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Speaker 5: The boys, we've learned so much.
Speaker 6: If you've been on the Jay's Analysis, right, A lot
of you guys are new. I understand, that's cool, Glad
to have you here. But some of you have been
with me for the long haul. In fact, there are
some who've been with Jay's Analysis for ten years, reading
it back in the day, and we've come a long way.
We've come a long way, all right. Welcome, thank you,
Glad to see you all here. We got a room
of almost two hundred nerds. I'm sure the nerds will
pile in then we can get up to about three hundred. Tonight.
We'll see it's your boy Jay in the house. You
boy can't see me. Welcome, Welcome. We have Eighties Jamie
with us tonight and we have normal Me. We're gonna
be covering our top five slash six eighties movies.
Speaker 7: They were decided upon by people from the eighties, namely
me and Jamie. So these are the official rule, the
official top six. And yes there are some that we
had to leave out, some that we had to add.
Speaker 8: Well, these are specifically eighties teen movies.
Speaker 7: So I had to be teen drama, coming of age,
and I would like to add two before we get
going here. Welcome everybody to the stream. I hope you
uh are doing well tonight. They're not in any specific order,
there's no there's no way really to order these, I
don't think.
Speaker 6: But we're gonna be reading some neat facts. We're gonna
have fun.
Speaker 7: You cannot be just serious throughout coronkavirus, the cooped by
iris is not a time for only being serious.
Speaker 6: So if you can't laugh in the apocalypse, what can
you do? When can you laugh? And so thank you eddies. Jamie.
You want to tell us what five slash six movies?
We chose them only if.
Speaker 8: You think my bangs are high enough.
Speaker 6: I think your bangs are.
Speaker 8: They're cruising out.
Speaker 6: They make me want to.
Speaker 8: I think I can go higher next time.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll get am measuring.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they don't make hair spray like they do. Apparently,
I don't know.
Speaker 6: But by the way, I'm actually Chris.
Speaker 8: Movie is Risky Business, Cruise.
Speaker 6: Okay, calm trus.
Speaker 8: Yeah, which I called Frisky Business?
Speaker 6: It is that? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, neteen eighty three.
Speaker 6: Just tell us all of them first. Okay, we're not
gonna start with it.
Speaker 8: Risky Business, Breakfast Club obvious one.
Speaker 6: Can't do this without breakfast Club, can't.
Speaker 8: Find me love hold on? So now yeah, okay, Adventures
in Baby City say anything, yep, Ferris Fueler's Day Off.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's not Fibersex six Okay, So I hope you
all did your homework and watched all six of those
between last night and today. There will be multiple choice questions.
Just kidding, huh. I will also read some of the
neat facts about.
Speaker 7: The movies as we go through. As we learned some
neat facts. I'm a child of the eighties, and when
you go back and watch these.
Speaker 6: One thing that you learn is that there's a lot
of cultural commentary that you don't catch as a kid.
Did you realize this?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I wish I could live in the eighties again.
It looked much more simple.
Speaker 7: There's nerds on the internet who live in like the
eighteen hundreds, like they live their whole life wearing eighteen
hundreds gear.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't go back that far. I like running water
and stuff.
Speaker 7: Well, you already spend most of your time. I'm at
the saloon, so you could go back there far easily.
Are you one of the ladies of the evening at
the saloon?
Speaker 8: They always have one every next time?
Speaker 6: Okay, so what's up first? Frisky business?
Speaker 8: Ye, risky business. I've never seen this before.
Speaker 6: She had never seen frisky business. It was to me,
I imagine that.
Speaker 8: I didn't think it was going to be so grown up.
I thought it's going to be more innocent, but it
was very it was risky.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I tried to explain ahead of time.
Speaker 7: This is a weird movie. It's not the movie that
you think it's going to be. You see this cover
and you think this is, you know, Ferris Bueler type
of movie.
Speaker 6: No, it's not. It's actually kind of dark a little bit.
Speaker 8: There's psychology going on.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of psychological Freudian all of this kind
of level stuff. Nothing super deep, but well, it starts
out with.
Speaker 8: Him analyzing his own dream, right. He dreams of a
house and a girl, in the shower and he has
boomer parents.
Speaker 7: By the way, I would just like to add today
before we get into this, So there was a little
drama on Instagram today. When I woke up this morning,
I had discovered that I was the hottest man alive ever,
and I confirmed this on the basis of emailing the
International Modeling Agency of the World.
Speaker 6: And they sent back an email and they said that
this is confirmed.
Speaker 7: And so when I did a whole post on this,
most people agreed and reconfirmed my suspicions correct. But a
couple of people were angry and said that they would unsubscribe.
And so I'm sorry, but if you're at the top
of the totem pole, it's lonely up here, and so
some people are going to unsubscribe. And I heartily have
to say that if you don't affirm that I am
the hottest man ever to exist in history, then it
probably is right for you to unsubscribe. So to the
women on Instagram who unsubscribed today, two or three of
them who not believe in fact, they even went to snokes.
One girl went to Snopes and she could not either
confirm nor deny whether I'm the hottest man of all time.
Speaker 6: But I am right. You don't seem very convinced. But anyway,
the Internet says, I am so you all lose goodbye.
So I told that woman to leave. She can leave.
Now we can go back.
Speaker 8: Okay, no, says people are ruled by their passions. You
remember that?
Speaker 6: Oh because yeah, So com Truse figures out that the
way to get ahead A lot of these movies are
going to have the theme of getting ahead, and he
figures out, you know, all kinds of things like liquor.
Speaker 7: Right, So he decides that the way to get ahead
is to actually capitalize. Nothing more capitalists than capitalizing on
the passions.
Speaker 8: Well, he's worried about getting into a good school. Remember
he's his number one concern. His dad is pushing him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he wants to get in Princeton, get to.
Speaker 8: A good college. And his buddies are telling him to
say WTF about life? Remember no what they say he said,
say what?
Speaker 6: Oh okay, you just.
Speaker 8: Say that and what things happen to you? They're trying
to get him.
Speaker 7: To not be so well, he's and he's part of
this club that's the future enterprisers. This is the Goofy
High school club about creating a product to sell, and
he realizes like, well, if I'm gonna cater to what
people want, people want the most basic things food.
Speaker 6: Sex, Right, so he figures he needs to capitalize on that.
Speaker 8: This is the movie with that famous scene of him
dancing in.
Speaker 6: His under oh, the underwear dance scene, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that you see in lots of other movies.
Speaker 7: And then every Yeah, a lot of other eighties movies
copy this, this sequence of anybody who's home alone, especially
your teenager, you dance, You dance in your underwear.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's all you do when you're home alone.
Speaker 8: But it was really weird. It felt like it was
for men not women.
Speaker 6: It did seem a little uh.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, let's see capitalism, free market, Future Enterprisers club.
Yeah yeah. And so the kids realize that they can
since his parents are away. That's another eighties trope, Right,
your parents leave town, you're gonna have to like have
a house or do something crazy with the house.
Speaker 6: They throw a different kind of party in this one.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, first they figure out that they can use
the house for sex, like for a private place. The
kids can have a fun time. Yeah, fun times.
Speaker 7: Let's see, Yes, my Nick Cage impersonations propelled me to
the top of the tone pool.
Speaker 6: Thank you one.
Speaker 8: Oh, and he orders a girl, but he gets he.
Speaker 6: Gets the wrong order.
Speaker 7: Can he doesn't get what he thought he was getting,
and the wrong thing shows up and she gives him
the number of a different person.
Speaker 8: He lives like in this upper middle class upper middle
class yeah always they live in.
Speaker 6: A very affluent area suburbs.
Speaker 8: And the guy that came to his door, that was
answering his call, he's like, on what every white boy
off the lake wants?
Speaker 6: No, no, he says that what every white boy off
the Lake wants is the Rebecca the other girl. Okay, okay,
you wrote down Epstein.
Speaker 8: I don't know why Epstein. I don't know what that means.
We'll get to it.
Speaker 6: Okay, you called him Tom Coomer.
Speaker 8: Tom Coomer.
Speaker 6: He kind of is in this a little bit, except
he's not even really that into it. He does like
the girl.
Speaker 8: Those ads were funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when he was looking through the craigslist of the eighties.
Of the eighties.
Speaker 8: So there's this whole thing going on in the movie
about what is dream and what is reality because his
fantasy comes true exactly like a fantasy.
Speaker 7: Well, but he's realizing that he can capitalize on fantasy.
If he can provide people their fantasy, what better way.
Speaker 6: To stack cash.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then she ends up stealing his mom's crystal things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some kind of stupid egg that's supposed to
be worth something. That and then she gets Yeah, they
have this.
Speaker 8: Rom com thing going on where they're running from.
Speaker 7: Her, her widow handler, and then he tracks com truths,
tracks him down and settles the score and steals her.
Speaker 6: He white nights her. Well, you don't white night this
kind of girl.
Speaker 8: There's a weird thing the Amish keep popping up in
this movie, like a contrast.
Speaker 7: Was a set up in like Pennsylvania as Princeton, Right,
So isn't a set that makes sense? Yeah, well that
is an interesting contrast between, Yeah, between the society that
Tom is in and getting to the top Princeton and
then contrasted with these homish people walking by.
Speaker 6: Bad girls get high and get ice cream.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they smoke weed.
Speaker 6: It's a good note. Yeah, So they tempt with the
ice cream.
Speaker 8: And that he has to save her, so he takes
her back, and she convinces him to turn his parents'
house into her club for the weekend to make money, and.
Speaker 6: Then he plays with his train set. That's really weird.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like he's like trying to have this god's
eye perspective and he's playing with his train set figuring
out how he can manipulate the system.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 8: But I thought it was interesting when a college man
came to interview him. It was during the wild Ruckus
of the movie, and then the college interviewer guy ended
up staying with one of the girls at the house.
Speaker 7: Right, calm Trus figures out that all he has to
do to get into college, rather than go through all
this rigmarole and worry about the GPA and all that,
is to get the entrance guy set up with his fantasy.
Speaker 3: You see.
Speaker 7: So he's figuring out that the real way to climb
the ladder is through being a winner, right, bending the rules.
Speaker 6: This is a theme that we're.
Speaker 7: Gonna, we're gonna constantly see in these eighties movies, is
that American society getting to the top is about bending
the rules.
Speaker 6: If you play the normy game, you're a loser.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that comes up in more of these That's what
I'm saying exactly.
