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Speaker 2: Solfso son was so.

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Speaker 3: To hell to heaven. He can he can he can heap.

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Speaker 1: There there.

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Speaker 3: There there.

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Speaker 4: Success success, success, success, sisters success.

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Speaker 3: In song, the same sn you're saying the song, the

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singing when you sing, you say, then say the song

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you sing the s S.

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Speaker 3: S S S.

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Speaker 5: The boys, we've learned so much.

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Speaker 6: If you've been on the Jay's Analysis, right, A lot

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of you guys are new. I understand, that's cool, Glad

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to have you here. But some of you have been

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with me for the long haul. In fact, there are

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some who've been with Jay's Analysis for ten years, reading

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it back in the day, and we've come a long way.

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We've come a long way, all right. Welcome, thank you,

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Glad to see you all here. We got a room

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of almost two hundred nerds. I'm sure the nerds will

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pile in then we can get up to about three hundred. Tonight.

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We'll see it's your boy Jay in the house. You

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boy can't see me. Welcome, Welcome. We have Eighties Jamie

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with us tonight and we have normal Me. We're gonna

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be covering our top five slash six eighties movies.

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Speaker 7: They were decided upon by people from the eighties, namely

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me and Jamie. So these are the official rule, the

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official top six. And yes there are some that we

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had to leave out, some that we had to add.

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Speaker 8: Well, these are specifically eighties teen movies.

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Speaker 7: So I had to be teen drama, coming of age,

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and I would like to add two before we get

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going here. Welcome everybody to the stream. I hope you

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uh are doing well tonight. They're not in any specific order,

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there's no there's no way really to order these, I

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don't think.

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Speaker 6: But we're gonna be reading some neat facts. We're gonna

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have fun.

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Speaker 7: You cannot be just serious throughout coronkavirus, the cooped by

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iris is not a time for only being serious.

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Speaker 6: So if you can't laugh in the apocalypse, what can

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you do? When can you laugh? And so thank you eddies. Jamie.

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You want to tell us what five slash six movies?

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We chose them only if.

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Speaker 8: You think my bangs are high enough.

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Speaker 6: I think your bangs are.

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Speaker 8: They're cruising out.

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Speaker 6: They make me want to.

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Speaker 8: I think I can go higher next time.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'll get am measuring.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they don't make hair spray like they do. Apparently,

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I don't know.

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Speaker 6: But by the way, I'm actually Chris.

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Speaker 8: Movie is Risky Business, Cruise.

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Speaker 6: Okay, calm trus.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, which I called Frisky Business?

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Speaker 6: It is that? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, neteen eighty three.

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Speaker 6: Just tell us all of them first. Okay, we're not

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gonna start with it.

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Speaker 8: Risky Business, Breakfast Club obvious one.

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Speaker 6: Can't do this without breakfast Club, can't.

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Speaker 8: Find me love hold on? So now yeah, okay, Adventures

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in Baby City say anything, yep, Ferris Fueler's Day Off.

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Speaker 6: Okay, it's not Fibersex six Okay, So I hope you

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all did your homework and watched all six of those

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between last night and today. There will be multiple choice questions.

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Just kidding, huh. I will also read some of the

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neat facts about.

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Speaker 7: The movies as we go through. As we learned some

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neat facts. I'm a child of the eighties, and when

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you go back and watch these.

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Speaker 6: One thing that you learn is that there's a lot

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of cultural commentary that you don't catch as a kid.

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Did you realize this?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I wish I could live in the eighties again.

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It looked much more simple.

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Speaker 7: There's nerds on the internet who live in like the

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eighteen hundreds, like they live their whole life wearing eighteen

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hundreds gear.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't go back that far. I like running water

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and stuff.

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Speaker 7: Well, you already spend most of your time. I'm at

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the saloon, so you could go back there far easily.

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Are you one of the ladies of the evening at

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the saloon?

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Speaker 8: They always have one every next time?

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Speaker 6: Okay, so what's up first? Frisky business?

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Speaker 8: Ye, risky business. I've never seen this before.

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Speaker 6: She had never seen frisky business. It was to me,

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I imagine that.

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Speaker 8: I didn't think it was going to be so grown up.

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I thought it's going to be more innocent, but it

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was very it was risky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I tried to explain ahead of time.

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Speaker 7: This is a weird movie. It's not the movie that

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you think it's going to be. You see this cover

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and you think this is, you know, Ferris Bueler type

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of movie.

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Speaker 6: No, it's not. It's actually kind of dark a little bit.

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Speaker 8: There's psychology going on.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of psychological Freudian all of this kind

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of level stuff. Nothing super deep, but well, it starts

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out with.

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Speaker 8: Him analyzing his own dream, right. He dreams of a

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house and a girl, in the shower and he has

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boomer parents.

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Speaker 7: By the way, I would just like to add today

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before we get into this, So there was a little

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I had discovered that I was the hottest man alive ever,

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and I confirmed this on the basis of emailing the

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International Modeling Agency of the World.

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Speaker 6: And they sent back an email and they said that

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this is confirmed.

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Speaker 7: And so when I did a whole post on this,

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most people agreed and reconfirmed my suspicions correct. But a

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couple of people were angry and said that they would unsubscribe.

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And so I'm sorry, but if you're at the top

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of the totem pole, it's lonely up here, and so

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some people are going to unsubscribe. And I heartily have

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to say that if you don't affirm that I am

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the hottest man ever to exist in history, then it

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probably is right for you to unsubscribe. So to the

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women on Instagram who unsubscribed today, two or three of

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them who not believe in fact, they even went to snokes.

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One girl went to Snopes and she could not either

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confirm nor deny whether I'm the hottest man of all time.

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Speaker 6: But I am right. You don't seem very convinced. But anyway,

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the Internet says, I am so you all lose goodbye.

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So I told that woman to leave. She can leave.

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Now we can go back.

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Speaker 8: Okay, no, says people are ruled by their passions. You

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remember that?

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Speaker 6: Oh because yeah, So com Truse figures out that the

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way to get ahead A lot of these movies are

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going to have the theme of getting ahead, and he

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figures out, you know, all kinds of things like liquor.

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Speaker 7: Right, So he decides that the way to get ahead

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is to actually capitalize. Nothing more capitalists than capitalizing on

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the passions.

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Speaker 8: Well, he's worried about getting into a good school. Remember

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he's his number one concern. His dad is pushing him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he wants to get in Princeton, get to.

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Speaker 8: A good college. And his buddies are telling him to

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say WTF about life? Remember no what they say he said,

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say what?

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, you just.

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Speaker 8: Say that and what things happen to you? They're trying

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to get him.

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Speaker 7: To not be so well, he's and he's part of

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this club that's the future enterprisers. This is the Goofy

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High school club about creating a product to sell, and

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he realizes like, well, if I'm gonna cater to what

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people want, people want the most basic things food.

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Speaker 6: Sex, Right, so he figures he needs to capitalize on that.

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Speaker 8: This is the movie with that famous scene of him

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dancing in.

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Speaker 6: His under oh, the underwear dance scene, right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that you see in lots of other movies.

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Speaker 7: And then every Yeah, a lot of other eighties movies

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copy this, this sequence of anybody who's home alone, especially

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your teenager, you dance, You dance in your underwear.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's all you do when you're home alone.

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Speaker 8: But it was really weird. It felt like it was

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for men not women.

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Speaker 6: It did seem a little uh.

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Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, let's see capitalism, free market, Future Enterprisers club.

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Yeah yeah. And so the kids realize that they can

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since his parents are away. That's another eighties trope, Right,

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your parents leave town, you're gonna have to like have

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a house or do something crazy with the house.

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Speaker 6: They throw a different kind of party in this one.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, first they figure out that they can use

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the house for sex, like for a private place. The

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kids can have a fun time. Yeah, fun times.

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Speaker 7: Let's see, Yes, my Nick Cage impersonations propelled me to

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the top of the tone pool.

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Speaker 6: Thank you one.

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Speaker 8: Oh, and he orders a girl, but he gets he.

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Speaker 6: Gets the wrong order.

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Speaker 7: Can he doesn't get what he thought he was getting,

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and the wrong thing shows up and she gives him

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the number of a different person.

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Speaker 8: He lives like in this upper middle class upper middle

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class yeah always they live in.

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Speaker 6: A very affluent area suburbs.

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Speaker 8: And the guy that came to his door, that was

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answering his call, he's like, on what every white boy

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off the lake wants?

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Speaker 6: No, no, he says that what every white boy off

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the Lake wants is the Rebecca the other girl. Okay, okay,

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you wrote down Epstein.

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Speaker 8: I don't know why Epstein. I don't know what that means.

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We'll get to it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you called him Tom Coomer.

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Speaker 8: Tom Coomer.

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Speaker 6: He kind of is in this a little bit, except

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he's not even really that into it. He does like

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the girl.

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Speaker 8: Those ads were funny.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when he was looking through the craigslist of the eighties.

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Of the eighties.

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Speaker 8: So there's this whole thing going on in the movie

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about what is dream and what is reality because his

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fantasy comes true exactly like a fantasy.

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Speaker 7: Well, but he's realizing that he can capitalize on fantasy.

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If he can provide people their fantasy, what better way.

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Speaker 6: To stack cash.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and then she ends up stealing his mom's crystal things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some kind of stupid egg that's supposed to

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be worth something. That and then she gets Yeah, they

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have this.

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Speaker 8: Rom com thing going on where they're running from.

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Speaker 7: Her, her widow handler, and then he tracks com truths,

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tracks him down and settles the score and steals her.

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Speaker 6: He white nights her. Well, you don't white night this

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kind of girl.

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Speaker 8: There's a weird thing the Amish keep popping up in

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this movie, like a contrast.

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Speaker 7: Was a set up in like Pennsylvania as Princeton, Right,

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is an interesting contrast between, Yeah, between the society that

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Tom is in and getting to the top Princeton and

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then contrasted with these homish people walking by.

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Speaker 6: Bad girls get high and get ice cream.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they smoke weed.

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Speaker 6: It's a good note. Yeah, So they tempt with the

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ice cream.

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Speaker 8: And that he has to save her, so he takes

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her back, and she convinces him to turn his parents'

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house into her club for the weekend to make money, and.

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Speaker 6: Then he plays with his train set. That's really weird.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like he's like trying to have this god's

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eye perspective and he's playing with his train set figuring

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out how he can manipulate the system.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 8: But I thought it was interesting when a college man

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of the movie, and then the college interviewer guy ended

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up staying with one of the girls at the house.

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Speaker 7: Right, calm Trus figures out that all he has to

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do to get into college, rather than go through all

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this rigmarole and worry about the GPA and all that,

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is to get the entrance guy set up with his fantasy.

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Speaker 7: So he's figuring out that the real way to climb

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the ladder is through being a winner, right, bending the rules.

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Speaker 6: This is a theme that we're.

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Speaker 7: Gonna, we're gonna constantly see in these eighties movies, is

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that American society getting to the top is about bending

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the rules.

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Speaker 6: If you play the normy game, you're a loser.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that comes up in more of these That's what

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I'm saying exactly.

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Speaker 8: So gross when they were like, that's so nasty, but.

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Speaker 7: They're kind of into it, like they keep going. They're

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making out because his fantasy is to make out on

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a subway. Gross on the train. She's a lady of

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the evening and her fantasy is to make out the subway. Okay, yeah, so.

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keep going. That scene is really funny, So I put

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funny scene. Uh, what does he still cry?

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Speaker 8: So and always in the eighties movies, you are putting

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the house back the way it's supposed to be, like

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two minutes before your parents walk in, and they had

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an epic version of it of this where there's no

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way you could have gotten all that stuff back in

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Speaker 7: Well, really, what happens is that she upgrades from a

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sleezy pimp to a new pimp. Yeah, because she just

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goes with a higher quality guy who has all the

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same kind of you know, scammy morals as her pimp do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Oh, but you forgot to mention that the customers were

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the high school kids. So that's kind of sleezy.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's probably why you put Epstein Jeff Justin because yeah,

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when if you think about it, right, these aren't people

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who are of the correct.

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Speaker 8: Age, right, it's not appropriate.

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Speaker 6: Yes, let's see, but you so what do you give it?

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What's what's the appropriate how many?

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna give it a six?

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Speaker 6: Let's see what some of the facts are the mids.

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Oh yeah, I was reading these facts the other night.

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It was cracking me up. So that the movie is

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actually supposed to be called White Boys Off the Lake,

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White Boys Off the Lake.

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Speaker 7: I know what a White Boy Off the Lake wants.

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Let me give you my number. Yes, they didn't want

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Tom Cruise. I remember reading this other night, and I

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forget who it was they originally wanted. They did want

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Rebecca to Morning, but it was somebody else, like I

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don't remember who. It wasn't Mel Gibson, but it was like,

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I don't know Kurt Russell or somebody. No, he's too young. No,

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it could have been Kurt Russell in nineteen eighty three.

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He could have he could have pulled it off. Maybe, Uh,

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the underwear scene in case we're all wondering. That's what

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everybody remembers. That's all improvised.

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Speaker 6: So uh, that's white. He tied. He's off to Tom

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Cruise for that was all improved, especially like when he's

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laying face down and he's jiggling into the couch.

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Speaker 8: When he does the bicycle legs in the air and

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you see everything. It's not for girls.

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Speaker 7: So there's many parodies of this scene. They wrecked multiple porsches,

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remember the Porsche. It's the same thing, and yes or other,

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So I see, yeah, I think you said porch Porsche.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Now, confirming my analysis.

