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Speaker 1: It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on. Thanks

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for telling a friend. That's how we spread the word about.

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Speaker 2: Boy, A lot of stuff happening in the world, and

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one of the things that's getting a lot of attention.

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And I actually heard somebody say it's a distraction. They

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don't want you to pay attention to the election because

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there's always that. It's the whole Diddy situation. And I

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was looking for someone who could talk about this. And

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this guy you've probably seen him. He's been on every

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possible news channel. I saw him on CBS New York

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and all over the place. Well, what is do you

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know what racketeering is?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if people do. Do you know what

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a rico charge is? Well, a guy who does know

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all that is defense attorney Eric Fattis, and he's very

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familiar with what's happening with Sean Diddy Combs? Hello, Eric,

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how are you good? Good to be with you, Bill.

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It's good to have you here. So let me let

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me start there, Eric, because I don't think a lot

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of people understand when we hear these things. And I've

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been told by people who have gone to law school

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that your first year of law school is like learning

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an entire new language.

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Speaker 1: Would that be true.

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Speaker 4: I think that's there's nomenclature and all sorts of jargon,

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and so I've got about a quarter of that up

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here still.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I also want to say, you're a defense attorney.

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And I always think, like I've known, I'm friends with

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a couple of defense attorneys, and I always think that

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people will say, well, how could you defend those guys?

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And I think I want a defense attorney. And the

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reason I want defense attorneys around is they protect the

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rights and freedoms. Once that starts getting trampled and there's

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no one there to call hey, you know, inside the

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lines or outside the lines, we wind up blurring the lines,

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and nobody wants that. That's not good for anybody. So

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even in this case, when we see p Diddy and

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we hear the horrific things, and there's the court of

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popular opinion, and we all can kind of have that

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knee jerk reaction, and rightfully so I think that we

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need to kind of back up and realize you need

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to have somebody there to call balls and strikes.

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Speaker 3: On the defense side, I think that's only fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, Bill.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, these allegations are alarming and they need

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to be taken seriously.

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Speaker 1: Sure, But on the flip.

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Speaker 4: Side, you know, he is presumed innocent. These are accusations

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at this point. And I always tell folks like my

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primary client is the Constitution and ensuring that the rights

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in there are protected for anyone accused of a.

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Speaker 1: Crime, right rights and freedom. So let's go.

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Speaker 2: Because he's charged with sex trafficking and racketeering. Can you

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explain what racketeering is in kind of the simplest way

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possible for dumb people like me.

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Speaker 4: Totally so racketeering that there's this law called RICO, and

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it's a federal law. It was essentially implemented to target

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criminal organizations, organized crime, mafia type stuff like that, and

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essentially what it entails is a pattern of illegal activities

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taken in furtherance of a criminal enterprise. So we're talking

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multiple people involved and in furtherance of the objectives of

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that criminal enterprise. And it's a way the government really

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can loop in a lot of peripheral actors, affiliates and

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other folks who may have been participating in some form

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Speaker 2: The direct oper Okay, so they're the abominoes will fall.

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So if I'm an associate of ditties, forgive my French,

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but I'm shitting my pants right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there, you know, clean up on Aisle

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seven be appropriate for this because they are in the

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target zone, no question.

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Speaker 1: Can you also explain what.

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Speaker 2: I guess the legal definition of sex trafficking because before you,

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I had a video chat with my mother. I know,

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sounds strange, but my mom said to me her friend

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was very happy that Diddy was getting in trouble because

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she's so tired of hearing the sex trafficking. And I said,

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you know what, I'm not exactly sure, and I know

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this sounds what sex trafficking is. Yes, underage girls being

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forced to sex traffic. But I've we had a bust

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in the town I'm in years ago that there were

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some people who were brought over to the country. They

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worked for a nal salon that was also doing hand

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jobs on the side, but not the nail hand jobs,

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and they got busted. And I think that part of

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that was sex trafficking in that they were working off

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their debt for being brought to this country. That would

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be sex trafficking. So what's happening like is sex trafficking prostitution?

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be almost a transaction between two consenting adults, even though

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it's illegal in certain parts of the country.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel you, a bill.

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Speaker 4: I think sex trafficking requires a little more than that,

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just sort of organized prostitution. Usually, what it entails is

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folks luring in people of vulnerable populations, young women who

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might not have their resources, and then essentially pressuring them

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or coercing them through fraud or deception or even force

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to engage in a sort of a larger operation of

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sex trafficking. It's usually not limited to one instance, it's

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multiple allegations over time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so now Diddy's accused of sex trafficking, but then

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we also had the raids of his house. You had

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ar fifteen's assault rifles found with the serial numbers scratched off.

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Video evidence of some of the things that we know

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went on. I don't know why. It's the same thing

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I tell my fourteen year old kid, you don't need

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to video everything because it will come back to bite you.

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Speaker 3: And on the.

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Speaker 2: Other side, then, of course, the salacious thing would be

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the thousand bottles of baby oil, which I go. I

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don't know whose job that was to buy, but the

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only thing I can think is you probably should have

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done that during the pandemic because no one would have

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thought anything of it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody was in size.

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Speaker 2: But if you're going in, how do you buy thousands

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of bottles of baby oil?

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know unless you put down.

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Speaker 2: But as an organization, this guy could go away himself

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for decades, oh without question.

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Speaker 4: The sex trafficking by force, frauduical words and the second

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charge in the indictment is extremely serious, carries potentially decades

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in prison. You have the rico charge on top of that,

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which can, to you know, help multiply the potential sentence.

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purposes is the third charge. All of these things are

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very grave and you know, very high stakes in terms

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of criminal litigation.

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Speaker 2: So he would have these parties that in some of

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the stuff you read, and I don't know how old

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you are, you look like a fairly young guy. But

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back when I was a young guy, there was the Inquirer,

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and we would make fun of the Inquirer and you'd

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read it in the shopping as you were checking out

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of the grocery store. But they busted a lot of

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stories first. They broke a lot of stories. I think

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you can go back to politicians with affairs and different things.

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TMZ to me has become an amazing source on this

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sort of thing, and they seem to be. I think

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something just came across just a few minutes ago with

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TMZ about this ditty case and what's happening there.

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Speaker 1: Do we know?

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Speaker 2: I think they were talking about other associates. Have you

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heard of others already being I don't know, arrested, brought

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up on charges, something other Domino starting to fall, Bill.

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard of any folks specifically being identified, which

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is a little uncommon. Usually in a RICO case, when

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they do the takedown, they do the arrest, They got

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the kingpin who they identified, and then there's the underlings,

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the affiliates, the associates. Those folks are usually roped in

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from the outset with criminal charges. Here the prosecution has

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not done that, and I think it's kind of a

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form of strategy, but an uncommon in a typical real

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I haven't heard of any folks being identified yet. There

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was allegedly a high level record executive that was associated

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with Ditty that resigned this week, and so there are

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rumors speculating as to what if there is any connection

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there at all, but no one has been specifically disclosed

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by the government yet.

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Speaker 2: Now he's being held without bail, right, no option for bail.

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Speaker 3: I think there was. He tried to get bail, and

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I thought.

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Speaker 2: There was right, I won't, I won't hang out with

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women or something, Okay, But he went to he ran

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to and I'm going to forget. It wasn't the Bahamas,

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But what was it? Like Bahama Light? I know that's

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not it, but it was something some private islands. Can

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we extradite people from other places like that? Or there

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are laws on the local land that would prevent someone.

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So I bring that up because let's say I am

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the record executive and I go, oh shit, I knew

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I shouldn't have gotten to that party, or I knew

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I shouldn't have done that. If he takes off, is

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there any way to bring that person back or no?

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Speaker 3: At this point it's a solid point bill.

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Speaker 4: So you know, there are certain countries with which the

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US is more friendly and extradition is easier, they're more cooperative,

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and there are certain countries where that's not right, and

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so surely there's a risk that these affiliates could get

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down and leave the country and you know, never to

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be found again. There are measures that the government can

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take to try to get them back, but they're not

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always affected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 2: Why did he come Not that you wouldn't necessarily know this,

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but were you surprised that he came back after he

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took off that first time and then there.

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Speaker 1: Were the raids? What brought him?

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Speaker 2: I don't under stand then, or is it just hubris

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you think you're really truly above all of it.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm wondering if that's playing a role here.

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Speaker 4: When you listen to his attorneys, so initially they were saying, hey,

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did he did none of this? And there is no evidence,

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and he is one inocent and then the Cassie video

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comes out and then they start to kind of back

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beat on and they say, oh, well you know that happened.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but the other stuff he definitely didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: I think they've been a little bit too, you know,

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overstating their case, a little overconfident. Maybe part of that

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is coming from their client who thinks that, hey, I'm untouchable,

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I'm you know, Teflon Dawn type and this isn't going

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to come down on me.

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Speaker 5: But here we are this week and he is mind bars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Any chance that he would get bail at all?

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In your opinion? I mean, I know, trying twice, I

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would assume the answer is no. But would there be

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any case or what would you do as his defense

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attorney to try to get that?

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Speaker 4: You know, I think there's the pen's attorney's did a

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reasonably good job at presenting their bail package. It was

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they offered fifty million dollars. I think they were using

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property as collateral. They offered that he wouldn't talk with

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any or he wouldn't associate with women, and that kind

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of thing.

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Speaker 5: What more can you do? They also got a former jail.

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Speaker 4: Director or something like that to say, hey, did his

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life is probably in danger while he's incarcerated. That's as

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much as you can really give to a court. I'm

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not sure what else they could do, but due to

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the gravity of the charges and some of the allegations

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of witness tampering, the judge said, no go, You're stand

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locked up till this thing is over.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: When have you read the entire case?

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Speaker 2: I assume these are pages upon pages upon pages and

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stuff in some of the accusations. You know, you try

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to keep the victims' names out of things. Obviously, Cassie

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has come out and she was one of the first

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ones to bring charges, and I think there have been

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more sense then. But are there any men? There's been

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a lot of alleged and no one's stepping up and

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saying anything but alleged that hey, did he hit on me?

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I mean, fifty cent has not been silent about all

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this stuff, saying, you know, an awful lot of things.

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And then there was even this uncomfortable thing where you

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saw video in the past of Justin Bieber when he

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was very young at this party. And then you listen

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lyrics that come out in songs. So I'm just wondering,

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have you seen are there men accusing him of sexual

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assault or sex trafficking them?

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Speaker 4: So here's what I've seen, at least as far as

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the crew goes. It's unclear whether they've identified any male victims,

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but in terms of the civil allegations, there have been

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multiple male victims allegedly come forward claiming that there was

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sexual impropriety involving them. You know, they're above and beyond that,

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there are rumors within the hip hop industry that this

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kind of thing has been going on and it's involved

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men and sex acts and everything else. And so is

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that a piece of the entire ditty saga?

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Speaker 5: I think it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's so weird because you heard all these

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rumors about the entertainment industry, whether it be film, music

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or whatever, for years, and it was always sort of

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I guess rumors, and no one could really say unless

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they were involved, and you had people who were emphatically no,

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you have no idea what goes on, and then something

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like this it's pretty eye opening for people because I go, wow,

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how freaky do you get even to call it a

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freak off?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 2: And then how do you, how do you find the

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people that go all right, your job is to buy

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all this stuff and then clean it all up after

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a couple of days. I mean, I go boy, tell you.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think for the longest time, there were

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many folks who had an allegiance to Ditty. He had

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a lot of power in the hip hop and so

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folks were not talking on that basis. In certain communities,

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it's just frowned upon to provide information to the government

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and stuff like this. So I think that was protecting

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him for a long time. But I think we're going

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to begin to see the cards fall and folks coming

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out of the woodwork becoming government witnesses in part to

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protect themselves from their own potential criminal liability.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you hear things like racketeering and reco

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charge and as you said, that's usually associated with the

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mafia or the mob, you would think in some way

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he's got to have a law a big reach, and

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that there's somebody somewhere that you would be very afraid

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of to say anything. That's why, I mean, you know,

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it's very easy when we see and take it to anybody.

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Domestic abuse happening. You know, people always go, well, why

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why did someone stay? And Cassie was there for a

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long time, and you see this, and I go, I

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think that it would be almost impossible to leave in

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a way that because of these threats and because of

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this reach and to your point, I mean the government,

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you know, to go into almost would.

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Speaker 1: They put people in witness protection for a case like this?

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, yeah, really certainly on the table, I think.

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And you know, when you look at the sort of

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bread of the allegations, we're talking some scary stuff kit

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not only sexual assault, physical assault obviously, but kidnapping, arson,

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we're talking about bribery, we're talking about cover ups. And

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so it appears, at least according to the government, that

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this is a wide ranging criminal operation that certainly had

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some power to make folks do what they wanted them

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to do.

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Speaker 3: Man, we're not what do we see what happens next

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in the case?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So next, you know, certainly from the government's perspective, there

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was a press conference where the federal prosecutor essentially said, hey,

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Diddy did not do this alone, and we are not

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done with these charges. I think they're telegraphing to potential

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affiliates and participants that Hey, you've got a short window

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during which you need to come forward and give us

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some information.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise you're going to be next.

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Speaker 3: On this, right, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: So it's all okay, this is telegraphing in a way

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that you become a U turn, you become the proverbial snitch,

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that's right.

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Speaker 4: And what the government does is they will oftentimes afford

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immunity to those folks. They'll say, hey, you were engaged

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in some dastardly stuff here, but if you come and

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help us put ditty behind bars forever, we're gonna make

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it so that you not only don't go to jail,

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but a potentially protected afterwards through something like the Witness

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Protection program.

