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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 5>It's Later with mo Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>We're alive everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and YouTube and

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<v Speaker 2>joining us now in the studio. We've missed her. She's

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<v Speaker 2>been gone away handling some family business. Jackie Ray, is

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<v Speaker 2>good to see you. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good to be back. It's good to see you too.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot has happened since you were gone. Yes, let's

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<v Speaker 2>bring up Jackuarray on the camera. Let's get into Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>Sharp if we must. When and I are both Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>Sharp fans of what he does. Yes, but there has

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<v Speaker 2>been something missing in my commentary about Shannon Sharp specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to reduce you to this, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's essential to have this a female perspective on

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon Sharp, what he may have alleged, what has been

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<v Speaker 2>alleged that he has done, and how we should look

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<v Speaker 2>upon it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Like you said, I am a Shannon Sharp fan. However,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a fan of men who act like Shannon Sharp,

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<v Speaker 4>if that makes more sense. I'm more a fan of

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<v Speaker 4>people who have a level of accountability, not I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to call it toxic masculinity, as much as I

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<v Speaker 4>want to call it. There's a reason why men in

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<v Speaker 4>Shannon Sharp's age group go after women that are nineteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Speak on it. Let's don't run past that sunk.

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<v Speaker 4>In my opinion, I think men who are in their fifties,

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<v Speaker 4>mid fifties, sixties, whatever, they go after young women who

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<v Speaker 4>are in their nineteen because they can legally do that.

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<v Speaker 4>So if they could legally get away with going younger,

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<v Speaker 4>they would go younger, which makes you a pedophile.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just call it what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>And so for me, when you say stuff like you

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<v Speaker 4>don't like and then Shannon Sharp is on record saying this,

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<v Speaker 4>when you say stuff like, oh, these older women they

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<v Speaker 4>like to boast their independence where younger women don't. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard to boast independence when you live at home

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<v Speaker 4>with your parents. It's hard to boast independence when you're

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<v Speaker 4>still in college. What you're saying is is you want

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<v Speaker 4>somebody that you can manipulate financial and probably mentally, because

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<v Speaker 4>you can. And when we heard the recording of him

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<v Speaker 4>saying to her, she she doesn't want to go she

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<v Speaker 4>wants to go out because she doesn't want to get

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<v Speaker 4>choked out, and he says, well, who says I won't

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<v Speaker 4>choke you out in public? There's a reason why you

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<v Speaker 4>are dating a specific type of woman.

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<v Speaker 5>She would.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying that he wouldn't be able to say that

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<v Speaker 2>to a forty five year old woman.

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<v Speaker 4>He could, but it would probably come with some consequences.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean, because if you don't choke

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<v Speaker 4>me out in public, we might be tussling.

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<v Speaker 5>So you know you are going to hit him as

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<v Speaker 5>hard as you can.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, So it's a different level of And you know

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of men say this that when women, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>boast their independence, it's saying they don't need a man.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need a man who wants to choke me

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<v Speaker 3>out in public. There's a difference.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I think Shannon Sharp has kind of centered

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<v Speaker 4>himself in this in this place where he feels like

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<v Speaker 4>he has to be the one who dominates the situation

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<v Speaker 4>in every aspect financially, physically, and the best way to

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<v Speaker 4>do that is with somebody. Because what kind of bills

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<v Speaker 4>could you have at nineteen so that he can't handle exactly, So,

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<v Speaker 4>when you're saying, oh, I can take care of this person, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>When you get a woman who's in her thirties and

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<v Speaker 4>you're talking about you can take care of her, that's

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<v Speaker 4>a bigger financial responsibility. So just say that you don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to have to be financially obligated to a woman

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<v Speaker 4>who is grown up and can take care of herself.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, if you would say that, I would respect him

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<v Speaker 6>for it. Here's the next question. I believe that his

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<v Speaker 6>career and brand are circling the dream. I've listened very

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<v Speaker 6>closely to what Stephen A.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith, someone who brought him to ESPN, has been saying,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been, in my estimation, creating daylight between him

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<v Speaker 2>and Shannon Sharp to not get any of the Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>Sharp stink on him. Where do you think this leads

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of the lawsuits?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, so Shannon kind of boasted when he had

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<v Speaker 4>I forget who it was on his show? Was it

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<v Speaker 4>Kat Williams that made him more money than he said

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<v Speaker 4>he had ever made before. So we've really kind of

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<v Speaker 4>dived into this Uncle Shay Shay so he has a

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<v Speaker 4>platform beyond e ESPN.

