1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: Well you heard it here first. That is the world 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,080 radio premiere of the new single from grim Rock that 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,160 is called Cast a Shadow. And by the way, for 4 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,519 those of you watching online, you can see I've got 5 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:11,960 my grim Rock shirt on that I wore for the occasion. 6 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,839 And let's see if we have Grim on the line 7 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,879 with us. Grim Are you there? Yes, I am, how 8 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:18,800 are you hey? It's good to speak with you. I 9 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:21,199 love the new song. You know, we're big fans here, 10 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:23,320 of course, you know. We love that sort of garage 11 00:00:23,399 --> 00:00:26,640 rock vibe. That's so cool. But I think that's your 12 00:00:26,679 --> 00:00:28,839 best one yet. That's my personal favorite so far. I 13 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,120 really like that song a lot. 14 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I actually did this one in a 15 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,679 regular studio, you know, to give it a different effect, 16 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,399 you know than what I normally do. You know. 17 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still it still captures that same sort of vibe, 18 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:48,039 but I did notice just sonically, it's definitely an upgrade. 19 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:50,920 Can you tell us about that, because and I'm curious 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,600 too to Obviously we've talked before. You've been on the 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,399 show a number of times. But for listeners who might 22 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:59,560 not have been familiar with you, you know, I know from 23 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,439 our previous conversations that your process used to be. You know, 24 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:04,239 you were kind of doing it all DIY, but you 25 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,120 did mention going to a studio this time, and like 26 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,599 I said, it's definitely an upgrade. So yeah, tell us 27 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:09,000 about that. 28 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,599 Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, I did all my other tracks 29 00:01:12,879 --> 00:01:14,640 at my home studio and the last ones I sent 30 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,239 out the Pine Box Studios in Connecticut, HA done for 31 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,799 g R five And I have a friend is named 32 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,879 mister Bob. He runs a Rhythmhouse studios in Hilo, Pennsylvania, 33 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,439 about an hour from my house, and I go. I 34 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,920 used to go to his open mics, you know, when 35 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,519 I get chances, you know, because he does them on 36 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:34,319 Saturday nights and he has a studio there and it's 37 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,719 a really nice setup and he's a really good person. 38 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:40,480 And he actually got a physical set of drums, micd 39 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:42,280 up there and everything, and that was something I felt 40 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,079 that I was missing in all the other tracks. While 41 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,079 the drums sounded good, they weren't an analog set, you 42 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,519 know what I mean. Yeah, And that was one of 43 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,280 the drivers, you know, I wanted to go in there 44 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,280 do that, get to clean up the vocals, you know, 45 00:01:56,359 --> 00:01:59,319 things like that. And being he had that studio there, 46 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:01,319 and we've talked. I couldn't tell you how many times 47 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:03,400 we talked about it. I finally committed to it, So 48 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,719 I'll be doing the whole album there, Oh, very good. 49 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: So the whole album. So you're how many? I mean, 50 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:11,280 have you already started the album or obviously this? I 51 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:13,120 assume this track is going to be on it, right. 52 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be the first track. That one is 53 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,879 first only because it bridges the gap between g R 54 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,360 five with like Faded and Abyss to bring it into 55 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,840 a familiar realm, and then I can expand from there. 56 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:25,319 But it's gonna be ten tracks in the end. 57 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,479 Speaker 1: Oh, very good, Very good. That's a big commitment. Ten tracks. 58 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,479 I'm always curious to know, because you know, we live 59 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,719 in an era where you've got so many different options 60 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:35,680 in terms of how you release music. You know, a 61 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,639 lot of artists will do an EP, some will do 62 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:41,560 a series of singles. It might eventually coalesce into an 63 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,240 EP or an album, kind of the inverse of what 64 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,840 it was, at least when I was growing up, where 65 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,400 it was. You know, the album comes first and then 66 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:50,159 you release the singles. But what what went into your 67 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:54,400 decision to do a ten song album. 68 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: Well, I've wanted to do albums before, and I come 69 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:00,360 up short on them, you know, with like and Rock 70 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:03,719 Radio was like six tracks, yeah, like five officially and 71 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,159 that acoustic track, and you know, I kept going and 72 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:07,639 I was like, man, I really want to do a 73 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,639 whole album. And g R five was the closest I 74 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,199 had to a whole album with eight tracks, and I 75 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,759 was like, you know what, I'm just going to do 76 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:15,319 it this time. I'm going all out, since I'm going 77 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,639 to have studio time and you know tech, you know, 78 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,680 detect there to be able to make it sound you know, 79 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,199 better than what I had. Yeah, and I'm just going 80 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:23,759 to go for it. 81 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: Have you started? I mean obviously this track, I mean 82 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,520 technically you've started if this track is going to be 83 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,080 on the album, But I mean have you started working 84 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,840 on the other stuff yet or are you? Are you 85 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,080 demoing or where are you in the process? Now? 86 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: I have probably twenty five starter tracks to choose from 87 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,680 and through and I have three of them that are 88 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,400 pretty close to completion. Okay, I plan and I plan 89 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:44,400 on going in I think the twenty third of February 90 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:46,919 to record track two and possibly track three, depending on 91 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:47,719 where I get. 92 00:03:47,719 --> 00:03:50,199 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, any kind of an et I mean, obviously 93 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,159 it's a big like I said, it's a big commitment. 