Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody, and welcome to another edition of The
Speaker 1: Cajun Night Live. I am your host The Cajun Night
Speaker 1: Jacob Mook, and uh. I do need to apologize if
Speaker 1: I do sound like my I'm a bit easily right
Speaker 1: now out of nowhere. The pollen has smacked me. I've
Speaker 1: never had pollen allergies in my life, but today it
Speaker 1: smacked me like a ton of bricks. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: in a weird head fog at this moment. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: why I'm kind of on one. Before we started recording,
Speaker 1: I was kind of throwing some shade at you know,
Speaker 1: Target and Starbucks and places that I just don't like frequenting.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I got a little extra you know,
Speaker 1: gas in the tank on that one right now. Just
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just kind of in that head fog.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a couple of things going on
Speaker 1: around the world, and I don't know if anybody has
Speaker 1: brought any topics that they would like to bring up,
Speaker 1: but just a few things that I saw that I
Speaker 1: feel like we just need to kind of talk about here.
Speaker 1: Number One, what's going down in Yemen and how that
Speaker 1: connects with Iran and how Trump pretty much told Iran, yo,
Speaker 1: if you help the hoo thies your next you can
Speaker 1: get these missiles as well. And then they like backed off.
Speaker 1: Two Trump and Putin had a really good phone conversation,
Speaker 1: like a two hour long phone conversation, which I thought
Speaker 1: was actually a very positive thing, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: breach some of those gaps, which hey, I'm here for
Speaker 1: we're all trying to end the war. Allegedly, I I, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a thing. Then apparently both sides are claiming that
Speaker 1: the other side is lying about what was said in
Speaker 1: said phone conversation, and that's kind of weird too. Apparently
Speaker 1: they talked about like hockey somehow they got on the
Speaker 1: topic of talking about sports, and we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it right then. Let's see what else
Speaker 1: we got going on here. Who these attempted to break
Speaker 1: the eleventh Commandment? Now shot not touch America's fucking boats.
Speaker 1: And they're finding out right now. It's a whole thing.
Speaker 1: Oh and then a weird subaddendum. Apparently Brazil is cutting
Speaker 1: down a section of the rainforest in order to make
Speaker 1: way for a road to bring people to the climate
Speaker 1: change summit they're hosting the jokes right themselves, everybody. I
Speaker 1: wish this was a joke, but here we are. Alex
Speaker 1: sends in the in the chat, I cast check engine light. Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. That hits home with me right now.
Speaker 1: My check engine light's been on for far too long,
Speaker 1: and today that the motor started knocking extra hard, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, ugh, here we go. And it's the
Speaker 1: card that I've been needing to trade in for like
Speaker 1: two years, so I knew this day was gonna come.
Speaker 1: But it's also like, ugh, yeah, here we go. It's
Speaker 1: a whole thing anyway. Anyway, all right, So before I
Speaker 1: get into any of the stuff that I got that
Speaker 1: articles and videos that got pulled up, if anybody has
Speaker 1: anything that they have brought or that they want to
Speaker 1: talk about on any of the things religious or geopolitic
Speaker 1: or boohrd or whatever else, by all means, feel free
Speaker 1: to air them at this time. Or better yet, if
Speaker 1: y'all have something that you want to share with the class,
Speaker 1: drop the link in the chat and I'll be able
Speaker 1: to pull it up or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: But I mean, whatever y'all got, feel free.
Speaker 2: Well here's one thing. There's lots of protests in Turkey
Speaker 2: against Erdiwan, and I guess internet and media have been
Speaker 2: cut off, and some people think that he's about to
Speaker 2: be overthrown again, like in the coup that happened in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen I believe, which was unsuccessful. But who knows
Speaker 2: who's going to replace them. Syrian girl thinks it's going
Speaker 2: to be some CIA back person, but other people think
Speaker 2: it's going to be someone kind of to the right
Speaker 2: of him, so to speak, in the Islamic political scene,
Speaker 2: somebody more at he Israel than him. Let's see who
Speaker 2: these I haven't really been keeping up on much of
Speaker 2: that stuff, but yeah, we got stuff to get into.
Speaker 1: Oh man, hold, I'm gonna look this up now. Turkey
Speaker 1: is I didn't know they had these types of protests
Speaker 1: going on now over air to one that's great and
Speaker 1: in response to what, like what did he particularly do
Speaker 1: to like sparkle of it?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, but he's considered, you know, Israel's
Speaker 2: a device was subject. Some people think he's not doing
Speaker 2: enough to help the Palestinians. That's why, I gather is
Speaker 2: the main complaint. One thing going on in Turkey is
Speaker 2: that the Western half of the country is more liberal
Speaker 2: and the eastern half is more Islamist yah, and the
Speaker 2: western half's population has been declining in the eastern half
Speaker 2: has been rising for decades, and demographically, this is just
Speaker 2: going to force Turkey in that direction.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, wow, let's get into it here. Actually home,
Speaker 1: Before I do that, I got two more articles that
Speaker 1: people have sent in, and I'm gonna pull up all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Yemen one. We'll bring that over. Yeah, okay, and
Speaker 1: then uh, let me see. Royce just sent one in
Speaker 1: that I need to pull up as well. Oh and
Speaker 1: Zombie sent another one. Hold on, no AP news article
Speaker 1: Turkey is simple. Yeah, I got that one pulled up. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm not sure if I got the AP
Speaker 1: one pulled up or no, I got your own news.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I got that article. Oh, for the love
Speaker 1: of help, Royce, what we got gut? Come on in
Speaker 1: caves man, all right, I mean, why not? Why not?
Speaker 1: You know? All right? All right, all right, So let's
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Speaker 1: So first one, I figure we start off with a
Speaker 1: lighter note. Okay, I'm just gonna play a little bit
Speaker 1: of this clip here. This is from a guy named
Speaker 1: habitual Line Cross or if anybody doesn't know him, I
Speaker 1: cannot promote him enough. He's doing well enough on his own.
Speaker 1: Do I'm you're wrong, but these are It's like a
Speaker 1: series that he does with countries and geopolitics and planes
Speaker 1: and shit like that. And I thought this was hilarious.
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna go ahead and play it at
Speaker 1: this time.
Speaker 3: Sorry, where is it all coming from?
Speaker 4: Where is the commands. What do you mean it was
Speaker 4: blown up? Well, where the fuck are my troops? We
Speaker 4: need to fight back against the American oppression?
Speaker 5: Where is ever her?
Speaker 4: But they gone, what the fuck? What in the bloody
Speaker 4: hell is going on over in Yemen?
Speaker 3: I'm just helping them work through some stuff.
Speaker 6: I disclaimer at this point in time, the only thing
Speaker 6: we know that's been used over there is F eighteen,
Speaker 6: So so that character is going to be used here
Speaker 6: in a second. But you know, as more news comes out,
Speaker 6: we'll probably throw it into the lore. It's just right now,
Speaker 6: we don't know a.
Speaker 4: Yemen surprise motherfucker put out that fire over there?
Speaker 3: What is the causualty counter right now? You don't know, America,
Speaker 3: Fabia for me to tell you what you should be
Speaker 3: doing in the Middle East. But they stopped shooting for
Speaker 3: a little while, and we're just kind of waiting to
Speaker 3: see what happened in Israel and Gaza. Why are you
Speaker 3: tucking them now?
Speaker 7: Well, they threatened to start again, and they kind of
Speaker 7: broke one of the eleven commandments.
Speaker 3: Eleven there are only ten.
Speaker 7: Oh sorry, we modified it over here. Number eleven is
Speaker 7: thou shalt not touch boats.
Speaker 3: America. We will retaliate for this.
Speaker 8: You have no idea what you have started over here
Speaker 8: with the HOOTI rebels Iran.
Speaker 5: I'm going to need some more munitions, I Ran, you
Speaker 5: give them a bullet your fucking next. The other world
Speaker 5: will not cower before your threats. America, the many people
Speaker 5: are governed on their own accord, and I have no.
Speaker 8: Control over them, nor do I support them. I will
Speaker 8: not be intervening in this. Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 6: Apparently somebody over there and I Ran just got a
Speaker 6: hold that Google and kinda figured out what history told
Speaker 6: them about touching America's fucking bouts. I also might have
Speaker 6: sent them, I don't know, three terabytes of pictures of
Speaker 6: praying manass praying Mantish, praying Manti.
Speaker 3: How the fuck you plaraalize praying manas.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna do a throwback and modify line from The
Speaker 7: Demolition Man Simon Phoenix, which is arguably Wesley Snipe's best role,
Speaker 7: better than Blade in my opinion, fight me. I told everybody,
Speaker 7: no one touches the boats. Iranians figured it out, the
Speaker 7: Germans figured it out, the Japanese figured it out. But
Speaker 7: the goddamn houthis just wouldn't listen.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was a great humorous way to kind of bring
Speaker 1: about what happened here. So for anybody who doesn't know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna give a little backstory to it.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Yemenes Hoothi rebel fighters, terrorists, whatever you wanna call them,
Speaker 1: they decided that they were gonna chill out with the
Speaker 1: whole pirting and the whole stopping the international trade on
Speaker 1: the waters for a minute, because there was a ceasefire
Speaker 1: that was happening in Israel and the Gaza and the whole,
Speaker 1: the whole shebang over there doing doing their things, gangsters
Speaker 1: and all, and uh, they decided that they were gonna
Speaker 1: hold off to see how this these fire played out.
Speaker 1: Then they decided not only to just say nah, never mind,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go for it. They decided to fire eighteen
Speaker 1: ballistic missiles at the USS Harry Truman, which is an
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier which is supported by a fleet. Now none
Speaker 1: of them hit. For the record, they're hooty rebels. They
Speaker 1: literally can't hit the broad side of a barn at
Speaker 1: their life depended on it. That's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1: They attempted to touch America's boats, which I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: more with. Habitual line crosser is kind of the eleventh
Speaker 1: commandment of the world. Here, we America will intervene with
Speaker 1: a lot of shit that we really shouldn't get involved with.
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to admit we've done that before,
Speaker 1: we will be doing it again. It's kind of our stick.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, the US Navy is pretty
Speaker 1: much the sea police. I'm you know, like that, don't
Speaker 1: like that. America shouldn't be the world police. Fine, fine,
Speaker 1: have that conversation. I get it. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it is only because of the United States Navy that
Speaker 1: international free trade is able to go on to the
Speaker 1: level that it does. Just I think that's a pretty
Speaker 1: much understood thing, and I'm not saying that just to
Speaker 1: beat the chest of America here. That's just kind of
Speaker 1: an understood mathematical fact at this point. So with that
Speaker 1: being said, we don't have many rules as far as
Speaker 1: that goes. You could fuck around and find out with
Speaker 1: each other's countries all you want. Touching America's boats is
Speaker 1: and I mean, yes, we have the joke. Oh Japan
Speaker 1: had the sun unleashed on them twice. Ye yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it, I get it. But all of that aside. Literally,
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson started this with the Barbary pirate situation, and
Speaker 1: from that day forward, it's been understood, if you touch
Speaker 1: America's boats, we destroy every member of your bloodline. Like that.
Speaker 1: That's just what we do, right, And the Hoothies decided
Speaker 1: to fire eighteen ballistic missiles at it. So let's just
Speaker 1: give a quick little recap here. This is from USA today.
Speaker 1: It's only a little minute in two minute long video,
Speaker 1: but uh, this gives a pretty decent background to it.
Speaker 10: All.
Speaker 1: The hooth these have gotten a few hell fire missiles
Speaker 1: dropped on them, a few very strategic munitions, and yes,
Speaker 1: there may or may not have been some civilian casualties.
Speaker 1: You'll have that whenever you have punk bitch terrorists that
Speaker 1: hide among the civilian population, then cry about civilians dying
Speaker 1: whenever they're cornered, right, And that's the whole thing. Insurgents
Speaker 1: will fight and fight and fight until they're absolutely cornered
Speaker 1: and can't go anywhere. Then they'll play the victim card instantly,
Speaker 1: that's all. That's the thing. Consistently throughout history and now
Speaker 1: it's the Houthis turn. They're playing the victim card after
Speaker 1: they just tried to touch America's boat. So let's just
Speaker 1: let's learn a little bit.
Speaker 11: This morning, after the US launched a series of air
Speaker 11: strikes against Houthi rebels in Yemen, President Trump now giving
Speaker 11: their backer Iran a new warning. NBC News White House
Speaker 11: corresponding you, Michel sendor Is traveling with the President in
Speaker 11: West Palm Beach, Amish, Good morning, Good.
Speaker 2: Morning, hallie.
Speaker 12: US warfighters were still carrying out these aerial attacks against
Speaker 12: the Houthi rebels and Yemen when President Trump announced the operation.
Speaker 12: It has killed at least thirty people, according to Huthi
Speaker 12: officials in Yemen. Posting online, the President said the Houthis
Speaker 12: have waged an unrelenting campaign of piracy, violence and terrorism,
Speaker 12: and have choked off shipping in one of the most
Speaker 12: important waterways in the world. Watching the air strikes from
Speaker 12: his Florida home, the President also said he would use
Speaker 12: quote overwhelming lethal force to stop.
Speaker 1: Can we also just take a minute and acknowledge not
Speaker 1: only did our guy here call for airstrikes, he pulled
Speaker 1: them up on his big screen at his house to
Speaker 1: watch them. In real time. That's that's baller, that's pilp.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it anyway, Moving.
Speaker 12: On, stop the houthy attacks on ships in the region.
Speaker 12: He also warned Iran they would be held quote fully
Speaker 12: accountable for hoothy actions, and this morning the vice president
Speaker 12: of the WHO this told NBC News the group will
Speaker 12: respond to the airstrikes with further escalation. On Saturday, President
Speaker 12: Trump also was focused on threats here at home. He
Speaker 12: invoked the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight to
Speaker 12: target Venezuelan gang members. It's a rarely used wartime law
Speaker 12: that was last implemented.
Speaker 3: During World War II. The law could.
Speaker 12: Allow him to remove unauthorized immigrants with little due process,
Speaker 12: but late Saturday, a federal judge temporarily blocked the President
Speaker 12: from using the Alien Enemies Act in that manner, and
Speaker 12: also stopped deportation flights taking Venezuelans out of the country,
Speaker 12: ordering them to return mid flight. The Justice Department, though,
Speaker 12: has already appealed the judge's ruling.
Speaker 11: Hallie Amy Schelson door in West Palm Beach, thank you, hey.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching it over out Roker. That guy needs
Speaker 1: to retire, am I right man anyway, Yeah, fun things,
Speaker 1: fun things. So the hoo Thighs are finding out the
Speaker 1: hard way just to stop, just quit while you're ahead.
Speaker 1: It's time for you to pay it in and then
Speaker 1: Iran as habitual line cross are laid out quite comically,
Speaker 1: I might add. But at the same time, the Huthis
Speaker 1: reached out to their Iranian counterparts to ask for some
Speaker 1: more munitions, and Trump straight up told Iran, listen, you
Speaker 1: fuck around. You're gonna be the next one to find
Speaker 1: out that there's no other way about this, Like we're
Speaker 1: we're handling this. It's gonna get finished. We're done with it.
Speaker 1: And I ran backed off, which is very smart of them,
Speaker 1: I might add, But uh, yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: a wild time right now, y'all.
