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Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys

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are your favorites, so like to subscribe and read it.

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Speaker 2: Five star me gregous, one wish.

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Speaker 1: Today and listening watching.

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Speaker 2: Always keep its watching.

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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

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Speaker 4: Happy anniversary, the happy anniversary to you. You look lovely,

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seven year rich, nice and you're still with us. Yeah,

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and I'm still with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's with us.

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Speaker 2: One of our lovely members said it's amazing that you

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guys could record seven years worth of episodes since Bobo

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isn't alive, and so I just responded and said, necromancy.

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Speaker 4: The forbidden arts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Occasionally do hear that you're dead? Bobes? How's how's it

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going up there? Down there?

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Speaker 3: I probably contribute to those rumors by how I look

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some days, but they're still false.

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Speaker 4: They're still false to say Bobo is still not dead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say quite alive, but not dead either. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well we'll wait that one out. They'll be right eventually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then they can pull a Bobold say I've been

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saying that for years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm the one tired this time Cliff. I

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went out with bart last three nights in a row.

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Speaker 4: Now where'd you go?

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Speaker 3: We did the usual. We were up in the redwoods

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and dump into the meadows up there in the upper

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Hillaria and Thurman. We were just throwing and we hiked

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in a few spots and we drove out east. We

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went south of Sitting up into the bluff. I went

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to the opposite side of the climate down on that way,

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up in some high altitude ponds, getting some DNA samples

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for high school hearts a little project. Yeah, yeah, goes

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exactly as plan, but we got some samples.

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Speaker 4: What went sideways? Like why is this? You just had

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to go get some water, right o?

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Speaker 3: Well, the best place we were told to go this

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kind of more remote spot, the hiking spot. It's kind

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of like bushwacky and stuff. And they guys like it's

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like a mile mile and a half or something. And

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then we went in part of the way. We were

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looking on the on the just our phone GPS. We're

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like it's been like over an hour and we're like

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not even twenty like twenty percent of the way that

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there's no way this is a mile. It's like one

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of those classic oh, it's a mile. It is probably

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like three and a half or something like, going like

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up and down steeple. You know how there's out of

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those elevation games are it's all vertical and so yeah,

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from looking on the air, miles was like a couple

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of miles, but going up and down and all that

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and climbing over down trees and it was pretty slow going.

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But we got some of our samples. Oh, we got some.

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We got some decent ones.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good, good, Well, hopefully something comes of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful though. It was nice. A couple of mosquitos,

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Like we're just one spot in this big meadow, and

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we thought, man, we're gonna get just swarm like it

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was marshy and stuff and a lot of standing water.

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We're excuse me, so bad? And no, we got pretty

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lucky again, I thought for sure. Then during the day,

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like you hear a ton of insects buzzing around like

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horsewives and bees and wasps, and not one landed on

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me the whole morning we were there.

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Speaker 4: It must be in your diet.

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Speaker 3: You don't know what it was, but it was. It

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was amazing to not be the focus of every insect

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annoyance and bite. I'm just swarm. But they left me

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alone this time, so I was pretty stoked.

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Speaker 4: But no big foot activity or anything.

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Speaker 3: No, we didn't hear any nothing. It was dead. We

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were in great spots at the right time of the

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year and just it was quiet.

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Speaker 4: M okay, And how did you hear about that the

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water that you were you were sent to?

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he knew a pond out there. He said, like it's

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a it's it's let's see how big it Some people

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than a it's not a lake, it's it's a pond,

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upper headwaters area or some major creeks come out that

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are like really known those creeks from on hot spots

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of the same general area up there, this headwaters areas

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we were up and that that's where we were at.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's cool.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 4: So three nights out with bar that's a treasure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as Arm gave out, yes, he has to go

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to the doctor. He pitched the nerve in his neck

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from like like turning his head out the window, like

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looking out the window all the time we were doing

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driving them like we did some hiking and you know,

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cruising around, hiking and stuff. And then last night we

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were driving went through the Bald Hills and you know,

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down ninety six and some logging roads. And in two

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weeks it's my twenty fifth anniversary of my first sighting

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whoa that was in May, so it was the right

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time you here to be up there. We went by

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my old sighting spot. But it was just we got

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out and listened for a while, you know, not long,

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maybe a half hour, but did were we were camp.

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We had no no accident at the camp either. There

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was tons of we're we found a great metal. It

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was like Barson was the most antal life you've ever

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seen in northern California. In one spot.

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Speaker 4: What kind of animals deer, elk.

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Speaker 3: Bears, I mean, like ray because it's rare see raccoons anymore.

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There was some a couple of raccoons out there. I

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can never see us things out there because there's so

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many mountain lines of bobcats. But I saw a couple

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of those. And then yeah, the bear to the bear

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I saw a bear before the sun went down, ran

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in front of me driving up there, and it looked

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like it was October. Like it looked like it just

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come from the grooms. It was fat, and it was

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at least three hundred and fifty pounds or maybe three

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seventy five pushing four in that area, like it was big. Yeah,

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it just looked beautiful. It was healthy, like shiny coat, thick,

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full coat. It did not look like a spring bear

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out all the way. Looked well fed into the year bear.

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Speaker 4: There's probably a lot of food out there right now,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We were like it above four thousand feet,

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five thousand feet up to six thousand feet and there

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Speaker 4: Wow, Well that's good to know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wide open. They were gonna get a sample

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at fish Lake, but it was closed. My buddy, I

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talk about buddy, He's like, oh, yeah, I just know

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last week it was killer blah blah blahs this and that,

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and so yeah, we're going to get a sample. And

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then you didn't tell that they it was locked and

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they had to sneak in ride their mountain bikes for

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like five miles from the gate.

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Speaker 4: Now, is that really sneaking in because aren't you allowed

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to be in there? It's just so you can't drive.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I think you can walk

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think any of those lakes, Blue Lake

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never seen that lake, but man, I bet, I bet

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that's a pretty good area in there. Blue Lake, I

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know a couple of years ago turned out like three

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sidings or something in one summer. And then Fish Lake

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has always been good, and so that one that no

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one goes to, well it's got to be.

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Speaker 3: Good too, right, Oh yeah, just makes sense. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I did the Ohio Conferences this past weekend, which is,

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of course, is always great. Mark knows the gig. He

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always sells out, and there's always vendors and there's always people,

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and so that was a fun event, although I will

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say I did not have fun getting home. I stayed

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till Monday. Mark the organizer, drove me to Cleveland, which

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is a couple hours. You dropped me off at the

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airport for my like seven thirty flight or something, and

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I was supposed to hop over like an hour plus

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slightly over an hour flight to Chicago, where I was

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going to catch the last flight of the day to

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Portland that left at nine thirty that i'd be home

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in Portland at midnight or something like that. Well, apparently

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the weather didn't want to cooperate and it shut down

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the Chicago airport pretty much, so no flights were coming

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in and very few were getting out. So my plight

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was delayed. So by the time I got to Chicago,

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it was about midnight or midnight thirty that night on Monday,

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so I obviously missed the last flight to Portland. It

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was also delayed, but it did eventually get out, but

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I missed it because I was not there. And so

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I was put on the next flight out, which was

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the first flight in the morning, and I got the

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last seat, which of course is a middle seat on

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the plane that left at ten o'clock in the morning.