94 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:55,000 Any kind of an ETA on when the album might 95 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:56,439 be done and out. 96 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know exactly. I'm hoping it before Halloween, 97 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,680 you know. Okay, okay, it's kind of the target, you know, yeah, yeah, 98 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:06,960 now and doing it this way. 99 00:04:07,319 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: Uh, and again it is an upgrade certainly sonically, But 100 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,560 is it is is it hard? Kind of you know, 101 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,560 you you do let go a little bit of control 102 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:18,959 right when you're when you're used to doing so much 103 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,560 of it with your own process, because everyone has their 104 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,759 own process, and now you're you know, it is more 105 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,279 collaborative when you're going to a studio and doing it 106 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:31,800 this way and and and working with someone who can 107 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:35,800 really obviously it's advantageous you're working with someone who's bringing 108 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,199 out your best sound. But is it also hard to 109 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:43,000 let go of some of that control or because some people, 110 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,800 For some people, collaboration is very natural and and but 111 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,800 some people kind of struggle with it a little bit. 112 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,600 I mean, how is that for you? 113 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: No, I'm fine with it, you know, and you know 114 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,920 the advice he gave me when I was in for 115 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:00,279 the first session was valuable to me. You know, it 116 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:02,680 really helped me out with some certain things, you know, 117 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:05,319 things I was just re loose with before. Yeah, now 118 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,160 I had I had to have a structure with it, 119 00:05:07,199 --> 00:05:10,079 and you know, I'm thankful to have that kind of 120 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:12,199 guidance from somebody that has the experience. You know. 121 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,639 Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. Did you know, like at that first session, 122 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,439 did you think, Okay, this is where I'm going to 123 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,480 do the album, this is this is what I need. 124 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:22,639 Speaker 2: Well, I planned on it before and okay, I just 125 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,720 I committed to it starting with this track. 126 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha? Now what was it that? 127 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:28,079 Speaker 2: Uh? 128 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: It was? Is it Bob? Bob Arthur's Is that the guy? Yes, sir, Okay, 129 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:37,639 Now what was it that caused you to commit to 130 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,000 working with him? Because I assume, I mean, you probably 131 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:41,879 talked to or maybe not. I don't know, but you 132 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:45,480 might have talked to some different engineers and producers or like, like, 133 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,319 why did you decide to work with Bob? 134 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,959 Speaker 2: Actually I didn't talk to anybody else. 135 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: Really. 136 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been at mister Bob's studio because I can 137 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,800 say he doesn't open mic on Saturday night Okay. I've 138 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,120 been there a lot, like over the last couple of years. 139 00:05:59,319 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: Yea. 140 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: And he even had me as a as a a 141 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,959 headliner for Halloween Show like two years ago or whatever. 142 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,079 And we've we've talked a lot. Yeah, and I have 143 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,160 a lot of a lot of respect for him and 144 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,000 he's he's genuinely a really really awesome person, you know. Yeah, 145 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:17,800 and it just it felt comfortable, felt natural, you know, 146 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,399 since I've talked to him so much, And like I said, 147 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:22,519 we were going to commit to before for g R five, 148 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,000 but things kind of changed over a little bit through 149 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,120 the course of it. Yeah, and I figured now's the time, 150 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:30,040 you know, I have a first set of tracks, first 151 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:32,560 set of ideas. I want to get that Paulish sound. 152 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: Do you plan to for the album? Do you plan 153 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:37,040 to redo any of your earlier work or is it 154 00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:38,120 all going to be new stuff? 155 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: It'll all be new stuff. 156 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:42,199 Speaker 1: Okay. Very cool, Very cool. And you said you've got 157 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,839 you've got twenty five songs kind of you know, sort 158 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,319 of in the queue in your mind that you can 159 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:48,439 you can choose from. 160 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have I have about twenty five starters. Okay, 161 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,360 that that could be possible for this track. This, you 162 00:06:55,399 --> 00:06:57,959 know album, and I guess that I have two other 163 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,560 ones y ready pretty close to ready to go. Yeah, 164 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,920 I should have it finished up or you know, ready 165 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,040 to record in February. 166 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: So oh, outstanding outstanding? Now? Is there gonna be kind 167 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,279 of a theme to the album? Is there something that's 168 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:13,360 going to tie these songs together? Or are you just 169 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:16,000 kind of going with with what sounds good to you, 170 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,920 what you feel? I mean, sometimes it's a feel thing, right, 171 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,879 you know, songs just feel right together. But sometimes there's 172 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,360 there's a theme. What's your approach there? 