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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host?

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DJ leaves all right, we get ready for a lighter weekend.

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Hey it's August. There's not a ton going on, but

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his substack on the website and the newsletter great insider information,

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exclusive content on the substack. Always good to be with you.

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We got a lot of news, not a lot of fights.

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We do have something to preview. We got a lot

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of news. How are you feeling as the summer rolls on?

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Hot hot everywhere? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Everything good, Everything's good. Been busy, surprisingly not because of

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the fights that are taking place, but because there's been

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a lot of things taking place. The plan fights that

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Speaker 2: Which like when your inbox suddenly says Jake Paul Tank Davis,

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which we will get to and we will talk about.

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Thank you for finding us. As we preview going into

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the weekends. We typically recap coming off the weekends. It's summer,

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we have less fights at the moment. It'll ramp up

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more once we get out of Labor Day weekend, but

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we usually preview going into the weekend, recap coming off

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the weekend, Apple Spreaker, Spotify, rate us and review us people.

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That helps us out. Also find the Big Fight Weekend

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YouTube channel for original content. There your interview with Terrence Crawford,

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which is pretty much right now one of the few

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interviews with him out there right now prior to this

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Canelo Alvarez fight. Go find Dan and Terrence Crawford on

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the YouTube page and the other nostalgia content, etc. Stay

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engaged with us there. We do a lot of live content,

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different content on YouTube. With that. The most significant card,

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at least in the United States is in Orlando, Florida.

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It is the most valuable promotions card. It is a

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double header. We have flyweights, we have junior middleweights. We

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have Yankiel Rivera, we have Yolanis Tellez. They are both

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in action in separate fights. So let's get underway right there.

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Tell me more about Rivera. His opponent is Angelino Cordova.

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It is dear God Rayfield. It's for the WBA Interim

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flyweight title. Here we go with that again, tell me

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more about this matchup in the preview lup.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's more than a double header. There's other fights

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on the show MVP has actually put together. I mean,

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the main two fights are the ones that I'm going

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to talk about with Rivera and Cordova and Tees against Beru,

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but they also have the women's a lightweight one of

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the champions, Stephanie Han is defending. He got the lightweight

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eliminator with Lucas Body, who people know probably best from

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the massive knockout of ashen Stove, but he's been winning

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ever since then. Also Jamine Ortiz former title challenges on

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the card. So they got a bunch of other fights.

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And as a matter of fact, this is at that

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caribroy Alan Orlando that I'm sure you're aware of, where

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it has been hosting a lot of fights over the

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last couple of years. Not only does MVP have this

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main card that they're doing on Saturday, they have one

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of their prospect cards on Friday night at the same location,

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so it's like MVP Weekend. I guess you could say

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the prospect card. The most interesting thing to me, just

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in terms of that real quick is that is that's

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the show on which the United States Olympian from twenty

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twenty four, Jamal Harvey, who recently signed with MVP. He's

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a junior LEGWA He's gonna make his pro debut, twenty

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two year old kid from actually my neck of the woods.

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He's from oxen Hill, Maryland, which is, you know, probably

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less than half an hour from where I am, right

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over the river into Maryland in any event, So that

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that's taking place on the Friday night, but the main

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fights on the Saturday. Look, we can bust chops all

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we want about the fact that Rivera and Cordova is

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for the vacant interim WBA Flyway title and that the

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Tees Baru fight is Tyas defending his interim WBA Druamid

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Away title. These belts are preposterous. They should not exist.

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Speaker 2: But the madlaw I know, I keep saying that, but

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go ahead.

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Speaker 1: But the matchups themselves, which is really the reason why

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they're happening. So on the one hand, it's shitty at

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their interim belts, but on the other hand, these are

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actually two pretty solid matchups. They probably would not happen

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if it weren't for these belts being at stake. So

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you can kind of look at the glass half empty

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or look at the glass half fall whatever. But in

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terms of Rivera, he was a Puerto Rican Olympic He

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recently signed with MVP. He had been with Matchroom Boxing.

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an opportunity to fight an experienced fighter in Cordovo's a

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Venezuelan fighter who was undefeated. He's nineteen oh to one,

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probably best known. And this was a hell of a fight.

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bloodbath that took place in March at the Timobil Arena.

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was then the WBC Flyway title holder, and Cordova lost

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a really close majority decision. This was an action pack,

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slug fe tremendous fight he lost. Eventually, the fight was

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turned over to a no contest because Martinez had failed

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the drug test for a band dioretic. You know, I

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think it was really more of a weight loss situation.

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so now he's here to give Yank Keelle Rivera a

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good test. I feel like, you know, from what I've

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seen of Yank Killer Rivera, a little bit of a slicker,

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more technical boxer with that amateur background. But Cordobo comes

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to bring the heat and fight could be a fun fight.

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So that's the main event. Again, it's not the biggest

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fight in the world that are fighting for this interim

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belt sobeit and then in the other fight, theez Jo Nstaas,

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who I had on my prospect list at the end

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of last year, who I've been a huge fan of

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since I first saw him. He's ten and oh, he's

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an outstanding young fighter. Again, should he have an interim

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titled that's you know, we could debate that all day long.

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twenty five. He's a Cuban fighter that had good experience

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he had. He lives in Stafford, Texas, right outside of Houston.

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He'd been training for his career with Ronnie Shields, one

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of the best trainers in boxing. You know, probable Hall

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of Famers someday for whatever reason. And I don't know

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the exact reason why, but he's not training with Ronnie

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for this particular fight. They they split it. I don't

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think even like let Ronnie know because and the reason

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was in the process of being made, I actually I

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texted Ronnie. I said, Hey, Ronnie, what's the word? Is

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this fight happening? And he goes, I don't know. I'm

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not with you. I'm not with Teas anymore. Okay, he's

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now with the trainer. Yeah, really, So I kind of

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felt embarrassed about that, But Ronnie's a cool dude. He

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wasn't offended by it or anything. It's not Ronnie's first

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rodeo put it like that. So Tea is again excellent

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young talent. He's training now with Edward Jackson.

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Speaker 2: I saw him last October at this venue, scoring knockout

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on the undercart of them martaz elaiev Ko of Tim

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zuh October in Orlando last year. And you have been

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high on him in trend Town. I guess the real

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question is is this boss bahru is does he pose?