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Speaker 7: My initial thoughts, Tom Cruise says, yes, the film is

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about capitalism.

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Speaker 6: So I am correct as always Butt Fox and Gordon

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Gecko Bud Fox, but maybe Butt Fox to The film was.

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Speaker 7: The first for Balkis. This is Balkie's first movie. Tom

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Cruise and Rebecca de Mornay dated during this film. It

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has two endings as well.

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Speaker 6: All right, that's enough of the facts, So I'm gonna

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give it. I'm gonna give it four out of five

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hose what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Give it?

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Speaker 8: Six tidy whities?

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Speaker 6: Six tidy whities out of how many?

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Speaker 9: Ten?

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Speaker 7: Ten?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a good critique of capitalism in the

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sense of it's the logic of capitalism. And every character

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in the film does what the logic of Bear capitalism dictates,

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like the entrance exam guy, the parents when they get back,

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they just care about that egg. Tom Cruise does what

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the logic of capitalism, Yeah, suggests Recca.

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Speaker 6: De Morne Deburney does. She upgrades her man. She gets

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an upgrade, and her mane.

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Speaker 8: Parents in Bear's Feelers, Cameron's parents who just care about material.

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Speaker 6: Think right, who we never even see.

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Speaker 8: So this is a big theme in the eighties movies.

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The teenagers of the eighties. Their parents were yuppies, yes,

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and they are feelings like their parents love material things

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more than them.

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Speaker 6: So the excess of the success of the Reagan a

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yuppie period, which is the essence of capitalism in fact.

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In Ferris Bueller, do you remember ben Stein Bueller? What

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does he say? Anybody rememberdo economics? Anybody remember voodoo economics?

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This is Reagan stuff.

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Speaker 7: It's hearkening too and critiquing the Reagan economic theory, trickle

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down stuff, trickle town economics.

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Speaker 6: Yepp, it is trickle town. In Risky Business, isn't it

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Breakfast Club Breakfast.

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Speaker 8: Club nineteen eighty five. Everyone loves this, everyone's seen it

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like lo times. Who's I bet you to ask ten

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people what their favorite movie is. One person will say Breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Club probably yeah, And girls always say that's stupid. Ess

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what Patrick swayzey, what's what's a pretty dancing? Girls always

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sad dirty dancing?

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Speaker 3: I don't like that movie?

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Speaker 8: Like he sucks, It does suck and then the song

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sounds too.

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Speaker 6: But all will give Ptrick Swayzee credit effort the way

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he can make his like he can. He can flare

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nostrils like nobody's business.

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Speaker 1: I can do that.

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Speaker 6: Tell us about Breakfast Club nineteen eighty five? What's that?

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There's a Bowie quote?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, look up that the very beginning there's a quote

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by David Bowie about children.

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Speaker 6: Okay, keep going on looking.

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Speaker 3: Up and.

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Speaker 8: It seems like what they are portraying high school to

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be like in Breakfast Club is very dismal, very prison like, very.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 8: Students are carving help me into the desks, and the

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guidance counselor has these books on his desk. Remember yes,

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RHO and psych stuff.

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Speaker 6: Right, So the symbolism at the in the opening sequence.

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I never caught this.

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Speaker 7: I've seen Breakfast Club million times, million times, but rewatching

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it looking for the symbolism. And by the way, John

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Hughes actually does have quite a bit of symbolism, and

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a lot of the films, For example, if you watch

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uncle Buck, you'll find multiple references to Marxism and communism,

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which is curious. We'll cover uncle Buck some other time,

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we'll do maybe a John Hughes fest.

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Speaker 6: But here.

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Speaker 7: You'll notice that it shows the guidance counselor's desk, and

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it looks like each one of the kids that has

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been brought to detention, there's something on the desk that

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kind of relates to each one of them. So somebody

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has scrawled in their diary help, there's rorshack tests, all

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this kind of stuff which I never noticed. And and

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so what we're going to see is that they're like

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different archetypes. They're traits that are identifying who they are

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as people. And so the film is going to present

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the notion of well, humans actually aren't reducible to particular traits,

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which I've never noticed before. But the Bowie quote is,

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and these children that you spit on as they try

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to change their worlds are immune to your consultations. They're

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quite aware of what they're going through. And so this

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is where we're going to encounter the butthole principal character

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or he's either a principal or a teacher who's roped

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into having to be the you know, watchdog for this

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group group of miscreants. I'm not sure, but regardless either way,

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he represents failed authority. He represents a out of touch,

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overly simplistic, what do you think.

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Speaker 6: What else?

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Speaker 7: Aggressive boomer yeah, I mean he's essentially boomer yeah.

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Speaker 8: And he makes a comment that we were brainwashed to

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see each other as well a brain, athlete, a basket case,

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a princess, and a criminal.

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Speaker 6: Right, So the.

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Speaker 7: Anthony Michael Hall character who's the nerd, is tasked with

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writing the essay to describe who they are at the

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end of the movie, and at the beginning of the film,

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it's him reading out his.

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Speaker 6: Essay to the principle, which is interesting. So there's a.

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Speaker 8: Brain, a jock, a basket case, a princess, and a criminal.

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And so they're saying that adults see us as these

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they pigeonhole us into these different things, and they treat

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us how they think that we are, and we're actually

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more multifaceted than the adults see us as. But when

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they parents are dropping off the kids at the beginning

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of the movie, you see that the kids are just

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a minime of their parent right.

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Speaker 7: They're a product of their environment, and they're all struggling

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with being products of their environment. And so we're going

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to see the confluence of these different archetypes in this

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very bizarre gathering.

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Speaker 6: So you have the different clicks, and remember high school.

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Remember high school? No, I know you don't because you

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were born in attest two a year ago, totally grown.

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But most of us went to high school and we

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had to learn the clicks. You learned the hierarchies, you

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learned the strata, the winners, the losers. We're going to

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see in a lot of these winners versus losers.

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Speaker 8: I'm an elementary school dropout, so I wouldn't.

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Speaker 6: That's actually pretty cool, that's actually pretty based. You're like

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Faris Bueller, he's skipping school. He doesn't care.

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Speaker 8: I had the most absences of my elementary school. You

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and Faris.

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Speaker 6: You and Faris didn't somebody else have a bunch more

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than nine who else was tardy in the movies? Somebody

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was tardy?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 6: Or was it just Ferris? Was it Lloyd Doabbler? Was

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he tardy?

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Speaker 3: Maybe?

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Speaker 6: Okay, anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 8: Let's see what else. The Ice School has weird modern art.

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It's a huge one.

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Speaker 6: It looks like a big Yes, it's a giant school. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So Anthony Milcohol seems to speculate that we are all

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trained to see each other in these reductive categories. So

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this is actually about reductionism and reducing people to traits.

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I'm not sure what the modern artment other than just

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to place it in a time period, or to point

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out that the art is unformed, just like these teams

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are unformed. They're not formed yet. They haven't become who

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they're going They're in the process of becoming who they're

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going to be, just like the art, which is ugly

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awful modern art. But maybe that's why the art is

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because it figures prominently in multiple scenes, like they constantly

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reference this stupid giant blob.

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Speaker 8: What I was shocked by was how much he sexually

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harasses her. The Judd Nelson character bender, Yeah, may Ringwold,

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He's she's the prissy princess and he's trying to get

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her to what come out of her shell.

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Speaker 6: But Bender is a dark hero, almost satan archetype, whose

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job it is to basically cause and reek havoc, to

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bring these people out of their shells. I mean I

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never really caught.

477
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Speaker 7: I mean I kind of had the idea the last

478
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time I watched it, maybe five years ago. It's like, oh,

479
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,960
he's like a revolutionary figure. But now I see that

480
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,559
he's actually kind of the genius, dark genius in a

481
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:46,360
way that he because he instigates everybody's trigger, Like he

482
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,000
finds everybody's trigger point and pushes it. He pushes it

483
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,360
with the Nerd, he pushes it with Emilio Estevez, the

484
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,559
jock Kirby.

485
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Speaker 6: He pushes it with Molly Ringwald. And he even pushes

486
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the pressure point of the principle.

487
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Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, to.

488
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,039
Speaker 7: The point that it forces the principal to get introspective,

489
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,039
to lose his shit, and then the janitor has to

490
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,159
call out the principle. You remember that, and he even

491
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:17,000
he even insults the janitor, Yeah, you remember that. So

492
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:20,719
the Bender character is just completely anarchic.

493
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Speaker 6: He's outside of any classification or rule or category except

494
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,920
that he's called the criminal.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well he's the outlier.

496
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 6: He is the outlier, and he he forces everyone actually

497
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:36,000
to move out of the box that they're stuck in.

498
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Speaker 8: One of the issues they have is the class warfare.

499
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Speaker 6: That's true. Yeah, I forgot about that because.

500
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Speaker 8: Claire and Emilio Estevet or Ringwoll in this different category

501
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,760
because they're affluent families and jocks and Shirley.

502
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, they pull up in a BMW at the beginning, Well,

503
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:55,440
Mally Ringwold pulls up in a BMW.

504
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,599
Speaker 8: But Emilio is cool because he's a winner.

505
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 6: He's a and he talks about that. He's like, I'm

506
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,320
a winner. You're a loser, he says to Vendor.

507
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:03,559
Speaker 3: Right.

508
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,039
Speaker 8: Yeah, then we got the high school clubs and clicks.

509
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,400
So he makes the scene of asking the nerdy guy,

510
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,559
what do you do? And he's like, well, I'm in

511
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,639
the chess club, in this club and that click and

512
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,840
that thing.

513
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,559
Speaker 6: So which guy says this the nerd guy? Anthony Michael Hall.

514
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was like listing up all of his extra

515
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,599
So even Anthony Michael Hall is in the mindset of

516
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,599
defining himself by the groups that he's in.

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00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. You see, Yeah, you said that it was

518
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true your high school.

519
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Speaker 6: I mean, that's everybody's high school.

520
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Speaker 8: I wouldn't.

521
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Speaker 6: I mean unless you went to some fake and gay,

522
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,840
you age high school where nobody had clicks or there

523
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,199
was no hierarchy. But I can't imagine there ever was

524
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,239
a high school that actually had no hierarchy or had

525
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,159
no clicks. I mean there's always like there's the metal

526
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,239
head dudes, there's like stoner dudes.

527
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 7: Sometimes there's a crossover between metal heads and stoners. There's

528
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,639
the popular jock kids. There's maybe popular party guys who

529
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,159
are rich or something like that that aren't necessarily jocks,

530
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,559
but they're popular dudes. Then there's like artsy cool people,

531
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,920
art hoes, this kind of stuff, and then there's the

532
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,159
rest of the pyramids.

533
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 8: I noticed something about high school when you were showing

534
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,559
me your yearbook and we were talking about who was

535
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,039
somebody and who was nobody. And this is a trope

536
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:29,280
in the movies too, like don't talk to them, they're

537
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,159
a nobody, and that makes you and nobody too.

538
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:31,679
Speaker 6: Right.

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00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 7: Now, again, I'm not saying this is right. I'm saying

540
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that in that in the mindset of high school and

541
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,559
in the mindset of.

542
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Speaker 6: The world, now right, people look at people and they're like, oh,

543
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,239
they're nobody's well what does that mean?

544
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,119
Speaker 7: Well, to be a somebody is to be wealthy, to

545
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:50,760
be famous, to be well, you know, whatever, accomplished in something.

546
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,119
Speaker 6: To have you know, super high Q or whatever.

547
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,519
Speaker 7: That's just the ways of the world obviously on one level.

548
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,440
So there's always a notion of of class warfare and

549
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,719
in group outgroup. What's the word I'm looking for, clicks.

550
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:07,679
I don't know how to describe it.

551
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 6: Tribalism, the cliques, but I.

552
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 7: Mean humans do this sort of naturally to a degree

553
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,039
that there's nothing inherently wrong with having your your clique, right,

554
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,639
it's impossible to have no clique. But a lot of

555
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,239
movies are highlighting this point, and a lot of people

556
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,320
who have this kind of socialist mindset, they actually do

557
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:34,760
think that you can bypass all distinctions and have and achieve.

558
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 6: Some kind of you know, big blob or something like that.

559
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 8: Are there any papers or anything from think tanks that

560
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lay out high school dynamics.

561
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 6: I'm sure, Oh, I have no doubt. Absolutely. I mean,

562
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,840
all of high school and public education is set up

563
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,400
under the old Prussian model of indoctrination. So their good

564
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,039
book on this is the Messianic Character of American Education

565
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,119
by Rush. Actually, I wrote a whole.

566
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:04,199
Speaker 7: Essay at Jasonalysis, so you want to see my summation

567
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,000
of that book. It's a really good book, though, because

568
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,239
it talks about how the whole system is set up

569
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,800
in this kind of behaviorist Pavlovian conditioning. That's what you

570
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,280
see in Breakfast Club is break the attempt to break

571
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,199
out of behaviorist conditioning into being socialized or collectivized, into

572
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,119
defining yourself solely by group. Now I'm not saying again

573
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,039
that there's no such thing as groups. I'm saying that

574
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:32,039
there's no absolute definition of an individual on the basis

575
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,199
of a collective alone or on the basis of a

576
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,239
pure atomistic individualism alone.

577
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,519
Speaker 6: Neither of those are sufficient enough to define the individual.

578
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,000
In fact, the individual is part of both. It's a

579
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,840
one in many relationship. This is key.

580
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Speaker 8: So the loadies get high.

