Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys
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Speaker 1: Today and listening watching.
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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 4: Happy anniversary, the happy anniversary to you. You look lovely,
seven year rich, nice and you're still with us. Yeah,
and I'm still with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's with us.
Speaker 2: One of our lovely members said it's amazing that you
guys could record seven years worth of episodes since Bobo
isn't alive, and so I just responded and said, necromancy.
Speaker 4: The forbidden arts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Occasionally do hear that you're dead? Bobes? How's how's it
going up there? Down there?
Speaker 3: I probably contribute to those rumors by how I look
some days, but they're still false.
Speaker 4: They're still false to say Bobo is still not dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say quite alive, but not dead either. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well we'll wait that one out. They'll be right eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then they can pull a Bobold say I've been
saying that for years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm the one tired this time Cliff. I
went out with bart last three nights in a row.
Speaker 4: Now where'd you go?
Speaker 3: We did the usual. We were up in the redwoods
and dump into the meadows up there in the upper
Hillaria and Thurman. We were just throwing and we hiked
in a few spots and we drove out east. We
went south of Sitting up into the bluff. I went
to the opposite side of the climate down on that way,
up in some high altitude ponds, getting some DNA samples
for high school hearts a little project. Yeah, yeah, goes
exactly as plan, but we got some samples.
Speaker 4: What went sideways? Like why is this? You just had
to go get some water, right o?
Speaker 3: Well, the best place we were told to go this
kind of more remote spot, the hiking spot. It's kind
of like bushwacky and stuff. And they guys like it's
like a mile mile and a half or something. And
then we went in part of the way. We were
looking on the on the just our phone GPS. We're
like it's been like over an hour and we're like
not even twenty like twenty percent of the way that
there's no way this is a mile. It's like one
of those classic oh, it's a mile. It is probably
like three and a half or something like, going like
up and down steeple. You know how there's out of
those elevation games are it's all vertical and so yeah,
from looking on the air, miles was like a couple
of miles, but going up and down and all that
and climbing over down trees and it was pretty slow going.
But we got some of our samples. Oh, we got some.
We got some decent ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, good, Well, hopefully something comes of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful though. It was nice. A couple of mosquitos,
Like we're just one spot in this big meadow, and
we thought, man, we're gonna get just swarm like it
was marshy and stuff and a lot of standing water.
We're excuse me, so bad? And no, we got pretty
lucky again, I thought for sure. Then during the day,
like you hear a ton of insects buzzing around like
horsewives and bees and wasps, and not one landed on
me the whole morning we were there.
Speaker 4: It must be in your diet.
Speaker 3: You don't know what it was, but it was. It
was amazing to not be the focus of every insect
annoyance and bite. I'm just swarm. But they left me
alone this time, so I was pretty stoked.
Speaker 4: But no big foot activity or anything.
Speaker 3: No, we didn't hear any nothing. It was dead. We
were in great spots at the right time of the
year and just it was quiet.
Speaker 4: M okay, And how did you hear about that the
water that you were you were sent to?
Speaker 3: Oh, I talked to Ikor McCovey. McCovey from Hoopo. Yeah. Yeah,
he knew a pond out there. He said, like it's
a it's it's let's see how big it Some people
might call it a small lake or it's probably smaller
than a it's not a lake, it's it's a pond,
but it's in a great spot where it's something some
upper headwaters area or some major creeks come out that
are like really known those creeks from on hot spots
of the same general area up there, this headwaters areas
we were up and that that's where we were at.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 4: So three nights out with bar that's a treasure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as Arm gave out, yes, he has to go
to the doctor. He pitched the nerve in his neck
from like like turning his head out the window, like
looking out the window all the time we were doing
driving them like we did some hiking and you know,
cruising around, hiking and stuff. And then last night we
were driving went through the Bald Hills and you know,
down ninety six and some logging roads. And in two
weeks it's my twenty fifth anniversary of my first sighting
whoa that was in May, so it was the right
time you here to be up there. We went by
my old sighting spot. But it was just we got
out and listened for a while, you know, not long,
maybe a half hour, but did were we were camp.
We had no no accident at the camp either. There
was tons of we're we found a great metal. It
was like Barson was the most antal life you've ever
seen in northern California. In one spot.
Speaker 4: What kind of animals deer, elk.
Speaker 3: Bears, I mean, like ray because it's rare see raccoons anymore.
There was some a couple of raccoons out there. I
can never see us things out there because there's so
many mountain lines of bobcats. But I saw a couple
of those. And then yeah, the bear to the bear
I saw a bear before the sun went down, ran
in front of me driving up there, and it looked
like it was October. Like it looked like it just
come from the grooms. It was fat, and it was
at least three hundred and fifty pounds or maybe three
seventy five pushing four in that area, like it was big. Yeah,
it just looked beautiful. It was healthy, like shiny coat, thick,
full coat. It did not look like a spring bear
out all the way. Looked well fed into the year bear.
Speaker 4: There's probably a lot of food out there right now,
I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We were like it above four thousand feet,
five thousand feet up to six thousand feet and there
was no snow. We didn't see one to drop a snow.
Speaker 4: Wow, Well that's good to know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wide open. They were gonna get a sample
at fish Lake, but it was closed. My buddy, I
talk about buddy, He's like, oh, yeah, I just know
last week it was killer blah blah blahs this and that,
and so yeah, we're going to get a sample. And
then you didn't tell that they it was locked and
they had to sneak in ride their mountain bikes for
like five miles from the gate.
