

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<v Speaker 1>word matrix. I mean, there's so much, so much of

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<v Speaker 1>the symbology of matrix that's always kind of shoved to

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<v Speaker 1>the public. Think about all the matrix movies. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's coming out of the matrix to learn his reality

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<v Speaker 1>vote what it really is, you know. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think movies like that are an analogy of maybe what's

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<v Speaker 1>really going on, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about stranger things right right, And.

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<v Speaker 1>For anybody who might think that that's a really far

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<v Speaker 1>out there idea of maybe like the hologram or we

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<v Speaker 1>live in a matrix thing. Just quick reference to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible Exodus thirty four nineteen, it says Exitus thirty point

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and that opened the matrix is mine and every

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<v Speaker 1>first among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep. So it

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<v Speaker 1>you know, continues on and it talks about opening a matrix.

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<v Speaker 1>This is God saying this. Here is you know, God's

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<v Speaker 1>words that he made this matrix. So that's in the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a really unnn versed there, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>reference itself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually kind of crazy that that's in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. It says that the real reason that the real

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<v Speaker 1>reason that we are functioning and doing the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we are in the way that the reason why we

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<v Speaker 1>perceive the holographic matrix the way that we do is

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<v Speaker 1>because CIA says that we have a thing that's called

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<v Speaker 1>a brain in phase, which is very similar the way

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<v Speaker 1>that they explain it here. They say that it operates

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<v Speaker 1>like a computer. Our brain operates like a computer, and

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately the computer is not quite right because the left

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<v Speaker 1>side of the brain is filtering out everything seems sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like unimportant to the right. So it's saying that

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<v Speaker 1>once you do the Hemi sync that you literally get

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<v Speaker 1>a new feel of reality, and talks about so once

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<v Speaker 1>you do this hemithink that you'll begin to have more

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<v Speaker 1>self cognition. It goes into diagrams page ten about you

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<v Speaker 1>know what happens during the Hemi sync and then how

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<v Speaker 1>you preserve how you begin to perceive reality slightly different

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<v Speaker 1>Just jump real quick here eleven. It says, up to

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<v Speaker 1>this point, our discussion of the gateway process has been

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<v Speaker 1>relatively simple and easy to follow. Right says now the

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<v Speaker 1>fund Be gateway involves more than just perception of those

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of the universal hologram, which can be accessed in

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<v Speaker 1>dimension of space time as we know it. To explain

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<v Speaker 1>how and why human consciousness can be brought to transcend

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<v Speaker 1>the limitations of time space is the next task that

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<v Speaker 1>we must address. To do this, we must first appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>that time and space are in order to understand how

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<v Speaker 1>the dimension that they constitute can be transcended. So they're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, we just explained how the dimensions are created,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how we know we're able to interact between them.

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<v Speaker 1>Physicists define time as ament as a management of energy

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<v Speaker 1>or force. Emotion, in other words, is a measurement of change. However,

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<v Speaker 1>in order for energy to be in motion, it first

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<v Speaker 1>must be limited in some way within the confines of

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of vibratory pattern, so that its confinement gives

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<v Speaker 1>us the capability of being contained at a specific location

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<v Speaker 1>which is distinguishable from other locations, and that is what

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<v Speaker 1>we call space. Energy is not confined, is not confined,

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<v Speaker 1>is not confined, is forced without limit, without dimension, without

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<v Speaker 1>dimension or limited form. Energy is infinity. It cannot move.

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<v Speaker 1>There is nothing beyond infinity, and there is nothing outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the dimension of time. It is also beyond space

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<v Speaker 1>because the concept implied that a specific energy form is

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<v Speaker 1>limited to a specific location, so that they're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how energy is sort of simply the absolute It is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the material of our universe, and that human

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness in altered states can get access to different places

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<v Speaker 1>in time and space.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Focus fifteen I was looking at now is travel

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<v Speaker 2>into the past. Focus twenty one is the future. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>those are different focuses, are like different things inside the

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<v Speaker 2>gateway tapes practices.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they say that that's possible here because in

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<v Speaker 1>our dimensions are intervening with other dimensions. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>goes deep, it goes all the way into some atomic particles,

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<v Speaker 1>talks about dimensions, It talks about the literal fabric of

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<v Speaker 1>the way that the universe is made. And apparently the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA calls our universe tourists the taurus and its shape.

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<v Speaker 1>It's shaped like an apple.

