Speaker 1: Welcome to my world.
Speaker 2: Bitch. Wow.
Speaker 1: Good here that's right, listeners, we are here. I am
Speaker 1: Jason Knight and I am Oscar Spector And this is
Speaker 1: the one hundred and fifty eighth episode of The Supernatural
Speaker 1: the Current Studies podcast.
Speaker 3: So statistically paranormal.
Speaker 1: There was a list of adjectives you said you had
Speaker 1: come in with the intro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think it will get you with that one.
Speaker 1: That was good. That was good. Uh well, Oscar. First thing,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about our new intro song. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am in love with this song.
Speaker 3: I feel like headbang into it. It's metals metal, which
Speaker 3: is like my favorite genre of music in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely unique. I think this is gonna
Speaker 1: really kind of bring something new and fresh to the podcast. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was. It was made by a close friend of mine,
Speaker 1: a friend of the show, DJ Eric Rich. He put
Speaker 1: that together for us. There's a lot of complexity to
Speaker 1: that intro as well. There's so many layers.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that DJ joke?
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 3: What did the DJ name his son?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: Eric?
Speaker 1: What was his name?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Eric?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, that's his name. That was great.
Speaker 1: That was That is his name?
Speaker 3: I don't remember that joke when you said.
Speaker 1: DJ Eric, if you're listening, I hope you're laughing. But no,
Speaker 1: he he put that together. Now typically like this, that
Speaker 1: that kind of horror, evil kind of sound. That's not
Speaker 1: his sound. His sound, it's he describes it as a
Speaker 1: collective of funky disco house music. It's music that you
Speaker 1: you don't hear it, you feel it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so that's not his typical genre. But I asked him, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of want to freshen up the podcast.
Speaker 1: Do something really cool with the intro, something evil, something funky,
Speaker 1: something that gets you going and pumped ready to jump
Speaker 1: into the show. And he's like, I got you. And
Speaker 1: we went back and forth for about a week, week
Speaker 1: and a half or so, and so we got it
Speaker 1: just right. And man, I'm in love with it. So
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah to the point too. It's nice and fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that heartbeat, the heart beat throughout that intro
Speaker 1: the first time. So when he sent me, he sent
Speaker 1: me a file before he added any music to it,
Speaker 1: it was just kind of all these different layered sound
Speaker 1: effects I see, And the one thing he brought into
Speaker 1: it was this heartbeat and I'm telling you, the first
Speaker 1: time I heard it, I almost felt paranoid, like I
Speaker 1: was on edge listening to this track and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you nail. I mean, that's exactly, that's the exact feel
Speaker 1: I want. And then he looped in that music and
Speaker 1: it just yeah, So I'm really exciting.
Speaker 3: Much like your local news coverage, folks, we also want
Speaker 3: to scare you right off the.
Speaker 1: Bat exactly keet you in the mood, especially for tonight's episode.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you Dj Eric Rich listeners. In the
Speaker 1: show notes, I'm gonna have all of his socials, I'll
Speaker 1: have his YouTube, I'll have his SoundCloud, his TikTok. But
Speaker 1: just to name them, it's YouTube dot com slash Eric
Speaker 1: Rich six nine. SoundCloud is SoundCloud dot com slash dj
Speaker 1: Eric Rich. And that's e R I c R. I
Speaker 1: see that's good. Yeah yeah right, people do no, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't want that ship and no one that's fucking
Speaker 1: k get here and uh check them out on TikTok.
Speaker 1: That's TikTok dot com slash dj Eric Rich listeners. Check
Speaker 1: him out, give him a like, and to follow. His
Speaker 1: music is fantastic a collective of funky disco, house music,
Speaker 1: music that you feel you don't hear. All right, So
Speaker 1: new intro. We got a great topic for tonight. Osk
Speaker 1: her anything new and exciting to going on with you?
Speaker 3: I do. I have a foolish story, a story that
Speaker 3: only proves further if you weren't sure before, folks that
Speaker 3: I am human. This story is happened a couple months ago.
Speaker 3: I went in for a job interview in Rosemond, which
Speaker 3: is a town adjacent ish to my city of Chicago,
Speaker 3: and it's not too far from me, like twenty five
Speaker 3: minute drive. And I went there for an interview to
Speaker 3: the outlet malls, my first time there actually, and I
Speaker 3: had the interview, but it went fine. Didn't get a callback,
Speaker 3: so not that fine. That finday was cool. I made jokes.
Speaker 3: It was a good rapport, I thought. Anyway, I leave
Speaker 3: the complex to go to my car in the parking
Speaker 3: lot on the first floor, or and I go to
Speaker 3: the exact spot and my car is in there. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I don't forget. This is the best thing about this dude,
Speaker 3: in this whole thing, is that I did not lose
Speaker 3: my mind once. I didn't even swear. I didn't even
Speaker 3: like I just went where is it? Literally said that
Speaker 3: to myself in the parking lot at two pm, and
Speaker 3: I looked around just to make sure, like did I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure I parked your ninety nine percent? Sure because
Speaker 3: I am good about that usually. I walked everywhere else
Speaker 3: around that area. Didn't find it. You know. I clicked
Speaker 3: on my on my what you call it the keyfob?
Speaker 3: No alarm cars, not environment shit. So I call security,
Speaker 3: the mall security guy and they have a level of report.
Speaker 3: Like I asked him, like is there cameras here? Can
Speaker 3: you see me? We did a whole check like yes,
Speaker 3: there's a camera kind of seeing me where I was,
Speaker 3: where the parking spot was, And I asked him, can
Speaker 3: you find I came in at this time? I was
Speaker 3: going to leave now, so I wound that time my
Speaker 3: car probably got stolen. And he's like, oh, we're going
Speaker 3: to find that out for you. He was like, procedures,
Speaker 3: this procedures are you was telling me, I can't see
Speaker 3: the footage, but if the cop comes, don't give it
Speaker 3: to them, no problem.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you see the footage.
Speaker 3: No, they don't let you see it. So I called
Speaker 3: the cops after that, which actually I call their offices
Speaker 3: and they're like, you have to call on one like really,
Speaker 3: like okay, So I did and a cop came out
Speaker 3: with twenty minutes later. I explained them on the phone
Speaker 3: what it was, and they came. The guy came and
Speaker 3: his first question clude me as to what happened, which is,
Speaker 3: what are you sure you parked on this level?
Speaker 1: No, dude, no security cops the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Wrong level, wrong level. Well, he had attle cop like
Speaker 3: driving around like a you know, a regular trooper guy
Speaker 3: driving around the other levels looking for it. And it
Speaker 3: was an exact spot that I thought my car was
Speaker 3: just one level up.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, how embarrassing it?
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I was so I wasn't like embarrassed like that.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like, what a waste of
Speaker 3: time for them. I felt so bad. I offered the
Speaker 3: guy Starbucks, as you know, there's stores in there, like
Speaker 3: you want something. I'm so sorry for making direct like
Speaker 3: do that happen? So that's fine as long as you
Speaker 3: found it. And we were talking about it, like why
Speaker 3: would someone steal your car? I'm like, I know, it's
Speaker 3: a piece of ship. That's what I said, Like that's
Speaker 3: what I thought I thought my car was fool proof
Speaker 3: because it's such a piece of shit it's not worth stealing.
Speaker 3: And it's been and and they're like, I got no
Speaker 3: hits because apparently in these days you get hits based
Speaker 3: on your VN throughout the roads that I didn't know
Speaker 3: about systems in place for this kind of thing, and
Speaker 3: they haven't had any hits, you know, in the last
Speaker 3: two hours or whatever. And I was so you know,
Speaker 3: it was very humiliating. But I didn't forget.
Speaker 1: Once I got bad and he was keeping cool, I
Speaker 1: would have been all.
Speaker 3: Right, I forgot. I also had called my brother to
Speaker 3: see if you could pick me up, and he was
Speaker 3: more than halfway before I found my car. That's a
Speaker 3: real blonde moment. Yes, it's a blonde I did tell myself.
Speaker 1: That, could you say that anymore? I don't know if
Speaker 1: you could.
Speaker 3: Find Yeah, some people's not do that's hilarious. Yes, that
Speaker 3: happened to Megit.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad your car wasn't stolen.
Speaker 3: I was, like I told Roth, Like, dude, I am
Speaker 3: so old. I am fucking up. That's why you can't
Speaker 3: make fun of me anymore. Man, Oh, yes I can,
Speaker 3: because I've never done that because you're much worse. You know,
Speaker 3: we can get out of house.
Speaker 1: Bit I hate the house.
Speaker 3: I know there's people out there. Yeah, do I want
Speaker 3: to leave the house for So that's what happened to me.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny you brought that up because I
Speaker 1: have a story like that as well. That happened last weekend.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen to me personally, but it happened to
Speaker 1: my lovely daughter. So she telling is sixteen. Now we
Speaker 1: got her car. That's very nice car. So she's out
Speaker 1: there driving, man and I have It's great because I
Speaker 1: have zero worry for her. She's a fantastic driver. She's alert,
Speaker 1: she's smart, she understands the rules of the road. She's
Speaker 1: not an idiot. I worry about everybody else because everyone
Speaker 1: else is in for sure, so I never really worry
Speaker 1: about her driving. So the point is she's venturing out
Speaker 1: far now, like just shy of a month ago. She
Speaker 1: went to a place called the Wisconsin Dell's. It's way
Speaker 1: up there in Wisconsin. It's kind of this real famous
Speaker 1: cool it's a fun play tourist town. Uh, kind of
Speaker 1: the woods, the north I don't think you'd consider it
Speaker 1: north Woods yet, but it's up there. It's up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she drove there and that was a couple hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, last weekend she and you know, she does these things.
Speaker 3: You know, most young people are a faid to go
Speaker 3: on the highway. It's great that she's.
Speaker 1: Jumped right on. But we also had her driving on
Speaker 1: the highway when she was gone in a permit preparation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we started her driving at like thirteen, to
Speaker 1: be honest, getting behind the wheel. And yeah, so last weekend,
Speaker 1: she doesn't ask, just tells you, oh hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: I hate when she does that too, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is. She like, me and my boyfriend were
Speaker 1: going to uh, we're gonna go to Chinatown, right Yeah, yeah, Chinatown, Chicago. U.
Speaker 1: And I'm from just right over there, right around the
Speaker 1: corner and.
Speaker 3: Yeah you were, you lived too far from yep.
Speaker 1: And I know that it's not a nice area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's just not and especially for a young.
Speaker 3: I used to go there to buy butterfly knives and nunchucks.
Speaker 3: Me too, dude, butterfly and then let me buy it. Yeah, bro,
Speaker 3: like they don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: Yep. No, China Town is great, but for a young
Speaker 1: sixteen year old girl. I wasn't too, but we let
Speaker 1: her go. Katie's like, it's gonna be fine, okay, and
Speaker 1: thankfully she was safe. Everything worked out fine. However, before
Speaker 1: she went, I said, don't be stupid, don't park your
Speaker 1: car in places you're not read signs. Look around. Yeah, Dad,
Speaker 1: I know, all right, motherfucker you know. Yeah, they're two
Speaker 1: hours later.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Mom. She didn't call me.
Speaker 3: Oh well, no, no, she called Katie. She knows what
Speaker 3: she would say.
Speaker 1: My car got towed.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, not stolen though luckily not stolen.
Speaker 1: Thankful. Yeah, her car got Literally what I told her
Speaker 1: was gonna happen happened. I saw the future, the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: So but much like you, yea, she kept calm.
Speaker 3: Oh good.
Speaker 1: She found out what happened. That it wasn't stolen, She
Speaker 1: found out where it was taken. She took an uber
Speaker 1: to go get there. She had the money, transferred money
Speaker 1: between accounts, was able to get her car. But of course,
Speaker 1: you know, when you get towed from Chinatown, they're not
Speaker 1: taking it to uh fucking Park Ridge.
