Speaker 1: Well, there's a blue sky ray rolling over the plane.
There's a blue sky ray rolling over the plane, and
my good night see head coming.
Speaker 2: It was too stick when she said, I can't love
you man, and the more one chance is all I need.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't that before at you, no matter what I
go through, because after one time you were the stars
and my sky fire.
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over the plane, and I good see it coming.
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the colors, but the.
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carrying me down?
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Speaker 7: Tell men, what's your mask?
Speaker 1: When you sit.
Speaker 6: I will never let.
Speaker 7: You go, never let you go.
Speaker 8: I never let you go.
Speaker 7: I never let you go, I never let you go.
Speaker 2: Well, I have yet to leave a woman who does
not play with the strings of my heart.
Speaker 3: I wish it was not so easy. Support of Peason
and folly are But there's.
Speaker 1: A blue skyy rolling over the plain. There's a blue
skyray rolling over the plain. Well, there's a blue sky
ray rolling over the plane. There's a blue skyy rolling
over plane.
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Speaker 4: I can no crack this.
Speaker 10: I cannot crack that. It doesn't matter how the work,
because I exist for me.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter how the way, because I talk for me.
Chat resensor shuts my purpose.
Speaker 11: You are some perfect even if you don't know man
all my beer code, commage shoulder all the way.
Speaker 8: I'm comforting, and this is just the way we're rolling.
Speaker 10: This is just the way we're rolling.
Speaker 12: I can sit down, oh, stand up to and that
is just the way it's kind of going.
Speaker 7: So I'll be me and you'll be you.
Speaker 13: That is what we've got to do to try to
get through you.
Speaker 7: Chats my sister shuts my purpose.
Speaker 11: You are some perfect even if you don't know all
my people, commage shoulder all the way.
Speaker 10: I converted that this is just the way we're roll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just.
Speaker 4: The way you were rolling.
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think kid, they don't you.
Speaker 5: Sir, know that you'll come through everything there. You to
be your own person. LIVEY for you, boy, you live
I for you.
Speaker 12: You can't leave that.
Speaker 7: Shuts my sensor.
Speaker 11: Shots, my brother, you are some perfect even if you don't.
Speaker 7: Don't on a big pot the shoulder all the way
I covered a bit.
Speaker 15: Yes, shuts my sisters, my brother start you want some perfect.
Speaker 5: This is just the way.
Speaker 15: This is just the late, this is just the place.
Speaker 9: That is the way we're rolling. Lydia ready who we're
going to be speaking with in just a moment, as
she makes her return to the show from across the pond,
Welcome everybody. We have entered our number three New Marrow
trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed And for those of you
listening live today is Saturday, September twentieth, twenty twenty five.
We are live from the studios of w m n
H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire,
and of course you can stream the show from anywhere.
Go to Matt connorton dot com. Slash live for all
your live streaming options, social media links, contact infoshoe, archives,
et cetera, et cetera. Jenny is here, of course, at
the news table, and let's bring her in right now.
She is with us via Microsoft Teams Lydia Ready, Hello.
Speaker 16: Lydia, Hey everyone, how's it going?
Speaker 11: Good?
Speaker 9: Good, welcome back. It's great to speak with you. You know,
we uh we talked recently your your first single, Turned
This Town Around, which we love, and then uh, and
then we received this uh, The Way We're Rolling, which
I think we played was it a week or two
or a couple of weeks ago? Actually the American radio
premiere of that, another great great track from you. I
really like this a lot and absolutely, and so let's
get into it. What what is this song about? I mean,
I know what I took from it, but but tell us, uh,
in your own words, what what is the meaning of
this song? The Way We're Rolling?
Speaker 16: This song is.
Speaker 17: About just being completely yourself and loving yourself for who
you are and live in each other.
Speaker 9: And I think what I got from it too, it
was also there's a strong message. I think they're about
acceptance and h and not. You know, a lot of
people and in are current not to get into this
part of it, really, but you know, just in America,
and I'm sure you see it from over there. Uh,
you know, there's there's a lot of attension, a lot
of people who have problems with other people who are
different from them. And unfortunately that's always a facet of
American life to some degree, it seems like right now
it's it's gotten pretty dicey. But and and so sometimes
I don't I don't know if they use the term
there when talking about this, but in America people like
to use the word tolerance or you know, you have
to you have to tolerate people who are different. And
I've never liked the word tolerance. I prefer the word
acceptance because tolerance to me kind of sounds like, oh,
you know, I don't really like people who are different
from me, but I guess I can talk tolerate them.
You know, I've always preferred the word acceptance. And that's
when when I listen to that song, that's what I
get from that song. But it's really about acceptance because
we should we should celebrate our distance, our differences, not
be uh, you know, not be fearful because of them,
and and not to ostracize people because of them or
other wise people. But but we should accept them. And
that's that's kind of what I what I got from that,
and and a sense of acceptance and solidarity. Am I?
Am I right about that? Or am I reading too
much into it?
Speaker 3: Or what?
Speaker 9: Say you?
Speaker 16: No, You're absolutely correct.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 17: It is a little bit deeper than just like loving yourself.
It is about like all that kind of stuff. There
is a lot of hate in the world at the moment,
in probably all areas of the world.
Speaker 16: And I was I'm just sick of it.
Speaker 17: I was like, you know what, if a few people
can hear a song and start accepting some other people,
then my job's done.
Speaker 9: Like I'm happy, right right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: What's interesting too, is because you know, yeah, there is
a little bit of a deeper meaning. And and when
we talked about turn this Town around, we we had
kind of a similar discussion in the sense that and
by the way, we're gonna play that track again too.