Speaker 2: So did they mention why the Houthis started blocking off
Speaker 2: the Red Sea again, I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1: So basically it was because they they it stopped because
Speaker 1: there was a ceasefire in Gaza and they were waiting
Speaker 1: to see how that one played out. And then they decided,
Speaker 1: never mind, while nobody's expecting anything, we're gonna go on
Speaker 1: the offensive. And not just on the offensive on just
Speaker 1: regular ships. We're gonna try to punch up at an
Speaker 1: American aircraft carrier because that was wise decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My understanding is the CeaseFire's kind of falling apart,
Speaker 2: and Israel launched a bunch of air strikes, and that's
Speaker 2: why the Houthie's decided to escalate from their own end
Speaker 2: to block off the Red Sea. But I don't see
Speaker 2: so many mentions of that. So basically, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: still revolving around Gaza right now in my.
Speaker 1: Opinion, Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, let's read this.
Speaker 1: This is an Al Jazeera article. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: this was published I think today, oh, March seventeenth, excuse me,
Speaker 1: So it's a couple of days ago. What's happening in Yemen?
Speaker 1: A breakdown of the uthy US violence. The US killed
Speaker 1: at least fifty three people according to reports. Hoo this
Speaker 1: have responded with attacks on US warships, unsuccessful attacks. I
Speaker 1: might add, a new crisis is brewing near one of
Speaker 1: the world's most crucial shipping lanes, as the Yemen's Houthis
Speaker 1: and the United States square off. I okay, ol Jazero.
Speaker 1: Squaring off might be a bit of a reach. That
Speaker 1: would imply that both sides stand some sort of a
Speaker 1: chance here, I don't, okay, of course Al Jazeera would
Speaker 1: be a little biased, but I digress. The US injured
Speaker 1: and killed more than one hundred people in strikes and
Speaker 1: Yemen on Saturday night, according to the Yemeny media and sources.
Speaker 1: The Who's these claimed a response on a US warship
Speaker 1: on Sunday evening, and the US bombed Yemen again after that?
Speaker 1: What led to this tit for tat? Okay again, it's
Speaker 1: not exactly a tit for tat, but all right, who
Speaker 1: started and what's the purpose? Here's what we know what
Speaker 1: happened in Yemen. The US has bombed Yemen for two
Speaker 1: nights in a row, now, claiming to be targeting Hoothi leaders.
Speaker 1: The results on the ground has been the death of
Speaker 1: fifty three people so far, including children. Nearly one hundred
Speaker 1: other people have been injured in the attacks. Where were
Speaker 1: the attacks? US attacks have hit Sanah Sanah, I don't
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce that word. Saa, the capital city
Speaker 1: controlled by the Houthi and it surrounds as well as
Speaker 1: the northern government of Sadah and the port of Ho
Speaker 1: de Hodida Ho Daida. Yeah. Sure, the US bombs Yemen
Speaker 1: or for a second night. US warplanes have launched more
Speaker 1: than forty seven air raids on multiple towns in Yemen
Speaker 1: on the second night of strikes, targeting at least seven provinces,
Speaker 1: as the death toll rises to fifty three. Okay, so
Speaker 1: they're making very strategic strikes here. Who's being targeted? The
Speaker 1: US officials say they are targeting hoo the leaders. The Houthis, however,
Speaker 1: said children were among those killed and circulated photos of
Speaker 1: the alleged victims. Okay, of course they're going to play
Speaker 1: the cards of the camp. Trump strikes were very clearly
Speaker 1: going after hoothy leadership and didn't seem to care if
Speaker 1: any civilians got in the way. Nick Brumfield and Independent
Speaker 1: Yemen Analysis told Al Jazeera the strikes in Sanaa targeted
Speaker 1: a residential neighborhood known to house a lot of Hoothy leaders. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean that would kind of make sense. Now, what
Speaker 1: does the US want? The US says it will bomb
Speaker 1: Yemen until the hooth stop, with President Donald Trump claiming
Speaker 1: that the Houthis had quote targeted our troops and allies.
Speaker 1: Trump and his Defense Secretary PTE HeiG seth have also
Speaker 1: claimed that the that Iran is behind the Hoothys' actions
Speaker 1: and that it was now quote unquote on notice. US
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Mark Or Rubio announced he had coordinated
Speaker 1: the attacks on Yemen with his Russian counterpart, Sergey Livrov. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got a little joint joint commission here with the
Speaker 1: United States and Russia. We can all agree that we
Speaker 1: want shipping in this area, and we don't like the
Speaker 1: Houthis getting in the way of that. Okay, I like this.
Speaker 1: How did the Hoothies hit back? The Houthis claimed two
Speaker 1: attacks on the US aircraft carrier, the USS Harry S. Truman,
Speaker 1: and its warships. The US officials, speaking anonymously to media outlets,
Speaker 1: denied that any attack took place. The Houthis denounced the
Speaker 1: US and the United Kingdom, which did not partake in
Speaker 1: the actual bombing but helped with refueling. According to BBC,
Speaker 1: HOOTHI spokeperson pledged retaliation for the US attacks. Once again.
Speaker 1: Trump's just sitting here watching the bombings go down on
Speaker 1: the big screen. I mean that that kind of does
Speaker 1: something to me. I like that. Why is Iran catching heat?
Speaker 1: US officials claim Iran is heavily backing the Hoot the
Speaker 1: activities in the Red Sea. Some claim the group is
Speaker 1: an Iranian proxy. I don't think that's a claim. I
Speaker 1: think that's a pretty much understood fact. But neither here
Speaker 1: nor there, though many analysis have written reports for think
Speaker 1: tanks such as Brookings and the Council of Foreign Relations
Speaker 1: CFR on how they should be seen more as a
Speaker 1: willing partner. Iran's foreign minister abbass A rag Chi yup I,
Speaker 1: RAN's foreign minister A Boss, told the US government that
Speaker 1: he has no authority or business dictating Iranian foreign policy.
Speaker 1: In support for Israeli genocide and terrorism, he posted on
Speaker 1: X stop killing, stop killing of Yemeni Yemeny people. Okay,
Speaker 1: so What's guard did this? Here? We go here, this
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about here. On March second, Israel
Speaker 1: blocked all AID from entering Gaza, renewing the starvation of
Speaker 1: an enclave in desperate need of food and medicine. Five
Speaker 1: days later, Huthi chief Abeb bell ab del Malik al Huthi,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and apologize now for these names.
Speaker 1: I speak American English and I'm gonna butcher them. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Set A four day deadline. If Israel did not reopen
Speaker 1: the crossings and allow aid in, the Houthis would resume
Speaker 1: attacking Israeli link ships passing through the Bob Almandeb Straight
Speaker 1: on their way to the Suez Canal. On March eleventh,
Speaker 1: spokesperson Yaha Sarri e Sorry Sayr, a spokesperson named Yaha,
Speaker 1: announced the resumption of the Houthis Red Sea operations against
Speaker 1: Israeli ships in the Red Sea and the Arabian Sea
Speaker 1: as well as Bob Almandeb Straight. Sure. The Houthis have
Speaker 1: been attacking ships connected to Israel since November of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three to pressure Israel to end its war on Gaza.
Speaker 1: The attack stopped when the ceasefire was declared in Gaza
Speaker 1: on January nineteenth, and the Hoothies complied. Quote. They did
Speaker 1: shoot at an F sixteen a few weeks back after
Speaker 1: the FTO that was a designation had downed a m
Speaker 1: Q nine, saying it was in Hodda Hodada airspace. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. But in terms of shipping, they've abided by
Speaker 1: what they say they were going to do, Brumfield said.
Speaker 1: On March fourth, the Trump administration reapplied for the quote
Speaker 1: unquote foreign terrorist organization designation to the Hoothies about four
Speaker 1: years after his predecessor, Joe Biden removed. It interesting that
Speaker 1: Joe Biden would not want the Hoothi rebels to be
Speaker 1: seen as a terrorist group. But neither here nor there.
Speaker 1: We can't keep blaming the former administration, y'all. We got
Speaker 1: to move forward to the future. So and anybody who
Speaker 1: doesn't know, there's a picture right here showing basically which
Speaker 1: areas of Yemen are controlled by what group. They have
Speaker 1: been in the middle of a civil war for hot
Speaker 1: little minute now, and that's not new. The hooth these
Speaker 1: have absolutely gotten a little more, a little more leg
Speaker 1: room here in the more, you know, in the recent years,
Speaker 1: and it's about time to put an end to that.
Speaker 1: So what effect have the hooth the attacks had to date?
Speaker 1: The Red Sea receives almost fifteen percent of global sea trade.
Speaker 1: The hoot the attacks have forced much of that trade
Speaker 1: to take much longer, more expensive routes around the southern
Speaker 1: coast of Africa, raising insurance costs and affecting inflation rates globally.
Speaker 1: The hoo these attacks have reportedly killed eight people and
Speaker 1: wounded others. Most of their attacks have not resulted in casualties. Okay,
Speaker 1: they just said they've killed people and then followed that
Speaker 1: same sentence or I'm sorry second sentence. Most of their
Speaker 1: attacks haven't resulted in casualties. But it's still sea pirate
Speaker 1: type of things. There's all kinds of videos in them
Speaker 1: boarding vessels and taking prisoners. But okay, will the Hoothies
Speaker 1: be deterred by US attacks? The spokesperson are to believe
Speaker 1: probably not, which makes sense. That's kind of how extremist
Speaker 1: insurgency works. They don't really back down. The Houthi Supreme
Speaker 1: Political Councils said they would not be deterred, but would
Speaker 1: escalate the situation to a more severe and dire level.
Speaker 1: Targeting civilians demonstrates America's inability to confront the situation. The
Speaker 1: statement added. I would actually argue it does, in fact
Speaker 1: show America's willingness to handle the situation. But I know
Speaker 1: I'm a bit biased. In the past, the hooth these
Speaker 1: Red Sea attacks and the subsequent US attacks on Yemen
Speaker 1: only helped the group's ability to recruit fighters. Again, that
Speaker 1: does tend to happen with insurgency groups. You know, you
Speaker 1: kill one guy, now all of his cousins and uncles
Speaker 1: are willing to join the cause to you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of how that works, to kind of like
Speaker 1: get vengeance and all that. While these attacks may be
Speaker 1: bigger than what the Houthi's previously experienced, there is little
Speaker 1: sign they are willing to give in. Nazra din Amerr,
Speaker 1: a Hoothy spokesperson, wrote on x our position is clear
Speaker 1: and our demands is simple, lifting the siege on Gaza
Speaker 1: and saving the people of Gaza from starvation. Okay, So
Speaker 1: they're saying that if Israel doesn't release the the blockade
Speaker 1: of resources, then they're going to continue the violence, and
Speaker 1: that's really not working out well for them right now. Meanwhile, Iran,
Speaker 1: as they were asking them for help, Iran's got their
Speaker 1: own issues they're dealing with right now. This is an
Speaker 1: article from last year and we don't have to read
Speaker 1: all of it, but long story short, Iran's got a
Speaker 1: bit of a water crisis going on. Like, they really
Speaker 1: have issues in this regard and it is not getting
Speaker 1: any better. More than eight hundred towns of villages, including
Speaker 1: the capital of Tehran and the major city of Esfahan,
Speaker 1: are at risk from land subsidence Iranian authorities say the
Speaker 1: ground beneath Tehran sinks up to twenty two centimeters every year,
Speaker 1: which is seven times higher than what would be normally expected.
Speaker 1: The reason, experts say is the country's acute water shortage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it goes into the details as to the water shortage
Speaker 1: and the house and the whys on this. But long
Speaker 1: story short, Iran's got their own resources problems that they
Speaker 1: really need to focus on before they start trying to
Speaker 1: help out people on other fronts. But if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: didn't they just launch some some missiles into Israel not
Speaker 1: too terribly long ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, I just looked this up earlier. They launched their
Speaker 2: Fatah missile to Israel back in November and it did
Speaker 2: hit something in the military target. I also wanted to
Speaker 2: say thanks a lot for reading that Al Jazeera article.
Speaker 2: I know it's coming from the other side, but you
Speaker 2: do a good job trying to be balanced. But I
Speaker 2: wanted to add some things that I think it left out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it seems like it was written on March seventeenth. That
Speaker 2: would have been Monday, and to give a timeline of
Speaker 2: you know, I think what really provoked the attack on
Speaker 2: the carriers on March fifteenth. That was this past Saturday.
Speaker 2: There were air strikes from the US in Yemen. And
Speaker 2: I'm just going off of Wikipedia right now. These air
Speaker 2: strikes killed about fifty three people and wounded ninety eight
Speaker 2: others in Tayez kaza Ibb, a whole bunch of other
Speaker 2: places I'm not too familiar with.
Speaker 1: I'm the only one that can pronounce that shit. That
Speaker 1: makes me feel better anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the attacks on the USS Harry Truman started
Speaker 2: March sixteenth on Sunday the next day, and they continued
Speaker 2: March seventeenth and March eighteenth, and I think none of
Speaker 2: them hit. I guess they don't have the good missiles
Speaker 2: like Iran may have, and Iran doesn't want to step
Speaker 2: up here. My only other comment is on the general
Speaker 2: political alignment over there, the civil war in Yemen. They've
Speaker 2: had civil wars going back almost a century, but the
Speaker 2: most recent one started in twenty fifteen. I forget the
Speaker 2: guy's name, but Saudi Arabia backed one guy and he
Speaker 2: was Sunni and the other big group the other half
Speaker 2: of the country is called Zaidi Shia. They're like the
Speaker 2: Shia in Iran, but the Shia in Iran believe in
Speaker 2: twelve grandy moms, and the guys in Yemen only believe
Speaker 2: in seven. And the Zaida Shia basically they're the Houthis,
Speaker 2: and they basically won that war at tremendous costs because
Speaker 2: there was basically starvation in Yemen in twenty fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen or so, and the Saudis couldn't dislodge them
Speaker 2: from power, so they eventually called it off. That's my understanding,
Speaker 2: and the Houthis are left with the majority of the
Speaker 2: power in Yemen right now, that.
Speaker 1: Sounds about like what I've heard too, So okay, fair enough,
Speaker 1: although I still like, of all the things you're going
Speaker 1: to try to do, you're gonna attempt to slap box
Speaker 1: an American aircraft carrier and its entire fleet, Like I
Speaker 1: don't I not even just saying because it's America, no,
Speaker 1: but like, realistically the most powerful navy on Earth. I
Speaker 1: didn't say the largest, because yes, China started making it
Speaker 1: where every vessel that's quote unquote seaworthy is now a
Speaker 1: naval asset. But whatever you want to call it, the
Speaker 1: undisputed most powerful navy on Earth, that's who you're gonna
Speaker 1: come after. Like, I get if you're trying to hit Israel,
Speaker 1: or you're trying to hit some some vessels that have
Speaker 1: it like flying an Israeli flag, or even like an
Speaker 1: American cargo ship. Like, Okay, your chances that the odds
Speaker 1: are in your favor here, big dog.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Well, I feel like right after the attacks
Speaker 2: on March fifteenth, the Hoothy government must have felt like
Speaker 2: they needed to respond somehow or they'd lose all credibility,
Speaker 2: even at the risk of escalating the war into a
Speaker 2: lot more casualties and civilian casualties. Luckily, it looks like
Speaker 2: there haven't been quite as many as that one day
Speaker 2: on March fifteenth, But guys has got a lot of
Speaker 2: casualties right now. I forget which day it was, but
Speaker 2: within the last three days, I've heard somewhere between two
Speaker 2: hundred and four hundred people have died in air strikes.