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of Chicago from about twelve thirty at night until ten

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am the next morning. And so I finally got home

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on Tuesday at about one thirty, and I hadn't slept

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since Sunday night Monday morning, when I woke up at

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like seven or whatever to go get breakfast still at

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Salfork State Lodge. So I didn't sleep for a long time,

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and so I got home and took a nap that

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ended up being six hours. I woke up and had dinner.

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Speaker 3: Really nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think tonight I'm gonna put myself to

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bed early and wake up tomorrow and get some stuff

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Speaker 3: But listen, not Richo's scary story tonight.

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Speaker 4: I suppose, well, you know, she always falls asleep to

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the soothing sounds of historical tornadoes, you know, So so

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I like, she'll be dead asleep and I'll go in

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like a midnight or whatever, because she goes to bed

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much earlier, and she's listening to like YouTube rebroadcasts of

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deadly tornadoes then.

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Speaker 3: Like the weather guys talking about it both both.

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Speaker 4: It's like, if you're in Jackson, Mississippi, you need to

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take cover now right now. Everything's and she's like just

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sleeping peacefully it's like you need to get in and

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it's like this, oh, this is a Tuscaloosa tornado from

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blah blah blah blah blah, Like she has knows all

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the dates and stuff, but she's she's listening to this stuff.

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This is devastation. Everything's destroyed. You need the fine shelter

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now now, and and then like she's just sleeping mother

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Nature's greatest hits. Yeah, your wife might be a little

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weird club, I know, I know, she's adorable. Yeah, she's

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the best.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty funny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, between that and her haunting clothes and waving at

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dogs and whatever else said what all the other you

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know things that she does. I can't imagine being, you know,

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married to someone who's normal.

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Speaker 3: It'd be hard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd be hard for me. I'm so used to it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 2: Sod. You meet a lot of listeners at the Ohio conference.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like the regulars are out there

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and I can't rememberybody's name.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know, you read the winners of the

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raffle we did or the whatever the prize thing we had.

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Speaker 4: For those No, no, no, they never identified themselves, so

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I don't know who they are or if they did,

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I don't remember. Yeah, so, but it was a good conference.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 4: I did my presentation on doctor Meldrum's nineteen ninety six

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five points trackway. There's a little tip of the hat

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to our good friend Jeff instead of my regular look

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at what look what we've been doing at the NABC

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All Year presentation, which is what I've been normally doing.

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good friend doctor Meldrum.

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Speaker 3: Was the the most cool thing you found in his files?

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Speaker 4: In his files? Hmmm, that's a good question. I haven't

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been out there too much lately. Well, you know what,

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I guess one of the coolest things I've done lately

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with the with the Meldrum material is I And actually

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I guess I was gonna it's gonna surprise you guys

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with this, but I don't think I'm going to now see,

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so maybe back up a bit, because I think I

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mentioned on the podcast real soon. I think I'm going

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to start Saturday, I'm going to start the sale of

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the Tipmos collection from the Willow Creek Museum with their permission,

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of course, because I would never do it otherwise, the

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North American big Foot Center, my museum is going to

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be selling Bob Tipmos's footprint casts and taught the permission, yeah,

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copies of them, of course, and with the permission of

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the Willow Creek Museum, and a significant percentage of every

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sale will go to that museum. They will be making

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money by doing this. But because of that, I'm I

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probably need to go down at some point and make

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make a couple molds, right, But making a mold with

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latex takes like a week, so I can't do that.

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in one day. And that is dependent upon a type

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of silicone rubber that you can use. And there's two

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different varieties. One sets up in about a half hour hour.

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that that.

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Speaker 4: The longer one works a little bit better because it's

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a harder silicone and the mold will last longer.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I can likely do probably one hundred or a couple

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hundred poles of casts from them, whereas the shorter duration one. Yeah,

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I can do some good quality poles, but eventually it's

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going to start tearing and stuff, and eventually both of

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them will. But this the the shorter curate curating one

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curing one rather would would kind of break down first,

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you know. But I'm doing experiments with those. So what

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I did is I went into the Meldrum Collection and

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I actually the Blue Mountain Collection specifically, and I was

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looking for a cast of interest that had never been copied.

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five or four at the Double Check actually, but I

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found an original cast from the Blue Mountain Collection, and

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I made a mold out of both of these kinds

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of soilicones of the same individual cast. So I have

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two casts, now, I'm sorry, two molds of the same

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cast that had never ever been copied before. And so

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to see if different solicones produced different qualities of casts,

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you know what I mean, and just kind of get

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a feel of both of them. So but because of that,

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what am I going to do with these casts? I

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could always put them in the stock at the NABC,

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but we're going to have so many new casts soon.

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But this cast is from John Manzinsky.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, what you got my chist's cast?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought that was.

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Speaker 4: That's that's what I'm going to say. So I'm Matt

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and Bobo. You will both be receiving a cast, first

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gen cast from John's cast in the mail in the

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next couple of weeks. Here, I just got to get

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a ford.

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Speaker 3: That's exciting, dude. That's that's that's I couldn't there's not

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a cast on a lot more than that.

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Speaker 4: It's a pretty cool one. Additionally, it is also of

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the same individual that was filmed in Paul Freeman's video

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in nineteen ninety two. It's that individual. It's the same

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animal that Doctor Meldrum cast. It's the same animal that

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was filmed we had d Duck Springs by Paul. It's

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the same animal that was filmed in Green Peak too

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earlier that same year that that footage was never really

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publicly released because it's so terrible. But it's the same animal.

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So pretty exciting. So you guys will be receiving one

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of these after I get my act together, and it'll

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take me a week or two, so that gives you

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guys plenty of time to forget about it. So it'll

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be a surprise when it arrives on the math.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure so. I guess that's the newest thing that

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is kind of cool that came out of the Meldrum

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collection is that cast was now copied and I'm doing

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experiments with the silicone in order to copy some Willow

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Creek casts and you guys get to benefit from it.

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Speaker 3: Very much appreciated. I'm Jeff and Cliff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yellow, and the hair samples are starting to flow

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out the door and out to Darby too, so the

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Meldrum hair samples that he had been sitting on all

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these years, so that'll be going too. So lots of

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things are happening as always, because that's what happens in

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bigfoot Land, unless you're on the Internet, which case nothing happens.

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He just bark at each other all day long. But

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if you're actually out doing Bigfoot stuff, it turns out

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a lot happens. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

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with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of like being out in the real world,

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I spoke at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Festival this last

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weekend and hadn't gotten to talk to you guys since then,

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but met a lot of our listeners. I felt like

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I did my Karmick good deed by reconnecting Bobo and

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the Turtle Man.

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Speaker 3: You guys. I love that guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh he was great and he was very excited to

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get to chat with you again, Bobo. But I did

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meet a lot of awesome listeners, So thanks y'all for

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coming out and saying hello. And I did hear a

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story that was meant for all three of us, but

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obviously I was the only one there. So I'm telling

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you guys this. So I hope this listener doesn't mind.

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Speaker 3: Me telling you this.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she would, because I think she wanted

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us to know and it meant a lot to me.

