1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Okay, just stop and consider an unsettling thought for a moment, right, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,719 What if the fundamental rules that govern our physical reality, 3 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:10,560 I mean, the very structure of time, space, and matter 4 00:00:11,199 --> 00:00:16,079 were broken, maybe even shattered, not by some distant cosmic 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,719 event or alien tech, but by some of the most 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,399 brilliant scientific minds in the world working for the US military. 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,679 And we're talking eight decades ago exactly. 8 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:27,399 Speaker 2: We're not talking about theories on a blackboard. Here. The 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,120 sources we have claimed these were real classified experiments, and 10 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:35,200 these tests allegedly made massive solid objects. We're talking entire 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,039 naval destroyers vandage from one place and reappear. 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,679 Speaker 1: Somewhere else with catastrophic and deeply, deeply unsettling consequences for 13 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:46,359 the people on board. Welcome to thrilling Threads. Today. We 14 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:49,039 have a stack of sources that is truly unique and 15 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:52,240 frankly very controversial. A listener has supplied us with a 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,880 whole host of testimonies and documents historical research all centered 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,359 on these classified projects from the late nineteen thirties and 18 00:00:58,399 --> 00:00:59,479 early nineteen forties. 19 00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:03,079 Speaker 2: These sources claim that a powerhouse team of legendary figures 20 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:05,799 I mean names that are synonymous with modern physics were 21 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:06,519 all brought together. 22 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:10,799 Speaker 1: Oh, the names are just staggering. Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, 23 00:01:10,879 --> 00:01:12,200 John von Neumann right. 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: And their mandate. The job they were given went so 25 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:18,480 far beyond just conventional radar evasion. The work allegedly delved 26 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:24,359 into harnessing electromagnetic energy to fundamentally manipulate the space time continuum. 27 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:28,560 They were exploring concepts like five dimensional reality and something 28 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:29,599 they called time. 29 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,879 Speaker 1: Matrixes, which just sounds like science fiction. 30 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,799 Speaker 2: It does, And this is a really high stakes exploration 31 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:38,879 for us. We're diving deep into a place where verifiable history, 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,359 the urgent need for naval advantages of the US was 33 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,560 entering World War two collides and collides violently with physics 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,480 did well. Even today it sounds impossible. So for you, 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,519 the listener, our mission here is to try and parse 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,959 these threats, to understand the military ambition, to define these 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,719 really mind bending concepts the sources present, and to analyze 38 00:01:57,719 --> 00:01:59,640 the chain of events that took them from a tiny 39 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:02,599 lab test to a potential maritime catastrophe. 40 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:04,719 Speaker 1: And we have to start at the very beginning with 41 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:08,800 the theory, right, because the claims they started small, but 42 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,199 the ambition behind them was well, it was vast and 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,159 honestly terrifying from the get go. 44 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: It really was. 45 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack the most radical claim right at 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,120 the top, because it really does frame everything else that follows. 47 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,280 The statement allegedly made by the project managers and repeated 48 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:28,400 throughout the source material is it's simple, but it's profound. 49 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,400 We control space and time here from this project. 50 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:35,159 Speaker 2: And that one sentence immediately yanks the whole discussion outside 51 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:37,599 the realm of normal physics, doesn't it. It puts it 52 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:40,520 into something far more, far more dangerous. 53 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, this wasn't about building a better engine or improving radios. 54 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,400 This was about achieving what they saw as absolute dominion 55 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,400 over the fundamental forces of the universe. 56 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,199 Speaker 2: And what's so fascinating, what should really you raise your 57 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,360 intellectual antenna, is how the sources suggest they jumped almost 58 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,080 straight from this, this theoretical idea, to actual functional experiments. 59 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,639 They claim that even in the early stages, the people 60 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:06,159 running this believe they had a technology that could warp 61 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,879 or manipulate the space time continuum. 62 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: Before they even thought about putting it on a ship, right. 63 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:14,759 Speaker 2: Before any major military application was even on the table, 64 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,919 the scientists were supposedly wrestling with these time matrixes. But 65 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:21,439 to really get a sense of the immense leap of faith, 66 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,479 or maybe the immense hubris that led to the big 67 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,680 naval tests, we have to focus on this one alleged 68 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:30,520 micro experiment. It's a single anecdote, but it's the one 69 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,639 that suggests this level of control wasn't just possible, but 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,599 that they had already. 71 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,479 Speaker 1: Achieved it exactly. The source material paints this incredibly specific, 72 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:41,800 most cinematic picture of this early test. It describes an 73 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,280 enclosure maybe four by four feet, set up inside a 74 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:47,919 secure room, and the target for this test a surprisingly 75 00:03:48,039 --> 00:03:53,080 mundane object, a large glass ashtray just sitting on a cabinet. 76 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: A very ordinary, solid, real object, which is the perfect 77 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,759 thing to use if you want to prove something extraordinary. 