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<v Speaker 1>Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Friends, and welcome to another Darling Bish Hour with

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<v Speaker 2>our dear friend Amy Phillips. Hi, Amy, friend Melissa Reich, Hi, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you well?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing okay. I have to say this is not

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<v Speaker 3>our normal Kiki time. Even though I know we take

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<v Speaker 3>on some serious topics, this is one that certainly left

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<v Speaker 3>me pretty scarred. I have to say about what we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to discuss, So immediate trigger warning. Melissa will give

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<v Speaker 3>you all those trigger warnings. Momentarily, we may not have

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<v Speaker 3>as many laughs as we normally do.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not, although you know I do love an inappropriate giggle.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I'm going to try my best, especially

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<v Speaker 2>with the mood that I'm in. My brain is just

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<v Speaker 2>like not firing on all cylinders. But Amy is right.

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<v Speaker 2>So today what we're covering is Maternal Instinct on Netflix,

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<v Speaker 2>which is truly one of the darkest, most horrifying documentaries

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<v Speaker 2>that probably I've ever seen. Me too, which puts it

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<v Speaker 2>in perspective because you know, I'm a true crime girl

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<v Speaker 2>and I watch a lot of true crime, but this

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<v Speaker 2>Maternal Instinct. When I watched it, I felt a really

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<v Speaker 2>important need to cover it, but also knew that it

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<v Speaker 2>would be a challenge. Right, We're not talking we're not

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<v Speaker 2>key keying, we're not talking about housewives and something stupid

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<v Speaker 2>that Alicia said. We're talking about very serious psychological issues here.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's a lot for us to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the top, I'm going to give a trigger

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<v Speaker 2>warning that we are going to be talking about, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to be talking about murder.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be talking about specifically death of an

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<v Speaker 2>infant of a mother, and we're going very very violent,

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<v Speaker 2>very disturbing details. We're going to be talking about personality disorders,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I'm going to talk about the difference

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<v Speaker 2>between cluster A, cluster B, cluster C things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just encourage people to use their discretion because what

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<v Speaker 2>we're about to cover it, it's no joke.

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<v Speaker 4>This is there's tints.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that any trigger warning that's ever put out there,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that you should just assume that there's a

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<v Speaker 3>trigger warning for this because it really does, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it covers pretty much everything out there, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>From murder to deceit to just things that a regular

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<v Speaker 2>human brain has trouble processing. All of this, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why I feel called to cover it because so many

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<v Speaker 2>people have asked, you know, why and what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and so.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody's talking about everyone seeing it, and it really is,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, like the number one documentary on Netflix right now,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least this week. And I was shocked by

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<v Speaker 3>the end of this because I did not know this story.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to be completely honest with you, I felt

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<v Speaker 3>so sick to my stomach I almost threw up, that's

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<v Speaker 3>how bad. And truly have done very much of a

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<v Speaker 3>deeper dive past this just to find out more answers

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<v Speaker 3>to some of the questions that I had, because the

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<v Speaker 3>documentary can only cover so much and they did a

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<v Speaker 3>great job, so there were a lot of unanswered questions,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, just details here and there. So I did

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<v Speaker 3>do a little investigating with that, and in doing that,

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<v Speaker 3>I know Melissa has covered so much of the clinical

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<v Speaker 3>aspect of it, and I'm going to be posing questions

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<v Speaker 3>to her just from you know, the viewer perspective, the

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<v Speaker 3>pedestrian perspective as to what maybe you guys would be

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<v Speaker 3>asking someone like Melissa, since she's got an amazing background

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<v Speaker 3>and truly has her finger on the pulse of all this,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm very interested. I think that this was an

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<v Speaker 3>awakening for me on many respects in terms of personality disorders. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>this was a huge awakening for me to understand what

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<v Speaker 3>this is. And it also became a personal thing for

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<v Speaker 3>me because I know someone who has personality disorders much

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<v Speaker 3>like this, and I never understood how serious that can be,

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<v Speaker 3>and now I feel like I am getting it. So

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<v Speaker 3>for that, that's why I am grateful for these types

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<v Speaker 3>of documentaries and covering these things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Wow, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that I'll say is like everyone experiences

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<v Speaker 2>personality disorders differently, and I look at everything clinically on

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<v Speaker 2>a spectrum from not problematic on one side to pathological

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<v Speaker 2>on the other. And for me, you know, who has

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<v Speaker 2>worked with people in practice treating personality disorders and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, this case, to me is it's very intense

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like nothing I've ever even watched or seen before.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, let's get into it with I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>share a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to share the synopsis, yes and synopsis yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Also for people listening to this, if you haven't watched

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<v Speaker 2>Maternal Instinct, please know we're about to tell you what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are I don't even to call them spoilers,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not like this is not like great entertainment,

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<v Speaker 2>right you how to describe it?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean? You're gonna know what happened

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<v Speaker 4>in this story by the end of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to tell you what happened. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to know, tune out watch Maternal Instinct and

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<v Speaker 2>come back, okay you or don't watch it, or literally

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<v Speaker 2>don't all yeah and just listen to this because I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely know that there is some people, especially if you've

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<v Speaker 2>struggled with infant loss or child loss, this can be

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<v Speaker 2>very triggering to fox. Yes, yes, the synopsis Netflix. Maternal

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<v Speaker 2>Instinct is a harrowing true crime documentary detailing the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty murder of twenty one year old Reagan Simmons Hancock

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<v Speaker 2>in New Boston, Texas, which, by the way, New Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>Texas is a very small town. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a population of fifteen hundred people. So it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>noting because you know, things like this typically don't happen

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<v Speaker 2>in very but dangerous people live among us, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the scary thing and also important to know

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<v Speaker 2>So continuing with the synopsis, it chronicles the chilling links

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<v Speaker 2>to which Taylor Parker went to maintain an elaborate fake pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 2>which culminated in her brutally murdering Hancock and surgically removing

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<v Speaker 2>her unborn baby.

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<v Speaker 4>To pass off as her own.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll give you a little bit of the case

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<v Speaker 2>background and then we can start talking a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about it. So the deception was this woman named Taylor Parker.

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<v Speaker 2>She faked a pregnancy for months to deceive her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>Wade Griffin. Her elaborate ruse included fake culture sounds, a

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<v Speaker 2>maternity photoshoot, and a gender reveal party. The crime took

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<v Speaker 2>place in October twenty twenty. Taylor Parker attacked her friend,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one year old expectant mother, Reagan Simmons Hancock, in

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<v Speaker 2>her home. Taylor Parker murdered Hancock and cut her feetus

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<v Speaker 2>from her womb while her child was in the next bedroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I added that because there's another level of pathology

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<v Speaker 2>and antisocial behavior that goes to that this woman killed,

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<v Speaker 2>this woman, cut her baby out and took the baby

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<v Speaker 2>and left the child there just disgusting. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>aftermath was hours later, Parker was pulled over by Texas

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<v Speaker 2>State Police hysterically claiming she had just given birth on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the road. When they got to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>medical professionals quickly determined she had not been pregnant. And

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<v Speaker 2>so with the overview of this documentary is that the

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<v Speaker 2>film uses police bodycam and dash cam footage, hospital interactions,

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<v Speaker 2>and interviews with investigators to piece together Parker's devastating web

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<v Speaker 2>of lies and ensuing police investigation. And what I appreciated

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<v Speaker 2>about this is that rather than sensationalizing Taylor the murderer,

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<v Speaker 2>the documentary really focused in the second half on the victims,

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<v Speaker 2>the victim's family. They interviewed Reagan's mom, her sister, her stepfather,

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<v Speaker 2>and they talked about how they navigated this tragedy. And

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<v Speaker 2>so before we start talking about it, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to say that a lot of true crime docs get

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<v Speaker 2>it wrong. I believe this one really got it right

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of doing right by the victim and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the family and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So where should we start, amy, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think one interesting part of the documentary was that there

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<v Speaker 3>were interviews with all the people that you said, but

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<v Speaker 3>also people that knew Taylor Parker when she was younger,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were the ones who were aware of how dangerous,

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe not so dangerous as they could have ever anticipated,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were aware that she put on fake personalities.

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<v Speaker 3>She would adapt to other people's stories and them her own.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a pathological liar. She was constantly saying there

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<v Speaker 3>was there were things that were wrong with her. She

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<v Speaker 3>was saying that she had cancer, that she had a stroke,

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<v Speaker 3>that she had ms. She had a multitude of problems

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<v Speaker 3>and issues throughout her life. And so these are some

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<v Speaker 3>of the earlier friends that she had, maybe in middle

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<v Speaker 3>school through high school, that were speaking to that. So

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<v Speaker 3>they knew her very well. They were not in touch anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's interesting to hear their testimonies about her because

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<v Speaker 3>Facebook is a place where they're all watching some of

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff happen, with the pregnancy photos and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And the biggest aha was that Taylor Parker couldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>kids anymore because she had a hysterectomy right right.

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<v Speaker 4>And she had been married.

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<v Speaker 2>What's so bizarre about this whole case is that as

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<v Speaker 2>we unravel some of the details, it gets to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where you're like, well, how on earth did she

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<v Speaker 2>expect this to end. And so many people became aware

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<v Speaker 2>of the grift because the friends that you mentioned, Mackenzie

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<v Speaker 2>and Abby were the two friends that were interviewed, and

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<v Speaker 2>to me, they gave the best insight into Taylor. Because

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<v Speaker 2>personality disorders, they're present in childhood, but they really form

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<v Speaker 2>and solidify in early adolescence and early adulthood. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I find it fascinating when before the disorder presents, there's

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<v Speaker 2>behaviors that we see. And the behaviors that Mackenzie and

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<v Speaker 2>Abby talked about were what you mentioned that she had

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<v Speaker 2>always said that one of them said she stayed sick.

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<v Speaker 2>She was sick all the time. She said she had cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, you had MS and she had a hysterectomy.

