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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome back. I'm Emily Moyer. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>very exciting show today.

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<v Speaker 2>A gentleman that I just met recently when I was

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<v Speaker 2>on his show, but I've been tracking for a while

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<v Speaker 2>is here. He is the host of Forbidden Knowledge News,

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<v Speaker 2>runs the Forbidden Knowledge News Network and is the creator

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<v Speaker 2>of the documentaries A Cult Louisiana and the brand new

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<v Speaker 2>Doors of Perception. Chris Matthew, Welcome to Strange Mosaic. Nice

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<v Speaker 2>to see you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Emily, thank you so much for having me. Looking

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<v Speaker 3>forward to it all rays ready to get weird.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we do weird here. That's kind of what I

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<v Speaker 1>specialize it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I first, obviously like I've been kind

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<v Speaker 2>of aware of you for a while, partly because other

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<v Speaker 2>people who are on your network are people who I've

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<v Speaker 2>done shows with or who've.

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<v Speaker 1>Been on my shows.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like last year, maybe maybe it was two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago now, but I think it was last year,

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<v Speaker 2>my really good friends from the Melt had you on,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys were talking a lot lot about your

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<v Speaker 2>experiences with psychedelics, and much of what you had to

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<v Speaker 2>say really resonated with me for how I view the experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when I was getting ready to go on

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<v Speaker 2>your show, I sort of familiarized myself with some of

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<v Speaker 2>your other stuff, and I kind of came to this

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<v Speaker 2>interesting recognition that though you and I are like personally

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<v Speaker 2>quite different and maybe what we focus on is a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit different, the years of looking at this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>have brought us to an understanding that I actually feel

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<v Speaker 2>like your perspective on things and my perspective on things

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<v Speaker 2>may be more similar than almost what I have with

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<v Speaker 2>anyone else, even those who I have maybe more topical

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<v Speaker 2>interests or whatever in common with. So I enjoyed speaking

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<v Speaker 2>with you when I was on your show, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to digging into that sort of resonance today.

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<v Speaker 2>I did watch your new documentary Doors of Perception last week,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do want to spend a good amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time talking about this today. But really, can you like

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<v Speaker 2>so my audience can get to know you in case

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<v Speaker 2>they don't. Sometimes when we run in different circles, there

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<v Speaker 2>can be people out there existing in the ecosystem for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time that we're just not aware of. So

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<v Speaker 2>who are you? Where do you come from? What's the plan?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you going? All that jazz?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? Well, thank you again for having me. I

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<v Speaker 3>am Chris Matthew. I am host and producer of the

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<v Speaker 3>Forbidden Knowledge News podcast and producer and director of the

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<v Speaker 3>Forbidden documentary series which you mentioned those two films earlier

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<v Speaker 3>call Louisian Indoors of Perception. Never in my life planned

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<v Speaker 3>on being a filmmaker. That just came out of some

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<v Speaker 3>very profound spiritual experiences and as well as a long

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<v Speaker 3>time kind of absorbing this kind of information and new understandings,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just inspired me to do so. But mainly

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<v Speaker 3>I do this podcast six days a week, and I

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<v Speaker 3>have some of the same topics that you cover in

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<v Speaker 3>so many of the same guests, and we do have crossovers.

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<v Speaker 3>I focus a lot on the paranormal, ufology conspiratorial type

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<v Speaker 3>of realms, but I really go everywhere and anywhere, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just blessed to be able to do this on

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<v Speaker 3>a daily basis, and like I said, talk about weird

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<v Speaker 3>stuff and make a living from it. So thank you

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<v Speaker 3>again for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>What's kind of your origin story? How did you go?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for me, while I've always been like weird

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of on the fringe of lots of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>like there was a very specific sort of series of

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<v Speaker 2>events that dislodged me from any attachment to normal reality

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<v Speaker 2>and entrenched me completely in whatever the fuck is that

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<v Speaker 2>we're in.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that for you?

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<v Speaker 3>For me, it was very interesting. It really started about

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve and around that time period. That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>So many people have that same time period that they

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<v Speaker 3>kind of started to wake up. But I was going

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<v Speaker 3>through a bad divorce. I was depressed. I had no

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<v Speaker 3>idea what direction my life was going to go, even

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<v Speaker 3>though I had a comfortable career as a salesman and

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<v Speaker 3>at a corporate job, you know, doing bullshit sales, and

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<v Speaker 3>I hated that job. Like I was, you know, making

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<v Speaker 3>good money, but I dreaded waking up in the morning

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<v Speaker 3>and having to go do this nonsensical job every day.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was just looking for something else in my

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<v Speaker 3>life at the time. I had no spiritual path. I

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<v Speaker 3>was for the longest time sex, drugs and rock and roll,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got married to the wrong woman and that

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<v Speaker 3>led to pharmaceuticals and rock and roll and just a

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<v Speaker 3>very depressed lifestyle. Wasn't eating right, wasn't living right on

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of pharmaceuticals, just trying to get By went

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<v Speaker 3>through this divorce, and that kicked me awake because I

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<v Speaker 3>just knew I had to find something as a child.

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<v Speaker 3>As a young child, I was always into this weird

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<v Speaker 3>stuff paranormal and magic and mysticism, and I loved all

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff. And I also grew up in a Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>home and was scared out of the Catholic Church at

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<v Speaker 3>a very young age just because of the crazy dogmen

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<v Speaker 3>everything that surrounds that. But I decided that I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>going to start diving back into things that make me

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<v Speaker 3>happy and passionate. So I started doing back in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube was a great place to start if you were

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<v Speaker 3>looking for because they had access to all these great

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<v Speaker 3>conspiracies and shows and information. It wasn't censored yet. So

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<v Speaker 3>I started there and that led me to books that

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to read and people that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to. And I just started really getting passionate about

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<v Speaker 3>these alternative topics that we cover. And I started writing

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<v Speaker 3>a blog on Facebook called Forbidden Knowledge News, and people

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<v Speaker 3>started following it. I got a few thousand followers very

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<v Speaker 3>early started growing and I thought, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know enough about any of this stuff for you people

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<v Speaker 3>to be listening to me. I got to start talking

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<v Speaker 3>to other people. So I started reaching out to some

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<v Speaker 3>of my favorite authors and researchers and people that I

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<v Speaker 3>was really into, and amazingly enough, they agreed to come

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<v Speaker 3>on this new show that I started on YouTube call

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<v Speaker 3>Forbidden Knowledge News. It was an interview based show. I

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<v Speaker 3>was also in the early days covering these little kind

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<v Speaker 3>of apocalyptic news stories that were happening around the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I was really I started out in deep into the

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<v Speaker 3>world is going to end any day soon. I was

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<v Speaker 3>very dark into that for a while, but that shifted

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<v Speaker 3>once I got a better understanding of everything and I

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<v Speaker 3>started having these wonderful guests on the show, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was just a YouTube channel. One day I had the

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<v Speaker 3>amazing Charlie Robinson on and he suggested that I turned

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<v Speaker 3>my show into a podcast. He hooked me up with

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<v Speaker 3>my now producer, Corey Hughes, who is the author of

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of great JFK books, and we started this

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<v Speaker 3>network just with my podcast to start out with. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's where it all really started. In twenty fifteen or sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>that's when the podcast came to fruition. But the career

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<v Speaker 3>kind of flourished in a different way because it was

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<v Speaker 3>just a fun hobby at the time. We weren't I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't making any money, had no idea how to turn

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<v Speaker 3>this into a career of any type. So that is

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of different transition story if you want to

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<v Speaker 3>get into that. It's kind of a long story, but

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<v Speaker 3>we can go there if you'd like. It's basically my

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<v Speaker 3>first which you would call spiritual contact experience, which led

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<v Speaker 3>me ultimately where I'm at now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you don't mind share a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>that and then oh yeah, enough, we can give them.

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<v Speaker 2>We can get into I think that you know, doors

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<v Speaker 2>of perception, which is probably a reflection of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that early experience and then all you've learned since then

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<v Speaker 2>when you sort of look back at it, right, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, So it was early twenty twenty, the whole

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<v Speaker 3>COVID Fiesco hadn't really kicked in yet. I was again

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<v Speaker 3>going through a bad breakup. I had this cycle of

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<v Speaker 3>getting into a very toxic relationships, you could say, So

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<v Speaker 3>this was another one going through a bad breakup, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing the show for a while and it

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<v Speaker 3>was going well. It was picking up a large audience,

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<v Speaker 3>but I had still had no idea how to translate

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<v Speaker 3>that into I can make a living off of this,

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<v Speaker 3>so it never even crossed my mind to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>I was still at my corporate job and doing this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, two three times a week when I would

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<v Speaker 3>come home as a hobby, and I was you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I really was passionate about it. I loved it. It

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<v Speaker 3>consumed me, but I still had to wake up every

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<v Speaker 3>day and go into this BS job so I could survive.

