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<v Speaker 1>Day twenty four of the twilight Zone podcast, I'd vent Colander.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Christmas Eve, everyone, Zach, Merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, happy Christmas time every time.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time. Our friend Ben Kickem says, if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>sequel to any Twilight Zone episode in the original series,

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<v Speaker 1>which one would it be and how would it play out?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll hand over to you fast for this one, Zach.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's what I'm thinking. You know, Bill Muomi has

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<v Speaker 2>a daughter, right, so now you know obviously, had they

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<v Speaker 2>not made a sequel to It's a Good Life in

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<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and two show, that would have been

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<v Speaker 2>such an obvious answer. That's why that's such a slam

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<v Speaker 2>dunk episode, because it's such a brilliant one to make

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<v Speaker 2>a sequel out of. So hats off to them there,

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<v Speaker 2>say what you will about that two thousand and two series.

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<v Speaker 2>They nailed that. This was a hard one. I was

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<v Speaker 2>scrolling through episodes and I was like, hmmm, hmmm, because

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<v Speaker 2>you want to think, what can you even So many

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<v Speaker 2>of these are so I don't know, definitive or personal

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<v Speaker 2>or like, how can you even continue these? Even some

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<v Speaker 2>of the greatest episodes, like It's It's over like you

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<v Speaker 2>can't continue Willoughby, right, for example, let's go follow him

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<v Speaker 2>and Willoughby like, let us let that's not a story, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So what I came up with, and I think this

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<v Speaker 2>actually really works in like real world production too, if

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<v Speaker 2>they had wanted to do it just even a few

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, a kind of stopwatch Okay, okay, So at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the episode, the stopwatch breaks and the

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<v Speaker 2>world is frozen, right, So everything is frozen. He's frozen

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty or whenever that is. Richard Erdman is

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<v Speaker 2>the actor, right, and he's stuck in this world. And

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Erdman he lived to ninety three years old. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in a community. In the last few years of

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<v Speaker 2>the community, he was a recurring character Leonard. It was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a gag that he that he was just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a character that I'll do all these ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>things and anyway, so he was a very active actor

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<v Speaker 2>even in up until near the end of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>So you could have really done kind of done this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So you just I don't know when you

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<v Speaker 2>follow it up, right, but maybe it's just it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like this, what's what's weird? It's like it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of this comedy episode ish, but then it has like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the darkest endings of the whole show. And

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<v Speaker 2>uh so how do you do that? I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a kind of like a I AM

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<v Speaker 2>legend kind of set up, right, He's just wandering around

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<v Speaker 2>the world and X amount of years have passed and

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<v Speaker 2>everything's frozen, right, It's frozen in time.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've kind of still nineteen sixty, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So like that's that's kind of interesting, right, And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do cars work. I don't know. You can

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<v Speaker 2>explore what the mechanics of this actually is, right, like

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<v Speaker 2>how what has actually stopped that's like the first act

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, right, But then you have to what is

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<v Speaker 2>the story? What is it? Like he has to like

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<v Speaker 2>find somebody else at some point, who's who's also you

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<v Speaker 2>know in motion maybe that person has a device as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and you kind of go from there. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>where you go from there, but I just think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a world you can explore. The kind of creepy, but

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<v Speaker 2>it will be kind of interesting, be something to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of and you'd have to say something with the story too.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you say either. I have no

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<v Speaker 2>I have no narrative depth to this, just just the

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<v Speaker 2>setup of something that that would have been an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>status quo too to follow up on. And maybe, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>give this guy, I mean, not a happy ending because

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<v Speaker 2>he was stuck in this purgatory for decades, but at

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<v Speaker 2>least don't have him suck there forever, right, that'd be

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<v Speaker 2>nice because you know, yeah, he was annoying, but talk

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, we've talked about this on and off

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<v Speaker 2>on the Advent Calendar and other places. People that deserve

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<v Speaker 2>their face. I don't think this guy deserved this fate,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so you can you can kind of give

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<v Speaker 2>him a better ending and then revisit an interesting concept

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So that is what I came up with.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty great. Would you have heard the world start

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<v Speaker 1>up again at some point where it's still like the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties and he's now an old man?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's the only way to do it, really,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of like, Okay, you were annoying, so

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be old now, but you're not stuck

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<v Speaker 2>in this purgatory forever. So that's the half carmic justice,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. Because he was like stealing banks and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But still, just because you robbed a bank doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>to be stuck in furgatory forever. But that's kind of yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it would still be the sixties and he would just

