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<v Speaker 1>You listen to Commander Who Got Podcast Episode four seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Brando, I'm here thrown and we're gonna break down

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<v Speaker 1>some bracket barriers now in our theme s. Hey Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>We're back for yet another whirlwind adventure. How you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Good?

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<v Speaker 2>What is going down?

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<v Speaker 1>Whole bunch is going down. We have the new hotness

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<v Speaker 1>in the nation and all of magic as a hole

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about today. We've got some stories to tell,

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<v Speaker 1>some people to thanks, some fucking notes to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get to any of that, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>on the BBB, on the YTC. This is outrageous. Also, however,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to thank Pile of Bones Brewing Colder, the

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<v Speaker 1>Theson three coming so so soon you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited. I'm I'm so excited. Actually to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about brackets.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird it's such a nerd.

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<v Speaker 2>I yes, I love talking magic theory, you know that,

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<v Speaker 2>like when we can get granular and break something down

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<v Speaker 2>and go deeper than just like surface level or trivial.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to talk about sharks with Bazukas very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So eh, but we're talking about brackets today.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of sharks with Bazookas. We have brackets, Brackzukas. I

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<v Speaker 1>was actually gonna say that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>There it is. That's why we're friends. Okay, little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff before we get to it. Okay, we gotta

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<v Speaker 2>thank pile of bones like you did. We did business

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<v Speaker 2>we appreciate that. I have my Ether drift box that

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<v Speaker 2>I ordered from them, used the promo code on sealed

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<v Speaker 1>I got my Commander deck that I ordered from there

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<v Speaker 1>save five percent with special promo code, And when I

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<v Speaker 1>went to pick it up at the weird ups drop station,

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<v Speaker 1>it was at a one of those like local small

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<v Speaker 1>grocery stores, like in the middle of Sutherland, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like a town within Saskatoon, Right, And the guy at

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<v Speaker 1>the till when I told him what I wanted, he

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<v Speaker 1>went like this, oh no, and then he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're watching on YouTube, what you should be,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd see me that I wiped just a huge gob

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<v Speaker 1>of boog off of my face and he was like

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<v Speaker 1>smushing it around on his hand with his fingers while

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking to me. And then he tried on

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<v Speaker 1>three separate occasions to like touch my phone and my

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<v Speaker 1>driver's license, and then kind of looked like he had

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<v Speaker 1>his feelings hurt, and I told him I wouldn't let

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<v Speaker 1>him touch my stuff. Weird, but I did get all

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<v Speaker 1>my stuff arrived very quickly, very safely, packed professionally with

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<v Speaker 1>a nice little smiley face written or drawn on that night,

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<v Speaker 1>which was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks guys, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not very good. Final big thank you goes out

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<v Speaker 2>to Dragoon. Oh yeah in the booth today producing for

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<v Speaker 2>us from the Dufferin Avenue Media Network Network Network Network Studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we appreciate them having us in here, giving us

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<v Speaker 1>this small heater that will blow heat onto me to

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<v Speaker 1>keep you warm, and giving us a cool place to

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<v Speaker 1>record the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate how the cameras aim so you can't see

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<v Speaker 2>how I'm getting blown, which is not at all, which

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<v Speaker 2>is completely normal. That is my life, never never ever

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<v Speaker 2>getting blown by anything ever weird except for these brackets.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, your mind is blown by bracketology.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, we're staying on the bracket theme. But Cecil

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<v Speaker 2>Sidewalks on February twenty eighth coming up. Oh what's the

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<v Speaker 2>launch date? Tea Coat said he'd have it to me

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<v Speaker 2>before then, So I'm holding them to it and look

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<v Speaker 2>it out tightly in the camera zoomed on. Yeah, man, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's when that's coming. Can't wait. And we've got

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<v Speaker 2>another little crossover thing here coming up next week. While

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<v Speaker 2>this week that you're listening to this show, our friends

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<v Speaker 2>Tanner and other Brando what other better looking also long

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<v Speaker 2>haired Brando. What weirdest thing ever that you're both named?

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<v Speaker 2>That are? They sent us a popper edh gameplay show

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to feature on our community Spotlight channel

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. Oh yeah, super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we were going to spank them without pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Well if we ever played magic against them, we could

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<v Speaker 2>Rogue's Passage. That's where they're from. Their based at A Calgary.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to be at face to face Edmonton when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm there, Have you found a place to stay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I have two offers of places to stay. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just seeing which one will be like the easiest for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody involved. So I will probably also be there. The

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<v Speaker 1>odds of me being there are very high, unless some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of life circumstance keeps me from it. Yep. So

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<v Speaker 1>as of today, as we record this, on Valentine's Day,

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<v Speaker 1>at Valentine's Day, everybody should also be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Very cool, Okay, So that is March eighth to ninth.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be there Saturday Sunday. Probably I'll be working

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, but you'll be there jam and games, doing

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<v Speaker 2>CEO stuff. And on Sunday morning, like all the whole morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have some merch there, some hats and cooks and sleeves,

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<v Speaker 2>not sleeves, but we're gonna talk about that, just CEO stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So come and find us. It's gonna be a grand

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<v Speaker 2>old time. I love and the Rogues Passage guys are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be there. That's that's what got me on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They're fun, yeah, super cool. So check out the video

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<v Speaker 2>next week. And I mentioned sleeves CEO sleeves. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>one of the designs back from the artist. I eve me,

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<v Speaker 2>uh that I have to show you and get your

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<v Speaker 2>approval kind of on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Background of it. Is there a dinosaur?

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<v Speaker 2>There is no dinosaur surfboard on.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, no the moon? Nope? What are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. Lots of times I just I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just throw stuff at the wall and hope

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<v Speaker 2>that it's stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a frog?

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<v Speaker 2>No frog?

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<v Speaker 1>A gun?

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<v Speaker 2>No gun, a shark?

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<v Speaker 1>Also no a knife? No? Hey, listen, man, listen. I

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<v Speaker 1>realized I didn't guess everything, but I guess everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I like.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye is there a chicken?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>No chicken cheeseburger.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show you after we've got brackets to talk about it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So we've got an article from Gavin Dragon. You really

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to switch cameras that much. He can keep

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<v Speaker 2>it on two all the day.

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<v Speaker 1>He's working hard, and we appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>He is working hard. He's working hard, and we appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's here's the thing. We've got the article from Gavin.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to read it though, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to read it, but I am going to read

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Really like about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, it's a new tool for us to use.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tool for us to use.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't a rules framework yet, and it's still a

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<v Speaker 1>work in progress from everything that I've heard. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you hate it, now is the time to respectfully tell

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<v Speaker 1>people involved that you hate it. I have some suggestions

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<v Speaker 1>of things that I would like to see. Yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you do as well. You can leave them in

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<v Speaker 1>the comments or send them to people on the word

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<v Speaker 1>or social media, but this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the time, yes, or send them to us so

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<v Speaker 2>we can keep making content about it. I talk so

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<v Speaker 2>much about brackets and individual cards and kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>You call it a framework, and it's not a rules

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<v Speaker 2>system yet, but it is. It is if we choose

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<v Speaker 2>to use it like that, and it's not if we

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<v Speaker 2>choose to not use it like that. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I love about it, because you and me and the CEO,

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<v Speaker 2>Dude Bros. And so many people that I've ever played

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<v Speaker 2>games with in CECO Nation, we don't need this, no,

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I want to have it

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<v Speaker 2>in mind when building and choosing individual cards and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of theorizing how I build magic decks and things about magic,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't just.

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<v Speaker 1>Play with you, play with everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll play with anybody, and this gives me verbiage to

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<v Speaker 2>at least start a conversation in a way that other

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<v Speaker 2>people are also going to know the language of.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and for that reason, I think it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Every deck is a three. Every deck is a three.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh frick good thing. I ran out of stock on

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<v Speaker 2>the Every deck is a seven sticker at the CCO store.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have a whole new different context. Now, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what to seven? Bould be Power nine inclusive and you

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<v Speaker 1>can have more than one of any kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, A seven now is like thirty black lotuses

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<v Speaker 2>thirty channels and thirty fireballs. A level three is a bazooka.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a rail gun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an actual rail gun. Old gun. Oh man, Yes

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<v Speaker 1>he has two pairs of nun chunks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I love that. Now. Here's here's the quotes that

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<v Speaker 2>I actively have highlighted.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here's the quote.

