Speaker 1: When I was a little boy.
Speaker 2: He's brob me so much.
Speaker 3: John and the music kick butt like nothing today. Say
the world went insane, But that's when sure the Chan
and jee be joy in that same all the way.
Speaker 4: Say there's a time scene, say we won't cross the streets.
Surely this can be the best there is, Say youmor
rocket queen, I'm a back a cass the recting scene.
Surely you can you Can't Be Serious?
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Sureley you Can't Be Serious Podcast.
I am not de Graves or Jason Colvin. I'm Jeff Johnson,
and you may have heard me once or twice or
six times on the show. I get to be a
part of the What the Heck Happened? Series, and when
I'm not taking care of the film by podcast, I
am an avid listener, a Patreon supporter, and a huge
fan of the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast. So, guys,
first off, thank you for giving me this opportunity for
this very special episode, because it's something I've been hoping
we would get at some point, you know, a little
peak behind the curtain at the Shirley You Can't Be
Serious Podcasts. I kind of want to dig dig in,
and I want to ask you some some questions about
how this show makes it to us week in and
week out.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, thanks for doing that for us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were talking and Jason had told me that
remember who it was, that maybe you had talked to
about people like a little behind the scenes peak of things,
and I was like, well, yeah, that's what we do, Like,
that's our whole stick is we give every behind the
scenes story of interest that we can on all these albums.
Why wouldn't we do it for our own podcast?
Speaker 1: I guess so well, Yeah, I just I love the
behind the scenes featurettes, the audio commentaries, and you guys
do such an amazing job giving us the details on
some of our our all time favorite movies, are all
time favorite albums, and I thought, well, I want to
behind the scenes featurette on the sureley you can't be
serious podcasts. So I appreciate you guys taking the time
to to answer some questions that I feel, I know
I'm curious about, and I think a lot of your
listeners would also be curious about.
Speaker 5: Jeff And as you can see, youre so d.
Speaker 1: I'm loving that ball cap. As you can see, hey,
I'm I'm a supporter. I've got my Surely you Can't
Be Serious Tumblr. I've got my Shirley you Can't Be
Serious t shirt which just fits perfect. Thank you look
great on you.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: There should be our model for the for the merch page.
Speaker 1: Man, I might have to everybody. I told Jason when
I when I pulled it up out of the out
of the mail, I said, the blue, the red, like
the color schemes. I just feel like the Man of Steel.
It makes me believe I can fly. So thank you
for that.
Speaker 2: Jeff is nowsing the Zuperkiss ladies. It's available upon request.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into this guys. Now, For someone that
hasn't listened to the Surely you Can't Be Serious podcast,
how would you describe the show or better yet, entice
someone to become a new follower.
Speaker 2: Well, we've always kind of said that our podcast is
a podcast for the MTV generation. So there's a period
of time from about nineteen eighty one until about the
two thousand mark probably where we as a culture shared
so many common experiences movies, pop culture moments, albums, music videos,
and we like to celebrate those moments. We celebrate that
we do it political free, and we do it with
just a lot of fun. And that's kind of what
I would describe us as.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think the best way to put
it is, we're like having a conversation with your good
friends about the things that you love the most.
Speaker 1: I like that you say that. D The banter between
you to I think is one of the highlights of
this show. Where does that chemistry come from?
Speaker 5: This goes back to kind of the origin of everything.
When Jason and I first really started hanging out, we
started running together and I'd never run more than three
miles in my life, and Jason got me out not
only to run, but found a hill for us to
run up, and I kept telling him I was not
afraid to quit, and we just talked. You know, it
was just like guys talk, but like we're running on
the road. And I got done with our distance and
I was like, that wasn't that kind of went by
because it wasn't boring and tedious. I was talking with
a good guy about stuff that we both enjoyed. And
then we just kept doing that over and over and
over again, and longer distances didn't seem to matter because
we always had something to talk about. You know. The
kind of the sparkle moment that we didn't realize was
a sparkle moment was until like ten years later, was
that he would say something. You know, I would say
something about Thriller being the best album of all time,
and he would say, well, you know everybody thinks that,
but Bad was actually a better album.
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 5: It was like, you're crazy, dude, And and we had
those similar type of things, you know, for various things
that would pop up and then life goes on. Ten
years later, I've moved out of the neighborhood, but we're
still very good friends. And he called me up and said, uh, well,
I'm thinking about doing a podcast. Which I had talked
to him about this already because I had gotten a
microphone thinking I'm going to do a podcast too, just
trying to figure out what it was going to be about.
And he said, do you think people would listen to
a podcast? This is going to hit home for you, Jeff,
do you think people would listen to a podcast about Frasier?
And I said no, I.
Speaker 2: Still think you're wrong about that though, but keep going, Yeah,
I don't know about that.
Speaker 5: So I so I said, you know, if you did
a podcast about Cheers. I mean, that's an iconic series
of the eighties. That's something that I absolutely think, even
though it's been you know, not running for years and years,
that people would totally tune in for that. And he said, well,
I kind of think that Fraser is actually better than Cheers,
and I was like crazy. And then ten minutes after
we hung up the phone and I called him back
and I said, why don't we do a podcast together
where we do something like this, where we take something
that you think is better than something that I think
is obviously better, and we just make the podcast about that.
We put two things against each other, and initially it
was kind of gonna it was going to be like
I was going to defend my side the whole time
and he was going to defend his side the whole time.
But what it ended up being was just another one
of those conversations like we had when we were running,
where we would just kind of nerd out and go, hey,
did you know about this? And the other guy would
be like, no, but did you hear about this? And
so we just we kind of made some fun out
of trying to wow the other guy with this new
piece of information that we had, and I think everybody
else seemed to kind of enjoy that as well, just like, Hey,
I didn't. I've loved this whatever album or movie since
I was a little kid, and I had no idea
about these stories behind it. And that's we've just it's
been a joy to try to learn these things and
then share that with everybody else.
Speaker 2: By the way, before you started, Jeff, my good friend
and yours too, Jeff Johnson made a good point. He
brought this up to me No. Two three weeks ago.