We're gonna play that one at the end of our
conversation because I love I still love that song too.
But what's so interesting about that song to me is.
You know, if you're just listening to it sort of casually,
not necessarily paying close attention to the lyrics, it just
sounds like a catchy, fun song, almost like you know,
you're you know, you're gonna, you're gonna, uh, you know,
really make your mark in this town, this whatever town
it is you're referring to in the song, and you know,
there's it's got a certain anthemic quality to it, But
it's only if you really pay attention to the lyrics
that you realize that there's something deeper going on. There's
a deeper meaning, and you're expressing concerns that maybe other
people don't have but should have, you know, things that
we should all be be concerned about and worried about.
So underneath that that sort of that catchy, fun vibe,
there's a there's a real serious message there. And I'm
noticing with both of these songs, that's kind of the
through line between them, Right, they're both catchy and fun,
but if you're paying attention, if you're paying attention to
the lyrics, there's some very important messaging underneath that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's definitely what I've been trying to do.
Speaker 17: I feel a lot of the time, if you have
kind of a serious message and partner it with serious,
gloomy music, people might just skip on. But if you
can't put this serious message with some a bit more
catchy and up be it'll make people hopefully like, want
to keep listening to it and then because of that
understand the lyrics and the meaning behind it.
Speaker 9: Mm hmmmm. Is that important to you as an artist,
because I mean, I'm sure that you know if you
wanted to, and maybe you will in the future, maybe
maybe you'll have a song that that really is just
kind of catchy and fun and it's and that's all
it is. It's just like a catchy, fun sing along
anthem or something. But is it is it really like,
is it something that you do deliberately when you write
these songs, you deliberately and intentionally put something serious underneath.
Is that important to you as an artist?
Speaker 16: Yeah, it definitely is.
Speaker 17: I've got quite a mixed obviously, not the ones that
are out now, but I've got some coming out that
are just kind of fun, catchy. I've got one called
X Business, which is just about like saying screw you
to your X pretty much, and a few like that.
But then I've also got these two and then my
next song that's coming out that's called look at Me Now,
And it's not quite as on a big scale as
in it's more involving acceptance as a world. It's more
like when people try and put you down, but your
rise up and you're like, look at me now, I'm
better than ever. That kind of vibe, and that's going
to be a bit rockier. But I think for especially
this first EP that I'm releasing my whole theme as
I want there to be these big messages within these
catchy melodies.
Speaker 16: The second EP is where it's gonna go a little
bit more fun.
Speaker 9: Okay, so let's talk about that. So the trajectory so
you have so you have an e P?
Speaker 4: Is the EP?
Speaker 9: Uh finished? The first one?
Speaker 16: I finished recording them, but they're not out yet. I've
only released the first two.
Speaker 9: Yet now, okay, so but the EP has done. So
then what's what's kind of the Do you have an
ETA on when the EP will be out?
Speaker 17: So I'm thinking, let me ever think, yeah, it will
be out a little bit, probably early April, late March
around that time.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, interesting? And then what is it? Five tracks?
Six tracks. Yeah it is, it's five five five Okay,
very good, very good. It's it's so interesting, how you know,
there's so many different ways to release music now in
terms of you know, you could put out an EP
and then singles, or put out singles and then they
coalesce into an EP or or you know, however you
choose to do it. There's there's really uh limitless options.
But I think the I think these first two are
really strong. And then so will there be a third
single before the EP or or will you or is
the EP the next thing that's coming out or do
you know yet?
Speaker 17: Yeah, so there's going to be another single. It hasn't
been announced yet, but it's gonna be in around two.
Speaker 9: Months time, okay.
Speaker 16: And that's look at me now that I was just
talking about.
Speaker 17: Okay, and then we thought we want to wait until
after Christmas because I think it gets a bit too
busy then for people to bother about new music.
Speaker 16: So probably January ish. I was well wrong when I
said April January ish.
Speaker 17: Okay, I'm gonna we're gonna put out like the whole
EPA with the last two songs.
Speaker 9: Okay, excellent, and then so but you're already talking about
the next EP too. You you mentioned the next one,
So what's what's your plan for the next one? Is
the next one? Because I think you said the next
EP that you do is gonna be a little bit different.
Speaker 17: Yeah, So the next one is like a concept EP,
so it's all about kind of this relationship journey. So
the first song on it is called why Do I
Like You? And it's all about liking this bad boy
and not wanting.
Speaker 16: To but you can't help it. That's the very poppy song,
quite Cynthie.
Speaker 17: Then you've got one called real Life, which is one
of my rocky tracks, and that's about you're with this
bad boy but you don't like.
Speaker 16: It anymore, you want to get out.
Speaker 17: Then you've got track three, which is called Sorry. At
this point you've broken up and he's trying to get
you back and you're saying sorry, but it's not going
to happen. Then you've got exp Business, which is a
very upbeat one. It's quite jazzy, and that one is
very similar to Sorry in the theme, but this time
you're with a new boyfriend and you're saying go away,
stop bothering me. And then the final song on that one.
I'm currently writing it, and that's going to be you're
with your new boyfriend and you're really happy.
Speaker 9: Oh okay, well so I was happy. I mean, no,
that's cool. So you've got a whole you've got a
whole story planned out. That's uh, that's excellent. That's excellent. Yeah. Yeah,
And you're thinking ahead, you're thinking long term, which is cool.