Speaker 6: The bum is watching this is the hilarious scene. I've
stuck this on my instagram That was.
Speaker 8: So gross when they were like, that's so nasty, but.
Speaker 7: They're kind of into it, like they keep going. They're
making out because his fantasy is to make out on
a subway. Gross on the train. She's a lady of
the evening and her fantasy is to make out the subway. Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 6: Then the bomb watches and then they just sort of
keep going. That scene is really funny, So I put
that on my my instagrams. You want to see that
funny scene. Uh, what does he still cry?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 8: So and always in the eighties movies, you are putting
the house back the way it's supposed to be, like
two minutes before your parents walk in, and they had
an epic version of it of this where there's no
way you could have gotten all that stuff back in
in the time allotted.
Speaker 7: Well, really, what happens is that she upgrades from a
sleezy pimp to a new pimp. Yeah, because she just
goes with a higher quality guy who has all the
same kind of you know, scammy morals as her pimp do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Oh, but you forgot to mention that the customers were
the high school kids. So that's kind of sleezy.
Speaker 6: Oh that's probably why you put Epstein Jeff Justin because yeah,
when if you think about it, right, these aren't people
who are of the correct.
Speaker 8: Age, right, it's not appropriate.
Speaker 6: Yes, let's see, but you so what do you give it?
What's what's the appropriate how many?
Speaker 8: I'm gonna give it a six?
Speaker 6: Let's see what some of the facts are the mids.
Oh yeah, I was reading these facts the other night.
It was cracking me up. So that the movie is
actually supposed to be called White Boys Off the Lake,
White Boys Off the Lake.
Speaker 7: I know what a White Boy Off the Lake wants.
Let me give you my number. Yes, they didn't want
Tom Cruise. I remember reading this other night, and I
forget who it was they originally wanted. They did want
Rebecca to Morning, but it was somebody else, like I
don't remember who. It wasn't Mel Gibson, but it was like,
I don't know Kurt Russell or somebody. No, he's too young. No,
it could have been Kurt Russell in nineteen eighty three.
He could have he could have pulled it off. Maybe, Uh,
the underwear scene in case we're all wondering. That's what
everybody remembers. That's all improvised.
Speaker 6: So uh, that's white. He tied. He's off to Tom
Cruise for that was all improved, especially like when he's
laying face down and he's jiggling into the couch.
Speaker 8: When he does the bicycle legs in the air and
you see everything. It's not for girls.
Speaker 7: So there's many parodies of this scene. They wrecked multiple porsches,
remember the Porsche. It's the same thing, and yes or other,
So I see, yeah, I think you said porch Porsche.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now, confirming my analysis.
Speaker 7: My initial thoughts, Tom Cruise says, yes, the film is
about capitalism.
Speaker 6: So I am correct as always Butt Fox and Gordon
Gecko Bud Fox, but maybe Butt Fox to The film was.
Speaker 7: The first for Balkis. This is Balkie's first movie. Tom
Cruise and Rebecca de Mornay dated during this film. It
has two endings as well.
Speaker 6: All right, that's enough of the facts, So I'm gonna
give it. I'm gonna give it four out of five
hose what do you think?
Speaker 3: Give it?
Speaker 8: Six tidy whities?
Speaker 6: Six tidy whities out of how many?
Speaker 9: Ten?
Speaker 7: Ten?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 7: I think it's a good critique of capitalism in the
sense of it's the logic of capitalism. And every character
in the film does what the logic of Bear capitalism dictates,
like the entrance exam guy, the parents when they get back,
they just care about that egg. Tom Cruise does what
the logic of capitalism, Yeah, suggests Recca.
Speaker 6: De Morne Deburney does. She upgrades her man. She gets
an upgrade, and her mane.
Speaker 8: Parents in Bear's Feelers, Cameron's parents who just care about material.
Speaker 6: Think right, who we never even see.
Speaker 8: So this is a big theme in the eighties movies.
The teenagers of the eighties. Their parents were yuppies, yes,
and they are feelings like their parents love material things
more than them.
Speaker 6: So the excess of the success of the Reagan a
yuppie period, which is the essence of capitalism in fact.
In Ferris Bueller, do you remember ben Stein Bueller? What
does he say? Anybody rememberdo economics? Anybody remember voodoo economics?
This is Reagan stuff.
Speaker 7: It's hearkening too and critiquing the Reagan economic theory, trickle
down stuff, trickle town economics.
Speaker 6: Yepp, it is trickle town. In Risky Business, isn't it
Breakfast Club Breakfast.
Speaker 8: Club nineteen eighty five. Everyone loves this, everyone's seen it
like lo times. Who's I bet you to ask ten
people what their favorite movie is. One person will say Breakfast.
Speaker 7: Club probably yeah, And girls always say that's stupid. Ess
what Patrick swayzey, what's what's a pretty dancing? Girls always
sad dirty dancing?
Speaker 3: I don't like that movie?
Speaker 8: Like he sucks, It does suck and then the song
sounds too.
Speaker 6: But all will give Ptrick Swayzee credit effort the way
he can make his like he can. He can flare
nostrils like nobody's business.
Speaker 1: I can do that.
Speaker 6: Tell us about Breakfast Club nineteen eighty five? What's that?
There's a Bowie quote?
Speaker 8: Yeah, look up that the very beginning there's a quote
by David Bowie about children.
Speaker 6: Okay, keep going on looking.
Speaker 3: Up and.
Speaker 8: It seems like what they are portraying high school to
be like in Breakfast Club is very dismal, very prison like, very.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 8: Students are carving help me into the desks, and the
guidance counselor has these books on his desk. Remember yes,
RHO and psych stuff.
Speaker 6: Right, So the symbolism at the in the opening sequence.
I never caught this.
Speaker 7: I've seen Breakfast Club million times, million times, but rewatching
it looking for the symbolism. And by the way, John
Hughes actually does have quite a bit of symbolism, and
a lot of the films, For example, if you watch
uncle Buck, you'll find multiple references to Marxism and communism,
which is curious. We'll cover uncle Buck some other time,
we'll do maybe a John Hughes fest.
Speaker 6: But here.
Speaker 7: You'll notice that it shows the guidance counselor's desk, and
it looks like each one of the kids that has
been brought to detention, there's something on the desk that
kind of relates to each one of them. So somebody
has scrawled in their diary help, there's rorshack tests, all
this kind of stuff which I never noticed. And and
so what we're going to see is that they're like
different archetypes. They're traits that are identifying who they are
as people. And so the film is going to present
the notion of well, humans actually aren't reducible to particular traits,
which I've never noticed before. But the Bowie quote is,
and these children that you spit on as they try
to change their worlds are immune to your consultations. They're
quite aware of what they're going through. And so this
is where we're going to encounter the butthole principal character
or he's either a principal or a teacher who's roped
into having to be the you know, watchdog for this
group group of miscreants. I'm not sure, but regardless either way,
he represents failed authority. He represents a out of touch,
overly simplistic, what do you think.
Speaker 6: What else?
Speaker 7: Aggressive boomer yeah, I mean he's essentially boomer yeah.
Speaker 8: And he makes a comment that we were brainwashed to
see each other as well a brain, athlete, a basket case,
a princess, and a criminal.
Speaker 6: Right, So the.
Speaker 7: Anthony Michael Hall character who's the nerd, is tasked with
writing the essay to describe who they are at the
end of the movie, and at the beginning of the film,
it's him reading out his.
Speaker 6: Essay to the principle, which is interesting. So there's a.
Speaker 8: Brain, a jock, a basket case, a princess, and a criminal.
And so they're saying that adults see us as these
they pigeonhole us into these different things, and they treat
us how they think that we are, and we're actually
more multifaceted than the adults see us as. But when
they parents are dropping off the kids at the beginning
of the movie, you see that the kids are just
a minime of their parent right.
Speaker 7: They're a product of their environment, and they're all struggling
with being products of their environment. And so we're going
to see the confluence of these different archetypes in this
very bizarre gathering.
Speaker 6: So you have the different clicks, and remember high school.
Remember high school? No, I know you don't because you
were born in attest two a year ago, totally grown.
But most of us went to high school and we
had to learn the clicks. You learned the hierarchies, you
learned the strata, the winners, the losers. We're going to
see in a lot of these winners versus losers.
Speaker 8: I'm an elementary school dropout, so I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: That's actually pretty cool, that's actually pretty based. You're like
Faris Bueller, he's skipping school. He doesn't care.
Speaker 8: I had the most absences of my elementary school. You
and Faris.
Speaker 6: You and Faris didn't somebody else have a bunch more
than nine who else was tardy in the movies? Somebody
was tardy?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 6: Or was it just Ferris? Was it Lloyd Doabbler? Was
he tardy?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 6: Okay, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 8: Let's see what else. The Ice School has weird modern art.
It's a huge one.
Speaker 6: It looks like a big Yes, it's a giant school. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So Anthony Milcohol seems to speculate that we are all
trained to see each other in these reductive categories. So
this is actually about reductionism and reducing people to traits.
I'm not sure what the modern artment other than just
to place it in a time period, or to point
out that the art is unformed, just like these teams
are unformed. They're not formed yet. They haven't become who
they're going They're in the process of becoming who they're
going to be, just like the art, which is ugly
awful modern art. But maybe that's why the art is
because it figures prominently in multiple scenes, like they constantly
reference this stupid giant blob.
Speaker 8: What I was shocked by was how much he sexually
harasses her. The Judd Nelson character bender, Yeah, may Ringwold,
He's she's the prissy princess and he's trying to get
her to what come out of her shell.
Speaker 6: But Bender is a dark hero, almost satan archetype, whose
job it is to basically cause and reek havoc, to
bring these people out of their shells. I mean I
never really caught.
Speaker 7: I mean I kind of had the idea the last
time I watched it, maybe five years ago. It's like, oh,
he's like a revolutionary figure. But now I see that
he's actually kind of the genius, dark genius in a
way that he because he instigates everybody's trigger, Like he
finds everybody's trigger point and pushes it. He pushes it
with the Nerd, he pushes it with Emilio Estevez, the
jock Kirby.
Speaker 6: He pushes it with Molly Ringwald. And he even pushes
the pressure point of the principle.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, to.
Speaker 7: The point that it forces the principal to get introspective,
to lose his shit, and then the janitor has to
call out the principle. You remember that, and he even
he even insults the janitor, Yeah, you remember that. So
the Bender character is just completely anarchic.
Speaker 6: He's outside of any classification or rule or category except
that he's called the criminal.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well he's the outlier.
