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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that has seen Sebastian Fondura

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defend his unified Junior Middleweight championships with an impressive TKO.

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We're ready to recap that PDC on prime card from Vegas.

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We're ready to give you some on George Cambosa's winning

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in Australia as he now sets up for a possible

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title shot at one hundred and forty pounds. We're in

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the recap mode there. It's good to be back here

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on the Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast. I'm merely the

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the great info with Dan Rayfield. Good to be with you,

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my friend again. We're gonna get to the fights. We're

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gonna get to the news. I wish it was better

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circumstance that we were coming in here off the weekend

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than what we're gonna have to talk about here coming up,

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But nonetheless, welcome aboard.

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Speaker 2: Here's we come off the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of a slowist weekend for the action,

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but we've got plenty to discuss. Ye're alluding to the

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untimely passing of the great George Foreman. We have the

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interview that you did not mention with the featherweight contender

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Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington, who is in action coming up this

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Saturday night on the top rank card and a very

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important fight for his career, a WBC final eliminator in

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the featherweight division. So you'll hear from him, and I

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know I'm doing your job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: And Shoeshoe, by the way, he's got a couple of

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things going for me. You can fight, and he's also

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a great talker. You'll hear from him with Dan in

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a few minutes, we'll get to the recaps. By the way,

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for content that's there, as well as being on board

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with Dan substack and newsletter. So the news broke on

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Friday night, as it turns out that George Foreman had

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passed away at age seventy six. I was shocked sitting

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watching all the college basketball I lean on you. Did

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we have any insight that he had been ill? I

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guess they kept it private if.

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Speaker 2: He had been ill.

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Speaker 1: I know you wrote the lengthy and always do a

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tremendous job obituary. In your sub stack, I read that

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sad is the way I will describe it. Iconic figure

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the last fifty years of boxing as the former two

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time heavyweight champ. All right, so let's kick it off

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and let's wax nostalgic as we should about George Foreman

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at the top of the pot.

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Speaker 3: Well. As far as your first question about whether it

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was known to anybody, the answer is no. I mean,

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it hadn't been publicly disseminated. I spoke to people that

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have been close to George for years that I wrote,

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you know some things from their memories in my obituary,

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including Jim Lampley, who had become a close friend of George's,

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no inkling that he had been ill. Bill Kaplan, the

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Hall of Fame publicist who's been like family to George

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Foreman for the better part of sixty years, knew George

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from when George was like eighteen seventeen years old and

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has been close to the family for decades, no inkling

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that he was ill. But that happens, and it's said,

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and you know, the point is that Muhammad Ali, his legacy,

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his shadow, if you will, is over everybody in the

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history of boxing in many respects, particularly the heavyweights of

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that great era, his great rivals George Foreman and Joe Fraser.

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men like Fraser and Foreman carved out their own legacies

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that did things that were not necessarily related to Mahamed Ali.

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George Foreman, he fought Mhamed Ali one time and lost.

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there's so much more. You can argue that that loss

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of the heavyweight championship to Muhammad Ali in the Rumble

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in the Jungle, that was, in my opinion, and I

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think the opinion of many, the singular most not the

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most important, but the singular biggest fight in the history

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of boxing for a lot of different reasons. I think

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a lot of people may go back and look, after

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reading and hearing about George's passing, and go back and

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won the Oscar Award for documentary which chronicles that amazing event.

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You know, I told you talking to Bill Kaplan. It

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wrote about George. And I had heard these stories from Bill,

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who I'm very close to and have been for twenty

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five years. Bill was Inzire with George and spent you know,

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two months there with him and has told me plenty

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of stories about their time. But anyway, that was only

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one part of what George did. There's so many more

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things to George Foreman's legacy from the way he came up,

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you know. Basically it's the ultimate American story. Petty street, criminal, bully, college,

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high school dropout, joins the job Corps, finds boxing. Winds

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up a couple of years later in the Olympics, not

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only in the Olympics, but standing on top of the

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podium with an Olympic gold medal. In Glasco City in

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nineteen sixty eight, turns professional big Puncher wins the heavyweight

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championship in one of the most devastating performer it says ever,

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when he knocked out Joe Fraser in the second round,

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back to the rest of the career. George Morman wins

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the heavyweight championship two times, and the two times that

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he won the title were both by devastating knockout, and

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both times they were called by legendary broadcasters, Hall of

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Fame broadcasters who, in my opinion, uttered the single most

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iconic call of their entire awesome careers in the fight.

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Speaker 2: In which George Foreman heavyweight chick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's Fraser getting knocked out and co Sell

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down goes Fraser, And of course everybody knows Michael Moore

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getting knocked out by George Foreman regained the heavyweight title

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in nineteen ninety four, and it's of course the legendary

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call from Jim Lampley. It happened, It happened. So but

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back to the whole overall career of George. He wins

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the title, and he is a dominating, scary, massive puncher,

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one of the great punchers in the history of boxing,

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and he's knocking everybody out. And when he comes up

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against Muhammad Ali in a title defense in Zaire, in

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the Rumble in the Jungle, he's a big favorite. Ali

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Joe Fraser, even though he's gone on a nice winning street.

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is a guy that that Joe Fraser defeated in their

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great first fight, and now he's coming up against a

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guy in George Foreman, who annihilated Joe Fraser in two

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rounds to win the title. And keep in mind, after that,

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George had gone on and absolutely annihilated Kenny Norton in

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two rounds also to retain the title. And Kenny Norton

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was a guy that had given Ali trouble and had

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beaten him in their in one of their three meetings.

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two years old. Back in those days, being a heavyweight

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thirty two years old, you might as well be in

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the retirement home.

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Speaker 2: You were an old man.

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regular basis who were at the top of the at

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the top of the division. And they go and they

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have an iconic fight, and it's the rope of dope

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and mom and Ali sits on the ropes and lets

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George punch himself out and ultimately stops him by knockout

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in the eighth round and regains the heavyweight title. And

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the type of guy George was, who was you know,

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everybody I know that knows now everybody has their demons,

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and you know, he was accused of spousal abuse and

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some things like that along the way, And I don't

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have evidence of that specifically, but the people I know

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that we're in contact with George, and even my own

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personal interaction to George, friendly, nice, humble, you know, willing

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to help, you know, give you, give you, give you

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a pat on the back. Lift you up, got a

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guy that brings you down. That was this type of

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personality as a you know, infectious type personality, wanted to

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to everybody know, let you know, be happy, type of guy.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that he was able to accomplish the

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things that he did, uh, it's a remarkable career.

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Speaker 1: So so let's go to the second act. So he

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loses to Ali. He basically is disillusion the right word

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comes kind of becomes disillusioned after that, never regained the

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title in the seventies or even a portion of the

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title and then.

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Speaker 2: Goes away from boxing for a long time.

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Ali fight. He had several more fights before he retired

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for the ten years to fight after Ali. This remember

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he fights Ali in October of seventy four, that's the

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rumble in the Jungle. Three months later January of seventy

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or no, I take that back a year and three

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months later he comes like takes a year off after Ali,

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but he comes back in the in the fight in

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the Caesar's Palace in nineteen seventy six January of seventy six,

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one of the greatest fights in the history of boxing.

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It wasn't a title fight, but that was the slugfest,

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the absolute mayhem, tumultuous battle with ron Lyle where they're

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both down twice. It's yeah, massive, you know, punishment you've

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Speaker 2: Make caveman stuff.

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Speaker 1: Go back and watch Foreman and Lyle banging and beating

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Speaker 3: I thought Cosell, who was doing the fight for ABC,

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was gonna have a fucking aneurysm during that fight. I mean,

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that's the kind of fight that was so Then after

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one or two times more after that, but that was,

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you know, another knockout. He fought a few more times. Now.

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He goes down to Puerto Rico March of seventy seven

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against the Qutie slicker Jimmy Young, gets knocked down, loses

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a twelve round decision, and George has told the story

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in the dress room after the fight. You know, it

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feels like he's dying, has a revelation that he sees

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and speaks to God, who tells him you need to

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change your life. He retires at age twenty eight. He

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goes home to Houston and he becomes an ordained minister

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and spent the next decade, you know, as a preacher

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in his local church. And it got to a point

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ten years later where he's not you know, he's not

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an old man, you know in terms of society, but

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he's an old man in boxing parlance. But the church

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needs money, he needs money, and sides to launch a comeback,

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and I remember this, and I was in high school

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when this was going on. This is nineteen eighty seven.

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He makes the comeback and it got a lot of

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news coverage and it was sort of a big deal

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that the former heavyweight CHAMPI George Forman is coming out

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of this decade long retirement. But most people felt it

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was a complete joke on a.

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Speaker 1: Farm well, because honestly, it was a complete joke. We

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talked about this before for about a year or two.

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He's fighting absolute nobody's just for whatever paycheck he could get.

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Speaker 3: Getting himself in some type of condition. He's going through

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the process. He is making a few dollars. He was

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a regular. For example, he was on USA Tuesday night

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fights on a regular basis. They would do good ratings

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when he would be on. Brad Jacobs, who was the

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chief operating officer of Top Rank back in those days,

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was running the USA Network broadcasts, and I've talked a

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Brad about this. I mean, they did a great job

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of mixing the younger guys and the contenders in an

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occasional title fight, but they also would have their big

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nights on ratings terms when they would bring back legendary name,

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so they put on a George Foreman fight during the comeback.

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Duran and Camacho at Holmes and those type of nostalgia acts.

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a while. He fought twenty five fights of the comeback

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in a short period of time until he got the

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title shot against Evander Holyfield. And we have talked about

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Speaker 3: Wow, twenty fifth fight of the comeback was the holy

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: It was a few fights before that, three four fights

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before that. The fight we have talked about, the one

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that sort of made people think, okay, maybe he has

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a chance to actually be a legit contender again, was

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when he knocked out Jerry Cooney, who was a faded

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fire but it was a spectacular knockout. He fought about

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four more times after that, then he got the fight

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with holy Field. Now, when he fought Holyfield, this was

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a mega mega event. This was the the the incarnation

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of modern pay per view. It was the debut event

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of TVKO, which became HBO pay per view. It was

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a massive, like several months long build up to the fight,

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the Battle of the Ages. That was a play on

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the fact that there was a fourteen age a fourteen

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year age gap between Evander who was undisputed, who had

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you know, had knocked out.

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Speaker 1: By And by the way, we should mention because you

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and I always do the nostalgia thing. In this timeframe,

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bronze medal, the bronze medal, He's been in the Olympics,

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which is on Network TV. He's now been on Network

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TV repeatedly on wide world of sports and big time fights,

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and he's now a known enough commodity where again.

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Speaker 3: Well you also forgot he became the undisputed Cruiserwaight.

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Speaker 1: Here's the way, Jeb Right and people people have to understand.

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it's more prominent than the NFL at that time. I'm

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saying that the super Bowl was a big deal, but

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the heavyweight title fights, everything would stop for that front

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page of everything. So I vividly remember being in in Memphis,

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Tennessee that fight week, and that build up was tremendous

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because it was in and around the time that Mike

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and the pieces of the heavyweight title being in different

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directions meant everything.

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Speaker 3: But Vander was undisputed at the time. Yes, and he.

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Speaker 2: Gives he had beaten Buster Douglas to take.

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Speaker 3: The forming the chance. They put on a massive event,

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and the people involved with that fight, especially those at HBO,

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which were the folks that ran TVKO, thought they had

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found the way to just print money because they didn't

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know what to expect and the fight. Remember this was

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at a time there might have been around ten million

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addressable homes for pay per view at the time it

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did one point four million buys.

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Speaker 4: It made.

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Speaker 3: It was and it stayed for many years. It was

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the biggest non head. It was the it was. It

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was one of the biggest pay per views ever for

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a long time. Even after it did, there were other

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big fights on pay per view. It's still one of

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the you know, you know, maybe at this point there

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might be in the history of pay per view there

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might be uh maybe fifteen fights or so that are

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over a million buys or two, you know, twenty events

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over a million buys. That's still one of them did

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a huge number. And even though George lost, in many ways,

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it was kind of like what happened and Rocky won.

