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<v Speaker 1>Good evening, everybody, and welcome to another edition of The

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<v Speaker 1>Cajun Night Live. I am your host The Cajun Night

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob Mook, and uh. I do need to apologize if

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<v Speaker 1>I do sound like my I'm a bit easily right

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<v Speaker 1>now out of nowhere. The pollen has smacked me. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never had pollen allergies in my life, but today it

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<v Speaker 1>smacked me like a ton of bricks. I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>in a weird head fog at this moment. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm kind of on one. Before we started recording,

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of throwing some shade at you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Target and Starbucks and places that I just don't like frequenting.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's why I got a little extra you know,

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<v Speaker 1>gas in the tank on that one right now. Just

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm just kind of in that head fog.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, there's a couple of things going on

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<v Speaker 1>around the world, and I don't know if anybody has

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<v Speaker 1>brought any topics that they would like to bring up,

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<v Speaker 1>but just a few things that I saw that I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we just need to kind of talk about here.

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<v Speaker 1>Number One, what's going down in Yemen and how that

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<v Speaker 1>connects with Iran and how Trump pretty much told Iran, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>if you help the hoo thies your next you can

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<v Speaker 1>get these missiles as well. And then they like backed off.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Trump and Putin had a really good phone conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>like a two hour long phone conversation, which I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was actually a very positive thing, you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>breach some of those gaps, which hey, I'm here for

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<v Speaker 1>we're all trying to end the war. Allegedly, I I, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a thing. Then apparently both sides are claiming that

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<v Speaker 1>the other side is lying about what was said in

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<v Speaker 1>said phone conversation, and that's kind of weird too. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>they talked about like hockey somehow they got on the

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<v Speaker 1>topic of talking about sports, and we'll get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get into it right then. Let's see what else

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<v Speaker 1>we got going on here. Who these attempted to break

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<v Speaker 1>the eleventh Commandment? Now shot not touch America's fucking boats.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're finding out right now. It's a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and then a weird subaddendum. Apparently Brazil is cutting

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<v Speaker 1>down a section of the rainforest in order to make

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<v Speaker 1>way for a road to bring people to the climate

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<v Speaker 1>change summit they're hosting the jokes right themselves, everybody. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish this was a joke, but here we are. Alex

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<v Speaker 1>sends in the in the chat, I cast check engine light. Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie. That hits home with me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>My check engine light's been on for far too long,

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<v Speaker 1>and today that the motor started knocking extra hard, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, ugh, here we go. And it's the

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<v Speaker 1>card that I've been needing to trade in for like

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<v Speaker 1>two years, so I knew this day was gonna come.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also like, ugh, yeah, here we go. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole thing anyway. Anyway, all right, So before I

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<v Speaker 1>get into any of the stuff that I got that

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<v Speaker 1>articles and videos that got pulled up, if anybody has

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<v Speaker 1>anything that they have brought or that they want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about on any of the things religious or geopolitic

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<v Speaker 1>or boohrd or whatever else, by all means, feel free

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<v Speaker 1>to air them at this time. Or better yet, if

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<v Speaker 1>y'all have something that you want to share with the class,

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<v Speaker 1>drop the link in the chat and I'll be able

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<v Speaker 1>to pull it up or whatever the case may be.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, whatever y'all got, feel free.

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<v Speaker 2>Well here's one thing. There's lots of protests in Turkey

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<v Speaker 2>against Erdiwan, and I guess internet and media have been

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<v Speaker 2>cut off, and some people think that he's about to

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<v Speaker 2>be overthrown again, like in the coup that happened in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen I believe, which was unsuccessful. But who knows

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to replace them. Syrian girl thinks it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be some CIA back person, but other people think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be someone kind of to the right

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<v Speaker 2>of him, so to speak, in the Islamic political scene,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody more at he Israel than him. Let's see who

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<v Speaker 2>these I haven't really been keeping up on much of

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff, but yeah, we got stuff to get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, hold, I'm gonna look this up now. Turkey

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<v Speaker 1>is I didn't know they had these types of protests

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<v Speaker 1>going on now over air to one that's great and

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<v Speaker 1>in response to what, like what did he particularly do

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<v Speaker 1>to like sparkle of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know, but he's considered, you know, Israel's

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<v Speaker 2>a device was subject. Some people think he's not doing

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<v Speaker 2>enough to help the Palestinians. That's why, I gather is

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<v Speaker 2>the main complaint. One thing going on in Turkey is

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<v Speaker 2>that the Western half of the country is more liberal

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<v Speaker 2>and the eastern half is more Islamist yah, and the

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<v Speaker 2>western half's population has been declining in the eastern half

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<v Speaker 2>has been rising for decades, and demographically, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>going to force Turkey in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah, wow, let's get into it here. Actually home,

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<v Speaker 1>Before I do that, I got two more articles that

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<v Speaker 1>people have sent in, and I'm gonna pull up all right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Yemen one. We'll bring that over. Yeah, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>then uh, let me see. Royce just sent one in

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<v Speaker 1>that I need to pull up as well. Oh and

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<v Speaker 1>Zombie sent another one. Hold on, no AP news article

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey is simple. Yeah, I got that one pulled up. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually I'm not sure if I got the AP

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<v Speaker 1>one pulled up or no, I got your own news.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, I got that article. Oh, for the love

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<v Speaker 1>of help, Royce, what we got gut? Come on in

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<v Speaker 1>caves man, all right, I mean, why not? Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? All right? All right, all right, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>just get into it for everybody listening right now on

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<v Speaker 1>to get into all of the nitty gritty of the geopolitics,

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<v Speaker 1>the world talk, the religious talk, the pretty much everything

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<v Speaker 1>that we can't necessarily just dive all the way deep

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<v Speaker 1>into on the cult of conspiracy. We bring it here

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<v Speaker 1>to air it out. So if you would like to

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<v Speaker 1>free to do so. All right, I'm gonna go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and share the screen at this time and share sound.

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<v Speaker 1>So first one, I figure we start off with a

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<v Speaker 1>lighter note. Okay, I'm just gonna play a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of this clip here. This is from a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>habitual Line Cross or if anybody doesn't know him, I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot promote him enough. He's doing well enough on his own.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I'm you're wrong, but these are It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>series that he does with countries and geopolitics and planes

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<v Speaker 1>and shit like that. And I thought this was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're just gonna go ahead and play it at

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<v Speaker 1>this time.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, where is it all coming from?

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<v Speaker 4>Where is the commands. What do you mean it was

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<v Speaker 4>blown up? Well, where the fuck are my troops? We

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<v Speaker 4>need to fight back against the American oppression?

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<v Speaker 5>Where is ever her?

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<v Speaker 4>But they gone, what the fuck? What in the bloody

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<v Speaker 4>hell is going on over in Yemen?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just helping them work through some stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>I disclaimer at this point in time, the only thing

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<v Speaker 6>we know that's been used over there is F eighteen,

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<v Speaker 6>So so that character is going to be used here

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<v Speaker 6>in a second. But you know, as more news comes out,

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<v Speaker 6>we'll probably throw it into the lore. It's just right now,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't know a.

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<v Speaker 4>Yemen surprise motherfucker put out that fire over there?

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<v Speaker 3>What is the causualty counter right now? You don't know, America,

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<v Speaker 3>Fabia for me to tell you what you should be

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<v Speaker 3>doing in the Middle East. But they stopped shooting for

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<v Speaker 3>a little while, and we're just kind of waiting to

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<v Speaker 3>see what happened in Israel and Gaza. Why are you

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<v Speaker 3>tucking them now?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, they threatened to start again, and they kind of

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<v Speaker 7>broke one of the eleven commandments.

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<v Speaker 3>Eleven there are only ten.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh sorry, we modified it over here. Number eleven is

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<v Speaker 7>thou shalt not touch boats.

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<v Speaker 3>America. We will retaliate for this.

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<v Speaker 8>You have no idea what you have started over here

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<v Speaker 8>with the HOOTI rebels Iran.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to need some more munitions, I Ran, you

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<v Speaker 5>give them a bullet your fucking next. The other world

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<v Speaker 5>will not cower before your threats. America, the many people

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<v Speaker 5>are governed on their own accord, and I have no.

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<v Speaker 8>Control over them, nor do I support them. I will

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<v Speaker 8>not be intervening in this. Are you fucking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 6>Apparently somebody over there and I Ran just got a

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<v Speaker 6>hold that Google and kinda figured out what history told

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<v Speaker 6>them about touching America's fucking bouts. I also might have

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<v Speaker 6>sent them, I don't know, three terabytes of pictures of

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<v Speaker 6>praying manass praying Mantish, praying Manti.

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<v Speaker 3>How the fuck you plaraalize praying manas.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna do a throwback and modify line from The

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<v Speaker 7>Demolition Man Simon Phoenix, which is arguably Wesley Snipe's best role,

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<v Speaker 7>better than Blade in my opinion, fight me. I told everybody,

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<v Speaker 7>no one touches the boats. Iranians figured it out, the

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<v Speaker 7>Germans figured it out, the Japanese figured it out. But

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<v Speaker 7>the goddamn houthis just wouldn't listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. And I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was a great humorous way to kind of bring

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened here. So for anybody who doesn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna give a little backstory to it.

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<v Speaker 9>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The Yemenes Hoothi rebel fighters, terrorists, whatever you wanna call them,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided that they were gonna chill out with the

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<v Speaker 1>whole pirting and the whole stopping the international trade on

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<v Speaker 1>the waters for a minute, because there was a ceasefire

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<v Speaker 1>that was happening in Israel and the Gaza and the whole,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole shebang over there doing doing their things, gangsters

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<v Speaker 1>and all, and uh, they decided that they were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hold off to see how this these fire played out.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they decided not only to just say nah, never mind,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go for it. They decided to fire eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ballistic missiles at the USS Harry Truman, which is an

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft carrier which is supported by a fleet. Now none

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<v Speaker 1>of them hit. For the record, they're hooty rebels. They

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<v Speaker 1>literally can't hit the broad side of a barn at

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<v Speaker 1>their life depended on it. That's neither here nor there.

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<v Speaker 1>They attempted to touch America's boats, which I couldn't agree

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<v Speaker 1>more with. Habitual line crosser is kind of the eleventh

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<v Speaker 1>commandment of the world. Here, we America will intervene with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of shit that we really shouldn't get involved with.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be the first to admit we've done that before,

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<v Speaker 1>we will be doing it again. It's kind of our stick.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, the US Navy is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the sea police. I'm you know, like that, don't

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<v Speaker 1>like that. America shouldn't be the world police. Fine, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>have that conversation. I get it. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>it is only because of the United States Navy that

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<v Speaker 1>international free trade is able to go on to the

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<v Speaker 1>level that it does. Just I think that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much understood thing, and I'm not saying that just to

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<v Speaker 1>beat the chest of America here. That's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an understood mathematical fact at this point. So with that

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<v Speaker 1>each other's countries all you want. Touching America's boats is

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, yes, we have the joke. Oh Japan

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<v Speaker 1>get it, I get it. But all of that aside. Literally,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jefferson started this with the Barbary pirate situation, and

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<v Speaker 1>from that day forward, it's been understood, if you touch

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<v Speaker 1>America's boats, we destroy every member of your bloodline. Like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just what we do, right, And the Hoothies decided

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<v Speaker 1>to fire eighteen ballistic missiles at it. So let's just

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<v Speaker 1>give a quick little recap here. This is from USA today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only a little minute in two minute long video,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, this gives a pretty decent background to it.

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<v Speaker 1>The hooth these have gotten a few hell fire missiles

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<v Speaker 1>dropped on them, a few very strategic munitions, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>You'll have that whenever you have punk bitch terrorists that

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<v Speaker 1>whenever they're cornered, right, And that's the whole thing. Insurgents

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<v Speaker 1>that's all. That's the thing. Consistently throughout history and now

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<v Speaker 11>This morning, after the US launched a series of air

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<v Speaker 11>their backer Iran a new warning. NBC News White House

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<v Speaker 11>West Palm Beach, Amish, Good morning, Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Morning, hallie.

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<v Speaker 12>US warfighters were still carrying out these aerial attacks against

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<v Speaker 12>the Houthi rebels and Yemen when President Trump announced the operation.

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<v Speaker 12>It has killed at least thirty people, according to Huthi

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<v Speaker 12>officials in Yemen. Posting online, the President said the Houthis

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<v Speaker 12>have waged an unrelenting campaign of piracy, violence and terrorism,

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<v Speaker 12>and have choked off shipping in one of the most

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<v Speaker 12>important waterways in the world. Watching the air strikes from

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<v Speaker 12>his Florida home, the President also said he would use

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<v Speaker 12>quote overwhelming lethal force to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we also just take a minute and acknowledge not

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<v Speaker 1>only did our guy here call for airstrikes, he pulled

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying it anyway, Moving.

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<v Speaker 12>On, stop the houthy attacks on ships in the region.

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<v Speaker 12>He also warned Iran they would be held quote fully

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<v Speaker 12>accountable for hoothy actions, and this morning the vice president

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<v Speaker 12>of the WHO this told NBC News the group will

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<v Speaker 12>respond to the airstrikes with further escalation. On Saturday, President

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<v Speaker 12>Trump also was focused on threats here at home. He

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<v Speaker 12>invoked the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight to

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<v Speaker 12>target Venezuelan gang members. It's a rarely used wartime law

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<v Speaker 12>that was last implemented.

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<v Speaker 3>During World War II. The law could.

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<v Speaker 12>Allow him to remove unauthorized immigrants with little due process,

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<v Speaker 12>but late Saturday, a federal judge temporarily blocked the President

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<v Speaker 12>from using the Alien Enemies Act in that manner, and

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<v Speaker 12>also stopped deportation flights taking Venezuelans out of the country,

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<v Speaker 12>ordering them to return mid flight. The Justice Department, though,

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<v Speaker 12>has already appealed the judge's ruling.

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<v Speaker 11>Hallie Amy Schelson door in West Palm Beach, thank you, hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for watching it over out Roker. That guy needs

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<v Speaker 1>to retire, am I right man anyway, Yeah, fun things,

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<v Speaker 1>fun things. So the hoo Thighs are finding out the

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<v Speaker 1>hard way just to stop, just quit while you're ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for you to pay it in and then

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<v Speaker 1>Iran as habitual line cross are laid out quite comically,

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<v Speaker 1>I might add. But at the same time, the Huthis

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to their Iranian counterparts to ask for some

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<v Speaker 1>more munitions, and Trump straight up told Iran, listen, you

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<v Speaker 1>fuck around. You're gonna be the next one to find

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<v Speaker 1>out that there's no other way about this, Like we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're handling this. It's gonna get finished. We're done with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I ran backed off, which is very smart of them,

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<v Speaker 1>I might add, But uh, yeah, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>a wild time right now, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>So did they mention why the Houthis started blocking off

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Sea again, I didn't hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically it was because they they it stopped because

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<v Speaker 1>there was a ceasefire in Gaza and they were waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to see how that one played out. And then they decided,

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<v Speaker 1>never mind, while nobody's expecting anything, we're gonna go on

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive. And not just on the offensive on just

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<v Speaker 1>regular ships. We're gonna try to punch up at an

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<v Speaker 1>American aircraft carrier because that was wise decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My understanding is the CeaseFire's kind of falling apart,

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<v Speaker 2>and Israel launched a bunch of air strikes, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why the Houthie's decided to escalate from their own end

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<v Speaker 2>to block off the Red Sea. But I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>so many mentions of that. So basically, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>still revolving around Gaza right now in my.

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<v Speaker 1>Opinion, Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, let's read this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an Al Jazeera article. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>this was published I think today, oh, March seventeenth, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a couple of days ago. What's happening in Yemen?

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<v Speaker 1>A breakdown of the uthy US violence. The US killed

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<v Speaker 1>at least fifty three people according to reports. Hoo this

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<v Speaker 1>have responded with attacks on US warships, unsuccessful attacks. I

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<v Speaker 1>might add, a new crisis is brewing near one of

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<v Speaker 1>the world's most crucial shipping lanes, as the Yemen's Houthis

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States square off. I okay, ol Jazero.

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<v Speaker 1>Squaring off might be a bit of a reach. That

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<v Speaker 1>would imply that both sides stand some sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>chance here, I don't, okay, of course Al Jazeera would

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<v Speaker 1>be a little biased, but I digress. The US injured

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<v Speaker 1>and killed more than one hundred people in strikes and

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<v Speaker 1>Yemen on Saturday night, according to the Yemeny media and sources.

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<v Speaker 1>The Who's these claimed a response on a US warship

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday evening, and the US bombed Yemen again after that?

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<v Speaker 1>What led to this tit for tat? Okay again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly a tit for tat, but all right, who

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<v Speaker 1>started and what's the purpose? Here's what we know what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Yemen. The US has bombed Yemen for two

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<v Speaker 1>nights in a row, now, claiming to be targeting Hoothi leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>The results on the ground has been the death of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three people so far, including children. Nearly one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>other people have been injured in the attacks. Where were

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks? US attacks have hit Sanah Sanah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to pronounce that word. Saa, the capital city

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<v Speaker 1>controlled by the Houthi and it surrounds as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the northern government of Sadah and the port of Ho

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<v Speaker 1>de Hodida Ho Daida. Yeah. Sure, the US bombs Yemen

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<v Speaker 1>or for a second night. US warplanes have launched more

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<v Speaker 1>than forty seven air raids on multiple towns in Yemen

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<v Speaker 1>on the second night of strikes, targeting at least seven provinces,

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<v Speaker 1>as the death toll rises to fifty three. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're making very strategic strikes here. Who's being targeted? The

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<v Speaker 1>US officials say they are targeting hoo the leaders. The Houthis, however,

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<v Speaker 1>said children were among those killed and circulated photos of

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<v Speaker 1>the alleged victims. Okay, of course they're going to play

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<v Speaker 1>the cards of the camp. Trump strikes were very clearly

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<v Speaker 1>going after hoothy leadership and didn't seem to care if

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<v Speaker 1>any civilians got in the way. Nick Brumfield and Independent

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<v Speaker 1>Yemen Analysis told Al Jazeera the strikes in Sanaa targeted

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<v Speaker 1>a residential neighborhood known to house a lot of Hoothy leaders. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that would kind of make sense. Now, what

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<v Speaker 1>does the US want? The US says it will bomb

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<v Speaker 1>Yemen until the hooth stop, with President Donald Trump claiming

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<v Speaker 1>that the Houthis had quote targeted our troops and allies.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and his Defense Secretary PTE HeiG seth have also

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that the that Iran is behind the Hoothys' actions

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<v Speaker 1>and that it was now quote unquote on notice. US

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of State Mark Or Rubio announced he had coordinated

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks on Yemen with his Russian counterpart, Sergey Livrov. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a little joint joint commission here with the

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<v Speaker 1>How did the Hoothies hit back? The Houthis claimed two

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<v Speaker 1>attacks on the US aircraft carrier, the USS Harry S. Truman,

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<v Speaker 1>denied that any attack took place. The Houthis denounced the

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<v Speaker 1>US and the United Kingdom, which did not partake in

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<v Speaker 1>the actual bombing but helped with refueling. According to BBC,

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<v Speaker 1>HOOTHI spokeperson pledged retaliation for the US attacks. Once again.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's just sitting here watching the bombings go down on

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<v Speaker 1>the big screen. I mean that that kind of does

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<v Speaker 1>something to me. I like that. Why is Iran catching heat?