And I think we might have talked about this too
that before when you were on the show, because you know,
a lot of times a lot of artists, you know,
especially when they're when they're young in their career, you know,
they they just kind of throw a lot of stuff
against the wall and see what sticks. And there's nothing
wrong with doing that because sometimes sometimes that's your only
option if you if you're if you don't have a
long term plan, you don't have a plan, and sometimes
figuring out a plan is just trying different things and
seeing what works. But you've really got a thought out plan,
and uh, and I think that's I think that's great.
Is that important to you to have a sense of
certainty about where you're going and what you're doing and
how you're going to approach this? Is that important to
you as an artist.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 17: It's definitely very important because especially I've seen my brother
is three years older than me, and he's been doing
music since he was forty and he's twenty now, so
I've seen him do everything, and I know how important
it is to have these release plans and knowing exactly
what's happening when in order to try and be successful.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. I remember you mentioning your brother too.
Does he refresh my memory now? And of course newer
listeners who might not have heard our previous conversation. Is
he involved in the production of your music?
Speaker 16: So he is in a few of the songs.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I've got a mix of him and three of
my mates from college who all play different guitar and
bass parts, because I write the songs and I can
kind of just about play a bit of guitar and piano,
but I'm not very good at it, so I get
them to play it when I'm recording them.
Speaker 9: Okay, gotcha? Gotcha? And what happens in terms of live
do you do you play these out? Have you performed
any of these songs live?
Speaker 17: So generally, when I've been performing my songs live. My
brother's been around and he's played the songs in the background.
Speaker 9: Cool.
Speaker 17: But now as I'm recording the songs, I'm actually getting
back in tracks for.
Speaker 16: Them as well.
Speaker 17: I just hit my vocals off, so I'm nearly at
the point where I could do a full set.
Speaker 16: We just back in tracks.
Speaker 17: But behind the scenes, which is all top secret, I'm
actually rehearsing with the band of Summer, my mates from college,
and we're putting together a show for my eighteenth birthday
next year in April. But it's all very secret we're doing.
I'm going to release it in December. The tickets.
Speaker 9: Oh oh, very cool, very cool. Yeah, So I don't
know how much more you can say about it, but
I all right, well I'll ask you the question, and
if you don't want to answer, I'll respect that. But
but but are you planning to play the full EP?
Speaker 4: I am?
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, both EPs? Okay, awesome? Oh, very cool, very cool.
All right, we'll have to have you back on before
that happens, so we can we can get the update
or if it's still a secret at that point, we'll
see what more information we can get out of you.
Speaker 16: But two singles time and it'll all be out there.
Speaker 9: Well, we got to have when the next thing comes
out too, we'll have to have you back on for
that too, because you know, we're we're fans. We like
what you're doing. So now, and so your brother, and
tell me again, is he does he have a band currently?
Speaker 16: He doesn't currently have about it?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 9: No, okay, okay, because I remember you talking a little
bit about him too. Did you come from a musical family? Like,
are your parents also musicians?
Speaker 16: Not all, but they love music.
Speaker 17: They've like blasted music in the house all the time
since I was tiny, and my grandma is a singer,
so we think he might have come from my grandma.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, also to just having obviously if they're if
your parents, even if they're not musicians, but if they're
very into music, I'm sure they're very supportive of what
you're doing and that that can make a huge difference,
you know, especially when you're starting out in your career,
you know, having a family that really supports you and
is uh, you know, encouraging you, you know, because sometimes
you know, some some families don't necessarily encourage their kids.
You know, they'll say, they'll say, oh, what do you
want to do this. You know, you should be more
focused on whatever it is they think you should be doing.
But you know, and they might not take it seriously.
You know, we've all heard those stories of you know,
the parents who were like, don't, don't, don't, don't do that,
don't play in a band, don't make music. You know,
just focus on school, focus on whatever. But I think
if I remember correctly, though, are you in school now?
Are you in college?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 17: I'm in college, so over here that's ages sixteen to eighteen, okay,
And I'm.
Speaker 16: Doing these things called A levels.
Speaker 17: I'm not sure if you know about them, but pretty
much I've got to get through them under B tech.
Speaker 16: It's all sounded very confusing, but I've got to get
through a.
Speaker 17: Few tests at the end of next year, so it'll
be summer next year, and then I'm hoping to go
to university, which is you do three years in UNI
and then you can hopefully get this fantasy certificate and
get a job.
Speaker 9: Do you know yet? And I only ask because you know,
I know you're a long term planner, Like, do you
plan to study music when you go to Universe?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 16: I don't. I'm planning to do market in and digital advertizing.
Speaker 9: Well, that's also very useful in the music industry certainly,
so you know, so it sounds like I mean, actually
that might even be more helpful to you in terms
of your music career, you know, than you know, studying
a lot of music theory and all that, like, you know,
learning the marketing, especially, you know, in the era that
we live in where you know, I'm old enough to
remember when it was you know, a pre inter Yeah,
I'm Generation X, you know, I'm the last generation to
grow up without the Internet. So I've seen everything change
so much, and I think it's more important and beneficial
now than ever to really understand marketing as an artist,
because it's not like when you know, you get signed
to a label and they just do everything for you
and all you have to worry about is show up
and play and record or whatever.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 9: Like now, the more control that you can have over
your own marketing and distribution and social media all of it.
The more control that you can have, I think, the
better off you are long term. And like I said,
you know, you're obviously a long term planner, so so
I think that's a great direction for you to go. Actually,
I think I think that'll be very very useful to you,
you know, and and something to fall back on too.
That gives you, you know, you'll be able to, you know,
get a job anywhere you want really with with that
kind of background. So I think that's great.
Speaker 16: There's so many jobs in that industry that I can
go into.
Speaker 17: And then I think on the side, probably Friday Saturday evenings,
I've got to pubs and do gigs there, so I'd
still always have music.