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<v Speaker 2>So the other people that participated in this Northeast Texas

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<v Speaker 2>Women's House Center and they knew they saw the post,

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<v Speaker 2>but they couldn't break hippo laws. So they were in

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<v Speaker 2>a really tenuous situation right right.

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<v Speaker 3>And the story kind of begins with this, well what

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor always probably wanted, which was this love story of

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<v Speaker 3>being with someone and having a baby. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>Wade who she got with, and that's where the story

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<v Speaker 3>really takes flight before that, and we know nothing much

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<v Speaker 3>about this at all. But she was married twice and

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<v Speaker 3>she has two kids, of which she does not have

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<v Speaker 3>custody of. This takes place in Texas when she met

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<v Speaker 3>this man, Wade. I think they met at a rodeo.

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<v Speaker 3>She said she wanted to they vote for land because

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<v Speaker 3>she claimed that she had oil money.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, yeah, she was an all Heirs, honey.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, according to her, she was an all Airs. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they met at the twenty nineteen rodeo and she was

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<v Speaker 2>telling Wade and everybody her family was rich and she

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<v Speaker 2>was an heerding well that her grandmother was a multimillionaire

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<v Speaker 2>eight million dollars. And basically she approached Wade and was like,

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<v Speaker 2>here's what I can give you. And then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, she was buying cars, cattle, side by sides, tractors, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I know not everyone is going to

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<v Speaker 2>know what those things are, but those things are very

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<v Speaker 2>large pieces of equipment. And one of the biggest early

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<v Speaker 2>red flags was she Taylor bought Wade's mom a car

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<v Speaker 2>and posted it on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh she posted that, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to me, Facebook is a really integral part of

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook that is like at tension seeking folks who are like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, something's wrong with me every five seconds, prayers,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a grift or paradise on Facebook, if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being honest, and I think that, and then that

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>But to your point is that when she met Wade

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<v Speaker 2>and she told him all this stuff and they got together,

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<v Speaker 2>she really didn't see the kids a lot, Like, they

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the info that you got Amy, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other background info tells us what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't, haven't. I haven't come across any of that.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was very strange to the family that she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have custody and it was noticed. But only after

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<v Speaker 3>one month of Wade and Taylor dating did she start saying,

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<v Speaker 3>my mother, she's trying to take this money from me.

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<v Speaker 3>She's trying to sabotage my life. She's trying to put

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<v Speaker 3>a hit out on me, she's trying to kill me.

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<v Speaker 3>We'd be safer if we lived with you, Wade. So

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<v Speaker 3>she moved in with Wade. She sold all of her stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't have a lot of stuff to sell, No,

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<v Speaker 3>she sure didn't. Sure because Wade's mom noticed that Wade's mom.

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<v Speaker 3>There were a couple other people interviewed in this one,

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<v Speaker 3>the mother of Wade, some friends of Wade, a real

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<v Speaker 3>estate agent, and one of Taylor's ex bosses.

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<v Speaker 4>And Reagan's mom right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Reagan's mom, Jessica, her sister, Emily, her stepfather, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they really got a great cross section amazing folks

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<v Speaker 2>to tell the story. It wasn't just like one person's side,

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<v Speaker 2>It was so many people's side.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just so well done, so well done.

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<v Speaker 3>So after she moved in with Wade, this is when

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<v Speaker 3>things really started to escalate, and escalate quickly with the

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<v Speaker 3>lies about all the money. I saw this later that

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<v Speaker 3>she pretended that she had a miscarriage with Wade early on.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember hearing that in the documentary. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not exactly sure if that's true. But then she

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<v Speaker 3>said that she was pregnant and.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally she did not have a uterus or cervix. It

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<v Speaker 2>was removed the doctors that removed it confirmed them. They

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<v Speaker 2>were interviewed, and it was after that that she claimed

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<v Speaker 2>she remembers she went to one of Wade's family members

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<v Speaker 2>who was a chiropractor, and she said, I feel in

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<v Speaker 2>my spirit that I'm pregnant. And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be the.

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<v Speaker 4>Only place you could feel it, lady, because that's yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's nothing going on.

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<v Speaker 3>And when she actually had the hysterectomy, apparently there was

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<v Speaker 3>some trauma that happened where like she had an ectopic pregnancy, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and she had her tubes tied, okay, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she came back because she had pain, and

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<v Speaker 2>they found it was like, despite having whatever surgery she had,

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<v Speaker 2>she had an ectopic pregnancy, which would have been fatal

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<v Speaker 2>if they didn't take care of it. And then she

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<v Speaker 2>also had like a sister or something. It was some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a real medical thing, not one that she

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<v Speaker 2>made up, because she did make up a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>medical things, which, by the way, you are always going

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<v Speaker 2>to see that in Grifters. There is some form of

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<v Speaker 2>like a people used to call it Munchausen disorder, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was just an inaccurate name. Munchausen interestingly enough, it

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<v Speaker 2>was named after this guy Baron Munchausen who just told

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<v Speaker 2>tall tales. But it's really called factitious disorder, either impost

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<v Speaker 2>on self or impost on others. And it's essentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>making things up, making yourself sick, or making up medical records,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor shopping, doctor hopping to try to get the diagnoses

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<v Speaker 2>that you want to have. And this particular characteristic the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I'm pointing it out, it's present in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of scammers.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's interesting, interesting, Okay, it's kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Of a red fly.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, it just it kind of just go. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>free with with purchase. It just is there with the kid,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter what. That's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, on top of that situation, when she did get

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<v Speaker 3>that a topic pregnancy, she was married at that time,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd believe her second husband, and for some reason maybe

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, she had been under for surgery, but

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<v Speaker 3>they made a decision without her to have a full hysterectomy.

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<v Speaker 3>The husband made that decision for.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>You just okay, that's the last piece of the puzzle

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<v Speaker 2>that I did not understand. Yeah, okay, so the husband

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<v Speaker 2>decided for her. Yes, Oh, and I believe that's correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm leaving, you know, a little bit of elbow

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<v Speaker 3>room for me being wrong, but that's I know that

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<v Speaker 3>she said that, and I know that that has been

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<v Speaker 3>out there and stated in other publications and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So that being said, she currently is using I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know the name that she called it fetal abduction syndrome,

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<v Speaker 3>something like that. I don't know, you might be able

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<v Speaker 3>to tweak the words, but it's something that has to

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<v Speaker 3>do with fetal and syndrome and when you try to

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<v Speaker 3>take someone else's baby. That she is saying that that

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<v Speaker 3>is what she had because of the trauma that she

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<v Speaker 3>experienced with her hysterectomy. Well, of course she's going to say,

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<v Speaker 3>saying in from prison, right of course. And she's also

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<v Speaker 3>saying that being in prison it's like a whole new life.

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<v Speaker 3>She's so glad this happened because now she can try

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<v Speaker 3>and help people and bring awareness to this syndrome. Yeah, Amy,

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<v Speaker 3>oh no, it's it's so messed up. But anyway, getting

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<v Speaker 3>back to we're gonna call some.

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<v Speaker 4>Bull sheet on that number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I'd like to say I survived O Varing cancer

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<v Speaker 2>when I was seventeen and I also woke up to

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<v Speaker 2>people telling me that my things were gone, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was seventeen years old, and I've never tried to steal

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<v Speaker 2>a baby.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just saying, well, there you go, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joking and I'm laughing of course, but like I

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<v Speaker 2>since you are understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Person to be able to speak on that, So thank you, Melissa,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Professionally, it's like, I've never you know, gone and try

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<v Speaker 2>to steal a baby or murder anyone. It's just like

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<v Speaker 2>people like her, they'll come up with any excuse for

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<v Speaker 2>why it's not their fault. And we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this later in terms of like how personality disorder

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<v Speaker 2>is different from mental illness because that is the response

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<v Speaker 2>of someone who is committed to themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's about it. So yes, that's insane. Yeah yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one of the other things that I found out,

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<v Speaker 3>not in this documentary but in other places is that

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<v Speaker 3>her ex husband contacted Wade and told him that she

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<v Speaker 3>has had a hysterectomy and she cannot have kids. He

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<v Speaker 3>contacted him, and there is a current civil lawsuit for

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<v Speaker 3>Reagan's family suing Wade for basically like willful ignorance because

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<v Speaker 3>of these temps, which is really yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so to be clear about what Amy's saying is

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<v Speaker 2>that for people who feel bad for Wade Griffin, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>told him. Mackenzie and Abby they ended up knowing like

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of the family. They told Wade's mother, who

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<v Speaker 2>told Wade that Taylor can't be pregnant, she has had

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<v Speaker 2>a hysterectomy.

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<v Speaker 4>She neglects the children that she.

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<v Speaker 2>Does have, which, by the way, for someone with these problems,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want the child. They don't want to parent,

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<v Speaker 2>they want like to present a child. But then like,

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<v Speaker 2>parenting is the polar opposite of what they're usually looking for,

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<v Speaker 2>because parenting is, you know, it's not glamorous. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get attention for the day to day ins

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<v Speaker 2>and outs of tough parenting. She wanted the attention, she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted the spectacle, she wanted the gender reveal and the

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<v Speaker 2>baby stuff, but she didn't actually want.

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<v Speaker 4>To raise a child, right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But to go back to what I was saying, is

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<v Speaker 2>that Mackenzie and Abbey told Wade. Wade's mother told Wade.

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<v Speaker 2>Corey and Stephanie Ott, who were friends of Wade, told

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<v Speaker 2>Wade they begged him, they pleaded with him, she is

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<v Speaker 2>not pregnant. She is lying, she is making this up.

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<v Speaker 2>And so to your point, there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>wilful ignorance and listen.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was wearing this big pregnancy belly and he

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<v Speaker 3>never saw her belly. He never asked to see it,

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<v Speaker 3>or if he did, her excuses were, I don't feel

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable in my body, I'm insecure, and so for literally

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<v Speaker 3>ten months ten ten never forced his way to see

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<v Speaker 3>this actual belly.