Speaker 4: Now, is that really sneaking in because aren't you allowed
to be in there? It's just so you can't drive.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I think you can walk
in there, but you can't ride a bike because it's tires.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think any of those lakes, Blue Lake
or what's that one lake in between Blue Lake and
Fish Lake that has no roads and stuff by it?
Oh yeah, I forget right now, but yeah, there's I've
never seen that lake, but man, I bet, I bet
that's a pretty good area in there. Blue Lake, I
know a couple of years ago turned out like three
sidings or something in one summer. And then Fish Lake
has always been good, and so that one that no
one goes to, well it's got to be.
Speaker 3: Good too, right, Oh yeah, just makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I did the Ohio Conferences this past weekend, which is,
of course, is always great. Mark knows the gig. He
always sells out, and there's always vendors and there's always people,
and so that was a fun event, although I will
say I did not have fun getting home. I stayed
till Monday. Mark the organizer, drove me to Cleveland, which
is a couple hours. You dropped me off at the
airport for my like seven thirty flight or something, and
I was supposed to hop over like an hour plus
slightly over an hour flight to Chicago, where I was
going to catch the last flight of the day to
Portland that left at nine thirty that i'd be home
in Portland at midnight or something like that. Well, apparently
the weather didn't want to cooperate and it shut down
the Chicago airport pretty much, so no flights were coming
in and very few were getting out. So my plight
was delayed. So by the time I got to Chicago,
it was about midnight or midnight thirty that night on Monday,
so I obviously missed the last flight to Portland. It
was also delayed, but it did eventually get out, but
I missed it because I was not there. And so
I was put on the next flight out, which was
the first flight in the morning, and I got the
last seat, which of course is a middle seat on
the plane that left at ten o'clock in the morning.
So I was in you know, one of the terminals
of Chicago from about twelve thirty at night until ten
am the next morning. And so I finally got home
on Tuesday at about one thirty, and I hadn't slept
since Sunday night Monday morning, when I woke up at
like seven or whatever to go get breakfast still at
Salfork State Lodge. So I didn't sleep for a long time,
and so I got home and took a nap that
ended up being six hours. I woke up and had dinner.
Then I took another nap until Tuesday or you know,
Wednesday morning.
Speaker 3: Really nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think tonight I'm gonna put myself to
bed early and wake up tomorrow and get some stuff
done for a change.
Speaker 3: But listen, not Richo's scary story tonight.
Speaker 4: I suppose, well, you know, she always falls asleep to
the soothing sounds of historical tornadoes, you know, So so
I like, she'll be dead asleep and I'll go in
like a midnight or whatever, because she goes to bed
much earlier, and she's listening to like YouTube rebroadcasts of
deadly tornadoes then.
Speaker 3: Like the weather guys talking about it both both.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you're in Jackson, Mississippi, you need to
take cover now right now. Everything's and she's like just
sleeping peacefully it's like you need to get in and
it's like this, oh, this is a Tuscaloosa tornado from
blah blah blah blah blah, Like she has knows all
the dates and stuff, but she's she's listening to this stuff.
This is devastation. Everything's destroyed. You need the fine shelter
now now, and and then like she's just sleeping mother
Nature's greatest hits. Yeah, your wife might be a little
weird club, I know, I know, she's adorable. Yeah, she's
the best.
Speaker 3: That's pretty funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, between that and her haunting clothes and waving at
dogs and whatever else said what all the other you
know things that she does. I can't imagine being, you know,
married to someone who's normal.
Speaker 3: It'd be hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd be hard for me. I'm so used to it,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2: Sod. You meet a lot of listeners at the Ohio conference.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like the regulars are out there
and I can't rememberybody's name.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know, you read the winners of the
raffle we did or the whatever the prize thing we had.
Speaker 4: For those No, no, no, they never identified themselves, so
I don't know who they are or if they did,
I don't remember. Yeah, so, but it was a good conference.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 4: I did my presentation on doctor Meldrum's nineteen ninety six
five points trackway. There's a little tip of the hat
to our good friend Jeff instead of my regular look
at what look what we've been doing at the NABC
All Year presentation, which is what I've been normally doing.
But I decided to tip of the hat to our
good friend doctor Meldrum.
Speaker 3: Was the the most cool thing you found in his files?
Speaker 4: In his files? Hmmm, that's a good question. I haven't
been out there too much lately. Well, you know what,
I guess one of the coolest things I've done lately
with the with the Meldrum material is I And actually
I guess I was gonna it's gonna surprise you guys
with this, but I don't think I'm going to now see,
so maybe back up a bit, because I think I
mentioned on the podcast real soon. I think I'm going
to start Saturday, I'm going to start the sale of
the Tipmos collection from the Willow Creek Museum with their permission,
of course, because I would never do it otherwise, the
North American big Foot Center, my museum is going to
be selling Bob Tipmos's footprint casts and taught the permission, yeah,
copies of them, of course, and with the permission of
the Willow Creek Museum, and a significant percentage of every
sale will go to that museum. They will be making
money by doing this. But because of that, I'm I
probably need to go down at some point and make
make a couple molds, right, But making a mold with
latex takes like a week, so I can't do that.
So I need to do it very very quickly, like
in one day. And that is dependent upon a type
of silicone rubber that you can use. And there's two
different varieties. One sets up in about a half hour hour.
The other one sets up in about four to six hours.
Speaker 3: That's a better one if you can have the time. Yeah, Yeah,
that that.