78 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: And the test itself there's no fanfare, no big countdown. 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,479 The command given is just go ahead. 80 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: And the report says that in the next instant that 81 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,000 ashtray wasn't sitting there, it vanished completely. 82 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: The source really goes out of its way to emphasize 83 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:17,319 how fast and total the disappearance was. It was there 84 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,120 one minute and boom, one second and it was gone. 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: Which is a critical distinction. By the way, this isn't 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,480 just you know, dimming the lights or using a fancy mirror. 87 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,720 This is a complete instantaneous, visible dissolution of matter. 88 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,199 Speaker 1: If that's true, it's not an optics trick. It's physics shattering. 89 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:36,000 But the most astonishing part is the second half of 90 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,800 the experiment, the materialization. 91 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,199 Speaker 2: Right, they go into another room which was prepared identically, 92 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,120 and there it is sitting on a cabinet just like 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,800 it was before. 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,199 Speaker 1: And the source insists it was the identical, same object, 95 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,920 exactly the same object it dematerialized and materialized. I have 96 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:56,839 to sit with that word for a second. Identical. It's 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 just that whatever process happened, it was precise enough to 98 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,959 break the object down and rebuild it perfectly down to 99 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,399 the molecular level in a different physical spot. 100 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: The scientific implications of just that one small scale test 101 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,040 are frankly astronomical. If you accept the account as it's written, 102 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,360 this suggests not just instantaneous transport, but a process you 103 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:20,800 might call matter energy conversion and reconstruction see cloaking or 104 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,839 bending light that still leaves the mass in place. A 105 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:24,920 LightWave just avoids it. 106 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:25,959 Speaker 1: The object is still there. 107 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: You just can't see it exactly, but dematerialization that suggests 108 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,240 the object was either disassembled into its base energy or 109 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:37,079 this is the crucial part, displaced dimensionally and then reformed 110 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,360 perfectly in another room. The precision needed to achieve that 111 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:43,680 perfect identical replication is what takes this from a clever 112 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:46,480 trick to an alleged mastery over the very bonds of 113 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:47,319 matter itself. 114 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine the state of mind of the 115 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,319 scientists who supposedly witness that. One second you're looking at 116 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,480 an ash tray, that next it's gone and reappears in 117 00:05:54,519 --> 00:05:57,720 another room. But this wasn't just some isolated lab work 118 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,800 done in a vacuum. The source material mediately links the 119 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,399 successful ash tray trick to the highest level of theoretical 120 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:07,759 research happening at a very specific place, the Institute for 121 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Advanced Study the IAS, and. 122 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,639 Speaker 2: That link is absolutely vital. The IAS in Princeton, it 123 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,920 wasn't just another research center. It was arguably the premier 124 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,839 intellectual think tank in the world at that time. If 125 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,120 you one of the most brilliant minds working on concepts 126 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,600 that were years, maybe decades ahead of the curve, that's where. 127 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: You went and Einstein was there at the time. 128 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:33,399 Speaker 2: Einstein von Neumann, the heavy hitters, and the source specifically 129 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:36,279 alleges that the theoretical scaffolding for the ash tree experiment 130 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,759 was built right there. They were dealing with concepts that 131 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,560 sound alien to our four dimensional experience, things like time 132 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,759 matrixes and five dimensional realities, among as sources a few 133 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,240 other things which we had never heard of. 134 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: Okay, we need to pause and try to define that 135 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,360 a bit, because it's easy to get lost in the 136 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,199 complexity when the sources talk about five dimensional realities and 137 00:06:57,399 --> 00:07:01,240 time matrixes. How did the theoretical work or supposedly connect 138 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,240 that to a physical action like making an ash tray disappear? 139 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,079 What do they think they could achieve by thinking in 140 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:09,759 five dimensions instead of our usual four. 141 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: That is the crucial question, because this is the theoretical 142 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,079 leap they made. We live in four dimensions, right, three 143 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,240 of space length with depth, and one of time. The 144 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:22,879 concept of a fifth dimension, which is often explored in 145 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,279 advanced theories like Kaluza client theory, suggests that if you 146 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:30,600 can somehow access or manipulate that extra dimension, it acts. 147 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Like a shortcut, a shortcut through space time. 148 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:34,639 Speaker 2: A shortcut through space time. Think of space time as 149 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,800 a big sheet of paper. To get from one point 150 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,120 to another, you have to travel across the paper. That 151 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,560 takes time and covers distance. That's our four dimensional world. 152 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,959 But if you'd access a fifth dimension, you could just 153 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:47,279 fold the paper and bring the two points right next 154 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,120 to each other. You could bridge vast distances instantly. 