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Speaker 2: Do we know much about him? As he posed much

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of at here or should tas role that's the question.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Borrow is a real guy. I mean,

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just to go back, I mean, even though tay has

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only has the ten fights as a professional, he's got

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the seven knockouts. When he won this interim belt, a

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vacant interim belt, at least, he did it against a

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name guy, now, not a guy that was at the

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top of his game anymore. But he did score a

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very lopsided decision over Julian jay Rock Williams. So I

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mean for a younger fighter like him, that's not a

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bad win. You know again, Jay Rock may not be

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what he was at his best, but he's still a

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capable professional. So that that's you got to look positively

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on his performance in that fight. In terms of Baru,

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he is sixteen and one with nine knockouts. He fights

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out of Germany, He's won like seven fights in a row.

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than Tayas has coming overseas to do it. I mean,

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probably a whatever the fans are there, I'm sure they'll

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be cheering for the Cuban being at the fights in Florida. Yeah.

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So again, I think that the matchups are fine. It's

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just the title aspect irritates me. But as I mentioned,

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they probably wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the

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belt because in terms of like Beret Baru, I think

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he's like, it's like a mandatory type fight. So you know,

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it is what it is. But you know, in a

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light weekend, I'm watching the usk as any day of

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the week, and you know what, the prospects card that

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they have the night before has got a few guys

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on it, this and that. But I'm I'm I'm interested

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to see Jamal Harvey turn pro. I mean it's always

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you know, interesting to watch them make their pro bow.

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I don't expect it to be competitive or you know,

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to him to be in much danger. He you know,

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of interest. He is turning pro in a six round

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fight as opposed to the typical four round fight, which

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that that amateur experience, even though he's not an older fighter,

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he's only twenty two. But it shows you the type

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of confidence I have to put him into a six

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right off the bat. So you know that that's your

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you know, if you're into it, that's that's what there is.

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here we go, Here we go, Jake Paul and whatever

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this is gonna be with Jervonte Tank Davis. Now, when

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last we were discussing Davis, he we did cover this.

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He was under investigation, we'll put it that way, for

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another domestic violence situation. Those charges have been dropped, so

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now he's available to fight. And you had said to

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us before when Jake Paul was trying to figure out

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what the next fight would be and was dealing with

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possible do we say air quotes fight exhibition? What are

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Speaker 1: This is an exhibition.

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Speaker 2: It's an exhibition. And you said months ago, two or

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three months ago, this was on the radar.

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Speaker 1: Ja, it wasn't just on the radar, my friend, it

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was it was a okay, So Jake Paul showed up

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ringside up our play center on the night that Tank

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had the fight with Lamont Roach that turned out to

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be the draw. Now I reported this after the fact,

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but I was the first to report it was that

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fight was agreed to, maybe it wasn't signed, but they

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had all everything. All the ducks were in a row,

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as they say, had he emerged from that fight victorious,

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that fight would have taken place like either like late

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in the spot. I mean that fight was March first

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when he fought against against Lamont Roach. So they were

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looking at May to do the fight between Jake and

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and Tank, and it was it was good to go.

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So but when the draw happened, Tank's a proud guy.

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I guess he invoked his right to the rematch and

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everybody involved, both sides. I talked to both camps. They

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were trying to get the order you know, where and

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when and all that was supposed to happen. But uh,

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the the financial aspects were done. It was in the

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original agreement. Lamont Roach's team was ready to go and

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PBC was making plans and originally was going to be

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at that point you're like, okay, what's going on. And

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then while all that's happening, and there's no official announcement,

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and it was signed because he had to exercise the

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contract rematch right, and they also had the deal that

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had parameters set out in the original agreement for the

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and he gets arrested for the incident that occurred on

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Father's Day. Now, as you mentioned that, that took a

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few weeks for them to go through the legal process

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or whatever. But when the woman who made the accusation

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said she's not going to prosecute and not going to testify,

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and there's no other witness, they have no case. So

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the charges got dropped. So whether he did it or

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he didn't do it, whatever, he ain't gonna pay any

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price for it because it's now, you know, been adjudicated

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to the point, not adjudicated in a courtroom. But they

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can't go forward, so she drops the case. So now

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he's free and clear and he's backfighting Jake Paul, who

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who had Over the last few weeks, there's been a

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lot of conversation. I don't know, you know, if it

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was down to like we're doing the fight, but a

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lot of discussion he's gonna fight Anthony Joshua. I find

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it fucking hilarious by the way, that on the one

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end of the spectrum you got Jake Paul talking about

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fighting with two hundred and forty pound former two time

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unified heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua. Ah, you know what, I'm

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gonna go fight one hundred and thirty now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, subtract one hundred pounds right now.

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Speaker 1: Had he fought Anthony Joshua, I mean I suspect given

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their size. Jake fought Tyson at two hundred and twenty

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seven pounds, Anthony Joshua's two hundred and you know, forty

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some pounds two fifty that would have been official fight,

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wouldn't have been an exhibition. But in boxing, obviously, as

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the old staying goes, weight classes were created for a reason.

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They're separated by about sixty five pounds. Tank is a

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thirty five pounder, has bought once at forty you know,

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a few years ago when he had to fight against

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Mario Barrios. J is you putting the Tyson situation aside?

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He's a two hundred pound fighter. That's a significant amount

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of weight. So they're going to do this as an

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exhibition they and I hate when promoters get cute with

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this shit. They didn't announce that in their in their announcement,

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and nobody wanted to answer the question. I spoke to

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people that are knowledgeable about their agreement and was told

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one hundred percent at least at the moment. Anyway, and

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maybe the Georgia Commission will have something to say about it.

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But it's an exhibition match. It's scheduled for ten rounds.

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What the weight situation, I'm not quite clear, but there

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will be a day of the fight weight check to

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make sure that Jake is not over a certain amount.

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I believe it's two hundred, I can't say for sure. Nonetheless,

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can I just intergecte this is happening? Can I interject

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a word? This thing is farcical. I'm not going to

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say what are we doing here? I get it.

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Speaker 2: This thing is farcical because the guy has been fighting

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at two hundred or plus pounds and the guy he's

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going to get in the ring with has been fighting

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at lightweight or maybe the one time at super lightweight,

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junior welterweight. They are easily sixty pounds apart.

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Speaker 1: That is conser more than just a sixty pounds. By

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this way, Jake Paul's about six foot six y one

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and tank, as I said to somebody, he's like five

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to five standing on a phone book. Yeah, so you know,

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so they're gonna be separated not only by a weight, but.