Speaker 6: He is the outlier, and he he forces everyone actually
to move out of the box that they're stuck in.
Speaker 8: One of the issues they have is the class warfare.
Speaker 6: That's true. Yeah, I forgot about that because.
Speaker 8: Claire and Emilio Estevet or Ringwoll in this different category
because they're affluent families and jocks and Shirley.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they pull up in a BMW at the beginning, Well,
Mally Ringwold pulls up in a BMW.
Speaker 8: But Emilio is cool because he's a winner.
Speaker 6: He's a and he talks about that. He's like, I'm
a winner. You're a loser, he says to Vendor.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, then we got the high school clubs and clicks.
So he makes the scene of asking the nerdy guy,
what do you do? And he's like, well, I'm in
the chess club, in this club and that click and
that thing.
Speaker 6: So which guy says this the nerd guy? Anthony Michael Hall.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was like listing up all of his extra
So even Anthony Michael Hall is in the mindset of
defining himself by the groups that he's in.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. You see, Yeah, you said that it was
true your high school.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's everybody's high school.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: I mean unless you went to some fake and gay,
you age high school where nobody had clicks or there
was no hierarchy. But I can't imagine there ever was
a high school that actually had no hierarchy or had
no clicks. I mean there's always like there's the metal
head dudes, there's like stoner dudes.
Speaker 7: Sometimes there's a crossover between metal heads and stoners. There's
the popular jock kids. There's maybe popular party guys who
are rich or something like that that aren't necessarily jocks,
but they're popular dudes. Then there's like artsy cool people,
art hoes, this kind of stuff, and then there's the
rest of the pyramids.
Speaker 8: I noticed something about high school when you were showing
me your yearbook and we were talking about who was
somebody and who was nobody. And this is a trope
in the movies too, like don't talk to them, they're
a nobody, and that makes you and nobody too.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: Now, again, I'm not saying this is right. I'm saying
that in that in the mindset of high school and
in the mindset of.
Speaker 6: The world, now right, people look at people and they're like, oh,
they're nobody's well what does that mean?
Speaker 7: Well, to be a somebody is to be wealthy, to
be famous, to be well, you know, whatever, accomplished in something.
Speaker 6: To have you know, super high Q or whatever.
Speaker 7: That's just the ways of the world obviously on one level.
So there's always a notion of of class warfare and
in group outgroup. What's the word I'm looking for, clicks.
I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 6: Tribalism, the cliques, but I.
Speaker 7: Mean humans do this sort of naturally to a degree
that there's nothing inherently wrong with having your your clique, right,
it's impossible to have no clique. But a lot of
movies are highlighting this point, and a lot of people
who have this kind of socialist mindset, they actually do
think that you can bypass all distinctions and have and achieve.
Speaker 6: Some kind of you know, big blob or something like that.
Speaker 8: Are there any papers or anything from think tanks that
lay out high school dynamics.
Speaker 6: I'm sure, Oh, I have no doubt. Absolutely. I mean,
all of high school and public education is set up
under the old Prussian model of indoctrination. So their good
book on this is the Messianic Character of American Education
by Rush. Actually, I wrote a whole.
Speaker 7: Essay at Jasonalysis, so you want to see my summation
of that book. It's a really good book, though, because
it talks about how the whole system is set up
in this kind of behaviorist Pavlovian conditioning. That's what you
see in Breakfast Club is break the attempt to break
out of behaviorist conditioning into being socialized or collectivized, into
defining yourself solely by group. Now I'm not saying again
that there's no such thing as groups. I'm saying that
there's no absolute definition of an individual on the basis
of a collective alone or on the basis of a
pure atomistic individualism alone.
Speaker 6: Neither of those are sufficient enough to define the individual.
In fact, the individual is part of both. It's a
one in many relationship. This is key.
Speaker 8: So the loadies get high.
Speaker 6: The loadies. This is a term I never heard in
the eighties, but maybe I wasn't a high school in
the eighties, so I don't know. But loadies, the loaders
are over there. This is people that get stone, the loadies.
The whole jason Alysis audience are loadies the.
Speaker 8: Jed Nelson character. I don't know if he's quoting Bart
Simpson or Bart Simpson gets up from him.
Speaker 7: What do you think, Uh, the Simpsons did not exist yet,
So Bart Simpson probably got this from because Bart's kind
of a Bender type of character.
Speaker 6: He's a chaos character.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So Bender says, eat my shorts.
Speaker 7: You just butt yourself the detention bud, how about another
week bud on another bud?
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, and then he does this the horns, well,
he says, it's the hook. The hook on horns, he says, because.
Speaker 8: He says, if you mess with the ball, you you
get the horns.
Speaker 6: Buddy.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 7: But it also could signify that there's this sort of
inversion principle at work between both the principal and Bender.
They're both these kind of like they're struggling for the
sort of alpha position in this group.
Speaker 6: It's not actually Kirby or Emilia that's the alpha.
Speaker 7: Who's Muliere Tartuf, the author who wrote Muliere wrote the
book Tartuf and Tartuf is about a con man who
gets exposed, and so Bender sees himself as the one
who exposes the con of everyone. So there's a very
fascinating reference to Tartuf, which is intentional. There's no doubt
in my mind that if you had this when you
had your lit classes in college, you know that that's
what Tartuff is about. And that has to be why
Bender references it.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 7: He does it ironic, a little a little bit accidentally,
like he's like ripping the pages out of it, and
somebody's like, that's Muliere Tartuf and he's like, yeah, I
don't care. But he's ironically doing the very thing that's
in the book. He's exposing the.
Speaker 8: Cons Oh, no one gets along with their parents in
the eighties. This is a common thing. My parents don't
get me.
Speaker 6: Generational strife. Yes, now, I guess this was cool. This
was true supposedly since the sixties counterculture revolution.
Speaker 7: Right, that's the first time that we get this notion
interjected in the culture that my parents just don't get me.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: That was the point of the rebel without a Cause. Yeah,
every different group and rebel without a cause is similar
to Breakfast Club, because every.
Speaker 7: Group, the rich, the rebels, the remember the rich kid,
his parents are gone, he's abandoned.
Speaker 6: Basically, the James Dean. His dad is a coward. The girl,
her dad is just a total jerk.
Speaker 7: Remember, So there's this this disconnect that signified in that film,
and that actually leads to a well, something like a
mass event, like a Columbine style of event at the
end of the film. If you haven't seen, it's kind of.
Speaker 6: It's kind of curious given that it's sort of like,
I'm not saying it's prophetic of columb but I'm just
saying it's it's that it's predicting that the breakup of
the social.
Speaker 7: Dynamics of father and son, of mother, child parent that
would lead to this kind of chaos and society.
Speaker 6: Anyway, there's similar themes in Breakfast Club, is what I'm
trying to say.
Speaker 8: Uh, here's a cutdown I've never heard before. I thought
it was pretty fun.
Speaker 6: Yes, was that Kirby.
Speaker 8: Neo Maxie zoom Dweeby?
Speaker 6: Was that Moi ring Wilder? Was the Emilia Forgot Neo
Maxie zoomed Dweeby?
Speaker 8: Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 6: It is a good cutdown. I have no idea what
it means, but it is a good cutdown.
Speaker 8: They have some maze posters for your psyche.
Speaker 6: Oh that's right on the library door.
Speaker 1: Is that no?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's on the door. There's like a
giant in maze and in medieval philosophy, uh and symbolism
the maze. In fact, some cathedrals have the maze on
the floor of the cathedral because it's supposed to represent
the maze the psyche as well as the maze of
this life going to the next life.
Speaker 6: And so I think that shows us that this is
about uh transformation. This is another theme we're going to see,
especially in Can't Buy Me Love, is psychological transformation and
bender is the catalyst.
Speaker 8: Then you got the janitor spying on all the kids
hissed eyes in the ears of the whole high school.
Speaker 6: Remember that that was interesting. I forgot about that.
Speaker 8: So this adult is in all this kids business, he
knows what's going on.
Speaker 7: Well, this is a It's a microcosm of society, is
the point of this. A lot of the high school
movies are microcosms of society. If you watch Faculty, that's
what the faculty is about.
Speaker 8: Do you remember that scene when they were all whistling
a tune?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, not to be confused with which is kill Bill.
Now this is from.
Speaker 7: Bridge over the River Kuhi classic movie with the Obi
Wan Kenobi about prisoners of war, and when they're marching
because they're prisoners, they whistle that famous tune. It's referenced
a million times over in a million different pop culture things.
It's referenced here because they're referencing their imprisonment, right, But
it's not just an imprisonment in this detention. They're imprisoned
in the masks and the confines that have been given
to them to define them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then we find out that the Bender character
has got some domestic abuse and he's got some trauma
rage going.
Speaker 6: Yes, he's traumatized, right, So his dad beats him.
Speaker 7: And he doesn't have any fear at all until the
principle gets him alone, and he's almost right to fight
the principal, right, But the principle, it's almost like the
principal knows too. He's not as unassuming or stupid as
he lets on. He knows that Bender has a weakness
and so he triggers him with that.
Speaker 8: That's why the principle is so aggressive.
Speaker 7: That he reminds him of his dad, and he reminds
him of his abuse of dad, and I think the
principal knows this, and this is the way to push
Bender's button and to get him to calm down, and
he goes into like crying kid mode.
Speaker 8: And that's why Bender wants all the kids to rebel
against authority, because authority is corrupt.
Speaker 7: Yes, because the father archetype for him is the enemy.
The father archetype is the one that has imprisoned each
of these people in their traits and in their psychological boxes.
It is Bender is a Luciferian revolutionary character, a dark hero.
Speaker 8: And then he finds out that the other kid's home
life is just as unsatisfying. All these kids their parents
don't listen to them, even if they have all the
material wealth. Their parents are absentee like Molly Ringwold.
Speaker 7: Yeah, or in the case of Anthony Michael Hall, that
they are pressuring him so much about getting a bad
grade that he's considering suicide.
Speaker 8: Oh right, he brought a gun to school because he
got f and something.
Speaker 7: Yet again another intimation of why are we seeing kids
acting out like what we see, you know, starting in
the nineties or so, this is eighties. Now we have
two at least, so we have Anthony Michael Hall and
what is the theme of Heathers? Right, the theme of
Heathers is a very similar to Columbine type of thing.
Speaker 8: I like when they smoke weed, it makes some introspective
about all of their issues, kind of levels the playing.