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<v Speaker 2>be old, right, and interesting stuff would happen in there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's my pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty brilliant, man, that's pretty brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very proud of that, by the way, because

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking a long time about a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these questions, because these are some, by the way, great

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<v Speaker 2>questions this year everybody, so hats off to y'all. And

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<v Speaker 2>I got to this and I was like, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, so I spent you know, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>last one. I obviously it's the last day, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's the one that we answered last. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>really stuck for a while. But when I found that,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I unlocked it. And I'm proud of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike you say, the age of the ACTA to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Live till ninety three just feeds into the story paerfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, brilliant, brilliant. Okay, So I went a bit

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<v Speaker 1>deep on this one because it just sort of kept

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<v Speaker 1>running and running in my head. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>start with an open narration. I'm not going to do

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<v Speaker 1>a rod sailing impersonation because that's just not what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll start with this open narration and then let's

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<v Speaker 1>see where we go from there. So portrait of a

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<v Speaker 1>legend growing weary. You know him by many names, Saint Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Kringle, or simply Santa Claus. But once a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago, he was just Henry Corwin, a man who

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<v Speaker 1>found redemption in a bare lap sack. Mister Corwan has

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<v Speaker 1>spent sixty years delivering the impossible to the overlooked. But tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>on a globe spun dizzy by instant gratification and digital disconnect,

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Corwen faces a crisis that no amount of magic

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<v Speaker 1>can solve. He's about to discover that in a world

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<v Speaker 1>where you can order anything with a clique, the one

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<v Speaker 1>thing you can't buy is the one thing he's forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>how to give. Tonight, mister Corwin makes his rounds in

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<v Speaker 1>the Twilight Zone. Now, the problem with this is, I've

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<v Speaker 1>said it sixty years later, but you can't use our

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<v Speaker 1>Carnee anymore, and we don't want to be having any

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<v Speaker 1>ai or Carne's running about.

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<v Speaker 2>No blurry man or Carnie.

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<v Speaker 1>No. No, so we would have to recast. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess a way to do it would be to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get a really good actor in there and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make him a bit more Santa Clause he you know

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<v Speaker 1>that over the years, he's sort of filled out a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something like that. Yeah, I don't know. The

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<v Speaker 1>premise of this is, like we saw back in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>the sac gave people the presence that they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>were quite fitting. It either kept them warm or it

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<v Speaker 1>was just a nice little thing for them because they

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<v Speaker 1>want we're a lot less than than ours are. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem that he is having now is when he

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<v Speaker 1>tries to give like a present to a teenager, the

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<v Speaker 1>Sack will give them what they actually need, but they

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<v Speaker 1>won't necessarily want it. So for the teenager who's glued

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<v Speaker 1>to his smartphone, the Sack would give them like a

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<v Speaker 1>pencil and some paper, you know, to draw to settle

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<v Speaker 1>their mind down from being on their phone twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day, But they don't want that. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>all starting to go a little bit wrong, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And he's starting to become a bit weary because the

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<v Speaker 1>Sack is getting heavier and heavier. Are you with me

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<v Speaker 1>so far?

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<v Speaker 2>No, this makes a lot of sense. And as you've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking, I haven't paying attention, no worry, But as

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<v Speaker 2>you've been talking, I looked it up. Art Carney had

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<v Speaker 2>a son named Brian Carney who is currently seventy nine

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<v Speaker 2>years old and is an actor in a comedian and

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<v Speaker 2>he has recently appeared in The Good Wife, for example.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we just found out Santa Claus.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the premise. You know, his his giving

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<v Speaker 1>just isn't having the same effect anymore because the world

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<v Speaker 1>has changed around him, but the sack still gives people

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<v Speaker 1>what it thinks they need. At that point, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this bit might be a bit hokey, but on his

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<v Speaker 1>travels he meets like a tech bro who's set up

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<v Speaker 1>like a drone present delivery service based on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the algorithm from your phones, so you know, because of

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<v Speaker 1>what you look at depends what you get on Christmas Day,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know it's been the algorithm is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>choosing what you get and it's always what you want,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So he's got that to compete against. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we play this bit of the story for

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<v Speaker 1>a while where we're seeing how downhearted he's getting with

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, but in the end, he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of done, and he stumbles into a park

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<v Speaker 1>and he's even contemplating buying a bottle of booze again.

