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Speaker 5: It's Later with mo Kelly.
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Speaker 2: joining us now in the studio. We've missed her. She's
Speaker 2: been gone away handling some family business. Jackie Ray, is
Speaker 2: good to see you. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: It's good to be back. It's good to see you too.
Speaker 2: A lot has happened since you were gone. Yes, let's
Speaker 2: bring up Jackuarray on the camera. Let's get into Shannon
Speaker 2: Sharp if we must. When and I are both Shannon
Speaker 2: Sharp fans of what he does. Yes, but there has
Speaker 2: been something missing in my commentary about Shannon Sharp specifically.
Speaker 2: I don't want to reduce you to this, but I
Speaker 2: think it's essential to have this a female perspective on
Speaker 2: Shannon Sharp, what he may have alleged, what has been
Speaker 2: alleged that he has done, and how we should look
Speaker 2: upon it.
Speaker 4: Well, Like you said, I am a Shannon Sharp fan. However,
Speaker 4: I'm not a fan of men who act like Shannon Sharp,
Speaker 4: if that makes more sense. I'm more a fan of
Speaker 4: people who have a level of accountability, not I don't
Speaker 4: want to call it toxic masculinity, as much as I
Speaker 4: want to call it. There's a reason why men in
Speaker 4: Shannon Sharp's age group go after women that are nineteen.
Speaker 5: Speak on it. Let's don't run past that sunk.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I think men who are in their fifties,
Speaker 4: mid fifties, sixties, whatever, they go after young women who
Speaker 4: are in their nineteen because they can legally do that.
Speaker 4: So if they could legally get away with going younger,
Speaker 4: they would go younger, which makes you a pedophile.
Speaker 3: Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 4: And so for me, when you say stuff like you
Speaker 4: don't like and then Shannon Sharp is on record saying this,
Speaker 4: when you say stuff like, oh, these older women they
Speaker 4: like to boast their independence where younger women don't. Well,
Speaker 4: it's hard to boast independence when you live at home
Speaker 4: with your parents. It's hard to boast independence when you're
Speaker 4: still in college. What you're saying is is you want
Speaker 4: somebody that you can manipulate financial and probably mentally, because
Speaker 4: you can. And when we heard the recording of him
Speaker 4: saying to her, she she doesn't want to go she
Speaker 4: wants to go out because she doesn't want to get
Speaker 4: choked out, and he says, well, who says I won't
Speaker 4: choke you out in public? There's a reason why you
Speaker 4: are dating a specific type of woman.
Speaker 5: She would.
Speaker 2: You're saying that he wouldn't be able to say that
Speaker 2: to a forty five year old woman.
Speaker 4: He could, but it would probably come with some consequences.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because if you don't choke
Speaker 4: me out in public, we might be tussling.
Speaker 5: So you know you are going to hit him as
Speaker 5: hard as you can.
Speaker 4: Yes, So it's a different level of And you know
Speaker 4: a lot of men say this that when women, you know,
Speaker 4: boast their independence, it's saying they don't need a man.
Speaker 3: I don't need a man who wants to choke me
Speaker 3: out in public. There's a difference.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: And so I think Shannon Sharp has kind of centered
Speaker 4: himself in this in this place where he feels like
Speaker 4: he has to be the one who dominates the situation
Speaker 4: in every aspect financially, physically, and the best way to
Speaker 4: do that is with somebody. Because what kind of bills
Speaker 4: could you have at nineteen so that he can't handle exactly, So,
Speaker 4: when you're saying, oh, I can take care of this person, okay,
Speaker 4: When you get a woman who's in her thirties and
Speaker 4: you're talking about you can take care of her, that's
Speaker 4: a bigger financial responsibility. So just say that you don't
Speaker 4: want to have to be financially obligated to a woman
Speaker 4: who is grown up and can take care of herself.
Speaker 6: Now, if you would say that, I would respect him
Speaker 6: for it. Here's the next question. I believe that his
Speaker 6: career and brand are circling the dream. I've listened very
Speaker 6: closely to what Stephen A.
