Speaker 1: Frankly, I'm not too wild about this next event, but
it has become a tradition here at Adams, the Belching Contest.
Speaker 2: This is Mike Carmen and April Harmont. You're listening to
another Shirley you Can't Be Serious podcast with my buddy
Jason Colvin and de Graves. Jason, what is the worst
episode of the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast?
Speaker 3: Well, that would be hard to say, sir. They're each
outstanding in their way.
Speaker 2: Cut the horse hit Son. I've got the analytical files
right here. We had an episode that dropped a whole
truckload of phizzies in the varsity swim mate, an episode
that medical school cadavers went to the alumni dinner. Every
dad gum hallow, and this thing pops up and the
trees are filled with underwear, and every spring the toilets explode.
Speaker 3: You're talking about the best Super Bowl commercials of twenty
twenty one, so for.
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm talking about the best Super Bowl commercials
of twenty twenty one to TWERP. Hello everybody, and welcome
back to the Shurely you Can't Be Serious Podcast, where
even we get one wrong from time to time.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know you can't hit home runs all the time.
Speaker 2: We are back with a second part to our comparison
of National Lampoon, Animal House versus Revenge of the Nerd.
Speaker 4: Nerds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gonna be fun. I enjoy both of
these movies. They're funny, they're classics.
Speaker 2: I love it that our guys are Shirley fans who
we communicate with on Patreon and texting and all sorts
of things. As soon as this episode we're over, like, hey,
you guys miss this, and you forgot about that, and
there are some some things that you and guys, it's
a two part episode. We gotta leave some gas in
the tank to get home. Okay, right, good gracious So
two Patreon member deaf Dave, David Wright and Chris Webber
both pointed out that Bruce McGill the d Day from
Animal House was the sheriff in my cousin Vinnie, My
cousin Vinny. Great movie.
Speaker 3: We haven't covered that one yet.
Speaker 2: I shot the clerk. I shot the clerk. I shot
the clerk, is what he said.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bruce McGill.
Speaker 2: Bruce McGill, Yes, thank you, guys. We didn't know that
and then def Dave also pointed out that Bernie Casey,
in addition into being in spies like Us and Bill
and Ted's excellent adventure, was in I'm Going to Get
You Sucker, and def Dad pointed out that John Vernon
Dean Vernon Warmer also when I'm Going to Get You Sucker.
I haven't seen that movie, so I did not know that.
Speaker 4: Wow, you haven't seen it. I'm gonna get you Sucker.
Speaker 2: You've seen you've seen it? Sure?
Speaker 3: How much for one rib that's from that movie?
Speaker 5: So? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: Chris Rock early early Chris Rock.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, okay, if I may nerd out here for
just a second, please. There is an elementary particle that
is atum of the electromagnetic field, including electromagnetic radiation such
as light and radio waves, and is the force carrier
for the electromagnetic force. And the idea of this particle
was postulated by mattch Planck, who then that theory was
expounded upon by Albert Einstein, and then ultimately this particle
was given a name, and the name was a photon,
and the guy who gave it that name was a
physicist named Gilbert Lewis, which is where we get the
names for our two nerds in Revenge of Thing?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: There you go?
Speaker 3: That is a great story, man. I liked your nerd voice.
Speaker 2: To thank you, okay. And last week, you know, throwing
some credit to another Patreon member, James Buckley counselor the
vyou Bears, Yeah, exactly, the Cajun counselor when we discussed
the plethora of crimes which are committed within Revenge of
the Nerds, not mentioning any from Animal House, which is
also copious. But so, there's a rather infamous scene in
Revenge of the Nerds where our hero, hero of the movie, yeah,
hero of the movie, if you will, dons the mask
of the villain of the movie in order to gain
carnal knowledge of the villain's girlfriend, who has been a
total bee to him the whole time. Right, but Betty
Child's Betty Child's and they go to the fun house
and he says he wants to leave the mask on,
and it's kind of they try to tame it a
little bit by being like, this wonderful experience for her
and it causes her change over and all of this
other stuff. Right, But what we have is a case
of rape by deception.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I emailed James, I think you, I think
you and I both contacted him separately, independent of each other,
and I said, what is is the legality of that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Because he didn't force her, but he deceived her.
Speaker 2: Right, and so what is you know, what is he.
Speaker 4: Really guilty of?
Speaker 3: He sent me this case and it blew my doors off.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, the case is called Borow versus Superior Court.
Here's the facts of this case. Okay, Yeah, there was
Daniel Borrow who was the defendant who was charged with rape.
But the circumstances were that his quote unquote victim had
been fooled by him. He called her and posed as
a doctor, told her that she had a significant disease,
and he called himself doctor Stevens. So that's a little
bit iffy, but she didn't know any other doctor Stephens.
So that's what that's an important factor in this, okay.
And so as doctor Stevens, he says, you have this
rare condition and the only way to cure it is
a rather long and expensive and painful surgery, or you
can have sex with someone who has the antibodies for
this disease. Yes, and that will cure you as well.
And as it turns out, I am somebody who has
the antibodies for this disease. Just so happens, just coincidence.