Speaker 6: Field to make I think Bender knows that this is
the way to get them to not only bond, but
actually to get introspective and to open up. It's almost
like a form of confession that they go through remember yeah, yeah,
and they start crying.
Speaker 8: And then they Amelia's confession was he was there because
he tapes on kids buns together, so.
Speaker 10: He was a bully, but he didn't how do you
take buns together, by the way, because if you just
put if you lay the tape over the crack, like
you can just pop it off.
Speaker 6: But if you go all the way around, he just long.
Speaker 8: Ways like a couple of strips. I don't know right later.
Speaker 6: Taking buns together.
Speaker 8: But he is a bully because his dad's a bully
and his dad expects.
Speaker 6: Him to do this, right, So this is about like
father figures as archetypes.
Speaker 8: So there's this power dynamics, the strength and weakness. So
Amelia picks on the weak kids because he think doesn't
want his dad to same as week. But then he
is super repentive because he feels bad that the kid
he picked on dad will see them is weak, right, right,
so that was his revelation. They were all lacking aspects
that the other archetypes had.
Speaker 6: Interesting This is a good point, right, So.
Speaker 7: You can't just define yourself as an individual, but you
also can't define yourself purely as part of a single collective.
Speaker 6: In fact, there are aspects of each of the different
archetypes that you could use to integrate to you know,
to use union speak, right, yeah, Oh you.
Speaker 8: Know what another trope of all these.
Speaker 6: Moves like Anthony michaelholl lacked what courage?
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, it's a very Wizard of oz To story. Yeah,
Amelio lack compassion. Losing your virginity is a big theme
in eighties TS movies. You can almost say almost all
of them have it in some way.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: Well, that's why Bender is the perfect contrast to Molly Ringwald,
because Molly Ringwald is.
Speaker 8: A virgin but she doesn't even want to admit it.
Speaker 6: But she doesn't want to admit it, and Bender keeps
pressing her on it because he's trying to get her
to see that the things that she takes pride in
are really just they're not really her. She's not identical
to the things that she takes pride in.
Speaker 7: Or that she defines herself by. This the whole movie
is just about what do you define yourself by? And
by the way, that whole scene was improvised, which is interesting.
Supposedly the group confession scene.
Speaker 8: Is really.
Speaker 6: Go ahead. That's all we have on the notes for okay,
so some of the facts. It was supposed to be
a series, they're going to be more.
Speaker 7: They wanted to do a franchise. There was a dream
sequence where the Ali Sheety character sees them as different archetypes.
So she would have seen Andrew as a viking, Bender
as a prisoner, Clara as a bride, Brian.
Speaker 6: As an astronaut, and she was a vampire.
Speaker 8: She was like an early golf Someone said, what about
Bassy case? So her was her parents ignored her? So
she acts out and acts weird because she's neglected. Yeah,
no one sees her.
Speaker 6: She's also not been like she She doesn't know how
to feed herself, remember what she eats. She doesn't know
how to have proper new church. She's been neglected. It
says that there was supposed to be two teachers having
a discussion. It was just a cut scene. Rick Moranis
was supposed to be in it didn't make it.
Speaker 7: Emilia was actually supposed to be Bender, and Molly Ringwall
was supposed to play Allie Sheety. Many many A listers
auditioned and didn't get it. Juddie Foster, Laura Dern, John
Cusack and Nicholas Cage. There's a John Hughes cameo. He's
Brian's father.
Speaker 6: And speaking.
Speaker 7: That's why I keep saying Kirby is because all of
the same people end up in Saint Almost.
Speaker 6: Fire, where Emilio is Kirby. The Dandriff is cheese.
Speaker 7: I was wondering that did Ali Sheety really have that
much nasty Dandriff? No, it's cheese, Farmers cheese. Dandriff So
you can go to the school into the suburb says.
Speaker 8: This is in Chicago. Yeah, so we're two others Sparrisbueler and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of eighties Chicago going on. Yeah, all right,
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Speaker 8: Is this fun did not take place in Chicago, took
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Speaker 8: Starts out with the disrespectful daughter named Cindy and she's
dating a football older guy, alpha male.
Speaker 6: Well there's always the cool jock guy, right, and then
he doesn't appreciate her all right, there's always that Yeah,
well he's on TV doing a local interview and.
Speaker 8: Then ungrateful, heartless, narcissist guy.
Speaker 7: Right now, You'll notice butterflies are all throughout this film.
This is something I noticed years and years ago, and
I thought that that's interesting butterflies. Obviously, I'm not saying
it's in keultra. It's just a symbol of transformation. What
happens to the.
Speaker 6: Butterfly, right, It goes to the larvae to butterfly process.
And that's what's going on here.
Speaker 7: Is that a lot of times when you see butterfly,
it just symbolizes transformation. Sometimes it does symbolize in kilt,
but not always monarch, right.
Speaker 6: But not always.
Speaker 8: One thing I noticed about these movies. They try to
put in your head that your senior year is the
biggest year of your whole life, Like nothing is ever
going to be greater than this, So you have to
make it the best, right, and you have to be
in a click or a tribe to get along in
high school there's no like loaners get eaten and yes
turn into like ashes and they float away as nobody's
dust in the wind.
Speaker 6: And Patrick Dempsey is in with nerds.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Right, So there's a group of nerds and they play
poker every night. The popular kids go to parties and
drink war.
Speaker 8: One thing about this was his friends are kind of cool,
and he has friends and they do things, and I mean,
yes they're nerdy, but they're not good enough.
Speaker 6: So he's got the eighties.
Speaker 7: There weren't there weren't in cells yet in eighties movies
there were just nerds, and nerds had a click like
they had Buddies Revenge of the Nerds. Right, there's always
a group of the nerdy guys. Yeah, and so as
you noted the cools in the Nerds, they're called the
Cools and the Nerds, right, Yeah, But he wants to
climb the ladder. He's like, I'm sick of this. I
want to be in that click because they've got it all.
They've got the chicks, they've got the fame, they've got
the fun, they got beer, the good lunch table, the
cool lunch table. Yeah, and we have none of that.
And so they're sitting there and they're just like, man,
I want that. Yeah, And the other nerds are like,
you can't have that, and he's he's daring. He's like, no,
I can't.
Speaker 6: I think I can.
Speaker 8: I like how the dad, his dad is living in
his generation's glory days, Like he's got the transient whatever.
Speaker 6: No, he's got a station wagon that he's got tricked.
Speaker 8: Out, oh like the woody yeah of the beach boys.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and he lets pack drive that.
Speaker 8: Yeah all right, nerds invest So he's got this money.
Speaker 6: He's right. The nerds are responding.
Speaker 7: They're think they think about the future, right, the popular
kids the job They just think about the here and
the now, which is interesting because when we get to
Ferris Bueller, this is going to be inverted because Faris
doesn't care about the future. Ferris lives totally for the moment,
it's very it's very interesting.
Speaker 8: Beta orbiter pay piggy for popularity.
Speaker 6: So I didn't know what a paypiggy was, and I
looked this up.
Speaker 7: I think it was somebody from ralf red Thorp, Booberlely
or somebody was talking about pay piggies one day and I.
Speaker 6: Was like, what is a pay piggy?
Speaker 7: And do not look this up because you will probably
stumble upon what I accidentally stumbled upon, which is discussing
fat women who insult their male OnlyFans supporters and they
get paid to do this. I saw a video of
this one disgusting, like three hundred pound woman. She's like,
this is what my fucking pay piggys do for me,
and she fans out like hundreds of dollars. She's like,
I got ten thousand dollars from my fucking pay piggys.
I hate you pay piggies, your bunch of scum. I
want to step on you with my high heels and
put it in your nostril and crunch down.
Speaker 6: And they're like, yes, yes, yes, here, take fifty dollars,
Take one hundred dollars, more and more and more. Really,
this exists, don't look at this exists.
Speaker 7: People, paying disgusting fat women to insult them, paying them
ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 6: Yeah, can you believe this?
Speaker 8: Well, he's paying her to pretend to be his girlfriend, right, Yeah,
I'm trying.
Speaker 7: To so on the guy scale, the cool guy scale,
I'm trying to figure out the scheme. I mean, he
gets some points for creativity, but this game, this scheme
is pretty beta. But at the same time, he's figuring
out that a lot of this is.
Speaker 6: Image, a lot of this is fake.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So he's like, well, the popular kids have money. If
I get money, I can buy popularity. And all I
have to do is And so he finds her the check.
You know, she needs the dress. She needs that, she's
got to have this dress. Consumerism comes into to play here.
Can I just buy popularity? Can I buy love?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 7: Point of this movie, right again, consumerism, capitalism, americanism being critiqued.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And he does hatch a pretty elaborate scheme here, right,
I mean, it's it's interesting, still pretty beta though. I
don't know, but I heard that mystery think of like mystery,
you know, the mystery method and the pickup guy.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, he would like pay, he would rent and
pay girls to hang out. So it looked like, oh,
so he was essentially doing the same thing. And if
you read pay for His Image, yes, and if you
read about this movie, it was actually critiqued because in
the when they did the.
Speaker 7: What's it called where they did the showings for people
who you know, is this too sensitive for audiences? You know,
I'm talking about where they show it to people ahead
of time, not a trailer, but like the focus group
that they thought that it was implying that he was
paying her to have sex, and they were like, you
need to alter this to me because it was implied
I guess originally in the script.
Speaker 6: That that's what he's paying for.
Speaker 7: Okay, so they had to alter that to make it
not about that and just about you know, just maybe look.
Speaker 8: Cool psychological warfare. I don't know what that means. Do
you remember that in the movie.
Speaker 6: I think it was a situation where I think it
had to do with just the way he was trying
to project an image, and then it was all about like,
it's perception management. That's all. The whole movie is about.
Speaker 7: Perception management and projecting an image. But there are actually
espionage references in the film, like there's multiple situations where
it starts he refers to himself as like Bond or something,
and then.
Speaker 6: You hear the secret age man. You hear that playing,
and there is I think a reference to psychological worker.
Speaker 8: Seth Green is in this movie as a little kid.
Speaker 6: Now, what are gray poems in Gray Space, Broken Moon?
Speaker 3: What is that? Oh?
Speaker 8: She writes poems or he writes poems and they're dumb.
Speaker 6: Oh that's right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so her jock boyfriend doesn't care about her poems,
but of course Patrick Dempsey does.