155 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: And the sources are suggesting that the technology, this powerful, 156 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:58,480 precisely controlled electromagnetic field, was the mechanism they believed could 157 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,240 induce that fold. It could create a temporary disruption, a wormhole, 158 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,680 by tapping into this fifth dimensional matrix precisely. 159 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: So the time matrix's concept implies that time isn't just 160 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:12,680 a constant linear flow. It's navigable or adjustable, just like 161 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,160 spatial coordinates on a map. The five dimensional reality provides 162 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:18,879 the conceptual framework for creating the physical shortcut, and the 163 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,000 electromagnetic field is the key that unlocks it. 164 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: So the research at IIS was allegedly conceptualizing space time 165 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,120 not as just a fabric, but as a dense programmable lattice, 166 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:30,279 a matrix. 167 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: Exactly a matrix. And if you can input the right 168 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,440 energetic codes through these massive electromagnetic fields. You could calculate 169 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,039 how to disrupt that lattice for a moment. You could 170 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:43,039 cause an object inside the field to just bypass conventional 171 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:46,720 space and time. The astray story, if it's genuine, is 172 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:49,720 the tangible, small scale proof that they believe they could 173 00:08:49,759 --> 00:08:52,320 do it. It proves the sources claim that this work 174 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,080 went way beyond a disappearing ashtray in their minds. It 175 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,320 was a glimpse into controlling fundamental reality itself. 176 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,039 Speaker 1: Which sets the stage per but also terrifyingly. You go 177 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,320 from this highly controlled lab environment dealing with theoretical physics 178 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,320 and a small glass object to the very real, very 179 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,200 desperate pressures of a world at war. 180 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: And this is where the military necessity transforms this elegant, 181 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,480 abstract theory into a massive, high stakes and potentially lethal 182 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:19,440 engineering project. 183 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the focus immediately shifts to the WWII context. The 184 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,759 US is gearing up for war, and the Navy's needs 185 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:26,759 are They're acute, they are no negotiable. 186 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:28,919 Speaker 2: They needed any advantage they could get in the North 187 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,600 Atlantic and the Pacific, specifically a way to protect ships, 188 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:36,000 to stay hidden from enemy U boats and reconnaissance planes, 189 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,360 and to avoid radar detection, which was a relatively new technology. 190 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,120 This immense operational need was the catalyst that wrenched the 191 00:09:45,159 --> 00:09:49,039 dimensional theories out of the IAS laboratory and straight into 192 00:09:49,039 --> 00:09:52,679 the shipyard. They weren't trying to achieve dimensional travel for 193 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:56,799 its own sake. They were seeking tactical battlefield invisibility. 194 00:09:57,159 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: And to get that tactical advantage, the Navy brought together 195 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:04,399 with the sources described as an absolute all star scientific team. 196 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,519 I mean, the concentration of brilliance is just staggering. You've 197 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:09,600 got John von Neumann, the father of the modern computer. 198 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,080 You have Nikola Tesla, the master of alternating current and electromagnetic. 199 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,159 Speaker 2: Power, Albert Einstein, who literally redefined our understanding of space time. 200 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,279 Speaker 1: And another name, Alexander Vlynlan. It's almost unbelievable that these 201 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:25,600 four minds could be working together on a single military project. 202 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: It really speaks to the desperation of the time and 203 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:31,279 the blank check the military was willing to write for 204 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,279 any potential game changer, and the instruction given to these 205 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,960 giants of science was deceptively simple. Explore electromagnetic technology and 206 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,080 see if you can grant us naval supremacy. So their 207 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,720 collective genius was applied to this one core principle, the 208 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,080 electromagnetic cloak. 209 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: So what was the core principle of that cloak? How 210 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:55,399 is it supposed to work? The sources suggest it was 211 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,360 a really elegant, almost deceptively simple concept. 212 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: It was. It relied entirely on the idea of wave deflection. 213 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,919 The goal was to generate an electromagnetic field around the 214 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,519 ship's hull that was powerful enough, but also, and this 215 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,320 is crucial, stable enough. In theory, if this field was 216 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,879 strong and properly tuned, it would bend all incoming energy waves, 217 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:18,440 light waves in the visible spectrum, and more importantly, radar waves. 218 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,120 It would bend them around the vessel. 219 00:11:19,879 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: So the waves would never actually hit the ship and 220 00:11:21,879 --> 00:11:23,039 bounce back to an observer. 221 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: Never so to both the naked eye and any electronic 222 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:30,840 detection system, the ship would just appear to be invisible. 223 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:33,080 It would be like a rock in a stream with 224 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:35,600 the water of reality just flowing around it. 225 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: And the sources claim they actually did it, and surprisingly early. 226 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:41,919 We hear about a test in nineteen forty at the 227 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,919 Brooklyn Navy Yard. They were using revised equipment based heavily 228 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,039 on Tesla's original designs. A full analog system, which means 229 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,600 massive physical generators and custom wound coils, no computers, and. 230 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: The result they reported for nineteen forty was truly staggering. 