I mean, plus, look at this.
Speaker 3: Plus he coerced her to pay him a thousand bucks
for the pleasure of banging her brains out.
Speaker 2: So this victim agrees to meet with him at a
hotel room. They do the deed, and then later on
I'm sure she's, hey, wait, he vaccinates her, he injects her,
he inoculates her. Yes, they do the deed, and then
I guess later on she's telling somebody about this, and
they're like, you gotta be kidding to really fall for this,
And so they try to pursue charges against this guy.
But what the court said is that fraud and the
inducement of sexual intercourse does not vitiate consent. And what
that means is just because I lied to you to
get you in bed, doesn't mean that your consent to
sex is not real consent, and so it's not rape.
Speaker 4: That is so shocking to me.
Speaker 2: It is a bit weird. But if you think how
many girls that you probably fledged the truth on a
little bit as you were trying to learn how to
unclasp their bra strap. Then you would see how any
any way that this becomes a crime puts people in
a lot of danger of going to jail. Specifically, I'm
thinking of the scene in Animal House when he goes
posing as Fitz. Yes, when he goes posing as fond
Lebowitz is, well, they were engaged to be engaged and
engaged to be engaged, you know, because he absolutely lies
to get her roommate into bed and it works. But
it's the same thing. Just because you're lying to get
sex doesn't make it rape.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's talk about some other scenes from the movie. Okay,
you know we talked about Doug Kenny. Doug Kenny is
the guy who started National Lampoon magazine, or it was
Harvard Lampoon then became National Lampoon. He has a couple
of lines in Animal House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the frat guys, just to kind
of in the background, very nerdy looking frat guy at.
Speaker 3: That his haircut is so weird in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the big glasses. But everybody, I mean,
his line is one of the most famous lines for
the movie.
Speaker 3: What the hell was supposed to do you moron.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Doug Kenny. God rest his soul. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then you know we've talked before, he fell tragically
to his death. Now whether or not that was suicide
or not.
Speaker 2: But it was. It was Harold Ramis. I believe that
said Doug fell while looking for a place to jump off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: He also takes over the band at the end of
the movie. You know they have that marching band when
all the chaos is about to break out and the
guy tosses his baton in the air and mid toss,
Doug Kenny shoves him out of the way, catch the
baton and leads the band.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the fun Lebowitz scene. Okay, it's super funny,
but again, it kind of relates to when Lewis impersonates Stan.
So you have Otter that goes to the Emily Dickinson College,
the all girls' school, right, and they know that this
girl has passed away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're looking at the newspaper article as they're driving
to the Emily Dickens what's.
Speaker 3: This girl's name again? Von Lebowitz, Yeah, and he's like,
I'll be right back, and so he goes inside and
he says, Hi, I'm here to pick up vun Leebowitz.
I'm her fiance, and of course everybody's like what. And
so they called down her roommate and I don't know
this girl's name, but boy, she is stunning.
Speaker 4: And she comes down and.
Speaker 3: She's like, I am so sorry to tell you this,
but Fawn passed away tragically. And she hands him a
newspaper and it's like sophomore killed in Kilne explosion. And
he's like, she was making me a pot and she's
trying to comfort him. Of course, Otter is working her
the whole way, and he's like, I just don't think
I should be alone to see evening, and so she
agrees to go out with him, and he says, oh,
by the way, grab three dates for my friends. Yeah,
And that's when they go to the Otis Day concert
right where they're the only white people in the entire
place and there's a record scratch and that whole thing.
So then Otter takes a girl's name is Shelley, takes
her to the car, starts working her over in the
back seat, and he's like.
Speaker 4: I used to touch fun this way.
Speaker 3: She's like, I know, she told me. He kind of
looks at her.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she did. Yeah, okay, yea, she was
rare to go, just like as she was.
Speaker 3: And then of course everybody gets kicked out of the club,
and then she's half naked when they all jump in
the car and they're crashing the car around the parking lot.
Speaker 4: Funny, funny scene.
Speaker 3: That scene, Chris Miller said absolute truth actually happened in
real life.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, all of it.
Speaker 4: That's what he said.
Speaker 2: Wow, can we dance with your women?
Speaker 3: Do you mind if we dance with your dads?
Speaker 6: Do you mind if we dance with your dates?
Speaker 7: Well, no, not at all.
Speaker 3: My Chris Bauer Patreon member Chris Bauer aka Bomber my
buddy in high school, he would come up out of
nowhere while you're in math class or whatever, and you'd
come up behind you and he'd be like.
Speaker 4: Do you mind if we dance with you?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 3: I want to talk about a certain scene when they're
all visiting Dean Warmer's office. He's going through the grade
point averages. You know, you're like a zero point one
and you're a zero point two. You know, you're the
best one at a one point two, and basically he's
telling them they're kicked out, and he's looking at Flounder,
and Flounder's getting more and more upset, and you could
tell he's.
Speaker 2: Trying and stupid. There's no way to go through life sod.
Speaker 3: And so he's trying to say something and Warmer's like,
out with it, what is it?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Speak and it's obviously he bars all over the place.