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<v Speaker 2>They call a taurus, and the OTO calls it horse.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Yeah, Well I mean how ironic is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And well, honestly, and then in the drawing when

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<v Speaker 2>it shows you that the Taurus of what they're what

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<v Speaker 2>they're drawing, I mean I could see how you could

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<v Speaker 2>make an h out of that, also turning it a

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<v Speaker 2>different way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And the diagram that they drawn the analysis, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it does look like a butterfly too. It's got It

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<v Speaker 1>just looks like if you sliced an apple right in

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<v Speaker 1>half and you had the seeds in the center, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, it's got that weird other extra thing

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<v Speaker 1>and then it goes out further. That's exactly what this

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<v Speaker 1>looks like. Their diagram for the space that we live in.

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<v Speaker 1>And they claim in this in this diagram that our

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<v Speaker 1>gas galaxy is north so it's pretty high too. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what they're saying is the black hole, like a

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<v Speaker 1>not the black hole at the center of our galaxy,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the super big, big, big black hole for

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<v Speaker 1>the entire fabric of space.

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<v Speaker 2>And I found interesting those two pictures that they had.

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<v Speaker 2>One looked like an apple and the other one looked

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<v Speaker 2>like a heart. The way of describing the black.

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<v Speaker 1>Hole, yep, And it says that you have a black

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<v Speaker 1>hole and you have a white hole, and they're at

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<v Speaker 1>opposing ends of the fabric of space, and that get

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<v Speaker 1>that the black hole continuously pulls energy into it and

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<v Speaker 1>then spits it out the other side. In the white

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<v Speaker 1>hole which energy comes out of and then back into

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<v Speaker 1>just like self perpetuating energy. Great thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's basically Kabbala one on one right there with the

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<v Speaker 2>left and right pillar. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Be

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<v Speaker 2>the best way to explain it, actually break it down

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<v Speaker 2>into energy, be the same way. It's the same same

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<v Speaker 2>exact way that the pillow works.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know in the Kabbala. Once once you

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<v Speaker 1>reach Tiffith, then you could say that's the Godhead, right yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or like you're out. I mean the way that I

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<v Speaker 1>perceive it at least is that you are outside of

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<v Speaker 1>You're out, You're outside the way that it's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a separate sphere from the others.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a it's above our perception. Is the way

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<v Speaker 1>that it's always been explained to me. It's like God

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<v Speaker 1>in his purest form.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a spiritual experience. I think that's the only

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<v Speaker 2>where you can really explain it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's the same exact thing that they're saying

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<v Speaker 1>right here in this in this document that you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>once you once you sort of reached the highest place,

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<v Speaker 1>dense energy. Same thing they're explaining here. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, I see a lot of that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>how does that actually really tie into scientifically, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying when we like we weren't supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yeah, And I think so for all of our

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<v Speaker 1>and we have declassified documents that we can get into

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<v Speaker 1>on another episode where they literally were training armies of

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<v Speaker 1>So with the Gateway process, they would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>in the present, of the future, anywhere in space as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they completed the Gateway experience, so total out

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<v Speaker 1>of body travel, total remote viewing. The CIA was doing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff where they were trying to track down the drug smugglers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were trying to check down, you know, heads

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<v Speaker 1>of state. They wanted to know where you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>president was or this important guy was. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>goats that movie in less like a you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>satirical way that's it's real, it's true. But they were

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<v Speaker 1>like New York Patriots said, the shrink of things. She's

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<v Speaker 2>You know I would like to bring up is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the reason why we even did this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I had somebody make a comment or a

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<v Speaker 2>it's tied into occult practices, and two the reason we're

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<v Speaker 2>putting it out there is to say, is because our

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is our government acknowledging that they believe

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<v Speaker 2>ship to control us or against us. You know, that is,

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that we really didn't going into on the

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<v Speaker 2>first episode. But I I think that's uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like what you're starting to get into now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that like, you know, who knows what they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually doing with this now, right which and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and when we're showing and we're just bringing this topic up,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that this, you know, could be actually be doing

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<v Speaker 2>some fucked up ship and it is entire in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>tied into occult practices. It's just a it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>different road to get to the same place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And to me, this this document is it validates magic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it proves magic as a scientific reality. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it proves a lot of things that other

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<v Speaker 1>people would sort of say as woo woo or fake

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, just you know, bullshit. And the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>is saying, well, no, it's not, and actually we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to use it to do a bunch of real crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, you know, and they were doing this

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties. They were doing this in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean think about what they just to give you

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<v Speaker 1>an idea, and we'll get into this. At some point,

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<v Speaker 1>they were taking people to remote view the Moon, I'm sorry, Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were taking a person who could astrally project

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<v Speaker 1>and remote view, and they gave this person a set

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<v Speaker 1>that they had never been to. Obviously, because it came

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<v Speaker 1>to find out that the location that the CIA had

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<v Speaker 1>sent the remote viewer was to Mars a million years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and they view.