231 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,679 A Navy tender, which is a support vessel weighing about 232 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,879 two hundred and fifty tons, reportedly became completely invisible, not 233 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,240 just to radar operators, which is the main tactical goal, 234 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,759 but also, according to these accounts, to the eye and 235 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:11,960 to the camera for that matter. Wow, the only thing 236 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:14,639 left was a slight shimmering disturbance on the surface of 237 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:16,519 the water around where the vessel should have been. 238 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: You have to just imagine the scene and the immediate 239 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,840 implications of that. The source says that everyone from the 240 00:12:21,879 --> 00:12:25,519 operational commanders on site to Navy leadership in DC, and 241 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,000 even supposedly President Roosevelt himself was elated. 242 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,519 Speaker 2: Of course they were. They had achieved true invisibility on 243 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,320 a functional, large scale. This wasn't just an interesting scientific result, 244 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,200 It was a revolution in naval warfare. 245 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: And that successful test immediately triggered the next inevitable. 246 00:12:42,799 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: Step, intense classification. The Navy officially named the operational effort 247 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,960 Project Rainbow, and this success elevated the technology from a 248 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,120 mere proof of concept into a critical national security secret. 249 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,720 It pushed it rapidly into full scale development for integration 250 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:01,200 onto actual fighting ships. 251 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: So it went from a lab curiosity to a potential 252 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,519 war winner practically overnight. But as we know, success on 253 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,600 a two hundred and fifty ten tender a relatively small 254 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:16,600 slow ship presents the immediate challenge of scaling it up. 255 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,279 And this is exactly where the source material suggests the 256 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,080 project went completely off the rails. They had proved the 257 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,440 concept of the electromagnetic cloak worked, but taking that exact 258 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,159 field geometry and amplifying it to cover a full sized 259 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,480 naval destroyer the USS Eldridge. That introduced variables that even 260 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,159 the minds of von Neumann and Einstein hadn't fully accounted for. 261 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: And the sources are very clear on this point. When 262 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,600 they introduced human personnel into that scaled up electromagnetic envelope, 263 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:46,399 the reactions became, and I'm quoting here, far less predictable. 264 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,759 Speaker 1: Which should have been the moment they stopped. That should 265 00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:50,799 have been a full stop right there. They needed to 266 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,799 conduct bioeffects research, but the war machine was hungry. It 267 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:56,399 needed results yesterday. 268 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: That unpredictable element is the absolute point of no return. 269 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,919 In this story, we're moving from physics theory to dangerous 270 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,519 rushed engineering. The physical modifications to the Eldridge itself were extensive. 271 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,759 They were invasive, massive generators, hundreds and hundreds of yards 272 00:14:12,759 --> 00:14:15,840 of specialized cabling, and these critical field coils were all 273 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:19,039 shoehorned into compartments on the ship that were never designed 274 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:21,960 to handle that kind of hardware or the immense energy flow. 275 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,039 Speaker 1: And this is where we need to stress the difference 276 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,919 between nineteen forty three technology and what we have today. 277 00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:30,799 The source material highlights this terrifying reliance on human operators. 278 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,240 There were no redundant digital controls, no automated failsafes, nothing. 279 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:38,919 Speaker 2: Everything depended on precise human timing and quick reactions. 280 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Specific crew members like men named Duncan and al Blesch 281 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,679 were designated to run the equipment. They had to be 282 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,000 physically at the controls and everything. The field stability, the 283 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,000 synchronization of the coils, the ability to shut it down 284 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,120 in an emergency, it all depended entirely on their precise execution. 285 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,679 The sources say there was no automation and no backup 286 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:01,240 method if something went wrong. 287 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,639 Speaker 2: That level of vulnerability is just it's an unacceptable risk 288 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:08,120 when you're dealing with a machine that's supposedly based on 289 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:12,399 five dimensional reality concepts. It creates this tremendous pressure cooker 290 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,960 environment where catastrophic failure is practically built into the system design. 291 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: So that brings us to the first full scale, highly 292 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,320 dangerous test July twenty second, nineteen forty three, in the 293 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,240 Philadelphia Harbor. The observing team, which included doctor von Neumann, 294 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,720 was stationed on a nearby carrier to monitor the results 295 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:30,879 safely from a distance. 296 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: The test begins, and for the first twenty minutes or so, 297 00:15:34,039 --> 00:15:36,399 the accounts say, everything seemed to be working according to 298 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:39,559 the plan. This ship was invisible to radar and visible 299 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:42,720 to site, with only that familiar light haze confirming the 300 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:46,639 presence of the powerful field. The invisibility part worked again 301 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:48,399 tactically it was another. 