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<v Speaker 3>One day, I come home and, like I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just pissed off at the world at this time because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where to go. I have still no

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual foundation. I'm looking into all these weird things but

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<v Speaker 3>no just no spiritual connection at all. And I had

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<v Speaker 3>been talking to people about meditations, so I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this is why not just give it a shot? And

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<v Speaker 3>I had been trying for a while with no success

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<v Speaker 3>until this one evening in twenty twenty when I get

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<v Speaker 3>home and I don't know if this is connected in

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<v Speaker 3>any way, but I add this to my story because

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<v Speaker 3>it feels like it is. I was talking to my

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<v Speaker 3>neighbor in my front yard and I look up at

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<v Speaker 3>the sky and there's these like three bright orange flames

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<v Speaker 3>a UFO or so, I don't know, I have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea what it is. And then it all of a

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<v Speaker 3>sudden just bloot blinks out of existence. And I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of filed that as, oh, that's interesting, maybe a UFO,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe not. But a few minutes later I go into

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<v Speaker 3>I start to try my meditation, and I took some

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<v Speaker 3>advice from people, put on four thirty two hrtz tones

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<v Speaker 3>and different breathing techniques, and I was really able to

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<v Speaker 3>get into this extreme state of peace and quiet and stillness.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was in that for I don't know how long.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of lost track of time, and all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, you know, this kind of blue light came

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<v Speaker 3>into my subconscious peripheral vision and got brighter and brighter,

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<v Speaker 3>and as it was getting brighter and brighter, I felt

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<v Speaker 3>this immense love like I'd never ever felt before. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like, you know, I thought I knew what love

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<v Speaker 3>felt like from my parents and you know, maybe girlfriends,

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<v Speaker 3>but this was this was incredibly powerful. It felt like

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<v Speaker 3>a love drug or something. I was just beaming and

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<v Speaker 3>it was amazing and whatever this was It spoke in

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<v Speaker 3>my mind. It said, hey, Chris, it's time for us

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<v Speaker 3>to talk. Are you ready? And I'm like, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 3>I freak out, like I revert to childhood dogma. I

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<v Speaker 3>asked this. I was like, in Jesus Christ, name are

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<v Speaker 3>you a demon? And it immediately has this like laughter

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<v Speaker 3>and reassurance and love just coming at me, and it's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all good. Calm down, and it's like I've been

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<v Speaker 3>with you your whole life. We need to talk. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was like, what are you? Who

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<v Speaker 3>are He's like, just calm down, let's talk first. So

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<v Speaker 3>I said, okay, you have at least a name, and

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<v Speaker 3>it said yeah, but you don't. You wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 3>to pronounce it. Call me whatever you want. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, I'll call you Layered because my cousin when

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<v Speaker 3>So hey, you're Layered. The beings like all right, cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So it proceeds to tell me that I need to

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<v Speaker 3>into certain topics that would leave me in a certain direction,

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<v Speaker 3>and also that there was some the world was about

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<v Speaker 3>to change in a very profound way. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 3>and it said you need to prepare yourself and it

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<v Speaker 3>like all these things that I didn't want to hear

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. I'm like, I thought I was fine.

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<v Speaker 3>very important things that I can do to heal myself.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things, oddly enough, this voice is weird.

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<v Speaker 3>This incarnate voice that showed up says you should do

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<v Speaker 3>psilocybin to help with your healing of your trauma. It

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<v Speaker 3>I have an understanding of what it is now, and

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual connection. And after that vo it just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>And I found it very strange that it mentioned psychedelics

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<v Speaker 3>never have wanted to go back to that experience because

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<v Speaker 3>out of me, and I'm like, why would Why would

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<v Speaker 3>I do that again? So that kind of resonated with

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<v Speaker 3>me a little bit. Found it very strange, And the

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<v Speaker 3>main message before the connection ended was you need to

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<v Speaker 3>quit your job and do what you're doing what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Do with the show. It's like, yeah, do what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 3>quit your job immediately, and I'm like, co no, but

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for the suggestion. So a few days went

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<v Speaker 3>by after this and I'm talking to people that I

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<v Speaker 3>out what this was, What's going on. If I just

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<v Speaker 3>by and I'm thinking, you know what this, I have

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<v Speaker 3>to try and do this again. I have to get

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<v Speaker 3>back in touch with this. Somehow, I try and try,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it was like on the fifth day,

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<v Speaker 2>And I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I got in the bathtub, I put on the tones,

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<v Speaker 3>went into a meditative state, and there the voice comes

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<v Speaker 3>back with the blue light and it was layered and

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<v Speaker 3>it was the same familiar feeling. It proceeded to walk

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<v Speaker 3>me through this childhood traumatic memory that I had, and

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of letting me know, you need to kind

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<v Speaker 3>need to remember them in order to get past them,

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<v Speaker 3>and you need, you know, to heal your inner child

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<v Speaker 3>all these you know, things that we do whenever we

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<v Speaker 3>So I was able to remember this very traumatic childhood

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<v Speaker 3>memory was very profound. It's a very emotional moment. And

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<v Speaker 3>my eyes and I was in my bathroom and everything

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<v Speaker 3>was there. But when I closed my eyes, the environment

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<v Speaker 3>was uniform. I could look around and I was on

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<v Speaker 3>a spaceship, like, no, a legit spaceship. And they had

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<v Speaker 3>these like atheric translucent beings that looked like the looked

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<v Speaker 3>like the little holographs on Star Wars when they would

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<v Speaker 3>looking beings, like tote of animals, but they were kind

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<v Speaker 3>of more humanoid in a sense because they were standing

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<v Speaker 3>just beaming these amazing feelings of love to me. And

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<v Speaker 3>this little frog dude, well not little, he was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a big frog dude. And he walks up and

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<v Speaker 3>he proceeds to like again, being these feelings of love

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<v Speaker 3>and ask me if I am ready to accept my

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<v Speaker 3>I always try to remember exactly how he said this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember exactly what it was, but it's something

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<v Speaker 3>along the lines of if I'm ready to step into

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<v Speaker 3>my mission that I agreed to when I incarnated in

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<v Speaker 3>this reality, and it was such an emotional thing that

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<v Speaker 3>I just connected with and I was like, yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I was so excited. I was crying, and whatever these

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<v Speaker 3>etheric beings were, they were just, you know, so happy

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<v Speaker 3>that I accepted and it felt like they were applauding me.

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<v Speaker 3>That experience eventually faded, and it was so profound, it

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<v Speaker 3>was so powerful that I knew there was something to this.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew whatever I experienced was was there was something

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<v Speaker 3>real about it. I couldn't deny it, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>had connected with something. So within six months, I take

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<v Speaker 3>out my four to zoe K and I quit my job.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in South Louisiana at the time, which I

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<v Speaker 3>really wasn't happy there, so move out to Colorado. Always

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to go out to the mountains start throwing myself

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<v Speaker 3>into this. Terrifying because we didn't know how long my

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<v Speaker 3>if I was going to be able to make this

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<v Speaker 3>a success or won everything or anything like that. So

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<v Speaker 3>a few months go by and it was terrifying. We

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<v Speaker 3>were losing money, but then one day we look at

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<v Speaker 3>our revenue and it's like, holy shit, we can pay

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<v Speaker 3>rent this month. And then you know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>months go by and we can pay rent and get

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<v Speaker 3>a hamburger this month. It's quite amazing. So it just

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<v Speaker 3>it kept getting better and better, and I since I

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<v Speaker 3>moved to Colorado. I didn't even put the connection together

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, but magic mushrooms are legal to grow here,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I started started my little farm, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is when my psilocybin experiences started, which I'm sure we'll

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<v Speaker 3>get into a little later. Some wild stuff happened there,

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<v Speaker 3>but that is when the real journey began. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>gotten into the film stuff yet. I was inspired later

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<v Speaker 3>through psychedelics to do the films, and yeah, that's where

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<v Speaker 3>that's where I was at. We just started to become

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<v Speaker 1>Super interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So you said a couple of things that like hit

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<v Speaker 2>a few specific marks for me as a familiar to

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<v Speaker 2>some of my own experiences, but be things that I

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<v Speaker 2>hear from other people who you know, have gone through

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<v Speaker 2>some of these experiences and then end up developing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a similar perspective on what all of this is.

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<v Speaker 2>And so from just from my point of view, just

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion is it is no doubt connected that whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you saw in the sky is what altered your ability

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<v Speaker 2>to get into a more profound, meditative sche right. Because

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<v Speaker 2>while there's lots of different opinions out there about what

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<v Speaker 2>the UFO phenomenon is, are they man made? Are they alien?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they interdimensional? Are they biological? Are they technological?

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know for sure with any ar all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm one of those people who's like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a both and it doesn't ever. It's not ever either

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<v Speaker 2>or for me that it is. It is a frequency

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<v Speaker 2>and resonance based phenomena, right, And so what it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like is just though you caught it for a second,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's almost like, I don't mean this in the

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<v Speaker 2>negative sense of the word, but it's almost like being

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<v Speaker 1>You had your right to be adjusted, right, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>You were able to go into a headspace that you

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<v Speaker 2>were sort of made aware of that transition into that

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<v Speaker 2>space by this blue light.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you talk to people who have.

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<v Speaker 2>Had experiences in underground bases or what some people refer

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<v Speaker 2>to as like cloning centers, there's often a blue light involved.

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<v Speaker 2>If you talk to people who feel that they've had

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<v Speaker 2>interaction with some sort of plasma entity or some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of light being, there's also a blue light often involved.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Things I've come I've had a lot of experience with

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<v Speaker 2>blue lights. And one thing that started happening for me

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<v Speaker 2>when I moved to Austin the most recent time, which

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<v Speaker 2>was in twenty twenty one, was that I started seeing

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<v Speaker 2>these interesting blue lights that would be like directly in

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<v Speaker 1>They were always at eye level. It wasn't like off

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<v Speaker 2>They were always did be frustrate in front of me,

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<v Speaker 2>and as soon as my attention locked on it, it

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<v Speaker 2>would disappear. And I cannot even remember the exact way

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<v Speaker 2>to say the term, but it has something to do

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<v Speaker 2>with like the a light photon, or like something about

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<v Speaker 2>something that's coming in at a specific speed of light

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<v Speaker 2>and that some of these other intelligences that are not

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<v Speaker 2>at embodies that that might be how they would sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like make themselves known, is like they right.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody was talking about the red shift and blue shifts

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<v Speaker 3>the other day that the higher dimension will have to

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<v Speaker 3>red shift down to us and we have to blue shift,

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe it's the opposite, but it really kind of

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<v Speaker 3>connects with what you're saying there, right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's a couple of different ways to see it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it depends on whether you see things as more

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<v Speaker 2>like dimensional or more temporal, like exactly the mechanics of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, like for me, along with.