They had to cut that because that was too much
for the viewing audiences of nineteen seventy eight. They actually
pointed out that just a few years later and stand
by me, there's a giant vomiting scene.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just sitting here thinking, hadn't The Exorcist
start to come out at this point?
Speaker 4: I guess?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: Was it seventy nine? When did the Exorcist cheme?
Speaker 4: Seventy three?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so five years earlier. You got a girl spitting
pea soup as her head spins around. But one drunk
frat boy vomiting is too much.
Speaker 3: They would not show that scene. They wouldn't show the barfing.
Speaker 4: Weird Okay, I definitely want to talk about.
Speaker 3: The end scene when the Deltas finally get back at
everybody by taking over and like terrorizing this town. Parade, right,
they cause all this commotion. All these floats are are crashing,
and there's a little boy in his bedroom looking at
a playboy. And when they crash, like it launches a
half naked woman into his room and he's looking at
the playboy. She lands on his bed. He's like, thank
you God. On the float for the Deltas and on
the side of it, like in tissue paper, it says
eat me. And then you've got Kevin Bacon who's standing there.
He's trying to keep everybody calm, and he's like, all
is good, All is good. And this is the only
part of the whole movie where I think the realism
goes right out the window. They trample over him and
then he looks like a cartoon. He's like flattened on
the sidewalk.
Speaker 2: The dead horse wasn't cartoony?
Speaker 4: The dead horse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually, I want to talk about that scene as well.
So you know, they're at the University of Oregon. The
dean of the college has allowed them access to his office,
and so they drag that horse that's his actual office,
the guy that agreed to let them shoot, and all
that stuff. So they're like, well, I guess it's okay.
So they drag that horse in there, and that's his
real office.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: And then of.
Speaker 3: Course they're terrorizing Flounder, trying to get him. They want
him to think he's killing the horse, but they gave
him blanks.
Speaker 4: He fired it up in the air. Of course, the
horse has a heart attack and dies. Funny.
Speaker 2: That's good comedy, right there.
Speaker 4: That's funny.
Speaker 3: All right, let's flip over to Revenge of the Nerds
and talk about a few funny scenes there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Takashi, what do you got? Well, I think
I have a frush? Is a frush?
Speaker 2: So, as I was watching this movie, it's been nearly
forty years since I've seen the movie, you know, right.
I saw it early on when it had been released
on VHS, when I could sneak it by my parents
because I wasn't allowed to watch rated our movies. But
it's been a long time, and when I was watching it,
for the first good half hour of the movie, I
was just like, oh, this is just not even kind
of mildly funny. It's just okay. But it was a
slow build. It was a slow built but the movie
takes off at the party scene when they invite the
moves over right, that is where it takes off. And
I think that's due. I mean, number one, the comedy
starts because they you have the Lamb to Lamb de Lambda,
you n Bernie Casey guy there and his little you know,
helper who's laughing things up. And then they pull out
the joints, the wonder joints, and they and then they
put on the music, and I couldn't believe this. I'm
listening to Thriller, like the original Michael Jackson Thriller music
for at least three minutes. Sure, I mean it's crazy.
See how long they play this as just music that
they're all just dancing to. And the dancing is hysterical,
and the girls coming onto the guys and the guys
coming onder the girls. It's all fantastic. But it just
takes off at that moment, and I was just like, wow,
how did they manage I mean, this tiny budget little movie,
how did they manage to get the rights to Thriller? Well?
Crap that that was just the beginning, right.
Speaker 3: They played Burning Down the House by the Talking Heads.
Speaker 2: Which was huge in nineteen eighty four. It was, and
then they played a throwback to the seventies but still
a fantastic song, We are the Champions like Queen.
Speaker 4: It was mind blowing.
Speaker 2: I mean, key moments in the movie and they get
full so I don't I couldn't believe that they had
access to all of this incredible music.
Speaker 3: The budget of this movie is six million dollars. Yeah,
you can't get thriller today for six million dollars.
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how they did. I think maybe
it just wasn't a big deal to play, so.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, nineteen eighty four playing Michael Jackson, that seems
like a pretty big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big deal. They had to have I
don't know. They had to have had the inside track somehow.
I don't know how they did it, but it was
I was impressed.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's when it really takes off. The scene
that I always thought was hilarious is when they get
the liquid heat and they put it all over the
jockstraps for the football team, right right right. I think
you even said this is a use of a chemical weapon. Yes,
And they're all standing there and as a kid I
was watching this, I'm thinking, this is the funniest thing
I've ever seen. They're standing there and they start to
kind of fidget, yeah, and the coach is speaking talking
to him, giving him pep talk, and they start to
fidget more and more and more, and then they started
throwing the cups on it, and then they take off running.
Speaker 2: He's like, just go get them, and they all take
off to the locker room and and he's like, we
forgot to practice.