Speaker 4: The longer one works a little bit better because it's
a harder silicone and the mold will last longer.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I can likely do probably one hundred or a couple
hundred poles of casts from them, whereas the shorter duration one. Yeah,
I can do some good quality poles, but eventually it's
going to start tearing and stuff, and eventually both of
them will. But this the the shorter curate curating one
curing one rather would would kind of break down first,
you know. But I'm doing experiments with those. So what
I did is I went into the Meldrum Collection and
I actually the Blue Mountain Collection specifically, and I was
looking for a cast of interest that had never been copied.
So I found one I think it's from nineteen ninety
five or four at the Double Check actually, but I
found an original cast from the Blue Mountain Collection, and
I made a mold out of both of these kinds
of soilicones of the same individual cast. So I have
two casts, now, I'm sorry, two molds of the same
cast that had never ever been copied before. And so
I'm going to pour a couple of copies of those
to see if different solicones produced different qualities of casts,
you know what I mean, and just kind of get
a feel of both of them. So but because of that,
what am I going to do with these casts? I
could always put them in the stock at the NABC,
but we're going to have so many new casts soon.
But this cast is from John Manzinsky.
Speaker 3: Oh no, what you got my chist's cast?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought that was.
Speaker 4: That's that's what I'm going to say. So I'm Matt
and Bobo. You will both be receiving a cast, first
gen cast from John's cast in the mail in the
next couple of weeks. Here, I just got to get
a ford.
Speaker 3: That's exciting, dude. That's that's that's I couldn't there's not
a cast on a lot more than that.
Speaker 4: It's a pretty cool one. Additionally, it is also of
the same individual that was filmed in Paul Freeman's video
in nineteen ninety two. It's that individual. It's the same
animal that Doctor Meldrum cast. It's the same animal that
was filmed we had d Duck Springs by Paul. It's
the same animal that was filmed in Green Peak too
earlier that same year that that footage was never really
publicly released because it's so terrible. But it's the same animal.
So pretty exciting. So you guys will be receiving one
of these after I get my act together, and it'll
take me a week or two, so that gives you
guys plenty of time to forget about it. So it'll
be a surprise when it arrives on the math.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure so. I guess that's the newest thing that
is kind of cool that came out of the Meldrum
collection is that cast was now copied and I'm doing
experiments with the silicone in order to copy some Willow
Creek casts and you guys get to benefit from it.
Speaker 3: Very much appreciated. I'm Jeff and Cliff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yellow, and the hair samples are starting to flow
out the door and out to Darby too, so the
Meldrum hair samples that he had been sitting on all
these years, so that'll be going too. So lots of
things are happening as always, because that's what happens in
bigfoot Land, unless you're on the Internet, which case nothing happens.
He just bark at each other all day long. But
if you're actually out doing Bigfoot stuff, it turns out
a lot happens. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of like being out in the real world,
I spoke at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Festival this last
weekend and hadn't gotten to talk to you guys since then,
but met a lot of our listeners. I felt like
I did my Karmick good deed by reconnecting Bobo and
the Turtle Man.
Speaker 3: You guys. I love that guy.
Speaker 2: Oh he was great and he was very excited to
get to chat with you again, Bobo. But I did
meet a lot of awesome listeners, So thanks y'all for
coming out and saying hello. And I did hear a
story that was meant for all three of us, but
obviously I was the only one there. So I'm telling
you guys this. So I hope this listener doesn't mind.
Speaker 3: Me telling you this.
Speaker 2: I don't think she would, because I think she wanted
us to know and it meant a lot to me.
But a woman had come up to get a copy
of the book and told me that she'd been a
longtime listener. She had said, I'd love to tell you
my story, but I think I would cry. And at
first I thought she meant like an intense sasquatch story,
So I said, oh, did you have an encounter and
she said, well no, she said my mother had sounded
like an intense battle with cancer, and she said, so
I would drive her to and from Chemotherapy, and it
was kind of a long drive. And she said, my
mother was also very skeptical about the Sasquatch thing. And
so she said, you three guys were our writing companions
on those drives to and from Chemotherapy. And she said,
not only did you keep us entertained and make us
laugh and we really bonded over that, but you also
made quite a believer my mom. And so she said,
I just wanted to meet you and tell you thank
you for that, and she was emotional. It made me
very emotional, and I said, I will make sure to
let Cliff and Bobo know that as well, because that's
the sort of thing that makes it all worthwhile in
my opinion. You know, it was. It was very nice,
but it was a great event meta, Like I said,
a lot of cool listeners hung out with the Mountain Monsters.
Speaker 3: Guys. That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And Lee and Jennifer and Russ and Maria and again
encountered the Turtleman and watched him light up when he
got would He said, give me Bobo's phone number, and
so I give it to him, and he started calling
right there, and I was thinking, once again, like please answer,
Please answer, because Bobo does not always answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he answered, he had the same he had the
same number. He reverted back to an old number he
had that he wasn't using for years, and then it
all sudden knows that one popped up. I filling my
phone from his old number.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised he has a phone at all, kind of
it was a flip phone. I saw it with my
own eyes. So no apps on that phone. No, So
the phones are for a calling.
Speaker 3: That was great here. It was great to talk to
the turtle man. I haven't talked to like a year,
year and a half. He can do that, he can
do that thing. What's it called? What do they call that?
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I guess that would be like what was the name
of the show Kry of the Turtleman or something.
Speaker 2: Was I think it was call of the wild Man. Oh,
there you go.
Speaker 4: That has to be what it's called, right, they call
the wild Man. We should try to get recordings or
short videos of you know Ernie like Turtleman or you
know wild Bill and people like that making pigeon noises.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh turtle I can do you know, I can
imitate everything.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah, he's really he's like a sasquatching.