581
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Speaker 6: The loadies. This is a term I never heard in

582
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,159
the eighties, but maybe I wasn't a high school in

583
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,599
the eighties, so I don't know. But loadies, the loaders

584
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:00,559
are over there. This is people that get stone, the loadies.

585
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:06,320
The whole jason Alysis audience are loadies the.

586
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 8: Jed Nelson character. I don't know if he's quoting Bart

587
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,719
Simpson or Bart Simpson gets up from him.

588
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 7: What do you think, Uh, the Simpsons did not exist yet,

589
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,559
So Bart Simpson probably got this from because Bart's kind

590
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:19,920
of a Bender type of character.

591
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 6: He's a chaos character.

592
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

593
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:25,519
Speaker 8: So Bender says, eat my shorts.

594
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 7: You just butt yourself the detention bud, how about another

595
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,639
week bud on another bud?

596
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,519
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, and then he does this the horns, well,

597
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:39,400
he says, it's the hook. The hook on horns, he says, because.

598
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:41,159
Speaker 8: He says, if you mess with the ball, you you

599
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:41,880
get the horns.

600
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Speaker 6: Buddy.

601
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Speaker 3: He does.

602
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 7: But it also could signify that there's this sort of

603
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:53,000
inversion principle at work between both the principal and Bender.

604
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:56,119
They're both these kind of like they're struggling for the

605
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:59,000
sort of alpha position in this group.

606
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 6: It's not actually Kirby or Emilia that's the alpha.

607
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 7: Who's Muliere Tartuf, the author who wrote Muliere wrote the

608
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,440
book Tartuf and Tartuf is about a con man who

609
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:16,320
gets exposed, and so Bender sees himself as the one

610
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,239
who exposes the con of everyone. So there's a very

611
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,039
fascinating reference to Tartuf, which is intentional. There's no doubt

612
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:27,079
in my mind that if you had this when you

613
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,840
had your lit classes in college, you know that that's

614
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,400
what Tartuff is about. And that has to be why

615
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:33,679
Bender references it.

616
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 6: Now.

617
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,679
Speaker 7: He does it ironic, a little a little bit accidentally,

618
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,119
like he's like ripping the pages out of it, and

619
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,519
somebody's like, that's Muliere Tartuf and he's like, yeah, I

620
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,480
don't care. But he's ironically doing the very thing that's

621
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,719
in the book. He's exposing the.

622
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,039
Speaker 8: Cons Oh, no one gets along with their parents in

623
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,519
the eighties. This is a common thing. My parents don't

624
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:55,880
get me.

625
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,519
Speaker 6: Generational strife. Yes, now, I guess this was cool. This

626
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,199
was true supposedly since the sixties counterculture revolution.

627
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 7: Right, that's the first time that we get this notion

628
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,119
interjected in the culture that my parents just don't get me.

629
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: Man.

630
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 6: That was the point of the rebel without a Cause. Yeah,

631
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,480
every different group and rebel without a cause is similar

632
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,199
to Breakfast Club, because every.

633
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 7: Group, the rich, the rebels, the remember the rich kid,

634
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,840
his parents are gone, he's abandoned.

635
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 6: Basically, the James Dean. His dad is a coward. The girl,

636
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,519
her dad is just a total jerk.

637
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,039
Speaker 7: Remember, So there's this this disconnect that signified in that film,

638
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:49,559
and that actually leads to a well, something like a

639
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,000
mass event, like a Columbine style of event at the

640
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:54,599
end of the film. If you haven't seen, it's kind of.

641
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 6: It's kind of curious given that it's sort of like,

642
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:59,480
I'm not saying it's prophetic of columb but I'm just

643
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,800
saying it's it's that it's predicting that the breakup of

644
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,480
the social.

645
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 7: Dynamics of father and son, of mother, child parent that

646
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,159
would lead to this kind of chaos and society.

647
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:13,559
Speaker 6: Anyway, there's similar themes in Breakfast Club, is what I'm

648
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:14,000
trying to say.

649
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 8: Uh, here's a cutdown I've never heard before. I thought

650
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,440
it was pretty fun.

651
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 6: Yes, was that Kirby.

652
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,199
Speaker 8: Neo Maxie zoom Dweeby?

653
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,519
Speaker 6: Was that Moi ring Wilder? Was the Emilia Forgot Neo

654
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:31,760
Maxie zoomed Dweeby?

655
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,199
Speaker 8: Yes, that's awesome.

656
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,119
Speaker 6: It is a good cutdown. I have no idea what

657
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,320
it means, but it is a good cutdown.

658
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,119
Speaker 8: They have some maze posters for your psyche.

659
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 6: Oh that's right on the library door.

660
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: Is that no?

661
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:46,159
Speaker 3: Uh?

662
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's on the door. There's like a

663
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,400
giant in maze and in medieval philosophy, uh and symbolism

664
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:55,159
the maze. In fact, some cathedrals have the maze on

665
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,280
the floor of the cathedral because it's supposed to represent

666
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,159
the maze the psyche as well as the maze of

667
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,920
this life going to the next life.

668
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 6: And so I think that shows us that this is

669
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,719
about uh transformation. This is another theme we're going to see,

670
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,920
especially in Can't Buy Me Love, is psychological transformation and

671
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:15,159
bender is the catalyst.

672
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 8: Then you got the janitor spying on all the kids

673
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,119
hissed eyes in the ears of the whole high school.

674
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 6: Remember that that was interesting. I forgot about that.

675
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,519
Speaker 8: So this adult is in all this kids business, he

676
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:28,360
knows what's going on.

677
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 7: Well, this is a It's a microcosm of society, is

678
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,039
the point of this. A lot of the high school

679
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:36,880
movies are microcosms of society. If you watch Faculty, that's

680
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,000
what the faculty is about.

681
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,599
Speaker 8: Do you remember that scene when they were all whistling

682
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:43,079
a tune?

683
00:48:44,400 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, not to be confused with which is kill Bill.

684
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:04,159
Now this is from.

685
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 7: Bridge over the River Kuhi classic movie with the Obi

686
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,519
Wan Kenobi about prisoners of war, and when they're marching

687
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,159
because they're prisoners, they whistle that famous tune. It's referenced

688
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,559
a million times over in a million different pop culture things.

689
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:23,880
It's referenced here because they're referencing their imprisonment, right, But

690
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,000
it's not just an imprisonment in this detention. They're imprisoned

691
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:33,119
in the masks and the confines that have been given

692
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,639
to them to define them.

693
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:40,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then we find out that the Bender character

694
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,119
has got some domestic abuse and he's got some trauma

695
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:44,800
rage going.

696
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 6: Yes, he's traumatized, right, So his dad beats him.

697
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 7: And he doesn't have any fear at all until the

698
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,400
principle gets him alone, and he's almost right to fight

699
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,760
the principal, right, But the principle, it's almost like the

700
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,960
principal knows too. He's not as unassuming or stupid as

701
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,320
he lets on. He knows that Bender has a weakness

702
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:13,960
and so he triggers him with that.

703
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 8: That's why the principle is so aggressive.

704
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,519
Speaker 7: That he reminds him of his dad, and he reminds

705
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:19,960
him of his abuse of dad, and I think the

706
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,840
principal knows this, and this is the way to push

707
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,000
Bender's button and to get him to calm down, and

708
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,480
he goes into like crying kid mode.

709
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 8: And that's why Bender wants all the kids to rebel

710
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,079
against authority, because authority is corrupt.

711
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 7: Yes, because the father archetype for him is the enemy.

712
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,159
The father archetype is the one that has imprisoned each

713
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of these people in their traits and in their psychological boxes.

714
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:51,920
It is Bender is a Luciferian revolutionary character, a dark hero.

715
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 8: And then he finds out that the other kid's home

716
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,920
life is just as unsatisfying. All these kids their parents

717
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,920
don't listen to them, even if they have all the

718
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:07,920
material wealth. Their parents are absentee like Molly Ringwold.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, or in the case of Anthony Michael Hall, that

720
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they are pressuring him so much about getting a bad

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grade that he's considering suicide.

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00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,159
Speaker 8: Oh right, he brought a gun to school because he

723
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got f and something.

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00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,039
Speaker 7: Yet again another intimation of why are we seeing kids

725
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:28,000
acting out like what we see, you know, starting in

726
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,079
the nineties or so, this is eighties. Now we have

727
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:33,400
two at least, so we have Anthony Michael Hall and

728
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,320
what is the theme of Heathers? Right, the theme of

729
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,760
Heathers is a very similar to Columbine type of thing.

730
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Speaker 8: I like when they smoke weed, it makes some introspective

731
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:45,920
about all of their issues, kind of levels the playing.

732
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Speaker 6: Field to make I think Bender knows that this is

733
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,920
the way to get them to not only bond, but

734
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,039
actually to get introspective and to open up. It's almost

735
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:59,880
like a form of confession that they go through remember yeah, yeah,

736
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and they start crying.

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Speaker 8: And then they Amelia's confession was he was there because

738
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he tapes on kids buns together, so.

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Speaker 10: He was a bully, but he didn't how do you

740
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,039
take buns together, by the way, because if you just

741
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put if you lay the tape over the crack, like

742
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you can just pop it off.

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Speaker 6: But if you go all the way around, he just long.

744
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 8: Ways like a couple of strips. I don't know right later.

745
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 6: Taking buns together.

746
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 8: But he is a bully because his dad's a bully

747
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:36,920
and his dad expects.

748
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Speaker 6: Him to do this, right, So this is about like

749
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father figures as archetypes.

750
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Speaker 8: So there's this power dynamics, the strength and weakness. So

751
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,199
Amelia picks on the weak kids because he think doesn't

752
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,639
want his dad to same as week. But then he

753
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:57,760
is super repentive because he feels bad that the kid

754
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,199
he picked on dad will see them is weak, right, right,

755
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:12,679
so that was his revelation. They were all lacking aspects

756
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that the other archetypes had.

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Speaker 6: Interesting This is a good point, right, So.

758
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Speaker 7: You can't just define yourself as an individual, but you

759
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,840
also can't define yourself purely as part of a single collective.

760
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Speaker 6: In fact, there are aspects of each of the different

761
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:31,199
archetypes that you could use to integrate to you know,

762
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,320
to use union speak, right, yeah, Oh you.

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Speaker 8: Know what another trope of all these.

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Speaker 6: Moves like Anthony michaelholl lacked what courage?

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Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, it's a very Wizard of oz To story. Yeah,

766
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:51,360
Amelio lack compassion. Losing your virginity is a big theme

767
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,639
in eighties TS movies. You can almost say almost all

768
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of them have it in some way.

769
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Speaker 3: Right.

770
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,599
Speaker 7: Well, that's why Bender is the perfect contrast to Molly Ringwald,

771
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,079
because Molly Ringwald is.

772
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Speaker 8: A virgin but she doesn't even want to admit it.

773
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:12,639
Speaker 6: But she doesn't want to admit it, and Bender keeps

774
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pressing her on it because he's trying to get her

775
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,559
to see that the things that she takes pride in

776
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,800
are really just they're not really her. She's not identical

777
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,800
to the things that she takes pride in.

778
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 7: Or that she defines herself by. This the whole movie

779
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,239
is just about what do you define yourself by? And

780
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,000
by the way, that whole scene was improvised, which is interesting.

781
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,800
Supposedly the group confession scene.

782
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 8: Is really.

783
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Speaker 6: Go ahead. That's all we have on the notes for okay,

784
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:48,679
so some of the facts. It was supposed to be

785
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a series, they're going to be more.

786
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 7: They wanted to do a franchise. There was a dream

787
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:02,000
sequence where the Ali Sheety character sees them as different archetypes.

788
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,239
So she would have seen Andrew as a viking, Bender

789
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,119
as a prisoner, Clara as a bride, Brian.

790
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,039
Speaker 6: As an astronaut, and she was a vampire.

791
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 8: She was like an early golf Someone said, what about

792
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:17,480
Bassy case? So her was her parents ignored her? So

793
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,320
she acts out and acts weird because she's neglected. Yeah,

794
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,239
no one sees her.

795
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 6: She's also not been like she She doesn't know how

796
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,760
to feed herself, remember what she eats. She doesn't know

797
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:36,880
how to have proper new church. She's been neglected. It

798
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,559
says that there was supposed to be two teachers having

799
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:46,400
a discussion. It was just a cut scene. Rick Moranis

800
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,719
was supposed to be in it didn't make it.

801
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 7: Emilia was actually supposed to be Bender, and Molly Ringwall

802
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:04,400
was supposed to play Allie Sheety. Many many A listers

803
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:08,320
auditioned and didn't get it. Juddie Foster, Laura Dern, John

804
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:16,679
Cusack and Nicholas Cage. There's a John Hughes cameo. He's

805
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,679
Brian's father.

806
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Speaker 6: And speaking.

807
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Speaker 7: That's why I keep saying Kirby is because all of

808
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the same people end up in Saint Almost.

809
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 6: Fire, where Emilio is Kirby. The Dandriff is cheese.

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Speaker 7: I was wondering that did Ali Sheety really have that

811
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:50,760
much nasty Dandriff? No, it's cheese, Farmers cheese. Dandriff So

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Speaker 8: Is this fun did not take place in Chicago, took

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Speaker 6: Is it supposed to be California? No, it's it's New Mexico. Yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 8: Starts out with the disrespectful daughter named Cindy and she's

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Speaker 8: Then ungrateful, heartless, narcissist guy.