He said, I went back and I re listened to
your very first like the trailer episode. Oh yeah, like
before we started the podcast and were putting out those previews,
and he's like, you've done everything that you teased up
in that trailer except for one matchup?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 2: Fraser and Frasier and Cheers is the one that we
haven't done.
Speaker 5: We have yet to put a TV show against a
TV show And yeah, it's always just been out there
hovering out there like that. It's a hard one.
Speaker 1: A movie versus movie, album versus album, but we've never
had the TV show versus TV show. And this is
the origin of the show that you can't be serious.
I for one would love to hear it, because, uh,
I'm a big Fraser fan, but I don't know that
I'm gonna be a team Fraser when it's all said
and done. Has Di has won me over many times already? Well,
this happens every time we do this. Sometimes though he's
made I told you recently, you guys did last season.
You had this amazing breakfast club versus Santamo's fire episode,
and Jason, I think I told you I was devastated
because d won me over to his way of thinking.
I went home, I watched Sanamos fired. I was like,
oh my god, He's right. It just broke. It just
broke me, man, And so you never know where you're
gonna land. I love that about what you guys do.
I have to ask, though, how much of what we
hear is planned versus spontaneous.
Speaker 5: I will tell you that we deliberately do our best
not to talk about what we're gonna talk about before
we talk about it. We tried very hard, but we're
also very good friends, and we talk on the phone
about every single day, and we kind of slipped a
few times and occasionally Jason or I will say, hey,
don't let me forget to talk about whatever the girlfriend
of whoever or whatever you know, But honestly, most of
it is most of it is completely off the cuff.
We've got stories that we want to tell. Like I've
I've done my research, I've picked out the stories that
I want to talk about. He's done the same thing.
But we will. We we riff off of each other.
That's I don't think it would be good to listen
to if we had it scripted out, I.
Speaker 2: Would say that we're very We care a lot about
our research. We do a lot of reading and studying,
but our conversations are spontaneous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so, uh, you know you got you. You
mentioned the friendship a little bit here across social media.
I'm talking YouTube and your Patreon page. You guys have
built this amazing family culture with your listening audience, and
many of them have connected with each other. Uh. How
do you feel about that? Was that always the intention?
Or has it has it all been happenstance?
Speaker 5: You know? I the super Bowl just got over. I
don't know when this episode will air or anything, but
the super Bowl just got over. A couple of days ago,
and when it was done and they were interviewing the guys,
I immediately thought about Bull Durham and like every single
guy is like, oh, these are my brothers. Man, I
couldn't have done without my team. You know, we've we've
overcome adversity and we don't know these things. And this
coach has been the best leader I've ever had, and
just you know, it's always about the other and it's
it's silly because you know, those guys have worked incredibly
hard to get where they are and they've got to
want to go. Man. I really worked hard to get here,
but nobody says that in this particular circumstance. I mean, yeah,
we put in a lot of hard work. But man,
we couldn't. I could not have possibly imagined when we
started this thing, how amazing the people that would tune
in touch base with us, become our friends, become our
close friends, that we would have this opportunity that we
all get to go to a place together and eat
and drink and laugh and play games with people from
literally all over the country. And we've got people who
contact us from all over the world. We've got we've
got to guy guy in Sweden who hits me up
on Facebook routine, le Jimmy, Jimmy. I mean it's and
he's he's showing me pictures of where he's living and
what and you know, this big animal crossing across the.
Speaker 2: Pond his place is awesome.
Speaker 5: But oh it's beautiful, it's it's incredible, and I'm just thinking, man,
I just need to find an excuse to go out
there and hang out with Jimmy for a little while.
So this crazy unexpected thing is what I would say
is the best part about the podcast is that we
have We've met people from all over the world. We've
gotten not just to meet them, to get close with them,
and they are the coolest, most wonderful people. Like I'm
sure everybody says about their fans, but I mean it's true.
Our our fans are the best effing fans out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been really I mean, I mean, you've been
a part of all this stuff, and you know, we've
met people from all over the place and and become
friends with them. We've gotten to meet people that that
I looked up to, John Reid and Pat Cannagallo and
Jeff Mazuka and those guys over at the thirty Sething
Movie podcast. They helped us get started. We've actually haven't
been in the room with Pat or Jeff yet, but
I have. We hung out with John Reid over the
weekend and you have to so we got to meet
the people who helped us, influenced us. And then we've
also kind of been a part of other people who
who we've kind of been a part of their origin story,
who kind of helped them a little bit get their
thing going.
Speaker 1: So he yeah, I don't mind saying it right here.
And now I know we were we were a struggling
show until you guys came into our life and just
just the fact that you opened up and said, hey,
let us help. And by the way, you know you
we're cool. You're cool. Let's let's let's make something of this. Yeah,
you definitely we the film by podcast. It was a
lot to both of you for for helping launch us
and get us where we're at. So I can't think enough.
I'm everything. And to D's point, it's it's it's always
great when that when you get that kind of success,
But at the same time, the true success is the
friendships that have happened here, Like you know we've we're
kind of talking about hanging out that you know, Shirley
Fest is It's the highlight of my year now. I
look forward to it every every every September. It's like
I can't wait, you know. So it's an awesome time.
Speaker 2: By the way, back to what I originally said, you
can get ten people from my hometown and they won't
agree on politics, religion, schooling, how to raise your kids,
but you can start a conversation on whether bad is
better than thriller or thriller is better than bad, and
people from around the world have opinions and are ready
to talk about it. And I think it's one of
the cool things that maybe maybe the last cool thing
of our generation, is this ship experience that we could
all talk about, hang out, celebrate and have fun with.
Speaker 1: Now, Jason, you you talked about the research a few
minutes ago, and while you both seem to be subject
matter experts on music and movies from the eighties and nineties,
I imagine the research a lot. There's a lot that goes
into each episode. Can you walk us through your your
prep process.
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I'll tell you.
Speaker 5: It's very different for the both of them.
Speaker 2: This is why we get along. This is why I
show works. I think is because he cares about things
that are not as important to me, and I care
about things that aren't as important to him. And when
we put them together, it's kind of the chocolate and
peanut butter thing. But yeah, there's there's a lot of reading.
