Speaker 1: Section fourteen of the Roswell Report Case Closed by James McAndrew.
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Speaker 1: Report Case, Closed by James McAndrew. Appendix C, Part three Interviews.
Speaker 1: Transcript of interview with Alice Knight, alleged second hand witness
Speaker 1: to crash site one hundred and seventy five miles northwest
Speaker 1: of Roswell. Footnote excerpted from raw footage used to prepare
Speaker 1: the video Recollections of Roswell Part two, Washington, DC, Fun
Speaker 1: for UFO Research, nineteen ninety three. End of footnote Night.
Speaker 1: I remember that he saw one time I went to visit,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember whether it was before my husband
Speaker 1: and I married or after. I don't recall the date,
Speaker 1: but he said that he saw a UFO fall. He
Speaker 1: was out working in the field, and I understand that
Speaker 1: he was out on the Saint Augustine Plains and he
Speaker 1: went over that way and it fell, and he got
Speaker 1: nearly to the site, and there was a group of
Speaker 1: people on a geological archaeological hunt. And they were over there.
Speaker 1: I don't remember how many people, he said, but they
Speaker 1: got nearly up to the UFO, but it was close
Speaker 1: enough that you could see some creatures, he said. They
Speaker 1: didn't look like human beings out there. And along came
Speaker 1: government cars and trucks. Question, now, by government, you mean night.
Speaker 1: I guess it was government, you know, As I said,
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. And someone came along
Speaker 1: and I understood it. I don't know whether it was
Speaker 1: army or what. I think he just termed it government trucks.
Speaker 1: And they told him to go on back and forget
Speaker 1: they ever saw anything. And that's all I recall and
Speaker 1: transcriptive interview with Verne Maltese, alleged secondhand witness to crash
Speaker 1: site one hundred seventy five miles northwest of Roswell. Footnote
Speaker 1: excerpted from raw footage used to prepare the video Recollections
Speaker 1: of Roswell, Part two, Washington, d c. Fun for UFO Research,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Maltes he the eyewitness had been coming
Speaker 1: back from one of his field trips. He'd run on
Speaker 1: too a flying saucer that had burst open, and there
Speaker 1: were four beans on the ground, and that he was
Speaker 1: surveying the site archaeological group from the University of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: telling us that there were about four or five people
Speaker 1: with this group. As they were just starting to look
Speaker 1: things over really closely, the military moved in and gave
Speaker 1: them a briefing not to say anything about it and
Speaker 1: keep quiet, and it was in the national interest to
Speaker 1: get out of there. Question what was his feeling about
Speaker 1: what it was that he had experienced, Maltese. He had
Speaker 1: no qualms about what it was. He said it was
Speaker 1: a vehicle from outer space. There wasn't any question. The
Speaker 1: beans on there were nothing like, not exactly like human beings.
Speaker 1: Question how did you Maltase, similar but not exactly Question
Speaker 1: how did he describe them? Maltase. He described them being
Speaker 1: about three and a half to four feet tall, very
Speaker 1: slim and stature and with their heads were hairless, with
Speaker 1: no eyebrows, no eyelashes, no hair, sort of a pear
Speaker 1: shaped head with the top of the head being smaller, larger,
Speaker 1: I mean, question any other characteristics about their appearance, Maltase.
Speaker 1: Only one thing that he mentioned. The hands were not covered.
Speaker 1: They had four fingers and transcriptive interview with James Ragsdale
Speaker 1: alleged first hand witness to crash site north of Roswell.
Speaker 1: Footnote James Ragsdale interview with Donald R. Schmidt, January twenty sixth,
Speaker 1: nine ninety three. Ragsdale James eyewitness Transcript, twenty sixth January
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Question So you were actually out there, Ragsdale? Yeah. Question.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the name of the ranch? It was
Speaker 1: on Ragsdale? It was on Fisher. Question was it north
Speaker 1: of here? Ragsdale? Yes, back out here? Question northwest? Just
Speaker 1: take your time, Ragsdale. It was Foster, some discussion with
Speaker 1: his wife about who owned the ranch. Let me see
Speaker 1: what you've got. Referring to the photographs. That's the place
Speaker 1: right there, identifying the location from the pictures. Question what area, Ragsdale.
Speaker 1: It seemed to me that that place belonged to Fisher,
Speaker 1: but it sold to somebody else. Somebody else bought that.
Speaker 1: That's how come I was out in that area and
Speaker 1: we was out there, and she's dead and all the
Speaker 1: guys I showed the stuff are all dead. It's amazing
Speaker 1: what all went on. Discuss our book in the museum.