Speaker 8: He didn't see her. Yeah, And then of course there's
the big school dance after they have a fake breakup,
remember hm. And that's the most important thing is the
school dance. And that's where he like makes up that
he mixes up PBS with American Bandstand and he takes
the tribal.
Speaker 6: Dance the African ant eater.
Speaker 8: Yes, so there's always some big dance move in the
eighties teen movies, right, that the whole school has.
Speaker 6: To learn and they do it quite often, there is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 8: Another thing is when he moves up in the world,
he forgets his nobody friends.
Speaker 6: So that's yeah, this happens a lot too, where people
climb the ladder and then they're like, oh, I'm too
good for you now haha.
Speaker 8: And then you know they have to eat crow and
go apologize to their old friends.
Speaker 6: I'm about to blow up back, like, I don't know
you yeah, hold on, hold on. There was something else.
Someone says, So.
Speaker 7: There is a lot of moon symbolism in this film,
and the Moon mission comes up. I'm not sure what
I think of the Moon mission, or I mean, I mean,
I know what I think of the Moon mission. We
know about the fake and all that, but I'm not
sure what I think about the moon symbolism in this film.
Speaker 8: Do you have any idea what that he wanted to
save to buy a telescope.
Speaker 7: Yes, that's right, and that's why the Moon mission comes
up and he tells her all about the moon, like
he starts talking about, you know, the craters and the
different places. I know that, But there's also symbolism to
the moon, is what I'm trying to get at. So
on a symbolic level, what.
Speaker 8: Moon changes faces?
Speaker 6: That's true, Yes, good point. He's spying on us in
his spasmobile. Most a good one. What is that.
Speaker 8: He gets a slow clap at the end, that's an eighties.
Speaker 6: Like remember like one person starts clapping, what do you mean?
Speaker 8: Well, he there's a speech, and then one yeah, one
person starts clapping, and then every the rest are classing
okay except to him again m hm, can't buy me.
Speaker 6: Let's see.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: There were some interesting facts about this, which one of
which was the fact that it was originally called Boy
Rints Girl, and they had to change the movie because
too many people thought that it sounded like, uh, you know,
Lady of the Evening type of stuff.
Speaker 6: That's why it almost didn't get made, it says in
the facts. Originally it was it was an indie film.
That's I don't know why that was the case. I
guess it got bought and bought it by Disney or something.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: It had some more r rated material that was later removed.
Speaker 7: The you shit on my house this line, which is
probably the most famous. It says, it was almost removed they.
Speaker 6: Thought it was too edgy. So the babe in this
died in twenty fifteen. Apparently she had a drug addiction,
as many of the Hollywood youthful stars do.
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, and then Paula Abdul did all this goofy dance
and cheerleading scenes in this.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and Rico se Gerardo Rico Sabe is in
the movie. He's one of the goons, one of the
popular goons. I thought he looked familiar. I was like,
what is that anyway? So those are the facts of
Can't Buy Me Love Again? Another commentary on consumerism americanism. Right, No,
it is them. Which one should we do? Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think we should save these two for the last
because they're the bit. No, we're not in a hurry.
These are these are the biggest some of it. So
we should save those two. So we'll do this one next.
This is an interesting one. Uh So, Christopher Chris Columbus
has done some films that do have esoteric themes. I
think this is the only film that has some esoteric
themes inmbedded in it.
Speaker 6: More so at least than the other ones. And if
you remember in Not at the Museum, it's all about
the Emerald tablet. So there's actually this weird alchemical stuff
going on in Not at the Museum with you know,
Ben Stiller and all that stuff. And so this is
Adventures in Babysitting is another Chris Columbus film.
Speaker 7: So in nineteen eighty seven. Go ahead, and there's some
interesting facts that I'll have for this one as well.
So here's my crazy thesis on what Adventures in Baby's
Thing is about.
Speaker 8: He thinks it's about the descent.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think this is a Dante type of story.
Speaker 8: Interestingly, what is Shelley from one?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 8: The little girl who is in love with Thor is
also a character called Shelley. And the.
Speaker 6: Parker Lewis is Yeah, whoa look at that guy. He's
like Bloomer. Now he's not even he's like my agent Boomer.
Speaker 8: You can't read.
Speaker 6: You can't read that.
Speaker 8: They're nerdy. Oh, everybody, everybody has.
Speaker 6: A horny friend. That's a nerd.
Speaker 7: Let's see, yeah, let's see friends. Okay, So all right,
So once again, this is about the suburbs. This is
about the difference in inner city degenerously the city live
contrasted with the ease, simplicity, luxury utopia Eden of the suburbs.
Speaker 8: That's in risky business too and breakfast club.
Speaker 7: Yeah, hold on, we'reing risky business is the city? Oh,
that's right, because the pimp is in the city, that's right. Yes,
And so the vices make their way from the city
outwards to the suburbs.
Speaker 6: Right, good point, and in which which one another one
he said. One of the other ones says cities and
breakfast club. They don't really have the city in that,
do they.
Speaker 8: Well, moll character is luxury city.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but they're all still at a suburban I guess
the suburbs. But this is very explicit. So they will
go on.
Speaker 7: A journey from edenic suburbia into a descent into hades,
and there will actually be multiple references to It's.
Speaker 6: Like they're going into hades or to help.
Speaker 8: Does that make her friend at the bus stop.
Speaker 6: Like, yes, So the friend who runs away.
Speaker 7: This whole thing is kicked off because, first of all,
Elizabeth Shoot is supposed to have an anniversary date with
her boyfriend. Her boyfriend, of course, is the douchebag, as always,
the jock douchebag who is cheating on her. But she
doesn't know this, so he cancels right, and she has
to babysit. She thought she was going to get out
of babysitting because of him, but then she's in. She's
rubbed into babysitting the same time, her friend runs away
from home and.
Speaker 6: Is stuck in the pits of hell. Quite literally. It's like,
I mean this, this is like the worst bus stop ever.
It has everything in it. It's got like midgets, it's
got hobo's living in phone booths, it's got rats side
everything in in this bus station. So she's got to
go save her front.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Ohari, it's weirdos and creeps.
Speaker 8: Yes, is a Playboy magazine? Is the mcguffin of this movie?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: So interestingly the mcguffin is p o prawn poh are in.
And there's this weird thing where the issue has Elizabeth Shoe.
I mean, it's not in real life in the movie,
it's not actually her, but it looks like her, and
everybody's like, it's you.
Speaker 6: She's like, no, it's not, it's not me. But by
the way, in the facts on the film, she had
to shoot that, but it wasn't a real nude shoot.
You see. This is a weird. It's a weird. But so,
why is this the mcguffin. Is this significant?
Speaker 8: It could be Yeah, like why is she twins with
the Playboy?
Speaker 6: Well, it's like it's one of the many vices of
the city, like migrating out to the suburbs. You say,
so the whole movie is losing motown.
Speaker 8: So first they're flat tire right, right, and then they
gets saved by the guy with the hook.
Speaker 6: Well, don't forget too that. So the daughter has this
this Shelley, I don't rememb her name, but Shelley from
Porker Lewis. She has this image of the city is
where you have this giant castle, which is the Serious
Tower or something a billion looks like that. She thinks
that's it where Thorpe lives. Right, So thor lives in
the city and he fights darkness in the city. So
she has this mythological view of the city life and
the country because she reads comic books, so she reads
everything in archetypes, narrative archetypes. Nobody else does. But ironically
she's the one that's right. Remember, because they actually meet.
Speaker 7: Thor Oh, they get flat higher and then so this
is at the entrance of the underworld. So the crazy
hooked guy, which matches up to the horror the scary
story that Elizabeth Shoe told. This freaks them out and
so they realize that they're entering into hades.
Speaker 11: Right, They're stuck, and then they get in big trouble
before they end up in a chop shop, right, the
cars stolen, they end up going it's like layers and
layers and layers.
Speaker 7: If you've read, yeah, if you've read The Divine Comedy,
then you know that it's exact same way. And Dante, right,
the Virgil takes him deeper and deeper and deeper into
more and more degeneracy and craziness, fear until the final,
you know, confrontation at the center of Hades with Satan himself.
Silver Dollar Room, Well, I think the significance here is
that as they go deeper and deeper in when they
finally get to the blues club, it's called the Silver
Dollar Room, and so it's just signifying that the city
is based around money.
Speaker 6: It's like it's just one of the many vices that
controls the city.
Speaker 8: And then they run into another.
Speaker 6: Right, so they had that.
Speaker 7: The scene where they're singing is awful. It's just baby Baby,
it's just totally retarded.
Speaker 6: Dumb song.
Speaker 7: But they have to sing their way out of like
these It's like it's like a video game, like it's
like one boss after another boss. Right, Yeah, and then
they made a prostitute, so they're starting to see all
of these different vices in the city. It's like city
life is nothing but vices. It's almost comical at one
level because at one point they even talk about like
any kids that are seen in the city.
Speaker 6: Are immediately killed. You don't immediately die if you're in
the city.
Speaker 8: If they're on the streets, they're.
Speaker 6: On the street, they're gonna die.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they did run into us.
Speaker 6: So they run into a lady of the evening.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and they're like, you're not seventeen. She's like, yes,
I am. And they're like, what are you doing out here?
She's like, I ran away.
Speaker 7: Run away from home, run away from home, run away
from home. This keeps coming up in the film. Even
the girl who actually did run away, when she finds
what she thinks is a cat and it's a giant rat,
she's like, oh, did you run away from home? Everything
is about run away from home, and even these kids
run away from home.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so oh, and then there's a scene where they're
stuck in a gang fight.
Speaker 6: Yeah. This part's comical because but the gangs are like
two groups of falling like West Side Story gangs. They
look like they're going to break into dance at any
moment not threatening at all, or like the gangs in
Michael Jackson's Bad Video.
Speaker 8: You know they're called the Lords of Hell.
Speaker 6: They're called the Lords of Hell again telling you that
they're actually in Hades or Hell. This is a descent story.
Speaker 7: It's a harrowing where you said, persephone story into the underworld.
And also, by the way, the villains in the chop
shop they wear skull t shirts.
Speaker 8: So she's like the mom babysitter. Oh I get it, okay,
eighties frat party. There's always a frat house party in
eighties movies, right right, And he is the.
Speaker 6: Hero archetype. He helps her get out.
Speaker 7: Remember he gives her fifty dollars forty dollars all he goes,
so he pays her way out of Hades basically.
Speaker 8: Well that Another thing in the eighties movies is if
you have a cheating guy, there's always a nicer guy,
like right there right the day that you figure out
he's cheating, and your perfect prince shows up.