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Speaker 2: He also again, I mean, what what are we going

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to do for ten rounds here in an exhibition where

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one fighter is easily gonna be sixty pounds heavier than

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the other fighter. And I'm just saying on the front end,

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I've been consistent about this. I went, I was at

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the Julio Sesar Chavez main event in Anaheim. I was

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there for that. But at the point in time that

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we're doing farcical things, I'm out again. I'm out on this.

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I don't this is not I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I take I take a little bit of a different.

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I totally get it. I'm not I'm not mad about it.

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I get it. I understand the constant buy a lot

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of people. I'm nonplussed. I just I've been around a

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long time.

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Speaker 2: What is nonplussed is not.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just like whatever it is like slides

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off my back like you know, water off a duck's back.

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So I have opinions about it, but I'm gonna put

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it like, how about opinion?

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Speaker 2: How about this opinion? Should we not say directly that

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if Jake Paul says take me seriously as a boxer,

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we should laugh at him because he continues with things

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like this to demonstrate it's not take me seriously as

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a boxer. Don't take me seriously as a cruiserweight contender

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or trying to be a cruiserweight world champion. I'm in

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this for what it is, the oddity, the celebrity, and

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make the most money as possible. It's not about being

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a champion.

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Speaker 1: It's not about argue that point. Yeah, so I think,

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and I don't mean to put myself in Jake Paul's mind.

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The way I read it is the following. He'd like

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to fight actual fighters in and around his weight class.

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If he could make the same kind of big event

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in money.

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Speaker 2: Which is never going he could win. We know that

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never gonna happen, never gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: But but but the point is, and he said this, if

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you remember back, like, you know, a year and a

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half ago or so, he fought those back to back

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fights against actual boxers with sort of similar records who

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were completely unknown, a couple of guys that maybe had

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bull layoffs but had had amateur careers. And it was

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supposed to be like, I'm gonna do these types of

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fights to develop myself. He ended up getting you know,

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very nice knockouts, but the fights didn't register in terms

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of the story that he did against the UFC fighters

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or other guys. But here's the point, though, how could

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anybody get mad for a guy? And he said this,

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I want to develop myself and get in position to

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fight for a title. But if a other big event

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comes along where I can fill an arena or do

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a big event pay per viewer otherwise and sell a

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ton of tickets and make you know, tens of millions

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of dollars, how could you fault him?

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Speaker 2: Okay, but those are two different things. I know, I

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know you're not the defense attorney for the whole Pole situation.

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You're not trying to be, but it is It's clear

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they're in it for the money, for the publicity, and

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that's fine. All I'm saying, and this was the preface

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of what I said to you, stop saying this is

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about being a legitimate fighter. I'm trying to be a

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world champion.

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Speaker 1: Here's the other way though, that I know it's at

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I am not in any way irritated with the Jake

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Paul side of this thing, because I get it, and

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I you know, I've been steadfast. We've talked about all

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of his fights over the course of we've been doing

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this podcast for the last time. I've never been a

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hater on Jake Paul. We've had him on the podcast.

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I've enjoyed his events. You've gone to some of his events,

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So this is not about him. I get what he's doing.

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I have no problem with I've said it a thousand

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times boxing. There's a big enough tent to have this

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type of event as well as you know, the serious,

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you know, legitimate top level pound for pound caliber, championship

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level fights, you know, Tyson Furry, Alexander Usk, those types

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of events. Whatever. But I'm more irritated on the Tank

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Davis part of it. Now, Again, I don't fault him

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for making the money. I get it, That's that's what

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this is all about. I totally understand that it's going

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to be a big event. And by the way, the

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good thing for the for the boxing fans of the

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world are the casual sports fans that may be caught

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up in the hoopla. The good part of this is

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that it's on Netflix, similar to like Canelo and Crawford.

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So if you watch and it turns out to be

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a complete disaster and a trade, right, you're all You're

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out is your time.

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Speaker 2: You didn't.

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Speaker 1: Addition, you haven't bought a pay per view and spent

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extra money, so there's no financial impact in that sense.

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So I'm happy that at least if this is happening,

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it's on a platform where it doesn't cost extra other

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than your normal subscription where you're watching movies and shows anywhere.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they aren't going to draw

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a tremendous attention in this. I'm not saying it won't

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be a sold out arena. Notice they're going to Atlanta.

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When we were talking with Todd Grisham, I said to you,

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Atlanta underrated place. Davis has sold out, that Arena before

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they're going to be in the State Farm Arena where

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the Hawks play basketball.

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Speaker 1: November fourteenth, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Friday nineteenth, on a Friday night.

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Speaker 1: By the way, in the boxing world, that's the night

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before Connor Ben and Chris Ubank Junior have their So

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you know, in America it will get a lot of attention. Overseas,

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it will get far less because that of course in

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the UK, and then you know, in that part of

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the world it's a much bigger deal with.

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Speaker 2: And for Jane Davis, it's obviously a payday, but it's

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particle for him too, don't That's.

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Speaker 1: The disappointing part. So that's what I was getting to.

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So this is not about disappointment with Jake because we've

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been down this road. This is what Jake's been doing

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pretty much his entire career. So I'm not mad about that.

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This is part for the course. Why would you be

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upset in terms of Tank though he has a mess

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to clean up with roach, right, I mean, he had

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that terrible I would say a terrible performance, but the

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terrible way that it was officiated and the way that

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the commission dealt with it. We all know that he

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escaped by the grace of the man upstairs, with a

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draw in that fight, because two things either A he

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should have lost a decision or b he could have

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easily been disqualified for the nonsense that happened when the

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referee screwed up and did not call the knockdown and

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all this stuff that went on around that run into

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the corner and getting wiped off and taking a knee

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in the whole nine yards. So that was such a disaster.

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But regardless, after the fight was over, Tank was like,

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all right, you know what, it was a tough night.

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I'm taking my rematch. He had the contractual right to

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do so he exercised that rematch. I talked to both sides.

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Everybody was on board, as I mentioned before. And then

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he's the one that's now left Tank. Tank has now

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left Lamont roach twisted and the win for the last

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couple of months.

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Speaker 2: For the money, and he was working on this, obviously,

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they were working on this, and they.

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Speaker 1: That's the disappointing part because Gravante is a popular fighter.

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He's obviously a very good fighter. I mean, I don't

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think he's necessarily the number one pound for pounds. Some

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people want to put him on the pound for pound list.