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But a woman had come up to get a copy

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of the book and told me that she'd been a

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longtime listener. She had said, I'd love to tell you

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my story, but I think I would cry. And at

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first I thought she meant like an intense sasquatch story,

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So I said, oh, did you have an encounter and

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she said, well no, she said my mother had sounded

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like an intense battle with cancer, and she said, so

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I would drive her to and from Chemotherapy, and it

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was kind of a long drive. And she said, my

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mother was also very skeptical about the Sasquatch thing. And

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so she said, you three guys were our writing companions

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on those drives to and from Chemotherapy. And she said,

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not only did you keep us entertained and make us

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laugh and we really bonded over that, but you also

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made quite a believer my mom. And so she said,

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I just wanted to meet you and tell you thank

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you for that, and she was emotional. It made me

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very emotional, and I said, I will make sure to

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let Cliff and Bobo know that as well, because that's

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the sort of thing that makes it all worthwhile in

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my opinion. You know, it was. It was very nice,

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but it was a great event meta, Like I said,

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a lot of cool listeners hung out with the Mountain Monsters.

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Speaker 3: Guys. That was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: And Lee and Jennifer and Russ and Maria and again

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encountered the Turtleman and watched him light up when he

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got would He said, give me Bobo's phone number, and

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so I give it to him, and he started calling

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right there, and I was thinking, once again, like please answer,

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Please answer, because Bobo does not always answer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he answered, he had the same he had the

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same number. He reverted back to an old number he

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had that he wasn't using for years, and then it

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all sudden knows that one popped up. I filling my

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phone from his old number.

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Speaker 4: I'm surprised he has a phone at all, kind of

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it was a flip phone. I saw it with my

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own eyes. So no apps on that phone. No, So

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the phones are for a calling.

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Speaker 3: That was great here. It was great to talk to

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the turtle man. I haven't talked to like a year,

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year and a half. He can do that, he can

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do that thing. What's it called? What do they call that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I guess that would be like what was the name

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of the show Kry of the Turtleman or something.

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Speaker 2: Was I think it was call of the wild Man. Oh,

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there you go.

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Speaker 4: That has to be what it's called, right, they call

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the wild Man. We should try to get recordings or

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short videos of you know Ernie like Turtleman or you

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know wild Bill and people like that making pigeon noises.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh turtle I can do you know, I can

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imitate everything.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah, he's really he's like a sasquatching.

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Can make anything if you want me to do.

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Speaker 3: I can do a.

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Speaker 4: Yeah Southern man tail, a mourning dove, yeah, et cetera,

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et cetera. Oh, you know, on the plane ride out

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to Ohio, bobs Well, I had a sign Peter burn book.

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I had an extra, so I brought it to the

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conference and see if anybody would want to get it.

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And so I was reading that on the the flight

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out because I haven't read Petersburg book in a long,

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long time. In a long time. Yeah, it was interesting,

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kind of dipping back into that a little bit. And

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it was kind of odd in some ways how he

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wouldn't even write people's names down when he was clearly

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talking about them and talking smack about Renee de Hindon

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and John Green at those guys, he wouldn't. He said,

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the journalist and the lead scavenger, that's what he called them,

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the lead scavenger, a moneymaker. Yeah, super funny. But you

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know he did comments about him, and he and Dennis

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Jensen discovered a nest up in the General Bluff Creek

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area or wherever Red Cap. Yeah, on Red Cap Yeah,

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about halfway down Red Cap Creek, he said. And I

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thought you might find that out of interest since I.

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Speaker 3: Knew that's that's where that property was. I thought he

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lived all where I had a lot of stuff happened

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was Red Cap Creek.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so I read that. I've made a note

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to try to remember to tell you about it.

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Speaker 3: So I hucked out there. What they said it was.

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They said there were seven to nine miles up. It's

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so far up there.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a long ways, even if it's accurate,

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you know, if that estimate is accurate, because people are

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just terrible at distances, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So what do we got on the plate today?

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Speaker 2: Prout as of last week, on the fifth, did mark

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our seven year anniversary. I made a little post for

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the social media's and there was a ton of great feedback,

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which I thought was awesome because you know, seven years,

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it's like it's not quite a decade or something, but

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it's still a long time. And so I was amazed

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at all the stuff people were sending in, and so

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for members, I was like, I got to find something

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to celebrate this momentous day. And ever since the beginning,

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like I've saved everything we've ever done, just all the

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raw files, all the raw tracks, every edit, every mix.

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So I went into our very first and you know,

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maybe I can put some of that in here, maybe

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not all of it, but for the listening pleasure of

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the regular listeners. But I do have our very first

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test call. We said, well, maybe we'll try this with

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Skype and you guys had you as microphones. I was like, well,

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let's just hop on a call and record it. Make

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sure everything works and everyone's levels are set, because back

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then we didn't have individual tracks, so I couldn't make

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anyone louder or quieter. We just had to do that live.

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And so I went and dug up that first test

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call we did, which was pretty funny. There's a lot

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of interesting discussion in there, like here's some trivia for

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you who came up with the name of the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I think I did.

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Speaker 2: You are correct sir. There's a great little discussion in

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there where Cliff's like, hey, you know, changing gears a

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little bit. First of all, the conversation starts with this

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segment about the discovery of Sergio, so.

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Speaker 4: Bob, what the world's going on with parakeets?

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Speaker 3: Man?

474
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Speaker 5: I just heard that one word, My jack ass neighbor

475
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,920
keeps buying parakeets and they keeps dying. And it was

476
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like thirty seven degrees up. I needed an insulated house.

477
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Speaker 4: And I had to get in there and say so

478
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,759
she had to break into the house to save parakeets. Yeah,

479
00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:01,240
how did you break into the house the back so

480
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,279
the back doors open or do you just window back window? Okay? So, wow,

481
00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:10,720
you're climbing through some windows today. Rough. And so when

482
00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:12,880
you found the parakeet, what condition was it in?

483
00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 3: It looked pretty bummed out?

484
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 4: Really, like how could you tell?

485
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 3: It was super like like ruffled up and it was shivering?

486
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 4: Oh, tropical birds.

487
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

488
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 2: Then it pivots to this section where Cliff says, we

489
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need to figure out a name.

490
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:31,759
Speaker 4: Oh, I was gonna change paragraphs to the name of

491
00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:32,200
the show.

492
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,039
Speaker 3: Okay, Bigfoot and beyond Bigfoot and beyond. Okay, you think

493
00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:40,480
that sounds good? Yeah? I think so.

494
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely think so, because there's like a little

495
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,480
bit different connotation of like the show is predicated on Bigfoot,

496
00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:51,960
but there's more Bigfoot and more like an emporium or

497
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,759
something like that, you know, and it's it sticks with

498
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,559
the alliteration, which is cool. Yeah, I'll go right now

499
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,240
and register the Twitter, Instagram, to Facebook.

500
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Speaker 4: Although you know what, I really like the Biff and

501
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,200
Clobo Show.

