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<v Speaker 1>Joining me now.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a familiar person to people who listened to

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<v Speaker 2>this show. Heidi Ganal ran for governor and now she

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<v Speaker 2>is not letting up. She is out there, sounded the

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<v Speaker 2>alarm about some potential issues in our voting system, and

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<v Speaker 2>had a presser last week to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon, Heidi Ganal.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you hi, miss Manny. I'm doing great. How

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<v Speaker 3>about you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Heidi, I know you a little bit now,

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<v Speaker 2>as they say, And one of the things that impresses

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<v Speaker 2>me about you is that you ran a very tough

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<v Speaker 2>governor's race. You did not succeed, but it has not

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<v Speaker 2>stopped your passion for making sure that Coloraden's have a

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<v Speaker 2>government that they can trust and that they can be

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<v Speaker 2>proud of. And you've just pretty much not stopped since

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<v Speaker 2>your race in continuing to find ways to make Colorado better.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just appreciate that about you very very much,

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people would have just taken their

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<v Speaker 2>marbles and gone home.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I wanted to for a little bit, believe me, Mandy,

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<v Speaker 3>but I care so much about this state and I

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<v Speaker 3>want my kids to stay here, my grandkids to stay here.

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<v Speaker 3>So after I learned so much about how the sausage

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<v Speaker 3>is made. I think that's one of the biggest disservices

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<v Speaker 3>candidates can make to their voters is to just walk

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<v Speaker 3>away and not share what they learned, what they would

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<v Speaker 3>do differently, how we can make things better.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did your what was your press conference about

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<v Speaker 2>last week? Let's just jump in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so my press conference was about some findings we

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<v Speaker 3>made in I would call it an audit of the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two election regarding Douglas County. And it wasn't really

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<v Speaker 3>about my race. It was more about Kurt Huffman's race,

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<v Speaker 3>who ran for House District forty three and lost. It's

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<v Speaker 3>in Highlands Ranch and he lost in a Republican plus

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<v Speaker 3>ten district in Douglas County, and Kurt raide a really

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<v Speaker 3>good race. He was incumbent, and the final numbers just

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<v Speaker 3>didn't make a lot of sense that we were looking

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<v Speaker 3>at that Kurt and I were talking about it. My

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<v Speaker 3>numbers were even a little weird. So we said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just ask for a recount. That's our right, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's every citizen's right. And we did that right after

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<v Speaker 3>the election, and the whole process was crazy. They just

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<v Speaker 3>blocked us at every turn, wouldn't let us do what

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<v Speaker 3>we were You know, our rights constitutionally are to do

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<v Speaker 3>and get access to see things that we should have

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<v Speaker 3>been able to see. So that prompted me to hire

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<v Speaker 3>an attorney to dig in a bit and say, why

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<v Speaker 3>are they blocking us? Why don't they want us to

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<v Speaker 3>see things? And it took us about sixteen months to

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<v Speaker 3>actually make any progress, but we did make progress. And

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say Jerry Davis, the clerk in Douglas County,

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<v Speaker 3>has been wonderful to work with, very accommodating. So is

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<v Speaker 3>her staff. I think this goes bigger to Jennick Griswold

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<v Speaker 3>and the Secretary of State's office. And so it took

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<v Speaker 3>two years to do this analysis and we got the

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<v Speaker 3>results through the beginning of the results a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago, so we wanted to share it with the public.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you guys discover?

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<v Speaker 2>And to be clear, Heidi, this is not about past elections, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>This is just concerns that you guys have about our

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<v Speaker 2>elections going forward. To be clear about that, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting snotty, like, you know, oh, she's an election tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not about any pass election, really, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean what you know? Yeah, So go ahead and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about what you guys found.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Mandy, this is about restoring trust for the people

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<v Speaker 3>that don't trust our elections and don't want to vote

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<v Speaker 3>because of it, and that's a travesty. So I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>what can we do to restore trust? Well, I always

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<v Speaker 3>believe sunshine is the best cure for that. So one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things that we discovered, which we weren't really

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<v Speaker 3>looking for, was that the machines the voting systems actually

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<v Speaker 3>do have remote Wi Fi access and can connect to

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet. And I'm not saying anything happened, but the

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<v Speaker 3>potential for bad actors to do something is there. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is what really kicks me off me and he

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<v Speaker 3>is that many of our public officials have been misleading

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<v Speaker 3>I would venture to say lying in the case of

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<v Speaker 3>Jenna Griswold, because she knows everything that goes on in

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<v Speaker 3>our elections, and it really upsets me that they just

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<v Speaker 3>aren't honest and talking about security and state when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to the voting systems. And I'd love to read

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<v Speaker 3>you a quote from Jenni Griswold if it would help

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<v Speaker 3>put things in perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this number fifteenth, twenty twenty, she's talking to

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<v Speaker 3>the Legislative Audit Committee and they're having a hearing on

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<v Speaker 3>election integrity and genesis. Voting systems are never connected to

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<v Speaker 3>and cannot be accessed through the Internet because Wi Fi

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<v Speaker 3>and Bluetooth capability are stripped from the unit before use,

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<v Speaker 3>and all other connective technology is disabled by the trusted.

