WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.520 Before we dive in, here's another show you can enjoy 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:04.879 in the True Story FM family of entertainment. 3 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:07.839 Podcast, What's Up, Most Excellent Friends. 4 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:11.599 It's Christy and Nathan from the Most Excellent Eighties Movies Podcast. 5 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:14.919 It's a podcast where a filmmaker and a comedian and. 6 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:16.640 Their most excellent guests. 7 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:18.960 Adventure their way through the eighties movies we think we 8 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:21.920 love or might have missed with our grown up eyes 9 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.440 to see how they hold up. 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A 23 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.359 show a week exam extrapolate and excavate the scariest movie 24 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:02.799 of all time. 25 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.959 Each episode covers a single minute of William Friedkin's nineteen 26 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.159 seventy three horror masterpiece, The Exorcist. 27 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.680 If you like deep dives, this show is the deepest. 28 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.560 Did you know the film's iconic theme song, Jubular Bells 29 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:15.519 wasn't written specifically for the movie. 30 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:17.719 Or that the nineteen seventy three audience members were throwing 31 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:19.760 up and fainting in the theater before they ever got 32 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:20.519 a glimpse of the demon. 33 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:23.480 What about all the crazy onset mishaps, cast injuries the 34 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:25.439 director of firing real guns. 35 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:27.239 Ever wonder where weiji boards came from or how they 36 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.079 got their name. How about some history on the Catholic 37 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:31.719 Church or the Roman rite of exorcism, or maybe we 38 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:34.359 can tempt you with some juicy demonology, lourd, did you 39 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.799 know that Bazuzu had an ex wife? Find the Exorcist 40 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:39.120 Minute on iTunes or Spotify or wherever you listen to 41 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.000 your shows, or at the Exorcist Minute dot com. Until 42 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:43.079 next time, folks. 43 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:44.920 The power of the Exorcist compels you. 44 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.879 Hello, Superhero Ethics fans, I'm Matthew. I'm your host. As 45 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:54.560 this is coming to you at the holiday time, We 46 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:56.879 and the crew at Superhero Ethics are taking the week off, 47 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.599 taking the holidays off, but we wanted to rebroadcast one 48 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.519 of our fasavorite episodes, very relevant for the time, an 49 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.040 episode specifically about Christmas movies. What are they about, what qualifies, 50 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.240 why do we love them? And what are the questions 51 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:11.479 they raise? So please enjoy this episode. I hope you're 52 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.759 enjoying the holidays, whatever you celebrate, and have a happy 53 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:14.120 New Year. 54 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:17.560 Before we dive in, here's another show you can enjoy 55 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:21.080 in the True Story FM Family of Entertainment podcast. Hey 56 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:23.360 there are true Believers. Andy Nelson here from the Marvel 57 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:25.840 Movie Minute podcast with the rest of the team mate right, 58 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:27.360 Kyle Wilson. 59 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.159 Rob Cobosco, and Matthew Fox. 60 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.639 This is the podcast where we dissect the Marvel Cinematic Universe, 61 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.599 one minute at a time, exploring every detail of this 62 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:37.719 epic superhero franchise. 63 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.719 From the nods to the comics to the electrifying performances. 64 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:44.199 We've had a blast diving into every aspect of the MCU. 65 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.240 Right from the start, we're talking about them having to 66 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.000 earn their wizards, and I think we've made a good 67 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:50.879 argument that they do. 68 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.159 We have our favorite recurring bits like five stars or 69 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:57.520 spar because every character deserves their moments in the spotlight. 70 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.479 Oh, Kyle, you know, speaking of spotlights, did you know 71 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:04.960 that the term advertisement actually comes from the Latin advertire, 72 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.159 meaning to turn toward. That's exactly the kind of fascinating 73 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:11.439 detail we love to uncover on the show. 74 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:14.319 But it's not all trivia and recurring bits. We also 75 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:17.199 dive deep into the ethical dilemmas our hero's face. Loki 76 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.400 alone provides enough material for a whole season on superhero morality, 77 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:22.360 not to mention that I can't wait till we get 78 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:23.080 to civil war. 79 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:24.080 In our season. 80 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:25.680 Looking at iron Man three, we're going. 81 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:26.520 To mix things up a bit. 82 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:28.840 That's right, Rob and I are your guide, but instead 83 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:31.439 of our usual minute by minute format, we dive into 84 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:34.000 five minutes of the film in each weekly episode. 