We spend hours getting ready for each episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I've I've changed a lot over the last
seven years. I spent a lot more time doing the research.
But you know, you just kind of hone your process
a little bit and you figure out what's working for
you and what's not. And so, you know, when we
first started doing this, I would probably I would spend
ten hours of research per episode, and then I would
go and I was I was editing all of the
episodes to begin with, and I'd spend another ten hours
doing that. Now, fortunately Jason has taken over the editing process,
and you know, he's become incredibly good at that and
make it. It's much faster for him than it was. I'm
sure when he first started doing it as well. But
now I've got it down to maybe half that. You know,
for I was talking to I was talking to a
class We actually actually actually got to go talk to
my son's high school class about podcasting because they had
a podcasting project. And that was one of the questions
of how much you know, how much time do you
have to prepare for an hour long episode? And I
was like, well, I'm going to spend four hours and
at this point four to five hours doing research. He's
going to spend four to five hours doing editing. So
for one hour long episode, you're talking about a full
work day eight to ten hours.
Speaker 1: Okay, aside from the editing, has anything over the years,
has anything else is kind of kind of change in
your process? How you go about it?
Speaker 2: Jason, Well, we finally found a home. Like we record
in my upstairs bonus room. Now, as you can see,
we've got the Shirley wall.
Speaker 1: The wall, it is just the Shirley wall is amazing.
Speaker 2: But you know, when we started, I had young kids
at home and they were loud and rambunctious, and I
had a barking dog and all that other stuff. And
now you know, we used to move. We've done it
at your office, We've done it at my church. We
did it at the library, like the law library one time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, our first our very first episode we recorded in
a private room at the law school because I was
able to get that because I knew that would be
I mean because I have small had small kids too,
I knew that would be a place that would be quiet,
be quiet. So we did a handful of shows at
the law school. Then we found the church. Jason's church
had a fantastic room. Then that went under construction, and
so we had to find a new place. I had
an office that we went to recorded a whole bunch
of episodes down there, and then things happened and we
ended up over here, and here's been great. We had
no idea that the whole time this upstairs room would
be the perfect sound booth for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Now, looking back over the last year, and I know
you guys might have different opinions here, but looking back
of the last year, which episode do you both feel
best represents what the podcast has become? And more importantly why.
Speaker 5: We haven't actually talked about it to see if we agree.
But I'll throw this out there to see if Jason
agrees with me. I for last year, last season, I
would say to a definitive pair of episodes for us
and what we've become now is going it's going to
be the Eagles' greatest hits versus Jimmy Buffett. I don't
know if that's thought or not, but you have two
absolute powerhouses. We had great stories on all of the
guys involved in those things, and we also had a
lot of fun with it. You know, we dressed up
in Wholewaiian shirts and had mocktail margeritas while we talked
about Jimmy Buffett an ative cheeseburger, you know, in Paradise
because that's where it was. But uh, and the Eagles one.
The Eagles one has been absolutely the biggest hit of
last year, like as far as downloads go, and Away
earn away the best biggest hit.
Speaker 2: So I agree. I think that's our best matchup of
the of the year. And it was in the middle
of summer, and the Hawaiian shirts were fun and the
got we got the fancy drink cups and you know,
we had the little umbrellas and that was to me,
if you're going to listen to one set of episodes
from last season, that's the one I would recommend to somebody.
H But maybe the one I'm most proud of that
is kind of maybe off the beaten track a little bit.
I had one episode in particular that I kind of
edited with my dad in mind, okay, because we covered Chicago,
and Chicago has been around long enough that he was
a fan and they drifted into the MTV generation and
I picked up on him on the seventeenth album, right
Chicago seventeen. And so when we did that, man, I
needle dropped a whole bunch of early stuff because I
knew he would be listening and I wanted him to
enjoy it. And it was a great It was a
fun episode. So, by the way.
Speaker 1: That was a great episode. I love that one.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: There is one set of episodes and I told thee
this maybe six months ago. That doesn't get a lot
of downloads, and it wasn't from the season, but I
think Dee and I were like on point. It was
maybe our most fun conversation we did any which way
you can, versus every which way but loose a couple
of seasons ago. Yes, we we cracked up. We laughed.
We had a ball doing that and we talked, you know,
talking about monkeys flipping off cops.
Speaker 5: And and that one, I mean, to Jason's point, that
was the one I had my dad in mind because
he loved, loved Clint Eastwood love those movies. I can
remember watching them all the time with him when I
was a little kid. And I think, I mean, it's
been a little while since I've looked at them downloads,
but I think that those are actually kind of maybe
an underground, little cult thing because they are they are
getting quite a bit of traction. It's just they they
just kind of it's not something that you know, it's
just out there, but they are still people are tuning in.
I don't know. I doubt, I doubt there are a
whole lot of other podcasts that have covered those movies.
I covered Gremlins and Ghostbusters, but how many people have
covered any which way but loose and every which way
you can?
Speaker 1: I remember, right, I got well, I remember Jason, like
I remember I specifically remember us talking uh and it
was you know, hey, what do you got coming up?
And You're like, well, I don't know if it's gonna
be a big hit, but you know, Clint eas Wood,
we're doing this double feature and I was like, any
which way, but yeah, You're like, yeah, you've seen us,
Like I've got the two pac It's back here. You
can see it behind me on this ball of DVDs
and Blu rays. I've got it. I was like, I
can't wait. I'm ready for the right time with Clyde. So, listeners,
if you have not listened to that one, that is
an absolute fun one. And you guys were in rere
form I think again, we talk about the chemistry between
the two of you, and yeah, you were having a ton.
Speaker 5: Of fun on that.
Speaker 1: So I love that episode.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Know, and we speaking of movies, movies like that. You know,
you guys, you cover content that boasts a lot of
eighties and nineties nostalgia. Why do you think movies and
music of these two decades still connect so strongly with
today's listeners.
Speaker 5: I don't know really how to answer that question. The
guys that are listening to podcasts grew up with those movies.