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<v Speaker 2>People were talking about that too, because there were photos

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<v Speaker 2>of her that at times she would have this belly

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<v Speaker 2>and at times she wouldn't. But do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>know the one really interesting piece, Amy, while I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of it, if you notice something Taylor Parker in every

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<v Speaker 2>picture that they show of her, she looks different.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know that, Alissa? I was going to say

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing. I have been dying to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you about this. I can't figure out her face or

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<v Speaker 3>what she looks like. And that to me is the

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<v Speaker 3>most bizarre part, considering that she isn't the person you

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<v Speaker 3>think she is. Every single photo, every mugs, everyone, every video.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything, it's like not the same person.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that I'm being very mindful of how I

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<v Speaker 2>say things here because I want to be really clear

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<v Speaker 2>about something before I move forward. Is that I am

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<v Speaker 2>not diagnosing Taylor Parker. I am using her case and

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<v Speaker 2>looking at symptomatology almost like a case study, to say,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the disorders that could fit this. I am not

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosing her with anything. I just want to be really clear.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I attribute that to is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>she had such a distorted sense of self. She had

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<v Speaker 2>no self esteem, no self awareness, no self cut It

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<v Speaker 2>was just so distorted that I believe her disconnect with

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<v Speaker 2>self was so severe that it came across in every

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<v Speaker 2>single picture of her. And we're not joking. Every jail

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<v Speaker 2>interview before she was arrested, after she was arrested, even

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<v Speaker 2>her court appearances, every single time she looks different. And

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that it is indicative of the disorders that

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about, these these personality problems that are lifelong,

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<v Speaker 2>that are fixed, and you know, our bodies and our

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<v Speaker 2>minds are one.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've never seen this.

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<v Speaker 2>Before real, but it was something I've never seen it

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<v Speaker 2>in person. But it stands to reason that because she

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<v Speaker 2>feasted on other people's lives, because she didn't have her own.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like her friend's. Mackenzie and Abbey said it was

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<v Speaker 2>like she feasted on other people's lives to get more

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<v Speaker 2>information about her grift so she could, like she learned

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<v Speaker 2>from her boss, like who had like a child loss,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she learned from her friend who had a pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 2>and and she just took pieces from these people's lives

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<v Speaker 2>and pasted them together to form her own life, which

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<v Speaker 2>is inherently indicative of personality disordered kind of characteristics. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I think that is all about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, wow, wow, wow.

423
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<v Speaker 3>I am so glad you brought it up because I'm thinking,

424
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.400
<v Speaker 3>am I just the only one seeing this?

425
00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.160
<v Speaker 4>Because this is crazy to me.

426
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<v Speaker 2>It was so pronounced that I'm going to tell you

427
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.880
<v Speaker 2>my husband, who is not the most observant fella on

428
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<v Speaker 2>the planet, you know, straight man, I'm.

429
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<v Speaker 4>Going to be honest.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Their perception, their observational skills are a little bit lacking

431
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<v Speaker 2>no offense. I'm sure I don't know how many straight

432
00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:24.359
<v Speaker 2>men listen to the show. Maybe there's one. If there's one,

433
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<v Speaker 2>thank you for being here.

434
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<v Speaker 4>But you are very perceptive.

435
00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:35.440
<v Speaker 2>But my husband even said he goes to me. Why

436
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>does she look different in every picture, and I was like, wow,

437
00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.319
<v Speaker 2>even you noticed it, that's pretty good. Yeah, so it's

438
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:45.319
<v Speaker 2>pretty significantly Even he noticed it.

439
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Gosh, that's wild. Okay, well thanks for pointing that out.

440
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:50.240
<v Speaker 3>That's nuts.

441
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:53.920
<v Speaker 2>So should she did five thousand internet searches based on

442
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.359
<v Speaker 2>court evidence that they showed a.

443
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<v Speaker 4>Few of them in the documentary.

444
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<v Speaker 2>In the documentary, and I wrote some of them down

445
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.359
<v Speaker 2>because I felt that they were so fascinating, so she

446
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:10.759
<v Speaker 2>would go. So Wade was willfully ignorant and because of that,

447
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I believe these deaths happened, and I believe that they

448
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:17.200
<v Speaker 2>were preventable, but he just wasn't. I'm going to be honest.

449
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Wade was more interested in the money, yes,

450
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.160
<v Speaker 2>and trying to have a better life. And listen, I'm

451
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.359
<v Speaker 2>not judging Wade because there's a piece of it that

452
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.119
<v Speaker 2>it's like being whatever you want to call it, in

453
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.440
<v Speaker 2>a lower socioeconomic status, being a hard working, blue collar person.

454
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<v Speaker 2>I understand that this promise it hooked him in, but

455
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>she did that on purpose. Yes, so Wade is a

456
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.759
<v Speaker 2>victim too, but unfortunately he engaged in behaviors that it

457
00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:47.200
<v Speaker 2>muddied those waters a little.

458
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<v Speaker 3>Do you completely agree, and I think that she chose

459
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<v Speaker 3>him for a reason. Clearly, he's very ignorant, very dim.

460
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<v Speaker 3>His reaction not observant, not observant at all, and sent

461
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<v Speaker 3>to a lot. For example, when he was told in

462
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:09.640
<v Speaker 3>the interrogation room by the investigator's police officer that there

463
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 3>was a murder and that she took the baby, and

464
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.759
<v Speaker 3>so on and so forth, his reaction was, my parents,

465
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.920
<v Speaker 3>I should have listened to my family. And it wasn't

466
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<v Speaker 3>at all like she killed somebody like. It was more

467
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.319
<v Speaker 3>about I should have listened to my parents. It was

468
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:28.720
<v Speaker 3>a very odd reaction, and I know that that's shock

469
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 3>I would imagine, but even still, I haven't really seen

470
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of his remorse towards the victim themselves. And

471
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.079
<v Speaker 3>that was weird, right, That.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Was weird to me too, And I didn't love that.

473
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<v Speaker 2>When he was interviewed, he was very a man of

474
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<v Speaker 2>few words. He didn't show a lot of empathy towards

475
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<v Speaker 2>the victims. Now that doesn't mean he doesn't feel it.

476
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.079
<v Speaker 2>He just seems like a man of few words and

477
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.799
<v Speaker 2>maybe not as expressive as one might expect.

478
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<v Speaker 3>So it took you know, hold of him later and

479
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.200
<v Speaker 3>which where he did seem pretty overcome with emotion at

480
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.960
<v Speaker 3>the end. And he also said, I think it was

481
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 3>like the last thing in the documentary, which was him saying,

482
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.599
<v Speaker 3>I think she wanted me to tell her I loved her,

483
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 3>but I never did.

484
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, And so then you have to ask yourself the question, well,

485
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>what was the endgame and why did she do all

486
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.319
<v Speaker 2>this for a man that she knew didn't love her.

487
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.000
<v Speaker 4>But that is the reason, because.

488
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<v Speaker 2>A healthy individual, right, they wouldn't choose a person who

489
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.799
<v Speaker 2>wasn't into them. They would say, oh, this person's not

490
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>into me, let me move on into a better relationship.

491
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<v Speaker 2>But someone with her characteristics, she also has a lot

492
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<v Speaker 2>of antisocial characteristics, meaning she you know, criminality, like at

493
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<v Speaker 2>the end of the at the end of the episode,

494
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:49.200
<v Speaker 2>we learned that, you know, she had thirty aliases. She

495
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 2>tried to buy twenty million dollars of real estate, making

496
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:57.640
<v Speaker 2>up people like lawyers, bankers and uncle things like that.

497
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<v Speaker 3>And I just mentioned the Yeah, here's the little dark

498
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 3>humor for you. So she said that you know she

499
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:10.440
<v Speaker 3>had oil money Shell right, So the letters that she

500
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 3>wrote to the real estate agent on behalf of the

501
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 3>Shell oil company or the representative who gives her the

502
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:18.759
<v Speaker 3>oil royalties.

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00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 4>Her name was.

504
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Shelley Shelley, and her lawyer I think his last name

505
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.079
<v Speaker 3>was like Lawlesson or something lawless.

506
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah.

507
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 3>It reminded me of like Arrested Development when he's like,

508
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm bob blah blaw.

509
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.119
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's just you can't.

510
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 3>That's how someone like her must keep things straight because

511
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:43.039
<v Speaker 3>she can remember her lies because she's making them so

512
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 3>easy to remember the name. But yes, and you know,

513
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.240
<v Speaker 3>moving on to your point, she had apps that disguised

514
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 3>her voice that I mean distorted her voice, that she

515
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.920
<v Speaker 3>could make these phone calls. She had burner phones, she

516
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 3>had so many n She had a blocking app that

517
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.440
<v Speaker 3>where you could block your IP address. I mean, yeah,

518
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 3>this is where it gets complex. And you think that

519
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 3>she's just some you know Texan. I mean if you

520
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 3>were to just you know, slap a you know, an

521
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:18.960
<v Speaker 3>empty label on her, you'd just be like, this is

522
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.480
<v Speaker 3>just some Texas crazy woman. It's like no, Actually, it's

523
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.759
<v Speaker 3>so layered to inplexities of her diabolical behavior and the

524
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.480
<v Speaker 3>work that she actually did to pull this all off.

525
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 3>And Melissa, as we said, this town forty five hundred people.

526
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>No, fifteen hundred, shut up fifteen hundred, fifteen hundred, Yeah, yeah,

527
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>New Boston, Texas fifteen hundred.

528
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's very smoh it's waste fifteen I thought. Okay,

529
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 3>so the doctors saw her Facebook post. Now that's gonna

530
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 3>tell you how small this town is. Right if they

531
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.920
<v Speaker 3>saw her pregnancy photos, shoot you know what I'm saying.