Speaker 2: And yeah, much of the Arab world is really pissed
Speaker 2: off about that, even though there's probably nothing guys that
Speaker 2: can do to win. There's nothing the rest of the
Speaker 2: Arab the world can do right now. I don't know
Speaker 2: what to do. It is just horrible.
Speaker 1: It's a messy situation. I get that, and I know
Speaker 1: it's people look at it and they get way too
Speaker 1: invested into it based off of whoever they politically align
Speaker 1: with or whatever philosophical side they find to be more
Speaker 1: you know, in line with their own. Yes, it goes
Speaker 1: back to the the was it November attacks? When did
Speaker 1: the when did Hamas attack and take the prisoners?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember the October seventh, twenty twenty three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that was a little over a year ago.
Speaker 1: Right, And I know it goes back to that, And yes,
Speaker 1: I know it goes back to Moussad allowing it to
Speaker 1: take place, and I know it goes back to who
Speaker 1: propped up Amas in the first place, and then it
Speaker 1: goes this, And yes, I get it. The situation has
Speaker 1: gotten just exponentially more difficult the deeper and deeper it got.
Speaker 1: This is a full on insurgency and you can't just
Speaker 1: end that so peacefully and with papers being signed. That's
Speaker 1: that's never gonna work in this regard the Hoothies, and
Speaker 1: like you said, the rest of the Arab world, not
Speaker 1: just the Hoothies, The rest of the Arab world is
Speaker 1: pissed off. I mean, yes, granted, oh they're pissed off
Speaker 1: Israel shocker. Nothing new there, I get it, but it
Speaker 1: is to a level where it's not I don't even
Speaker 1: see how there's going to be an end in sight
Speaker 1: unless an outside source, and it doesn't have to be America.
Speaker 1: I hope it's not. As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's gonna have to be some outside force
Speaker 1: come in and like act as referee and say, you know,
Speaker 1: blow the whistle and say, like the fight's over, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, ring the if you will, and
Speaker 1: call it off. I don't know. I don't see this
Speaker 1: ending any other way at this time anyway, Royce, I
Speaker 1: think or no Zombie. I'm sorry you had your hand up.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 9: I was just looking at the article I and pretty
Speaker 9: much it covered everything you guys talked about. But it
Speaker 9: did confirm that like fifty three where he died and
Speaker 9: a hundred were injured, and among them were children. So
Speaker 9: I was just looking at the article.
Speaker 1: Right, and I mean it hit a residential area where
Speaker 1: a bunch of HOOTHI leaders live, So yeah, that would
Speaker 1: kind of I'm not four children dying, especially those that
Speaker 1: had no dog in the fight whatsoever. Children typically don't,
Speaker 1: But you can only get so exact with air strikes.
Speaker 1: And when you have insurgents that will hide amongst women
Speaker 1: and children, when a bomb goes off and it kills
Speaker 1: the women and children surrounding them, then everybody's gonna go
Speaker 1: on and say, well, look at all the innocence that died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but how many bad guys did we get? Though? Like
Speaker 1: that was the that was the point of the strike.
Speaker 1: The point wasn't to hurt the innocence. Y'all hit amongst
Speaker 1: the innocence as a way to try to shield yourselves,
Speaker 1: and then you yeah s, dirty tactics. Dirty tactics. Terrorists
Speaker 1: have an issue with doing that, honestly, of all types
Speaker 1: of terrorism, to be honest with you. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: had this other video we could watch, but there's no
Speaker 1: real need to it. We're kind of covering all the
Speaker 1: basics on the hoothy situation at this time.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 1: Although before we move on to the next topic, if
Speaker 1: anybody has anything else they would like to add into
Speaker 1: the who the Israel Gaza conversation? Please now is the time? Excellent? Okay,
Speaker 1: So moving on now that we've kind of gone into
Speaker 1: a depressing vibe on this one, this one is kind
Speaker 1: of depressing if you like, are one of the super
Speaker 1: environmentalist types. Not throwing shade, I'm just saying and to
Speaker 1: people who aren't necessarily this is moronic and hilarious at
Speaker 1: the same time. This is a BBC article the Amazon
Speaker 1: forest felled to build road for climate summit. Like out loud,
Speaker 1: everybody understands how we're tarded. That sounds right, like I'm
Speaker 1: not alone reading that and just hearing the irity go
Speaker 1: off here. So, a new four lane highway cutting through
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is
Speaker 1: being built for the COP thirty Climate Summit in the
Speaker 1: Brazilian city of Biline. It aims to ease traffic to
Speaker 1: the city, which will host more than fifty thousand people,
Speaker 1: including world leaders, at the conference in November. Because you know,
Speaker 1: the last time Brazil hosted a big event where people
Speaker 1: from all over the world came, i e. The World Cup,
Speaker 1: everything went so swimmingly right. If anybody has not seen
Speaker 1: what happened to those stadiums or what happened to the
Speaker 1: country's economy after they blew all that money on this,
Speaker 1: I highly highly recommend he go check it out. But anyway,
Speaker 1: the state government tal it's the highways quote unquote sustainable credentials.
Speaker 1: But some locals and conservationists are outraged at the environmental impact.
Speaker 1: The Amazon plays a vital role in absorbing carbon for
Speaker 1: the world and providing biodiversity, and many say that this
Speaker 1: deforestation contradicts the very purpose of the Climate Summit. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't say, you don't fucking say, bra and I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, they say that the Amazon is like the
Speaker 1: Earth's lungs, right, it takes in all the carbon dioxide
Speaker 1: and it exhales the oxygen for all of us to breathe,
Speaker 1: and we now through whatever scientific lab studdy you want
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, it's actually the Amazon is not the
Speaker 1: biggest producer of oxygen for the Earth. It's actually algae.
Speaker 1: Didn't know that up until recently. Algae from the sea
Speaker 1: actually does more for the oxygen content on Earth than
Speaker 1: the Amazon. But as far as the above ground above
Speaker 1: land situation, yeah, the Amazon's critical for this. Along the
Speaker 1: partially built road, lush rainforest towers on either side or
Speaker 1: of what was once there. Logs are piled high in
Speaker 1: the cleared land, which stretches more than thirteen kilometers or
Speaker 1: eight miles through the rainforest into beline. Diggers and machines
Speaker 1: carved through the forest floor, paving out wetland to surface
Speaker 1: the road, which will cut through a protected area. So
Speaker 1: not only are the cutting through the rainforest, but they're
Speaker 1: also going over like endangered wetlands and stuff. And they're
Speaker 1: just building a four lane highway straight through it all,
Speaker 1: which is gonna be great for all the wildlife, all
Speaker 1: the flora and the fauna of the rainforests. This again,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, absolutely just genius things going on here. Claudio
Speaker 1: Veriquette lives about two hundred meters two hundred meters from
Speaker 1: where the road will be. He used to make an
Speaker 1: income from harvesting a kai berry or isie berries from
Speaker 1: the trees that once occupied the space. He says everything
Speaker 1: was destroyed, gesturing at the clearing. Our harvest has already
Speaker 1: been cut down. We no longer had that income to
Speaker 1: support our family. He says. He has received no compensation
Speaker 1: from the state government and is currently relying on savings. Yo.
Speaker 1: So not only did they take this man's livelihood, but
Speaker 1: they gave him absolutely nothing to help him along in
Speaker 1: his struggles on this one and just basically tell him
Speaker 1: to deal with it like whatever. You can't stop progress,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm slaying or whatever he says he
Speaker 1: has received. I said that he worries the construction of
Speaker 1: this road will lead to more deforestation in the future
Speaker 1: now that the area is more accessible for businesses. You know,
Speaker 1: I have to agree with him on that. Our fear
Speaker 1: is a quote here. Our fear is that one day
Speaker 1: someone will come here and say, here's some money. We
Speaker 1: need this area to build a gas station or build
Speaker 1: a warehouse, and then we'll have to leave. We were
Speaker 1: born and raised here in the community. Where are we
Speaker 1: going to go? So look, that's your guy right here.
Speaker 1: He's just been doing berry farming to support his family.
Speaker 1: Now that's just gone. His community won't be connected to
Speaker 1: the road given its walls on either side. And that's
Speaker 1: another thing. So they're not just building this road, they're
Speaker 1: building walls on either side of it. So like they're
Speaker 1: absolutely just blocking this guy in his community in just
Speaker 1: because because this Climate Summit is so important that we
Speaker 1: need to destroy a whole section of the rainforest about it.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, go ahead, Raven, I know for a
Speaker 1: fact you have something away in on this one.
Speaker 13: Oh.
Speaker 9: I've been actually following it since it started, because it
Speaker 9: started last June is when they finally started pushing this
Speaker 9: project through. And so far they've like there's like eight
Speaker 9: hundred species that they've already impacted between like every kind
Speaker 9: of conceivable and like the thing is is that what
Speaker 9: they're doing is is they actually want to make this
Speaker 9: a tourist thing. So it's not only that it's the
Speaker 9: highway that's being built, but they're also building hotels, they're
Speaker 9: revamping the entire airport, and they're doing some stuff to
Speaker 9: be able to get cruise ships in and so like
Speaker 9: they're it's a whole it's a whole thing that's happening,
Speaker 9: and it's not just impacting just the rainforest, it's impacting
Speaker 9: everything else. But their whole model it is is like, well,
Speaker 9: it's bringing diversity in people here to help profit the locals,
Speaker 9: and it's going to bring a lot of like you know,
Speaker 9: good change and blah blah blah. And the meanwhile they're, oh,
Speaker 9: they're to accommodate the locals being upset, They're they're putting
Speaker 9: in animal crossings every so much every so many miles
Speaker 9: so that the animals somehow magically know right like they
Speaker 9: need to cross the road at that specific place. So yeah,
Speaker 9: that's that's this whole thing that's going down. They fought
Speaker 9: this for like over a decade, but I don't I
Speaker 9: can never see the name of the place where the
Speaker 9: other one was. But it's like at Baku is the location,
Speaker 9: but the I forget the country. But they had an
Speaker 9: oil and gas thing, and the last time one of
Speaker 9: the big summits was held there, they pretty much like
Speaker 9: devastated the entire area. Came and had their summit, and
Speaker 9: then they left and it like destroyed a whole bunch
Speaker 9: of land around on it. And they're like, uh, it'd
Speaker 9: be fine.
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe this the whole all right. The wildlife
Speaker 1: crossings that are built in over these roads and stuff. Look,
Speaker 1: I've seen the diagrams of how they're supposed to work,
Speaker 1: and to a human mind, that sounds genius, right, It
Speaker 1: sounds like something that clearly will work, except for the
Speaker 1: fact that animals are gonna do what animals are gonna do,
Speaker 1: and you can't train wildlife to go over certain areas,
Speaker 1: so all that's gonna do is rec shop even worse.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, they're building walls on either side
Speaker 1: of this highway, so perhaps that will keep certain animals out,
Speaker 1: but that's more of the larger animals. The Amazon has
Speaker 1: so many, the rainforest has so many types of animals.
Speaker 1: There's no way that these walls are gonna keep them
Speaker 1: all out. So now we're just gonna have this highway
Speaker 1: through the rainforest with dead animals all up and down It.
Speaker 1: Probably a lot of endangered species, let's be honest. And
Speaker 1: if they're not now, they will be soon. Time will tell.
Speaker 1: And all of that because a bunch of people from
Speaker 1: around the world want to choose a destination right to
Speaker 1: have this climate summit. That's the most ridiculous shit ever
Speaker 1: hurt in my life. And then all right, if you're
Speaker 1: doing it for the tourists to eat thing, and I
Speaker 1: could even understand that to a certain regard, but not
Speaker 1: through the rainforest. If you're gonna bring in tourism to
Speaker 1: showcase the rainforest, there's got to be a better way
Speaker 1: than building a four lane highway through it. And I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: the cruise ships that are stopping off in Brazil, they're
Speaker 1: stopping off in Rio. You know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: can't see this playing out positively for the the already
Speaker 1: seriously critically endangered and getting more endangered every day. Flora
Speaker 1: and fauna of the rainforest. But yeah, this is what's
Speaker 1: happening here. Like Raven said, we go on. The quote says,
Speaker 1: for us who live on the side of the highway,
Speaker 1: there will be no benefits. There will be no benefit.
Speaker 1: There will be benefits for true that will pass through.
Speaker 1: If someone gets sick and needs to go to the
Speaker 1: center for believe, we won't be able to use it.
Speaker 1: So basically, they're walling in this guy's community to make
Speaker 1: way for the highway, and they're not even gonna have
Speaker 1: access to the same medical conditions facilities that they've had
Speaker 1: for a good long while. The road leaves two disconnected
Speaker 1: areas of protected forests. Scientists are concerned it will fragment
Speaker 1: the ecosystem and disrupt movement of wildlife. And here we go,
Speaker 1: Raven was on it. Professor Silvia Sardina is a wildlife
Speaker 1: vet and researcher at the University Animal Hospital that overlooks
Speaker 1: the site of the new highway. She and her team
Speaker 1: rehabilitate wild animals with injuries predominantly caused by humans and
Speaker 1: vehicles once they release them back into the wild. Something
Speaker 1: she says will be harder if there's a highway on
Speaker 1: their doorstep. Yeah, I could imagine. So from the moment
Speaker 1: of deforestation, there is a loss. We are going to
Speaker 1: lose an area to release these animals back into the wild,
Speaker 1: the natural environment of these species. She said, land animals
Speaker 1: will no longer be able to cross the other side,
Speaker 1: to reducing areas where they can live and breed. The
Speaker 1: Brazilian President and environmental minister says this will be a
Speaker 1: historic summit because it is a cop in the Amazon
Speaker 1: and not a cop about the Amazon. Again, seems like
Speaker 1: some conflicting ideologies from my layman's perspective here. The president
Speaker 1: says the meeting will provide an opportunity to focus on
Speaker 1: the needs of the Amazon, show the forest to the world,
Speaker 1: and present what the federal government has done to protect
Speaker 1: it as they tore it down to build a highway.
Speaker 1: That's brilliant, brilliant. But Professor Sardina says that while these
Speaker 1: conversations will happen quote at a very high level among
Speaker 1: business people and government officials, those living in the Amazon
Speaker 1: are not being heard like look at this, this is
Speaker 1: like it's not like this is like just on this
Speaker 1: little outskirts section here. They have a map pulled up here.
Speaker 1: If anybody wants to see it again, come to the
Speaker 1: Cajuni on Patreon linked in the description below. They're cutting
Speaker 1: it right down the middle of it. This is ridiculous, Raven,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 9: See you have to remember that Big Pharma's representatives are
Speaker 9: a part of the cop And what's interesting about the
Speaker 9: Amazon is there's multiple tribes within the Amazon that have
Speaker 9: properties plants that they've used for you know, a generations
Speaker 9: there that allow them to pretty much strive off any
Speaker 9: type of cancer and through if they're able to get
Speaker 9: like their foothold there, they already can buy up the
Speaker 9: plants and put patents on them and take them from
Speaker 9: these people anyways without any compensation and like take over
Speaker 9: their entire village. But it'd be easier if they had
Speaker 9: more of a foothold there. So this whole thing about
Speaker 9: like business people coming, I'm sure there are. I'm sure
Speaker 9: there is something else there that they're looking at as well,
Speaker 9: because there's lots of stuff that's been untapped that's in
Speaker 9: the Amazon. So just a weird conspiracy about it.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't believe that's an unfounded thought honestly.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, big Pharma is absolutely a mixture in here,
Speaker 1: but I mean so is a logging conglomerates that have
Speaker 1: been tearing down the rainforest strictly for the lumber. The
Speaker 1: farming conglomerates that what was that thing that they were
Speaker 1: doing a couple of years back, and I think they're
Speaker 1: probably still doing it. The cows, Well, they were cutting
Speaker 1: down sections of the rainforest in order to use the
Speaker 1: land for agriculture, right, But then they didn't realize because
Speaker 1: apparently no one there knows how to take a fucking
Speaker 1: soil sample, and they found out way too late that hey,
Speaker 1: the Amazon rainforest is really not good soil for agriculture.