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Speaker 7: Right now, You'll notice butterflies are all throughout this film.

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This is something I noticed years and years ago, and

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I thought that that's interesting butterflies. Obviously, I'm not saying

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it's in keultra. It's just a symbol of transformation. What

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happens to the.

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Speaker 6: Butterfly, right, It goes to the larvae to butterfly process.

881
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And that's what's going on here.

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Speaker 7: Is that a lot of times when you see butterfly,

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it just symbolizes transformation. Sometimes it does symbolize in kilt,

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but not always monarch, right.

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Speaker 6: But not always.

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Speaker 8: One thing I noticed about these movies. They try to

887
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put in your head that your senior year is the

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biggest year of your whole life, Like nothing is ever

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going to be greater than this, So you have to

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make it the best, right, and you have to be

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in a click or a tribe to get along in

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high school there's no like loaners get eaten and yes

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turn into like ashes and they float away as nobody's

894
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dust in the wind.

895
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Speaker 6: And Patrick Dempsey is in with nerds.

896
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:49,559
Speaker 8: Yeah.

897
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:51,639
Speaker 7: Right, So there's a group of nerds and they play

898
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,480
poker every night. The popular kids go to parties and

899
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drink war.

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Speaker 8: One thing about this was his friends are kind of cool,

901
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:00,840
and he has friends and they do things, and I mean,

902
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,920
yes they're nerdy, but they're not good enough.

903
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Speaker 6: So he's got the eighties.

904
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Speaker 7: There weren't there weren't in cells yet in eighties movies

905
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:09,719
there were just nerds, and nerds had a click like

906
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they had Buddies Revenge of the Nerds. Right, there's always

907
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:15,119
a group of the nerdy guys. Yeah, and so as

908
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:17,920
you noted the cools in the Nerds, they're called the

909
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:24,199
Cools and the Nerds, right, Yeah, But he wants to

910
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climb the ladder. He's like, I'm sick of this. I

911
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want to be in that click because they've got it all.

912
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,039
They've got the chicks, they've got the fame, they've got

913
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:36,000
the fun, they got beer, the good lunch table, the

914
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,159
cool lunch table. Yeah, and we have none of that.

915
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,039
And so they're sitting there and they're just like, man,

916
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,599
I want that. Yeah, And the other nerds are like,

917
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:46,519
you can't have that, and he's he's daring. He's like, no,

918
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:47,320
I can't.

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Speaker 6: I think I can.

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Speaker 8: I like how the dad, his dad is living in

921
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,159
his generation's glory days, Like he's got the transient whatever.

922
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,639
Speaker 6: No, he's got a station wagon that he's got tricked.

923
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Speaker 8: Out, oh like the woody yeah of the beach boys.

924
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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and he lets pack drive that.

925
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Speaker 8: Yeah all right, nerds invest So he's got this money.

926
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Speaker 6: He's right. The nerds are responding.

927
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Speaker 7: They're think they think about the future, right, the popular

928
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,920
kids the job They just think about the here and

929
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the now, which is interesting because when we get to

930
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,480
Ferris Bueller, this is going to be inverted because Faris

931
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:29,719
doesn't care about the future. Ferris lives totally for the moment,

932
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it's very it's very interesting.

933
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Speaker 8: Beta orbiter pay piggy for popularity.

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Speaker 6: So I didn't know what a paypiggy was, and I

935
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or somebody was talking about pay piggies one day and I.

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get paid to do this. I saw a video of

943
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:10,599
this one disgusting, like three hundred pound woman. She's like,

944
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:14,000
this is what my fucking pay piggys do for me,

945
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,719
and she fans out like hundreds of dollars. She's like,

946
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I got ten thousand dollars from my fucking pay piggys.

947
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I hate you pay piggies, your bunch of scum. I

948
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,360
want to step on you with my high heels and

949
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,519
put it in your nostril and crunch down.

950
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Speaker 6: And they're like, yes, yes, yes, here, take fifty dollars,

951
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,079
Take one hundred dollars, more and more and more. Really,

952
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:36,519
this exists, don't look at this exists.

953
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 7: People, paying disgusting fat women to insult them, paying them

954
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:43,880
ten thousand dollars.

955
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:45,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, can you believe this?

956
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:52,079
Speaker 8: Well, he's paying her to pretend to be his girlfriend, right, Yeah,

957
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:52,800
I'm trying.

958
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:56,079
Speaker 7: To so on the guy scale, the cool guy scale,

959
01:04:56,119 --> 01:04:59,599
I'm trying to figure out the scheme. I mean, he

960
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:02,559
gets some points for creativity, but this game, this scheme

961
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:06,719
is pretty beta. But at the same time, he's figuring

962
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,119
out that a lot of this is.

963
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 6: Image, a lot of this is fake.

964
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,679
Speaker 7: So he's like, well, the popular kids have money. If

966
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,760
I get money, I can buy popularity. And all I

967
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,159
have to do is And so he finds her the check.

968
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,239
You know, she needs the dress. She needs that, she's

969
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,920
got to have this dress. Consumerism comes into to play here.

970
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:31,440
Can I just buy popularity? Can I buy love?

971
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:33,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the.

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01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 7: Point of this movie, right again, consumerism, capitalism, americanism being critiqued.

973
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:43,079
Speaker 7: And he does hatch a pretty elaborate scheme here, right,

975
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:48,119
I mean, it's it's interesting, still pretty beta though. I

976
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:52,320
don't know, but I heard that mystery think of like mystery,

977
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,039
you know, the mystery method and the pickup guy.

978
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,719
Speaker 6: Right, Well, he would like pay, he would rent and

979
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,440
pay girls to hang out. So it looked like, oh,

980
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:04,559
so he was essentially doing the same thing. And if

981
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:06,920
you read pay for His Image, yes, and if you

982
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:13,400
read about this movie, it was actually critiqued because in

983
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:14,400
the when they did the.

984
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 7: What's it called where they did the showings for people

985
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,239
who you know, is this too sensitive for audiences? You know,

986
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,800
I'm talking about where they show it to people ahead

987
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,400
of time, not a trailer, but like the focus group

988
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:29,039
that they thought that it was implying that he was

989
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,960
paying her to have sex, and they were like, you

990
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:35,519
need to alter this to me because it was implied

991
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,400
I guess originally in the script.

992
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 6: That that's what he's paying for.

993
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:41,159
Speaker 7: Okay, so they had to alter that to make it

994
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,239
not about that and just about you know, just maybe look.

995
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 8: Cool psychological warfare. I don't know what that means. Do

996
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:51,039
you remember that in the movie.

997
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,559
Speaker 6: I think it was a situation where I think it

998
01:06:56,679 --> 01:06:59,280
had to do with just the way he was trying

999
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,000
to project an image, and then it was all about like,

1000
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:08,039
it's perception management. That's all. The whole movie is about.

1001
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 7: Perception management and projecting an image. But there are actually

1002
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,679
espionage references in the film, like there's multiple situations where

1003
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,519
it starts he refers to himself as like Bond or something,

1004
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:20,039
and then.

1005
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:24,639
Speaker 6: You hear the secret age man. You hear that playing,

1006
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:27,360
and there is I think a reference to psychological worker.

1007
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 8: Seth Green is in this movie as a little kid.

1008
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 6: Now, what are gray poems in Gray Space, Broken Moon?

1009
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 3: What is that? Oh?

1010
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 8: She writes poems or he writes poems and they're dumb.

1011
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 6: Oh that's right.

1012
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so her jock boyfriend doesn't care about her poems,

1013
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:52,079
but of course Patrick Dempsey does.

1014
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 8: He didn't see her. Yeah, And then of course there's

1015
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,320
the big school dance after they have a fake breakup,

1016
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,119
remember hm. And that's the most important thing is the

1017
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:13,280
school dance. And that's where he like makes up that

1018
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:20,560
he mixes up PBS with American Bandstand and he takes

1019
01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:22,600
the tribal.

1020
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 6: Dance the African ant eater.

1021
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:29,319
Speaker 8: Yes, so there's always some big dance move in the

1022
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,479
eighties teen movies, right, that the whole school has.

1023
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,520
Speaker 6: To learn and they do it quite often, there is.

1024
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1025
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 6: Oh.

1026
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 8: Another thing is when he moves up in the world,

1027
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,560
he forgets his nobody friends.

1028
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,119
Speaker 6: So that's yeah, this happens a lot too, where people

1029
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,119
climb the ladder and then they're like, oh, I'm too

1030
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:49,279
good for you now haha.

1031
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 8: And then you know they have to eat crow and

1032
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:53,560
go apologize to their old friends.

1033
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,319
Speaker 6: I'm about to blow up back, like, I don't know

1034
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:59,479
you yeah, hold on, hold on. There was something else.

1035
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:00,119
Someone says, So.

1036
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 7: There is a lot of moon symbolism in this film,

1037
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:08,039
and the Moon mission comes up. I'm not sure what

1038
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,119
I think of the Moon mission, or I mean, I mean,

1039
01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:12,680
I know what I think of the Moon mission. We

1040
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,600
know about the fake and all that, but I'm not

1041
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,079
sure what I think about the moon symbolism in this film.

1042
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 8: Do you have any idea what that he wanted to

1043
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,880
save to buy a telescope.

1044
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,039
Speaker 7: Yes, that's right, and that's why the Moon mission comes

1045
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:29,319
up and he tells her all about the moon, like

1046
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,359
he starts talking about, you know, the craters and the

1047
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,279
different places. I know that, But there's also symbolism to

1048
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:38,600
the moon, is what I'm trying to get at. So

1049
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:39,920
on a symbolic level, what.

1050
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 8: Moon changes faces?

1051
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 6: That's true, Yes, good point. He's spying on us in

1052
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,640
his spasmobile. Most a good one. What is that.

1053
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 8: He gets a slow clap at the end, that's an eighties.

1054
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:03,279
Speaker 6: Like remember like one person starts clapping, what do you mean?

1055
01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 8: Well, he there's a speech, and then one yeah, one

1056
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,920
person starts clapping, and then every the rest are classing

1057
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:15,119
okay except to him again m hm, can't buy me.

1058
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 6: Let's see.

1059
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 3: Uh.

1060
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 7: There were some interesting facts about this, which one of

1061
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:30,960
which was the fact that it was originally called Boy

1062
01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:33,319
Rints Girl, and they had to change the movie because

1063
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:36,680
too many people thought that it sounded like, uh, you know,

1064
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:38,800
Lady of the Evening type of stuff.

1065
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 6: That's why it almost didn't get made, it says in

1066
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,319
the facts. Originally it was it was an indie film.

1067
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,479
That's I don't know why that was the case. I

1068
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,119
guess it got bought and bought it by Disney or something.

1069
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

1070
01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:00,039
Speaker 6: It had some more r rated material that was later removed.

1071
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 7: The you shit on my house this line, which is

1072
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:13,000
probably the most famous. It says, it was almost removed they.

1073
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:19,199
Speaker 6: Thought it was too edgy. So the babe in this

1074
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,359
died in twenty fifteen. Apparently she had a drug addiction,

1075
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,039
as many of the Hollywood youthful stars do.

1076
01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:32,119
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, and then Paula Abdul did all this goofy dance

1077
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:33,479
and cheerleading scenes in this.

1078
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and Rico se Gerardo Rico Sabe is in

1079
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,359
the movie. He's one of the goons, one of the

1080
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:45,000
popular goons. I thought he looked familiar. I was like,

1081
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:49,560
what is that anyway? So those are the facts of

1082
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:59,640
Can't Buy Me Love Again? Another commentary on consumerism americanism. Right, No,

1083
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:04,479
it is them. Which one should we do? Yeah?

1084
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 7: I think we should save these two for the last

1085
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,960
because they're the bit. No, we're not in a hurry.

1086
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:12,960
These are these are the biggest some of it. So

1087
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,079
we should save those two. So we'll do this one next.

1088
01:12:15,159 --> 01:12:19,319
This is an interesting one. Uh So, Christopher Chris Columbus

1089
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,119
has done some films that do have esoteric themes. I

1090
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,640
think this is the only film that has some esoteric

1091
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,960
themes inmbedded in it.

1092
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,520
Speaker 6: More so at least than the other ones. And if

1093
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,479
you remember in Not at the Museum, it's all about

1094
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,079
the Emerald tablet. So there's actually this weird alchemical stuff

1095
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:41,239
going on in Not at the Museum with you know,

1096
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:45,079
Ben Stiller and all that stuff. And so this is

1097
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:48,279
Adventures in Babysitting is another Chris Columbus film.

1098
01:12:48,359 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 7: So in nineteen eighty seven. Go ahead, and there's some

1099
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,680
interesting facts that I'll have for this one as well.

1100
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,359
So here's my crazy thesis on what Adventures in Baby's

1101
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:00,920
Thing is about.

1102
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:03,159
Speaker 8: He thinks it's about the descent.

1103
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,159
Speaker 6: Yes, I think this is a Dante type of story.

1104
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 8: Interestingly, what is Shelley from one?

1105
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 6: Oh?

1106
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,239
Speaker 8: The little girl who is in love with Thor is

1107
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:19,760
also a character called Shelley. And the.

1108
01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:25,399
Speaker 6: Parker Lewis is Yeah, whoa look at that guy. He's

1109
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,199
like Bloomer. Now he's not even he's like my agent Boomer.

1110
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 8: You can't read.

1111
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:35,159
Speaker 6: You can't read that.

1112
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 8: They're nerdy. Oh, everybody, everybody has.