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<v Speaker 2>Build Okay, So essentially they're not connected to the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>And what did you guys find?

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<v Speaker 3>We found that through the purchase orders and through verifying

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<v Speaker 3>it with Douglas County clerks. The voting systems used there,

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<v Speaker 3>how are have Wi Fi remote access cards within them

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<v Speaker 3>that can be activated or de activated. But it's very

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<v Speaker 3>complicated to do that and connect to the Internet remotely.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the possibility exists, though we have no we're not

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<v Speaker 2>saying that it is uh is happening, correct, right, Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So what needs to happen to give you and therefore

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<v Speaker 2>others more confidence that these machines cannot be hacked, because that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What this is all about. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We've now had several hackers demonstrate with certain machines and

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<v Speaker 2>other places how easy it is to hack into the system.

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<v Speaker 2>We have not had that demonstration here in Colorado, but

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility could exist, is that what we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying absolutely, and we've been working with some really sophisticated

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<v Speaker 3>smart people to figure out if this is accurate, if

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<v Speaker 3>this is if it's if it's actually a possibility, if

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<v Speaker 3>this happened, it's very possible. And so what needs to

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<v Speaker 3>happen is they need to take the cards out of

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<v Speaker 3>the machines. It's not real complicated. And Douglas County said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we can't do that. The Secretary of State has to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to you about that. So we tried to set

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<v Speaker 3>up a meeting and of course they didn't respond.

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<v Speaker 2>So nobody I mean thing, it's such a small thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's an insignificant thing that sounds like it would

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<v Speaker 2>be really easy to take care of, and you just

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<v Speaker 2>can't get any traction and even saying we should take

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<v Speaker 2>care of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Right anany What this comes down to is restoring trust

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<v Speaker 3>with the voters. So Riswald misled the public, So fix it.

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<v Speaker 3>So make sure that there aren't these cards in any

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<v Speaker 3>of our voting systems. And we only looked at Douglas County.

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<v Speaker 3>We did not look at other counties, but it's very

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<v Speaker 3>likely or possible that they are in the other voting systems,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would encourage everybody to ask your county clerks

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<v Speaker 3>that question, or your county commissioner is that question, But

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<v Speaker 3>it's the possibility, it's the rebuilding of trust. It's how

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<v Speaker 3>we get people back on board with our elections and

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<v Speaker 3>believing that they're the gold standard and not just gold.

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<v Speaker 2>So the thing that gets me about this, and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I think nothing is going to happen here, Heidi,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Democrats, they're like, there's nothing wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>the election system. It's fine, there's nothing to see. So

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<v Speaker 2>the only people that are like, yeah, we should probably

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<v Speaker 2>make this secure seem to be from the right. And

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately in Colorado, the people on the right just don't

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<v Speaker 2>matter very much to the Secretary of State.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and I'm going to get called all kinds of names.

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<v Speaker 3>I already am on Twitter. And a really frustrating thing

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<v Speaker 3>that happened around the press conferences. We had nine Knews there,

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<v Speaker 3>we had color of Public Radio, we had Fox thirty one.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a contract writer I believe from the Denver Post,

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<v Speaker 3>and not one of them covered the story. They were

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<v Speaker 3>all there. They stayed for the entire conference, and none

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<v Speaker 3>of them put a peep out about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, people on the right don't matter in

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<v Speaker 2>this state. And I mean, am I wrong? Because if

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of people in this state who

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<v Speaker 2>are concerned about election integrity, not because there's some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of election denier, but they just want to know that

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<v Speaker 2>their vote is not going to be canceled out by

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<v Speaker 2>someone who is either dead. By the way, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a story on the blog today about the new Jennia

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<v Speaker 2>Griswold loss. She is now being forced to demonstrate that

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<v Speaker 2>dead people or not registered to vote in Colorado. This

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<v Speaker 2>should be such a nothing burger that it should have

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<v Speaker 2>already been.

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<v Speaker 1>Done, But she fought it.

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<v Speaker 2>She fought just making sure that we don't have thirty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dead people on our voter rolls right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that should indicate to me that this woman shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be in charge. It should be in my view, Heidi,

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<v Speaker 2>if someone comes and says, we have a legitimate concern

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<v Speaker 2>that this is happening, and can you take care of it,

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<v Speaker 2>the answer should be yes. If this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>make people trust our system more, yes, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not asking for like crazy expensive stuff here.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and it's not even just Jenna. The clerks know

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<v Speaker 3>what they're ordering when they order these machines. And just

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<v Speaker 3>in September, Sarah McCaffey, who's the spokesperson for the Jeff

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<v Speaker 3>co Kenny Clerk's office, said, no counting machines in Colorado

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<v Speaker 3>are connected to the Internet. And also this is a

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<v Speaker 3>bipartisan thing. Wayne Williams has said the same thing back

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<v Speaker 3>in sixteen. He said, to start with, none of our

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<v Speaker 3>tabulation software and none of our tabulation machines are connected

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<v Speaker 3>to the Internet, so they cannot be hacked from the outside.