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<v Speaker 2>But above all, the Commander bracket system is meant to

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<v Speaker 2>provide players with greater terminology. Hold on my slide, got

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<v Speaker 2>my terminology? Greater terminology?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Now matter words matter and now all we're doing is

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<v Speaker 2>speaking the same words. We're not saying, well, my ducks

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<v Speaker 2>are seven in the arbitrary bullshit one to ten power

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<v Speaker 2>scale the command zone made up fifteen years ago. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, we're My decks are three based on the arbitrary

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<v Speaker 1>bullshit number excess that this group of people came up

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<v Speaker 1>with six months ago. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing about that. This is the official stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>This is it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like saying, what are the rules of commander as

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<v Speaker 2>per Wizards of the Coast, And this is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>And the word lasagna is not being used to define

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<v Speaker 1>any of the numbers. There's a fairly clear with you.

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<v Speaker 1>With one exception, there's a very a clear distinction between

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<v Speaker 1>each thing. But there actually is a much clearer that

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue is the best distinction between tiers between

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<v Speaker 1>four and five. That we'll get you later on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, very much show and no shaded command zone. No,

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<v Speaker 2>no shaded commandzone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that means some.

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<v Speaker 2>Some shape, Yeah, like like five ounces.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to get a sunburn. Everybody needs absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh here's the other quote, and this is at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of a sentence I'm not taking it out of context,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's the end of the sentence that's important. If

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<v Speaker 2>somebody builds their deck to do that intentionally, it's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about chaining extra turns together. In this case, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>no no. There's actually a system, a rule set, a

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<v Speaker 2>philosophy behind what they don't want you to do it

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<v Speaker 2>certain portions, within certain portions.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I fricking love that because and it's happened. The last

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<v Speaker 2>time I played my Marvel deck. You didn't know it

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<v Speaker 2>was extra turns deck. I said it was a peer

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<v Speaker 2>into the Abyss deck. Wow, This turns out that peer

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<v Speaker 2>into the Abyss when you have like four extra turn

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<v Speaker 2>cards in your hand that you could play for free

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<v Speaker 2>with dream halls pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes people feel bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this, and I'm playing with people that feel

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<v Speaker 2>bad still because they're my friends and they know that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do this bullshit and then probably take the

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<v Speaker 2>deck apart. But if I didn't know that chaining extra

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<v Speaker 2>turns together is a thing in the game that makes

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<v Speaker 2>people sour and I just go out into the wild

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<v Speaker 2>and do it, then I'm the bad guy, or I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're the bad guy for telling me that I

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<v Speaker 2>built a deck that isn't fun. Now I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a no. No, I shouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's against the rules of.

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<v Speaker 1>The fucking game. Oh shit, I didn't know that there

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<v Speaker 1>was rules that govern that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the bracket system gives me a rules framework.

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<v Speaker 1>It governs that. And we're gonna get this out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way right now, because we talked about it, not

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<v Speaker 1>in depth, but a fair bit last night. We were

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<v Speaker 1>all out for abuse together. Yeah, yes, you can build

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<v Speaker 1>a five that's a one. Yes, you can absolutely do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the same as saying I built my deck

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<v Speaker 1>on the in the car on the way over here. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not catering to that because that's not what

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<v Speaker 1>this is for those people. There's no system or set

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<v Speaker 1>of guidelines that will prevent that. Yes, there's always gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be pub stompers and people that need to win for

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<v Speaker 1>no prizes, for nothing. You have that that's going to exist, yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're always gonna have the guy that's like, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna pup stomp these nubes real quick before I

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<v Speaker 1>go plan the main event. That's always going to be there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sucks. That's just kind of part of the

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<v Speaker 1>ecosystem of the game, and we have just we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to address that much more than probably.

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<v Speaker 2>And you could have you could have a very concrete,

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<v Speaker 2>hard and fast, black and white rules system and people

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<v Speaker 2>would still do that. You could have a rule system

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<v Speaker 2>like this where they say, oh, up or down a

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<v Speaker 2>level is probably fine as long as everybody knows, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the expectation. You're still going to have that. You're

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<v Speaker 2>still going to have people that know that this framework

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<v Speaker 2>exists and ironically try and circumvent the rules by saying,

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<v Speaker 2>my level four is actually a one because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>play any game changers and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't blow up land and I don't take extra turn. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>technically that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And you're you're still going to have people

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<v Speaker 2>that that don't know that this exists. And when you say, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that's an actual.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually a four bracket, a bracket four deck, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to say, what, huh, what do you brackets about?

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<v Speaker 2>And then then that introduces the line of thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worried about new players. This makes it really complex,

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<v Speaker 2>ha ha ha as if magic's not complex, like you

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<v Speaker 2>do not know a game you're playing. Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>learning to play Magic's like like if you freaking tell

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<v Speaker 2>a toddler to try and fly a rocket ship and

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<v Speaker 2>land it on a dime on Mars, Like, that's how

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<v Speaker 2>difficult this game is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very tough. Nobody who shows up at a magic

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<v Speaker 1>Fest to play with strangers is going to be so

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<v Speaker 1>unfamiliar with the rules set of the game that they

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<v Speaker 1>can't grasp this system.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so don't worry about it being complex and having

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<v Speaker 2>a second set of like cards that are pseudo banned,

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<v Speaker 2>And why aren't they pointed like Canadian Highlander. Well they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Each card's worth one point, and you can have a

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<v Speaker 2>maximum of three points in your deck before it's a

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<v Speaker 2>level four. Like they're pointed. It's the same thing. Will

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<v Speaker 2>they always be pointed? No? Will there be sometimes be

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<v Speaker 2>more pointed cards, yes, sometimes they'll be less yes. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>the final thing about Gavin's article before we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>like how it affects us in the nation and our

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<v Speaker 2>decks and stuff, is I said, finally somebody is taking

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<v Speaker 2>an actual stand to weed out all of the gray

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<v Speaker 2>areas and all of the rule zeros and all of

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<v Speaker 2>the bullshit and the liars and the pub stompers and

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<v Speaker 2>the whomever's that make the game challenging. And sure this

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<v Speaker 2>introduces some complexity because it's another list and another rule set.

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<v Speaker 2>Moderate complex, yeah, but when it's incorporated in to how

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<v Speaker 2>to play Commander in Official in an official capacity as

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<v Speaker 2>it has been, it makes it less complex because it

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<v Speaker 2>gives you a rules kind of checklist to say, am

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<v Speaker 2>I following this rule? This rule? This rule? Do my

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<v Speaker 2>decks comply?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Do your decks follow the same rule set?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's try and play them together and probably have

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<v Speaker 2>greater success, similar outcomes, and more fun than if we

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<v Speaker 2>just blind pick two random guys and said, hey, played

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<v Speaker 2>fucking magic.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is what we do when we're setting up odds

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<v Speaker 1>at Magic Fest. Yeah, yeah, you command command take up

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<v Speaker 1>the game with you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta you gotta backpack at a beard, Come sit down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So how does it affect us?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? What a what do we what do we stand

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<v Speaker 2>to gain or lose?

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<v Speaker 1>Us?

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<v Speaker 2>Me?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can't speak for you, but I can speak

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. Nothing I gain and lose nothing by this

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<v Speaker 1>framework coming into play. I went over all of my

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<v Speaker 1>decks and the results that I got with like I

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<v Speaker 1>think three exceptions are exactly what I was expecting. I

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<v Speaker 1>got precisely the results. I thought. All of my decks

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<v Speaker 1>are threes for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>I have two exceptions to your three. But you've got

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<v Speaker 2>like seven thousand decks and I've got nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know I had that many decks. Twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight not so much. That's fricking lots.