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<v Speaker 5>So and also Nightcap with.

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<v Speaker 4>And that one's always fun because neither one of them

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<v Speaker 4>have a lick of sense on that show, so it's

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<v Speaker 4>fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very lighthearted.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't think you can really cancel him per se,

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<v Speaker 4>because I do think we've seen this with Deshaun Watson.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a group a demographic of people who will say,

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<v Speaker 4>Deshaun Watson Cleveland Browns who had a same attorney. By

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<v Speaker 4>the way, Tony Buzzby kind of brought those women about

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<v Speaker 4>to say that, you know, Deshaun Watson had sexually harassed them.

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<v Speaker 4>So there is going to be a demographic of people

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<v Speaker 4>that say, well, this is consensual, full stop, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>nothing to talk about. This woman is just trying to

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<v Speaker 4>get a financial payout. So I don't think that this

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<v Speaker 4>is going to ruin his career. It might ruin his

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<v Speaker 4>time with ESPN, but I don't think it ruins his career.

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<v Speaker 2>Does this make him unhirable by a network like the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL network or some other legitimate broadcasting or cable YEP outlet.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good question because every outlet is suffering in

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<v Speaker 4>some way. Every outlet is losing viewership in some way.

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<v Speaker 4>So then it becomes a question of do we get

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<v Speaker 4>an influx of viewers because we've presented this shock value.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think you just really have to kind of

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<v Speaker 4>read the room. If he beats the case, if he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't settle, if he goes to court, that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 4>would public perception change. I still think he has a shot.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it has changed my perception of him. But then

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<v Speaker 4>now we're having the debate with the R Kelly like,

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<v Speaker 4>can you still listen to his music but hate what

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<v Speaker 4>he did as a person, And so now you'll have

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<v Speaker 4>that debate. Can we still appreciate him to be a

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<v Speaker 4>great commentary he brings a lot of humor, or do

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<v Speaker 4>we just resign him to this moment in time? And

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we would would ever do that with Shannon.

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<v Speaker 2>We when I say we, the media has speculated on

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<v Speaker 2>other people, be it Ditty or Kelly, for any number

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<v Speaker 2>of reasons. I am going to intentionally speculate in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense of broaching a possibility which I've not heard elsewhere. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's fair to bring it up for

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<v Speaker 2>those who don't know. Shannon Sharp is an NFL Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Famer. He is, he played a number of years

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFL. I'm from Denver, so we've big fans. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>has there been any discussion to your knowledge of whether

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<v Speaker 2>there also might be a variable of CTE in this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mentioned that if only because CTE has been

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<v Speaker 2>known to create violent impulses and a switch in a

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<v Speaker 2>person's personality where they can be cool one moment and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden they can be almost murderous violent.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen if there isn't, there's been no discussions of that

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<v Speaker 4>to my knowledge, but if I was his attorney, I

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<v Speaker 4>definitely would explore that, especially since you can't properly diagno

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<v Speaker 4>cte until death.

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<v Speaker 3>So we do know that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, in the case of Junior, say how it

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<v Speaker 4>resulted in him taking his own site.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>So it does manifest itself in different ways. We've seen

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<v Speaker 4>people act violently, We've seen people go into great depressions.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no way to really know how someone's going to

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<v Speaker 4>react to that, And so if I was his attorney,

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<v Speaker 4>I would lean into that, and I would lean in

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<v Speaker 4>and say, you know what, he realizes now his behavior

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<v Speaker 4>was wrong. He's going to get the help that he

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<v Speaker 4>needs because that's what people really want. They want accountability,

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what I would lean into.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of hard to say you want accountability, we're

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<v Speaker 2>up until this point you've been like, no, not only

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<v Speaker 2>he's has he denied everything, He's going to the offensive

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<v Speaker 2>to bash the character of the accuser releasing the text messages.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it seems like I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>can put that toothpaste back in the tooth.