532
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 4>And they're like, hippa, we can't say anything.

533
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then people would call, like Wade's family would

534
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>call and they would say, well, we can't give you information,

535
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>but I would trust your gut.

536
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:13.799
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, that's right.

537
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>That's what Wade's mom and his aunt and some friends like,

538
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.599
<v Speaker 2>they all got that information and they called every place

539
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 2>that she claimed to go to, and they all had

540
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 2>the same thing to say to her.

541
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

542
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 2>So it's like everybody knew, but the only person who

543
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>could do anything about it Wade literally until the police

544
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>told him she murdered someone and cut her baby out

545
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and claimed to be her own it. Literally, it's like

546
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>the light bulb didn't go on, which is just like, oh.

547
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.440
<v Speaker 4>My gosh, that's insane, not at all.

548
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.640
<v Speaker 3>She's texting us like she's texting Wade as her mother

549
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.599
<v Speaker 3>saying oh horrible, faster her push her down the stairs

550
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 3>so you can be free.

551
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:58.599
<v Speaker 4>She'll probably kill herself.

552
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Which by the way, she was, and I think that

553
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:04.279
<v Speaker 2>was her projection. So this is what I took a

554
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 2>note on, is that when she was pretending to be

555
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.799
<v Speaker 2>her mom trying to tell Wade, like I wrote it here,

556
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 2>she would say to herself like calling herself like a

557
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>fat bitch, but like pretending it wasn't her that was

558
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 2>saying it. And so my belief about that is she

559
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>was projecting how bad she really fell into these texts.

560
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.599
<v Speaker 2>It was almost like another way for that personality component

561
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>to come in, if that makes sense.

562
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 3>It completely makes sense. She even like told on herself

563
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 3>by saying like she's she'll kill herself like she's tried

564
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 3>to she'll kind of kill herself like she's tried to

565
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.240
<v Speaker 3>do before, which we didn't we don't really know about

566
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.240
<v Speaker 3>and we don't really know if that's true.

567
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, people with these personality styles, let me put it

568
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>this way, they care too much about themselves to usually

569
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>do something like that. Like people who are highly narcissistic

570
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 2>or have a lot of narcissistic traits and tendencies, they'll

571
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<v Speaker 2>kill somebody before they ever take their own life usually

572
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>for the most part. I mean, there's definitely exceptions to

573
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 2>the rule, but again I think that was just that

574
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>was her ploy for attention. And you know I need

575
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.160
<v Speaker 2>to be taken care of. Wade needs to take care

576
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>of me.

577
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Think of a time when you could have used therapy.

578
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.359
<v Speaker 3>Think of a time when you were in a real pickle,

579
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 3>maybe a breakup, maybe a burnout, crash out, major anxiety stress.

580
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 3>Well you get where I'm going with this. But you

581
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.799
<v Speaker 3>wanted a therapist, and you wanted it right then, but

582
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:44.079
<v Speaker 3>you found it impossible to find a therapist online who

583
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.720
<v Speaker 3>took your insurance. Well, you know, affordable and accessible mental

584
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.839
<v Speaker 3>health care shouldn't be out of reach, but too often

585
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 3>it is. Have you ever used your insurance to cover

586
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.119
<v Speaker 3>your physical health, so why shouldn't it also cover your

587
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:01.160
<v Speaker 3>mental health. Rula makes sure it does love therapy, you.

588
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 4>Know I do.

589
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.039
<v Speaker 3>And there are a lot of online therapy platforms that

590
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<v Speaker 3>actually fall short. Many don't work with insurance at all,

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<v Speaker 3>which means you're stuck paying the full cost out of pocket.

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<v Speaker 3>No one likes out of pocket or paying for an

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<v Speaker 3>at a price that actually makes sense. Rula knows that

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<v Speaker 3>If I had a cash app back in the nineties

609
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<v Speaker 3>when I was a teen, I could have been so

610
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<v Speaker 3>financially smart and independent. I would have been able to

611
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<v Speaker 3>afford my own discman. I could have bought all the

612
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<v Speaker 3>Depeche Mode CDs I wanted. I could buy Lava lamps,

613
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you name it.

614
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<v Speaker 4>Scrunchies.

615
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<v Speaker 3>You guys, I would have been so awesome financially, it's

616
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<v Speaker 3>not even funny, but that didn't exist. But guess what

617
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<v Speaker 3>for all the parents out there with teenagers, we know

618
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<v Speaker 3>you're already trying to keep a million different things under control.

619
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<v Speaker 3>So cash app is here to make sure your teen's

620
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<v Speaker 3>money and their spending isn't adding to that craziness. Cash

621
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<v Speaker 3>app is designed to meet teens aged thirteen to seventeen

622
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<v Speaker 3>where they are with intuitive educational tools. This is available

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<v Speaker 3>through sponsorship by an eligible parent or guardian. Teens gain

624
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<v Speaker 3>access to a personalized cash App card that comes in

625
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<v Speaker 3>different colors and patterns to fit their style, and the

626
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<v Speaker 3>ability to instantly access money from family and friends. How

627
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<v Speaker 3>cool is that cash app makes managing money feel easier

628
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<v Speaker 3>and just honestly super cool then other options out there.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what I love about it. It can help

630
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<v Speaker 3>teens develop real world financial habits in a space that's

631
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<v Speaker 3>safe and easy to navigate with all of your oversight

632
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<v Speaker 3>and approval. Say your teens getting their first job, well,

633
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<v Speaker 3>cash app can get them access to their paychecks up

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<v Speaker 2>Even though it's like it's weird because she was doing

654
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.639
<v Speaker 2>all the things. She was cooking dinner, she was mowing

655
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 2>the yard, but it's like that's how she got him

656
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 2>because the only thing that he cared about was that

657
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 2>like the things that she did, like yes, coming home

658
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 2>to a home cook meal and then she would bake

659
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 2>a pie or whatever, and then he just wouldn't ask

660
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 2>any questions. And you know, he was a simple man,

661
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 2>and she knew use this simple but to spoon feed

662
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 2>him to get him to participate in this.

663
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 4>And she charmed his whole family.

664
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, this whole family immediately where they were like,

665
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:13.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, marry this one.

666
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 4>She's great. She came on with this great personality. Right,

667
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.119
<v Speaker 4>one is not sure? Yeah.

668
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And listen, I'm not saying are you saying no,

669
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I just want to be clear. She multiple personality disorder

670
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>is a so it's basically called dissociative identity disorder.

671
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying she has that.

672
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I believe that she has various personality disorders, but not

673
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 2>dissociative identity disorder. No, those people aren't aware. It's not purposeful.

674
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:47.599
<v Speaker 2>There's not ego, there's not narcissism. That's that's a whole

675
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>other thing.

676
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a whole other thing.

677
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>And I get what you're saying, because it's like she

678
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 3>is choosing to play this role. Yes, it's a choice

679
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.000
<v Speaker 3>to be this type of personality during this moment to

680
00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 3>get what she wants.

681
00:37:59.119 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 4>Correct.

682
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, very antisocial, very I'm gonna use crime and aliases

683
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 2>and lies to get my needs met. And I don't

684
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>care who I have to step over or step on

685
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 2>or hurt or kill, because it's only about what she

686
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.440
<v Speaker 2>wants at the end of the day.

687
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.719
<v Speaker 3>Now, Melissa, Oh, one thing, by the way, this is

688
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.880
<v Speaker 3>happening during COVID, which is a g which is great

689
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.599
<v Speaker 3>for her because that's why Wade couldn't go to any

690
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 3>of the doctor's appointments right for her pregnancy because she's like, Oh,

691
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 3>you can't come, it's COVID, Okay. So I just want

692
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.760
<v Speaker 3>to put that out there. What I found extremely fascinating

693
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 3>was there were no priors, She had no record. How

694
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.679
<v Speaker 3>is that possible at this point in her life.

695
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you.

696
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Because women who have these personality issues are typically able

697
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>to get off the hook, because this is where the

698
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.639
<v Speaker 2>patriarchy and misogyny actually helps women who are inherently problematic.

699
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Because she looked kind of like, I don't know, like

700
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 2>cute girl, you know what I mean.

701
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 4>Like she was just like a regular gal.

702
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 2>She looked kind of cute and because she was able

703
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>to be such a manipulator, people would know, Like her

704
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 2>friends would talk about these weren't the first lies she told.

705
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Like she was a liar basically since birth. Her mother

706
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 2>said that she's just like always lied. Her friends Mackenzie

707
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 2>and Abby said she mimicked people. She would ask girls

708
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 2>for nudes to catfish guys when she was like in

709
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 2>high school. And so my point being is these behaviors

710
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>were there, but women who are con artists tend to

711
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>get away with it for a long time because they're

712
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 2>viewed as the fairer sex. Or a woman couldn't possibly

713
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>do this, or she doesn't look like she could do

714
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.599
<v Speaker 2>something like this, and that's how dangerous women maneuver all

715
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:50.039
<v Speaker 2>the time.

716
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.239
<v Speaker 3>And on that note, you know she was married two times,

717
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.719
<v Speaker 3>she didn't have custody of her kids, and we don't

718
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 3>know what happened there, but clearly not fit when she

719
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:04.920
<v Speaker 3>gets with Wade, Why and how did things escalate so quickly,

720
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:10.320
<v Speaker 3>literally over eleven months, ten months maybe to where she

721
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 3>became a photographer on the side to do like family photos.

722
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 3>And that's how she met the victim, Reagan, who was

723
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:23.559
<v Speaker 3>getting married and she found Taylor, probably through Facebook. Friendly

724
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 3>said this is a friendly and expensive this and not

725
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.719
<v Speaker 3>a professional photographer.

726
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 2>What but Taylor's the photographer at Reagan's wedding, which is

727
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.039
<v Speaker 2>so gross.