Speaker 3: You know where all the riches, I don't know where
Speaker 3: they take them. Never close they're.
Speaker 1: Taking it to the goddamn hood, like yea, not a
Speaker 1: nice place where these you know, city impound lots are.
Speaker 1: So she had to go there and get her car.
Speaker 1: And she's when she finally told me later that night
Speaker 1: at a at a dinner we went to, she told me,
Speaker 1: She's like, I learned a lesson. The first time I've
Speaker 1: ever heard her say that. By the way, I've learned
Speaker 1: a lesson.
Speaker 3: One of the very few times if ever you'll hear
Speaker 3: that again.
Speaker 1: That's right. But uh, but I was proud of her,
Speaker 1: you know, she kept it cool, she got it handled.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of her also, and you know, like the
Speaker 3: same way I was part of myself when not freaking
Speaker 3: out because you never know, Yeah, now you never know.
Speaker 3: It's not you know, I just don't know sometimes about situations.
Speaker 3: And I've been in situations before, but I guess it's
Speaker 3: been a while. And then just refresher was nice.
Speaker 1: A little refresher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty calm at this thing. So I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: that sucks the car got stolen, And then I was
Speaker 3: so happy when it wasn't because my sorry, I got
Speaker 3: excited there when I realized that that my car was
Speaker 3: possitively stolen. My first thought was I left my vape
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was your first thought, not that.
Speaker 3: The car was stolen. I don't I could care more
Speaker 3: about the vape. But I told that to Roth. I
Speaker 3: was like, when I was asking him for a ride,
Speaker 3: I was like, do the worst part of it is
Speaker 3: that the vape is in there. He's like, are you
Speaker 3: sure that's the worst part. I'm like, yes, it is
Speaker 3: the worst part because I need that now, absolutely, And
Speaker 3: and I was so happy when it was out there
Speaker 3: because they got there my.
Speaker 1: Vape, the sun shines, everything's fine. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that was my little, fun, funny, little parent story.
Speaker 1: I guess for the last week.
Speaker 3: Two correlated stories.
Speaker 1: Two correlated stories. And I mean think about normal sixteen
Speaker 1: year old girls would have probably fell apart.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a lot of people would have.
Speaker 1: Exactly this guy.
Speaker 3: I imagine my aunt. I'm not gonna mention names that
Speaker 3: she listens. You totally freak out. Yeah, well, totally freak
Speaker 3: the funk out right. I would, yeah, I would freak out,
Speaker 3: you know, but not my kid.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: She kept it fucking cool. She was cold, man, She
Speaker 1: got it done, proud of her for that, that's great,
Speaker 1: but now I can't wait for her to move out.
Speaker 1: So uh, tonight we have a part too in our
Speaker 1: exorcism series Exorcism Exorcism. Nice Jeric.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm glad you're trying, bro.
Speaker 1: That was so funny. So yeah, listeners, and this is
Speaker 1: releasing an All Saints Day. Correct, We're gonna need the
Speaker 1: power of all the Saints to help these poor souls
Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about this evening.
Speaker 3: That's true, osk Her.
Speaker 1: Can we take a break, let's do it. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show. Well, the lights are turned down low,
Speaker 1: the ceremonial candle is lit, and the drinks are about
Speaker 1: to start flowing. Let's start this show. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we love to drink as we're podcasting, and we haven't
Speaker 1: poorn any whiskey yet.
Speaker 3: We haven't porn.
Speaker 1: I kind of caught that when I said it, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna guide over it. But I'm glad you.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Glad you called me on it. Yes, you haven't poured
Speaker 1: any yet.
Speaker 3: I'm not here to keep you steadying. A slip, the
Speaker 3: Fortian slip, Freudian slip, the porn porn right now.
Speaker 1: So what I did? I got three bottles from my
Speaker 1: collection I have almost I was telling you off the mic,
Speaker 1: I have almost I think one hundred and twenty bottles
Speaker 1: now of urban and whiskey. So I picked three bottles
Speaker 1: and I have not opened yet, and I wanted you
Speaker 1: to choose yes, right, And so what do we have?
Speaker 1: The first one we have here is a writtenhouse Rye
Speaker 1: bottled in bond, so it's a hundred proof. I picked
Speaker 1: this right up from the heaven Hill Distillery. I have
Speaker 1: the Elijah Craig toasted barrel ninety four proof. This as
Speaker 1: well was picked up from the distillery from heaven Hill.
Speaker 1: Then we have a very old Saint Nick ancient cask,
Speaker 1: and by ancient, it's eight years old.
Speaker 3: It's two presidential terms, it's.
Speaker 1: Eight years old. And this is only eighty six point
Speaker 1: eight proof. So the only hunter proof we have is
Speaker 1: that bottled in bond, that bib bottle oscar. Which one
Speaker 1: would you like to open so we could get this
Speaker 1: fucking show going?
Speaker 3: So I want something new, and it should be said,
Speaker 3: these are all new to me technically, but I've had
Speaker 3: Elijah Krack stuff. I've had the other one.
Speaker 1: Good written house ry.
Speaker 3: Uh well, you said you.
Speaker 1: Weren't a Rye fan.
Speaker 3: No, right, sorry, that's what I meant. I'm not a
Speaker 3: big Rye guy. So that already made a third place
Speaker 3: for me. So let's go with the Saint Nick that
Speaker 3: claims to be as old as the years.
Speaker 1: A very old and it's ancient cask.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They throw a lot of old old words.
Speaker 1: On there, a lot nineteen Yeah, and the.
Speaker 3: Bottle makes it look like the.
Speaker 1: Bottle is very cool. The label is very cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, so we're gonna go. It has a nice
Speaker 1: kind of a wax cap here with a pull on
Speaker 1: the air. I'm not gonna be able to get this.
Speaker 3: That's funny. You ask me to open the pickle jar.
Speaker 1: Huh oh, there we go. Oh goo, that was satisfying.
Speaker 3: It looks satisfying.
Speaker 1: Wax all over my iPad. There we go.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not.
Speaker 1: Put this here, and let's get that first bottle top pop.
Speaker 3: Bottle top pop.
Speaker 1: Broke.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, describe what happened, dude.
Speaker 1: The cap came off the cork. I can't get this
Speaker 1: fucking cork cop Oh it's bitch, dude, positive recording. Wait, wait, okay, wait.
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna positive anyway.
Speaker 1: Gott fucking pop a vessel, dude.
Speaker 3: I'm satisfying sound though, Yeah, oh yeah, you got it open, folks.
Speaker 3: That was really funny. He's laughing and he's having a
Speaker 3: fun time here.
Speaker 1: I'll sweating like I broke a sweat on that one. Pepper.
Speaker 1: Are like, just start the we want to hear about
Speaker 1: the possessed people, all right. I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure we don't get any whiskey or any wax in
Speaker 1: the whiskey. You go first, thank you, there you go,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: Oh even smells old.
Speaker 1: Let's see, cheers, cheers. Think let me see with this.
Speaker 1: See now, I don't have so one of my one
Speaker 1: of my good friends, uh oh, Randy Tucker, he's been
Speaker 1: on the show before. He had somewhere out there radio
Speaker 1: dot com. He doesn't do that anymore, but he started
Speaker 1: his own YouTube channel. It's called Bourbonbroke dot Com. Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, I'm wearing a Bourbon Broke sweatshirt right now.
Speaker 1: So he does whiskey reviews now and Bourbon reviews. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: He does a fucking great job, good production. One of
Speaker 1: the coolest bars I've seen and in YouTube YouTube bourbon
Speaker 1: review things that he's got the best bar I think
Speaker 1: I've seen out there. So anyway, go check him out
Speaker 1: bourbon broke dot com or bourbon broke on YouTube. He
Speaker 1: has a really refined palate. He could pick out all
Speaker 1: these amazing different flavors that come in whiskeys and bourbons. Me,
Speaker 1: I just don't have it for me. It's either it
Speaker 1: burns or it burns less.
Speaker 3: Burns good or burns bad for me. I'm very similar
Speaker 3: to you. I'm like Thomas hidden church in side in sideways.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it tastes pretty good for me to literally
Speaker 3: every rhyne.
Speaker 1: No, this is good, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Like it, like it, Yeah, yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1: Of course we could also let it sit there out
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: You're right, we could, but I like it. I mean
Speaker 3: it's very drinkable. It's like, you know what, I'm not
Speaker 3: your friend. I don't know how to describe this. I
Speaker 3: don't know how to discribe something at the end there, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what.
Speaker 1: It is a little longer finished.
Speaker 3: Almost like it wants to be a licorice, but isn't
Speaker 3: bad like liquorice.
Speaker 1: I've gotten licorice before on whiskeys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm saying that's how I'm feeling a little
Speaker 3: bit atan.
Speaker 1: I have a bottle of willet upstairs that I get
Speaker 1: kind of licorice flavor. It's very good. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: drinkable again, It's only it's not even what eighty it's
Speaker 1: only eighty six proof eighty six point eight. So this
Speaker 1: is this goes down really easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which can't be a danger.
Speaker 1: Okay, there there we go. All right, all right, so
Speaker 1: now the drinks are flowing. Let's start this show now, listeners,
Speaker 1: this is a part two. I've mentioned that, so if
Speaker 1: if you haven't done so already, please go back and
Speaker 1: listen to our first exorcism episode, episode one fifty seven. Now,
Speaker 1: we covered a lot in the previous episode, stuff that
Speaker 1: really laid out the groundwork for what we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about tonight. But kind of just to quickly recap
Speaker 1: episode one fifty seven, we talked about kind of the
Speaker 1: nuts and bolts of exorcism, like the history of exorcism
Speaker 1: in an ancient document called the Roman ritual. And actually,
Speaker 1: if you remember, there were two Roman rituals, right, the
Speaker 1: ordinary form and the extraordinary form, with the extraordinary Roman
Speaker 1: Ritual being the more ancient of the two, and we
Speaker 1: said that the right of exorcism is part of the
Speaker 1: Roman ritual. It's found in both forms. Of course, we
Speaker 1: talked about the right of exorcism itself, what it entails,
Speaker 1: and all the rules and exorcists should follow must follow
Speaker 1: when conducting an exorcism. We outline the signs an exorcists
Speaker 1: looks for when attempting to validate a case of demonic possession.
Speaker 1: And we talked about the different stages of possession, that's infestation, oppression, obsession,
Speaker 1: and finally possession. And we even read a few verses
Speaker 1: of exorcistic prayers straight from the Right of exorcism from
Speaker 1: both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Roman rituals. And we tossed
Speaker 1: in a few extra goodies as well, treats for the
Speaker 1: Halloween season. Now I got applause, Oscar. I keep seeing
Speaker 1: you kind of looking over your shoulder. Huh, is something
Speaker 1: going on over there? No, we had something go on
Speaker 1: last No.
Speaker 3: Not this time, show, okay, not this time something It
Speaker 3: was just like your little figurines that was like to
Speaker 3: look at Okay, you're Clyde Barker figurines. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, Okay, Like I said, we did have
Speaker 1: something weird happened in the last episode. Listeners go back
Speaker 1: and check that out. So in this episode, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about cases of actual, validated demonic possession that
Speaker 1: could not be cured by the afflicted's local exorcist. These
Speaker 1: cases of possession were apparently so severe that the demon
Speaker 1: possessed individual had to be brought to the pope himself
Speaker 1: to be cured, and in some cases even the Pope
Speaker 1: couldn't exercise the demons. Now, pope level exorcisms do exist.