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I don't know if I'm even there yet, But he

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still hasn't fought the very best of his own divisions.

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Sure he hasn't fought the top lightweight. Sure he didn't

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fight the top junior Weald rates. He hasn't ever moved up.

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He's never unified. Now, does he have some nice wins? Yeah,

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I mean Frank Martin's a good win.

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Speaker 2: And wins probably the most noteworthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even like the Hector Luis Garcia, he

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was a champ at one thirty, moved off. He scored

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a knights knockout who, by the way, unrelated to this.

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Hector Lauris Garcia just this week announced on his social

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media he's retiring from boxing, So good luck to him.

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He's got to win over Roly Romero. He beat Isaac

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Pitt Bull Cruz in a close fight. But those these

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are not the top fighters in that weight class at

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the time that he fought in he fought like a

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very very much.

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Speaker 2: Let's lay it out there. If he if he fights

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Roach and beats Roach and things progress and Shaquure Stevenson,

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Let's say fights Floyd Schofield and wins, that is a

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massive opportunity to have a unified lightweight title with Davis

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and with Shaqueur Stevenson, and obviously all of that's out

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the window because it's a cash grab. This is go

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do this farcacle thing with a guy that's sixty or

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seventy pounds heavier than you. Whatever this is going to

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be in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: My hope is that whatever happens, because it's an exhibition,

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that he will in fact still fight Lamont Roach after this.

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But what I'm what I'm I guess concerned is not

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the right word. You always wonder when you have this

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type of exhibition. Are we going to see what happens,

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say with Jake Paul against Tyson, which was an actual

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fight even though it was essentially an exhibition, are they

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going to try to win? In other words, in boxing?

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What what don't they know that the guys standing across

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the ring from each other are trying to knock each

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other out?

473
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Speaker 2: What do we know about actual judging, because like in

474
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the Texas case, they didn't have actual judging. They went

475
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out of their way to say.

476
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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, they are judges for what we're talking about.

477
00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,519
But I mean, I thought they're thinking of Tyson Androy Jones.

478
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Speaker 2: Tyson roy Jones. But I thought I thought there was

479
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,519
something with the Tyson thing that it wasn't going to

480
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,799
actually count with the judges. But it was an actual fight.

481
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Speaker 1: So what what are I do? Jake Paul against Tyson

482
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,720
was an official judge fight. Who counts on their record,

483
00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:48,720
but in this Tyson against Roy Jones did not.

484
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: In this case, it can't count against their records. It

485
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,720
will not against the So are we going to have judging?

486
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Speaker 1: I am to judges. I'm told the judges we'll see.

487
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,000
But the fact that we even have to discuss this.

488
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:04,319
When they announced the fight, they do such a piss

489
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,119
poor job of announcing the details. I know the headlines

490
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,319
are Jake calls fighting Jervon to Davis, And that's what

491
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,680
most people want to know about whatever or they want

492
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,400
to be a journalist, teach, I've been a journalist over

493
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,240
thirty years. My first inclination is I want the details.

494
00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:19,880
Give me the lie. I'm the guy that reads the

495
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,559
fucking box of the board game to know the rules.

496
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:24,559
You know what, I need the details.

497
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: My first inclination was this is a farce and I'm out.

498
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,079
I said that I'm gonna remain considered.

499
00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:30,799
Speaker 1: So you're gonna watch it, and we're gonna talk about it.

500
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how much I'm gonna care.

501
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:35,920
It's a football weekend. We'll see it is what it is.

502
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,039
When people are asking me about this coming down the road,

503
00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:42,759
I'm gonna say to them, farcical, this is silly. If

504
00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:45,799
it was closer in wait, it would make more sense,

505
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:48,720
like if he was doing it with Terrence Crawford, that

506
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:52,000
might be a little more believable. But even that's not

507
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,559
that's still farcical as far as I'm concerned. All right,

508
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,640
So we gave that plenty of its time for now

509
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,599
because it's gonna have.

510
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Speaker 1: Well, who do you like, who's gonna win?

511
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: I just told you farcical, stop messing with me, all right?

512
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,319
So we have that coming for November. And remember November

513
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,160
is a long way away for a lot of things

514
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,839
to happen between now and then too, in particular with

515
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,759
Tank Davis and the law and again correct and what

516
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,759
happens if you know, we suddenly decide there's a bigger,

517
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:23,240
better fight somewhere else for one of them. Who does

518
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,160
I mean? And again I understand they're trying to make

519
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,400
the maximum money that's understood by the same token. Don't

520
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:33,880
don't come back to me with this stuff about legitimacy

521
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,400
and I want to be a world champion and all that.

522
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,160
Stop it, stop it, stop it. Nobody believes you. Nobody

523
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,720
believes you. All Right, we move on. You did talk

524
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,079
on the previous podcast about one hundred and fifty four

525
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:48,440
pound division. I do read my Dan Rayphael Substack, you

526
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,240
wrote more about it. Do we have anything new.

527
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: We do on thee The Virgil Orts fight against ericson

528
00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:02,519
Lubin is is now official. Was announced on Thursday afternoon.

529
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:06,000
That is a done deal. In the interest of full disclosure,

530
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:09,559
that press announcement has come while we're taping the podcast

531
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:13,559
over that email, So that will happen. Yeah, that is

532
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,440
going to take place on November eighth. It'll be live

533
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:18,359
on the zonne. It is going to be at the

534
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,039
Dickey's Arena in Fort Worth, Texas, which means it's a

535
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:24,200
home game for Virgil because he is from the Dallas area,

536
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:27,640
Dallas Forworth are He's from Grand Prairie. So Eric sin

537
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,599
Lubin will fight him for his WBC interim belt at

538
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,319
one hundred and fifty four pounds, and as we've discussed before,

539
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,200
Ericson Lubin had been negotiating with the team of his

540
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,480
team had been negotiating with Baker Martazaliev, who is the

541
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,680
IBF champion. That was a mandatory fight, and they notified

542
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,400
the IBF on Tuesday, which was supposed to be the

543
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,440
day of the purse bit for that fight, that they

544
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,599
were withdrawing because he had signed a contract to fight

545
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,480
the fight against Ortiz. I guess Golden Boy and Ortiz

546
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,880
and his management they were finishing up their side of things,

547
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,519
but Lubin had signed the contract a couple of days ago,

548
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:03,119
which is one of the things I wrote in that

549
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,000
article you reference on my substack that was published last

550
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:09,000
night Wednesday night. At any event, so that's gonna happen.