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<v Speaker 2>I have two exceptions to what I think or what

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, and then I've got two we talked a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about on the pre show yesterday too, that

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<v Speaker 2>are probably two's, but have a one game changer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I would explain via rule zero conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a modified pre con but only uses

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<v Speaker 2>cards from the Lord of the Ring set. It's got

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<v Speaker 2>a one ring in it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Same card and a preview for CEO Sidewalks Slam season three,

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<v Speaker 1>episode one, coming to YouTube on February twenty eighth. That

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<v Speaker 1>deck I actually play. It's one game changer card in

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<v Speaker 1>the deck on the show, maybe more than once.

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<v Speaker 2>And because there was another game changer that got cast

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times exact what a loser, oh man, But without

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<v Speaker 2>that till just now.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it was without that deck, that deck would

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<v Speaker 1>be an easy one. Oh yeah, because it's just everything

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<v Speaker 1>has haste. Good deck, Yes, what it is, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is the literal definition of a one. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good one, but it has a game changer card in it,

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<v Speaker 1>so technically it's a three to three, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>counting it as it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, going back to what how does it affect us?

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<v Speaker 2>What do we stand to gain or lose?

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<v Speaker 1>It might be easier to me go in public and like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>yes three personally us and our closest friends of local players.

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<v Speaker 2>Whose house we go to? Who's and here's here's the example.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's kid I've known since she was in a car seat? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that guy? Right? Whose guy? Who's weddings? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in each other's weddings and shit, Like we know

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<v Speaker 2>each other, we know each other's decks, we know each

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<v Speaker 2>other's build philosophies. I know that you're not an infinite

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<v Speaker 2>combo guy. I know you don't like either flux reservoir.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Jesse doesn't do infinite combos, but he runs

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<v Speaker 2>two Wrath of Gods and.

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<v Speaker 1>Every deck yep, literal wrath of God.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, I know tendencies of my friends. I know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm getting. I know what the expectation is. So

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<v Speaker 2>this tool is not a tool that we need for that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>is it a conversation starter when new players come into

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<v Speaker 2>our lgs? Probably it is. Is it something that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you could print out the list of game changers and

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<v Speaker 2>the brackets to show people who've never heard of it before,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in the next month or so, to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>check this out. Where do your decks fall in? What's

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about deck building? And maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of find a common ground and completely shortcut

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<v Speaker 2>the whole bracket conversation. Once we get to know each other,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to figure shit out. Yeah, and probably everybody

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<v Speaker 2>at our local game store you could do that with.

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<v Speaker 2>And probably I don't go quite as often as you,

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<v Speaker 2>Probably ninety percent of the people that.

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<v Speaker 1>I could do that with. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And as far as how does it affect CCO nation,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the same way, Because you're already watching, You're already

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<v Speaker 2>entrenched in in our culture and in our attitude, and

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<v Speaker 2>in our sense of humor, and obviously the way that

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<v Speaker 2>we build decks. If you watch our show over.

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<v Speaker 1>And over again, you're going to know all those things too.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna know all that stuff because you know, no Dixon,

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<v Speaker 2>no assholes. And that's the whole that's the whole point

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<v Speaker 2>of this. If you've already got that down, then it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you've shortcuted the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't necessarily need this, but maybe you're gonna run

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<v Speaker 1>into somebody that you don't know, and maybe this will

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<v Speaker 1>be helpful. Yeah. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>So the couple issues that I do take from it,

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<v Speaker 2>and and this is maybe a criticism that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>need an answer for in Gavin's article and in the

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<v Speaker 2>UH in the breakdown of like when you can start

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<v Speaker 2>to cast your combos and stuff, right, what is early

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<v Speaker 2>and what is late? Like what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Six turn six?

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<v Speaker 2>Six manna which is quite the same.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the that's the big question. Is I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say six. I think that most big time combos you

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<v Speaker 1>can probably do with If that's what you need, two

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<v Speaker 1>card ones and stuff, you can probably do six turns well,

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<v Speaker 1>man is what it takes to do it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you apply mana to turn, then yes, turn six would

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<v Speaker 1>be the one. But sometimes you do lanceol Ring Signet

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<v Speaker 1>go yeah land Land.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Land sol Ring game changer like Grim Monolith. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I've got six man on turn two, right, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why that game changer is there. Yes, right, So it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got an infinite combo and this game changer in

428
00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.799
<v Speaker 2>my deck. The infinite combo costs six manna, but I

429
00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:20.799
<v Speaker 2>am running a Grim Monolith because I.

430
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Have a foil one, because I'm a baller and right

431
00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.480
<v Speaker 1>to arbitrarily not do that, because I can't do this

432
00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:27.480
<v Speaker 1>until turn six.

433
00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.519
<v Speaker 2>No, And that's why this is a great again frameworker

434
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.960
<v Speaker 2>tool to start a conversation. By the way, I don't

435
00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:39.319
<v Speaker 2>have a foil Grim Monolith. I don't. I don't own

436
00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:41.440
<v Speaker 2>one of those. But if I did, I'd sure as

437
00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:42.200
<v Speaker 2>fuck be playing.

438
00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it would be a deck, and I'd sure as fuck.

439
00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Be telling people that I own it. Right, And then

440
00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:54.960
<v Speaker 2>it uses the bracket framework as a cool way to

441
00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.920
<v Speaker 2>tell somebody about like your pimpest deck. What deck would

442
00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:03.000
<v Speaker 2>you put a foil Grim Monolith? Oh, do you play

443
00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Grim Monolith currently in that deck? No?

444
00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:06.720
<v Speaker 1>But if I had one, I would, But you would

445
00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I only have gold bordered Oh? I know, I know,

446
00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know, I know.

447
00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:20.200
<v Speaker 2>That's why I don't play shit, I don't Okay, next thing.

448
00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Next thing.

449
00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.759
<v Speaker 2>That is something that I have that I always question.

450
00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:27.400
<v Speaker 2>And this goes back to like reading legal documents and

451
00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:31.440
<v Speaker 2>like collective agreements and stuff. I'm a boring old job redundancies.

452
00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Why are we saying the same thing two times, as in,

453
00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.519
<v Speaker 2>why are we saying tutors should be sparse in categories

454
00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.720
<v Speaker 2>one and two and three and also putting tutors in

455
00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:44.039
<v Speaker 2>the game changer's list when we should just say tutors

456
00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:48.279
<v Speaker 2>should be sparse. And that's it. Now. I know Gavin's

457
00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.640
<v Speaker 2>reasoning in the article. I understand, Like I see the reasoning.

458
00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that that's good enough.

459
00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't either.

460
00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I think that if tutor should be sparse, you should

461
00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:00.240
<v Speaker 2>only have like what does sparse mean? Let's def find

462
00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:02.359
<v Speaker 2>that term. Does sparse mean three in your whole deck?

463
00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

464
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Does that mean two in your whole deck? Does that

465
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.039
<v Speaker 2>mean what? They should be sparse in terms of narrow

466
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:12.319
<v Speaker 2>tutors that can only find enchantments or artifacts.

467
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Or creatures, Well, obviously not, because the ones that can

468
00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.279
<v Speaker 1>only find artifacts and enchantments or instance an sorceries are

469
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.880
<v Speaker 1>on the list of game changing cards as opposed to

470
00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.119
<v Speaker 1>the ones that can find anything you want, like gamble

471
00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:25.279
<v Speaker 1>or things that will probably make you find even more

472
00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>things like I don't know, uh, what is there not Hermit, Druid,

473
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Heritage Druid, what's the Druid? I'm thinking of Druid green

474
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:38.319
<v Speaker 1>one taptics card, it's Survival of the Legs on Legs?

475
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what is that card?

476
00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:42.480
<v Speaker 1>That one? Yeah?

477
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say Survival of the Shaman.

478
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, you find that there's lots of other

479
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:50.839
<v Speaker 1>cards that sort of do those things, and the fact

480
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.039
<v Speaker 1>that no creature tutors made that list with some of

481
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the other ones did is kind of m telling.