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<v Speaker 1>US officials claim Iran is heavily backing the Hoot the

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<v Speaker 1>activities in the Red Sea. Some claim the group is

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<v Speaker 1>an Iranian proxy. I don't think that's a claim. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a pretty much understood fact. But neither here

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<v Speaker 1>nor there, though many analysis have written reports for think

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<v Speaker 1>RAN's foreign minister A Boss, told the US government that

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<v Speaker 1>he has no authority or business dictating Iranian foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 1>In support for Israeli genocide and terrorism, he posted on

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<v Speaker 1>X stop killing, stop killing of Yemeni Yemeny people. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so What's guard did this? Here? We go here, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what we're talking about here. On March second, Israel

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<v Speaker 1>days later, Huthi chief Abeb bell ab del Malik al Huthi,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna go ahead and apologize now for these names.

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<v Speaker 1>I speak American English and I'm gonna butcher them. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Set A four day deadline. If Israel did not reopen

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<v Speaker 1>attacking Israeli link ships passing through the Bob Almandeb Straight

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<v Speaker 1>spokesperson Yaha Sarri e Sorry Sayr, a spokesperson named Yaha,

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<v Speaker 1>announced the resumption of the Houthis Red Sea operations against

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<v Speaker 1>as well as Bob Almandeb Straight. Sure. The Houthis have

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<v Speaker 1>been attacking ships connected to Israel since November of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>The attack stopped when the ceasefire was declared in Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>on January nineteenth, and the Hoothies complied. Quote. They did

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<v Speaker 1>Q nine, saying it was in Hodda Hodada airspace. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. But in terms of shipping, they've abided by

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<v Speaker 1>On March fourth, the Trump administration reapplied for the quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote foreign terrorist organization designation to the Hoothies about four

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<v Speaker 1>years after his predecessor, Joe Biden removed. It interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>We can't keep blaming the former administration, y'all. We got

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<v Speaker 1>to move forward to the future. So and anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know, there's a picture right here showing basically which

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<v Speaker 1>areas of Yemen are controlled by what group. They have

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<v Speaker 1>been in the middle of a civil war for hot

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<v Speaker 1>little minute now, and that's not new. The hooth these

417
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<v Speaker 1>have absolutely gotten a little more, a little more leg

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<v Speaker 1>room here in the more, you know, in the recent years,

419
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<v Speaker 1>and it's about time to put an end to that.

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<v Speaker 1>So what effect have the hooth the attacks had to date?

421
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<v Speaker 1>The Red Sea receives almost fifteen percent of global sea trade.

422
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<v Speaker 1>The hoot the attacks have forced much of that trade

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<v Speaker 1>to take much longer, more expensive routes around the southern

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<v Speaker 1>coast of Africa, raising insurance costs and affecting inflation rates globally.

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<v Speaker 1>The hoo these attacks have reportedly killed eight people and

426
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<v Speaker 1>wounded others. Most of their attacks have not resulted in casualties. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they just said they've killed people and then followed that

428
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<v Speaker 1>same sentence or I'm sorry second sentence. Most of their

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<v Speaker 1>attacks haven't resulted in casualties. But it's still sea pirate

430
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<v Speaker 1>type of things. There's all kinds of videos in them

431
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<v Speaker 1>boarding vessels and taking prisoners. But okay, will the Hoothies

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<v Speaker 1>be deterred by US attacks? The spokesperson are to believe

433
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<v Speaker 1>probably not, which makes sense. That's kind of how extremist

434
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<v Speaker 1>insurgency works. They don't really back down. The Houthi Supreme

435
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<v Speaker 1>Political Councils said they would not be deterred, but would

436
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<v Speaker 1>escalate the situation to a more severe and dire level.

437
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<v Speaker 1>Targeting civilians demonstrates America's inability to confront the situation. The

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<v Speaker 1>statement added. I would actually argue it does, in fact

439
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<v Speaker 1>show America's willingness to handle the situation. But I know

440
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<v Speaker 1>I'm a bit biased. In the past, the hooth these

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sea attacks and the subsequent US attacks on Yemen

442
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<v Speaker 1>only helped the group's ability to recruit fighters. Again, that

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<v Speaker 1>does tend to happen with insurgency groups. You know, you

444
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<v Speaker 1>kill one guy, now all of his cousins and uncles

445
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<v Speaker 1>are willing to join the cause to you know, yeah,

446
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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of how that works, to kind of like

447
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<v Speaker 1>get vengeance and all that. While these attacks may be

448
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<v Speaker 1>bigger than what the Houthi's previously experienced, there is little

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<v Speaker 1>sign they are willing to give in. Nazra din Amerr,

450
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<v Speaker 1>a Hoothy spokesperson, wrote on x our position is clear

451
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<v Speaker 1>and our demands is simple, lifting the siege on Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>and saving the people of Gaza from starvation. Okay, So

453
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<v Speaker 1>they're saying that if Israel doesn't release the the blockade

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<v Speaker 1>of resources, then they're going to continue the violence, and

455
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<v Speaker 1>that's really not working out well for them right now. Meanwhile, Iran,

456
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<v Speaker 1>as they were asking them for help, Iran's got their

457
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<v Speaker 1>own issues they're dealing with right now. This is an

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<v Speaker 1>article from last year and we don't have to read

459
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<v Speaker 1>all of it, but long story short, Iran's got a

460
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<v Speaker 1>bit of a water crisis going on. Like, they really

461
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<v Speaker 1>have issues in this regard and it is not getting

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<v Speaker 1>any better. More than eight hundred towns of villages, including

463
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<v Speaker 1>the capital of Tehran and the major city of Esfahan,

464
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<v Speaker 1>are at risk from land subsidence Iranian authorities say the

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<v Speaker 1>ground beneath Tehran sinks up to twenty two centimeters every year,

466
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<v Speaker 1>which is seven times higher than what would be normally expected.

467
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<v Speaker 1>The reason, experts say is the country's acute water shortage. Yeah,

468
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<v Speaker 1>it goes into the details as to the water shortage

469
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<v Speaker 1>and the house and the whys on this. But long

470
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<v Speaker 1>story short, Iran's got their own resources problems that they

471
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<v Speaker 1>really need to focus on before they start trying to

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<v Speaker 1>help out people on other fronts. But if I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't they just launch some some missiles into Israel not

474
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<v Speaker 1>too terribly long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I just looked this up earlier. They launched their

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<v Speaker 2>Fatah missile to Israel back in November and it did

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<v Speaker 2>hit something in the military target. I also wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>say thanks a lot for reading that Al Jazeera article.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's coming from the other side, but you

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<v Speaker 2>do a good job trying to be balanced. But I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to add some things that I think it left out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like it was written on March seventeenth. That

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<v Speaker 2>would have been Monday, and to give a timeline of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think what really provoked the attack on

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<v Speaker 2>the carriers on March fifteenth. That was this past Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>There were air strikes from the US in Yemen. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going off of Wikipedia right now. These air

488
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<v Speaker 2>strikes killed about fifty three people and wounded ninety eight

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<v Speaker 2>others in Tayez kaza Ibb, a whole bunch of other

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<v Speaker 2>places I'm not too familiar with.

491
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<v Speaker 1>I'm the only one that can pronounce that shit. That

492
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>makes me feel better anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the attacks on the USS Harry Truman started

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<v Speaker 2>March sixteenth on Sunday the next day, and they continued

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<v Speaker 2>March seventeenth and March eighteenth, and I think none of

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<v Speaker 2>them hit. I guess they don't have the good missiles

497
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<v Speaker 2>like Iran may have, and Iran doesn't want to step

498
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<v Speaker 2>up here. My only other comment is on the general

499
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<v Speaker 2>political alignment over there, the civil war in Yemen. They've

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<v Speaker 2>had civil wars going back almost a century, but the

501
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.440
<v Speaker 2>most recent one started in twenty fifteen. I forget the

502
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<v Speaker 2>guy's name, but Saudi Arabia backed one guy and he

503
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<v Speaker 2>was Sunni and the other big group the other half

504
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<v Speaker 2>of the country is called Zaidi Shia. They're like the

505
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<v Speaker 2>Shia in Iran, but the Shia in Iran believe in

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<v Speaker 2>twelve grandy moms, and the guys in Yemen only believe

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<v Speaker 2>in seven. And the Zaida Shia basically they're the Houthis,

508
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<v Speaker 2>and they basically won that war at tremendous costs because

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<v Speaker 2>there was basically starvation in Yemen in twenty fifteen to

510
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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen or so, and the Saudis couldn't dislodge them

511
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<v Speaker 2>from power, so they eventually called it off. That's my understanding,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Houthis are left with the majority of the

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<v Speaker 2>power in Yemen right now, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds about like what I've heard too, So okay, fair enough,

515
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<v Speaker 1>although I still like, of all the things you're going

516
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<v Speaker 1>to try to do, you're gonna attempt to slap box

517
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:06.119
<v Speaker 1>an American aircraft carrier and its entire fleet, Like I

518
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<v Speaker 1>don't I not even just saying because it's America, no,

519
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>but like, realistically the most powerful navy on Earth. I

520
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<v Speaker 1>didn't say the largest, because yes, China started making it

521
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 1>where every vessel that's quote unquote seaworthy is now a

522
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>naval asset. But whatever you want to call it, the

523
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.519
<v Speaker 1>undisputed most powerful navy on Earth, that's who you're gonna

524
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 1>come after. Like, I get if you're trying to hit Israel,

525
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.519
<v Speaker 1>or you're trying to hit some some vessels that have

526
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<v Speaker 1>it like flying an Israeli flag, or even like an

527
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 1>American cargo ship. Like, Okay, your chances that the odds

528
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>are in your favor here, big dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. Well, I feel like right after the attacks

530
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<v Speaker 2>on March fifteenth, the Hoothy government must have felt like

531
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>they needed to respond somehow or they'd lose all credibility,

532
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<v Speaker 2>even at the risk of escalating the war into a

533
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<v Speaker 2>lot more casualties and civilian casualties. Luckily, it looks like

534
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<v Speaker 2>there haven't been quite as many as that one day

535
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<v Speaker 2>on March fifteenth, But guys has got a lot of

536
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<v Speaker 2>casualties right now. I forget which day it was, but

537
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<v Speaker 2>within the last three days, I've heard somewhere between two

538
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<v Speaker 2>hundred and four hundred people have died in air strikes.

539
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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, much of the Arab world is really pissed

540
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<v Speaker 2>off about that, even though there's probably nothing guys that

541
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>can do to win. There's nothing the rest of the

542
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Arab the world can do right now. I don't know

543
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<v Speaker 2>what to do. It is just horrible.

544
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<v Speaker 1>It's a messy situation. I get that, and I know

545
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:38.559
<v Speaker 1>it's people look at it and they get way too

546
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>invested into it based off of whoever they politically align

547
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<v Speaker 1>with or whatever philosophical side they find to be more

548
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, in line with their own. Yes, it goes

549
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 1>back to the the was it November attacks? When did

550
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<v Speaker 1>the when did Hamas attack and take the prisoners?

551
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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to remember the October seventh, twenty twenty three. Yeah,

552
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>so that was a little over a year ago.

553
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<v Speaker 1>Right, And I know it goes back to that, And yes,

554
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I know it goes back to Moussad allowing it to

555
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>take place, and I know it goes back to who

556
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>propped up Amas in the first place, and then it

557
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 1>goes this, And yes, I get it. The situation has

558
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.599
<v Speaker 1>gotten just exponentially more difficult the deeper and deeper it got.

559
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<v Speaker 1>This is a full on insurgency and you can't just

560
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>end that so peacefully and with papers being signed. That's

561
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>that's never gonna work in this regard the Hoothies, and

562
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<v Speaker 1>like you said, the rest of the Arab world, not

563
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 1>just the Hoothies, The rest of the Arab world is

564
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>pissed off. I mean, yes, granted, oh they're pissed off

565
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Israel shocker. Nothing new there, I get it, but it

566
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>is to a level where it's not I don't even

567
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>see how there's going to be an end in sight

568
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>unless an outside source, and it doesn't have to be America.

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00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I hope it's not. As a matter of fact, I

570
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.359
<v Speaker 1>feel like there's gonna have to be some outside force

571
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>come in and like act as referee and say, you know,

572
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 1>blow the whistle and say, like the fight's over, you

573
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:00.759
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, ring the if you will, and

574
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>call it off. I don't know. I don't see this

575
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<v Speaker 1>ending any other way at this time anyway, Royce, I

576
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 1>think or no Zombie. I'm sorry you had your hand up.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh.

578
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<v Speaker 9>I was just looking at the article I and pretty

579
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 9>much it covered everything you guys talked about. But it

580
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 9>did confirm that like fifty three where he died and

581
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.559
<v Speaker 9>a hundred were injured, and among them were children. So

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<v Speaker 9>I was just looking at the article.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and I mean it hit a residential area where

584
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of HOOTHI leaders live, So yeah, that would

585
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of I'm not four children dying, especially those that

586
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 1>had no dog in the fight whatsoever. Children typically don't,

587
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 1>But you can only get so exact with air strikes.

588
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 1>And when you have insurgents that will hide amongst women

589
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and children, when a bomb goes off and it kills

590
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the women and children surrounding them, then everybody's gonna go

591
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>on and say, well, look at all the innocence that died. Yeah,

592
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>but how many bad guys did we get? Though? Like

593
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 1>that was the that was the point of the strike.

594
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<v Speaker 1>The point wasn't to hurt the innocence. Y'all hit amongst

595
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 1>the innocence as a way to try to shield yourselves,

596
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and then you yeah s, dirty tactics. Dirty tactics. Terrorists

597
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>have an issue with doing that, honestly, of all types

598
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>of terrorism, to be honest with you. But anyway, I

599
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>had this other video we could watch, but there's no

600
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>real need to it. We're kind of covering all the

601
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<v Speaker 1>basics on the hoothy situation at this time.

602
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<v Speaker 13>Uh.

603
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<v Speaker 1>Although before we move on to the next topic, if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody has anything else they would like to add into

605
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<v Speaker 1>the who the Israel Gaza conversation? Please now is the time? Excellent? Okay,

606
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<v Speaker 1>So moving on now that we've kind of gone into

607
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<v Speaker 1>a depressing vibe on this one, this one is kind

608
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<v Speaker 1>of depressing if you like, are one of the super

609
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<v Speaker 1>environmentalist types. Not throwing shade, I'm just saying and to

610
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<v Speaker 1>people who aren't necessarily this is moronic and hilarious at

611
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<v Speaker 1>the same time. This is a BBC article the Amazon

612
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<v Speaker 1>forest felled to build road for climate summit. Like out loud,

613
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody understands how we're tarded. That sounds right, like I'm

614
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 1>not alone reading that and just hearing the irity go

615
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>off here. So, a new four lane highway cutting through

616
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is

617
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<v Speaker 1>being built for the COP thirty Climate Summit in the

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<v Speaker 1>Brazilian city of Biline. It aims to ease traffic to

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<v Speaker 1>the city, which will host more than fifty thousand people,

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<v Speaker 1>including world leaders, at the conference in November. Because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the last time Brazil hosted a big event where people

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<v Speaker 1>from all over the world came, i e. The World Cup,

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<v Speaker 1>everything went so swimmingly right. If anybody has not seen

624
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<v Speaker 1>what happened to those stadiums or what happened to the

625
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>country's economy after they blew all that money on this,

626
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I highly highly recommend he go check it out. But anyway,

627
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<v Speaker 1>the state government tal it's the highways quote unquote sustainable credentials.

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<v Speaker 1>But some locals and conservationists are outraged at the environmental impact.

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<v Speaker 1>The Amazon plays a vital role in absorbing carbon for

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<v Speaker 1>the world and providing biodiversity, and many say that this

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<v Speaker 1>deforestation contradicts the very purpose of the Climate Summit. Well, yeah,

632
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<v Speaker 1>you don't say, you don't fucking say, bra and I

633
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<v Speaker 1>mean yeah, they say that the Amazon is like the

634
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<v Speaker 1>Earth's lungs, right, it takes in all the carbon dioxide

635
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and it exhales the oxygen for all of us to breathe,

636
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<v Speaker 1>and we now through whatever scientific lab studdy you want

637
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>to know. Yeah, it's actually the Amazon is not the

638
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>biggest producer of oxygen for the Earth. It's actually algae.

639
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Didn't know that up until recently. Algae from the sea

640
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:48.320
<v Speaker 1>actually does more for the oxygen content on Earth than

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon. But as far as the above ground above

642
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 1>land situation, yeah, the Amazon's critical for this. Along the

643
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>partially built road, lush rainforest towers on either side or

644
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of what was once there. Logs are piled high in

645
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the cleared land, which stretches more than thirteen kilometers or

646
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 1>eight miles through the rainforest into beline. Diggers and machines

647
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>carved through the forest floor, paving out wetland to surface

648
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the road, which will cut through a protected area. So

649
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 1>not only are the cutting through the rainforest, but they're

650
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 1>also going over like endangered wetlands and stuff. And they're

651
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.239
<v Speaker 1>just building a four lane highway straight through it all,

652
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>which is gonna be great for all the wildlife, all

653
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the flora and the fauna of the rainforests. This again,

654
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful, absolutely just genius things going on here. Claudio

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<v Speaker 1>Veriquette lives about two hundred meters two hundred meters from

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<v Speaker 1>where the road will be. He used to make an

657
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<v Speaker 1>income from harvesting a kai berry or isie berries from

658
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the trees that once occupied the space. He says everything

659
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.199
<v Speaker 1>was destroyed, gesturing at the clearing. Our harvest has already

660
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<v Speaker 1>been cut down. We no longer had that income to

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<v Speaker 1>support our family. He says. He has received no compensation

662
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 1>from the state government and is currently relying on savings. Yo.