Speaker 9: There you go, Yeah, there you go. Absolutely, I think
that's a great I think that's a great direction to go. Well, Lydia.
We appreciate you joining us again. Love the new single,
and in a moment we're going to play turn this
Town Around and we'll kind of we'll cap off the
segment with that. But I want to make sure our
listeners know where should they go online to keep up
with everything that you're doing. Where's the best place to
go online?
Speaker 17: So mostly on Instagram under do you ready music ready
spelled R E D D.
Speaker 16: Why that's on Instagram.
Speaker 17: But I do also have a Facebook account, but that's
private at the moment because it won't let me change
it until I'm eighteen, and it's the same with my
TikTok account, but I can accept people to go onto.
Speaker 9: Those Oh okay, okay, excellent.
Speaker 16: Well yeah, my Instagram's fully public.
Speaker 9: Lindia Ady Music okay, okay, very good. And before we
let you go on, before we play this track, remind
us again again for listeners who might not have heard
our previous conversation about turn this town around? What what
are you? What are you expressing with this song? I'll
let you. I mean I kind of talked about it,
but in your own words, what are you? What are
you addressing with this?
Speaker 17: So this song, let's put it in easy terms, just
kind of like looking after the world and looking after
each other as much as you can do.
Speaker 9: Yep, yep, no, perfectly said. Absolutely well, Lydia. Ready, thank
you so much. Always wonderful to talk with you. I
look forward to I look forward to the next single
and hopefully we can give it the americ Can Radio
premiere here on this side of the pond when it's ready.
So look forward to speaking to you again. And we're
gonna hit it. We're gonna hit this track. We'll let
you go for now. But thanks Lydia, great, thank you. Seeleia,
you got it bye bye, all right. That is Lydia Ready,
and if you missed it, we played at the beginning
of our conversation her newest single, The Way We're Rolling,
which is which is great, but we might we might
sneak it in again at the end of the show
today because I really do like that song very much.
But we're also gonna play this to end our conversation
and then Jenny and I will be back on the
other side of this with uh, We've got another very
interesting music industry news story to share with you. But
here it is. This is Turned This Town Around. This
is the first single and by the way, we were
the first American radio station to play this from Lydia Ready.
Speaker 10: What's that sound? What's that sounded?
Speaker 13: Home?
Speaker 5: A bunstn mixie scream and shout Hannah, turn this town around?
Speaker 10: Stop and look this way.
Speaker 5: I made some insufficients. What I see is what I say.
And this here's a travesty. The earth are trying to
now and you don't see the tragedy. It's all blurring
all it's one and die sup blinded. We think it's typical,
but that's just cause we's so shallow.
Speaker 10: My dad, what that sound? What set sound?
Speaker 5: Get out of my way or burns down, Mixie and
scream and shout, and I turn.
Speaker 7: This town around.
Speaker 10: Pee everywhere.
Speaker 5: If your parts and nurture and to care for this
world of us, I believe the earth will no longer
fall upont we can glue it all back tog and
find a piece of less forever.
Speaker 16: What that sounds?
Speaker 5: Sound my way or burns down? Maxie in scream and show,
pan out, turn this town round?
Speaker 7: What's it sound? What's it sound?
Speaker 8: And get out my way of burns down?
Speaker 7: Pxie and scream.
Speaker 5: And shower, pan out on the town around.
Speaker 10: What's it town?
Speaker 5: That's just because you.
Speaker 10: Turn this town round? What's it sound?
Speaker 7: What's it sound? What's it sound?
Speaker 4: Get out a way of burns down.
Speaker 5: Baxie and scream and shower, and I'll turn this town around.
Speaker 7: What's it sound? What's it sound?
Speaker 11: Get out my way of burns down, Makesie in scream
and shout, and alto on this town round.
Speaker 9: That is Lydia ready, turn this town around. And this
is Matt Connorton unleashed and we are alive. From the
studios of WM and H ninety five point three FM
and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and thank you again to
Lydia for joining us today. And we did feature earlier. Yeah,
we played the way we're rolling her newest single earlier
in the show. We might we might cap off today's
show with that one more time. We'll see, we'll see
how how the rest of the hour goes. But uh,
if you are joining us live on Saturday. Today is
September twentieth, twenty twenty five, and we've got actually, Jenny
found a couple of interesting music industry stories. But this
is from Billboard dot com. This this just happened. And
this also relates to a subject that we've discussed many
times on the show. Klan like this Klanie slams Ai
artist Zania or Zannia Moneta. It's x A N I
A So I guess that's Zania Zannia Monet getting a
three million dollar record deal. This is so beyond out
of control, the musician told fans. Now, I don't know
anything about this. This is the first time hearing about
this is I didn't think there there even was such
a thing as a three million dollar record deal anymore.
I didn't I thought that was a thing of the past.
But so I don't understand. Let's we'll go through this
here again. This is from billboard dot Com. A few
days ago, Billboard broke the news that an AI generated artist,
Zania Monet, had signed a multimillion dollar record deal after
meeting with multiple labels.
Speaker 4: This sounds very they thought over this person. It sounds like, yeah,
but not person. It's not a person.
Speaker 9: And by the way, but even that's one thing about
this is so strange. But the other thing that's so
strange to me is a story about a new artist
having multiple meetings with various labels to and this bidding
war that that that sounds like something from thirty years ago.
That doesn't sound like something that even happens in twenty
twenty five. So that part's also strange to me. Everything
about this is weird. Are we in an alternate universe?
Speaker 4: An artist I use that term loosely, who did all
of their music.