1113
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,279
Speaker 6: A horny friend. That's a nerd.

1114
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 7: Let's see, yeah, let's see friends. Okay, So all right,

1115
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,920
So once again, this is about the suburbs. This is

1116
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:59,920
about the difference in inner city degenerously the city live

1117
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:07,279
contrasted with the ease, simplicity, luxury utopia Eden of the suburbs.

1118
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 8: That's in risky business too and breakfast club.

1119
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, hold on, we'reing risky business is the city? Oh,

1120
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:19,760
that's right, because the pimp is in the city, that's right. Yes,

1121
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,520
And so the vices make their way from the city

1122
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,159
outwards to the suburbs.

1123
01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 6: Right, good point, and in which which one another one

1124
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:32,119
he said. One of the other ones says cities and

1125
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:34,840
breakfast club. They don't really have the city in that,

1126
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:35,600
do they.

1127
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 8: Well, moll character is luxury city.

1128
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, but they're all still at a suburban I guess

1129
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,439
the suburbs. But this is very explicit. So they will

1130
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:48,880
go on.

1131
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 7: A journey from edenic suburbia into a descent into hades,

1132
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,239
and there will actually be multiple references to It's.

1133
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,399
Speaker 6: Like they're going into hades or to help.

1134
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 8: Does that make her friend at the bus stop.

1135
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 6: Like, yes, So the friend who runs away.

1136
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,039
Speaker 7: This whole thing is kicked off because, first of all,

1137
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,479
Elizabeth Shoot is supposed to have an anniversary date with

1138
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,399
her boyfriend. Her boyfriend, of course, is the douchebag, as always,

1139
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,520
the jock douchebag who is cheating on her. But she

1140
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,479
doesn't know this, so he cancels right, and she has

1141
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,600
to babysit. She thought she was going to get out

1142
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,680
of babysitting because of him, but then she's in. She's

1143
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,079
rubbed into babysitting the same time, her friend runs away

1144
01:15:32,079 --> 01:15:32,800
from home and.

1145
01:15:33,039 --> 01:15:37,359
Speaker 6: Is stuck in the pits of hell. Quite literally. It's like,

1146
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,439
I mean this, this is like the worst bus stop ever.

1147
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,319
It has everything in it. It's got like midgets, it's

1148
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:48,640
got hobo's living in phone booths, it's got rats side

1149
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,439
everything in in this bus station. So she's got to

1150
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:54,159
go save her front.

1151
01:15:54,319 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Ohari, it's weirdos and creeps.

1152
01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 8: Yes, is a Playboy magazine? Is the mcguffin of this movie?

1153
01:16:07,039 --> 01:16:07,239
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1154
01:16:07,359 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 7: So interestingly the mcguffin is p o prawn poh are in.

1155
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:20,439
And there's this weird thing where the issue has Elizabeth Shoe.

1156
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,760
I mean, it's not in real life in the movie,

1157
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,520
it's not actually her, but it looks like her, and

1158
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:26,439
everybody's like, it's you.

1159
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,199
Speaker 6: She's like, no, it's not, it's not me. But by

1160
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:33,199
the way, in the facts on the film, she had

1161
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:36,640
to shoot that, but it wasn't a real nude shoot.

1162
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,119
You see. This is a weird. It's a weird. But so,

1163
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:41,399
why is this the mcguffin. Is this significant?

1164
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 8: It could be Yeah, like why is she twins with

1165
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:45,560
the Playboy?

1166
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,279
Speaker 6: Well, it's like it's one of the many vices of

1167
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:51,960
the city, like migrating out to the suburbs. You say,

1168
01:16:55,239 --> 01:16:57,960
so the whole movie is losing motown.

1169
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:06,359
Speaker 8: So first they're flat tire right, right, and then they

1170
01:17:06,399 --> 01:17:08,199
gets saved by the guy with the hook.

1171
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 6: Well, don't forget too that. So the daughter has this

1172
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:13,920
this Shelley, I don't rememb her name, but Shelley from

1173
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,880
Porker Lewis. She has this image of the city is

1174
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,880
where you have this giant castle, which is the Serious

1175
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:24,479
Tower or something a billion looks like that. She thinks

1176
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,560
that's it where Thorpe lives. Right, So thor lives in

1177
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,000
the city and he fights darkness in the city. So

1178
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:36,520
she has this mythological view of the city life and

1179
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,359
the country because she reads comic books, so she reads

1180
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:44,520
everything in archetypes, narrative archetypes. Nobody else does. But ironically

1181
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,199
she's the one that's right. Remember, because they actually meet.

1182
01:17:47,119 --> 01:17:56,039
Speaker 7: Thor Oh, they get flat higher and then so this

1183
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:58,399
is at the entrance of the underworld. So the crazy

1184
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,159
hooked guy, which matches up to the horror the scary

1185
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:05,039
story that Elizabeth Shoe told. This freaks them out and

1186
01:18:05,159 --> 01:18:07,319
so they realize that they're entering into hades.

1187
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:12,079
Speaker 11: Right, They're stuck, and then they get in big trouble

1188
01:18:12,079 --> 01:18:14,439
before they end up in a chop shop, right, the

1189
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,279
cars stolen, they end up going it's like layers and

1190
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:17,960
layers and layers.

1191
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,199
Speaker 7: If you've read, yeah, if you've read The Divine Comedy,

1192
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:23,800
then you know that it's exact same way. And Dante, right,

1193
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,840
the Virgil takes him deeper and deeper and deeper into

1194
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:33,039
more and more degeneracy and craziness, fear until the final,

1195
01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:36,800
you know, confrontation at the center of Hades with Satan himself.

1196
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:43,039
Silver Dollar Room, Well, I think the significance here is

1197
01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:44,920
that as they go deeper and deeper in when they

1198
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,239
finally get to the blues club, it's called the Silver

1199
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:51,720
Dollar Room, and so it's just signifying that the city

1200
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:54,000
is based around money.

1201
01:18:54,279 --> 01:18:56,399
Speaker 6: It's like it's just one of the many vices that

1202
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,000
controls the city.

1203
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:01,239
Speaker 8: And then they run into another.

1204
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,079
Speaker 6: Right, so they had that.

1205
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 7: The scene where they're singing is awful. It's just baby Baby,

1206
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,319
it's just totally retarded.

1207
01:19:07,079 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 6: Dumb song.

1208
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 7: But they have to sing their way out of like

1209
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,920
these It's like it's like a video game, like it's

1210
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,079
like one boss after another boss. Right, Yeah, and then

1211
01:19:17,079 --> 01:19:19,439
they made a prostitute, so they're starting to see all

1212
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,760
of these different vices in the city. It's like city

1213
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,920
life is nothing but vices. It's almost comical at one

1214
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,319
level because at one point they even talk about like

1215
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,960
any kids that are seen in the city.

1216
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,520
Speaker 6: Are immediately killed. You don't immediately die if you're in

1217
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:33,960
the city.

1218
01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 8: If they're on the streets, they're.

1219
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:36,159
Speaker 6: On the street, they're gonna die.

1220
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:39,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they did run into us.

1221
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 6: So they run into a lady of the evening.

1222
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,159
Speaker 8: Yeah, and they're like, you're not seventeen. She's like, yes,

1223
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:45,520
I am. And they're like, what are you doing out here?

1224
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:46,399
She's like, I ran away.

1225
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 7: Run away from home, run away from home, run away

1226
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,880
from home. This keeps coming up in the film. Even

1227
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,279
the girl who actually did run away, when she finds

1228
01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:56,199
what she thinks is a cat and it's a giant rat,

1229
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,439
she's like, oh, did you run away from home? Everything

1230
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,920
is about run away from home, and even these kids

1231
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:02,760
run away from home.

1232
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:03,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1233
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, so oh, and then there's a scene where they're

1234
01:20:09,279 --> 01:20:10,439
stuck in a gang fight.

1235
01:20:11,079 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 6: Yeah. This part's comical because but the gangs are like

1236
01:20:14,079 --> 01:20:17,680
two groups of falling like West Side Story gangs. They

1237
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,600
look like they're going to break into dance at any

1238
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:24,479
moment not threatening at all, or like the gangs in

1239
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,399
Michael Jackson's Bad Video.

1240
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,319
Speaker 8: You know they're called the Lords of Hell.

1241
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,239
Speaker 6: They're called the Lords of Hell again telling you that

1242
01:20:31,319 --> 01:20:34,039
they're actually in Hades or Hell. This is a descent story.

1243
01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 7: It's a harrowing where you said, persephone story into the underworld.

1244
01:20:38,039 --> 01:20:40,399
And also, by the way, the villains in the chop

1245
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,079
shop they wear skull t shirts.

1246
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:51,319
Speaker 8: So she's like the mom babysitter. Oh I get it, okay,

1247
01:20:54,359 --> 01:20:57,840
eighties frat party. There's always a frat house party in

1248
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:02,119
eighties movies, right right, And he is the.

1249
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,279
Speaker 6: Hero archetype. He helps her get out.

1250
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,159
Speaker 7: Remember he gives her fifty dollars forty dollars all he goes,

1251
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:12,720
so he pays her way out of Hades basically.

1252
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 8: Well that Another thing in the eighties movies is if

1253
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,199
you have a cheating guy, there's always a nicer guy,

1254
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:23,119
like right there right the day that you figure out

1255
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:26,439
he's cheating, and your perfect prince shows up.

1256
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,039
Speaker 6: Now the logo the garage man's thing that so they're

1257
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,319
stock they have they don't have the ride. They don't

1258
01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:34,079
have a ride out of Hades, right, so they have

1259
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:38,359
to pay the garage man. Or like River Styx. You

1260
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,159
can't get out until you pay the toll.

1261
01:21:40,319 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 8: That's what you have.

1262
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,159
Speaker 6: The coins on your eyes, which are silver dollars.

1263
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 8: You say, oh good.

1264
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 6: So they have to pay the garage man to get out.

1265
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:52,359
He's the again, the the what's the guy called who takes.

1266
01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 8: You from ferryman?

1267
01:21:53,840 --> 01:22:00,319
Speaker 6: The faeryman? Yeah, Thor says, Thor does show up. He

1268
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:01,279
actually has a hammer.

1269
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:07,520
Speaker 7: She offers him her Thor hat and he's like, no,

1270
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,239
I can't take that, but he does, ironically sort of

1271
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,039
turn into the archetype before.

1272
01:22:13,399 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 6: It's very interest beeved.

1273
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 8: She turned him to good innocence.

1274
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 6: And he makes an interesting point too about being in

1275
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,399
the city. He says, this is the city. I don't

1276
01:22:27,399 --> 01:22:34,680
help other people. I help myself. So her the bus

1277
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:39,000
station is like the lowest level of hell. How does

1278
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:39,880
she get out of the bus station?

1279
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:40,359
Speaker 8: I don't remember?

1280
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:52,520
Speaker 7: And then so that one was interesting, Let's see interesting facts.

1281
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:59,039
Paramount only wanted Molly Ringwall didn't want Elizabeth Shoe Chris

1282
01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:00,520
Columbus's first movie.

1283
01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 6: Uh. They had to spread trash everywhere because it was.

1284
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 7: Filmed in Toronto and it was too clean. They had

1285
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,920
to break into the subway to shoot that one scene

1286
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:13,680
with the fake ass gangs.

1287
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 6: They wanted it to be he Man, but they couldn't

1288
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:21,279
get the rights to he Man. Elizabeth who did not

1289
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:29,119
pose for Playboy. Elizabeth Shoe dated Brad and dumped him

1290
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:33,680
both on and off screen. Isn't that interesting? He was

1291
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,279
typecast as a jerk and they tried to get this.

1292
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:43,039
They try to spin off with Joey Lawrence and that

1293
01:23:43,159 --> 01:23:46,399
did not work. What's up?

1294
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 8: We got say anything? In curricular love?

1295
01:23:53,039 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 6: I don't like see so much? What's how's it going?

1296
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,039
So much pain.

1297
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:07,560
Speaker 12: And this loneliness fills my heart? Remember I drive off

1298
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:12,680
in myne I want to run away, drive.

1299
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 6: Off in my car. Oh my instant.

1300
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 9: There return the Grand Fassa without a noise. Oh my bride,

1301
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,640
I reach out from the inside.

1302
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 8: In your rise such hammer.

1303
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,119
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm on my way. I'm making it big time.

1304
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 7: That has an all sing on, by the way, big time. Well,

1305
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,640
the video shows you how to make it big time.

1306
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:51,800
Oh it's about selling your soul. Go watch the go,

1307
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:53,159
watch the go watch the video.

1308
01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, anyway, once again, prom graduation is the biggest

1309
01:24:59,079 --> 01:25:03,920
day of your whole life. This to say anything? John Cusack.

1310
01:25:05,239 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 6: Can I do Michael Adams from Robin Hood Prince of

1311
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,279
these Brian Adams?

1312
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:15,279
Speaker 8: You mean not Michael Adams looking too my.

1313
01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:20,359
Speaker 6: You see, oh man?

1314
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 8: That is you mean too?

1315
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 7: That makes my soul crumple up into a ball and

1316
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,680
fall into the trash. That hate that song so much

1317
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,880
because when I was a kid, they would That's the

1318
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:33,439
only song.

1319
01:25:33,319 --> 01:25:35,319
Speaker 6: They were playing the radio all the times, like Michael

1320
01:25:35,359 --> 01:25:38,840
Jowl or something. Is that the one with staying in

1321
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,880
Brian Adams? No, I think it's just that's three musketeers.