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Rocky loses the title fight against Apollo, but he gains

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in momentum and popularity and notoriety because he went the

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distance and he put up a great fight. Blah blah blah.

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That's what George did. George had no right being even

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in the fight against Vander Holyfield. Yeah, he lost at this.

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Speaker 2: It's a very competitive fight.

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Speaker 1: It was landing on holy Field and holy Field's blasted

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him back and George.

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Speaker 3: Is taking her super interesting.

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Speaker 1: I still share with you again. I'm in Memphis, Tennessee,

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and these times they would still do this. They had

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it the ticketed event in the big ballroom of the

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Cook Convention Center downtown Memphis, and there were easily a

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couple of thousand people in that assive ballroom to watch

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on the big screens that night. So I bought a

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ticket which Rayfield for the Rayfield collection. I don't have

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my ticket, uh from that night. Of buying a closed ticket.

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Speaker 3: As a collector, close circuit tickets is hard cool close.

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Speaker 1: I got you, but just to equate this the pay

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per view box. I remember this was not even really

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available on the Memphis cable system where I was living.

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That's hard for people to fathom get the box to

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get the pay per view wasn't available everywhere, which is

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your point about how much better an audience it did.

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Speaker 3: For that Holy film, you had to physically go from

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your house to your cable office, get a box, bring

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it home, plug it in, hook it up, and then

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order the pay per view.

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Speaker 2: That's imagine people.

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Speaker 1: They would charge you if you're keeping the box, even

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if you didn't buy pay per view.

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Speaker 3: In a society where you can sit on in a

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society now where you can sit in a fucking toilet

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and watch a pay per view on your phone, it's

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a hard far cross.

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Speaker 2: I don't need too much information on you sitting on

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the toilet.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying you could. I didn't say I do that,

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but that back then you had a drive and then

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when the when the event was over, as you mentioned,

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I had to unplug it and wrap it up and bring

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it back the way.

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Speaker 2: They would charge you, right, They would charge you for

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keeping the right. So one man, one more story.

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Speaker 1: About that, just to tell you what kind of guy

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George was, and and the marketing part and what it

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would lead to and and what he became because he

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was a surly anti media, anti people guy back in

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the seventies and did a total one to eighty into

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the opposite. So I read this account on Saturday as

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we as we tape this Sunday into Monday, a prominent

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Atlanta's sportscaster named Jeff Hullinger nationwide, you probably aren't going.

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Speaker 2: To know that name.

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Speaker 1: Hullinger has been in Atlanta media for forty plus years.

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Speaker 2: He's now retired out of the media.

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Speaker 1: He was a prominent weeknight sportscaster when this was a

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much bigger deal in Atlanta. He told the story he

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posted on his Facebook page that they had done a

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massive amount of coverage of the former holy Field fight

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building up to it because evanders from Atlanta. And so

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they went up to Atlantic City to cover fight week.

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And they get up to Atlantic City and he had

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met George Foreman before, He had gotten George Foreman's phone

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number before from the promotion of the fight in Atlanta

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and elsewhere, and he said, we get in a bind.

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We're trying to do a live shot on the Atlantic

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City boardwalk on Atlanta a local news and suddenly our guest,

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he didn't relate who it was, can't be there. He goes,

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I have the idea about forty five minutes before this

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live shot, let me try George Foreman. This is the

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former heavyweight champion of the world who in a couple

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of days is about to fight Evander Holyfield in Atlantic City,

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and he sends a message somehow to George's hotel room.

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Speaker 2: He either calls the room or he calls his cell phone.

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Speaker 1: Cell phones were primitive back in this time period, and

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Georgia right, George calls him back, either on a payphone

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or whatever the number is. George Foreman calls Jeff Hollinger

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back as he relates the story and says.

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Speaker 2: What do you need and when do you need it?

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Speaker 1: And Jeff says, can you get down here to wherever

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he is on the boardwalk, I'd love to interview you

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live on the Atlanta sports cast to promote the fight,

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and George Foreman does it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, he'ves his room and goes and does

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the live shot.

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Speaker 3: I have heard from my ringside colleagues who were older

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than me that covered that event who would talk about

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I mean, you just mentioned now in the first incarnation

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of George's career, sullen, stoic, scowling.

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Speaker 2: And anti media didn't want to do it, didn't want

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to do it.

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Speaker 3: When I talked to Bill Kaplan, the publicist I mentioned

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that was close with George for almost sixty years, told

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me that George really wasn't like that, that he was

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a very nice guy, but that he learned that whole

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scowl thing from Sonny Liston, who he watched coming up,

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and that was sort of listens the way he handled himself.

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But when George came back and he kind of had

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its more mature as a human being, understood the element

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of promotion and why it was important to do that,

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because you're selling yourself and your event. That he became

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the everyman, you know, the hamburger eating, smiling, get.

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Speaker 2: To the second can you imagine?

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Speaker 3: Let me finish. Yeah, And then the reporters would tell

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me that that's sort of what you said about Hollinger.

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George would walk into the press room before his fights

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at that time, whether it was Holyfield or other fights

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he had that were significant. Tommy Morrison, et cetera. What

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do you need guys, tell me what you need and

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you would signed with them. And you know what, it's

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a good fucking lesson because there was a lot of fighters.

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I'm not going to name names right now, but there's

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plenty of guys that are supposed stars that could take

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a lesson from George on what promotion is all about.

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Speaker 2: That's right to help your own cause. But what a story.

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And as you related, so many of these stories.

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Speaker 1: So he had that holy Field fight, so he we

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eventually come to him fighting Tommy Morrison. As you mentioned,

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we eventually come to him fighting Michael Moore.

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Speaker 3: After he fought Holyfield. He won three fights, but he

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was getting touched up a bit in those fights and

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maybe not looking as good as he had earlier in

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the In the comeback, he fights to Tommy Morrise and

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fight that was where the WBO vacant heavyweight title in

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nineteen ninety three. At the time, the WBO heavyweight title

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was not significant to ninety nine percent of the world,

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but they still build it as a heavyweight title fight.

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Tommy Morrison beat him on a decision in that fight.

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It was not even all that close. Tommy, who was

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a big brawler and puncher, actually out box George that night,

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and most people thought at that point, this is June

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of ninety three, George's peers over. It's you know, he's

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had a great run in the comeback. He fought for

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the heavyweight title, fought for this at the time fringe title,

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and it's going to be the end of the career.

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He was not done. He wanted to continue. Seventeen months later,

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he had spent a lot of time personally. Remember he's

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working at HBO as a broadcaster along with Larry Merchant

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and Jim Lemby formed that Great World Championship Boxing announced team.

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He's lobbying seth Abraham, the Hall of Famer, longtime president

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of HBO Sports, give me the shot against More and

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Moore had beaten holy Field for the title. He's fighting

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on HBO. Give me the shot, Give me the shot.

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It basically wore him down, and the hierarchy at HBO,

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said Abraham, Lou Debella, Mark Taffett finally to jump basically

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shut George the fuck up. They greenlit the fight, and

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you know, at the end of the day, they knew

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that George is going to bring ratings also, and then

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that is a business and they want the eye of

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you know, Michael was a good young champion, undefeated, but

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not he was like George was earlier in this sirst,

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stoic and not really media friendly, et cetera. George would

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talk to anybody. And they made the match. And George

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was forty five years old, and George was a guy

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who was an underdog, and Michael is the young champ

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who was a south pop built good powers, beating Holyfield

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and you know he's Sky's the limit. They go in

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the fight. He loses every single round, George for him

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and basically every minute of every second of every round.

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And as the story has been recounted a thousand times,

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and Lampley's told the story, told it to me again

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when I talked to him the other night when I

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was writing George's obituary. George and Jim had become close

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and for the months leading up to the fight, George

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is telling Lampley, I'm gonna knock him out. You watch,

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how are you gonna do it? George? He's fast, he's

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a south By, he's got good power. You know you're

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not fast. He's you know, he's got just beat Holyfield,

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who beats you, et cetera. And he's like, and George

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is consistent.

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Speaker 2: Jim.

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Speaker 3: You watch sometime late in the fight, He's gonna come

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stand in front of me and let me knock him out.

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And as Jim makes the point, and you can watch

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the video, what happened late in the fight, round number ten,

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Now keep in mind, Teddy Alas, who is Michael's trainer,

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is telling him in the corner. You can hear the

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video on the video, don't stand in front of him.

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He's looking to set you up. Don't He's Teddy's begging

476
00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:44,839
him to move and not stand in front of this man.

477
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,039
But Michael Moore went and it exactly what George Foreman

478
00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,319
had told Jim Lambley was gonna do. Michael went and

479
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,240
stood in front of George Foreman and let him knock

480
00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:56,640
him out. George landed a nice hard jab that shook

481
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,279
Michael up. He came behind it with a right hand

482
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,880
that traveled for inches, probably hit him right on the

483
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,319
tip of the chin. And as Gil Clancy, who was

484
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,079
filling in that night for George Truman on the commentary,

485
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,759
when you hit on the chin, it's good night, and

486
00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:11,759
that's exactly what happened. And of course he's out. The

487
00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,319
blood is welling up behind his lips. Lampley gives the

488
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,119
legendary call it happened, It happened. George sees what's going on.

489
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,200
He kneels in the neutral corner to pray to God.

490
00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:24,839
He's surrounded by his people. Roy Foreman, his brother who

491
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,480
I have been friendly with for years. Bob Aram, who

492
00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:29,720
was this promoter, comes in and you know, Bob was

493
00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:31,240
not a guy, by the way, if you watched top

494
00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:33,880
rank fights, Bob Aram was not a guy that was

495
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,599
typically you saw a lot of in the ring. Wasn't

496
00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:39,480
a big celebrator. He was doing his business promoting the fight.

497
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,960
But on that night that meant so much to Bob,

498
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,359
who was very close incredible got in the ring and

499
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,480
kneeled down with him. Yeah, and they were hugging it out.

500
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,480
I mean, it is one of the greatest moments in

501
00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:50,799
boxing history, the way that he knocked him out. And look,

502
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,200
I know, and let me just say, want to think

503
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,279
about it, go ahead. This is the most amazing thing

504
00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:56,839
to me. And this still fucking blows my mind. When

505
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,759
George beat Moore, it was twenty years almost to the

506
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,240
day that he had lost the title to Ali in

507
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,480
the Zayre fight. Yeah, he was wearing the same trunks

508
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,799
in the ring against Michael when he knocked him out

509
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,039
as he wore when he lost the title to Eli.

510
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:16,000
And it was George's way and Larry Merchant asked him

511
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,920
about this in the post fight interview. I actually watched

512
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,880
it back this morning that that was essentially George's way

513
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,119
of exercising the demons of Zayre. He's heavyweight champ of

514
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,440
the world again. He's wearing the same trunks to night

515
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,200
that he lost it. He's come full circle. He's forty five.

516
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,400
He's the oldest champion to ever win a world title

517
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,519
in boxing, heavyweight or otherwise, a record later broken twice

518
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,319
by the great Bernard Hopkins. But at that moment, you know,

519
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,559
Foreman has regained the heavyweight title and he's wearing the

520
00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:44,079
same trunks from twenty years amazing, and he's the man again.

521
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: And look, I know we've gone on for a while,

522
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,279
but this is deserved. This is one of the iconic fighters,

523
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:52,799
George Foreman, that has passed away that we're talking about

524
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:54,400
of the last fifty.

525
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: Years of the sport. Ever of worldwide known. We I mean,

526
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,079
we can't.

527
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: We can go on for an the fifteen minutes, but

528
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,000
we don't have it because we've got to get onto

529
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,960
the recapping of the fights, and we've got Bruce Shueshu

530
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:07,240
Charrington in a few moments. But then he readvanced himself

531
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,880
from a personality standpoint, not only as a broadcaster, but

532
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:10,920
with the Foreman grill.

533
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: And you and I have talked about that, the.

534
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,599
Speaker 1: Millions and millions and millions of those grills that they

535
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,559
sold in the nineties and into the two thousands. That

536
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,519
made him a multi millionaire. But he became a pitch

537
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:25,880
man for all kinds of products after the Foreman grill.

538
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,759
It was incredible.