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Speaker 2: I heard that snitches get stitches, but I don't know

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anything about that. I just wow, very interesting and great,

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great analysis on all of it. Eric Fattish, thank you

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very much.

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Speaker 6: Eric.

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Speaker 1: Where will we see you pop up next? Gush?

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Speaker 4: You know I did film for Doctor Phil recently. I

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was on his show that should be coming up soon.

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We are in talks about a potential reality show and

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then beyond that, I'll be on Core TV at one

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pm Man one pm Mountain.

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Speaker 2: Time, Okay, one pm Mountain time, so that would be

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three pm our time. All right, well we'll be looking

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for you, Eric Fattish, thank you for your time, a great,

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great insight on the ditty case, and thank you for

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explaining it kind.

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Speaker 3: Of for dummies.

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Speaker 5: Till next time, billing.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks so much. There he goes Eric Fattis.

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All right, we will take a moment, be right back.

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Speaker 3: You got the kids back to school.

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Speaker 5: Make me feel.

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Speaker 1: We're dropping this on a Monday.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you need a new drug to get through a Monday.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You know, everything starts with an idea, even if it's

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Ditty and the freak off parties that he had and

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you heard Eric Fattis talking about that, but I thought

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it'd be fun to go back and talk to guys.

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It started with an idea. If you go back to

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episode two sixty six, it's Charlie Fitzsimmons' fun equal success

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and that's really what Charlie was all about, and I

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thought I would give you a little bit of that,

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maybe some Monday motivation from episode two sixty six, where

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you can hear the rest of this conversation. Here's some

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of Charlie Fitzimmons, the owner of Tronta Jojo and Black

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and Blue, telling you about fun equaling success. This guy,

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Charlie Fitzsimmons, I met Charlie Annimo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that was that was you.

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Speaker 2: You know what's so weird is so I forget who

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I was telling the story to. It was Uncle Roger,

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who it was the twentieth anniversary yesterday of his murder,

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which I have an unpiepular opinion on sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Oh, how so you're for it?

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Speaker 2: No, but I I'll say, I'll say this because we're

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twenty years past.

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Speaker 3: I think at this point, I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: So years ago, I would like I.

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Speaker 2: Would drive Rogs to meetings when Stanley was the program

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director and we were all there, and we would meet

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at Stan's house on Harvard Street. Roger asked me to

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pick him up and we'd go over and do this.

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And there was a time in the studio that he

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had left his sweatshirt like on the chair and he

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was out doing production and I.

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Speaker 3: Moved it and his gun fell out.

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Speaker 2: Oh and it was just in like a zip up sweatshirt,

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not in a holst or anything, just in the side

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pocket of this thing just fell out.

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Speaker 3: I fuck it, almost shit.

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Speaker 1: I'm picking the thing up like yeah, like, oh my god.

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So I said to him, Hey, I'm really sorry. Oh

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your gun fell out.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do, so I just I'm

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basing it on this. They've never been able to find anybody.

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Nobody really knows what happened. He did own property and

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he was collecting rent.

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Speaker 1: But is it.

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Speaker 2: Possible that the gun went off and hit him in

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the abdomen? Do you understand what I'm saying, not on purpose,

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but a pure accident. Could something have happened? Could he

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have been startled where he had the gun he reached for.

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Speaker 1: It to do something.

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Speaker 2: And I only say that because and it sounds terrible

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and you're blaming the victim kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: That people always say with this. But there wasn't any

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secure way. It was just only from my own experience.

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It's just you. We had to you see what I'm saying.

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And it was in the side pocket and if that's

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where you kept it right and.

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Speaker 2: It and he was shot in the abdomen, is it

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possible that you reached inside to get it and accidentally

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it went off and no one really could tell.

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Speaker 1: Guy he was the nicest, sweetest guy, nicest sweetest guy.

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He bound me out some. You know, he bailed you

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really well, just with the morning show because I had

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to get up and he'd turn over the mic to

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the wei show. And I was the producer at that time.

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I was twenty three, twenty four, so getting up at

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that hour was you know, that was half the challenge.

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you know, six oh five, six ' ten or something. Yeah,

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and he'd be giggling and he's just so sweet. I

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got you, I got you, go do your thing, and

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then I come in. He'd here, he put on Freebird,

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you know, a real long song, and then I come in.

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Speaker 3: And wear are my notes? That's uh so he was. Yeah,

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it was twenty years he died, and it was uh so.

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00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: He would sing to Patamas. He'd sing Mire Animal and

479
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,240
then I asked you if you do it? No, it

480
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,799
is yeah, that's it was him. It was his thing.

481
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,759
And then you produced that thing and then I used

482
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:57,440
to use it all the time. But what I find

483
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:03,599
most fascinating with you is you have the might as touch.

484
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,920
It's like every now I know that that that we're looking,

485
00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,559
I'm looking from the outside and we see all this stuff.

486
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:14,079
But I knew you through radio. You had produced the

487
00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:19,319
Brother We Show. Super talented, very creative. You went and

488
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,039
started doing the production and they really wanted you to stay.

489
00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:26,039
And it was around that time that you left and

490
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,359
you no one really knew what's Charlie going to do.

491
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,880
And there was talk of he's going to open a

492
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,240
restaurant bar and I don't know what your brother Phil did,

493
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:38,559
but the what I remember was he's from La, or

494
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,319
went to la he was a corporate guy.

495
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: He's coming back.

496
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: They're going to do this thing. They're going to open

497
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,680
up and it was a long time. It seemed like

498
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,079
a long time. And I only say that because our

499
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,519
mutual friend Tommy Mulay used to look for restaurants that

500
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:54,240
had opened and closed before.

501
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,519
Speaker 1: You even open yours.

502
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:03,279
Speaker 2: And then Tonic opens, and to me, you built the

503
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,759
East End. You were the anchor of what became the

504
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:10,160
East End Entertainment district for and really I think proved

505
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:13,319
that that was a viable area.

506
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: I really do.

507
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: I think that the housing and everything was was kind

508
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,920
of you showed it.

509
00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: Others came down and did it as well. Well, I

510
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:24,400
thank you. We went from zero to plus one. You

511
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,880
know there was nothing down there. Yeah, so I guess

512
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,119
we were the first ones. We had success. But that

513
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,480
police would get you reminded me of so many stories.

514
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,160
I'll bounce around one thing before I forget the gun thing.

515
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,400
Did I never tell you about when we'z and I

516
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,920
went to Did you hear that story? I heard it.

517
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,359
It wasn't that.

518
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,599
Speaker 3: It's no, it is it is because you're you were.

519
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,559
Speaker 1: When I was producing with Weez, we got the opportunity.

520
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:50,680
Had a good friend whose name's going to escape me,

521
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,039
but he was the film critic for USA Today.

522
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah it was Rex read Uh no no, no, no, no, no

523
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,680
was the party yeah, yes he was.

524
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,799
Speaker 3: No, this was Marshall Fine.

525
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, Marshall Fine. So we got the opportunity

526
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,880
to go down and he took I was sort of

527
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,519
his plus one. So we went to New York and

528
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:17,200
got to go to the Rainbow Room for this you know,

529
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,279
kind of smallish party. There were probably it looked like

530
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:25,000
a decent sized wedding, but Paul Newman's there, Robert Redford.

531
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,680
It was pulp fiction time, so all those people were

532
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,359
in there.

533
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that.

534
00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was really fun. That was like that Saturday, okay,

535
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,319
and I forget what table we're at, but it was

536
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,519
really really cool. But the night before we went to

537
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,559
this exclusive, invite only cocktail party, like on the Upper

538
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:52,279
West Side, and at that time, I don't know if

539
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,680
it still is, but you couldn't have firearms in New

540
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,759
York City. It was a jallible offense.

541
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think even if you go back, if

542
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:02,559
you're remember Plexical Burrs, the football player for the Giants,

543
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,720
you need an additional license in New York City to

544
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:08,279
carry a concealed weapon, so you can have the New

545
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,359
York State concealed weapon and needing an additional license for

546
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,000
New York City.

547
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: And it's no joke. It is not fine. You go

548
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,200
to like, yeah, Burs, he was off the teams. Right,

549
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:23,759
We're in this fancy, you know, small cocktail party. It's

550
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:28,359
like a three bedroom apartment, and we didn't really know anyone,

551
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,279
so sort of huddle together on this little couch, just

552
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,680
checking people out. And at one point he who he's

553
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:40,160
just getting up to go get a cocktail or food

554
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,079
or something. He's like, you know, bra, sate my seat.

555
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:44,839
So he gets up to Lenor and by the way,

556
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,240
there's most of the people are skewed pretty old there.

557
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,240
So back in that time, I'd say, you know, I'm

558
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,920
twenty four, twenty five, so they're all mid forties to

559
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,039
mid sixties. There's not many young.

560
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: People, right, and and probably I'm gonna say almost blue

561
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:05,119
butt blood.

562
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: It sounds like if I remember like Helen mirr U, Yes,

563
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,440
she was there. Yeah, so I didn't know a lot

564
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:16,440
of the people, but it was definitely it was money.

565
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,559
Speaker 2: People, right, you had it like and some of its

566
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:22,799
old money some of these people, right, yeah, yeah.

567
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:23,759
Speaker 3: There's a difference.

568
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: We were. We were kind of sticking out well more

569
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,799
so while I had long hair and I'm the you know,

570
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:35,400
the youngest by good fifteen years, it seemed other than

571
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,960
the waite staff. And I have long hair, so like,

572
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160
who's this guy you know? And then they find out nobody.

573
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,240
So so we's is getting up and he's leaning over

574
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,720
and boom boom, and I go back to that when

575
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,759
you picked up Roger's gun. They're heavy, Yeah, a little

576
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,960
compact I've never had. I hadn't really, I haven't found

577
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,119
that often. So he gets up and boom boom, there's

578
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,559
just noise and slide across on a hardwood floor is

579
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,519
a gun. I had no idea he was carrying a gun.

580
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,680
And by the way, we's in these blue buds, has

581
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,799
his sleeves pulled up, and he doesn't have you know,

582
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,799
maybe two square inches that it doesn't have ink on it,

583
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:19,000
and you know, he looks he doesn't. At that time

584
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,680
he didn't tattoos weren't all that big, so they were

585
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,279
like movie star. It was sort of like.

586
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: Who's this dude?

587
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: And the gun slides over, and the look on these

588
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:32,960
people's faces, they're mortified. They's not even just they suddenly

589
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:38,799
went from oh my god, I'm scared and a biker.

590
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,519
You know, he looked like he's got a gun. There's

591
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:47,079
somehow's angels sitting there with a gun, and and it

592
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,079
changed the whole mood. And it was just so funny.

593
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,960
He was so funny because he was so ridiculously uncomfortable laughing.

594
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,519
We he coul keep kicking it. There he picked. So

595
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,279
he picked it up, you know, and kind of stuffed

596
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,519
it in and you could kind of see news is

597
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:08,119
traveling pretty quickly. But we got out of there. That

598
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,559
was the one thing I want to come. And then

599
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,480
the the second thing you're talking about it opening the

600
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:17,440
rest the Tonic. Yeah, and you're saying it seemed like forever,

601
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400
and it did. It did take forever. But back in

602
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,240
those days, well.

603
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,039
Speaker 2: I thought it took like eleven months if I if

604
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,200
I'm and I may be wrong, that's I don't know

605
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,119
why that stuck. Because I would argue with Tommy that, like,

606
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,920
because there was a place in Penfield that it opened

607
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,559
then closed. He goes, hey, the place you can find that.

608
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,359
We were laughing our asses off, and then I said

609
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:46,640
to him, well that's not really fair. And then there

610
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:50,480
was I don't look, you're building out of space. Yeah,

611
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:53,559
and I don't know what I'm doing, okay, but you

612
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:54,240
know you're hiring.

613
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think that was it. Yeah, I sure

614
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,039
honestly thought, because I would tell people like about six weeks,

615
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:05,200
and you know, some people I know better than others

616
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,119
would be like, you should just call it six weeks

617
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:09,720
because every time I see you say, six weeks. Yeah,

618
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,359
but it took a really long time, and really because

619
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,000
I didn't know what I was doing. And I think

620
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,319
that was almost a blessing too. You know, ignorance is bliss.

621
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,359
Speaker 3: Oh boy, I'll tell you that.

622
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: Because I wouldn't have if I had I known. I think,

623
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,599
if someone laid out in front of me, this is

624
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:26,720
how long it's going to take, this is how much

625
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:28,519
it's going to cost, and all that stuff, I probably

626
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:30,480
wouldn't have done it. But you know, you just kind

627
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,359
of charge ahead and eventually opened it. Oh but I

628
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,799
want to tell you, at that time, I was trying

629
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:43,640
to figure out a way that I could get fired

630
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:49,200
and get some money while I while I switch over

631
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,079
and become full time bar guy. Yes, and it was

632
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,880
so funny because I no.

633
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: Idea what I was doing fighting with them. Yeah, okay,

634
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,880
so at the time we had a program director.

635
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Harry Jacobs.

636
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,559
Speaker 2: Harry Jacobs, and Harry was a guy that was very

637
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,359
into Harry.

638
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: Harry did things. Now that's that's fair, and I have

639
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,680
to be careful. It's a hard time because he was

640
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,440
a nice guy. Yeah, he was a nice guy. He

641
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:18,119
was just different.

642
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,079
Speaker 2: He would yeah, but he would do things like we

643
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,440
talked about it on the podcast at one point where

644
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,559
he would call her nine. Basically would he would invite

645
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:29,960
her up, have her wait in the lobby, and then

646
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,920
have everybody tell her what she looked what she looked like.

647
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,440
Because he wanted a dater, he would start conversations.

648
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,519
Speaker 3: With women and then invite them up.