Speaker 1: The only thing that grows well there is the jungle.
Speaker 1: And so Brazil had to go through and pay for
Speaker 1: the process of clearing and stripping the land. Then they
Speaker 1: had to pay to have the dirt dug up and removed.
Speaker 1: Then they had to pay to have good fertile top
Speaker 1: soil brought in. But because of monocropping, it's like every
Speaker 1: year or two they have to do the same process
Speaker 1: of removing the good soil that's no longer good and
Speaker 1: doing it again. So it's it has been a complete
Speaker 1: NonStop loss after loss after loss. Every time they try
Speaker 1: to do anything with the Amazon, it backfires for everyone involved,
Speaker 1: but they're still just getting after it. I don't understand
Speaker 1: it personally, but yeah, so that's Brazil for you. The
Speaker 1: state government of parah Peae, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: little apostrophe going that direction on a max I don't
Speaker 1: speak Portuguese, had tilted the idea of this highway, known
Speaker 1: as Avanda Liberdad. Yeah, as early as twenty twelve, but
Speaker 1: it had repeatedly been shelved because of environmental concerns. Now
Speaker 1: a host of it for structure projects have been resurrected
Speaker 1: or approved to prepare the city for the COP summit.
Speaker 1: Older Sylvieira Sure, the state government's infrastructure secretary, listed this
Speaker 1: highway as one of thirty projects happening in the city
Speaker 1: to prepare and modernize it so we can have a
Speaker 1: legacy for the population and more importantly serve people for
Speaker 1: the COP thirty in the best possible way. That more
Speaker 1: of one of thirty projects happening now that just instills
Speaker 1: inspiration in me here. Speaking to the BBC, he said
Speaker 1: it was a quote unquote sustainable highway and an important
Speaker 1: mobility intervention. I think that there might be a language
Speaker 1: issue here, honestly, and I'm not trying to be rude.
Speaker 1: I think that their definition of sustainable and our definition
Speaker 1: of sustainable must be very very different. There must be
Speaker 1: a weird English to Portuguese translation error here. I'm not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent but that they think sustainable, we think detrimental.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're yeah, I don't know, we're very
Speaker 1: far off here in definitions, obviously, he added, like Raven
Speaker 1: was saying earlier. He added that it would have wildlife
Speaker 1: crossings for animals to pass over bike lanes, and solar lighting,
Speaker 1: solar lighting in the Amazon. Okay. Sure. New hotels are
Speaker 1: also being built, and the port is being redeveloped so
Speaker 1: cruise ships can dock there to accommodate excess visitors. Raven,
Speaker 1: once again, you are on the money. Brazil's federal government
Speaker 1: is investing more than eighty one million dollars US and
Speaker 1: I don't is that a euro. I think it's a
Speaker 1: euro sixty two million euro to expand the airport capacity
Speaker 1: from seven to fourteen million passengers, a new five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand square meter city park. Not gonna try to pronounce
Speaker 1: that is under construction. It will include green spaces, restaurants,
Speaker 1: a sports complex, and other facilities for the public to
Speaker 1: use afterwards. Because you know what, the Isie Berry farmer
Speaker 1: that we got a quote from earlier, You know what,
Speaker 1: he really wanted green spaces and a sports complex. That's
Speaker 1: what he thought his community was lacking in his section
Speaker 1: of the rainforest. That's brilliant, oh man. Some business owners
Speaker 1: in the city's vast open air vero passo, vera peso
Speaker 1: mark excuse me, agreed that this development will bring opportunities
Speaker 1: for the city. The city as a whole is being
Speaker 1: improved and it is being repaired, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people are visiting from other places. It means I can
Speaker 1: sell more and earn more, says Dalcy Cardoza Da Silva.
Speaker 1: Jesus who runs a leather shoe stall, Well yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna make money. He's gonna make my orithulis he thinks.
Speaker 1: So like, I'm sorry, people are not gonna be coming
Speaker 1: to this summit to buy your shoes, bro, They're getting
Speaker 1: their shoes shipped to them from like La, from like
Speaker 1: Rodeo drive. All of the rich, swanky people that's coming
Speaker 1: to this event. Are not gonna buy leather shoes from
Speaker 1: a local shop. They're probably coming with their shoes and
Speaker 1: their luggage. I could be wrong, but sure, sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: in some way, I guess he's hopeful. He says this
Speaker 1: is necessary because when he was young, Balen was beautiful,
Speaker 1: well kept, well cared for, but it has since been
Speaker 1: abandoned and neglected with little interest from the ruling class.
Speaker 1: So this beautiful, well kept, and well cared for Amazonian
Speaker 1: city really needed a modernization facelift because the ruling class
Speaker 1: all of a sudden cares for the inhabitants. Yeah that okay,
Speaker 1: out loud. I couldn't even okay, while Ohio, oh wait,
Speaker 1: this is Portuguese, so that jay is actually like an
Speaker 1: r noise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the equivalent to Juan.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. I was like, I'm like, that's got
Speaker 1: to be like a wand right. I see the India,
Speaker 1: but it's over at a Portuguese and Spanish. You would
Speaker 1: think there'd be a little more of like a left
Speaker 1: to right crossover here. They are so vastly different but
Speaker 1: also so similar in so many ways. But anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: Trinidad da Silva, how about that da Silva, who sells
Speaker 1: Amazonian herbal medicines in the market, acknowledges that all construction
Speaker 1: work can cause problems, but he felt the future impact
Speaker 1: would be worth it. Hmm. Now that's kind of to
Speaker 1: Raven's point earlier. Somebody who actually sells Amazonian herbal medicines
Speaker 1: in the local market. He's not happy about it, but
Speaker 1: he's also seeing potential dalla dolla bills out of it,
Speaker 1: so he's kind of leaning more towards it. Okay, we
Speaker 1: hope the discussions aren't just on paper and become real
Speaker 1: actions and the measures, the decisions taken really are put
Speaker 1: into practice so that the planet can breathe a little better,
Speaker 1: so that the population will uh, the population in the
Speaker 1: future will have a little cleaner air. All right, again
Speaker 1: out loud, you're hoping that the future population will breathe
Speaker 1: a little better as they are tearing down the rainforest
Speaker 1: and building through the wetlands. It seems very counterproductive to me. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert in environmental sustainability. I know some
Speaker 1: people that are, and this just sounds really stupid. This
Speaker 1: is about like when Bill Gates cut down all those
Speaker 1: trees in Oregon just to bury them to help global
Speaker 1: warming somehow, and there was never any actual scientific justification
Speaker 1: to show why he was doing this or what his
Speaker 1: plan was. Just cut down miles of trees, don't burn them,
Speaker 1: don't turn them into molts, don't turn them into lumber.
Speaker 1: Did we then need to get diesel engines to dig
Speaker 1: out holes and bury these trees in the ground because
Speaker 1: the world, the mother Earth needs it? And that's a
Speaker 1: thing that they did. Side you know here it is
Speaker 1: scrutiny is growing over whether flying thousands of them across
Speaker 1: the world and the infrastructure required to host them is
Speaker 1: undermining the cause. Yeah, I would think so, I would
Speaker 1: think so. So Okay, moving on from the Amazon Wait,
Speaker 1: I just clicked out of this, I thought, did I
Speaker 1: exit out of something else?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 1: Oh oh, Well, before we get on to the next
Speaker 1: topic here, does anybody have anything else they would like
Speaker 1: to talk about as far as the Amazonian sustainability situation? Okay, excellent, excellent,
Speaker 1: Moving on now, and Tony, I wanted to get your in,
Speaker 1: in particular your opinion on some of the things going
Speaker 1: on with Russia and Zelenski and Trump and all of
Speaker 1: all of the stuff that's going on here recently, because
Speaker 1: We have heard multiple times Putin and the Russian government
Speaker 1: say they don't want any NATO country backing Ukraine. That's
Speaker 1: that's their big thing. They want less NATO intervention. That's
Speaker 1: that's been their thing. Cool. Australia is not a NATO member.
Speaker 1: And then Australia offered to help and intermediate some of
Speaker 1: these are excuse me, intermediate mediate some of these ceasefire
Speaker 1: agreements because Russia didn't want a NATO country to be
Speaker 1: the mediator because it would send a little more of
Speaker 1: a sway in the opposite of Russia direction. And of
Speaker 1: course NATO members don't want Russia to be the mediator
Speaker 1: of these conversations. Everybody's not wanting to be on the
Speaker 1: underside of the deal. Australia offered their services and Russia
Speaker 1: basically told them that if they were to continue these
Speaker 1: types of conversations there would be grave consequences. What did
Speaker 1: Australia to piss off Putin?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no idea, and I see this from
Speaker 2: the tenth but Russia must still be suspicious of Australia
Speaker 2: because they're part of the Five Eyes network with England
Speaker 2: in the UK. I'm just speculating here, but Russia just
Speaker 2: obviously does not trust Australia to be neutral enough or
Speaker 2: pro Russian enough. That's what it looks like to me.
Speaker 1: This makes sense. They are part of the British Commonwealth,
Speaker 1: So okay, I.
Speaker 2: Think Russia, Russia would trust China, Russia would trust probably
Speaker 2: a handful of other countries. But they just don't think.
Speaker 2: But no, I don't think Australia is good enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt. Here's the in short of it.
Speaker 1: We don't have to read the whole article. Russia told
Speaker 1: the Australia there will be grave consequences if it puts
Speaker 1: boots on the ground in Ukraine as part of a
Speaker 1: Western peacekeeping operation proposed by the UK Prime Minister. Prime
Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanese has left open the possibility of an
Speaker 1: Australian troops joining a coalition of the willing in the
Speaker 1: war torn country to enforce any peace deal broker between
Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine. Opposition leader Peter Dutton has rejected the idea.
Speaker 1: Now that's another thing I didn't understand. I thought that
Speaker 1: we were like on the cusp of a ceasefire agreement
Speaker 1: being made. Zelensky was playing hardball. So America had to
Speaker 1: turn off the faucet of resources and intel. Zelensky went
Speaker 1: to Europe and tried to beat the streets to get
Speaker 1: some more support over there, and then realize like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's getting more thoughts in prayers than he's getting actual
Speaker 1: support and hardware, and so he's like, okay, hey America,
Speaker 1: I'll play ball your way. We're here. So America turned
Speaker 1: back on the faucet. Cool cool, Cool With that, Ukraine
Speaker 1: started striking Moscow. I heard something like fifty different drone
Speaker 1: attacks that happened in Moscow and like a one night ordeal.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I read that too. It was in response to Russian
Speaker 2: advances and Cursk, Russia's pretty much got cursed back. Suju
Speaker 2: was the last big city.
Speaker 1: But that's the other thing I'm hearing more about the
Speaker 1: Cursk situation. Russia and pretty much everybody else on Earth
Speaker 1: is acknowledging that the Ukrainian fighters that are there are
Speaker 1: completely surrounded and cut off right now Ukraine II, z
Speaker 1: Zelensky is saying, no, they're not. It's totally not what's
Speaker 1: happening right now. It's like, bro, hold one, look at
Speaker 1: the map. They are cut off. It's time for you
Speaker 1: to at least acknowledge either A they're gonna get slaughtered
Speaker 1: or be try to make an evacuation for them. No, dude,
Speaker 1: they're fine. They're totally still in it. And it's like brah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, So I saw the drone attacks and
Speaker 1: Moscow's got all these things on fire and these explosions
Speaker 1: and all this shit. Cool, that's how war goes. And
Speaker 1: then Trump and Putin apparently before the phone call had happened,
Speaker 1: it was time for the ball was in Putin's court.
Speaker 1: That's what we heard from all the news sources and
Speaker 1: all the stuff, and Putin kind of seems like he
Speaker 1: was getting ready to go for a ceasefire. He said
Speaker 1: he was then out right through up middle fingers and said, nope,
Speaker 1: we're not stopping until we set get what we set
Speaker 1: out for. And it's like, what did you set out for?
Speaker 1: And I guess Ukraine as a.
Speaker 2: Whole, Oh, Ukraine as a whole now probably just the
Speaker 2: entirety of the disputed regions. So they got all a
Speaker 2: Lukansk now, but Harson, Zaporojia and don Yets they only
Speaker 2: have maybe two thirds of most of those. And I've
Speaker 2: seen news of a lot more Russian strikes on the
Speaker 2: parts that they don't have, including strikes in places like Odessa,
Speaker 2: Mikliev and a few others I don't remember that are
Speaker 2: not not actually disputed. But yeah, Russia, Russia seems to
Speaker 2: have escalated, and I'm disappointed in this whole situation, but
Speaker 2: I think if we give it time, we give it
Speaker 2: another couple of weeks, things might quiet down again. The
Speaker 2: war on the Hole. In my opinion, it's been going
Speaker 2: on slightly over three years now and it is reaching
Speaker 2: its natural end, and so it'll just things take a
Speaker 2: lot longer than I'd like them too, But I think
Speaker 2: that we will have a peace agreement and it will
Speaker 2: be something. There will be a new border close to
Speaker 2: where the current front line is, if not even slightly
Speaker 2: further west of where it currently is. So we just
Speaker 2: have to give it time and eventually it'll happen. It's
Speaker 2: still taken longer than i'd like it too, but I
Speaker 2: think it'll happen in the next two months or so.
Speaker 2: Just to be arbitrary, now, what is this something here?
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you would know anything on
Speaker 1: this or not. I don't have any articles pulled up
Speaker 1: on it. I saw a report earlier, and again it's like,
Speaker 1: you really have to test the source on some of these,
Speaker 1: because I see one article saying that there is thousands
Speaker 1: of fighters from all over the world coming to join
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian Foreign Legion as we speak, like they've just
Speaker 1: got a whole new wave of recruits out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: Like that's just happening. It's like, all right, is it the.
Speaker 2: I've heard of mercenaries going there for the duration of
Speaker 2: this war, They've always been pretty few in number. I'm
Speaker 2: not surprised that there's still some people going there, some
Speaker 2: men going there who just love war and want to
Speaker 2: gain its experience, and this is the place to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to make a hell of
Speaker 2: a lot of difference. Also, I thought about what you
Speaker 2: were telling you were saying last week, arguing about why
Speaker 2: would Russia try to take Kiyev and Butcha early on
Speaker 2: in the war, and how would that How does that
Speaker 2: because right right those are hostile regions, And I thought, well,
Speaker 2: it's a little similar to how the Battle of Gettysburg
Speaker 2: and the Civil War took place way up north in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: And you could argue that see that means the South
Speaker 2: was not the defense. They were more of an aggressor
Speaker 2: in that situation. But you could also say that Russia's
Speaker 2: invasion of Germany in nineteen forty five, Oh, that's not
Speaker 2: self defense. They should have just stopped right where the
Speaker 2: border started, but they just don't go that way. So
Speaker 2: I think you can't extend past the border, and it's
Speaker 2: a little harder to make a self defense argument. But
Speaker 2: these things are all kind of fluid and subjective anyway.