Speaker 1: This is a real thing, but information is very hard
Speaker 1: to come by a pope's performing exorcisms because, as you'll
Speaker 1: hear in this episode, the Church is incredibly tight lipped
Speaker 1: when it comes to this topic. But I was able
Speaker 1: to dig up a few tasty stories. So let's get
Speaker 1: into what I did uncover about this fascinating topic, and
Speaker 1: I'll start with the current head of the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: the Bishop of Rome and the sovereign of the Vatican
Speaker 1: City State, His Holiness Pope Francis. Now Pope Francis became
Speaker 1: Pope in March twenty thirteen, and he's the Catholic Church's
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty sixth Pope. Now it's interesting is
Speaker 1: that Pope Francis's teachings on Satan are regarded as the
Speaker 1: most old school of any pope since at least Pope
Speaker 1: Paul sixth, whose papacy in the nineteen sixties and seventies
Speaker 1: fully embraced the notion of hellish forces plotting to deliver
Speaker 1: mankind unto damnation. Really, in sermons, interviews and occasionally in tweets, yes,
Speaker 1: the Pope uses Twitter or x.
Speaker 3: Well, or at least he tells someone to do it
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I doubt he's sitting around his popely toilet hopelly poopy.
Speaker 1: Is that kind of like my cinnamony Christmas.
Speaker 3: I'm happy it is talking to you. It's very poply
Speaker 3: poop he's doing so.
Speaker 1: Yes, he does use Twitter, but even on Twitter or
Speaker 1: in interviews and in sermons, he gives live. Pope Francis
Speaker 1: has declared that Satan, whom he refers to as Bezelbub,
Speaker 1: the Seducer and the Great Dragon, is a literal being
Speaker 1: devoted to deceiving and debasing us humans. The Pope was
Speaker 1: quoted as saying we should not think of the devil
Speaker 1: as a myth a representation, a symbol, a figure of speech,
Speaker 1: or even an idea, but rather as a personal being
Speaker 1: who assails us quote unquote. In twenty seventeen, Pope Francis
Speaker 1: told priests they must not hesitate to refer their parishioners
Speaker 1: to exorcists if they are experiencing quote genuine spiritual disturbances.
Speaker 1: A year later, in twenty eighteen, the BBC reported that
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty priests from fifty countries traveled to
Speaker 1: Rome for exorcist training as part of something called the
Speaker 1: International Association of Exorcists. And oh god do I want
Speaker 1: to be part of this club so bad?
Speaker 3: But you know, wow, is this why a movie like
Speaker 3: The Pope's Exorcists exists?
Speaker 1: Well, specifically the movie you mentioned that's actually based off
Speaker 1: of a real figure, Father Gabriel and morph who I
Speaker 1: go into a little bit here. Oh you do he
Speaker 1: was the Pope's he was well yeah, the popes he
Speaker 1: was the Vatican's exorcist, just like Crow. Right, that was
Speaker 1: based off of this man. So that movie in particular
Speaker 1: was based off gave her a morth But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it certainly could be. I mean this is real,
Speaker 1: this is real. So this International Association of Exorcists exists
Speaker 1: and it includes around eight hundred exorcist members around the world.
Speaker 1: So it's like this army of exorcists, man going out
Speaker 1: and battling evil. It's so cool, like the CIA of exorcisms. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the elite. So again, Pope Francis profoundly serious about the
Speaker 1: existence of the devil and demons and the need for
Speaker 1: exorcists and exorcisms. Now, as for exorcisms performed by Pope Francis,
Speaker 1: on May nineteenth, twenty thirteen, after concluding his Sunday Mass
Speaker 1: in Saint Peter's Square in Vatican City, Pope Francis went
Speaker 1: around and blessed several wheelchair bound faithful as he always
Speaker 1: does handicap people. He does this as this beautiful gesture
Speaker 1: that shows the suffering that no matter their condition, and
Speaker 1: the entire Catholic Church is with them, supports them. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. Positive. Now it's believed that during this
Speaker 1: particular papal blessing on May nineteenth, twenty thirteen, Pope Francis
Speaker 1: conducted an exorcism right there in Saint Peter's Square in
Speaker 1: front of everyone, and it was captured on video, and
Speaker 1: it made world news. You see, on this particular day,
Speaker 1: a forty three year old husband and father believed to
Speaker 1: be named Angelo or Angel, sat among the wheelchair bound
Speaker 1: faithful waiting to receive the papal blessing. You see, Angel
Speaker 1: had traveled all the way from Mexico to Rome, accompanied
Speaker 1: by Reverend Juan Rivas, because, according to Revas, Angel was
Speaker 1: possessed by four incredibly vile, stubborn demons. Now, listeners, here's
Speaker 1: where I really need you. To go to the show
Speaker 1: notes and watch this video that I left there for
Speaker 1: you so you can see what I'm about to explain.
Speaker 1: You have to see this. One of the videos is
Speaker 1: from USA Today and the other is from CNN. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, when this thing happened, it made world news. Now,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you I've watched this video countless times
Speaker 1: and something about them chills me to the bone. Now,
Speaker 1: in the video, you see Pope Francis approach Angel, who's
Speaker 1: sitting slumped in a wheelchair, and you can watch what
Speaker 1: happens when the Pope lays his left hand on Angel's
Speaker 1: head and briefly holds Angel's hand with his right. Then
Speaker 1: it looks like the Pope says some words over Angel.
Speaker 1: You can't hear what he says, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: Pope Francis releases Angel's hand and proceeds to lay both
Speaker 1: his hands on Angel's head. And if you pause, if
Speaker 1: you pause the video, when the Pope lays both his
Speaker 1: hands on Angel's head, you can see the focus on
Speaker 1: Pope Francis's face. The Pope utters some more words, and
Speaker 1: that's when Angel sits upright right in his wheelchair, erect
Speaker 1: straight like a board. His mouth opens really wide, and
Speaker 1: he begins to breathe heavily, almost like he's convulsing or hyperventilating.
Speaker 1: Angel breathes like this, maybe a half a dozen times,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of slumps back into his wheelchair.
Speaker 1: The Pope releases Angel, and that's when the video stops.
Speaker 1: But before the video ends, and I think this is
Speaker 1: the part that focks with me the most. You could
Speaker 1: see Angel shoot Pope Francis this horrible, nasty ass look,
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's all we see.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind all this takes place in the matter
Speaker 1: of seconds while a video camera rolls and with at
Speaker 1: least six or seven people they're observing, including members of
Speaker 1: the church. It's one of the craziest, creepiest things I
Speaker 1: have ever seen. And ever since this event, there's been
Speaker 1: a hot debate whether or not our Pope Francis is
Speaker 1: an exorcist. Now, after the video of this supposed papal
Speaker 1: excerp was released, the Catholic Church was very careful about
Speaker 1: their wording when explaining what took place between the Pope
Speaker 1: and Angel I bet Now the official message from the
Speaker 1: Vatican this is a quote. Pope Francis didn't intend to
Speaker 1: perform any exorcism, but as he Austoin does for the sick,
Speaker 1: he simply intended to pray for someone who was suffering
Speaker 1: who was presented to him. End quote. However, a crew
Speaker 1: from TV two thousand, the television station for the Italian
Speaker 1: Bishop's Conference, they surveyed a number of exorcists, including the
Speaker 1: Vatican's former chief exorcist, Father Gabriela Morth, and after watching
Speaker 1: the video, all the exorcists agreed that there was no
Speaker 1: doubt that Pope Francis performed an exorcism on Angel or
Speaker 1: at least he recited a simple prayer to free the
Speaker 1: poor man from the devil. So listeners, watch the video
Speaker 1: see what you think was this an actual exorcism. Did
Speaker 1: Pope Francis battled out right then and there with the
Speaker 1: four vile demons? Or was he simply blessing a severely
Speaker 1: handicapped man that was presented to him like he always does.
Speaker 1: If you ask me the way Angel reacted sitting up
Speaker 1: Ramrod straight, opening his mouth so wide in that ugly
Speaker 1: look he gave the Pope, that was a fucking exorcism, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, sorry for the sidebard joke. But every
Speaker 3: time you said, you said it twice. Now Ramrod's trade.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking he has a heart on when he gets away,
Speaker 3: when he gets up, I think it's a rock hard on.
Speaker 3: I care you know that's that's not it's funny. It's
Speaker 3: funny image. It's funny that creeps in there.
Speaker 1: Funny guy.
Speaker 3: But you know it wasn't intentional. But there you go.
Speaker 3: You mentioned it twice. Now I'm thinking of rock Hard Dick.
Speaker 3: You know it is not this is I'm glad. I'm glad.
Speaker 3: It's not my question for you weird thing. My question
Speaker 3: to you is that compared to other people he's blessed
Speaker 3: and these kind of ceremonies, does it look exactly the
Speaker 3: same other than the guy's reaction, the way he does
Speaker 3: it is exactly the same, right.
Speaker 1: And all popes do this, well, I mean modern popes,
Speaker 1: I guess they do this, and.
Speaker 3: I definitely don't know popes at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just again, it's to show that Jesus and
Speaker 1: the Church are behind you, no matter your condition. Right,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very nice thing. And there's this
Speaker 1: particular one when little sideways and ever since it's been
Speaker 1: this heated debate on whether or not Pope Francis is
Speaker 1: an exorcist.
Speaker 3: You know, I almost feel like it's almost like it's
Speaker 3: almost like a given, uh that the you know, the
Speaker 3: number one you.
Speaker 1: I completely you would certainly think.
Speaker 3: So, obviously it makes sense that it's not. Also, right,
Speaker 3: it's like the president doesn't know how to kill people.
Speaker 3: He has a wet team for that, right, right, and
Speaker 3: the and the CIA analogy that was.
Speaker 1: Like that analogy actually right, he's got a team of
Speaker 1: people that would do that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And I'll get into this later. That apostelic line, that
Speaker 1: lineage from Pope goes all the way back to Catholics
Speaker 1: believe Christians believe to Saint Peter. So this is really
Speaker 1: like the pinnacle when it comes to holiness, right, you know,
Speaker 1: you would think just by that office he has and
Speaker 1: that supposed direct lineage to Saint Peter, that he would
Speaker 1: have this inherent ability to cast out demons.
Speaker 3: Right, it's not a power, not just the power of
Speaker 3: respect of the office, so the or the position he's holding,
Speaker 3: but also the actual lineage of power, right, right, you
Speaker 3: would think kind of like the avatar kind of yeah,
Speaker 3: the avatar of Peter, yeah, right, right, like the path
Speaker 3: lives of other folks, right kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 3: I hope now Avatar is seen differently by me.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now I'm sure you might want to know
Speaker 1: what happened to Angel, Like where is he today? Is
Speaker 1: he safe? Is he free from demons? Yeah? And as
Speaker 1: the story goes, Angel underwent several exorcisms while he was
Speaker 1: in Rome, but he wasn't able to be liberated from
Speaker 1: the demons possessing him. Now, to take a moment and
Speaker 1: think about that, because it's a frightening thought. The demons
Speaker 1: possessing Angel stood against the most powerful man in the
Speaker 1: Catholic faith, a successor to Saint Peter himself, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't be driven out, which is why I think Angel,
Speaker 1: or whatever was in Angel shot Pope Francis that nasty
Speaker 1: look as he walked away. The demons were still in there.
Speaker 1: It was the demons given the Pope that look, not Angel.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: I was able to find a November twenty twenty article
Speaker 1: from the Catholic News Agency which said that in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: so two years after this supposed papal exorcism, Angel wrote
Speaker 1: to Pope Francis, recounting his story and asking him for
Speaker 1: the Pope's prayers. In the letter, Angel asked Pope Francis
Speaker 1: to let him know the time and the day he
Speaker 1: would pray for him, so that he Angel could undergo
Speaker 1: another exorcism in Mexico with the additional power, the additional
Speaker 1: oomph of the Pope's prayers behind it mixed in the hutzpa.
Speaker 1: So in response, on April twenty seventh, twenty fifteen, Pope
Speaker 1: Francis offered his morning Mass for Angel, and he did
Speaker 1: it again on May thirteenth, twenty fifteen. Unfortunately, though, according
Speaker 1: to Angel's spiritual director back in Mexico, as of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: when that article was written, Angel was still not free
Speaker 1: of the four demons possessing him, but the director said
Speaker 1: he was doing a little better, was the quote. Now, apparently,
Speaker 1: during Angel's many exorcisms, more than one exorcist said that
Speaker 1: the demons infecting him communicated that they would not depart
Speaker 1: this poor man until abortion is legalized in Mexico. Just vile.