539
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: He was selling hamburgers and I mean the Miniqi muffler commercial, yes,

540
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,640
but you know, and other things also, but the grill.

541
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Keep this in mind he had obviously when he came

542
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,559
back and regained the heavyweight title, he had several big

543
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:43,240
time you know, seven figure persones was making great money

544
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,920
as a boxer, more than he made in the earlier

545
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,640
days when he was you know, heavyweight champion in the seventies. Obviously,

546
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,279
given the landscape of the economics of the sport in

547
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:54,039
any event, though, with the grill, not only is he

548
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,920
making money per unit that is sold off the grill,

549
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,400
he eventually, you know, vis A become not only a

550
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,599
great fighter, but he's a businessman, he's a philanthropist. Yeah,

551
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,160
he sells the rights to the grill for one hundred

552
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,880
and thirty seven point five million dollars. I'm I'm one

553
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,440
hundred and thirty seven point five million. So he gets

554
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,200
that money. He's so he's made that gargantuan score, and

555
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,680
he was making money on the grills that were being sold.

556
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:24,920
The girl sold. You know, I don't think they have

557
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,240
the exact total anyway, but I was looking up by

558
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,680
the million, one hundred million grills worldwide.

559
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:34,519
Speaker 1: Yes, it's amazing what that was. Again, the younger people

560
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:37,839
don't know what we're talking about. This became like revolutionary

561
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:38,920
on an electric grill.

562
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 2: Plug it up. You don't need charcoal, you don't need

563
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,519
the smoke. Everywhere we see. It was the empire, it.

564
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,559
Speaker 3: Was the it was the George Foreman Lean mean grilling machine.

565
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:52,920
The infomercials ran constantly on television, and every college kid

566
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,400
had one, Yes, every bachelor had one. Every family had one.

567
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,839
I mean I actually would say if you, I mean

568
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,279
people our age anyway, if you ask, I guarantee you

569
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,319
not only will the people have the grill, but many

570
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,759
people like our family, have more than one, different sizes,

571
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,680
different shapes. You make the grilled cheese, you make the chicken.

572
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,039
I mean, it was amazing. And he made hundreds of

573
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:15,640
millions of dollars on the grill.

574
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: And again philanthropically gave back, gave back to his community

575
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:25,000
in Houston, charitable stuff. What a loss here, iconic boxing

576
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,359
figure for sure, and you want to share that you

577
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,960
went and dug out a piece of memorabilia.

578
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: And you put this on social media.

579
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: Listen. I didn't know George that well, but I knew

580
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,240
him enough, you know, over the years, because he was

581
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:39,640
doing HBO fights as the commentator, and I was covering

582
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,559
many of those fights. And I was also very close

583
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,400
to Bill Kaplan, who was one of George's closest friends,

584
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:46,839
and so I had met him several times at the fights.

585
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,240
I have one great memory of being at an HBO

586
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,920
fight in Atlantic City where he was doing the broadcast

587
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,119
for but I was also doing a pee. There was

588
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,079
a big tribute gala that was going to take place

589
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,480
in South Florida, the honor his trainer, Angelo Dundee, who

590
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:04,599
he had hired to be a trainer in his second

591
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,640
act after having been on the opposite side when Ali

592
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,039
knocked him out, He's like, I want that guy in

593
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,680
my corner.

594
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: You know.

595
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: It was yelling and Ali uh about about what was

596
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,839
going on in hour fight. So he brought him in

597
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,680
and it was Angelo that helped lead him to uh,

598
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,559
you know, those those heavyweight title fights in his second career. Anyway,

599
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,200
they were doing this tribute gallop for Angelo, and they

600
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,839
did a beautiful program for the event, and in the

601
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,400
program they had people, uh you know, the three most

602
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,240
famous fighters that Angelo worked with was Ali, Sugar, Ray

603
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:37,240
Leonard and George Foreman. And each of them they had

604
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,960
somebody talk to them and ghost write a piece for

605
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:42,200
the program about what Angelo had meant to them in

606
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,799
their career. So I was asked if I would do

607
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,880
the piece with George on his thoughts and his things

608
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,400
about Angelo Dundee. So I met with him. They had

609
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,119
done an HBO. They would do their their their fighter meetings,

610
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,640
I guess on Friday, you know, either or after or

611
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,119
before the weigh in, and when that was over in

612
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,039
Atlanta seat. There's Atlantic City where they had done these meetings.

613
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,440
I met with George, just the two of us. He

614
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:06,079
went to a conference room, you know, a couple of

615
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,359
doors down from where he's doing the HBO meetings. We

616
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,200
sat in this conference He was could not have been

617
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,359
more of a cool guy, very pleasant, very nice, very accommodating.

618
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,880
I sat with George Trumman, just the two of us,

619
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,720
had to be forty five minutes, maybe an hour. We

620
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:21,799
went over everything that he could think of or talk

621
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:25,039
about related to Angelo Dundee. I took what he told

622
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:27,519
me I had recorded it. I actually might still have

623
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,519
that audio casset somewhere, believe it or not. And from that,

624
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,279
from that conversation, I then ghost wrote the piece in

625
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:39,119
George's words, in his voice, what Angela Dundee meant cool.

626
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,319
And you know, years later when he went, you know,

627
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:43,599
George authored a couple of different books. One of the

628
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:46,359
books he put out, you know, he gave to me

629
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:48,279
and and I put a picture of it on my

630
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,000
social media. It's an awesome and it's a beautiful, big autograph.

631
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,240
But the part of that I like the best was

632
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,160
it was something like you know, Danny Boy was which

633
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,519
is what he called me, because that's what Bill Kaplan

634
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,839
calls me, called me. Danny Boy. Signed it Danny Boy,

635
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,920
your pal George Foreman, and I put the picture up.

636
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,759
So when I saw that he had passed, I went

637
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,279
and I have my bookshelf in my in the sitting

638
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:10,880
area of our bedroom, and I have a bookshelf with

639
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,599
a whole shitload of boxing books on there, and I

640
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,759
pulled that out to take the picture of it. So

641
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:16,559
George meant a lot to a lot of people. And

642
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:18,400
I've talked to many people over the last couple of

643
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:22,640
days in the business who knew him well and are very,

644
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,160
very saddened by what happened. He you know, he he's

645
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,440
a beloved figure. Maybe not on the level of an Ali,

646
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,640
but you know, within the boxing community, it ain't that

647
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,160
far off.

648
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,319
Speaker 1: Again, we gave that it's just due as it should

649
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,440
have been for the Hall of Famer, the two time

650
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,079
heavyweight champ and had the record for the longest time

651
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:45,519
of the oldest champion ever recapturing the heavyweight title back

652
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:46,640
in nineteen ninety four.

653
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: So I read imagined by the Western Piece George Foreman.

654
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: Two heavyweight championship brains literally twenty years apart.

655
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: That's incredible. But just like Jim Lampley called it, Dan Rayphiel,

656
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,240
it happened. It happened. This stuff really happened. Go back

657
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:05,440
and look it up. And we can't overemphasize how big

658
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,200
a deal. He had a TV show too, right, they

659
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,480
did a George TV show.

660
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,799
Speaker 3: It was called George.

661
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,279
Speaker 1: It was a surprise. He literally has four or five

662
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:16,599
sons named George. He named them all George.

663
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: So hold on here, here's the thing about the show.

664
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,000
On the show, how about this, he played a retired

665
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,440
boxer helping youth. Sounds familiar, right, Yes, he kind of

666
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:25,960
knew that time.

667
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,079
Speaker 1: And I think a couple of his Georges were on

668
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,079
the show with him. His sons so.

669
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:32,119
Speaker 3: Well, I know I know a couple I know some

670
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,400
of his sons from because they've been around boxing also.

671
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,759
But George, who was married five times, but his widow

672
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,240
currently they were married since nineteen eighty five. They weren't

673
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,880
together obviously for many, many years. He is the father

674
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,039
of twelve children. I'm not sure how many different moms are,

675
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:51,039
but twelve different he had. Eleven of them are still alive.

676
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,400
One of them his daughter Frieda, who coincidentally actually had

677
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,599
six boxing matches back, you know, in the UH in

678
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,200
the late nineties, early two thousands. She passed way in

679
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,400
twenty nineteen. But he named all of his sons George Junior,

680
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,880
George the third, George the fourth, George the fifth, and

681
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,359
George the sixth all named George. And as a matter

682
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:13,400
of fact, when I told you that his daughter Frieda,

683
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,759
her middle name was George, he had one of his

684
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,759
other daughters is Georgietta, So he liked the word George

685
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,400
named George. Yeah, there's a lot of sim and kin

686
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,079
out there.

687
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: Again, great stuff and well worth it.

688
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:29,839
Speaker 1: Now we get to the recap portion of the pod

689
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,960
and Sebastian Fondorra's TKO win in Las Vegas on the

690
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,000
PBC on prime card, successfully retaining the WBCWBO title.

691
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: I can't say that I was shocked.

692
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I expected this, I predicted on the bet Us Boxing Show.

693
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,640
I thought he would get to him before the ninth

694
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,759
or the tenth round. And he did get to Cordelle

695
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:54,319
Booker fairly quickly, brutally with the left upper cut especially.

696
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: Smashed his smashed his face, knocked him down.

697
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: Booker was stumbling all over the place, staggering from punches,

698
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,359
staggered after a shot, went down, got up, got wiped

699
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,720
out in the fourth round. All right, So your thoughts

700
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,119
on this made event fight and how good fun Dora

701
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,640
looked As we get into the recap, Moune.

702
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: Listen, he'd been out of the ring for a year

703
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,039
since the blood bath against Tim Zoo, so it was

704
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,960
fifty one weeks later. He comes back in the ring,

705
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,119
look good, looks strong. I thought he looked pretty sharp.

706
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,559
You know, he's never gonna be a guy that's gonna

707
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,359
wow you with the technical things because he's a little

708
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,160
still a little gangly. Because of the size difference of

709
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,599
him and his opponent, he's six foot six roughly Cordel

710
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,160
Booker was five foot nine, you know, so that the

711
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,599
the gap in the size is stark, and that's a

712
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,680
complicated situation for the opponent obviously, but it also makes

713
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,960
it sometimes tough for Fundor Also because you're constantly punching down,

714
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,519
it's hard to get in close because your arms are

715
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,680
so long. The guy doesn't want to get you know,

716
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,119
he wants to the opponent wants to try to get

717
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,920
as close as possible, but not too close anyway. Booker

718
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,599
had a hard time. He Booker is a pretty decent boxer,

719
00:33:57,839 --> 00:33:59,799
and he you know, he did use some movement and

720
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,319
it was hard for Fundor to sort of cut off

721
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,799
the ring. But eventually you keep throwing those clean shots,

722
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,840
those those power jabs, and like you said, the uppercuts,

723
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,880
at some point you're gonna get him. If you can't

724
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,280
blunt the offense of Fondora, you pretty much have no shot.

725
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,400
Even when he lost the fight against Mendoza, he didn't

726
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,360
have a problem landing punch as he ultimately just got

727
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,800
caught with a shot, which happens, and that put him out.

728
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,559
But Booker number one doesn't have that kind of power anyway.

729
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:26,400
Even if he caught Fundor, I don't think would have

730
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,599
been able to do significant damage. And Booker was just

731
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,320
very reticent to get in there. He had no way

732
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,000
to get inside, and when he did he caught the

733
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,480
end of some solid shots. He gave a good effort.

734
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,960
I mean, I don't Booker was a respectful guy, hard

735
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,159
to root against the guy, but he was sort of

736
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,400
out of his depths, it felt like. But Fondora did

737
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,960
the job. I mean, like you said, the upper cut,

738
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,440
the two left uppercuts that that put him down in

739
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,840
round four were pretty devastating. There was a stoppage was good.

740
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,119
He had him on the ropes and he was just

741
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,119
about the tee off landed a couple of shots and

742
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,679
the referee, Thomas Taylor, who I think we can acknowledge

743
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,320
at this point is probably the number one referee in boxing,

744
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,159
did the right thing and stopped the fight. You know,

745
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,440
Cordell Booker will live to fight another day. His only

746
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,480
other loss was a knockout. With that came that middleweight

747
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,199
in the first round, but that was against Amma Williams.