482
00:23:55.920 --> 00:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, Survival of the Fittest did, I think though, that's

483
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.680
<v Speaker 2>because it's repeatable, right, Ah, do a multiple times. And

484
00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.000
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing though, the other tutors that made the

485
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.839
<v Speaker 2>list aren't repeatable, but they still should be sparse.

486
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:10.960
<v Speaker 1>And they tutor to the top of the deck.

487
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:14.759
<v Speaker 2>I can have a I can have a grim tutor

488
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:16.640
<v Speaker 2>in my deck, but I can't have a demonic tutor.

489
00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>It's one man a different right. I can have a

490
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:21.599
<v Speaker 2>grim tutor and a cruel tutor, but I can't have

491
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:23.839
<v Speaker 2>a demonic tutor in my deck. I can have a

492
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Grim Tutor and a Cruel tutor in my bracket two,

493
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's sparse. But if I put one Demonic Tutor

494
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>in it, then it's a three. Or if I cut

495
00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Grim and Cruel and I put Demonic in just straight up,

496
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.319
<v Speaker 2>then it's a three. That's what I don't like. And

497
00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I and I know that there's some some gray area

498
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:48.279
<v Speaker 2>in between, like in between let's say bracket two and

499
00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:52.079
<v Speaker 2>bracket three. But when we don't have a definition for sparse,

500
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that does leave the door open for me to say, well,

501
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 2>my tutors are sparse. I only have Grim Tutor and

502
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Cruel Tutor. Sure, but my deck is a three because

503
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I also play Demonic Tutor. But then I could say, well,

504
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.960
<v Speaker 2>really though, that's only three tutors total. So I'm gonna

505
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.680
<v Speaker 2>play this in a two bracket because it's it's my

506
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:13.960
<v Speaker 2>only game changer, and one extra card doesn't make my

507
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>deck not have sparse tutors anymore.

508
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:19.160
<v Speaker 1>And my thing with all the tutors is redundancy, of course,

509
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:20.880
<v Speaker 1>is why you play them, but like, what are you

510
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:26.160
<v Speaker 1>redundantly looking for? What if what you're tutoring for isn't

511
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 1>like something game busting or insane, you're finding your what's

512
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.319
<v Speaker 1>the thing there's a red enchantment where it kills the

513
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:38.039
<v Speaker 1>thing that it's on, and whoever like cycles through their

514
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:39.839
<v Speaker 1>library till they get to another thing that shows a

515
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:41.519
<v Speaker 1>type with it. It puts that into play with that

516
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 1>attached to it. Like whatever that enchantment is, maybe it'll

517
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:46.079
<v Speaker 1>be on the screen of joke and think of what

518
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>it is and you're watching it on YouTube and you

519
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.039
<v Speaker 1>can see it, Like what if that's what you're running

520
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:52.839
<v Speaker 1>a redundancy for? Because that's kind of the thing that

521
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.160
<v Speaker 1>your deck does, you know what I mean? Like is

522
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>your deck still a three or is it this janky

523
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.279
<v Speaker 1>thing that only plays four preachers in this one card

524
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and then a ways to find?

525
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and exactly I think of five color Modern White

526
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Angel Aaron's deck.

527
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 1>That's the exact deck. Yeah, where where he's got like

528
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>one creature in the whole day.

529
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Is polymorph become a tutor's proteus staff become a tutor

530
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.039
<v Speaker 2>in your deck that runs one creature? And I think

531
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the answer is yes. Then it goes back to letter

532
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.319
<v Speaker 2>of the law exactly how it's written versus intent, And

533
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.559
<v Speaker 2>I like that there's room for interpretation on that front

534
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>because For people that are in Trench magic players who

535
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>are familiar with a the power level of cards, the

536
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>culture of commander, and this bracket system, they can say,

537
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 2>my Souron deck is a Lord of the Rings them

538
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:46.160
<v Speaker 2>deck that's built from a pre con. It's a modified

539
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.920
<v Speaker 2>pre con, but it has a one ring in it.

540
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm still gonna play this in the two bracket because

541
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>it's only as powerful as a pre con. It's not

542
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:56.720
<v Speaker 2>a three.

543
00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:01.640
<v Speaker 1>All pre cons are twos. Apparently, Yes, there are some

544
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>that have two cards infinite combos, but it's also a two.

545
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Are there?

546
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was one from thunder Junction. I think it

547
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.400
<v Speaker 1>was last Oh yeah, I think it was an accident,

548
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>but still yeah, it's yeah, and you and you trash.

549
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.640
<v Speaker 2>There's pre cons that have what's the one trouble in pairs.

550
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>That's where the card comes from, and.

551
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 2>That's a game changer, but it's a two. That's the exception.

552
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>That's like polymorph in my own my one Creature Dot

553
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>deck polymorph. I wouldn't consider that a tutor, but I

554
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.519
<v Speaker 2>would say this is a polymorph combo deck and tell

555
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>people that you think you're polymorphing in a deck that's

556
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 2>got zero game changers. You're not polymorph comboing on turn two.

557
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>You're not doing that.

558
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:45.599
<v Speaker 1>You're just not.

559
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.440
<v Speaker 2>And I'll play against that in a two bracket. That's fine.

560
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:51.799
<v Speaker 2>My two's run removal.

561
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah fine, I got a containment priest. I'll be fine. Yeah,

562
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 1>there you go, There you go.

563
00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 2>I had to go through the mental inventory of what

564
00:27:59.240 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 2>card that was.

565
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:01.920
<v Speaker 1>If a creature comes into play and no, man I

566
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.160
<v Speaker 1>was spent to cast, did you exile it instead? Yeah?

567
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 2>You know you don't have though, drandath magistrate.

568
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I have one of those two. It's in my most

569
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:13.519
<v Speaker 1>powerful deck according to it's tied with a TRAXA. Okay,

570
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I got one more question.

571
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Then we're gonna go get into decks.

572
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, h.

573
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Should there be an allowance for game changers in each bracket?

574
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:21.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

575
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 2>You think one game changer max in each bracket? Up

576
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:25.400
<v Speaker 2>to three?

577
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

578
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Or one in one, two and two, three and three

579
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 2>and four, as four and above as any number.

580
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 1>I think you should be able to have one in

581
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>one and two. Well, just yeah, if you like. I

582
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>own a cradle, and I thought that it would make

583
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>my Sapreling deck or my OOZ deck like a little better.

584
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I like that line. Of thought where I opened up

585
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:46.839
<v Speaker 2>this card.

586
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>And one and I don't I don't maybe have the

587
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say the resources are the excitement to acquire

588
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the resources to play a three or four. But I

589
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>did open this fierce Guardianship and I really want to

590
00:28:58.400 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>play it.

591
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I got an exam. I got the exact example from

592
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Gemstone mind John. His sister opened up a Strixaven Mystical Archive,

593
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Demonic Tutor. That's a card, but it goes in her

594
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>off brick. It's it's like it's like a nightmare them

595
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.200
<v Speaker 2>deck like it's.

596
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Like nightmare like the Horse that Flies or nightmare like.

597
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know, probably some like she doesn't play

598
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>magic that much and the deck isn't obviously it's not

599
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>a powerful deck. She just opened it, so she plays

600
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.960
<v Speaker 2>it as she should as it and it's probably less

601
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>powerful than a two. Yeah, but it's not technically a one.

602
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>This is a whole different problem that we're not going

603
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>to talk about. It's technically less powerful than a pre

604
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.079
<v Speaker 2>con but it doesn't have a theme, So like, where

605
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 2>do those decks exist? But they existed one or two?

606
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter. So anyways, onto our deck. Yes, this

607
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.359
<v Speaker 2>is act I actually had a good time doing this

608
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>this morning.

609
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>It was very enlightening. I had so many decks and

610
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>it took me a long time. It took me a

611
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>long time. I did it on architect early in the morning.

612
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I started knowing it was going to take a while.

613
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And as I was about maybe halfway through the like,

614
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the indicators came up for game changers sort of popping

615
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>up in my list, and I was like, before I

616
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:15.759
<v Speaker 1>had to go through and the cross cross check the list,

617
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I was counting and shit on my fingers, and then

618
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I clicked on when I said, what does this little

619
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 1>fucking star hear me? Oh my god. Oh like updated

620
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>it while I was, which made the rest of it

621
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.400
<v Speaker 1>very easy. But oh my god, so.