Speaker 1: Question showing one of the pictures, So you think this
Speaker 1: looks like Ragsdale. That looks like the place. Question, as
Speaker 1: far as the ranches go, driving around at that time,
Speaker 1: it could have been most any ranch, right, this would
Speaker 1: have been in forty seven. You were with this woman Ragsdale. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were camped out out there. Question you were camping Ragsdale. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say half of it. I would say that
Speaker 1: only about half of it, just half of a You
Speaker 1: really couldn't tell what it was. What you could still
Speaker 1: see where it hit. I think it was two spaceships
Speaker 1: flying together and one of them came down and the
Speaker 1: other one picked up what they could and got out
Speaker 1: of there. Question. Is it possible that because it was
Speaker 1: hit by lightning that it broke up and part of
Speaker 1: it went down? Discussion of the mac Brazle sighting Ragsdale.
Speaker 1: But it was either dummies or bodies or something laying there.
Speaker 1: They looked like bodies. They weren't very long, over four
Speaker 1: or five foot long at the most. We didn't see
Speaker 1: their faces or nothing like that. But we had just
Speaker 1: got to the site and heard the army the sirens
Speaker 1: all coming, and we got into a damned jeep to
Speaker 1: take off. We had to hold a fence up to
Speaker 1: go on to another ranch to come out from there.
Speaker 1: Question how far would you say this from town here?
Speaker 1: Ragsdale thirty miles forty miles. Question in a northwesterly direction
Speaker 1: Ragsdale right up here. Discussed the pictures again. Question were
Speaker 1: there any buildings? Ragsdale. No, you couldn't see nothing. You
Speaker 1: go up on top of the hill. It was a hill.
Speaker 1: Referring to the picture. You could see the stuff right here.
Speaker 1: Question the object the craft? What was left on it?
Speaker 1: And these photos? Where was the object? Ragsdale? Along this
Speaker 1: right here? It looked to be about half of around
Speaker 1: because around the edges. I had two great big pieces
Speaker 1: that's what they got when they stole the car. You
Speaker 1: could take that stuff and wadd it up and it
Speaker 1: would straighten itself out. I never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1: Looked like something between a plastic, looked like carbon paper.
Speaker 1: Question that was the color of it. Ragsdale, Yeah, carbons,
Speaker 1: that was the color of it. Sure was between plastic
Speaker 1: and hell. I don't know. Let's see how to describe
Speaker 1: one piece we had. You could take it and put
Speaker 1: it in any form you wanted and it would stay there.
Speaker 1: You could bend it in any form and it would stay,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't straighten back out. Question you pick those up
Speaker 1: from the ground Ragsdale Yeah. Question, you threw them in
Speaker 1: the jeep, stuffed them in your clothes Ragsdale. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then we heard all of them coming. Question how many vehicles?
Speaker 1: How much commotion did you hear as they came in? Ragsdale,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it must have been. It was two
Speaker 1: or three six by six army trucks, a wrecker and everything,
Speaker 1: and leading the pack was a forty seven Ford car
Speaker 1: with guys in it, MPs and stuff in it. We
Speaker 1: had the windshield down on the jeep and we stayed
Speaker 1: in the weeds and stuff, and we came on back
Speaker 1: down to where we was camped at. Question so you
Speaker 1: watched for a while Ragsdale, Yeah, sure did. Question what
Speaker 1: was their Ragsdale? They cleaned everything all up, I mean
Speaker 1: cleaned it. They raked the ground and everything. I mean
Speaker 1: they cleaned everything. Question you didn't stay there that long Ragsdale, No,
Speaker 1: But they had a truck I would say it was
Speaker 1: six or eight big trucks besides the pickup weapons carriers
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Question what kind of guard did
Speaker 1: they have? Did they surround certain Areasdale. They had MPs
Speaker 1: all they got way out in the field. They had
Speaker 1: people all along this ridge. They drove up in here.
Speaker 1: We was back over here this grass here. Question, So
Speaker 1: if you were back here, could you see the activity
Speaker 1: down here? Ragsdale? You couldn't see too much of what
Speaker 1: they You could tell as soon as they got there,
Speaker 1: they began gathering this stuff up. We were hidden in
Speaker 1: what you call buffalo grass. Question. Did you see any
Speaker 1: behavior around the bodies? Ragsdale? Uh? Uh. Question you couldn't
Speaker 1: see down to that level, Ragsdale. Yeah. Question did you
Speaker 1: see any activity near the craft? Ragsdale? No. Question. The
Speaker 1: angle of the craft was it flat? Was it tipped? Ragsdale?