Speaker 3: That's never going to happen.
Speaker 1: It was also reported. Well, it was also reported that
Speaker 1: the demons said Angel Angel would be liberated on December eighth,
Speaker 1: the date of the feat of the Immaculate Conception, but
Speaker 1: they never said in what year, the assholes. So, as
Speaker 1: far as we know, Angel is still suffered to this day.
Speaker 1: And just so you know, currently abortion is not legal
Speaker 1: all across Mexico. It's only legal in Mexico City and
Speaker 1: in twelve of the country's thirty one states.
Speaker 3: That's why I took it back a yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it seems like Angels they.
Speaker 3: Also have bluer states than others. Well, it seems like
Speaker 3: if you want to boil it down like that, they
Speaker 3: don't think of it that way. Of course, you know,
Speaker 3: they don't give a shit about us like that anyway politically,
Speaker 3: but yeah, they have their Yeah, but in general, it's
Speaker 3: pretty catholic there.
Speaker 1: Well, thirteen out of thirty one, so it seems like
Speaker 1: he's he's got a long way to go if the
Speaker 1: demons are real for real, and they're not going to
Speaker 1: leave until it's legalized across Mexico all right now. Strangely,
Speaker 1: Italian newspaper has noted that the late Saint John Paul two,
Speaker 1: Pope Saint John Paul two, who were talking about next,
Speaker 1: he performed an exorcism thirty one years earlier in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty two, in almost the exact same physical spot in
Speaker 1: Saint Peter's Square, where Pope Francis may or may not
Speaker 1: have performed that exorcism on Angel, which is really kind
Speaker 1: of fucking weird.
Speaker 3: You you don't even talk about the same room, you
Speaker 3: mean the exact same.
Speaker 1: Almost exactly where he was sitting and physically.
Speaker 3: Because I was gonna say, in the same room. You know,
Speaker 3: that's a pretty big space. That makes sense that that
Speaker 3: happened before.
Speaker 1: Where on the floor where it was almost the exact
Speaker 1: same spot thirty one years in the past.
Speaker 3: Was mercury in retrogade at that time? You know, I
Speaker 3: don't be interesting to find that out.
Speaker 1: I oh, that was kind of creepy though. Now As
Speaker 1: for Pope Saint John Paul two, who was Pope from
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight to two thousand and five, just like
Speaker 1: our current Pope Francis, John Paul two was also pro exorcisms,
Speaker 1: having at one time asked every diocese across the globe
Speaker 1: to find in a point an exorcist. We kind of
Speaker 1: touched on that in the last episode. Saint John Paul
Speaker 1: two also believed that the devil is an actual person,
Speaker 1: not an abstraction, just like Polpe Francis. Now, as far
Speaker 1: as papal exorcisms, Saint John Paul two performed his first
Speaker 1: exorcism in the Vatican on March twenty seventh, nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 1: in almost the exact same spot where Pope Francis would
Speaker 1: encounter Angel thirty one years in the future, which I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but for some reason it gives me
Speaker 1: the chills every time I say it now. On that day,
Speaker 1: during his weekly audience, a local bishop from the town
Speaker 1: of Spiletto, Italy, brought a nineteen year old woman named
Speaker 1: Francesca Fabrizi to the Pope, asking for his help. Reports
Speaker 1: say that Francesca was seated in the front rows usually
Speaker 1: reserved for the disabled, just like Angel was. And apparently
Speaker 1: she became very excited and agitated as the Pope blessed
Speaker 1: the crowd of some thirty thousand faithful that were in
Speaker 1: attendance that day. So this is a huge event every
Speaker 1: time these papal blessing makes sense. That's when Francesca started
Speaker 1: yelling strange, disjointed phrases in Italian as well as streams
Speaker 1: of words and unknown languages. A Vatican official seated close
Speaker 1: to Francesca tried to calm her down by showing her
Speaker 1: a crucifix and a photo of the blessed Virgin, but
Speaker 1: that only enraged Francesca more and she hurled insults at
Speaker 1: the official, who was actually an archbishop named Giovanni Danzi.
Speaker 1: After John Paul two wrapped up his weekly sermon, he
Speaker 1: was briefed on what was happening in the crowd and
Speaker 1: he wound up spending a few minutes with Francesca, during
Speaker 1: which he blessed her, He caressed her, and he tried
Speaker 1: to calm her and bring her comfort, and apparently that worked.
Speaker 1: The woman calmed down and just like that, she was
Speaker 1: cured exercised now, mind you, just like the Church was
Speaker 1: very careful how they worded what happened with Pope Francis's
Speaker 1: exorcism of Angel, how it was intended to be an exorcism.
Speaker 1: The church's official word on what happened with John Paul
Speaker 1: two and Francesca was that it was absolutely not an exorcism, period.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I read that. Francesca she reappeared
Speaker 1: a few years after this incident along with her husband
Speaker 1: and her children, and she spent some time with Saint
Speaker 1: John Paul two, and she never showed signs of possession again.
Speaker 1: John Paul two won the Devil's zero.
Speaker 3: By two. You mean the second, right, yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, John Paul second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything I say two, I think is it the sequel?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Where's the popening maternity? Put that in? Everything? Aren't there?
Speaker 3: You actually lost me. I don't know where I was
Speaker 3: going to go somewhere. Sorry, you got knocked it out
Speaker 3: of there?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Francesco she was cured John Paul too.
Speaker 3: Oh, I wonder if the wording was different. Do you
Speaker 3: think it has to do with the times?
Speaker 1: What do you mean, oh, just period versus Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was saying some prayers, wasn't really an exorcism? He
Speaker 1: didn't really mean to do it.
Speaker 3: Also, what's I mean? I remember, I remember part one exists,
Speaker 3: so listeners, make sure you listen to that, but I
Speaker 3: don't entirely remember all the details. Does that technically qualify
Speaker 3: as an exorcism? I'm talking about the Angel incident.
Speaker 1: I think it does. Yeah, Okay, you got to see
Speaker 1: the video. It's absolutely an exorcism.
Speaker 3: Ok some shit, right, I haven't seen it. We're doing
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: Or an attempted exorcism, because according to the story, it
Speaker 1: didn't work.
Speaker 3: All right, right, right, and racism. It's only satisfied once
Speaker 3: the demons are out. Otherwise it's always attempted.
Speaker 1: That's right, because the demons got to be they got
Speaker 1: to be expelled and the body filled with Jesus in
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit, because if the body is filled with goodness,
Speaker 1: there's no room for evil to Endwell, we talked about
Speaker 1: that in the last one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's familiar. Okay, I'm back, I'm back, all right now.
Speaker 1: Another exorcism performed by John Paul. The second was much
Speaker 1: more dramatic. In the year two thousand, during another one
Speaker 1: of the Pope's weekly audiences in Saint Peter's Square, a
Speaker 1: possessed woman by the name of Sabrina was brought to
Speaker 1: the Vatican, and as soon as she entered Saint Peter's Square,
Speaker 1: she immediately began to scream, and she actually tried to
Speaker 1: lunge at the Pope like a wild animal and attack him.
Speaker 1: Reports say it took ten people to hold Sabrina down.
Speaker 1: She was drooling heavily and yelling blasphemies. And after his
Speaker 1: weekly address, John Paul the Second asked to meet with Sabrina,
Speaker 1: and witnesses say that as soon as the Pope got close,
Speaker 1: her eyes glazed over like white orbs, and she threw
Speaker 1: her head back and yelled, no, leave me alone, in
Speaker 1: a voice that was in her own. John Paul too
Speaker 1: performed an exorcism on the spot, blessing Sabrina several times. Now,
Speaker 1: most reports say that the Pope failed to completely exercise Sabrina,
Speaker 1: and instead the exorcist for the Diocese of Rome, the
Speaker 1: man we mentioned earlier, Father Gabriel, a morph. He had
Speaker 1: to perform several more exorcisms on Sabrina to completely get
Speaker 1: rid of her demons, and its stories like this where
Speaker 1: the Pope himself couldn't expel a demon that really freaked
Speaker 1: me out. You see, Catholics believe that the pope is
Speaker 1: the successor to Saint Peter the Rock we were just
Speaker 1: talking about this, whom Jesus appointed as the first head
Speaker 1: of his church. Therefore, each pope is part of what
Speaker 1: Catholics call the Apostolic succession, this unbroken line straight back
Speaker 1: to Saint Peter and his supreme authority. Therefore, the pope
Speaker 1: is supposed to be the top of the food chain
Speaker 1: in term of holiness. So if this guy can't can't
Speaker 1: get rid of a demon, what the fuck does that
Speaker 1: say about the demon? Yeah, now we have to do
Speaker 1: a quick time out here. I gotta do a little
Speaker 1: side step. I just got to mention that you can't
Speaker 1: talk about exorcisms without talking about Father Gabriel Amorth, the
Speaker 1: priest who we said had completed John Paul Two's exorcism
Speaker 1: of Sabrina, Father of More. He was a priest for
Speaker 1: like sixty years, and he was the Attican's chief exorcist,
Speaker 1: said to have performed hundreds, if not literally thousands barely exorcisms,
Speaker 1: and he's the one that founded the International Association of Exorcists,
Speaker 1: that club. I mentioned earlier that I want to belong to. Yeah, ye,
Speaker 1: the CIA, the CIA for the Pope. Yeah. Now, in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, William Friedkin, who we all know from the
Speaker 1: Exorcist movie, made a really good documentary about Father of
Speaker 1: Morth called The Devil and Father of Morth. And just
Speaker 1: last year the movie Oscar the Pope's Exorcist came out
Speaker 1: featuring Russell Crowe's Father of Morth.
Speaker 3: That was a fun movie.
Speaker 1: It was fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dumb.
Speaker 1: But now I'm really kind of hoping Hollywood uses Father
Speaker 1: of Morth's cases and creates movies around them like they
Speaker 1: did with the Warrens and the Conjuring movies. I think
Speaker 1: that would be fucking awesome. But sadly, Father of More
Speaker 1: passed away in September of twenty sixteen. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: this guy's life was so interesting. We got to set
Speaker 1: time aside to do an episode or two.
Speaker 3: On him, and sounds like there's a lot a lot
Speaker 3: of material stories on him, not to mention the the
Speaker 3: amount of stuff we don't know right.
Speaker 1: That would be a great episode or two. And we
Speaker 1: listeners had to take a quick break. We're not playing
Speaker 1: any music or anything, so we're coming back. But during
Speaker 1: this quick little break we took Oscar watched that video
Speaker 1: of Paul Francis and Angel, and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: get his thoughts on it real quick before I continue
Speaker 1: with So, Benedict the sixteenth, this is the next Pope
Speaker 1: we're talking about.
Speaker 3: So, first of all, your description was it was good?
Speaker 3: I mean I basically said exactly what you what you
Speaker 3: described Two things. One and I'm only mentioned because I'm
Speaker 3: an idiot. I wasn't listening completely clearly. But for some reason,
Speaker 3: imagine that he actually the guy Angel stood up and
Speaker 3: you just meant like he kind of like set up
Speaker 3: for some reason. I imagine him getting up. No, I
Speaker 3: was like, that makes no sense, a miracle, that makes
Speaker 3: no sense, But it be a miracle, rightything else, So
Speaker 3: there's one just in case other listeners thought the same
Speaker 3: thing I did.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Secondly, and this is something that you didn't say that
Speaker 3: I kind of like, I was like, hmmm, is at
Speaker 3: for a second there in the middle of that very
Speaker 3: short clip of him touching of Pope touching Angel, he's
Speaker 3: this is before he gives that face that look like
Speaker 3: what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 3: He the Angel looked older and then he became younger again.
Speaker 1: That's to me.