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<v Speaker 3>See.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I go both ways on that, because when you

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<v Speaker 4>when you've been accused of something, if you believe you're right. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>whether I believe he's right is irrelevant. But if he

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<v Speaker 4>believes he's right, he definitely should have released the text

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<v Speaker 4>messages because in his mind he feels that that's going

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<v Speaker 4>to prove his innocence.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, it made him look far more guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me jump in there. But in releasing those

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<v Speaker 2>text messages, which were very inflammatory, inflammatory, he also released

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<v Speaker 2>the name of the Jane Doe, which of who I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not repeating here.

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<v Speaker 5>Has he set himself up?

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're not legal scholars, but I wonder I

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<v Speaker 2>would wonder whether he set himself up for a slam

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<v Speaker 2>dunk defamation case.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the best defense against defamation is the truth, and

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<v Speaker 4>so from everything we've seen, it was consensual. So we

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<v Speaker 4>would have to astart as he's as far as what

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<v Speaker 4>he's saying. But even she has said, I've I read

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<v Speaker 4>a report the other day that said, yes, the relationship

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<v Speaker 4>was consensual. It's not that she's disputing that, she's disputing

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<v Speaker 4>the level of violence that happened to her.

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<v Speaker 2>And also she's disputing, yes, the relationship was consensual, just

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<v Speaker 2>not every act within the relationship was consensual.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So it's that old saying she said yes one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred times. If she said no one time and you

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<v Speaker 4>acted on that anyway, then that's a problem. But then

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<v Speaker 4>it's always going to come down to where's the proof

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<v Speaker 4>in that. Did she go to the police immediately? Who

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<v Speaker 4>did she talk to about this? And that's when it

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<v Speaker 4>becomes he said, she said, And then it just becomes

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<v Speaker 4>impossible to approve.

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<v Speaker 2>Until until other receipts may pop up because from what

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<v Speaker 2>we understand, they recorded a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we we saw his Instagram live, so we know

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<v Speaker 4>he has no problems.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the camera being OneD and his concept.

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<v Speaker 4>Of of consent might be different than hers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and then why isn't there a discussion about that?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh it's coming.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean this and this is for the young

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<v Speaker 4>men out there. There should always be a constant conversation

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<v Speaker 4>about consent. Consent isn't a one time conversation. It is

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<v Speaker 4>an ongoing conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>Throughout the act, throughout the relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Because just because she in this case says yes to

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<v Speaker 2>the act in a general sense, does I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>she approves everything that he wants to do during that act?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And don't don't try to flip me up. You know

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't try to switch me up. I don't try to

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we have to talk about Jalen Hurts,

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<v Speaker 2>the Superstar in Super Bowl MVP, quarterback of the Super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. They visited the White House today.

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<v Speaker 5>But coming to the White House doesn't mean that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>Sheila Hurt said he had a scheduling conflict or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Yep, let's talk about that and the implicit

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<v Speaker 2>politics of any White House visit once again when we

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<v Speaker 5>It's Later with mo Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacki Ray joins me on YouTube and also the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 5>Can't Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Later with Mo Kelly alive everywhere on the iHeartRadio app,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're in the chat with us on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be clear. We can disagree, disagree, but we will

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<v Speaker 2>not be disrespectful to one another or even a guest

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<v Speaker 2>on this show, So let's keep it on topic. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the spirited nature of the chat, but sometimes some

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<v Speaker 2>people go too far. Jackie Ray, you've been joining us

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<v Speaker 2>as customary with Beyond the box Score. We had talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this subject in a general sense, about sports and

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<v Speaker 2>politics and the politics of visiting the White House. I

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<v Speaker 2>was of the opinion we need to dead that tradition

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<v Speaker 2>because we are not in a place where it can

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<v Speaker 2>be viewed through the lens of sports.

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<v Speaker 5>Celebration.