663
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<v Speaker 1>So not only did they take this man's livelihood, but

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<v Speaker 1>they gave him absolutely nothing to help him along in

665
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>his struggles on this one and just basically tell him

666
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<v Speaker 1>to deal with it like whatever. You can't stop progress,

667
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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm slaying or whatever he says he

668
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<v Speaker 1>has received. I said that he worries the construction of

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<v Speaker 1>this road will lead to more deforestation in the future

670
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<v Speaker 1>now that the area is more accessible for businesses. You know,

671
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<v Speaker 1>I have to agree with him on that. Our fear

672
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<v Speaker 1>is a quote here. Our fear is that one day

673
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>someone will come here and say, here's some money. We

674
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>need this area to build a gas station or build

675
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.559
<v Speaker 1>a warehouse, and then we'll have to leave. We were

676
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 1>born and raised here in the community. Where are we

677
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 1>going to go? So look, that's your guy right here.

678
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>He's just been doing berry farming to support his family.

679
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Now that's just gone. His community won't be connected to

680
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the road given its walls on either side. And that's

681
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>another thing. So they're not just building this road, they're

682
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>building walls on either side of it. So like they're

683
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 1>absolutely just blocking this guy in his community in just

684
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:10.239
<v Speaker 1>because because this Climate Summit is so important that we

685
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 1>need to destroy a whole section of the rainforest about it.

686
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<v Speaker 1>You know, Oh, go ahead, Raven, I know for a

687
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 1>fact you have something away in on this one.

688
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<v Speaker 13>Oh.

689
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 9>I've been actually following it since it started, because it

690
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.199
<v Speaker 9>started last June is when they finally started pushing this

691
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 9>project through. And so far they've like there's like eight

692
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.559
<v Speaker 9>hundred species that they've already impacted between like every kind

693
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.480
<v Speaker 9>of conceivable and like the thing is is that what

694
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:41.519
<v Speaker 9>they're doing is is they actually want to make this

695
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.360
<v Speaker 9>a tourist thing. So it's not only that it's the

696
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:48.079
<v Speaker 9>highway that's being built, but they're also building hotels, they're

697
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 9>revamping the entire airport, and they're doing some stuff to

698
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.239
<v Speaker 9>be able to get cruise ships in and so like

699
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.119
<v Speaker 9>they're it's a whole it's a whole thing that's happening,

700
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.880
<v Speaker 9>and it's not just impacting just the rainforest, it's impacting

701
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 9>everything else. But their whole model it is is like, well,

702
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 9>it's bringing diversity in people here to help profit the locals,

703
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 9>and it's going to bring a lot of like you know,

704
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 9>good change and blah blah blah. And the meanwhile they're, oh,

705
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:19.519
<v Speaker 9>they're to accommodate the locals being upset, They're they're putting

706
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 9>in animal crossings every so much every so many miles

707
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 9>so that the animals somehow magically know right like they

708
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.360
<v Speaker 9>need to cross the road at that specific place. So yeah,

709
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 9>that's that's this whole thing that's going down. They fought

710
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 9>this for like over a decade, but I don't I

711
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 9>can never see the name of the place where the

712
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 9>other one was. But it's like at Baku is the location,

713
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.840
<v Speaker 9>but the I forget the country. But they had an

714
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 9>oil and gas thing, and the last time one of

715
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 9>the big summits was held there, they pretty much like

716
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 9>devastated the entire area. Came and had their summit, and

717
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 9>then they left and it like destroyed a whole bunch

718
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 9>of land around on it. And they're like, uh, it'd

719
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<v Speaker 9>be fine.

720
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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely believe this the whole all right. The wildlife

721
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.079
<v Speaker 1>crossings that are built in over these roads and stuff. Look,

722
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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the diagrams of how they're supposed to work,

723
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 1>and to a human mind, that sounds genius, right, It

724
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 1>sounds like something that clearly will work, except for the

725
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>fact that animals are gonna do what animals are gonna do,

726
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.039
<v Speaker 1>and you can't train wildlife to go over certain areas,

727
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 1>so all that's gonna do is rec shop even worse.

728
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<v Speaker 1>And then I mean, they're building walls on either side

729
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 1>of this highway, so perhaps that will keep certain animals out,

730
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>but that's more of the larger animals. The Amazon has

731
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<v Speaker 1>so many, the rainforest has so many types of animals.

732
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<v Speaker 1>There's no way that these walls are gonna keep them

733
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.159
<v Speaker 1>all out. So now we're just gonna have this highway

734
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.519
<v Speaker 1>through the rainforest with dead animals all up and down It.

735
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Probably a lot of endangered species, let's be honest. And

736
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<v Speaker 1>if they're not now, they will be soon. Time will tell.

737
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<v Speaker 1>And all of that because a bunch of people from

738
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:06.079
<v Speaker 1>around the world want to choose a destination right to

739
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 1>have this climate summit. That's the most ridiculous shit ever

740
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 1>hurt in my life. And then all right, if you're

741
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 1>doing it for the tourists to eat thing, and I

742
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 1>could even understand that to a certain regard, but not

743
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.360
<v Speaker 1>through the rainforest. If you're gonna bring in tourism to

744
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 1>showcase the rainforest, there's got to be a better way

745
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.639
<v Speaker 1>than building a four lane highway through it. And I mean, yeah,

746
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 1>the cruise ships that are stopping off in Brazil, they're

747
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 1>stopping off in Rio. You know, I don't know. I

748
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.039
<v Speaker 1>can't see this playing out positively for the the already

749
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:43.599
<v Speaker 1>seriously critically endangered and getting more endangered every day. Flora

750
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and fauna of the rainforest. But yeah, this is what's

751
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 1>happening here. Like Raven said, we go on. The quote says,

752
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.440
<v Speaker 1>for us who live on the side of the highway,

753
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>there will be no benefits. There will be no benefit.

754
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.280
<v Speaker 1>There will be benefits for true that will pass through.

755
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 1>If someone gets sick and needs to go to the

756
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.039
<v Speaker 1>center for believe, we won't be able to use it.

757
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 1>So basically, they're walling in this guy's community to make

758
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 1>way for the highway, and they're not even gonna have

759
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 1>access to the same medical conditions facilities that they've had

760
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>for a good long while. The road leaves two disconnected

761
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.639
<v Speaker 1>areas of protected forests. Scientists are concerned it will fragment

762
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the ecosystem and disrupt movement of wildlife. And here we go,

763
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Raven was on it. Professor Silvia Sardina is a wildlife

764
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.320
<v Speaker 1>vet and researcher at the University Animal Hospital that overlooks

765
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.119
<v Speaker 1>the site of the new highway. She and her team

766
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 1>rehabilitate wild animals with injuries predominantly caused by humans and

767
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 1>vehicles once they release them back into the wild. Something

768
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>she says will be harder if there's a highway on

769
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 1>their doorstep. Yeah, I could imagine. So from the moment

770
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<v Speaker 1>of deforestation, there is a loss. We are going to

771
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>lose an area to release these animals back into the wild,

772
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the natural environment of these species. She said, land animals

773
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.840
<v Speaker 1>will no longer be able to cross the other side,

774
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to reducing areas where they can live and breed. The

775
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Brazilian President and environmental minister says this will be a

776
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 1>historic summit because it is a cop in the Amazon

777
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and not a cop about the Amazon. Again, seems like

778
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 1>some conflicting ideologies from my layman's perspective here. The president

779
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 1>says the meeting will provide an opportunity to focus on

780
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the needs of the Amazon, show the forest to the world,

781
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and present what the federal government has done to protect

782
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:42.400
<v Speaker 1>it as they tore it down to build a highway.

783
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<v Speaker 1>That's brilliant, brilliant. But Professor Sardina says that while these

784
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.360
<v Speaker 1>conversations will happen quote at a very high level among

785
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:55.000
<v Speaker 1>business people and government officials, those living in the Amazon

786
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:59.199
<v Speaker 1>are not being heard like look at this, this is

787
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>like it's not like this is like just on this

788
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.280
<v Speaker 1>little outskirts section here. They have a map pulled up here.

789
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 1>If anybody wants to see it again, come to the

790
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Cajuni on Patreon linked in the description below. They're cutting

791
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it right down the middle of it. This is ridiculous, Raven,

792
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

793
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 9>See you have to remember that Big Pharma's representatives are

794
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.440
<v Speaker 9>a part of the cop And what's interesting about the

795
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 9>Amazon is there's multiple tribes within the Amazon that have

796
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.519
<v Speaker 9>properties plants that they've used for you know, a generations

797
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:37.280
<v Speaker 9>there that allow them to pretty much strive off any

798
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:41.880
<v Speaker 9>type of cancer and through if they're able to get

799
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:45.079
<v Speaker 9>like their foothold there, they already can buy up the

800
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.800
<v Speaker 9>plants and put patents on them and take them from

801
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 9>these people anyways without any compensation and like take over

802
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 9>their entire village. But it'd be easier if they had

803
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 9>more of a foothold there. So this whole thing about

804
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.199
<v Speaker 9>like business people coming, I'm sure there are. I'm sure

805
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 9>there is something else there that they're looking at as well,

806
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 9>because there's lots of stuff that's been untapped that's in

807
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 9>the Amazon. So just a weird conspiracy about it.

808
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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I don't believe that's an unfounded thought honestly.

809
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, big Pharma is absolutely a mixture in here,

810
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>but I mean so is a logging conglomerates that have

811
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>been tearing down the rainforest strictly for the lumber. The

812
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 1>farming conglomerates that what was that thing that they were

813
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>doing a couple of years back, and I think they're

814
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>probably still doing it. The cows, Well, they were cutting

815
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 1>down sections of the rainforest in order to use the

816
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:42.920
<v Speaker 1>land for agriculture, right, But then they didn't realize because

817
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.519
<v Speaker 1>apparently no one there knows how to take a fucking

818
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>soil sample, and they found out way too late that hey,

819
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:54.639
<v Speaker 1>the Amazon rainforest is really not good soil for agriculture.

820
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that grows well there is the jungle.

821
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>And so Brazil had to go through and pay for

822
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 1>the process of clearing and stripping the land. Then they

823
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.920
<v Speaker 1>had to pay to have the dirt dug up and removed.

824
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<v Speaker 1>Then they had to pay to have good fertile top

825
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.079
<v Speaker 1>soil brought in. But because of monocropping, it's like every

826
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<v Speaker 1>year or two they have to do the same process

827
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<v Speaker 1>of removing the good soil that's no longer good and

828
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Speaker 1>doing it again. So it's it has been a complete

829
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>NonStop loss after loss after loss. Every time they try

830
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 1>to do anything with the Amazon, it backfires for everyone involved,

831
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>but they're still just getting after it. I don't understand

832
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 1>it personally, but yeah, so that's Brazil for you. The

833
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 1>state government of parah Peae, I don't know what the

834
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.679
<v Speaker 1>little apostrophe going that direction on a max I don't

835
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.679
<v Speaker 1>speak Portuguese, had tilted the idea of this highway, known

836
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:55.280
<v Speaker 1>as Avanda Liberdad. Yeah, as early as twenty twelve, but

837
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 1>it had repeatedly been shelved because of environmental concerns. Now

838
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a host of it for structure projects have been resurrected

839
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.599
<v Speaker 1>or approved to prepare the city for the COP summit.

840
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Older Sylvieira Sure, the state government's infrastructure secretary, listed this

841
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:14.079
<v Speaker 1>highway as one of thirty projects happening in the city

842
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to prepare and modernize it so we can have a

843
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.960
<v Speaker 1>legacy for the population and more importantly serve people for

844
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:27.360
<v Speaker 1>the COP thirty in the best possible way. That more

845
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:32.800
<v Speaker 1>of one of thirty projects happening now that just instills

846
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 1>inspiration in me here. Speaking to the BBC, he said

847
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 1>it was a quote unquote sustainable highway and an important

848
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:47.679
<v Speaker 1>mobility intervention. I think that there might be a language

849
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:52.199
<v Speaker 1>issue here, honestly, and I'm not trying to be rude.

850
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that their definition of sustainable and our definition

851
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.199
<v Speaker 1>of sustainable must be very very different. There must be

852
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>a weird English to Portuguese translation error here. I'm not

853
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:11.199
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent but that they think sustainable, we think detrimental.

854
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're yeah, I don't know, we're very

855
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 1>far off here in definitions, obviously, he added, like Raven

856
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>was saying earlier. He added that it would have wildlife

857
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:26.760
<v Speaker 1>crossings for animals to pass over bike lanes, and solar lighting,

858
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 1>solar lighting in the Amazon. Okay. Sure. New hotels are

859
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.239
<v Speaker 1>also being built, and the port is being redeveloped so

860
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 1>cruise ships can dock there to accommodate excess visitors. Raven,

861
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:45.000
<v Speaker 1>once again, you are on the money. Brazil's federal government

862
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 1>is investing more than eighty one million dollars US and

863
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't is that a euro. I think it's a

864
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:54.360
<v Speaker 1>euro sixty two million euro to expand the airport capacity

865
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 1>from seven to fourteen million passengers, a new five hundred

866
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.760
<v Speaker 1>thousand square meter city park. Not gonna try to pronounce

867
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that is under construction. It will include green spaces, restaurants,

868
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.519
<v Speaker 1>a sports complex, and other facilities for the public to

869
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:17.400
<v Speaker 1>use afterwards. Because you know what, the Isie Berry farmer

870
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 1>that we got a quote from earlier, You know what,

871
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>he really wanted green spaces and a sports complex. That's

872
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>what he thought his community was lacking in his section

873
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:35.840
<v Speaker 1>of the rainforest. That's brilliant, oh man. Some business owners

874
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:40.159
<v Speaker 1>in the city's vast open air vero passo, vera peso

875
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.559
<v Speaker 1>mark excuse me, agreed that this development will bring opportunities

876
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.960
<v Speaker 1>for the city. The city as a whole is being

877
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.480
<v Speaker 1>improved and it is being repaired, and a lot of

878
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.280
<v Speaker 1>people are visiting from other places. It means I can

879
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.599
<v Speaker 1>sell more and earn more, says Dalcy Cardoza Da Silva.

880
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Jesus who runs a leather shoe stall, Well yeah, he's

881
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna make money. He's gonna make my orithulis he thinks.

882
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.480
<v Speaker 1>So like, I'm sorry, people are not gonna be coming

883
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to this summit to buy your shoes, bro, They're getting

884
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.639
<v Speaker 1>their shoes shipped to them from like La, from like

885
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Rodeo drive. All of the rich, swanky people that's coming

886
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to this event. Are not gonna buy leather shoes from

887
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:20.320
<v Speaker 1>a local shop. They're probably coming with their shoes and

888
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:24.199
<v Speaker 1>their luggage. I could be wrong, but sure, sure, I mean,

889
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 1>in some way, I guess he's hopeful. He says this

890
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Speaker 1>is necessary because when he was young, Balen was beautiful,

891
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 1>well kept, well cared for, but it has since been

892
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:40.400
<v Speaker 1>abandoned and neglected with little interest from the ruling class.

893
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 1>So this beautiful, well kept, and well cared for Amazonian

894
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:53.320
<v Speaker 1>city really needed a modernization facelift because the ruling class

895
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden cares for the inhabitants. Yeah that okay,

896
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:04.119
<v Speaker 1>out loud. I couldn't even okay, while Ohio, oh wait,

897
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 1>this is Portuguese, so that jay is actually like an

898
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:06.679
<v Speaker 1>r noise.

899
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the equivalent to Juan.

900
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you. I was like, I'm like, that's got

901
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:14.679
<v Speaker 1>to be like a wand right. I see the India,

902
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's over at a Portuguese and Spanish. You would

903
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 1>think there'd be a little more of like a left

904
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to right crossover here. They are so vastly different but

905
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 1>also so similar in so many ways. But anyway, uh,

906
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Trinidad da Silva, how about that da Silva, who sells

907
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Amazonian herbal medicines in the market, acknowledges that all construction

908
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 1>work can cause problems, but he felt the future impact

909
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 1>would be worth it. Hmm. Now that's kind of to

910
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Raven's point earlier. Somebody who actually sells Amazonian herbal medicines

911
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:52.480
<v Speaker 1>in the local market. He's not happy about it, but

912
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 1>he's also seeing potential dalla dolla bills out of it,

913
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 1>so he's kind of leaning more towards it. Okay, we

914
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.760
<v Speaker 1>hope the discussions aren't just on paper and become real

915
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:07.679
<v Speaker 1>actions and the measures, the decisions taken really are put

916
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 1>into practice so that the planet can breathe a little better,

917
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 1>so that the population will uh, the population in the

918
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 1>future will have a little cleaner air. All right, again

919
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:21.320
<v Speaker 1>out loud, you're hoping that the future population will breathe

920
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:24.039
<v Speaker 1>a little better as they are tearing down the rainforest

921
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:30.159
<v Speaker 1>and building through the wetlands. It seems very counterproductive to me. Again,

922
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm not an expert in environmental sustainability. I know some

923
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 1>people that are, and this just sounds really stupid. This

924
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 1>is about like when Bill Gates cut down all those

925
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>trees in Oregon just to bury them to help global

926
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 1>warming somehow, and there was never any actual scientific justification

927
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to show why he was doing this or what his

928
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 1>plan was. Just cut down miles of trees, don't burn them,

929
00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 1>don't turn them into molts, don't turn them into lumber.

930
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Did we then need to get diesel engines to dig

931
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.400
<v Speaker 1>out holes and bury these trees in the ground because

932
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 1>the world, the mother Earth needs it? And that's a

933
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 1>thing that they did. Side you know here it is

934
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 1>scrutiny is growing over whether flying thousands of them across

935
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the world and the infrastructure required to host them is

936
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:24.199
<v Speaker 1>undermining the cause. Yeah, I would think so, I would

937
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 1>think so. So Okay, moving on from the Amazon Wait,

938
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I just clicked out of this, I thought, did I

939
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 1>exit out of something else?

940
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:37.079
<v Speaker 8>Uh?