85 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.039 It's a totally new approach, but one that still allows 86 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.080 us to explore all the depth and detail that makes 87 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.479 these movies so special, even if iron Man three isn't 88 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:44.960 all that's special. 89 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.759 Hold on, that's where you're wrong, extremists, Shane. 90 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:52.199 Black, Yeah, would you like to look at the Mandarin 91 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:53.159 and Maya Hanson? 92 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:57.520 So, whether you're a die hard Marvel fan or just 93 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.919 love deep dives into movies. 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There wasn't. 128 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:20.600 Robert didn't there els one? 129 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.959 It was Timper, That was Elizabeth hur He go down 130 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:23.959 to Georgia and something. 131 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.519 Hello and welcome to the special Holiday edition of the 132 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.759 Superhero Ethics Podcast. Today we are talking about one of 133 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:45.720 the most controversial ethics ridden always a debate about it 134 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.800 genre of movies, the Christmas movie. We're gonna be discussing 135 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:51.720 what is a Christmas movie? What are some of our 136 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.839 favorite or least favorite examples, what needs to happen or 137 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.720 shouldn't need to happen? And why is this such an 138 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:02.680 incredibly strong genre for one particular holiday of one particular 139 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.160 religion in this country and to some extent all around 140 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.560 the world. And joining me, I have two different experts. 141 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.519 First of all, I have Abbie Nyman, who has been 142 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.439 on this podcast a number of times before and is 143 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:19.040 a Christmas movie expert extraordinaire. Abbe you want to say 144 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:20.759 hello and just give a little bit of your background. 145 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:23.319 Hi, I don't know that I would go with Christmas 146 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:28.040 movie extraordinaire, but certainly a Hallmark movie a fishnado. 147 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.639 Okay, Well, that's a very particular shub genre that often 148 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:33.519 has thought of as part of the you know, the 149 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:35.560 how that plays in the large genre is very much 150 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.560 the topic we'll we're getting into. And uh Andy, what 151 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:41.720 is I think of you as just a film guru? 152 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.040 Say it about who you are and what your perspective is. 153 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.600 Yeah, I, you know, as a passionate lover of film, 154 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:50.519 you know, with you know, our film podcasting that we 155 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.519 do over on the next reel and all of our shows, 156 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.240 I see such a wide variety of movies, and I 157 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:02.120 certainly do and always have loved Christmas movie. But as 158 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:04.720 as I've gotten older, and I guess as the genre 159 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:08.639 has broadened in so many ways, I do find that 160 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.800 I'm I'm you know, I I have a particular I 161 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:14.839 like a lot of them. I just don't I'm not 162 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.399 like any Christmas movie I'll take. But I do like 163 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.199 quite a variety, and I always like that it does 164 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:25.079 create such such a variety of interesting debates. I mean, 165 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:30.720 you know, I grew up in a loosely religious household. 166 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.279 I guess that's fair to say loosely, you know, Christian 167 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:39.000 based household, never very strong, and certainly is something that's 168 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.560 faded in in my life as I've as I've grown, 169 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:47.480 I to the point where I wouldn't even call myself religious. 170 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:52.560 I not being said, I I think that there. It's 171 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:58.000 what I enjoy about the season itself is that it 172 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.439 just is a warm and well coming season that feels 173 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.199 like it's something that's you know, it's close to the 174 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:08.279 end of the year, and so that, paired with New 175 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:14.160 Year's always feel like a period to like, you know, 176 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:18.040 reflect and you know, be surrounded by friends and family 177 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:21.639 and gear up for the big shift that is the 178 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:26.439 new year and all of those resolutions that you have 179 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:27.360 and all that sort of stuff. 180 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:28.360 So I suppose that's. 181 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.040 Kind of my draw to it still, you know, I mean, 182 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.919 we still hang some decorations up on the house and 183 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:38.519 things like that. I'm very minimal compared to many people 184 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:41.840 these days, but it's one of those things where it's 185 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:44.120 just there's a vibe that I think, you know, we've 186 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.080 always kind of connected with. 187 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:48.720 Yeah, well, and I love what you said, because I 188 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.600 think you're getting at something that I think is actually 189 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:53.919 a very important part of you know, the question of 190 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.840 Christmas in general, but especially of Christmas movies and also 191 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.159 like music, and how big it a role it plays 192 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.480 in our culture, say our United States, but also in 193 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:05.279 many parts of the world. Certainly not all though, which 194 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.759 is that for many people, Christmas is now much more 195 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:09.679 of a secular holiday, and that it is, you know, 196 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:12.320 it kind of has these religious overtones, but it's much 197 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:16.120 more about family and togetherness and generosity and light and 198 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.279 hope in the midst of darkness and sadness and things 199 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:23.720 like that. And kind of give my own background. I 200 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.240 am a Christian, I'm a religious person, a person of faith. 