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<v Speaker 2>The phenomena of these blue lights kind of things, I

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<v Speaker 2>would get these weird things that I refer to as

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<v Speaker 2>like feather orbs. Like there would be like, particularly when

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<v Speaker 2>I was in this one apartment, there'd be all these

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<v Speaker 2>like feathers that would come at like not floating like

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<v Speaker 2>you would normally some a feather.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd like come in at some really crazy angle with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of speed or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And when I would look down at the floor,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no feathers on the floor, So like, what

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<v Speaker 2>were they?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like for one period of time, you could see them

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<v Speaker 2>in almost all of my shows. Now there's like an

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<v Speaker 2>it's completely closed off. There's no external light coming and

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<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling that these beings like some external

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<v Speaker 2>But it seems like to me when I read, like

424
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<v Speaker 2>read Robert Temple's book The New Science of Heaven, which

425
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<v Speaker 2>is all about plasma, that it's likely that the you know,

426
00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.680
<v Speaker 2>we have this sort of full environment around us that

427
00:22:55.720 --> 00:23:01.079
<v Speaker 2>we can't normally see, but specifically, like if you can

428
00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:03.079
<v Speaker 2>start to be able to see things that sort of

429
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.440
<v Speaker 2>come in at a certain angle, right like, and you

430
00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:07.559
<v Speaker 2>start to notice this kind of thing, and that might

431
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<v Speaker 2>be some of these intelligences that don't have bodies in

432
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<v Speaker 2>the way that we think think of them trying to

433
00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:19.119
<v Speaker 2>do something to sort of catch our attention, and like

434
00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:21.920
<v Speaker 2>certain kind of corners with certain kind of angles, they

435
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.440
<v Speaker 2>seem to be happening more in rooms that have that

436
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:27.319
<v Speaker 2>or in areas around that. So it makes sense to

437
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.440
<v Speaker 2>me on some level that that would be I mean,

438
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it's got to be weird, like we are not noticing

439
00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>someone else's there, but they can see us all the

440
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.880
<v Speaker 2>time or something like that. Right, It's kind of these

441
00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:43.319
<v Speaker 2>one of these weird situations that humans find themselves in.

442
00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And they do have sort of like a.

443
00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Plasma sheath kind of membranes or something, but it's not

444
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<v Speaker 2>like what we think of as like a physical body

445
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.720
<v Speaker 2>that is easy to notice in space. So the thing

446
00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:01.119
<v Speaker 2>with the blue light and the UFO my attention for sure,

447
00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and it was it's a frequency adjust right, And then

448
00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:07.359
<v Speaker 2>you were able to sort of get into this space

449
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and stay in this space for a period of time.

450
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.880
<v Speaker 2>And then when you told me that they recommended psilocybin,

451
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:19.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm coming to understand that silocybin does. And we can

452
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.359
<v Speaker 2>get into this more in the second hour, for sure.

453
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 2>But what it's really good at is mediating a conversation

454
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<v Speaker 2>between someone or something here and someone or something there.

455
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's.

456
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<v Speaker 2>That it provides a little extra energy to sort of

457
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:43.279
<v Speaker 2>carry sort of information across this like membrane a little bit,

458
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:46.759
<v Speaker 2>or if it has to do with the amplification of

459
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.240
<v Speaker 2>our senses, like our hearing gets adjusted and our visual

460
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:53.000
<v Speaker 2>acuity gets adjusted, which is kind of similar to having

461
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 2>a frequency adjust from the outside. So it's like tuned

462
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.559
<v Speaker 2>you into that band on the radio where now you

463
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 2>can sort of transmit messages and hear them back or whatever.

464
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.000
<v Speaker 2>It is, right, And it's not like an audio or

465
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 2>a visual message per se. It's informational, but it has

466
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<v Speaker 2>to do with the attunement of our eyes and our ears.

467
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<v Speaker 1>So that was interesting. And then what you said about

468
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<v Speaker 1>the bathtub, right, Like.

469
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<v Speaker 2>For some reason, water, I always have my best ideas

470
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.759
<v Speaker 2>either in the shower, in the bathtub or like weirdly

471
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:28.079
<v Speaker 2>like on the toilet, right, which also is sort of

472
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:31.279
<v Speaker 2>this interesting water and vortex kind of scenario.

473
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:35.680
<v Speaker 1>But for me, I've had all kinds of psychedelic experiences.

474
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<v Speaker 1>The most intense psychedelic visuals I ever have are in

475
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<v Speaker 1>the bathtub.

476
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And like since that was little, like when I'm in

477
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:47.400
<v Speaker 2>the shower or the bath I'll like rub my eyes

478
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and I have a level of intense

479
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:54.319
<v Speaker 2>visuals that I've not seen on psychedelics and that I've

480
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.960
<v Speaker 2>not seen in the visual Like I go to a

481
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:02.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of undergroundhouse parties techno music, and the ones I

482
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 2>go to are like the height of audio and visual production,

483
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>and like the kind of visual shows they have that

484
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:12.480
<v Speaker 2>include lasers and screen mapping and literally like retinal like

485
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.519
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's you'd be blown away. Some of the

486
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.519
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I've seen. None of it matches up a

487
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.519
<v Speaker 2>to the most intense psychedelic visions, but definitely not to

488
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.799
<v Speaker 2>these visuals in the bathtub. They're so intense that I

489
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:29.519
<v Speaker 2>can't stay there for very long because it becomes it's

490
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:34.599
<v Speaker 2>an amount of light and saturation and definition that is

491
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>hard to stay.

492
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Focused on for a bit.

493
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.480
<v Speaker 2>But when I look at it, what it really looks

494
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>like is very very Masonic in terms of the floor,

495
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.359
<v Speaker 2>the setup, and some of the.

496
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Characters.

497
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.160
<v Speaker 2>It's much more futuristic looking than when we look at

498
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>like Masonic art. But if you think about it, maybe

499
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.200
<v Speaker 2>you know a couple thousand years ago, when people first

500
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:03.160
<v Speaker 2>started to try and create groups and societies or works

501
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 2>around these types of states, they didn't have the technology

502
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.680
<v Speaker 2>to create hyper real looking things, so they were just

503
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to with the tools they had create a replica

504
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 2>of the thing that they saw quickly. Because again it's intense,

505
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to stay there. But when I look at them,

506
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>it looks like super hyperreal, like super otherworldly. But it

507
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 2>has all of the elements of what I think of

508
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 2>as Masonic architecture or art, or the Masonic setup or

509
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>the characters or whatever it is, Like I call it

510
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:45.160
<v Speaker 2>psychedelic masonry, right, and so like whatever that experience is

511
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 2>that being submerged and then sort of finding a space

512
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>to connect is one.

513
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Of the.

514
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Probably like I don't know if they're saying oldest, but

515
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 2>the most traveled paths of information transfer, right, like like

516
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:06.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, throughout time.

517
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.079
<v Speaker 1>And so that's all like super interesting. I have a

518
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>question about layered, right.

519
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:19.599
<v Speaker 2>When I have had some of these conversations, Like I've

520
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 2>never had a two hour conversation like with someone that

521
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I perceived as being a separate being. I've had all

522
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.599
<v Speaker 2>night long conversations with what felt like a version of

523
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>myself that exists outside of time, right, that is sort

524
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 2>of like out of the time stream.

525
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 3>But that's what That's what I've come to understand layered

526
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.039
<v Speaker 3>is by higher self. Yes, okay, that connection yeah.

527
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, And and part of how I've understood it over

528
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>time is like you get to know the personality and

529
00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the characteristics, looking for whether there's deceit or trickery or

530
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 2>like promising you things that aren't. And my experience with

531
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>all of this is like no, mostly it's just gives

532
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 2>me a word or two, a few words sometimes to

533
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 2>inspire my search or like if I'm really really struggling

534
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>or suffering, like tell me a thing that either I

535
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't think of or that I know deep down, but

536
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>like I don't want to do because it's scarier. It

537
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.519
<v Speaker 2>means giving some up something.

538
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Or whatever it is.

539
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 2>But there's never been like some luring me into a situation,

540
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 2>right that, Like people warn you about entities or demons

541
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>or whatever it is, There's never been any any of

542
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>that with this particular sort of situation or set up.

543
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.720
<v Speaker 2>So it sounds to me like that it's you know

544
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>that this is the classic initiation on some level. It's

545
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:58.799
<v Speaker 2>a decentralized process for those who choose to pursue it

546
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:02.720
<v Speaker 2>by themselves instead, yeah, in a group, you know, Like

547
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I had a girl on my show recently who has

548
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>written a book about the underground dance music scene as

549
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 2>a decentralized mystery school that allows someone to initiate themselves, right,

550
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 2>and we had an interesting conversation around that. But the

551
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>same can be said for the pursuit of this information

552
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 2>that we're doing that we've been doing, or the looking

553
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>at you know, ones developing a long term sort of

554
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>back and forth relationship with a psychedelic substance or whatever

555
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it is. So sounds like you you know, you were initiated,

556
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, at the pace that you were ready under

557
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 2>the circumstances.

558
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>That you could accept it and.

559
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Do it responsibly, not like running around feeling like you

560
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 2>had to do something you know that involved everyone else

561
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>with your newfound knowledge, right, which is tempting for some people. Right,

562
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I know something, you don't know, what can I do

563
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>with it? Intead of just like I'm gonna wait until

564
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I even know what's going on here before I decide

565
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>if there is something to do with it, right, So

566
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. Obviously this experience I have not seen occult Louisiana,

567
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 2>but I'm intrigued now, so maybe sometime I'll check it out.

568
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 1>We can talk about that.

569
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:24.119
<v Speaker 2>I had one wild week in New Orleans once that.

570
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, that I'd love to try and understand sometime.

571
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>But I did watch Doors of Perception, and it's obviously

572
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 2>like this is, you know, the next step for you

573
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 2>and sort of taking those experiences outside and trying to

574
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.799
<v Speaker 2>affect more people with that. Why did you decide to

575
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>do the documentary? And then how did you sort of decide?

576
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's like three or four main topics you

577
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.799
<v Speaker 2>focused on in there. The one that sort of piqued

578
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 2>my interest the most, which is another commonality between you

579
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 2>and I is the part about sleep paralysis, right, but

580
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>sort of what how did you decide to do this?