941
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, Well, before we get on to the next

942
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:42.599
<v Speaker 1>topic here, does anybody have anything else they would like

943
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to talk about as far as the Amazonian sustainability situation? Okay, excellent, excellent,

944
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Moving on now, and Tony, I wanted to get your in,

945
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.079
<v Speaker 1>in particular your opinion on some of the things going

946
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:03.000
<v Speaker 1>on with Russia and Zelenski and Trump and all of

947
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:06.360
<v Speaker 1>all of the stuff that's going on here recently, because

948
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 1>We have heard multiple times Putin and the Russian government

949
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 1>say they don't want any NATO country backing Ukraine. That's

950
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.239
<v Speaker 1>that's their big thing. They want less NATO intervention. That's

951
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:25.079
<v Speaker 1>that's been their thing. Cool. Australia is not a NATO member.

952
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.679
<v Speaker 1>And then Australia offered to help and intermediate some of

953
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.639
<v Speaker 1>these are excuse me, intermediate mediate some of these ceasefire

954
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:35.480
<v Speaker 1>agreements because Russia didn't want a NATO country to be

955
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the mediator because it would send a little more of

956
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.280
<v Speaker 1>a sway in the opposite of Russia direction. And of

957
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:44.880
<v Speaker 1>course NATO members don't want Russia to be the mediator

958
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of these conversations. Everybody's not wanting to be on the

959
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 1>underside of the deal. Australia offered their services and Russia

960
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.960
<v Speaker 1>basically told them that if they were to continue these

961
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.360
<v Speaker 1>types of conversations there would be grave consequences. What did

962
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Australia to piss off Putin?

963
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have no idea, and I see this from

964
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the tenth but Russia must still be suspicious of Australia

965
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 2>because they're part of the Five Eyes network with England

966
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.199
<v Speaker 2>in the UK. I'm just speculating here, but Russia just

967
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:21.199
<v Speaker 2>obviously does not trust Australia to be neutral enough or

968
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:25.000
<v Speaker 2>pro Russian enough. That's what it looks like to me.

969
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 1>This makes sense. They are part of the British Commonwealth,

970
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:30.000
<v Speaker 1>So okay, I.

971
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Think Russia, Russia would trust China, Russia would trust probably

972
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 2>a handful of other countries. But they just don't think.

973
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.360
<v Speaker 2>But no, I don't think Australia is good enough.

974
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt. Here's the in short of it.

975
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 1>We don't have to read the whole article. Russia told

976
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.039
<v Speaker 1>the Australia there will be grave consequences if it puts

977
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 1>boots on the ground in Ukraine as part of a

978
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Western peacekeeping operation proposed by the UK Prime Minister. Prime

979
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Minister Anthony Albanese has left open the possibility of an

980
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Australian troops joining a coalition of the willing in the

981
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.760
<v Speaker 1>war torn country to enforce any peace deal broker between

982
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Russia and Ukraine. Opposition leader Peter Dutton has rejected the idea.

983
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Now that's another thing I didn't understand. I thought that

984
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 1>we were like on the cusp of a ceasefire agreement

985
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:24.800
<v Speaker 1>being made. Zelensky was playing hardball. So America had to

986
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:29.079
<v Speaker 1>turn off the faucet of resources and intel. Zelensky went

987
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.679
<v Speaker 1>to Europe and tried to beat the streets to get

988
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.880
<v Speaker 1>some more support over there, and then realize like, yeah,

989
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.800
<v Speaker 1>he's getting more thoughts in prayers than he's getting actual

990
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:41.159
<v Speaker 1>support and hardware, and so he's like, okay, hey America,

991
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 1>I'll play ball your way. We're here. So America turned

992
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.559
<v Speaker 1>back on the faucet. Cool cool, Cool With that, Ukraine

993
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 1>started striking Moscow. I heard something like fifty different drone

994
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:56.519
<v Speaker 1>attacks that happened in Moscow and like a one night ordeal.

995
00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:57.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

996
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.760
<v Speaker 2>I read that too. It was in response to Russian

997
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:05.079
<v Speaker 2>advances and Cursk, Russia's pretty much got cursed back. Suju

998
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:06.280
<v Speaker 2>was the last big city.

999
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 1>But that's the other thing I'm hearing more about the

1000
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Cursk situation. Russia and pretty much everybody else on Earth

1001
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 1>is acknowledging that the Ukrainian fighters that are there are

1002
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:18.719
<v Speaker 1>completely surrounded and cut off right now Ukraine II, z

1003
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Zelensky is saying, no, they're not. It's totally not what's

1004
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>happening right now. It's like, bro, hold one, look at

1005
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the map. They are cut off. It's time for you

1006
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to at least acknowledge either A they're gonna get slaughtered

1007
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 1>or be try to make an evacuation for them. No, dude,

1008
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.239
<v Speaker 1>they're fine. They're totally still in it. And it's like brah,

1009
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.760
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, yeah, So I saw the drone attacks and

1010
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Moscow's got all these things on fire and these explosions

1011
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and all this shit. Cool, that's how war goes. And

1012
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:49.679
<v Speaker 1>then Trump and Putin apparently before the phone call had happened,

1013
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>it was time for the ball was in Putin's court.

1014
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:54.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what we heard from all the news sources and

1015
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 1>all the stuff, and Putin kind of seems like he

1016
00:57:57.800 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was getting ready to go for a ceasefire. He said

1017
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 1>he was then out right through up middle fingers and said, nope,

1018
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.039
<v Speaker 1>we're not stopping until we set get what we set

1019
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:08.880
<v Speaker 1>out for. And it's like, what did you set out for?

1020
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.119
<v Speaker 1>And I guess Ukraine as a.

1021
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Whole, Oh, Ukraine as a whole now probably just the

1022
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:18.320
<v Speaker 2>entirety of the disputed regions. So they got all a

1023
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Lukansk now, but Harson, Zaporojia and don Yets they only

1024
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.599
<v Speaker 2>have maybe two thirds of most of those. And I've

1025
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.679
<v Speaker 2>seen news of a lot more Russian strikes on the

1026
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 2>parts that they don't have, including strikes in places like Odessa,

1027
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Mikliev and a few others I don't remember that are

1028
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:43.840
<v Speaker 2>not not actually disputed. But yeah, Russia, Russia seems to

1029
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 2>have escalated, and I'm disappointed in this whole situation, but

1030
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:50.599
<v Speaker 2>I think if we give it time, we give it

1031
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:54.360
<v Speaker 2>another couple of weeks, things might quiet down again. The

1032
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 2>war on the Hole. In my opinion, it's been going

1033
00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.199
<v Speaker 2>on slightly over three years now and it is reaching

1034
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:03.079
<v Speaker 2>its natural end, and so it'll just things take a

1035
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.800
<v Speaker 2>lot longer than I'd like them too, But I think

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00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.079
<v Speaker 2>that we will have a peace agreement and it will

1037
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:12.960
<v Speaker 2>be something. There will be a new border close to

1038
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:16.559
<v Speaker 2>where the current front line is, if not even slightly

1039
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:20.679
<v Speaker 2>further west of where it currently is. So we just

1040
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.559
<v Speaker 2>have to give it time and eventually it'll happen. It's

1041
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Speaker 2>still taken longer than i'd like it too, but I

1042
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:29.519
<v Speaker 2>think it'll happen in the next two months or so.

1043
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Just to be arbitrary, now, what is this something here?

1044
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:34.599
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if you would know anything on

1045
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 1>this or not. I don't have any articles pulled up

1046
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 1>on it. I saw a report earlier, and again it's like,

1047
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:42.599
<v Speaker 1>you really have to test the source on some of these,

1048
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:46.719
<v Speaker 1>because I see one article saying that there is thousands

1049
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.440
<v Speaker 1>of fighters from all over the world coming to join

1050
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:52.280
<v Speaker 1>the Ukrainian Foreign Legion as we speak, like they've just

1051
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.199
<v Speaker 1>got a whole new wave of recruits out of nowhere,

1052
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Like that's just happening. It's like, all right, is it the.

1053
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I've heard of mercenaries going there for the duration of

1054
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 2>this war, They've always been pretty few in number. I'm

1055
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:11.079
<v Speaker 2>not surprised that there's still some people going there, some

1056
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 2>men going there who just love war and want to

1057
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 2>gain its experience, and this is the place to do it.

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01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's going to make a hell of

1059
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of difference. Also, I thought about what you

1060
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.960
<v Speaker 2>were telling you were saying last week, arguing about why

1061
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:27.920
<v Speaker 2>would Russia try to take Kiyev and Butcha early on

1062
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.920
<v Speaker 2>in the war, and how would that How does that

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01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:38.400
<v Speaker 2>because right right those are hostile regions, And I thought, well,

1064
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.599
<v Speaker 2>it's a little similar to how the Battle of Gettysburg

1065
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and the Civil War took place way up north in Pennsylvania,

1066
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:48.440
<v Speaker 2>And you could argue that see that means the South

1067
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:52.719
<v Speaker 2>was not the defense. They were more of an aggressor

1068
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:57.039
<v Speaker 2>in that situation. But you could also say that Russia's

1069
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:00.519
<v Speaker 2>invasion of Germany in nineteen forty five, Oh, that's not

1070
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.159
<v Speaker 2>self defense. They should have just stopped right where the

1071
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:06.400
<v Speaker 2>border started, but they just don't go that way. So

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01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I think you can't extend past the border, and it's

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01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a little harder to make a self defense argument. But

1074
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.360
<v Speaker 2>these things are all kind of fluid and subjective anyway.

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01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:19.760
<v Speaker 1>War kind of goes like that, And I get this

1076
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.480
<v Speaker 1>right one hundred percent, but now, and I'm not trying

1077
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.400
<v Speaker 1>to take the side of the Confederacy here, I do

1078
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:29.280
<v Speaker 1>think that is if you really look at it, I

1079
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:35.559
<v Speaker 1>understand it was about states' rights, but the main encompassing thing, yes,

1080
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.440
<v Speaker 1>taxation without representation was a part of it. All these things,

1081
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Speaker 1>it was more or less slavery being a pretty big

1082
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:46.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe not the main, but at least a very major

1083
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:50.559
<v Speaker 1>sticking point for it. The South seceeded peacefully. It was

1084
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.280
<v Speaker 1>only when the North attacked them in the South then

1085
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:56.639
<v Speaker 1>the South decided to take up arms against them. So

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01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:00.039
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't that case for self defense. And I'm I

1087
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:03.639
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I agree. I could be wrong. I don't

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01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:09.159
<v Speaker 1>believe that Ukrainian forces attacked Russian forces to kickstart this.

1089
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I could be.

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01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Wrong, Okay. My take on it is that Ukrainian forces

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01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:21.199
<v Speaker 2>were attacking the dun Yetsk and Lugansk People's republics, which

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01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:24.440
<v Speaker 2>were established but not recognized by any other country in

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01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 2>the world. And they didn't even take up all of

1094
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 2>the current space that you would color in on the

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01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.440
<v Speaker 2>map as those places. They were kind of pressed into

1096
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:38.639
<v Speaker 2>the eastern corner of those oblasty And the reason this

1097
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:42.920
<v Speaker 2>happened was because Kiev thought in twenty twenty two that man,

1098
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.400
<v Speaker 2>we've had enough of this civil war. We should just

1099
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:48.599
<v Speaker 2>crush him right now. And that was why for about

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01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:53.239
<v Speaker 2>two weeks leading up to February twenty fourth, twenty twenty two,

1101
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.519
<v Speaker 2>you just saw a build up on both sides, and

1102
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:01.639
<v Speaker 2>you saw increasing numbers of bombs dropping on these breakaway republics,

1103
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 2>and Russia knew for sure that, yeah, Kiev's gonna win

1104
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:11.360
<v Speaker 2>this unless we intervene, and our people are demanding we intervene.

1105
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:16.559
<v Speaker 2>The public opinion within Russia was very very much against

1106
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Ukraine before the war started, So you know, how do

1107
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.320
<v Speaker 2>you how do you go against that, and Putin did

1108
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 2>go against those opinion polls back in twenty fifteen when

1109
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the question was on the table to annex these breakaway republics,

1110
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:36.440
<v Speaker 2>he said, no, you know, yeah, yeah, you're right. He

1111
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:39.360
<v Speaker 2>did take Crimea, but he felt like the other two

1112
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:43.039
<v Speaker 2>breakaway republics would be kicking the Western hornets nest a

1113
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:47.920
<v Speaker 2>little too many times. So he went against the judgment

1114
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:52.719
<v Speaker 2>of maybe sixty percent of his country to you could say,

1115
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:57.039
<v Speaker 2>appease the West, if I'm gonna use a loaded term.

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01:03:57.639 --> 01:03:59.679
<v Speaker 2>And I think he was trying to get along and

1117
01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:03.719
<v Speaker 2>it was not reciprocated throughout the lifetime of the Minsk agreements.

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01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.119
<v Speaker 2>So I think he was right to do what he

1119
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:08.280
<v Speaker 2>did in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's point one other thing that I again,

1121
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I had to like test the source. And I do

1122
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:16.679
<v Speaker 1>not know if this is a actual concern or if

1123
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:18.480
<v Speaker 1>this was some clickbaity shit or.

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<v Speaker 10>What allegedly Big Big italicized allegedly Russia Ai Putin is

1125
01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 10>nervous that China is gonna try to invade and take Siberia.

1126
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:40.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how substantiated those claims are. I do

1127
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.079
<v Speaker 1>know that there is a bit of a border dispute

1128
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:45.679
<v Speaker 1>in certain areas between China and a number of countries.

1129
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I've heard that there is some border disputes between China

1130
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and Russia along certain border parts, and that it's very

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01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:57.239
<v Speaker 1>possible that China may try to muscle their way into

1132
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:02.280
<v Speaker 1>some less than overly populated areas of Russia. Have you

1133
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.000
<v Speaker 1>heard anything in this regard.

1134
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Not recently. I've only heard rumors of that from decades ago.

1135
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I remember patmu Kin and talking about that decades ago,

1136
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.280
<v Speaker 2>but nothing recently. No, I don't think so. In fact,

1137
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Putin and Shijin Ping have had several meetings over the

1138
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 2>last few years where there's all kinds of very flowery

1139
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:27.039
<v Speaker 2>words like our partnership is stronger than ever, we're such

1140
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:31.159
<v Speaker 2>good friends. So maybe I kind of doubt that China

1141
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:31.639
<v Speaker 2>would do that.

1142
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Now.

1143
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:34.559
<v Speaker 2>They might look to, you know, buy up a bunch

1144
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of forests or something. They might look to buy it.

1145
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:39.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they would invade.

1146
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:41.199
<v Speaker 1>I thought that if they were going to do that,

1147
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:44.320
<v Speaker 1>they would go to the oil rigs right Siberia where

1148
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:47.199
<v Speaker 1>they had that perma frost. That's where the Russian oil

1149
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:48.280
<v Speaker 1>derek's aren't they're not.

1150
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I think that's true. But then again, I think China

1151
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:56.000
<v Speaker 2>would just try to buy it instead of do anything

1152
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:57.280
<v Speaker 2>forceful or coercive.

1153
01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I mean that's kind of been What's one

1154
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.119
<v Speaker 1>of the main things keeping the Russian economy alive is

1155
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:06.000
<v Speaker 1>that they're buying the China is buying Russian oil. So

1156
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't whenever I read that report, I'm like, Okay,

1157
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:12.000
<v Speaker 1>is Putin actually scared about a Chinese invasion or is

1158
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:15.760
<v Speaker 1>this more like a hypothetical wargame type of situation that

1159
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:19.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody has turned into an article. I couldn't substantiate it,

1160
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:24.159
<v Speaker 1>So you know, you, being our resident almost Russian correspondent,

1161
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I had to know if you had heard anything on

1162
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:30.280
<v Speaker 1>your end about potential musclings of g I don't know.

1163
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, this could get into a little brief history lesson,

1164
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:38.920
<v Speaker 2>but China and Russia were best buddies back during the

1165
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:43.559
<v Speaker 2>early communist era and especially nineteen forty nine to nineteen

1166
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:48.239
<v Speaker 2>fifty eight. But there was a big schism over partly

1167
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.719
<v Speaker 2>a border dispute and some other crap. I don't really

1168
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:55.440
<v Speaker 2>recall that well. Yeah, but that's why Nixon went to

1169
01:06:55.599 --> 01:07:01.119
<v Speaker 2>China in nineteen seventy two on Kissinger's advice. They drove

1170
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:03.679
<v Speaker 2>a wedge between the Soviet Union and China, and that

1171
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:05.320
<v Speaker 2>worked fantastically.

1172
01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, we just did an episode on the Cult

1173
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:13.480
<v Speaker 1>about the lost cosmonauts, right, and one of the stories

1174
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:16.239
<v Speaker 1>of one of these lost cosmonauts Long story short TLDR.

1175
01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:20.639
<v Speaker 1>The Russian space program had a couple of failed attempts

1176
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:24.360
<v Speaker 1>for launch, and when these cosmonauts burned up, they pretty

1177
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:27.039
<v Speaker 1>much just wiped the records airbrushed them out of pictures

1178
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:29.639
<v Speaker 1>of the cosmonaut class and they're just like, what are

1179
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:31.679
<v Speaker 1>you talking about. Look, guy, we didn't have any failed

1180
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:34.039
<v Speaker 1>lunches whatever. And again this is during the Soviet Union

1181
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:37.039
<v Speaker 1>time frame, big space race going on, all these things.

1182
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:42.199
<v Speaker 1>One of these guys, Vladimir Illusian, if not mistaken, he

1183
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:46.760
<v Speaker 1>was actually the first manned flight to orbit the Earth,

1184
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.000
<v Speaker 1>but he had some sort of a malfunction and he

1185
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:52.880
<v Speaker 1>landed in China. This is during that time, like you're saying,

1186
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.639
<v Speaker 1>it was early sixties when China and Russia were kind

1187
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.239
<v Speaker 1>of on the outs because they were tight. They were

1188
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:02.119
<v Speaker 1>boys in the early days of the Soviets and the

1189
01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Communist Chinese Revolution, all these things up until the fifties,

1190
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:08.760
<v Speaker 1>like you said, early sixties, they were on the outs,

1191
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and China arrested this guy and kept him in a

1192
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:14.719
<v Speaker 1>prison for over a year, thinking that he was a

1193
01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Russian spy. In reality, it was an accidental crash landing

1194
01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:21.479
<v Speaker 1>on Chinese soil. Then when he gets back to Russia,

1195
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:23.960
<v Speaker 1>his entire file gets scrubbed and they call him a

1196
01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:25.880
<v Speaker 1>bull faced liar and say he was never a part

1197
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:28.920
<v Speaker 1>of the space program. So like, it's like you said,

1198
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:30.680
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of that history lesson. It's in that

1199
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.319
<v Speaker 1>timeframe where China and Russia kind of were on the outs.