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<v Speaker 2>That ship in their documents. This isn't like something that

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<v Speaker 2>I found on fucking Twitter, you know. Now, you're actually

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<v Speaker 2>something you can read right off of their Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>some do with the sixty k following account didn't drop

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<v Speaker 2>that tweet yesterday, and I'm taking it as gospel. This

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<v Speaker 2>is actually coming from the CIA.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right. I didn't find this in like the basement

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<v Speaker 1>of Reddit. Trust. Yeah. I mean, and if you walked

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<v Speaker 1>up to somebody and you told somebody that on the street,

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<v Speaker 1>they would call you crazy. They would not believe you that, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA was traveling to Mars. Let mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a bunch of you know, you know, bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were doing it. Mhm and uh. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they just went on to do so much more

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<v Speaker 1>with this information, and like your patriot was saying it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what when one group of people have this information in

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<v Speaker 1>the there doesn't no wonder things are as bad as

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<v Speaker 1>they are real. Which is I mean, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the main reason, Like where we got into this

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<v Speaker 2>is because it is it's you know, in our in

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<v Speaker 2>our opinion, it's just showing you how there's manipulation probably

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<v Speaker 2>going on with occultism by the government.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, definitely they understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's how we got onto our show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it's it's probably it's probably the best

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<v Speaker 1>story untold. Like no one really knows too much about

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<v Speaker 1>the Gateway. I think that this information should get out

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<v Speaker 1>to as many people as possible. I mean for you,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, so you you've been doing Gateway for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, how have you felt compared to let's say

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<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know. If it was you with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else I had said it to it, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I would have, I guess, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of let's say and get into the oto ceremonial magic,

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<v Speaker 2>I but did something I probably would have had different

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<v Speaker 2>and probably more positive experiences from this. Now in saying

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not telling people to go out and do

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<v Speaker 2>it because I had only listened to tapes. But it

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<v Speaker 2>just seemed like a much more not always better, though

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<v Speaker 2>quicker did It seem like a quicker and more easier

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<v Speaker 2>way to get results that took me a lot longer

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<v Speaker 2>on my own with magic practices. Magical practices, for sure, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree, Yeah, for sure. I mean that probably

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<v Speaker 2>goes along with the sound, because when I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>the other stuff, it's just me sitting there trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do the things, you know, just sitting alone. Now with

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<v Speaker 2>the sounds added, I'm assuming that's what's helping it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>come about a lot faster.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. And then in the document too, they do

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<v Speaker 1>say that there have been cases of people who've been

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<v Speaker 1>standing too close to an air conditioner and that vibration

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally HEMI sync to them, which caused some physical problems.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, so, you know, I I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>The major part of the thing that we've been missing

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<v Speaker 1>is the tones, the vibration, and it's focused on it in magic.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would you say it's I wouldn't say it's

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<v Speaker 1>the crux of it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Well, there is a big thing with ringing bells,

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<v Speaker 2>ringing tinctures, knocks. I you know, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people miss the point of sounds when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to cermoni or magic it is used, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people don't realize, like even when they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, that it's actually for my opinion, for the

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<v Speaker 2>vibration that you're actually whatever you're doing. Yeah, I even

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<v Speaker 2>think of that, you know, believe it or not. In

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, a lot of the stuff some people may

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<v Speaker 2>not know in mad ceremonial magic. You know, all these

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<v Speaker 2>things have associations with herbs, crystals, colors, burning the herbs,

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<v Speaker 2>certain oils, you know, like I said, crystals and stones.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, some of those things I think is

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<v Speaker 2>of vibrational rate. And this has always been my opinion

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<v Speaker 2>of magic. Before we even went over this, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>had thought a lot of that stuff some reason for

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<v Speaker 2>burning certain herbs, certain smells, and certain crystals was because

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of vibrating closer to what you're looking to

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<v Speaker 2>attain or become, you know what I'm saying, Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>the wavelength of that could be going along with what

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking to achieve, as well as that sounds I

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<v Speaker 2>had always thought that regardless prior to getting into like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, really into this stuff. Is because I had

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<v Speaker 2>always believe, you know, it's scientific proof though everything has

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking vibrational rate, you know what I'm saying. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking coffee table, a chair, you know, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if it's alive or not. I had just assumed

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<v Speaker 2>that that's probably something behind it that had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and going over this, I by far definitely

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<v Speaker 2>believe it now. I think that's you know, it all

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with certain vibrations, neither it's from sound

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<v Speaker 2>or what or that you can hear, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I've noticed so I noticed that, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the big difference between a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I've done in the past and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>tunes are directly in your ear. You know, it's way

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<v Speaker 1>more intense. It's not like you're in a room with

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<v Speaker 1>a ringing like a singing bowl or something. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's another example of vibration being used for meditative practice practices.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Buddists, they're very specific about what a