Speaker 3: That's like, that's how it looked like when he was
Speaker 3: like when he had his mouth open, like for a second,
Speaker 3: he looked I thought he was older. I almost said
Speaker 3: it a lot while I was watching the video, like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's an older guy. He's not gonna make it out
Speaker 3: very long. And then you know, the Pope's hands retreated.
Speaker 3: I asked his full face more and like, oh no,
Speaker 3: he's not. He's like not my age, but he's younger.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh wow, and in my head like,
Speaker 3: oh I thought he was older first se.
Speaker 1: So do you so after seeing that now, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go back and look and see if
Speaker 1: it's you.
Speaker 3: Know, this is just my first reaction to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah's a face change. Do you think that's the demon
Speaker 1: coming through?
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know. I mean the idea of
Speaker 3: that kind of toll. You know, you think of an
Speaker 3: immense amount of stress on somebody. You you've seen cases,
Speaker 3: We've seen cases. I think I've been a victim of
Speaker 3: this case where you get a gray hair or something, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: oh God forbid a whole streak or a whole head
Speaker 3: of hair. It depends on what happens. I famously think
Speaker 3: of twin peaks, Laura Palmer's dad goes through his Great
Speaker 3: Streak phase because of the Laura Palmer's murder. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like that kind of amount of stress could
Speaker 3: fucking age you, you know things. Attribute this to like
Speaker 3: a presidential term. Also like Obama when he went in
Speaker 3: he looked a lot younger. When a lot younger, he did,
Speaker 3: not just age eight years, aged eighty years. That's how
Speaker 3: I felt, That's how it seemed to me. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like I saw the demon, more like I saw the
Speaker 3: effects of the demon more pronounced, because I was so
Speaker 3: surprised when I saw a clearer picture of Angel that
Speaker 3: he was younger than I had thought originally.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listeners, see what you think? What do
Speaker 1: you see in that video? Let us know? Yeah, contact
Speaker 1: at chicag Ghost podcast dot com. Anything else on that video?
Speaker 1: No freaky though, yeah, fucking weird. This shit's real, man.
Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent a believer. This shit is real.
Speaker 1: Don't fuck with weigi boards, don't fuck with crystals and
Speaker 1: all that nonsense. Just read the Bible and do good shit.
Speaker 3: You could fuck with chryslers though.
Speaker 1: Oh Yeah. The Chrysler. Yeah, the La Baron. What a
Speaker 1: piece of shit.
Speaker 3: What a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: Everyone had him in the nineties though, the convertible Chrysler Baron.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, let's talk about Pope Benedict the sixteenth, the Catholic
Speaker 1: pulpe from two thousand and five to twenty and thirteen.
Speaker 1: In May of two thousand and nine, our demon fighter
Speaker 1: friend Father and Morp brought two men to Saint Peter's
Speaker 1: Square during one of Pump Benedict the sixteenth weekly audiences. Now,
Speaker 1: the two men named Giovanni and Marco, began to tremble
Speaker 1: and chatter their teeth as the Pope approached in his popemobile. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's a popemobile. Look it up. It's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's the real thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when Pope Benedict exited his popemobile, both of these
Speaker 1: men flung themselves on the ground and they began to
Speaker 1: howl and bang their heads on the concrete. From a distance,
Speaker 1: Benedict the sixteenth raised his arms and blessed the two men.
Speaker 1: Father of Morth says that at that point, Giovanni and
Speaker 1: Marco were thrown ten feet backwards and they began to
Speaker 1: sob and cry hysterically because they were finally rid of
Speaker 1: their demons.
Speaker 3: We're maybe five meters.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I can't do the conversion. I have no clue. Clue,
Speaker 1: And now, listeners, I'm sorry, but as I told you
Speaker 1: guys this in the beginning, stories about popes performing exorcisms
Speaker 1: are credibly hard to come by, So I'm going to
Speaker 1: finish the episode with two more stories. The first story
Speaker 1: is from World War TWI. Now. In September of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: an Italian journalist named Fabio Ragona published a book entitled
Speaker 1: Il miome is Setana, My Name is Satan. In his book,
Speaker 1: which is based on actual archived Vatican documents that include
Speaker 1: sworn testimonies from people within the Vatican, Rogona reveals that
Speaker 1: during World War II the wartime Pope Pope Pious to twelfth,
Speaker 1: who was Pope from March nineteen thirty nine until his
Speaker 1: death in October nineteen fifty eight, Pope Pious to twelfth
Speaker 1: sincerely believed that Adolf Hitler and the entire Nazi Party
Speaker 1: were under the influence of demons, that there was no
Speaker 1: other way to explain why Hitler was committing the atrocities
Speaker 1: that he was other than he was possessed. To try
Speaker 1: and stop the diabotical things Hitler was doing, Pope Pious
Speaker 1: to twelve performed multiple exorcisms on to Fure. The Pope
Speaker 1: performed the exorcisms from a distance from a private chapel
Speaker 1: inside the Vatican. He hoped that by doing this he
Speaker 1: could help free Hitler from the influences of the evil
Speaker 1: spirits inhabiting him and putting an end to the Nazis.
Speaker 1: And from this I really can't say if Pious to
Speaker 1: twelve's remote exorcisms really worked or not. Unfortunately, there's not
Speaker 1: a date associated with the story, so you can't really
Speaker 1: pinpoint win during World War Two this supposedly happened. Did
Speaker 1: they take place in the days leading up to April thirtieth,
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, the day Hitler committed suicide and thus
Speaker 1: ending to Third Reich. If so, then I'd argue that
Speaker 1: the remote exorcisms could have worked. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: if the exorcisms took place when Hitler first started marauding
Speaker 1: across Europe, slaughtering people by the millions, then I'd have
Speaker 1: to say, no, the exorcisms didn't work. Hard to tell
Speaker 1: him this one great story. Nonetheless, that is nuts.
Speaker 3: I mean that also could be a very interesting movie
Speaker 3: or story to tell, like fantasize it a little bit.
Speaker 3: I have, you have to fictionalize the ship out of that.
Speaker 3: But that's like you could do. You know, remember the
Speaker 3: movie about Valkyrie Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise, It's a basic
Speaker 3: on a real story about one of his kernels or
Speaker 3: something went against Hilary and plotted and assassination. Obviously they failed,
Speaker 3: but it was a real thing, real tempt they got.
Speaker 3: They got squashed, of course, and I got murdered. But uh,
Speaker 3: it's like you could you could feel like that, like
Speaker 3: you know, like the magic version Magic and Magic it
Speaker 3: tries to whatever take down to the religious faith. But
Speaker 3: what I mean is that you take the supernatural element
Speaker 3: version of that, right, the religious version of that, but
Speaker 3: with the rockery setting. That could be fun. That could
Speaker 3: be a fun movie because you know it's been throughout
Speaker 3: the ages. Not's either the fear you know, the Third
Speaker 3: Reich have been demonized Capital D and also but no,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying like literally demon like they're there. They
Speaker 3: are demons. They you know, they they've been seeing in
Speaker 3: cartoons this way, They've been shown in movies and books
Speaker 3: as this way or that you think of the Nazi
Speaker 3: werewolf thing era horror movies like, it's not and it's
Speaker 3: not a crazy leap. That's sometimes that could be a
Speaker 3: fun saying there's no real thing for me. I don't
Speaker 3: have a real insight because we don't know enough that
Speaker 3: they would be massively, massively appreciated, because you can imagine,
Speaker 3: like if we knew the date, what kind of speeches
Speaker 3: were around that era, if you if you could see
Speaker 3: a falter or skip and also if I were were
Speaker 3: either pope, I would have added goring and goobals to
Speaker 3: that list, not just a feuror because it wasn't just
Speaker 3: him really.
Speaker 1: Right, but you're right, yeah, yeah, I just I know
Speaker 1: it's a little vague. Yeah, it's a great story. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now my last story isn't about an exorcism on a person.
Speaker 1: It's an exorcism on an idea. This one concerns Pope
Speaker 1: Pious to twelfth and has talked about in Ragona's book
Speaker 1: ilmilnome Satana my name is Satan. So this is another
Speaker 1: story from that book that well researched supposedly inside information
Speaker 1: book right now, in the book Ragona talks about how
Speaker 1: on May nineteen. In May nineteen fifty eight, on the
Speaker 1: eve of the very important Italian general election, Pope Pious
Speaker 1: to twelfth performed multiple remote exorcisms to try and ward
Speaker 1: off demonic influence from affecting the outcome of the election,
Speaker 1: as there was a very real possibility that the notoriously
Speaker 1: anti Catholic Italian Communist Party could win the election against
Speaker 1: the Christian Democrats, with a man named Palmiro Togliati representing
Speaker 1: the Communist Party and Amatoi Fanfani representing the Christian Democracy Party. Now,
Speaker 1: in this instance, it seemed Pope Pious to Twelfth's remote
Speaker 1: exorcisms worked as the Christian Democrat that's one that critical
Speaker 1: election twenty three point three two million votes between the
Speaker 1: upper and lower houses compared to the Communists twelve point
Speaker 1: four million votes, literally almost half the votes. Wow, So
Speaker 1: I would say this remote exorcism worked.
Speaker 3: That's that's funny. I mean, can you I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't even know on an idea seems a little like
Speaker 3: using a shotgun to kill a bee kind of thing,
Speaker 3: like overkill. Okay, maybe might wrong, and like you're trying
Speaker 3: to sounds that could be dire consequences, right, hoving to
Speaker 3: kill an idea. I mean, you see, you've as seen
Speaker 3: inception come on, you know, supplanting or taking out an idea.
Speaker 3: It's very dangerous work. And you don't know how it's
Speaker 3: going to happen or how it's going to fruit negatively afterwards. True,
Speaker 3: kind of like the butterfly effect, how it's.
Speaker 1: Going to fruit negatively afterwards.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm not saying I believe that this works,
Speaker 3: but they do so to think that, to think that
Speaker 3: they would be I mean, I know it's a different time,
Speaker 3: people think differently. I get it. Communism was much more
Speaker 3: of a real threat things like that. I get it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't get it at than lit those times,
Speaker 3: but I get it. So I don't know how Dyer
Speaker 3: it felt. But still it seems like I would have
Speaker 3: rethought this first personally, not because I'm pro communism, but
Speaker 3: definitely I'm circle of cripitalism. But like in general, I'm saying,
Speaker 3: in general, we shouldn't dismiss ideas.
Speaker 1: Got it, No, I get it. Very interesting, that's cool.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 1: Here's this this this little man, this little polpe man,
Speaker 1: right in a secluded room in the Vatican, fucking Vatican,
Speaker 1: its own country, right, Yeah, secluded in the most holiest
Speaker 1: of holy buildings, and he's performing remote exorcism. That's how
Speaker 1: much he believes in this practice, this belief.
Speaker 3: This reminds me of so many other things that we've
Speaker 3: talked about on the show, Like one of them is
Speaker 3: the idea. And I mentioned this before even recently one
Speaker 3: of our previous shows from this year where I mentioned
Speaker 3: ones and I remember how the context, but that the
Speaker 3: power player is a real thing, Like.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that last episode.
Speaker 3: Was it last episode? Okay, I wasn't sure if it
Speaker 3: was that recent or if it was before, But the
Speaker 3: power Player is a real thing, and there's a there's
Speaker 3: many you mentioned that two examples of that happening where
Speaker 3: the remote prayer is a big example of the main
Speaker 3: head of the successor line from Saint Peter doing that remotely.
Speaker 3: Is that kind of thing, you know, he has the
Speaker 3: power of all that, Like it also makes you believe,
Speaker 3: not believe, take the power of belief into account for
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that kind of shape the world,
Speaker 3: like whether we know it or not, things that we
Speaker 3: can explain for people who are not religious, maybe people
Speaker 3: who still are are still being governed by things like
Speaker 3: this because so many people believe it. Like, regardless of
Speaker 3: what you feel want about it, Catholicism slash religious in
Speaker 3: general are moving the world regardless of what you ever
Speaker 3: say or thing, regardless of how logical you are, I
Speaker 3: am whatever, it's not going to change the fact that
Speaker 3: most people believe and that will always change the world, right,
Speaker 3: and that's that should not be forgotten.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Before we close out,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you what do you think of
Speaker 1: this idea where the holiest of holy people Pope can't
Speaker 1: exercise a demon, cannot expel a demon? What what what
Speaker 1: do you think of that?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a bad thing. I think there's
Speaker 3: a right person for the job, which.