Speaker 1: War kind of goes like that, And I get this
Speaker 1: right one hundred percent, but now, and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to take the side of the Confederacy here, I do
Speaker 1: think that is if you really look at it, I
Speaker 1: understand it was about states' rights, but the main encompassing thing, yes,
Speaker 1: taxation without representation was a part of it. All these things,
Speaker 1: it was more or less slavery being a pretty big
Speaker 1: maybe not the main, but at least a very major
Speaker 1: sticking point for it. The South seceeded peacefully. It was
Speaker 1: only when the North attacked them in the South then
Speaker 1: the South decided to take up arms against them. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't that case for self defense. And I'm I
Speaker 1: don't know, I agree. I could be wrong. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that Ukrainian forces attacked Russian forces to kickstart this.
Speaker 1: I could be.
Speaker 2: Wrong, Okay. My take on it is that Ukrainian forces
Speaker 2: were attacking the dun Yetsk and Lugansk People's republics, which
Speaker 2: were established but not recognized by any other country in
Speaker 2: the world. And they didn't even take up all of
Speaker 2: the current space that you would color in on the
Speaker 2: map as those places. They were kind of pressed into
Speaker 2: the eastern corner of those oblasty And the reason this
Speaker 2: happened was because Kiev thought in twenty twenty two that man,
Speaker 2: we've had enough of this civil war. We should just
Speaker 2: crush him right now. And that was why for about
Speaker 2: two weeks leading up to February twenty fourth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: you just saw a build up on both sides, and
Speaker 2: you saw increasing numbers of bombs dropping on these breakaway republics,
Speaker 2: and Russia knew for sure that, yeah, Kiev's gonna win
Speaker 2: this unless we intervene, and our people are demanding we intervene.
Speaker 2: The public opinion within Russia was very very much against
Speaker 2: Ukraine before the war started, So you know, how do
Speaker 2: you how do you go against that, and Putin did
Speaker 2: go against those opinion polls back in twenty fifteen when
Speaker 2: the question was on the table to annex these breakaway republics,
Speaker 2: he said, no, you know, yeah, yeah, you're right. He
Speaker 2: did take Crimea, but he felt like the other two
Speaker 2: breakaway republics would be kicking the Western hornets nest a
Speaker 2: little too many times. So he went against the judgment
Speaker 2: of maybe sixty percent of his country to you could say,
Speaker 2: appease the West, if I'm gonna use a loaded term.
Speaker 2: And I think he was trying to get along and
Speaker 2: it was not reciprocated throughout the lifetime of the Minsk agreements.
Speaker 2: So I think he was right to do what he
Speaker 2: did in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's point one other thing that I again,
Speaker 1: I had to like test the source. And I do
Speaker 1: not know if this is a actual concern or if
Speaker 1: this was some clickbaity shit or.
Speaker 10: What allegedly Big Big italicized allegedly Russia Ai Putin is
Speaker 10: nervous that China is gonna try to invade and take Siberia.
Speaker 1: I don't know how substantiated those claims are. I do
Speaker 1: know that there is a bit of a border dispute
Speaker 1: in certain areas between China and a number of countries.
Speaker 1: I've heard that there is some border disputes between China
Speaker 1: and Russia along certain border parts, and that it's very
Speaker 1: possible that China may try to muscle their way into
Speaker 1: some less than overly populated areas of Russia. Have you
Speaker 1: heard anything in this regard.
Speaker 2: Not recently. I've only heard rumors of that from decades ago.
Speaker 2: I remember patmu Kin and talking about that decades ago,
Speaker 2: but nothing recently. No, I don't think so. In fact,
Speaker 2: Putin and Shijin Ping have had several meetings over the
Speaker 2: last few years where there's all kinds of very flowery
Speaker 2: words like our partnership is stronger than ever, we're such
Speaker 2: good friends. So maybe I kind of doubt that China
Speaker 2: would do that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: They might look to, you know, buy up a bunch
Speaker 2: of forests or something. They might look to buy it.
Speaker 2: I don't think they would invade.
Speaker 1: I thought that if they were going to do that,
Speaker 1: they would go to the oil rigs right Siberia where
Speaker 1: they had that perma frost. That's where the Russian oil
Speaker 1: derek's aren't they're not.
Speaker 2: I think that's true. But then again, I think China
Speaker 2: would just try to buy it instead of do anything
Speaker 2: forceful or coercive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean that's kind of been What's one
Speaker 1: of the main things keeping the Russian economy alive is
Speaker 1: that they're buying the China is buying Russian oil. So
Speaker 1: I didn't whenever I read that report, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is Putin actually scared about a Chinese invasion or is
Speaker 1: this more like a hypothetical wargame type of situation that
Speaker 1: somebody has turned into an article. I couldn't substantiate it,
Speaker 1: So you know, you, being our resident almost Russian correspondent,
Speaker 1: I had to know if you had heard anything on
Speaker 1: your end about potential musclings of g I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, this could get into a little brief history lesson,
Speaker 2: but China and Russia were best buddies back during the
Speaker 2: early communist era and especially nineteen forty nine to nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty eight. But there was a big schism over partly
Speaker 2: a border dispute and some other crap. I don't really
Speaker 2: recall that well. Yeah, but that's why Nixon went to
Speaker 2: China in nineteen seventy two on Kissinger's advice. They drove
Speaker 2: a wedge between the Soviet Union and China, and that
Speaker 2: worked fantastically.
Speaker 1: Oh really, we just did an episode on the Cult
Speaker 1: about the lost cosmonauts, right, and one of the stories
Speaker 1: of one of these lost cosmonauts Long story short TLDR.
Speaker 1: The Russian space program had a couple of failed attempts
Speaker 1: for launch, and when these cosmonauts burned up, they pretty
Speaker 1: much just wiped the records airbrushed them out of pictures
Speaker 1: of the cosmonaut class and they're just like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about. Look, guy, we didn't have any failed
Speaker 1: lunches whatever. And again this is during the Soviet Union
Speaker 1: time frame, big space race going on, all these things.
Speaker 1: One of these guys, Vladimir Illusian, if not mistaken, he
Speaker 1: was actually the first manned flight to orbit the Earth,
Speaker 1: but he had some sort of a malfunction and he
Speaker 1: landed in China. This is during that time, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: it was early sixties when China and Russia were kind
Speaker 1: of on the outs because they were tight. They were
Speaker 1: boys in the early days of the Soviets and the
Speaker 1: Communist Chinese Revolution, all these things up until the fifties,
Speaker 1: like you said, early sixties, they were on the outs,
Speaker 1: and China arrested this guy and kept him in a
Speaker 1: prison for over a year, thinking that he was a
Speaker 1: Russian spy. In reality, it was an accidental crash landing
Speaker 1: on Chinese soil. Then when he gets back to Russia,
Speaker 1: his entire file gets scrubbed and they call him a
Speaker 1: bull faced liar and say he was never a part
Speaker 1: of the space program. So like, it's like you said,
Speaker 1: a little bit of that history lesson. It's in that
Speaker 1: timeframe where China and Russia kind of were on the outs.
Speaker 1: Now they made up, of course, but yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a weird section there of about a decade and some
Speaker 1: change where they were not as homies as they are
Speaker 1: now for sure. I don't know. I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to throw on one more thing. There's
Speaker 2: this thing called just war theory. I'm not a fan
Speaker 2: of it. It's this big Catholic church teaching that goes
Speaker 2: back to Saint Augustine from about four hundred a d.
Speaker 2: And he said, well, war can be conducted, but it's
Speaker 2: going to abide by three principles. Number one, it should
Speaker 2: be defensive rather than aggressive. Number two, it should try
Speaker 2: to minimize civilian casualties, and number three, there has to
Speaker 2: be a decent probability of success. And the reason I
Speaker 2: think that it's useless is that everybody always thinks that
Speaker 2: their war is going to meet all three of those.
Speaker 2: It's always in self defense, and it's always going to
Speaker 2: be easy. We're going to be home by Christmas, and
Speaker 2: we're always going to avoid civilian casualties because we're the
Speaker 2: most moral army in the world. Everyone always believes that.
Speaker 2: Everyone always tends to believe that about their own group.
Speaker 2: They're a country, their nation or whatever. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not a fan of it.
Speaker 1: I am a fan of old Saint Augustine slash Augustine.
Speaker 1: However people want to pronounce it. I'm not educated enough
Speaker 1: to know which way is the proper pronunciation. But he
Speaker 1: himself as a figure. Have you looked into the life
Speaker 1: of him.
Speaker 2: Didn't he start out as a pagan or his mother
Speaker 2: prayed for him a lot. Her name was Saint Helena,
Speaker 2: and he eventually became a Christian. He read Catholic or
Speaker 2: Saint Augustina Hippos it's in North Africa, and he wrote.
Speaker 2: He wrote voluminous bunch of letters and stuff.
Speaker 1: He wrote more books than Paul the Apostle, and that
Speaker 1: shit got turned into the New Testament. Augustine Augustine Webber.
Speaker 1: He was a pagan, he was big into literature, He
Speaker 1: was a part of the neo Playtonism movement at one
Speaker 1: point in time. All of these things until he found
Speaker 1: his truth and he got the you know, the grace
Speaker 1: and mercy revealed to him, and he became a diehard Christian.
Speaker 1: And with that he was so motivated that he went
Speaker 1: on to write, like I want to say, it's like
Speaker 1: forty different volumes of literature that is still studied by
Speaker 1: scholars today. As far as like what the true Church
Speaker 1: should be now, granted, he borrowed a lot of the
Speaker 1: philosophical thought processes from some of his earlier teachings and
Speaker 1: his scholarly studies from before he found Christ and all
Speaker 1: these things, but as far as a guy who was
Speaker 1: motivated for the cause and got after it for work,
Speaker 1: I mean, I at least got to get props to
Speaker 1: the boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think war time or philosophy before that, political
Speaker 2: philosophy was way more primitive and Nietzschean and saying that
Speaker 2: the powers full should rule over the week. I think
Speaker 2: that's the general feel I get from Roman and Pagan right,
Speaker 2: it's like you're more of a trying to christianize it. Sorry,
Speaker 2: what are you more of a Machiavellian type guy?
Speaker 1: I mean, there's really a little bit here. By the way,
Speaker 1: there's no wrong answers.
Speaker 2: I feel like Augustine's perspective would be really useful if
Speaker 2: it could be more scientifically done, and if there were
Speaker 2: any way to say scientifically and quantitatively which side of
Speaker 2: a war is right and which side is wrong from
Speaker 2: the outside outset, I should say, But the problem everybody
Speaker 2: brings so many assumptions to the table that we're never
Speaker 2: going to be able to do that right. So that's
Speaker 2: why it's never prevented a war. To my knowledge, it
Speaker 2: probably never will prevent a war. So we can gibber
Speaker 2: jabber about just war theory, but in my opinion, it's
Speaker 2: actually not that useful.
Speaker 1: I believe there are there is such a thing as
Speaker 1: a just war I don't believe that we've been involved
Speaker 1: with one for quite some time, if arguably ever. Like
Speaker 1: real ship the Civil War, Oh, it was a just
Speaker 1: war because it was to abolish slavery. Okay, on the surface,
Speaker 1: that one sentence completely out of context. Of course, it
Speaker 1: was a just war. When you look at the dirty
Speaker 1: underbelly of what that all entails and the other fifty
Speaker 1: other things that were the onset to that war, it's
Speaker 1: not so clear cut. The Revolutionary War, well, it was
Speaker 1: a clear war to get out of the you know,
Speaker 1: King George and all that, except for the fact that
Speaker 1: it was started by a bunch of aristocratic white dudes
Speaker 1: that didn't want to pay their taxes. And then it
Speaker 1: becomes less clear cut World War two, America getting involved
Speaker 1: with it, Yeah, we from that platitude can say that
Speaker 1: it was a just war. Keep in mind, it was
Speaker 1: going on for years before we got involved with it,
Speaker 1: and hell, before we got old with it, half of
Speaker 1: America supported Hitler. It's a whole other thing. I've seen
Speaker 1: so many pictures of protesters saying quit sending weapons to
Speaker 1: Germany for their war. Why was America and North of
Speaker 1: Grumming and all these Why were we sending weapons and
Speaker 1: munitions to the Nazis at some point in time? Why
Speaker 1: did Grandfather Bush why did he have such a crazy
Speaker 1: connection to the Nazis. And then again you look at
Speaker 1: it and it's like it's not exactly as just war
Speaker 1: clear cut as it seems on the surface, right, it's
Speaker 1: about whose history book you're reading.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't aware that we gave any munitions, but
Speaker 2: I was aware that the Sword Motor Company factories were
Speaker 2: building tanks over there, and some oil companies were even
Speaker 2: selling oil to the Germans in the war because they
Speaker 2: had a license to do so.
Speaker 1: Coverty wasn't sending weapons to Germany. Maybe he was sending
Speaker 1: support to Germany.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you couldn't send any support unless you had
Speaker 2: a license to and some of them got the license.
Speaker 2: Here's a counterfacture to throw at you that has bugged
Speaker 2: me for years. The British government, the British you know, Crown,
Speaker 2: entertained the idea of emancipating slaves during the Revolutionary War,
Speaker 2: and I just wonder if they had done that, would
Speaker 2: everyone's moral calculus of the Did I say civil War,
Speaker 2: I met Revolutionary War? And yeah, if they had done that,
Speaker 2: would that have changed the whole moral calculus of the war.
Speaker 2: Because most of their slaves were in North America, they
Speaker 2: barely had any anywhere else. They had a few in
Speaker 2: the Caribbean, and that would have had the same a
Speaker 2: similar effect as the emancipation problem of eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 2: But I don't think most Americans would be on board
Speaker 2: with saying, oh, yeah, you know, throw George Washington under
Speaker 2: the bus because he was a slave owner. So somehow
Speaker 2: slavery's okay way back in seventeen seventy six, but then
Speaker 2: in eighteen sixty one to sixty five, now, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's a moral abomination, and we have a
Speaker 2: right to, you know, conquer the people practicing it and
Speaker 2: force them to stop.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And there's a bit of a double standard.
Speaker 1: There, absolutely, And I mean there have been people to
Speaker 1: throw all of the shit at Thomas Jefferson for having
Speaker 1: bastard children with some of his slaves, right, George Washington
Speaker 1: for being a slave owner. All the founding fathers, most
Speaker 1: of them, not all, most of them were slave owners.
Speaker 1: They were the wealthy elites of the day and age.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of a thing that the wealthy elites
Speaker 1: had in their stable, if you will. It was, it
Speaker 1: was a part of it. And to that point, if
Speaker 1: Britain would have emancipated the slave population of the colonies
Speaker 1: at the time, I feel like that would have even
Speaker 1: led to a harder and faster. I could be completely
Speaker 1: wrong here, but they had abolitionists as far back as
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War. It just was way more quiet of
Speaker 1: a talking point and the other thing, all right, I
Speaker 1: understand that America has an ugly past when it comes
Speaker 1: to the Transatlantic slave trade, not trying to underplay that
Speaker 1: or undermine that in any way, shape or form. Does
Speaker 1: everybody understand that Brazil got three times the amount of
Speaker 1: slaves from the Transatlantic slave trade that we got, like
Speaker 1: Portugal put three times the amount of enslaved human beings
Speaker 1: on a whole other continent, And somehow they get no shit,
Speaker 1: they get no shade in that regard. It's just America
Speaker 1: because we're evil, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right right, Yeah, I've noticed, but I think most
Speaker 2: people are unaware of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, you know, Brazil was a worse place to go,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Yeah, worst climate. It was mostly the
Speaker 2: men who ended up there. There were very few African women.