Speaker 9: With Sunio, Yeah, which is the app that we use Suno,
which is the app that we use yea Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't know why I said I.
Speaker 9: Know why because the other, the other big one is Udio.
So I think in your mind you created an amalgam
of Suno and Udio and created Sudio. Yeah, I mean
maybe maybe someday they'll merge and that'll be the new name.
Speaker 4: The creator is claiming the art. The lyrics are theirs, Yeah,
but they use Suno to make the music. Yeah, so
the music is obviously not theirs.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it says here. In a recent TikTok, the singer
songwriter Kalani shared their thoughts on how Wood Media reportedly
shelling out three million dollars to sign the fictive musician,
whose quote persona is operated behind the scenes by writer
Talisia Nicki Jones, despite copyright concerns previously by other major
labels um so, A frustrated sounding Kilani told followers, without
directly mentioning Monet or Jones, quote, there is an AI,
R and B artist who just signed a multimillion dollar
deal and the person is doing none of the work.
This is so beyond out of control unquote.
Speaker 4: It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. They're using
other people's music to create it. Suno uses everybody else's
music to learn from. So if you're going there with
your lyrics to quote make music, you're making music from
other artists. Really it's not coming out of your brain,
but artistry comes out of your brain.
Speaker 9: But I also don't understand the most like this. But
the most mind benning thing to me about this is again,
I don't like, why is somebody paying three million dollars
for this?
Speaker 4: Because apparently these songs are going up the jar?
Speaker 9: But so what even even if they are, you don't
pay in the year twenty twenty five, why would anyone
pay three million dollars for to anybody for anything?
Speaker 4: Apparently this was a big deal. They had this big,
giant zoom meeting with all the executives, and this is
bizarre to close this deal with the person what was
I I can't remember what that person's name is. Who
created Zaniamneh who is not a human being?
Speaker 9: But what am I missing about? I mean, like, yeah,
I mean, and I know the AI part is so
stop heard, but I'm still stuck on the other part
of this. Like, honestly, if you took this story and
you took the AI part out of it, and you
just told me there was this new artist named zaniamone
who who had all these meetings and just got offered
a three million dollar record deal, a brand new artists
brand new artist. I've never even heard of it. Even
if you took the AI part completely out of the story,
I would still be sitting here going, what in the
year five they're charting?
Speaker 4: That's why.
Speaker 9: But even that shouldn't matter.
Speaker 4: What greed talks buck up like this. They don't care.
They can make a dollar, they'll do it. But how
are they gonna make money? Like they're gonna make merch maybe?
I guess where do they make money these days? It's downloads?
Aren't the way nobody gets three? So what is in
the deal though, Like, what exactly is in the deal?
Obviously this artist can't go perform anywhere. There's no concerts
for fictictional character unless they make a hologram.
Speaker 9: Well unless the author who created this character is going
to do to do that, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well if they were gonna do that, when they do
that themselves to begin with, I'm assuming that they can't
perform the way that their fake version can perform.
Speaker 9: I guess yeah, on a computer.
Speaker 4: It can't perform. Outside of a computer. You can't go
to get tickets and go see them live unless it's
a holograph. I don't think we Well, we got those
in Vegas, but they're not everywhere yet.
Speaker 9: Well you can't though, I mean if if if if
she can sing and.
Speaker 4: She's if you know she can sing, if I just
hire if.
Speaker 9: You can hire a band to learn the songs, or
you just play back in tracks or whatever.
Speaker 4: But that's not what they're saying. That's not what that.
They didn't sign her, They signed the fictitional character. Yeah,
so it's got to be like merch and stuff like that.
Speaker 9: Yes, that's a lot of money for I don't like it, really.
Speaker 4: I actually am kind of shocked by it all because
I didn't think that the music industry will legitimize it
in this way, and now that they have, I don't
like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 9: I don't like it, assess. Here at the vocalist, Kilani
went on emphasize the power of AI to create fully
formed songs out of thin air, without users having to
credit anyone involved in making the countless copyrighted works on
which such generative music systems are trained to craft. Monet's music,
Jones used Suna, which is the same app that we
we full disclosure. We played with we played with it
on the air, we did experiments, we we created tracks
about me becoming victorious in my long running feud with
MC hammer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not saying it's not fun to play with,
but to reward it, to pay for it, to legitimize
it in the music industry as a valid.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've also there too, real Bless of Blood Humans.
Speaker 9: I've also used it full disclosure. I've used it to
create theme music for a couple of podcasts, Tough Bumps
and UH. And I even made a song for the
The AF the podcast only version of this show, although
I'm not really I kind of changed my mind about
the song I chose but that I created with Suno.
But anyway, it doesn't matter. But okay, So to craft
Money's music, Jones used Suno, though her manager Rommel Murphy
emphasized to Billboard that his client personally writes all the
original lyrics that monet quote unquote.
Speaker 4: But not the music. And I argue that it's not
with copyright infringement because every piece of music this thing
used to create it, it learned from a human being.
It didn't come out of thin air. It came out
of a human mind that it stuck into a computer
and spit this out right. So is that really not
using somebody else's work, because I don't think it is.
You're using everybody else's work to train it, and then
it pulls from a thousand artists to make this song. Well,
that's a thousand different artists' input that got into that song.
It's not royalty free, y'all happy? Gee? Look at like.
I don't like the way the article comes across. It's like, oh,
this is all that section you read about it being
like royalty free, and they can create that just I.