Speaker 1: I wonder.
Speaker 3: I also feel like it's time based how so, like
Speaker 3: for example, like a lot of the things that people
Speaker 3: don't realize when you're when you fall in love is
Speaker 3: that time is a big factor. You need to have
Speaker 3: the right timing to fall in love with someone. Like
Speaker 3: if you're in a bad time in your life, you'll
Speaker 3: never meet the private person, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So when you stop looking kind of like that, Well,
Speaker 3: that's that's playing cheek, a little little tongue in cheek,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, it's a little true, Like you need
Speaker 3: the right time, Like you can meet the greatest person,
Speaker 3: that's for you, but if you're both married to different people,
Speaker 3: that's the wrong time, right right. Like things like that,
Speaker 3: I feel like the same can be applied to exorcisms.
Speaker 3: Maybe not just the right person necessarily, but the right time.
Speaker 3: Like whenever Angels four demons could have been taken down,
Speaker 3: either the time was before that time or after, and
Speaker 3: they missed it. They missed that window.
Speaker 1: That's what I think interesting. I was thinking, well, what
Speaker 1: if what if the Pope isn't as popely as he
Speaker 1: likes to believe?
Speaker 3: If the popeology doesn't that's hard to say.
Speaker 1: But what if what if he has doubts about his holiness?
Speaker 1: What if he has doubts about his faith?
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty human to have doubts. Can't he
Speaker 3: is the human? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Of course, although he succeeds directly from Saint Peter. So
Speaker 1: I guess see that kind of irks me.
Speaker 3: It sees me out a little bit because it kind
Speaker 3: of leaks a little bit of monarchies. Or is that
Speaker 3: the right word? One of my thinking, you know, kings
Speaker 3: and queens and shd that that you can only be
Speaker 3: the ruler of land if you're descending from the previous
Speaker 3: ruler thrones, right like any Well, we've had that kings
Speaker 3: and queens here for a long time. Sure, I mean,
Speaker 3: Game took it from Europe.
Speaker 1: So yeah, monarchy I think is correct.
Speaker 3: Monarchy right, Okay, it's just been a while as I
Speaker 3: thought of these words. So monarchy, I feel like it
Speaker 3: feels too much like that. I'm definitely against that as
Speaker 3: a ruling society. I hate that. But excuse me out
Speaker 3: a little bit, not a lot, not enough to dissuade me.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that. That's how it seems to me.
Speaker 3: Did that answer anything? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was just our thoughts on the
Speaker 1: fact that some demons can't Does that bout you know,
Speaker 1: that he couldn't do it? Kind of does? It's freaky,
Speaker 1: that's freaky. Shit.
Speaker 3: Do you think evil is more prominent? You know? And
Speaker 3: with time and the current times?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we're fucked. We're fucked. We're about to
Speaker 1: We're we're about to drink more whiskey. And record a
Speaker 1: different episode on a real sick fucker. So yeah, we're
Speaker 1: fucked evil progresses man, and it's I think. I think
Speaker 1: it's winning. I really do. And that scares me, especially
Speaker 1: having kids and stuff. That shit scares me scares me
Speaker 1: a little less beause I don't have kids. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: maybe one day.
Speaker 3: No, shut up, tight your tongue, don't do it. Bite
Speaker 3: your tongue, don't try to cut it off. All right,
Speaker 3: And with that we shore on our show listeners.
Speaker 1: I truly hope you like this little series on exorcisms.
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Speaker 1: please take us home. He's meant to be shared. Man.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the Platform Part two? Well? Probably both
Speaker 3: part one.
Speaker 1: We really like part two.
Speaker 3: I love part one. When it came out, you like
Speaker 3: part two?
Speaker 1: I couldn't get into it. Why not? I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was. I can't tell you what I didn't
Speaker 1: like about it. I just I couldn't get into it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I couldn't get into it. I'm thinking that maybe
Speaker 3: the thing that you didn't connect to was they added
Speaker 3: as religious aspect to it. Well, some people could see
Speaker 3: it that way. I didn't see it that way, but
Speaker 3: it's possible.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was that. I just I
Speaker 1: guess I could. I could have given a shit less
Speaker 1: about the characters, like I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't give a show without characters the last time either.
Speaker 3: And I still love the movie. Bro, have you seen
Speaker 3: the Substance?
Speaker 1: No, dude, you told me about it. I want to
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 3: I've seen it twice. Now, did you really so good?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: It's so funny too. I think it's also pretty funny.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you'll take it. I think you'll
Speaker 3: take it funny.
Speaker 1: I get weirded out with body horror like I did.
Speaker 1: Like it's fun, but I get really freaked out with
Speaker 1: body horror. Is it that?
Speaker 3: I mean? Look, because I'm reading, I mean you and
Speaker 3: I are prose with horror with pros. Yeah, we've seen
Speaker 3: it all. It's not gonna I mean, you've definitely never
Speaker 3: seen this body horror like this. For sure, it's new,
Speaker 3: but it's not. We've seen extreme Okay, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Okay, but it's up there. It's an extreme category.
Speaker 3: It's just that we've seen other dreams. To a lot
Speaker 3: of people, though it was bat new. This is horrifying
Speaker 3: to that. That's how people walk out of the theater
Speaker 3: at both time.
Speaker 1: So you actually saw that, So that happened.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, that's their dumb ass fall of not understanding
Speaker 3: what the hell they're walking into.
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of cool that we have something like
Speaker 1: that nowadays.
Speaker 3: Well, well that's what I've been telling people, is I
Speaker 3: guess all stickle goal, we're going to come back to
Speaker 3: this stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, in the beast seventies and eighties, it seems
Speaker 1: like that happened pretty frequently. Yeah, that's how you just
Speaker 1: have to push that envelope. Yep, and far nowadays we're
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 3: And we weren't around them in seven is in eighty
Speaker 3: As much as I make fun of you, we weren't
Speaker 3: actually around that much. So like, yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 3: In the seventies and eighties there, well, there was also
Speaker 3: a ship ton of sequels and remakes that people complained about,
Speaker 3: just like today, Like it's the same man. Also, if
Speaker 3: you just look around. There's plenty of original movies out there,
Speaker 3: that's right, the hs beyond.
Speaker 1: Yes, the one when they were in the airplane that
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 3: That was like the best one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, easily the best one.
Speaker 3: Easily the best one. You know, Katie Siegel is one
Speaker 3: of the directors.
Speaker 1: Who is Katie Siegel?
Speaker 3: Casey, if my memory strikes and double check, is the
Speaker 3: lead actress from My Married the Children. That's what I thought,
Speaker 3: tis not her. I don't think it is always a
Speaker 3: different Because.
Speaker 1: We watched another movie that had Katie's Siegel. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's cool. Waited the whole movie and
Speaker 1: peg never popped up. Really, yes, so it's somebody else
Speaker 1: that's Kate Kate Siegel. They're saying Katie Siegel or vice versas.
Speaker 3: Really, did I get it wrong? I thought it was her.
Speaker 3: I thought like, oh, maybe another actor you know, doing
Speaker 3: movies or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, no, but I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's her, do you hear me? Okay, by the way, oh.
Speaker 3: Yes I do.
Speaker 2: This is what I wanted.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, So I was both right and wrong. Kate
Speaker 3: Siegel is both an actor and but it's not that
Speaker 3: you're right Katie Siegel is the married with children girl.
Speaker 1: Katie.
Speaker 3: Kate Siegel is also an actress. She did in movies
Speaker 3: with like Hush. She was the lead actress in Hush,
Speaker 3: and she did a lot of those Netflix horror stories
Speaker 3: made by that one guy who does a little The
Speaker 3: Matter wand Haunting of Hill House.
Speaker 1: Okay, you took.
Speaker 3: Going with the gloves in that one with always wearing gloves, right,
Speaker 3: that's her. So this is her, remember I don't. So
Speaker 3: that's pretty Yeah, she's in a bunch of movies and stuffs.
Speaker 3: She loves horror. She only wants wants to do horror.
Speaker 3: And then the other person that did something is remember
Speaker 3: that for Babies, the dog one, the dog should segment. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: that was made by Justin Monk. Was it really yeah,
Speaker 3: directed by him. But she did the store away one,
Speaker 3: she did the airplane one, so that was.
Speaker 1: I think the best one.
Speaker 3: It's the best one was weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember like that.
Speaker 3: Also, I thought there was supposed to be aliens. I
Speaker 3: didn't get what the aliens said in that one, but whatever,
Speaker 3: I don't think it did. I don't think it did either.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Yeah, I thought I thought the purpose
Speaker 3: of this VHS movie was all alien stories, and that
Speaker 3: one didn't seem.
Speaker 1: Like You're right, that's right. So what was the first story? Again?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I had the page just gone.
Speaker 3: So you don't want me to go so damn paranormal?
Speaker 1: Do you want to keep it the same?
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm just asking you. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's no wrong answer to Jay. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 3: making sure.
Speaker 1: How it would sound like if we play off what
Speaker 1: she says last. Yeah, the right listeners were here.
Speaker 3: Oh I see. Also, this could be like part of
Speaker 3: the new intro from not One, like a staple that's different.
Speaker 3: Oh I see.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, I'm done with that completely down. I will
Speaker 3: say I did make a list, not I don't have
Speaker 3: to use it. I made a list of different kinds
Speaker 3: of adjectives I would use instead of so damp paranormal.
Speaker 3: I don't have to use them. I'm not tied. I'm
Speaker 3: not tied to them.
Speaker 1: You know we could we could still say it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, how can we do it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, No, it's fine. I'm also joking. I don't have
Speaker 3: a list. I have thought of a few words. But
Speaker 3: I did see this weird trilogy of movies that I
Speaker 3: don't recommend, called The Underground Something, The Underground. I think
Speaker 3: it's called The Underground Murders, The Underground Something. Three movies
Speaker 3: almost made back to back. I think I don't know
Speaker 3: how they were made. They're all like super found footage.
Speaker 3: They're all fond footage.
Speaker 1: Okay, that could be good or bad, right, I would.
Speaker 3: Say it's only good in the sense that it's very devoted,
Speaker 3: Like they go all out to make it feel as
Speaker 3: genuine as possible as a home video as you can
Speaker 3: make it. And it's about these uh, complete dick holes
Speaker 3: people who are crazy, murdering, asshole dirty people type. They're
Speaker 3: like white trash, but they murder people are based on
Speaker 3: mood and horniness. Really they can have a lot of women,
Speaker 3: and they make it look so genuine they do. They
Speaker 3: make these actors do things that you genuinely think a
Speaker 3: few times, is this real?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Which I think it's cool in its own way,
Speaker 3: like a horror thing. Like I would hate to think
Speaker 3: that I watched a horror movie and laughed at something
Speaker 3: or enjoyed it, and if it was real, that would
Speaker 3: make me feel like really bad. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 3: that to happen. And obviously it's fake, but like it
Speaker 3: looks really real, Like you questioned it, like did they
Speaker 3: make them eat that disgusting thing just for the movie?
Speaker 3: Did they make them?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: How did did choke that girl out that long? I mean,
Speaker 3: it's all made in someone's basement. This is a super
Speaker 3: low red movie. Wow, you know, like how do they
Speaker 3: make this? You know, you know, like whatever, it's pretty
Speaker 3: horrifying and in the sense I could just just brutality,
Speaker 3: but like the movie has no there's nothing going on,
Speaker 3: you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Just just brutal, brutal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so its it's a novelty at best.
Speaker 1: And what's it called?