Speaker 2: Most of these men just went to their graves without
Speaker 2: how having children. The ones who ended up in North
Speaker 2: America were a little.
Speaker 1: Bit luckier, slightly slightly everybody.
Speaker 2: It's not saying much, right, but that's why we have
Speaker 2: something like a similar black population is what's down there now.
Speaker 2: Also another thing, Yeah, William Wilberforce was he around eighteen
Speaker 2: hundred abolishing slavery in the British Empire. And when the
Speaker 2: US went to war with England again in eighteen twelve,
Speaker 2: we were just talking about the Eleventh Commandment with boats. Yes,
Speaker 2: had something to do with the start of that. It
Speaker 2: wore eighteen twelve. But the British were trying to tell
Speaker 2: American slaves, you know, you should, you should desert and
Speaker 2: come over to our side. We'll emancipate you. And that
Speaker 2: actually attracted a fair number of them. And that's partly
Speaker 2: why I know I sound like a liberal now. But
Speaker 2: when Francis Scott Key wrote The Star Spangled Banner, he
Speaker 2: included a line that said that no grace could slight
Speaker 2: save the hireling and slave in the Land of the
Speaker 2: Free and the Home of the brain. He was talking
Speaker 2: about slaves who were deserting to go join the British.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, okay, that shouldn't be a liberal thing to say, right,
Speaker 1: But it has become that Acknowledging history means acknowledging all
Speaker 1: of it. Some of it's ugly, some of it. We
Speaker 1: Republican Democrat whatever side of it, we can all acknowledge
Speaker 1: that slavery's bad. That shouldn't be a liberal talking point.
Speaker 2: It's easy to do today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and I mean, ugh, like we were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, right, a just war is that even possible?
Speaker 1: I could argue that freeing enslaved people, not just in
Speaker 1: America right now, Africa, the Mauritania, for the record, you
Speaker 1: can still own slaves. That's a country in Africa. And
Speaker 1: for the record, Sub Saharan Africans are the ones that
Speaker 1: are enslaved more than the Upper Saharan Africans as far
Speaker 1: as that country is concerned. Slavery still it's been illegal
Speaker 1: since like nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty one, but it's
Speaker 1: not exactly illegal, it's more like frowned upon. Right now,
Speaker 1: if a country America written Chad, I don't give a
Speaker 1: fuck was to launch a war to abolish the slavery
Speaker 1: in that country, on the surface, that could be seen
Speaker 1: as a just war. But then to get involved in
Speaker 1: any type of war you almost are forced to take
Speaker 1: a Machiavellian approach to it. There's no way around that.
Speaker 1: And no, I don't mean some men are born better
Speaker 1: than others. I don't mean that as far as Machiavellian goes.
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is essentially, you can't make
Speaker 1: an amad without cracking a few eggs. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean that to the terms of how not to throw
Speaker 1: shade at Russia, but also their thought process as far
Speaker 1: as how many eggs you crack to make an omelet,
Speaker 1: I find to be absurd. Neither here nor there. That's
Speaker 1: not just a Russian tactic. That's a tactic that China
Speaker 1: has used over the years. That's a tactic that Hell
Speaker 1: America has used it. At a certain point, Nazi Germany
Speaker 1: did it with the Blitzkriek tactics. There's a certain level
Speaker 1: where you understand that you are going to sacrifice a
Speaker 1: massive amount of numbers for your side in order to
Speaker 1: accomplish the objective. And at a certain point it's like,
Speaker 1: was the objective worth it if it cost that much
Speaker 1: life in order to get And it's like in the
Speaker 1: moment it might seem that way. Decades later, somebody, some
Speaker 1: armchair historian or two to people on a podcast one
Speaker 1: day are gonna look at it from the outside and say, look,
Speaker 1: the math clearly didn't equate, why did they do this
Speaker 1: in the first place, and all this So it's like
Speaker 1: to be a leader of a nation, or even a
Speaker 1: leader of a military, not just of a certain branch,
Speaker 1: some sort of a high level general of any type
Speaker 1: or an admiral. You almost are forced to take a
Speaker 1: cold cut, machiavellion approach to things. And it's not comfortable,
Speaker 1: it's not fun, it's not good. But at what point
Speaker 1: do we decide what is a just war and what
Speaker 1: is a just cause? Because that's just a matter of
Speaker 1: perspective in most of the cases, I would think, yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's normally up to the political leaders of the
Speaker 2: country to start the war, and the military brass normally
Speaker 2: considers it their professional responsibility not to be political and
Speaker 2: to just do their job of executing it as efficiently
Speaker 2: as possible and not get into the decision making morality
Speaker 2: side of it. I would say, that's pretty normal.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I do enjoy these conversations, everybody, just y'all. No,
Speaker 1: I do love Wednesday nights. All right, So all right,
Speaker 1: let's move into this article here. It's from the Associated Press,
Speaker 1: So everybody go ahead and put on those blinders to
Speaker 1: understand the stance that this article is probably gonna take here,
Speaker 1: but as this alleged two hour phone call took place
Speaker 1: between Trump and Putin, which again I was very excited
Speaker 1: to hear about, because Putin just recently threw up the
Speaker 1: middle finger and said, never mind, we ain't doing no ceasefire.
Speaker 1: We're getting after it. Then Ukraine launched these bombs b
Speaker 1: ba bah. When I heard that Trump and Putin had
Speaker 1: finally talked on the phone for a good minute, I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, hold on, now we might get a
Speaker 1: little bit of some movement, we might get a little understanding,
Speaker 1: maybe some deals could be made. Let's see what happens here.
Speaker 1: So let's read in here. The Trump Putin phone call
Speaker 1: gave the Kremlin leader a chance to pivot away from
Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine. They talked about the fighting in Ukraine,
Speaker 1: of course, but the US and Russian presidents also chatted
Speaker 1: about improving relations between Washington and Moscow, peace in the
Speaker 1: Middle East, global security, and even hockey games. And I'm
Speaker 1: hoping I don't know which hockey games in particular they
Speaker 1: talked about. I don't know if they talked about was
Speaker 1: that the miracle on ice, the Olympic team or whatever,
Speaker 1: I hope they talked about the Bronch Street brawlers, the
Speaker 1: time that the Philadelphia Flyers put the beating of a
Speaker 1: lifetime on the Soviet hockey players, but that way back
Speaker 1: in the day. Anyway, During more than two hours, During
Speaker 1: the more than two hour chat, the longest such call
Speaker 1: between the country's leaders in years, Donald Trump and Vladimir
Speaker 1: Putin covered a range of topics, and, importantly, for Putin,
Speaker 1: the conversation gave him a chance to pivot away from
Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine and engage in more broadly on
Speaker 1: global issues, drawing a line under Washington's pass efforts to
Speaker 1: cast him as an international pariah. Tuesday's phone call appeared
Speaker 1: to reflect both leader's interests in mending the US Russian
Speaker 1: ties that have plummeted to their lowest points since the
Speaker 1: Cold War amid the three year conflict in Ukraine. The
Speaker 1: Kremlin and the state controlled Russian media praised it as
Speaker 1: a long sought launch of an equal dialogue between the
Speaker 1: two nuclear superpowers. A halt in fighting, I'm sorry, a
Speaker 1: halt of fighting in Ukraine seems as distant as ever.
Speaker 1: While both the White House and the Kremlin cast of
Speaker 1: discussion as a key step towards peace in Ukraine, Putin's
Speaker 1: uncompromising demands are making a truce elusive. Seeking to cultivate
Speaker 1: warm ties with Washington, Putin accepted a halt on strikes
Speaker 1: on energy infrastructure, while avoiding the outright rejection of Trump's
Speaker 1: thirty day ceasefire. The Krilin leader leaked excuse me. The
Speaker 1: Krimlin leader linked it to a halt in Western arms
Speaker 1: supplies and a freeze on Kiev's mobilization effort, conditions that
Speaker 1: Ukraine and its allies firmly reject. Unlike Kiev, which accepted
Speaker 1: trunk ceasefire offer amid a series of battlefield setbacks, Putin
Speaker 1: appears to have little interest in a quick succession of hostilities.
Speaker 1: With Russian forces firmly holding the initiative on the battlefield,
Speaker 1: Ukraine is on the verge of completely losing its foothold
Speaker 1: in Russia's Curk region. We discussed that earlier one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: whereas forces are clinging to a sliver of land along
Speaker 1: the border after their surprise incursion in August of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. Russia's offensive shattered Kiev's hopes of exchanging its
Speaker 1: gains and curage for some of the territory Moscow captured
Speaker 1: elsewhere in Ukraine. Got a couple of pictures here if
Speaker 1: some of the wreckage and all these things. Putin said,
Speaker 1: Ukrainian forces that remain in Kursk are surrounded, a claim
Speaker 1: echoed by Trump, even though Kiev denies its soldiers are
Speaker 1: encircled again. You can only deny that for so long, dude.
Speaker 1: It's only going to be a matter of time before
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to either a throw up the white
Speaker 1: flag or b gets slaughtered. Ukrainian officials fear that Russia
Speaker 1: could try to attack the nearby Sumi region that borders Kirsk.
Speaker 1: At the same time, the Russian army is pressing offenses
Speaker 1: in several sectors of the Dunesque region in eastern Ukraine.
Speaker 1: By making the ceasefire conditions on a freeze of arms
Speaker 1: supplies to Ukraine and its mobilization effort, Putin is trying
Speaker 1: to cement Russia's gains and force Kiev to cave into
Speaker 1: Moscow's demands. He wants Ukraine to withdraw its forces from
Speaker 1: the four regions that Russia illegally annexed but never fully captured,
Speaker 1: renounce its bid to join NATO and radically trim its
Speaker 1: military Putin's acceptance of a halt on strikes on Ukraine's
Speaker 1: energy facilities has allowed Trump to claim at least partial
Speaker 1: success for his peacemaking effort. But the move wasn't a
Speaker 1: major secession, a concession by Moscow given the massive damage
Speaker 1: to Ukraine's power grid from years of attacks. Discussion between
Speaker 1: the two superpowers, and I don't like how they put
Speaker 1: quote unquote on two superpowers. I would argue there's only
Speaker 1: one superpower on that phone call, but whatever. While seeking
Speaker 1: to expand its military gains in the Ukraine to dictate
Speaker 1: peace terms, Putin also used the call to shift the
Speaker 1: discussion away from the ceasefire to other global issues he
Speaker 1: appeared to win Trump's interest. The White House says it
Speaker 1: it's readout of the call that the leaders spoke broadly
Speaker 1: about the Middle East as a region of potential cooperation
Speaker 1: to prevent future conflicts, discussed the need to stop proliferation
Speaker 1: of strategic weapons, and agreed that a future with an
Speaker 1: improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has
Speaker 1: a huge up side. I think that goes without saying here.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody getting along is just better for business.
Speaker 1: And again, what is Trump if not a businessman? This
Speaker 1: includes enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has
Speaker 1: been achieved, it said the US Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff,
Speaker 1: who flew to Moscow last week to meet with Putin,
Speaker 1: praised both leaders and offered optimism the Kremlin was moving
Speaker 1: towards a broader truce. I would commend President Putin for
Speaker 1: all he did today on that call to move his
Speaker 1: country close to a final peace deal, Witkoff told Fox News,
Speaker 1: and I would give all the credit to President Trump.
Speaker 1: I can't overstate how compelling he was on this call. Okay,
Speaker 1: of course he's going to be slobbing on that nob
Speaker 1: at least a little bit. It's kind of his job,
Speaker 1: I get it. H Kremlin spokesperson Dmitri Peskoff underline that
Speaker 1: Putin and Trump understand each other well, trust each other,
Speaker 1: and intend to move gradually toward normalization of Russia US relations.
Speaker 1: Russian State TV and other krimlin Can controlled media hailed
Speaker 1: the call as a move towards broad cooperation between Moscow
Speaker 1: and Washington. The pro Kremlin tabloid One more Time, Pravda,
Speaker 1: Thank God, you're here, Tony. I swear to Jesus That
Speaker 1: tabloid noted that normalization of relations between two nuclear powers
Speaker 1: superpowers was on the agenda, and state news agency Ria
Speaker 1: Novisti Novosti Yeah pointed at the evolving partners relations between
Speaker 1: the US and Russia. This format is in line with
Speaker 1: a new vision of a multipolar world that is apparently
Speaker 1: shared by both the White House and the Kremlin, it
Speaker 1: said uh Tasiana Stanovaya Yeah of the Carnegie Endowment said quote,
Speaker 1: the most significant outcome was the implicit acceptance of US
Speaker 1: Russian cooperation on key international and bilateral issues. She added
Speaker 1: that this marks an obvious victory for Putin, who seeks
Speaker 1: to decouple bilateral relations from the Ukrainian War. I okay,
Speaker 1: I guess it's her job to kind of slob on
Speaker 1: Putin's novel a little bit here. So okay, obviously a decent,
Speaker 1: amicable phone call between Trump and Putin. Trump's guy is
Speaker 1: gonna be he was so compelling. Meanwhile, Putin's chick is
Speaker 1: all like, this is obviously a victory for Putin. Again,
Speaker 1: we got we gotta make sure we're keeping all of
Speaker 1: the sources on the up and up here. The ongoing
Speaker 1: detoxification of Russia continues, she said in commentary, even noting
Speaker 1: an agreement on Putin's proposal to organize hockey matches between
Speaker 1: Russian and American players. First of all, I am here
Speaker 1: for that. That would be great. But also maybe I'm
Speaker 1: just being a little extra on that one, because we
Speaker 1: just watched the Canadian American hockey games take place, and
Speaker 1: that will is a full on brawl that happened to
Speaker 1: have a puck getting slapped around from time to time,
Speaker 1: and I love the combat of it all. So a
Speaker 1: Russia America hockey match I wouldn't want much hockey to
Speaker 1: get played, honestly, and it's not because like I'm over here,
Speaker 1: like oh fuck the comerce right, no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. But also hockey has fist fighting within it,
Speaker 1: and I think that that would be a rip snort
Speaker 1: in good time to watch. I could be wrong, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Now Ukraine and Europe take a backseat. Ukrainian
Speaker 1: President vladimir's Alensky responded to the Putin Trump call by
Speaker 1: warning that quote trying to negotiate without Ukraine, in my view,
Speaker 1: will not be productive. Okay, dude, you bro you literally
Speaker 1: just tried to hold a NATO summit without America to
Speaker 1: further your own ends and realize how empty of a
Speaker 1: promise everybody else could give you. Now you're upset that
Speaker 1: you weren't involved in a three way call. What are
Speaker 1: we talking about here? Is Alenski? Stop it? Trump called
Speaker 1: Zelensky for about an hour Wednesday and said on a
Speaker 1: social media post that the conversation was to align both
Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine in terms of their requests and needs
Speaker 1: the creation of the US and Russian working groups to
Speaker 1: ponder ceasefire specifics and a possible deal to ensuring on
Speaker 1: ensuring the safe shipping Indie Black Sea that was mentioned
Speaker 1: in the Kremlin readout of the Trump Putin call marked
Speaker 1: yet another move towards discussing the fate of Ukraine in
Speaker 1: its absence, upending the Biden administration's policy of nothing about
Speaker 1: Ukraine without Ukraine again. I you know, I get, I
Speaker 1: understand why one of the main players in this situation
Speaker 1: would like to be involved in every conversation about the situation.
