WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:27.199 We're Turbulerin, dude, and this is the Bitter Kitten Movie 2 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:29.280 Club hellicit and is welcome back to another edition of 3 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:32.079 the BKMC, a supplemental edition of the Pop Style Opinion 4 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:34.039 Pest podcast where we take a look at one film 5 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.320 per week and dissect it and hope to get a 6 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:40.960 discussion started on it. This week's well, thanks for interrupting. 7 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.840 This week's film is Practical Magic nineteen ninety eight's Practical Magic, 8 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:49.159 directed by Griffin Dunn and starring Nicole Kidman and Sandra 9 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:52.039 Bullock and a bunch of other people and a bunch 10 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.520 of other people. I'm not an IMTV list anyway. 11 00:00:57.560 --> 00:00:59.759 So a couple of things. 12 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.159 One is that I don't know what Lorenzo's going to 13 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:06.040 say today, although I think it's going to be somewhat negative. 14 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:06.760 No, it's not. 15 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.640 And second thing, I just wanted to talk about why 16 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:15.719 we picked this film and what my reaction to it. Okay, 17 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:20.840 so with the BKMC, we explain this. We probably over 18 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:22.879 explain this if you listen to this every week, but 19 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:28.280 we try to pick a range of films across genres, 20 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:34.760 across decades, and we try to pick a mix of 21 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:39.280 films that we have seen many times, as well as 22 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.280 films we maybe saw once and don't remember, and films 23 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:44.359 that we've never seen at all, because there's a different 24 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:48.319 reaction for each one, and it's interesting to unpack these things. 25 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:53.120 So Practical Magic is a film I have seen many times. 26 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.200 I cannot remember the last time I saw it, but 27 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:58.640 as it was unfolding, I was like, yeah, I remember 28 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.920 exactly how this ends. Actually, I remember everything about the story. 29 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:03.640 Go ahead. I had never seen it before. 30 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:07.280 Oh yes, Oh that's crazy. See I didn't know that. 31 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.000 How have I seen it many times? 32 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.199 And you've never seen? No, that can't be right? And 33 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:13.439 the dark and a closet by yourself. No, I have 34 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.759 never I've never seen this movie with you. I have 35 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.280 never seen the movie. When did I see it? That 36 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.800 I done knew before you met me? No, I mean 37 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:26.039 we were together when this movie came out. Anyway, I 38 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:29.159 knew the scene where they're all drinking and dancing, right, 39 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:31.319 but I had no idea where from. 40 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.800 That's crazy, I had no idea. You didn't see this film, 41 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:34.439 so that. 42 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:36.479 Scene is very famous. I knew about the scene, but 43 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:37.439 it had no Yeah. 44 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.199 So my whole thing with a film like this and 45 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.599 it was similar when we chose like Memento or Marie 46 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:50.719 Antoinette or other films where I sat there unpacking my 47 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.080 reaction to what I thought I remembered about the film, 48 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.759 as well as how different the film looks in twenty 49 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:59.879 twenty six. So when you're looking at a film in 50 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:04.039 nineteen ninety eight film, and this isn't true of all 51 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.680 films from nineteen ninety eight, but we are in a 52 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:13.919 moment culturally where romanticy and which stories are very very 53 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:20.039 very very popular, right, And so it's interesting to die 54 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:22.039 to look at a film like this that sort of 55 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:27.919 predates this current trend. You made a disparaging comment the 56 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.479 other night when you watched it, where you said it's 57 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:31.800 very Hallmark movie. 58 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:34.080 Do you want to unpack that? Well, here's the thing. 