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<v Speaker 1>Section fourteen of the Roswell Report Case Closed by James McAndrew.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in

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<v Speaker 1>visit LibriVox dot org. Recording by Aaron Bennett, The Roswell

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<v Speaker 1>Report Case, Closed by James McAndrew. Appendix C, Part three Interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>Transcript of interview with Alice Knight, alleged second hand witness

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<v Speaker 1>to crash site one hundred and seventy five miles northwest

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<v Speaker 1>of Roswell. Footnote excerpted from raw footage used to prepare

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<v Speaker 1>the video Recollections of Roswell Part two, Washington, DC, Fun

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<v Speaker 1>for UFO Research, nineteen ninety three. End of footnote Night.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that he saw one time I went to visit,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't remember whether it was before my husband

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<v Speaker 1>and I married or after. I don't recall the date,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said that he saw a UFO fall. He

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<v Speaker 1>was out working in the field, and I understand that

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<v Speaker 1>he was out on the Saint Augustine Plains and he

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<v Speaker 1>went over that way and it fell, and he got

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<v Speaker 1>nearly to the site, and there was a group of

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<v Speaker 1>people on a geological archaeological hunt. And they were over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember how many people, he said, but they

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<v Speaker 1>got nearly up to the UFO, but it was close

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<v Speaker 1>enough that you could see some creatures, he said. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't look like human beings out there. And along came

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<v Speaker 1>government cars and trucks. Question, now, by government, you mean night.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was government, you know, As I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a long time ago. And someone came along

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<v Speaker 1>and I understood it. I don't know whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>army or what. I think he just termed it government trucks.

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<v Speaker 1>And they told him to go on back and forget

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<v Speaker 1>they ever saw anything. And that's all I recall and

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<v Speaker 1>transcriptive interview with Verne Maltese, alleged secondhand witness to crash

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<v Speaker 1>site one hundred seventy five miles northwest of Roswell. Footnote

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<v Speaker 1>excerpted from raw footage used to prepare the video Recollections

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<v Speaker 1>of Roswell, Part two, Washington, d c. Fun for UFO Research,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three. Maltes he the eyewitness had been coming

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<v Speaker 1>back from one of his field trips. He'd run on

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<v Speaker 1>too a flying saucer that had burst open, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were four beans on the ground, and that he was

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<v Speaker 1>surveying the site archaeological group from the University of Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>telling us that there were about four or five people

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<v Speaker 1>with this group. As they were just starting to look

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<v Speaker 1>things over really closely, the military moved in and gave

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<v Speaker 1>them a briefing not to say anything about it and

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<v Speaker 1>keep quiet, and it was in the national interest to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of there. Question what was his feeling about

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<v Speaker 1>what it was that he had experienced, Maltese. He had

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<v Speaker 1>no qualms about what it was. He said it was

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle from outer space. There wasn't any question. The

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<v Speaker 1>beans on there were nothing like, not exactly like human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>Question how did you Maltase, similar but not exactly Question

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<v Speaker 1>how did he describe them? Maltase. He described them being

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<v Speaker 1>about three and a half to four feet tall, very

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<v Speaker 1>slim and stature and with their heads were hairless, with

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<v Speaker 1>no eyebrows, no eyelashes, no hair, sort of a pear

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<v Speaker 1>shaped head with the top of the head being smaller, larger,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, question any other characteristics about their appearance, Maltase.

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<v Speaker 1>Only one thing that he mentioned. The hands were not covered.

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<v Speaker 1>They had four fingers and transcriptive interview with James Ragsdale

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<v Speaker 1>alleged first hand witness to crash site north of Roswell.

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<v Speaker 1>Footnote James Ragsdale interview with Donald R. Schmidt, January twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>nine ninety three. Ragsdale James eyewitness Transcript, twenty sixth January

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three. Question So you were actually out there, Ragsdale? Yeah. Question.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the name of the ranch? It was

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<v Speaker 1>on Ragsdale? It was on Fisher. Question was it north

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<v Speaker 1>of here? Ragsdale? Yes, back out here? Question northwest? Just

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<v Speaker 1>take your time, Ragsdale. It was Foster, some discussion with

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<v Speaker 1>his wife about who owned the ranch. Let me see

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<v Speaker 1>what you've got. Referring to the photographs. That's the place

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<v Speaker 1>right there, identifying the location from the pictures. Question what area, Ragsdale.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed to me that that place belonged to Fisher,

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<v Speaker 1>but it sold to somebody else. Somebody else bought that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how come I was out in that area and

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<v Speaker 1>we was out there, and she's dead and all the

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<v Speaker 1>guys I showed the stuff are all dead. It's amazing

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<v Speaker 1>what all went on. Discuss our book in the museum.