581
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>How did you decide what to focus on? And then

582
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>let's get into it a little bit.

583
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 3>So it was inspired through a series of psychedelic experiences,

584
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 3>which we'll probably get into a little later, because my

585
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 3>experiences were very all encompassing, extremely visionary. I would have

586
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 3>out of body experiences. I would have these extremely profound,

587
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 3>intertwined experiences where this reality would just get sucked into

588
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.480
<v Speaker 3>another and I would be in a different just very

589
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.799
<v Speaker 3>profound things that would happen. But we'll get into that

590
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 3>a little bit.

591
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.359
<v Speaker 1>But we'll do mushroom Mystery School on.

592
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 3>The Yeah, the mushrooms. But those experiences really inspired me

593
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.000
<v Speaker 3>to do something more. I was, you know, passionate about

594
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.519
<v Speaker 3>this show, of course, but I always loved film. I

595
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 3>always loved a visual presentation of information and in a

596
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 3>very entertaining way. So I decided to try and do

597
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 3>it myself. And I just again wanted to do it

598
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 3>my way, wanted to introduce, you know, a new way

599
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:08.200
<v Speaker 3>of doing it. Had no expectations on you know, superquality

600
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 3>or it's extremely low budget film. I the first film

601
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 3>I called Louisiana was done mainly so I could see

602
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 3>if I could do something like this, and it was

603
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 3>very experimental. It involved a lot of my friends and

604
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.920
<v Speaker 3>colleagues and this one as well a lot of people

605
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 3>guests that I've had over the years on my show

606
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.839
<v Speaker 3>that some of the information had resonated with me, and

607
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to provide a variety of perspectives on topics

608
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 3>like near death experiences, alien contact, synchronicities, dreams. I took

609
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:45.200
<v Speaker 3>a trip out to Skinwalker Ranch for this for this film,

610
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.240
<v Speaker 3>and I stayed at my buddy Ryan Burns. We added

611
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.880
<v Speaker 3>that in because there's a concentration of a lot of

612
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 3>crossover activity as I call it, at places like Skinwalker

613
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Ranch that I thought maybe would help us provide answers

614
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 3>to this, but unfortunately, it just really let me know

615
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.640
<v Speaker 3>that military exotic technology is being tested out there out

616
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 3>the wazoo, and you can't believe anything that your eyes

617
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 3>are showing you. It's probably a lot of exotic deception

618
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 3>out there. But that's a different story altogether. And yeah,

619
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.440
<v Speaker 3>I got all these wonderful people together and I decided

620
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 3>to try and put together connections between these experiences because

621
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 3>I believe they are profoundly connected, and the most important

622
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.719
<v Speaker 3>part of that is how much our perception affects the

623
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.679
<v Speaker 3>nature of these experiences. Where we're at emotionally, mentally, our

624
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.320
<v Speaker 3>understanding of the world, our understanding of spiritual concepts, will

625
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 3>have a heavy effect on paranormal encounters, contact experiences, contact

626
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 3>and dreams, everything mystical and supernatural that we could experience.

627
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Basically, Yeah, the couple of things.

628
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.880
<v Speaker 2>First of all, that the part at Skinwalker Ranch is

629
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>not something that like I've spent a super a lot

630
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 2>of time looking into or I mean, obviously I'm aware

631
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>of it, and I've heard, I've seen some stuff, but like,

632
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I actually was more intrigued with that part of the

633
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 2>documentary than if someone had said, oh, there's a part

634
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 2>about it skin walk around there, I would have been like,

635
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>but actually I found it interesting. I found the gentleman interesting.

636
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>And but what you said about all it does is

637
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>let me know that there's a like, so much military

638
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>tech going on that we can't be sure.

639
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I didn't really find out about to

640
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.599
<v Speaker 3>the extent of what I said about the military stuff

641
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 3>till long after I had completed the film and I

642
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 3>went back to Ryan. He gave me more information about things.

643
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 3>He kind of opened up more than he did before,

644
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 3>as well as some of the experiences I look back

645
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Speaker 3>at made more sense after I had a few guests

646
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 3>come on and tell me about their understanding of the

647
00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 3>weaponization of the paranormal At places like skin Walker Ranch.

648
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you one thing, we were surrounded by black

649
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.960
<v Speaker 3>ops teams. The whole time we saw shadows of military personnel.

650
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 3>They were shining lasers at us. Ryan said that no

651
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 3>matter who is out there, you're gonna be watched, You're

652
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 3>gonna be surveyed by these military groups. Whoever, these shady

653
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:21.400
<v Speaker 3>military groups are a lot of the UFOs that we

654
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 3>saw were experimental craft. There's no way to tell the difference.

655
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:29.239
<v Speaker 3>And Ryan claims that he's even seen what he calls

656
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:33.000
<v Speaker 3>nanotechnology that can shift into creatures, and one of these

657
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 3>creatures attacked one of his friends, and it's military technology.

658
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.280
<v Speaker 3>It's not, you know, anything truly supernatch. It's something that

659
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.719
<v Speaker 3>they've developed, and that is terrifying to me.

660
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 2>So one of the things that I've noticed is that

661
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.239
<v Speaker 2>that there's all that military tech there does not negate

662
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 2>the fact that there's also something that is correct that

663
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.360
<v Speaker 2>is correct, Terry, Right, So I grew up and for

664
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 2>people who listen to show, they're probably tired of hearing this,

665
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>but I'm telling you, since I'm in conversation with you

666
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 2>where I grew up in Chatsworth, California, which is about

667
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes from where I am right now. It's a

668
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.440
<v Speaker 2>suburb of Los Angeles in the San Fernando Valley, right.

669
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.320
<v Speaker 2>It is one of the places that gets overlooked when

670
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 2>people start talking about the oddities of Los Angeles and

671
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 2>get into places like Laurel Canyon or you know, JPL

672
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>or whatever it is. But for me, because I'm from there,

673
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 2>but also just because of my understanding of what's really

674
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:35.599
<v Speaker 2>going on there, it's actually hugely significant and probably intentionally

675
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:40.599
<v Speaker 2>overlooks because there's not as convenient of a story that

676
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you can weave over it as you can weave over

677
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Laurel Canyon or some of these other locations.

678
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 1>But that.

679
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Rockadine, there's a Rockadine installation in the hills of Chatsworth,

680
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 2>which is a very interesting geographic area. It doesn't look

681
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>like the rest of Los Angeles really in any way.

682
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>It has more of.

683
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 2>A look of the Southwest, or even like what.

684
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 1>We're told is like Mars or whatever it is to it, right.

685
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>And so there's Rockadyne.

686
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>It was installed in the mountain in the hills there

687
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 2>and now it's Boeing and you know, there's been radioactive

688
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 2>activity there fusion reactor, sorry, fission reactor there in the past,

689
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and they're supposedly building.

690
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Test rockets and this that like, I don't know why you.

691
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Would choose to do that, like in a place that's

692
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.920
<v Speaker 2>almost impossible to get to, and it's still it's still active, right,

693
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of stuff going on there as

694
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>it relates to energy, whether it be with particle accelerators

695
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 2>or whether it be with reactors. But it's literally built

696
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.760
<v Speaker 2>on the same land where there's an area called Burrow Flats,

697
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.800
<v Speaker 2>which is an Indian Tumash Indian sort of.

698
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Area, right like, and some.

699
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 2>Of the most the oldest and most important cave paintings

700
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.800
<v Speaker 2>in the United States are there, as it relates to

701
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:12.440
<v Speaker 2>our relationship with the heavens or the stars, right, And

702
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 2>some of the cave paintings look exactly like plasma bursts,

703
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 2>linear particle accelerators, other kinds of technologies that we know

704
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>now are thousands of years old on the wall there,

705
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and they exist in this cave called window I think

706
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 2>it's called window rock or window cave. And on the

707
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 2>winter solstice, the way the sun comes through the cave

708
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.599
<v Speaker 2>points exactly to the very middle of what looks like

709
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:42.639
<v Speaker 2>a vortex, or if you were to look at a

710
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 2>linear particle accelerator's head on it points directly to it.

711
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 2>And then it's got all this other stuff around it,

712
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 2>which to me is like, if you're standing here on

713
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.960
<v Speaker 2>this alignment, this sort of other space is going to

714
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.719
<v Speaker 2>open up and you're going to see all this kind

715
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. Now it seems like, why do they do this?

716
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Why do they put weapons companies, military installations, Department of

717
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Energy facilities on these historic lands that Native Americans used

718
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 2>to commune with the heavens and whatever it is, unless

719
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 2>there is something there, unless they take seriously that knowledge

720
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 2>that Native Americans have, or if the land has some minerality,

721
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.199
<v Speaker 2>some elements in it, or is some kind of portal

722
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 2>or window that they either want to explore or that

723
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 2>is advantageous for the kinds of activities or technologies that

724
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.360
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to undertake. And then also on the same

725
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 2>bit of land is what's known as the Manson Tunnel,

726
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 2>right where Charles Manson and the Manson family lived at

727
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Iverson Ranch, spawn Ranch, or all around this.

728
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of layers of.

729
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Inconvenient activity or knowledge that has gone on on the

730
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>same piece of land. So for me, it's got to

731
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>be that there's something about whatever the makeup of that

732
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:14.519
<v Speaker 2>land is, Yeah, makes it opportune both for spiritual activity

733
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 2>but also to learn about that spiritual activity and to

734
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>create technologies that mimic it.

735
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 3>I'll add to that because I think you're exactly right.