201 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.559 I used to be a pastor, and I've always had 202 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:31.879 kind of a weird relationship to Christmas media. From the 203 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.120 other perspective, which is that for me, this holiday is 204 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.000 a very very theological one, and I absolutely don't care 205 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.159 if anybody else doesn't, you know, appreciate that, Like, no 206 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.080 one has to celebrate my religious holiday by any means, 207 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:49.159 and I love that everybody has a holiday about gift 208 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:52.120 giving and secularness and trees and all this, but it's 209 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.080 always been kind of weird to me that all this 210 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.360 stuff that I know is the basis of the holiday, 211 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.440 which again I don't ever want to like, we shouldn't 212 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:00.320 have a public holiday that's out there. It's all like 213 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:02.720 Jesus is born. Everyone in the country has to care 214 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:05.600 about it, but I certainly care about it, and so 215 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:08.080 it's always been a little weird to me that all 216 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:10.799 these movies are much more about like the one level 217 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.360 of derivation or even two or three levels of derivation 218 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.879 from that. And thus I think it is very funny 219 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:17.960 that one of the movies that we watched to get 220 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.600 ready for this is the one of the most theological 221 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.240 movies that I've seen a very long time about Christmas 222 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.679 from a source I would have never expected it from, 223 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.200 which we'll get to when we talk about our own 224 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:30.879 individual movies. But so that's way. But I certainly have 225 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.919 always loved Christmas movies, I think, particularly those that I 226 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.840 think while not in any way being explicitly and it's 227 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:39.840 not again, I don't want there to be mass market 228 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.600 movies that are Christian, Like, my faith is my faith 229 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:44.480 and should not be what everyone has to deal with. 230 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:46.720 But it's just weird to me that there's stuff based 231 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:50.759 on my faith but not really. But I do love 232 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.480 the like the messages that often of the season, of 233 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.039 like family coming together or of like you know, the 234 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:00.559 you know generosity. As one of my favorite memes of 235 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:04.519 this time is that the Christmas Carol perfectly captures the 236 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.000 Christmas spirit, which is that billionaires must be supernaturally terrified 237 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.639 in order to be nice to their workers, you know, 238 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:12.200 but like, you know, whatever it is, I love that. 239 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.519 So so let's actually start there and Amby, I'll start 240 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:18.799 with you what is a Christmas movie? What what makes 241 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.600 something a Christmas movie? 242 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:23.039 I mean, it's always such a debate. And you know, 243 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:27.320 there are there are movies that are clearly obviously Christmas movies, 244 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:31.240 you know, things that involve Santa Claus or you know, 245 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.720 people coming together and like the family. And I think 246 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:38.200 when you think of Christmas movies that are like definitive 247 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:42.639 Christmas movies, it's the setting. It takes place like during 248 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.799 the season, it's a story about family and relationships. It 249 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.440 often involves actual like Christmas elements that we kind of 250 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:55.039 tie into it, whether secular or religious, you know, but 251 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.000 just usually it's it's the movies tend to be a 252 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.679 little more on the secular side as far as like 253 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:04.039 it's about Santa Claus and the reindeer on the roof 254 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:06.600 and hanging up Christmas lights and things like that, and 255 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:10.840 I think that's kind of I don't know where I 256 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:14.080 would go with kind of your typical Christmas movie, and 257 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.799 they certainly come in all shapes and sizes. You know, 258 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.120 you look at something like Christmas Vacation, which takes the 259 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:25.000 vacation franchise and ties the comedy of the Griswolds into family, 260 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:31.120 but it's very specifically their Christmas story. And