649
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: They'd be in the lobby and he was only on

650
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,240
from four to six pm, but that was like his

651
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,960
dating hours, and like he would meet these women and

652
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,839
they would come up and some of them were.

653
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:47,599
Speaker 6: Color.

654
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:49,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like call her nine. He dated, call

655
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,240
her nine.

656
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: But I remember, like when they come up and see

657
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,119
him and be like that you did. I remember you

658
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,440
changed the production hours. You were there from six to

659
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,519
three and man at two you're it's hilarious.

660
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:02,119
Speaker 6: Yeah.

661
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:03,759
Speaker 1: So what I was trying to do, and I'm no

662
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,279
good at it because I know it's just out of

663
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,599
my DNA, you know, to to to try to get fired.

664
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,279
But somehow I got that stupid idea in my head like, well,

665
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:21,559
if I get fired, I can still make money through

666
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,240
unemployment insurance, which I knew nothing about, and then I

667
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,559
could go jump over and start doing my restaurant or

668
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:31,599
the bar for all time because I was worried about

669
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,119
making making money. I had a friend, a smarter friend

670
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,599
in college that was in labor law at the time.

671
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:39,079
So I call him like how do I do this?

672
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,519
And he was you know, he wasn't an attorney for

673
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,640
that long, but he gave me some points. I'm like,

674
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,079
here's what you need to do. You know, no matter what,

675
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:55,680
you can't you can't quit, ok you have to get

676
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,720
fired and that's you know that that's justification for being

677
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,640
able to collect unemployment. So I'm like, Okay, how do

678
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,759
I do that. He's like, well, just you know, essentially

679
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:10,639
start being a dick, you know. And then one of

680
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,159
the other things he said was you got to follow

681
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:20,679
the rules, but claim that they're making the environment there

682
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,960
difficult for you to be able to do.

683
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: Your job toxic work environment.

684
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like but this is like before this is like, well,

685
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,440
this is I had no idea. There was just planning,

686
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:40,119
full planning, and you know, the execution was terrible. But

687
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,719
that was kind of building up to him. I'm like, Okay,

688
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,360
well listen, I'm not coming in until this time because

689
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,639
blah blah blah. So I'd only come in at a

690
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:57,079
particular hour, and then I would say that people coming

691
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,360
into the studio was making it difficult for me to

692
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,559
be able to do my job, So you can't come, yes, yes,

693
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:05,320
except for certain hours. Remember the sign It was like,

694
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,280
you can't enter. Oh god, I because I'm at my core.

695
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,760
I'm actually a pretty nice guy.

696
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: Well you are, and everybody loved you there, well I

697
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:18,400
mean legitimately loved you, like how creative you were.

698
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: So they were doing everything they could to save you.

699
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,119
Speaker 2: And then I remember the GM being all confused as

700
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,119
the one understand I had to.

701
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: Have all I had to have somebody in the organization

702
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:34,440
to be kind of my foil. I don't know if

703
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,079
that's the right word. Yes, you know, yes, I had

704
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:40,960
to blame someone to make the environment that I was,

705
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,719
you know, in such an environment that I wasn't able

706
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,440
to do my job. So Harry Jacobs perfect was the enemy. Yes,

707
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,599
And it was tough for me to get that mad

708
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,400
at someone, you know, and I feel kind of bad.

709
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,559
But so I was making Harry Jacobs the person that

710
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:02,400
was making my job unable to do so, and I

711
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,760
remember at one point time was ticking because we're getting

712
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,760
close to opening. We're not so much opening the place,

713
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,400
but I needed to spend more time there because we

714
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,079
were there being the new bar, because we're hanging drywall. Yes,

715
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,960
you know, so you're doing all the wire?

716
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: Were you doing all that?

717
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god? It was you know, and I knew

718
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,559
nothing about it. I was, you know, middle class kid

719
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,119
out up bright and my dad was a single it

720
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,360
was an attorney, but self employed attorney. So we would

721
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,960
hire people to hang drywall. And then part of the

722
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,400
deal was we'll give you the job if you let

723
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,960
us work with you. So my brother would work with

724
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:41,559
like the electrician, I'd work with like the drywaller, and

725
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,000
then I figure out how they did it, or assumed

726
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,400
I figured it out, and then we'd let them go

727
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,159
and then we do it ourselves. Okay. So I was

728
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,400
getting to a point where, you know, that's like tradesmen

729
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,000
in school, one oh one weekend class. So it got

730
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:57,280
to a point where I'm like, well, I got to

731
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,920
get over there and work. So I got to get fired,

732
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:00,679
you know, I got to figure out how to do it.

733
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:04,360
So I remember, I finally we set up this meeting

734
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:10,679
with who's the little guy that he was a good dude,

735
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:14,400
and I set up a meeting with him to saying,

736
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,000
you know, drawing the line, I can't work here anymore.

737
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,320
This environment is too bad. So I'm in there with

738
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,119
him and he's like, dude, what's the deal. And I

739
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,480
couldn't let on. You know that I was coached that

740
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:32,199
way that you can't let on. And obviously, so I'm like,

741
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:37,760
this guy's just made it. He's created an environment that's,

742
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,360
you know, made it impossible for me to do my job.

743
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:42,760
And then that's where we went into like Okay, I'll

744
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,880
limit your hours, no one can come see you. You

745
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,960
can just work nine to five. You can do whatever

746
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,519
you want. And I'm like, okay, fine, And then part

747
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,400
two was I had to get in there with him

748
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,480
and he's like, what's going on. I'm like, and I

749
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,320
just kept reciting this line. You know, he's made it,

750
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:00,519
you know, he's created an environment work. I want to

751
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,360
do my job. And he's like, what are you doing?

752
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,119
He's like, are you talking to an attorney or something?

753
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:10,960
You sound like a complete tool. And eventually did I cracked.

754
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,719
I just couldn't. I'm like, I don't know, I'm just

755
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,639
you know, he's he he's smarter than me.

756
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: He's a bright guy. He's like a very good businessman.

757
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,559
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not letting this, you know, hair Ball

758
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,280
tell me what to do. So he just eventually smoked

759
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,480
me out, you know, and I and and I ended

760
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:30,880
up leaving. But it was very funny. Did you so

761
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,400
how what I paid for it? By the way in karma,

762
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,400
you know, employee relations and trying to get you know,

763
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:43,239
I'm like, so you leave when you left, yeah, you

764
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,800
didn't get fired, so I didn't get fired. I and

765
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,000
I and I don't even know if that would have worked.

766
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,440
You know, at that point, I didn't know what he

767
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,519
was talking about. So he left and went over and

768
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,880
kind of finished building out the restaurant and got into

769
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,599
that stuff and figured out we didn't neither of us

770
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,840
knew how to run a restaurant or build a restaurant.

771
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,920
Why why? Why? Why this? Why the move from?

772
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:07,079
Speaker 3: I mean, you're really.

773
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,679
Speaker 1: No, you know, it's just that kind of guy that

774
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,199
I would How old are you at this point? I

775
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,000
was twenty seven, twenty seven when I made that switch.

776
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,920
I think we opened when I was twenty eight. But

777
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,480
you know, I never I never really had a concern

778
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:35,800
of making money or being successful or getting when getting

779
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,039
the things I needed, you know, in life, like and

780
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,000
I didn't have a high bar. It's not like I've

781
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,119
needed a big house or you know. I was just

782
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,840
sort of like someone that would, oh, this seems kind

783
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,679
of cool. And I and I liked creative stuff, you know,

784
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,039
I like being in radio, not the sales side, but

785
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:56,480
the creative side. I liked building things and I and

786
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,719
I really didn't. I wasn't a good student. Really, I

787
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,480
wasn't an applied student. You know, I do homework. I

788
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:04,440
just take people's nose.

789
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,119
Speaker 2: You went to McQuaid, and I have a son who

790
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,519
went to McQuaid. I wouldn't say the McQuaid was maybe

791
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,719
not necessarily academically harder than any school in the area.

792
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: It just gave you a lot of work.

793
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: Like my kid was in an AP English class where

794
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,239
they were reading and discussing a book, but you also

795
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,719
had to read two other books and write three papers

796
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,320
on each book a paper. That's a tremendous amount of

797
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,880
work for high school.

798
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: I think that's increased though from when I went.

799
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: Well, this was an ap and Jordan wanted to prove

800
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:38,519
to the world that he could do whatever.

801
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,559
Speaker 1: And mentioned coming into the podcast, my kid's a six

802
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:43,519
year old, six year old sixth grader.

803
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is I think the smartest time to start.

804
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,519
It's a really great environment for it, and I think

805
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:53,639
it's great for boys to you know, less distraction, a

806
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,559
little more focused. I think it breeds more competition, which

807
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:58,079
I think is.

808
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: Good compete, healthy competition. Yeah, it was when I went,

809
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,079
it wasn't quite so uh developed, you know, like now

810
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,199
it looks like an academy. When I went, it was

811
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:16,920
a Catholic high school. So the workload, you know, I

812
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,480
had nothing to base it off of, but it was manageable,

813
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:24,159
and I got by with c's you know, c pluses

814
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:28,119
and stuff like that. And then I the only college

815
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:32,119
I got into, the only thick envelope was John Carroll University.

816
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:35,360
No offense John Carroll, sorry, but which I hear is

817
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,039
getting more and more difficult. That's a Jesuit school, and

818
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,079
so I think they had kind of like this agreement

819
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,119
with mcquaide. You know, they'll take us, and that's sort

820
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,920
of like that Catholic Christian you know, give us your week,

821
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,760
you're scart whatever.

822
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,519
Speaker 2: The Jesuit schools and Jesuit institutions are considered academically superior

823
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,719
to GST, you know, I mean one of the best

824
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:04,639
I think, uh in chicag is it Loyola Jesuit School

825
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,039
really really highly rated and like I was hoping my

826
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:09,880
kid would go on to a Jesuit college.

827
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well there's some I applied to them, some

828
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,679
of the nicer ones. Yeah. And I was telling someone

829
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,559
because I'm at that age now where our kids are

830
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,719
starting to look at schools and apply to schools and

831
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,320
you're learning about, you know, where do people want to go?

832
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,719
But when I was applying, remember it was like thirty

833
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,960
bucks an application, which was a fortune, and I had

834
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,440
to pay for them through whatever, and my parents would

835
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,000
help me out with some of the applications. But it

836
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,760
got to a point where my dad would be like,

837
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,400
what are you doing. You know, that's a waste of money.

838
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,559
You're never going to get in there. Really, it was like,

839
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,719
can I have thirty bucks that apply to University of Vermont?

840
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,559
It will be like a reach for me. Back then,

841
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,440
So I applied to maybe nine schools and I get

842
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,599
in that any or eight? Yeah, I got into one.

843
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,360
I went to John Carroll. But and John Carroll even

844
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,559
I was just you know, I could I could manage

845
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,239
the system and get by yea, and I love the experience.

846
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,239
But I wasn't a student. You know, Yes, sometimes I

847
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,559
think I would like to go back, But then I'm like,

848
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,159
you know, a zebra and his colors, and you know,

849
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,079
I did it for a week. I go this, Yeah,

850
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,920
I wouldn't study. I just didn't have that.

851
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: But there is but there's a there's a difference because

852
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,519
I think like they've done studies with young kids where

853
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,239
they have kids do a test and then they say

854
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,360
to them, Wow, you're so smart.

855
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: You really did great.

856
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,159
Speaker 2: And they tell another group of kids to take the

857
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,480
same test. Man, you worked so hard you did your

858
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,360
effort was amazing. And then they give the test again

859
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,360
and the kids that were told about effort scored higher

860
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:59,800
than the kids that were told how academically.

861
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: Superior or small? Aren't they work?

862
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: Really?

863
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a psychological study I was just reading about.

864
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,800
So it's always about effort and when you think for yourself.

865
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,360
You know, one one of the things I always said

866
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,039
about radio was there was nothing tangible. At the end

867
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,280
of the day. You didn't have anything tangible. You sort

868
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,039
of did in production when you were doing that, you

869
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,360
had something you could look at. I always liked working

870
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,880
with my hands, and I had done construction stuff in

871
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,760
high school and a little bit in college that you know,

872
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,360
at the end of the day, if I hung a door,

873
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:26,599
I could look back and do that and there's some

874
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,000
personal satisfaction in that. So as I'm hearing you talk about,

875
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:33,360
you know, building out tonic, you can look at something

876
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,599
and see the progression, and as you get further and

877
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,519
further into it, it evolves. You know, now I'm not

878
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,320
going to have this here. It's going to look better

879
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,800
over here, and the bar is going to be I'm

880
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,159
just saying that things change along the way. Yeah, and

881
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,559
you're doing it yourself. And I go back to you know,

882
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:53,239
you talked about being naive, kind of going in blind

883
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,199
the greatest thing, and I've experienced this with with the podcast.

884
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:00,840
It has been a year no rules, there are no rules,

885
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,960
so that way you don't know the barrier. The other

886
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,480
thing I would always say to people is and a

887
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,400
mutual friend of ours did this without even knowing it.

888
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,199
But I always go, if you have an idea, don't

889
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:15,039
tell anybody about it because or just some people that

890
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,599
you who are going to be sort of supportive, because

891
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:18,400
people are gonna come to.

892
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,599
Speaker 1: You and go, Charlie, you open a bar.

893
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what happens some bars.

894
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,119
Speaker 2: You guys get drunk, they lose, They never last, you

895
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:27,480
lose your money, You're gotting pissed it, And so you

896
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:29,639
get all that doubt in your head. And I'll always

897
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,000
go to people who go al. I go, wait, hang

898
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:34,679
on a second. I'll give you a biblical answer. Jesus

899
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,599
used to say, heal people and go go forth and

900
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,039
tell no one. The reason is because they're going to go. Yeah,

901
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:40,719
I'll be back in two weeks. You'll be dead.