Speaker 3: I have it in my.
Speaker 2: Right here?
Speaker 3: What am I doing?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: While you're looking that up? That reminds me of a
Speaker 1: movie I saw and I can't remember the name, but
Speaker 1: it was a documentary about a Texas town that one
Speaker 1: night someone came through and killed everybody in the town, everybody.
Speaker 3: That's sounds familiar. And what's the name of it?
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it's it was riveting
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a great podcast episode, and I
Speaker 1: looked it up and it was a mockumentary. I'm like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: Like they had me, dude, they had me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had me, and it had like this kind
Speaker 3: of remember the names, what year and nothing? Damn August
Speaker 3: on the ground August.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen that or something.
Speaker 3: They came out. The first one came out in two
Speaker 3: thousand and one, two and three, and twousand and seven.
Speaker 3: Those are the three. I can tell them to you
Speaker 3: if you want by then, I don't know, if you
Speaker 3: don't worry.
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember the name of that Texas thing.
Speaker 3: It sounds a little familiar, but not that familiar either,
Speaker 3: So I can't tell you I was.
Speaker 1: I was in, I was hooked, I was I was bemboozled.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw one like that one mocumentary that it
Speaker 3: didn't bad booles to me because I knew going in
Speaker 3: that it was a mockumentary, but it almost got me still,
Speaker 3: like it was so genuine, like so good. It was
Speaker 3: called it was one of those Lake movies, Lake Mungo Lake.
Speaker 3: I think it was Lakemungo. I might have gotten wrong,
Speaker 3: though it might be a different lake. It's a documentary
Speaker 3: about the school that goes missing, and there's like cell
Speaker 3: phone footage but like two thousand and five era cell
Speaker 3: phone or six or something, and they show that at
Speaker 3: the end, but they do anyviews with these families, with
Speaker 3: the families of the girl and let up to the disappearance.
Speaker 3: It all feels so genuinely like a documentary. They act
Speaker 3: like a family literally pulls out of nowhere. They act,
Speaker 3: they act like they don't know how to act. It's
Speaker 3: so good. Well, I might I guess, fooling me. I'm
Speaker 3: watching a movie that I know. It's a movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. That's good producing and writing and.
Speaker 3: Acting, acting, especially the father. The father does such a
Speaker 3: good job.
Speaker 1: Is there nudity in the original Halloween?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah?
Speaker 1: There is? Yeah in the original Hello the first Halloween.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want me to tell you where?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Because Katy was just asking, like, what's a good Halloween
Speaker 1: movie to start Nico with?
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean it's it's it's in the dark. It's
Speaker 3: remember the boyfriend that Michael Myers kills, like chokes him
Speaker 3: to death, the girl before he's fucking you see your tads?
Speaker 1: You do he's seen boobs before.
Speaker 3: You don't see anything else as far as my memory goes.
Speaker 3: And you see like a lot of through the blouse
Speaker 3: kind of nipples if that matters to you. Because it's
Speaker 3: the seventies, you know, they don't have no bras you know,
Speaker 3: so maybe even Jamie Leader Curtis, I'm not sure, but yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of nipple through the shirt
Speaker 3: kind of action. Do not show him return I Living
Speaker 3: Dead though. That girl's naked the whole movie, like Stark naked,
Speaker 3: so naked in fact that I looked her up. I'm like,
Speaker 3: was she porn?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Did she? Did they hire a porn started to do
Speaker 3: this because I couldn't believe how they made this actress.
Speaker 1: Do all this, which she just knows.
Speaker 3: No, no, not no, but she did a lot of
Speaker 3: horror in the eighties, but like, no, not a porn.
Speaker 3: I'm like, God, damn, poor girl went to the ringer
Speaker 3: on this on these sets.
Speaker 1: But I mean, he's seen he's seen Polter Guy. He's
Speaker 1: he's I don't know if he's seen anime. Though you
Speaker 1: see Jaws, he's seen that.
Speaker 3: Maybevill It was pretty tame compared No, am I wrong?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean the conjuring I have seen has he
Speaker 3: seen The Conjuring. No, that's a perfect kid, not kid,
Speaker 3: but like not violent like that right as a PG
Speaker 3: thirteen movie, But only that one. The rest kind of
Speaker 3: the rest kind of go downhill. I mean, I like
Speaker 3: The Conjuring too, but I don't love it like the
Speaker 3: first one.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've been watching a lot of movies. Maybe I could
Speaker 3: just give you a few ideas. Oh, don't watch Joker.
Speaker 1: It sucked. It's so they fucking thinking.
Speaker 3: You saw it?
Speaker 1: No, No, for just that reason. Everywhere you turn it sucks.
Speaker 1: Everyone hates it. Man, What were they thinking? Why would
Speaker 1: they do that? The First Joker was fantastic. I loved it.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 3: I've always been on the not the hate training Joker,
Speaker 3: but I definitely thought that the first Joker is it.
Speaker 3: It is a masterpiece in comparison. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a what a shame.
Speaker 3: It's because my biggest pine with the First Joker and
Speaker 3: everyone was loving it. It is like, I just like,
Speaker 3: all I see is these two Scorsese movies pushed together.
Speaker 3: And I've seen those two scorss movies. Why do I
Speaker 3: care which?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Taxi Driver and the one that literally it's about Robert
Speaker 3: de Niro trying to be Carson and goes to the
Speaker 3: Late show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Casino.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it's not no.
Speaker 1: He has his little show and Casino.
Speaker 3: Oh I see he does.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: No, this is much more.
Speaker 1: No, this is much more.
Speaker 3: He's like a stand up comedian. Like it's very much
Speaker 3: like Joker. It's exactly like the plot of Joker. Huh uh,
Speaker 3: it's gonna tell me nuts. I need to look it
Speaker 3: up now. I can't believe what I will remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, I liked it. I like the original Joker.
Speaker 1: I can't believe what they did in the second one.
Speaker 1: Why they would make that choice. It's got to be
Speaker 1: a joke. I think the real Joker is still said
Speaker 1: to come out. Yeah, well.
Speaker 3: No, it won't come out. The King of Comedy never
Speaker 3: seen it. Yeah, good, passionate yet unsuccessful comedian stalks and
Speaker 3: kidnaps his idol to take the spotlight for himself. Very
Speaker 3: similar vibes. They were the most copy of scene, exactly
Speaker 3: like it. I'm like, why do I give a shit
Speaker 3: about the Joker?
Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on that.
Speaker 3: I just didn't like.
Speaker 1: What about Megalopolis?
Speaker 3: I saw that too, dude.
Speaker 1: People are fucking now.
Speaker 3: That movie is also a masterpiece compared to The New Joker.
Speaker 3: I'll say that, and people, it's not good. No, the
Speaker 3: guy is so out of touch. When you who's Scorsese, No, Coppola.
Speaker 1: Fuck Copla.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, scores gets better?
Speaker 1: Yeah right right, Okay, were you at a theater when.
Speaker 3: They Yeah, not my theater. You have to go to
Speaker 3: an imax to see that. You're talking about the interview
Speaker 3: thing with Spike Lee. Yeah, I heard all about it,
Speaker 3: though I read so many things, Wait, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 1: It's where there's an interview scene and oh.
Speaker 3: When he comes like he talks to the people on screen,
Speaker 3: like yeah, I also didn't get that. That's also that
Speaker 3: was an imax for regular people. On the opening weekend
Speaker 3: for that movie. I think that one day was out
Speaker 3: the first day from New York. Coppola, de Niro and
Speaker 3: Spike Lee won a room together and they did like
Speaker 3: a video on call like Q and A before the movie.
Speaker 3: And it made no sense. Oh really, of course not
Speaker 3: because Spike Lee and Roberton are not even the movie.
Speaker 3: What the fuck all they do is hype up Coppola.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense, and apparently the moderator is such
Speaker 3: a terrible job moderateor like it's a terrible, one bad
Speaker 3: thing after just.
Speaker 1: One hundred million dollars, it does.
Speaker 3: It did create one of everyone's favorite line from that movie.
Speaker 3: I don't remember anymore, but something about something, yeah, something,
Speaker 3: Adam rivers. I forget that. I've heard it many times.
Speaker 3: I really forgot it though, I Smithsonian mine something. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I think it's a it's a complete disaster,
Speaker 3: but it's a wonderful, fascinating disaster, for sure. Like he
Speaker 3: goes for it, he tries, he's very hopeful, I would say,
Speaker 3: compared to Joker, Joker doesn't do Ship, doesn't try. It's
Speaker 3: like actively going against this audience. Joker too, it literally
Speaker 3: eats his audience. That's what it's about. He's like, you
Speaker 3: love the first Joker wrong, don't love a bad guy.
Speaker 3: We're gonna kill him in front of you and do
Speaker 3: nothing with him.
Speaker 1: Does a Joker die?
Speaker 3: I thought you knew that. No, Well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: It's so un ceremonious, it's so on ceremony. It's such
Speaker 3: a dumb thing you wouldn't even made it through it.
Speaker 1: So is this a Joker where he's going to come
Speaker 1: back into the clown Prince.
Speaker 3: No, they don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 3: The only fascinating part of the New Joker is Lady
Speaker 3: Gaga's version of har Harley because and in this and
Speaker 3: the New One, she has all the power, so she's
Speaker 3: the manipulator. She is the enforcer of that power couple
Speaker 3: to be. You know, when they meet, she's doing she's
Speaker 3: calling all the shots, and that was fascinating, Like I
Speaker 3: never seen that before, kind of a cool take. It's
Speaker 3: never it's never that way. But they don't do they
Speaker 3: don't do anything with it. They literally show it just
Speaker 3: to tell you that it's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: So what's the point here?
Speaker 3: It's a big fuck you? My opinion is, and the
Speaker 3: director has said it I think in an interview too,
Speaker 3: like that's how brazen he feels. He is. He's like,
Speaker 3: I spend all this money to make a movie because
Speaker 3: he hates the fans that love the first Joker. He
Speaker 3: hates people that love Joker, not the movie, the character,
Speaker 3: but like he because a lot of people, I mean
Speaker 3: not you and I maybe, but a lot of people
Speaker 3: loved kind of like idealizing the anti right, it kind
Speaker 3: of like Walter White, I guess, and and people and
Speaker 3: people were taking it to not extremes, not even a
Speaker 3: little bit, but like people were talking about that online
Speaker 3: like that, and and that's what he hated.
Speaker 1: And so he basically made a Joker sequel where he
Speaker 1: belittle Joker, ecd emasculated Joker with Harley Quinn and other
Speaker 1: end of court thing, made all the setup and build
Speaker 1: up to literally end with nothing and do nothing with
Speaker 1: it and have no connections to nothing about DC A Joker,
Speaker 1: not that that matter doesn't explain shit.
Speaker 3: It's doesn't. It's literally a fuck you to the fans.
Speaker 3: The whole movie feels and it is a fuck you
Speaker 3: to the fans. Wow, one hundred percent. It's the most
Speaker 3: anti personal personal movie I've ever seen that spends that much,
Speaker 3: because it spend like two hundred million dollars to make it,
Speaker 3: and like it's ridiculous, what a waste of money. It
Speaker 3: made no money, thankfully. Oh, I hope, I hope he
Speaker 3: goes to the directors Jai because I never liked that
Speaker 3: director of fuck Come.
Speaker 1: So I thought so obviously the first one, Yes, Top Phillips,
Speaker 1: he did the first one too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he he made a sequel to his own movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the Hangover movies. I knew that was
Speaker 3: his first time. Yeah, that was when it got I
Speaker 3: think so. I think so, at least the first one.
Speaker 1: They're funny.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember there being funny. I couldn't tell
Speaker 3: you anything that happened to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike Tyson, but sure, I love Mike Tyson.
Speaker 3: I remember caneong right is not yes from the community.
Speaker 1: Wow, Because my question was gonna be more the like
Speaker 1: a new director doing this. Don't they have to stay
Speaker 1: within some sort of parameters or something like contracts.