736
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Ryan told me some wild stories about the true natural

737
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 3>phenomena that happens there. Some of it associated with the

738
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 3>U tribes and the skin walker lore. Some of it

739
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 3>is associated with magical practitioners, Satanic practitioners that enjoy going

740
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.480
<v Speaker 3>out on the lands near his place. They often these

741
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 3>high level, high level military people will pay Ryan or

742
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 3>aerospace companies will pay him to go and do rituals

743
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.360
<v Speaker 3>out on near the land. And there's you know, one

744
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 3>guy that stays near there, and he is a known

745
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.719
<v Speaker 3>Satanic practitioner whatever you want to call it. And he

746
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 3>has this light system on top of a tint that

747
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.679
<v Speaker 3>he shines in the sky at night to quote unquote

748
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:19.920
<v Speaker 3>attract the old ones. Yep, this guy Ryan had him

749
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:21.920
<v Speaker 3>stay at one of his trailers one night and this

750
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 3>guy put all kind of sigils on the inside of

751
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 3>his trailer. For some reason, Ryan was pissed off. But

752
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 3>these sigils were placed in this black material. They were

753
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.360
<v Speaker 3>written in this black material that Ryan could not clean

754
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 3>no matter what he was using. He was using water,

755
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 3>all this chemicals, no matter what. So he went to

756
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:50.159
<v Speaker 3>one of his a ute medicineman friends who is also

757
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 3>a Christian practitioner, and he said, your only way you're

758
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 3>going to get this off is holy water. And Ryan's

759
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.760
<v Speaker 3>like bullshit, Well lo and behold, they go get some

760
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 3>holy water. They splash it. All they had to do

761
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.760
<v Speaker 3>was splash a little on these sigils and they just

762
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:10.320
<v Speaker 3>dissolved into nothing, which I thought was pretty wild. They

763
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.400
<v Speaker 3>He's also told stories of well this is this is

764
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the best one. One of his security guys a few

765
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 3>years back found these three gnarly dudes digging through one

766
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 3>of the trailers and his security guy had some other

767
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 3>dudes with him and they were strapped. They had weapons,

768
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Speaker 3>and they told the people that the three guys to freeze,

769
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 3>and when they did, they noticed they didn't look right.

770
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.960
<v Speaker 3>They had like eyeshine, like canines. They all moved in synchronicity.

771
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 3>They all sat down like dogs at the same time,

772
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 3>and then at the same time, they all jumped up

773
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.559
<v Speaker 3>and started lunging at these dudes, which they proceeded to

774
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 3>open fire. They unloaded on these guys, took they These

775
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.440
<v Speaker 3>guys took a lot of shots until they eventually just

776
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 3>turned around and started running the other way. They were

777
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 3>leaping over fences that they shouldn't have. They were running

778
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:07.000
<v Speaker 3>like canines. And the wildest part is the next day,

779
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.679
<v Speaker 3>the three members of you tribe were found in three

780
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.800
<v Speaker 3>different locations behind locked doors, dead with gunshot wounds. So

781
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.760
<v Speaker 3>pretty wild stuff happens out there. And that's, you know,

782
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:22.400
<v Speaker 3>I believe that's really connected to some of the Native

783
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.000
<v Speaker 3>American lore that happens out there. But there's, like I said,

784
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.039
<v Speaker 3>like that's Titanic guy. There's all kinds of people who

785
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.119
<v Speaker 3>go out there to do these strange rituals and connect

786
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 3>with something.

787
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Just that curiosity.

788
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>If ever, when was the last time that you tore

789
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:40.920
<v Speaker 2>through the Twin Peaks series?

790
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I had just started a couple of months ago,

791
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.840
<v Speaker 3>and then I had got busy doing something else and

792
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:50.599
<v Speaker 3>I fell off of it. I really need to get

793
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 3>back into it. I was like on the third episode again,

794
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.000
<v Speaker 3>but before that I couldn't talk. I could didn't remember

795
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 3>much about it.

796
00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.559
<v Speaker 2>So I watched it as a kid when it first

797
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 2>came out right and was sort of really taken with it,

798
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>though I couldn't quite understand why. And then I watched

799
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 2>it again a couple of years ago as an adult

800
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.679
<v Speaker 2>and having much more obviously esoteric knowledge than I had

801
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.199
<v Speaker 2>when I was like fourteen or whatever when it came out.

802
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.880
<v Speaker 2>But now I'm on like, either this is my third

803
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:18.920
<v Speaker 2>or fourth run through it, because I do a series

804
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:23.760
<v Speaker 2>with my girlfriend and with Hunter and Chris on Twin Peaks,

805
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're kind of attacking it from all the different

806
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>perspectives and the whole story that we just kind of

807
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 2>went through here about Skinwalker Ranch and what I told

808
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.280
<v Speaker 2>you about Chatsworth and then what you said, are these schedules.

809
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.880
<v Speaker 1>This is all stuff that's in Twin.

810
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Peaks, And I'm kind of approaching the series from the

811
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 2>perspective like I do a lot of things, and I'm

812
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.440
<v Speaker 2>not saying that this is necessarily true, but it helps

813
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.880
<v Speaker 2>me to have like a way of understanding things that

814
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Mark Frost and David Lynch wrote Twin Peaks about Chatsworth,

815
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 2>because actually there was a very similar case of two

816
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.840
<v Speaker 2>girls going missing and one turning up dead in Chatsworth

817
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:02.960
<v Speaker 2>in a very similar way as what happened in the

818
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:07.239
<v Speaker 2>series about a year or two before the series came out.

819
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of sort of similarities between Twin

820
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Peaks and Chatsworth. But what you were, you know, some

821
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>of these locations where there is whether it be something

822
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>from the types of trees or the types of rocks,

823
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:25.639
<v Speaker 2>or the bones of the Native American people that were

824
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 2>buried there before, and maybe there's some interesting minerality in

825
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.800
<v Speaker 2>their bones or something like that, that this seems to

826
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 2>be an area where you can open up a room

827
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.199
<v Speaker 2>or a portal, like you know, call it.

828
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.960
<v Speaker 1>The Black Lodge or whatever like like in Twin Peaks.

829
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>And only now do I feel like I have enough

830
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.679
<v Speaker 2>occult and esoteric knowledge that I'm really understanding the series.

831
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.639
<v Speaker 2>And I just finally on this round three, sort of

832
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.239
<v Speaker 2>really came to understand the mechanics of the Black Lodge, right,

833
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and the mechanics of the Black Lodge are best explained

834
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.039
<v Speaker 2>in that series by the Native American member of the

835
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Sheriff's department there, right, And it basically is like there's

836
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.159
<v Speaker 2>a black Lodge and there's a white lodge, right, And

837
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you can't get to the white Lodge without going through

838
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the black Lodge. So you can't just ascend without going

839
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 2>through the dark side. The black Lodge eats most people

840
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 2>up because you have to face your shadow, you have

841
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 2>to face your deepest fears. But if you, you know,

842
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 2>make it through there, then you can join this sort

843
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.280
<v Speaker 2>of spiritual brotherhood that is responsible for much of how

844
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 2>we experience reality, right, you know, but a lot of

845
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>people give in to the excesses of the.

846
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Dark of the dark Lodge. And where the black Lodge

847
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 1>is in the woods in Twin Peaks, there is a

848
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 1>puddle when at the time when it can open, there

849
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.519
<v Speaker 1>is a puddle of black stuff that is some really

850
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>weird substance that like smells like burnt mineral oil or

851
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. But that is present when this happens. Right.

852
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 2>So when you were talking about these black sigils, I

853
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 2>bet you that they're drawn in that substance that is

854
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.119
<v Speaker 2>present when the when the black lodged open in the

855
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 2>in the the woods, and so whatever that is, I

856
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's the black goo, I don't know,

857
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 2>if it's some kind of like pine tar that you know,

858
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is. But you know, like

859
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.800
<v Speaker 2>we're talking full on Twin Peaks here, and if you

860
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 2>really listen to what's being said by the the character

861
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.400
<v Speaker 2>in Twin Peaks Briggs, that is the air the kernel

862
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 2>in the Air Force. Right, that at a certain point

863
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the government realized that what they thought was like alien

864
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff is really interdimensional activity in the woods, and that

865
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Project blue Book is really about the transmission sort of

866
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 2>across dimensions from from all of this kind of stuff, right.

867
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.079
<v Speaker 2>And so my guess would be that like this is

868
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 2>there's areas like this all over the country and all

869
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.679
<v Speaker 2>over the world, right, and they always seem to be

870
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:07.239
<v Speaker 2>on sort of either these very sacred sort of grounds

871
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.800
<v Speaker 2>that you that have nothing going on there really like

872
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 2>in terms of industry, or industry has co opted those lands,

873
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>like I told you about rocke Din or Boeing, or

874
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.639
<v Speaker 2>often you'll get like a Department of Energy facility there,

875
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.440
<v Speaker 2>or a water treatment plant or some kind of you know,

876
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:31.079
<v Speaker 2>power transfer station or something like that there, and then

877
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, all sorts of anomalous stuff goes on, and

878
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 2>they scare most people away by either saying there's a

879
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 2>radiation leak there or or whatnot, but that really keeps

880
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.800
<v Speaker 2>them from coming close, and the only people who come

881
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 2>close are people who are not scared, right, And it

882
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:52.679
<v Speaker 2>just sort of thins that herd. But I recommend, based

883
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 2>on your experience with this documentary and what you've been

884
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.559
<v Speaker 2>learning from him, go check that out and you'll see

885
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.639
<v Speaker 2>like there's a situation that matches up with just about

886
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:03.320
<v Speaker 2>everything we've talked about here today. And that was back

887
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:09.360
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety yeah, and so you know that knowledge

888
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 2>has been there, and you know, but people can't. We

889
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 2>don't understand until we understand, and you don't even understand

890
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.320
<v Speaker 2>what you don't understand until you understand it.

891
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, Yeah, I definitely would love to go and

892
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.840
<v Speaker 3>do a deep dive back into that. I've been meaning

893
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:28.599
<v Speaker 3>to for a long time. And it's funny you mentioned

894
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 3>the black goo substance because I actually have an experience

895
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 3>that we'll get to later that involved this kind of

896
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 3>black gooish substance coming from inside me, which is pretty crazy.