1200
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Now they made up, of course, but yeah, there was

1201
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:39.159
<v Speaker 1>a weird section there of about a decade and some

1202
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:43.119
<v Speaker 1>change where they were not as homies as they are

1203
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:48.840
<v Speaker 1>now for sure. I don't know. I don't know, man.

1204
01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:52.199
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to throw on one more thing. There's

1205
01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:55.159
<v Speaker 2>this thing called just war theory. I'm not a fan

1206
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:58.600
<v Speaker 2>of it. It's this big Catholic church teaching that goes

1207
01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.399
<v Speaker 2>back to Saint Augustine from about four hundred a d.

1208
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:06.640
<v Speaker 2>And he said, well, war can be conducted, but it's

1209
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.039
<v Speaker 2>going to abide by three principles. Number one, it should

1210
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.279
<v Speaker 2>be defensive rather than aggressive. Number two, it should try

1211
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:16.359
<v Speaker 2>to minimize civilian casualties, and number three, there has to

1212
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.359
<v Speaker 2>be a decent probability of success. And the reason I

1213
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:22.279
<v Speaker 2>think that it's useless is that everybody always thinks that

1214
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.039
<v Speaker 2>their war is going to meet all three of those.

1215
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 2>It's always in self defense, and it's always going to

1216
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.159
<v Speaker 2>be easy. We're going to be home by Christmas, and

1217
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.039
<v Speaker 2>we're always going to avoid civilian casualties because we're the

1218
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:35.800
<v Speaker 2>most moral army in the world. Everyone always believes that.

1219
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Everyone always tends to believe that about their own group.

1220
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:43.279
<v Speaker 2>They're a country, their nation or whatever. So yeah, I'm

1221
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:44.000
<v Speaker 2>not a fan of it.

1222
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I am a fan of old Saint Augustine slash Augustine.

1223
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.600
<v Speaker 1>However people want to pronounce it. I'm not educated enough

1224
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:53.039
<v Speaker 1>to know which way is the proper pronunciation. But he

1225
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.520
<v Speaker 1>himself as a figure. Have you looked into the life

1226
01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:58.159
<v Speaker 1>of him.

1227
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Didn't he start out as a pagan or his mother

1228
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:02.880
<v Speaker 2>prayed for him a lot. Her name was Saint Helena,

1229
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.119
<v Speaker 2>and he eventually became a Christian. He read Catholic or

1230
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Saint Augustina Hippos it's in North Africa, and he wrote.

1231
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 2>He wrote voluminous bunch of letters and stuff.

1232
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:18.319
<v Speaker 1>He wrote more books than Paul the Apostle, and that

1233
01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:22.560
<v Speaker 1>shit got turned into the New Testament. Augustine Augustine Webber.

1234
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:26.600
<v Speaker 1>He was a pagan, he was big into literature, He

1235
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.880
<v Speaker 1>was a part of the neo Playtonism movement at one

1236
01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:32.039
<v Speaker 1>point in time. All of these things until he found

1237
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.119
<v Speaker 1>his truth and he got the you know, the grace

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<v Speaker 1>and mercy revealed to him, and he became a diehard Christian.

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01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:42.560
<v Speaker 1>And with that he was so motivated that he went

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<v Speaker 1>on to write, like I want to say, it's like

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01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:49.199
<v Speaker 1>forty different volumes of literature that is still studied by

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01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:52.560
<v Speaker 1>scholars today. As far as like what the true Church

1243
01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:55.399
<v Speaker 1>should be now, granted, he borrowed a lot of the

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01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:59.840
<v Speaker 1>philosophical thought processes from some of his earlier teachings and

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01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:02.920
<v Speaker 1>his scholarly studies from before he found Christ and all

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01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.520
<v Speaker 1>these things, but as far as a guy who was

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01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:08.399
<v Speaker 1>motivated for the cause and got after it for work,

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01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I at least got to get props to

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01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:11.079
<v Speaker 1>the boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think war time or philosophy before that, political

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01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:22.840
<v Speaker 2>philosophy was way more primitive and Nietzschean and saying that

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01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the powers full should rule over the week. I think

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01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:29.439
<v Speaker 2>that's the general feel I get from Roman and Pagan right,

1254
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:34.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like you're more of a trying to christianize it. Sorry,

1255
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:37.119
<v Speaker 2>what are you more of a Machiavellian type guy?

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01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's really a little bit here. By the way,

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01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:43.159
<v Speaker 1>there's no wrong answers.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Augustine's perspective would be really useful if

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01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.640
<v Speaker 2>it could be more scientifically done, and if there were

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01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:54.239
<v Speaker 2>any way to say scientifically and quantitatively which side of

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01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:56.119
<v Speaker 2>a war is right and which side is wrong from

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01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the outside outset, I should say, But the problem everybody

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01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:04.239
<v Speaker 2>brings so many assumptions to the table that we're never

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to do that right. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why it's never prevented a war. To my knowledge, it

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01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:13.479
<v Speaker 2>probably never will prevent a war. So we can gibber

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01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:16.239
<v Speaker 2>jabber about just war theory, but in my opinion, it's

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01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:17.520
<v Speaker 2>actually not that useful.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe there are there is such a thing as

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01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:23.439
<v Speaker 1>a just war I don't believe that we've been involved

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01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:28.800
<v Speaker 1>with one for quite some time, if arguably ever. Like

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01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.319
<v Speaker 1>real ship the Civil War, Oh, it was a just

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01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:36.319
<v Speaker 1>war because it was to abolish slavery. Okay, on the surface,

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01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:39.479
<v Speaker 1>that one sentence completely out of context. Of course, it

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01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:43.039
<v Speaker 1>was a just war. When you look at the dirty

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01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.479
<v Speaker 1>underbelly of what that all entails and the other fifty

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01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.359
<v Speaker 1>other things that were the onset to that war, it's

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01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:53.119
<v Speaker 1>not so clear cut. The Revolutionary War, well, it was

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01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a clear war to get out of the you know,

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01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.000
<v Speaker 1>King George and all that, except for the fact that

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01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it was started by a bunch of aristocratic white dudes

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01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:03.560
<v Speaker 1>that didn't want to pay their taxes. And then it

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01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:08.560
<v Speaker 1>becomes less clear cut World War two, America getting involved

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01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:11.920
<v Speaker 1>with it, Yeah, we from that platitude can say that

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01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.880
<v Speaker 1>it was a just war. Keep in mind, it was

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01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:17.199
<v Speaker 1>going on for years before we got involved with it,

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01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and hell, before we got old with it, half of

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01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:24.079
<v Speaker 1>America supported Hitler. It's a whole other thing. I've seen

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01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:29.119
<v Speaker 1>so many pictures of protesters saying quit sending weapons to

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01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Germany for their war. Why was America and North of

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01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:36.199
<v Speaker 1>Grumming and all these Why were we sending weapons and

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01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:38.960
<v Speaker 1>munitions to the Nazis at some point in time? Why

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01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.920
<v Speaker 1>did Grandfather Bush why did he have such a crazy

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01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:45.600
<v Speaker 1>connection to the Nazis. And then again you look at

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01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.239
<v Speaker 1>it and it's like it's not exactly as just war

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01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:50.760
<v Speaker 1>clear cut as it seems on the surface, right, it's

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01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:52.359
<v Speaker 1>about whose history book you're reading.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wasn't aware that we gave any munitions, but

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01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I was aware that the Sword Motor Company factories were

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01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:04.479
<v Speaker 2>building tanks over there, and some oil companies were even

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01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.600
<v Speaker 2>selling oil to the Germans in the war because they

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01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:08.920
<v Speaker 2>had a license to do so.

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01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Coverty wasn't sending weapons to Germany. Maybe he was sending

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01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:14.600
<v Speaker 1>support to Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you couldn't send any support unless you had

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01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:21.439
<v Speaker 2>a license to and some of them got the license.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a counterfacture to throw at you that has bugged

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01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:29.560
<v Speaker 2>me for years. The British government, the British you know, Crown,

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01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:34.680
<v Speaker 2>entertained the idea of emancipating slaves during the Revolutionary War,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just wonder if they had done that, would

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01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:41.039
<v Speaker 2>everyone's moral calculus of the Did I say civil War,

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01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I met Revolutionary War? And yeah, if they had done that,

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01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:49.840
<v Speaker 2>would that have changed the whole moral calculus of the war.

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<v Speaker 2>Because most of their slaves were in North America, they

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01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:54.760
<v Speaker 2>barely had any anywhere else. They had a few in

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01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.359
<v Speaker 2>the Caribbean, and that would have had the same a

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01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:01.840
<v Speaker 2>similar effect as the emancipation problem of eighteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think most Americans would be on board

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<v Speaker 2>with saying, oh, yeah, you know, throw George Washington under

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01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.079
<v Speaker 2>the bus because he was a slave owner. So somehow

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01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.359
<v Speaker 2>slavery's okay way back in seventeen seventy six, but then

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01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:19.479
<v Speaker 2>in eighteen sixty one to sixty five, now, all of

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01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:21.760
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, it's a moral abomination, and we have a

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01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:24.880
<v Speaker 2>right to, you know, conquer the people practicing it and

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<v Speaker 2>force them to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a bit of a double standard.

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<v Speaker 1>There, absolutely, And I mean there have been people to

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01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.520
<v Speaker 1>throw all of the shit at Thomas Jefferson for having

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01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:37.560
<v Speaker 1>bastard children with some of his slaves, right, George Washington

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01:15:37.560 --> 01:15:40.319
<v Speaker 1>for being a slave owner. All the founding fathers, most

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<v Speaker 1>of them, not all, most of them were slave owners.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the wealthy elites of the day and age.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of a thing that the wealthy elites

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01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:48.600
<v Speaker 1>had in their stable, if you will. It was, it

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01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:51.960
<v Speaker 1>was a part of it. And to that point, if

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01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Britain would have emancipated the slave population of the colonies

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, I feel like that would have even

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01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:02.000
<v Speaker 1>led to a harder and faster. I could be completely

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01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:05.520
<v Speaker 1>wrong here, but they had abolitionists as far back as

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01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:09.319
<v Speaker 1>the Revolutionary War. It just was way more quiet of

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01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:13.119
<v Speaker 1>a talking point and the other thing, all right, I

1343
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:16.199
<v Speaker 1>understand that America has an ugly past when it comes

1344
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:19.520
<v Speaker 1>to the Transatlantic slave trade, not trying to underplay that

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01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:22.720
<v Speaker 1>or undermine that in any way, shape or form. Does

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01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.960
<v Speaker 1>everybody understand that Brazil got three times the amount of

1347
01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:29.479
<v Speaker 1>slaves from the Transatlantic slave trade that we got, like

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01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Portugal put three times the amount of enslaved human beings

1349
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:38.239
<v Speaker 1>on a whole other continent, And somehow they get no shit,

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01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.520
<v Speaker 1>they get no shade in that regard. It's just America

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01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:43.119
<v Speaker 1>because we're evil, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, right right, Yeah, I've noticed, but I think most

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01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:47.439
<v Speaker 2>people are unaware of that.

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01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, you know, Brazil was a worse place to go,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Yeah, worst climate. It was mostly the

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01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:57.680
<v Speaker 2>men who ended up there. There were very few African women.

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01:16:57.760 --> 01:16:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Most of these men just went to their graves without

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01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:02.560
<v Speaker 2>how having children. The ones who ended up in North

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01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:04.239
<v Speaker 2>America were a little.

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01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Bit luckier, slightly slightly everybody.

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01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:11.560
<v Speaker 2>It's not saying much, right, but that's why we have

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01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:15.479
<v Speaker 2>something like a similar black population is what's down there now.

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<v Speaker 2>Also another thing, Yeah, William Wilberforce was he around eighteen

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01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:24.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred abolishing slavery in the British Empire. And when the

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01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:26.760
<v Speaker 2>US went to war with England again in eighteen twelve,

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01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.680
<v Speaker 2>we were just talking about the Eleventh Commandment with boats. Yes,

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01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:31.479
<v Speaker 2>had something to do with the start of that. It

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01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:35.800
<v Speaker 2>wore eighteen twelve. But the British were trying to tell

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01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:40.159
<v Speaker 2>American slaves, you know, you should, you should desert and

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01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.239
<v Speaker 2>come over to our side. We'll emancipate you. And that

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01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.279
<v Speaker 2>actually attracted a fair number of them. And that's partly

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01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.000
<v Speaker 2>why I know I sound like a liberal now. But

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01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:54.840
<v Speaker 2>when Francis Scott Key wrote The Star Spangled Banner, he

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01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:58.439
<v Speaker 2>included a line that said that no grace could slight

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01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:01.680
<v Speaker 2>save the hireling and slave in the Land of the

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01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:03.439
<v Speaker 2>Free and the Home of the brain. He was talking

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01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:07.199
<v Speaker 2>about slaves who were deserting to go join the British.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now, okay, that shouldn't be a liberal thing to say, right,

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01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:18.159
<v Speaker 1>But it has become that Acknowledging history means acknowledging all

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01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:21.159
<v Speaker 1>of it. Some of it's ugly, some of it. We

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01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:25.479
<v Speaker 1>Republican Democrat whatever side of it, we can all acknowledge

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01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:30.159
<v Speaker 1>that slavery's bad. That shouldn't be a liberal talking point.

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01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:32.079
<v Speaker 2>It's easy to do today.

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01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, exactly, and I mean, ugh, like we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about earlier, right, a just war is that even possible?

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01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:46.039
<v Speaker 1>I could argue that freeing enslaved people, not just in

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01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:50.359
<v Speaker 1>America right now, Africa, the Mauritania, for the record, you

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01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:53.760
<v Speaker 1>can still own slaves. That's a country in Africa. And

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01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:56.560
<v Speaker 1>for the record, Sub Saharan Africans are the ones that

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01:18:56.560 --> 01:19:00.279
<v Speaker 1>are enslaved more than the Upper Saharan Africans as far

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01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:04.319
<v Speaker 1>as that country is concerned. Slavery still it's been illegal

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01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:09.800
<v Speaker 1>since like nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty one, but it's

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01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:14.119
<v Speaker 1>not exactly illegal, it's more like frowned upon. Right now,

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01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:17.640
<v Speaker 1>if a country America written Chad, I don't give a

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01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:22.000
<v Speaker 1>fuck was to launch a war to abolish the slavery

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01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:25.800
<v Speaker 1>in that country, on the surface, that could be seen

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01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:29.680
<v Speaker 1>as a just war. But then to get involved in

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01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:32.479
<v Speaker 1>any type of war you almost are forced to take

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01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.640
<v Speaker 1>a Machiavellian approach to it. There's no way around that.

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01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:39.199
<v Speaker 1>And no, I don't mean some men are born better

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01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:41.880
<v Speaker 1>than others. I don't mean that as far as Machiavellian goes.

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01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.840
<v Speaker 1>What I mean by that is essentially, you can't make

1404
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.800
<v Speaker 1>an amad without cracking a few eggs. And I don't

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01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:51.439
<v Speaker 1>mean that to the terms of how not to throw

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01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:56.159
<v Speaker 1>shade at Russia, but also their thought process as far

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01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:58.079
<v Speaker 1>as how many eggs you crack to make an omelet,

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01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I find to be absurd. Neither here nor there. That's

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01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.039
<v Speaker 1>not just a Russian tactic. That's a tactic that China

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01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:06.239
<v Speaker 1>has used over the years. That's a tactic that Hell

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01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:09.239
<v Speaker 1>America has used it. At a certain point, Nazi Germany

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01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:12.119
<v Speaker 1>did it with the Blitzkriek tactics. There's a certain level

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01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:16.119
<v Speaker 1>where you understand that you are going to sacrifice a

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01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:19.319
<v Speaker 1>massive amount of numbers for your side in order to

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01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:22.520
<v Speaker 1>accomplish the objective. And at a certain point it's like,

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01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:25.239
<v Speaker 1>was the objective worth it if it cost that much

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01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:28.399
<v Speaker 1>life in order to get And it's like in the

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01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:32.079
<v Speaker 1>moment it might seem that way. Decades later, somebody, some

1419
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:36.039
<v Speaker 1>armchair historian or two to people on a podcast one

1420
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:39.319
<v Speaker 1>day are gonna look at it from the outside and say, look,

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01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the math clearly didn't equate, why did they do this

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01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in the first place, and all this So it's like

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01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:47.640
<v Speaker 1>to be a leader of a nation, or even a

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01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:50.880
<v Speaker 1>leader of a military, not just of a certain branch,

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01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:53.479
<v Speaker 1>some sort of a high level general of any type

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01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:57.640
<v Speaker 1>or an admiral. You almost are forced to take a

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01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:02.279
<v Speaker 1>cold cut, machiavellion approach to things. And it's not comfortable,

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01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:05.359
<v Speaker 1>it's not fun, it's not good. But at what point

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01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:08.319
<v Speaker 1>do we decide what is a just war and what

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01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.560
<v Speaker 1>is a just cause? Because that's just a matter of

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01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:16.640
<v Speaker 1>perspective in most of the cases, I would think, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's normally up to the political leaders of the

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01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:23.680
<v Speaker 2>country to start the war, and the military brass normally

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01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:28.359
<v Speaker 2>considers it their professional responsibility not to be political and

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01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:32.039
<v Speaker 2>to just do their job of executing it as efficiently

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01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:35.920
<v Speaker 2>as possible and not get into the decision making morality

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01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:38.840
<v Speaker 2>side of it. I would say, that's pretty normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I do enjoy these conversations, everybody, just y'all. No,

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01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I do love Wednesday nights. All right, So all right,

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01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:52.520
<v Speaker 1>let's move into this article here. It's from the Associated Press,

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01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:55.520
<v Speaker 1>So everybody go ahead and put on those blinders to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the stance that this article is probably gonna take here,

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01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:03.960
<v Speaker 1>but as this alleged two hour phone call took place

1444
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:07.079
<v Speaker 1>between Trump and Putin, which again I was very excited

1445
01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to hear about, because Putin just recently threw up the

1446
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:12.600
<v Speaker 1>middle finger and said, never mind, we ain't doing no ceasefire.

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01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:14.760
<v Speaker 1>We're getting after it. Then Ukraine launched these bombs b

1448
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.159
<v Speaker 1>ba bah. When I heard that Trump and Putin had

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01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>finally talked on the phone for a good minute, I

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01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, hold on, now we might get a

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01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:24.279
<v Speaker 1>little bit of some movement, we might get a little understanding,

1452
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:26.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe some deals could be made. Let's see what happens here.