728
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 3>Or your engagement photos right, and befriends. She did this

729
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:50.000
<v Speaker 3>to Reagan, she sought her out to continue that friendship.

730
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 3>To me, this was a long con Okay in my opinion, yes,

731
00:40:55.239 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 3>but to your point, it happened so quickly because manipulated

732
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 3>it to do that so that he didn't have time

733
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:05.920
<v Speaker 3>to think.

734
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.360
<v Speaker 4>So this is what I wrote down, like, how did

735
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 4>this happen? Okay? So the first step was my mom's crazy.

736
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 4>I need to move in with you for protection, okay, Okay.

737
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Then the second thing was I'll give you everything you want.

738
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh have dinner ready, I'll mow the lawn, I'll take

739
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 2>care of the animals, I'll pull my weight. Number three,

740
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 2>I have money and I will buy your love. And

741
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>then number four rushing, It doesn't give you time to think.

742
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 2>With intimate partner violence or domestic violent scenarios, you'll often

743
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>find these very rush timelines because people a sometimes they're

744
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.119
<v Speaker 2>not capable of faking it for long enough, and they

745
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 2>want to really get their grift in Wow, but b

746
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a mechanism to prevent people from thinking about the

747
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:51.199
<v Speaker 2>decisions that they're making.

748
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 4>Wow, Wow rushing yep.

749
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 2>So you know, and unfortunately Reagan. You know, Jessica mother

750
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.719
<v Speaker 2>really advocated for her in this documentary and she just

751
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>said that Reagan was a beautiful soul, someone who loved

752
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 2>other people and wanted to be there for people.

753
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 4>Who didn't have others. And Taylor knew that.

754
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 2>She picked her victim unfortunately, extremely well, which tells me

755
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:23.280
<v Speaker 2>she has skills that are again antisocial in nature of

756
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.440
<v Speaker 2>like predators. They can sniff out weaknesses and others. It's

757
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 2>like nothing I've ever seen before. It's like a sixth sense.

758
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:34.159
<v Speaker 2>They're so scarily good at it. And I think that's

759
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>something that Taylor understood. In fact, Taylor sought her out,

760
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 2>I think the night before she killed her and they

761
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 2>went out to dinner. They spent time together. And to me,

762
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:50.079
<v Speaker 2>again that's very indicative of like an antisocial lack of empathy,

763
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:54.800
<v Speaker 2>because how so she hung out with Reagan, knew what

764
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 2>she was going to do the next day, went home

765
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 2>and got a fitfull night of sleep, and then went

766
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 2>took the baby and left her child that it's just

767
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:06.320
<v Speaker 2>so it's so predatory. I guess I just want to

768
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:07.400
<v Speaker 2>be really clear about that.

769
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.719
<v Speaker 3>That makes so much sense, and it is my understanding

770
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.760
<v Speaker 3>that she was stalking women and not just she was

771
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 3>her so like, and I don't that those answers for

772
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 3>me that I got when those were some statements that

773
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I discovered that didn't go any further than that. I'd

774
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 3>like to learn know a little bit more about how

775
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 3>many people was she currently stalking, how many people has

776
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 3>she stalked in the past to potentially execute other grips

777
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 3>as you say, right, And what a perfect position to

778
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 3>put yourself in as a family photographer, because you will

779
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 3>agatiate yourself to these people and you make them see

780
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 3>it makes them seem like you're so great. And that's

781
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 3>why Reagan liked her, because then she's saying, you know, oh,

782
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I've got these problems with my husband and I just

783
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 3>came out of a divorce or whatever, and now there's

784
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.280
<v Speaker 3>a right I mean.

785
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.079
<v Speaker 2>And that's how she used her femininity to get away

786
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>with murder too, because again, you're not going to suspect

787
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 2>the female photographer from your wedding and your shower, you know,

788
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>And she got people feeling bad for her because with

789
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:20.159
<v Speaker 2>her history of feasting on people's lives, she had these

790
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>stories to tell that weren't hers. But she knew, she

791
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.559
<v Speaker 2>knew what she was doing when she took these stories

792
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:31.760
<v Speaker 2>from people and then fed them to other people, right,

793
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's just yeah, it's just really sad.

794
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:36.440
<v Speaker 4>It's unfortunate.

795
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.639
<v Speaker 3>How could this have been stopped? So many questions here

796
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 3>because her mother. The understanding that I have is that

797
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 3>her mother was living in somewhat a little bit of

798
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:49.159
<v Speaker 3>fear because she would take care of her daughter, Taylor's daughter,

799
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 3>and she was afraid that Taylor would take the granddaughter

800
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.119
<v Speaker 3>away from her if she were to do something, you know,

801
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.519
<v Speaker 3>So she's just trying to keep her at bay. Although

802
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 3>am I right that her her mother did say did

803
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 3>tell somebody that she couldn't have kids?

804
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.199
<v Speaker 4>Isn't that correct? Didn't the mother?

805
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 2>That is also correct? Yes, the mother spoke to people. Yeah,

806
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.079
<v Speaker 2>she just she wasn't on the documentary they showed a

807
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.559
<v Speaker 2>picture of her. But she did also try to help,

808
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Like when whoever called her, was it Connie Griffin, Waite's

809
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>mom or one of Cory's friends. Someone called her and

810
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:24.559
<v Speaker 2>she said I've been waiting for this call.

811
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Thank you. Oh, I've been waiting for this call. She said,

812
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.239
<v Speaker 4>oh yeah, mother said that. Yes. The mother said that, yes.

813
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.280
<v Speaker 3>And so you know, you've got all these people that know,

814
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:36.920
<v Speaker 3>and they're kind of just waiting there, you know, the

815
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.159
<v Speaker 3>friends from the past, waiting there to see what she's

816
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 3>going to do, because everyone's told Wade, what else can

817
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 3>they possibly do? Because how could you anticipate something so gruesome?

818
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.840
<v Speaker 3>No one could have anticipated that, could they have? Because

819
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:54.840
<v Speaker 3>she's never displayed murderous traits before? How could they have

820
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.000
<v Speaker 3>expected this? Would the mother have?

821
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.639
<v Speaker 2>As I was watching it, I saw all the red

822
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 2>flags in terms of like stalking, an obsession with another

823
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 2>woman's child.

824
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 4>So I wanted to get back to that.

825
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Her friend Mackenzie or Abby, I forget which one was pregnant.

826
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 2>One of them was pregnant, like so, she and Taylor

827
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.320
<v Speaker 2>were friends. They bonded over not being able to have children.

828
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 2>But then the one got pregnant, and then Taylor became

829
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with her pregnancy. She wanted to go on her

830
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 2>tracking app. She wanted to go to her doctor's appointments.

831
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.280
<v Speaker 2>That's right, she wanted her tracking app log in. Yes,

832
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 2>and it spooked. It spooked her so bad, which, by

833
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 2>the way, this saved her life. I'm telling you right now,

834
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.159
<v Speaker 2>the only reason this woman was alive to tell this

835
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.519
<v Speaker 2>story is because she listened to her gut and said,

836
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 2>I need you out of my life. I'm not talking

837
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 2>to you anymore. And then Taylor had to look for

838
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 2>a new mark. I fully believe, I will say this

839
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:52.719
<v Speaker 2>with my whole heart, that her friend would have been

840
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 2>the victim if she had not cut her off Number one.

841
00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Number two, when you see the flags of the pathological lying,

842
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 2>the planning, the internet searches, how to fake an ultrasound order,

843
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 2>cheap silicone belly, private infant adoption, new board adoptions, how

844
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 2>to file birth certificate for home birth, how to find

845
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.280
<v Speaker 2>a birth mother, and then her last search was video

846
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:20.880
<v Speaker 2>of a sea section. She literally watched on YouTube a

847
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 2>video of a sea section, knowing that what she was

848
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 2>going to do to her friend that she just spent

849
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 2>time with that night. And so the stalking, the obsession,

850
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.480
<v Speaker 2>the pathological lying, I could see that something really bad

851
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 2>was coming. Unfortunately, an average person most likely is going

852
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.000
<v Speaker 2>to miss those red flags.

853
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because they are not seeing this, They're not seeing

854
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:47.000
<v Speaker 3>the Internet searches. They're not seeing that she's stalking this

855
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:51.960
<v Speaker 3>person and laying the foundation. And you know, when things

856
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.119
<v Speaker 3>are to the end, you know, nine months she doesn't

857
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 3>have the baby. She's telling everybody that she's going to

858
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 3>do this appointment, that appointment, and now it's ten months

859
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 3>and everyone's going like, what, what's going to happen? Yeah,

860
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 3>she tells Wade that she's going to go to a

861
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 3>different hospital, one that's like in Oklahoma or something, because

862
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 3>she can't go to the ones in Texas because they

863
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.519
<v Speaker 3>all know she's full of shit, so she can't go there.

864
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.559
<v Speaker 3>So she says that she's set up like a c

865
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.519
<v Speaker 3>section or whatever, an appointment to get to have the baby.

866
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 3>And that morning she sets fire to the fucking house.

867
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:29.840
<v Speaker 4>To Wade's house.

868
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>He wakes up and he's like, the house is up

869
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>far and he's like, I had no idea how happy

870
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:35.159
<v Speaker 2>it is.

871
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 4>It's like, really, you don't, you know, to the enemy.

872
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>And not only that, but she sent him to sell

873
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.880
<v Speaker 2>hogs like four hours away. Mm hmm, So she set

874
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.360
<v Speaker 2>his house on fire. She sent him four hours away

875
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>to sell these hogs. She called in a bomb threat

876
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:56.079
<v Speaker 2>of Mount Pleasant Hospital using one of her like her

877
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 2>voice hiding apps because it said it was a male subject,

878
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 2>and we're like, you know that was Taylor.

879
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 4>You know that was Taylor. I mean, come on.