Speaker 6: Now the logo the garage man's thing that so they're
stock they have they don't have the ride. They don't
have a ride out of Hades, right, so they have
to pay the garage man. Or like River Styx. You
can't get out until you pay the toll.
Speaker 8: That's what you have.
Speaker 6: The coins on your eyes, which are silver dollars.
Speaker 8: You say, oh good.
Speaker 6: So they have to pay the garage man to get out.
He's the again, the the what's the guy called who takes.
Speaker 8: You from ferryman?
Speaker 6: The faeryman? Yeah, Thor says, Thor does show up. He
actually has a hammer.
Speaker 7: She offers him her Thor hat and he's like, no,
I can't take that, but he does, ironically sort of
turn into the archetype before.
Speaker 6: It's very interest beeved.
Speaker 8: She turned him to good innocence.
Speaker 6: And he makes an interesting point too about being in
the city. He says, this is the city. I don't
help other people. I help myself. So her the bus
station is like the lowest level of hell. How does
she get out of the bus station?
Speaker 8: I don't remember?
Speaker 7: And then so that one was interesting, Let's see interesting facts.
Paramount only wanted Molly Ringwall didn't want Elizabeth Shoe Chris
Columbus's first movie.
Speaker 6: Uh. They had to spread trash everywhere because it was.
Speaker 7: Filmed in Toronto and it was too clean. They had
to break into the subway to shoot that one scene
with the fake ass gangs.
Speaker 6: They wanted it to be he Man, but they couldn't
get the rights to he Man. Elizabeth who did not
pose for Playboy. Elizabeth Shoe dated Brad and dumped him
both on and off screen. Isn't that interesting? He was
typecast as a jerk and they tried to get this.
They try to spin off with Joey Lawrence and that
did not work. What's up?
Speaker 8: We got say anything? In curricular love?
Speaker 6: I don't like see so much? What's how's it going?
So much pain.
Speaker 12: And this loneliness fills my heart? Remember I drive off
in myne I want to run away, drive.
Speaker 6: Off in my car. Oh my instant.
Speaker 9: There return the Grand Fassa without a noise. Oh my bride,
I reach out from the inside.
Speaker 8: In your rise such hammer.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm on my way. I'm making it big time.
Speaker 7: That has an all sing on, by the way, big time. Well,
the video shows you how to make it big time.
Oh it's about selling your soul. Go watch the go,
watch the go watch the video.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, anyway, once again, prom graduation is the biggest
day of your whole life. This to say anything? John Cusack.
Speaker 6: Can I do Michael Adams from Robin Hood Prince of
these Brian Adams?
Speaker 8: You mean not Michael Adams looking too my.
Speaker 6: You see, oh man?
Speaker 8: That is you mean too?
Speaker 7: That makes my soul crumple up into a ball and
fall into the trash. That hate that song so much
because when I was a kid, they would That's the
only song.
Speaker 6: They were playing the radio all the times, like Michael
Jowl or something. Is that the one with staying in
Brian Adams? No, I think it's just that's three musketeers.
That one's the worst. How's that go? Let's do it
all for what alone? Anyway? Oh, by the way, shout
out to Coco if you are watching, because we know
a relative of a Yona Sky So she is a
longtime Jay's Analysis listener and a fan of the esoteric
Hollywood books.
Speaker 7: H And she is a relative of Eona Sky, So
shout out to her if she's watching.
Speaker 6: But yes, so, Say Anything is a good movie. It
is also not it's an atypical teen movie.
Speaker 7: This is Cameron Crowe and Kimon Crwe. Yeah, so, Kevin
Crowe has quite a few interesting films. Tell us about
Say Anything?
Speaker 8: This is another movie about authentic nobody's versus fake popular people, right,
and also.
Speaker 6: Uh, fraudulent authority figures with the dad. So it's prom
it's it's the end of the It's the end of
senior year, and that's a fun time. If you remember
the end of your senior year, do you remember that?
I mean, you were homeschool but you had a senior hear,
didn't you?
Speaker 8: I went to college in my senior year.
Speaker 6: Were you like an ap advanced nerd?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I was a coolie. I wasn't a nerd.
Speaker 8: Okay, So the brain stay with brains and the jocks
stay with jocks.
Speaker 7: Now Lloyd, Lloyd Dobbler is not a nerd. Let's make
this clear. So Lloyd is an outlier. He's kind of
like Vender. He's like, he's just eccentric. He he doesn't
care about that kind of stuff. He's into kick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he wants to be a So he's actually kind
of got some you know, alpha mojo. He's not afraid
of anything.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 8: I really liked his character in the way that they
made him an alpha without being a jock, in the
way that he was responsible for everyone at the party.
He took all their keys, so that you can't drive drunk.
Speaker 7: And he doesn't fit into any of the groups. Yeah,
he's not a he's not He doesn't fit into any
of the groups, which makes his character interesting because usually
in the eighties films that you're either the nerd who's
trying to get you know, Patrick Dempsey or your you know,
the job or whatever, or the popular girl. Right, but
here the popular girl is there is some class warfare
because if you remember, we don't know why, but John
Cusack is living with his sister and her single she's
a single mom, and he's living with them. Where are
the parents, We don't know, they're out of the picture.
So this is forced John Cusack to kind of grow
up fast. That's why he's responsible. He has to be
an uncle.
Speaker 6: Help out.
Speaker 8: Who is Oh so here again they have teens have
so much pressure trope. Oh, there was a super advanced
cell phone in the movie. Do you remember for such
a her dad who had her dad had this old
cell phone.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: The reason for that is that her dad is actually
cheating on his taxes and he's scamming old people out
of money because he runs a retirement or not a
retirement what do you call it? Like a assisted living
and he's been scamming all these old people out of
their money. So he has to hide the money with
all of these expensive things, right, So that's why he's
so adamant about sending her overseas and paying for all
this stuff is because he has to put money into stuff.
Speaker 6: That's why he bought the jukebox, That's why he's bought
the phone.
Speaker 8: He thinks she is like the apex of the pyramid.
I think he even actually says something like that.
Speaker 6: He says, baby, there's a pyramid. You're up here at
the top. You're gonna be in a think tank. Everybody
else is down here.
Speaker 8: She got special scholarship.
Speaker 6: But what's interesting is that he is this super hyper
moral guy. He acts like he's the face of the community,
but he's a total crook.
Speaker 7: And what's interesting about Lloyd is that Lloyd, you know,
he he falls in love with the girl. He's really
into her.
Speaker 6: And so this is a clash between Lloyd and the
dad here for her attention and affection.
Speaker 3: Mm hm, And like.
Speaker 8: Who is more virtuous, the guy with no money but
he doesn't lie, or the dad with all.
Speaker 6: The money who is being He's a total Crook.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a lot of talk about you have to
make major life choices when you're eighteen. All of these
movies complain about.
Speaker 6: It's always like, who knows what they want to be
when they're eighteen? Well, do we have to make good decisions?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't remember the character Joe. Do you remember
who that was? He her a boy that she wanted
to go or.
Speaker 6: Is that I wrote his friend Jeremy Piven, his friend.
Speaker 8: No, maybe Joe's the dad.
Speaker 6: Maybe I don't remember who Joe is. But anyway, but yeah,
she has she she's supposedly super smart, right, they think
she's going to be a brain. So she got brains
in her room, which was really weird. But she's already
into this is interesting. She's already into social justice stuff
in the eighties. So she castigates Lloyd for agism, who
in the eighties.
Speaker 7: I'd never heard of this in the eighties, right, But
she actually bitches at him, and unfortunately Lloyd couks at that,
because he should have called her out and been like,
I'm not I don't care what you say, but when
you're eighteen, you can't really your drives control who you love.
Quote unquote, so Lloyd can't resist his love for for her,
and this leads him to unfortunately make the decision to
stake all of his future on her. So he's going
to go with her to England, England or Europe. Okay,
which huge mistake.
Speaker 6: Lloyd never should have done this. And by the way,
I have a fascinating theory. I don't remember.
Speaker 7: I don't want to if my friend came up with
this theory. I want to give him credit, but I
can't remember if he came up with it or if
we noticed it when we were watching it. But if
you watch Gross point Blank, it almost seems like a
loose sequel to this because it's many years later that
the John Cusack I'm saying a loose sequel, right, The
John Cusack character comes back to his hometown after.
Speaker 6: He's been away for many many years. He ended up
going into the military, and he's called the iceman and
he's got his pen all right, And Jeremy Piven comes
up in Gross point Blank as well. But which Gross
plant Blake actually is a good movie?
Speaker 7: Uh So, I suspect that we're supposed to think that
loosely speaking, Iona Sky dumped Lloyd. This broke Lloyd's heart.
So Lloyd was like, you know what, I'm gonna become
a hit man. So he goes into because he literally
becomes a hitman. If you remember at gross point blank,
he's like, and guess what he even mentions at one
point in gross point blank assassins in relationship to the Rothschilds.
That comes up in gross point blank. Yeah, so the
iceman comes back. Some people think too that maybe that
I think it was a.
Speaker 6: Flop, the one war.
Speaker 7: There's like a third one where somebody thinks that maybe
even Lloyd Dobbler is in a third film that Won
War with uh Liz who's Lizy maguire?
Speaker 6: What's her name? There's a Hillary Duff movie with John Cusack. Anyway,
by the way, in gross point blank, do you remember
what dan ackroyd?
Speaker 7: When dan Ackroyd another hitman comes to kill John Cusack,
do you remember what he cites?
Speaker 6: No? What w B yates about the beast slouching its
way towards Beth Lant? Oh really isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Huh, well, I thought was weird in this movie? Is
the relationship between the dad and the daughter is really Yeah?
Speaker 7: So the mom has died and the dad is not
just the helicopter protected dad warr inc.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 7: By the way, Ron, could you give your impression. Do
you feel like is there a loose reference to uh
war Inc. Being the trilogy of the Lloyd Dobbler trilogy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, by the way, yeah, go watch watch Gross point
blank after say anything and see if you don't notice
some of these.
Speaker 7: Now, it could just be loose references to previous John
Cusack characters. But he's called Iceman in the pen comes.
Speaker 8: Up, he says, Benny the Jet Q sex kickboxing coach,
played the martial arts using hit man who tried to
kill him and gross point blank.
Speaker 6: So there you go. Another reference. There's a lot of
different connections to gross point blank. Yeah, go ahead, Oh okay.