551
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,359
That's a look, that's a good matchup. But it's a

552
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,119
good name for Virgil, it's a good name for Lubin.

553
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:16,640
And what I actually was thinking about, I mean, it

554
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,680
maybe means something to me nobody else, but I don't

555
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,640
care because I thought it was cool. These are this

556
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,319
is this is has happened before, but infrequently. I've been

557
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:28,519
picking a Prospect of the Year every year for many,

558
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,960
many years, twenty five years, I have had Virgil Ortiz

559
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,920
and ericson Lubin as my past prospects of the year.

560
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,599
So this will be a matchup of two guys who

561
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,559
I picked as past prospects of the year, which is

562
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:41,440
I like that because at least it tells you that

563
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,119
the two guys at least gotten somewhere in their career.

564
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,119
So this is a good matchup in a weight class

565
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,400
that's now red hot because this fight is now done

566
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,720
and official and announced. It's not done official, announced, but

567
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,519
probably gonna get done for late October. October twenty fifth,

568
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:59,000
I believe, is the day for Fondora against Keith Thurman,

569
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,880
which will be a good fight in the ring. I

570
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,960
know people are kind of maybe who's spoken on it

571
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,119
are perhaps slightly irritated about Thurman, but he was injured

572
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,640
and he at least he came back and he won.

573
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,759
And yeah, he hasn't had a lot of activity, but

574
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,559
he looked good in the fight in Australia. He was healthy.

575
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,759
I saw him in Las Vegas when I was out

576
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,400
there a few weeks ago, and he was healthy and

577
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,640
in good spirits and looking for a fight. You know,

578
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,000
his injuries were not an issue.

579
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,519
Speaker 2: So in the timeline, Fondora and Thurman will fight what

580
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,880
two weeks before this Ortiz fight with Lubin, So.

581
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: You got Fandora Thurminaz penciled in for October twenty fifth.

582
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,079
MGM Grand be a PBC pay per view. Then you've

583
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:42,119
got on the de Zone show with Golden Boy will

584
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960
be Ortiz Lubin. That would be, like I said, the

585
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:49,400
Dickey's Arena on November the eighth, and then the Domino's

586
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,240
fall when Lubin drops out of the IBF Fight in

587
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,640
Science to fight Virgil Ortiz, leaving Martez leav with nobody

588
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,400
to negotiate with at that moment. Now you go down

589
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,599
the list because his mandatory is due. So the IBF

590
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,720
looks at the ratings and the next guy up is

591
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,599
the former olympian from the UK, Josh Kelly, who's seventeen

592
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:09,440
one and one with nine knockouts, who has got a

593
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,480
tremendous amount of hype. Was a great amateur to me anyway,

594
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:14,559
been a little disappointing in the pros, but maybe he'll

595
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:16,200
be really amped up for this fight if they get

596
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,160
their deal done. So that's the fight. It's being negotiated,

597
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,319
and the people that represent Bakrum which is Main Events,

598
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,039
and the folks that represent Kelly, which is Wasserman Boxing,

599
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,640
they kind of knew that Lubin was going this direction

600
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,559
and so they actually knew that that would be the

601
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,359
order because if you look down the IBF ratings, that

602
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,880
was the next leading guy. So their teams already had

603
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,559
started to discuss the fight even before the IBF formerly

604
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,640
sent out the letter on Wednesday, I guess it was.

605
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,839
So they're already in the conversation prospect. They've got thirty

606
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,240
days to make a deal or the IBF will call

607
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,759
a purse bid. I'd like to think they'll get the

608
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,440
deal done. It's not like, you know, martaz Leev is

609
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,599
sort of nowhere to go at the moment. Josh Kelly

610
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,079
has been looking for an opportunity. This is the chance

611
00:28:57,359 --> 00:28:59,599
of a lifetime to fight for the title. So if

612
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,119
they make a solid matchup, although martaz Lea will certainly

613
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,920
be the favorite, even if the winds up taking place

614
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,599
in the UK, where I suspect it would go. So

615
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,039
there's that, and then if you go further into this

616
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,599
loaded fifty four pound way class, he had a really

617
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,519
good fight Dana White, now wearing the hat of ZUFA

618
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:21,240
boxing promoter, did a Instagram live on Wednesday where he

619
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:24,240
announced the preliminary fights that will be on the Canelo

620
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,839
Crawford card. They'd already announced the main card fights and

621
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,119
so among those preliminaries, but the main preliminary, if you will,

622
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,359
the fight before the main card, is another excellent matchup

623
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,400
in this division. It's the former interim title holder of

624
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,079
the WBC, the current WBC mandatory challenger, Serge Boatchuk against

625
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:47,119
Brandon Adams in a rematch. If you remember now, Boachu's

626
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,319
got the two losses, had the great fight with virginl

627
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,240
Artis where he dropped him twice and lost a majority decision.

628
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,480
A lot of people thought he should have won. But

629
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,240
his only other loss before that was a fight in

630
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,480
twenty twenty one in Puerto Rico where he was winning

631
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,559
the fight against Brandon Adams and he got clobbered with

632
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:04,599
a left hand and he got dropped and when he

633
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:05,599
got up he was a little shaky.

634
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about this on the on the

635
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,079
recap pod. The rematch angle is good here and Boatchuk

636
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,440
once another shot at Ortiz too in the hole or

637
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,759
anybody or anybody, but certainly the Ortiz. There's been some

638
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:19,559
bad blood back and forth between those two.

639
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,279
Speaker 1: And whoever he gets. I mean, the main thing is

640
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:24,519
he he is the He was conferred by the BC

641
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,920
as their fifty four pound mandatory challenger, so he's risking

642
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,039
that status. He's taken on Adams, who did defeat him. Now,

643
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,480
Brandon is a good fighter, but he had been very

644
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,599
into active. The crazy thing was he knocked out Boatchuk.

645
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,160
It was a great win for him, and then he

646
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,720
didn't fight for three years. I don't know if it

647
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,839
was an injury or promotional issues or management issues or whatever.

648
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,519
It was a lot of problems, but he didn't fight

649
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,119
for three years. He has come back, he has had

650
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,440
three fights, but he's coming off of a he lost

651
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,599
the unanimous decision to Michael Fox. And may I take

652
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,400
that back. That was Boatchuk who won a fight against

653
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,519
Michael Fox. But but Adams had lost in November. I

654
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,400
forget the opponent's name, but he lost a fight in

655
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,440
his most recent bouts. So he's got some proving to do.