Speaker 3: Improvd line by John Goodman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, I hope I don't get too
graphic on this. When I was a little kid, just
to talk about the chemical burn thing. Yeah, it's it's
unsettling how uncomfortable that can be. But I remember going
to a fununction with my mother and they had some
salsa on the table that included some jalapenos, and I
guess I had picked one of the jalapenos up. And
then I'm a kid of like five or six years old, right,
and then I went and you know, went to the
bathroom and it came back and then like I'm like
it was it was exactly like the movie where it's
like you're like thinking about it, you know, You're like,
what's going on and you're like you kind of you
move to one side, and then you moved to the
other side, and then it's like, I can't just reach
down there and grab I gotta what am I gonna? Oh?
This is getting worse. And finally my mother turns to
me and she's like, do we need to leave? And
I was like, yes, yes we do. She's like, oh,
okay and Schooville's I was like, I don't know what happened,
and she was like, you held the jalapeno bro Yeah,
of course it bro because that was nineteen three. But whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about the carnival of events where they
have to try and win the fraternity.
Speaker 2: Prize, the contest.
Speaker 3: The contest, right, so they do they do some funny
things like they have the beer tricycle race.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: We talked about how the guy who played Takashi really
was drinking actual beers and so he was actually hammered
from doing those tricycle races, right, which was hilarious.
Speaker 2: Not to mention this absurdity was endorsed by the university there.
Speaker 3: The coaches up there is like, at which point everyone's
gonna chug a beer? Then they have the bull riding,
they have the tug of war, they have arm wrestling.
Speaker 4: Then they have the belching contest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get a kind of a half hearted
effort from Ogre right, and then you have the booger belch.
Speaker 1: Frankly, I'm not too wild about this next event, but
it has become a tradition here at Adams. The belching contest.
Speaker 2: Now, there's a rumor that some say is untrue, but
in my estimation I like to believe the urban legend
if it is one on where they get this burp sound?
Do you know this story? No?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean part of it is actually a
man burping, but if you listen, it extends out some distance.
And apparently what they used was a sound clip from
a National geographic where there was one camel copulating with
another camel. And so this is the this is the
sound of camel marital bliss if you will. That makes
the sound for this extended burn.
Speaker 4: That's funny, that's funny.
Speaker 3: And then you have the javelin throw.
Speaker 2: Wait, do you see Lamar's throw?
Speaker 5: How cong worms is a mastered aerodynamics and he designed
the javelin to go along with Lamar's limpriested throwing style.
Speaker 2: Where we see Stan knows what he's doing and they've
aerodynamically designed the javelin for or Lamar's we limp risted
to throw his limp risted through is not PC anymore.
Boys and Girls forty years makes a lot of differences.
Speaker 4: Just tell you that's funny.
Speaker 2: By the way, that actor had to go and play
some of the manliest parts after this, just to establish
that he.
Speaker 4: Wasn't over correcting.
Speaker 2: Huh, yes, that he wasn't limp wristed, so to speak.
Speaker 3: There's another funny scene where worms are I thought, so,
Worms is the little kid, like the brainiac little kid
who's like in college at age twelve, and I saw
an interview where the members of the crew and the
director supposedly watched out for him and made sure that
this twelve year old didn't get into any trouble. They
didn't want him exposed to any kind of unnecessary sexual stuff.
Speaker 4: Or alcohol and drugs or whatever.
Speaker 3: Right, But there is one really funny scene where he's
having a conversation between two giant sets of boobs.
Speaker 4: He's talking to.
Speaker 3: One set of boobs and then he turns and he talks
to another set of boobs and he gives this great
cheesy smile.
Speaker 2: Is really funny, breaks the fourth wall and let you
in on the joke. Yes, he does a great job
with that. Yeah, so he was. He was a part
of the scene where they go into the sorority house
and are planting all the cameras, right right, Well, it
turns out that sorority house that they use was actually
a rat infested, dilapidated, abandoned apartment. They all they did
was take one hallway, repaint that hallway, and that's that's
what they used for that scene as they're chasing them around,
panty rating if you will, the sorority Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay. So we talked a little bit about the music
in Revenge of the Nerds. Let's jump back. Let's talk
about some of the songs that we get in National
Lampoon Animal Houses. I mean, there are some freaking amazing
songs in this one, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Okay. So we mentioned last time that the composer for
this one was Elmer Bernstein, friend of John Landers's family,
composer for The Ten Commandments. But they pulled some songs
in some of the time, it was songs sung by
the cast, but one and one of those moments was
a song called money That's what I Want, which was
made very popular by the Beatles, of course, but was
originally and they the Beatles covered that song and it
was it's John Belushi that's singing it in this one.
Speaker 4: Really okay, yes.
Speaker 2: But the writer for the original song is a guy
that we've talked about in one of our Patreon episodes
named Verry Gordy.
Speaker 4: Really how about that?
Speaker 2: So if you guys are interested in hearing the very
Gordy family tree and a special song that made it
had a special appearance by mister Michael Jackson on it,
you should go check out our Patreon episodes. For as
little as five bucks a month, you can join our
Patreon family and hear all of those one hit Wonder episodes.
Patreon dot com slash Surely Podcast.
Speaker 4: You ready to talk about Louis Louis?
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, as we can talk about Louis Louis.