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<v Speaker 1>certain singing bowl should resonate at, you know, So there's

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<v Speaker 1>just more hidden is more information there. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>knew parts of that too, that there's vibration is very

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<v Speaker 1>important to occult practices. And we're in no way are

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<v Speaker 1>we trying to demonize the Gateway experience or the method

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I definitely think that it's it's legit. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it works. But the turn that I take specifically

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, I'm frustrated with it, has nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with Gateway. It has to do with the CIA.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the United States government. They know this information

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<v Speaker 1>and they use it to manipulate the masses. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just better than a puppeteer. They have a whole separate

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<v Speaker 1>deck of playing cards that they're using that we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>And until that comes out, and until we have equal footing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not going to be able to resolve

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the problems that our society is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of dissolved into it this point, right like, well we

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<v Speaker 1>we something like this needs to come out to change things.

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<v Speaker 1>So there to I mean, you know, they're they're exploring.

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<v Speaker 2>Marsh according to them a million years ago too.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine if you how much self learning that you could

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<v Speaker 1>you could gain from you know, these practices, how how

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<v Speaker 1>such a positive impact you could make on the world

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<v Speaker 1>around you. And of course the first thing the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>does is they're trying to hunt downs like joke smugglers.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so when we talk about it in that

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<v Speaker 1>way with the relationships, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, well I think that sums it up basically. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the gateway experience. I mean, we'll have I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, we're gonna have episodes that because of

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<v Speaker 2>this to go into other things. So this definitely won't

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<v Speaker 2>be the last one, but it sums it up for now.

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<v Speaker 1>H Yeah. One thing I would maybe say right before

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<v Speaker 1>we end is maybe we can post it on one

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<v Speaker 1>of our social media's or something. But the videos that

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<v Speaker 1>we've found. You always have to be kind of careful

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<v Speaker 1>when you're doing anything with essentially brainwashing, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you're more or less doing here, you know, along with

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<v Speaker 1>some other things, but you're doing it to yourself. You

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<v Speaker 1>always have to be careful. You don't know where sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the sources come from. You could be getting somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>video that they made and put out there, and halfway

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<v Speaker 1>through the video, you know you're dead asleep you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this, and you know the next day you walk,

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<v Speaker 1>you start like walking like a chicken or something, and

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<v Speaker 1>you wonder why that happened, and like halfway halfway through

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<v Speaker 1>your one Row Institute tape, it's like walk like a chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, my opinion, my whole thing with this is is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's something that I'm not like. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't either promote it or demonize it because I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>exactly sure, like like you're saying right now, is like

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, for all I know, you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>thing could actually work wonders for people, or there could

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<v Speaker 2>be some kind of predictive ship in it to control

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<v Speaker 2>the person using it, which is why I really haven't

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<v Speaker 2>gone too far with it. And who knows, because I've

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<v Speaker 2>come across stuff that isn't the same, So who knows

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<v Speaker 2>what's on YouTube or this and that. So uh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>we're not like telling you to go out and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Either, right right, Yeah, it just be careful if you do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's on your own ship. Yeah, be careful, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, what what an absolutely fascinating subject. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just some of the cooler stuff I've ever researched.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's Cia talking about it. We live in

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<v Speaker 1>a consciousness matrix and the way we perceive reality isn't real,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I mean, just to get it out of

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<v Speaker 1>of question, do you think personally that the CIA would

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<v Speaker 1>go through this much trouble to put this document out

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<v Speaker 1>two for disinformation? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that time.

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<v Speaker 2>I read a lot of shift for nothing, right, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, I don't know, I don't know. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>So it came out in two thousand and three. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the internet wasn't really too crazy then, so it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem like they would put it out for disinformation like

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<v Speaker 1>other site psychological psychological operations that they've done. While they

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<v Speaker 1>can evince all of us that magic and all of

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff is fake, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will say, like I say every other episode,

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<v Speaker 2>if you like our stuff, like it, subscribe, pass it on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get it out. Uh, we're on bitch Shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>gave tv YouTube. We are on Anchor Spotify and whatever

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<v Speaker 2>other podcasts at Anchor sense too. So yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can listen to Yeah and Rumble. So any episodes

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<v Speaker 2>like this you can listen to. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it on YouTube a bit shoot. It will be

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I've been working with. I've been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get stuff up on Library. Guys. Sorry, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Library has been having a lot of trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be r y. I mean feels like it takes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just really unsteady. It's like watching Joe Biden walk

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of you know, flight of stairs. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what is up with it. Now, as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>I can get some some videos up on. There are

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<v Speaker 1>well guys left.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, so there we go. So I guess until

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<v Speaker 2>the next one. Everybody be well and we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you later.