748
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,000
He just got clipped against a bigger guy, but bigger

749
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,000
guy weight wise, I mean not bigger guy heightwise, but Fondora. Look,

750
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,159
this was like I'm audi the ring a year. Let

751
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,719
me get my legs back under me, let me get

752
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,719
in there. They had waited a long time to try

753
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,440
to get the aerospence, but it didn't happen. It was like,

754
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,440
you can't just leave the guy not in the ring.

755
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,599
So he took care of this business. I'm sure we'll

756
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,159
see him back in the ring in the second part

757
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,440
of the year. And you know what, because the weight

758
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,360
class at one hundred and fifty four is so deep

759
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,199
and most of the top guys are affiliated with PBC

760
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,360
as well, it should not be hard for him to

761
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,760
get a top opponent. He could fight the winner of

762
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,599
Zue Thurman if it happens. Obviously, a Zoo rematch will

763
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,440
be highly attractive. Baker Marteziliev, who was the IBF champion.

764
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,000
That's a fight that he wants because he wants a unification.

765
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,679
Martazalev is with Main Events, but they've been working with

766
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,760
PBC now. He also has the possibility of trying to

767
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,960
redo the you know, to really get the Arrow Spence

768
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,280
fight going, if that's something they can finally close up.

769
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,719
If Arrow's gonna be ready to get back in the

770
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,199
ring after all of his time off. But the thing

771
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,239
is he's also going to be due to make the

772
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,079
next mandatory, which is of the WBO. While it hasn't

773
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,639
officially been ordered, the WBO said they were the president

774
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,960
of the WBO is going to recommend to their committee,

775
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,280
which means it probably will be adopted that they make

776
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,400
the number one contender, which is xandersyas the mandatory and

777
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,360
Xander's eyes was at the fight. Him and Fundora posed

778
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,000
for pictures afterwards. There's a pretty decent chance that that's

779
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,760
going to be the next fight. I'd like to see

780
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Fendora get in three fights this year. He just fought

781
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,159
now here, you know, in the early part of the

782
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,480
year in March, and if he fights the fight with Xander,

783
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,039
the WBO has said it's got to be within a

784
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:50,360
one hundred and twenty days of the title defense against Bookers,

785
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,880
so that would take him, you know, into the summer.

786
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,800
I guess there'd be no reason why I couldn't do

787
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,280
that fight, and it's healthy have another fight in the fall.

788
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,599
That would be ideal to have three fights for a guy.

789
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: Activity if we can get there.

790
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: And there's certainly a pathway for him, as you mentioned

791
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,119
with PBC.

792
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: So it could be it could Bebiased next and then

793
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:12,119
then a big one. It could be maybe a unification

794
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,119
with Martazleev, perhaps the Zoo or Thurman. It could be

795
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,440
like I said, it could be uh uh you know

796
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,360
them the reputting together of a fight with Ero Spence,

797
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,119
so he's not gonna lack for for quality opposition and

798
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,679
uh and also by the way, uh Young we'll talk

799
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,079
about this fight a minute, but on the undercard, Jesus Ramos,

800
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,559
who's a good contender. He won his fight, and he's

801
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,199
been looking for a match against Fundor. He's highly ranked

802
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,679
in the organizations as well, and that would be a

803
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,679
good fight on top of that. So, uh, Fondora, like

804
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,559
I said, look pretty damn good for a year out

805
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,079
of the ring. Always fun to watch. Throws a lot

806
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,119
of punches and uh, you know, did the job on

807
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:48,360
court up book or a big time.

808
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,559
Speaker 2: All right, so you mentioned Jesus Ramos. He did win.

809
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,480
I don't know how much resistance from the opponent. I've

810
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,000
seen a couple of the highlights. I have to confess.

811
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,079
Speaker 1: With all the college basketball going on, sorry, I did

812
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,880
not stay intently on this fight. But Ramos gets his

813
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,559
t KO win and he's in the picture, which is

814
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,239
what you just said, potentially at one fifty four here

815
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,519
maybe in another fighter too, we'll sing no, right.

816
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: He fought.

817
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 3: He fought a Argentine fighter who by definition, in my mind,

818
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:17,079
are always tough guys, and and his opponent, Guido Emmanuel Schrom,

819
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,360
showed an immense amount of toughness, no question about it.

820
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,519
He was a fighter that took this fight on about

821
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:26,480
two three weeks. Notice when the original opponent, Kevin Salgado Withdrew,

822
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,159
so he was behind the eight ball, so to speak,

823
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,559
by taking it on late notice, and he got had

824
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:34,920
gotten knocked out in his previous fight, he got knocked

825
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440
out in this fight. Look, he gave a very game

826
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,559
effort in many ways, not the same style of boxer

827
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:44,480
as as Cordell Booker, but he gave that type of

828
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:48,559
big heart effort where he took everything that that that

829
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:51,000
Ramos had to offer. And you know, he was even

830
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,440
mad about the stoppage. I mean, I thought it was

831
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,719
a perfectly fine stoppage in round number seven by Mark Nelson,

832
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,880
another very equality championship level referee. So it was just

833
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,920
lost in a row, including the Vladimir Hernandez by knockout also.

834
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,840
But Ramos, look, he did what he was supposed to do.

835
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,960
He said, he puts some pressure on himself because he

836
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,559
had said all along, I got to get this guy

837
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:11,039
out of here, and he did the job. He got

838
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:12,920
the guy out of there. And so Ramos, you know,

839
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,119
I think he's got a little bit of a chip

840
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:15,880
on his shoulder because he's now won three fights in

841
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,480
a row by knockout to fight before that in the

842
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:21,000
end of twenty twenty three that he lost that was

843
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:23,519
a decision to Eric sNaN Lubin. And I was at

844
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:27,280
that fight, and myself and many many many people, whether

845
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,440
you were there or you're watching on TV, they thought

846
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,800
that Eric s n Lubin got a gift that night

847
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,000
that Ramos kind of got got ripped off in that fight.

848
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,599
So to me, Ramos, the stock is the same where

849
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,159
it's been. He's a good quality contender. He should get

850
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,039
some type of opportunity for a title fight. He's now

851
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,519
twenty three and one with nineteen knockouts, only twenty four

852
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,400
years old, fun style, good engaging personality, and really can

853
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,400
fight his ass off. So that's another guy that's definitely

854
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,559
in the mix in terms of a challenge potentially, you know,

855
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,880
as in an in house PBC challenge to Fandora.

856
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: And by the way, they moved this card along the

857
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,800
other fight that was on the PBC on Prime card,

858
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,880
which you were disgusted by. And I saw everybody all

859
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,239
over social media saying that Elijah Garcia split decision win

860
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,440
in the middleweight fight with Terrell Gachet. That happened, and

861
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,719
then they got the next two fights in the ring quickly.

862
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,679
We had a main event in the ring before even

863
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,599
ten pm, which we love.

864
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: Everything was over like a ten to fifteen Eastern time.

865
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,880
It's like unheard of.

866
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: A three fight card where you know in the granted

867
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,519
there was knockouts, but still to get it in and

868
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:34,000
I refer to it as a crisp the two hours.

869
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 2: Two hours, all right?

870
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,679
Speaker 1: But about this Elijah Garcia and geshat In once again

871
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,760
indictment on judging.

872
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 3: I got a couple of things to say about this.

873
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,079
Number One, Zachary Young discussed me he was the judge

874
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:48,159
who has a history of shitty scorecards, and this was

875
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:51,000
one of the shittier scorecards to score that fight. Ninety

876
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:55,000
six to ninety three is just an absurdity. If you

877
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:57,119
asked me, I just don't. I don't see how that

878
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,079
is possible. I mean Garcia, who you know, has been

879
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,880
a superb prospect over time. To me, he's getting worse,

880
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:08,480
to be quite honest. His last fight in June, he

881
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,679
lost a decision to Kyron Davis, who was a heavy

882
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,119
underdog but a veteran, you know, decent guy who came

883
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:17,320
with a purpose and came with a plan. Had Stephen

884
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,960
Breadman Edwards, an excellent trainer in this corner, had him

885
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:21,719
said all the right things. They had a great plan

886
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,840
and they executed that plan and he got the win.

887
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,239
And Elijah Garcia was trying to bounce back from his

888
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,480
first defeat in that fight. Now, keep in mind, Elijah

889
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,519
Garci's only twenty one years old, so it's not like

890
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:34,119
this man has a career that's going nowhere. But I

891
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,639
thought he looked very average in the Cayron Davis fight,

892
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,800
and I thought he looked extremely average here in this

893
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,159
fight against Terrell. Now, if you've ever listened to our

894
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,039
podcast before or seen whatever in I'm no big fan

895
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,719
of torell fighting style, never had it. He's been in

896
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,880
some of the worst fucking fights I've ever seen. You know,

897
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:52,119
I think I should send him a bill for the

898
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:53,800
hour of my life. I'll never get back for that

899
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,400
fucking fight against Aristoni Laura that he's stunk it out

900
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,440
in that Lara spunk it out.

901
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: Anyway, this is not about that. This is not about this.

902
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: Is about not fucking a guy that should get the victory.

903
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,679
Terrel Gaschet is thirty seven years old. He's fought all

904
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,880
the tough guys. You know, no one's ever done this

905
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,719
guy a fucking favor in his career. And you know,

906
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,599
some of the loss are well deserved. Okay, he lost

907
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,440
to Tim Zoo, that was legit. He scored a knockdout

908
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,679
against Zoo, but he didn't win the fight, and the

909
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,679
same can be said against Carlos Damas. Carlos Damas pretty

910
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,800
much dominated him. That was his last fight in June.

911
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,400
But that doesn't mean when a veteran guy who gives

912
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,000
a great effort and trains his her end off and

913
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:27,960
is they're trying to make a career and a life

914
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,239
for himself should get absolutely fucking robbed because you come

915
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,079
up against a twenty one year old house fighter who's

916
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:36,800
the one with the future that the fans gravitate to,

917
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:41,360
who is a Hispanic background that could possibly become a

918
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,559
commodity and a ticket seller. He didn't fucking win. And

919
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:46,320
on top of this, this is what makes it worse.

920
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:51,519
Terrell Gachet scored a clean knockdown against Garcia in the

921
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:53,360
first round, kind of the same way he did against

922
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,000
Tim Zoo back when they fought in twenty twenty two.

923
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,960
So right there, now, I know what knockdown doesn't make

924
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,199
a fight. We've seen fights guys get down, you know,

925
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,360
get knocked down. Three times and don't win, but at

926
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,320
the very least you're off to a damn good start.

927
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,960
And you cannot fucking tell me that if you go

928
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:12,039
through and watch the next nine rounds of the fight,

929
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,519
that Terrell Grouchet did not win most of them, and

930
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:20,000
for Zachary Young to score six rounds for Elijah Garcia

931
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,599
is just a fucking joke. It you know, it hides

932
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,960
the Migliori scorecard of ninety of uh excuse me, of

933
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,239
ninety five to ninety four. That was actually Don Trella,

934
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,599
who I have ample respect for. I've known Don for

935
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:32,920
a while.

936
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: He's said questionable cards too.

937
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 3: I just did not like that card. That that look

938
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:41,760
when you have intelligent boxing people who've watched the fight,

939
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,840
who don't have a dog in the race, who couldn't

940
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,960
give a fuck if Terrell get wins or if Elijah

941
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,400
Garcia wins, who just call it like they see it,

942
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,480
and they all say that is just preposterous. The announcers,

943
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,639
you know, to their credit, they called it out. Brian

944
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:59,800
Campbell and Mara Ronalo and Abner Mars, Abner Marris, who

945
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,719
had maybe the line of the night. They're talking about

946
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,960
the scoring when the fight's over and Abner. He's like, look,

947
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,800
Elijah Garcia is a friend of mine. He's a friend

948
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,760
of mine. He didn't win the fucking fight. He didn't

949
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:17,320
win the fight. So what are we doing? TJ Reeves?

950
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,519
What are we doing here?

951
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:19,559
Speaker 2: Yes? Tee it up?