1322
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:50,039
That one's the worst. How's that go? Let's do it

1323
01:25:50,560 --> 01:26:01,920
all for what alone? Anyway? Oh, by the way, shout

1324
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,640
out to Coco if you are watching, because we know

1325
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:10,199
a relative of a Yona Sky So she is a

1326
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,920
longtime Jay's Analysis listener and a fan of the esoteric

1327
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:15,760
Hollywood books.

1328
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 7: H And she is a relative of Eona Sky, So

1329
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,520
shout out to her if she's watching.

1330
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,159
Speaker 6: But yes, so, Say Anything is a good movie. It

1331
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:27,920
is also not it's an atypical teen movie.

1332
01:26:28,039 --> 01:26:31,119
Speaker 7: This is Cameron Crowe and Kimon Crwe. Yeah, so, Kevin

1333
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:34,520
Crowe has quite a few interesting films. Tell us about

1334
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:35,039
Say Anything?

1335
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 8: This is another movie about authentic nobody's versus fake popular people, right,

1336
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:45,640
and also.

1337
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:55,119
Speaker 6: Uh, fraudulent authority figures with the dad. So it's prom

1338
01:26:55,239 --> 01:26:56,560
it's it's the end of the It's the end of

1339
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,880
senior year, and that's a fun time. If you remember

1340
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,520
the end of your senior year, do you remember that?

1341
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,359
I mean, you were homeschool but you had a senior hear,

1342
01:27:05,399 --> 01:27:05,680
didn't you?

1343
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,319
Speaker 8: I went to college in my senior year.

1344
01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 6: Were you like an ap advanced nerd?

1345
01:27:11,079 --> 01:27:11,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1346
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,119
Speaker 6: I was a coolie. I wasn't a nerd.

1347
01:27:14,119 --> 01:27:19,239
Speaker 8: Okay, So the brain stay with brains and the jocks

1348
01:27:19,279 --> 01:27:20,079
stay with jocks.

1349
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,039
Speaker 7: Now Lloyd, Lloyd Dobbler is not a nerd. Let's make

1350
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:26,520
this clear. So Lloyd is an outlier. He's kind of

1351
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:31,119
like Vender. He's like, he's just eccentric. He he doesn't

1352
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,720
care about that kind of stuff. He's into kick.

1353
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, he wants to be a So he's actually kind

1354
01:27:36,079 --> 01:27:38,399
of got some you know, alpha mojo. He's not afraid

1355
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:38,920
of anything.

1356
01:27:39,159 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: You know what.

1357
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 8: I really liked his character in the way that they

1358
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,720
made him an alpha without being a jock, in the

1359
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,720
way that he was responsible for everyone at the party.

1360
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,199
He took all their keys, so that you can't drive drunk.

1361
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 7: And he doesn't fit into any of the groups. Yeah,

1362
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,199
he's not a he's not He doesn't fit into any

1363
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:59,600
of the groups, which makes his character interesting because usually

1364
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,920
in the eighties films that you're either the nerd who's

1365
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,479
trying to get you know, Patrick Dempsey or your you know,

1366
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,680
the job or whatever, or the popular girl. Right, but

1367
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,760
here the popular girl is there is some class warfare

1368
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,920
because if you remember, we don't know why, but John

1369
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:20,199
Cusack is living with his sister and her single she's

1370
01:28:20,279 --> 01:28:23,359
a single mom, and he's living with them. Where are

1371
01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:25,479
the parents, We don't know, they're out of the picture.

1372
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,159
So this is forced John Cusack to kind of grow

1373
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:31,680
up fast. That's why he's responsible. He has to be

1374
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:32,159
an uncle.

1375
01:28:32,399 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 6: Help out.

1376
01:28:39,119 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 8: Who is Oh so here again they have teens have

1377
01:28:45,159 --> 01:28:50,520
so much pressure trope. Oh, there was a super advanced

1378
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,520
cell phone in the movie. Do you remember for such

1379
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,399
a her dad who had her dad had this old

1380
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:56,359
cell phone.

1381
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 6: Right.

1382
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,560
Speaker 7: The reason for that is that her dad is actually

1383
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,720
cheating on his taxes and he's scamming old people out

1384
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,560
of money because he runs a retirement or not a

1385
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,760
retirement what do you call it? Like a assisted living

1386
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,239
and he's been scamming all these old people out of

1387
01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:16,319
their money. So he has to hide the money with

1388
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:18,960
all of these expensive things, right, So that's why he's

1389
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,119
so adamant about sending her overseas and paying for all

1390
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:24,720
this stuff is because he has to put money into stuff.

1391
01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:27,319
Speaker 6: That's why he bought the jukebox, That's why he's bought

1392
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:29,960
the phone.

1393
01:29:30,319 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 8: He thinks she is like the apex of the pyramid.

1394
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,439
I think he even actually says something like that.

1395
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,119
Speaker 6: He says, baby, there's a pyramid. You're up here at

1396
01:29:39,159 --> 01:29:42,119
the top. You're gonna be in a think tank. Everybody

1397
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:43,000
else is down here.

1398
01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 8: She got special scholarship.

1399
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:49,520
Speaker 6: But what's interesting is that he is this super hyper

1400
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,039
moral guy. He acts like he's the face of the community,

1401
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:54,840
but he's a total crook.

1402
01:29:56,119 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 7: And what's interesting about Lloyd is that Lloyd, you know,

1403
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,560
he he falls in love with the girl. He's really

1404
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,000
into her.

1405
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 6: And so this is a clash between Lloyd and the

1406
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,119
dad here for her attention and affection.

1407
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 3: Mm hm, And like.

1408
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:15,239
Speaker 8: Who is more virtuous, the guy with no money but

1409
01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:17,119
he doesn't lie, or the dad with all.

1410
01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:19,520
Speaker 6: The money who is being He's a total Crook.

1411
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:26,079
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a lot of talk about you have to

1412
01:30:26,119 --> 01:30:28,880
make major life choices when you're eighteen. All of these

1413
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,279
movies complain about.

1414
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,239
Speaker 6: It's always like, who knows what they want to be

1415
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:36,359
when they're eighteen? Well, do we have to make good decisions?

1416
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1417
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't remember the character Joe. Do you remember

1418
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,960
who that was? He her a boy that she wanted

1419
01:30:44,039 --> 01:30:44,840
to go or.

1420
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,319
Speaker 6: Is that I wrote his friend Jeremy Piven, his friend.

1421
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 8: No, maybe Joe's the dad.

1422
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 6: Maybe I don't remember who Joe is. But anyway, but yeah,

1423
01:30:59,039 --> 01:31:02,199
she has she she's supposedly super smart, right, they think

1424
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:03,840
she's going to be a brain. So she got brains

1425
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,640
in her room, which was really weird. But she's already

1426
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,319
into this is interesting. She's already into social justice stuff

1427
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:17,399
in the eighties. So she castigates Lloyd for agism, who

1428
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,039
in the eighties.

1429
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,079
Speaker 7: I'd never heard of this in the eighties, right, But

1430
01:31:21,239 --> 01:31:24,920
she actually bitches at him, and unfortunately Lloyd couks at that,

1431
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,439
because he should have called her out and been like,

1432
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,319
I'm not I don't care what you say, but when

1433
01:31:30,359 --> 01:31:35,880
you're eighteen, you can't really your drives control who you love.

1434
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:42,560
Quote unquote, so Lloyd can't resist his love for for her,

1435
01:31:44,119 --> 01:31:48,119
and this leads him to unfortunately make the decision to

1436
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,039
stake all of his future on her. So he's going

1437
01:31:51,119 --> 01:31:55,800
to go with her to England, England or Europe. Okay,

1438
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:57,560
which huge mistake.

1439
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 6: Lloyd never should have done this. And by the way,

1440
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,039
I have a fascinating theory. I don't remember.

1441
01:32:04,079 --> 01:32:06,119
Speaker 7: I don't want to if my friend came up with

1442
01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:07,680
this theory. I want to give him credit, but I

1443
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,560
can't remember if he came up with it or if

1444
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,079
we noticed it when we were watching it. But if

1445
01:32:12,119 --> 01:32:15,800
you watch Gross point Blank, it almost seems like a

1446
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:20,439
loose sequel to this because it's many years later that

1447
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,800
the John Cusack I'm saying a loose sequel, right, The

1448
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,800
John Cusack character comes back to his hometown after.

1449
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 6: He's been away for many many years. He ended up

1450
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:34,319
going into the military, and he's called the iceman and

1451
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:38,039
he's got his pen all right, And Jeremy Piven comes

1452
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:41,239
up in Gross point Blank as well. But which Gross

1453
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:42,399
plant Blake actually is a good movie?

1454
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:48,399
Speaker 7: Uh So, I suspect that we're supposed to think that

1455
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:54,079
loosely speaking, Iona Sky dumped Lloyd. This broke Lloyd's heart.

1456
01:32:54,199 --> 01:32:56,039
So Lloyd was like, you know what, I'm gonna become

1457
01:32:56,039 --> 01:32:59,399
a hit man. So he goes into because he literally

1458
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,439
becomes a hitman. If you remember at gross point blank,

1459
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:06,039
he's like, and guess what he even mentions at one

1460
01:33:06,079 --> 01:33:10,640
point in gross point blank assassins in relationship to the Rothschilds.

1461
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,800
That comes up in gross point blank. Yeah, so the

1462
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:19,319
iceman comes back. Some people think too that maybe that

1463
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:20,399
I think it was a.

1464
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 6: Flop, the one war.

1465
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,520
Speaker 7: There's like a third one where somebody thinks that maybe

1466
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,920
even Lloyd Dobbler is in a third film that Won

1467
01:33:28,039 --> 01:33:32,640
War with uh Liz who's Lizy maguire?

1468
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:38,159
Speaker 6: What's her name? There's a Hillary Duff movie with John Cusack. Anyway,

1469
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,039
by the way, in gross point blank, do you remember

1470
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:44,399
what dan ackroyd?

1471
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:49,119
Speaker 7: When dan Ackroyd another hitman comes to kill John Cusack,

1472
01:33:49,159 --> 01:33:50,199
do you remember what he cites?

1473
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:55,039
Speaker 6: No? What w B yates about the beast slouching its

1474
01:33:55,079 --> 01:33:57,239
way towards Beth Lant? Oh really isn't that crazy?

1475
01:33:57,399 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1476
01:33:58,359 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 8: Huh, well, I thought was weird in this movie? Is

1477
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:06,199
the relationship between the dad and the daughter is really Yeah?

1478
01:34:06,279 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 7: So the mom has died and the dad is not

1479
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,319
just the helicopter protected dad warr inc.

1480
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 6: That's it.

1481
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 7: By the way, Ron, could you give your impression. Do

1482
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:22,079
you feel like is there a loose reference to uh

1483
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:28,880
war Inc. Being the trilogy of the Lloyd Dobbler trilogy.

1484
01:34:29,239 --> 01:34:31,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, by the way, yeah, go watch watch Gross point

1485
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:33,399
blank after say anything and see if you don't notice

1486
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:33,840
some of these.

1487
01:34:34,119 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 7: Now, it could just be loose references to previous John

1488
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,760
Cusack characters. But he's called Iceman in the pen comes.

1489
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:44,239
Speaker 8: Up, he says, Benny the Jet Q sex kickboxing coach,

1490
01:34:44,319 --> 01:34:46,560
played the martial arts using hit man who tried to

1491
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:47,880
kill him and gross point blank.

1492
01:34:48,319 --> 01:34:51,079
Speaker 6: So there you go. Another reference. There's a lot of

1493
01:34:51,159 --> 01:34:55,920
different connections to gross point blank. Yeah, go ahead, Oh okay.

1494
01:34:56,039 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 8: So the dad is too super enmeshed with the daughter.

1495
01:35:00,399 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's creepy, even to the point.

1496
01:35:03,279 --> 01:35:06,079
Speaker 8: Where she tells him when she slept with John Cusack

1497
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:06,720
for the first time.

1498
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,359
Speaker 6: She like goes to Dad, I'll tell you everything, and

1499
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:13,640
I slept with him. He's like mm hmmm his cringe face.

1500
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:20,399
Speaker 8: Yeah. So yeah, it's like a struggle between her dad

1501
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:22,199
and her suitor and which one is she.

1502
01:35:22,359 --> 01:35:27,600
Speaker 7: Going to be loyal to dan Acrooyd cites Oza Mandius

1503
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,119
uh oh, like uh.

1504
01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:37,520
Speaker 6: Behold my works and despair. But he's mentions that, doesn't

1505
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,119
he He mentions the beast of revelation, doesn't he?

1506
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,399
Speaker 7: I mean when when dan Ackroyd's come into the house

1507
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,119
to kill John Cusack, he's like shooting in the house

1508
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:53,199
and he's just like spouting out like poetry and stuff.

1509
01:35:54,119 --> 01:35:57,119
Speaker 6: Anyway, go ahead, that's pretty much it's.

1510
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, So with the film ends with them and them

1511
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,039
on the plane, and I've always come away with this

1512
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:06,800
movie from this movie thinking this is doomed, like there's

1513
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,760
no way this relationship is gonna work, Like this is

1514
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:09,279
just doomed.

1515
01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:13,319
Speaker 8: No, because he has to find his career thing and

1516
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:14,560
not just follow him.