Speaker 8: So the dad is too super enmeshed with the daughter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's creepy, even to the point.
Speaker 8: Where she tells him when she slept with John Cusack
for the first time.
Speaker 6: She like goes to Dad, I'll tell you everything, and
I slept with him. He's like mm hmmm his cringe face.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So yeah, it's like a struggle between her dad
and her suitor and which one is she.
Speaker 7: Going to be loyal to dan Acrooyd cites Oza Mandius
uh oh, like uh.
Speaker 6: Behold my works and despair. But he's mentions that, doesn't
he He mentions the beast of revelation, doesn't he?
Speaker 7: I mean when when dan Ackroyd's come into the house
to kill John Cusack, he's like shooting in the house
and he's just like spouting out like poetry and stuff.
Speaker 6: Anyway, go ahead, that's pretty much it's.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So with the film ends with them and them
on the plane, and I've always come away with this
movie from this movie thinking this is doomed, like there's
no way this relationship is gonna work, Like this is
just doomed.
Speaker 8: No, because he has to find his career thing and
not just follow him.
Speaker 7: You can't, yeh, follow some check across the world that's
doomed to disaster. So all right, the final one, Ferris,
obviously you have to put Ferris Bueller on there. Yeah,
there's a little more going on in Ferris than I
would have thought. I didn't there's some things seeing it
once again that I didn't reminds.
Speaker 8: Me of risky business in the way that you're trying
to game the system and shortcuts get you everywhere, there
are no consequences. And this reminds me of adventures and
babysitting because it's another adventure in the city, from the
suburbs to the.
Speaker 6: City, right slatching his way towards Bethlehem. That's the the
WB eight's thing.
Speaker 8: But anyway, what now faris Bueler's like adventures in babysitting
because they're going from the suburbs to the city.
Speaker 6: Yeah. But so here's the weird thing is that it's
not the typical thing that we've seen before. Because Ferris
is the most popular guy, he's not interested in his future.
In fact, he has this dialogue at the beginning.
Speaker 7: He says people are interested in geopolitics, fascism, communism, Marxism, isms.
Speaker 6: He says, I don't care about isms. He says, I'm
interested in me in the right now, not the future.
And when am I going to get a car?
Speaker 7: So cars, which obviously come up all throughout eighties movies, Car, car,
carc car, because yes, in one sense it's you're sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen that you're getting your first car, So yes, obviously
that but it's also related to America and consumerism because
that's a particularly American thing of when you're sixteen you
get your car. Know, that's in other countries as well,
but it's typically we think of him because cars come
from America, right, And this.
Speaker 8: Is another parents are consumers yuppies, right, so.
Speaker 7: That the parents are the are the yuppies exactly, and
they're upper middle class. And we're gonna have the journey
into the city and Ferris is going to play even
though he's not. He's playing the role of Bender. He's
just like Bender.
Speaker 8: Yeah, less aggressive than Bender.
Speaker 6: Though, well he's like a successful Bender.
Speaker 8: Yeah. The rule in this movie is parents are suckers, right.
His parents are that he just got him wrapped around
his finger and everything. He says, they just like pat
him on the head and coddle him. He's the favorite.
He's the whole world's favorite.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Actually every adult in the film is duped exactly.
Speaker 8: High school is brainwashing?
Speaker 3: Is that what you.
Speaker 6: Yeah? Because he says that, Yeah, he says high school.
Who cares abou? High school? High school is brainwashing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So you got Ferris the Epicurean on one hand, and
then you've got Cameron the depressed Ali. Sheety like your character.
Speaker 6: He is like or exactly right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so there are two opposites, right, Ferris has it all.
Everything works for him. He's like Parker Lewis, Like Parker
Lewis can't lose Cameron, the exact opposite, total depression, wants
to die, thinks he's constantly he's like I said, he's
an e or chondraact.
Speaker 6: It's because of neglect. So what's interesting is that they
couldn't be more contrasted.
Speaker 7: And what Ferris wants to do is be the catalyst
to propel Cameron to exit his self imposed prison. But
he has to get Cameron to realize that the prison
isn't Cameron's dad, it's Cameron. Cameron has Cameron in a prison,
not the dad, and so it's actually just an excuse
that Cameron has. And so he has to destroy the
symbol of his father, the Porsche.
Speaker 8: Right. So here's another movie where you are taught that
you need to scam your way to the top.
Speaker 7: Right, because this is this is big time about consumerism
and about winning.
Speaker 6: This is about who the winners are. And by the way,
winning winning by winning.
Speaker 7: Charlie She he's the boyfriend in the police station. Right
for Aaron Gray or Jennifer Gray, excuse me. So, so
it's about consumerism, it's about.
Speaker 6: What does Pharis say? He says, my concern isn't is
it's me believe in yourself. That's the thing I believe in.
So you have this, do what that will? Right? You
have this the yuppie excess, Reagan era of success that
brought all of this wealth.
Speaker 7: The children of those yuppies are totally Crollian, right, I mean,
Ferris is again, he's like the successful bender totally and
he even says game the system. He says, he laughs
about people who don't game the system.
Speaker 8: Another rule in the eighties, if you're home alone, you have.
Speaker 7: To dance in your underwear once again, all throughout, right, Yeah,
I mean in the nineteen eighties, is entirely possible that
every time somebody was in their house, that's all they
did was dance in their underwear, right until like the
next day, well.
Speaker 6: Until somebody else, until somebody comes home, their parents come home.
Challenge to authority always.
Speaker 8: He already has a computer in his room.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, because they're upper middle class. He's got all
the gadgets, and his parents buy him anything he wants.
They totally caught him. This is an interesting element is
that at no point does he have anything. I mean,
no one even remotely rebukes or corrects, and.
Speaker 6: Even the only person who tries his sister ultimately submits,
gives in and staves him.
Speaker 3: At the end.
Speaker 8: Right, he talked about how Cameron's dad loves his car
more he's.
Speaker 7: Absentee father, which again is a commentary on the successful
Reagan era boomer dad who is loves the poor.
Speaker 6: She doesn't care about camera.
Speaker 8: So this is one of the first movies I think.
Speaker 6: We don't even see We don't even see Cameron's dad.
Speaker 8: He's not even in the movie. He's just this figure.
Teens are better at technology, and he's continually used technology.
Speaker 6: To all the time. Everyone, the adults, every adult is
duped by the tech, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 8: Answering machines he uses, he uses different lines.
Speaker 6: He's got a whole.
Speaker 7: Rube Goldberg machine hooked up in his room so that
it wins. Mom opens the door, right, she hears him
a tape of him snealing.
Speaker 8: He hacks the school computer, that's right, and takes absent.
Speaker 6: Days off, which he does in war games as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he uses the the phone with different lines to
get into the restaurant to dupe the adult at the
major d Right, the.
Speaker 6: Snooty waiter, Yeah, so ab froman the Sausage King of Chicago.
Speaker 8: All the technology the teens are using to pull a
fast one on authority.
Speaker 6: So Feris Buehler's day off.
Speaker 7: This is like the weekend, right, the idea of leisure,
the idea of all of your life becoming leisure. I
mean he represents like the ultimate American ideal.
Speaker 8: And he was still going to get a car at
the end because when his mom was like, I was
gonna use that money to buying a car, so he
didn't even have to like earn his own car. His
mom was going to buy it for him.
Speaker 6: Well, and then the Beatles song, right, I mean he's
in the middle of this parade. It's almost like this
is this even is it satire? Almost? I mean, is
it a satire of well, the upper middle class.
Speaker 8: You made a point when you said Ferris Bueller's like
John Lennon when he's singing that Beatles song, because John
Lennon was super popular.
Speaker 7: Right, there's a line that the principal says exactly, He's like,
we have fifteen hundred students. Ferris Bueller is more popular
than me. He says, I don't want fifteen hundred Fais Buellers.
He's like, I've got to end Bueller. And of course,
in the Norman narrative of John Lennon, right, the idea
was that to the military industrial complex, John Lennon was
too popular and he represented and again in the Norman narrative,
you know whatever you think about you know, don't I
don't believe. I think he was assassinated in the conspiratorial way.
But in the Norman narrative he was too popular, so
he had to be removed. So and that's what does
Fairest sing. He has this dionysia and twist and show yeah.
Speaker 6: Sings John Lynn.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, he has this core. He said, you can
never go too.
Speaker 6: Far right extremes, Yeah, yes, winners.
Speaker 8: Winning, Yeah, Charlie, she talks about winning.
Speaker 7: So the way I let's say, how did I phrase it?
If we played by the rules, we would be in gym,
he says to Cameron. So he's trying to tell Cameron.
He says, you can never go too far. Look, Cameron,
if you play by the rules, you'd be in Jim. Yeah,
he's like, don't play by the rules to win.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we are winners. Americans aren't winners.
Speaker 8: Remember, Cameron goes catatonic at one point. He's so traumatized
that he can't speak.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: So this is this is Fairest manipulating and prodding the
catalyst to transform Cameron. The whole movie is about Cameron's transformation,
and he achieves it because he has to get Cameron
to destroy the archetype of his father, which is the
porschep right, And so Cameron's traumatized. But then he realizes
when the when the Porsche goes off the cliff out
of the back of the house, He's like, now I
own it.
Speaker 6: I'll take it.
Speaker 8: Is it a ferrari?
Speaker 6: Oh maybe it is, whatever it is. But but when
it happens, he's like, all right, now I'm free. Yeah,
So because he realized it was his own prison, you see.
Speaker 8: And then the at the very end he's talking about
life moves pretty fast. If you don't slow down, you're
gonna miss it. So if you don't, if you play
by the rules, life is going to overtake you.
Speaker 6: You'll never be a winner.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna be stuck in a slave job under
authority all the time.
Speaker 6: Interesting facts. Anthony Michael Hall thinks that John Hughes wanted
him to be Ferris.
Speaker 7: He didn't get that role. Milio Sz was supposed to
be camera. He didn't want that role.
Speaker 8: Let's see, could Ferris be a pan figure a trickster? Yeah, sure,
he is a trickster absolutely.
Speaker 6: Matthew broder and Jennifer Gray were engaged before the movie.
That's interesting. Ben Stein was supposed to do his lecture
off camera. Robert Smith of The Cure wrote a song
that was never used. That's interesting. John Hughes annoyed Paul McCartney.