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<v Speaker 1>But he sits next to a little girl on a bench.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she's not like a poverty stricken girl or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. She's well dressed, but she's holding a smartphone

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<v Speaker 1>and she's kind of looking at it with a blank,

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<v Speaker 1>lonely expression on her face. And then a little further

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<v Speaker 1>down the path we see that her parents are both

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there blankly looking at their phone screens as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the little girl kind of looks up at Henry

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<v Speaker 1>Cowen and has that kind of reaction of hold on

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, is that Santa Claus? You know? And Corwen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he notices her, but he's he's going through

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<v Speaker 1>his own things, and he just starts to talk and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, you know, she used to mean something and

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<v Speaker 1>so on, and they get into a little conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, what are you talking about, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of starts to tell her the story of

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<v Speaker 1>how he became Santa Claus. We could have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of flashbacks in there. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, And as

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<v Speaker 1>he's telling the story, she starts to become more animated,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he starts to become more animated because he's

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<v Speaker 1>remembering what all this was about. And you know, by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it, they're both a lot happier. And

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of points the present sack towards her for

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<v Speaker 1>her to put her hand in and take something out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we just see her hand go in and

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<v Speaker 1>when her hand comes out, there's nothing in it, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's just kind of beside himself. Now he's

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<v Speaker 1>devastated that the magic sack seems to be gone. But

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<v Speaker 1>the camera just zooms in slightly and we see that

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't pull anything out of the sack, but she

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<v Speaker 1>actually puts something in it. She put her cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>into it. Now she's looking up at him with all

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<v Speaker 1>the wonder that a child should have when they see

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Claus, even in this kind of wounded state. He

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<v Speaker 1>They had a meaningful interaction with each other, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>emotional needs of people. Now, you could go quite big

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<v Speaker 1>And you could either play it small where her parents

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have an actual theme and narrative like to yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine was just a cool idea. I love this. This

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<v Speaker 2>is great and to the spirit of Christmas. On Christmas,

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<v Speaker 2>Eve's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, So Corwen goes back to the sleigh and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty the meek needed things like coats and food,

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<v Speaker 1>in a you know, the spirit of humanity sense. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not his job to just be handing out stuff anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to be a connector, a connector of people if

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<v Speaker 1>to Montage again and you know that teen who threw

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. You can you can do as much or

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<v Speaker 1>end we get our clothes in narration, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>a Christmas wish from Henry Corwen that the most precious

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<v Speaker 1>ones wrapped in time. In a world of infinite inventory,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Corwen found that the only thing truly worth giving

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<v Speaker 1>is a piece of oneself, a simple transaction available to all,

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<v Speaker 1>found exclusively in the Twilight Zone. And there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my sequel to my Twilight Zone episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well done, man. You know you spend enough time

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<v Speaker 2>the Twilight alone. You start turning into talking about him,

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<v Speaker 2>turning to Santa Claus. You're turning into rots earlier here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fantastic stuff. People are gonna want you to

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<v Speaker 2>write this whole episode out time. I hope you know that.

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<v Speaker 2>So another Patreon exclusive everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go, there you go. Well, Zach, not

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<v Speaker 1>to be cheesy or anything, but I think you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have really benefited from the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we do in terms of podcasting and so on, and

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<v Speaker 1>the friends we've made. And it's another year that we've

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<v Speaker 1>been friends because of our podcasting, which those are godess

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<v Speaker 1>together and it's been great. So thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for spending this time with me on Christmas Eve.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you know, you start these things because you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be part of something you love, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>build a community and you connect to others, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just talk about the connection there, right, I mean, all

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<v Speaker 2>these connections we've made. It's we enjoy the material obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why we do what we do, but we also

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy the people that enjoy with us, right, because what's

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<v Speaker 2>the point of enjoying the stuff? And yeah, of course

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<v Speaker 2>you can enjoy this stuff just locked by yourself watching

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<v Speaker 2>something right there. You know, you want to decompress after

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<v Speaker 2>a long day and watch your favorite show and movie

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, right, But when you can there's a different

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<v Speaker 2>gear of your fandom when you can engage in it

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<v Speaker 2>with with like minded and fellow fans. And podcasts like

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<v Speaker 2>yours have helped bring people together and it's been great

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thankful for our friendship and I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to going to more surrounding fests and doing more advent

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<v Speaker 2>calendars and whatever the future brings.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely well, thank you for joining me on this

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<v Speaker 1>one again, and have a great Christmas, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good.

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<v Speaker 1>Night, and we will see you soon. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>when it's gonna be, but it'll be soon here on

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<v Speaker 1>the Twilight Zone podcast. Merry Christmas everyone,