897
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.679
<v Speaker 2>I've had a personal black woo experience as well, so

898
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 2>not that surprising. I've had it around me, but I've

899
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 2>also had it come from inside at a very specific

900
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:53.079
<v Speaker 2>time in my life.

901
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 1>So very interesting. All right.

902
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 2>What I want to do before we sort of move

903
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 2>on into the more sort of psychedelics mushroom based portion

904
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of the conversation is I do want to talk about

905
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:09.280
<v Speaker 2>the sleep paralysis aspect of you, both of your documentary

906
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>but also of your story, because this is another thing,

907
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 2>another commonality.

908
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:18.320
<v Speaker 1>That that you and I share, and so like.

909
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Sort of from a personal perspective for you, tell us

910
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.559
<v Speaker 2>about it, and then maybe a little bit about like

911
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 2>the different people you talk to about it in in

912
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:31.559
<v Speaker 2>your your your documentary and sort of what your your

913
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:35.239
<v Speaker 2>how your view however it is, has changed over time.

914
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're right on. I it was around the same

915
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 3>time period that I first started looking into esoteric topics.

916
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.199
<v Speaker 3>It was about a year before. Actually it was the

917
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:50.679
<v Speaker 3>last year of that bad marriage before we broke up,

918
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.639
<v Speaker 3>and I was probably in my lowest state. We were

919
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 3>arguing all the time. I couldn't get any peace. I

920
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.159
<v Speaker 3>wasn't sleeping at night, so I would try and sleep

921
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.880
<v Speaker 3>during the day I did have like an evening job

922
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:08.400
<v Speaker 3>or something at the time, and the experiences just started

923
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:11.159
<v Speaker 3>where I wouldn't be able to move, and you know,

924
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm just your typical sleep paralysis description. You'd wake up

925
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and a hit in the gegic state, can't move, but

926
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.159
<v Speaker 3>I just have this kind kind of feeling of dread

927
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 3>or despair along with it. Eventually, the shadow people start

928
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:27.519
<v Speaker 3>showing up and it's like I can look out of

929
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:29.480
<v Speaker 3>the corner of my eye, I can see the kitchen

930
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.599
<v Speaker 3>and it's like there's there's a shadow people party and

931
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.519
<v Speaker 3>there's you know, people walking around in there, up and

932
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.320
<v Speaker 3>down the hall. It's like they're peeping peeking into my room.

933
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:41.119
<v Speaker 3>Is so creepy. All I can see is their shadows,

934
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.320
<v Speaker 3>and I know one. There's no one in my no

935
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:47.639
<v Speaker 3>one in my apartment at the time, and those just escalated.

936
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Every time I try to go to sleep, it would

937
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.719
<v Speaker 3>just it would wake me up, or you know, I'd

938
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.440
<v Speaker 3>come to that point where I'd forced myself awake because

939
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.480
<v Speaker 3>it becomes so terrifying. The last few times it was

940
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 3>like so intense. It's felt like something was coming and

941
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.960
<v Speaker 3>banging through my ceiling and the shadow people just like

942
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.400
<v Speaker 3>running around my bed, coming in and out my room,

943
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:11.599
<v Speaker 3>banging noises on my ceiling, and I'd forced myself to

944
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:14.559
<v Speaker 3>wake up. Eventually, it just all went away when I

945
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.159
<v Speaker 3>kind of just got into a better state and got

946
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:21.320
<v Speaker 3>through the divorce, and you know, this thing's just stopped happening.

947
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 3>I had Vicky Joy Anderson because she has just an

948
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 3>interesting perspective on sleep paralysis. It is more of a

949
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.519
<v Speaker 3>Christian perspective, and I don't agree with everything, but I

950
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:35.119
<v Speaker 3>do find her studies very interesting because she interviews a

951
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:38.599
<v Speaker 3>lot of people who've had sleep paralysis experiences and she

952
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:42.599
<v Speaker 3>does a lot of comparisons, and according to her research,

953
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:47.239
<v Speaker 3>there's some interesting changes in people's sleep paralysis experiences as

954
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.880
<v Speaker 3>of lately where they're interacting with instead of your typical

955
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 3>succubists or Incubis beings or shadow beings that they seem

956
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:01.480
<v Speaker 3>to be more cyborg like, technological or aliens type of beings,

957
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:05.199
<v Speaker 3>which is I find very interesting. So yeah, we feature her.

958
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:09.440
<v Speaker 3>I also have Daniel Rekshan who has the dream Well Institute.

959
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.760
<v Speaker 3>He chimes in a little bit on sleep paralysis, but

960
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:17.840
<v Speaker 3>he mostly focuses on the shamanic dreaming aspect of everything

961
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 3>and how we can access information and dreams and entities

962
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 3>and intelligences and bring back this information. So yeah, that

963
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:32.880
<v Speaker 3>was basically my sleep paralysis experiences, and I basically took

964
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 3>away that I was because I was in such a

965
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:43.400
<v Speaker 3>dark state of mind that not necessarily was being attacked

966
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.159
<v Speaker 3>by demons, but my inner demons were manifesting at the time.

967
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:51.159
<v Speaker 3>They were showing up in a very powerful way. Because

968
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't looking at any of that stuff. I was

969
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:58.599
<v Speaker 3>burying all this darkness and muck deep inside and it

970
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:00.760
<v Speaker 3>was just coming out at that time. I believe it

971
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:05.599
<v Speaker 3>was manifesting like aggrigres into these shadow people. And I

972
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:09.880
<v Speaker 3>can't say that's everyone's experiences. That's just my understanding of

973
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.639
<v Speaker 3>the experience. And it's not to say these things didn't

974
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 3>have an intelligence of their own, because I believe that

975
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 3>aggrigors and the energy we can put out can take

976
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:23.519
<v Speaker 3>on an intelligence and life of its own, and it

977
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 3>can be like a separate being that we're interacting with.

978
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 3>It could have such powerful things. That's the power of

979
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:33.000
<v Speaker 3>our imagination. I believe we manifest this reality through our thoughts,

980
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:37.119
<v Speaker 3>our feelings, our emotions, our energy, and it's all part

981
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.880
<v Speaker 3>of our inner world. That comes out at times, and

982
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:45.800
<v Speaker 3>I believe it's also connected to It's like as above,

983
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:51.119
<v Speaker 3>so below we have these astral metaphysical lives that we're

984
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:54.960
<v Speaker 3>living on the other side that reflect the material lives,

985
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:59.519
<v Speaker 3>and it's like an ecosystem of intelligence is just beyond

986
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.320
<v Speaker 3>in that astral realm where we're also residing, if you

987
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:03.880
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean.

988
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's very The sleep paralysis from is

989
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.079
<v Speaker 2>definitely you said a lot of interesting stuff there, right,

990
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:15.599
<v Speaker 2>So the sleep paralysis is one of the most interesting

991
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:21.480
<v Speaker 2>phenomenons I think out there, right, But there is, as

992
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 2>there are with a lot of other sort of borderline experiences.

993
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.920
<v Speaker 2>It is so much about whatever the belief system or

994
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:33.559
<v Speaker 2>the angle of perception is of the person who's experiencing it, right,

995
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Like a Christian person is gonna, you know, see either

996
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:43.920
<v Speaker 2>demons or saints or angels, depending on what their perspective is, right,

997
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Like some Christianity for me, like assumes that everything that

998
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 2>we are not sure we know or in agreement with

999
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:57.679
<v Speaker 2>has to be bad. And that's my struggle with like

1000
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:02.639
<v Speaker 2>the Christian perspective on things. Then there's also you know,

1001
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.920
<v Speaker 2>a New Age scenario, which I think is a lot

1002
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 2>more religious in nature than than most people would admit

1003
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.679
<v Speaker 2>that like somehow everything is is.

1004
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Really for your benefit or or if.

1005
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:19.119
<v Speaker 2>You're experiencing darkness it's because you're not thinking positively or whatever.

1006
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Then you're right.

1007
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.800
<v Speaker 2>And then modern day like depending on you know what

1008
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:25.239
<v Speaker 2>media you avail.

1009
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Yourself to, what.

1010
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Just your your understanding of like technology and how it

1011
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:33.280
<v Speaker 2>affects our day to day life in society, I could

1012
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 2>very well see how the people who used to see

1013
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 2>demons or angels or whatever would now see cyborgs or

1014
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 2>or aliens or whatnot. Right, it's kind of like an

1015
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.760
<v Speaker 2>aesthetic shift that has happened in society.

1016
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1017
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.159
<v Speaker 2>For for me, For me, your experience is a little

1018
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.239
<v Speaker 2>bit closer to mine, and that like I wasn't I wouldn't.

1019
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.719
<v Speaker 2>It seems like if to what, to whatever extent I

1020
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:03.119
<v Speaker 2>had any interaction or any awareness of their being beings,

1021
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 2>they were seemed to be people, or even if they

1022
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:08.920
<v Speaker 2>were in shadow, they didn't seem to be monsters or

1023
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:13.320
<v Speaker 2>aliens or anything other than like we're like kind of

1024
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.880
<v Speaker 2>slightly creepy creepy people, only creepy because you didn't know

1025
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:18.559
<v Speaker 2>what they're doing before I tell you sort of what

1026
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:20.239
<v Speaker 2>my experience is with that, I do want to reflect

1027
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>one thing, like do you think it's possible that that

1028
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:29.599
<v Speaker 2>was layered and that this was like the first time

1029
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.679
<v Speaker 2>he tried to contact you, which is and now you

1030
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.400
<v Speaker 2>understand as your higher self or outside the time stream,

1031
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:39.480
<v Speaker 2>but you didn't have any You hadn't explored all these

1032
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.920
<v Speaker 2>ideas yet, so there were not so many ways to

1033
00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.599
<v Speaker 2>reach you other than to try to wake you up

1034
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:46.880
<v Speaker 2>out of your sort of dead sleep, like what we

1035
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:48.880
<v Speaker 2>try to do to our family when they don't believe

1036
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.000
<v Speaker 2>us about nine to eleven, or you just like bang

1037
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:54.199
<v Speaker 2>them over the head. You're like knocking and knocking, like

1038
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:57.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to get at tension, and then you know, like

1039
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.360
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was him then trying to say you need

1040
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.480
<v Speaker 2>to make a change in your life. But like over

1041
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:06.599
<v Speaker 2>time you made some changes and you opened up new

1042
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.519
<v Speaker 2>lines of possible communication and you got yourself into a

1043
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:13.599
<v Speaker 2>better state, and then you know it was like, Okay,

1044
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.119
<v Speaker 2>now I found it's easier to communicate and I don't

1045
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.280
<v Speaker 2>have to try and scare this person into changing. I

1046
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:21.239
<v Speaker 2>can just like tell them what's going on, right, because

1047
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:22.199
<v Speaker 2>it's possible.