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<v Speaker 2>We had Philadelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley go golfing,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, with President Trump and fly back with him

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<v Speaker 5>He received a lot of criticism for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Hurts, the Super Bowl quarterback in MVP, did not

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<v Speaker 2>attend the White House celebration today. He was asked incessantly

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<v Speaker 2>in the weeks leading up to this are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to go? He didn't answer, and then he didn't show up.

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<v Speaker 2>The public reason he gave was a scheduling conflict or

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<v Speaker 5>Why are we still doing this?

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<v Speaker 4>There's no logical reason why you still have teams come

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<v Speaker 4>there is a specific demographic of people who will be

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<v Speaker 4>bet my last dollar that those are the same people

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<v Speaker 4>that would say we need to keep politics out out

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<v Speaker 4>of sports. And so you're speaking with a double mind,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're a hypocrite flat out. And so if we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to keep politics out of sports, then guess what

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<v Speaker 4>you don't do. You don't go to the biggest political

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<v Speaker 4>office in the country, and because there is whether you

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<v Speaker 4>support that person or not, there is an image that

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<v Speaker 4>did the right thing because the politics that are coming

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<v Speaker 4>I think he did the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>What if Jalen Hurts were to say, look, I'm an

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<v Speaker 2>this president, either personally or politically or his policy. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you think people would respond to him if he

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<v Speaker 4>Then I think the hypocrites would come out in droves

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<v Speaker 4>and they would call him anti American, and they would

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<v Speaker 5>I've already seen the message.

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<v Speaker 3>So we know.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was no win in this. There's no win

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<v Speaker 4>in saying, hey, I'm not against my colleagues who want

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<v Speaker 4>anti American and every other term they can think of.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no win in not supporting someone who the majority

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<v Speaker 4>of people who have leaned into for reasons that are

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<v Speaker 4>of people that are operating without logic, then you can't

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<v Speaker 4>expect a logical response to a man who said, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not going to win if I say something, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the other side. I've said it before and

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<v Speaker 2>then to say when the president inserts himself into sports,

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<v Speaker 2>commenting on things that are going on in sports, and

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<v Speaker 5>You know I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way you can get past this is to

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<v Speaker 4>If you exalt yourself as king and if you make

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<v Speaker 4>a fake Time magazine cover hailing yourself as king, do

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<v Speaker 4>believe you? And Alice is kicking it in Wonderland. That's

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<v Speaker 3>It's never going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let's then move forward with that assumption that

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<v Speaker 2>politics is going to remain in sports. But if it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to remain in sports, let's be clear that there

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<v Speaker 2>are two entities put the politics in the sports. We

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing to say about politics, and at the same

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<v Speaker 5>I just want it one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>So I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 4>However, this is always going to be the hill that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to die on. Politics affect people. Athletes are people.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be impossible to truly Now you can

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<v Speaker 4>is going on. You cannot publicly on social media or

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<v Speaker 4>anything like that support anything political, whether that's policies that

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<v Speaker 4>are being passed or politicians. You could do something like that,

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<v Speaker 4>but then you should also take the national anthem out

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<v Speaker 4>of every single game, which they probably should do anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>the reason why the national anthem was inserted into sporting

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<v Speaker 4>recruitment efforts and they wanted to use the NFL, which

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just tell you there was a big scandal

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<v Speaker 2>the national anthem probably featured at every single game, especially

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's capital it's not patriotism, it's capitalism.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's get it right.

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<v Speaker 4>So while you're saying, oh, that's not patriarchy, then you

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<v Speaker 4>need to really call your congressman and say, hey, we

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<v Speaker 4>cannot say that athletes should keep politics out of sports

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<v Speaker 4>when you are demanding and will name call and just

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<v Speaker 2>It's later with Mo Kelly. She's Jackie Ray, Jackie Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>How can they contact you?

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like some of y'all got something to say

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<v Speaker 4>to me, and trust me, Yeah, the only reason I'm

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<v Speaker 4>YouTube right now is because we're talking. But trust me,

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<v Speaker 4>when I leave this room, I'm gonna have this moment

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they're ready because if you're not ready, it's

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<v Speaker 5>I've seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of y'all need it, so it's good.

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