622
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I have I'll say this. I have one deck that

623
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't count game changers on my fingers.

624
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 1>It's got eleven. Wow, I think it is.

625
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's actually twelve because I think that there's

626
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 2>a there's a ancient two minutes. The deck is that

627
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Breuvac Breuvac cedh like mill Combo. I'm trying to cast

628
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 2>a six drop on turn two to kill.

629
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.599
<v Speaker 1>You the c Yeah, of course we're going to talk

630
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>about the difference.

631
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's do bracket one though, what do you got in.

632
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Brack of one? According to two with the bracket system,

633
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:05.599
<v Speaker 1>I have one. I got one one, and it's below

634
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 1>part of brambles and anybody who's ever and here's why.

635
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Here's why. It's a one because it doesn't play any

636
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 1>game changes, it has no land denial, it has no

637
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>extra term.

638
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Is this your jank one like your trash anti one?

639
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 1>They're both trash according to the bracket system. And it's

640
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 1>got a theme of all the bulk shitty artifacts and enchantments.

641
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna play anywhere else it costs four or more.

642
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you are a piece of trash.

643
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>But it also turns out that all of those bulkshit

644
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>enchantments are four fours. They're indestructible in haste, and they

645
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.480
<v Speaker 1>also draw me a card when they hit you. And

646
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 1>anybody who's played against that bellow deck knows for goddamn

647
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 1>certain it is not a one.

648
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 2>So letter of the law versus intent corec and you,

649
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 2>as a season magic player who knows the culture of commander.

650
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 1>It's a three.

651
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>It's a three, and it's perfect as a three. It's

652
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:03.759
<v Speaker 2>a perfec because you're specifically not playing stuff to push

653
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>it over the top in terms of power.

654
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it ain't a one. It ain't a one. No,

655
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you that right now. So according to them,

656
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I have one one and it's obviously not a one,

657
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>And I do have a three that should be a

658
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>one because it's mono face down creatures, just all the

659
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>different kinds of face down creatures. But it's a three

660
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.559
<v Speaker 1>because it had a fierce guardianship in it, because I

661
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 1>had one in my binder. So I think when I

662
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.559
<v Speaker 1>get home, I'm gonna cut it and then vanifar my

663
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 1>new deck, it'll be a one.

664
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Now, this is a wholenother trajectory. I said on the

665
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:39.000
<v Speaker 2>pre show yesterday. We could talk a.

666
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Week about this.

667
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's a whole nother trajectory. Does that one

668
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 2>game changer make you want to take it out? So

669
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.559
<v Speaker 2>you can say, this is very strictly to the letter

670
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 2>of the law. I'm changing one card that's not even

671
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna matter the letter of the law a two or

672
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.319
<v Speaker 2>a one or a three. And the other thing, too

673
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>is if it's not gonna matter, why do I gotta

674
00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 2>cut it? I want to play the card I have

675
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 2>it yeah right, Well, then it's a three because you

676
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:06.799
<v Speaker 2>can't move down from a three to a one. That's

677
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 2>a two bread two bracket jump, a two bracket jump.

678
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>You can't move two brackets down, and you're making card

679
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>choices based on wanting to play this specific card because

680
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 2>of what it does. Your deck's not a one anymore.

681
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Your deck isn't a two anymore. That's a three.

682
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

683
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>My one one is Greema worm Tongue Cesio raw dog deck.

684
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>There you go. Yeah, yeah, so I guess my raw

685
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>dog deck technically is also a one, but I have

686
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 1>an actual version of it that I really done.

687
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Here we are my twos, your twost I got twos. Now,

688
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.799
<v Speaker 2>these are the ones that I deem are on the

689
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.599
<v Speaker 2>same power level as a modern day pre con that

690
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>don't have any game changers land denial, fast manna, sparse

691
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 2>tutors whatever that means. And what's the other thing. You

692
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.880
<v Speaker 2>can take an extra turn, but you're not treaming, oh yeah, no,

693
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>no chaining extra teah. Okay, So I've got bray of

694
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 2>vehicles and my old vehicle deck dinosaurs driving vehicles that would.

695
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Have been a one.

696
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I will say that that deck never won a game

697
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 2>ever right Bray of Vehicles has at least one games there,

698
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 2>we go, okay, mind Skinner because it takes multiple turnover

699
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>turn to mill you, and it's not gonna happen very

700
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 2>easily in the Commander's fragile Calimax. The Community Calamax build

701
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.519
<v Speaker 2>no infinites in Calamax, and I make very distinctly sure

702
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.159
<v Speaker 2>to make sure I say that no frickin' infinites in Klamax,

703
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>because he's famous for going infinite. Right. Then i got

704
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 2>guy here Birds with a sub theme of the Ring

705
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>tempt You that could almost be a one. And then

706
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I've got Cascade Super Friends, Averna teamer Cascade Super It's slow,

707
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>but it does have a great Cascade land engine in it,

708
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>like frecons usually do, with a big kind of finish

709
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.880
<v Speaker 2>at the end, with a full of permanence like I

710
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I equate that one to kind of like the er

711
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Miss pre Con from a couple of years ago.

712
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Cool.

713
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what are your twos?

714
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>My twos? I have apparently six of them. I've got

715
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:15.280
<v Speaker 1>a ratidrabic oops all legendaries, yep. I've got Tan of

716
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the butt Sewer and Jessica got all the swords that

717
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and that cards that decade either. But according to this

718
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>it is.

719
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Because no game changers, right, correct, I've got tour brand.

720
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Quit hitting yourself. That's everything? Does one the deck? Yeah?

721
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a solid two. I think that

722
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>one's a good that's probably it runs. Yes, it runs

723
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.519
<v Speaker 1>a blood moon, but like, okay.

724
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a great example. I'm saying this runs a

725
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>blood moon in a mono red deck. If you want

726
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 2>it to be a true too instead of a rule

727
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.159
<v Speaker 2>zero two? Could we we could use that language, right?

728
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I could probably cut the blood I wanted to think

729
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of it.

730
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Think of your tour brand as kind of like a

731
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Gyerson Stern Warhammer forty K deck, right, kind of does

732
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 2>the same thing.

733
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's one that nobody's going to agree with?

734
00:35:58.880 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

735
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Once? I tell you what it does? I have Wolfgar

736
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 1>double attack triggers featuring all of the El Drassi Titans.

737
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I can double the Annihilator triggers.

738
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.599
<v Speaker 2>How is that not chaining extra turns?

739
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Its changing You don't have to sack your land to annihilator.

740
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 2>How is that not chaining extra turns? In that extra

741
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.840
<v Speaker 2>combats is how you normally win with extra turns. And

742
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 2>also sacking artifacts that produce manna and eventually lands because

743
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.559
<v Speaker 2>multiple Annihilator four triggers will make me sack my lands.

744
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.079
<v Speaker 2>How is it a two intent versus law?

745
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Exactly? Exactly exactly, and that's what these are. These are

746
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>by the laws of the thing.

747
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Again, people, you have to communicate that through the bracket

748
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.679
<v Speaker 2>system language and rules set, combined with rule zero and

749
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.760
<v Speaker 2>your knowledge of the culture of commander. It's very important

750
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>that you do both of those things.

751
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, other number two Obeca too. That's the extra

752
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 1>up peop Rebecca, even though that one kind of is

753
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 1>taking extra turns.

754
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fuck that that's so that's a three.

755
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>That's hard, and that that one's also a three ranked

756
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 1>is a two because of how the thing works. We

757
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 1>already talked about.

758
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Extra upkeeps and you, yeah, like seven extra up keeps.

759
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>That's not extra turns, but you're doing a thing that

760
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>a turn.

761
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Would care about having line as well, because I want

762
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>to have seven more turns, so I can have seven

763
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>more upkeeps. Take them all on one turn and the

764
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>other two where they were Bellow and Vana far which

765
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 1>were kind of there. So we already talked about that.