That's that's kind of a key factor there, right, the
gen X guys who are in the somewhere in between,
you know, thirty five and fifty five, this is what
we grew up with, right, And so there's that factor.
There are still good movies that get made, but not
nearly as many. I mean, it doesn't. It's not. It
doesn't take a cinematic expert to go and look at
one summer any pick any summer of the nineteen eighties
and compare it to a whole year of any year
of the twenty first century, and you're gonna go, why
are there so many great movies in one summer that
are more than there are in the whole year for
the twenty first century. It's just, I mean, things changed
in the in the studio world, things changed in the
production world. There was there was a transition that occurred
at that time that was just a magic moment. And
my kids will even say it. They're like, Dad, you're
born in nineteen seventy five. I was like yeah. They're like,
you got to be a kid during the eighties and
I was like yeah. And they're like, you got to
be a teenager during the nineties and I was like yeah.
And they're like and there wasn't any like social media
or cameras or anything like that going on, and I
was like no. And they're like, and you.
Speaker 6: Got to kind of just run around and do whatever
you wanted to do. And I was like yeah, pretty much.
And they're like, man, I wish I could have grown
up then I'm like, yeah, you do. It's pretty awesome.
I mean we didn't appreciate.
Speaker 5: Maybe how good it was at the time, but looking back, yeah,
I wouldn't trade places with any of those folks. You know.
Speaker 2: It also goes back. We've talked about this before, but
we all listened to a common radio station, if you will, TV, right,
MTV was our radio station for kids across America, and
it was this That's how we learned our musical taste
and that's why we all share a common experience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's true. And the movies that
you saw were the movies that would fit into the theater.
You didn't have hundreds and hundreds of things to choose
from from dozens and dozens of streaming services. You didn't.
You didn't have that option. Everybody like HiT's the commonality,
that's right. Everybody was listening to the same stuff. Everybody
was watching the same stuff, and most people were going
like going to the same concerts or going to the
same places to hang out. Everybody had a mall to
go to, everybody had a video arcade that they wanted
to go hang out at, and just none of that
exists like it did.
Speaker 2: Or a combination of like you watched Pour Some Sugar
on Me on MTV before you jumped on your Hoffey bike,
rode it to the mall, played the arcade, watched Roadhouse,
and then rode home. You know, I mean it was
That's just what a summer day was, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, as long as the porch light has not
come on yet, you're free to roam and get into adventures.
Speaker 5: Right, that's right, that's right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like the making of the shure
that you can't be serious podcast. We're behind the we're
behind the scenes here. So I got to ask. I
got to ask questions like this, let's talk about off Mike.
Have there ever been moments off Mike, be it during
research or maybe you're recording or you're about to record
where either one of you, like completely changed your opinion
about a movie or an artist.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was off Mike, but for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was, it was. It was on Mike for
me because I mean, that's kind of the beauty of
what we're doing. Because a lot of these a lot
of these albums, I would say, probably more so for
me I've never listened to the whole album before. I
wasn't a guy who went out and bought albums. Most
of the time I was listening to singles. I was
listening to what was on the radio. I was listening
to what was on MTV. And so, I mean, the
thing that springs to mind for me. God bless Amanda Janic.
She called us out to do the cure, and I,
for the last thirty years had said I freaking hate
the Cure. I don't want to listen to any of
their music. I can't stand it. But she was so
incredibly persuasive in her plea for us to cover it
that I was like, Okay, well let's do it. And
I mean, I put the I put the album on.
Listen to the first thirty seconds of the first song.
I push pause. I called Jason, I'm like, holy cow,
this is really good. Like I was like, what the heck? Like,
how come I haven't heard of this stuff? And it
was it goes back to that all I had heard
were they're popular songs, which I still don't care for
that much, but you go to their album tracks and
it's incredible. So I went from I can't stand the
cure to. I listened to them regularly.
Speaker 1: Now, I mean as a listener, I gotta be honest,
like one of the things that is magical for me.
You guys will hint it like hey, next next week,
this is what we're doing, and I'll be like, well,
let's it's not even a fair fight, like I'm not
gonna that band. I've never liked that band, or I've
never liked that movie. But then you guys start talking.
You know, I'll point out last season you had the
the Alantis Morrisse set versus Jewel versus No Doubt, the
three way match up there, and I was like, there's
I mean, yeah, No Doubt was amazing, is amazing, and
Atlantis that's what that album's iconic. But Jewel doesn't have
a chance. And then they listen to d just speak
about her, her, the songs and the music so passionately.
I was like, hold on, and you know, I hit
pause because sometimes I'll do this. I imagine a lot
of people do this with your show. I love what
they're saying, but I got to hit pause because I
now I want to hear the song or I want
to hear the album, and I by gum I turned
it on, I was like, this is incredible music. I
was there. I don't know why I was not paying
attention to Jewel when this happened. So, you know, you guys,
you do a great job of moving the needle, as
you say Jason, like, hey, if we can move the
needle for someone, we've done our job. And I think
you guys do that a lot. But I'm curious when
you take into consideration all the final judgments, all the
spiking of the footballs as it were, that you've delivered,
have you ever looked back and said, hmm, I got
that one wrong.
Speaker 2: For me, it goes back to which matchup was the closest, okay,
And so if it's if it's fifty fifty or fifty
one forty nine, you know I could go either way then.
So the one that comes to mind for me is
the George Michael Faith versus an Excess Kick album, where
both of those were such powerhouses for eighty seven. Both
are packed with hits, both very impactful special albums. To me,
I loved both. It was about equal, and I think
I could probably go either way. You know, you were
asking what album maybe moved the needl the most for
me over the years was probably Synchronicity. We started out
with Synchronicity. I had not a lot of interest in it.
It's kind of dry, dusty music to me.
Speaker 5: I can remember having the conversation. I was sitting in
a school gym watching my kid play basketball, and he
brought up Journey and I was like, oh, this is
when the Police Synchronicity came out. And he's like, that's
not even a fair competition. I was like, are you
saying you like the Police better? And he's like, no,
they're not. It's terrible. And I'm like, oh, we have
to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to. In fact, I'm really I'm kind
of anxious to do Ghosts in the Machine to go
through it, you know, to make myself come through. And
also when we did Nickelback, I love that well in
love with Nickelback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see the shirt right.