Speaker 9: Don't like it, it says here. Billboard has reached out
to Jones's rep for comment. Kilani certainly isn't the only
person in the industry with objections to Monet's deal. Sources
previously told Billboard that several major labels had also been
in talks with Jones, but ultimately walked away with respect
to their collaborative copyright lawsuit against Suno last year. Yeah,
there's a there's a lawsuit. The labels are suing Suno.
Speaker 4: That's what. So why are somebody signing this person.
Speaker 9: Well, the company signing them isn't involved in that lawsuit obviously,
But but that's why I tell people too, because you know,
we we use Suno. I use sun know for some stuff.
If you are using these uh these these uh large
learning models like sun enjoy it while you have it,
because the sharks are circling just so you know. Okay,
I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna I think that. I don't think.
Speaker 9: I don't think it's gonna go Yeah, oh I agree,
but yeah. The basis of the lawsuit is that Suno
allegedly infringed upon the copyright of the label's catalogs by
using pre existing works to train its technology. The company
disagrees with this characterization, arguing that its users are actually
making entirely original works via fair use of the music
in its database.
Speaker 4: Okay, but that's saying the same thing in a different sentence.
You just said this fair use is a very loosely
used term.
Speaker 9: In that sentence, I think, I think, well that's but
well that's the argument that the company that signed er
is making now there and so for people who don't know, so,
fair use is when you're using someone else's material. But
but but you're using it in a transformative.
Speaker 4: Way or educational way.
Speaker 9: So for example, if if you if you watch YouTube videos,
you know, because people make reaction videos, especially you know
in political uh uh YouTube. So for example, if you're
commenting on on something on somebody else's video, you're using
someone else's content and you're playing it and you're commenting
on it as you do it. We had even recently
discussed doing that with someone, but we decided not to
because we don't want some and making angry phone calls
to certain people. But that type of thing where you're
using somebody else's content but you're commenting on it as
you play it on your own channel, that's an example
of fair use. The reason podcasters on YouTube are able
to do that kind of thing is because it's transformative.
They're taking they're using someone else's content to create their
own content from that as they comment on it. And
that's why those podcasters are protected.
Speaker 4: Huge difference because the material they're using, they're using it,
it's still associated, it's still identified as the original. You're
playing it, but it's the original. You know, it's the
person speaking, is that person not them?
Speaker 9: That's a good point.
Speaker 4: They're not taking all of that and creating something. It's
not that right, you know, this is literally this is
like I read every VC Andrews book and then I
write a VC Andrews book because I read all of
her books and just gurgitated out her own style wording
continued her story. Isn't that still her story? It's still
her story. I'm I'm playing in her world. It's not
like it's one thing to do.
Speaker 9: I mean, if you took the characters and made all
basically yeah, well that would be then you'd be violating
her intellectual property.
Speaker 4: Well, how are you not violating a musician's intellectual property
when you're stealing the notes off of a page instead
of the words off of a page.
Speaker 9: Now that just to play Devil's advocate. You know my
counter argument, and you've heard me say this before. And
by the way, at the end of the day, I
will always argue on behalf of artists that we've got
to talk about and protecting artists, And you know obviously
where I come from. I think everyone understands that. But
the the counter argument, and I do think it's a
decent counter argument. So again I'm playing Devil's advocate. But
when we talk about these large learning models sucking up
all this information and then and then being able to
create from it, if I how is that different from
necessarily the human. So if I sit down and I
write a song any way, well let me just finish
my thought. Though again I'm playing Devil's out here, but
let me just finish my thought. If I'm sitting down
and I'm writing something, anything that I write is informed
and influenced by all the music that I've previously heard
in my lifetime up to that moment. So therefore, how
is that different?
Speaker 4: Because you are a human being using your mind, not
a computer that can memorize everything verbatim, every signature, stamp,
every note, every everything, every dissonance and replicate that precisely.
You are a human. You cannot do that, right, You
as a human can interpret what you hear, what you see,
what you feel, and then reinterpret that into artistry. That's
what artists do, right. You take a story, something that's
pointed to you, You take a paint brush and you
scart that around. That is you interpreting the world around
you into that canvas. Right, same thing a musician does,
interpreting the world and putting it down on a sheet music.
That's unique.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You taking all the knowledge that somebody gives you, go
to college for ten years, you take all that knowledge
to write something that's you as a human being, creating
something out of your own mind. It's not picture perfect
pages in a computer that can literally just that's not creation,
that's gluing stuff together.
Speaker 9: Just very quick, yeah, yeah, just very quickly. I'm looking
on YouTube. I just want to hear something from.
Speaker 4: I Will Live.
Speaker 9: I'm like, what, what could somebody possibly be paying? See
I'm still stuck on that part. What could somebody be
paying three million dollars for? Okay?
Speaker 4: So, uh, what's the going rate for artists these days?
Speaker 9: So it's not that, let's see Okay, Okay, So I
found the YouTube page Xanny moon A. All right, I'm
just gonna play this first song that pops up. Looks
like this is the newest single. It's called back when
Love Was Real? All right, this is the lyric video here.
Let me it's probably an ad first, let me see.
I'm just curious, like, what what could this be?
Speaker 18: M M, I want that back in the day kind
of loving live stream. It was fell inside. It's no text,
no ma nightiest, just loyalty and a little bit of respect.
Before everybody knew.
Speaker 7: Your business, Before who.
Speaker 2: You Live turns suspicious?
Speaker 11: Before the GPS and the past.
Speaker 9: Words to love a simple just me you take me back.
Speaker 7: When love was real.
Speaker 9: I almost feel like she's trolling all of us with
those lyrics.
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound any different from stuff you've created, and
I don't think it does, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't get a few words in there, don't.
I don't get it like this, This so many not okay.
Speaker 4: I'm not okay with this. You know this is wrong.