766
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got threes I've got Trufast by the Letter

767
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.440
<v Speaker 2>of the Laws a three and it has a one

768
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:41.880
<v Speaker 2>ring take it out, take it out it becomes a two.

769
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 2>And from Fusion Gaming Online dot com, I just got

770
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the the two drop enchantment that gives your creatures plus

771
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.440
<v Speaker 2>one plus one and whenever a creature enters the battlefield,

772
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.039
<v Speaker 2>you draw card or something.

773
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>You know what I was thinking to be really cool

774
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.400
<v Speaker 1>in that deck is you play that new Nissa creature

775
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 1>that whenever a land comes into play, you get two energies,

776
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.199
<v Speaker 1>and then you can pay eight energies to play something

777
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 1>for free. Yes, and then you play Life and a

778
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Limb to turn all your saperlings into lands. Then you

779
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>make five SAPs and you get ten energy, and then

780
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you can play something like that thing that turns all

781
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:11.400
<v Speaker 1>your dudes into six sixes.

782
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 2>And now your deck is a badass and probably still

783
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 2>a two because that that's terrible that Nissa comes into

784
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 2>pre con and it takes like four cards to make

785
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>that happen. So Trufas is a three. My Advisors is

786
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 2>a three. It's got one game changer in it. Okay,

787
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I think probably it's more powerful than a pre con

788
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>because late game I can go like with my team

789
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 2>of a creatures that I worked hard in the game

790
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>to get.

791
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I did work.

792
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I can go Illusions of Grander, I gain twenty. All

793
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 2>my guys get plus twenty take three hundred damage. Yes,

794
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.480
<v Speaker 2>that's a combo. That's a combo. So it's got a

795
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>late game combo. I've got Estrid the Bald, same thing.

796
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I work my ass off the whole time.

797
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 1>It's an enchanter's deck.

798
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.679
<v Speaker 2>It's an enchanter's deck that plays Sarah's Sanctum game changer

799
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that I say, I'm gonna pay to Life to prevent

800
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>all damage from this hurricane for sixty. Yeah, so I'm

801
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna take two. You guys all take sixty.

802
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:08.800
<v Speaker 1>That's a combo, but.

803
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.920
<v Speaker 2>It takes like fifteen cards in my deck to happen. Sure,

804
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I've got Alenda. It's got one game changer with endgame

805
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>three card endgame combo. It's got like the the one

806
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.719
<v Speaker 2>that puts a plus one. When a creature dies and

807
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 2>gives you a servo, you sack the servo and Alenda

808
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>gets a counter. You get a servo. Yeah, and you

809
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>make infinite manna to like torment somebody to death. Yes,

810
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.760
<v Speaker 2>so it's three or four cards. Endgame costs a bunch

811
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>of man Sure. I've got Lord of Tresserhorn one game

812
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 2>changer in there. I don't even remember what it is.

813
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Probably it isn't Psychonic Drift.

814
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's rift.

815
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.559
<v Speaker 2>It's got infect to end the game, and it's got

816
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>like deal ten or deal twenty to you with one attack.

817
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 2>I've got orvar the all form. It's got one game changer,

818
00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:01.199
<v Speaker 2>cyclonic rift again and late game three card combo. It

819
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.519
<v Speaker 2>can chain extra turn sure, which actually is an accidental combo,

820
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.159
<v Speaker 2>which Gavin's article covers. I didn't know that that was

821
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>in there until it happened one time.

822
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sometimes you just are putting shit in.

823
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I guess. I five mana TimewARP and my

824
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.840
<v Speaker 2>wizard that gets something back from my graveyard with the

825
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>laboratory that bounces a wizard. It's like an eight mana

826
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 2>take infinite turns now, which is enough. Yeah, Souron upgraded

827
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 2>pre Con one game changer, and then Bryan Stout Arm

828
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>one game changer. That's where my smothering tithe is because

829
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Boros Yes, and all of my fast manna that would

830
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 2>be in that deck that has all my eight drops.

831
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 2>The fling is all in bruvac. Okay, let me who's

832
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:45.119
<v Speaker 2>your threes?

833
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Seventeen of them. We're gonna go real fast. Here we go.

834
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>So we've got the necro bloom. That's the closest thing

835
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.039
<v Speaker 1>to a CDH deck that I have right now. And

836
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's technically a three. No infinite combo in

837
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.000
<v Speaker 1>that one. It's just got the indeterminate.

838
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 2>GRAI you know what in determine it dredge isn't extra turn,

839
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 2>but eliminates agency or eliminates your opponents actively participating. Right,

840
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>stop me, or you stop me, or watch me for

841
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes.

842
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I got Rondas rolling dice and making dragons a Patra

843
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>mex neck. Then we got Nico. That's the sharp farting.

844
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.079
<v Speaker 1>That's the one that makes the enchantments that turn into clones.

845
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>That's redundancy, Brander. You don't have to say sharp farting.

846
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 2>You can just say sharding.

847
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:31.679
<v Speaker 1>But I'm I'm farting shark, no meanings, sharks tokens. If oh,

848
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I get I've got avy, I got av Everything costs

849
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>seven storm rev. That one I think could be a

850
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.199
<v Speaker 1>lot higher. Nor in the second that should be a

851
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 1>one or two. Also, it's got some game changes. Nor

852
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>in the second yeah, Nor in the first is also

853
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 1>a three.

854
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Way only three less than three game changers?

855
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Ye, no two, Oh there's three. There's three. Sorry, And

856
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 1>to Ralph is a three. I think it could probably

857
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>go higher based on play one card and win. Give

858
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 1>a that Trelph. Full point is if Ralph is in play,

859
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I can play virtually any card in it and just win.

860
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that that's like a single card combo with your commander.

861
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I know that the cards Interrelf are like Earthquake when

862
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 2>there's multiple creatures on the table. I would count that

863
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:18.880
<v Speaker 2>as a late game combo because A there's got to

864
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 2>be multiple creatures and B you have to have enough.

865
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Mana the Earthquake them for six or seven Manna.

866
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Time's number of creatures is how much damage they're gonna take,

867
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 2>and you have to have that much, right, So that's

868
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a late game combo.

869
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 1>That's fine. So we got August. We talked about that one.

870
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 1>That's the one that should be a one. But it's

871
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>got the one ring in it. Uh Omnathlocus of Rage

872
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.960
<v Speaker 1>talks Rail is a level three. My Brutal Clad is

873
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>a level three Bayloff, Baritil that's everything has God Glyssa

874
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that's oops all death Touch, but I don't think it

875
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>should probably be in there, but it plays a man

876
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 1>of all probably nine. By the end of the game.

877
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I got Herobi I think that's the solid three and

878
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Obeca one. Now, this one was a little bit tricky

879
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 1>because I wasn't sure how to count the extra turns

880
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>because Obeca has seven extra turn spells in privy counts,

881
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if that makes it a four

882
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>because the rest of the cards is like either cards

883
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:18.320
<v Speaker 1>with Myriad because I don't have universes beyond cards to

884
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Speaker 1>replace them with yet and universes beyond cards mostly from

885
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Who that costs like eight or nine. It's on

886
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Sidewalk Slam. I've played it locally here lots. I don't

887
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 1>know if that's a four because it has extra turns

888
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 1>in it, it doesn't repeat them. It just basically gives

889
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>all my dudes here.

890
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 2>You know what, it's a tricky one. If you could go,

891
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>if you could go like time Warp, I'm gonna do

892
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 2>my turn and attack and bullshit and then untap and

893
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 2>top deck an extra turnspell. Al Ron's Epiphany take an

894
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 2>extra turn, do my thing and attack and stuff, and

895
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:57.159
<v Speaker 2>then untap regrowth, get time warp back or or whatever,

896
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 2>cast from gravy or top deck, another one, snapcast or

897
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.239
<v Speaker 2>ma like, have another one in your hand. I think

898
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 2>that puts it into four. If you've got seven extra

899
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.239
<v Speaker 2>turn cats cards, I can't do.

900
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Any of that shit that Ryan just said, except for

901
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>draw them off the top.