902
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: He'll be in the ground. What are you talking about?

903
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: And so I'll just tell you I'm I'm starting the

904
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,559
podcast and I'm thinking of doing stuff. And you know,

905
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:53,639
my exit from radio was a little traumatic and then

906
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,960
a little bumps. And I get a call from our

907
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,559
old friend Bull Yes, and he goes, what are you

908
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,000
gonna do? And I said, I had just ordered all

909
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,239
this equipment and so I'm gonna do podcasts.

910
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: I was doing that, Yeah, I was doing in the

911
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,920
basement and yeah.

912
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:13,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, fuck, had I had that

913
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:17,239
conversation before I ordered the equipment, I wouldn't have spent

914
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:17,679
the money.

915
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you're like, it's ball. It's kind of

916
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,320
a I always liked.

917
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: But I so it was just an interesting thing, and

918
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,679
I would think you probably had to run into that.

919
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my dad pulled me aside and go, what

920
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,440
are you doing? Like a bar? Yeah, you know you

921
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,360
went to McQuaid, you're going to John Carroll And yes,

922
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,119
I just wasn't you know, in our family culture. I

923
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,119
don't know what so you really so this was just

924
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,280
something that you and your brother thought, Hey, let's try.

925
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,320
I was smarter that my brother was kind of like

926
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,719
family ties. Who's the young kid Michael, Yes, yes, yes,

927
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,159
Keaton or like no, but I was going to say

928
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:07,559
Michael Keith. But he would you know. He was a

929
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,199
go getter, so he come down, you know for school.

930
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,880
He had the tie on, you know, and he's already

931
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,800
a briefcase, you know, that kind of thing. And he

932
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,679
was very successful early on in life and got the

933
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,840
jobs and hustled and all that. And I was kind

934
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,199
of the goofball in the side, didn't have a path

935
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,079
sort of thing, and and eventually he circled back. He

936
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,920
was in advertising. Yeah, he was in LA working for

937
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,400
bb D n O. I think is an agency, and

938
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,519
then he was running a division of Johnson and Johnson,

939
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:43,239
the Visticon, which made disposable contact lenses. And he was

940
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,920
young at that time. When I go back and do

941
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,000
the math, I'm like, damn, that kid was successful. So

942
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,119
I think he had kind of had enough of that, yeah,

943
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,079
and was like I missed just kind of messing around

944
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:58,079
and doing stuff. So he kind of quit his job

945
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,920
or got fired or both. I think he used my tool.

946
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:06,559
He went in there and said job as well he was,

947
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,400
he said, mister Jacobs, I think he was about as

948
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:16,880
successful as I was at it. So he uh, he

949
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ended up quitting his job and joining a rock band

950
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down there and growing his hair out and just being

951
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you know, kind of goofing off for a while. And

952
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then he eventually was planning on coming back up to Rochester.

953
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And that's when I was in radio. So I was

954
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probably twenty six and he's five years my senior, so

955
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he's probably thirty one around that time. So we started

956
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looking for to build like an ad agency, a little

957
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,800
creative okay, that makes sense, and then I would sort

958
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of head up I guess the radio side, well, just

959
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the creative, which as the creative side, I didn't know

960
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:55,079
about the business side, and he had the business background

961
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as marketing director and go that. So we started looking

962
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for spaces. We bumped into this restaurant or this space

963
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on Alexander on the second floor that was GUP Signs,

964
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and prior to that it was Snyder pardon me, gup

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signs is lower Snyder auto seat cushion, which no one

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knows about you. And we walked in. We're like, damn,

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this is a nice space. This would make a really

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cool bar. And that was it.

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Speaker 2: Here the rest of my conversation with Charlie Fitzsimmons in

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guys sticking hearing the song over him, No no change

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my life.

1047
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Speaker 3: You know it's it's interesting.

1048
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 2: And Tommy Burnet's here Iron Smoke, But I said to him,

1049
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,519
I wanted to talk to him forever.

1050
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Speaker 1: And I hope that didn't freaky out Because you've had.

1051
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Speaker 2: World tours where you played in front of like thirty

1052
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,320
thousand people a night with Modern English.

1053
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: Yep, I think did you do tours with your own band?

1054
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:49,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're a solid opener like Towny Brunette band, WI

1055
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:52,400
will be playing with Like we open up for everybody

1056
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,119
from Easy Top to the Luminears. Yeah, we opened up

1057
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:59,599
for Lumineers on the roof of Whole Foods during south

1058
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:01,440
By south West and Austin.

1059
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:02,559
Speaker 1: And I love south By Southwest.

1060
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: I haven't been there in years, and I was kind

1061
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,320
of excited now that I'm doing the podcast, I go.

1062
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: Shit, let's go back.

1063
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, south By Southwest and the Montreal Comedy Fest where

1064
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:12,840
two places always wanted to take my sons.

1065
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's south By Southwest is a blast.

1066
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: When did you do that?

1067
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 6: I went every year and then all of a sudden,

1068
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:20,760
COVID hit.

1069
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,639
Speaker 1: But like it changed a little bit over the years.

1070
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: Right now it's more there's film in there, and what

1071
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,480
I don't think it's film when I was there.

1072
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 6: Film, there's like digital yeah, and then there's the music

1073
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,800
still and then there's did I say a film? Yeah yeah, film.

1074
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,039
It's crazy. They built such an amazing thing. But you

1075
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:41,199
do like five shows in a day, and usually like

1076
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,639
they'll do they'll have me do a corporate gig and

1077
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,199
then like four that are like, you know, maybe a

1078
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,880
Spin magazine party back when Spin with the thing that's fun.

1079
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So you play like and your just hues are squeaking

1080
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:55,320
because you're just done sweat, you know, from playing all

1081
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:55,840
those shows.

1082
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: So you go from when the Tommy Burnette band they

1083
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:58,639
did that.

1084
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,119
Speaker 6: But I had a pick up band from down there

1085
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:04,559
that I know the musicians down there.

1086
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: Okay, they were.

1087
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:08,679
Speaker 6: Actually living a shotgun shack. Yeah, they all live there,

1088
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,800
and I think they were going to do a film

1089
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,440
a TV show on these guys. But you go up

1090
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,079
in the mountains and all you do is play, and

1091
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,239
then they have parties after they play. At this house

1092
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,159
and literally like the shotgun shack where there's a door

1093
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:22,440
in the front and a door in the back.

1094
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:23,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you.

1095
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 6: Can shoot a shotguns through the house. So we just

1096
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,199
went there again.

1097
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: In the Hills area.

1098
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then yeah, it was like an old car

1099
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,880
with grass grown over it and the toilet with beads,

1100
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,920
like beads in it from a party.

1101
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1102
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,199
Speaker 6: That's and we did a one rehearsal and then that

1103
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,079
day like our show was like an hour after we

1104
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:46,320
did the rehearsal up there.

1105
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: Really wow, because you know, when I when I think

1106
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,679
about you, I didn't know that I didn't know that

1107
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,880
the Tommy Burnett Band had opened for all those other

1108
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,440
bands as well.

1109
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 3: I knew you had toured, but.

1110
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 6: There's oh yeah, there's more like there's like Outlaws and yeah,

1111
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,599
you know Charlie Daniels at Fingerlicks Racetrack.

1112
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 3: How was that?

1113
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: Oh it was great. Do you get to meet them?

1114
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,159
Speaker 2: Because you know, one of the things that came out

1115
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,440
yesterday was Metallica saying how disappointed they were when they

1116
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:13,880
opened for the Stones and Five because I guess somebody

1117
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,239
walked in and said, hey, Mick Jagger's going to walk

1118
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,079
through here in a second. He's going to his truck

1119
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,840
that has all an entire gym in it, and he's

1120
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,880
going to work out before the show, but don't make

1121
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:24,519
eye contact.

1122
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:25,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's the thing.

1123
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: Is that really a thing? You've been told that? Well? Not?

1124
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 6: I thought I was unfortunate. Like the top when we

1125
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,159
played the guy goes, everybody, get the f out here.

1126
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,519
Nice you're with Howie Burnett, and I'm like, I've arrived. Yeah,

1127
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,480
I didn't get kicked out, because sometimes they take your

1128
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,000
pass off you when you're done and you're out, you know,

1129
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:45,960
you don't get to be able to be back there.

1130
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,599
What was a good? Oh, George, there were good. I've

1131
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,000
played with a couple of times.

1132
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: And now George throw Good I interviewed and I had

1133
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:56,239
somebody come to me afterwards and go, he's usually a dick.

1134
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know is he.

1135
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 6: I never talk to him in the like the first

1136
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,559
couple of shows I never could have words with, Like,

1137
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,360
he just was I didn't even see him. I'm like,

1138
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,519
I'm I'm looking forward to him. Maybe I can check

1139
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:12,840
his guitars out and stuff. Nope, nothing, And then uh,

1140
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,079
the last time we played with him, they said, hey,

1141
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:17,519
you can hang out. George says you're cool or whatever,

1142
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,280
and I was like, all right, I don't know what

1143
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,599
that means, but okay. So so then he before he

1144
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,960
walked up on stage, he's like, hey man, you know, yeah,

1145
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:25,599
good job.

1146
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1147
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,679
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, that was cool. There's a story someone

1148
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,280
told me that he met Bob Dylan once and Bob

1149
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,639
Dylan went, and I love George Thorow good. I'm like,

1150
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,760
he's his tone and some of the stuff he did.

1151
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,239
But but he goes, he was really excited to meet

1152
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:44,880
Bob Dylan. He goes, Bob Dylan looks at him, goes, yeah,

1153
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,800
you're that guy who does the cover songs, because a

1154
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:53,880
lot of his songs. Yeah, but nonetheless it's George the destroyers.

1155
00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: They keep that oh god, you know horrible. I had

1156
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,960
no idea. So that's got to be something about you.

1157
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,679
Speaker 6: You realize that I don't know.

1158
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,159
Speaker 2: No, but like that vibe you're you are one of

1159
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:12,840
the most genuinely cool. I always say there's cool that

1160
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,199
anybody can be and they're not, but they could be.

1161
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:18,440
And then there's guys like you who just there. You're

1162
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,400
a cool nobody.

1163
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,079
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1164
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: You just it's a whole lifestyle. That iron smoke thing

1165
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:23,760
is a whole lifestyle.

1166
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a lifestyle. I really believe that lifestyle.

1167
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah I see that. But when I was looking up

1168
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:33,000
stuff about you, I mean one of the things that

1169
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:34,920
I know you're very humble and you won't take a

1170
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,840
lot of credit for this, but you help revitalize Fairport.

1171
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,920
Fairport's exploding and a lot.

1172
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: Of that has to do with you.

1173
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,159
Speaker 2: You took something that was a rundown area that had

1174
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:44,840
nothing for decades.

1175
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:45,239
Speaker 3: Tommy.

1176
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: You went in there and proved it could work, and

1177
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,039
now the place is exploding. Yeah, well I know it was.

1178
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:54,199
Speaker 6: It was the thing we really needed was cheap rent

1179
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:57,320
and high ceilings. So it wasn't like I had a plan, No,

1180
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:04,599
but my business partner, Steve Brown, found that location and

1181
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,440
the price, and those the high ceilings for the distilled

1182
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:12,000
the stills, and we also could have our grain bins

1183
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:13,920
out front. They look like we call them whiskey missiles

1184
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,559
when you pull up. Yeah, but those hold fresh grain.

1185
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,119
So you wanted to make sure it was the freshest ingredients.

1186
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,360
And then you know hammermill on site. See you have

1187
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,800
the fresh crushed grains kind of like Sanca or French Press.

1188
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,880
You want the French press before it goes into the

1189
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,519
the mash Ton and we use all Kentucky mindome stills.

1190
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:33,079
But when we first moved in there, there wasn't a

1191
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:35,719
parking lot, there was no electricity we put it in there.

1192
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,159
Speaker 3: It was just warehouse.

1193
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: But how do you have that vision? Like I can't.

1194
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm amazed how people can walk in to a

1195
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:47,880
place and go, yeah, it's great, and I would go,

1196
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,519
I don't know what you see, and then they remove

1197
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,639
a wall and they do something else, and then you

1198
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:55,079
got it. I think your space is one of the

1199
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:55,960
coolest I've seen.

1200
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 6: It's cool. I think, well, thank you so much. Could

1201
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,760
we work hard at it? And it's like it takes

1202
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,760
the village to make a bottle of whiskey now, but

1203
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,079
it's so it's it's everybody kicking in in thoughts. Like

1204
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:10,440
when we were going to open the the tasting room.

1205
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:14,159
We had a Christmas party and that room was full

1206
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:17,239
of like washing machines, no windows falling down. There was

1207
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,880
a ramp going into their building. Oh yeah, that's the

1208
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,239
tasting room that we have the concerts in there and stuff,

1209
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,679
and who's washing I don't know, said they were coin opper.

1210
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:27,199
I don't know what was going on. It was the

1211
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:30,840
old landlord like so probably made a deal with somebody.

1212
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: Store trash from here, you know, like and.

1213
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,679
Speaker 6: Uh, we purposely didn't do too much to it because

1214
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:38,480
we wanted to make it kind of feel like illegal

1215
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:41,760
to be in almost. And I took Josh Miles back

1216
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,280
there during that party and I hit his iPhone like little,

1217
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,519
you know, flashlight, and I'm like, what do you think

1218
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:49,440
he goes it's plug and play, dude. You gotta do

1219
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,840
it because he opens.