Speaker 2: Smith, someone who brought him to ESPN, has been saying,
Speaker 2: and he's been, in my estimation, creating daylight between him
Speaker 2: and Shannon Sharp to not get any of the Shannon
Speaker 2: Sharp stink on him. Where do you think this leads
Speaker 2: regardless of the lawsuits?
Speaker 4: I mean, so Shannon kind of boasted when he had
Speaker 4: I forget who it was on his show? Was it
Speaker 4: Kat Williams that made him more money than he said
Speaker 4: he had ever made before. So we've really kind of
Speaker 4: dived into this Uncle Shay Shay so he has a
Speaker 4: platform beyond e ESPN.
Speaker 5: So and also Nightcap with.
Speaker 4: And that one's always fun because neither one of them
Speaker 4: have a lick of sense on that show, so it's
Speaker 4: fun to watch.
Speaker 3: It's very lighthearted.
Speaker 4: So I don't think you can really cancel him per se,
Speaker 4: because I do think we've seen this with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 4: There is a group a demographic of people who will say,
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson Cleveland Browns who had a same attorney. By
Speaker 4: the way, Tony Buzzby kind of brought those women about
Speaker 4: to say that, you know, Deshaun Watson had sexually harassed them.
Speaker 4: So there is going to be a demographic of people
Speaker 4: that say, well, this is consensual, full stop, and there's
Speaker 4: nothing to talk about. This woman is just trying to
Speaker 4: get a financial payout. So I don't think that this
Speaker 4: is going to ruin his career. It might ruin his
Speaker 4: time with ESPN, but I don't think it ruins his career.
Speaker 2: Does this make him unhirable by a network like the
Speaker 2: NFL network or some other legitimate broadcasting or cable YEP outlet.
Speaker 4: That's a good question because every outlet is suffering in
Speaker 4: some way. Every outlet is losing viewership in some way.
Speaker 4: So then it becomes a question of do we get
Speaker 4: an influx of viewers because we've presented this shock value.
Speaker 4: So I think you just really have to kind of
Speaker 4: read the room. If he beats the case, if he
Speaker 4: doesn't settle, if he goes to court, that kind of thing,
Speaker 4: would public perception change. I still think he has a shot.
Speaker 4: Now it has changed my perception of him. But then
Speaker 4: now we're having the debate with the R Kelly like,
Speaker 4: can you still listen to his music but hate what
Speaker 4: he did as a person, And so now you'll have
Speaker 4: that debate. Can we still appreciate him to be a
Speaker 4: great commentary he brings a lot of humor, or do
Speaker 4: we just resign him to this moment in time? And
Speaker 4: I don't think we would would ever do that with Shannon.
Speaker 2: We when I say we, the media has speculated on
Speaker 2: other people, be it Ditty or Kelly, for any number
Speaker 2: of reasons. I am going to intentionally speculate in the
Speaker 2: sense of broaching a possibility which I've not heard elsewhere. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I think it's fair to bring it up for
Speaker 2: those who don't know. Shannon Sharp is an NFL Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer. He is, he played a number of years
Speaker 2: in the NFL. I'm from Denver, so we've big fans. Okay,
Speaker 2: has there been any discussion to your knowledge of whether
Speaker 2: there also might be a variable of CTE in this,
Speaker 2: and I mentioned that if only because CTE has been
Speaker 2: known to create violent impulses and a switch in a
Speaker 2: person's personality where they can be cool one moment and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they can be almost murderous violent.
Speaker 4: Listen if there isn't, there's been no discussions of that
Speaker 4: to my knowledge, but if I was his attorney, I
Speaker 4: definitely would explore that, especially since you can't properly diagno
Speaker 4: cte until death.
Speaker 3: So we do know that.
Speaker 4: You know, in the case of Junior, say how it
Speaker 4: resulted in him taking his own site.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 4: So it does manifest itself in different ways. We've seen
Speaker 4: people act violently, We've seen people go into great depressions.
Speaker 4: There's no way to really know how someone's going to
Speaker 4: react to that, And so if I was his attorney,
Speaker 4: I would lean into that, and I would lean in
Speaker 4: and say, you know what, he realizes now his behavior
Speaker 4: was wrong. He's going to get the help that he
Speaker 4: needs because that's what people really want. They want accountability,
Speaker 4: So that's what I would lean into.
Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to say you want accountability, we're
Speaker 2: up until this point you've been like, no, not only
Speaker 2: he's has he denied everything, He's going to the offensive
Speaker 2: to bash the character of the accuser releasing the text messages.
Speaker 2: You know, it seems like I don't know if you
Speaker 2: can put that toothpaste back in the tooth.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 4: Now, I go both ways on that, because when you
Speaker 4: when you've been accused of something, if you believe you're right. Now,
Speaker 4: whether I believe he's right is irrelevant. But if he
Speaker 4: believes he's right, he definitely should have released the text
Speaker 4: messages because in his mind he feels that that's going
Speaker 4: to prove his innocence.
Speaker 3: To me, it made him look far more guilty.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me jump in there. But in releasing those
Speaker 2: text messages, which were very inflammatory, inflammatory, he also released
Speaker 2: the name of the Jane Doe, which of who I'm
Speaker 2: not repeating here.
Speaker 5: Has he set himself up?
Speaker 2: I know we're not legal scholars, but I wonder I
Speaker 2: would wonder whether he set himself up for a slam
Speaker 2: dunk defamation case.
Speaker 4: Well, the best defense against defamation is the truth, and
Speaker 4: so from everything we've seen, it was consensual. So we
Speaker 4: would have to astart as he's as far as what
Speaker 4: he's saying. But even she has said, I've I read
Speaker 4: a report the other day that said, yes, the relationship
Speaker 4: was consensual. It's not that she's disputing that, she's disputing
Speaker 4: the level of violence that happened to her.
Speaker 2: And also she's disputing, yes, the relationship was consensual, just
Speaker 2: not every act within the relationship was consensual.
Speaker 4: Right, So it's that old saying she said yes one
Speaker 4: hundred times. If she said no one time and you
Speaker 4: acted on that anyway, then that's a problem. But then
Speaker 4: it's always going to come down to where's the proof
Speaker 4: in that. Did she go to the police immediately? Who
Speaker 4: did she talk to about this? And that's when it
Speaker 4: becomes he said, she said, And then it just becomes
Speaker 4: impossible to approve.
Speaker 2: Until until other receipts may pop up because from what
Speaker 2: we understand, they recorded a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, we we saw his Instagram live, so we know
Speaker 4: he has no problems.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the camera being OneD and his concept.
Speaker 4: Of of consent might be different than hers.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then why isn't there a discussion about that?
Speaker 5: Oh it's coming.
Speaker 4: No, I mean this and this is for the young
Speaker 4: men out there. There should always be a constant conversation
Speaker 4: about consent. Consent isn't a one time conversation. It is
Speaker 4: an ongoing conversation.
Speaker 5: Throughout the act, throughout the relationship.
Speaker 2: Because just because she in this case says yes to
Speaker 2: the act in a general sense, does I mean that
Speaker 2: she approves everything that he wants to do during that act?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And don't don't try to flip me up. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Don't try to switch me up. I don't try to
Speaker 4: do any of that because if i've you don't know.
Speaker 4: And that's but that's also what builds true intimacy is
Speaker 4: being honest and open about your feelings the entire time.
Speaker 4: And so for me, it very much gives that that
Speaker 4: was not his intention in this relationship. His intention in
Speaker 4: this relationship wasn't to build a true, honest and intimate relationship.
Speaker 3: It was to be what.
Speaker 5: It was He's about to power and dominant.
Speaker 3: Because he saw her in a specific light.
Speaker 4: And so that's that's the box he put her in,
Speaker 4: and that's where he expected her to stay.
Speaker 3: But she isn't, and that's not what he was expecting.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we have to talk about Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 2: the Superstar in Super Bowl MVP, quarterback of the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. They visited the White House today.
Speaker 2: We had talked about this months in advance. We knew
Speaker 2: this just because the organization said we enthusiastically da da
Speaker 2: d dada.
Speaker 5: But coming to the White House doesn't mean that everyone
Speaker 5: was on board.