1517
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 7: You can't, yeh, follow some check across the world that's

1518
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:24,560
doomed to disaster. So all right, the final one, Ferris,

1519
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,279
obviously you have to put Ferris Bueller on there. Yeah,

1520
01:36:28,279 --> 01:36:30,680
there's a little more going on in Ferris than I

1521
01:36:31,039 --> 01:36:34,840
would have thought. I didn't there's some things seeing it

1522
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,640
once again that I didn't reminds.

1523
01:36:37,399 --> 01:36:40,159
Speaker 8: Me of risky business in the way that you're trying

1524
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:43,279
to game the system and shortcuts get you everywhere, there

1525
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:48,239
are no consequences. And this reminds me of adventures and

1526
01:36:48,279 --> 01:36:52,800
babysitting because it's another adventure in the city, from the

1527
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:53,520
suburbs to the.

1528
01:36:53,560 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 6: City, right slatching his way towards Bethlehem. That's the the

1529
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:02,359
WB eight's thing.

1530
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 8: But anyway, what now faris Bueler's like adventures in babysitting

1531
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:08,680
because they're going from the suburbs to the city.

1532
01:37:12,119 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 6: Yeah. But so here's the weird thing is that it's

1533
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,279
not the typical thing that we've seen before. Because Ferris

1534
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,880
is the most popular guy, he's not interested in his future.

1535
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:25,000
In fact, he has this dialogue at the beginning.

1536
01:37:25,039 --> 01:37:30,399
Speaker 7: He says people are interested in geopolitics, fascism, communism, Marxism, isms.

1537
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 6: He says, I don't care about isms. He says, I'm

1538
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,520
interested in me in the right now, not the future.

1539
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:38,479
And when am I going to get a car?

1540
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 7: So cars, which obviously come up all throughout eighties movies, Car, car,

1541
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:47,600
carc car, because yes, in one sense it's you're sixteen, seventeen,

1542
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,159
eighteen that you're getting your first car, So yes, obviously

1543
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:54,800
that but it's also related to America and consumerism because

1544
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,159
that's a particularly American thing of when you're sixteen you

1545
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:01,319
get your car. Know, that's in other countries as well,

1546
01:38:01,399 --> 01:38:03,760
but it's typically we think of him because cars come

1547
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,119
from America, right, And this.

1548
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 8: Is another parents are consumers yuppies, right, so.

1549
01:38:11,079 --> 01:38:14,359
Speaker 7: That the parents are the are the yuppies exactly, and

1550
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:18,640
they're upper middle class. And we're gonna have the journey

1551
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,840
into the city and Ferris is going to play even

1552
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,359
though he's not. He's playing the role of Bender. He's

1553
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:26,079
just like Bender.

1554
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, less aggressive than Bender.

1555
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,399
Speaker 6: Though, well he's like a successful Bender.

1556
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 8: Yeah. The rule in this movie is parents are suckers, right.

1557
01:38:40,279 --> 01:38:42,600
His parents are that he just got him wrapped around

1558
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,920
his finger and everything. He says, they just like pat

1559
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,479
him on the head and coddle him. He's the favorite.

1560
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,119
He's the whole world's favorite.

1561
01:38:51,279 --> 01:38:56,159
Speaker 6: Yeah. Actually every adult in the film is duped exactly.

1562
01:38:57,319 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 8: High school is brainwashing?

1563
01:38:58,720 --> 01:38:59,119
Speaker 3: Is that what you.

1564
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,239
Speaker 6: Yeah? Because he says that, Yeah, he says high school.

1565
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:06,039
Who cares abou? High school? High school is brainwashing.

1566
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:06,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1567
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:11,199
Speaker 8: So you got Ferris the Epicurean on one hand, and

1568
01:39:11,319 --> 01:39:19,640
then you've got Cameron the depressed Ali. Sheety like your character.

1569
01:39:20,279 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 6: He is like or exactly right.

1570
01:39:23,039 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, so there are two opposites, right, Ferris has it all.

1571
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,359
Everything works for him. He's like Parker Lewis, Like Parker

1572
01:39:30,399 --> 01:39:34,680
Lewis can't lose Cameron, the exact opposite, total depression, wants

1573
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,359
to die, thinks he's constantly he's like I said, he's

1574
01:39:37,399 --> 01:39:38,880
an e or chondraact.

1575
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 6: It's because of neglect. So what's interesting is that they

1576
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:45,239
couldn't be more contrasted.

1577
01:39:46,279 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 7: And what Ferris wants to do is be the catalyst

1578
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:56,039
to propel Cameron to exit his self imposed prison. But

1579
01:39:56,159 --> 01:39:59,359
he has to get Cameron to realize that the prison

1580
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:04,319
isn't Cameron's dad, it's Cameron. Cameron has Cameron in a prison,

1581
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,720
not the dad, and so it's actually just an excuse

1582
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:11,800
that Cameron has. And so he has to destroy the

1583
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:13,720
symbol of his father, the Porsche.

1584
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:20,079
Speaker 8: Right. So here's another movie where you are taught that

1585
01:40:20,119 --> 01:40:21,520
you need to scam your way to the top.

1586
01:40:22,399 --> 01:40:25,199
Speaker 7: Right, because this is this is big time about consumerism

1587
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:26,640
and about winning.

1588
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 6: This is about who the winners are. And by the way,

1589
01:40:30,199 --> 01:40:31,680
winning winning by winning.

1590
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:36,319
Speaker 7: Charlie She he's the boyfriend in the police station. Right

1591
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,920
for Aaron Gray or Jennifer Gray, excuse me. So, so

1592
01:40:40,039 --> 01:40:42,039
it's about consumerism, it's about.

1593
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 6: What does Pharis say? He says, my concern isn't is

1594
01:40:49,079 --> 01:40:52,960
it's me believe in yourself. That's the thing I believe in.

1595
01:40:53,319 --> 01:40:56,239
So you have this, do what that will? Right? You

1596
01:40:56,359 --> 01:41:01,079
have this the yuppie excess, Reagan era of success that

1597
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:02,279
brought all of this wealth.

1598
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:07,520
Speaker 7: The children of those yuppies are totally Crollian, right, I mean,

1599
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:13,239
Ferris is again, he's like the successful bender totally and

1600
01:41:13,279 --> 01:41:16,880
he even says game the system. He says, he laughs

1601
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:18,479
about people who don't game the system.

1602
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,159
Speaker 8: Another rule in the eighties, if you're home alone, you have.

1603
01:41:23,159 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 7: To dance in your underwear once again, all throughout, right, Yeah,

1604
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,000
I mean in the nineteen eighties, is entirely possible that

1605
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,640
every time somebody was in their house, that's all they

1606
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,119
did was dance in their underwear, right until like the

1607
01:41:35,159 --> 01:41:35,920
next day, well.

1608
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 6: Until somebody else, until somebody comes home, their parents come home.

1609
01:41:41,319 --> 01:41:43,479
Challenge to authority always.

1610
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 8: He already has a computer in his room.

1611
01:41:46,119 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, because they're upper middle class. He's got all

1612
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,239
the gadgets, and his parents buy him anything he wants.

1613
01:41:54,039 --> 01:41:56,479
They totally caught him. This is an interesting element is

1614
01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,680
that at no point does he have anything. I mean,

1615
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:07,319
no one even remotely rebukes or corrects, and.

1616
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,520
Speaker 6: Even the only person who tries his sister ultimately submits,

1617
01:42:12,119 --> 01:42:13,319
gives in and staves him.

1618
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:13,600
Speaker 3: At the end.

1619
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:19,399
Speaker 8: Right, he talked about how Cameron's dad loves his car

1620
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:20,239
more he's.

1621
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:27,039
Speaker 7: Absentee father, which again is a commentary on the successful

1622
01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:31,159
Reagan era boomer dad who is loves the poor.

1623
01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:32,239
Speaker 6: She doesn't care about camera.

1624
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 8: So this is one of the first movies I think.

1625
01:42:35,319 --> 01:42:37,520
Speaker 6: We don't even see We don't even see Cameron's dad.

1626
01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:40,039
Speaker 8: He's not even in the movie. He's just this figure.

1627
01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:46,920
Teens are better at technology, and he's continually used technology.

1628
01:42:46,399 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 6: To all the time. Everyone, the adults, every adult is

1629
01:42:50,119 --> 01:42:52,880
duped by the tech, which is kind of funny.

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Speaker 8: Answering machines he uses, he uses different lines.

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Speaker 6: He's got a whole.

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Speaker 7: Rube Goldberg machine hooked up in his room so that

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it wins. Mom opens the door, right, she hears him

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a tape of him snealing.

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Speaker 8: He hacks the school computer, that's right, and takes absent.

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01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:11,399
Speaker 6: Days off, which he does in war games as well.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he uses the the phone with different lines to

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get into the restaurant to dupe the adult at the

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major d Right, the.

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Speaker 6: Snooty waiter, Yeah, so ab froman the Sausage King of Chicago.

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Speaker 8: All the technology the teens are using to pull a

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fast one on authority.

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Speaker 6: So Feris Buehler's day off.

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Speaker 7: This is like the weekend, right, the idea of leisure,

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the idea of all of your life becoming leisure. I

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mean he represents like the ultimate American ideal.

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Speaker 8: And he was still going to get a car at

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the end because when his mom was like, I was

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01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,920
gonna use that money to buying a car, so he

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didn't even have to like earn his own car. His

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mom was going to buy it for him.

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Speaker 6: Well, and then the Beatles song, right, I mean he's

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in the middle of this parade. It's almost like this

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is this even is it satire? Almost? I mean, is

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it a satire of well, the upper middle class.

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Speaker 8: You made a point when you said Ferris Bueller's like

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John Lennon when he's singing that Beatles song, because John

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Lennon was super popular.

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Speaker 7: Right, there's a line that the principal says exactly, He's like,

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we have fifteen hundred students. Ferris Bueller is more popular

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than me. He says, I don't want fifteen hundred Fais Buellers.

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He's like, I've got to end Bueller. And of course,

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in the Norman narrative of John Lennon, right, the idea

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was that to the military industrial complex, John Lennon was

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too popular and he represented and again in the Norman narrative,

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you know whatever you think about you know, don't I

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don't believe. I think he was assassinated in the conspiratorial way.

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But in the Norman narrative he was too popular, so

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he had to be removed. So and that's what does

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Fairest sing. He has this dionysia and twist and show yeah.

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Speaker 6: Sings John Lynn.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, he has this core. He said, you can

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never go too.

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Speaker 6: Far right extremes, Yeah, yes, winners.

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Speaker 8: Winning, Yeah, Charlie, she talks about winning.

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Speaker 7: So the way I let's say, how did I phrase it?

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If we played by the rules, we would be in gym,

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he says to Cameron. So he's trying to tell Cameron.

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He says, you can never go too far. Look, Cameron,

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if you play by the rules, you'd be in Jim. Yeah,

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he's like, don't play by the rules to win.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we are winners. Americans aren't winners.

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Speaker 8: Remember, Cameron goes catatonic at one point. He's so traumatized

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that he can't speak.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 7: So this is this is Fairest manipulating and prodding the

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catalyst to transform Cameron. The whole movie is about Cameron's transformation,

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and he achieves it because he has to get Cameron

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to destroy the archetype of his father, which is the

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porschep right, And so Cameron's traumatized. But then he realizes

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when the when the Porsche goes off the cliff out

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of the back of the house, He's like, now I

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own it.

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Speaker 6: I'll take it.

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Speaker 8: Is it a ferrari?

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Speaker 6: Oh maybe it is, whatever it is. But but when

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it happens, he's like, all right, now I'm free. Yeah,

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So because he realized it was his own prison, you see.

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Speaker 8: And then the at the very end he's talking about

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life moves pretty fast. If you don't slow down, you're

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gonna miss it. So if you don't, if you play

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by the rules, life is going to overtake you.

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01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:49,239
Speaker 6: You'll never be a winner.

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01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna be stuck in a slave job under

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authority all the time.

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Speaker 6: Interesting facts. Anthony Michael Hall thinks that John Hughes wanted

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him to be Ferris.

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Speaker 7: He didn't get that role. Milio Sz was supposed to

1709
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be camera. He didn't want that role.

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Speaker 8: Let's see, could Ferris be a pan figure a trickster? Yeah, sure,

1711
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he is a trickster absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Matthew broder and Jennifer Gray were engaged before the movie.

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That's interesting. Ben Stein was supposed to do his lecture

1714
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:40,680
off camera. Robert Smith of The Cure wrote a song

1715
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that was never used. That's interesting. John Hughes annoyed Paul McCartney.

1716
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That's funny. Matthew Broderick couldn't do the choreography he was

1717
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:59,600
taught in the parade scene. That's interesting. So I guess

1718
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:07,399
he had to do kind of move around. The reason

1719
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,000
this is interesting, for the first twelve years of his life,

1720
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John Hughes lived in Gross Pointe, Michigan, and he loved

1721
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the local hockey team. And that's the reason that Cameron

1722
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:22,600
wears the jersey. Charlie Sheen stayed awake for more than

1723
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:25,119
two days to have the look that he has. In

1724
01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:29,560
that place, he did look pretty out. The Ferrari was

1725
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:30,960
not real. It was fake.

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Speaker 8: Someone wants to create impression life or.

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Speaker 6: The news today. It broke me. It broke me. Scott

1728
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step broke me. Okay, uh tim res super chats. Thank

1729
01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:57,680
you guys. This was a lot of fun. Yes, not

1730
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,840
every movie analysis is a conspiracy. Did you know that?