1220
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:55,559
Speaker 2: Up restaurants and I think even the one in Bushnell's

1221
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:56,079
basin is his.

1222
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:05,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, bitter honey.

1223
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:05,119
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But I mean you have been so we

1224
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:06,559
talked about that to success.

1225
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: But is it true you were homeless at one point?

1226
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1227
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 6: I was a runaways a kid.

1228
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah why they handed me do that?

1229
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 6: The fashion show of the Center for You Services is involved,

1230
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,480
but they turned away. I ran. I used to I

1231
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:23,239
used to jump.

1232
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: I was crazy.

1233
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 6: I don't know how my parents lived through it, and

1234
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:30,719
they that's another story, but I used to they just

1235
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,880
box car trains and just end up somewhere like and

1236
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,480
just trying to get home and sleep under railroad bridges,

1237
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,760
the way bridge, yeah, highway bridges.

1238
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,679
Speaker 1: How far did you get on the box train as

1239
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:43,000
a kid, I'm not, fire man.

1240
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:46,159
Speaker 6: I jumped off of Batavia one time, and you know,

1241
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:48,800
I tried to figure out how to kind of get back,

1242
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,639
and then I think I made it almost to Syracuse once.

1243
01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: But it was just what years is Jesus, I was.

1244
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 6: Probably in the tenth grade or something like.

1245
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,199
Speaker 1: No, I'm not.

1246
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm always saying like, what decade because she's there's no

1247
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:06,559
cell phones?

1248
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, no there was. That's another point when you're

1249
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,280
on tour. You got to wait to the truck stop.

1250
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, to make a call to check in at home.

1251
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:16,679
Like my parents when I was a kid, put in

1252
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,960
an eight hundred number because we would call where I.

1253
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,079
Speaker 1: Went to school and where I lived.

1254
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 2: It's such a jerk water town and and uh they

1255
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,039
call it upstate New York.

1256
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:26,079
Speaker 3: It's down by Rhinebeck.

1257
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:27,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's beautiful area.

1258
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: It is a beautiful area, hutch A Valley. But we

1259
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,280
would have to call home from long distance. So my

1260
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,760
parents got a call Home America eight hundred number, so

1261
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,599
you could go to a payphone and he just dit

1262
01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:36,159
on eight hundred.

1263
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember those, yeah, and that was when I

1264
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,679
got into modern English. I made it in the van.

1265
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,199
That's another crazy story, but they you know, I went

1266
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:48,400
from eating a Snickers bar from the gas station, cut

1267
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,280
again in half and have that for lunch and dinner

1268
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,519
and some combos sometimes if I could do. Because I

1269
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,559
was making a record in middle of Pennsylvania when I

1270
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:57,679
got the call audition and the singer called me up.

1271
01:02:58,119 --> 01:02:59,960
They said he's gonna call the studio was the label

1272
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,440
that got me involved, and she she said, you know,

1273
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,280
Robb's gonna call Robbie Gray's gonna call you.

1274
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,719
Speaker 1: And it's the guy that's a singer.

1275
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 6: He wrote the song everything, and it was the phone

1276
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,000
rang and I'm like, okay, here we go and he goes.

1277
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:17,679
First thing he said was what do you like to wear?

1278
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,000
And I'm like, I'm not afraid to mix polka dots

1279
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,000
with plaid. I like to wear shoes that arrive in

1280
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:25,920
the room of a couple of minutes before I do

1281
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:29,280
answer yeah, And then he goes, did you come up?

1282
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:31,320
I just was like, I'm just gonna go for it.

1283
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:36,880
And then he said what kind of guitar do you playmate?

1284
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,039
You know, I'm like, uh, what kind of guitar do

1285
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:41,960
you want me to play? You know, you're the boss,

1286
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:45,519
and then he goes he just hung up after like

1287
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:49,800
literally like four or five minutes nothing, and I hung

1288
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,119
up in the label called the girl from the label

1289
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,119
called me and said he wants you in New York

1290
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:57,480
City tomorrow. Can you make it? And I'm like, yeah, absolutely,

1291
01:03:57,519 --> 01:03:59,400
I'll be there. And I had no car, I had

1292
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,400
no money, and I borrowed someone's car, borrowed someone's telly

1293
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,679
and went and did it wow. And then uh Yo

1294
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,199
Kono was in the kitchen with her son David Bowie

1295
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,360
was rehearsing down the hallway, and I was like, this

1296
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,599
is the shot, this is what you know. This is

1297
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:19,880
what they say is don't pressure well, especially because you

1298
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,719
got to learn all the songs and drive to New

1299
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,840
York from middle of Pennsylvania figure all that out.

1300
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: No sleep.

1301
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 6: Fingers are like ride the fingers from just trying to

1302
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,440
get the songs down for over and over. And I

1303
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,360
played three songs and they go like, we'll be right back,

1304
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,039
and they got out the room. They came back in

1305
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:41,159
they go, so what do you what are you doing

1306
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:43,000
for the next three months or so? And I'm like

1307
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,519
hopefully hanging with you guys, and it's like they're like

1308
01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:48,440
you're in mate, you know, like all right, well, now

1309
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,679
what a we do like And we went right down

1310
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:53,119
to the bar and drank Boddington's for the first time.

1311
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:54,119
Speaker 1: Over Boddington's.

1312
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 6: They drank the bar out of Boddingtons. And I remember going,

1313
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,760
I don't what do I do about the car? What

1314
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,599
do I do about the guitar? And from right then

1315
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,000
everything was taken care of, like give him the keys,

1316
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:11,039
where is it parked? Don't worry about the guitar. And

1317
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:13,719
I went home and gave a check book to my

1318
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,639
dad and went back for rehearsals, and like maybe ten

1319
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:22,039
days later, it was like national television and you know,

1320
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,800
it was ship. Yeah, it was crazy, Like Gibson got.

1321
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 2: That's the closest thing to and I don't because I

1322
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,239
don't believe it, but that's like the closest thing to

1323
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:32,000
overnight success.

1324
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 3: But it's not.

1325
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:35,639
Speaker 2: You were grinded making a record. How did they find

1326
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:36,320
out about you?

1327
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 6: The girl from the label knew me, you know, and

1328
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,119
of me, and I kept just looking for like when

1329
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:48,000
David Lee Roth needed a guitar player, I didn't get

1330
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:50,360
the I got closer to a lot of things. No

1331
01:05:51,519 --> 01:05:56,360
that was done, but I'd always co like, oh deph leppards,

1332
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,599
you know or whatever, and she would always look out

1333
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:00,800
for opportunities.

1334
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,559
Speaker 1: But I was playing.

1335
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 6: I played with Lou Graham when he did the Midnight

1336
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,639
Blue thing, and I thought I had the gig. He's like, yeah,

1337
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:14,159
you're in, and then his his bass player had uh

1338
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,880
had a guitar player. He promised the gig too out

1339
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,519
in California, I guess, and Lou was like I didn't

1340
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:23,719
know this happened, and I'm like really, and I couldn't

1341
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:26,119
really use that gig right then? Can you imagine like

1342
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,960
playing I know my friends and ex bandmate some of

1343
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:32,119
them and played for Lou Graham, but it's like.

1344
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 3: This was Lou when Lou was doing solo stuff.

1345
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah right, right, so that album.

1346
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,719
Speaker 6: I remember learning that song and sitting across from playing

1347
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,760
on somewhere near down downtown where he's got all his

1348
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,039
car he's got the big.

1349
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah he does. He doesn't tell anybody

1350
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:52,440
where that is. So I kind of got to know

1351
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:55,119
Lou a little bit. But later on, right much later on,

1352
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:57,840
and I used to say to him, I saw him

1353
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,719
in a car show and I'm like, Lou, I want

1354
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:01,639
to see these cars because it's all muscle cars.

1355
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 3: And then he tells me a story.

1356
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:06,599
Speaker 2: Now he's divorced again, but he was married at the time,

1357
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,639
so he was gonna play party in the park and

1358
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:09,239
I walked up.

1359
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 3: I was standing there because I was going toroduce the bands,

1360
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:12,960
and his wife gets out Robin and.

1361
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,079
Speaker 2: She's like, Hi, thanks for having Lou on the radio

1362
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:18,000
show today, a great interview, and I said, yeah, I go, man,

1363
01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:20,320
that is so cool about the car that he had

1364
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,000
trailered from California.

1365
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 3: And she looks at me and the guy standing behind

1366
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:24,440
me going.

1367
01:07:25,639 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 6: Like, Michael, you're fucking Lou Graham.

1368
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,519
Speaker 1: Yeah she does.

1369
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,719
Speaker 6: He say, yeah, it's your money. You earned it where

1370
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:37,360
you go sometimes. But yeah, he he It was unbelievable

1371
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,280
listening to the Timber and.

1372
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:43,199
Speaker 2: His voice was just like then.

1373
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,679
Speaker 6: Like it sounded so amazing and just like the record

1374
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:48,800
with nothing just across the like sending across from movie.

1375
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: That's really cool to hear someone has seasoned as you

1376
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,239
say that about Lou, because I always thought he was

1377
01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:56,840
one of the best voices in rock.

1378
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:03,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got how many hits I don't even know,

1379
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:06,199
Like he's play concert.

1380
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,119
Speaker 2: Right with Foreigner and stuff, and then he always had

1381
01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:11,360
kind of a bitter ending there with mc. I was

1382
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,159
gonna say, Mick Taylor mc jones, right, Jones, Yeah, Nick

1383
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:16,880
Taylor was the the young guy in the Stones who

1384
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:18,880
probably guitarists like you that they picked.

1385
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 3: Up along the way and then they just ruined that kid.

1386
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: Remember him coming on the Old We Show and then

1387
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,800
you were trying to get him an eight ball and

1388
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,840
he was a mess an eight pall well not him though,

1389
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,760
whoever whatever venue he was playing, like, yeah, we gotta

1390
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:32,119
find this.

1391
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: He was a mess. This poor guy. He looked awful.

1392
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,079
Speaker 2: But you now have two kids. You've also done marketing

1393
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:41,119
for Richard Branson, and you're in the Guinness Book.

1394
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,159
Speaker 6: Of World Records. Yeah, and that sounds like a fish

1395
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:43,960
story kind.

1396
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,359
Speaker 1: Of No, it doesn't. It sounds fucking amazing. I'm sound like,

1397
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:47,920
do you ever pause.

1398
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,399
Speaker 3: In your life and go, what a ride?

1399
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: Man?

1400
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,079
Speaker 6: Not a ride? Oh that's encouraging.

1401
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:57,319
Speaker 2: I'm just listening to you now, the Lou Graham, the

1402
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:01,319
south By Southwest zz topsys were you know, Hey, he's cool.

1403
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,199
George Thoroughgood finally comes out George Rucker probably doesn't talk

1404
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:04,960
to anybody.

1405
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:10,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot, but yeah, that whole there's

1406
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:12,840
there's a lot. The Guinness Book of World Records thing was,

1407
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,119
you know, I was arming from the House of Guitars.

1408
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:18,520
He were on his label and there was a show

1409
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,199
called just for the Record out of Australia that they

1410
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:24,960
wanted us to break the Who's decibel level at the Yeah,

1411
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,279
and it was one hundred and twenty three decibels I think.

1412
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,319
And we got the Guinness Book of World Records plaque

1413
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:32,159
at the House of Guitars with our you know when

1414
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:36,560
immaculate Mary. Yeah, the hair, the hair hair farmer days. Yeah,

1415
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,399
but that's all I wanted to do was play guitar

1416
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,399
when I played hockey. And then I found the guitar

1417
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:46,039
and that was it. Yeah, everything nothing else really mattered.

1418
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:47,199
Speaker 3: Where did you go to school?

1419
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: High school?

1420
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 6: I went. I went to Carney for a couple of

1421
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,960
years and got kicked out. On my permanent record, it

1422
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,079
says I was a bad influence on the Karney family.

1423
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,560
And then there's a long story and it's I don't

1424
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,880
know if I want to go into that, but the

1425
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,239
guy that kicked me out, the brother kicked me out,

1426
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:07,600
got her busted for soliciting a minor because he used

1427
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,319
to ask me weird questions. I'd be like, none of

1428
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:12,479
your business, and my dad was so mad at me.

1429
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,880
Then that happened years later, and my dad was like,

1430
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,880
I'm sorry. I thought, you know, because I was a punk.

1431
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,159
Why would you believe me I was?

1432
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't your old man came and apologize to you.

1433
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 6: Well, he told me that it was years later though, no.

1434
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 2: No, I understand, But like, I've had a similar thing.

1435
01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:34,600
I've talked very openly, not to change things here, but

1436
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,319
where I was molested by a babysitter. Oh you're a

1437
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:41,520
kidding as a kid seven years old, and it went on, yeah,

1438
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,359
and so it could fuck you up, you know, I

1439
01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:46,439
really can. I'm old now, I've worked through stuff, but

1440
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,560
I've had conversations.

1441
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: My mother confronted the dude. Oh my god. Years later

1442
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,880
I didn't know that that's crazy.

1443
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was something about that that made you

1444
01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,279
sort of feel validated. I don't care how old you're

1445
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:01,239
the same thing with your old man going, hey man,

1446
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:02,039
I'm sorry.

1447
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 6: They would lock me in a room with a bible

1448
01:11:04,079 --> 01:11:06,760
all day. Get out. He'd beat. He'd hit me with

1449
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,920
this bicycle rubber thing on my hands. And it wasn't

1450
01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:13,239
It was crazy and it was a different world back then,

1451
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:19,359
and but it was just I never got like, I

1452
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,079
never went to no one who ever went as far

1453
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:21,920
as they did with you.

1454
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: No, no, I understand that.