It's a huge difference between human creation and computer creation.
We humans don't have the ability to photo have a
photographic memory of every single word note you know what
I mean, every breath of the in a nation where's
there's so much to what an artist does as a human.
Speaker 9: Although that does well, that raises a question though, what
if what if an artist has a photographic memory? Should
they but you're not gonna should they not make music?
Speaker 4: That's different at.
Speaker 9: Photographic memories. That's you're a human.
Speaker 4: But you're a human. You're still using everything that you've
got to create something out of your own brain. It's
not like a computer literally taking ones and zeros and
realigning the ones and zeros and spitting it back at you,
which is what I feel like it's doing. You're taking
everybodybody else's music, here's your ones and zeros, rearrange it,
spit it back out. That's not what a human being does.
A human being takes life, experience, thought, feeling, passion, emotion,
all of that, everything they've learned, they've been around, musicians, whatever,
and then create out of that. Yeah, big difference between
rearranging it and creation.
Speaker 9: Justin Michaels is in the chat room. You know, he's
a very loyal listener and supporter of actually all the
programming that we're involved in. And he says, so you
can you can use AI and get signed. Now, Wow,
that's what I'm saying, right, we just found this out
And he said, Matt, look out for Skynett.
Speaker 4: I think we've already gotten there at this point. Yeah,
but it is it isn't right, It's not okay with me. Yeah,
And you're never going to see this artist for in
real life ever, they're not existent. You could see somebody
pretending to be them, but you will never see them
because they don't exist. It only exists in a computer.
Speaker 9: Well, let's move on from that because I just want
to get this other story. But this also deals with
you know, because I'm always fascinated by anything to do
with copyright, intellectual property, all of that is, trademarks, all
of that is very fascinating to me. Obviously, I did
not go to law school, but if I had the
type of law that I would probably be practicing would
have to do with all that, I'd probably be an
entertainment lawyer because these things are so interesting to me.
But this is another story that you sent me. This
is from pitchfork dot com. Neil Young has been sued
by Chrome Hearts Fashion over his band's new name. And
by the way, I didn't even know that Neil Young
had a new band, you know. I just think of
him as a solo artist, of course.
Speaker 4: But I didn't know there was a fashion called Chrome
I didn't either Chrome Heart the Chrome Hearts.
Speaker 9: The Los Angeles company is not happy about the existence
of Neil Young and the Chrome Hearts, so says here.
Last year, Neil Young began to play shows with a
new backing band that he called The Chrome Hearts. Then
in June, Neil Young and the Chrome Hearts featuring Young,
Micah Nelson, Corey McCormick, Anthony legerfo orligerfo and Spooner Old
Him released their debut album Taken to the Trees I'm
Sorry Talking to the Trees. Now, Young and his bandmates
are being sued by the la fashion brand Chrome Hearts
for trademark infringement. Chrome Hearts LLC filed its complaint in
a California federal court on Thursday, September eleventh. The lawsuit
was first reported by Billboard. In the complaint obtained by Pitchfork,
lawyers for Chrome Hearts outline the brand's ownership quote of
the Chrome Heart's word mark and composite trademarks comprising the
Chrome Hearts mark and design components unquote, dating back to
nineteen ninety one. They argue that Young and his bandmates
are infringing upon the brand's trademark by selling Neil Young
and the Chrome Heart's merchandise. That quote incorporates the exact
Chrome Heart's word mark and thus likely to cause confusion
with Chrome Heart's various Chrome Heart marks. The likelihood of
confusion is not merely hypothetical. Some clothing and apparel vendors
have apparently already mistakenly assumed that there is a connection
between Neil Young and the Chrome Hearts and Chrome Hearts
and are actively promoting that purported connection. For example, some
vendors have started marketing T shirts that prominently display mister
Young's name and the Chrome Heart's iconic stylization of the
Chrome Heart's mark unquote. I assume, by the way, so
what that means is it's using the same font as
the Chrome Heart's logo. I have to assume otherwise there
would probably be no issue. I wouldn't think.
Speaker 4: I think you only had to be concerned about another
band's name. Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's they're claiming, according to that from the
lawsuit that verbi, it's from the lawsuit that it's already
causing confusion. I find that heart of belief. If it
is causing confusion. If that's true, then I guess that
bolster is their case. But I'm a little skeptical. It
says here. According to the complaint, Chrome Hearts notified Young's
team in July about the alleged trademark infringement, but the
band continued to tour under the banner and sell merchandise.
Through the lawsuit, Chrome Marts is now requesting that Neil
Young and the Chrome Hearts stop using the name. Pitchfork
has reached out to representatives for Neil Young and the
Cromarts and lawyers for Cromhart's LLC for comment. So there
you go. I don't really know what to make of
that one.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, I always thought it would be different
if it's a band, like how is it usually is banned?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 4: How is that confusing?
Speaker 9: Usually if it's make music, if it's completely different industry,
then then it usually doesn't end up mattering. But I
don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, does Chrome Hearts I don't know what kind
of bass?
Speaker 9: I doubt it. But maybe maybe they're trying to get
some money. Maybe they want maybe they'd like to make
a settlement where Neil Young pays X amount of money
to sort of license the name Chrome Hearts.
Speaker 4: Or are they doing this just to get more attention
onto their products? Because hey, it makes a great story.
That could be talking about it.
Speaker 9: That could be too Yeah, because I've never even heard
of Chromart's and you didn't say.
Speaker 4: Anything about them sewing for money.
Speaker 9: Interestingly, well they want them to stop using the name?
Speaker 4: Is there a cash requestion?