Speaker 3: So, before we were recording today, you and I were
looking at some stuff and I told you that American
songwriter said, this is the most influential, most important.
Speaker 4: Rock song of all time.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty big statement.
Speaker 4: That is a big state, the big statement. This song
came out in nineteen.
Speaker 3: Sixty three, which you've been the rules a little bit
because Animal House was set.
Speaker 4: In nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: It was originally written in nineteen fifty five by an
RB guy named Richard Barry. Okay, now the lyrics are
basically unintelligible, right, you can't tell what they're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so the FBI.
Speaker 3: Launched an investigation into the lyrics of this song.
Speaker 4: This is a true.
Speaker 3: Story because the Governor of Indiana, Matthew Welsh, declared that
it was pornographic in early nineteen sixty four and wanted
the India in a Broadcasters Association to ban it. And
the investigation spanned offices in several states, with technicians listening
to the song at different speeds trying to discern obscene lyrics.
Speaker 2: So this band, the Kingsman IMDb literally refers to them
as a frat rock group. Okay, it's great. But Louie
Louie was their debut single, as You Said, came out
in nineteen sixty three. The recording They did it for
thirty six dollars at Portland's Northwest Recorders Studio thirty six
dollars thirty six bucks, solid investment, Kingsman, well done.
Speaker 3: Gosh, that is an incredible return.
Speaker 2: It went on to hit number two on the Billboard
Pop Charts in nineteen sixty four. Gosh, I don't think
there's been a decade gone by that they haven't used
it in a movie.
Speaker 3: Since its release, this became a national hit when a
disc jockey in Boston played it and declared that it
was the worst song that he had ever heard.
Speaker 2: I love it all right, what else you got for me?
So there are a couple of awe some Sam Cook
tunes on here. We've got Twist in the Night Away.
Definitely love that song. And then we got a song
called Wonderful World, which whenever I hear that title, I
always think of the Louis Armstrong for sure, But this
one is the one that he starts out. Don't know
much about his story, Yeah, don't know much biology that
that song's Wonderful World. I would not have guessed that
was the title of that song, but there you go.
But Sam Cook again, an incredibly good song. But as
with other movies, I think that the pinnacle song for
this movie has to be the Isley Brothers singing shout
you know to make me won.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's fantastic. They played that at every fraternity party.
Speaker 4: Known to man ever since nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is a it's a great mix of early
rock and roll. This came out in like nineteen fifty nine,
early rock and roll and R and B and gospel
like it was his. We actually got calls from from
black churches saying we please stop playing that song because
it sounds like a black gospel church song. We don't
want you playing it on the rock and roll stations.
Speaker 4: Here's a quick trivia question for you.
Speaker 3: In the movie Witness with Harrison Ford and Kelly.
Speaker 2: McGillis, Yes, okay, I'm familiar with them.
Speaker 3: Harrison Ford's character, John Book is staying at the Amish
place and kind of getting ready to put the moves
on Kelly mcgillis's character, right, He sings a song and
they end up in bed.
Speaker 4: The song Sam Cook's What a Wonderful World?
Speaker 2: Nice, nice, good trivia.
Speaker 4: There you go. By the way, the Sam Cook story tragic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So I just want to tell you quickly
about the Sam Cook story. I can't remember what episode
we could have touched on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But on.
Speaker 3: December eleventh, nineteen sixty four, he was at a hotel room.
He had brought a girl back to the hotel and
then she wandered off, and he went down to the
hotel manager's office, banged on the door and said, where's
the girl. Where's the girl. She's like, what girl? What
are you talking about? Busted in the door. This is,
according to the hotel manager, wearing nothing but one shoe
and a sports jacket and nothing else. He grabs her
and is like, where's the girl, where's the girl?
Speaker 4: And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: And they wrestle and fight. She pulls out a gun,
she shoots him and kills him. Nineteen sixty four. Wow,
of course, Sam Cook one of the great voices.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's tragic story. There you go, tragic. Okay, So
two small budget, low expectation movies turn into monumental successes.
Both of these movies some of.
Speaker 4: The biggest college comedies of all time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the biggest. I couldn't tell you
bigger at this point.
Speaker 3: Now, Animal House is the godfather of college comedies.
Speaker 2: It very much is yes, Okay.
Speaker 3: Before you get to the success of Animal House, I
want to circle back on a story that I started
in part one. So, the one of the head executives
at Universal, a guy's name was Ned Tannon. He was grumpy,
didn't believe in the project, didn't really want to do it.
You finally agreed because Tom Mount and Sean Daniel at
Universal we're big fans of the magazine. He's like, fine,
three million bucks. Let's throw three million bucks at him.
Maybe we can make a couple of dollars in the
college crowd.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the original cut of Animal House one hundred and
thirty five minutes long.
Speaker 2: Oh hello, that's right. That's not comedy length, right, that's
just two hours and fifteen minutes long. That's a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I told you they went to the editor
and they're like, we think this is all great. And
the editor says, well, here's what we're gonna do. We're
gonna shake the tree and everything that's unnecessary to this
movie we're going to shake off, and then whatever's left is.
Speaker 4: Going to be great, perfectly prune tree, perfectly prune tree.