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<v Speaker 3>And finally, in June of this year, Bobby growth masa

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<v Speaker 3>County clerk, said, Mesa County ballot processing equipment is not

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<v Speaker 3>connected to the Internet in any way. And I say,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't know for sure in these other counties if

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<v Speaker 3>it is or not, but it sure is. The spect

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<v Speaker 3>of Douglas Counties is to check with the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the counties to make sure that they're not and these

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<v Speaker 3>people are being accurate and truthful when they're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>their voting systems.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so, Heidi, I'm glad. I wish that we were

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<v Speaker 2>not so polarized in this state. You know, there have

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<v Speaker 2>been a couple of things that have happened lately that

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<v Speaker 2>made me realize that if you're on the right in

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado and you have the nerve to sound the alarm

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<v Speaker 2>about anything, whether it is the takeover of apartment buildings

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<v Speaker 2>by a Venezuelan gang or the possibility of bad actors

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<v Speaker 2>interfering in our election, the only thing I could say is,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope, Heidi, and I can't believe I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>say this out loud. I hope that if some hardcore

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<v Speaker 2>right wing computer hackers listen this, wouldn't it be funny

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<v Speaker 2>if they hacked into the machines and all the Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>won in the state. You better bet that election integrity

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<v Speaker 2>would be at the top of the list for the

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of State.

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<v Speaker 3>After that, Oh, tuche manny touche. And there's a couple

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<v Speaker 3>other two key issues I can go over real quickly

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<v Speaker 3>that sure goods that are important if you have time.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure one is the post office. The post office gets

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<v Speaker 3>undeliverable ballots back and it is their responsibility to report

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<v Speaker 3>to the county Clerk's office how many there were, and

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<v Speaker 3>they actually get paid for those. So they sent an invoice.

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<v Speaker 3>A group that we work with, colorad and for an

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<v Speaker 3>Institute for Fair Elections, did an audit of the Post

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<v Speaker 3>Office invoices and most of them were incorrect. They did

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<v Speaker 3>eleven counties and significantly incorrect and could not it couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be explained. There were over twelve thousand ballots that were

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<v Speaker 3>just not accounted for. And so we've got to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that our accounting with the Post Office and the

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<v Speaker 3>County Clerk's office is accurate and that it meets at

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<v Speaker 3>least basic accounting stand which it doesn't right now. And

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<v Speaker 3>then the third thing is the drop boxes. The way

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<v Speaker 3>they monitor the drop boxes is silly. It's just plain silly.

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<v Speaker 3>They use low definition cameras that cannot be admissible in

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<v Speaker 3>court in most cases, and they point them in a

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<v Speaker 3>direction where you can't actually see anything, and they record

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<v Speaker 3>all this footage and they're supposed to be monitoring it

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<v Speaker 3>for bad things happening, and they don't typically look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what we'd like to do is encourage citizens.

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<v Speaker 3>And we fought the Secretary of State on this. We

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<v Speaker 3>almost took her to a federal lawsuit over First Amendment rights.

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<v Speaker 3>Citizens are allowed to observe those drop boxes, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>certain guidelines you should use. You should never intimidate voters,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's our right a citizens. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have more information about how people can do that to

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<v Speaker 3>protect our drop boxes and make sure there's no bad

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<v Speaker 3>actors dealings there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So there's a lot going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that I thought anything would happen, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just have no confidence in our politicized Secretary State's office.

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<v Speaker 2>People need to understand that Jennack Groswald has been such an.

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<v Speaker 1>Outlier for this position.

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<v Speaker 2>She has been an absolute partisan hack in the one department, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the one department where is critical for someone to at

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<v Speaker 2>least give the appearance of impartiality, but she has done

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<v Speaker 2>the exact opposite the entire time she's been in office.

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<v Speaker 2>She should have been bounced out, but the hatred for

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump was so big in this state and Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>in general that she didn't get bounced out when she

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<v Speaker 2>should have. So I'm glad that you're at least calling

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<v Speaker 2>attention to this stuff, Heidi. I just don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of confidence that anything will happen because we are

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<v Speaker 2>so thoroughly run by Democrats in this state, and they

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<v Speaker 2>just don't care what we think.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately. I think you're right, Manny, But I'm tenacious, you

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<v Speaker 3>know that. Yeah, they can call me names all they want.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to keep on it and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that this seeds the light of day and

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<v Speaker 3>that voters understand what's happening and we can do better

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<v Speaker 3>to protect our vote. That's all We're acting so that

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<v Speaker 3>we can restore trust in our vote here in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, HII and all.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for everything you do, and we will talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you again very soon.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great, man, all right,