1453
01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:29.600
<v Speaker 1>So let's read in here. The Trump Putin phone call

1454
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:32.880
<v Speaker 1>gave the Kremlin leader a chance to pivot away from

1455
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:37.279
<v Speaker 1>the war in Ukraine. They talked about the fighting in Ukraine,

1456
01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:40.159
<v Speaker 1>of course, but the US and Russian presidents also chatted

1457
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:43.840
<v Speaker 1>about improving relations between Washington and Moscow, peace in the

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01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Middle East, global security, and even hockey games. And I'm

1459
01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:51.640
<v Speaker 1>hoping I don't know which hockey games in particular they

1460
01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:54.279
<v Speaker 1>talked about. I don't know if they talked about was

1461
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:58.359
<v Speaker 1>that the miracle on ice, the Olympic team or whatever,

1462
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I hope they talked about the Bronch Street brawlers, the

1463
01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:04.279
<v Speaker 1>time that the Philadelphia Flyers put the beating of a

1464
01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:08.279
<v Speaker 1>lifetime on the Soviet hockey players, but that way back

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01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:11.600
<v Speaker 1>in the day. Anyway, During more than two hours, During

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01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:14.159
<v Speaker 1>the more than two hour chat, the longest such call

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01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:17.439
<v Speaker 1>between the country's leaders in years, Donald Trump and Vladimir

1468
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Putin covered a range of topics, and, importantly, for Putin,

1469
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the conversation gave him a chance to pivot away from

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01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>the war in Ukraine and engage in more broadly on

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01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:28.479
<v Speaker 1>global issues, drawing a line under Washington's pass efforts to

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01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:32.600
<v Speaker 1>cast him as an international pariah. Tuesday's phone call appeared

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01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to reflect both leader's interests in mending the US Russian

1474
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:39.079
<v Speaker 1>ties that have plummeted to their lowest points since the

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01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Cold War amid the three year conflict in Ukraine. The

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01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Kremlin and the state controlled Russian media praised it as

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01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:48.479
<v Speaker 1>a long sought launch of an equal dialogue between the

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01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:53.359
<v Speaker 1>two nuclear superpowers. A halt in fighting, I'm sorry, a

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01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:56.600
<v Speaker 1>halt of fighting in Ukraine seems as distant as ever.

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01:23:57.479 --> 01:23:59.399
<v Speaker 1>While both the White House and the Kremlin cast of

1481
01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:02.920
<v Speaker 1>discussion as a key step towards peace in Ukraine, Putin's

1482
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:07.359
<v Speaker 1>uncompromising demands are making a truce elusive. Seeking to cultivate

1483
01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>warm ties with Washington, Putin accepted a halt on strikes

1484
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:14.600
<v Speaker 1>on energy infrastructure, while avoiding the outright rejection of Trump's

1485
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:18.760
<v Speaker 1>thirty day ceasefire. The Krilin leader leaked excuse me. The

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01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Krimlin leader linked it to a halt in Western arms

1487
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:26.159
<v Speaker 1>supplies and a freeze on Kiev's mobilization effort, conditions that

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01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Ukraine and its allies firmly reject. Unlike Kiev, which accepted

1489
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:33.880
<v Speaker 1>trunk ceasefire offer amid a series of battlefield setbacks, Putin

1490
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>appears to have little interest in a quick succession of hostilities.

1491
01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:41.399
<v Speaker 1>With Russian forces firmly holding the initiative on the battlefield,

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01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Ukraine is on the verge of completely losing its foothold

1493
01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:47.560
<v Speaker 1>in Russia's Curk region. We discussed that earlier one hundred percent,

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01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:51.920
<v Speaker 1>whereas forces are clinging to a sliver of land along

1495
01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:55.039
<v Speaker 1>the border after their surprise incursion in August of twenty

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01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:59.199
<v Speaker 1>twenty four. Russia's offensive shattered Kiev's hopes of exchanging its

1497
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.119
<v Speaker 1>gains and curage for some of the territory Moscow captured

1498
01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:05.319
<v Speaker 1>elsewhere in Ukraine. Got a couple of pictures here if

1499
01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>some of the wreckage and all these things. Putin said,

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01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:12.479
<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian forces that remain in Kursk are surrounded, a claim

1501
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:16.119
<v Speaker 1>echoed by Trump, even though Kiev denies its soldiers are

1502
01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:19.479
<v Speaker 1>encircled again. You can only deny that for so long, dude.

1503
01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.079
<v Speaker 1>It's only going to be a matter of time before

1504
01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:22.720
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna have to either a throw up the white

1505
01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:27.920
<v Speaker 1>flag or b gets slaughtered. Ukrainian officials fear that Russia

1506
01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.840
<v Speaker 1>could try to attack the nearby Sumi region that borders Kirsk.

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01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>At the same time, the Russian army is pressing offenses

1508
01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:38.479
<v Speaker 1>in several sectors of the Dunesque region in eastern Ukraine.

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01:25:38.920 --> 01:25:42.800
<v Speaker 1>By making the ceasefire conditions on a freeze of arms

1510
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.720
<v Speaker 1>supplies to Ukraine and its mobilization effort, Putin is trying

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01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to cement Russia's gains and force Kiev to cave into

1512
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Moscow's demands. He wants Ukraine to withdraw its forces from

1513
01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>the four regions that Russia illegally annexed but never fully captured,

1514
01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>renounce its bid to join NATO and radically trim its

1515
01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>military Putin's acceptance of a halt on strikes on Ukraine's

1516
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:06.479
<v Speaker 1>energy facilities has allowed Trump to claim at least partial

1517
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>success for his peacemaking effort. But the move wasn't a

1518
01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:14.159
<v Speaker 1>major secession, a concession by Moscow given the massive damage

1519
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to Ukraine's power grid from years of attacks. Discussion between

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01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the two superpowers, and I don't like how they put

1521
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:25.079
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote on two superpowers. I would argue there's only

1522
01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>one superpower on that phone call, but whatever. While seeking

1523
01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:32.319
<v Speaker 1>to expand its military gains in the Ukraine to dictate

1524
01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>peace terms, Putin also used the call to shift the

1525
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>discussion away from the ceasefire to other global issues he

1526
01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:42.760
<v Speaker 1>appeared to win Trump's interest. The White House says it

1527
01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.640
<v Speaker 1>it's readout of the call that the leaders spoke broadly

1528
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>about the Middle East as a region of potential cooperation

1529
01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:52.279
<v Speaker 1>to prevent future conflicts, discussed the need to stop proliferation

1530
01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of strategic weapons, and agreed that a future with an

1531
01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:59.359
<v Speaker 1>improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has

1532
01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:02.479
<v Speaker 1>a huge up side. I think that goes without saying here.

1533
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody getting along is just better for business.

1534
01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>And again, what is Trump if not a businessman? This

1535
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>includes enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has

1536
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:17.479
<v Speaker 1>been achieved, it said the US Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff,

1537
01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>who flew to Moscow last week to meet with Putin,

1538
01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>praised both leaders and offered optimism the Kremlin was moving

1539
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>towards a broader truce. I would commend President Putin for

1540
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:30.159
<v Speaker 1>all he did today on that call to move his

1541
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.399
<v Speaker 1>country close to a final peace deal, Witkoff told Fox News,

1542
01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>and I would give all the credit to President Trump.

1543
01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:40.239
<v Speaker 1>I can't overstate how compelling he was on this call. Okay,

1544
01:27:40.239 --> 01:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of course he's going to be slobbing on that nob

1545
01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>at least a little bit. It's kind of his job,

1546
01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I get it. H Kremlin spokesperson Dmitri Peskoff underline that

1547
01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:52.319
<v Speaker 1>Putin and Trump understand each other well, trust each other,

1548
01:27:52.399 --> 01:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and intend to move gradually toward normalization of Russia US relations.

1549
01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Russian State TV and other krimlin Can controlled media hailed

1550
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:04.439
<v Speaker 1>the call as a move towards broad cooperation between Moscow

1551
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and Washington. The pro Kremlin tabloid One more Time, Pravda,

1552
01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Thank God, you're here, Tony. I swear to Jesus That

1553
01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:27.479
<v Speaker 1>tabloid noted that normalization of relations between two nuclear powers

1554
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>superpowers was on the agenda, and state news agency Ria

1555
01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Novisti Novosti Yeah pointed at the evolving partners relations between

1556
01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the US and Russia. This format is in line with

1557
01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a new vision of a multipolar world that is apparently

1558
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>shared by both the White House and the Kremlin, it

1559
01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:53.239
<v Speaker 1>said uh Tasiana Stanovaya Yeah of the Carnegie Endowment said quote,

1560
01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:57.239
<v Speaker 1>the most significant outcome was the implicit acceptance of US

1561
01:28:57.399 --> 01:29:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Russian cooperation on key international and bilateral issues. She added

1562
01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:06.359
<v Speaker 1>that this marks an obvious victory for Putin, who seeks

1563
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>to decouple bilateral relations from the Ukrainian War. I okay,

1564
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:14.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's her job to kind of slob on

1565
01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:17.439
<v Speaker 1>Putin's novel a little bit here. So okay, obviously a decent,

1566
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>amicable phone call between Trump and Putin. Trump's guy is

1567
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna be he was so compelling. Meanwhile, Putin's chick is

1568
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:28.119
<v Speaker 1>all like, this is obviously a victory for Putin. Again,

1569
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>we got we gotta make sure we're keeping all of

1570
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:34.079
<v Speaker 1>the sources on the up and up here. The ongoing

1571
01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>detoxification of Russia continues, she said in commentary, even noting

1572
01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:43.359
<v Speaker 1>an agreement on Putin's proposal to organize hockey matches between

1573
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Russian and American players. First of all, I am here

1574
01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>for that. That would be great. But also maybe I'm

1575
01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:56.239
<v Speaker 1>just being a little extra on that one, because we

1576
01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:59.560
<v Speaker 1>just watched the Canadian American hockey games take place, and

1577
01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that will is a full on brawl that happened to

1578
01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>have a puck getting slapped around from time to time,

1579
01:30:05.680 --> 01:30:08.159
<v Speaker 1>and I love the combat of it all. So a

1580
01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Russia America hockey match I wouldn't want much hockey to

1581
01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:15.359
<v Speaker 1>get played, honestly, and it's not because like I'm over here,

1582
01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:17.279
<v Speaker 1>like oh fuck the comerce right, no no, no, no,

1583
01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:21.520
<v Speaker 1>no no no. But also hockey has fist fighting within it,

1584
01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and I think that that would be a rip snort

1585
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>in good time to watch. I could be wrong, I

1586
01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Now Ukraine and Europe take a backseat. Ukrainian

1587
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>President vladimir's Alensky responded to the Putin Trump call by

1588
01:30:33.880 --> 01:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>warning that quote trying to negotiate without Ukraine, in my view,

1589
01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:44.600
<v Speaker 1>will not be productive. Okay, dude, you bro you literally

1590
01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>just tried to hold a NATO summit without America to

1591
01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:52.039
<v Speaker 1>further your own ends and realize how empty of a

1592
01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>promise everybody else could give you. Now you're upset that

1593
01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:58.319
<v Speaker 1>you weren't involved in a three way call. What are

1594
01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>we talking about here? Is Alenski? Stop it? Trump called

1595
01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Zelensky for about an hour Wednesday and said on a

1596
01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:09.760
<v Speaker 1>social media post that the conversation was to align both

1597
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Russia and Ukraine in terms of their requests and needs

1598
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:18.199
<v Speaker 1>the creation of the US and Russian working groups to

1599
01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:22.039
<v Speaker 1>ponder ceasefire specifics and a possible deal to ensuring on

1600
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>ensuring the safe shipping Indie Black Sea that was mentioned

1601
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>in the Kremlin readout of the Trump Putin call marked

1602
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>yet another move towards discussing the fate of Ukraine in

1603
01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>its absence, upending the Biden administration's policy of nothing about

1604
01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Ukraine without Ukraine again. I you know, I get, I

1605
01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>understand why one of the main players in this situation

1606
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>would like to be involved in every conversation about the situation.

1607
01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:53.439
<v Speaker 1>I get that. However, let's not forget. Was it not

1608
01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>even two weeks ago that he showed his ass in

1609
01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the Oval Office when he was completely included in the

1610
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>conver So at a certain point, you know what, the

1611
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>grownups have to have a conversation without the children butting

1612
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:09.199
<v Speaker 1>in every few seconds. I know that's just me. Maybe

1613
01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just a little jaded towards it. I don't know.

1614
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>The conversation didn't bring good news either to either Kiev

1615
01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:22.439
<v Speaker 1>or Europe, who saw themselves clearly ignored, said Fyodor Lukyanov,

1616
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>a Moscow based political analyst familiar with the Kremlins, thinking

1617
01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:29.319
<v Speaker 1>two great powers are discussing the settlement while paying little

1618
01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:35.439
<v Speaker 1>attention to others. Yeah, stany Jova, Yeah, butchered that one.

1619
01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Note that Putin has shifted discussion away from the ceasefire

1620
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:42.239
<v Speaker 1>while giving little in return. This is very bad news

1621
01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:45.239
<v Speaker 1>for Ukraine, which is increasingly being treated as a bargaining

1622
01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:49.279
<v Speaker 1>chip in this game, she said, Which has that not

1623
01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:51.520
<v Speaker 1>been what it's been the entire time of this quote

1624
01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:55.119
<v Speaker 1>unquote special military operation. It's all been a bargaining chip.

1625
01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:59.239
<v Speaker 1>The land itself has been a bargaining ship. I didn't.

1626
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I kind of thought I was understood at this point,

1627
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>But okay. Nigel Gould Davies, a senior fellow for Russia

1628
01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and Eurasia at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, deplored

1629
01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Trump's affinity or sympathy toward Putin and his reluctance to

1630
01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>significantly punish or constrain Russia, which allows the Kremlin leader

1631
01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to stick to his strategy to grind down Ukraine militarily

1632
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>and outlast the West politically. Russia wants to decide the

1633
01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>fate of Ukraine and ultimately of Europe, with the United

1634
01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:33.399
<v Speaker 1>States alone, with no other negotiating partner. He said, I

1635
01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:36.079
<v Speaker 1>can't think of another period in my lifetime when diplomacy

1636
01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>has been so upended in such a brief space of time,

1637
01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:43.199
<v Speaker 1>he said, noting the closest example was in the nineteen

1638
01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>eighties when Gorbachev was the leader of the Soviet Union.

1639
01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>While it took Gorbachev four years to abandon long standing

1640
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Soviet commitments in Eastern Europe, Gould Davy said, it has

1641
01:33:54.399 --> 01:33:57.039
<v Speaker 1>taken four weeks for the United States to call into

1642
01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:04.199
<v Speaker 1>question fundamental, long standing commitments to Europe. Well, okay, fair enough,

1643
01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>wild times, y'all, wild times. And so you know what,

1644
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<v Speaker 1>before we get into this, the protests against the arrest

1645
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:18.079
<v Speaker 1>of istanbul Mayer and all these things here from the

1646
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>euro news about what's going on there. Does anybody have

1647
01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:22.760
<v Speaker 1>anything else they would like to add in on the

1648
01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:26.439
<v Speaker 1>Ukraine Russia situation, the phone call between Putin and Trump,

1649
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:29.840
<v Speaker 1>or Putin and Zelenski, or any of these things.

1650
01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, as me again as usual, I think, really it

1651
01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:40.399
<v Speaker 2>seems like a stretch. But my imagination is that even

1652
01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the Russian American or Russian European, Russian NATO schism largely

1653
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:50.439
<v Speaker 2>revolves around Israel because the Soviet Union was they voted

1654
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.319
<v Speaker 2>to recognize Israel in the very beginning, but after that

1655
01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:59.039
<v Speaker 2>their relations went sour pretty quickly, and Russia supported Syria

1656
01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:02.039
<v Speaker 2>and Egypt and all of Israel's enemies for a long time,

1657
01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:04.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're still doing it. In terms of being a

1658
01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:08.760
<v Speaker 2>strategic ally ever run Syria is off the table now though,

1659
01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>yeahcuse since December Russia was a very staunch assad ally

1660
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:16.520
<v Speaker 2>but they're off the table now.

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01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Russia's got their two Mediterranean bases in Syria, so yeah,

1662
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:22.159
<v Speaker 1>they were gonna keep a sodden power as long as

1663
01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>they could, for sure.

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01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And as far as I know, they still have

1665
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>those bases. And I heard there were.

1666
01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:33.319
<v Speaker 13>Some some some massacres, some murders going on in Syria

1667
01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:34.840
<v Speaker 13>a week or two ago, and a lot of the

1668
01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:38.319
<v Speaker 13>people who were victims of it and their families, their people,

1669
01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:41.439
<v Speaker 13>they were fleeing to the Russian bases for production.

1670
01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:47.439
<v Speaker 1>That also makes sense to me because while certain countries

1671
01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:50.399
<v Speaker 1>may have opinions about Russia and what they do and

1672
01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>what they are, yeah, yeah, fine, fine, fine, in Syria,

1673
01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure, And yes, it's a very fractured nation

1674
01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:00.800
<v Speaker 1>right now, there's like thirteen different regions that all claim

1675
01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:03.199
<v Speaker 1>that their guy is the guy over the whole country

1676
01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>and all these things. Whatever, I'm pretty sure it's understood.

1677
01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Don't kick the bear like realistically, Yeah, those bases are there,

1678
01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and the areas around those bases can be contested. Those

1679
01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:18.359
<v Speaker 1>bases are still owned by Russia, and I'm pretty sure

1680
01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:22.199
<v Speaker 1>everyone understands. Let's not question that they're doing Russian shit

1681
01:36:22.239 --> 01:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>on that side of that fence, you know what I mean.

1682
01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of like Guantanamo Bay. Yes, Fidel Castro,

1683
01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:31.279
<v Speaker 2>don't touch Guantanamo Bay. That is the third rail.

1684
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.079
<v Speaker 1>That's it, you know, Yeah, it's.

1685
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Their version of that. Anyway, I opened up a tab

1686
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:40.119
<v Speaker 2>on this Turkish guy. But you want to say something

1687
01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>else about Russia.

1688
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wanted to ask you this now. So, like

1689
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.039
<v Speaker 1>you said, Russia backed Israel in the early days of

1690
01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>it all, right.