880
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>And then she told Wade to leave to go sell

881
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the hogs, and then she went killed her friend, took

882
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the baby and just drove down the road, thinking that

883
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 2>people were going to be like, yep.

884
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.639
<v Speaker 4>You know what this tracks. Yeah, that is so wacky

885
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 4>to me. That's so cy I mean it.

886
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.519
<v Speaker 3>Is like, so this whole plan that she had, which

887
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 3>was to get this guy have a baby, and she's

888
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 3>executing this situation and at the very end, she ends

889
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.719
<v Speaker 3>up having this baby, which by the way, does not

890
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:40.280
<v Speaker 3>survive obviously, and neither does Reagan rights which is rest

891
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 3>and prestous peace.

892
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.079
<v Speaker 4>And I will never forget them ever.

893
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 2>No, literally, I think about Reagan and that baby. I'm

894
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.400
<v Speaker 2>not kidding a lot. I don't even really believe in God,

895
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.400
<v Speaker 2>but I've said prayers. I'm just like, I hope they're

896
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 2>at peace because the empathy and the grief that I

897
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 2>feel not even knowing them, I'm like to do something

898
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.400
<v Speaker 2>like that. You have to really We'll get into this

899
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and I'll explain what I think is going on. But

900
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 2>primarily you have to lack empathy inherently. You couldn't do

901
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 2>something like that physically. They said in the at the end,

902
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:17.360
<v Speaker 2>there were one hundred and thirteen sharp force injuries to Reagan.

903
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 2>One hundred and thirteen. That is one hundred and thirteen

904
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:26.840
<v Speaker 2>times that she made choice after choice after choice to

905
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.719
<v Speaker 2>continue with this, and that just shows complete lack of

906
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 2>empathy none whatsoever.

907
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.480
<v Speaker 3>The doctor even said that he could not believe the

908
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 3>way that she had done that because it I can't

909
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.880
<v Speaker 3>even discuss that. I just get you.

910
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Could look at you could watch the documentary. He talks

911
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 2>about how she did it and how she did it incorrectly.

912
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.480
<v Speaker 2>But I agree, we can. People can watch that if

913
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Speaker 2>you want to.

914
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the doctor did say in the documentary that because

915
00:50:57.360 --> 00:50:59.159
<v Speaker 3>they all knew that something was going to have to

916
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 3>give with Taylor, because her dutate and was pasted, and

917
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 3>what's she going to do? So the newborn unit what

918
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:10.480
<v Speaker 3>a out of pink, A code code pink, which basically meant, like,

919
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:12.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, she could come and steal a baby.

920
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 4>So they were right.

921
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Because that's what they thought. She's going to try to

922
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>steal a baby. No one ever thought that she would

923
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.360
<v Speaker 2>try to kill somebody to obtain a baby, correct, Which

924
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.920
<v Speaker 2>that's where I guess personally as a professional, I feel

925
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people failed Reagan and her child in

926
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the scenario.

927
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.039
<v Speaker 4>Yes, because I think.

928
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:35.039
<v Speaker 2>At this point, if you're doing that, there should have

929
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>been other interventions that needed to happen, and I you know,

930
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 2>I think there could have been more that could have

931
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:42.760
<v Speaker 2>been done.

932
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 3>So, Hippa, you can't get past that, right, I mean, no,

933
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 3>you cannot can't. It's so you know, I kept thinking like,

934
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 3>isn't there anything?

935
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:52.920
<v Speaker 4>And no, they could.

936
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:56.119
<v Speaker 3>They did everything they could by saying, trust your gut,

937
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 3>you're on the right track, follow the breath crumbs, like

938
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, they did what they could do you And

939
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:04.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's that's true. Never could have anticipated what

940
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.039
<v Speaker 3>was going to happen. So when she's in the car

941
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.719
<v Speaker 3>and she has this baby, Melissa, after all of what

942
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.880
<v Speaker 3>she did to get to this point, where did she

943
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 3>think it was going to end? And how does someone

944
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.000
<v Speaker 3>who's that specific in terms of planning this whole ruse

945
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 3>fail with an ending?

946
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Because the ironic thing about people with whether it's antisocial

947
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 2>personality disorder or different types of personality disorders, it's not logical,

948
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:33.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like.

949
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 4>It's just impulsive in the moment thinking.

950
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.599
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of impulsiveness. And so we can start

951
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>to talk about this if you want to. It's some

952
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>of like the characteristics of some of these like cluster

953
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 2>be personality disorders.

954
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about the personality disorders. Thank you, okay, okay,

955
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:54.239
<v Speaker 3>let's talk about that a minute.

956
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:56.000
<v Speaker 2>So the first thing that I want to say, because

957
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Amy had asked this question and it was such a

958
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:03.199
<v Speaker 2>good point, what is the difference between personality disorder versus

959
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.360
<v Speaker 2>like a mental health disorder? Because when you hear the

960
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>colloquial term, for example, crazy, this is not somebody who

961
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:15.159
<v Speaker 2>was delusional or not understanding what they were doing.

962
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:16.840
<v Speaker 4>She was not psychotic.

963
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 2>She was in charge, aware and making active decisions. And

964
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:25.840
<v Speaker 2>so personality disorders are technically a type of mental health condition,

965
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.679
<v Speaker 2>but they differ from mental illness like depression and anxiety

966
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 2>in their duration number one, how the person views their

967
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:36.159
<v Speaker 2>symptoms to and treatment number three. So let me explain

968
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.360
<v Speaker 2>mental health issues like major depressive disorder, for example, which

969
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I have. I have major depressive disorder and I have PTSD.

970
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.840
<v Speaker 2>They can occur at any age fluctuate and be episodic,

971
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:51.119
<v Speaker 2>but personality disorders the big differences. They are rigid, lifelong

972
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:54.679
<v Speaker 2>patterns that typically develop in late adolescents or early adulthood.

973
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 2>As I had mentioned, now, this is the key thing

974
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.480
<v Speaker 2>people with mental health issues usually recognize is that their

975
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:05.079
<v Speaker 2>thoughts or feelings are causing distress. But individuals with personality

976
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.519
<v Speaker 2>disorders often see their behaviors as normal or a necessary

977
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 2>part of who they are, attributing their problems to external sources.

978
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:16.440
<v Speaker 2>So when Taylor said that she has this like alien

979
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:19.400
<v Speaker 2>abduction syndrome or whatever she tried to say she has,

980
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 2>she's trying to blame something that's clearly not her when

981
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:31.639
<v Speaker 2>this is all her. She ruined many families, generations. The

982
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.320
<v Speaker 2>ripple effect goes on, but she's in jail saying, well,

983
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.480
<v Speaker 2>this is why I have trauma and this is why

984
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 2>this happened.

985
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 4>And no, that's that's absolutely not so.

986
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.320
<v Speaker 2>The mental health conditions affect how you feel or act,

987
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:49.800
<v Speaker 2>but a personality disorder fundamentally distorts a person's sense of self,

988
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.960
<v Speaker 2>how they relate to others in the world. And I

989
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 2>know that was a lot, but that does not make sense.

990
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 4>That's the difference.

991
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:02.880
<v Speaker 3>It does yeah, I had no idea how serious personality

992
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 3>disorders are. And well, to me, it almost seems like

993
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.599
<v Speaker 3>they're worse than mental illness because like, and I know

994
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 3>that you're gonna say, no, that's not necessarily sure or whatever,

995
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:16.760
<v Speaker 3>but I'm just in my opinion right now, they seem

996
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:19.519
<v Speaker 3>worse because like, when I see the term or the

997
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:25.599
<v Speaker 3>title the category mental illness, that seems really intense, and

998
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.719
<v Speaker 3>then I see personality disorder that seems less intense. So

999
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:31.679
<v Speaker 3>that's why I was like, why aren't we putting that

1000
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:33.960
<v Speaker 3>under mental illness? Because mental illness is, you know, it

1001
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 3>should be the umbrella that encapsulates all of the issues

1002
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 3>that we have going on because it's mental and if

1003
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.119
<v Speaker 3>we're ill on some level, why wouldn't that be under

1004
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.960
<v Speaker 3>that category. But I understand what you're saying that these

1005
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:50.199
<v Speaker 3>are very separate, and I why aren't people talking about

1006
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 3>this more often? Because it's maybe you're like, actually, they

1007
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.000
<v Speaker 3>do a lot in my life, and as a matter

1008
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:57.480
<v Speaker 3>of fact, it's quite obvious.

1009
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 2>No, but no, I mean it's so common for people

1010
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 2>to not really this is something probably only a clinician

1011
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.440
<v Speaker 2>would really know. These are not things that the average

1012
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.800
<v Speaker 2>person is going to understand, Like, I went to school

1013
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:16.119
<v Speaker 2>for years to understand to learn about this stuff. Then

1014
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.599
<v Speaker 2>I worked on it in private practice in my career

1015
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:22.199
<v Speaker 2>and all of that. So it's okay to not Like,

1016
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:26.119
<v Speaker 2>when you look at a person, you know, a personality disorder,

1017
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:29.039
<v Speaker 2>mental health issues, they're invisible A lot of times you

1018
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.840
<v Speaker 2>can't see it on the outside, and so it does.

1019
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.519
<v Speaker 2>It leads to confusion, it leads to misunderstanding. But the

1020
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:39.840
<v Speaker 2>one thing about personality disorders is that they're less treatable,

1021
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:45.400
<v Speaker 2>but only because when you're struggling with a personality disorder,

1022
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:49.039
<v Speaker 2>there has to be two things present. I believe that

1023
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.760
<v Speaker 2>anyone can change. I really truly believe it. I've seen

1024
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 2>people change, I've seen miraculous things happen. But you have

1025
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.159
<v Speaker 2>to have two things, and one is awareness and the

1026
00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:59.400
<v Speaker 2>other is motivation, and those are the two things that

1027
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 2>people with personality disorders most often don't have. However, I

1028
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.639
<v Speaker 2>don't want to paint all of the personality disorders with

1029
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the same brush, because we're talking about so there's cluster A,

1030
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:14.440
<v Speaker 2>there's cluster B, and there's cluster C. Now cluster A

1031
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.679
<v Speaker 2>is otter eccentric, and under that falls paranoid. Schizoid and schizotypal.