Speaker 3: It doesn't give a ship. The same guy does not
Speaker 3: give a ship. Literally, Okay, I can explain to you
Speaker 3: what a fuck you felt at the end. So at
Speaker 3: the end, he's in prison. He does not go to
Speaker 3: our jail, and uh, he starts off in Arkham. I
Speaker 3: think he is still in Arkham by the end. Yeah, Arkham.
Speaker 1: Yes, any cameos.
Speaker 3: We see Harvey Dent. That's it. He's a prosecutor against him.
Speaker 1: And who gives a shit about Harvey Dents.
Speaker 3: They don't do anything with him. I'll tell you that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, but that's it anyway, he gets uh. This
Speaker 3: is after Harlequin Dumptam his escape attempt failed. He doesn't
Speaker 3: give a shit about anything. He told the truth, meaning
Speaker 3: like there is no joke or it's only been Arthur
Speaker 3: Fleck whatever his real name is, and he's like whatever,
Speaker 3: it's all depressing and weird and doesn't go anywhere. He
Speaker 3: gets the guards like, we got a visitor for you.
Speaker 3: He goes out to walk there and one of the
Speaker 3: other prisoners confronts him and stab shanks him to death
Speaker 3: because he was one of his big support Big girl
Speaker 3: and same there. So he was one of his big supporters.
Speaker 3: And when he confess the tooth on my Core TV
Speaker 3: that there was no joker and all this, he's like,
Speaker 3: we got Budther hurt about it, got offended. So he
Speaker 3: shanked him on this hallway on his way to see
Speaker 3: a visitor that we never see.
Speaker 1: We don't know who came to see him, not even been.
Speaker 3: That's the fuck you among many fuck you's in that movie,
Speaker 3: and that's how it acts.
Speaker 1: What the fuck man?
Speaker 3: Terrible movie, terrible movie, don't watch it. I'm saving you, Wow,
Speaker 3: I'm saving you from yourself.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's so, that's such a bummer.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm saving you from the rants that. Honestly I
Speaker 3: would have loved to hear because you ran, you ran
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 1: But you know, wow, dude, Yeah, because I remember when
Speaker 1: I first heard there was a Joker Too, I'm like, fuck, yes,
Speaker 1: can't wait.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I was interested. I picked if
Speaker 3: he were reviewing it we reviewing on the show, because
Speaker 3: I picked it before I saw it, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll pick Joker Too when it's a big movie, I'll
Speaker 3: review it. Then now know it's gonna be that Wow,
Speaker 3: I regret of picking that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when I heard that, Lady Goga like, okay,
Speaker 1: I could buy you into that.
Speaker 3: She's nuts right. It's also a little bit of a
Speaker 3: musical exactly. So then when which didn't bug me.
Speaker 1: When I heard musical, I'm like, wait a minute, what's happened?
Speaker 3: I think that could be fascinating. You could make a
Speaker 3: fascinating movie with that. The movie is also barely a musical.
Speaker 3: It takes a lot of music that isn't original, which
Speaker 3: I think it feels weird in the movie. And I
Speaker 3: now Legog is great in the movie. It's just that
Speaker 3: she has nothing to do nothing of value to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, is she all tatted up and stuff?
Speaker 3: No, no, she looks haggard. She looks like she's been
Speaker 3: through the ringer but now not tatted at all.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah it sucks.
Speaker 1: It really does suck.
Speaker 3: It really with them?
Speaker 1: Oh really?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I like, I really like, I mean, Jaqui
Speaker 3: Vini is giving it as all. But like what, you know,
Speaker 3: he's not in charge. He's just an actor.
Speaker 1: I like like everything he does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't like Bowls of Fray, but
Speaker 3: he was great in bols Afraid.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one, but oh, you haven't seen
Speaker 1: it everything.
Speaker 3: I just watched the first hour. Really like, the first
Speaker 3: hour is amazing, the second and third and you know,
Speaker 3: gersisted it.
Speaker 1: I know, I remember which one you were talking about.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know why I've we missed that.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just so funny. It's just so funny
Speaker 3: that the first hour of that movie.
Speaker 1: There was also some articles about him at the very
Speaker 1: last minute walking off a movie or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he walked out of a.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of these actors.
Speaker 3: The director that made May December, which was my number
Speaker 3: one movie last year, he walked out of his new
Speaker 3: movie and that everyone's definitely disappointed with that.
Speaker 1: Did they ever say, why wasn't something like homo?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. They I heard that mentioned.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like a rumor as opposed
Speaker 3: to the truth. He gave an interview about it. I
Speaker 3: don't remember what he said, but I think it's about
Speaker 3: creative difference as regarding the character. I think that's what
Speaker 3: it was. And he just walked out though he just walked.
Speaker 1: Out like that my contract. I don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they halted production and everything. There's another actor
Speaker 3: maybe seen Rebel.
Speaker 1: Ridge Andrew Garfield, who isn't it?
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, I know what you're thinking of. You're
Speaker 3: thinking of something Rich the War movie with Mel Gibson,
Speaker 3: not with sorry he directed Schrich. Yes, that was that
Speaker 3: was the long time ago, all right, So this revel
Speaker 3: riches from this year. It's a Netflix movie. Great, great
Speaker 3: fucking movie. I love that movie. Rebel Rich is amazing.
Speaker 3: But the lead actor of the black guy in that
Speaker 3: character that was supposed to be played by who's the
Speaker 3: Star Wars guy? Again? The Star Wars guy is the
Speaker 3: only black guy in Star Wars. I know it was
Speaker 3: not the only Atlanta Courisians black too, but I mean
Speaker 3: the from the new era.
Speaker 1: I forgot his name, fuck Kai, I forgot his name.
Speaker 3: No, his name is Finn or Finn Finn, but I
Speaker 3: forgot his actors. Well whatever, that guy he was supposed
Speaker 3: to be the lead actor in Rebel Ridge and he
Speaker 3: just walked out and people like calling him and he's
Speaker 3: just like out of the country, just left that production,
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, and they contacted this guy, nailed it.
Speaker 3: He should have stayed for that movie. That movie was great.
Speaker 1: Wow, But did they ever find out what happened to Fenn?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I mean it's not like people lost him, but he
Speaker 3: just left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would you do that? Like a walking which
Speaker 1: is all.
Speaker 3: Fucking crazy, like what I don't know crazy. Well, I
Speaker 3: don't know. He's done Star Wars. I don't think he
Speaker 3: needs hit I guess, but.
Speaker 1: Wish I had that problem. Yeah, But getting back to
Speaker 1: the route.
Speaker 3: To mention that jacking, Vange also doesn't need money. He
Speaker 3: doesn't need that money.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I mean, his name alone gets people to the theater.
Speaker 3: So there's only like five actors that can.
Speaker 1: Do that, unless what was a bad one, Napoleon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, but he still got people to that
Speaker 3: not as much.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was the draw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and really, Scott, I guess, but that movie sucked, true.
Speaker 1: That's what you said. Yeah, I'm like, but the root
Speaker 1: was we should probably still do something like do the
Speaker 1: little short movie. Oh yes, that's how we started talking
Speaker 1: about all these Yeah, a little do a little something,
Speaker 1: because you know, once we watched Cereal Milk, Cereal Milk
Speaker 1: and Cereal. Once we watched that, we started looking at
Speaker 1: all these other little shorts that were on YouTube. There's
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of them. Probably, yeah, there were. Some
Speaker 1: of them are really good, some of them are mediocre,
Speaker 1: and some were like, we could do that, you know,
Speaker 1: we could. We could do something like that, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: just throw it up there see what happens, man, You
Speaker 1: never know? Yeah, how think that would be dope? It
Speaker 1: would be really fun.
Speaker 3: And the audience when I did short films, when when
Speaker 3: I had hope and gave the ship.
Speaker 1: When I still had a spring in my step, a glint.
Speaker 3: In my eye and a lie, we used to do
Speaker 3: cast and calls. I forgot the websites. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're around anymore. That's how long ago was.
Speaker 3: But the cast and calls were like literally actors wanting
Speaker 3: to start, but also like you know, the pay was
Speaker 3: the food, like we just pay you in pizza like
Speaker 3: that's it, you know, that's that's how it is to start.
Speaker 3: There is no pay.
Speaker 1: How do we do it? Man? What's the first step?
Speaker 1: Write something right? Like a script?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, know what the fuck we want to do?
Speaker 3: Get the equipment?
Speaker 1: Do you have cameras like that or would you? So?
Speaker 3: I Luke has two cameras, h yeah, for what? He
Speaker 3: has no fucking family?
Speaker 1: No, I mean he doesn't. What does he do with them?
Speaker 3: Nothing? He takes pictures on Japan and ship like that,
Speaker 3: but nothing. But they're they're good DSLR. No, they work
Speaker 3: for video too, they're good DSLRs. They work for both ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah that I think it was the back of your
Speaker 1: chair that time. Okay, I think it was because it
Speaker 1: goes out like this.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think, don't fuck with me.
Speaker 1: It's like a body shape the back. If you look
Speaker 1: at the back the chair, it's like a body.
Speaker 3: Shape, I believe.
Speaker 1: So I think that you turn the right way and
Speaker 1: it looked like it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he let me borrow one of them. For
Speaker 3: a few months ago. I had had a photo shoot
Speaker 3: for money that I made, but it was one done
Speaker 3: and uh, I still have it. He's like, you can
Speaker 3: just use it for whatever. He doesn't need to cameras.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even need one, you know. And yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 3: and we have our phones, so.
Speaker 1: We don't need those big fucking things like this. So
Speaker 1: those big not kimbals.
Speaker 3: Like Gimble will be cool, but we don't need them. No, really,
Speaker 3: we need a steady camshot. We need a skateboard. We
Speaker 3: do it right, skateboard and carpet won't make noise. It's great.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's the DIY way of doing it.
Speaker 3: You can also make fake railings. There's plenty of on
Speaker 3: YouTube back then when YouTube was newer. I seen videos
Speaker 3: that we've studied to make tracks with tubes and stuff
Speaker 3: that we could get at home depot for like nothing,
Speaker 3: and to make tracks. So we can make a shot
Speaker 3: though we call it. Got them so bad with the lingo? Now, yeah,
Speaker 3: a tracking shot, yeah.
Speaker 1: We should man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the second will be equipment, and more important
Speaker 3: than a camera is sound because these are good mics, No,
Speaker 3: are not good enough?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they're great. But they're they're not for the
Speaker 3: job for what we need. We need the mics to
Speaker 3: be away from we can't show the mic on camera. No,
Speaker 3: And as you're doing a show a movie about podcasting, we.
Speaker 1: Could be podcasters. Well, wouldn't we just take these polls.
Speaker 3: And like, yeah, the boom, that's like the boom mic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Would we have to buy new mics or no?
Speaker 3: But we'd have to you know, probably guess some stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know right now. This is off the top
Speaker 3: of my head. I'm not a sound guy at all,
Speaker 3: but in one of the big rules of not Hollywood,
Speaker 3: but like all movies, is that the picture could be
Speaker 3: could be shit, and it could be considered artistic. The
Speaker 3: sound has to be perfect or it's always considered as shit.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes sense.
Speaker 3: People will not forget. People don't think about the sound
Speaker 3: unless it's bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 3: Sound is number one, or at the very least as important.
Speaker 3: That's picture.
Speaker 1: I want to do it. I think it would be great.
Speaker 1: I think it would be so much fun because not
Speaker 1: we could just go back to the old way. But
Speaker 1: I just figured riff off.
Speaker 3: Of you know that in the past. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: do this. I don't think I will just interrupt.
Speaker 1: You just completely derailed the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I remember good because I've done any made time, and
Speaker 3: it's okay, so all right, all right, ready for the countome.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gummy like so I keep like
Speaker 1: drinking water like rinse in my mouth.
Speaker 3: Hum, I don't know. I feel fine. The stoo is
Speaker 3: in five four three two