656
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,920
But now he's in with the guy that he beat. Now.

657
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,240
The only thing that about this this is not a

658
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,480
championship fight. This is not a official eliminated or anything

659
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,599
like that. It is a ten rounder and it's contracted

660
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,240
one hundred and fifty six pounds, very slightly over the

661
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,759
fifty four pound limit. But with the idea that these

662
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:23,839
guys are fifty four pounds.

663
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,759
Speaker 2: Do we have a date or what's the timeline on

664
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,400
this one? In the late October November?

665
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: Right? No, this, as I said to you, this is

666
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,880
a preliminary on the Canelo.

667
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:32,319
Speaker 2: Car on the Canelical on my bat on the Canal

668
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:35,480
September thirteenth, right, all right, So when Dana, I gotta

669
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,000
keep on my junior middleweight straight. That's why I have

670
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:38,440
you here.

671
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,359
Speaker 1: So the good thing though is again this is okay.

672
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,839
The whole Canlo card is part of your subscription to Netflix.

673
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,480
The various preliminaries, they'll show them for free on their

674
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:50,920
YouTube channel. So this will be the final bout of

675
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,480
that YouTube batch of fights and then we'll go into

676
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,359
the main card. But that's a lot of action between

677
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:03,079
you know, September October November. You got major fights in

678
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,200
this weight class that is loaded, and there's other guys.

679
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,160
I mean, we already had the announcement of the Boots

680
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,200
Innis fight. We don't have to, but you were gonna.

681
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna avoid bringing that up, and

682
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,720
I was gonna compliment you that we weren't even gonna

683
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,319
acknowledge his ridiculous move up to one fifty four to

684
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,240
fight a ridiculous fight.

685
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: But the point is he's a bigger name. He may

686
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,359
not be fighting a big time fight.

687
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: It's a bigger name that should be fighting a bigger opponent,

688
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,440
right or he should have fought Brian Norman this fall,

689
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,119
who we're going to talk about in a couple of Regardless.

690
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: Of the combination of having Boots making his entray into

691
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,240
the division, whoever the opponent is, that's still quasi interesting

692
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:41,119
Thurman Fondora, or he's lubin Uh, possibly Martaza and Kelly

693
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,599
and Boatchuck Adams, which is official.

694
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,319
Speaker 2: That I'll tell you. Might be that Martaz Lam might

695
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,519
be the most dangerous guy this whole group that we're

696
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,319
talking about, and he just hasn't been active.

697
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: So the point is, once we get to like the

698
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,279
end of October, the whole division may have a whole

699
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,839
different look to the top level. All those fights are

700
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,039
going to probably take place before.

701
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: Then, fair enough. Speaking of Brian Norman, I just mentioned

702
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,400
him a contract announcement for him earlier this week. We

703
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,960
already know that he's fighting Devin Haney, but he has

704
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,519
decided to remain with Top Rank. As we have to

705
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:20,079
say this as one of their premier fighters right now.

706
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Is the WBO Walter whit champion.

707
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian Norman and his team have done a contract

708
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,119
extension with Top Rank. He's one of their top young fighters.

709
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720
He's got a world title. He's looked really good since

710
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,920
he's won that title. It's coming off that big win

711
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,319
in Japan by knockout against Asaki, and now we, like

712
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,640
you said, he is going to Saudi Arabia for November

713
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,319
twenty second to defend the title against Devin Haney, which

714
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,599
is a very dangerous fight on a great card, not

715
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,279
a Top rank card. But Top Rank is still as

716
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:49,440
promoter and they've decided to reup him. I had some

717
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,759
people questioning, like why he would resign with Top Rank,

718
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,720
you know, complaining, well, they don't have a TV deal,

719
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,319
they don't have a streaming deal. They've got this, they've

720
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:58,240
got that. Think everybody just slow down. I don't know,

721
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:00,720
I don't have insider information. On this one. But I

722
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,960
am I am sure the Top Rank is gonna have something,

723
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,480
and they're a company that's been around for a long time.

724
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:09,639
This is not the first time they've had this type

725
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,840
of issue before. They've come through it with Flying Colors.

726
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:16,440
I suspect they will again. And even whatever, Brian has

727
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,440
assurances in that agreement that he's done. He's got a

728
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,719
good management team behind him with Joelene Mazzone and Adrian

729
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Clark and his dad doing stuff. And he's a loyal

730
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,559
guy and he made the point Top Rank has, you know,

731
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,400
done their job. You know, I'm a loyal guy, and

732
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,519
I'm sticking with the home team. They signed him in

733
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,440
late twenty twenty two, they've had eight fights together, they

734
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,800
brought him to a world title, They've got him paid

735
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:40,559
pretty well to go overseas. They got they got a

736
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:42,280
good deal for him, I guess from Turkey to do

737
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,199
this fight against against Hany that's coming up, and so

738
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,639
you know, why, why why fix what ain't broke? Is

739
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,599
the way I look at it. And so by the

740
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,719
time that November fight is over, I'm pretty sure that

741
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,480
Top Rank will have whatever it's going to be doing

742
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,440
in terms of a broadcast platform will be in place,

743
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,679
and we'll see Brian Norman being one of those foundational

744
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,199
young champions that they have, you know, over the next

745
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,119
few years. You know, obviously got to get past any.

746
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,039
But even if he doesn't get past any, doesn't mean

747
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,239
he's no good, doesn't mean you can't you know, still

748
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,039
find fights for him. He's an entertaining fighter, got a

749
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,480
good personality, and you know, it made sense. He had

750
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,280
a couple of fights left on the deal and they

751
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,159
decided to do a new one and that's what happened.

752
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,119
Speaker 2: He's gotten rewarded. He's remaining loyal. It's here it for

753
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,400
loyalty and people sticking my people in boxing and that

754
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,280
HAINI fights a compelling fight for later this year. All right,

755
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,440
speaking of loyalty, I'll make a segue here. I guess

756
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:37,559
Daniel Dubois doesn't want to remain loyal to his recent trainer,

757
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:41,840
Don Charles, who had helped his resurgence, because Dubois announced

758
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,639
earlier this week on social media. I saw the announcement

759
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,159
that he's now got a new trainer in Mark Tibbs.

760
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,199
What's going on here? Is he like trying to scapegoat

761
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,199
Charles for the reason why he couldn't get out of

762
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:54,400
the way of US six left and.