952
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,559
Speaker 3: Anyway, To his credit, he was a sportsman. He didn't

953
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:26,400
bitch and moan about it. I know he's got to

954
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,039
be gutted for the loss. He deserved the better fate.

955
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:33,079
And to me, even though Elijah gets the official win,

956
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:35,039
you know, it doesn't make him a bad guy. He's

957
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:36,440
not the one score in the fight. But to me,

958
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,079
Elijah garcias stock his way down because he thought he

959
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:43,400
performed inadequately in this fight. He did not look good

960
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,320
in the Cairo and Davis fight. And these are the

961
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,760
stepping stone type of middling contenders that you're supposed to

962
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,280
beat if you're going to the promised Land of alf

963
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,079
And from what I have seen in two fights in

964
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,719
a row when he stepped up in class, he is

965
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,119
not going to the promised Land based on those performances.

966
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,519
Speaker 2: I love it. By the way.

967
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: A shout out to our colleague Ricky Carroll, who runs

968
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,480
the Big Fight Weekend website that we're associated with here.

969
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: Ricky is based in Europe.

970
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: Ricky has always wanted to cover Dan Rayfield a world

971
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,320
title fight in Las Vegas. He finally was able to

972
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,960
make that happen. A lifelong boxing fans dream can I

973
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,440
go see?

974
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: Can I go? Cover a world title fight? And he

975
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:22,440
was there.

976
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: Shout out to the PBC people. They took care of

977
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,480
him with the credential. The whole bit, Ricky is having

978
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:32,360
a travel nightmare on Sunday with flight delays trying.

979
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: To get back. He has to get back to Europe

980
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,800
eventually New York and then Europe. So Ricky does do

981
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,880
a good job with he does, he doesn't.

982
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,679
Speaker 3: I don't understand. Yeah, if you're gonna come all that

983
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,639
way to clever a world championship event in Las Vegas,

984
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,320
and I'm not.

985
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: Not gonna know.

986
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:48,679
Speaker 1: I would think in that one because this is when

987
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,280
it could work on his schedule because of his nine

988
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,239
to five job and the other stuff that he's doing.

989
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,000
So he came all the way from Europe to be

990
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:59,960
there for this, and again the fight card moved a law.

991
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,000
We got the fun Dora main event. The whole bit,

992
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:04,719
he said the in arena experience at the michelob Ultra

993
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,280
Arena was tremendous. So shout out to Ricky and writing

994
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,199
all the stuff for this weekend's fight card. All right,

995
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,280
So one more fight card to go over real quick,

996
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,840
one more main event to go over before we get

997
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,400
to Bruce Shues Shue Carrington. I promise that's coming straight ahead.

998
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,320
George Cambosis did win by decision in the match room

999
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:26,559
de own main event Junior well toweight battle late late

1000
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,960
replacement opponent in Jake Wiley. This was Saturday morning in

1001
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,440
the US, Saturday night in Australia. Cambosis dan cut early

1002
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,039
in the fight, bleeding. We've seen him cut and bleeding

1003
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:42,079
in other fights. Fought through it. Wiley was game hung

1004
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,320
in It was not an exciting, thrilling fight. Cambosis gets

1005
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,679
the win. But I know one thing, you and I

1006
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,679
were exchanging messages, etc. Maybe he took a step back

1007
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,440
even in victory here with this, with the fact that

1008
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,880
it was a late replacement opponent. So a follow up

1009
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,599
thought on this because Cambosas is apparently still going to

1010
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,159
get a tight shot right coming up.

1011
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, he took this fight Wiley on

1012
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,920
like whatever A few four or five days notice when.

1013
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,679
Speaker 2: I think it was Tuesday, whatever it was.

1014
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 3: He took the fight on short notice. Now Jordan had

1015
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,400
had to withdraw from it for a medical reason. Uh

1016
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,480
so the young Australian which we talked about beforehand. I

1017
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,000
thought it was hilarious that here you have Jake Wiley.

1018
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,039
He has purchased tickets to go to the fight and

1019
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:23,440
then he winds up in the main event.

1020
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:26,599
Speaker 1: Okay, so look, as I said on the bet Us show,

1021
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,840
do we've had verification they gave him a refund?

1022
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: I would hope they would give him a refund. I'm

1023
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,360
now the main event fighter. Mate.

1024
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:36,559
Speaker 3: Wiley did not have any particular credentials, had a nice record,

1025
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,639
but got knocked down in his one loss. Had thought,

1026
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,119
you know, a whole bunch of nobody's and kem boss

1027
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:43,119
in my mind is is a is a nice guy,

1028
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,239
the great talker, and you know he's got the hunger.

1029
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,880
But you know he's he's on his last legs. I

1030
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,679
think in the terms of being at the top of

1031
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,760
the sport, he's moved up to out to one hundred

1032
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,960
and forty. He had lost three or four two wipeouts

1033
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,880
against Devin Haney and decisions stopped by the silly Lomachenko

1034
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,960
a vacant IBF title. The one in air quotes win

1035
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:06,960
was against you know, it was a fight where he

1036
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,280
came to America and he fought a fight where I

1037
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,440
didn't think that was right, got a bad call from

1038
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:15,320
the point of view of many people. He ended up

1039
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,400
Cambosa's winning a majority decision. So you know, he'd seen

1040
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,639
better days than his last couple of years in his career.

1041
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:24,199
So even okay, fine, he wins the fight against wild

1042
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,119
and that was not controversially he did get the win.

1043
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:28,760
He did, you know, deal with the cut, but you know,

1044
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,199
I don't think he looked anything spectacular. But here's the

1045
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,239
thing that galls me. The guy's got one irrelevant victory

1046
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,039
at one hundred and forty pounds against an opponent that

1047
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,440
was completely obscure, not a big name at all or

1048
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,880
even a reputable guy, hard worker perhaps, and because of that,

1049
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,800
he's getting a world title shot. That's done. He's going

1050
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,639
to fight Richards and Hitchens for the IBF title. Eddie

1051
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:56,199
Hearn was talking about after the fight that the date

1052
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,639
that Hitchens will fight, be it Cambos's or whoever. If

1053
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:00,840
Camboses can't make it to the fight, whatever the case,

1054
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,119
maybe June twenty. First, I'd like to know what in

1055
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:08,360
the world as George Cambos is done to warrant fighting

1056
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,119
for a world title.

1057
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: We know the answer. They make this up as they

1058
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:12,800
go along.

1059
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: So that is actually disappointing. But anyway, look, he did

1060
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,800
what he had to do. He won the fight. It

1061
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,280
wasn't a particularly compelling fight. George hasn't really been in

1062
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,199
a compelling fight since the time when he shocked the

1063
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,360
world and won the fight against Ti Fimo Lopez to

1064
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,039
become lightweight world champ. Can never take that away from him,

1065
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:32,320
but has done very little since then. So I wish

1066
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,719
George Cambos, you know, I wish him well. Like I said,

1067
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,440
I rather like George. I think he's a cool guy

1068
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,440
and I rather enjoy his personality. I've interviewed him a

1069
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,599
few times, so you know, good luck to him. But

1070
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:44,039
I'm also that if you're going to fight for these

1071
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,079
type of titles, you should have some merit behind it,

1072
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,320
and to me, there is no merit him getting a title.

1073
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: Se No merit is being kind. We keep it real

1074
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,400
here on the podcast. Love all of that, all right,

1075
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,159
let's get to it. As you mentioned, it is fight

1076
00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:00,400
week this week right back in Las Vegas for the

1077
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,679
Mikayla mayor Sandy Ryan rematch on the undercard.

1078
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,679
Speaker 2: Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington, You're going.

1079
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:10,159
Speaker 1: To enjoy this facing off against Jose and Rique Vivas

1080
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,840
in a WBC featherweight final eliminator. This is Saturday night

1081
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,719
on the undercard of the top ranked card. But as

1082
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,079
I like to say, you don't have to wait for

1083
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:19,639
later this week to hear from Shoeshoe.

1084
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 2: We always love guys that are good talkers.

1085
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,599
Speaker 1: Dan spoke with him and now let's play that conversation

1086
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,679
in the preview mode for later on this week.

1087
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,119
Speaker 2: For Shoeshoe Carrington, well.

1088
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: That's my great pleasure to have on our podcast this

1089
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,440
week is the top featherweight contender. Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington, Shoesha,

1090
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,199
welcome to the show. Thank you so much for doing this.

1091
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 5: Today, man, Thank you for having me man, I appreciate it.

1092
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,039
Speaker 3: It's my pleasure. I'm gonna tell our listeners what you've

1093
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,639
got going on. You're a I think probably you wouldn

1094
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,239
argue with this the most important fight of your career

1095
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,960
thus far. You are going to be fighting Jose Enrique Vives.

1096
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,519
It is an official WBC final elimination fight in the

1097
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,159
featherweight division. It will take place on March twenty ninth.

1098
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,719
You're on the card that's headlined by the rematch being

1099
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,880
mcie Hala Mayer and Sandy Ryan for the women's welterweight

1100
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,000
title at the Fontaine Blue in Las Vegas. You were

1101
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:08,360
your fight. The show is on ESPN. I'll make sure

1102
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,760
the folks know your fight's the final fight that is

1103
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,039
only available on ESPN Plus so they can check it

1104
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:17,159
out there. So, as I just mentioned, seems like it's

1105
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:19,800
the biggest fight of your curve based on the stakes,

1106
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,679
and and and the fact that with a victory you

1107
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,960
are you are now going into this fight one went

1108
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,599
away from challenging for a world title, which is obviously

1109
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,360
the dream of every professional boxer that ever laysd on glove.

1110
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,559
So just give me your thoughts as you head into

1111
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:34,000
the fight knowing the stakes.

1112
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,679
Speaker 4: Man, this is Yes, I agree, this is definitely the

1113
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,199
biggest fight of our career this far. This is just

1114
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:45,280
the type of pressure that a fighter like me needs

1115
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,440
in order to like, you know, show different shades of

1116
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,480
their game and show like different levels of you know

1117
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:55,360
who I am and my opponents, and I really intend

1118
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,239
on putting on an emphatic performance.

1119
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 3: So one of the things that's interesting about this, I said,

1120
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,719
it is the official eliminator. The winner is going to

1121
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,159
get a chance of fight for one of the title,

1122
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,760
the WBC title one hundred and twenty six pounds. Look,

1123
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,000
I've been covering boxing a long time twenty five years,

1124
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:11,639
and title eliminators in my life have always been twelve

1125
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:13,519
round fights. I was all surprised when I saw this

1126
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:15,639
was a ten rounder, So I was wondering when you

1127
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:17,599
when you realize it was a ten rounder, even with

1128
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:21,159
the stakes at hand here, what was your thought about that.

1129
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,719
I will let you know that I actually inquired with

1130
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,800
the WBC earlier before we did this interview, just to

1131
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,760
make sure I wasn't crazy, and I texted back and

1132
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,800
forth with Mauricio Suliman, and his this thing was that's

1133
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:39,199
allowable by our rules under special circumstances. I wasn't really

1134
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:41,199
sure what the special circumstances were on this fight. But

1135
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,559
what are your thoughts about having a title eliminator that

1136
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,679
is a ten rounder, not a twelve rounder? But you've

1137
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,239
never gone twelve rounds before had a schedule twelve rounders

1138
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:49,519
so far.

1139
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've never had to schedule twelve rounders so far,

1140
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,400
So being at ten rounds, I mean, it really doesn't

1141
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:57,480
make a difference to me, Like I is far much

1142
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,079
longer than ten rounds. Twelve rounds anyway, So I have

1143
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,559
been prepared for regardless. But yeah, you know, it is

1144
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,360
what it is. You know, we we're fighting Tot Brouns

1145
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,639
for Totle Browns, but being at his ten, we're gonna

1146
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:09,760
handle business just the same exact way. It doesn't even

1147
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,719
really matter. You know, we might not even make it

1148
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,480
to the whole ten. We never know, but you know,

1149
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,480
on know for sure that the way how I've trained,

1150
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,360
I'm wert ready for anything.