then you have, 261 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:36.480 you know, broader ones that kind of explore things like Elf, 262 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:39.120 and you know, it's I mean, there's a lot of 263 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.440 comedy with those, and there's romantic comedy, and you know, 264 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.799 there certainly is the drama ones and things like Miracle 265 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:48.080 on thirty fourth straight about you know, reinforcing your belief 266 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.440 in Santa Claus. And so that's I think for me, 267 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.120 I'd say the definitive, easy to define, easy check box, 268 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.600 even easy checkbox Christmas, you know, as opposed to things 269 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.200 like die Hard, which, as you brought up, brings so 270 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:04.600 much more debate into it. 271 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.960 Abby, What about for you, what makes something a Christmas movie? 272 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:10.399 Yeah? 273 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.039 I think kind of along the same lines. To me, 274 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:17.039 it's the plot has to be affected by it being Christmas, 275 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.759 whether that's a story about Santa or you know, have 276 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.279 people hanging up the lights on their house or whatever. 277 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:30.879 It's there has to be some connection to Christmas other 278 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.200 than this is a movie happening at Christmas, and the 279 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.720 fact that it's happening at Christmas makes absolutely no difference. 280 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:43.440 I'll a die Hard so for you, so that can 281 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.200 be start to get in the question. So for you, 282 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.519 something like die Hard or Batman Returns, those are not 283 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.120 Christmas movies because they just they have this sort of 284 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.639 accoutrement of Christmas, but the christmasness isn't a fundamental part 285 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:55.879 of the movie. 286 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.000 Yes, are we starting our debates now or should we 287 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:00.600 save that? 288 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.679 I think let's here, here's the way I want to 289 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.919 get into it. I want us to try and go 290 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.320 through and see if we can name and then discuss 291 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.200 a bit what we think the different subgenres of Christmas 292 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.639 movies are. And I think when we I think one 293 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.000 of the possible subgenres is movies that just take place 294 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:23.960 at Christmas time, and so that's when we can get 295 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.639 into that one. Sure, So let me kind of just 296 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:28.399 throw some out and then you all can also add 297 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:29.759 ones that you don't think I have, but also just 298 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:31.759 like let's talk about each one as I name them. So, 299 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:33.440 first of all, I think kind of the most basic 300 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:36.519 is what you're talking about. Andy. I think your definitely 301 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.519 is actually named a couple ones, but I'll kind of 302 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:42.440 try to summarize those quickly. I think there is the 303 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:46.240 family coming together because the family or the friends or 304 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.480 someone like that are celebrating Christmas, and the spirit of 305 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:54.519 Christmas is like a part of that. A second thing 306 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.320 I think you mentioned is the you know, the movie 307 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.799 is about the sort of characterizations that have been built 308 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.320 up around Christmas, and that's Santa Claus and Elves and 309 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:08.720 some of the other kind of like maybe supernaturally things 310 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:12.879 around that. And then a third one that I mentioned, 311 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.720 and what kind of start with these three is basically 312 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.399 retellings of either a Christmas Carol or It's a Wonderful Life, 313 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.120 which I think at this point kind of constitutes its 314 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:27.279 own subgenre with a lot of overlap. More thoughts on 315 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:29.480 those three. Do those three like make sense you all 316 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:34.320 as genres? Yeah, I mean I think so. 317 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:38.240 I think there's there. I mean, I mean even just 318 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:41.200 looking at film genres in general and then going okay, 319 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.320 can I apply these over to Christmas movies and then 320 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:47.279 I think, yes, you can see how they're they do 321 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:49.600 kind of fit in with those different things, you know, 322 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.559 I mean I think, I mean, there are certainly more examples. 323 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:57.240 You know, there are very religious Christmas films, things like 324 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.360 the Nativity Story. I mean, those also exist a genre 325 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.559 that we're probably not gonna spend too much time talking about, 326 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:05.200 as fun as it is. But there are plenty of 327 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:07.919 horror Christmas films, which yep, you know, I just watched 328 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.120 Violent Night last night and had a wonderful time with 329 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:17.360 it and and so it was also sorry, and you know, musicals, 330 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.360 animated films. I mean, there's so many different ways that 331 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.919 you can approach this. But I think, you know, in 332 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.279 the broad scope, like there's the comedy, the drama. You know, 333 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.360 there's there's a few of those that I think will 334 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:29.960 work well. And yeah, I think I think you're right. 