Speaker 1: One part was kind of buried in the ground and
Speaker 1: part of it was sticking out of the ground about
Speaker 1: like that question about a thirty degree angle? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure that bodies either bodies or dummies. Question. Why
Speaker 1: do you say dummies? Ragsdale. The federal government could have
Speaker 1: been doing something because they didn't want anyone to know
Speaker 1: what this was. They was using dummies in those damn things.
Speaker 1: They could use remote control. Question, so you thought that
Speaker 1: it could have been an experimental craft Ragsdale. After I
Speaker 1: came to town, showed Frank Willis and his son, he's
Speaker 1: dead the Blue Moon Beer Joint over on the old
Speaker 1: Dexter Highway. We was there until two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I had the jeep behind my car. Question did you
Speaker 1: still have the scrap in the jeep? Ragsdale? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: showed it to him. He said I would just keep
Speaker 1: my mouth shut. He said, Hell, there is no telling
Speaker 1: where that came from. Question, So you didn't think it
Speaker 1: was from outer space? Ragsdale. No, we didn't even think
Speaker 1: about outer space back then. Question. When was the first
Speaker 1: time that you thought that maybe this was something more? Ragsdale?
Speaker 1: It was about three weeks It came out that a
Speaker 1: spaceship had crashed at Roswell about three weeks, but it
Speaker 1: could have been out longer than that there. But see
Speaker 1: I worked in Carlsbad. Question But you first saw there
Speaker 1: had been a newspaper article about three weeks after Ragsdale. Oh. Hell,
Speaker 1: it was two or three weeks before I caught up
Speaker 1: on it a spaceship. But I hear as they guarded
Speaker 1: that place for a long time out there, because me
Speaker 1: and another fellow went out there and you couldn't get
Speaker 1: They had the road sealed off. It was a month
Speaker 1: or so after question, and they still had it cordoned
Speaker 1: off Ragsdale. The MPs and stuff were still on the road.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let nobody go out there. Question if a
Speaker 1: person were to drive out there today going north out
Speaker 1: of town. Are we talking two eighty five Ragsdale? No
Speaker 1: Highway forty eight? You go out forty eight, You go
Speaker 1: out here to the truck route hit forty eight and
Speaker 1: it's about forty some miles out in there. And no
Speaker 1: talks about the car being stolen In nineteen fifty one,
Speaker 1: when the car with the debris was stolen, I would
Speaker 1: say eighteen inches and thirty inches long strips off the
Speaker 1: edge of it. It was a heavy material, but it
Speaker 1: didn't have no ridges. It was put together with some
Speaker 1: kind of solder like stuff. No bumps, no nothing in it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't It was about as heavy as dure aluminum.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as brittle. You could take a small piece
Speaker 1: and it was flexible. Then discussed the stealing of the
Speaker 1: car with the wrecker and the material was locked in
Speaker 1: the trunk of the car, And then discussed the break
Speaker 1: in of the house where the last of the pieces
Speaker 1: were stolen about eight years ago, nineteen eighty five. Question
Speaker 1: was there a storm that night? Ragsdale, Yeah, there sure was.
Speaker 1: It was a wail of a storm. Question did you
Speaker 1: hear anything unusual? Did you hear between the cracks of thunder? Ragsdale, Well,
Speaker 1: it lit up the sky when it came down. It
Speaker 1: lit up the damn. We thought at first that it
Speaker 1: was falling star or something and electric lightning. Man, it
Speaker 1: was something. Question you heard something and you saw something? Ragsdale, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure did. Because we were laying there in the back
Speaker 1: of the pickup, the whole sky lit up. We thought
Speaker 1: it was a star falling. Question did you then go
Speaker 1: to check it out? Ragsdale? Sure did. The next day,
Speaker 1: Sure did. We drove right up on it. She picked
Speaker 1: up a piece of it, and we had the jeep
Speaker 1: parked a little ways away from there, and throwed a
Speaker 1: piece of it up there somewhere. And I have tried
Speaker 1: and tried to find where she had throwed that piece.
Speaker 1: She had a piece, but when she saw the army coming,
Speaker 1: she throwed it out. She saw them a coming and
Speaker 1: she throwed it out. I doubt that I could even
Speaker 1: go back to the place it's been so long. Now
Speaker 1: begin to talk about the car wreck that nearly killed him.
Speaker 1: Remainder of the tape is discussion about the car wreck,
Speaker 1: the ranchers in the area, and the murder of Missus
Speaker 1: Ragsdale's brother. End of the Roswell Report. Case closed by
Speaker 1: James Mcanrew. Recording by Aaron Bennett SA