1151
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: Well, so then what are your thoughts about Vivas? Because

1152
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,920
I was looking over as record. I've seen him fight

1153
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,239
a few times, very experienced, has faced good opponents. The

1154
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,639
only losses he has he has three defeats, but on

1155
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:33,519
the on so that's you know, he does a guy

1156
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:35,519
who's been beating before. But on the other hand, the

1157
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,000
three guys that he lost to were all by decision,

1158
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:40,679
and they're all good fighters, guys that fought for world titles.

1159
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,079
Joe at Gonzalez, who's fought for the title multiple times.

1160
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:45,599
That was in twenty twenty three. I lost to Edward

1161
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:49,280
Obias in twenty twenty two and Rubin Via in twenty nineteen.

1162
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,280
So on the one hand, very experienced against good opponents

1163
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:54,920
when you see that on the record, but you know

1164
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,679
he's lost those fights. How do you sort of gauge him,

1165
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:57,519
how to size him up?

1166
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 5: Man? You know, you you kind of like obviously you

1167
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,079
don't take it lightly.

1168
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:05,079
Speaker 4: You know, just this kiss has losts like you said,

1169
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,079
until he lost too, he's never been stopped. And then

1170
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,519
you look at the way he fights. Man, He's very durable,

1171
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:12,639
throws a lot of punches, and he's gonna be in

1172
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:16,719
your face all night, you know. With my boxing style,

1173
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,519
I want to be able to show just like a

1174
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:24,079
larger gap between from myself and the opponents that he's

1175
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:27,000
lost to, because those guys are you know, are are

1176
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:28,280
great fighters in your own right.

1177
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 5: As well too.

1178
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 4: But I just want to separate myself and let everyone know,

1179
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:34,199
like I'm gonna be world champion, like you know, these

1180
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,000
guys that he lost to as well, like the Dave

1181
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,039
dault for the title, but they've also never been world champion.

1182
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,079
Speaker 5: I want to be able to, you know, show like

1183
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,320
I'm over that hump.

1184
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of getting over the hump, I want to

1185
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,480
go back and just ask you briefly about your fight

1186
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,639
two fights ago. That was the fight where it was

1187
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,760
really close. You fought the uh uh, the experienced Suliman

1188
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,320
Sagawa was you know, a tough fight for you for him. Also,

1189
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,840
you got a narrow majority decision, and there was I

1190
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,039
think I remember reading a lot of comments about it,

1191
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,800
having my own thoughts about it. Two sort of two

1192
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,119
schools of thought. One, Hey, shoesho Carrington found himself in

1193
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:10,599
a tough fight. He got through it. He won a

1194
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:13,239
close fight, and he showed something because he was able

1195
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,039
to rise to the occasion and overcome some adversity. That

1196
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:18,559
was sort of the positive. Then, of course there's always

1197
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,360
a negative. We're like, oh, shoeshow got exposed? He's not

1198
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,119
that good? Is what the hype'spen etc. You know how

1199
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:27,239
that goes. I mean, so I guess my question what

1200
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,800
was what is? What was your view of it? And

1201
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,079
what do you think of the people that said, you

1202
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:31,800
know what, overhyped?

1203
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:33,199
Speaker 1: My thing?

1204
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 5: Is this? Right?

1205
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 4: Like I people don't understand that boxing, like every great

1206
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,760
you're gonna have your tough fight, whether if it's one

1207
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,960
fight to fight, you're gonna have a debt opponent that's

1208
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,119
gonna match you stylistically in a way that's gonna make.

1209
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,039
Speaker 5: It pretty difficult for you.

1210
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 4: And that's what the go was.

1211
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 5: You know, you're gonna have that. You're gonna have that.

1212
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 4: And it was definitely a line lesson for me. I learned,

1213
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,199
uh not to get too happy with the knockouts and whatnot.

1214
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,559
But also I also took the to the fact that

1215
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:05,159
I noticed that the people that are saying all over

1216
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,920
hype now or whatever, they were just so used toe

1217
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,639
you just me knocking guys.

1218
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 5: Out and steam rolling everybody and whatnot. So I've always

1219
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,880
noticed once it's like a person like that gets into

1220
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:16,599
a close.

1221
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 4: Fight, they're like so eager to throw that lost word

1222
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:21,199
in there, you know what I'm.

1223
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:23,519
Speaker 5: Saying, And all he lost all he's not he's over

1224
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,039
hyped or whatever. But man like there was.

1225
00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:28,679
Speaker 4: Just two fighters just getting it in and you know,

1226
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,159
he was home. He even had a big upset fight

1227
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:36,679
before with Ruvilla, and they they like, you know, he's

1228
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,119
a top level contender and in front with Division as

1229
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:39,519
well too.

1230
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 5: So the dude was no slouch.

1231
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 4: Just because like people don't know his name, like they're

1232
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,079
not and recognize him.

1233
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 5: They just think like, oh, you know, shit, went in there.

1234
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 4: With some guy that didn't make have much of the

1235
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,360
name and got into some trouble.

1236
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,639
Speaker 5: But you look at his record, or you look at

1237
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:54,719
the way he fights, the.

1238
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 4: Dude is tough, and you know, I got a number

1239
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,559
of respect for Segau, but man.

1240
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 5: We was able to do what we had to do

1241
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:03,280
to get to w still and you know.

1242
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,679
Speaker 3: Move on exactly. I was gonna say, you didn't lose

1243
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,039
the fight. You did get to win as close as

1244
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,639
may have been. And then in your last fight, which

1245
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:13,079
was in November, I thought this was pretty cool. You

1246
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:15,920
got the opportunity to be on the undercard of Jake

1247
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,519
Paul and Mike Tyson, which was obviously a massive event

1248
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:22,119
seeing worldwide by tens of millions of people on Netflix. Yes,

1249
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,320
you took on a tough guy and Dana colewell, you

1250
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,159
dropped him two times, won a lopsided basically a shutout

1251
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:31,880
decision against him. What was the experience like for you

1252
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,960
to be on such a huge card. I mean, you're

1253
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,679
you're you're on championship level cards already. But I don't

1254
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:41,719
think anybody or most people in boxing right now, unless

1255
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:43,960
they're the main event, necessarily have been on that level

1256
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,719
of an event in Cowboys citing huge, huge event.

1257
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: What was that?

1258
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:47,519
Speaker 5: Like?

1259
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 4: I think that was a like, by far the biggest

1260
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,559
event that I've been a part of. Second to that

1261
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,119
was my pro debut to a Wild of Fury three card.

1262
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 5: But man, this was my Tyson.

1263
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,519
Speaker 3: Like this so that's your guy, right, that's your Brooklyn.

1264
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like so many things as to why it

1265
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,559
hits home, Like, you know, Mike Tyson's from Brownsville.

1266
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 5: He personally was the one to ask to have me

1267
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:11,119
on a card.

1268
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:13,559
Speaker 4: You know, I was able to you know, share a

1269
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,840
lot with him in terms of like you know, watching

1270
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,639
train and talk to him, get his phone number and everything.

1271
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:22,079
Speaker 5: Like now now you know we're where he spent to.

1272
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 4: My place, and but back to like just the whole

1273
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,880
magnitude of how I was fighting on that card, it

1274
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,880
was just amazing, man, Like just the whole thing of

1275
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,559
how I was being treated in terms of being escorted here,

1276
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:39,199
escorted there, and uh they're just in an early nice room.

1277
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:41,559
Speaker 5: It was so crazy man, but I loved it.

1278
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:45,639
Speaker 4: It was like a spectacle and that's something that I

1279
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:47,719
can't wait to experience again and in their future.

1280
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: So one thing I was not clear about, did you

1281
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,239
know Mike much at all before this or was it

1282
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,719
just that he saw that monologue you did of his

1283
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,119
famous post fight interview and then he sort of was

1284
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,360
introduced that and said, I like this kid. I want

1285
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:01,239
him to be on my show.

1286
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 4: But we've met, like I would say, less than a

1287
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,559
handful of times throughout my life, you know, but just

1288
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:11,159
to like see him take a picture or just to

1289
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:13,360
ask ques, but it will be like few. And it

1290
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,880
was like so many years in between.

1291
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 5: I know he would forget about who I am, right.

1292
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:20,719
Speaker 4: But luckily I had a friend that's actually a mutual

1293
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:22,440
friend of his that kind of kept putting a bug

1294
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,719
in his ear about my name, and you know, my

1295
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,320
face wasn't really being shown as much yet. And then

1296
00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:31,960
once I finally fought on TV, when I thought Bernard Torres,

1297
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,800
I knew that that was the day, like I've.

1298
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,119
Speaker 5: Got to do my tys of rendition now. I didn't

1299
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,360
think that it would have.

1300
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,239
Speaker 4: Got me the position to fight on the same part

1301
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,519
as him, but I'm just like, I gotta pay home

1302
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:46,400
minds my first time fighting on TV. Everybody to remember

1303
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,280
whom I am outside of what I've just you know,

1304
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,239
just played in the ring.

1305
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,039
Speaker 5: And yeah, man, it was so dope.

1306
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 4: I feel like, uh that that was the actual reason

1307
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,000
why he reached out because he loved the fact that

1308
00:59:59,039 --> 00:59:59,840
I did that rendition.

1309
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 5: It was like, oh, man, you're crazy. Man. You gotta yo, Man,

1310
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,360
you gotta you gotta come.

1311
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 4: On up fight, you gotta come on our car, man,

1312
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,760
Like I wouldn't have it any other way, And it

1313
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:09,119
made me.

1314
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 5: Feel really special.

1315
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:12,639
Speaker 3: You need to give our our listeners a little snippet

1316
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:13,480
of the monologue.

1317
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 5: No, man, I retired monologue.

1318
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,079
Speaker 3: Man, I was only joking. I actually didn't expect that.

1319
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:18,559
It's all good.

1320
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,159
Speaker 5: It's so crazy man, that that is it. I retired

1321
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:23,599
to monologue. Mike Tyson doesn't be much better than I do.

1322
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: That was still impressive that you could remember the whole thing.

1323
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:28,000
So anyway, so as we were talking about this fight,

1324
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,920
because it's a title liminator in the WBC. The WBC

1325
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,480
champion is Stephen Fulton Junior. He recently won that title

1326
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,159
from Brandon Figueroa. He's been a champion also in the

1327
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:39,679
one hundred and twenty two pound way class. I just wondered,

1328
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:41,239
since if you win this fight, which I know you

1329
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,199
planned to do, do you have any thoughts about the

1330
01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:45,400
possibility of fighting Fulton and what you think of his game?

1331
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: Oh?

1332
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,199
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, definitely.

1333
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:50,239
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about fighting Fulton for the past I'm

1334
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,840
gonna say a year and a half now, you know,

1335
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,480
because I knew he was coming up in way at

1336
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:59,239
some point, and you know, and being at once he

1337
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,719
got up to further way, it was like, okay, Like

1338
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,400
now I can really like really hone in and watch

1339
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,360
you and see what your faults are. So I noticed

1340
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:10,000
if there's a few things like that he doesn't keep

1341
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,239
up with, you know, in terms of like defensively that

1342
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:14,239
I could easily.

1343
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 5: Capitalize on and already in my size and.

1344
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm bigger than him, I feel like

1345
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,400
I'm stronger than him, and you know, I have a

1346
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:22,960
lot of different things that we have in common in

1347
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:26,760
terms of our box ability, but I feel like just

1348
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,000
for what he edges and like with me in terms

1349
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:33,199
of like experience, I feel like I still.

1350
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:36,079
Speaker 5: Like I have a better IQ than he does. Like

1351
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:39,440
I just utilize what I have, like my assets better

1352
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,000
than he does.

1353
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:42,519
Speaker 4: And you know, I just want an opportunity.

1354
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:42,719
Speaker 5: Man.

1355
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,199
Speaker 3: That's a big statement because he's falled good guys. He guys.

1356
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,679
You know, guy's been a world champion twice. He you know,

1357
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:49,559
he fought over in Japan against any way, he squat

1358
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:53,599
Figureoa twice, fought other quality guys Angelo Leo. So you're

1359
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,559
saying you got a bigger IQ than Steven Fulton.

1360
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I still I still do because like

1361
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,280
you know that the time will come in THEO.