902
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.199
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, sure, as if you're not playing card draw

903
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.400
<v Speaker 2>as if you didn't want to draw them off the top,

904
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>if the opportunity existed or presented itself, you would do it. Yes,

905
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>So I think that puts it into the four. Unintent

906
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 2>sure sure?

907
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

908
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Is that all your threes?

909
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Those are all my threes?

910
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:28.360
<v Speaker 2>We said the really fat how many fours you got?

911
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 1>I have four fours?

912
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 2>No five, four fours?

913
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 1>No five?

914
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've got three fours and one of them surprised me.

915
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I have got balth Or the Defiled. It's got early

916
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:49.360
<v Speaker 2>game combos ye In Byrexian Altar and Grave Crawler as

917
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 2>early as probably turned two, no, probably turned three something else.

918
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 2>I need to have another zombie as if there's no

919
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 2>other one drop zombies in the deck, and I've and

920
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:05.239
<v Speaker 2>it's also gotten familiar hole everything with Assault Monolith and

921
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 2>mesmeric orb.

922
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>What happened last time you tried that?

923
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Shut up, Rebecca, Yeah, there we go. And the other

924
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 2>thing because it's only got two game changers in it.

925
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that it's got is many, many tutors.

926
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Only two of those tutors are game changers Demonic and Vampiric,

927
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 2>but there's also a Grim and a Cruel and multiple

928
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 2>zombies that tutor like cityc and stuff, and there's things

929
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.199
<v Speaker 2>that tutor directly to my graveyard. There's like three of

930
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.760
<v Speaker 2>those and they're also zombies. Right, So.

931
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>It can do the.

932
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Thing that it does very consistently. So I can't in

933
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 2>good faith play it at a two as like a Typo.

934
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Or Kindred deck.

935
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't at three, say when cast a tutor Nextern Tutor,

936
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Nextern Tutor, nexter and combo.

937
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Can't do that at power level.

938
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right. My other one is Marvel multiple tutors again,

939
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 2>including Perentity Biss.

940
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 1>That's the chain Expert turns when we talked about earlier.

941
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Chane Extra turns, and then my sixty.

942
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Eight land deck. Huh.

943
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it can add Nauseum tutor in ole deck in

944
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 2>one circumstance. On turn two, when I go first and

945
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.079
<v Speaker 2>I play the green card, that says, whenever my opponent

946
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.760
<v Speaker 2>plays the land, I can play a landing burgeoning, and

947
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>then player two and three and four and then me

948
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.639
<v Speaker 2>play a land. And I have an ad nauseum in

949
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:32.599
<v Speaker 2>my starter, I can add nauseum at the end of

950
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:33.480
<v Speaker 2>player four's turn.

951
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 1>That is good.

952
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 2>But the reason it's in four is because it's got

953
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 2>four game changers. Yep, it's got ad nauseum, it's got

954
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 2>cyclonic rift, it's got glacial chasm, and then it's got

955
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.480
<v Speaker 2>ancient two something else. I don't remember the agent, right, No,

956
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

957
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.559
<v Speaker 1>I'ms diamond. No, I don't remember what it is. Well,

958
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

959
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.119
<v Speaker 2>It's got a very very expensive mana base. And I

960
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:02.639
<v Speaker 2>love how this this bracket system says nothing about that.

961
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, how many times have you ever been hit

962
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 2>with like a turn one you play down a turn

963
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.519
<v Speaker 2>one duel land and the guy's like, oh, joking or not.

964
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Know we're playing CDH bro right.

965
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dude, I don't know. I just I've been

966
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:16.440
<v Speaker 2>playing Magic for twenty years.

967
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I just have this. It's fine. I was actually gonna say, like,

968
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that's listed on those brackets between

969
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I would say two and three is how many of

970
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.000
<v Speaker 1>your lands come into play on tap? And I let

971
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.519
<v Speaker 1>sounds kind of stupid, but like, if you look at

972
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 1>a pre con manabase, they suck, and they suck not

973
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>because they can't make your colors, because fifty percent of

974
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.599
<v Speaker 1>your lands come into play fucking tap unless you do

975
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:40.880
<v Speaker 1>something else. You have this many opponents, you have this

976
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 1>many basics, you show them this many cards in your hand,

977
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Right, you can't just play your shit. You

978
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.079
<v Speaker 1>have to meet all these other fucking requirements. And if

979
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.199
<v Speaker 1>you have a manabase that doesn't need that, I would

980
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 1>suggest that that could push your deck a little bit further.

981
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:57.840
<v Speaker 2>You could get online, as it were.

982
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe a turn sooner, especially when you're playing a

983
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:03.760
<v Speaker 1>three four, five color deck, where like you're playing.

984
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Now, what is a turn sooner in terms of what

985
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 2>bracket my deck falls into?

986
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Exact's the question, right, And that's the difference between playing like,

987
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.119
<v Speaker 1>can your deck reliably play a colored one drop? If

988
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the answer is no, your deck is a two because

989
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a pre con and all your lands suck.

990
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And when when we say I don't know.

991
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>One game changer can move my deck down.

992
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.360
<v Speaker 2>If I rule zero it, or it can move it

993
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 2>up in the in the sense that I've got four

994
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>game changers now, right, what is a man of base

995
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 2>with perfect maunt, a dual, shocks, fetches in terms of

996
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 2>speeding my deck up? Maybe a turn? Does that move

997
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.800
<v Speaker 2>my deck up a category? Or can I still say, oh,

998
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.760
<v Speaker 2>it's a two, but I play shocks and fetches and duels.

999
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think right, Actually, I don't think should actually

1000
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.760
<v Speaker 1>be a thing, but it should be a consideration. It

1001
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.920
<v Speaker 1>does matter in early games. I think it does matter

1002
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.159
<v Speaker 1>how good you're how often do you get I think

1003
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.039
<v Speaker 1>I think that is something that should be taken into consideration.

1004
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I think it shouldn't unless you're unless you're playing a

1005
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 2>very powerful deck that fits into three.

1006
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>That would be.

1007
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:19.519
<v Speaker 2>That could that you could say, I'll play my three

1008
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>in this ced H pod just once it's the only

1009
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:26.840
<v Speaker 2>deck I brought. Right, there's the difference. I have meta

1010
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:32.239
<v Speaker 2>considerations that one manna that comes into play untapped makes

1011
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the difference my shockland versus my duel land when I'm

1012
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:41.159
<v Speaker 2>at nauseum makes the difference. The the tropical Island into

1013
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Manadork on turn one makes the difference. And that's when

1014
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.480
<v Speaker 2>you're moving from four to five. But what's your force?

1015
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:48.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, my force?

1016
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>You got four fours.

1017
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I got four fours, and this is some of these

1018
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.360
<v Speaker 1>are weird, and the first two I don't agree with.

1019
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:54.639
<v Speaker 1>It's only because game changes.

1020
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Hold on, sorry, editor, Joe, I know we're a touch long,

1021
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.079
<v Speaker 2>that we're almost We're just about done here.

1022
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Coma Coma Cosmo Serpent is a Voltron deck, but it

1023
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>plays your Guardianship, it plays Manivault, it plays Force of

1024
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Will and one other one ancient too, because my commander

1025
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 1>costs seven, nine, eleven, thirteen fifteen, and I have to

1026
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:19.920
<v Speaker 1>play her again because my deck cannot win without her

1027
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and I want to protect her. Next one all three sons.

1028
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Glory is a four because probably game changers, right.

1029
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Because it plays Smothering Time, it plays Trouble in Pairs,

1030
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>it plays Drandith Magistrate, it plays Man of Aol. Yep,

1031
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:35.559
<v Speaker 1>now it's a four apparently.

1032
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And while and here's the thing about having more

1033
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 2>than four fours or four game changers is what if

1034
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you play like on turn three a game changer game,

1035
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.199
<v Speaker 2>turn four game changer, Turn five game changer. You're probably

1036
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:51.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna win that game, as the game were probably gonna

1037
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>win if you play a bunch of those game changers.

1038
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a solid way to like, Judge, do.

1039
00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I want these?