Speaker 1: I get that. However, let's not forget. Was it not
Speaker 1: even two weeks ago that he showed his ass in
Speaker 1: the Oval Office when he was completely included in the
Speaker 1: conver So at a certain point, you know what, the
Speaker 1: grownups have to have a conversation without the children butting
Speaker 1: in every few seconds. I know that's just me. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just a little jaded towards it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The conversation didn't bring good news either to either Kiev
Speaker 1: or Europe, who saw themselves clearly ignored, said Fyodor Lukyanov,
Speaker 1: a Moscow based political analyst familiar with the Kremlins, thinking
Speaker 1: two great powers are discussing the settlement while paying little
Speaker 1: attention to others. Yeah, stany Jova, Yeah, butchered that one.
Speaker 1: Note that Putin has shifted discussion away from the ceasefire
Speaker 1: while giving little in return. This is very bad news
Speaker 1: for Ukraine, which is increasingly being treated as a bargaining
Speaker 1: chip in this game, she said, Which has that not
Speaker 1: been what it's been the entire time of this quote
Speaker 1: unquote special military operation. It's all been a bargaining chip.
Speaker 1: The land itself has been a bargaining ship. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I kind of thought I was understood at this point,
Speaker 1: But okay. Nigel Gould Davies, a senior fellow for Russia
Speaker 1: and Eurasia at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, deplored
Speaker 1: Trump's affinity or sympathy toward Putin and his reluctance to
Speaker 1: significantly punish or constrain Russia, which allows the Kremlin leader
Speaker 1: to stick to his strategy to grind down Ukraine militarily
Speaker 1: and outlast the West politically. Russia wants to decide the
Speaker 1: fate of Ukraine and ultimately of Europe, with the United
Speaker 1: States alone, with no other negotiating partner. He said, I
Speaker 1: can't think of another period in my lifetime when diplomacy
Speaker 1: has been so upended in such a brief space of time,
Speaker 1: he said, noting the closest example was in the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighties when Gorbachev was the leader of the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1: While it took Gorbachev four years to abandon long standing
Speaker 1: Soviet commitments in Eastern Europe, Gould Davy said, it has
Speaker 1: taken four weeks for the United States to call into
Speaker 1: question fundamental, long standing commitments to Europe. Well, okay, fair enough,
Speaker 1: wild times, y'all, wild times. And so you know what,
Speaker 1: before we get into this, the protests against the arrest
Speaker 1: of istanbul Mayer and all these things here from the
Speaker 1: euro news about what's going on there. Does anybody have
Speaker 1: anything else they would like to add in on the
Speaker 1: Ukraine Russia situation, the phone call between Putin and Trump,
Speaker 1: or Putin and Zelenski, or any of these things.
Speaker 2: Well, as me again as usual, I think, really it
Speaker 2: seems like a stretch. But my imagination is that even
Speaker 2: the Russian American or Russian European, Russian NATO schism largely
Speaker 2: revolves around Israel because the Soviet Union was they voted
Speaker 2: to recognize Israel in the very beginning, but after that
Speaker 2: their relations went sour pretty quickly, and Russia supported Syria
Speaker 2: and Egypt and all of Israel's enemies for a long time,
Speaker 2: and they're still doing it. In terms of being a
Speaker 2: strategic ally ever run Syria is off the table now though,
Speaker 2: yeahcuse since December Russia was a very staunch assad ally
Speaker 2: but they're off the table now.
Speaker 1: Russia's got their two Mediterranean bases in Syria, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they were gonna keep a sodden power as long as
Speaker 1: they could, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as far as I know, they still have
Speaker 2: those bases. And I heard there were.
Speaker 13: Some some some massacres, some murders going on in Syria
Speaker 13: a week or two ago, and a lot of the
Speaker 13: people who were victims of it and their families, their people,
Speaker 13: they were fleeing to the Russian bases for production.
Speaker 1: That also makes sense to me because while certain countries
Speaker 1: may have opinions about Russia and what they do and
Speaker 1: what they are, yeah, yeah, fine, fine, fine, in Syria,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, And yes, it's a very fractured nation
Speaker 1: right now, there's like thirteen different regions that all claim
Speaker 1: that their guy is the guy over the whole country
Speaker 1: and all these things. Whatever, I'm pretty sure it's understood.
Speaker 1: Don't kick the bear like realistically, Yeah, those bases are there,
Speaker 1: and the areas around those bases can be contested. Those
Speaker 1: bases are still owned by Russia, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: everyone understands. Let's not question that they're doing Russian shit
Speaker 1: on that side of that fence, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like Guantanamo Bay. Yes, Fidel Castro,
Speaker 2: don't touch Guantanamo Bay. That is the third rail.
Speaker 1: That's it, you know, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Their version of that. Anyway, I opened up a tab
Speaker 2: on this Turkish guy. But you want to say something
Speaker 2: else about Russia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you this now. So, like
Speaker 1: you said, Russia backed Israel in the early days of
Speaker 1: it all, right.
Speaker 2: Then they voted for recognition in nineteen forty seven or
Speaker 2: forty eight.
Speaker 1: Right, and then they started siding with the Arab neighbors. Now,
Speaker 1: do you believe that this is because they had a
Speaker 1: change of heart to words Israel or is it because
Speaker 1: the lines are getting drawn in the Cold War and
Speaker 1: they were trying to do business with every state that
Speaker 1: they could. And since the West and the capitalist nations
Speaker 1: had nothing positive to say about the Arab nations, they
Speaker 1: they were seen as pariah states, quote unquote, So Russia
Speaker 1: had no other options but to get more aligned with them,
Speaker 1: I e Iran. Therefore, they did turn their back on Israel,
Speaker 1: and it was more of a business move more than
Speaker 1: a ethics move.
Speaker 2: It was definitely a geopolitical gamble they took because a
Speaker 2: lot of the early founders of Israel were very socialists
Speaker 2: in their overall ideology and in the structures of the kibbutz's,
Speaker 2: And I guess the Soviets believed that Israel would become
Speaker 2: a Soviet aligned country, but it was I'll give them
Speaker 2: potential it ended up in the American orbit, and then
Speaker 2: you know, NATO orbit eventually pretty solidly. As for the
Speaker 2: rest of the region, I don't know what kind of
Speaker 2: connection Russia had with them before, but Russia had always
Speaker 2: been an enemy of Turkey, and Turkey was just chomping
Speaker 2: at the bit to join NATO as early as they
Speaker 2: could in nineteen fifty two. But pretty much the rest
Speaker 2: of the Arab world was kind of enemies with Turkey.
Speaker 2: So that could be one reason that the Russians or
Speaker 2: the Soviets got along with with the Arabs. It's kind
Speaker 2: of similar to how the Arabs got along pretty well
Speaker 2: with the Germans during World War Two. Yeah, Israel obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, in the Nazeiason, Jews were the most bitter
Speaker 2: enemies you can imagine, and the Arabs were more on
Speaker 2: the German side to their kind of everlasting shame in
Speaker 2: terms of history since then, because as far as America
Speaker 2: is concerned, being the Nazi is like the worst thing.
Speaker 2: So if you're aligned with them, if you're Japanese or
Speaker 2: Hungarian or Arab or whatever, you know, you can't align
Speaker 2: with the Nazis. That's unforgivable.
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, they were more aligned with the Nazis against
Speaker 1: the Ashka Nazi Jews in particular the Spartans. The Arab
Speaker 1: nations hid them. They were homies with the Spartaks that
Speaker 1: lived in their areas. That's That's another weird thing that
Speaker 1: I want to do more of a history dive on that,
Speaker 1: because the Sparkan Jews and Muslims they're cool, like they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not best they were it means, but well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess they were. They probably have had some schisms
Speaker 1: in the past few decades, but for the vast majority
Speaker 1: of time they got along just fine. They you know,
Speaker 1: they lived in the same areas. You know, they went
Speaker 1: to different schools to learn different things. But as far
Speaker 1: as they they kind of all got along as neighbors
Speaker 1: would do. You know. It was there the Nazis, the Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were a hard problem against.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were enormous Jewish pop populations in Iraq and
Speaker 2: Syria and Jordan and Egypt, and yeah, they were all
Speaker 2: driven out in the fifties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it did happen. And then, like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: everybody Turkey was super wanting to get involved with NATO
Speaker 1: in the beginning. They were rushing to the opportunity, and
Speaker 1: literally since they've been a member of NATO, they had
Speaker 1: been the resident bastard child that everybody was forced to
Speaker 1: deal with that nobody wanted to deal with. But because
Speaker 1: of how unstable all of this Middle East is, it's
Speaker 1: nice to have a NATO ally in the area quote
Speaker 1: unquote italicize ally with that statement. But Turkey being at
Speaker 1: least a NATO member, it was kind of seen that
Speaker 1: maybe they could be useful at some point. And then
Speaker 1: more often than not, it's like they fall in and
Speaker 1: out of favor of all of other NATO countries and
Speaker 1: they have the entire time, I can't think of one
Speaker 1: time for like five years collectively wherever was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, Turkey ain't mad. They they are good people
Speaker 1: over there, you know. I kind of like Turkey. It's
Speaker 1: like they'll go like six month increments of being cool
Speaker 1: and then being assholes, and they bounce back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. But that being the case, that kind of
Speaker 1: leads us to this next article. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: this one's from your own news. This says thousands protests
Speaker 1: against arrests of istanbul Mayer seen as Key erged erged again.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know why the G is pronounced that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know what that uh what that
Speaker 1: literary device is called over the G that makes it
Speaker 1: a y noise. But okay, to one sure. His rival
Speaker 1: authorities close off roads and implemented a four day demonstration
Speaker 1: band in an effort to prevent protests following ekrum Yep
Speaker 1: the rest.
Speaker 2: Im Moglu I think, or imamlu.
Speaker 1: Imamlu Ima Moyulu. Yeah, the mayor, the mayor, they arrested him.
Speaker 1: Protests are happening, and they just put a ban on
Speaker 1: the protest for four days. Thousands of protesters took to
Speaker 1: the street of Istanbul on Thursday following the arrest of
Speaker 1: the city's mayor, the opposition figure is seen as a
Speaker 1: key rival to the president. Several roads have been closed,
Speaker 1: some social media platforms were restricted, and a four day
Speaker 1: demonstration ban was put in place in an attempt to
Speaker 1: thwart protests. However, despite the band, many gathered outside Istanbul's
Speaker 1: police headquarters, the city hall, and outside the headquarters of
Speaker 1: the mayor's Republican People's Party office. How about that. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a direct quote here. He said. This is
Speaker 1: not democracy, It's a sham of democracy. The people do
Speaker 1: not deserve this, and we are upset. Of course, as humans,
Speaker 1: we are upset. Rio police blocked off roads leading to
Speaker 1: the Vatan Security Department where the mayor was taken following
Speaker 1: his arrests. The mayor is a popular opposition leader and
Speaker 1: the main rival to the President of Turkey. A total
Speaker 1: of one hundred people, including the mayor and several prominent figures,
Speaker 1: were arrested. I have a weird feeling that they're not
Speaker 1: going to survive much longer now they're in custody. I
Speaker 1: could be wrong. The mayor and his aides are suspected
Speaker 1: of alleged corruption, including extortion and fraud, as well as
Speaker 1: aiding in the Kurdistan Workers Party. Oh no, here we
Speaker 1: go now, I understand why the President of Turkey hates
Speaker 1: this guy. If he's even slightly friendly to the Kurds.
Speaker 1: This makes sense. The PKK is an outlawed party classified
Speaker 1: as a terrorist organization by the Ankara, Washington, and other
Speaker 1: Turkish allies. The mayor's arrest comes amid a wider crackdown
Speaker 1: on opposition figures, which has been criticized as a politically
Speaker 1: motivated in an attempt to silence dissent descent. A day earlier,
Speaker 1: istan Bull University revoked the mayor's bachelor degree, a requisite
Speaker 1: for running in elections under Turkish law. You know something,
Speaker 1: I kind of like that, to run for a local office,
Speaker 1: you have to have some sort of higher education and
Speaker 1: you have to hold a bachelor's degree. I like that personally.
Speaker 1: I like that. Now, granted, I think it should also
Speaker 1: have some sort of distinction on what type of bachelor's degree.
Speaker 1: If you have a bachelor's in like underwater basket weaving,
Speaker 1: I don't think that that means that you should be
Speaker 1: able to run. But you know, there are things, they're stuff.
Speaker 1: But basically, the college that he got the bachelor's degree
Speaker 1: from revoked it, so now he can't even hold office
Speaker 1: under Turkish law. Now that's petty. Speaking at news conferences
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, the leader Republican People's Party, Osgar Ozel, sure
Speaker 1: mirror the criticism. He claimed Irdawin has had experienced significant
Speaker 1: losses in local elections last year, targeted the mayor as
Speaker 1: he feared losing him, alluding to him in the ballots.
Speaker 1: Ozel also accused authorities of a coup attempt. They can
Speaker 1: do any evil we are. We are ready for any
Speaker 1: evil they can do, because it is clear that the
Speaker 1: issue is not a political struggle, but a matter of
Speaker 1: existence or non existence for the country, he added. Turkey's
Speaker 1: Justice minner Yamas tunk Tunk Sure counted the allegations and
Speaker 1: reminded that the courts operate independently. Characterizing investigations carried out
Speaker 1: by an impartial and independent judiciary as something like a
Speaker 1: coup or using similar terms is extremely dangerous and incorrect,
Speaker 1: Tounk said. The Justice Minister emphasized that the judiciary does
Speaker 1: not take instructions from anyone. Linking investigations and cases initiated
Speaker 1: by the judiciary to our president is at best presumptuous
Speaker 1: and inappropriate. The separation of powers between the legislative, executive
Speaker 1: and judiciary is essential in our country, he concluded. On Tuesday,
Speaker 1: the European Commission President Ursula vonder Lean Vonderleyan I feel
Speaker 1: like I've heard that name before, express deep concern over
Speaker 1: the mayor's arrest and reminded Turkey of its obligation to
Speaker 1: uphold democratic values. Turkey is an EU candidate country. Turkey
Speaker 1: must uphold the democratic values, especially the rights of the
Speaker 1: elected officials. She told reporters in Brussels. We want Turkey
Speaker 1: to remain anchored to Europe. But this requires a clear
Speaker 1: commitment to democratic norms and practices, and is and is
Speaker 1: key that Turkey respects these fundamental principles. She added, Okay,
Speaker 1: so essentially Turkey's got some wild stuff going on with
Speaker 1: it right now. That's very interesting. Uh, Okay, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that they'd gone to having riots in the streets
Speaker 1: and having the main opposition leader to Erdwin arrested. Now
Speaker 1: that's that's another level. Now. I also didn't know that
Speaker 1: the main opposition leader to Earth was allying himself to
Speaker 1: the Kurds. Like that's an understood. Everyone hates the Kurds.
Speaker 1: Which I wish that Kurdistan would become a country as
Speaker 1: much as I think Israel should be a country, and
Speaker 1: that should be a thing. The Kurds need place to
Speaker 1: call their home. Otherwise they're just gonna keep getting genocided
Speaker 1: by all the other Arabs. We can't have that, you know.
Speaker 1: But then it's like where are they're gonna go? Who's
Speaker 1: gonna give up the land? Dah bah bah bets yeah,
Speaker 1: all the stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, So, session movements are not really popular with the
Speaker 2: governments that don't want them to happen.
Speaker 1: Right, I want to.