59 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:38.039 It's interesting because I'm thinking about the movie and I'm like, Wow, 60 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.439 I would never watch this movie now if it came out. 61 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:46.039 It's not my thing. But I can see myself watching 62 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.199 it because back then, in the eighties nineties, you watched 63 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.680 a movie because of the actors too, right, right, So 64 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:53.639 I would have definitely watched it back then. I don't 65 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:55.879 know why I didn't. I think you might have seen 66 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:59.199 that if I don't remember anything about it. So I 67 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.360 didn't remember anything about it. Anyway, I would have watched 68 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.960 it because of Nicole Kidman. I'm not very crazy about 69 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:10.039 Sarah what's her name against Sandra bo Bullet, I'm not 70 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.159 very crazy about her. But anyway, Nicole Kidman, I would 71 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:15.280 watch it because of her. So that's my point. It's 72 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.800 interesting because I think at least i'm you know, I 73 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.720 can only speak for myself. Back then, I would watch 74 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:24.079 anything depending on the actors, you know, like, because that's 75 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:27.800 how it went. I don't know. Today, I'm more picky 76 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:29.600 about what I watch because I guess I don't know. 77 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.879 You have TV at home, you have computer, you know, 78 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:34.959 there are the ways of watching movies, and so I 79 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.519 would I would say no to that now. In fact, 80 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.160 I don't even know if I'm watching the Practical Magika 81 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.240 too well, I have to say, and we can unpack 82 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:45.120 that in a little bit. 83 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:45.560 Uh. 84 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:48.040 I have some. 85 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:51.600 I don't want to say fear because I really don't 86 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.639 feel very strongly about it either way, but I suspect 87 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:56.439 that the sequel is not going to be very good, 88 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.600 just based on some decisions that they have made for it. Oh, 89 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:02.439 the Well, the big one is and I just read this. 90 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:05.959 Aiden Quinn is not in the sequel. Oh, and he 91 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:07.959 said this just this week. He said, I would have 92 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.639 done it in a second, but nobody asked me. He's adorable, 93 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.360 like he's aged. 94 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:15.439 He is. 95 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.879 I just looked him up this morning. He's sixty eight 96 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:19.120 and he looks sixty eight. 97 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.720 Well, they all age. The difference is that he shows 98 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:22.319 and they don't. 99 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.600 Well, that's just my point is he's sixty eight and 100 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.079 he looks sixty eight. Sandra Bullock is sixty two and 101 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:28.160 she looks forty five. 102 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:29.439 Yeah, there's a reason. 103 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.160 They're casting Lee Pace, who's fifteen years younger than her. 104 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.480 As I guess he's her love interest. 105 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:35.959 I don't know. 106 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.160 But you know what, we're not gonna talk about that. 107 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:41.480 We're gonna talk about nineteen ninety eight film. So, like 108 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:43.920 I said, I kept sitting through it and thinking you 109 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:47.759 said rather disparagingly that it was a it was very 110 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:51.480 Hallmark movie. And I was thinking about that as I 111 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:54.000 was watching it, because Lorenzo watched it one night and 112 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.879 then I watched it the next night. I feel so 113 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:58.879 bad when we say stuff like that, because people must 114 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.439 think our marriage is so and now now we are 115 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.240 joined at the hip on everything. We work together all 116 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.519 day long. So actually things like watching movies and watching TV, 117 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:09.000 that's usually our alone time. 118 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:13.639 And let me explain. We have three TVs and Tom 119 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:14.800 likes to watch things on his. 120 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.680 Computer sometimes because I have you know, I'm partially deaf. 121 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.639 I still enjoy watching things on TV, so I like 122 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:26.120 to just sit and watch on our biggest TVs. But 123 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.759 so that's why sometimes you we watch a lot of 124 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.279 stuff together. But you may you make a very good point. 125 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:34.879 We work together. We do everything together. 126 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.319 So sometimes sometimes we just at night we just want 127 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:40.639 to be just like get away from me. Anyway, So 128 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:42.839 he said it looked like a Hallmark film, and so 129 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.240 then I started watching it, and I thought that was 130 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:48.360 both accurate and a little unfair. 