1040
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Am I gonna win if I cast multiple of them

1041
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 2>in a game? That The answer is probably yeah.

1042
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Probably, Yeah. This one I think probably is exactly where

1043
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it belongs to Sliver Queen. That deck is basically only.

1044
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Three queen, and that's how people will treat it.

1045
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's got five game changers in it, all tutors

1046
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:19.519
<v Speaker 1>and smothering Time and the last one and this is

1047
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 1>the one that I don't agree with because you have

1048
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to look at the list and not have an emotional

1049
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 1>response to what it is is attracts and it has

1050
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.960
<v Speaker 1>six game changers in it, including both of those creators

1051
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.880
<v Speaker 1>we talked about on the pre show, and then the

1052
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>tutors to find them and a smothering tithe to help

1053
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 1>play them. This is a deck that the threat curve,

1054
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the actual curve starts at three. Yeah, nothing that impacts

1055
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the game before three. I'm not playing a threatening creature

1056
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:48.159
<v Speaker 1>until six or seven.

1057
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Manna.

1058
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Here's even then. They don't as I got your back. Though.

1059
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing is that's exact. That sounds exactly like

1060
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:01.239
<v Speaker 2>a commander deck. That sounds like high power commander deck.

1061
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Who's your commander, attracsa, what are you doing casting all

1062
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the prayeders? How are you doing it fast mana and

1063
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.920
<v Speaker 2>or other game changers that provide me mana above curve. Yes,

1064
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 2>that's commander deck, bro Like, that's it.

1065
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:12.679
<v Speaker 1>That's what it is.

1066
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 2>So is it a four?

1067
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Like? Would it be as close to CDH as you

1068
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:17.239
<v Speaker 1>can get? Absolutely?

1069
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.559
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, And that's not the point of four.

1070
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 2>The four isn't the ceiling before CEDH.

1071
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.079
<v Speaker 1>The four is.

1072
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.159
<v Speaker 2>That's not like one level off of penthouse or ceiling

1073
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:33.840
<v Speaker 2>or rooftop. It's powerful commander and that exists in this

1074
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:42.320
<v Speaker 2>huge just mecha space. That is commander and that's commander. Like,

1075
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:47.480
<v Speaker 2>why that's commander to me? Like, I have no other

1076
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 2>way to say it. But five, If you have to

1077
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 2>ask the difference, you're in the four category. Yes, that's

1078
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>that's how. That's how all Chiller No Philer, Miller told me,

1079
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Like the difference. If you have to ask, what's the

1080
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Speaker 2>difference between four and five?

1081
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>You're playing four, you're playing a four.

1082
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that my Animar deck isn't a four,

1083
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.400
<v Speaker 2>correct because I have cards in there that are specifically

1084
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.880
<v Speaker 2>to stop other cards that I know are great against

1085
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 2>my deck that are outside of Animar's color like protections

1086
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:23.760
<v Speaker 2>that are one drop, counterspells that get tutors and demonic consultation.

1087
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.199
<v Speaker 2>I've got things in there that allow me to respond

1088
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>to things that are going to try and stop my combos.

1089
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:36.280
<v Speaker 2>That's the difference. Yes, I know that I need to

1090
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:40.599
<v Speaker 2>beat these things that are in the meta of competitive and.

1091
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 1>That's what makes the CDCH deck in my opinion, with

1092
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:46.360
<v Speaker 1>this bracket system, which is what I really like, is

1093
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 1>it's totally about intention and if you build a deck

1094
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 1>with the intention of beating the CDH meta, which we

1095
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.760
<v Speaker 1>don't talk about a lot here but Gemstone John certainly does.

1096
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Are we gonna hear that?

1097
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, LB. Can you turn the furnace off?

1098
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Just hit the switch. I appreciate that.

1099
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.039
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, my guy.

1100
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:13.199
<v Speaker 2>So when you go into a light switch, it shuts

1101
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the furnace off.

1102
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Behind the fridge. When you go into with the intention

1103
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>of fighting a meta, then you're playing in the CDH meta. Yes,

1104
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 1>just building a deck to be as strong as it

1105
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>possibly can. It's probably a four if you're seeing if

1106
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing hydro blast, red elemental blast, your.

1107
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Offer you can't refuse right your mental misstep.

1108
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Those are I'm not gonna say those are ultimately cards,

1109
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:39.880
<v Speaker 1>but those are cards that you're gonna run into more

1110
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:42.920
<v Speaker 1>often because you're trying to stop a specific thing from happening.

1111
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 1>And I would argue that that's the difference between a

1112
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.440
<v Speaker 1>four and a five in this particular.

1113
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I would agree with all of that.

1114
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.400
<v Speaker 1>That's why my Marxist I would consider CDH, my necro Bloom,

1115
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 1>my Sliver Queen, I would consider not yeah, because they're

1116
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.480
<v Speaker 1>those decks are just raw power, try and win. As

1117
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Marxist was there, okay, he's they're gonna try and counter

1118
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:05.840
<v Speaker 1>spell me. They're gonna try and fuck with my man,

1119
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:07.119
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna do all this stuff.

1120
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Protect and my Animar and Bruvac are exactly the same.

1121
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.039
<v Speaker 2>It's counter spells to protect on curve or counterspell up.

1122
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 2>When I'm trying to cast or spend six man on

1123
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 2>a turn, I need free counter spells because it's the

1124
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:24.639
<v Speaker 2>only way I can cast a thing. And we go

1125
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 2>back to force a negation that we were talking about

1126
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.880
<v Speaker 2>yesterday on the pre show forced negation not even that

1127
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:33.360
<v Speaker 2>good in in my uh because I can't cast it

1128
00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.159
<v Speaker 2>for free on my own turn. That's a consideration that

1129
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I have to make. Do I play that card or not?

1130
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I do I do because it's good it stops my opponent.

1131
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.679
<v Speaker 2>But that's the kind of thing that you think about,

1132
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 2>or that's the kind of thing that is a meta consideration,

1133
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:55.519
<v Speaker 2>like Gavin's article Foxible. Yes, so, man, I wish I

1134
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:57.079
<v Speaker 2>wish we had another hour. I wish we had another

1135
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 2>whole week that we could talk about it.

1136
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:00.599
<v Speaker 1>We could do it next week, finish it off. We

1137
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 1>could talk about the actual list we talked about a

1138
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.280
<v Speaker 1>little on the pre show. Yep. Maybe we can actually

1139
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:06.000
<v Speaker 1>delve into some of the card choices. What we would

1140
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.679
<v Speaker 1>add it, we would take off. We can take some

1141
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:09.880
<v Speaker 1>of the nation's suggestions if you leave them down in

1142
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the comments.

1143
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I got another one too. We can talk about how

1144
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the Game Changers List acts as a buffer to get

1145
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.639
<v Speaker 2>banned or to get unbanned. We could talk about how

1146
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:24.559
<v Speaker 2>the Game Changers List affects card prices. That's some emptg Financial.

1147
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>You know how many cards spiked when they when when

1148
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Gavin said, we're looking at taking cards off the band

1149
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.559
<v Speaker 2>list and putting them on the game changer list. How

1150
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Speaker 2>many cards spiked?

1151
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1152
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Check check your fricking band cards in your binder and

1153
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 2>see if your dock side is like still deflated in value?

1154
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Good? All nine of them, all.

1155
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Nine of them great? And my one rings all nine

1156
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:45.199
<v Speaker 2>of them.

1157
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:47.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't have one of them.

1158
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 2>I got you too, well do the sign off, thank

1159
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:52.559
<v Speaker 2>the business Daddy's.

1160
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 1>We got to get out of here, all right, guys, please,

1161
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.159
<v Speaker 1>we do want to talk about your choices for the

1162
00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 1>what's what's the list called game changer list, So leave

1163
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.320
<v Speaker 1>them in the comments below, send them to us at

1164
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Commander Cookoad at gmail dot com, put them in the discord.

1165
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:05.920
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00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.320
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00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.559
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00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:13.639
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1169
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.199
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1170
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00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:56.159
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1186
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:01.039
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