1455
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,359
Speaker 2: But it was just what is that fortitude inside you

1456
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,800
that you're a lot of kids would fold after that, right,

1457
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,640
because you're going to get the pressure at school and

1458
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,760
then you go home and you're your old man's pissed,

1459
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,680
right because all this stuff and Carnee, But what made

1460
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,479
you never kind of waiver on this this thing? I

1461
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:46,079
mean you had like this is it a free spirit?

1462
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:47,560
That is that what you call it? You were jumping

1463
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,920
on trains, crazy.

1464
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: Passes. It's there's something freeing about it.

1465
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess, but I didn't. Yeah, I just didn't.

1466
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,720
It wasn't right, and I knew it and there was

1467
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,479
something off. But it's an adventure many it was. It

1468
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,640
was okay, you know. But and then I went to Schrader. Okay,

1469
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,399
I remember, I think I got a fight with the

1470
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:09,600
toughest guy in school, Dom Trinshini. He plays with he's

1471
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,079
a musician, and we ended up in a band together afterwards.

1472
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:13,760
Back then you get in a fight and then your

1473
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,239
best friends after especially guys.

1474
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:17,039
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, we were I remember the same thing.

1475
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a smoking lounge back then.

1476
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was. You didn't smoke outside.

1477
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 6: Thing ever, did I did a lot of dumb things

1478
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:27,840
that was. That was a big one of them, smoking cigarettes.

1479
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:32,319
Speaker 2: But so okay, so now you have the Tommy Burnett

1480
01:12:32,359 --> 01:12:33,920
band at that point, that's opening up.

1481
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:35,239
Speaker 1: It's two thousand and eight.

1482
01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 2: You had done marketing, you were in New York City,

1483
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,800
and then the bubble kind of comes from.

1484
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,359
Speaker 6: Yeah that's when. Yeah, yeah, I was. We had an

1485
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:48,159
office on between Prince and Prince in Houston on Broadway.

1486
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:51,319
We were cranking. I was working, like literally, I'm a

1487
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:53,159
blue collar kid. My dad was a plumber and my

1488
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,560
mother was a nurse, living in Webstern, New York. And

1489
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,560
all of a sudden, I got a place in Manhattan.

1490
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,319
I've got like, you know, a view all way to

1491
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:02,119
Central Park from down and try back.

1492
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:04,239
Speaker 1: I was cranking.

1493
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,359
Speaker 3: What were you doing?

1494
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,039
Speaker 6: I was doing Mark I streaking radio show called Universal

1495
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:12,439
Buzz Radio, and we built that into three point two

1496
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,960
million listeners, with three point six million listeners because of

1497
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,720
the Internet in a college radio. In his upcoming bands,

1498
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,600
like we recorded kid Rock at water Stream. We recorded

1499
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,039
the White Stripes at the bug Jar. When I looked

1500
01:13:24,079 --> 01:13:26,800
above the bug jar and he stayed out. He stayed

1501
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,720
above the bug jar with his his wife. That everybody

1502
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,920
thought I was a sister bag.

1503
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: But oh that's right, everybody did think that.

1504
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know that he's amazing.

1505
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,039
Speaker 3: I saw Jack White on on Crossroads.

1506
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like he's I think he's one

1507
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,920
of a fantastic guitarist.

1508
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:49,199
Speaker 6: I wanted to stop cars on Monder Revenue and go

1509
01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:51,479
get in here. This guy sounded singing like Robert Plant

1510
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:56,079
and playing like Jimmy Page. This guy, and then we

1511
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,880
we hung out. He's like a he's an Encyclopa Pedium Blue.

1512
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,800
We hung on at south By south West. I think

1513
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,800
I stole a bottle off the bar at an after

1514
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,600
party and we sat by the porter parties like drinking

1515
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,560
that bottle and just talking about music.

1516
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you ever still talk to these guys?

1517
01:14:11,279 --> 01:14:15,119
Speaker 6: Nah, It'd be like when I run into somebody and

1518
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:17,920
I go, hey man, this is you know. I don't

1519
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:18,760
know if you remember this.

1520
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,079
Speaker 1: You're hard to not remember yeah, I don't know.

1521
01:14:22,279 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 6: Since some people just like I don't know how what happened, Like,

1522
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:28,319
you know, I was hanging out in Nashville.

1523
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: Guy goes.

1524
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,239
Speaker 6: The guy owns Tutsies and like a lot of other

1525
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:34,800
legendary bars there. He's like, they wanted me to go

1526
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:40,039
to his girlfriend's mother's grandmother's birthday party to meet him

1527
01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:41,920
because he blew me off that day at a meeting

1528
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,880
and I ended up singing happy birthday to his like

1529
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,640
his girlfriend's grandmother. And he's like, let's go to my Tutsies.

1530
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,640
I go, I can't go to I got a meeting

1531
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:50,079
in the morning.

1532
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: And he go. They go.

1533
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 6: If he says go to tutsis wants to meet he

1534
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,560
wants him to meet your his friend, you go, And

1535
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,680
I'm like, all right, I guess we're going. And Gull

1536
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,319
jumped in the big car and went to tuts He's

1537
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,439
if you know, he's like three floors of music. And

1538
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,720
we went upstairs in that big room and there's.

1539
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,560
Speaker 1: The VIP section.

1540
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 6: There's the VIP sections behind the stage, so you're above

1541
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,479
the stage behind it. Wow, and his friend's kid rock

1542
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:15,920
No Ship. That's when we wanted me to go and

1543
01:15:16,039 --> 01:15:18,840
talk hang out and but.

1544
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:21,159
Speaker 3: Did you did you remind Kid Rock that you had

1545
01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:22,239
recorded him at Water Street?

1546
01:15:22,359 --> 01:15:25,359
Speaker 6: I never really, I kind of I told him, I go,

1547
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,560
you know the Devil was out there cause release in

1548
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,920
Asia where you had the live track from Universal Buzzed Radio.

1549
01:15:34,079 --> 01:15:37,039
He goes, yeah, I remember that. I'm like, that was

1550
01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:38,159
that was my radio show.

1551
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:41,199
Speaker 3: Wait a second, you you ended up on an import.

1552
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were in corner of them, and no one

1553
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,520
has had live tracks back then the plant the Plantum

1554
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,039
albums and Hanging in Iron Smoke that I got from

1555
01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:50,920
that release.

1556
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:53,039
Speaker 1: Wow, sod you made money off that?

1557
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:54,359
Speaker 6: No?

1558
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:56,159
Speaker 3: No, no, there's no man like we.

1559
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 6: Got lad and and and they we in an agreement.

1560
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,399
I think we made money, but it was like we

1561
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,439
didn't make I think it was a couple of grand

1562
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,880
or something, not like we got paid like, oh it royalty.

1563
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:10,039
Speaker 1: You know what do they call it?

1564
01:16:10,119 --> 01:16:10,520
Speaker 3: Mailbox?

1565
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 6: So they never do that with our Back then, we

1566
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,880
were just like you know, a bunch of outlaw kids

1567
01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:18,319
trying to get Willie Nelson to Linus record him and stuff,

1568
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:23,479
you know, and then that crew and then kid Uh

1569
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,760
the White Stripes got signed the V two, which is

1570
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:30,920
Richard Brandtson's baby label, and they wanted us to market

1571
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,640
them because we were on college campuses with the radio show,

1572
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:39,000
and it would it just catapulted, like I got also infused.

1573
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:41,560
TV hired us for their long launch. I came up

1574
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:46,560
with a concept for a campaign for the subways in

1575
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,239
New York, and I just started adding zeros to my

1576
01:16:50,039 --> 01:16:54,439
you know, my quotes. And then then MTV hired us away.

1577
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 1: MTV two Moment.

1578
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 6: Had a dog thing, yeah, because of what we did

1579
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,560
at south By Southwest. We took over south By Southwest

1580
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,359
Refuse and then MTV and then it was just like

1581
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:06,840
Disney hired us.

1582
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: I was on like, okay, so people go to school

1583
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,239
to learn how to do this shit.

1584
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:15,079
Speaker 2: You realize that people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars

1585
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:16,239
to get a marketing degree.

1586
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: Dude, you just did it.

1587
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much just kind of just fucking all just instinctual. Yeah,

1588
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,800
just I was good at I didn't know how to

1589
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,439
spell entrepreneur, by the way, and that was like would

1590
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,199
you call me? You know, but it was it was

1591
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,319
more about just like I don't I had a knack

1592
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,520
for like ideas, yeah, and they then I put a

1593
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,960
team together to do the big ideas, like when I

1594
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,840
flew out to Disney. I'm like, wow, I'm mine a lot,

1595
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,720
you know, like this is wild, and they're like, okay,

1596
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,439
we're sitting down in the room, like we got a

1597
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,359
new movie. It's it's a it's a it's Johnny Depp

1598
01:17:49,399 --> 01:17:52,119
playing a pirate and it's going to be called Pirates

1599
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:54,439
of the Caribbean. And we need to know what to

1600
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,960
do to like we really want to take over Hollywood

1601
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,800
and get people engaged.

1602
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 3: So came up with he hires you.

1603
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,359
Speaker 6: No to come up with ideas for a release of

1604
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,800
movie releases. We were doing stuff for like ESPN, like

1605
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,319
setting up boxing rings in the middle of Times Square.

1606
01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:19,479
What was the other one the house? What was it?

1607
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,680
Hg TV? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they had something. I don't

1608
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,560
know we did we did something, and.

1609
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 2: It's just kind of all so okay, because this is

1610
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,880
fascinating to me. And it's fascinating because every single thing

1611
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:33,920
that we have in this.

1612
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 3: World today started as an idea.

1613
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:40,119
Speaker 2: Right, So now it makes sense to me because I've

1614
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:43,680
heard the story of two thousand and eight. I'm living

1615
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,960
back up here, got kids in diapers, I'm smoking ribs

1616
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:51,399
and drinking whiskey. Yeah, people have ideas all the time. Man,

1617
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,079
they don't follow it through. Do you see what I'm saying?

1618
01:18:54,279 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 6: I know, but I talk about that when I speak

1619
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,920
at schools or whatever colleges, and I just speaking engagements

1620
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:01,479
you once in a.

1621
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,239
Speaker 1: While, Yeah, okay, And I.

1622
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:06,359
Speaker 6: Even with younger kids, I go, don't don't give up

1623
01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:08,760
because you're you know it's you're gonna get knocked down.

1624
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,479
You just got to keep going and pick pick yourself

1625
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,560
up and have faith that you'll you know, the this

1626
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,600
is life, this space, spice of life. Everybody goes through it.

1627
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,760
It's not good times all the time. It's that's why

1628
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,359
it's an amazing experience being alive.

1629
01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: What's why I say it's like a ride for you,

1630
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,439
Like when I start a homeless and then I find

1631
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,800
out you're jumping on box. You're I I think it's

1632
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,760
different for you. I think you look at everything as

1633
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:31,359
an adventure.

1634
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 6: I do. I call it when we go out with Jen,

1635
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,119
my wife, or the kids, we call it an expedition.

1636
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:40,680
When we're going away. Yeah, I mean vation, it's an expedition.

1637
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, because and with you, I bet it is because

1638
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:48,560
you'll find the coolest most you know, everybody. You're not

1639
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,520
a tourist trap kind of guy. No, no, you'll find

1640
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,680
the authenticity wherever you are. I dig that, I really

1641
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,319
really dig that.

1642
01:19:56,359 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: And I tell the.

1643
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,279
Speaker 6: Kids the show, you know, Okay, we're landing in Atlanta.

1644
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:02,119
We gotta find out our you know, our connection and

1645
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:03,680
make them do it. We take them back to New

1646
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,479
York City because they were born there, and we had

1647
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,920
like what trainmen to take and what you know, even

1648
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,560
if we're gonna end up in the wrong stop, I

1649
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,000
just let it.

1650
01:20:11,079 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: We let them go.

1651
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,319
Speaker 6: It's it's really incredible. But that two thousand and eight thing,

1652
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:19,079
I to tie that together in your head, because there's

1653
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:21,279
a lot of weird stuff we're talking about. Two thousand

1654
01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:23,199
and eight the bottom fell out in New York City.

1655
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:26,399
I was rocking, like I didn't worry about anything money,

1656
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,920
like everything we were printing money with. The marketing company

1657
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,560
had a great staff. And then two thousand and eight,

1658
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,319
the bottom fellow of the economy and no one was

1659
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:38,199
paying us. I let everybody go. I sat down and

1660
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:41,920
told ten people, I'm like, this has been a great ride. Yeah,

1661
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,439
I got two days. I can pay it for two days,

1662
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,920
and you're gonna go out and look for jobs right now.

1663
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,920
It's all like because it happened so fast, I didn't

1664
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,239
have anything else and I just I owed money to

1665
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:56,600
American Express. Was calm me when when Jagger's being born

1666
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:58,399
would let me hang up. I'm like, I'm getting my

1667
01:20:59,239 --> 01:21:01,399
son from the high he's just born, and they're go,

1668
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:02,960
if you don't make a payment right now, this is

1669
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,000
gonna happen. So that's what was going on in my

1670
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,960
world from having all this great stuff to but I

1671
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,920
had my health, and I had chen and I had

1672
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:15,760
my kids. You know, that's everything pretty. You know that's good. Yeah,

1673
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,479
you can do anything you want if you got your

1674
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,119
health and you got people love you and care about you.

1675
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:22,239
But that's when I was in the backyard kids and diaper,

1676
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:26,880
smoking ribs, drinking whiskey, and I'm like, Jen, has anybody

1677
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,760
done a smoke bourbon like barbecue? And there was only

1678
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,319
a couple of companies, Course Air and Balconi's, and it

1679
01:21:33,399 --> 01:21:35,279
was really over smoked. So we came up with the

1680
01:21:35,399 --> 01:21:37,920
recipe that was that was not so small.