302 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: Success, But then the first major warning sign appeared, a 303 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,159 physical anomaly that should have immediately halted the entire project 304 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,639 for good. Captain Harrison, who was observing through specialized binoculars 305 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,559 from the carrier, noticed something profoundly unexpected about the water 306 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,799 displacement around the vessel. He noted a huge water line 307 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:11,360 much much further out from the ship's hull than anyone 308 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:14,679 would expect for a ship that was basically stationary. 309 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: And this detail is absolutely crucial. It speaks directly to 310 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,919 the physical integrity of the ship under the influence of 311 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:23,879 this field. Harrison's immediate concern, as it's reported, was that 312 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:27,039 the electromagnetic field was somehow interacting with the water beneath 313 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:30,440 the ship, or worse, that the vessel itself was flexing 314 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:31,519 or bending. 315 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: And he knew the ship's interior had been gutted to 316 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,440 fit all that equipment. He worried the ship wasn't properly 317 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,679 supported and might actually break in half from the strain 318 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,879 of the field interacting with his own mass. So, even 319 00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:48,240 though the ship was technically invisible, this terrifying visual aberration 320 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,559 was enough for him to order the termination of the 321 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,679 test after only twenty minutes. 322 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: And the moment they got the ship back to the dock, 323 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,039 the crew crisis materialized. It confirmed all the fears about 324 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:02,159 the unpredictable off of scaling this thing up. This is 325 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,000 where the theoretical risk became a devastating human reality. The 326 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:09,000 crew members who were stationed specifically on the deck as observers, 327 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,799 the ones fully exposed to the immediate field. They were 328 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:17,599 severely impacted. Reports detailed them as being very sick, nauseous, disoriented, 329 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,240 mentally out of it, and physiologically pretty much out of it. 330 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: And the sources make a vital distinction here, don't they. 331 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:25,039 It was only the men directly exposed on the deck 332 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:28,759 who were affected. Everyone else, engineers, cooks, any personnel who 333 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:31,799 were below deck or behind a heavy steel door, they 334 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:33,039 were completely. 335 00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:36,519 Speaker 2: Unharmed, completely unharmed, which strongly suggests that the effect was 336 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:40,440 a direct consequence of exposure to the electromagnetic envelope itself. 337 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,640 It wasn't a secondary effect like vibration or heat. The 338 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,680 field was interacting directly with human biology in a very 339 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:48,359 negative way. 340 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,559 Speaker 1: You'd think that would be enough. 341 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: You would This experience, despite the tactical success of invisibility, 342 00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:58,119 severely alarmed the scientific team. Von Neuman in particular, grew 343 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,359 intensely cautious. Understood the math behind generating the field, but 344 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,799 the system was reacting in physical and biological ways. It 345 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,240 just did not align with the original benign design, especially 346 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:12,960 when the power levels went up. The math predicted invisibility, 347 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,599 the reality delivered a huge waterline and severely sick sailors. 348 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,880 The science was becoming unmoored from the predictable, but the 349 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,880 military imperative, that relentless need for a winning edge in 350 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,799 the war was still driving the entire operation forward. 351 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: That period between the first test in July and the 352 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,119 next final test in August it must have been an 353 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,119 absolute cauldron of tension and disagreement. You have the Navy 354 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,720 pushing for results, wanting to stabilize the system to use 355 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:42,759 it on the battlefield immediately, and you have the scientists 356 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:45,200 staring into this terrifying unknown. 357 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,279 Speaker 2: They were caught in an ethical and military trap. They 358 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:51,920 couldn't really stop, but they knew proceeding was incredibly dangerous. 359 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,599 The sources suggest the team made a few critical modifications 360 00:18:55,599 --> 00:18:58,880 between the tests. They tightened the synchronization of the coils, 361 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,680 they improved the timing circuits. They were aiming for the 362 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,160 cleanest version of the system they could possibly get. 363 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:07,079 Speaker 1: But the fundamental response to the visual aberration and the 364 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,039 crew sickness was not to reduce power. It was to 365 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:13,440 push more power through the system. They raised the overall 366 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:16,000 energy output to a level they had never before attempted 367 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:19,160 on a fully crude vessel. The theoretical goal was to 368 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,960 achieve stability. The actual consequence, as the story goes, was 369 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,079 definitive disaster. 370 00:19:24,319 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: It's a classic case of doubling down on a bad bet. 371 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,279 Speaker 1: So we arrive at the Fateful Day August twelfth, nineteen 372 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:33,480 forty three. The orders were radioed in, the generators roared 373 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:36,119 to life. The initial phase for about the first seventy 374 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,680 seconds seemed almost like a repeat at the July test. 375 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:41,880 The plan was holding. The ship was radar invisible, but 376 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,440 you could still see it visually through that distinct greenish 377 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,839 type haze, which confirmed the powerful field was active. 