1032
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:25.320
<v Speaker 2>So those are personality disorders, which is differentiated from schizophrenia,

1033
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:29.039
<v Speaker 2>which is a delusional disorder under mental.

1034
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.920
<v Speaker 4>Illness Wow yeah wow.

1035
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 2>And they're yeah and they and they differ, which again

1036
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:36.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't we don't have to.

1037
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:39.559
<v Speaker 4>They do differ, but we don't have time to go

1038
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:39.960
<v Speaker 4>into that.

1039
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 2>But cluster B is where a lot of the so

1040
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.760
<v Speaker 2>cluster B is dramatic, emotional or erratic, and so under

1041
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:52.920
<v Speaker 2>cluster B we have antisocial personality disorder, which is characterized

1042
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 2>by disregard for the rights of others, impulsivity, and a

1043
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>lack of remorse and so antisocial this is where if

1044
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:05.079
<v Speaker 2>you hear the term sociopathy or psychopathy, this is kind

1045
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:09.360
<v Speaker 2>of usually what those broad umbrella terms talk about is

1046
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:13.800
<v Speaker 2>antisocial personality disorder. So as children, you're gonna see a

1047
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.480
<v Speaker 2>blatant disregard of rules, maybe some conduct issues, getting in

1048
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.320
<v Speaker 2>trouble with the law, you know, disregard for authority, and

1049
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>lack of remorse, things like that. And you also this

1050
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:25.440
<v Speaker 2>is where you see the dark triad of traits in

1051
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 2>terms of like setting fires and like abusing animals and

1052
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 2>things like that that would fall under antisocial borderline personality

1053
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:37.119
<v Speaker 2>disorder involves mood swings on stable relationships, if fear of abandonment,

1054
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:42.360
<v Speaker 2>and identity disturbances. But people with borderline personality disorder generally

1055
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:46.119
<v Speaker 2>are not aggressive. They may self harm. That happens a

1056
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 2>lot with borderline personality disorder, but that's not typical right

1057
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.320
<v Speaker 2>for people in that category. Histrionic, it's defined by a

1058
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 2>constant need for attention, shallow emotions, and a highly suggestible

1059
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.360
<v Speaker 2>or theatrical behavior. And then the last one is narcissistic,

1060
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>which involves grandiosity and excessive need for admiration and lack

1061
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.559
<v Speaker 2>of empathy for others. Okay, I know that was a

1062
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 2>lot I believe she has. By the way, comorbidity is

1063
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.679
<v Speaker 2>very common when you have one personality disorder, you can

1064
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>experience others within the same cluster or different clusters, And

1065
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, she meets a lot of the criteria

1066
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:30.679
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of these. In my opinion, Now there's

1067
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:33.880
<v Speaker 2>cluster C, which is anxious or fearful, and those are

1068
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:37.960
<v Speaker 2>like obsessive compulsive personality disorder, which differs from an obsessive

1069
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:42.480
<v Speaker 2>compulsive disorder, which is It's all a lot, and it

1070
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 2>is very confusing, but the point of what I'm saying,

1071
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.840
<v Speaker 2>it's very common for people to exhibit traits from multiple

1072
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:50.480
<v Speaker 2>disorders across multiple clusters.

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<v Speaker 4>If that makes sense.

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00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 3>It does does she span I mean, in your opinion,

1075
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:58.519
<v Speaker 3>does she span ABC or is she just mostly in B.

1076
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I think she falls in BE for the most part.

1077
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:07.880
<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's a certain level of delusional thinking

1078
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:12.320
<v Speaker 2>in terms of like reckless or impulsive in terms of

1079
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:14.159
<v Speaker 2>what we talked about, where it's like, well, there was

1080
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.920
<v Speaker 2>no plan there, Like you knew you weren't going to

1081
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 2>have a baby, so what were you like? I think

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01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:23.599
<v Speaker 2>she was just so used to lying and getting away

1083
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:27.280
<v Speaker 2>with it that she wasn't accustomed to running into like

1084
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 2>a closed road for her, you know what I mean.

1085
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:33.639
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't accustomed to consequences or having truth get.

1086
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:34.039
<v Speaker 4>In the way.

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01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.280
<v Speaker 2>And so for me, it was a lot of things

1088
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.760
<v Speaker 2>that led to this, but a lot of very complex things.

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01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that would have to be my thought.

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01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I think she really has some very antisocial, criminal, narcissistic

1091
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:49.880
<v Speaker 2>attention seeking.

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01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:55.960
<v Speaker 3>All personality disorders be treated with medication, no.

1093
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Not with medication, so they're hard to treat because they're

1094
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:03.199
<v Speaker 2>deeply ingrained. How Ever, there are therapies like CBT cognitive

1095
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:07.840
<v Speaker 2>behavioral therapy, and it's something called DBT dialectical behavior therapy

1096
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:12.599
<v Speaker 2>that are proven to be effective for people with personality disorders. However,

1097
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.320
<v Speaker 2>again you have to be aware and you have to

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01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.480
<v Speaker 2>want to change. And the cluster bees of all the clusters,

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01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:24.320
<v Speaker 2>with the exception of borderline personality disorder, I'm going to

1100
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:28.960
<v Speaker 2>pluck that out for a minute. They're typically not interested

1101
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.480
<v Speaker 2>in doing anything different. It's everybody else that's the problem,

1102
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:36.800
<v Speaker 2>it's not them. But treatment can be highly effective. Now,

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01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:39.239
<v Speaker 2>there are some studies that suggest that people with like

1104
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:43.360
<v Speaker 2>an antisocial personality disorder, that talk therapy only makes them

1105
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.760
<v Speaker 2>more savvy. They learn how to manipulate, they learn what

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01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:50.039
<v Speaker 2>to say to manipulate, especially if they come across a

1107
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:53.840
<v Speaker 2>practitioner who isn't savvy enough to identify what's going on.

1108
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.119
<v Speaker 2>So the point is, yes, they can be treated. And

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01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I hope because I I know there's people listening to

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01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:04.000
<v Speaker 2>this that have personality disorders, and I want to be

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01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:09.039
<v Speaker 2>really really mindful of Like, people with personality disorders are

1112
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:13.599
<v Speaker 2>not psychos, they're not psychopaths. Right, we have some individuals

1113
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.440
<v Speaker 2>who happen to be those things, and also happen to

1114
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.599
<v Speaker 2>have some of these personality disorders. But this is not common.

1115
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess I just want everyone to hear the absolutely

1116
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:26.440
<v Speaker 2>absolutely okay. I mean, and guys, we all have our stuff.

1117
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, you know what I mean. I

1118
01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 2>got my stuff.

1119
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.480
<v Speaker 4>We all have. I got two hands of stuff, girl.

1120
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I got a bushelves, I got a bushelp,

1121
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:38.199
<v Speaker 3>I got a hog farm full of it. But I

1122
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:41.760
<v Speaker 3>do want to just mention a couple of things. I

1123
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:45.320
<v Speaker 3>know we'll probably have to wrap in a moment with

1124
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:49.559
<v Speaker 3>some of the things that I discovered outside of the documentary. Yes, Tom,

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01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.480
<v Speaker 3>she's not paying child support. In the past, she was

1126
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:54.840
<v Speaker 3>offering fifty thousand dollars to surrogates.

1127
01:02:55.840 --> 01:03:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, which she doesn't have fifty dollars, So no, she

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01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:03.639
<v Speaker 2>sure doesn't.

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01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 3>That's wildcrift in prison. This is an interesting thing. She

1130
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:12.159
<v Speaker 3>before she was moved to death row. I believe she

1131
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.480
<v Speaker 3>was like with you know, the general population. She caused

1132
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:21.199
<v Speaker 3>so much trouble in a prison that they had to

1133
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:24.719
<v Speaker 3>move her because she was causing so much. Do you

1134
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:27.320
<v Speaker 3>know how hard it would be for a prisoner to

1135
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.880
<v Speaker 3>cause so much trouble inside of a prison that they

1136
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.719
<v Speaker 3>would actually have to move you. I mean, that's what's wild.

1137
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:36.960
<v Speaker 3>So she was asking she had like an inmate, a cellmate,

1138
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.440
<v Speaker 3>somebody who she was convincing them that they did what

1139
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:43.800
<v Speaker 3>she did. She was having them write a confessional letter.

1140
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.159
<v Speaker 3>She had other people try. She was trying to get

1141
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:49.119
<v Speaker 3>other people to write a confessional letter that they did

1142
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.079
<v Speaker 3>this crime that she did. Okay, I'm just gonna leave

1143
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:52.480
<v Speaker 3>that there.

1144
01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:53.679
<v Speaker 4>God.

1145
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:57.480
<v Speaker 3>She wrote a letter to the FBI saying like, I

1146
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, I am really good about what I do.

1147
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:01.159
<v Speaker 3>I can help you.

1148
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.719
<v Speaker 2>And they were like, okay, so the narcissism and that

1149
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure do we say what I'm talking about, the

1150
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:14.639
<v Speaker 2>narcissism to believe that the FBI could learn from you, bitch?

1151
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:20.159
<v Speaker 4>Oh oh that's interesting. How you okay?

1152
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:26.159
<v Speaker 3>They were like no, thanks. And the diagnosis that during

1153
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.480
<v Speaker 3>the court hearing they had like I want to say,

1154
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:34.719
<v Speaker 3>three or four different diagnoses done on her defense, prosecution, whatever,

1155
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.800
<v Speaker 3>And interestingly enough, they said that she wasn't mentally ill,

1156
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:40.559
<v Speaker 3>she does have personality disorder.