Can make anything if you want me to do.
Speaker 3: I can do a.
Speaker 4: Yeah Southern man tail, a mourning dove, yeah, et cetera,
et cetera. Oh, you know, on the plane ride out
to Ohio, bobs Well, I had a sign Peter burn book.
I had an extra, so I brought it to the
conference and see if anybody would want to get it.
And so I was reading that on the the flight
out because I haven't read Petersburg book in a long,
long time. In a long time. Yeah, it was interesting,
kind of dipping back into that a little bit. And
it was kind of odd in some ways how he
wouldn't even write people's names down when he was clearly
talking about them and talking smack about Renee de Hindon
and John Green at those guys, he wouldn't. He said,
the journalist and the lead scavenger, that's what he called them,
the lead scavenger, a moneymaker. Yeah, super funny. But you
know he did comments about him, and he and Dennis
Jensen discovered a nest up in the General Bluff Creek
area or wherever Red Cap. Yeah, on Red Cap Yeah,
about halfway down Red Cap Creek, he said. And I
thought you might find that out of interest since I.
Speaker 3: Knew that's that's where that property was. I thought he
lived all where I had a lot of stuff happened
was Red Cap Creek.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so I read that. I've made a note
to try to remember to tell you about it.
Speaker 3: So I hucked out there. What they said it was.
They said there were seven to nine miles up. It's
so far up there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a long ways, even if it's accurate,
you know, if that estimate is accurate, because people are
just terrible at distances, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what do we got on the plate today?
Speaker 2: Prout as of last week, on the fifth, did mark
our seven year anniversary. I made a little post for
the social media's and there was a ton of great feedback,
which I thought was awesome because you know, seven years,
it's like it's not quite a decade or something, but
it's still a long time. And so I was amazed
at all the stuff people were sending in, and so
for members, I was like, I got to find something
to celebrate this momentous day. And ever since the beginning,
like I've saved everything we've ever done, just all the
raw files, all the raw tracks, every edit, every mix.
So I went into our very first and you know,
maybe I can put some of that in here, maybe
not all of it, but for the listening pleasure of
the regular listeners. But I do have our very first
test call. We said, well, maybe we'll try this with
Skype and you guys had you as microphones. I was like, well,
let's just hop on a call and record it. Make
sure everything works and everyone's levels are set, because back
then we didn't have individual tracks, so I couldn't make
anyone louder or quieter. We just had to do that live.
And so I went and dug up that first test
call we did, which was pretty funny. There's a lot
of interesting discussion in there, like here's some trivia for
you who came up with the name of the podcast.
Speaker 3: I think I did.
Speaker 2: You are correct sir. There's a great little discussion in
there where Cliff's like, hey, you know, changing gears a
little bit. First of all, the conversation starts with this
segment about the discovery of Sergio, so.
Speaker 4: Bob, what the world's going on with parakeets?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 5: I just heard that one word, My jack ass neighbor
keeps buying parakeets and they keeps dying. And it was
like thirty seven degrees up. I needed an insulated house.
Speaker 4: And I had to get in there and say so
she had to break into the house to save parakeets. Yeah,
how did you break into the house the back so
the back doors open or do you just window back window? Okay? So, wow,
you're climbing through some windows today. Rough. And so when
you found the parakeet, what condition was it in?
Speaker 3: It looked pretty bummed out?
Speaker 4: Really, like how could you tell?
Speaker 3: It was super like like ruffled up and it was shivering?
Speaker 4: Oh, tropical birds.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then it pivots to this section where Cliff says, we
need to figure out a name.
Speaker 4: Oh, I was gonna change paragraphs to the name of
the show.
Speaker 3: Okay, Bigfoot and beyond Bigfoot and beyond. Okay, you think
that sounds good? Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely think so, because there's like a little
bit different connotation of like the show is predicated on Bigfoot,
but there's more Bigfoot and more like an emporium or
something like that, you know, and it's it sticks with
the alliteration, which is cool. Yeah, I'll go right now
and register the Twitter, Instagram, to Facebook.
Speaker 4: Although you know what, I really like the Biff and
Clobo Show.
Speaker 2: And so Bobo, you were the one who said I've
been thinking about Bigfoot and beyond, so kudos said, I
did not remember. I thought I knew it was one
of you two. But I was like, oh, we give
Bobo credit for that. And then who introduced the idea
of Bobo's story time yew Indeed, Bobo's got a good
memory because I was like, oh, man, I said, you
know what's funny is like Emily and I were sitting around,
we always talk about this Kenny Loggin story. You told
us you got to tell that and other stories like
that on the podcast. People would love that. So there
were like these great moments in there. And then I
also put up this segment that I'll leave up for
the pigeon, so if you want to hear it, maybe
you become a pigeon. But us trying to when we
first got in the iHeartRadio network, they wanted us to
come up with a sixty second promo and a thirty
second so I was like, oh, well, I'll cut one
that will be sixty seconds, and one that will be
thirty seconds. And we none of us had ever done
anything that before. I didn't write any kind of script,
so we had like loose ideas and it took us
about twenty five minutes to come up with sixty seconds
of promo content. And it is very very funny to
hear us trying to make that happen. So if you
are not a pigeon, that might be worth the price
I've admission.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where all the new listeners. Of course, a pigeon
means you are a member of our podcast, and that's
five dollars a month, and you get this episode completely
ad free, as well as a bonus episode with no
ads in it every single week, so at extra hour
content and some other extra cool things too, like pictures
of things we talk about on the podcast and links
to various things we talk about and that kind of stuff.