Speaker 2: Perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so they're like, great, let's do it. So they
cut it down to what is an hour and forty
five minutes, forty minutes.
Speaker 2: Something like that. I think John Landis said he learned
a lot from that experience, that idea of you can't
just dump the whole thing, no matter how good they are, right,
you can't dump that whole thing on somebody. Right.
Speaker 3: So they go to show it to Ned Tannant and
he's got his arms crossed, not laughing, not enjoying it.
And it gets to the part where Otter has been
sent to the hotel room to meet up with the
bad guys, right, and they jump him and they beat
the crap out of him, and he's like, this is
not funny. And John Lindas is like, well, it's not
supposed to be funny because this is the part where
he gets beat up and it sort of gives them
the incentive to get back and you know, and Ned
Tennant says, oh, so we're making comedies that are supposed
to not be funny.
Speaker 4: John Lennas is like, man, this is not going well
at all, right.
Speaker 3: And so finally he gets up, he leaves. They're like, fine,
do whatever you want with it, you know, make your
unfunny comedy, like man, this guy doesn't get it at all,
Like he does not think it's funny. So they pre
screen it and it's a bunch of college kids, a
bunch of fraternity guys in fact, uh huh. And John
Lanna says it's the greatest reception of any movie he's
ever seen.
Speaker 2: In his life.
Speaker 3: They were going bananas, he said, they were laughing so
much that they were missing jokes and missing funny scenes
that were coming right, and they were just howling at
this movie. Once that happened, he's like, I think we
got a hit, Fellas. Yeah, and it goes from a
three million dollar budget movie to was it make one
hundred and forty one million dollars worldwide?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's the godfather of college comedies.
Speaker 2: It is. Yeah. Sometimes movie studio executives don't know what
the heck they're talking about.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: John Landis made one comment that I thought was particularly interesting.
He said, when we started out with Animal House, for
a while, this movie belonged to Mattie Simmons and to
Ivan Rightman, and then it became Harold Ramis's, Doug Kenney's,
and Chris Miller's, and then for a little while it
became mine, like it was my movie, right, But once
it was released, it became John Blushi's movie. Oh yeah,
and I just thought that's really cool.
Speaker 2: Well said, yeah, that's very good. Well said so Revenge
of the Nerds. As I mentioned earlier, I could not
figure out how this movie got made, And it turns
out it was because it had a producer that was
the air of a fortune, right right. And its budget
in nineteen eighty four was eight million, and it's gross
worldwide was forty million, almost forty one million. Okay, so
one hundred million less than Animal House. Sure, but we're
talking about nineteen eighty four arguably the best year in
eighties movie history.
Speaker 3: Yes, deff Dave is happy to hear you say that, Yes, yes,
but you're right. It was a jam packed year at
the movie theater. In talking about Revenge of the Nerds,
it was kind of under the radar because the studio
thought the big comedy that year was going to be
Johnny Dangerously.
Speaker 2: I love Johnny Dangers I do too, right, Michael Keen.
Speaker 3: It's got some stars in it, but they were paying
more attention to Johnny Dangerously, and this is this one
kind of flew under the radar as just kind of
a dumb boob college funny movie, right, and it ends
up being one of the big comedy successes of.
Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: Very memorable.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and Johnny dangerously I liked it.
Speaker 2: I liked it too, But people don't talk about it.
It doesn't have the stay power as far as iconic movies.
It doesn't have the stay power of Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 4: I agree, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we know that both of these movies were successes,
and both of them made attempts to pour out that
success if you will. Right, there were no follow up
movies for National Lampoon Animal House, but many people may
not know there was a follow up TV series.
Speaker 3: Yes, the TV series which they owned the rights to,
so they could have easily called it Animal House, they
chose to make the ridiculous decision of changing the title
to the Dell to House Delta House. And get this,
so I told you this story the other day. So
they kind of get members of the cast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get Flounder, they get d Day, they get
Dean Warmer. Yeah, you get Dean Warmer. I mean they
got a lot of the original cast in there. You know,
they didn't get it was John Landis. They did not
and they didn't get John Belushi, right. A guy named
Josh Mostel played the Blue Tarski part and a guy
named Peter Fox played the Otter part. But as a
short lived show, there is one interesting feature of a
new actor or actress in this movie. You were telling
me about how crazy it is, how they got this,
how they got this actress.
Speaker 3: So they're looking for the pretty girl to fill the
Babs role, and they found this girl working at a
grocery store, working at the supermarkets, working at the supermarket.
They hired her to be in this TV show and
she's like, what do I do about my job at
the grocery store? And they're, well, honey, you need to
quit because you've got a future in TV and film.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: That woman's name is Michelle Pfeiffer.
Speaker 2: Mind blown.
Speaker 3: What Michelle Pfiffer got her start her first images on
any kind of camera?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Delta House yep. Nineteen seventy nine through nineteen
seventy nine. That's how long this one lasts, right, She
was the key hottie in the Delta House and then
within just what like a year, she is acting with
al Pacino and freaking Scarface.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scarface eighty three, Catwoman ninety two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Delta House not a not a big success. So
what about Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 7: Ow Nerds as good as you?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So here's what I'm gonna say about Revenge
of the Nerds. Our buddy Jeff Johnson told me he's
got the four pack Nerd collection.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So in nineteen eighty seven you get Revenge of the
Nerds Part two yep, which actually it has Courtney Thorn's Smith.