1691
01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Then they voted for recognition in nineteen forty seven or

1692
01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:51.880
<v Speaker 2>forty eight.

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01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, and then they started siding with the Arab neighbors. Now,

1694
01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.039
<v Speaker 1>do you believe that this is because they had a

1695
01:36:59.119 --> 01:37:02.479
<v Speaker 1>change of heart to words Israel or is it because

1696
01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the lines are getting drawn in the Cold War and

1697
01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:07.279
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to do business with every state that

1698
01:37:07.319 --> 01:37:10.279
<v Speaker 1>they could. And since the West and the capitalist nations

1699
01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:15.039
<v Speaker 1>had nothing positive to say about the Arab nations, they

1700
01:37:15.159 --> 01:37:19.199
<v Speaker 1>they were seen as pariah states, quote unquote, So Russia

1701
01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:23.399
<v Speaker 1>had no other options but to get more aligned with them,

1702
01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:27.479
<v Speaker 1>I e Iran. Therefore, they did turn their back on Israel,

1703
01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and it was more of a business move more than

1704
01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>a ethics move.

1705
01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:37.560
<v Speaker 2>It was definitely a geopolitical gamble they took because a

1706
01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:41.159
<v Speaker 2>lot of the early founders of Israel were very socialists

1707
01:37:41.239 --> 01:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>in their overall ideology and in the structures of the kibbutz's,

1708
01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:52.760
<v Speaker 2>And I guess the Soviets believed that Israel would become

1709
01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:58.439
<v Speaker 2>a Soviet aligned country, but it was I'll give them

1710
01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:03.119
<v Speaker 2>potential it ended up in the American orbit, and then

1711
01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:08.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, NATO orbit eventually pretty solidly. As for the

1712
01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:10.159
<v Speaker 2>rest of the region, I don't know what kind of

1713
01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:14.199
<v Speaker 2>connection Russia had with them before, but Russia had always

1714
01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:18.159
<v Speaker 2>been an enemy of Turkey, and Turkey was just chomping

1715
01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>at the bit to join NATO as early as they

1716
01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:23.039
<v Speaker 2>could in nineteen fifty two. But pretty much the rest

1717
01:38:23.079 --> 01:38:25.560
<v Speaker 2>of the Arab world was kind of enemies with Turkey.

1718
01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>So that could be one reason that the Russians or

1719
01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:34.640
<v Speaker 2>the Soviets got along with with the Arabs. It's kind

1720
01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:36.840
<v Speaker 2>of similar to how the Arabs got along pretty well

1721
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>with the Germans during World War Two. Yeah, Israel obviously,

1722
01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:46.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the Nazeiason, Jews were the most bitter

1723
01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:52.119
<v Speaker 2>enemies you can imagine, and the Arabs were more on

1724
01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:56.960
<v Speaker 2>the German side to their kind of everlasting shame in

1725
01:38:57.039 --> 01:39:00.439
<v Speaker 2>terms of history since then, because as far as America

1726
01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:02.640
<v Speaker 2>is concerned, being the Nazi is like the worst thing.

1727
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:06.000
<v Speaker 2>So if you're aligned with them, if you're Japanese or

1728
01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Hungarian or Arab or whatever, you know, you can't align

1729
01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:10.560
<v Speaker 2>with the Nazis. That's unforgivable.

1730
01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Oddly enough, they were more aligned with the Nazis against

1731
01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:18.119
<v Speaker 1>the Ashka Nazi Jews in particular the Spartans. The Arab

1732
01:39:18.239 --> 01:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>nations hid them. They were homies with the Spartaks that

1733
01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:24.119
<v Speaker 1>lived in their areas. That's That's another weird thing that

1734
01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to do more of a history dive on that,

1735
01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>because the Sparkan Jews and Muslims they're cool, like they're not.

1736
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:34.079
<v Speaker 1>They're not best they were it means, but well, yeah,

1737
01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess they were. They probably have had some schisms

1738
01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:39.720
<v Speaker 1>in the past few decades, but for the vast majority

1739
01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>of time they got along just fine. They you know,

1740
01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>they lived in the same areas. You know, they went

1741
01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:49.439
<v Speaker 1>to different schools to learn different things. But as far

1742
01:39:49.439 --> 01:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>as they they kind of all got along as neighbors

1743
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:56.439
<v Speaker 1>would do. You know. It was there the Nazis, the Yeah,

1744
01:39:56.439 --> 01:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>there were a hard problem against.

1745
01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were enormous Jewish pop populations in Iraq and

1746
01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Syria and Jordan and Egypt, and yeah, they were all

1747
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:09.079
<v Speaker 2>driven out in the fifties.

1748
01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it did happen. And then, like you said earlier,

1749
01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:16.079
<v Speaker 1>everybody Turkey was super wanting to get involved with NATO

1750
01:40:16.239 --> 01:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning. They were rushing to the opportunity, and

1751
01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>literally since they've been a member of NATO, they had

1752
01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:25.720
<v Speaker 1>been the resident bastard child that everybody was forced to

1753
01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:29.520
<v Speaker 1>deal with that nobody wanted to deal with. But because

1754
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>of how unstable all of this Middle East is, it's

1755
01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:37.479
<v Speaker 1>nice to have a NATO ally in the area quote

1756
01:40:37.640 --> 01:40:43.199
<v Speaker 1>unquote italicize ally with that statement. But Turkey being at

1757
01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:45.600
<v Speaker 1>least a NATO member, it was kind of seen that

1758
01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:48.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe they could be useful at some point. And then

1759
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>more often than not, it's like they fall in and

1760
01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>out of favor of all of other NATO countries and

1761
01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>they have the entire time, I can't think of one

1762
01:40:56.880 --> 01:41:00.800
<v Speaker 1>time for like five years collectively wherever was like, you

1763
01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:03.960
<v Speaker 1>know what, Turkey ain't mad. They they are good people

1764
01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>over there, you know. I kind of like Turkey. It's

1765
01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:09.319
<v Speaker 1>like they'll go like six month increments of being cool

1766
01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and then being assholes, and they bounce back and forth.

1767
01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:16.479
<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous. But that being the case, that kind of

1768
01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:18.560
<v Speaker 1>leads us to this next article. As a matter of fact,

1769
01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:23.199
<v Speaker 1>this one's from your own news. This says thousands protests

1770
01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:28.159
<v Speaker 1>against arrests of istanbul Mayer seen as Key erged erged again.

1771
01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I don't know why the G is pronounced that way.

1772
01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't even know what that uh what that

1773
01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:39.439
<v Speaker 1>literary device is called over the G that makes it

1774
01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>a y noise. But okay, to one sure. His rival

1775
01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>authorities close off roads and implemented a four day demonstration

1776
01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>band in an effort to prevent protests following ekrum Yep

1777
01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:54.479
<v Speaker 1>the rest.

1778
01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Im Moglu I think, or imamlu.

1779
01:41:57.479 --> 01:42:03.439
<v Speaker 1>Imamlu Ima Moyulu. Yeah, the mayor, the mayor, they arrested him.

1780
01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Protests are happening, and they just put a ban on

1781
01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:09.479
<v Speaker 1>the protest for four days. Thousands of protesters took to

1782
01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the street of Istanbul on Thursday following the arrest of

1783
01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:15.119
<v Speaker 1>the city's mayor, the opposition figure is seen as a

1784
01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>key rival to the president. Several roads have been closed,

1785
01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>some social media platforms were restricted, and a four day

1786
01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:24.640
<v Speaker 1>demonstration ban was put in place in an attempt to

1787
01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:29.039
<v Speaker 1>thwart protests. However, despite the band, many gathered outside Istanbul's

1788
01:42:29.079 --> 01:42:32.800
<v Speaker 1>police headquarters, the city hall, and outside the headquarters of

1789
01:42:33.039 --> 01:42:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the mayor's Republican People's Party office. How about that. Wow, Okay,

1790
01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>this is a direct quote here. He said. This is

1791
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:47.439
<v Speaker 1>not democracy, It's a sham of democracy. The people do

1792
01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:50.840
<v Speaker 1>not deserve this, and we are upset. Of course, as humans,

1793
01:42:50.920 --> 01:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>we are upset. Rio police blocked off roads leading to

1794
01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the Vatan Security Department where the mayor was taken following

1795
01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>his arrests. The mayor is a popular opposition leader and

1796
01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:06.479
<v Speaker 1>the main rival to the President of Turkey. A total

1797
01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:09.359
<v Speaker 1>of one hundred people, including the mayor and several prominent figures,

1798
01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:11.439
<v Speaker 1>were arrested. I have a weird feeling that they're not

1799
01:43:11.479 --> 01:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>going to survive much longer now they're in custody. I

1800
01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:17.720
<v Speaker 1>could be wrong. The mayor and his aides are suspected

1801
01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:22.439
<v Speaker 1>of alleged corruption, including extortion and fraud, as well as

1802
01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:27.079
<v Speaker 1>aiding in the Kurdistan Workers Party. Oh no, here we

1803
01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:31.039
<v Speaker 1>go now, I understand why the President of Turkey hates

1804
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>this guy. If he's even slightly friendly to the Kurds.

1805
01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:39.439
<v Speaker 1>This makes sense. The PKK is an outlawed party classified

1806
01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:44.279
<v Speaker 1>as a terrorist organization by the Ankara, Washington, and other

1807
01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Turkish allies. The mayor's arrest comes amid a wider crackdown

1808
01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:52.520
<v Speaker 1>on opposition figures, which has been criticized as a politically

1809
01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:57.920
<v Speaker 1>motivated in an attempt to silence dissent descent. A day earlier,

1810
01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:02.600
<v Speaker 1>istan Bull University revoked the mayor's bachelor degree, a requisite

1811
01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>for running in elections under Turkish law. You know something,

1812
01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I kind of like that, to run for a local office,

1813
01:44:10.359 --> 01:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>you have to have some sort of higher education and

1814
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:17.199
<v Speaker 1>you have to hold a bachelor's degree. I like that personally.

1815
01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I like that. Now, granted, I think it should also

1816
01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:22.239
<v Speaker 1>have some sort of distinction on what type of bachelor's degree.

1817
01:44:22.279 --> 01:44:25.279
<v Speaker 1>If you have a bachelor's in like underwater basket weaving,

1818
01:44:25.319 --> 01:44:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that that means that you should be

1819
01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:29.399
<v Speaker 1>able to run. But you know, there are things, they're stuff.

1820
01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:34.199
<v Speaker 1>But basically, the college that he got the bachelor's degree

1821
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>from revoked it, so now he can't even hold office

1822
01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:42.319
<v Speaker 1>under Turkish law. Now that's petty. Speaking at news conferences

1823
01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday, the leader Republican People's Party, Osgar Ozel, sure

1824
01:44:50.239 --> 01:44:54.359
<v Speaker 1>mirror the criticism. He claimed Irdawin has had experienced significant

1825
01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:58.920
<v Speaker 1>losses in local elections last year, targeted the mayor as

1826
01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:02.000
<v Speaker 1>he feared losing him, alluding to him in the ballots.

1827
01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Ozel also accused authorities of a coup attempt. They can

1828
01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>do any evil we are. We are ready for any

1829
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>evil they can do, because it is clear that the

1830
01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:16.079
<v Speaker 1>issue is not a political struggle, but a matter of

1831
01:45:16.239 --> 01:45:20.760
<v Speaker 1>existence or non existence for the country, he added. Turkey's

1832
01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Justice minner Yamas tunk Tunk Sure counted the allegations and

1833
01:45:25.920 --> 01:45:32.319
<v Speaker 1>reminded that the courts operate independently. Characterizing investigations carried out

1834
01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>by an impartial and independent judiciary as something like a

1835
01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:40.359
<v Speaker 1>coup or using similar terms is extremely dangerous and incorrect,

1836
01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Tounk said. The Justice Minister emphasized that the judiciary does

1837
01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:50.439
<v Speaker 1>not take instructions from anyone. Linking investigations and cases initiated

1838
01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:54.880
<v Speaker 1>by the judiciary to our president is at best presumptuous

1839
01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:58.880
<v Speaker 1>and inappropriate. The separation of powers between the legislative, executive

1840
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and judiciary is essential in our country, he concluded. On Tuesday,

1841
01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:08.159
<v Speaker 1>the European Commission President Ursula vonder Lean Vonderleyan I feel

1842
01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:10.840
<v Speaker 1>like I've heard that name before, express deep concern over

1843
01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:14.039
<v Speaker 1>the mayor's arrest and reminded Turkey of its obligation to

1844
01:46:14.199 --> 01:46:19.239
<v Speaker 1>uphold democratic values. Turkey is an EU candidate country. Turkey

1845
01:46:19.319 --> 01:46:22.119
<v Speaker 1>must uphold the democratic values, especially the rights of the

1846
01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:25.960
<v Speaker 1>elected officials. She told reporters in Brussels. We want Turkey

1847
01:46:26.039 --> 01:46:29.159
<v Speaker 1>to remain anchored to Europe. But this requires a clear

1848
01:46:29.239 --> 01:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>commitment to democratic norms and practices, and is and is

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01:46:33.880 --> 01:46:38.159
<v Speaker 1>key that Turkey respects these fundamental principles. She added, Okay,

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01:46:39.159 --> 01:46:42.880
<v Speaker 1>so essentially Turkey's got some wild stuff going on with

1851
01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:48.760
<v Speaker 1>it right now. That's very interesting. Uh, Okay, I didn't

1852
01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:51.079
<v Speaker 1>know that they'd gone to having riots in the streets

1853
01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:56.079
<v Speaker 1>and having the main opposition leader to Erdwin arrested. Now

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01:46:56.199 --> 01:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's another level. Now. I also didn't know that

1855
01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:02.199
<v Speaker 1>the main opposition leader to Earth was allying himself to

1856
01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:06.199
<v Speaker 1>the Kurds. Like that's an understood. Everyone hates the Kurds.

1857
01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Which I wish that Kurdistan would become a country as

1858
01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:12.119
<v Speaker 1>much as I think Israel should be a country, and

1859
01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that should be a thing. The Kurds need place to

1860
01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:18.840
<v Speaker 1>call their home. Otherwise they're just gonna keep getting genocided

1861
01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:22.199
<v Speaker 1>by all the other Arabs. We can't have that, you know.

1862
01:47:22.359 --> 01:47:25.159
<v Speaker 1>But then it's like where are they're gonna go? Who's

1863
01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:27.199
<v Speaker 1>gonna give up the land? Dah bah bah bets yeah,

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01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:27.880
<v Speaker 1>all the stuff.

1865
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<v Speaker 2>Right, So, session movements are not really popular with the

1866
01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:33.479
<v Speaker 2>governments that don't want them to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I want to.

1868
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<v Speaker 2>Talk a little bit about the history the CHP, the

1869
01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Republican People's Party, which I just looked up and I'm

1870
01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:45.920
<v Speaker 2>not an expert on this, but this is the party

1871
01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:50.880
<v Speaker 2>of Mustapha Kamal out of Turk who listeners may know

1872
01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:55.439
<v Speaker 2>as the founder of modern Turkey, who replaced the Ottoman Empire.

1873
01:47:55.960 --> 01:47:59.319
<v Speaker 2>And this party has been exist in existence we're all

1874
01:47:59.439 --> 01:48:02.399
<v Speaker 2>but a couple years in the eighties ever since then,

1875
01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:06.319
<v Speaker 2>but they're a minority party now and Air Dowan's party

1876
01:48:06.439 --> 01:48:08.720
<v Speaker 2>is the biggest one. I don't know the name of it.

1877
01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't speak Turkish, but this Republican People's Party, Okay,

1878
01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Air Dowon's party is more like the Republicans. They're more

1879
01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:19.600
<v Speaker 2>right wing, they're more religious, and they've gotten a big

1880
01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:23.439
<v Speaker 2>boost in the last few decades because the eastern part

1881
01:48:23.479 --> 01:48:25.399
<v Speaker 2>of the country is more religious and has a higher

1882
01:48:25.479 --> 01:48:30.359
<v Speaker 2>birth rate. The western half has Istanbul and Ankara, and

1883
01:48:31.399 --> 01:48:33.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of like in America, the big cities tend to

1884
01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:37.159
<v Speaker 2>be more liberal, and the big cities are more in

1885
01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:41.239
<v Speaker 2>favor of this Republican People's Party. And if I can

1886
01:48:41.359 --> 01:48:45.199
<v Speaker 2>read just off of Wikipedia. The ideological and political positions

1887
01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:50.119
<v Speaker 2>please of the CHP. It says they numerous politicians have

1888
01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:53.960
<v Speaker 2>espoused LGBT rights and the feminist movement in Turkey, just

1889
01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:58.560
<v Speaker 2>as you know, kind of indicator of where they are.

1890
01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:03.680
<v Speaker 2>They spouse social democracy in Kamalism Kamal refers to Mustafa

1891
01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Kamal out of Turk from back in the nineteen twenties.

1892
01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:11.600
<v Speaker 2>And they are softer on the Kurdish question and something

1893
01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:13.520
<v Speaker 2>having to do with Cyprus that I don't know a

1894
01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:17.479
<v Speaker 2>hell of a lot about. In terms of their foreign policy,

1895
01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:22.000
<v Speaker 2>they are very They waffle a lot, kind of like Arawan.

1896
01:49:22.279 --> 01:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>They'll say pro Israel stuff sometimes but anti Israel stuff

1897
01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:31.880
<v Speaker 2>other times. Chairman uz Uzel accused Israel of committing state

1898
01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:35.720
<v Speaker 2>sanctioned terrorism on Palestinian people, declaring the Turkish left is

1899
01:49:35.800 --> 01:49:39.039
<v Speaker 2>never far from the Palestinian cause. But he also said

1900
01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:43.479
<v Speaker 2>that the October seventh attack against Israel constitutes quote an

1901
01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:48.159
<v Speaker 2>act of terrorism end quote. As far as other Turkish

1902
01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:53.039
<v Speaker 2>foreign policy, the CHP supported Turkish intervention in Libya, and

1903
01:49:53.439 --> 01:49:56.600
<v Speaker 2>it has voted against intervention in Iraq since twenty twenty one.