335 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.480 The telling of you know, Charles Dickens. A Christmas Carol 336 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:39.720 has become so key in just kind of Christmas lore. 337 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:44.159 Let's just say that it almost is a genre as 338 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:46.639 like into its own, as you said, like, there are 339 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.320 so many versions of it, reiterations of it, even something 340 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:53.399 like I'm blanking on the name of it. But the 341 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:57.360 Will Ferrell Ryan Reynolds one that just came out last 342 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.200 year is in some way another version of that, where 343 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.759 you know, the character actually is of a user Scrooge 344 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:06.240 later in life, you know, and things like that. So 345 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:12.519 it's it's interesting how that really has become so defining 346 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:15.799 of kind of the Christmas character arc. 347 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.000 Really right, And there are certainly a lot of good 348 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.680 There are certainly a lot of retellings of a Christmas 349 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.680 Carol out there, but I feel like the category should 350 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:31.400 be maybe larger to also encompass like Christmas lore in general, 351 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:34.079 because you get a lot of movies about like how 352 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:38.519 Santa became a thing, like Klaus or like Rootolph the 353 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:43.079 Red Nose Reindeer. Those are all very connected to Christmas, 354 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:47.519 and you see a lot of retellings or different interpretations, 355 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:50.279 but they aren't a Christmas Carol. 356 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:52.880 One thing I was thinking is I mentioned It's a 357 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.720 Wonderful Life as part of this, and certainly I don't 358 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:57.279 know if this is still true, but it used to 359 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.599 be that starting around December fifth, there was never a 360 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:02.920 point in the twenty four hours of the day every 361 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.279 day from that until Christmas, but there wasn't at least 362 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:11.200 one channel showing It's a Wonderful Life. And as I 363 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.880 think about it, I can think of numerous TV shows 364 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:18.880 that have had a character have sometimes very explicitly, sometimes 365 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.880 kind of as a parody, their own version of the 366 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.720 It's a Wonderful Life Christmas story. I don't know that 367 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:27.160 many movies have there been movies that you all can 368 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:29.519 think of that are retellings of it It's a Wonderful Life, 369 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:32.119 or people kind of thought like Jimmy Stewart did best 370 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:33.160 and let's just leave it alone. 371 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:37.279 Well, I mean, there's all you know. As we were 372 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:39.559 recording this, there's a brand new one that has just 373 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:43.720 been released called It's a Wonderful Knife, which is the 374 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:46.839 It's the horror comedy version of that that's made by 375 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:51.400 the people who did like the New Freaked, you know, 376 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.079 and the kind of like this, there's that group of 377 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.559 people who's taking like some classic genres like they did 378 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:00.039 the Groundhog Day and now that's Happy Death Day. And 379 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.960 they're turning these these great like key films and turning 380 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.160 them into horror. And so that's the newest one. I'm 381 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.880 trying to think if there are any other abbey you 382 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:12.680 might know of some I'm trying to think of any I. 383 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:16.039 Can't really think of any movies. Yeah, I can come 384 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.480 up with like probably five to ten TV shows off 385 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:20.279 the top of my head. 386 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.759 M h yeah, and some where they did quite seriously 387 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:26.880 Married with Children did a parody of it where Sam 388 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.279 Kinnison is the angel, which is hilarious. I think like 389 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.440 Featurama have done it. But yeah, not too many movies. 390 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:36.880 Oh you know, actually, would you say the Nicholas Cage 391 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.880 movie The Family Man? That's my recollection of that one 392 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:45.599 is kind of similar, Like, yeah, I guess he's remembering 393 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:47.559 or he sees a different version of his life where 394 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:51.160 he's married because he was like a stone cold businessman 395 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.880 sort of thing. That's one that comes to mind the 396 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:56.759 only one that's actually coming to my mind right now. 397 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.960 Yeah, I think that's fair. That's fair. I'll also mention good, 398 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:05.079 go ahead, I'll say I'll also mentioned as another subgenre 399 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.640 that probably explore too much, but it's worth naming because 400 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:10.319 as far as I can tell, it's fairly recent. I 401 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.920