378 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,079 Speaker 2: But this system crossed some terrifying unknown threshold. The visual 379 00:19:54,079 --> 00:19:57,480 haze suddenly intensified. There was a recorded blue flash of light, 380 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,799 and the ship it just disappeared completely, not just invisible 381 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,759 or cloak. It was gone. No haze, no water line, 382 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:07,039 no disturbance of the water, just an empty patch of 383 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:10,039 harbor where a massive destroyer had been sitting moments before. 384 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: The source material vividly describes the immediate reaction of the observers. 385 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,119 Von Neumann and the Navy personnel were very concerned, very upset. 386 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,319 Panicked is the right word. The silence in the harbor 387 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,319 must have been just deafening, and the most horrifying detail 388 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,279 is the duration. The uss aldridge was gone for four hours. 389 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: Four hours of just nothingness. When it finally returned, reappearing 390 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,240 suddenly in the exact same spot in the harbor, The 391 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:38,480 sources say it was obvious something was wrong in this moment. 392 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:42,440 The total de materialization and the subsequent return marks the 393 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,119 definitive shift of Project Rainbow. It went from a potentially 394 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,880 viable tactical experiment into a full blown emergency with existential implications. 395 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: The system had clearly gone far far beyond the original 396 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,319 design parameters for tactical invisibility. 397 00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:59,039 Speaker 2: It had interacted with the ship's structure and with the 398 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,559 crew in ways that the existing four dimensional physics simply 399 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:05,720 could not explain. The scientists were no longer trying to 400 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,640 perfect a cloak. They were suddenly dealing with the aftermath 401 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,599 of a temporary dimensional shift that violated almost every physical. 402 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:14,519 Speaker 1: Law they knew, and the evidence of this violation was 403 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,200 immediate and just confounding. Instruments all over the ship were 404 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,039 out of alignment, the metal of the vessel itself showed 405 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:25,039 irregular magnetization patterns, and the crew's reactions went far beyond 406 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:28,480 mere sickness. Their medical reports didn't match any known response 407 00:21:28,519 --> 00:21:30,519 to standard electromagnetic exposure. 408 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,559 Speaker 2: The chilling claim, according to the sources, is that the 409 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:36,359 experiment had pushed them into conditions the human body and 410 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,880 mind were never meant to experience the physical integrity of 411 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,079 the vessel, and more tragically, the crew's mental and physical 412 00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:46,839 state had been fundamentally compromised by the chaotic forces they 413 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:47,519 had unleashed. 414 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:51,279 Speaker 1: And this leads us naturally to the most outlandish and 415 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,519 you could argue the core claim in the entire source material. 416 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:58,880 The project manager's response to this crisis after the ship 417 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,400 returned and the horrific condition of the crew was assess 418 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:04,599 the people running the project were forced to confront an 419 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,559 impossible truth, and the source implies they actually believed they 420 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:12,440 needed to intervene and fix the situation using the exact 421 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,440 same technology that had caused the problem in the first place. 422 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 2: It speaks volumes about the level of certainty or maybe denial, 423 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,839 among the project's managers. We get this shocking assertion they 424 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,359 allegedly made to the few surviving participants who are coherent 425 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,279 enough to even be spoken to. They apparently said, well, 426 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,200 we'll send you back. Send them back where exactly, and 427 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:35,359 when questioned on how that was even possible, the reply 428 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,880 was very simple. We control space and time here from 429 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,519 this project. We can send you anywhere as we want, 430 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:44,920 at any time we want. This is the statement that 431 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,599 truly transforms the narrative from a military secret into a 432 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,599 claim of accidental temporal and dimensional mastery. 433 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: And that statement is absolutely vital because it provides the 434 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:59,680 alleged official technical explanation for where the ship had been 435 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,799 those four hours. It wasn't just cloaked in the harbor. 436 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,920 It was fundamentally displaced. 437 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:07,799 Speaker 2: That's right. The technical concept the managers allegedly used to 438 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,400 define the ship's disappearance in return was that the electromagnetic 439 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,640 field had become so powerful and unstable that the Eldritch 440 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,000 had built and was temporarily contained within a hyperspace bubble. 441 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,759 Speaker 1: A hyperspace bubble. We have to define that term based 442 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:23,799 on the sources, because it sounds like something straight out 443 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:24,400 of a movie. 444 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,279 Speaker 2: It does. The bubble is described as existing nowhere physically. 