Speaker 2: I am officially the Norman, Oklahoma President of the Nickelback
Fan Club. After going through their their heads, I mean,
they're so freaking good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 1: Imagine chat Gregor's appreciates that. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Chad call in the podcast, I gladly take your phone call.
Speaker 1: Yes, I gotta tell you since we're talking about moving
the needle. I just never imagined ever that I would say, Yes,
I am a proud listener and fan of Christopher Cross.
Like the fact that you guys did that to me
because you was like, listen, I'm not trying to I'm
not trying to tell you your business, but no one
cares about this music. Indeed, was like you, But then
I listened to I'm like, have I been a Christopher
Cross fan my whole life and just not realized it?
So I owe that to you guys. You know, you
know I listened to him because of this show, because
of what you guys did.
Speaker 5: Jeff is out of the Christopher closet.
Speaker 2: Yes, hey, we put that matchup out to our Patreon episode,
so you know, listen, if you're not a Patreon member,
you ought to go to our Patreon page join up
on our Patreon because you do have a say in
future matchups.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: When we put that out there, I thought for sure
that would finish Dead Last and it didn't.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: I voted in that. Like I said, I'm a Patreon subscriber,
and I remember that. I was like, what are they thinking? Like,
no one wants to listen to that, and I had
a couple other Patreon members in the family going, hey,
hold on, guy, you don't know and I was like, oh,
I'm thinking, okay, well they'll see. And I guess what,
I was the one that was wrong because Christopher Cross
is great, Like I just never imagine.
Speaker 5: I'd say that. Yeah. So he's playing at the end
of this month and Jason's like, we should go see him.
I'm like, all right, let's make it happen. And he's
like sold out, sold out.
Speaker 1: Oh see that you guys, uh, you went on a
little adventure what was it last last summer to see Creed. Yeah,
And just I loved that episode because it was it
was like a fun anecdote like you because you guys
you did. It wasn't like you just got in the
car and went to the concert. There was a little
bit of a a misadventure, you know, getting there, and
I don't know, I don't spoil that. I laughed hysterically
the whole time. I was like, I wish I was
there with these guys at the pizza place and and
through the rain and you know in the show, like
it's just it's fun. I would love for you guys
to do more concerts, go to more concerts, or go
to more movies, and then give us that whole the
surely reaction to how was it? How was the show?
You guys were awesome in that episode.
Speaker 2: I've got a shout that we've got plans maybe to
go to Chicago this spring summer, do some sight visit,
do the the John Hughes Johnny's tour.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I'll tell you this before we before we
get off that Creed concert. Just deciding to do that
was wonderful. It was just happenstance that we decided because
we kind of we decided to do that matchup before
Creed got back together and started touring again. And the
fact that happened, I was just like, well, good, this
is this is going to do well for the show.
And then the first the first show of that tour
was the show we went to see. Yeah, it's the kickoff,
and I was I was fantastically entertained by Creed. But
just that that got us to see Three Doors Down,
who opened for them, and I got to see Brad Arnold,
and I feel like, even though I was a million
miles away from him, got to know him on a
personal level, because that was the way that he talked
to the audience. It was like he was your friend
and getting to getting to experience that, not knowing what
he was going through at the time, heard about what
he was going through later on, I was like, oh, no,
I genuinely hope that because he was such a genuine
and kind and faithful guy, I mean, inspiration, inspirational and
too yeah for him to have left. I mean he's singing,
he's singing a better song right now. But but it
was I'm so glad that we just happened upon that
kind of ye meeting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the most memorable moments in any concert I've
ever been to was something he did during the concert
when I saw three doors down. I think my second
time just I love that you guys got that that opportunity.
Speaker 2: But wait, let me talk, wait, hold on, hold on.
I want to know if you think you got anything
wrong or what move what needle move for you?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, d any anytime where you anything,
you can look back and going it might maybe I.
Speaker 5: Got where I got it wrong. No, I'm always right.
Camp can't be right and then wrong later that doesn't
You're right.
Speaker 2: Right, I think he likes bad better than thriller personally
after all these years, like you the flips.
Speaker 1: Knock listen, I'm I'm I'm a d on this one. Thriller.
Speaker 5: I mean, as far as I will tell you, this
was the one. I will tell you this as far
as matchups go. I can remember on those early episodes
when we were going to compare Hysteria with Pyromania, that
I was like, well, I don't care about Pyromania. It's
obviously going to be hysteria for me. And then I
you know, I was like, okay, listen to this. It
was kind of like the concert.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: We did the concert like we were in high school.
We went to had pizza, we went and played video games,
and then we went to The show Man and it
was it was even if that was rain, it was awesome,
right yeah, And so I for when we did the
Pyramanea Hysteria, I was like, Okay, I'm going to pretend
like I just bought this album, put my big headphones
on over my ears, crank it up, it blew it
out of the water. Pyromania Blue Hysteria out of the
water for me, and I was just like, Wow, I
had no idea. So that was something that I had
made a decision beforehand, but I still my final judgment.
Still it was still Pyromania, And I don't think I
would change my mind on anything that I picked. The
great thing is the great thing is this we pick winner.
I mean, there have been a couple of genuine landslides
that we've had. I would say groundog Day versus Multiplicity,
and that was just a matchup because of other factors,
not because they're both winning movies. But in almost all circumstances,
you're not gonna go wrong picking either one of these things.
I mean, I'll say that Jason's wrong when he picks
one is better that I think is not. But but
I mean there we picked. We pick good movies, we
pick good albums.
Speaker 2: D Blue the the Rambo Summer matchup. Though, I'll tell
you that I was shocked.
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest shock I've ever had, and
I was so excited. I was like, he's never seen
First Blood or Rambo two. He's gonna lose his mind.
And you know you can't like. I love that you
dropped in on the on the episode. You got the
you got the camp, you got the headband. I was like, Oh,
it's a slam dunk. He's gonna he's a big Rambo fan.