763
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: Well that seems like he did not announce the Mark

764
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,880
Tibbs aspect of it. He announced that he was part

765
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,719
ways with Don and you know, he said all the

766
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,920
nice things about him. Appreciate solid that. But he did

767
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,599
all the time and effort he put into him, Like

768
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,639
Daniel didn't go about it like in a nasty way

769
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,079
or anything like that. But it's boxing, and you know,

770
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:12,960
when guys lose big fights like that, a lot of

771
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,519
times they looked to to escapegoat somebody. He also signed

772
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:20,679
with a different you know, with a new advisor. You know,

773
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:22,760
one of the other guys that worked in his corner

774
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,880
also had decided to I don't know if he got

775
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,039
fired or he just decided on his own to leave.

776
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:32,159
That was Kieran Farrell. He signed with the advisor Sam Jones,

777
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:33,599
who has worked a lot of guys in the UK,

778
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:38,360
notably most recently Jack Catterrell. But anyway, Don Charles and

779
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,480
him been together five fights. He took over the training

780
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,199
before the first USIK fight where he got knocked out

781
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,559
and quit in that fight. But then they put it

782
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,840
all together. Don was the guy that was very pivotal

783
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,360
in helping him regenerate himself, and was there in the

784
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,440
corner when he knocked out Jeral Miller, when he knocked

785
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,039
out Argovich for the interim IBF belt, was there when

786
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,800
he scored the sensational knockout in his first defense, when

787
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,360
he was elevated against Anthony Joshua, And again he didn't

788
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,599
show up to fight Husick in the remat. So I

789
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:06,639
don't know if he's blaming Don Charles or whatever, but

790
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,079
they went three and two together with the two ko

791
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,239
losses to Usik. And the thing that gives me pause

792
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,639
about Duba, it's not so much about deciding to leave

793
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,360
Don and go to to Tibbs and all that this

794
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,360
is gonna be like ding a Dubis. I want to say,

795
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,920
like his like fourth trainer in like you know, like

796
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440
an eight year career or something like that. I mean, right,

797
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,559
that seems like a kind of a bit much. I

798
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:31,840
mean that shows you that there's not a lot of

799
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,519
continuity there, that it takes time to build a rapport

800
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,239
and to and to get everything right with that guy.

801
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,519
So he's uh, I guess what's the old saying? You know,

802
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,239
the U two people Dono and everybody. He still hasn't

803
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:43,960
found what he's looking for.

804
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: Oh, you're quoting you two here, I can tell you.

805
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:53,360
I can tell you this before Dubois. He's he's gonna

806
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,079
have a tough road ahead because that was another tough

807
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,599
knockout that he took after he had his resurgence. And

808
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,159
stay tuned if he gets back into relevance, no matter

809
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:04,960
if Don Charles is his trainer, or Mark Tibbs is

810
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,159
his trainer or tj Or Rayfield's his trainer. Uh, stay

811
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:11,320
tuned on that. What else do we have, oh from

812
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,880
the update of the police blodder, the Department of Homeland

813
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Security and whatnot. Speaking of Jake, Paul Julio Cesar Chavez

814
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:25,599
Junior deported to Mexico. Where new Mexican or I'm sorry

815
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:29,519
where Mexican authorities as I try to get my comedic

816
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:31,920
line off. Mexican authorities did the monopoly on him. Do

817
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,400
not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars, Go

818
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,320
to jail, Go directly to jail. They took him. They

819
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,960
took him to jail in Mexico. Is the news account

820
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,760
that I wrote or that I read? I believe you

821
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,679
wrote something about it.

822
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: As well on sol wasn't this was not just about

823
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,239
being deported because he had overstayed his or he had

824
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:54,760
he had U he had uh overstayed his visa and

825
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,159
also had lied by a decade.

826
00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: By a decade by the way.

827
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: So a lot of times if you're I mean, I'm

828
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,559
no expert on deportations, but Minders saying, if you are

829
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:07,159
a law abiding person other than your issue of overseeing

830
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,719
your visa and lying on a green card application, when

831
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,960
they send you back to your home country, you just

832
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:14,320
go back to your own country. The problem that Shaga's

833
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,360
face is not only did he have the issues to

834
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,440
get him the porter from the United States, but he

835
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,400
was also wanted on arrest warrants in Mexico for serious

836
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,079
things related to suppose it alleged involvement with the drug

837
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:30,719
cartels and you know other things that are not good weapons,

838
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,280
high profile type.

839
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: Of thing, weapons and ammunition charges for the cartel and

840
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:37,880
him being part of the cartel.

841
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,519
Speaker 1: That does surprise. I don't know how much that rings true.

842
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:42,480
I feel like some of that might be might be

843
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,159
a little trumped up, But regardless, what was interesting to

844
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,199
me is, you know, he fought the fight against Jake

845
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,800
Paul back on July third with my Man TJ at Ringside.

846
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,159
He loses in a fight where he doesn't even show

847
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:54,960
up until like the last round or so of the fight,

848
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,880
does absolutely nothing, sleepwalks, and loses every round except maybe

849
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,519
that last round, and then a couple of days later

850
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:03,320
he gets the only good norms.

851
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:05,519
Speaker 2: The only good news is ICE didn't come get him

852
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,360
in the post fight lack of room at the Honda Center.

853
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,440
They waited a couple of days.

854
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:10,079
Speaker 1: Well, it's like I joked around, I wish they would

855
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:11,639
have arrested him before the fight. He saved us the

856
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,440
misery of watching that shit show. But anyway, they had

857
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,880
all these people from ICE, you know, the US Immigration

858
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,760
and Customs enforcement folks, showed up and arrested them and

859
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,000
talked about how we'd be deported. I mean, I wrote

860
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,360
about it all the boxing outlets wrote about it, and

861
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,440
I thought, Okay, they're gonna deport him. I didn't realize

862
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,039
he was gonna be in jail in America for the

863
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,800
next like several weeks before he actually was deported, So

864
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,880
the news that happened was earlier this week. They actually

865
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,360
physically sent him from the facility. He was in in

866
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,119
California and returned him to a prison or a jail

867
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:46,440
in from Seo Mexico to face the charges he is

868
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:50,480
facing there, and obviously it's a serious situation for him.

869
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: Stay tuned. We'll see if we find out more information

870
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,079
on that at a later date, but he won't be

871
00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:00,360
fighting again anytime soon if ever. And one final note

872
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,039
before we are gone here and headed into the weekend.