Speaker 2: Sheila Hurt said he had a scheduling conflict or something
Speaker 2: like that. Yep, let's talk about that and the implicit
Speaker 2: politics of any White House visit once again when we
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 5: It's Later with mo Kelly.
Speaker 2: Jacki Ray joins me on YouTube and also the iHeartRadio app.
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Speaker 2: and if you're in the chat with us on YouTube,
Speaker 2: let's be clear. We can disagree, disagree, but we will
Speaker 2: not be disrespectful to one another or even a guest
Speaker 2: on this show, So let's keep it on topic. I
Speaker 2: love the spirited nature of the chat, but sometimes some
Speaker 2: people go too far. Jackie Ray, you've been joining us
Speaker 2: as customary with Beyond the box Score. We had talked
Speaker 2: about this subject in a general sense, about sports and
Speaker 2: politics and the politics of visiting the White House. I
Speaker 2: was of the opinion we need to dead that tradition
Speaker 2: because we are not in a place where it can
Speaker 2: be viewed through the lens of sports.
Speaker 5: Celebration.
Speaker 2: We had Philadelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley go golfing,
Speaker 2: I think, with President Trump and fly back with him
Speaker 2: on Air Force One.
Speaker 5: He received a lot of criticism for that.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, the Super Bowl quarterback in MVP, did not
Speaker 2: attend the White House celebration today. He was asked incessantly
Speaker 2: in the weeks leading up to this are you going
Speaker 2: to go? He didn't answer, and then he didn't show up.
Speaker 2: The public reason he gave was a scheduling conflict or
Speaker 2: something something something.
Speaker 5: Why are we still doing this?
Speaker 4: There's no logical reason why you still have teams come
Speaker 4: to the White House. And I think it's funny that
Speaker 4: there is a specific demographic of people who will be
Speaker 4: up in arms that Jalen didn't go. But I would
Speaker 4: bet my last dollar that those are the same people
Speaker 4: that would say we need to keep politics out out
Speaker 4: of sports. And so you're speaking with a double mind,
Speaker 4: and you're a hypocrite flat out. And so if we're
Speaker 4: going to keep politics out of sports, then guess what
Speaker 4: you don't do. You don't go to the biggest political
Speaker 4: office in the country, and because there is whether you
Speaker 4: support that person or not, there is an image that
Speaker 4: you do. And so, regardless of what people say, Jalen
Speaker 4: did the right thing because the politics that are coming
Speaker 4: from the White House are not in favor of or
Speaker 4: in support of anyone who looks like Jalen and so
Speaker 4: I think he did the right thing.
Speaker 2: What if Jalen Hurts were to say, look, I'm an
Speaker 2: American too, there are some issues that I have with
Speaker 2: this president, either personally or politically or his policy. How
Speaker 2: do you think people would respond to him if he
Speaker 2: just said, look, I don't want to get into the specifics,
Speaker 2: but we have a level of disagreement and I don't
Speaker 2: want to send them message.
Speaker 4: Then I think the hypocrites would come out in droves
Speaker 4: and they would call him anti American, and they would
Speaker 4: call him the place.
Speaker 5: I've already seen the message.
Speaker 3: So we know.
Speaker 4: So there was no win in this. There's no win
Speaker 4: in saying, hey, I'm not against my colleagues who want
Speaker 4: to go, but I'm not going because this man does
Speaker 4: not aligned with my viewpoint. Then you're going to be
Speaker 4: anti American and every other term they can think of.
Speaker 4: There's no win in not supporting someone who the majority
Speaker 4: of people who have leaned into for reasons that are
Speaker 4: to me not logical. So when you have a group
Speaker 4: of people that are operating without logic, then you can't
Speaker 4: expect a logical response to a man who said, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to win if I say something, so I'm
Speaker 4: just not going to say anything.
Speaker 2: But here's the other side. I've said it before and
Speaker 2: I need to reiterate it. If we say take the
Speaker 2: politics out of sports, what is it? What is there
Speaker 2: then to say when the president inserts himself into sports,
Speaker 2: commenting on things that are going on in sports, and
Speaker 2: that's separate and distinct from let's say, going to a
Speaker 2: UFC bout going to NASCAR or showing up at the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. President Trump specifically has had things to say
Speaker 2: about people in sports, issues in sports, and all also
Speaker 2: had something to say about well halftime, right, super Well halftime?