Speaker 9: There? There there may be a well, like I said,
I mean, if they can, if they can come to
a settlement, which these things often do. They they more
often settle than actually go to court. So they might
come to a settlement where they effectively license the name
Chrome Hearts to Neil Young it's silly, or or they
get a percentage of uh of of revenue generated from
Neil Young merchandise which has Chrome Hearts on.
Speaker 4: If I see Neil Young and the Crohnhearts up at
this new arena, I know that that I'm going to
be confused and go by clothing.
Speaker 9: Well that's the thing that would that would be Yeah,
that would be a good counter argument to the lawsuit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not like it's it, and it's not even
like they're not even promoting the name separately. It's with
Neil Young, So Neil Young and the Chrome Heart. Right,
it's not a separate name.
Speaker 9: Even right, if the band was simply called Chrome Hearts,
that would be.
Speaker 4: Well, even if they are, it's a band, it's not
a clothing designer. Yeah, unless their T shirts start making music.
I don't hear it, right, I think.
Speaker 9: I'm saying I'm not sure. I'm a little I I
usually draw a pretty fast conclusion with this stuff. I'm
a little I'm a little undecided. I'm uncertain of this. Yeah,
usually surprises me too. I usually see these things a
little bit more cut and dry.
Speaker 4: But I'm I think stupid.
Speaker 9: I'm not sure. I'm not sure on this one.
Speaker 4: I don't see anybody mixing up clothing with and and
the only merch they're selling is band related.
Speaker 9: So yeah, but there's but again from Cromart's position, see,
they're gonna argue, yeah, you're right, but what what what
kind of merch do you sell that's band related clothing?
T shirts, a T shirt st that's the argument they're
gonna use. It's not a whole product, it's you know,
it'd be one thing if they were just selling CDs,
you know, or something. But you're in the same industry,
you're selling merch. But see, but that's all but see that,
but that's the art. But they are, in a sense,
and that's the argument.
Speaker 4: The same industry. They're in music.
Speaker 9: Merchandising of clothing. That is the same. And if you're
in the music industry, you're in the merch you're in
the merchandise industry.
Speaker 4: You are follows brand clothing like a brand, which I don't,
but people who follow brand clothing don't confuse it with musicians.
They might get interested in a brand, but they're not
gonna confuse it. Oh, I thought you were selling T
shirts in here? Why are there so many drums? Like?
Come on, that doesn't happen. You don't go to the
T shirts, you don't go to Marshal's. Walk over to
the rack that's got chrome whatever here and look for
Neil Young. It doesn't work that way, right, I'm sorry,
I don't No, I hear you. Both of these stories
are to me today.
Speaker 9: I'm just a little bit. I'm just a little bit uncertain.
We're gonna have to follow that one closely as it
moves forward. No, let's see more to it than very curious.
Speaker 4: I'm missing or something.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm very curious to see how that ends up.
I don't see consumer confusion here. Well, no, but from
the from that statement from the lawsuit, it sounds like
cromart is saying, there's like confusion within the industry, within
the fashion industry, give me a break, because they're getting
orders from give me a break, I don't know.
Speaker 4: And they're getting orders from stupid people that don't know
the difference between a musician and clothing designers. I don't
think I'm sticking.
Speaker 9: To it all right, we dug in, we gotta go,
we gotta go. Jenny, you want to quickly plug the
event we're going to today and your website because you've
been up to a lot. Oh and you should mention
too in the Union Leader you're.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, check out yesterday's Union Leader. I have
an opt ed in there if you want to go
check it out. And we are going to be leaving
here and going to the Great North Aleworks on Whole
dav here in the Queen City for the pause and pints,
fundraising and just a party a fun come say hi
to us. They may greed ta because they have all
kinds of great beers. And of course this is raising
money that's staying here locally in New Hampshire to take
care of animals. And I'm really curious to see what
animal one and is gonna be pictured on the can
of beer when we get there, So we're gonna check
out that. And also just definitely check out the Mosaic
Are Collective, also located here in the Queen City. Check
out their website. Lots of great things coming up there
and as always you can find more information on me
and the trouble I get into Good Trouble at Gencoffee
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Speaker 9: And to keep up with everything I'm doing, my website
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the AF version, which is completely separate from the has
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do separate from the radio station. But on that version
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maybe are not suitable for the format of the radio
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Unleashed in your your podcast platform of choice, you can
you can also find the other version of the show
we just did one Thursday night with our friend Brandon LeMay,
which I suggest people check out, and also the other
podcasts that we have Going Hanging Left and Tough Bumps.
We'll have new episodes of those up soon as well,
so Matt connorton dot com. You can find all of
that there and thank you again. Of course. In the
first hour we had Larry and how do you say
his name? I don't want to mispronounce his name.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: We have the gentleman from Loud Entertainment here in the
first hour, Larie. I can't remember how to say his
name correctly. But they've got a big show tonight. They've
got a Godsmack and Metallica tribute show happening tonight at
Jewel if you want to check that out too, And
of course thank you. In the second hour, Matt Axton,
who will be at the Rex Theater right here in
Manchester on September twenty fourth. We had a great conversation
with him and so he'll be coming to Manchester. And
of course in the third hour we talked with Lydia. Ready,
thank you again, Lydia. We're actually gonna end the show today.
We're gonna play this again, her newest single, This is
called the Way We're Rolling. I love this very positive,
very cool and if you miss any part of today's show,
it will be up in just a little bit at
wmnhradio dot organ on my website Matt Connorton dot com.
And that's going to do it for us.
Speaker 4: For now.
Speaker 9: We're out here. We'll talk to y'all a little bit later.
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