873
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,559
Speaking of the WBO, as we've mentioned them a couple

874
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:09,280
of different times, they have ordered an interim cruiserweight title

875
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,119
fight and this is due to the injury. Speaking of

876
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,159
that June twenty eighth, on I think you said July third,

877
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,119
it was my twins birthday, June twenty eighth, the night

878
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:16,519
of their birthday, we were out.

879
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,639
Speaker 1: There going to be July third was actually the day

880
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:19,239
he was arrested.

881
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,679
Speaker 2: The rest right June twenty eighth, we were out there

882
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,639
for their birthday and on that card, Zerdo Ramirez defeated Dordakos,

883
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,079
and it turns out was fighting with a bum shoulder,

884
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,920
so he's had shoulder surgery and the WBO says we

885
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,199
want to have an interim title fight go ahead with

886
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,800
the deats, so we.

887
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: Rip on the interim titles all the time. But the

888
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,159
one time where an interim title does make sense and

889
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:44,079
I have no particular problem with it, is when the

890
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,840
champion is bonified, injured out for an extended period of time.

891
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,079
You want to keep the activity going, you want to

892
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:53,119
give the other contenders an opportunity, and that's exactly what's

893
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,159
happening in this case. So the injury Deserto is going

894
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,320
to keep him out for the rest of this year.

895
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:00,880
The prognosis that I was explained to me that he

896
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,559
is idle before he can even really train's gonna be

897
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,480
about four to six months. So even if it was

898
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:08,559
on the short end of that, he's not back in

899
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:10,519
the ring right away because he's gonna have to go

900
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,360
through a training camp anyway. Who knows about what the

901
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,320
dates are. Bottom line, he's not gonna fight the rest

902
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,000
of this year. We're already here, you know, into until

903
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,559
late August, so you're talking about in the probably at

904
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,880
the earliest the first quarter of next year. And so

905
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,239
therefore the WBO did what I feel like is an

906
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,639
appropriate move to order in an term title. So they've

907
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,440
ordered Chris billim Smith, who was their former champion, who

908
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,199
has won one fight since he lost in the unification

909
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,679
fight against Sertormeres that took place in November on that

910
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,480
Latin h Latino night that took place in Riad. So

911
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,119
Bill and Smith is certainly a bona fide contender, and

912
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
they matched him up with the next guy in their ratings,

913
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,039
which is a fighter from Germany named Roman Fress who's

914
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,840
twenty three and one, who doesn't have a big resume.

915
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:55,800
I've actually watched a couple of videos and he's not bad.

916
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,119
He's got some good skills and you know, he's just

917
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,840
not a well known guy. But as a vacant title

918
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,880
fight goes like I've seen way worse. I'll put a

919
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,800
to you like that. So they've ordered them to do

920
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,559
the fight. They've got to go through their process if

921
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:09,280
they can negotiate a deal or it'll go to the

922
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,599
purse bid. They both are with you know promoters that

923
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,239
have put on you know, significant fights. Bill and Smith

924
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,280
is with boxer from the UK and Sees run by

925
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,480
Olf Stanforth who's done a ton of fights in Germany

926
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,920
with names is the promoter for Fres And we'll see

927
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,400
if they can make a deal and they'll do that fight.

928
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,079
And then because the WBO will follow their rules. I've

929
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,800
had a lot of conversations with the Gustavo Oliveri, who

930
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,000
is the new president. They will when the time is appropriate,

931
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:39,280
when when Zerto is back, they will order the winner

932
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,000
of this fight, assuming it happens to fight Zerto in

933
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,960
his first fight out of the injury. So it may

934
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,800
be a rematch with Bill and Smith. I don't know

935
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,760
if that's the greatest thing because he handled them pretty easily,

936
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,199
or I'll be Roman Frez against Zero, But either way,

937
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:54,840
that's what's going on. The only thing I look at

938
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,760
in a negative about that is we still hope and

939
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,960
pray all that rain dance, whatever you want to say,

940
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,360
that we see Zero at some point in the not

941
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,480
too distant future fight ji Opataia in the three belt unification.

942
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,559
And while this interim fight is happening, they also unrelated

943
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to the WBO. The IBF has re ordered his mandatory

944
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against him Car. Remember he pulled out because of an

945
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ankle injury and they both had in they took interim fights,

946
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he fought another defense and the injured fighters came back

947
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to Car and fought anyway. So that's been reordered also,

948
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so there's a lot of stuff going on where that

949
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fight is sort of just caught up because on the

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one hand, Zerto is out for six months probably and

951
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we'll have to fight the winner of this fight if

952
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he wants to keep the belt upon his return. And

953
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meantime he got Opataia, who's going to be dealing with

954
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an IBF mandatory. You just hope at some point, like

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in the first half of next year, that they can

956
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figure out a way to fight each other and with

957
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all the belts on the line, because at some point

958
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they're both going to go up to heavyweight anyway. But

959
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I'd rather see them fight at cruiserweight than thinking about

960
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the fighting down the road.

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Speaker 2: That things in the cruiserweight divisi And can we have

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good things?

963
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Speaker 1: Well, we've gotten some good things. We just need a

964
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few better things.

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Speaker 2: We need a few better things, all right, So we

966
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get ready for this weekend again, lighter weekend. Got the

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MVP show on Saturday, and you and I will come

968
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off the weekend and recap that and see what else

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is there again. Slower time here at the end of

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August and headed in the United States to Labor Day

971
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weekend the following weekend, with not much there either. It

972
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will pisit. Bunness will pick up. Bunness will pick up

973
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coming in September. Stay tuned, peep so TJ.

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Speaker 1: Off of that business is slow or businesses robust, We'll

975
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still entertain our people.

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Speaker 2: We do our best. Are you gonna sing next? Because

977
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if you are, I'm stopping the record button in any event.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I didn't sing. I didn't sing the U two song.

979
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Speaker 2: I just maded I still haven't found what I'm looking for,

980
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:49,840
But you did hist I said I would stop recording, uh,

981
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because that's my guys. I love that band. All right,

982
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So let us reconvene on the weekend. For now, we

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are good here with that MB show coming and all

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the news again. Follow, subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify as we

985
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rock on here through the summer. Big Dan, have a

986
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good weekend. We'll catch up. I am merely TJ. Reeves,

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thank you for being with us on the Big Fight

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