131 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:51.560 It is accurate, but the. 132 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:54.560 I mean, the one thing one of the things I 133 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.600 was struck with with this film was esthetic. Oh my god, 134 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:02.360 there is such a strong aesthetic with this film, very 135 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:06.120 much in that Nancy Meyer's rom com mode, which was 136 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.720 established in the eighties and the nineties, so it didn't 137 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.720 invent that sort of ultra cozy, cozy cozy aesthetic that 138 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:16.399 the film is practically dripping with But it's very much 139 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:20.639 in that mode and that mode that Nancy Meyer's Practical 140 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.759 Magic kind of cozy romance mode. It actually created the 141 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.240 Hallmark channel aesthetic as we know it. So when you're 142 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.879 looking at Practical Magic and you're thinking, well, this looks 143 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.519 like a Hallmark movie, it predates Hallmark movies by about 144 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:39.040 ten years. And you can make the argument that a 145 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.959 lot of what we see in Hallmark movies, a lot 146 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.040 of that cozy sort of sweater and falling leaves and 147 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.920 cups of tea and that sort of thing very much, 148 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:50.879 very much present in this film. 149 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:55.720 I enjoyed it, but it's not my thing and it's 150 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.959 too sugary to me in the sense that everything is perfect, 151 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:04.600 and they play into every stereotype of of people enjoying 152 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:06.800 themselves and have fun, like like there's a lot of 153 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.680 music in the movie. Yeah, and there's a lot of 154 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.160 music like in the car and dancing and it's all 155 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.439 that stuff. Drinking. Oh no, people are dancing and listening 156 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:18.879 to music. Oh, it's just like you're the hard thing 157 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.600 about letting your hair down and dancing around the you know, 158 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.399 the dining room table and drinking and the do do 159 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:28.800 do do do. It's cute, but it's not. It's I 160 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.240 don't know, but it's not what finished that. It's cute, 161 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:34.080 but it I don't think it's movie material. It felt 162 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.279 every now and then it felt like an MTV video, 163 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.440 like a musical video. I don't know. It's just yeah, 164 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:42.120 I'm not kidding that. It just felt a little too 165 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:48.360 I don't know, and substantial. It didn't feel like a 166 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:49.919 movie every now and then it felt like I'm not 167 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.840 watching at all, like watching like just just I don't know. 168 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:54.480 It felt like that's why. 169 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.159 They didn't feel like a TV show to me. So 170 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.320 I don't I don't really get that. But whatever, you know, 171 00:08:58.399 --> 00:08:58.919 you're letto. 172 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.879 But it's it's interesting. I thought it could have been 173 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.600 a little more interesting in terms of darker. 174 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.919 You know, yes, I listen. I don't want to give 175 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.360 the impression that I think this film is perfect, because 176 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:16.080 I don't. I do think it's extremely enjoyable time, and 177 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:21.639 ninety nine percent of that comes down to Sondra and Nicole. 178 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.600 I'm like you, I actually love Sondra Bullock. I think 179 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.000 she's a lot of fun to watch. I think she's 180 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:30.200 perfect in this movie. I think she's also gorgeous in this. 181 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:31.440 Well, they're both beautiful. 182 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:34.600 They're both a couple of times, you know, not to 183 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.960 get into ageism or anything, but a couple of times like, 184 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.840 holy shit, they were both so gorgeous back then. 185 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.720 That's what I like. The club, the bit of kid 186 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:44.759 in a club and watching these old movies that you 187 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:47.960 go back and ate. You get to watch actors that 188 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:51.320 you don't see anymore. Yeah, they kind of disappear Quinn, Yes, 189 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:55.159 or they or people you love very very young, yeah, 190 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.919 or you forget that some people are in certain movies 191 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:59.960 and like, oh my god, I forgot you. That's why 192 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.320 early in the movie I was like, oh wow, they. 193 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:07.799 Are both beautiful, so stunning in this movie. 194 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:08.639 At the costume to make sure to show that there. 