502
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: And so Bobo, you were the one who said I've

503
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,359
been thinking about Bigfoot and beyond, so kudos said, I

504
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,359
did not remember. I thought I knew it was one

505
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,119
of you two. But I was like, oh, we give

506
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,240
Bobo credit for that. And then who introduced the idea

507
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:25,559
of Bobo's story time yew Indeed, Bobo's got a good

508
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:28,240
memory because I was like, oh, man, I said, you

509
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:30,799
know what's funny is like Emily and I were sitting around,

510
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,119
we always talk about this Kenny Loggin story. You told

511
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,039
us you got to tell that and other stories like

512
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that on the podcast. People would love that. So there

513
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,039
were like these great moments in there. And then I

514
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:42,319
also put up this segment that I'll leave up for

515
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,839
the pigeon, so if you want to hear it, maybe

516
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,640
you become a pigeon. But us trying to when we

517
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first got in the iHeartRadio network, they wanted us to

518
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,920
come up with a sixty second promo and a thirty

519
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,160
second so I was like, oh, well, I'll cut one

520
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,039
that will be sixty seconds, and one that will be

521
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,559
thirty seconds. And we none of us had ever done

522
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anything that before. I didn't write any kind of script,

523
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:04,599
so we had like loose ideas and it took us

524
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,440
about twenty five minutes to come up with sixty seconds

525
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:12,519
of promo content. And it is very very funny to

526
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,680
hear us trying to make that happen. So if you

527
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,279
are not a pigeon, that might be worth the price

528
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:19,079
I've admission.

529
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Speaker 4: Yeah, where all the new listeners. Of course, a pigeon

530
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,720
means you are a member of our podcast, and that's

531
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five dollars a month, and you get this episode completely

532
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:31,000
ad free, as well as a bonus episode with no

533
00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:33,400
ads in it every single week, so at extra hour

534
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,319
content and some other extra cool things too, like pictures

535
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,559
of things we talk about on the podcast and links

536
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:42,480
to various things we talk about and that kind of stuff.

537
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,480
I think Matt is a really good job creating the

538
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:46,799
experience for the listeners over there, for the members.

539
00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:50,559
Speaker 3: Or you can just have all commercials and cut us out.

540
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:51,960
Either way you want it.

541
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah we don't offer that. Yeah we should offer

542
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,720
that for a higher level. Yeah, just commercials. It'd be

543
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,799
like the people who love the Super Bowl, you know,

544
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,079
for the commercials. That's a great idea commercial television. I

545
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:07,119
guess that's what that really means.

546
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it definitely does not

547
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,519
feel like it's been seven years. And this will be

548
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:15,240
as this comes out. This is episode three hundred and

549
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,160
sixty six.

550
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Speaker 4: Ooh, order three sixty six.

551
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Speaker 2: So part of me is like, when I hear those

552
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,880
old skype conversations like that test call and everything that

553
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,880
the listeners just heard, I went and remastered those because,

554
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,000
like I said, we recorded those with skypes. So part

555
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:32,400
of me is like, oh, maybe I should go back

556
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,480
and do that with some of the older ones for

557
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,559
you know, we did re releases for I don't know year,

558
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,039
year and a half, and I've re released a whole

559
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:41,880
lot of things. But maybe we should get back into

560
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,799
that habit, like remaster some of the old ones or

561
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:47,079
even maybe re edit some because man, those early calls,

562
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,119
when I was listening back to them, there was one

563
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segment that was like our first attempt at a premiere episode,

564
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:56,960
and that first attempt at it is like three and

565
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,720
a half hours long and it's mostly jump. I think

566
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:02,680
I kept I think I kept about I don't know,

567
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:04,559
forty five minutes or an hour of it, and then

568
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:07,720
we did another session to make up the next fifteen

569
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,240
to thirty minutes or something like that. So it's just

570
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:14,000
so funny to listen to the awkwardness of trying to

571
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,079
get our feet underneath us just to have conversations in

572
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,519
the public space. So anyway, I think some of that

573
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:20,880
stuff would be good to put out here on the

574
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,720
main feed, and obviously the juicier stuff we can put

575
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,400
out for the membership because then it doesn't have to

576
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be as bleeped.

577
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, another benefit of being a member less bleeps.

578
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:38,880
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

579
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,880
Will be right back after these messages.

580
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: So one of the things I thought we could talk

581
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,160
about for today's episode because we do these above and

582
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:55,160
Beyond discussions because certain listener Q and A submissions tend

583
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,160
to touch on the same topic so often, And one

584
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,400
of the topics that people ask about a lot is

585
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,960
the concept of collecting a specimen. You know, obviously a

586
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:08,079
specimen is required, but it seems like the most expedient

587
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,240
way to get the largest sample of a sasquatch would

588
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:14,839
be to dispatch a living one, and that's been a

589
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,799
contentious issue and hotly debated for many decades now, and

590
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,240
one of the most recent submissions along those lines asked,

591
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:27,200
if you guys, for example, were asked to team up

592
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,000
with professionals, whether they were scientists, military teams, etc. To

593
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:33,559
acquire a specimen, would that even be something that you

594
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,519
would be interested in doing? And the listener says, just

595
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,839
to clarify, I don't mean you are pulling the trigger,

596
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but I mean that you would help someone do that

597
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,640
in order to further the knowledge and facilitate the discovery

598
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:46,960
of the species. So I thought maybe that would be

599
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:49,880
a topic worth touching on since so many people ask

600
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,920
about it so frequently.

601
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've had that daydream so many times,

602
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,039
Like I'm holding the gun and the things right there,

603
00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:58,799
it starts walking away. I could just shoot it in

604
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:00,200
the back. And it's not like a giant I want.

605
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,279
It's a small one, so I know, it's like shooting

606
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,000
a ten foot or like twelve hundred pounds. I think

607
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,480
the bulls is going to make it mad, like sometimes manageable,

608
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,519
you know, like the ones I seen that are smaller

609
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,119
than me. It's like you you shoot one of those,

610
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,559
and you know, have the game over, and then I

611
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,119
just think about it, like now I could not limit myself.

612
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,680
I did that. Well.

613
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Speaker 4: Now, the person who posed the question specifically said, you

614
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,680
wouldn't have to pull the trigger, So would you help

615
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,160
otherwise if you didn't have to be the person on

616
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the gun.

617
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't like get in the way like like you know,

618
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,519
like those hunting protesters. I wouldn't do something like that.

619
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But I don't think. I don't think i'd go out there.

620
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,039
I mean I wouldn't know. I mean, I wouldn't fault

621
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,079
anyone that did, but I'm not going to do it.

622
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,039
Speaker 4: You wouldn't go hand handcuff yourself to the sasquatch and

623
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:52,440
say not I'm my watch my sasquatch. Change your name

624
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,519
to butterfly, and go go live on the shoulders of

625
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,240
the sasquatch and never come down.

626
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,359
Speaker 3: I think the great plug listen there right there, Paul

627
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,200
Gray song, Bigfoot and Butterflies.

628
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:06,799
Speaker 4: That wasn't Butterfly The name of that woman who lived

629
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:08,720
on top of that redwood tree for like a year,

630
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,799
Julia Butterfly. Yeah, there you go. I thought I thought

631
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,880
that I remembered that correctly. You could do the same

632
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,799
thing in the Sasquatch.

633
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

634
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I climb on its back and just grab the

635
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,559
hair and not come. I'm not coming down.

636
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,359
Speaker 3: Getting diggyback road all over the forest.