445 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,880 It is and this is quote, an artificial reality which 446 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,640 is not of this Earth or not of the Solar 447 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,839 System as we know it. It's outside of it in 448 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,160 a manner of speaking, So. 449 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,079 Speaker 1: Let's elaborate on the theoretical physics implication of that. If 450 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,279 the ship was in an artificial reality, that means the 451 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:47,799 technology didn't just bend light around it. It temporarily broke 452 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:51,359 the vessel and its crew completely out of conventional physical 453 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,079 space time. It used that fifth dimensional matrix they had 454 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:56,880 been theorizing about at the MIAs. 455 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,599 Speaker 2: Precisely, they weren't just invisible. They had been distracted from 456 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,039 our observable universe for four hours. 457 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: So if we follow the logic in the sources, the 458 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:10,079 energy manipulation was so intense that it generated a self contained, 459 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,519 temporary alternate existence around the ship. 460 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: Think of it as a transient, non Euclidean space that 461 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,160 was for a time protected from the laws of our universe. 462 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:22,400 The ultimate tragedy, then, the grotesque human toll, would be 463 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,839 the failure to maintain a clean separation between that hyperspace 464 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,319 bubble and the standard physical reality of the ship and 465 00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,920 the people inside it when it came back. The boundary 466 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,119 collapsed during the return journey, and the results were devastating. 467 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: That makes the leap from the initial successful invisibility of 468 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:41,200 that smaller tender to the catastrophe of the Eldridge, a 469 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,880 transition from manipulating waves to actively manipulating the dimensionality of 470 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,680 space time itself. It sounds like they accidentally achieved what 471 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,960 the ISS scientists were only theorizing about, but without any 472 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,599 of the necessary control systems. 473 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, the success of the initial invisibility cloak likely gave 474 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,200 them a huge dose false confidence. They believe the math 475 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,839 for dimensional folding was sound, but they completely underestimated the 476 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,480 energy required and critically, the energy's interaction with biological matter. 477 00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,160 The source suggests that the field, when it was pushed 478 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,359 to the level needed for this hyperspace displacement, it stopped 479 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,559 being just an electromagnetic shroud and it began to interact 480 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,359 with the fundamental molecular structure of everything. It encompassed the ship, 481 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,359 the steel, and the flesh of the crew. 482 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: And now we have to focus on the darkest, most 483 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,680 enduring part of this entire story, the devastating and lasting 484 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,240 impact on the crew, the human toll, is what solidified 485 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,559 Project Rainbows shift from a military secret into a chilling, 486 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,640 persistent legend. 487 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,759 Speaker 2: The official accounts years and decades later acknowledged very little, 488 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:46,200 of course, but the consistent testimonies from alleged former sailors 489 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,920 and later investigators. They paint a truly disturbing picture of 490 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,400 the survivors. Reports describe men who were confused, unable to stand, 491 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:58,960 mentally and temporally disoriented, and completely unaware of their surroundings. 492 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,839 Some were reportedly screaming about seeing things that weren't there. 493 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,279 This points to a profound, lasting neurological and physical shock 494 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,920 caused by exposure to conditions the human nervous system simply 495 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,480 couldn't process or integrate. 496 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: And then we get to the core horrifying allegation that 497 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,000 pushed the experiment fully into the realm of legend, the 498 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,680 claim that crew members were found to have been partially 499 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,440 embedded into the metal structures of the ship. It's an 500 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,279 image of just profound horror. It suggests that during that 501 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:31,279 moment of dimensional collapse and rematerialization, the boundaries between their 502 00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:33,559 living bodies and the solid metal of the vessel had 503 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:37,519 temporarily dissolved, resulting in this grotesque merging of flesh and steel. 504 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,039 Speaker 2: And that is the ultimate catastrophic failure point. It's the 505 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:45,799 physical manifestation of that boundary collapse. We were just talking about, 506 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,720 why did this idea of the field interfering with physical 507 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,440 matter itself become the center of the whole mystery, because 508 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,039 it suggests that the energy field was so powerful it 509 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,839 momentarily dissolved the molecular bonds, or at least the interdimensionalle 510 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,039 lifelationship between the atoms of the crew and the atoms 511 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:05,559 of the ship. So when the ship snapped back into 512 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:09,640 normal four dimensional reality, the two materials, one living, one inert, 513 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:12,880 were partially intermingled and then fixed in that state. 514 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,039 Speaker 1: That implies the forces involved were not just electromagnetic, they 515 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:20,039 were fundamentally capable of challenging things like the poly exclusion principle, 516 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,240 which dictates that no two electrons can occupy the same 517 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:26,279 quantum state. If the field was strong enough to bypass 518 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,880 that even for a moment. They were dealing with physics 519 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,920 that could genuinely be termed reality breaking. 520 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,039 Speaker 2: Exactly, and the human system, the sources conclude, could not 521 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,680 handle this transient entanglement. The consequences weren't just physical embedding. 