195 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.720 Yeah, I uh no, I like Sondra Bullock. I What 196 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:17.559 I think is interesting is how I remember thinking this 197 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:19.919 back in the day whenever I did see it, and 198 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:23.720 I actually still feel this way. I almost feel like 199 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:28.000 the casting is is wrong, Like Sondra should have been 200 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.919 playing the sexy bad girl and n Cole should have 201 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:34.960 been playing the good girl with the children who's. 202 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.120 Just looking for love. It's not really in. 203 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:41.200 I mean n Cole does play bad girls. That's it's 204 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:47.000 not that she hasn't played bad girls, but she's fine 205 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.799 in this role. It just feels like she's she's trying 206 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:53.240 to make the role happen for her. And I keep 207 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:55.639 thinking every time, I'm like, I think Sandra Bullock would 208 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:59.279 have been more fun as the sexy, irresponsible sister, and 209 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.679 the Cole would have made more sense as the I 210 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:03.759 don't want to say, repressed the sister who's looking for 211 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:07.360 love whatever. And I remember also thinking back in the day, 212 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.240 I was like, I have a hard time buying these two. 213 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.360 His sisters, just about saying that, Oh, they're supposed to 214 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:14.759 be sister's sisters, like yet, No, no, they are little sisters. 215 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:16.639 No they're not. They sorry, And that is. 216 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.519 I mean, it's possible for two women in the same 217 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.000 family to look like that, but they they really don't 218 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:22.320 look like. 219 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.519 Oh it is possible. They kill men left and right, 220 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:26.159 so maybe they're two different fathers. 221 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:30.399 Yeah, no, all right, let's take a short break because 222 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:32.519 I actually do want to get back and talk about 223 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:34.360 what you just brought up about them killing men, and 224 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:39.600 we'll be right back. We're back talking about practical magic 225 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.320 and one of the other things I wanted to address, 226 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:47.639 for to Lorenzo's unfair critique about this being a Hallmark 227 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:52.039 movie esque is that it is esthetically very much in 228 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.600 that mode. But then you watch the movie and you're like, well, okay, 229 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:59.399 there's two deaths in the first twenty minutes, one of 230 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:04.000 which is a little violent. There's domestic abuse, there's a murder, 231 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.360 and then there's an exorcism. 232 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.799 Right, so all done very lightly. Well, that's just it. 233 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:16.399 They can't handle the ships. And one of the critiques 234 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.120 I have of this film is, first off, it relies 235 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:21.679 too much on the fact that its leads are gorgeous 236 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:26.120 and incredibly charming. So the director is Griffin Dune, and 237 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.519 it's very clear that he's like, well, I've got two 238 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:30.720 amazing movie stars on my hand, let's just shoot them 239 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.639 and we'll just make the film about that. But then 240 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:37.440 you have to do these tonal ships where you know 241 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.240 she's getting you know, Nicole Kimmon's getting beat up, or 242 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:44.399 they're killing a man, or they're burying a body, or 243 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:47.639 there there's an exorcism happening and there's this evil spirit 244 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:48.759 that's trying to kill. 245 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:49.879 Right. 246 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.240 It doesn't handle those juxtapositions very well, and part of 247 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.919 that comes down to you're right, the film is too 248 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.480 sugary at times and needs to be a little bit darker. 249 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.360 I mean kill men, right, and and and that is 250 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.399 just like, oh, you know, I want to I want 251 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.320 to feel loved, so they don't men. Oh come on, 252 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:10.840 if you know that if you're dating someone, it would 253 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.559 be like you knowing that if you dated men, you'd 254 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:15.759 kill them. And then now it's if you fall in 255 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:17.120 love with him, Well there you go. 256 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.440 Nicole Kidman doesn't fall in love with the men that 257 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.559 she dates, so none of them are in any danger. 258 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.600 And Sondra Bullock, and this wasn't the film mister pay attention, 259 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:31.440 spent her life denying the whole witch thing and denying 260 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.000 the family curse. So she wasn't killing men. She just 261 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:35.600 didn't believe that it was going to happen. 