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<v Speaker 1>Question showing one of the pictures, So you think this

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<v Speaker 1>looks like Ragsdale. That looks like the place. Question, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the ranches go, driving around at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been most any ranch, right, this would

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<v Speaker 1>have been in forty seven. You were with this woman Ragsdale. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were camped out out there. Question you were camping Ragsdale. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say half of it. I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>only about half of it, just half of a You

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<v Speaker 1>really couldn't tell what it was. What you could still

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<v Speaker 1>see where it hit. I think it was two spaceships

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<v Speaker 1>flying together and one of them came down and the

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<v Speaker 1>other one picked up what they could and got out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. Question. Is it possible that because it was

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<v Speaker 1>hit by lightning that it broke up and part of

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<v Speaker 1>it went down? Discussion of the mac Brazle sighting Ragsdale.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was either dummies or bodies or something laying there.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked like bodies. They weren't very long, over four

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<v Speaker 1>or five foot long at the most. We didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>their faces or nothing like that. But we had just

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<v Speaker 1>got to the site and heard the army the sirens

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<v Speaker 1>all coming, and we got into a damned jeep to

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<v Speaker 1>take off. We had to hold a fence up to

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<v Speaker 1>go on to another ranch to come out from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Question how far would you say this from town here?

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<v Speaker 1>Ragsdale thirty miles forty miles. Question in a northwesterly direction

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<v Speaker 1>Ragsdale right up here. Discussed the pictures again. Question were

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<v Speaker 1>there any buildings? Ragsdale. No, you couldn't see nothing. You

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<v Speaker 1>go up on top of the hill. It was a hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Referring to the picture. You could see the stuff right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Question the object the craft? What was left on it?

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<v Speaker 1>And these photos? Where was the object? Ragsdale? Along this

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<v Speaker 1>right here? It looked to be about half of around

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<v Speaker 1>because around the edges. I had two great big pieces

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they got when they stole the car. You

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<v Speaker 1>could take that stuff and wadd it up and it

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<v Speaker 1>would straighten itself out. I never seen anything like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Looked like something between a plastic, looked like carbon paper.

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<v Speaker 1>Question that was the color of it. Ragsdale, Yeah, carbons,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the color of it. Sure was between plastic

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<v Speaker 1>and hell. I don't know. Let's see how to describe

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<v Speaker 1>one piece we had. You could take it and put

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<v Speaker 1>it in any form you wanted and it would stay there.

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<v Speaker 1>You could bend it in any form and it would stay,

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't straighten back out. Question you pick those up

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<v Speaker 1>from the ground Ragsdale Yeah. Question, you threw them in

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<v Speaker 1>the jeep, stuffed them in your clothes Ragsdale. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we heard all of them coming. Question how many vehicles?

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<v Speaker 1>How much commotion did you hear as they came in? Ragsdale,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it must have been. It was two

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<v Speaker 1>or three six by six army trucks, a wrecker and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and leading the pack was a forty seven Ford car

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<v Speaker 1>with guys in it, MPs and stuff in it. We

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<v Speaker 1>had the windshield down on the jeep and we stayed

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<v Speaker 1>in the weeds and stuff, and we came on back

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<v Speaker 1>down to where we was camped at. Question so you

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<v Speaker 1>watched for a while Ragsdale, Yeah, sure did. Question what

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<v Speaker 1>was their Ragsdale? They cleaned everything all up, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>cleaned it. They raked the ground and everything. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they cleaned everything. Question you didn't stay there that long Ragsdale, No,

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<v Speaker 1>But they had a truck I would say it was

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<v Speaker 1>six or eight big trucks besides the pickup weapons carriers

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. Question what kind of guard did

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<v Speaker 1>they have? Did they surround certain Areasdale. They had MPs

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<v Speaker 1>all they got way out in the field. They had

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<v Speaker 1>people all along this ridge. They drove up in here.

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<v Speaker 1>We was back over here this grass here. Question, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you were back here, could you see the activity

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<v Speaker 1>down here? Ragsdale? You couldn't see too much of what

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<v Speaker 1>they You could tell as soon as they got there,

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<v Speaker 1>they began gathering this stuff up. We were hidden in

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<v Speaker 1>what you call buffalo grass. Question. Did you see any

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<v Speaker 1>behavior around the bodies? Ragsdale? Uh? Uh. Question you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>see down to that level, Ragsdale. Yeah. Question did you

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<v Speaker 1>see any activity near the craft? Ragsdale? No. Question. The

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<v Speaker 1>angle of the craft was it flat? Was it tipped? Ragsdale?