1362
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,519
Speaker 5: Granted, like he has more experience than me, but at

1363
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:05,320
some point.

1364
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 4: I will have, you know, a lot of experience will too,

1365
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:10,840
and then you know, people will start making an argument

1366
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,039
of oh, like the experienced aspect of it.

1367
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,199
Speaker 5: But you have all this experience in the world.

1368
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,559
Speaker 4: A lot of the guys that have already thought had

1369
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:20,000
more experience than me, and I was able to get

1370
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:21,760
him out of there or stop Moor.

1371
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:22,239
Speaker 5: Just beat them.

1372
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:25,039
Speaker 4: So it is what it is, man. The experience is

1373
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:28,599
one thing, but to use the IQ is another thing.

1374
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 3: Okay besides Fulton though, and that's of course the fight

1375
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,840
that you would be positioned for with a victory. But

1376
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,119
I've heard you mentioned other guys in the way class

1377
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,559
their names. There's other good champions in this division. It's

1378
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:40,599
kind of a wide open division. There's not like one

1379
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:42,360
guy that's got like the lockdown, you know what I mean.

1380
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,960
There's a multitude of opinions about who's number one. But

1381
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:49,360
Nick Balls, the WBA champion who just defended the title recently.

1382
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,559
I've heard you mention him as a guy you love

1383
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,679
to get in the ring with the top rank is

1384
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:56,440
involved with the two other title there's your promotion company,

1385
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,480
that's the WBO champion, Raphael Espinoza and the IBA champion

1386
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:03,239
angel Leo. Uh, what are you? What are your your

1387
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,199
takes on on maybe those guys you mentioned Ball, I've

1388
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:08,599
heard that, yeah, and the talent and the and the

1389
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:10,159
rest of your champions in your division.

1390
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 4: Man, But you know, I'm very inclined to fight raphael

1391
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:15,239
A Spinels as well too.

1392
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:18,239
Speaker 5: I'm number one in the WBO, like I'm here to fight.

1393
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,519
Speaker 4: All of the champions, angel O Leo as well too.

1394
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,280
I'm number ranking before in the IVF. I want to

1395
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,519
fight all these guys. But these guys gotta have to

1396
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:27,039
be the one that's gonna want to step up to

1397
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,519
the play. I'm here like, I'm not ducking anybody. I

1398
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,960
would say the most attractive fights for me are Stephen Fulton,

1399
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:34,639
any Ball.

1400
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 5: Those are the most attractive fights. But if those fights.

1401
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 4: Don't happen, then I would be gladly open to a

1402
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,760
fight at Espinoza or angel Leo, but just for just

1403
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,480
so I can fight for the title and get that strapper.

1404
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:47,639
Speaker 5: In my waist.

1405
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:50,679
Speaker 4: Man, Like you ask those guys, are they ready to

1406
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:52,840
fight me? That's that's what the real question is.

1407
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:56,719
Speaker 3: Well before that, it's obviously the Vivas fight, So just

1408
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,320
backed in for a minute. Yeah. As I mentioned earlier,

1409
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:01,599
he has the three losses, but all against the very

1410
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:04,719
reputable opponents, all guys who had fought for the world titles.

1411
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,280
But also, as I mentioned, those guys all went the

1412
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,639
route with him, they didn't get knocked out. So I wonder,

1413
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,639
do you believe that perhaps a way for you to

1414
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,519
separate yourself from those other guys is to get in

1415
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:15,960
there and to knock him out. Is that sort of

1416
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,719
what you would what you would love to do, is

1417
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,440
to get rid of him, and and like I said,

1418
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,360
show a separation between yourself and the other contender types

1419
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,360
that he has already lost to.

1420
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 5: That'll definitely put me.

1421
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 4: In a different different level, will show me in a

1422
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:31,559
different level from the rest of the guys he's lost to.

1423
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:34,519
You know, me, I'm coming in and to dominate, whether

1424
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,039
if it's you know, going to distance or knockout.

1425
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 5: But I feel like it's very possible.

1426
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 4: For me to get him up out of there for

1427
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,559
sure with the you know, the things that I see

1428
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:46,559
that he lacks, or the things that I gain from

1429
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:47,679
fighting him and stuff like that.

1430
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 5: So I feel like at this.

1431
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,599
Speaker 4: Point, I just have to just be you know, stick

1432
01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:53,119
to the game play and work smart and you know,

1433
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,679
get the job. Then if knockout comes, the knockout comes.

1434
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,280
You know, you never know when it comes to the

1435
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:57,920
SHUTU show.

1436
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 3: Well either way knock out decision. If you win, it's

1437
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,320
onto the world title fight. That's right, That's right, all right,

1438
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:07,000
Bruce Shushoe Carrington, thank you very much for your time today.

1439
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,920
I appreciate it. I wish you nothing but the best

1440
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,599
in the fight. I'm looking forward to watching you in action.

1441
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:12,840
Thank me, I appreciate it, all right, you bet have

1442
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:13,400
a great day.

1443
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: All right.

1444
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,119
Speaker 1: Again, as advertised, he can fight, he can talk, he's

1445
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:20,800
an up and comer. We're not saying he's a future

1446
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,039
Hall of Famer already, but Shushu Carrington is entertaining and

1447
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:26,079
he's on this undercard for top rank in Vegas. A

1448
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:28,039
final thought after the conversation.

1449
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,559
Speaker 3: If he actually proves that he can fight at the

1450
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,800
championship level, he can absolutely have a level of stardom

1451
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,719
because he is not only an entertaining and crowd pleasing

1452
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:39,320
fighter to watch, he gets it like he likes to

1453
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,639
talk to the press, like I've done this a long time,

1454
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:44,880
DJ I can tell if a guy hates talking to

1455
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,199
the media, if a guy just does it because it's

1456
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:49,079
his job and they kind of force him to do it,

1457
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,639
and there's other guys that seem to genuinely like it, yep,

1458
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:54,000
I would put at this point in time Shushu Carrington

1459
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:57,039
as a guy that actually likes the interaction, likes to

1460
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:59,679
talk about himself, likes to talk about his plans and

1461
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:01,599
what he wants to do, and he's definitely in that

1462
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,199
sort of mindset, and good luck to him. He's got

1463
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:06,239
a lot of talent, he's got a lot of belief

1464
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:10,639
in himself. And it comes off to me some might

1465
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:12,679
say cocky. I don't tell me. It doesn't come off

1466
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:15,559
as cocky. It's just just self confidence and you know what,

1467
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:16,199
good for him.

1468
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,039
Speaker 2: So we'll say, you can't have it both ways.

1469
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:21,719
Speaker 1: Fight fans, you want fighters that have personality that will

1470
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:24,440
say something about themselves or about their opponent, because all

1471
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,880
you do is complain. All these guys never say anything.

1472
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,679
They mumbled. They gave the same cliche answers, the same

1473
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,920
stock answers. I had a great training camp, you know,

1474
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:34,920
hopefully God will help me win the fight.

1475
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: I had a great opponent.

1476
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: We we need some of this mixed in. You can't

1477
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,480
have it both ways, peeps. This guy, this guy's wearn't

1478
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:45,920
it on his sleeve that I think I'm great? And

1479
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,639
so part of the people are tuning into ceas he

1480
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:49,000
gonna get his block knocked off.

1481
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:50,199
Speaker 2: That's good for the sport.

1482
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:53,039
Speaker 3: So he definitely is in that in that vein good

1483
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:55,159
good for the game. And now it's a matter of

1484
01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:57,000
you know, if he can do it. It's the higher level

1485
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:59,440
because yeah, look, no offense to him, but he he's

1486
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,239
fighting Viva, who is experienced, and as we talked about,

1487
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,239
he's got the three losses against quality opponents that fought

1488
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:09,199
for World titles, but he's never a shusha who doesn't

1489
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:11,360
have any big wins on his record. Yet he's sort

1490
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,360
of been rushed into this position in my opinion personally,

1491
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:16,559
and this is not a knockout him. I rather like

1492
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:19,880
Shushu Carrington. I still view him as a prospect. He's

1493
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,519
fourteen and no, I hasn't really fought anybody. I was

1494
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:23,760
at his pro debut. Actually, he reminded me of that

1495
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,400
because he turned pro on the undercart. I believe it

1496
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,159
was on the undercard of either Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder

1497
01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:32,719
two or three, and so you can see how quickly

1498
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,880
he's been moved along. But anyway, good luck to him

1499
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,559
if he wins the fight. As we talked about, he's

1500
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:39,440
the mandatory for Stephen Fulton, and we'll see if that

1501
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,159
fight comes off and how he does what he really

1502
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:43,679
steps up against a real guy and Stephen Fulton, if

1503
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:46,280
that's what comes to pass, all right.

1504
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:49,119
Speaker 1: Some news quickly and then some nostalgia because we've been

1505
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:52,679
here a second or two. We were wondering were we

1506
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,199
not on the weekend of help me with my dates

1507
01:07:55,239 --> 01:08:00,000
May two, three, and four. If Eddie Rayoso is training

1508
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:04,119
Ryan Garcia and others, how is he in the corner

1509
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:07,239
in New York on Friday night the second and then

1510
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:10,599
he's also in Saudi Arabia with his guy Canelo Alvarez

1511
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,840
on the third the next day, and with the time

1512
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,680
displacement with Saudi Arabia being what seven or eight hours ahead?

1513
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: We now have the answer follow up on.

1514
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:26,239
Speaker 3: This, okay. So, Tiathimo Lopez had done a couple of podcasts.

1515
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,640
I believe he was on with our buddy Sean Porter

1516
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,920
on Sean does a great podcast called The Porter Way.

1517
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:35,159
So on that podcast, he spoke about how that he

1518
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,319
wasn't training with Eddie Renoso, that he hadn't spoken directly

1519
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,199
with Eddie, but Eddie's people had contacted his team, I

1520
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:45,000
guess his management or his lawyer whatever, and explained to

1521
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:46,159
him that he was not going to be able to

1522
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:48,359
train him. And Tifim was kind of hurt by that,

1523
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:51,399
and he went and did another interview on another show

1524
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,520
called The Punch Drunk Boxing Show and was sort of

1525
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,479
disappointed about the turn of events and wasn't really a surprise.

1526
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:02,279
And when I saw those comments, I touched base with

1527
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,399
Eddie Renoso and I said, you know, any kid, you

1528
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,560
just kind of clarify what's going on here, because I

1529
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,800
didn't think there was any kind of falling out. But again,

1530
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,800
like you mentioned, if you have you know, and remember

1531
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,479
with fanfare, ti Fimo had announced last fall that he

1532
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,960
and his father were happily gonna have Eddie Renosa helping

1533
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,880
them out and to work with them and train them

1534
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,119
and and get ready for his fights. And they thought

1535
01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:27,119
it was a great match. And the same thing had

1536
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:30,119
happened where he had Ryan Garcia who had previously trained

1537
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,239
with UH with Eddie but had left him when the

1538
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,560
whole thing happened when he fell out with Canelo, and

1539
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,319
he then was training, you know, with Derek James. For

1540
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,840
whatever reason, he left Derek James UH and was going

1541
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,119
back to Eddie. So they're like, okay, so now you've

1542
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:46,960
got the card that come now, this was before this

1543
01:09:47,039 --> 01:09:49,880
May second card had been put together. Now you have

1544
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,720
Turkey al Chic puts together this this tripleheader in Times Square,

1545
01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:58,119
where one fight is tia Fimo Lopez defending against Barbosa.

1546
01:09:58,399 --> 01:10:01,279
The main event is supposed to be Ryan Garcia against

1547
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:03,560
Roly Romero. You have Devin Haney and the co feature.

1548
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,840
But anyway, if Eddie Renoso has got the two guys

1549
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,039
you know, in the first fight and in the main event,

1550
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,680
but you got Canelo Alvarez fighting on May third in

1551
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,079
Saudi Arabia. You just made the point. It can't be

1552
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:15,439
in two.

1553
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 2: Places, not those two places.

1554
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,239
Speaker 3: And so also so they could be like.

1555
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: In New York and maybe be in Chicago the next night,

1556
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:24,800
even that New York to Ria, that's not the same thing.