262 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.200 I know. But they all go through the same thing 263 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.960 that we don't see, I mean, even the older generation 264 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:42.960 and all that. It would be interesting if they had 265 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:47.000 had a third character, you know, a third sister, and 266 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.919 she was lesbian. That would be fun. No, I don't 267 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.080 think so, yeah, I mean I don't. I think that 268 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.559 muddies the waters. The story is trying to tell it 269 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.240 would be hysterical that one doesn't have to worry about men. 270 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:03.559 The well now because I think it really comes pardon me, 271 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:06.879 it really comes down to love, not the gender of 272 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:11.480 the person involved. And that actually brings me to my 273 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:15.159 next point. There were a couple times watching this film 274 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:17.720 where I was like, Wow, you can tell him man 275 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:21.399 directed this, because the sequel is directed by a woman. 276 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:25.039 And I just feel like any in this day and age, 277 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:29.159 any romanticies about witches and falling in love, any storyline, 278 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.639 would almost certainly be directed by a woman. And I 279 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:37.679 don't mean that in a reductive sense, but I feel 280 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:42.960 like Griffin Dunn very talented director. First off, for instance, 281 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:48.480 there's a very subtle sort of judgment against Nicole Kimmens's 282 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.879 character in the film. So there's one sister who's the 283 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.200 good sister who wants babies and husbands, and then there's 284 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.360 the other sister who's the bad sister who likes sex 285 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.679 and bad boyfriend and doesn't want to get married, and 286 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:07.840 the film punishes her for two hours. And I feel 287 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.679 like a female director would have handled that a little 288 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.799 bit more, would have actually made it about the man 289 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:18.960 and not about Nicole Kimmen's bad decisions would have made 290 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.720 it about shitty men and not women making bad decisions, 291 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:25.159 which is kind of what this film does. And that's 292 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.200 what I mean about a female perspective would have helped. Similarly, 293 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.960 there's only one scene I absolutely hate in the film. 294 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:36.759 It's when all the towns women come with their brooms 295 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:41.519 and they have the little coven again. There's just an 296 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.840 implied sort of mocking going on. Look at these silly 297 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:48.159 women in their sweater sets, showing up with dustbusters and giggling, 298 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.840 And I think a female director would have leaned way 299 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:55.799 into the whole coven aspect, the sisterhood aspect, the womanhood 300 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.279 aspect of that scene, instead of making fun of a 301 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.480 bunch of housewives with Karen hare Cuts. That scene actually 302 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:05.799 pissed me off. I was like, this whole movie builds 303 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:09.600 to this moment of sisterhood, and you're kind of mocking 304 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.480 them and making them look silly. 305 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.320 Not only that it implies that they're only joining them 306 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.600 because they're going to get rid of a man again. Well, 307 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:18.039 I mean, I don't mind that. 308 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:20.399 I mean I think there is a point there, like 309 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.480 these women were prejudiced and they feared right the Owen 310 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.679 sisters and everything. But when women hear that a woman's 311 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:28.200 in trouble because of a man, they. 312 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.720 Will all come running. And again that's probably a little reductive, 313 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.399 but I didn't mind that's that aspect of it. 314 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:36.720 I actually liked that aspect of it. It's just that 315 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:38.559 when they got there, they made them all look kind 316 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.639 of silly, right, anything else? 317 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:43.120 What else? 318 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.879 I think I've covered most of what I I said 319 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.159 to Lorenzo at the start of before we even flipped 320 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:50.320 on the mics, I was like, this isn't going to 321 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:52.679 be a long, in depth conversation because this is not 322 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.759 a heavy, deep film. It is a very pleasant film. 323 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:58.879 I love it, loved watching it. 324 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.080 I agree it's a door horrible every now and then, 325 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.840 and very pleasant. It's it's sweet. It's sweet. 326 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.759 And we haven't even mentioned Diane Weed since Soccer Channing, 327 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.839 which in my memory of this film, I thought they 328 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:11.640 were in it way more, but they're actually not in 329 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:13.400 it that much. They're only in it for like a 330 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:13.920 half hour. 331 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:14.920 I adore this. 332 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.440 They're both fantastic and one subtle bit of costuming in 333 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.920 the film is, if you pay attention, all of their 334 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:25.960 clothes are about one hundred years old. Oh right, they're 335 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.240 wearing clothes from like the early late eighteen hundreds, early 336 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:33.279 nineteen hundreds, and the implication there is that they're very old. 337 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.799 They're very old, and that actually. 