That's funny. Matthew Broderick couldn't do the choreography he was
taught in the parade scene. That's interesting. So I guess
he had to do kind of move around. The reason
this is interesting, for the first twelve years of his life,
John Hughes lived in Gross Pointe, Michigan, and he loved
the local hockey team. And that's the reason that Cameron
wears the jersey. Charlie Sheen stayed awake for more than
two days to have the look that he has. In
that place, he did look pretty out. The Ferrari was
not real. It was fake.
Speaker 8: Someone wants to create impression life or.
Speaker 6: The news today. It broke me. It broke me. Scott
step broke me. Okay, uh tim res super chats. Thank
you guys. This was a lot of fun. Yes, not
every movie analysis is a conspiracy. Did you know that?
Not every movie is a conspiracy? People? So you think
every movies a freaking conspiracy? No, we don't, No, we
do not.
Speaker 7: I've done multiple streams have nothing to do with conspiracies
and movies. Did you hear any conspiracy tonight? All you've
heard was risky business and not risky business. What adventures
in babysitting has to do with the descent in two eighties?
That's all you heard tonight.
Speaker 6: Slav K Nope, we're not reading that one and I
banned that guy is the two dollars Jay? Have you
heard of KRS one? Absolutely?
Speaker 7: I listened to eighties rap in the eighties because I
grew up in San Diego and so I was listening
to rap before rap had hit the rest of the
coasts or the Middle America, you know what I mean.
So of course I have heard KRS one. I listened
to all the eighties rappers literally, because I would go
home every day after school, I would watch your m
TV raps with Doctor Dre and I'd love but thank
you for that two dollars. And I know that KRS
one has some fairly woke.
Speaker 6: Lyrics. In fact, Patrick twenty first century Wire actually went
to a KRS one concert and was trying to do
an interview. But I don't recall if he ever did interview,
but he at least tried to. Johnny J. Twenty bucks.
Speaker 7: If you need a boost, please do the Southern judge impression.
If you want to heal the Southern judge impression. Hill
from Georgia. I believe he is asking for a contrast
to the Southern accent of other eras, namely of the
Tennessee Mountain piple. But he'll in Gelgia, everything is molasses
coming out.
Speaker 6: Of the mouth. That's Georgia, sweet tea. Do you know
the difference between Georgia and Tennessee? Right, Yes, you're constricted
potentially Georgia. Very easy to do those two. So but
thank you for that, Johnny J. Johnny J.
Speaker 7: It's a good name. DC Customs, twenty bucks. Can you
discuss the themes of the nerd versus the popular evil Wait,
popular versus evil kid, poor kid, rich kid, ugly kid
fighting the hands kid to get the pretty girl in
greater context of the American dream. Yes, a lot of
these films are about the American dream.
Speaker 6: I think we did cover that, especially with Ferris.
Speaker 7: Although Ferris isn't having to fight because every he has
everything like there's nothing goes wrong until the very end
when he's almost caught by the principal and then his
sister saves him. So even his perceived enemy, the sister
the really I mean not the principal. You know, she
saved them because she could have destroyed it.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 8: The jock slash popular is always most of the time
they're portrayed as a antagonist.
Speaker 6: Think yes, except for Ferris.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so most of these they're written from the perspective of.
Speaker 6: The often so now Tom Cruise is the protagonist and
he is a jock. Well he's is he a businessman,
he's the future Enterprising CEO. Kirby is a is a
typical jock. I can't bind me A lot of typical
jock I mentioned in Babysitting typical jock say anything no,
uh no jockson Ferris bueller. Yeah, that's interesting, but yeah,
typically it is an archetype. But what is the what
is the American dream?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: In eighties movies.
Speaker 8: To be prom king and queen.
Speaker 6: And then to be a winner.
Speaker 8: Those people are the successful people. Like that's what they're saying.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm. But that's not always, not always.
Speaker 8: I know that's not real life, but that.
Speaker 7: Well, like we didn't do sixteen Candles, we didn't do
Pretty and Paint, we didn't do some kind of Wonderful,
and those all have divergent narratives that aren't always like
some kind of wonderful is not a typical thing because
that ends up being the tom the tomboy gets, gets
the guy, not the popular girl.
Speaker 8: Right, and then.
Speaker 6: What happens in Pretty and Paint? I don't remember does
Molly Ringwald?
Speaker 8: She makes her own prom dress?
Speaker 6: Okay, forgotten I have. I haven't watched that long now.
Speaker 7: Anyway, that's an interesting dialectic that we did our architect
that we wanted to cover here. Evan Schultz twenty bucks.
Thank you so much, Evan much appreciate it. We're not
going to read that one. No, we're not going to
read that one. What's that John Chris's Blue North Bear
ten dollars. I think a lot of these movies were subversive.
Jocks had to work hard to maintain their physique and
be brave enough to ask girls out, whereas the nerds
were wimpy gammas and not heroes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it could could be. I mean Revenge of the Nerds.
I did analysis of that. Go watch.
Speaker 7: I think when I hit twenty five thousand or thirty thousand,
I did a range of the Nerds stream and I
did talk about the subversive elements and Revenge of the Nerds.
So that's definitely there sometimes, but I think most it
also could be marketing because most people aren't jocks, most
people aren't popular. Most of the people are going to
be the normal people in high school who were just
normal people who nobody recognized, right. I mean in my
high school, we have fifteen hundred people, and the popular
top of the pyramid was pretty small. I mean there were, like,
you know, a handful of popular people in a few
different groups. Everybody else was a nobody.
Speaker 6: Now I'm not being mean.
Speaker 7: I'm saying that's the way it's viewed when you're in
high school. Oh that's a nobody. Don't talk to him right,
So is it subversive? It could be In many cases,
it could be DC customs five dollars. Can you do
a video on legendary film? Legendary films of Van Dam
all hail eighties action cheese. I've been wanting to do
some Van Dam because they're pretty goofy. In fact, the
I mean blood Sport is fascinating just for this whole
story of Frank Duke's because a lot of people say, oh, like,
you know, the whole Frank Duke's story is all just
made up, right, Like he was, like I was a
famous CIA operative.
Speaker 6: And if you didn't know that, go look up the video.
Speaker 7: There's some good videos on YouTube about Frank Dukes, who
is the basis for Jean Claude's character in Blood Work.
And then you know the question as to whether Frank
Duke's like made up all this stuff right? Because the
whole martial arts world is full of all these scam characters.
It's pretty funny. There's some really good videos on YouTube
about how much scammery goes on in the martial arts world.
Blue Eyeshadow is making a comeback. I sure hope, so Jamie,
you can sing too, thank you Viking fan. Five dollars,
So you're getting compliments from Vikings. He's going to try
to steal you and take you off in his fucking boat.
What are they kind of? Maybe what a Vikings float around?
And do they have a name for their Viking boats?
Speaker 6: So I don't know what they called.
Speaker 7: He's gonna take you to Valhalla. Sadie Rochelle ten bucks.
What's up, Sadie? Longtime Jays Analysis follower and supporter. You
guys are both amazing. Thank you for your work. Well,
you're amazing. Thank you for your support. Longtime Jays Analysis
supporter and listener. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Jack two dollars. This is a sin to play the
stock market. I don't think that investing is a sin.
It's no different than investing. I mean, I don't. I
think there's nothing wrong with cryptocurrency. I bought crypto in
the past. Just investing be no different than investing in
local business. So in my opinion, it would not be alt.
Monarch is five bucks. Despite being an atheist. Soviet teen
movies were wholesome and family friendly. Interesting. I don't know
that I've ever seen a Soviet teen movie. So there's
Russian teen Soviet teen movies that would be interesting to see,
but that actually there is some truth to that.
Speaker 7: In fact, some of the Soviet stuff was less degenerate
than Western stuff. A lot of people don't know this,
but that's actually true.
Speaker 6: Let's see DC.
Speaker 7: Customs fight Out American Dream follow up. I meant that
those themes were meant to reinforce the American dream underdog
story and any underclass can win, exactly exactly. This is
a key point that is often in eighties American dream films,
which is the idea that in America, anyone can get
to the top.
Speaker 6: That's a selling point for America. Americanism and American ideology
is that through pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, you
can't get to the top. Now there's a degree to
which this is true somewhat, but also it's a lot
of lie.
Speaker 8: That's in that book you're reading. You're going to do
a show on called Millennium on the work chapter. Remember
what does he say in there that working hard is
a virtue and it's an American.
Speaker 6: Well he's just tracing yeah, that's right, he's tracing the
older American ideals out right.
Speaker 8: So that'll make a good show will.
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 7: Anything else? Anybody else? That's the one I just did.
I hope you guys enjoyed tonight's analyses. Do you have
a favorite of this?
Speaker 8: Awesome? Favorite of these? Okay, let me see WoT.
Speaker 6: It we forgot to give?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 6: How many boom boxes does say anything? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Four boxes out of five? I want to hear Peter
gab again from.
Speaker 6: Four out of five? No, not doing that. You should
have laughed at my hottest man in the world joke,
and then I would have done it. Uh So, how
many what is patch? How many carrados does Can't buy
Me Love get? How many ricos swaves does it get? Swave?
Speaker 8: Give it eight?
Speaker 6: Eight ricos out of ten? Okay? How many ben Stein's
Money's does first Peeler get yol Are seven? How many
any hold on? How many wayfarers does risky business god?
Speaker 8: Six?
Speaker 6: Six out of ten wayfars? How many what is the
sandwich she makes? How many Captain crunched sugar sandwiches on
white bread, white bread with pixie sticks?
Speaker 8: I'll give that?
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 7: How many Playboy magazines does inventureing Babyson go so Adventures
Baby saying is the highest rated one or say anything.
Speaker 8: Mm hm.
Speaker 6: The highest rate of one all this, that's that's unexpected.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, DC Customs two dollars, great show, well, thank
you much appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Fun.
Speaker 6: It was a lot of fun. Is there another one
at the bottom there? I hate the way this works.
You can't ever see them? Is the two dollars? You
should watch KRS one's video on freemasonry. Okay, I will
do that. I did not know you had a video
on masonry, so I will do that. What did I
ask you is that it is this a separate note
about tropes? What are the tropes? Gotta get l a
I D. Gotta take the parents' car out, Gotta have
a house party.
Speaker 8: Got a drag race in town?
Speaker 6: There has to be a race, okay.
Speaker 8: Pull off a caper before your parents come home.
Speaker 6: And transformation.
Speaker 8: If you're a nerd, you have to abandon your friends.
Speaker 6: Excellent. All right, thank you guys. Everybody, have a good
night and I'll see you soon.