1731
01:49:01,039 --> 01:49:03,520
Not every movie is a conspiracy? People? So you think

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01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,239
every movies a freaking conspiracy? No, we don't, No, we

1733
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do not.

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Speaker 7: I've done multiple streams have nothing to do with conspiracies

1735
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:15,079
and movies. Did you hear any conspiracy tonight? All you've

1736
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:20,119
heard was risky business and not risky business. What adventures

1737
01:49:20,159 --> 01:49:22,560
in babysitting has to do with the descent in two eighties?

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01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:23,840
That's all you heard tonight.

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Speaker 6: Slav K Nope, we're not reading that one and I

1740
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:32,239
banned that guy is the two dollars Jay? Have you

1741
01:49:32,319 --> 01:49:33,920
heard of KRS one? Absolutely?

1742
01:49:35,359 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 7: I listened to eighties rap in the eighties because I

1743
01:49:39,039 --> 01:49:41,640
grew up in San Diego and so I was listening

1744
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:46,000
to rap before rap had hit the rest of the

1745
01:49:46,119 --> 01:49:48,359
coasts or the Middle America, you know what I mean.

1746
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:52,960
So of course I have heard KRS one. I listened

1747
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:55,680
to all the eighties rappers literally, because I would go

1748
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:58,079
home every day after school, I would watch your m

1749
01:49:58,119 --> 01:50:01,680
TV raps with Doctor Dre and I'd love but thank

1750
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,399
you for that two dollars. And I know that KRS

1751
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:06,840
one has some fairly woke.

1752
01:50:08,319 --> 01:50:11,600
Speaker 6: Lyrics. In fact, Patrick twenty first century Wire actually went

1753
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,399
to a KRS one concert and was trying to do

1754
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:18,840
an interview. But I don't recall if he ever did interview,

1755
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,359
but he at least tried to. Johnny J. Twenty bucks.

1756
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:25,399
Speaker 7: If you need a boost, please do the Southern judge impression.

1757
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:29,680
If you want to heal the Southern judge impression. Hill

1758
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:35,399
from Georgia. I believe he is asking for a contrast

1759
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:41,399
to the Southern accent of other eras, namely of the

1760
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:47,840
Tennessee Mountain piple. But he'll in Gelgia, everything is molasses

1761
01:50:48,399 --> 01:50:49,079
coming out.

1762
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:53,399
Speaker 6: Of the mouth. That's Georgia, sweet tea. Do you know

1763
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:57,520
the difference between Georgia and Tennessee? Right, Yes, you're constricted

1764
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:03,680
potentially Georgia. Very easy to do those two. So but

1765
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,399
thank you for that, Johnny J. Johnny J.

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Speaker 7: It's a good name. DC Customs, twenty bucks. Can you

1767
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:15,680
discuss the themes of the nerd versus the popular evil Wait,

1768
01:51:16,079 --> 01:51:19,039
popular versus evil kid, poor kid, rich kid, ugly kid

1769
01:51:19,159 --> 01:51:25,239
fighting the hands kid to get the pretty girl in

1770
01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:28,399
greater context of the American dream. Yes, a lot of

1771
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:30,199
these films are about the American dream.

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Speaker 6: I think we did cover that, especially with Ferris.

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Speaker 7: Although Ferris isn't having to fight because every he has

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everything like there's nothing goes wrong until the very end

1775
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,600
when he's almost caught by the principal and then his

1776
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:48,079
sister saves him. So even his perceived enemy, the sister

1777
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:50,520
the really I mean not the principal. You know, she

1778
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,439
saved them because she could have destroyed it.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 8: The jock slash popular is always most of the time

1781
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they're portrayed as a antagonist.

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Speaker 6: Think yes, except for Ferris.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so most of these they're written from the perspective of.

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Speaker 6: The often so now Tom Cruise is the protagonist and

1785
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:24,159
he is a jock. Well he's is he a businessman,

1786
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:30,319
he's the future Enterprising CEO. Kirby is a is a

1787
01:52:30,399 --> 01:52:32,720
typical jock. I can't bind me A lot of typical

1788
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:38,000
jock I mentioned in Babysitting typical jock say anything no,

1789
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:44,520
uh no jockson Ferris bueller. Yeah, that's interesting, but yeah,

1790
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:49,279
typically it is an archetype. But what is the what

1791
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:50,520
is the American dream?

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01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:51,039
Speaker 3: Uh?

1793
01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 6: In eighties movies.

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Speaker 8: To be prom king and queen.

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01:52:58,920 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 6: And then to be a winner.

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Speaker 8: Those people are the successful people. Like that's what they're saying.

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Speaker 6: Mm hmm. But that's not always, not always.

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Speaker 8: I know that's not real life, but that.

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Speaker 7: Well, like we didn't do sixteen Candles, we didn't do

1800
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Pretty and Paint, we didn't do some kind of Wonderful,

1801
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:24,319
and those all have divergent narratives that aren't always like

1802
01:53:24,399 --> 01:53:26,720
some kind of wonderful is not a typical thing because

1803
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,159
that ends up being the tom the tomboy gets, gets

1804
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:33,159
the guy, not the popular girl.

1805
01:53:33,399 --> 01:53:35,319
Speaker 8: Right, and then.

1806
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:39,279
Speaker 6: What happens in Pretty and Paint? I don't remember does

1807
01:53:39,319 --> 01:53:40,079
Molly Ringwald?

1808
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 8: She makes her own prom dress?

1809
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,920
Speaker 6: Okay, forgotten I have. I haven't watched that long now.

1810
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 7: Anyway, that's an interesting dialectic that we did our architect

1811
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:53,680
that we wanted to cover here. Evan Schultz twenty bucks.

1812
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:57,359
Thank you so much, Evan much appreciate it. We're not

1813
01:53:57,439 --> 01:53:59,640
going to read that one. No, we're not going to

1814
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:04,319
read that one. What's that John Chris's Blue North Bear

1815
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:07,720
ten dollars. I think a lot of these movies were subversive.

1816
01:54:08,039 --> 01:54:12,079
Jocks had to work hard to maintain their physique and

1817
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:15,520
be brave enough to ask girls out, whereas the nerds

1818
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,840
were wimpy gammas and not heroes.

1819
01:54:19,159 --> 01:54:25,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, it could could be. I mean Revenge of the Nerds.

1820
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:26,800
I did analysis of that. Go watch.

1821
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,680
Speaker 7: I think when I hit twenty five thousand or thirty thousand,

1822
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,640
I did a range of the Nerds stream and I

1823
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:35,359
did talk about the subversive elements and Revenge of the Nerds.

1824
01:54:36,079 --> 01:54:40,560
So that's definitely there sometimes, but I think most it

1825
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:46,279
also could be marketing because most people aren't jocks, most

1826
01:54:46,319 --> 01:54:50,000
people aren't popular. Most of the people are going to

1827
01:54:50,039 --> 01:54:52,399
be the normal people in high school who were just

1828
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:57,319
normal people who nobody recognized, right. I mean in my

1829
01:54:57,479 --> 01:55:00,399
high school, we have fifteen hundred people, and the popular

1830
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,800
top of the pyramid was pretty small. I mean there were, like,

1831
01:55:04,119 --> 01:55:06,279
you know, a handful of popular people in a few

1832
01:55:06,319 --> 01:55:09,359
different groups. Everybody else was a nobody.

1833
01:55:09,479 --> 01:55:10,199
Speaker 6: Now I'm not being mean.

1834
01:55:10,279 --> 01:55:12,479
Speaker 7: I'm saying that's the way it's viewed when you're in

1835
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:15,000
high school. Oh that's a nobody. Don't talk to him right,

1836
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:23,439
So is it subversive? It could be In many cases,

1837
01:55:23,479 --> 01:55:27,800
it could be DC customs five dollars. Can you do

1838
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:31,800
a video on legendary film? Legendary films of Van Dam

1839
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,399
all hail eighties action cheese. I've been wanting to do

1840
01:55:35,359 --> 01:55:38,880
some Van Dam because they're pretty goofy. In fact, the

1841
01:55:39,039 --> 01:55:41,359
I mean blood Sport is fascinating just for this whole

1842
01:55:41,399 --> 01:55:44,439
story of Frank Duke's because a lot of people say, oh, like,

1843
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:47,479
you know, the whole Frank Duke's story is all just

1844
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:49,359
made up, right, Like he was, like I was a

1845
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,479
famous CIA operative.

1846
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:53,680
Speaker 6: And if you didn't know that, go look up the video.

1847
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 7: There's some good videos on YouTube about Frank Dukes, who

1848
01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:00,239
is the basis for Jean Claude's character in Blood Work.

1849
01:56:02,479 --> 01:56:04,840
And then you know the question as to whether Frank

1850
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:07,680
Duke's like made up all this stuff right? Because the

1851
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:11,479
whole martial arts world is full of all these scam characters.

1852
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:14,039
It's pretty funny. There's some really good videos on YouTube

1853
01:56:14,039 --> 01:56:17,720
about how much scammery goes on in the martial arts world.

1854
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:26,279
Blue Eyeshadow is making a comeback. I sure hope, so Jamie,

1855
01:56:26,359 --> 01:56:28,600
you can sing too, thank you Viking fan. Five dollars,

1856
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:32,560
So you're getting compliments from Vikings. He's going to try

1857
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:36,800
to steal you and take you off in his fucking boat.

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What are they kind of? Maybe what a Vikings float around?

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And do they have a name for their Viking boats?

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Speaker 6: So I don't know what they called.

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Speaker 7: He's gonna take you to Valhalla. Sadie Rochelle ten bucks.

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What's up, Sadie? Longtime Jays Analysis follower and supporter. You

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guys are both amazing. Thank you for your work. Well,

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you're amazing. Thank you for your support. Longtime Jays Analysis

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supporter and listener. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Jack two dollars. This is a sin to play the

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stock market. I don't think that investing is a sin.

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It's no different than investing. I mean, I don't. I

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think there's nothing wrong with cryptocurrency. I bought crypto in

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the past. Just investing be no different than investing in

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local business. So in my opinion, it would not be alt.

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Monarch is five bucks. Despite being an atheist. Soviet teen

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movies were wholesome and family friendly. Interesting. I don't know

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that I've ever seen a Soviet teen movie. So there's

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Russian teen Soviet teen movies that would be interesting to see,

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but that actually there is some truth to that.

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Speaker 7: In fact, some of the Soviet stuff was less degenerate

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than Western stuff. A lot of people don't know this,

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but that's actually true.

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Speaker 6: Let's see DC.

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Speaker 7: Customs fight Out American Dream follow up. I meant that

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those themes were meant to reinforce the American dream underdog

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story and any underclass can win, exactly exactly. This is

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a key point that is often in eighties American dream films,

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which is the idea that in America, anyone can get

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to the top.

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Speaker 6: That's a selling point for America. Americanism and American ideology

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is that through pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, you

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can't get to the top. Now there's a degree to

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which this is true somewhat, but also it's a lot

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of lie.

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Speaker 8: That's in that book you're reading. You're going to do

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a show on called Millennium on the work chapter. Remember

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what does he say in there that working hard is

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a virtue and it's an American.

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Speaker 6: Well he's just tracing yeah, that's right, he's tracing the

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older American ideals out right.

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Speaker 8: So that'll make a good show will.

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Speaker 6: All right?

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Speaker 7: Anything else? Anybody else? That's the one I just did.

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I hope you guys enjoyed tonight's analyses. Do you have

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a favorite of this?

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Speaker 8: Awesome? Favorite of these? Okay, let me see WoT.

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Speaker 6: It we forgot to give?

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Speaker 11: Like?

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Speaker 6: How many boom boxes does say anything? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Four boxes out of five? I want to hear Peter

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gab again from.

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Speaker 6: Four out of five? No, not doing that. You should

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have laughed at my hottest man in the world joke,

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and then I would have done it. Uh So, how

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many what is patch? How many carrados does Can't buy

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Me Love get? How many ricos swaves does it get? Swave?

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Speaker 8: Give it eight?

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Speaker 6: Eight ricos out of ten? Okay? How many ben Stein's

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Money's does first Peeler get yol Are seven? How many

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any hold on? How many wayfarers does risky business god?

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Speaker 8: Six?

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Speaker 6: Six out of ten wayfars? How many what is the

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sandwich she makes? How many Captain crunched sugar sandwiches on

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white bread, white bread with pixie sticks?

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Speaker 8: I'll give that?

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Speaker 6: And then.

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Speaker 7: How many Playboy magazines does inventureing Babyson go so Adventures

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Baby saying is the highest rated one or say anything.

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Speaker 8: Mm hm.

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Speaker 6: The highest rate of one all this, that's that's unexpected.

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Speaker 7: Okay, okay, DC Customs two dollars, great show, well, thank

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you much appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Fun.

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Speaker 6: It was a lot of fun. Is there another one

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at the bottom there? I hate the way this works.

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You can't ever see them? Is the two dollars? You

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should watch KRS one's video on freemasonry. Okay, I will

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do that. I did not know you had a video

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on masonry, so I will do that. What did I

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ask you is that it is this a separate note

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about tropes? What are the tropes? Gotta get l a

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I D. Gotta take the parents' car out, Gotta have

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a house party.

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Speaker 8: Got a drag race in town?

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Speaker 6: There has to be a race, okay.

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Speaker 8: Pull off a caper before your parents come home.

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Speaker 6: And transformation.

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Speaker 8: If you're a nerd, you have to abandon your friends.

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Speaker 6: Excellent. All right, thank you guys. Everybody, have a good

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night and I'll see you soon.