637
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm doing this to protect the Sasquatch.

638
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,839
Speaker 3: I read a really good setting their day, something like

639
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:35,799
old some old journal or something, but it was Canadian

640
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:40,799
woman talking about her mom had seen a bigfoot step out,

641
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:43,720
real fat like they came up on it and it

642
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:46,839
was a bigfoot playing like in the creek and the

643
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,279
mother was off to the side. There was another big

644
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,480
one like in the brush somewhere, and the as soon

645
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,559
as the sausage came where there was people right there.

646
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,200
It's just really swiftly jumped down so fast, like popped up,

647
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,319
jumped down with the The baby was a small one

648
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,160
and it was one motion, just scooped in with its

649
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,279
hand and like flung it up on its back and

650
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,359
they were just grabbed onto its hair and the mother

651
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,160
took off like through the brush with the baby just

652
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,079
hanging on like a baby chimp or something like.

653
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: A baby bobo.

654
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: Like she said, just sit. It looked like totally rehearsed,

655
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,799
like they'd done it like they'd practice a thousand times

656
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:23,240
where she just flung it on her back from one motion,

657
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,119
like just like a basketball player putting the ball behind

658
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,240
their back, like they're gonna go behind their back. It

659
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,400
just flicked it up in the air and it just

660
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,039
latched on like a bell. Crow just hung on the

661
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,400
female just shoot. The female didn't hold it at all.

662
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,519
It just baby held on with his own hands and

663
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,039
just did no support. It was just on for the ride.

664
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She took off of the brush.

665
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Speaker 4: That's cool. And where was this report from Canada?

666
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: Somewhere like Ontario? I think gotcha? Gotcha?

667
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: Well, getting back to the question of would we help

668
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,759
in any way, I think it would be hypocritical if

669
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,880
I said no, that I wouldn't help, because I'm doing

670
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,319
everything I can to help Darby or cut in his study,

671
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:07,160
because I really, sincerely think that Darby has a very

672
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,839
reasonable chance of proving this thing, and really he's the

673
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,319
only game in town. There's nobody else, really, I think,

674
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,319
with the capability at this point to really do it

675
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,519
well and do it right in an expedient matter. And

676
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:20,759
since and now Darby is not trying to kill anything,

677
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,759
mind you, I want to make that very very clear.

678
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,640
Darby's study will not end up with going out with

679
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,599
guns and obtaining a type specimen. A holo type is

680
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,960
not going to happen through Darby's study. But if Darby

681
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:38,319
or anyone anyone is successful at showing that these things

682
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:43,880
are out there, one will be collected eventually. There's no

683
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,720
other way around it, because just even if they prove

684
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,839
the species through DNA, they still will go out and

685
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,079
collect a dead one at some point. So it would

686
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:58,160
be hypocritical to say they should be proven as real

687
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,279
and then but one should never ever be killed, because

688
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:04,960
it will it will happen. If you are advocating for

689
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,720
proving sasquatches as real animals, then essentially you will well,

690
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:14,319
they will go out and get one. They're going to

691
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,200
kill one at some point. And since I do advocate

692
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,480
for academic acceptance of the sasquatch, I can't say that

693
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:23,799
they shouldn't kill one. I'm not going to kill one.

694
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,119
I wouldn't kill an eight either, you know, I wouldn't

695
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,279
kill any like a gorilla or something like that. I'm

696
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,960
just not that kind of guy. I just don't do that.

697
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:35,799
But I fully recognize that science will do that, and

698
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,079
I think that proving them, thus getting their habitat and

699
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,000
the animals and species themselves protected, is important enough that

700
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,720
I think it might be worth it, But I don't know.

701
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,599
That's our way up to me anyway. I didn't write

702
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,200
the rules, as Matt Pruitt said one time, I didn't

703
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,160
write the rules. But that's what science does. So it

704
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,880
would be hypocritical to say that if I would never

705
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,359
help somebody doing that, because if you're working towards the

706
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,000
proving of the species, you are paving the way for

707
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:06,839
that to happen at the end of the day.

708
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just I mean, it's more like if there's

709
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:11,759
like a like a really crappy one, Like I mean,

710
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:13,680
we know that that there's some bigfoots that have killed people,

711
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,240
especially up in Alaska and places like that. Do you

712
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:18,480
get one it's known like to be like a you know,

713
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,960
quote unquote bad one. You know, it's taking people out.

714
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,079
I wouldn't have any problem going to harveston one of those.

715
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: In terms of the question, I mean, it would be

716
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,759
hypocritical for me to say no, because obviously I was

717
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,799
a part of an effort to do exactly that for

718
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:38,720
seven years, and through that effort, you know, my opinions changed.

719
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,160
I think in the early days, I was definitely staunchly

720
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,279
against it, likely just for very emotional reasons and not

721
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,599
necessarily for very logical reasons. I also was really convinced

722
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:51,839
that like, oh no, it's we're so close to having

723
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,039
discovery happen that that's not necessary, and that to your

724
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,640
earlier point, Cliff, that like, yeah, that'll happen eventually, that

725
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,480
you know, once discovery or you know, pre discovery, whatever

726
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,720
the case may be, happens through some DNA or high

727
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,519
quality multimedia evidence or some combination of both, that that

728
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,239
will eventually happen. But then obviously, after years of waiting

729
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,239
and seeing, like, no, that does not seem like it's

730
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,719
going to happen, at least not the way we originally envisioned.

731
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,760
The fact that the North American Wood Ape Conservancy was

732
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,960
already engaged in that endeavor I sort of thought, and

733
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,119
I thought they were doing great work beyond just attempting

734
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,079
to collect a specimen, just there are other approaches to

735
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:29,719
field research.

736
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: You know.

737
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,519
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a part of that, and I

738
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,199
knew signing up that that was a part of it. Now,

739
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,079
I wasn't a shooter, you know, I didn't carry a

740
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,679
long gun. I wasn't ever in a position to do that.

741
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,599
But I was on teams that were equipped and prepared

742
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,960
to do so, and made for some interesting days and nights,

743
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,119
that's for sure. And so I've been in that situation

744
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,480
and run every imaginable scenario. But I'll tell you in

745
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,719
the aftermath of all that, I don't think that that

746
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:02,039
is an endeavor for this citizen scientist or the citizens

747
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,559
scientist research group or organization. I think it will require resources,

748
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:11,239
a tremendous amount of resources, and probably not for the

749
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,559
reasons that people think when they hear this. So maybe

750
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,079
I'll spare that or save it for a different conversation.

751
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,519
But in terms of to the question, if it was

752
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,360
you know, a group of scientists, if it was being

753
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,679
carried out by a professional organization or an academic organization

754
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,559
or some sort of like institutional effort with the resources

755
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,480
that we're going to do things as morally, ethically, legally

756
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,599
as possible, and they said, hey, would you help provide

757
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:41,280
information or whatever the assistance guidance?

758
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: Who knows?

759
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,119
Speaker 2: Then I think in that case it would you'd have

760
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,159
to wrestle with like, well, they're going to do this

761
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,119
with or without me, I can I contribute in a

762
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:55,800
way that helps make this happen legally, ethically, morally, And

763
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,599
it's it's a conundrum because as much as I know

764
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,320
it's required, you know, I see you know, fictional movies

765
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,920
with you know, animals getting killed and get just as

766
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,400
sad as anybody else into that think, Oh man, I'm

767
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,480
such a softie because I am a huge animal lover

768
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,679
whether sasquatches are more human like or more animal like.