522 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,359 Some reports suggested Sailor's experience instantaneous combustion, while others were 523 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,200 said to be permanently stuck in a state of dimensional displacement, 524 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,319 only periodically fading back into visibility. The sheer intensity of 525 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:55,720 the claims in the source material regarding the crew's condition, 526 00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:01,279 from psychological shock to physical intermingling. It just underscores the 527 00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,720 idea that the power levels they unleashed vastly exceeded any 528 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:06,119 control mechanisms they had. 529 00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,039 Speaker 1: Now, it is critical, as we reached the end of this, 530 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,640 to ground this back in what we know the Navy 531 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,079 was actually doing in that era, which is verifiable. Researchers 532 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,559 decades later confirmed that the Navy was indeed conducting highly 533 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:21,319 classified work involving real technologies in the nineteen forties, things 534 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,079 like degassing, which is minimizing a ship's magnetic signature to 535 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,920 protect it against magnetic. 536 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:31,839 Speaker 2: Minds, radar countermeasures, and various electromagnetic protection systems. These are real, documented, 537 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,000 necessary military projects that required high levels. 538 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: Of secrecy, and that verifiable reality is precisely why the 539 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:42,599 legend persists and holds such power, isn't it. The Philadelphia 540 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:47,400 experiment remains this unique, deeply unsettling mix of highly documented 541 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:53,000 naval research which necessitated wartime classification, and the extreme completely 542 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:57,599 unconfirmed testimony regarding dimensional experiments involving Tesla and Einstein. 543 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:01,039 Speaker 2: The intense secrecy around the legitimate parts of the project, 544 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,559 the degassing and early radar cloaking, It provided the perfect 545 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,000 cover and the perfect fuel for the more mind bending 546 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,039 dimensional claims. Because the Navy refuses to confirm even the basics, 547 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,599 the questions about the extremes remain wide open decades and 548 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,359 decades later. 549 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,799 Speaker 1: So if we step back and look at the entire 550 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,759 narrative arc presented in the sources, it's a clear and 551 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,160 terrifying progression of unchecked technological ambition driven by the pressures 552 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,559 of war. 553 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we started this journey with a theoretical groundwork being 554 00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,720 laid at the Institute for Advanced Study focused on mastering 555 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:35,279 space time with time matrixes and five dimensional reality, which 556 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:37,759 was then allegedly proven on a small scale with that 557 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,480 de materializing ash tray, and that. 558 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: Proof led directly to the successful tactical invisibility tests of 559 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,000 Project Rainbow on that smaller two hundred and fifty ton tender. 560 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,119 Speaker 2: But the hunger for a tactical advantage drove the scientists 561 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,880 and the Navy to ignore the human toll, leading to 562 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,480 the high stakes naval experiment on the USS Eldridge and 563 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:01,519 that test power to unprecedented levels allegedly tore the ship 564 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,720 and its crew completely out of known space time, placing 565 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:08,680 them into an artificial, non Earth reality with a devastating, 566 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,680 grotesque human cost when they returned. 567 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,319 Speaker 1: The story progresses from the desire for a simple tactical 568 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,160 edge a ship that's invisible to radar, to claims of 569 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,799 achieving accidental chaotic control over time and space, and it 570 00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:23,799 resulted in the horrific entanglement of sailors with the ship's 571 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:27,400 own metal structures. It really stands as a profound, chilling, 572 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,720 cautionary tale about pushing technology past the boundary of our 573 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,240 current understanding. 574 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: Especially when that boundary is physical reality itself and the 575 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,720 pressure is being driven by immediate military necessity. The progression 576 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,319 shows the terrifying speed at which ambition can turn a 577 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,079 scientific experiment into an existential crisis, and that. 578 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: Leaves us with a final provocative thought for you to consider. 579 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,759 Drawing directly from the trajectory we've analyzed today, the accounts 580 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:56,599 we've reviewed present a detailed, though contested timeline where some 581 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,480 of the twentieth century's most brilliant minds briefly achieved a 582 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,680 kind of control over physical reality. So, if this technology 583 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,839 capable of shifting objects in humans between physical states and 584 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,440 potentially across time were perfected today and the risks of 585 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,000 catastrophe were reduced. What is the ethical line? Should humanity 586 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,720 prioritize the immense world changing advantages it offers for tactics 587 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,440 and travel, or would the demonstrated risk of fundamentally compromising 588 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:25,880 human biology and physical reality mandate absolute containment, maybe even 589 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,000 immediate destruction of the technology. What do you believe is 590 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,559 the ethical maximum for scientific experimentation when the risk involves 591 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:35,519 literally shattering the fabric of reality itself. Let us know 592 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:36,039 your thoughts.