1048
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 3>I look at it in two possible ways, Like I said, earlier,

1049
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.880
<v Speaker 3>could be a reflection of my own inner demons coming out.

1050
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 3>I'd never thought about that. It could have been layered.

1051
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:36.599
<v Speaker 3>It's something to consider. But the other consideration I have

1052
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.559
<v Speaker 3>is because I was vibrating at such a low state

1053
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:44.920
<v Speaker 3>and I may have been attracting parasitic type of entities.

1054
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.920
<v Speaker 3>These whatever these shadow people are these because they did

1055
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:51.920
<v Speaker 3>have this very malevolent, negative feel to them, nothing like

1056
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.800
<v Speaker 3>layered ever had, which was the exact opposite. But again,

1057
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.960
<v Speaker 3>it could have just been a way to shake me awake.

1058
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:00.599
<v Speaker 3>It could have been a way to who you know,

1059
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:03.360
<v Speaker 3>nothing else was working, so we'll scare the shit out

1060
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.559
<v Speaker 3>of you. Who knows? You know that. It's all all considerations.

1061
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 2>And also, if you were in a lower state, wouldn't

1062
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 2>yourself outside of time or even your higher stealth also

1063
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.920
<v Speaker 2>be at a layer or level right right.

1064
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.039
<v Speaker 1>So it's just one thing to think about. I think

1065
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 1>about some of this for myself.

1066
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.719
<v Speaker 2>With this as well with sleep paralysis, I've experienced it

1067
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:28.159
<v Speaker 2>my whole life, so from the time I was really

1068
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 2>little now when you're young.

1069
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.519
<v Speaker 1>I actually believe.

1070
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:33.360
<v Speaker 2>At this point that I experienced it in the womb,

1071
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.239
<v Speaker 2>and I experienced it as a baby. I did not

1072
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.280
<v Speaker 2>want to sleep at all. When I was a kid,

1073
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.519
<v Speaker 2>like my parents said, I was just up all night.

1074
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I never wanted to sleep. I mean as a baby,

1075
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 2>and then as a youngster, like I struggled to sleep.

1076
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I sometimes would be up all night in my bedroom,

1077
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.960
<v Speaker 1>reading books, doing things. I was terrified to go to sleep.

1078
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.719
<v Speaker 1>And a little kid doesn't have the language to say,

1079
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm experiencing sleep paralysis.

1080
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Something happens to me when I'm to fall asleep or

1081
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 2>when I'm just about to wake up, where I can't

1082
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:06.199
<v Speaker 2>move right and whatever, and so it would be normal

1083
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:11.119
<v Speaker 2>to just resist the condition that brings that about. And

1084
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.639
<v Speaker 2>then I'd say as like maybe when I got over

1085
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.639
<v Speaker 2>ten or whatever, I started to recognize it as sleep paralysis.

1086
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.639
<v Speaker 2>But he didn't really talk about it to anyone until

1087
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I was maybe a later teenager or early in my twenties,

1088
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:25.239
<v Speaker 2>and then I told my when I started to have

1089
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:28.639
<v Speaker 2>I started to have more of it, and it was

1090
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.840
<v Speaker 2>became like a little scarier during a period of time

1091
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 2>when I first started experimenting with drugs, and like not psychedelics,

1092
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:39.320
<v Speaker 2>like drugs, drugs, that's what it became super duper intense,

1093
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 2>and so I became very focused on it. For me often,

1094
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:51.719
<v Speaker 2>very very seldom has the experience included the perception of

1095
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:55.079
<v Speaker 2>a being early on, like some of the first memories

1096
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:56.679
<v Speaker 2>I have when I was kind of conscious of it.

1097
01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:59.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like I said, post ten, I would feel like

1098
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:02.199
<v Speaker 2>there was someone leaning over my bed right that I

1099
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:05.039
<v Speaker 2>couldn't quite see, but I sensed it was there. And

1100
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.679
<v Speaker 2>then other times than that, I've heard like walking down

1101
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:11.320
<v Speaker 2>the hallway or like maybe like a little knock at

1102
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the door or something like that.

1103
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:15.880
<v Speaker 1>But I've never seen like a ton.

1104
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Of beings or like that that just being bombarded by it,

1105
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:24.239
<v Speaker 2>like what you said, And for for my whole adult life,

1106
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:26.519
<v Speaker 2>it's always been worse when I've been in.

1107
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Like on drug.

1108
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.079
<v Speaker 2>I was a drug addict on and off from twenty

1109
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:32.840
<v Speaker 2>five to forty, and then I've been cleaned for ten years.

1110
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:35.039
<v Speaker 1>I still do psychedelics, I drink alcohol.

1111
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I had a problem with with meth and the first

1112
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:42.280
<v Speaker 2>drug go round in my early twenties whatever was with cocaine, right,

1113
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.920
<v Speaker 2>And during those times of like using the amphetamine substances,

1114
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:48.719
<v Speaker 2>it was always more frequent and more intense. And when

1115
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I say more frequent, I mean like sometimes all night long,

1116
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I'd be fighting off paralysis. I'd like pull myself out

1117
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:56.639
<v Speaker 2>of it, and then I'd fall back asleep because I

1118
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:57.880
<v Speaker 2>was so tired from the fight out of it, and

1119
01:02:57.920 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 2>it just happened again, and you know, I was like

1120
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.719
<v Speaker 2>in battle, but it felt mostly physical. It didn't necessarily

1121
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:08.599
<v Speaker 2>feel like someone was necessarily there. Recently, a couple of

1122
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:12.480
<v Speaker 2>years ago, I had one more interesting. I mean, I

1123
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.119
<v Speaker 2>still have it occasionally, but it's just physical and I'll

1124
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.280
<v Speaker 2>do the like try and move my pinky and then

1125
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.239
<v Speaker 2>once I can move my hand, then I'm able to

1126
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.599
<v Speaker 2>pull myself out of it. But my mom died a

1127
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:24.599
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, and my mom is the other

1128
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.920
<v Speaker 2>person in my family who experiences it, and she died,

1129
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, from complications from dementia and Alzheimer's, and.

1130
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I thank you. I mean, she was pretty difficult.

1131
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.039
<v Speaker 2>My mom was never really a happy person, and it

1132
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:41.440
<v Speaker 2>was very difficult that last period of time. Although when

1133
01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.760
<v Speaker 2>she was in that dementia state and sometimes she seemed

1134
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 2>happier than she was like in her regular life. But

1135
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:50.039
<v Speaker 2>she is the other person in my family who had

1136
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.360
<v Speaker 2>that sleep paralysis, and as I've learned more about her,

1137
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I recognize like was probably also like whatever is going

1138
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:03.199
<v Speaker 2>on from me in regards to associations, to projects and

1139
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:07.039
<v Speaker 2>mk lture kind of stuff really comes through through her

1140
01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:10.360
<v Speaker 2>and that there's a connection between these things and that

1141
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.679
<v Speaker 2>on some level, you know. So I had been out

1142
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:16.360
<v Speaker 2>here visiting with her in the hospital in the hospice

1143
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:17.880
<v Speaker 2>for a week before she died, and then about a

1144
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:19.679
<v Speaker 2>week or two after I went back to Austin, she

1145
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:21.320
<v Speaker 2>passed in the middle of the night.

1146
01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:27.239
<v Speaker 1>And I was the night that she passed. I was asleep.

1147
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I was having a dream about sleep paralysis. I don't recall.

1148
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:36.559
<v Speaker 2>If I was actually paralyzed or if I was just

1149
01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:41.800
<v Speaker 2>dreaming about being paralyzed. Right, And I'm having this dream

1150
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 2>and some like some I hear voices, like just female voices,

1151
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:52.199
<v Speaker 2>not like like people talking, and I couldn't tell if

1152
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:53.559
<v Speaker 2>it was my mom or who it was, but I

1153
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:55.360
<v Speaker 2>hear a female voice say.

1154
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, we call that old hag. Right.

1155
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.840
<v Speaker 2>And as soon as I as I heard that we

1156
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.360
<v Speaker 2>call this old Hag, my phone rang and it was

1157
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.360
<v Speaker 2>my sister telling me my mom had just died.

1158
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:10.679
<v Speaker 1>And when I right, And.

1159
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.320
<v Speaker 2>So I got on a show like later that week

1160
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.440
<v Speaker 2>with Nish. I do a series with Nish, and we

1161
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.840
<v Speaker 2>had one other person with us, and I started telling

1162
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.679
<v Speaker 2>them that, and they're like, oh, that's actually that's the

1163
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:25.800
<v Speaker 2>like occult or spiritual phenomenon name for the experience of

1164
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:27.400
<v Speaker 2>sleep paralysis.

1165
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.840
<v Speaker 1>They call it old Hag, which I had no idea about.

1166
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.440
<v Speaker 2>And we got into some research on crones and all

1167
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.639
<v Speaker 2>of this kind of stuff, and that was like the

1168
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:38.559
<v Speaker 2>last really like significant. I mean, I still have it

1169
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:42.679
<v Speaker 2>physically that the sleep paralysis occasionally, not very often anymore.