769
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,199
And know I'm not trying to get into that debate,

770
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,679
but just the thought of taking a live But then,

771
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,920
on the flip side, people have made and will make

772
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,039
and could continue to make the argument that animals that

773
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,239
are apex predators that don't die at the hands of

774
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,920
something else, they die pretty slow, agonizing deaths, And so

775
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,719
is that going to result in more suffering than something

776
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,320
that's immediately lethal? Then you asked a question like, what

777
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,519
are the chances that someone will actually be able to

778
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,360
successfully make a lethal shot and just immediately dispatch an animal?

779
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,079
You know, I won't tell the story here because it

780
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:51,880
might be a little too gruesome, but I have a

781
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,159
friend in law enforcement who had a colleague a partner

782
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,960
in law enforcement that had to put down a live gorilla,

783
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,320
a male but I think weighed about two hundred and

784
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,119
fifty pounds and it took three rounds from a three

785
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,119
seventy five h and h to do it. Wow, And

786
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,639
he was one in the face, one in the chest,

787
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,119
and one in the spine. The face shot was a

788
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,960
jaw shot. But he had said to me. He was

789
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,880
the person who had said to me, he said, Hey,

790
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:21,119
I don't think anyone's just going to drop a sasquatch.

791
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,719
And he said, and here's why, and he related the

792
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,440
details of that story, and it was like, yeah, if

793
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,079
you think one's going to just show up and that

794
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,199
you can fire around at it and it's just going

795
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,679
to drop dead, he said, you're crazy. It's going to

796
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,840
run and who knows. It might run a mile, it

797
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,400
might run six miles. You have no idea. And that

798
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:42,960
would be to me, the worst case scenario is that

799
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:47,079
you fatally wound an animal but it's unrecoverable. So you've

800
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,440
wounded it. Now it's suffering and it's gone, and you

801
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:53,360
don't recover it. It makes no contribution to the discovery

802
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,920
of the species and the conservation of their habitat or

803
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,159
the protection of their habitat, and so it's so there

804
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,719
are so many variables and confounding variables and things that

805
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,360
it's like, I just don't really want to be any

806
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,039
part of that sort of thing. But at the same time,

807
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:13,840
if it were a real institutional effort with all the

808
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,440
resources that could actually pull something off again ethically, morally, legally,

809
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:25,119
safely for all parties, involved absolute reduction, hopefully to zero

810
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,800
suffering for the Sasquatch, then it would be hard to

811
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,119
say that you wouldn't want to see that happen if

812
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:37,400
it would mean that the outcome was positive for Sasquatches

813
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,440
as a whole. But it's so hard, man, Like, I

814
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:41,119
think it would be heartbreaking to see.

815
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

816
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: I really don't That's my honest answer, is like, I

817
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:44,719
don't know.

818
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, good answer.

819
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,119
Speaker 4: I think I don't know as a great answer, and

820
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,440
far too few people give it when that's the truth.

821
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,599
Speaker 2: I would like to think that that no organization would

822
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,880
have any need of, you know, lowly podcasting guitar player

823
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:05,079
Bigfoot nerd Matt Pruitt to weigh in on that decision.

824
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,360
So I don't think that's a problem. I'll ever have

825
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,880
to run into in real life. But nonetheless, like that's

826
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,880
a it is a it is a good question. We

827
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,920
get so many questions about that, and I've been swayed

828
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,159
by both sides of the argument so many times. And

829
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:24,000
you know, that was a major reason for the I

830
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,840
think it's some of the early divide among the Four Horsemen,

831
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,440
among many reasons, but that was one of the big ones.

832
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,519
I'll have to find There's a clip of John Green

833
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:36,880
renee to Hendon, and Robert Morgan sitting at like a watch. Yeah,

834
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,000
they're like sitting at a picnic table debating and they're

835
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,679
all making good points. You know, they're all Green had

836
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,400
a very staunch position at that time. Dehindon was still

837
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,239
very you know, quote unquote pro killed. I think those

838
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,039
those terms are so silly, like pro killed, no kill,

839
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,760
Like no one wants to kill an animal. The question

840
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,840
is like, are you willing to collect a specimen, you know,

841
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,599
for the sake of discovery and to have an intact,

842
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:05,719
entire sasquad that can be studied from every aspect anatomically, genetically, morphologically,

843
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,239
on and on. Not that there aren't people who do

844
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,320
want to just kill a big scary thing, but nonetheless

845
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,000
I think didn't a hind and change his position later

846
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:14,400
in life.

847
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he did. I think he ended up thinking,

848
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,519
probably shouldn't shoot one of these things. But I think

849
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:23,320
in the early days he was in the shoot one camp. Yeah,

850
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,639
I'm not sure I can consider myself pro kill because

851
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,440
you know, if I practice more, I'm really more amateur kill.

852
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 2: Well, I think, like, realistically, we know it's going to happen,

853
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,360
and so I do think and I don't want it.

854
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,039
I'm always thinking about like the most cynical listener out there.

855
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:41,599
So I know to some people it would sound like

856
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,239
a cop out to say, what's going to happen with

857
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,559
or without me? So you might as well guide it.

858
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:49,880
It's sort of like this truck's barreling down the interstate

859
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,280
at one hundred and forty miles an hour. You might

860
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,239
as well put one hand on the wheel and try

861
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,280
to keep it between the ditches, you know what I mean. Like,

862
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,360
so that doesn't necessarily mean that I want to be

863
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,519
in the truck that is going one hundred and forty

864
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:06,840
miles an a So if that opportunity came and everything

865
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:08,880
was as one would want it to be, then yeah,

866
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,159
you should probably say yes, I will. I will be

867
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,000
a part of seeing this through rather than saying like no,

868
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,000
I object, and I'm not going to be a part

869
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,679
of it, and it happens anyway, I don't know.

870
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, the irony for me is that I'm trying to

871
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:26,320
help prove the species without killing one, which will inevitably

872
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,239
result in killing one. Right, Yeah, that's the irony that

873
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,840
I have on my plate. Yeah, the DNA study stuff

874
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,760
is great, you know what a wonderful way to prove

875
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,360
an animal is real, it's amazing. We live in magical times.

876
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,880
But then they're going to go kill one because they

877
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,519
have to in a way, you know, to figure a

878
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,480
lot of things out about these things. So the irony, oh,

879
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:54,719
the irony, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with

880
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,519
Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages.

881
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be optimal to recover a recently

882
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,360
deceased sasquatch. That would be the best of all worlds,

883
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:12,639
you know, because that's.

884
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,039
Speaker 3: What I tell Like, I believe there's people that know

885
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,519
where a couple are buried, and I try to tell

886
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:20,079
them like, you know, you can be saving one it's

887
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:23,360
alive from getting shot if it turns if you know,

888
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:25,760
the kids on this body like where to get it,

889
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,719
you could be saving a live so you know, you'd

890
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,599
be a hero that way.