1681
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:38,359
Speaker 1: Wow.

1682
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying, is you realize, like as

1683
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,319
I said, with the marketing thing, people went to school

1684
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,000
nice the U of R. They do that and they

1685
01:21:48,119 --> 01:21:50,800
sit in courses and they have that and the same

1686
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,079
thing probably with who thinks this is what I'm saying

1687
01:21:54,079 --> 01:21:56,479
to you, So to come up with the idea, then

1688
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:57,720
I'm gonna say this.

1689
01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: Ninety nine point nine percent of the people go no,

1690
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,760
I can't fucking do that, or am I going to

1691
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:02,960
do that?

1692
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,399
Speaker 6: But you know when you got to think when that happens, Yeah,

1693
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,720
dumber guys in us, Well I've done that.

1694
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: That's a good point. So that's a very good point.

1695
01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 6: And the guys that are like, you know, it's just

1696
01:22:13,159 --> 01:22:17,359
doing it and found to follow through with you is amazing, dude, Well,

1697
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,159
it's having the right people around me too.

1698
01:22:19,239 --> 01:22:23,319
Speaker 2: Well, I would agree that, you know, the the idea

1699
01:22:23,319 --> 01:22:27,319
of a self made man not entirely true because everybody needs,

1700
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:31,000
you know, people around them to believe in it. But

1701
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:32,640
that's the thing is you got to find the people

1702
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:33,840
that believe.

1703
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,239
Speaker 6: Believe in that they're smarter and better at something then

1704
01:22:36,279 --> 01:22:36,600
you're not.

1705
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:38,279
Speaker 3: And you've got to be willing to put that.

1706
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1707
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so where do you Okay, so you come

1708
01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:43,760
up with the idea, you start looking for recipes.

1709
01:22:44,119 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you doing this in your kitchen?

1710
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 6: Well, we did it in friends kitchens and people help

1711
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:55,039
start the businesses kitchens and backyards. And I liked Pappy. Yeah, yeah,

1712
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:56,680
back when you can buy it for thirty five forty

1713
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,479
bucks a bottle on the shelf, what is it now?

1714
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:01,560
It's around there, but as soon as you take it

1715
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:03,239
out of the store, it's a thousand or twelve hundred

1716
01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:08,800
or fifteen hundred or yeah. But yeah, that's the recipe

1717
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,960
was based on a weeded bourbon. And that's where I

1718
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,640
met true. Our master distiller is brilliant and he was

1719
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,800
young and he was working on still on the finger Lakes.

1720
01:23:18,119 --> 01:23:20,439
I went to finger Lakes is stilling and talked to

1721
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,159
Brian McKenzie about what we're doing and showed them the

1722
01:23:23,239 --> 01:23:25,960
designs for everything, and he goes, I don't have the capacity.

1723
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 1: I gotta make my own.

1724
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:31,520
Speaker 6: There's a guy up the up the lake called Montezuma Winery,

1725
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,000
and I went to them and Bill Martin and said,

1726
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,439
I need a still. You know, so you know a

1727
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,880
chicken smoker. I was smoking a grain, trying to figure

1728
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:40,439
that out.

1729
01:23:40,399 --> 01:23:41,399
Speaker 1: On a chicken smoker.

1730
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was trying to I started with corn and.

1731
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,359
Speaker 1: You literally you did it well.

1732
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, with with people around me that could help me,

1733
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,079
but I just like I knew, I knew what I

1734
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:55,560
liked and like the Bernheim like kind of thing. And

1735
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,760
then it's adjusting the recipe and one triple char on

1736
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,159
the barrels and I didn't even know that bourbon turned

1737
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:03,760
brown because of the char and the barrel.

1738
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:08,399
Speaker 2: All spirits, yeah, I thought all spirits were clear until

1739
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,039
they were like sitting in So you know more than

1740
01:24:11,079 --> 01:24:15,000
I know. Yeah, but I only know that because I'm

1741
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,680
an alcoholic and I really like boo. I love brown.

1742
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,079
I do love the brown stuff. My old man loved

1743
01:24:21,079 --> 01:24:22,199
the brown stuff Irish.

1744
01:24:22,279 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 6: That's what happened. Well, my Grandpa Joe and my dad Joe.

1745
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 3: Grandpa Joe too.

1746
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, Grandpa Joe, he's first, first and last on the

1747
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,960
old dance floor. You know, I always had a Jenny

1748
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,800
red eye and a cigarette cigarette. I remember fishing, and

1749
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,000
you know, yeah, he's Italian. I'm like mostly Polish, but

1750
01:24:40,039 --> 01:24:43,319
I get my Italian from Uncle Joe, Grandpa Joe. Yeah, Dad,

1751
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:44,479
big Joe.

1752
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: That's that's incredible.

1753
01:24:46,359 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 2: The so you went and smoked all this stuff yourself

1754
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,000
and then it just kind of but then other people

1755
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,760
are seeing this and just buying in.

1756
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1757
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 6: It was like my business partner, Steve I mentioned Brown,

1758
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,279
He's he said, there's not a lot of competition. I'll

1759
01:25:00,319 --> 01:25:03,000
I'll pay for the first, you know, round and everything.

1760
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:06,600
But now it's like we're we're attached at the hip,

1761
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,319
thick as thieves, you know, like and he's he's a

1762
01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:13,720
really smart wealth guy, like money guy and just in general,

1763
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:18,960
really really savvy. And he that that happened. And then

1764
01:25:19,239 --> 01:25:22,479
when we finally came out with our recipe after trials,

1765
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,880
we had like three hundred cases and I asked my

1766
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:28,640
distributor at the time, what if we sell out? I

1767
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,800
got the van with Scully on it. I'm in front

1768
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,079
of five thousand people in front of easy Top without

1769
01:25:33,079 --> 01:25:35,640
a drop and a bottle, going, oh, iron smoke tonight,

1770
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,159
You're gonna be healed by the powers of rock and

1771
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,439
rolling whiskey. Can I get a name man, brothers and sisters,

1772
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,640
you know, iron smoke, you know. And we came out

1773
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,680
and he said it'd take a year before he sold out,

1774
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,039
And we sold out in a week and a half.

1775
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

1776
01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:50,199
Speaker 6: Yeah wow. And I was counting on the guy down

1777
01:25:50,199 --> 01:25:53,079
in the lake, Bill Martin, to make our stuff. We

1778
01:25:53,079 --> 01:25:56,880
were counting on them and that's when we found Fairport

1779
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,000
because we had to make our own and we're a

1780
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,720
New York State farm to still. But anyway, that's it was.

1781
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,199
Speaker 3: So when you think about it, zz Top now has

1782
01:26:05,239 --> 01:26:05,920
their own whiskey.

1783
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:06,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1784
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't make it. They didn't do that. No,

1785
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:12,279
they didn't go find a chicken. What did you have?

1786
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,199
Speaker 6: A chicken smoker that he partnered with? Something I wish

1787
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:17,119
he would have partnered.

1788
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 3: With us, did you try?

1789
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,039
Speaker 6: I put it past him and then we were supposed

1790
01:26:22,039 --> 01:26:23,840
to talk about it, and then that other thing came out.

1791
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,479
But he's he's an interesting guy. When you're in front

1792
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,279
of him, you can talk for hours. But you know,

1793
01:26:28,319 --> 01:26:30,199
getting a hold of him after that fact, he's a

1794
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:32,840
little different. But he's like, he's a great guy. You

1795
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,359
a talented guy. And he gave me a bottle of

1796
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:39,439
his tequila. So I was I think my next moment

1797
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,760
to reach out to him to see if he'll do

1798
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:45,800
our bourbon's Asian and his tequila asient our bourbon barrels.

1799
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:47,079
Speaker 3: Ah, that'd be pretty good.

1800
01:26:47,119 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 6: It's a good idea, right, that's a great idea, and

1801
01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:50,640
he's a good guy. I just don't know if he'll

1802
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,560
do it. Because of the bourbon thing now he's doing

1803
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:53,520
I hear it.

1804
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's got somebody that he does that with already.

1805
01:26:56,399 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got a I think it's coarse air or

1806
01:26:58,560 --> 01:26:59,840
about coons, I forget which one.

1807
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:04,239
Speaker 2: How satisfying was it for you to have Fortune Magazine

1808
01:27:05,119 --> 01:27:07,479
call you one of the best bourbons outside of Kentucky?

1809
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 3: Can I read what they wrote?

1810
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:09,199
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1811
01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:12,239
Speaker 3: The Iron Smoke Distillery smokes its grains over apple wood

1812
01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:15,640
before using them in distillation. The process results in a

1813
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,920
bourbon that doesn't have a sweet, syrupy notes expected from

1814
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:23,079
the category. Instead on the palette abundant spice and smoke

1815
01:27:23,159 --> 01:27:27,199
joined in bringing to mine chargrilled peppered meat covered in

1816
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:29,840
maple syrup. I must try for those who are delving

1817
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,319
into bourbon but have a hard time with the sweetness

1818
01:27:32,319 --> 01:27:33,520
found in most expressions.

1819
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,279
Speaker 6: It's crazy what that had to be like?

1820
01:27:38,039 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1821
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,039
Speaker 2: Is that the kind of the crown jewel for you

1822
01:27:40,119 --> 01:27:43,119
to go, hey, we really were not that you did it?

1823
01:27:43,159 --> 01:27:45,319
Didn't have markers along the way to show this is

1824
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:47,039
going well, but what an honor?

1825
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, super high ratings we got from Bill Murray's Whiskey

1826
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,279
Bible out of the UK, but ninety five point five

1827
01:27:53,279 --> 01:27:57,680
put us ahead of Buffalo Trayce Blanton's, Basil Hayden, Pappy

1828
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,319
Rye and I'm not saying this other guy said rated

1829
01:28:00,359 --> 01:28:03,119
us higher. But that was a game changer for the

1830
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:06,520
real kind of sores of bourbons globally. And then this

1831
01:28:07,279 --> 01:28:11,520
the thing with with you know, the ten best bourbons

1832
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:15,159
beyond Kentucky from Forest Magazine. This isn't stuff we're paying for.

1833
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,119
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I said Fortune, Yeah, Forest Magazine, but this

1834
01:28:19,159 --> 01:28:22,319
isn't stuff that we paid Like some people.

1835
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,520
Speaker 6: Do an ad and they go, but we need you

1836
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,119
to do this. It was a surprise. I was on

1837
01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:30,600
my couch watching some Netflix binge or something and my

1838
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,239
phone started going off. And when my business partners around, Kirshner,

1839
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,119
I think he was on the first he goes, is

1840
01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:39,399
this real? And I'm like, yeah, it's really. They did

1841
01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:43,199
it call us, you know, so it was legit and

1842
01:28:43,239 --> 01:28:47,159
it was it was Those things are game changers because

1843
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:50,880
you can you think your baby's beautiful, but until like

1844
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:51,960
somebody else goes.

1845
01:28:52,399 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good fun.

1846
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:56,399
Speaker 1: That's funny.

1847
01:28:56,399 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 2: Because then on the other side, you've become like a

1848
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,520
big supporter of local music another love of yours. Yep,

1849
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,239
it's like you've taken two things that just kind of

1850
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:06,239
go well together, right that the bourbon making. It's almost

1851
01:29:06,319 --> 01:29:10,000
a like you're you know, you're creating and orchestrating, and

1852
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:10,640
then he got that.

1853
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:12,199
Speaker 1: Do you ever miss though?

1854
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:14,119
Speaker 6: I mean, I know you got.

1855
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,199
Speaker 2: A lovely, supportive wife, a great business going, but do

1856
01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:19,520
you ever miss the thirty thousand people screaming?

1857
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: You know when you're playing, you do a little bit.

1858
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 6: It's Yeah, the more they try and throw me off

1859
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,279
the boat, the more you hang on to the side.

1860
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:28,760
And somebody else says like you never do you ever

1861
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,800
think about giving up I'm like, do you ever think

1862
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:32,279
about giving up sex? No?

1863
01:29:32,399 --> 01:29:33,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'm not.

1864
01:29:33,279 --> 01:29:36,239
Speaker 6: I'm not. I'll still play, but I don't have to tour.

1865
01:29:36,399 --> 01:29:38,520
I don't have to do that, right, and it'd be

1866
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,039
I'd love I love it's it's it sounds fun, Yeah,

1867
01:29:42,079 --> 01:29:43,720
like like Alvio Fernandez.

1868
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got to you gotta be always his family.

1869
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 6: When you got a family and everything and you gotta

1870
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,920
do that, That's that's a different story, right. You know,

1871
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,720
I can pick and choose, like I'll do. I did

1872
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,800
a couple like a Harley Davidson event in Orlando, you know,

1873
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,880
over the winter or whatever, and fly in, fly out

1874
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:03,920
in two or three dates here and there, and that's

1875
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:04,359
about it.

1876
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 3: How do people find you to book those things? They

1877
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:07,840
just through the website.

1878
01:30:08,119 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's a combination of just like maybe they

1879
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:14,760
like the song, I like beer, you know, or whatever,

1880
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:17,880
or or they're a fan of Modern English or they're

1881
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,840
a fan of iron Smoke and they want me to

1882
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,479
be there. And it's always it's everything's intertwined. Now my

1883
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:24,800
whole story and when.

1884
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,199
Speaker 2: It's your lifestyle, and that's what I dig about it.

1885
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,199
It's like you walk into your place and it's just

1886
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:32,960
got a cool vibe. The people that you hired are

1887
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,720
all cool people. You never you never see you never

1888
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:37,479
see an asshole.