1904
01:49:57.199 --> 01:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Since twenty twenty three, it has also voted against inter

1905
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:02.399
<v Speaker 2>mentioned in Syria. It has a big border with Syria,

1906
01:50:02.640 --> 01:50:05.520
<v Speaker 2>and people might not that Turkey has kept a lot

1907
01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:10.600
<v Speaker 2>of those HTS fighters safe in id Lib until they

1908
01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:14.800
<v Speaker 2>took over in December twenty twenty four. And I don't

1909
01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:17.199
<v Speaker 2>know what it means that the CHP it has voted

1910
01:50:17.239 --> 01:50:19.600
<v Speaker 2>against intervention in Syria. Does that mean it's more pro

1911
01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:22.079
<v Speaker 2>ASOD or it was because Asad was still in power

1912
01:50:22.119 --> 01:50:26.680
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three. But most importantly, I would say

1913
01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the party is pro European and supports Turkish membership to

1914
01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the European Union. They also supported Turkish membership in NATO.

1915
01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:41.479
<v Speaker 2>The party voted overwhelmingly in favor of Finland and Sweden's

1916
01:50:41.640 --> 01:50:45.920
<v Speaker 2>accession into NATO, and Arado I was kind of against

1917
01:50:46.039 --> 01:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>that because Sweden and Finland had pro PKK pro Kurdish

1918
01:50:52.079 --> 01:50:56.159
<v Speaker 2>things to say until they took a more pro Airedwan

1919
01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:59.800
<v Speaker 2>stance on that, but that was a sticking point. Turkey

1920
01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:03.600
<v Speaker 2>almost prevented Finland and Sweden from joining NATO in twenty

1921
01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:05.439
<v Speaker 2>twenty three. I'm pretty sure.

1922
01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I remember hearing about that as a matter of fact,

1923
01:51:08.119 --> 01:51:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, and I didn't know the in the

1924
01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:14.039
<v Speaker 1>inner workings of that deal, but I remember that it

1925
01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:17.079
<v Speaker 1>pretty much unanimously has to be voted yes for a

1926
01:51:17.199 --> 01:51:20.560
<v Speaker 1>new country to join NATO, and Turkey was withholding. Now,

1927
01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:23.680
<v Speaker 1>some people were saying that that was because Erduwan had

1928
01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:27.800
<v Speaker 1>some sort of like under the table alliance to Russia

1929
01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:30.239
<v Speaker 1>into Putin, and so it was kind of like he

1930
01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:33.000
<v Speaker 1>was waiting to see if Putin was going to he

1931
01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:34.960
<v Speaker 1>was waiting to see if the money would be wired.

1932
01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:38.720
<v Speaker 1>And that's not correct, that's a euphemism, but whatever the

1933
01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>case was, he was trying to like muscle for position

1934
01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:42.920
<v Speaker 1>or try to get in the better graces of Putin.

1935
01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:46.359
<v Speaker 1>And then he gave him the thumbs up, so it's like, okay,

1936
01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:48.880
<v Speaker 1>so he was just withholding to be a dick. Then

1937
01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:54.119
<v Speaker 1>we hear that no, they had Kurdish leanings for those countries.

1938
01:51:54.840 --> 01:51:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Those countries are on the opposite side of the continent.

1939
01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:01.239
<v Speaker 1>They can have whatever opinions they want. What about that,

1940
01:52:01.399 --> 01:52:05.359
<v Speaker 1>That's ridiculous, But one is doing his his thing, so.

1941
01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, one and the Turkish government in general, they

1942
01:52:10.279 --> 01:52:14.079
<v Speaker 2>try to play down the middle between European interests and

1943
01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Russian interests. They don't want to gravitate too far in

1944
01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:19.800
<v Speaker 2>either one of those directions. So even if their government

1945
01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:22.399
<v Speaker 2>gets replaced by this new guy, I don't think their

1946
01:52:22.439 --> 01:52:26.399
<v Speaker 2>foreign policy is going to change much. But to one

1947
01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I would predict he manages to hold onto power, because

1948
01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:32.640
<v Speaker 2>he did in twenty seventeen, they'll probably hold on again.

1949
01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>There's one more section here in Wikipedia. It says the

1950
01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:39.880
<v Speaker 2>CHP draws its support from professional, middle class, secular and

1951
01:52:40.119 --> 01:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>liberally religious voters, so more liberal. It's kind of like

1952
01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:50.000
<v Speaker 2>the Democrats a Turkey to Airdwan's right wing Republicans, just

1953
01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:53.720
<v Speaker 2>to draw a very rough analogy to American politics. And

1954
01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:58.439
<v Speaker 2>they're I don't know, he might win, but I would

1955
01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:03.279
<v Speaker 2>still bet the Arewana is gonna be president a week

1956
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:03.680
<v Speaker 2>from now.

1957
01:53:04.199 --> 01:53:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh I would. I would think so, seeing as how

1958
01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:11.520
<v Speaker 1>his main opposition just got arrested. M h yeah, I'm yeah.

1959
01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:14.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at maps of Turkey. It's all in the west,

1960
01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:16.800
<v Speaker 2>where he's got to support, and the coastline, but then

1961
01:53:17.439 --> 01:53:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the rest of Turkey is all the yellow color, which

1962
01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:22.319
<v Speaker 2>is Aredwan's party, and then the east is this other color,

1963
01:53:22.359 --> 01:53:23.319
<v Speaker 2>which is the Kurdish.

1964
01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I said, of people that inhabit Turkey, it's

1965
01:53:26.880 --> 01:53:29.159
<v Speaker 1>like a third of the country all on the eastern

1966
01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:33.920
<v Speaker 1>side the southeastern I should say, and it's very Kurdish, uh.

1967
01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say dominant, but per population numbers, Yeah,

1968
01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the Kurds definitely. And that's their area. I mean, if

1969
01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:45.680
<v Speaker 1>you look take away country's lines for two seconds, take

1970
01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:52.119
<v Speaker 1>away borders north Syria, southeast or yeah, yeah, so northeast Syria,

1971
01:53:52.319 --> 01:53:58.399
<v Speaker 1>southeast Turkey, north west Iraq and that section of azerby

1972
01:53:58.439 --> 01:54:01.680
<v Speaker 1>John right there, that whole set is like the Kurds,

1973
01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:06.079
<v Speaker 1>if you want to call it their hereditary land. It's

1974
01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:07.720
<v Speaker 1>not like they have some sort of a promised land

1975
01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:10.199
<v Speaker 1>situation like the Jews did to Israel. It's nothing to

1976
01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:13.399
<v Speaker 1>that regard, but that is where they have primarily been

1977
01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:17.880
<v Speaker 1>located for a very very long time. So that is

1978
01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:21.199
<v Speaker 1>where the potential for a Kurdistan could happen. Now with

1979
01:54:21.359 --> 01:54:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Syria being so fractured, there is a section of it

1980
01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>that is calling itself a makeshift Kurdistan. But it's not

1981
01:54:29.399 --> 01:54:31.720
<v Speaker 1>like the Kurds of Turkey are lining up to go

1982
01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:34.479
<v Speaker 1>there right now because the country is a little bit

1983
01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of upheaval and they are safer in Turkey even though

1984
01:54:37.560 --> 01:54:44.319
<v Speaker 1>they are ostracized, and well, I don't want to say subjugated,

1985
01:54:44.359 --> 01:54:47.399
<v Speaker 1>but like, for instance, it's illegal for them to speak

1986
01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Kurdish in the schools there. Erdawan made it illegal for

1987
01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:54.319
<v Speaker 1>them to even do most of their Kurdish practices for

1988
01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:57.079
<v Speaker 1>a good bit there. So they are absolutely under the

1989
01:54:57.199 --> 01:55:01.479
<v Speaker 1>thumb of the you know, country that they currently reside in.

1990
01:55:01.920 --> 01:55:03.640
<v Speaker 1>But they're still safer there than if they were to

1991
01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:06.119
<v Speaker 1>try to go out to Syria and carve out a

1992
01:55:06.159 --> 01:55:08.159
<v Speaker 1>section in the world for themselves right now, and they

1993
01:55:08.239 --> 01:55:11.760
<v Speaker 1>know that. I don't know how many Kurds are still

1994
01:55:11.840 --> 01:55:14.439
<v Speaker 1>currently living in Iraq. I think Saddam kind of did

1995
01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of damage with the genocide that he did

1996
01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:20.159
<v Speaker 1>with the Sayer and gas bombs that America sold him

1997
01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:22.720
<v Speaker 1>to the Kurds at that point in time. So I mean,

1998
01:55:22.720 --> 01:55:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'm not mistaken. In Azerbaijohn, there's

1999
01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:31.439
<v Speaker 1>a very small Kurdish population, but they they they don't

2000
01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:35.720
<v Speaker 1>really cause any fuss over there. The Kurds are mining

2001
01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:37.479
<v Speaker 1>their p's and q's there because they're not trying to

2002
01:55:37.560 --> 01:55:41.439
<v Speaker 1>rock the boat. So yeah, this makes sense. But again,

2003
01:55:41.560 --> 01:55:45.680
<v Speaker 1>if a political opponent to the current standard, the guy

2004
01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that's been in charge for as long as he's been

2005
01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:52.159
<v Speaker 1>in charge, is spitting some pro Kurdish rhetoric. I have

2006
01:55:52.239 --> 01:55:55.720
<v Speaker 1>a feeling the vast majority of Turkey doesn't want to up,

2007
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, upset the status quo that they've been living

2008
01:55:58.720 --> 01:56:02.680
<v Speaker 1>in for so long. So I'm bummed that he got arrested.

2009
01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I wish it would have been a fair and valid election.

2010
01:56:05.279 --> 01:56:09.239
<v Speaker 1>But then even still, let's say that, like the NATO

2011
01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:12.720
<v Speaker 1>chick said, or the EU chick said, you know, if

2012
01:56:12.720 --> 01:56:14.239
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be a part of the EU, you have

2013
01:56:14.399 --> 01:56:18.479
<v Speaker 1>to uphold democracy. And if he doesn't, what are you

2014
01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:20.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna do. You're gonna kick him out of the EU,

2015
01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you kick him out of NATO. No, No, they're not

2016
01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:27.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna do They're not gonna do shit. So if anything

2017
01:56:27.960 --> 01:56:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Irdawin's probably just making them called or bluff.

2018
01:56:32.239 --> 01:56:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think democracy tends to be in the

2019
01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:36.680
<v Speaker 2>eye of the beholder. There's no country out there that's

2020
01:56:36.680 --> 01:56:40.359
<v Speaker 2>perfectly democratic, and I don't think any country should be

2021
01:56:40.439 --> 01:56:45.960
<v Speaker 2>perfectly democratic. Democracy is one of only several ways to

2022
01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:50.800
<v Speaker 2>organize any organization, government or not. There's democracy, there's only garchy,

2023
01:56:50.840 --> 01:56:55.199
<v Speaker 2>and there's monarchy. And all our favorite companies are monarchies.

2024
01:56:56.079 --> 01:56:58.479
<v Speaker 2>They get run from the top down. There's a hierarchy.

2025
01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Democracy is approp for sometimes but not all the time.

2026
01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:05.560
<v Speaker 2>And a good well functioning society knows how to make

2027
01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:11.199
<v Speaker 2>some decisions democratic and others decisions. Not every society will

2028
01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:15.720
<v Speaker 2>draw that line somewhere so absolutely like you're representatives, but

2029
01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>you can't amend the constitution easily, or that's got to

2030
01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:20.960
<v Speaker 2>go through you know, several other layers.

2031
01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:23.960
<v Speaker 1>And then even if you do per the letter of

2032
01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the law, that's not going to change the culture in

2033
01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the mindset of the inhabitants of that area or the

2034
01:57:29.319 --> 01:57:32.560
<v Speaker 1>employees of that company, if you will. Like there's it

2035
01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:36.560
<v Speaker 1>takes time, it takes change, and it takes just sometimes

2036
01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:40.439
<v Speaker 1>an overhaul is needed, agreed. I just don't really think

2037
01:57:40.479 --> 01:57:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the Turkey's about to get that overhaul. I could be

2038
01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:45.560
<v Speaker 1>so wrong here, and these these riots in the streets

2039
01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:48.239
<v Speaker 1>might grow, just like they're growing in Serbia right now.

2040
01:57:48.399 --> 01:57:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Who knows what will happen. I just have a sneaking

2041
01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:57.159
<v Speaker 1>suspicion because Turkey is way more of a they're way

2042
01:57:57.239 --> 01:58:02.880
<v Speaker 1>more structured as a nation than Serbia. In Romania and Ukraine,

2043
01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:05.920
<v Speaker 1>right it's they've got more of a long standing tradition

2044
01:58:06.119 --> 01:58:11.159
<v Speaker 1>of a status quo that is maintained not so much

2045
01:58:11.199 --> 01:58:13.479
<v Speaker 1>in these other countries. So I just I don't know.

2046
01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that Erdwin's in any risk of losing

2047
01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:18.279
<v Speaker 1>his job by any means, at least not this go round.

2048
01:58:18.359 --> 01:58:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Who knows what the future holds. I think his position

2049
01:58:21.119 --> 01:58:24.000
<v Speaker 1>is pretty secure at the moment, though a.

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01:58:24.039 --> 01:58:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Lot of people are talking about what does this mean

2051
01:58:26.600 --> 01:58:29.640
<v Speaker 2>for Israel, and I don't think it will mean any difference.

2052
01:58:30.079 --> 01:58:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Erdwan has been kind of middle of the road. There's,

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<v Speaker 2>of course some Islamists in Turkey who want to cut

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<v Speaker 2>off all trade with Israel, and Erdawan has cut off

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<v Speaker 2>some but not all. And I think that this other

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<v Speaker 2>guy would do very similar things. I think the general

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<v Speaker 2>attitude about Israel in a place like Egypt and Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot scarier. Yeah, is a lot worse, but

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<v Speaker 2>those the governments of those countries receive a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>usaid and they're kind of sewn up. So Egypt and

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan are not going to make any moves against Israel

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<v Speaker 2>because their governments are they're relatively pro Israel, much more

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<v Speaker 2>than their populations are. There's millions of members of the

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<v Speaker 2>Islamic brother or what Muslim brotherhood in Jordan and in Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure I think it started in Egypt. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but those governments, and I think Israel is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>afraid what if there's another you know, Arab spring in Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>like there was. I guess that would have been twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been later than twenty eleven, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was when Mohammed Morsey got into power. He only lasted

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<v Speaker 2>a little while and he was cooed out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>Mohammed Morsey would have been bad news for Israel, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're probably right to be afraid of another one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I agree with that, but yeah, the whole thought

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<v Speaker 1>of like this whole situation in Turkey, what does that

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<v Speaker 1>mean for Israel? I personally am with you on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's going to actually have any effect

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<v Speaker 1>on what's going down with Israel or Gaza or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Turkey has enough of their own problems to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with, and they're trying to appease all their European

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote brethren. They are not about to start taking

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<v Speaker 1>a hard stance pro or against Israel. If anything, They're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna take as much of a neutrality stance as

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<v Speaker 1>they can. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna play in

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<v Speaker 1>anything here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here's another kind of long term cultural thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>I get the sense Turks, like Persians, kind of look

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<v Speaker 2>down on Arabs, So they're not super pro arab even

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<v Speaker 2>though they're up. They're Muslim, they're all Muslim, they got

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<v Speaker 2>that in common, but ethnically they still kind of look

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<v Speaker 2>down on them a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Turkey and Iran, with their Persian backgrounds and their

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<v Speaker 1>Zoroastrian backgrounds, when they went hard Islamic, they left a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of their I'm talking ancient, long standing, proud culture

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<v Speaker 1>by the wayside. But even still, it's like when you

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<v Speaker 1>say the term Turk or sorry Persian, you are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the Turks, you are also talking about the Iranian.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, the Turks they were Byzantine before, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Persians were Iranian. But then I think the Cellucids or

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<v Speaker 2>the Seljuks invaded Turkey from Central Asia and they changed

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<v Speaker 2>the identity of the place again. But you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't Persian. But I get the sense of the Persians

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<v Speaker 2>and the Turks both looked down on Arabs because they

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<v Speaker 2>both well, especially the Ottomans, they dominated Arabia for so

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<v Speaker 2>long and then the Arabians fought back and seceded, and well,

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<v Speaker 2>they just looked down on them as, Oh, they're less educated,

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<v Speaker 2>they're more violent than we are. We're more civilized than

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<v Speaker 2>they are. That's the overall mindset that I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gather from them.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. I think culturally there's that looking down their

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<v Speaker 1>nose at their neighbors. For that, it's it's racism by

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<v Speaker 1>any other standpoint, but because it's Persian versus Arab or

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<v Speaker 1>Turk versus Arab, I guess it's it's viewed differently even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's another version of racism, and that's that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a long standing cultural feud. You're one hundred percent correct

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I don't know who knows how things are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna shake out, as we always do. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>will be talking about it as things play out. We

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<v Speaker 1>do have a couple more things that you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just not gonna get to tonight. Royce. I do appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you sending the Goblin in Mexico thing. Let's put a

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<v Speaker 1>pin in that one and we'll talk about that next

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<v Speaker 1>week because that's pretty crazy. Or send it to the

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<v Speaker 1>Cult Conspiracy Live on Tuesday, because that also I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like Jonathan, we get a kick out of that one

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 14>That's harder to do because there's so many more people

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<v Speaker 14>there and just so much more crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, that's fair, all right. Well, I will try

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<v Speaker 1>to do what I can to pull that, and I

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<v Speaker 1>saved it on my computer, so I'm gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>little digging into that, and hell, that might even become

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<v Speaker 1>a cult conspiracy episode. To be honest with you, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard anything about it until tonight, but we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>how it goes. Man.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean I only said it honestly because so first

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<v Speaker 14>of all, I'm huge into cryptids, and because you guys

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<v Speaker 14>did an episode about cryptids not too long ago, I

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<v Speaker 14>was like, ooh.

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<v Speaker 1>This would kind of be cool, absolutely, man, and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you sending it, all right. So with that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate everybody for coming out on this evening and

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<v Speaker 1>doing this live conversation about all the comings and goings

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<v Speaker 1>of the world we live in today. Again, for anybody

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this later on that would like to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the conversation next week, go to the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes here. Go to Cajun Night on Patreon. Join us.

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<v Speaker 1>We do this every Wednesday night at nine pm Central.

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<v Speaker 1>We only go for a couple of hours. We talk

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<v Speaker 1>about any and all things. There's nothing really off limits,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do try to stick more to the geopolitical

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<v Speaker 1>and the religious and the just overarching sometimes military, sometimes cryptids.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes there's no rules here. There's no rules here. We're

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<v Speaker 1>just going off onto whatever comes up first. And so again,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you everybody for joining, and thank you everybody for listening.

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