891
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they would go get more. And really, at

892
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,440
the end of the day, proving the animals are real,

893
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,039
it's going to result in numerous sasquatch deaths because I think,

894
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,559
Bobo you said it too, like every university is going

895
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,440
to want one. Yeah, and of course they're not all

896
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:45,599
going to get one. It's not like every university has

897
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,639
gorilla corpses lying around or something like that. Well the home, well,

898
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,119
we're really not going to get Yeah, it's gonna be

899
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,920
very interesting to see how how how they you know,

900
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,880
how the chips lie. I guess after that one if

901
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,440
they end up being in our genus or even you know,

902
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:04,519
an nostrolopithesene or something, that's going to be very very

903
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,960
challenging on a lot of levels. You know, like how

904
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,599
far do human rights go? Do they have absolutely no

905
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,719
say in anything like you know, like bugs like or

906
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,079
something like like flies, or do they have human rights?

907
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,960
And of course I've mentioned before some forward thinking countries

908
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,239
off the top of my head, any thing Spain and Portugal,

909
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,760
but I think there's one in South America and be

910
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,960
s Ecuador, I remember, right, try and are trying to

911
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,480
kind of test the waters to see if they can

912
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:36,159
give apes and cetaceans, you know, whales and dolphins some

913
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:40,119
level of human rights, you know as self determinism or

914
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,960
basically leave them alone or that kind of stuff. So

915
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,719
it's going to be an interesting time, and that might

916
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,480
open the door to sasquatch being Homo in the genus

917
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:51,039
Homo might open the door for these other animals to

918
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,559
benefit from that as well. Like if they are the

919
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,760
sasquatches are granted some level of human rights, then there's

920
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,000
nothing really stopping you from grant chimpanzees or bonobos or

921
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,920
gorillas or rangetans some level or a similar level of

922
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,199
human rights. And I think that would be great. Honestly,

923
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,840
I don't see a problem in that, whatever human rights

924
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,440
means for a non human ape.

925
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would certainly hope that there is some sort

926
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,760
of discovery that does not necessitate that, But like we said,

927
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,440
I don't think that's possible. I think that will always

928
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,679
be necessitated. And like Bobo said, if even if someone

929
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,480
had buried one, depending on how old it is, if

930
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:31,519
all that was left were bones. I think someone will

931
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,239
still try to collect a specimen because then you without it,

932
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,280
you wouldn't learn about organs and organ sizes, and you know,

933
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,360
muscle tissue density and tenons, ligaments, this whole host of

934
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,519
other things that you would learn from a more intact

935
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,079
specimen with other soft tissues and things like that.

936
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: So I think there'll be a big black market on

937
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,039
grabbing big foot parts, and I think I think people

938
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,199
still poach them, murder them, whatever you want to call it.

939
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,159
I think there's always any private collectors that want one,

940
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,800
you know, trying to capture a I want to you know,

941
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,199
it's going to go bad form. I think in a

942
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,280
lot of ways if they're discovered. Well.

943
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 4: Darby pointed out to me, of course, that the biggest

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danger to them as a pharmaceutical companies because they're so

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similar to us, and we're potentially so similar to us,

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and a lot of testing will want to be done

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on them, which is unfortunate for them, of course. But

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luckily Darby's already thinking about that and trying to figure

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out a way to minimize that or to even stop

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it from happening if possible. So yeah, another great reason

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Darby's then excellent candidate for this kind of project is

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because he's sinking ahead down all these potential avenues that

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even if he even if it seems unlikely or almost

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impossible in some ways, he's still thinking along those lines.

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He's still traveling down those roads to see what the

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outcome of that would be and doing thought experiments in

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order to get ahead of the game in case the

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unlikely does happen, you know. And of course proving sasquatches

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as real animals is a fairly unlikely thing for most people,

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so you kind of have to think about what's the

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impossible thing that actually might happen, you know. And I

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think that's why I am a full throated supporter of

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Darby and his project out there. I think that with

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enough support, he will get it done.

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Speaker 3: Period. Hey, Delie's more support.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, But good things are happening. Good things are

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happening out there. It's just happening so slowly, and I

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suspect that the Bigfoot community will honestly just lose patience

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at some point and like give up or throw their

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hands in the air and despair or something like that,

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and give up on Derby. But he'll still be there,

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plugging through doing the real science that takes a very

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very long time, moves at a glacial pace. But people

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will lose hope and give up. But that's on them

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for not being patient, and those kinds of people perhaps

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shouldn't be in the big foot game anyway, because sasquatches

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are sasquatching big footing in general, the number one prerequisite

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for that is a huge amount of patients.

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Speaker 3: Well, we understand your lack of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we would love to go so fast too,

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But remember we've said it before. The longer his project takes,

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the better. That means the more promising it is. If

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it's done in two months, that means all the samples

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that were submitted are easily identified. So the longer we

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don't hear about things the better, which is crazy to

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sound crazy to hear, but it's totally totally true.

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Speaker 2: It is a good question, So thank you to the

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of the listeners who've all submitted questions along those lines.

989
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But I think that one was framed in such a

990
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way that it was more interesting one to answer. But

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I'm still wrestling with it. You know, what it reminds

992
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me of a couple of things is because I have

993
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gone back and forth with whether or not to contribute

994
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to that, and I have tried to contribute to it,

995
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and that I've changed positions on whether it's right, whether

996
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it's wrong. There's great arguments for both.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: What I'm reminded of is that great does a Richard

999
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Greenwell quote when someone had asked him do you think

1000
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that sasquatch exists? And he said on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays,

1001
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,000
I'm certain that they exist. On Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturday,

1002
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I think it's all bullshit. And on Sundays I rest.

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That's how I feel about like the pro killed no

1004
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kill thing. It's like, yeah, sometimes I'm certain like that

1005
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has to happen. You know, I didn't write the rules,

1006
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but those are the rules, and so I'm willing to

1007
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:17,159
play by the rules. And then other days I think, man,

1008
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I certainly don't want any part of that. And then

1009
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other days I rest. And so maybe today is one

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of those resting days, Sunday.

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00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 4: But as you pointed out, I don't think we are

1012
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going to be asked anything about it at some point,

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00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,440
you know, I don't. I don't think I'm none of

1014
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,639
us on this call. Here are the likely candidates for

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00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,800
a well organized scientific expedition to come to for help.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine like a summit between like multiple universities,

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00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,280
conservation organizations, and you know, the government, and they're putting

1018
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together a plan, but there's a missing piece and they're like,

1019
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,239
if only we knew, And someone's.

1020
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Speaker 4: Like, call Cliff Bobo and prove it.

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Speaker 3: No, I'll take care of it. No money, Thin're gonna

1022
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be on that panel.

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Speaker 4: Who are these Johnny cum lately?

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of like above and beyond deep dives, I

1025
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got a great message from one of our members who

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is a cultural anthropologist, who sent in a message sort

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00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,159
of in response to the discussion that we had doing

1028
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,320
the deep dive on the Krantz paper about skeptics versus

1029
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,480
believers and Krantz's take on the quote unquote scientific establishment

1030
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:28,360
as he termed them, that I think would make really

1031
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,280
good discussion for a member's episode whenever you guys are

1032
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,039
ready to move to that side of the fence.