Speaker 4: They go to the beach.
Speaker 3: There's kind of a funny joke about them staying at
the hotel Coral Essex. But that movie had its laughs.
Speaker 4: It was funny.
Speaker 3: Now Gilbert broke his leg and so he couldn't go
with them. So you're you're down goose right, you don't
have anything anwa.
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards was like, I am a bigger star than this.
Speaker 3: Now I just did Top Gun in case you guys
don't know that. But then you have two others. One
of them is like Nerds in Love.
Speaker 2: Revenge of the Nerds three, the Next Generation came out
in nineteen ninety two, and Revenge of the Nerds. Nerds
in Love came out in nineteen.
Speaker 4: Four, nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2: Wow, so riding that for all that they could. I'm
pretty sure that that last one was a made for
TV movie. But three point eight on IMDb, Matt, I have.
Speaker 4: Not watched that one. I have no plans to see
that one.
Speaker 2: Well, they got back Robert Carrodine for that, Curtis Armstrong,
Julie Montgomery, what, yeah, all back for that. It's just
that it was terrible.
Speaker 3: Hey, By the way, I one other story I need
to follow up on before we do our final judgment. Yes,
at the end of Animal House, in the closing credits,
there's a you know this is a Universal picture when
it talks about who did what at the end, you know,
at the end of the movie when it shows Babs
says that she worked as a tour guide at Universal Studios, right,
and it says ask for Babs.
Speaker 4: When you go to Universal Studios.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Universal Studios actually had some sort of incentive
when you ask for Babs at Universal Studios. Okay, now
here's the deal. I couldn't find anywhere concrete where it
said you got ten dollars off your ticket or you
got an extra ride or you got free popcorn or anything.
Speaker 4: I couldn't find.
Speaker 2: Anything signed picture of Babs well.
Speaker 3: Right, right, but I did see a press release that
had been released in nineteen eighty nine, ten years later.
Over ten years later, they were no longer honoring the
ask for Bab's incentive at Universal Studios.
Speaker 2: Stupid Universal.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think maybe it was kind of the discretion of
the manager on duty at that day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and probably it had become what do they say, viral,
not back then, but that it was like everybody knew
the secret at this point. It wasn't an inside joke anymore.
Speaker 3: If I go to Universal Studios, you can guarantee I'm
gonna ask for Rabs.
Speaker 2: Okay, before we get into final judgment, I got a
question for you. Okay, you've just gone through Pledge Week. Yes,
and you've got two offers. Yes, one is from the
Delta House and the others from the try Lamps. Yeah,
which one are you going to pledge with?
Speaker 3: I'm pledging try lamb Okay, why because I care about
graduating and that's full of smart people who are going
to graduate.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: The Delta House is full of people are about.
Speaker 4: To get kicked out of school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to graduate and get my college degree.
Speaker 2: Right. If I had confidence in my own bootstraps success, right,
then I definitely would go with the Delta House. That
would be the most fun. But if I wanted the
most likelihood of financial success, you bet your booty. Not
only that I'm going to get good grades, but I'm
going to meet all the guys who are going to
be running the world in the next twenty years.
Speaker 3: Oh guaranteed, Wormser is out there. He's a CEO of
some tech company somewhere.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Probably not, he is probably retired, sitting on a
beach earning twenty percent nice.
Speaker 3: All right, well here we are. It's final judgment time.
I think it's your turn to go first.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, as I mentioned when I watched The Revenge
of the Nerds, I was kind of a board a
little bit for the first half hour. Then they came
in strong on the party scene. I mean, all of
a sudden, I'm laughing out loud multiple times. I'm like, okay, good,
the movie has come alive. We've built our character relationship
and now we're really seeing them take off. And they
had good funny scenes after that the competition was good,
and then they finished a pretty weak note. It was
not you know, when you have a Cinderella story, which
both of these movies are, she's got to have the
Prince chaser at the end, right, you got to have
Rocky fighting his way to go in the distance. And
with this you just kind of get a whisper end,
you know. And I think that they they had shot
scenes where it was going to be a more aggressive ending,
a more powerful ending for the nerds, and even we
were going to learn that Stan was actually a nerd
at heart and had a brother who was a nerd
who would come save him from the toughness of the
other nerds. This is what these are the deleted scenes
that we're getting to wow, okay, but instead we just
kind of have this awkward, ad libbed speech by Anthony
Edwards and a not very cathartic ending. It's just it's like, hey,
we're here now, when we're here to stay the end?
And on the other side of that, you've got Animal House,
which ends in what I would describe as a battle scene.
I mean, it was amazing what they did in the carnival.
Carnival they've got you know, Kevin Bacon has smashed flat.
Things are exploding, people are flying up in the air.