Speaker 5: You know I don't.
Speaker 2: The only way you can get past this is to
Speaker 2: just dead the tradition all together, and I think it
Speaker 2: would be better for all involved, including President Trump, because
Speaker 2: then we don't I get turned.
Speaker 4: If you exalt yourself as king and if you make
Speaker 4: a fake Time magazine cover hailing yourself as king, do
Speaker 4: you walk in logic or do you walk and make
Speaker 4: believe you? And Alice is kicking it in Wonderland. That's
Speaker 4: what we're dealing with right now. So to have a
Speaker 4: level of expectation for him to operate with the same
Speaker 4: standards that he is intentionally holding other people to is
Speaker 4: never going to happen because it's not required of him
Speaker 4: by his constituents and that's not how he sees himself.
Speaker 3: It's never going to happen.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's then move forward with that assumption that
Speaker 2: politics is going to remain in sports. But if it's
Speaker 2: going to remain in sports, let's be clear that there
Speaker 2: are two entities put the politics in the sports. We
Speaker 2: just can't blame the athletes. We can't just say, hey,
Speaker 2: we got to keep politics out of sports. Athletes should
Speaker 2: have nothing to say about politics, and at the same
Speaker 2: time disregard the president who was also making political statements
Speaker 2: about sports.
Speaker 5: I just want it one way or the other.
Speaker 3: So I agree with that.
Speaker 4: However, this is always going to be the hill that
Speaker 4: I'm going to die on. Politics affect people. Athletes are people.
Speaker 4: It's going to be impossible to truly Now you can
Speaker 4: have an atmosphere where you can set rules and say, hey,
Speaker 4: we're not going to talk about politics while the season
Speaker 4: is going on. You cannot publicly on social media or
Speaker 4: anything like that support anything political, whether that's policies that
Speaker 4: are being passed or politicians. You could do something like that,
Speaker 4: but then you should also take the national anthem out
Speaker 4: of every single game, which they probably should do anyway,
Speaker 4: because for those of you who don't read and don't know,
Speaker 4: the reason why the national anthem was inserted into sporting
Speaker 4: events and the NFL specifically, was because there were low
Speaker 4: recruitment efforts and they wanted to use the NFL, which
Speaker 4: they felt was the biggest stage to boost recruitment into
Speaker 4: military institutions. It had nothing to do with patriarchy. It
Speaker 4: had everything to do within listening.
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you there was a big scandal
Speaker 2: controversy what they call paid patriotism, where the federal government
Speaker 2: was paying the NFL yes to have the flag of
Speaker 2: the national anthem probably featured at every single game, especially
Speaker 2: since nine to eleven to boost recruitment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's capital it's not patriotism, it's capitalism.
Speaker 3: So let's get it right.
Speaker 4: So while you're saying, oh, that's not patriarchy, then you
Speaker 4: need to really call your congressman and say, hey, we
Speaker 4: need to take this out of sports entirely, because you
Speaker 4: cannot say that athletes should keep politics out of sports
Speaker 4: when you are demanding and will name call and just
Speaker 4: act a complete full when they don't go to the
Speaker 4: White House, you're a hypocrite.
Speaker 2: It's later with Mo Kelly. She's Jackie Ray, Jackie Ray.
Speaker 2: How can they contact you?
Speaker 4: I feel like some of y'all got something to say
Speaker 4: to me, and trust me, Yeah, the only reason I'm
Speaker 4: not saying it back in social media right now, on
Speaker 4: YouTube right now is because we're talking. But trust me,
Speaker 4: when I leave this room, I'm gonna have this moment
Speaker 4: because my clapback game is strong. But if you want
Speaker 4: to get at me, my at is Jackie Ray, j
Speaker 4: A C K I E R A E t V.
Speaker 2: I hope they're ready because if you're not ready, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be pain for you.
Speaker 5: I've seen it.
Speaker 3: Some of y'all need it, so it's good.
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