1033
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 4: Sounds good to me.

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00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,599
Speaker 3: Okay, folks, that's another week with bigfoot y'all, clipp and

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00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,239
Bubba and prew It. This time thanks for tuning in.

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Hit the Like Hit share. We appreciate it, and until

1037
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next week, y'all keep it squatchy.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond.

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00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:56,880
If you liked what you heard, please rate and review

1040
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,280
us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you

1041
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,519
get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram

1042
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:07,079
at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You can find us on

1043
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,840
Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond that's an N in the middle,

1044
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,239
and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag

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00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:16,199
Bigfoot and Beyond.

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00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: Hello Now doesn't sound better?

1047
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,159
Speaker 1: Now?

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00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound pretty clear. Oh this is so good, dude,

1049
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:31,920
I'm keeping all these.

1050
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,119
Speaker 3: Ah man, all right, I'm ready to.

1051
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 4: Okay, so, bobes, why don't we do something. I'll say like,

1052
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,320
I'm Cliff Barrickman. Then you can jump in, I'm Bobo

1053
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,760
fire b dire Bat and then you can I don't know,

1054
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,400
hit it back to me, and I can say, if

1055
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,000
you're into Bigfoot at all and have been paying any attention,

1056
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,320
you probably know us from finding Bigfoot, but that's over

1057
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,239
and now we're doing this or something, and you can

1058
00:50:58,519 --> 00:50:59,760
you want to say something or what?

1059
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: Okay?

1060
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 4: Hello, everybody, I'm Cliff Brickman, founder of the North American

1061
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,119
Bigfoot Center. Right. Hello, everybody, I'm Cliff Berrickman, founder of

1062
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:15,400
the North American Bigfoot Center, the Pacific Northwest's only Bigfoot No,

1063
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:19,440
that's not true either. Hello everybody. I'm Cliff Berrickman, longtime

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00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:23,119
Bigfoot investigator and founder of the North American Bigfoot Center

1065
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,239
located right outside of Portland, Oregon.

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00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: And I'm James Boufe aka the Bows, longtime Bigfoot researcher

1067
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,639
based out of northern California, also known as the Prettiest

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00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:34,480
Man in Squatchin.

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Speaker 4: If you've been paying attention at all and like Bigfoot,

1070
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,320
you probably know us from Animal Planets television show Finding Bigfoot,

1071
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,159
But that show is off the air, so we've moved

1072
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,159
on to this Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

1073
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: Yep, every week you can enjoin us, but we talked

1074
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,280
about every week you can join us when we every

1075
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,599
week you can join us when we interview that God

1076
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:01,039
damn it can try to this. So, yeah, we're not

1077
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,039
in the bigfoot world, but we're also interested in other

1078
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:05,719
things besides just Bigfoot. That's where the beyond comes in.

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00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,400
We talked to leading experts in sea, serpents, dog man, UFOs,

1080
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,599
other cryptid animals. So join us, Cliff, So join us

1081
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:15,360
every week as we go.

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00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 4: Here's what I would say.

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00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,519
Speaker 2: I would say something like, join Cliff I every week,

1084
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,599
and then just like touch on, I'd say, like three things,

1085
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,400
you know, like you know, we we speak to a variety.

1086
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,320
I like what you said, like the leading experts in

1087
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,400
various fields. Catch up on the latest news and what

1088
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:36,400
we're up to in our own bigfooty exploits. And here's

1089
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,559
some of the most harrowing eyewitness accounts available, or something

1090
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:43,000
like that, where it's just like a three one two three.

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00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:44,199
Speaker 1: Good.

1092
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,079
Speaker 3: Well, you obviously know us, well, you already know well

1093
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,519
most of you obviously know us already from finding Bigfoot

1094
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,920
and us being squatchers. We're Bigfoot and beyond. We're into

1095
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,800
the beyond of Okay, it's Bigfoot and Beyond with the beyond,

1096
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,239
dog man, sea serpents, lake monsters, cheep of cabras, aliens,

1097
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,760
mock man, et cetera, et cetera.

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00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: So listen to Bigfoot and Beyond. So listen to Bigfoot

1099
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,800
and Beyond. Okay, So listen to Bigfoot and Beyond with

1100
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,920
Cliff and Bobo every single week on the iHeartRadio app,

1101
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,199
Apple podcasts, or wherever out there in cyberspace where you

1102
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,920
get your podcasts.

1103
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: Or just keep your mind open, because I'm setting out

1104
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,920
some mental beams and tough half in the whole thing.

1105
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 4: I dig it week to week on Bigfoot and Beyond.

1106
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:33,159
Bigfoot and Beyond will vary from week to week, you know,

1107
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,119
because Bobo and I are kind of variable people. We

1108
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,960
talk to witnesses, we talk to experts, We just talk

1109
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:42,639
to each other about what we're doing in our squatchy lives.

1110
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:46,079
Every single week we're gonna bring you in depth discussion

1111
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,079
about something cool and something probably a little weird. I

1112
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:50,800
think you're gonna dig it, and.

1113
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: Also the latest breakthroughs in any sasquatch news or other

1114
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:57,039
cryptosological animals come to us and we got it for you.

1115
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,320
That didn't make sense.

1116
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 4: I think that it was fine, Bobo.

1117
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 2: I thought that was good.

1118
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I was gonna say one thing, So

1119
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,039
don't miss a show. You're gonna fuck you got kicked

1120
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in the nuts.

1121
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: I wonder if they let us roll with that.

1122
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's try a few of the call to action

1123
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,599
and see if I can get a good like thirty

1124
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second and sixty second.

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Speaker 4: Out of it? All right, Boby ready, yeah, okay, So

1126
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,199
no matter so, no matter what you do, please listen

1127
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,880
to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo on the

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00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,360
iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever out there in cyberspace

1129
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,960
you get your podcasts.

1130
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 3: But most importante of all is until next time, keep

1131
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,599
it squatchy, or should I say, but it's really importante

1132
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,559
to remember until next time, keep it squatchy.

1133
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you. I don't know, I don't

1134
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,320
know if I until next time part in Spanish, no no, no,

1135
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,360
no no, I was thinking, just like, no matter what

1136
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:59,599
you do, keep it squatchy, because until next time, until

1137
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,400
next time. What you hear this advertisement because they didn't

1138
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,320
exactly join us necessarily. You know, this isn't an episode.

1139
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,719
This is just a radio blurb.

1140
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Speaker 3: Okay, So say so that when we're talking close.

1141
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 4: Something to the facts of like, no matter what you do,

1142
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,639
keep it squatchy. Oh no, or something like that. You know,

1143
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,280
above all else, the most important thing to remember here

1144
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:21,360
is to keep it squatchy instead of next time.

1145
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll see. And most important of all is moue MOOI.

1146
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:33,320
What's most moo MOOI importante above all else, keep it squatchy.

1147
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:41,320
That's awkward, all right, that didn't flow. I mean I'll

1148
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try it. And above all and above all else, it's

1149
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,320
moo MOOI importante to keep it squatchy. I dig it.

1150
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,039
Speaker 4: I think we can make something out of that. Okay,

1151
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,760
you go to Frank and bite the hell out of

1152
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,079
that thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Spaniela is in potable