I think Matt is a really good job creating the
experience for the listeners over there, for the members.
Speaker 3: Or you can just have all commercials and cut us out.
Either way you want it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah we don't offer that. Yeah we should offer
that for a higher level. Yeah, just commercials. It'd be
like the people who love the Super Bowl, you know,
for the commercials. That's a great idea commercial television. I
guess that's what that really means.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it definitely does not
feel like it's been seven years. And this will be
as this comes out. This is episode three hundred and
sixty six.
Speaker 4: Ooh, order three sixty six.
Speaker 2: So part of me is like, when I hear those
old skype conversations like that test call and everything that
the listeners just heard, I went and remastered those because,
like I said, we recorded those with skypes. So part
of me is like, oh, maybe I should go back
and do that with some of the older ones for
you know, we did re releases for I don't know year,
year and a half, and I've re released a whole
lot of things. But maybe we should get back into
that habit, like remaster some of the old ones or
even maybe re edit some because man, those early calls,
when I was listening back to them, there was one
segment that was like our first attempt at a premiere episode,
and that first attempt at it is like three and
a half hours long and it's mostly jump. I think
I kept I think I kept about I don't know,
forty five minutes or an hour of it, and then
we did another session to make up the next fifteen
to thirty minutes or something like that. So it's just
so funny to listen to the awkwardness of trying to
get our feet underneath us just to have conversations in
the public space. So anyway, I think some of that
stuff would be good to put out here on the
main feed, and obviously the juicier stuff we can put
out for the membership because then it doesn't have to
be as bleeped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, another benefit of being a member less bleeps.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So one of the things I thought we could talk
about for today's episode because we do these above and
Beyond discussions because certain listener Q and A submissions tend
to touch on the same topic so often, And one
of the topics that people ask about a lot is
the concept of collecting a specimen. You know, obviously a
specimen is required, but it seems like the most expedient
way to get the largest sample of a sasquatch would
be to dispatch a living one, and that's been a
contentious issue and hotly debated for many decades now, and
one of the most recent submissions along those lines asked,
if you guys, for example, were asked to team up
with professionals, whether they were scientists, military teams, etc. To
acquire a specimen, would that even be something that you
would be interested in doing? And the listener says, just
to clarify, I don't mean you are pulling the trigger,
but I mean that you would help someone do that
in order to further the knowledge and facilitate the discovery
of the species. So I thought maybe that would be
a topic worth touching on since so many people ask
about it so frequently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've had that daydream so many times,
Like I'm holding the gun and the things right there,
it starts walking away. I could just shoot it in
the back. And it's not like a giant I want.
It's a small one, so I know, it's like shooting
a ten foot or like twelve hundred pounds. I think
the bulls is going to make it mad, like sometimes manageable,
you know, like the ones I seen that are smaller
than me. It's like you you shoot one of those,
and you know, have the game over, and then I
just think about it, like now I could not limit myself.
I did that. Well.
Speaker 4: Now, the person who posed the question specifically said, you
wouldn't have to pull the trigger, So would you help
otherwise if you didn't have to be the person on
the gun.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't like get in the way like like you know,
like those hunting protesters. I wouldn't do something like that.
But I don't think. I don't think i'd go out there.
I mean I wouldn't know. I mean, I wouldn't fault
anyone that did, but I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't go hand handcuff yourself to the sasquatch and
say not I'm my watch my sasquatch. Change your name
to butterfly, and go go live on the shoulders of
the sasquatch and never come down.
Speaker 3: I think the great plug listen there right there, Paul
Gray song, Bigfoot and Butterflies.
Speaker 4: That wasn't Butterfly The name of that woman who lived
on top of that redwood tree for like a year,
Julia Butterfly. Yeah, there you go. I thought I thought
that I remembered that correctly. You could do the same
thing in the Sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I climb on its back and just grab the
hair and not come. I'm not coming down.
Speaker 3: Getting diggyback road all over the forest.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm doing this to protect the Sasquatch.
Speaker 3: I read a really good setting their day, something like
old some old journal or something, but it was Canadian
woman talking about her mom had seen a bigfoot step out,
real fat like they came up on it and it
was a bigfoot playing like in the creek and the
mother was off to the side. There was another big
one like in the brush somewhere, and the as soon
as the sausage came where there was people right there.
It's just really swiftly jumped down so fast, like popped up,
jumped down with the The baby was a small one
and it was one motion, just scooped in with its
hand and like flung it up on its back and
they were just grabbed onto its hair and the mother
took off like through the brush with the baby just
hanging on like a baby chimp or something like.
Speaker 4: A baby bobo.
Speaker 3: Like she said, just sit. It looked like totally rehearsed,
like they'd done it like they'd practice a thousand times
where she just flung it on her back from one motion,
like just like a basketball player putting the ball behind
their back, like they're gonna go behind their back. It
just flicked it up in the air and it just
latched on like a bell. Crow just hung on the
female just shoot. The female didn't hold it at all.
It just baby held on with his own hands and
just did no support. It was just on for the ride.
She took off of the brush.
Speaker 4: That's cool. And where was this report from Canada?
Speaker 3: Somewhere like Ontario? I think gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 4: Well, getting back to the question of would we help
in any way, I think it would be hypocritical if
I said no, that I wouldn't help, because I'm doing
everything I can to help Darby or cut in his study,
because I really, sincerely think that Darby has a very
reasonable chance of proving this thing, and really he's the
only game in town. There's nobody else, really, I think,
with the capability at this point to really do it
well and do it right in an expedient matter. And
since and now Darby is not trying to kill anything,
mind you, I want to make that very very clear.