338 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:41.279 Gets into I think my final sort of critique of 339 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.680 the film is, and again I think the sequel will 340 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.359 probably be very different in this sense, is that there 341 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:50.200 wasn't enough magic. They were very you know, circumspect about 342 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.279 showing anything too, like so you saw a tea spoon 343 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.039 and she blows on a candle and you know, they 344 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.039 fly off the roop. They don't even show them flying 345 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:02.799 off the root, right, And again I think a female 346 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.680 director would have wanted more show more demonstrations of their power. 347 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.200 They are powerful. That is the part of the point 348 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.119 of the story is that they are powerful, and you 349 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:16.279 are not showing them as powerful at any time during 350 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:20.640 the film. They're all like bumbling, you know. So I 351 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:21.799 would have liked that. 352 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:24.559 I agree, And I think those tonal changes would have 353 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.799 worked better. Like when that goes evil spirit suddenly comes 354 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.039 out of her body, I'm like, Okay, this is weird. 355 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.240 This is just weird. It doesn't feel like any other 356 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:35.839 part of the film. But if you had actually done 357 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:38.440 more magic on camera. If you had shown them to 358 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.759 be a little bit more powerful then the I think 359 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:43.519 those shifts might have worked a little better. 360 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:46.359 But I agree with your point is it's an interesting 361 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:50.319 story that should have sort of dispensed with the romance 362 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:51.839 aspect and gone a little darker. 363 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:53.839 With a little darker, I mean the fact that the 364 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:57.160 last man, you know, the one sent a bulk is dating. 365 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:00.480 I forget the character's name. Oh so everything, it's fine, 366 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.400 and she's dating now and then the movie ends, Okay, 367 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:04.960 so we know he's gonna be dead, right, No, they 368 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:05.680 broke the curse. 369 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:09.279 Oh okay, they brought that whole I was saying, yeah, 370 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:12.000 the coven thing. They said that they broke the curse. 371 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.079 So but of course Aiden Quinn's not in the sequel, 372 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:15.319 so I guess they didn't break the carr. 373 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.599 I know that. That's my point. Not everything is clear, 374 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.640 and and it's just done very quickly and they move 375 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:23.680 on to something else. I agree, it's not a very 376 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:25.640 substantial film now. I mean, I wish we were a 377 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.119 little dark every now and then they have they wish 378 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:30.240 they had done something bad for the town, you know 379 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:34.279 that side a little more, Yeah, cynical a little more, 380 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.119 but I guess. But obviously that wasn't the goal. Oh no, 381 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.559 that wasn't what the movie was trying to achieve. It 382 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:43.680 was this sweet story about these gorgeous ladies with power 383 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.720 and you know, and love love, love, love love, which 384 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:47.279 is whatever. 385 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.319 And one final thing is I have to laugh because 386 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:54.839 again the difference is between nineteen ninety eight and twenty 387 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.039 twenty six. Now, don't get me wrong, Aiden Quinn is 388 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:59.759 very very cute in this movie, but. 389 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:00.640 He it was a mess. 390 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:02.599 His hair was a mess, his clothes were a mess, 391 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:04.640 none of his clothes fitting correctly. And I'm like, I 392 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.680 bet you that guy doesn't have abs. And who's the 393 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.519 guy in the sequel? Lee Pace of course? And that's 394 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:14.359 that's my point, is that twenty eight years ago, the 395 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:18.519 lead guy in a romance movie didn't have to be, 396 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:20.000 you know, physically flawed. 397 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:22.279 So they're still playing the same characters like all these 398 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:22.920 years later. 399 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:27.039 Have you Oh okay, wow, you really sat down not 400 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:28.000 knowing anything about what. 401 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:30.440