1557
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 3: No, So anyway, I touch base with Eddie and he

1558
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,199
explained that he and Canelo for obvious reasons, to accommodate them,

1559
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:34,600
to acclimate themselves to the to the climate, to the

1560
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,119
time change, just to their surroundings, the food, the whole nine.

1561
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,479
They're going to Saudi Arabia for May third, They're going

1562
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,760
three weeks ahead of the fight. Wow, So they're going

1563
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,119
to be there for a while. So not only like

1564
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,920
at first I thought maybe Eddie would train them, but

1565
01:10:49,039 --> 01:10:50,880
not necessarily be with them on the night of the fight.

1566
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,520
There are certain trainers like Robert Garcia is an example.

1567
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,119
Robert's got a big stable of guys and if he

1568
01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:59,000
if the schedule was confusing and there's too much going on,

1569
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:01,840
Robert has all people with him. He's got his son

1570
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,560
Robert Junior is very dependable and a top trainer in

1571
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,920
his own right. In the making. He'll go with the guy.

1572
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:11,199
They've got other assistants. Sometimes his father will go, Mikey

1573
01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:13,159
will go. They've got people that can work it out

1574
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:15,600
and they deal with their team like that. Eddie doesn't

1575
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,079
necessarily have that person, and the fighters like Ryan and

1576
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:21,920
Tifimo are at a higher level anyway in terms of

1577
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,920
what their expectations are, so it just was not conducive

1578
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,640
to it. So Eddie and I were talking about this

1579
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,720
and he basically said, look, you know, Ryan is training

1580
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,560
with his father Henry there in San Diego. He and

1581
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,119
Canelo are in Lake Tahoe. T Femo is going to

1582
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:38,720
be trained by his father. T Femo singor good luck

1583
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,479
to them. But I just didn't feel like with all

1584
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,079
the guys I have that I can do them justice,

1585
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,880
and especially since we're leaving so many weeks ahead of time.

1586
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,640
And by the way, besides Canelo on the card in

1587
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,479
Saudi Arabia, he's got a kid that he manages, the

1588
01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:56,920
olympian from Mexico Verde, who was turning professional. He wants

1589
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,760
to be there for him. He also has another young

1590
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,000
a Cuban light heavyweight that's on the card named Brian Leone,

1591
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:06,119
who he does train, who's on the undercard. So he's

1592
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:08,720
gonna be with those guys, along with Canelo and Saudi Rabi,

1593
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,199
and so it just wasn't going to work out. So

1594
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,199
all the hype about Eddie being with the two big

1595
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:16,079
names in Ta Female and Ryan, they won't even make

1596
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:17,960
it to one fight together in this union.

1597
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 2: Interesting, all right?

1598
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,239
Speaker 1: So you solved that one other news item not unexpected

1599
01:12:23,279 --> 01:12:27,079
as it relates to the potential Terrence Crawford and Canelo

1600
01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:30,439
Alvarez fight later this year, and that is Crawford making

1601
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:31,319
what decision.

1602
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 3: So Gustavo Oliveri, who was the new president of the WBO,

1603
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,920
hosted on social media and also sent me and some

1604
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,600
of the other boxing reporters a message saying that they

1605
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,239
as an organization had confirmed with Crawford that he will

1606
01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:51,039
not return to the one hundred and fifty four pound

1607
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:55,000
division and he will relinquish his interim WBO one hundred

1608
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,600
and fifty four pound title. That once the Canelo Crawford

1609
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,119
fight is made officials and now is obviously it's gonna

1610
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:04,399
be after me a third at that point that title

1611
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:07,239
will become vacant. There was no assessment about what's happening

1612
01:13:07,319 --> 01:13:10,439
yet with the WBA title. He holds the full title

1613
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,039
of the WBA. But if he's telling the WBI I

1614
01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:15,359
am not coming to WO, that he's not coming back

1615
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:17,920
to fifty four, you can count on that title being vacant,

1616
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,760
which means at some point the young Yo Nstayas who

1617
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,159
just won the interim title in recent weeks, he will

1618
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:26,319
be elevated to the full title holder. And as we

1619
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:29,079
all knew, this is just making official in many ways

1620
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:31,920
that Terrence Crawford, who is now near the end of

1621
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,880
his career and going for the biggest fights possible, that

1622
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,600
he will never fight again at one hundred and fifty

1623
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,359
four pounds, and he'll go on and fight to Canelo Alvarez,

1624
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:43,199
presuming Canelo defeats William Skull, and those titles will go

1625
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:44,600
to other people at some point.

1626
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: All right, one thing left, and that's another bit of nostalgia.

1627
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,960
After we spent so much time on George Foreman. It

1628
01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:54,279
was twenty nine years ago, as we do this pod

1629
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,199
March twenty three, March the twenty third, nineteen ninety six,

1630
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,199
that ar Turo Gotti fought Wilson Rodriguez. We've talked about

1631
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:03,840
this before, but let's bring it up for the audience

1632
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:11,680
right here, the IBF Junior Lightweight title defense Gotti Rodriguez.

1633
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: Wild fight.

1634
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: In fact, you believe, and many believe outside of the

1635
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,680
Mickey Ward fights, this may be his next best fight.

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So bring it up again here on the nostalgia on

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the anniversary.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I believe that very strongly. I think that if

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you take a look, if you take if you take

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Goddy Ward one and Gaddy Ward three out of the equation,

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this is the best Arturro Gotti fight in terms of

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drama and action. This was a young Gaddy first title defense,

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star on the rise, coming off a big win against

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Tracy Harris Patterson to win the IBF title. And Tracy

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Harris Patterson was a hell of a fighter in his day.

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He had defeated him in December of nineteen ninety five.

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Now he's starring in the main event on I believe.

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It was the second ever edition of HBO's Boxing after Dark.

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They had a absolute barn burner in their first main

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event with Marco Antonio Brera and Kennedy McKinnon and having

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this as the next main event really set HBO Boxing

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Efter Dark on a path of people knowing that you're

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going to tune in whatever the fights are and most

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likely to see some kind of hell of a fight.

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That was the sort of the style of that show

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for several years before it became a dumping ground for

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you know, getting rid of contract fights that were owed

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and bullshit mismatches and comeback fights. But back in the

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early days of the series, it was this kind of

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very compelling main event. Now, first of all, the undercart

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fight that opened the show is kind of just as

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good as anything, but it's kind of loses the attention

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because it wasn't at the same level of you know,

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incredible action and drama as the first as the main

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event was the undercard fight. This was Junior Jones against

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the Hall of Famer Orlando Canizales and a one hundred

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and twenty two pounds world title fight, and they put

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on a tremendous battle. Junior Jones got the big win

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against Canazales, but the main event is what really stood out,

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and that was, like I said, Gaddy, he's making his

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first title defense, young star in the Rock. He's got

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a lot of fans there from New Jersey in the crowd,

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and Wilson Rodriguez then put on an absolute fucking war.

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This was drama on top of drama on top of drama.

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Gaddy gets dropped in the second round. Goddy's eye is

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completely fucking swelled up.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: He knocks Wilson Rodriguez down. Uh he you know, he's

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body shots. He ultimately scored a massive one punch knockout

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to completely make a dramatic comeback. He was about to

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get knocked out Gaddy. Of course, the very famous aspect

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between rounds. At one point, You've got the doctor in

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the corner with you know, Gaddy's eye swelling up and

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he has him cover the eye. How many fingers do

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I have up? And you know he guesses right, and

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they let the fight continue. I mean, that's drama. You

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could you know, they had the mic in the quarner

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so you could hear the quarter and the doctor going

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through it. And uh, you had the great late cutman

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Joe Susa, who basically saves Goddy's career that night.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The the what's the word, the conspiracy if you will,

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the urban legend, if you will, that when the doctor

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held up the fingers it was. It was Joe Susan

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that tapped Goddy on the leg to tell how many

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fingers it was. He tapped him twice, so he was,

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you know, holding up the two fingers. Nonetheless, massive pretend

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this battle just I felt this was the fight. Now

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I had seen ar Turro win the title against Tracy

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Aris Patterson. I obviously saw fights after this Wilson Rodriguez fight.

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I covered, you know, uh, ten or twelve Gaddy fights

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in his career. Uh And I'm a i'm a I'm

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a dieart.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the.

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Speaker 3: Bag for our Taro Gatti. I love it by this fight,

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watching this fight on HBO. At this time, I'm working

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as a reporter at a newspaper in Saratoga Springs, New York.

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And I come home. I've I've taped this boxing event

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on the VCR and I settled after work. Because in

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those days I'm working at the newspaper. We get off

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our ship from the sports department on a Saturday night.

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We've taken all of our our sports scores and put

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the paper to bed. I get back to my apartment

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probably two o'clock in the morning. I rewind the tape

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without knowing what happened. There's no smartphone. I can't check Internet.

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I'm not worried about Twitter. I rewind it. I watched

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the show and this was the fight where I fell

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in love with our Turo gat. Yeah, and it was

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a love affair that goes on to this day.

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Speaker 1: Go back and watch that fight and let me just

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add to your nostalgia that I was just as we

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do this now. Last weekend in Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City.

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We talked about it back a couple of nights ago

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on the preview pod.

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Speaker 2: I took a picture.

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Speaker 1: Which I showed you of Gotti pummeling an opponent at

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Boardwalk Hall. They have a banner hanging in Boardwalk Hall

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permanently that says home of our Turo thunder Gotti eleven

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world title fights. It's got red boxing gloves hanging as

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a banner in that building. He is so revered from

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the nineties and the two thousands and all of these

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tremendous battles, including this one.

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Speaker 3: Well, he fought the final nine fights of his careb

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Boardwalk Call.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I was blessed to cover all nine of those fights

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at Boardwalk Call. The last this was basically the first

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Mickey wordfight took place in Connecticut at the Foxwoods Casino. Uh,

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I've take them back at the Mohegan Sun Casino.

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Speaker 2: My bad.

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Speaker 3: But the next nine fights before he retired, every one

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of them was in Wardwall call. But this fight against

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Wilson Reriguez that headlined is boxing after darkcart with the

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very underrated Junior Jones Orlando Kenizals undercard fight. This took

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place at the Theater at Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I actually have a great so back a few

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years ago when the when the Ring magazine, this was

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during the pandemic, they did a Gaddy war tribute issue

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and uh, my pal Dougie Fisher asked me what I

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write a piece for that, And the story that he

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assigned to me was, can you do a piece on

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the five best Arturi Gaddi fights, not Mickey Ward. Like

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we mentioned, I obviously picked this as the number one fight.

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There's also others a fight that's our legendary fight against

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Gabriel Rowellis and others. But so when I'm doing the

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piece on on this, on this for this magazine article,

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and I'm and I'm talking to Pat Lynch, who was

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the career long manager of Arturo Gotti, and he's recounting

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some stuff about the fight. You know, he says to me,

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he says he after the fight, he asked Gott he

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like when he got knocked down. He's like, well, what

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were you thinking? He's like, well, he was thinking that

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I just spent like six figures on a new car,

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and I'm gonna be fucked if I lose this fight.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: That was what was when he got up and he

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came back and scored a dramatic comeback and and like

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I said, that's when I and I'm sure many others fell.

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Speaker 2: Relive it.

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Speaker 1: All right, great stuff here. The Foreman Nostalgia itself was

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a podcast on to itself. Shoeshoo Carrington with us as well,

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gave you some fight recaps with the Towering Inferno, Sebastian

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Fondora and Ferocious Cambosis fights.

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Speaker 2: You got it all.

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Speaker 1: Let's go have a good week and let's get ready

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for that Las Vegas Top Rank show and ending out

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the month of March.

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Speaker 2: Coming up here. Other than that, Dan Rayfield, I think

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we're good. Ray Poplis We said a lot here on

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the Pop.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you sir.

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Speaker 2: There you go there is.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rayfield follows. Subscribe to this podfeed, Apples, Preaker, Spotify.

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Also to Dan's substack, the Fight Freaks Unite substack for

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all the intel, all the news, the newsletter.

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Speaker 2: You did it all right now we are good. You've

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been listening to the Fight Freaks Unite retap podcast