Darby's study will not end up with going out with
guns and obtaining a type specimen. A holo type is
not going to happen through Darby's study. But if Darby
or anyone anyone is successful at showing that these things
are out there, one will be collected eventually. There's no
other way around it, because just even if they prove
the species through DNA, they still will go out and
collect a dead one at some point. So it would
be hypocritical to say they should be proven as real
and then but one should never ever be killed, because
it will it will happen. If you are advocating for
proving sasquatches as real animals, then essentially you will well,
they will go out and get one. They're going to
kill one at some point. And since I do advocate
for academic acceptance of the sasquatch, I can't say that
they shouldn't kill one. I'm not going to kill one.
I wouldn't kill an eight either, you know, I wouldn't
kill any like a gorilla or something like that. I'm
just not that kind of guy. I just don't do that.
But I fully recognize that science will do that, and
I think that proving them, thus getting their habitat and
the animals and species themselves protected, is important enough that
I think it might be worth it, But I don't know.
That's our way up to me anyway. I didn't write
the rules, as Matt Pruitt said one time, I didn't
write the rules. But that's what science does. So it
would be hypocritical to say that if I would never
help somebody doing that, because if you're working towards the
proving of the species, you are paving the way for
that to happen at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just I mean, it's more like if there's
like a like a really crappy one, Like I mean,
we know that that there's some bigfoots that have killed people,
especially up in Alaska and places like that. Do you
get one it's known like to be like a you know,
quote unquote bad one. You know, it's taking people out.
I wouldn't have any problem going to harveston one of those.
Speaker 2: In terms of the question, I mean, it would be
hypocritical for me to say no, because obviously I was
a part of an effort to do exactly that for
seven years, and through that effort, you know, my opinions changed.
I think in the early days, I was definitely staunchly
against it, likely just for very emotional reasons and not
necessarily for very logical reasons. I also was really convinced
that like, oh no, it's we're so close to having
discovery happen that that's not necessary, and that to your
earlier point, Cliff, that like, yeah, that'll happen eventually, that
you know, once discovery or you know, pre discovery, whatever
the case may be, happens through some DNA or high
quality multimedia evidence or some combination of both, that that
will eventually happen. But then obviously, after years of waiting
and seeing, like, no, that does not seem like it's
going to happen, at least not the way we originally envisioned.
The fact that the North American Wood Ape Conservancy was
already engaged in that endeavor I sort of thought, and
I thought they were doing great work beyond just attempting
to collect a specimen, just there are other approaches to
field research.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a part of that, and I
knew signing up that that was a part of it. Now,
I wasn't a shooter, you know, I didn't carry a
long gun. I wasn't ever in a position to do that.
But I was on teams that were equipped and prepared
to do so, and made for some interesting days and nights,
that's for sure. And so I've been in that situation
and run every imaginable scenario. But I'll tell you in
the aftermath of all that, I don't think that that
is an endeavor for this citizen scientist or the citizens
scientist research group or organization. I think it will require resources,
a tremendous amount of resources, and probably not for the
reasons that people think when they hear this. So maybe
I'll spare that or save it for a different conversation.
But in terms of to the question, if it was
you know, a group of scientists, if it was being
carried out by a professional organization or an academic organization
or some sort of like institutional effort with the resources
that we're going to do things as morally, ethically, legally
as possible, and they said, hey, would you help provide
information or whatever the assistance guidance?
Speaker 4: Who knows?
Speaker 2: Then I think in that case it would you'd have
to wrestle with like, well, they're going to do this
with or without me, I can I contribute in a
way that helps make this happen legally, ethically, morally, And
it's it's a conundrum because as much as I know
it's required, you know, I see you know, fictional movies
with you know, animals getting killed and get just as
sad as anybody else into that think, Oh man, I'm
such a softie because I am a huge animal lover
whether sasquatches are more human like or more animal like.
And know I'm not trying to get into that debate,
but just the thought of taking a live But then,
on the flip side, people have made and will make
and could continue to make the argument that animals that
are apex predators that don't die at the hands of
something else, they die pretty slow, agonizing deaths, And so
is that going to result in more suffering than something
that's immediately lethal? Then you asked a question like, what
are the chances that someone will actually be able to
successfully make a lethal shot and just immediately dispatch an animal?
You know, I won't tell the story here because it
might be a little too gruesome, but I have a
friend in law enforcement who had a colleague a partner
in law enforcement that had to put down a live gorilla,
a male but I think weighed about two hundred and
fifty pounds and it took three rounds from a three
seventy five h and h to do it. Wow, And
he was one in the face, one in the chest,
and one in the spine. The face shot was a
jaw shot. But he had said to me. He was
the person who had said to me, he said, Hey,
I don't think anyone's just going to drop a sasquatch.
And he said, and here's why, and he related the
details of that story, and it was like, yeah, if
you think one's going to just show up and that
you can fire around at it and it's just going
to drop dead, he said, you're crazy. It's going to
run and who knows. It might run a mile, it
might run six miles. You have no idea. And that
would be to me, the worst case scenario is that
you fatally wound an animal but it's unrecoverable. So you've
wounded it. Now it's suffering and it's gone, and you
don't recover it. It makes no contribution to the discovery
of the species and the conservation of their habitat or
the protection of their habitat, and so it's so there
are so many variables and confounding variables and things that
it's like, I just don't really want to be any
part of that sort of thing. But at the same time,
if it were a real institutional effort with all the
resources that could actually pull something off again ethically, morally, legally,
safely for all parties, involved absolute reduction, hopefully to zero
suffering for the Sasquatch, then it would be hard to
say that you wouldn't want to see that happen if
it would mean that the outcome was positive for Sasquatches
as a whole. But it's so hard, man, Like, I
think it would be heartbreaking to see.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I really don't That's my honest answer, is like, I
don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good answer.