Building buildings are being knocked over, dogs and cats living together,
mass hysteria. Right, And so to me, this was a landslide,
a landslide for National lampoon.
Speaker 3: Animal House really okay, all right, Well, I'm going to
disagree with you. So I do believe that Animal House
is the godfather of college comedies. There is no denying.
It is way more impactful. It's given birth to more movies,
way more movies than Revenge of the Nerds. But I
can't escape my eleven year old self of wanting to
catch this movie on Cinemax because it was just naughty
enough for me at the time to want to watch
a little bit of you know, Revenge from.
Speaker 2: The Nerds, a little bit of voyeurism, a little bit
of inappropriateness for me.
Speaker 3: The comedy of Booger really worked for me at that time.
Speaker 2: It is eleven year old humor.
Speaker 3: Eleven year old me is voting for Revenge of the Notes.
Speaker 2: Well, very good, very good, All right, guys, Well tell
us what you think. Check us out. We're on Facebook obviously.
You can reach us at Shirley Podcast on Twitter you
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It has been fantastic. Had an email from a new
friend in Australia we had just gotten introduced to our podcast,
who gave us warm and wonderful reviews from down under.
Thank you very much. That's Jason mack down in Australia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we also got an email from a
guy named David Kaisse I think I pronounced that kiss
and he likes to listen to us when he goes
on walks, and he wanted us to do a podcast
on Dave Matthews Band.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I mean hey, I was a huge
Dave Matthews band fan back in the day. But Under
the Table and Dreaming one of my favorite albums of
all time. I would as I would love to talk
about the Dave Matthews Band and it may I mean
heck that maybe one of those. Are they worth the
hate albums? Because as powerful and popular as they were,
they get a lot of bad press these days. It's
kind of disturbing because they're amazing musicians, amazing.
Speaker 3: That'd be if I want to do maybe we'll do
that one down the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be fantastic.
Speaker 3: Can you believe what we got on the horizon For
the next five weeks.
Speaker 2: Guys, we are jumping feet first into the incredible albums
of nineteen four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna cover Eezer the Blue album. We're covering
Green Days, Dookie, We're covering Bush sixteen Stone, We're covering
Collective Soul the Blue Album, and we're covering Live Growing Copper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, all amazing albums that came out in ninety four.
And that's just a smattering, you know, that's just a
sample size of the incredible albums that came out that year. So, guys,
if you you know you've heard us talk eighties for
several several episodes, Now we are going to jump into
the nineties, as we seem to do every fall, and
jump into some of the incredible albums of nineteen ninety four.
And that'd be in the case we have another Surely song.
So since our Surely you Can't Be Serious band has
done eighties versions of our theme song and we're about
to move into the nineties, I said, hey, guys, can
you do a more post grunge Weezer esque style? And
I gave them a whole new set of lyrics that
I wrote, and guys, here it is, say it ain't
surely by the surely you can't be serious? Podcast band?
Speaker 4: Oh Yes, can't wait to hear this?
Speaker 7: Yeah, attention with the breakfast club guys, a boombox blasting.
Speaker 5: In your eyes?
Speaker 7: This some kind of movie scene. Earn my dancing shoes.
Speaker 5: I guess I'm about to cut one loose because I'm
living my eighties dream. So let's take a builder day
when July to get away? Is it really so mystery?
Let surely take you back in time? Lets surely push me?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 5: Sure you can't? You can't be serious? No Google, no Face,
no Amazon, just nineteen eighty four Jumping Panama. Are we
safety flash or dirty dancing? We love a crush groove
and the romance is true, but it's the stone we're romance.
So let's take a bueller day when July to get
away just trenck away Captain James's time near us?
Speaker 7: Lest surely take you Sime.
Speaker 5: Let's surely push free wine. Sure you can't, you can't
be serious. He's a party with the don't go.
Speaker 6: Girls and lost boys, So come on field the noise,
let's sultar grants your nostalgia wish. The girls just want
to have fun playing with the boys, to be the
top gun. No, surely you can't be serious, or to
stand by me, because I'll be there for you.
Speaker 5: This winter shade is hazy, so let's go crazy. But
a coupits as you wish. It's surely, surely you can't
be serious. Surely you can't. You can't be serious. Sure
you can't. You can't be sure you can't. You can't
be Surely you can't.
Speaker 4: You can't can be serious.
Speaker 5: Sure you can you can't be you can you can't
be serious? Looks like I'm miss seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did.
Speaker 3: We're all officially kicked out of school.
Speaker 5: Wormer just got our grades.
Speaker 2: They kicked us out of school. That makes sense.
Speaker 8: Hey, let's just slide around. Shit, what the hell is
supposed to do you moron?
Speaker 1: War is over?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: Wermer dropped a big one.
Speaker 4: What over?
Speaker 8: You say over? Nothing is over until we decided?
Speaker 2: Is was it over?
Speaker 8: When the German's bomb prolter?
Speaker 2: Hello German, forget it?
Speaker 7: He's rolling and hey over now?
Speaker 8: Because why I'm not going gets tough? The tough get gone?
Speaker 4: Who's with me?
Speaker 8: Let's go gone?