1157
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.239
<v Speaker 4>Oh good, I'm glad that I know what I'm there,

1158
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:44.920
<v Speaker 4>you go, I know I want to know that. They

1159
01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:46.639
<v Speaker 4>said that, yes, I know, he didn't.

1160
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.440
<v Speaker 3>And then they also had a neurologist look at her

1161
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:52.880
<v Speaker 3>and they did like an MRI of her brain much

1162
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.679
<v Speaker 3>to like what you said. They said that she has

1163
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:57.400
<v Speaker 3>frontal lobe dysfunction, which.

1164
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Is very common with people with antisocial personality disorder and

1165
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:04.519
<v Speaker 2>things like that.

1166
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:06.400
<v Speaker 4>That is very very common.

1167
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Lastly, we didn't talk about how Wade's coworkers or like

1168
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.519
<v Speaker 3>his boss boss and his wife were really invested in

1169
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:17.599
<v Speaker 3>this couple and really believed him. And she had her

1170
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.360
<v Speaker 3>fake pregnancy belly, she somehow was able to make it

1171
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.119
<v Speaker 3>move to make it look like the baby was kicking.

1172
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:29.480
<v Speaker 3>So that person was completely believing Taylor and was like

1173
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:31.760
<v Speaker 3>very much in Wade's ear, saying like you got to

1174
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:34.079
<v Speaker 3>take care of her. You go, that's your baby, you

1175
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.039
<v Speaker 3>know all this stuff, So I just want to try

1176
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.440
<v Speaker 3>that's her plan. By the way, did she get is

1177
01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:41.320
<v Speaker 3>that like some sort of electronic like movement thing or

1178
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:42.440
<v Speaker 3>how did she even do that?

1179
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:44.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't here. That's what I'm going to tell you.

1180
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:48.480
<v Speaker 2>People with these issues, if they put that time and

1181
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:52.199
<v Speaker 2>effort into something real, they could cure cancer. But instead

1182
01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:57.119
<v Speaker 2>they want to fool people, rob people, builk people, you know,

1183
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.239
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is that they're looking to do. They will

1184
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.480
<v Speaker 2>put all their time, resources, brain power and effort into

1185
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:06.760
<v Speaker 2>that and they'll get it done because that they're motivated

1186
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:07.599
<v Speaker 2>to do right.

1187
01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

1188
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And if she had that level of motivation towards

1189
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:15.360
<v Speaker 2>getting better, she could anything as possible. But she she doesn't,

1190
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:19.639
<v Speaker 2>because that's ridiculous to think that you're having inmates write

1191
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:23.679
<v Speaker 2>letters like girl, the jig is up, You're on death row.

1192
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.119
<v Speaker 4>You've been found guilty. There's no one else that could have,

1193
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.239
<v Speaker 4>would have or is so to me?

1194
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:36.400
<v Speaker 2>It just displays again this like narcissism, ego and lack

1195
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:38.840
<v Speaker 2>of understanding about herself others in the world.

1196
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:39.480
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:42.679
<v Speaker 3>My last thing is that just so everybody knows she

1198
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:46.800
<v Speaker 3>has exhausted all the appeals. Oh good, and so it

1199
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:50.000
<v Speaker 3>will continue with the death sentence. There's no there's the.

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01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.599
<v Speaker 4>Thing, Amy, I'm gonna be honest.

1201
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I am not usually a proponent of the death sentence

1202
01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:56.199
<v Speaker 2>for me.

1203
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:58.880
<v Speaker 4>For me, I feel tricky.

1204
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:03.920
<v Speaker 2>That's not her us to decide. However, this woman is

1205
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a menace to society. It's proof in jail right that

1206
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:11.960
<v Speaker 2>she's still doing the same old Shitah. And this is

1207
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a very dangerous person that I am grateful she will

1208
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.239
<v Speaker 2>not be able to hurt, well, anyone on the outside,

1209
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I'd be concerned for people on the inside if I'm

1210
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:25.280
<v Speaker 2>being honesty, if she thinks she can get something from them.

1211
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:28.119
<v Speaker 2>But I think that this is a case where, you know,

1212
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:30.400
<v Speaker 2>for Reagan and for that child.

1213
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:31.960
<v Speaker 4>She needs to go away forever.

1214
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I hate to say that, but that's why

1215
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:36.679
<v Speaker 2>this case is so icky, because it makes you feel

1216
01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 2>it's just so bad.

1217
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 4>It's so bad, it's so ugly.

1218
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:43.599
<v Speaker 2>But I really hope that through us talking about it today,

1219
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.679
<v Speaker 2>people have gotten a better understanding of like, you know,

1220
01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:48.719
<v Speaker 2>because for me too, this is about right taking the

1221
01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:52.480
<v Speaker 2>stigma away from like mental health issues or you know,

1222
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:53.360
<v Speaker 2>things like that.

1223
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:55.159
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I love it.

1224
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:58.400
<v Speaker 3>That's that's why I just I get so happy and

1225
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:02.239
<v Speaker 3>so excited about your explanation about all this. And I'm

1226
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:04.639
<v Speaker 3>the perfect person to talk to about it because I'm

1227
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:10.840
<v Speaker 3>a narcissist, No, because I because I'm so it takes

1228
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.239
<v Speaker 3>me a little while to understand things, and so I

1229
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.639
<v Speaker 3>feel like I can ask the right questions over and

1230
01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:18.199
<v Speaker 3>over again in order to get a real understanding for myself.

1231
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:21.000
<v Speaker 3>And then therefore, you know, those out there listening are

1232
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:22.960
<v Speaker 3>probably like, yeah, Amy, we got it. The first time

1233
01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:25.079
<v Speaker 3>she explained it, we didn't need to say. But I

1234
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:28.000
<v Speaker 3>feel like it just it helps, you know, you really,

1235
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:31.079
<v Speaker 3>you can really put the layers down and explain it.

1236
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:35.039
<v Speaker 3>I just this was we could talk about it for

1237
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:38.680
<v Speaker 3>another hour, you know, we could, but listen and maybe

1238
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:41.159
<v Speaker 3>we'll need to do and maybe and maybe we could

1239
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:45.119
<v Speaker 3>do a separate, a whole separate podcast where you do

1240
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.760
<v Speaker 3>talk about like the personality disorders in general and mental

1241
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:52.000
<v Speaker 3>illness in general, just like a you know, psychology one

1242
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:53.800
<v Speaker 3>oh one would be really interesting.

1243
01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:58.560
<v Speaker 4>But well, if y'all want to hear that, let me know.

1244
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:00.479
<v Speaker 4>I'm happy to do whatever people want to hear.

1245
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:03.439
<v Speaker 2>But Amy, I really appreciate your voice in this too,

1246
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:07.880
<v Speaker 2>because you got all that other information and I just

1247
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.319
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you very much, Number one, everything you brought to this.

1248
01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Number two, And you do represent the average American who

1249
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:17.439
<v Speaker 2>like is a good person and doesn't see how someone

1250
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.960
<v Speaker 2>who seemingly is a good person could do something like this, right,

1251
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:23.640
<v Speaker 2>And so I think for me, it's just about like

1252
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:27.439
<v Speaker 2>helping to give people answers, also helping people to understand

1253
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:31.039
<v Speaker 2>red flags and keep themselves safe because there are other

1254
01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:34.119
<v Speaker 2>tailors out there, and I guess What I just want

1255
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:35.920
<v Speaker 2>to say is to wrap this up, is if your

1256
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.000
<v Speaker 2>gut is telling you something is wrong, please listen to it.

1257
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:41.079
<v Speaker 4>You don't necessarily need to put your finger on it.

1258
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:42.640
<v Speaker 2>You don't need to name it, you don't need to

1259
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.800
<v Speaker 2>have like a litany of like backed up reason.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just I believe your God.

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<v Speaker 3>Always to ears way, go the other way, because if

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<v Speaker 3>you're a very nice person and your receptive, predators will

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<v Speaker 3>be looking for you because they want that person that

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<v Speaker 3>they can and persuade little by little if you're ignoring

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<v Speaker 3>their bad behaviors and you know, and you're letting them

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<v Speaker 3>squeak in and you're letting this fall.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, oh, they didn't really mean that. They didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Surely they couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you know, I'm just gonna I'm a bright light

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<v Speaker 3>to them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, by the way, predators use something called habituation,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like they step their toe over the line

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<v Speaker 2>over and over to get you used to it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they step it over more. Get used to that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they step it over more and.

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<v Speaker 4>You get used to that. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>See yeah, that's I'm just trying to let's keep ourselves safe, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Say from the tailors of the world, Amy, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much. This was actually, you know, it was tough content, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, I did I did my job, which

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<v Speaker 3>is showing up and just you know, asking the questions.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad that we did this. And and thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for your insight and your intelligence and all the

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<v Speaker 3>work that you've done in your life to get us

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<v Speaker 3>to this point and understand this stuff so well.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. Thanks to our listeners, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for all the Darlingbishes who support

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<v Speaker 2>us and love us. And so you know what I

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<v Speaker 2>would say is, please check both of us out, check

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<v Speaker 2>me out at your bish therapist, check me out on Patreon,

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<v Speaker 2>patreon dot com, backslash your bish therapist, and please give

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<v Speaker 2>Amy and I five star reviews if you'd be so inclined,

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<v Speaker 2>and you haven't already. The world is harsh, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know it really makes a difference. And thank you all

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<v Speaker 2>for those that have already done that.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks you guys. You can find me anywhere listener to

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<v Speaker 3>guest drama Darling and my patreon is patreon dot COM's

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<v Speaker 3>last drama Darling. Okay, okay, all right, thank you all.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye listen Bye, disclaimer. Posts are not intended to diagnose,

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