Speaker 4: I think I don't know as a great answer, and
far too few people give it when that's the truth.
Speaker 2: I would like to think that that no organization would
have any need of, you know, lowly podcasting guitar player
Bigfoot nerd Matt Pruitt to weigh in on that decision.
So I don't think that's a problem. I'll ever have
to run into in real life. But nonetheless, like that's
a it is a it is a good question. We
get so many questions about that, and I've been swayed
by both sides of the argument so many times. And
you know, that was a major reason for the I
think it's some of the early divide among the Four Horsemen,
among many reasons, but that was one of the big ones.
I'll have to find There's a clip of John Green
renee to Hendon, and Robert Morgan sitting at like a watch. Yeah,
they're like sitting at a picnic table debating and they're
all making good points. You know, they're all Green had
a very staunch position at that time. Dehindon was still
very you know, quote unquote pro killed. I think those
those terms are so silly, like pro killed, no kill,
Like no one wants to kill an animal. The question
is like, are you willing to collect a specimen, you know,
for the sake of discovery and to have an intact,
entire sasquad that can be studied from every aspect anatomically, genetically, morphologically,
on and on. Not that there aren't people who do
want to just kill a big scary thing, but nonetheless
I think didn't a hind and change his position later
in life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he did. I think he ended up thinking,
probably shouldn't shoot one of these things. But I think
in the early days he was in the shoot one camp. Yeah,
I'm not sure I can consider myself pro kill because
you know, if I practice more, I'm really more amateur kill.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, like, realistically, we know it's going to happen,
and so I do think and I don't want it.
I'm always thinking about like the most cynical listener out there.
So I know to some people it would sound like
a cop out to say, what's going to happen with
or without me? So you might as well guide it.
It's sort of like this truck's barreling down the interstate
at one hundred and forty miles an hour. You might
as well put one hand on the wheel and try
to keep it between the ditches, you know what I mean. Like,
so that doesn't necessarily mean that I want to be
in the truck that is going one hundred and forty
miles an a So if that opportunity came and everything
was as one would want it to be, then yeah,
you should probably say yes, I will. I will be
a part of seeing this through rather than saying like no,
I object, and I'm not going to be a part
of it, and it happens anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the irony for me is that I'm trying to
help prove the species without killing one, which will inevitably
result in killing one. Right, Yeah, that's the irony that
I have on my plate. Yeah, the DNA study stuff
is great, you know what a wonderful way to prove
an animal is real, it's amazing. We live in magical times.
But then they're going to go kill one because they
have to in a way, you know, to figure a
lot of things out about these things. So the irony, oh,
the irony, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be optimal to recover a recently
deceased sasquatch. That would be the best of all worlds,
you know, because that's.
Speaker 3: What I tell Like, I believe there's people that know
where a couple are buried, and I try to tell
them like, you know, you can be saving one it's
alive from getting shot if it turns if you know,
the kids on this body like where to get it,
you could be saving a live so you know, you'd
be a hero that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they would go get more. And really, at
the end of the day, proving the animals are real,
it's going to result in numerous sasquatch deaths because I think,
Bobo you said it too, like every university is going
to want one. Yeah, and of course they're not all
going to get one. It's not like every university has
gorilla corpses lying around or something like that. Well the home, well,
we're really not going to get Yeah, it's gonna be
very interesting to see how how how they you know,
how the chips lie. I guess after that one if
they end up being in our genus or even you know,
an nostrolopithesene or something, that's going to be very very
challenging on a lot of levels. You know, like how
far do human rights go? Do they have absolutely no
say in anything like you know, like bugs like or
something like like flies, or do they have human rights?
And of course I've mentioned before some forward thinking countries
off the top of my head, any thing Spain and Portugal,
but I think there's one in South America and be
s Ecuador, I remember, right, try and are trying to
kind of test the waters to see if they can
give apes and cetaceans, you know, whales and dolphins some
level of human rights, you know as self determinism or
basically leave them alone or that kind of stuff. So
it's going to be an interesting time, and that might
open the door to sasquatch being Homo in the genus
Homo might open the door for these other animals to
benefit from that as well. Like if they are the
sasquatches are granted some level of human rights, then there's
nothing really stopping you from grant chimpanzees or bonobos or
gorillas or rangetans some level or a similar level of
human rights. And I think that would be great. Honestly,
I don't see a problem in that, whatever human rights
means for a non human ape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would certainly hope that there is some sort
of discovery that does not necessitate that, But like we said,
I don't think that's possible. I think that will always
be necessitated. And like Bobo said, if even if someone
had buried one, depending on how old it is, if
all that was left were bones. I think someone will
still try to collect a specimen because then you without it,
you wouldn't learn about organs and organ sizes, and you know,
muscle tissue density and tenons, ligaments, this whole host of
other things that you would learn from a more intact
specimen with other soft tissues and things like that.
Speaker 3: So I think there'll be a big black market on
grabbing big foot parts, and I think I think people
still poach them, murder them, whatever you want to call it.
I think there's always any private collectors that want one,
you know, trying to capture a I want to you know,
it's going to go bad form. I think in a
lot of ways if they're discovered. Well.
Speaker 4: Darby pointed out to me, of course, that the biggest
danger to them as a pharmaceutical companies because they're so
similar to us, and we're potentially so similar to us,
and a lot of testing will want to be done
on them, which is unfortunate for them, of course. But
luckily Darby's already thinking about that and trying to figure
out a way to minimize that or to even stop
it from happening if possible. So yeah, another great reason
Darby's then excellent candidate for this kind of project is
because he's sinking ahead down all these potential avenues that
even if he even if it seems unlikely or almost
impossible in some ways, he's still thinking along those lines.
He's still traveling down those roads to see what the
outcome of that would be and doing thought experiments in
order to get ahead of the game in case the
unlikely does happen, you know. And of course proving sasquatches
as real animals is a fairly unlikely thing for most people,
so you kind of have to think about what's the
impossible thing that actually might happen, you know. And I
think that's why I am a full throated supporter of
Darby and his project out there. I think that with
enough support, he will get it done.
Speaker 3: Period. Hey, Delie's more support.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, But good things are happening. Good things are
happening out there. It's just happening so slowly, and I
suspect that the Bigfoot community will honestly just lose patience
at some point and like give up or throw their
hands in the air and despair or something like that,
and give up on Derby. But he'll still be there,
plugging through doing the real science that takes a very
very long time, moves at a glacial pace. But people
will lose hope and give up. But that's on them
for not being patient, and those kinds of people perhaps
shouldn't be in the big foot game anyway, because sasquatches
are sasquatching big footing in general, the number one prerequisite
for that is a huge amount of patients.
Speaker 3: Well, we understand your lack of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we would love to go so fast too,
But remember we've said it before. The longer his project takes,
the better. That means the more promising it is. If
it's done in two months, that means all the samples
that were submitted are easily identified. So the longer we
don't hear about things the better, which is crazy to
sound crazy to hear, but it's totally totally true.
Speaker 2: It is a good question, So thank you to the
of the listeners who've all submitted questions along those lines.
But I think that one was framed in such a
way that it was more interesting one to answer. But
I'm still wrestling with it. You know, what it reminds
me of a couple of things is because I have
gone back and forth with whether or not to contribute
to that, and I have tried to contribute to it,
and that I've changed positions on whether it's right, whether
it's wrong. There's great arguments for both.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: What I'm reminded of is that great does a Richard
Greenwell quote when someone had asked him do you think
that sasquatch exists? And he said on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays,
I'm certain that they exist. On Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturday,
I think it's all bullshit. And on Sundays I rest.
That's how I feel about like the pro killed no
kill thing. It's like, yeah, sometimes I'm certain like that
has to happen. You know, I didn't write the rules,
but those are the rules, and so I'm willing to
play by the rules. And then other days I think, man,
I certainly don't want any part of that. And then
other days I rest. And so maybe today is one
of those resting days, Sunday.
Speaker 4: But as you pointed out, I don't think we are
going to be asked anything about it at some point,
you know, I don't. I don't think I'm none of
us on this call. Here are the likely candidates for
a well organized scientific expedition to come to for help.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine like a summit between like multiple universities,
conservation organizations, and you know, the government, and they're putting
together a plan, but there's a missing piece and they're like,
if only we knew, And someone's.
Speaker 4: Like, call Cliff Bobo and prove it.
Speaker 3: No, I'll take care of it. No money, Thin're gonna
be on that panel.
Speaker 4: Who are these Johnny cum lately?
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of like above and beyond deep dives, I
got a great message from one of our members who
is a cultural anthropologist, who sent in a message sort
of in response to the discussion that we had doing
the deep dive on the Krantz paper about skeptics versus
believers and Krantz's take on the quote unquote scientific establishment
as he termed them, that I think would make really
good discussion for a member's episode whenever you guys are
ready to move to that side of the fence.
Speaker 4: Sounds good to me.
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Speaker 3: Hello Now doesn't sound better?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound pretty clear. Oh this is so good, dude,
I'm keeping all these.
Speaker 3: Ah man, all right, I'm ready to.
Speaker 4: Okay, so, bobes, why don't we do something. I'll say like,
I'm Cliff Barrickman. Then you can jump in, I'm Bobo
fire b dire Bat and then you can I don't know,
hit it back to me, and I can say, if
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you probably know us from finding Bigfoot, but that's over
and now we're doing this or something, and you can
you want to say something or what?
Speaker 3: Okay?
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Bigfoot Center. Right. Hello, everybody, I'm Cliff Berrickman, founder of
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you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3: But most importante of all is until next time, keep
it squatchy, or should I say, but it's really importante
to remember until next time, keep it squatchy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you. I don't know, I don't
know if I until next time part in Spanish, no no, no,
no no, I was thinking, just like, no matter what
you do, keep it squatchy, because until next time, until
next time. What you hear this advertisement because they didn't
exactly join us necessarily. You know, this isn't an episode.
This is just a radio blurb.
Speaker 3: Okay, So say so that when we're talking close.
Speaker 4: Something to the facts of like, no matter what you do,
keep it squatchy. Oh no, or something like that. You know,
above all else, the most important thing to remember here
is to keep it squatchy instead of next time.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll see. And most important of all is moue MOOI.
What's most moo MOOI importante above all else, keep it squatchy.
That's awkward, all right, that didn't flow. I mean I'll
try it. And above all and above all else, it's
moo MOOI importante to keep it squatchy. I dig it.
Speaker 4: I think we can make something out of that. Okay,
you go to Frank and bite the hell out of
that thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, Spaniela is in potable