And I just I was shocked. I was absolutely shocked.
Speaker 5: I was to you guys. Got to know, like when
chopping at Dollar General in gold to Be, Oklahoma last
month and this kid at the register who looked like
he was maybe nineteen, maybe twenty, It is like, anybody
ever told you you look like the Tulsking guy? And
I was like, only for about the last forty two
years that I was surprised that I was a movie
over a sly movie. But that was a no brainer,
that was an easy Yeah, Okay, he.
Speaker 2: Missed the moment better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ten year old D, I think has a different opinion.
If he sees it, then I really do.
Speaker 5: But now ten year old D doesn't know what the
heck he's talking about.
Speaker 1: That's As of this year, there are now over four
and a half million registered podcasts, with only an estimated
four hundred thousand actively producing new content. Can you share
something about what it takes to create and run a
successful podcast that listeners would probably never guess unless they
tried to do it themselves. Because everyone thinks they can
do it until you try to do it. What's something
that you guys can give us, like, like, hey, this
is what you better think about before you start.
Speaker 5: So I just looked at list of notes earlier this week.
We're in the top one percent of those four and
a half million podcasts, which means we're in the same
category with forty five thousand other podcasts, which doesn't sound
so impressive. But the answer to your question, as far
as I'm concerned, we got blessed. We just what I
wanted to do before we even knew that this was
going to be a thing, was I was like, I
want to do something with somebody that I genuinely enjoy
being around and enjoy talking to. And the first guy
that popped in my head was Jason Colvin. And so
I was like, Okay, how do I find something Like
I was thinking job stuff, you know, like some business
enterprise something. How do I do something with Jason Colvin
that maybe as successful as a business. And that was
the only factor. I just want to do something with
Jason Colvin. That was it. And that's all that I
can say we had going for us, Like everything else
is just just blessed, just dumb luck, just sunshining on
the dog's butt. You know, it's just not anything that
we necessarily did by design, but just we like being
around each other. I think a few people in the
world that I'd rather be around than this guy. We
love talking to each other. We've been doing it for
seven years on the air, and like seventeen years total,
and I still ain't tired of it yet. So, I mean,
that's so if you want, if you if you want
the magic formula, find somebody you love being around and
talking to and do something with them. Whether it's a
podcast or eliminade. Stand, it doesn't matter. You know, if
you're doing something with somebody that you truly love being
around and love talking to, it'll be successful in the
matter how many people listen to it.
Speaker 2: Personally, thank you very much. That makes me feel very special.
And I love hanging out with you. I mean, I
love you.
Speaker 5: I love you, bro, I love you man.
Speaker 2: But I do I do agree with you that that
is kind of our secret sauce. There are other movie
experts out there that I could call and you know,
somebody in another state and say, hey, you like movies,
I like movies. Listen to a podcast together. It's not
going to be It's not going to be what we
do because we like hanging out, we like having fun,
we like doing stuff, and this is stuff we're going
to talk about anyway.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, seventeen years, I can't think of one angry
word that I've said to this guy or that he
said to me. And we obviously have been doing a
lot of stuff together for a lot.
Speaker 1: That's special. Yeah, but surely you can't be serious. Podcasts
has celebrated some big milestones and substantial audience growth. Is
there something you're particularly proud of.
Speaker 2: The thing I'm most proud of is the community that
we've been able to create. I mean, I think our
show's good. I'm proud of that. I'm proud of what
we do and what we put out. I'm proud of
the work that we've put in, the hours that we've done.
You know, our growth has been rewarding, but for me,
it's the friends that we've made in the community that
we've grown so and that was totally a bonus, like
a bonus baby. We had no intention and.
Speaker 1: It just happened. So, you know, I don't think anyone says, hey,
we're gonna we're gonna create this show because we want
to we want new friends, we want to build our friendships.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Up it's it's like it's a it's a happy return
on the investment, I think.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, if you're listening to
this and you're like, well, I've never heard of it,
shoot me a text, or send me a message, find
me on Facebook. Let's let's hook up. If you want
to talk movies, let's do it.
Speaker 5: I remember the very first I don't remember if it
was the first review that we got, but it was
one of the very first reviews, and the review was
I really appreciate the way that you guys do this
because I have a I think she was probably thirteen
or fourteen year old daughter at the time, who I
you know, rides to I'd give her ride to school
every morning and we listen to your podcasts and talk
about stuff together. So I keep appreciate you keeping it clean,
keeping it interesting, keeping it accessibble by all ages. And
I was kind of blown away by that because I,
you know, I've got a bunch of kids. He's got
a bunch of kids, and that's I mean, if somebody
had done that for me, had created something that I
could share with my kids and talk with my kids
about I would be ecstatic about that, and so I was.
Really it was dumb luck again that we happened to
find that thing, but that was James Buckley. And James
Buckley is one of our closest friends now and has
been a financial supporter and uh you know advertiser Maven
for the podcast and eventually we're going to get down
there and see hidden tracks play. And he's been a
close with us, I mean, and has helped my kid
with a ticket in Louisiana. It's just it's just but
but having something that people can share with their family,
with their kids, or even with their coworkers, and we
don't We're not the only thing that said, but we
spark a conversation that they will go on and have
after the show's over. Shoot. Yeah, that's all I need.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the schedule like that, you know,
how how we how we come to the lineup the matchups,
assuming there is compromise when deciding which movies and music
you're going to develop into episodes. Was there ever, has
ever been an episode that gave you pause or on
whether or not to cover it? These smile and he
might like he's got something I makes to hear what
this is.
Speaker 5: Well, no, I just Jason called me like a month
ago and.
Speaker 2: I was like, go ahead, you turned Yeah.
Speaker 5: He's like, what do you think about Steve Winwood? And
I was like, I hate him. I don't hate the man,
but I hate his music. I mean, I just no, no,
hang on, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on, hang on. He didn't even make
it to hear the matchup that I was offering. Okay,
So so here's the thing. Sometimes you do stuff that
you wouldn't normally do, and you come out on the
other side and you're like, wow, that was great air supply,
Christopher Cross, Police, you know. The list goes on. I
just got to make sure that sometimes I got a
dragon kicking and screaming. But this was the matchup I
was going to propose against Richard Marx, which we've been
looking for a good matchup for Richard Marx for a
long time.
Speaker 5: I have no problem with doing Richard Marx.
Speaker 2: Right, We've talked about it. It's a perfect matchup. And anyway,
I didn't even get I'm like, it's.
Speaker 5: A perfect matchup, Like it's not even how are they
remotely related? Like Steve wynn would started playing music and
was in bands that were successful, and he was a
teenager and played in the seventies and is now like
a middle aged man and freaking Richard Marx was background
music for countless albums and then suddenly became famous for
a minute, exactly, I.
Speaker 2: Rest my case. Thank you very much for.
Speaker 5: Not related at all. The music's not the SAME's there's nothing.
Speaker 2: It's pop rock stuff. It's I think it's a perfect
matchup for Richard Marx. But that's okay, we'll keep looking. Actually, listeners,
you just told him.
Speaker 1: I got a mini episode there.
Speaker 5: This is. I will say this. I was like, if
you want to go do that with somebody else, I'm
totally fine with that. But I kissed. I can't listen
to an entire album of Team but I don't like
his voice. I don't want to like the entire album
of him. I can't.
Speaker 1: I did not anticipate the Steve Winwood versus Richard Marks
matchup inside this Getting to Know Shirley episode, So thank you,
Like we've figured it out, you know, final judgment. You
guys are split on this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was. I was like, if you want to
do this with somebody else, it's okay. Like I'm not,
I'm okay. And he was like, oh I gonna do that.
Speaker 1: No you can't.
Speaker 2: You know, No, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 5: And I and I was like, well, you know, there
may be something like maybe we're going to do a
Steve Stevie Wonder episode and you don't want to do it,
and so I gotta go do somebody else And he
was like no. I was like, you're right, No, I
would never do that. It's just not the same. The
chemistry would be the content would be the same. It'd
be like, yeah, haven't we know? And it would I
feel guilty forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't. We don't want Coy Advance. We want
Bow and Luke. You can't. You can't mix it up
for us.
Speaker 2: Maybe we Steve one would versus Stevie Wonder. Maybe right,
and then we can just see who taps out first.
Speaker 1: Oh that would be That's that's it right there. How
much how much abuse can you take? I'm excited, guys,
we are the new season is right around the corner.
I'm gonna ask and I know you guys are you
might be a little tight lipped here about what we're
going at, what's coming? But what excites you the most
this year? Can you what can long time listeners expect
more of?
Speaker 5: I don't know what the answer is. For Jason, I
got a guess. But for me, I'm excited. And this
is interesting because it's not eighties at seventies, but I
am excited to talk about Fleetwood Mac rumors versus Eagles
Hotel California. I think that's going to be amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to go back. How do you decide?
I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know the answer at this point. You know,
I can say that I grew up with the Eagles
and not as much with Fleetwood Mac. But you're in
the last couple of decades, I've really grown to love
Fleetwood Mac, so listen to him side by side. I
don't know. I don't know how it's going to turn out.
I have a feeling that I'm gonna lean towards the Eagles,
but I couldn't tell you for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's to me, that's my number one, like that's
the tenth pole episode. Of course, I'm excited about all
of our episodes. I think our nineteen eighty four versus
fifty one fifty episode Van Halen versus Van Hagar. I
can't wait for that. But we also we're gonna dance
around in nineteen eighty one. We're gonna do Minute Work,
which I've already looked into. There's an incredible story there,
you know. We got Minute Work versus Hall of Notes
versus the Jay Dobsband. That's gonna be a fun nineteen
eighty one.
Speaker 1: Nice matchup.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also but also we're doing Pretty and Pink versus
some kind of wonderful and we've got Melissa Mingle and
Jill McCormick coming in from out of town, Like Melissa's
coming in from Colorado Springs, she's flying in, Jill's driving
over from Tulsa, and we're gonna have a great conversation
with them. So that's gonna be a lot of fun too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, one of the things again talking
about the chemistry, talking about what you guys do every week.
I can't thank you enough for giving us the opportunity
to I get to know you guys like I, you know,
and that's something. But before we met in person, before
we you know, before I flew out to, you know,
half away across the country to meet meet up with
you guys. It's like, these guys are my buddies. I
know these guys. I grew up with these guys, even
though I didn't grow up with these guys. And one
of the things I love that you guys do. There'll
be episodes where you guys come in and you're just like, hey,
I was driving in here. I think I changed my mind,
you know, because you know talking about like, well, you know,
is there is your final judgment set like from the
beginning or is it is it a game time? You
guys have done some game time decisions. I feel like
we're even in the middle of the show, you're like,
you know, I think I'm switching here. This is this
is where I'm at. And I think that's part of
the fun of the show is like, you know, you
get to know you guys. And I've done a plenty
of times where I'm like, oh, I got I got this.
I know what you're picking. This is my prediction on
your final judgment. You know, you guys have been great
where you're like, well, you'll you'll find out in a
couple of weeks. We'll see I like, sometimes I'm right
and sometimes sometimes I'm really wrong, Like like D and
st was fired further from the mark on that one.
Speaker 2: He tell me like a week before He's like, I'm predicting.
D goes hard in on sant Elmo's fire like.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, no, he's you know, the law
school and college years. D is gonna connect with these
guys and he, I mean he shooting from the hip
like it was. Minutes into the episode he lets it
be known. I was just like, whoa, I'm I missed
that one. So yeah, gruy, he's the best. Well, gentlemen,
As we wrap up, i'd like to I'd like you
each to answer one last question without giving any explanation
for your answer. Okay, and D will start with you.
If you could choose one movie or music act to cover.
Knowing that Jason can't say no, what would it be?
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm not a big no sayer, like
I don't say no if you bring it to me.
I'm like, okay, let's.
Speaker 1: Do just no explanations, just this is this is what
we're doing.
Speaker 5: What is it? D? The never ending story?
Speaker 1: Really, I can't imagine he would say no to that.
But Jason, same question, no explanation.
Speaker 2: Hay uh hay huh.
Speaker 5: Versus what that's a good question?
Speaker 2: Dark Crystal?
Speaker 5: I was gonna say it could be Dark Crystal. It
could also be Labyrinth, so roll croll. I feel like
his beast Master is the only matchup.
Speaker 2: So what'd you say? Dark Crystal Labyrinth?
Speaker 5: Yeah? One of those would be the matchup for the
Never Ending Story, I think.
Speaker 1: Or or a three way yeah through the three way fight.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, but yeah, because I don't think that
he's a big fan of the Never Ending Story. But
I really want to cover that movie.
Speaker 1: That's an amazing movie. I guess can't imagine. Well, Kate Peterson, Jason,
you got to say yes to the Never Any Story,
all right? But Jason, same question, Now, no explanations. He
can't say, no, what's the movie or the music matchup
that you would love to do?
Speaker 5: See?
Speaker 2: This is tricky because there are episodes that we haven't
done that I really want to do, but I know
that he's already on board with. Or do I pull
out the trump card and make him do something that
I know he doesn't want to do? Oh no, he
said if if Yeah, So the one that would make
the do for sure.
Speaker 1: So like.
Speaker 2: One that has been burning in my back pocket for
a long time is The Scorpions. And but we've talked
many times about how that will be a super interesting
episode and that he would be on board with doing that.
But I think the one that I'm gonna pull out
that maybe he hasn't heard me say, is I'd love
to cover. I think it's their debut album, Third Eye Blind.
Speaker 1: Okay, so good, good album too, all.
Speaker 2: Right, that album meant a lot to me in the
late nineties, so and I and he's the nineties guy,
but that album I'm a big fan of.
Speaker 1: So well, I'm gonna do this too. I'm gonna, I'm
gonna yeah, I'm gonna do this too. I'm gonna, I'm
gonna take I'm gonna shoot my shot here, I'm gonna
I'm gonna get my answer, even though the question wasn't
to me.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait before you say that we are doing show
Girls versus Strip Teas this summer with.
Speaker 1: You, I am that's already locked up. Man, What the
heck happened? New series? New season? And I'm hey, I
am locked and loaded. I am ready to talk about
show Girls with you, guys. And striped teas for that matter. Yeah,
but uh, I'm gonna I have to give this one
a D like the inspiration because he's having a conversation
at the what I like to call the Shirley manor
where we go to Shirley Fest and he comes up
with this matchup and I'm like, is he out of
his mind? And I'm not going to share the details
because he blew my mind when he started talking about it. Uh, so,
D I'm gonna remind you, I think me and every
other Shirley you can't be serious fan that was in
that house that that weekend we are waiting for the
Cloak and Dagger versus fight Club matchup. And I won't
say anything else, but the just the ten minutes you
you went live with that I was Please give me
the whole episode. I'm ready for it.
Speaker 2: So good one. That's what I got for you.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 1: Guys, listen, this has been a blast. I H I
really appreciate you kind of opening up, open up the
doors and letting us see. You know, how this amazing
show gets made and what goes into it. And you know,
obviously a lot of love, a lot of passion goes
into this, and you know, I hope we're just getting started.
I know that, you know, season seven right around the corner.
I hope we're talking during season seventeen, season twenty seven.
As a as a friend, as a listener, as a
fellow podcaster, thank you for what you guys do.
Speaker 2: Jeff, thanks for your time, man, appreciate you. And I'll
go ahead and say it. I'll go ahead, tease it up.
I'm going to be interviewing you with basically the same
questions for your show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a this was kind of a fun thing, like,
you know, we were talking one day. It's like, you know,
do you ever get a like do you have get
people email on you asking you stuff? Like You're like, huh,
we never talk about that. Or maybe we should do
something like, you know, let's open the hood up and
you know, tinker around under. You know, it's I think
it's a cool idea. So I'm excited to I'm curious
and I'm excited to see what kind of questions you
have for me and the film by podcast. I look
forward to it.
Speaker 2: I must say one more thing. I just want to
say this. If you are out there and you're listening
to us, and you want to start your own podcasts,
and you've got questions or you've got interest, you are
more than welcome to reach out to either one of us.
I'm sure Jeff you'd love to.
Speaker 1: Help you, absolutely please.
Speaker 2: So if you got something you've got cooking you want
to talk to somebody about it, reach out to us.
We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to give a little more of the history.
That's exactly how Jeff got to know us. He sent
us an email and he was like, Hey, I like
what you guys are doing, would you be cool with
calling me? And I was at a soccer game and
I looked and I was like, I got time at
the number, and we started talking and Jeff was my friend.
In the first thirty seconds, I knew that this was
the guy that I was going to keep talking to
for a long time after this. So, yeah, we love.
Speaker 1: That's a big day for me. Dd I. Again, I
can't thank you.
Speaker 5: Enough for that. Just yeah, just nice to make new friends. Man.
Speaker 2: To quote Pat Ganagallo, a stranger is just a friend
you haven't met yet. Love that.
Speaker 1: Love that. Yeah, all right, And lastly, guys, the next
time we hear you guys, what's what's the matchup?
Speaker 2: Okay, Jeff. Next week we are kicking off season seven.
We're going track by track through Ario Speed Wagons high
Infidelity album with our good friend Doug Gray.
Speaker 5: It's about by the way, I found Guest Records.
Speaker 2: Nice and we're matching that up with the Mighty Rush
Moving Pictures and we're covering that with Brad Moore and
Tim Epp from Canada.
Speaker 5: We have our we have a Canadian Canadian.
Speaker 1: Going authentic.
Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You bring that to the pool. You're gonna eat checks?
Speaker 1: Yes, chick magnet right, Yeah, it's got my name on it.
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I know, Jason and d.
Speaker 5: Thanks guys, see you man, thank you, thank you guys.
Speaker 2: The fact that he doesn't like Steve Winwood, I think
it was all pretty pretty spot on.
Speaker 5: The Only way he could have made it worse was
to offer to cover Billy Ocean
Speaker 1: HM oh Man