1170
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:48.400
<v Speaker 2>So there is something it seems to be a like

1171
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:50.840
<v Speaker 2>like we were talking about how being in the water

1172
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:55.199
<v Speaker 2>or the frequency adjustment from the UFO or or the

1173
01:05:55.199 --> 01:06:01.199
<v Speaker 2>psychedelics makes like some sort of interface to communicate across

1174
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:04.360
<v Speaker 2>or some sort of like frequency band that you can

1175
01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.639
<v Speaker 2>use it to sort of communicate some level of information

1176
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:13.320
<v Speaker 2>or experience in an extraordinary state. That's I mean, that's

1177
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the best like I can come to as to like

1178
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:22.400
<v Speaker 2>it what it is. And it also feels to me like,

1179
01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:25.559
<v Speaker 2>are you ever familiar at all with like the Gateway.

1180
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Experience, Gateway experience, what do you mean, Yeah.

1181
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Robert Monroe, h Gateway experience. Like I've traced a lot

1182
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:37.519
<v Speaker 2>of my experiences and and whatever I might have been

1183
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:42.280
<v Speaker 2>involved with to that largely other stuff too, But that's

1184
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:44.960
<v Speaker 2>something that I didn't realize until a certain point, and

1185
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:46.719
<v Speaker 2>then once I went looking there, I'm like, oh, yeah,

1186
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:49.159
<v Speaker 2>this explains this, this, this and this and whatever it is.

1187
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:55.360
<v Speaker 2>But the technique for rolling out of your body there

1188
01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:00.199
<v Speaker 2>really looked like when I thought about the figure that

1189
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I saw standing over my body, it was in that

1190
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.599
<v Speaker 2>same spot and in the same way, it explained how

1191
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:08.639
<v Speaker 2>to get out of your body.

1192
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1193
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 2>So, I think sleep paralysis for the astral traveler or

1194
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:18.400
<v Speaker 2>for the interdimensional explorer or whatever it is, is one

1195
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:23.639
<v Speaker 2>sort of pathway, not the only one right out. And

1196
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:27.039
<v Speaker 2>if you're some way like outside of I don't know

1197
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.440
<v Speaker 2>what the traumatic experience that you're mentioning from childhood was,

1198
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.960
<v Speaker 2>no need to talk about it or whatever. But if

1199
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:38.199
<v Speaker 2>it's possible that you were outside of your front awareness

1200
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:42.199
<v Speaker 2>pre loaded with the gateway experience as a kid, which

1201
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I know that I was, that this could have been

1202
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.320
<v Speaker 2>also something that may have been going on.

1203
01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:53.119
<v Speaker 1>In terms of the mechanics and the metaphysics of it.

1204
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:58.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I would agree that in that hit and

1205
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:03.159
<v Speaker 3>the gegic state where you're paralyzed and there's this weird vibration,

1206
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:06.559
<v Speaker 3>it seems to be a precursor to the out of

1207
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.920
<v Speaker 3>body experience from everything that I've heard, and I've had

1208
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.320
<v Speaker 3>guests that are regularly able to induce those states which

1209
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:17.079
<v Speaker 3>I have never been able to. I've tried a few times,

1210
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:20.479
<v Speaker 3>never been able to. I've even been able to get

1211
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:25.279
<v Speaker 3>into almost a vibratory paralyzed state, but it would make

1212
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.720
<v Speaker 3>me too nervous and I would just jump out of it.

1213
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.439
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I'm ready for any of that yet,

1214
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:34.119
<v Speaker 3>But according to some of the folks that I've talked

1215
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:38.600
<v Speaker 3>to about their astral travels, they have to get through

1216
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:42.279
<v Speaker 3>a layer of denser, darker beings before they can get

1217
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:47.279
<v Speaker 3>positive black lives, white lives. So these shadow beings often

1218
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:50.000
<v Speaker 3>are there waiting for them, and they're just there to

1219
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.000
<v Speaker 3>try and deter them, and they're just either parts of

1220
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:57.800
<v Speaker 3>their consciousness or they're these astral beings that not necessarily

1221
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:01.960
<v Speaker 3>are malevolent or benevolent, but they appear based on where

1222
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:04.640
<v Speaker 3>what our perception is at the time, and a lot

1223
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:07.199
<v Speaker 3>of people who have the astral travel experience can just

1224
01:09:07.239 --> 01:09:10.640
<v Speaker 3>completely bypass the dark, negative entities and they shoot to

1225
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:13.239
<v Speaker 3>the higher realms and they don't even have to worry

1226
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.000
<v Speaker 3>about those things because they're like in a such a

1227
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:20.119
<v Speaker 3>high vibratory state. So I find that very interesting that

1228
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:24.479
<v Speaker 3>there are layers to these astral realms to get through,

1229
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.039
<v Speaker 3>and I think that could be what we're experiencing there.

1230
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I sometimes refer to characters or beings like this as

1231
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.000
<v Speaker 1>boundary guards. Right.

1232
01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Think about this though for a second, right, like, what

1233
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:44.159
<v Speaker 2>if the times when we experience sleep paralysis, and I've

1234
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.720
<v Speaker 2>experienced it both directions I've experienced on the way out,

1235
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:48.680
<v Speaker 2>like when you're trying to fall asleep or when you're

1236
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:52.800
<v Speaker 2>waking up, is that maybe some of us are actually

1237
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:58.600
<v Speaker 2>gifted trastral travelers. And most of the time it's smooth

1238
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.199
<v Speaker 2>out of the body and smooth into the b body

1239
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.600
<v Speaker 2>so we don't notice. And the times we have sleep

1240
01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:05.960
<v Speaker 2>paralysis is just when the alignment things like kind of

1241
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:08.680
<v Speaker 2>like having a rough landing on an airplane or a

1242
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.680
<v Speaker 2>bumpy takeoff that when you're coming back in, you just

1243
01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:14.239
<v Speaker 2>whether you know you try it was too fast, or

1244
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.279
<v Speaker 2>you're in a slightly more agitated state because of the

1245
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.880
<v Speaker 2>condition of your body or your psyche or whatever, it

1246
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:23.640
<v Speaker 2>makes everything more difficult. And when I think back to

1247
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:29.000
<v Speaker 2>like childhood, right, like if you're Even if the experiences

1248
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:34.119
<v Speaker 2>in the astral ranged from sort of ambivalent to beneficial,

1249
01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:36.119
<v Speaker 2>it's still something like, what is this.

1250
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand what this is?

1251
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:40.840
<v Speaker 2>And it might create panic around when you know that's

1252
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:44.680
<v Speaker 2>happening or whatever it is, and so paralysis or then

1253
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:48.000
<v Speaker 2>fear of sleeping or whatnot is a thing. And you'll

1254
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:50.359
<v Speaker 2>hear people talk about, oh, if you just relax when

1255
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:53.119
<v Speaker 2>you're paralyzed, you're about to have the most incredible loose.

1256
01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:55.520
<v Speaker 1>And dream ever. Like it's really hard to be like, I'm.

1257
01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:59.840
<v Speaker 4>Paralyzed and I'm just lack real But conversely, like, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>it really is that the other nights when it's not happening,

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<v Speaker 4>it's we just had smooth sailing off to do to

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<v Speaker 4>do our work right, and that this is just I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I was a gymnast and when everything goes well, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But when something's a little off, it's scary.

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<v Speaker 2>And this may be something akin to you know, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of multi you know, interdimensional multiverse gymnastics kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So yeah, but it is interesting to hear everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>different perceptions about what it means.

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<v Speaker 3>And I whenever I look back at my psychedelic experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>They would be so profound and so unreal and so dreamlike,

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<v Speaker 3>but it would be when I was in the experience,

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<v Speaker 3>it was real, as this reality is more real than

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<v Speaker 3>this reality. I was there, I was experiencing, I'm communicating

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<v Speaker 3>with this, I'm doing whatever I'm doing. But when I

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<v Speaker 3>come back, it's like it just fades away, that realness

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<v Speaker 3>fades away, and it's just, oh, that was just like

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<v Speaker 3>that was just a vision that I had. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really real, but there was something real about it. And

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<v Speaker 3>I can remember certain dreams that feel the exact same way.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in it. It's so real, I'm there, the information

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<v Speaker 3>is coming through, but when I come back, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that was just I can't, you know, grasp onto that

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<v Speaker 3>element that it was very real at the time. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that and I also have a problem remembering

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<v Speaker 3>my dreams. I do smoke marijuana, so that's probably has

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<v Speaker 3>a lot to do with not being able to remember

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<v Speaker 3>some of my dreams. Although every once in a while

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<v Speaker 3>I'll get this profound memory of one or I'll have

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<v Speaker 3>this really vivid dream, but not as often as I

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<v Speaker 3>used to. And after my psychedelic experiences, I'm able to

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<v Speaker 3>hold the connection with my higher self and get information

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<v Speaker 3>whenever it comes through. And that always happens before I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to sleep. Whenever I'm lying there ready for sleep, layer,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll come along higher self and just start giving information.

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<v Speaker 3>I no longer use the mushrooms, the psychedelics. It's been

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<v Speaker 3>quite a few months. I will go back if called to,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's only for very you know, if, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>if it just calls to me. And it hasn't for

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<v Speaker 3>a while, so I haven't really gone back and visited

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<v Speaker 3>those realms. But I spent the better part of three

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<v Speaker 3>and a half years, every single month digging into my

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<v Speaker 3>psilocybin garden and taking about four to seven gram doses

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<v Speaker 3>once a month and going extremely deep into into the

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<v Speaker 3>psyche and doing some major work there. So that is

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<v Speaker 3>what really changed everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, hope you enjoyed the first part of my

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<v Speaker 1>recent chat with Chris Matthew from Forbidden Knowledge News. If

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to hear the rest of the more than two.

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<v Speaker 2>recommend you go check out Forbidden Knowledge News, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as Chris's excellent new documentary The Doors of Perception. All right, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see you on the other side. Thanks a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye,