WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.240 All right, welcome to the nonprofits. 2 00:00:02.359 --> 00:00:04.919 For our second story this week, we're going to look 3 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:08.199 on as America mourns the loss of its thirty ninth president. 4 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:10.919 Eli Slack, the man with the plan, give us the 5 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:12.080 loadown on this story. 6 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:16.879 As Jimmy Carter's memorial service brought five living presidents together 7 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:21.199 in a climate where bipartisan cooperation is increasingly rare, it 8 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:25.359 forces us to reflect on the humility, integrity, and selflessness 9 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:30.079 of Carter's presidency and life thereafter, compared to the egocentric, 10 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.159 selfish political climate we find ourselves today. From as humanitarian 11 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:37.560 work to his unassuming demeanor, Carter embodied a style of 12 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:42.000 political leadership that today feels increasingly distant. Let's discuss and 13 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:45.560 explore how his life and values challenge the current norms 14 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:49.280 of political spectacle and reflect on what public public service 15 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.079 should look like. This story is from AP News by 16 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.439 Chris Magerian on January ninth, twenty twenty five. 17 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.479 All Right, Eli, thank you for that introduction. There. 18 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:01.840 You're the youngest member on the panel tonight. What do 19 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.200 you know about the life of Jimmy Carter and his 20 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:07.840 presidency and how do you think that impacted young Americans? 21 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:08.599 Yeah. 22 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:10.920 Actually, so I didn't know anything about Jimmy Carter. 23 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.920 I was born under Bush Senior, so I had to 24 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:15.879 kind of learn about him. 25 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:16.959 But I did like he. 26 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:21.159 He apparently had the longest and most philanthropic post presidency 27 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:25.519 of any president before or since. You know, of course 28 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:28.079 the longest remained you know, still be well, we'll continue 29 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:29.359 to be contested. 30 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:33.560 But he, you know, he was a diplomatic champion of peace. 31 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.040 He founded the Carter Center, which focuses on human rights, 32 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:41.680 conflict resolution, and public health eradicating infectious diseases and mental health, 33 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.439 so like helping provide access to that. 34 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:45.239 He you know, they helped with. 35 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:50.159 Hurricane relief, and he he just kind of remained like 36 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:55.120 serving of the people that lived in his country for 37 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.959 as long as he could. Sounds like as far as 38 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.920 how far how he impacted other people, I honestly couldn't 39 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:03.439 say how he impacted because I wasn't conscious of of 40 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.680 these things he had done until now. So I'd have 41 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.000 to go back and kind of extrapolate, like, Okay, well 42 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:10.599 what you know stands now as a result of what 43 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.159 helped with But I mean, definitely no small amount I 44 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:14.599 would say. 45 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.520 Interesting, Well, you might say that in a way, there 46 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:20.919 wasn't really much impact. 47 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:22.199 I mean, if it didn't. 48 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:24.639 Register with you, I suppose there could be some things 49 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:26.599 happening that you're not aware. 50 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.639 Of and I just don't know the source yet, that's right. 51 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.960 And it's not like young Americans are ever oblivious to 52 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:33.319 things going on around them. 53 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:34.039 Or anything like that. 54 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:38.560 So you know, it doesn't happen right exactly, Chris, I 55 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:41.120 want to jump over to you here. So it seems 56 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.280 that Jimmy Carter was somewhat of an odd duck among 57 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:44.319 American presidents. 58 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:46.719 What sets him apart from the others. 59 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.000 One of the things I think that set Jimmy Carter 60 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:51.879 apart was that, you know, first of all, he was 61 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:54.759 a peanut farmer. He was more of a down to 62 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.800 earth person, I feel than most of the politicians still 63 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.199 the word politicians are, and at the time, back in 64 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.159 the day between his presidency and just before and then 65 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.360 since then, a lot almost all of the politicians are 66 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.240 businessmen or lawyers, some of this kind of from that 67 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:14.840 kind of demographic. And yet Jimmy Carter had this soil 68 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:16.719 of the earth, assault of the earth kind of way 69 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:21.159 about him. And he was one of my earliest memories 70 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.000 political memories from whenever I was a kid during the 71 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.319 election of nineteen eighty telling you how old I am. 72 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:33.319 Whenever Reagan beat Jimmy Carter for reelection, I believe that 73 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.800 was the yes. I was down playing with some friends 74 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:39.280 and whenever, though they're my friends, their parents found out 75 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.120 that my mom was for Ronald Reagan. They sent us home. 76 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:45.199 I wouldn't let it play with their kids anymore. That's 77 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.960 one of my first memories. But you know that in 78 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.000 my mind is a little kid. I'm like, Oh, Jimmy Carter, 79 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.199 you know, But throughout the entirety of his life, I've 80 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.680 seen him or my life, I've seen him just be 81 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:58.800 This is probably the best place to say this, but 82 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:03.520 an exemplary Christian, the idea of what a good a 83 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.840 good Christian working for the community, being a person. Him 84 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.439 and Dali parton, I think, or like the pinnacle of 85 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:12.879 what a Christian should be. If if every other Christian 86 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.080 followed them, we'd have such a better, better world. 87 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.319 True enough, and arguments here and arguments here. 88 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.639 I want to ask this of both of you here, 89 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.040 and so let's let's shift the focus a little bit 90 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:28.800 from from Jimmy Carter the man to to to the population, 91 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:30.639 to all of us, right, And so we see a 92 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:34.480 lot of people reacting to this news that he had 93 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.199 passed on. Right, there's a lot of people. There's a 94 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.680 lot of love and honor coming his way, but many 95 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.319 people viewed him as inept and even harmful to the country. 96 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.920 But despite those differences of opinion, we see that people 97 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.639 from both sides of the aisle are praising the man 98 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:56.120 after we passed. And that's actually really a very common phenomenon, right, 99 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:00.240 Usually when when people die then you know, ever, but hey, 100 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:01.680 all of a sudden loves them and all of a 101 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.000 sudden everything that they did. 102 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:04.959 You know, why do why do you guys think that 103 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:05.560 we do this? 104 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.519 Why why do we almost always forget the bad things 105 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.959 that somebody uh from somebody that has recently died, and 106 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.240 we remember and even enhance the good things. Let's start 107 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.000 with Eli first. Why do you think that what's what's 108 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.879 going on in our brain's there? And I understand that 109 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.120 none of us are experts here, but but we can conjecture. 110 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:26.800 Sure, I've read a little bit about this and and 111 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.480 you kind of do this is similar thing like at 112 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:33.759 the end of relationships, right, Like almost all relationships I 113 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:36.839 mean all relationships that end like okay, not all, but 114 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:41.800 like when when two people part ways at the one 115 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.000 person's choice, it's never because like everything was great and 116 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.040 you know, there was no problems and there was never 117 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.240 any bad times. If you look back, you will see 118 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:50.800 the bad times. 119 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.680 But for that person that you know, perhaps was surprised 120 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:55.480 or didn't choose, you know, was it didn't make the 121 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.639 choice of far ways, they're going to forget about those 122 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.199 things that you know they didn't quite you know, care 123 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:00.920 about so much. 124 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:02.839 And this is I mean, that's just sort of a 125 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:04.519 thing that we do in human relationships. 126 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.199 We just sort of have a tendency to see more 127 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:09.879 good in people, uh for. 128 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.519 In it not all the time, I guess. And I'm 129 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.519 kind of like backtracking the way. 130 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:15.959 I was gonna say. 131 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.319 I can remember some pretty bad relationships in my life. 132 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.639 Right, And it's sort of thing when we experience loss, 133 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:24.480 I guess is what it is when when when we 134 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.160 no longer have something, no longer have access to it, 135 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:28.720 we started to be like, wait, wait, hold on, how 136 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:30.600 does this effect like how is this gonna like. 137 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:31.759 What's going to be different now? 138 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:33.240 And then maybe that's more of what it is, like 139 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.079 things are going to be different now, like it won't 140 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:37.519 have this positive better I won't have this good benefit, you. 141 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.680 Know, And it's it's more or less extreme to some 142 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.319 degree for different people, I think in cases like this, 143 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.079 Like for me, I heard like Jimmy Carry, I was like, oh, 144 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:46.879 that was like one. 145 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.439 Of the presidents, right, yeah, that's how old was he? Like, 146 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:51.759 you know, that's sad, but it sounds like it was time. 147 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:54.079 You know, it was pretty pretty old. So it's you know, 148 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.120 but for some people, like it's it hits. 149 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:59.319 A lot more heavily, So it's it's far be it 150 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.560 for me to yet, Like you said, we're not experts. 151 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:03.879 I'm just kind of conjecturing. 152 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.560 Here, right right, right, Well, one hundred years is pretty 153 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:06.720 pretty good run, I think. 154 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:08.439 And then yeah, good on them. 155 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.600 Yeah, maybe it was a swing in the hammer all 156 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.639 those years or something, you know, it kept them, kept 157 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:16.240 them youthful and invigorated. 158 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:20.040 Maybe that's it. Maybe that all right? 159 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:26.240 Well, the new Eli Slack Peanut Diet coming out next week, Chris, 160 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:27.000 what are your thoughts on that? 161 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:27.800 White Why do you think? 162 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.279 I mean, from what I'm gathering from what Eli was saying, 163 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.000 is that maybe this is some kind of defense mechanism 164 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.879 or something like that. I mean, does why do you 165 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:40.959 think people are all of a sudden all rosy and peaches? 166 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:42.680 Is that a phrase? Rosy and peaches? 167 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.240 After somebody passes on and they and they have a 168 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.120 tendency to forget about the bad stuff, you. 169 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.759 Know that they're to be honest. There's a couple of 170 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:54.279 things that I think about it. One of them is 171 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.519 that it could be actually a reflection on us. It's 172 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.319 less about that we want to make It's how we 173 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:02.839 would want to be treated when we passed. When I 174 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.399 pass I don't want you to remember the bad things 175 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.480 about me. I want you to remember the good things 176 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.399 that uphold them to me. I think that kind of 177 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.600 has from my perspective, That's how I kind of feel 178 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:17.120 about it. You know, whenever, whenever it happens, Mandeal, don't 179 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.000 sit there about think about that one time you caught 180 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.079 me on the camera and deep in my nose, talk 181 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.240 about all the times we did good things and had 182 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.199 you know, made good points and stuff like that. I 183 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.120 think he kind of has that. It's as sad as 184 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.279 it may seem. I feel it's a little bit of 185 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:34.360 a narcissistic, selfish thing that we apply this to other people, 186 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:38.080 even like the antagonist that Jimmy Carter had who didn't 187 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.720 care for him necessarily during his presidency, and yet now 188 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.200 are going, oh, he was a great man. I think 189 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.039 it's kind of the same way. Whenever they pass despite 190 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.919 however they engage with everyone else, they want people to 191 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.840 gather around and go, he was a good guy. 192 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.240 Oh. So, maybe it's a form of optimism. 193 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.360 Maybe it's a form of wishful thinking or hope for 194 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:03.759 the future or whatever. Oh okay, interesting, All right, Well 195 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:05.279 I want to shift gears here. I'm going to stay 196 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.559 with Chris on this question, but I want you to 197 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.440 think about this. So, despite the long standing tradition of 198 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:14.840 honoring deceased presidents by lowering flags on federal buildings to 199 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.879 have staff for thirty days, Okay, that's the tradition, there 200 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:20.279 are some that will be refusing to do so because 201 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.840 of the inauguration of the incoming regime falls within that 202 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:24.759 thirty day window. 203 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.759 So my question is this. 204 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:31.360 Just petty dick waving from either or both sides, or 205 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.639 is it a reasonable accommodation. If it's the former, is 206 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.200 it an indication that this is what American politics would 207 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:38.360 be like from here on out. 208 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:42.120 You know what, I think it's. I think it is petty. 209 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.559 I think it's I think the incoming administration should see 210 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.080 it as an honor. They should. They should lift up 211 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.279 everything they can about Jimmy Carter and embrace it all 212 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.159 and go, hey, there's a brother in arms has fallen 213 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:57.279 and I'm coming into office, and I'm honored to have 214 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:02.000 my inauguration flag flag staff. The part of the deal 215 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.000 is the narcissistem of this particular individual. It takes the 216 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.559 light away from him, right, and therefore, you know he 217 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:11.720 doesn't like it. One of the things he already didn't 218 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:13.720 like them. My understanding, he didn't like the notion of 219 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:18.120 a half flag half staff because of it. I don't know. 220 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:19.960 He already didn't liked it for some reason. I don't 221 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:23.360 remember what that particular reason was. Looks bad like injured 222 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.919 military people. He doesn't like them either, But I think 223 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:27.559 that kind of has some more to do with it. 224 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.159 He really should see it as an honor that he 225 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:34.360 is bringing. He is taking the mantle at the same time, 226 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:38.759 and should actually honor Jimmy Carter's legacy while he takes 227 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:42.279 his own, make creates his own legacy. I think it's 228 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:44.000 a missed opportunity. 229 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:45.440 As as a tip of the hat or even a 230 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.279 salute to the institution of the presidency. 231 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.080 Yeah, what do you think about that? Eli? Oh? Sorry finished, 232 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:51.759 Chris Well. 233 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:53.679 I was just gonna say yeah to the institution and 234 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:55.919 of course to the man. You know, now, even Donald Trump, 235 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:59.279 like you have been mentioning here, Donald Trump himself used 236 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:00.840 to speak poorly of him, and now all of a 237 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.320 sudden he's going to be be speaking well about him, 238 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:05.320 and he's going to do all this stuff same thing, 239 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:05.720 you know. 240 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:09.120 So, Eli, I want to put a slight little twist 241 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:12.000 on the on the on the question there. 242 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:15.519 So, do you think that this is being overplaced? 243 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.720 Do you think that this little schism or whatever you're 244 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:20.559 gonna call it, right, one group saying we want the 245 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.960 flags that have staff, the other group saying no way. 246 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:26.600 Do you think that that particular schism is being taken 247 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.679 advantage of for political advantage or do you think that 248 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:32.360 it's a legitimate squabble. 249 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:36.039 I think that every disagreement that ever takes place within 250 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:40.039 the halls of the federal government the United States is 251 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.360 always being taken advantage of as much as possible at 252 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:44.120 any given time. 253 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.399 I think, I mean, you'll you see it all. 254 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.159 The time when like there's like major news or major 255 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:53.759 media coverage over some like you know, catastrophic event, and 256 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.039 then you'll hear people talking about, like, hey, like in 257 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:58.440 the meantime, Congress did this thing, and it turns out 258 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.960 like you know, some new bill that has you know, 259 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.799 maybe not passed yet but has some significant change or something, 260 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.440 and like you start to consider like what things are 261 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:11.759 distractions and what aren't, and it's almost like the more 262 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.080 they can you start to think about how things are 263 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.080 designed to sort of divide people that do have different beliefs, 264 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.559 Like they're not only designed to be like, hey, this 265 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.000 is why our belief is good. 266 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.320 It's like this is why. 267 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:28.080 Everybody who disagrees with you is like a horrid piece 268 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:30.240 of shit and you should you. 269 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.960 Know, like and like and why like bad things should 270 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.639 have it? Yeah, like I should, but like why bad 271 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:38.480 things are happening them. It's like it's it's the. 272 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:41.600 Things are kind of being designed to divide people rather 273 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.320 than just like educate them, like, hey. 274 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:44.159 There's these are our beliefs. 275 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.960 So that's just more like what they're kind of continuing 276 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:48.440 to do as long as they can like blow it 277 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.679 out of proportion and be like it's this this big 278 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:52.840 of a deal and these people are stopping it or 279 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.840 changing it. Then you know there's more division, more feel 280 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:57.440 for that fire. 281 00:12:57.639 --> 00:12:59.600 So do you think it's just the nature of the beast. 282 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:00.200 Then it's just. 283 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.840 Part of politics as usual and this is just the 284 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.840 next in line of the next thing that's being take 285 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.360 miss you know, misused and taken advantage of for political gain. 286 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.000 I wouldn't say part of politics in general, what I'd 287 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:17.039 say part of USA incorporated. Yes, Okay, I think it 288 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:18.279 kind of like just it. 289 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.360 It's the way things are now, and it's just kind 290 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.279 of becoming more and more apparent as as you know, 291 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:29.120 each each week, at each each like new episode of nonprofits. 292 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:32.559 Right, everything's a dog whistle, Right, everything is a dog 293 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.480 whistle in the political sphere. Everything it's it's just like, oh, 294 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.159 look at that, look at that, look at that. It's tiring. 295 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.159 I wonder what that says about us as citizens, about 296 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.639 about the targets of that of that show, right, or 297 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.759 the audience for that particular show. If if I mean 298 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.159 clearly that kind of thing works, I mean I mean 299 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.000 clearly it's effective otherwise it would. 300 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:57.159 Have been abandoned a long time ago. 301 00:13:57.879 --> 00:13:58.000 Uh. 302 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.960 Okay, well, you know, I guess we're seems like we're 303 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.320 kind of doomed to be on repeat of this kind 304 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:04.639 of thing. 305 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:06.799 And this is just and you know, we'll see what 306 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:07.679 happens next week. 307 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.919 I guess I wanted to ask about a particular passage 308 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:15.440 in the article that we read, and the passage says this, 309 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.200 all politics were not left outside the cathedral, though Biden, 310 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:22.759 who leaves office in eleven days, repeated several times that 311 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:27.519 character was Carter's chief attribute. Biden said Carter taught him quote, 312 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.080 everyone should be treated with dignity and respect. And so 313 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.600 what stood out to me with that quote was not 314 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.320 necessarily what was said. I mean, that was well within 315 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.320 the bounds of what we would expect to hear, you know, 316 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:40.039 in an event like this. 317 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.519 But what stood out to me was the. 318 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:51.120 Offhand, nonchalant way that they tied politics to everyone should 319 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.440 be treated with dignity and respect. That they made that 320 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.960 into a political position. They tied it to, you know, 321 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:02.559 one side or the other. And and is that association fair? 322 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:03.559 Is that fair? 323 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.559 And if so, what does that say about politics in America? 324 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:11.279 If we're taking, you know, moral characteristics and assigning them 325 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:12.200 to one. 326 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.879 Political party or the other. Chris, do you have any 327 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:15.480 thoughts on that? 328 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.080 Well, you know, I kind of do. It does seem 329 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.080 based whenever you we look I don't want to use 330 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.840 the word objectively, but whenever you look at the methods 331 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:31.080 used by the political party that Biden is actually referencing, 332 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.440 you can kind of see where they're coming off. But 333 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:36.639 that's only I mean. Whenever we look back at the 334 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:40.399 history of American politics, there has been mudslinging since day one. 335 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:44.720 We think, I think sometimes we as Americans. Maybe it's 336 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.639 because of the way we learn about it in school. 337 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.720 We think about the founding fathers and the politicians leading 338 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.360 up to the eighteen hundreds and the nineteen hundreds as 339 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.080 some sort of noble, glorious things. But when you go 340 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.840 back and look at some of the things they did 341 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:03.519 during their own camps or during their own presidencies. I mean, Johnson, 342 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:05.759 when you've heard about Johnson, he will tell you about 343 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:07.679 his Johnson because he did, you know what I mean, 344 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:09.799 There was a lot and when down that you don't 345 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.080 really think about, you know, oh wow, Johnson was it? 346 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.320 Teddy Roosevelt like to wear women's clothes and swim naked 347 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.919 in the river behind the White House. People don't think 348 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.159 about things like that. There's this, you know, But but 349 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:25.320 nowadays we see our politicians in this stark Oh my goodness, 350 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.440 I can't believe they did that or they said that. 351 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:30.960 I think it kind of we forget those things. So yeah, 352 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.759 I kind of feel because of my political bents, why 353 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.639 Biden would say that. But really it's really just the 354 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:42.240 one more touchet in a fencing match that has been 355 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.600 going back for two hundred and fifty years. 356 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:48.200 Right, right, Well, I suppose as atheists were used to 357 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.919 being slandered and were used to being associated with these 358 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:57.240 negative characteristics. Eli, do you see any comparison there between 359 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.600 what's happening and I mean, is this just a different 360 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.039 flavor of the type of discrimination that atheists and of 361 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:07.680 course other minority groups experience, or is this is this 362 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:13.920 intended either consciously or unconsciously to exacerbate the divide between 363 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:14.839 us versus them? 364 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:16.240 I guess is what I'm asking. 365 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.119 I don't know if it is. If I would guess 366 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:22.400 that it's intended to I think it could. I would 367 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.839 agree that, you know, to associate the characteristic of like 368 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.000 treating people with dignity with one like particular political abiliation. 369 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:34.759 I guess I don't think that any any ideology, any 370 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:40.519 group is a monolith. There are you know, people who 371 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:45.200 have different stances on different topics for different reasons. So yeah, 372 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.000 you're going to find people on either side of any 373 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.240 given characteristic. 374 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.279 That do and don't treat people with respected So yeah, 375 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.680 if the implication is that you know, like unlike. 376 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.559 Some people around here, then I think that's an unfairy 377 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.400 I mean, you can say unlike some people, but like 378 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:03.960 to categorize those. 379 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.480 People as all one group I think would be a misstep, 380 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.119 and it would be. 381 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:10.200 So it's kind of a way of building yourself up 382 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.920 by pushing someone else down, even though the things that 383 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.720 you say are saying about the other kind of also 384 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.960 applies to your group as well, right, I mean, so 385 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.240 it's a human thing, not a Republican or a democrat thing, 386 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.440 or not as a religious or atheist thing. It's just 387 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.440 being human beings. That's what we do, and that this 388 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:32.359 is just one way of doing it. Okay, All right, Well, 389 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.960 I have the most important and most thought provoking question 390 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.680 of the evening, right is coming out right now here 391 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:40.920 it is, and we're going to start with Chris, what 392 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:44.640 is your favorite food that features peanuts as the main ingredients? 393 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:49.920 Oh? Okay, okay, I want to house a main ingredient. 394 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.240 See I've been lining this up even getting okay. 395 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.400 If you want to do it as a secondary. 396 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.480 Ingredient, that's okay, thank you, Scott. You don't need to 397 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:58.519 be super strict with that. 398 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:02.680 I was going to go with a banana split, battle 399 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.759 peanuts on top, cheese, some chili. 400 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.039 Wait, hold on, I was with you there for a second. 401 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.480