1889
01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 6: We have a zero asshole policy on both sides of

1890
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:48,119
the bar, the customers, and that just comes with a territory.

1891
01:30:48,359 --> 01:30:50,960
He was the first guy to walk in when we

1892
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,560
were doing our our we're going to open up our

1893
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:57,600
tasting room, and he goes, this is amazing, this is

1894
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,079
going to be great for Fairport.

1895
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:00,520
Speaker 1: He was all all about it.

1896
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's always he was the only he was the

1897
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,960
first one and probably only one in the beginning that

1898
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:09,079
saw what it could be when he saw our you know,

1899
01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:11,079
I'm like, we're gonna do our own burlesque show, is

1900
01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:13,720
gonna produce, We're gonna with our friends, We're gonna do concerts,

1901
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,600
We're gonna do endless community events for fundraisers, whatever we

1902
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,399
need to do to and it's going to be part

1903
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,439
of the brand. So it's not just a bar. It's

1904
01:31:22,039 --> 01:31:25,840
an extension of like goodwill and fun times. It is,

1905
01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:28,560
you know, hopefully people will feel safe when they're there.

1906
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, the music is always sad that the acoustics in

1907
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:33,319
there are great. The way you've done it all, it's

1908
01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:35,680
kept that rustic kind of look, which I love.

1909
01:31:36,119 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think that was the only time I got mad.

1910
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,399
Was like someone was painting over some stuff and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

1911
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,199
We talked about this and I'm lucky enough to and

1912
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,159
you know, fortunate enough to have people that believe in

1913
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,479
the vision and help me with that vision and got it,

1914
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,479
you know, because some people are like, well we got

1915
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,840
to sand blast everything and make it clean. I'm like, no, no,

1916
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,359
you bomb out, you know.

1917
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it fits, it fits everything. It fits

1918
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,479
the label of the of the bottles.

1919
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,239
Speaker 1: It fits it all. That's it. That's incredible. Man, you've

1920
01:32:07,239 --> 01:32:09,439
got it. What a ride, Tobby, What don't you flip

1921
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,279
and ride? You just got to write a book.

1922
01:32:11,119 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 2: Or something, you know what. Someone needs to do a

1923
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,279
documentary about you. Oh geez, that would be fascinating.

1924
01:32:17,399 --> 01:32:20,279
Speaker 6: It'd be funny. I don't know about it. But yeah,

1925
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:23,560
there's so much on the way to you know, like

1926
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,760
it's kind of like dancing between the rain drops, you know,

1927
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,880
like it's just kind of keep keep dancing on. But oh, man,

1928
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,119
with all thanks, that's humbling and nice.

1929
01:32:32,039 --> 01:32:33,520
Speaker 1: And well, I mean, I'm serious.

1930
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 2: I've always been like I'm telling you, I've wanted to

1931
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,039
do this with you because I I knew if you.

1932
01:32:38,039 --> 01:32:40,039
Speaker 1: Scratch the surface, there's a lot of layers to this.

1933
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:41,520
There's so many more stories.

1934
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 6: I'm sure love to have you back sometime and stop

1935
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:45,840
myself from going oh.

1936
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah and then yeah, but see, that'd be awesome. See

1937
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:49,399
that's the thing.

1938
01:32:50,119 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's it's been amazing anybody doing Universal Buzz

1939
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,479
Radio at all? No, we we people still want those shirts.

1940
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,720
The guy from Ween loves the shirts, and a couple

1941
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,720
of guys that are like it's a base boy. I

1942
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,399
always wanted to be an astronaut, so I mean the

1943
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,880
logo a kid in a space helmet for Universal Buzz,

1944
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,199
and that was we just built a brand.

1945
01:33:09,399 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Universal Buzz stuff everywhere.

1946
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:15,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, started unbe are here. Yeah, and then that's pretty

1947
01:33:15,159 --> 01:33:18,239
much how I met Jen, Like my wife, Okay, the

1948
01:33:18,359 --> 01:33:21,079
radio program, Okay, I have a I make up a story.

1949
01:33:21,119 --> 01:33:24,159
We'll talk about that later when I'm traveling, Like, I

1950
01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:27,319
got a great made up story. They're like, really, the

1951
01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:31,119
more I talk about really know, but you gotta have

1952
01:33:31,119 --> 01:33:31,600
fun with people.

1953
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but did you meet any Was there ever

1954
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:37,439
anybody who you really wanted to meet and then you

1955
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,439
met them and it was just really disappointing.

1956
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:41,359
Speaker 3: M Any rock stars or.

1957
01:33:41,319 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 2: Anything you see that have a vibe about you that

1958
01:33:44,039 --> 01:33:47,279
they they're very open and accepting of you. But sometimes

1959
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,720
which I always think is a great thing, because you know,

1960
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:53,159
like you meet your hero and you could you remember

1961
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:55,479
what they were wearing, what they said, all this stuff,

1962
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,640
and then if they blow you off, that's a that's

1963
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:01,119
a big moment for people that that can. But it

1964
01:34:01,119 --> 01:34:02,479
doesn't sound like you had at all.

1965
01:34:03,039 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good, man.

1966
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 6: I've seen them treat people of bad lee around me

1967
01:34:09,159 --> 01:34:12,479
like and that's a turn off, Like yeah for me,

1968
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,720
I'm like yeah, not to me, but did somebody else?

1969
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,640
And I'm like, man Like Gene Simmons, for instance, always

1970
01:34:19,279 --> 01:34:22,560
stops and listens and says hello if they're like I've

1971
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,399
been a big fan my whole life. I've seen him

1972
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,680
do it. He did it to me before. He always

1973
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,439
stops and says thank you.

1974
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Was ever a kiss fan?

1975
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,600
Speaker 1: I interviewed him once. He's brilliant.

1976
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a brilliant marketing guy. But he also knows

1977
01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:38,640
nice and that it's because of the kiss army. Yeah

1978
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:39,239
he does.

1979
01:34:39,119 --> 01:34:40,239
Speaker 1: And really intelligent.

1980
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,399
Speaker 2: Some woman spoke called up and spoke Hungarian to him

1981
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:47,239
and he answered her, oh yeah, And I was like, man, yeah,

1982
01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:50,279
he was a guy who doesn't disappoint at all, and

1983
01:34:50,359 --> 01:34:51,279
I think shocks people.

1984
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:52,039
Speaker 1: It was weird.

1985
01:34:52,079 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 6: Well, Sun Dance, I used to have to play for

1986
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:59,199
entertainment for the celebrities, so you know, Dennis Quaid. I

1987
01:34:59,279 --> 01:35:01,000
had to tell Timothy Hunting he had to sit out

1988
01:35:01,119 --> 01:35:03,079
one song because he wanted to play drums again. But

1989
01:35:03,119 --> 01:35:05,520
my job was to get them, the celebrities to play

1990
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:08,039
for the entertainment and it was getting images, so all

1991
01:35:08,039 --> 01:35:09,159
the sloves had to go there. It was like a

1992
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:14,479
three story gifting house in Park City. Yeah yeah, and

1993
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,840
then everybody, every everybody I played with was cool, like

1994
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,920
the edge game is guitar to play like. He was

1995
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:23,600
the Sherbert looking one, Matt sorm sant In on drums.

1996
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:28,359
It was Pedro from Napoleon Dinam. He plays harmonica. One

1997
01:35:28,359 --> 01:35:30,680
time I got a call they go, the Hobbits want

1998
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,279
you to come back to the gifting house and this

1999
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,239
after hours, and I'm like, all right, I thought it

2000
01:35:35,279 --> 01:35:37,079
was a band, and it was actually Elijah Wood in

2001
01:35:37,119 --> 01:35:39,800
the Hobbits that wanted and where we stole a bottle

2002
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:43,560
of vaka from the Vaka booth from played music online?

2003
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 1: How did you get that gig with Sundance? It was

2004
01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:46,720
It was weird.

2005
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:50,079
Speaker 6: It was like throw and through Gibson and an endorsement

2006
01:35:50,279 --> 01:35:52,359
and through some friends that had friends out in Park

2007
01:35:52,399 --> 01:35:54,960
City that I knew, and it all just came together.

2008
01:35:55,119 --> 01:35:57,399
Speaker 3: Because there's a There was a guy in Park City.

2009
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,560
Speaker 2: His name was Rich Wyman and Rich when I lived

2010
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,920
there it was ninety three, and he would play all

2011
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,880
the bars and stuff and he was really trying to

2012
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,199
make it, make it, make it. And Valerie Burtinelli's brother

2013
01:36:07,359 --> 01:36:09,880
was lived there, was a good friend, and Eddie van

2014
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:14,279
Halen came out saw him and funded the record and everything.

2015
01:36:14,279 --> 01:36:15,960
But I don't think it ever went anywhere for this

2016
01:36:16,039 --> 01:36:18,720
poor guy. And then I saw I was backstage at

2017
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,920
a van Halen concert and I said, Eddie, do you.

2018
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 3: Know Rich Wiman?

2019
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,199
Speaker 1: And we talked for like ten minutes about Rich. He

2020
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:23,560
loved him.

2021
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,319
Speaker 2: He goes he's a great piano player, all this stuff,

2022
01:36:25,319 --> 01:36:26,560
and he played all over Park City.

2023
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,560
Speaker 3: But I bet he would die to get gigs like that.

2024
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:29,319
Speaker 1: He never got it.

2025
01:36:29,239 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 6: It was I met Burtnelli at a bar in Park

2026
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,359
City during suns and I was like, what was she

2027
01:36:36,359 --> 01:36:38,600
doing that? Because she wasn't really doing much back then.

2028
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,119
Wouldn't make sense now I didn't really.

2029
01:36:40,319 --> 01:36:43,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, her brother live. Her brother lived in Old Park City.

2030
01:36:43,079 --> 01:36:44,720
Did you ever go down into Old Park City?

2031
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:45,199
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2032
01:36:45,319 --> 01:36:48,520
Speaker 3: So he lived in Sweetheart Man, No, I never did.

2033
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,840
I didn't. I I met a brother, but that was it.

2034
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:52,239
Speaker 6: She's super sweet.

2035
01:36:52,279 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, what's so? What's next now for Iron Smoke?

2036
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,560
Speaker 6: Just keeping the making the best bourbon weekend.

2037
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and growing.

2038
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 6: We got a five X growth plan right now. We

2039
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,439
got a grant from the state. We need to make

2040
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,119
more bourbon. It doesn't come out of the fasces and

2041
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:12,079
we make everything there so we don't put filler in.

2042
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,520
We make it all for the iron smoke.

2043
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 2: Everything's locally sourced. When we say New York State Farm Distillery,

2044
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,039
it's all from our region.

2045
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:19,399
Speaker 1: Yep.

2046
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 6: Farmer rush right down here in Williamson. He grows our

2047
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:24,520
wheat and corn. We go out there and visit him.

2048
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:25,199
Speaker 1: You know.

2049
01:37:25,279 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 6: It's it's truly a really great farm distillery, great vibe.

2050
01:37:30,119 --> 01:37:32,079
We're part of the New York State Distillers Guild. But

2051
01:37:32,319 --> 01:37:36,199
next for us is the making sure we can make

2052
01:37:36,279 --> 01:37:41,279
more as we grow. And then we're having a Bourbon

2053
01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:44,680
festival in October. I saw twenty twenty. First it's going

2054
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:49,000
to be music culture in Bourbon. It's called Hoochinnani Hoochinnanny

2055
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:52,239
Yeah wow. And we're working with the guys that work

2056
01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:55,800
with Bonnaru out of Louisville. So we're gonna try and

2057
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,439
build a franchise out of it and have some fun

2058
01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:00,520
and promote tourism to the thing.

2059
01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:03,279
Speaker 1: For a nice time of the year to do it too. Yeah,

2060
01:38:03,279 --> 01:38:04,199
it's a great time.

2061
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:07,119
Speaker 6: Idea like having the fallow and the harvest season, which

2062
01:38:07,159 --> 01:38:10,720
is super important to you know, make some bourbon makers

2063
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,600
and spirits makers and but that's gonna be a ripper.

2064
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to come down to the podcast there,

2065
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:16,079
do it?

2066
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2067
01:38:16,359 --> 01:38:19,399
Speaker 3: I really would love great. Yeah, well, thanks so much

2068
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:20,279
for your time. Man.

2069
01:38:20,319 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know what your days are like.

2070
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,960
I think they get a little crazy. It's everything.

2071
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, thankful, I'm busy.

2072
01:38:26,039 --> 01:38:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2073
01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:28,079
Speaker 2: Well that's a good thing. That's a great thing. Do

2074
01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:29,439
you mind if I close with this again?

2075
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:33,239
Speaker 6: Oh no, I love it. I never leave your buddy

2076
01:38:33,279 --> 01:38:34,159
without playing the song.

2077
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,119
Speaker 1: Really, that's funny.

2078
01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 6: The guy from I'm Not with the Tory guitar Player,

2079
01:38:39,399 --> 01:38:40,439
They're like, no, you're the guy.

2080
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 1: You are residual.

2081
01:38:43,159 --> 01:38:46,039
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, probably the coolest guy in in

2082
01:38:46,119 --> 01:38:47,720
Western New York, Tommy Burnt.

2083
01:38:48,199 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: Seriously, you gotta just go.

2084
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:51,600
Speaker 2: If you haven't been to Iron Smoke, you gotta go

2085
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,760
to Iron Smoke and you gotta, uh, you gotta make

2086
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:54,239
it happen.

2087
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:55,159
Speaker 6: Thanks.

2088
01:38:55,439 --> 01:39:01,319
Speaker 1: Thanks,