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about the history the CHP, the
Speaker 2: Republican People's Party, which I just looked up and I'm
Speaker 2: not an expert on this, but this is the party
Speaker 2: of Mustapha Kamal out of Turk who listeners may know
Speaker 2: as the founder of modern Turkey, who replaced the Ottoman Empire.
Speaker 2: And this party has been exist in existence we're all
Speaker 2: but a couple years in the eighties ever since then,
Speaker 2: but they're a minority party now and Air Dowan's party
Speaker 2: is the biggest one. I don't know the name of it.
Speaker 2: I don't speak Turkish, but this Republican People's Party, Okay,
Speaker 2: Air Dowon's party is more like the Republicans. They're more
Speaker 2: right wing, they're more religious, and they've gotten a big
Speaker 2: boost in the last few decades because the eastern part
Speaker 2: of the country is more religious and has a higher
Speaker 2: birth rate. The western half has Istanbul and Ankara, and
Speaker 2: kind of like in America, the big cities tend to
Speaker 2: be more liberal, and the big cities are more in
Speaker 2: favor of this Republican People's Party. And if I can
Speaker 2: read just off of Wikipedia. The ideological and political positions
Speaker 2: please of the CHP. It says they numerous politicians have
Speaker 2: espoused LGBT rights and the feminist movement in Turkey, just
Speaker 2: as you know, kind of indicator of where they are.
Speaker 2: They spouse social democracy in Kamalism Kamal refers to Mustafa
Speaker 2: Kamal out of Turk from back in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 2: And they are softer on the Kurdish question and something
Speaker 2: having to do with Cyprus that I don't know a
Speaker 2: hell of a lot about. In terms of their foreign policy,
Speaker 2: they are very They waffle a lot, kind of like Arawan.
Speaker 2: They'll say pro Israel stuff sometimes but anti Israel stuff
Speaker 2: other times. Chairman uz Uzel accused Israel of committing state
Speaker 2: sanctioned terrorism on Palestinian people, declaring the Turkish left is
Speaker 2: never far from the Palestinian cause. But he also said
Speaker 2: that the October seventh attack against Israel constitutes quote an
Speaker 2: act of terrorism end quote. As far as other Turkish
Speaker 2: foreign policy, the CHP supported Turkish intervention in Libya, and
Speaker 2: it has voted against intervention in Iraq since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty three, it has also voted against inter
Speaker 2: mentioned in Syria. It has a big border with Syria,
Speaker 2: and people might not that Turkey has kept a lot
Speaker 2: of those HTS fighters safe in id Lib until they
Speaker 2: took over in December twenty twenty four. And I don't
Speaker 2: know what it means that the CHP it has voted
Speaker 2: against intervention in Syria. Does that mean it's more pro
Speaker 2: ASOD or it was because Asad was still in power
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. But most importantly, I would say
Speaker 2: the party is pro European and supports Turkish membership to
Speaker 2: the European Union. They also supported Turkish membership in NATO.
Speaker 2: The party voted overwhelmingly in favor of Finland and Sweden's
Speaker 2: accession into NATO, and Arado I was kind of against
Speaker 2: that because Sweden and Finland had pro PKK pro Kurdish
Speaker 2: things to say until they took a more pro Airedwan
Speaker 2: stance on that, but that was a sticking point. Turkey
Speaker 2: almost prevented Finland and Sweden from joining NATO in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember hearing about that as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: and I thought, and I didn't know the in the
Speaker 1: inner workings of that deal, but I remember that it
Speaker 1: pretty much unanimously has to be voted yes for a
Speaker 1: new country to join NATO, and Turkey was withholding. Now,
Speaker 1: some people were saying that that was because Erduwan had
Speaker 1: some sort of like under the table alliance to Russia
Speaker 1: into Putin, and so it was kind of like he
Speaker 1: was waiting to see if Putin was going to he
Speaker 1: was waiting to see if the money would be wired.
Speaker 1: And that's not correct, that's a euphemism, but whatever the
Speaker 1: case was, he was trying to like muscle for position
Speaker 1: or try to get in the better graces of Putin.
Speaker 1: And then he gave him the thumbs up, so it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so he was just withholding to be a dick. Then
Speaker 1: we hear that no, they had Kurdish leanings for those countries.
Speaker 1: Those countries are on the opposite side of the continent.
Speaker 1: They can have whatever opinions they want. What about that,
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, But one is doing his his thing, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one and the Turkish government in general, they
Speaker 2: try to play down the middle between European interests and
Speaker 2: Russian interests. They don't want to gravitate too far in
Speaker 2: either one of those directions. So even if their government
Speaker 2: gets replaced by this new guy, I don't think their
Speaker 2: foreign policy is going to change much. But to one
Speaker 2: I would predict he manages to hold onto power, because
Speaker 2: he did in twenty seventeen, they'll probably hold on again.
Speaker 2: There's one more section here in Wikipedia. It says the
Speaker 2: CHP draws its support from professional, middle class, secular and
Speaker 2: liberally religious voters, so more liberal. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: the Democrats a Turkey to Airdwan's right wing Republicans, just
Speaker 2: to draw a very rough analogy to American politics. And
Speaker 2: they're I don't know, he might win, but I would
Speaker 2: still bet the Arewana is gonna be president a week
Speaker 2: from now.
Speaker 1: Oh I would. I would think so, seeing as how
Speaker 1: his main opposition just got arrested. M h yeah, I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at maps of Turkey. It's all in the west,
Speaker 2: where he's got to support, and the coastline, but then
Speaker 2: the rest of Turkey is all the yellow color, which
Speaker 2: is Aredwan's party, and then the east is this other color,
Speaker 2: which is the Kurdish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I said, of people that inhabit Turkey, it's
Speaker 1: like a third of the country all on the eastern
Speaker 1: side the southeastern I should say, and it's very Kurdish, uh.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say dominant, but per population numbers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Kurds definitely. And that's their area. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you look take away country's lines for two seconds, take
Speaker 1: away borders north Syria, southeast or yeah, yeah, so northeast Syria,
Speaker 1: southeast Turkey, north west Iraq and that section of azerby
Speaker 1: John right there, that whole set is like the Kurds,
Speaker 1: if you want to call it their hereditary land. It's
Speaker 1: not like they have some sort of a promised land
Speaker 1: situation like the Jews did to Israel. It's nothing to
Speaker 1: that regard, but that is where they have primarily been
Speaker 1: located for a very very long time. So that is
Speaker 1: where the potential for a Kurdistan could happen. Now with
Speaker 1: Syria being so fractured, there is a section of it
Speaker 1: that is calling itself a makeshift Kurdistan. But it's not
Speaker 1: like the Kurds of Turkey are lining up to go
Speaker 1: there right now because the country is a little bit
Speaker 1: of upheaval and they are safer in Turkey even though
Speaker 1: they are ostracized, and well, I don't want to say subjugated,
Speaker 1: but like, for instance, it's illegal for them to speak
Speaker 1: Kurdish in the schools there. Erdawan made it illegal for
Speaker 1: them to even do most of their Kurdish practices for
Speaker 1: a good bit there. So they are absolutely under the
Speaker 1: thumb of the you know, country that they currently reside in.
Speaker 1: But they're still safer there than if they were to
Speaker 1: try to go out to Syria and carve out a
Speaker 1: section in the world for themselves right now, and they
Speaker 1: know that. I don't know how many Kurds are still
Speaker 1: currently living in Iraq. I think Saddam kind of did
Speaker 1: a lot of damage with the genocide that he did
Speaker 1: with the Sayer and gas bombs that America sold him
Speaker 1: to the Kurds at that point in time. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm not mistaken. In Azerbaijohn, there's
Speaker 1: a very small Kurdish population, but they they they don't
Speaker 1: really cause any fuss over there. The Kurds are mining
Speaker 1: their p's and q's there because they're not trying to
Speaker 1: rock the boat. So yeah, this makes sense. But again,
Speaker 1: if a political opponent to the current standard, the guy
Speaker 1: that's been in charge for as long as he's been
Speaker 1: in charge, is spitting some pro Kurdish rhetoric. I have
Speaker 1: a feeling the vast majority of Turkey doesn't want to up,
Speaker 1: you know, upset the status quo that they've been living
Speaker 1: in for so long. So I'm bummed that he got arrested.
Speaker 1: I wish it would have been a fair and valid election.
Speaker 1: But then even still, let's say that, like the NATO
Speaker 1: chick said, or the EU chick said, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a part of the EU, you have
Speaker 1: to uphold democracy. And if he doesn't, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do. You're gonna kick him out of the EU,
Speaker 1: you kick him out of NATO. No, No, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna do They're not gonna do shit. So if anything
Speaker 1: Irdawin's probably just making them called or bluff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think democracy tends to be in the
Speaker 2: eye of the beholder. There's no country out there that's
Speaker 2: perfectly democratic, and I don't think any country should be
Speaker 2: perfectly democratic. Democracy is one of only several ways to
Speaker 2: organize any organization, government or not. There's democracy, there's only garchy,
Speaker 2: and there's monarchy. And all our favorite companies are monarchies.
Speaker 2: They get run from the top down. There's a hierarchy.
Speaker 2: Democracy is approp for sometimes but not all the time.
Speaker 2: And a good well functioning society knows how to make
Speaker 2: some decisions democratic and others decisions. Not every society will
Speaker 2: draw that line somewhere so absolutely like you're representatives, but
Speaker 2: you can't amend the constitution easily, or that's got to
Speaker 2: go through you know, several other layers.
Speaker 1: And then even if you do per the letter of
Speaker 1: the law, that's not going to change the culture in
Speaker 1: the mindset of the inhabitants of that area or the
Speaker 1: employees of that company, if you will. Like there's it
Speaker 1: takes time, it takes change, and it takes just sometimes
Speaker 1: an overhaul is needed, agreed. I just don't really think
Speaker 1: the Turkey's about to get that overhaul. I could be
Speaker 1: so wrong here, and these these riots in the streets
Speaker 1: might grow, just like they're growing in Serbia right now.
Speaker 1: Who knows what will happen. I just have a sneaking
Speaker 1: suspicion because Turkey is way more of a they're way
Speaker 1: more structured as a nation than Serbia. In Romania and Ukraine,
Speaker 1: right it's they've got more of a long standing tradition
Speaker 1: of a status quo that is maintained not so much
Speaker 1: in these other countries. So I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that Erdwin's in any risk of losing
Speaker 1: his job by any means, at least not this go round.
Speaker 1: Who knows what the future holds. I think his position
Speaker 1: is pretty secure at the moment, though a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people are talking about what does this mean
Speaker 2: for Israel, and I don't think it will mean any difference.
Speaker 2: Erdwan has been kind of middle of the road. There's,
Speaker 2: of course some Islamists in Turkey who want to cut
Speaker 2: off all trade with Israel, and Erdawan has cut off
Speaker 2: some but not all. And I think that this other
Speaker 2: guy would do very similar things. I think the general
Speaker 2: attitude about Israel in a place like Egypt and Jordan
Speaker 2: is a lot scarier. Yeah, is a lot worse, but
Speaker 2: those the governments of those countries receive a lot of
Speaker 2: usaid and they're kind of sewn up. So Egypt and
Speaker 2: Jordan are not going to make any moves against Israel
Speaker 2: because their governments are they're relatively pro Israel, much more
Speaker 2: than their populations are. There's millions of members of the
Speaker 2: Islamic brother or what Muslim brotherhood in Jordan and in Egypt.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I think it started in Egypt. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but those governments, and I think Israel is kind of
Speaker 2: afraid what if there's another you know, Arab spring in Egypt,
Speaker 2: like there was. I guess that would have been twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: It would have been later than twenty eleven, but that
Speaker 2: was when Mohammed Morsey got into power. He only lasted
Speaker 2: a little while and he was cooed out of there.
Speaker 2: Mohammed Morsey would have been bad news for Israel, and
Speaker 2: they're probably right to be afraid of another one.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with that, but yeah, the whole thought
Speaker 1: of like this whole situation in Turkey, what does that
Speaker 1: mean for Israel? I personally am with you on this.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to actually have any effect
Speaker 1: on what's going down with Israel or Gaza or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Turkey has enough of their own problems to
Speaker 1: deal with, and they're trying to appease all their European
Speaker 1: quote unquote brethren. They are not about to start taking
Speaker 1: a hard stance pro or against Israel. If anything, They're
Speaker 1: just gonna take as much of a neutrality stance as
Speaker 1: they can. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna play in
Speaker 1: anything here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's another kind of long term cultural thing. But
Speaker 2: I get the sense Turks, like Persians, kind of look
Speaker 2: down on Arabs, So they're not super pro arab even
Speaker 2: though they're up. They're Muslim, they're all Muslim, they got
Speaker 2: that in common, but ethnically they still kind of look
Speaker 2: down on them a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Turkey and Iran, with their Persian backgrounds and their
Speaker 1: Zoroastrian backgrounds, when they went hard Islamic, they left a
Speaker 1: lot of their I'm talking ancient, long standing, proud culture
Speaker 1: by the wayside. But even still, it's like when you
Speaker 1: say the term Turk or sorry Persian, you are talking
Speaker 1: about the Turks, you are also talking about the Iranian.
Speaker 2: Well, well, the Turks they were Byzantine before, and the
Speaker 2: Persians were Iranian. But then I think the Cellucids or
Speaker 2: the Seljuks invaded Turkey from Central Asia and they changed
Speaker 2: the identity of the place again. But you know, it
Speaker 2: wasn't Persian. But I get the sense of the Persians
Speaker 2: and the Turks both looked down on Arabs because they
Speaker 2: both well, especially the Ottomans, they dominated Arabia for so
Speaker 2: long and then the Arabians fought back and seceded, and well,
Speaker 2: they just looked down on them as, Oh, they're less educated,
Speaker 2: they're more violent than we are. We're more civilized than
Speaker 2: they are. That's the overall mindset that I kind of
Speaker 2: gather from them.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think culturally there's that looking down their
Speaker 1: nose at their neighbors. For that, it's it's racism by
Speaker 1: any other standpoint, but because it's Persian versus Arab or
Speaker 1: Turk versus Arab, I guess it's it's viewed differently even
Speaker 1: though it's another version of racism, and that's that's like
Speaker 1: a long standing cultural feud. You're one hundred percent correct
Speaker 1: on that. I don't know who knows how things are
Speaker 1: gonna shake out, as we always do. You know, we
Speaker 1: will be talking about it as things play out. We
Speaker 1: do have a couple more things that you know, we're
Speaker 1: just not gonna get to tonight. Royce. I do appreciate
Speaker 1: you sending the Goblin in Mexico thing. Let's put a
Speaker 1: pin in that one and we'll talk about that next
Speaker 1: week because that's pretty crazy. Or send it to the
Speaker 1: Cult Conspiracy Live on Tuesday, because that also I feel
Speaker 1: like Jonathan, we get a kick out of that one
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 14: That's harder to do because there's so many more people
Speaker 14: there and just so much more crazy.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's fair, all right. Well, I will try
Speaker 1: to do what I can to pull that, and I
Speaker 1: saved it on my computer, so I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: little digging into that, and hell, that might even become
Speaker 1: a cult conspiracy episode. To be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything about it until tonight, but we'll see
Speaker 1: how it goes. Man.
Speaker 14: I mean I only said it honestly because so first
Speaker 14: of all, I'm huge into cryptids, and because you guys
Speaker 14: did an episode about cryptids not too long ago, I
Speaker 14: was like, ooh.
Speaker 1: This would kind of be cool, absolutely, man, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate you sending it, all right. So with that being said,
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