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<v Speaker 1>One part was kind of buried in the ground and

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<v Speaker 1>part of it was sticking out of the ground about

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<v Speaker 1>like that question about a thirty degree angle? Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that bodies either bodies or dummies. Question. Why

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<v Speaker 1>do you say dummies? Ragsdale. The federal government could have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing something because they didn't want anyone to know

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<v Speaker 1>what this was. They was using dummies in those damn things.

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<v Speaker 1>They could use remote control. Question, so you thought that

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been an experimental craft Ragsdale. After I

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<v Speaker 1>came to town, showed Frank Willis and his son, he's

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<v Speaker 1>dead the Blue Moon Beer Joint over on the old

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<v Speaker 1>Dexter Highway. We was there until two o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the jeep behind my car. Question did you

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<v Speaker 1>still have the scrap in the jeep? Ragsdale? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>showed it to him. He said I would just keep

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<v Speaker 1>my mouth shut. He said, Hell, there is no telling

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<v Speaker 1>where that came from. Question, So you didn't think it

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<v Speaker 1>was from outer space? Ragsdale. No, we didn't even think

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<v Speaker 1>about outer space back then. Question. When was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that you thought that maybe this was something more? Ragsdale?

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<v Speaker 1>It was about three weeks It came out that a

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<v Speaker 1>spaceship had crashed at Roswell about three weeks, but it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been out longer than that there. But see

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<v Speaker 1>I worked in Carlsbad. Question But you first saw there

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<v Speaker 1>had been a newspaper article about three weeks after Ragsdale. Oh. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>it was two or three weeks before I caught up

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<v Speaker 1>on it a spaceship. But I hear as they guarded

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<v Speaker 1>that place for a long time out there, because me

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<v Speaker 1>and another fellow went out there and you couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>They had the road sealed off. It was a month

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<v Speaker 1>or so after question, and they still had it cordoned

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<v Speaker 1>off Ragsdale. The MPs and stuff were still on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't let nobody go out there. Question if a

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<v Speaker 1>person were to drive out there today going north out

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<v Speaker 1>of town. Are we talking two eighty five Ragsdale? No

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<v Speaker 1>Highway forty eight? You go out forty eight, You go

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<v Speaker 1>out here to the truck route hit forty eight and

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<v Speaker 1>it's about forty some miles out in there. And no

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<v Speaker 1>talks about the car being stolen In nineteen fifty one,

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<v Speaker 1>when the car with the debris was stolen, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say eighteen inches and thirty inches long strips off the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of it. It was a heavy material, but it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have no ridges. It was put together with some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of solder like stuff. No bumps, no nothing in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't It was about as heavy as dure aluminum.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't as brittle. You could take a small piece

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<v Speaker 1>and it was flexible. Then discussed the stealing of the

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<v Speaker 1>car with the wrecker and the material was locked in

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<v Speaker 1>the trunk of the car, And then discussed the break

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<v Speaker 1>in of the house where the last of the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>were stolen about eight years ago, nineteen eighty five. Question

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<v Speaker 1>was there a storm that night? Ragsdale, Yeah, there sure was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a wail of a storm. Question did you

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<v Speaker 1>hear anything unusual? Did you hear between the cracks of thunder? Ragsdale, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it lit up the sky when it came down. It

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<v Speaker 1>lit up the damn. We thought at first that it

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<v Speaker 1>was falling star or something and electric lightning. Man, it

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<v Speaker 1>was something. Question you heard something and you saw something? Ragsdale, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sure did. Because we were laying there in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the pickup, the whole sky lit up. We thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was a star falling. Question did you then go

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<v Speaker 1>to check it out? Ragsdale? Sure did. The next day,

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<v Speaker 1>Sure did. We drove right up on it. She picked

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<v Speaker 1>up a piece of it, and we had the jeep

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<v Speaker 1>parked a little ways away from there, and throwed a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of it up there somewhere. And I have tried

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<v Speaker 1>and tried to find where she had throwed that piece.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a piece, but when she saw the army coming,

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<v Speaker 1>she throwed it out. She saw them a coming and

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<v Speaker 1>she throwed it out. I doubt that I could even

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the place it's been so long. Now

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<v Speaker 1>begin to talk about the car wreck that nearly killed him.

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<v Speaker 1>Remainder of the tape is discussion about the car wreck,

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<v Speaker 1>the ranchers in the area, and the murder of Missus

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<v Speaker 1>Ragsdale's brother. End of the Roswell Report. Case closed by

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<v Speaker 1>James Mcanrew. Recording by Aaron Bennett SA