173 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: No, this is more gonna be like a feel like 174 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,480 g R five wash and I put when I put 175 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:32,920 together g R five, you know, the first track on 176 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:35,519 the album is called Angry. I didn't do that until 177 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:38,160 Absolute Last, and I ended up making that the first 178 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,279 track on the album. Yeah, because I felt like it 179 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,160 was a heavy, a real quick, you know, shot to 180 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,000 the head opener, and you know, then it just kind 181 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 of graduated in and then then all the songs kind 182 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,040 of flowed and like got you know, more advanced, more 183 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,240 you know, like a more finished feeling. I think towards 184 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:59,680 the end like fading fading abyss and I'm trying to 185 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,519 carry that over with this track and. 186 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: Be on So yeah, yeah, Now what's the situation there 187 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:08,240 as far as playing live? Have you been playing a 188 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,560 lot of shows? I have? 189 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: I kind of I played all the way about November 190 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,040 first last year. Yeah, and I just thought I was 191 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:18,959 gonna focus on trying to get this new album and 192 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:21,759 between the holidays and working whatever else, you know, kind 193 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:24,560 of everything kind of got delayed. Sure, but you know, 194 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:27,120 I've been working on it, and I was just I 195 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:30,800 just played a show in a local place, Connorsvill, Pennsylvania, 196 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:34,080 and I'm actually gonna play a second show there in March, 197 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,399 and I have things lined up including come visiting you. Yeah. 198 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:40,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna be up our way. It'll be great 199 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,360 to meet you in person and get to see you 200 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:45,759 live actually in person. That'll be That'll be amazing. Now 201 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,000 do we do? We know at this point exactly when? 202 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's May thirtieth, May. 203 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:58,039 Speaker 1: Thirtieth, Okay, outstanding, outstanding, You're gonna be playing at Terminus, Yeah. 204 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: I hope. So yeah, Well, I had sent out my 205 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:04,320 feelers and I've gotten I got a couple of different 206 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,799 people saying, well, you'd be better off doing this club 207 00:09:06,799 --> 00:09:10,159 because it's more your genre of music, and ended up there, Yeah, 208 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,080 on referral, and I got an email saying, yeah, we're 209 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,840 good to go, but it was from March thirtieth, and 210 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:18,240 I was like, send emo back. I just sent an 211 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:20,200 email back. I'm like, I really hope it's a typo. 212 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:23,360 They're like May thirtieth. I haven't heard anything back yet, 213 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:26,039 but I'm pretty sure they'll probably. I mean, if they 214 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,639 email me once, I'm sure they'll go back again. You know. Yeah, 215 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,519 excited about that, you know, because it's a whole new 216 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,120 environment to be in, you know. 217 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: Oh, Terminus is a wonderful place. Yeah, And we love 218 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:39,519 Eleanor and Andre good friends of ours, and Jenny and 219 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,519 I have known them for a long time. I've known 220 00:09:41,639 --> 00:09:43,720 uh jeez, I think I've known them both for more 221 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,639 than twenty years now. Oh my god. I'm looking at 222 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,039 my calendar and March thirtieth is a Monday and May 223 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,360 thirtieth is a Saturday. So I think you're right. I 224 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:53,159 think it was a typo. 225 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping. 226 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure because they don't do shows on 227 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,879 Monday nights there, so if March thirty as a Monday, yeah, 228 00:10:00,879 --> 00:10:04,000 I'm sure. She meant May thirtieth, so but but good good, 229 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:06,399 So yeah, Jenny and I are really looking forward to that. 230 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,519 So that's that's gonna be wonderful. And then now, so 231 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,639 where are you again? For for newer listeners who aren't 232 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:14,679 familiar with you, where where in Pennsylvania are you? 233 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,519 Speaker 2: I'm right around the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area. 234 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,799 Speaker 1: Okay, what's the scene like there currently? The music scene, 235 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:22,759 it's it's happening. 236 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:25,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of a lot of different places to play, 237 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,600 especially with original music, and certain ones like the Green 238 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,679 Beacon Gallery in Greensburg are really in tune with that. 239 00:10:32,759 --> 00:10:34,559 You know. Mister Field is a great person. He has 240 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,039 a lot of original acts there, you know, even if 241 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:39,679 they're not even established. I did my first, my very 242 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,639 first show is grim Rock there and boyd, I film 243 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,080 isn't really added. But he had me back a whole 244 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,600 bunch of times after that, so you know, I'm very 245 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:50,360 thankful for him. 246 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, excellent. By the way, let's see in the 247 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,480 chat room here, Jenny is in there, of course. Hello, 248 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,399 she's she's at home. She's not with me today because 249 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:01,960 we're gonna be going We're gonna be doing something later 250 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,519 that I'll I'll talk about later on the show. But 251 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,600 Katie Michelle is in the chat room and says, we 252 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,080 live Grim Love. I do like the short albums, but 253 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,320 go big or go home. 254 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: Right, that's that's tattoo baby, that's my album cover model. 255 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, okay, yep, yep. She was in 256 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,559 the she was in the chat room last time we talked. 257 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,879 I think, yeah, very good. Let's see we have Paul 258 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,399 some Maria the second. 259 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know him. He's he does Brownswell Screams. He 260 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,480 does like around the Halloween time in Brownsville, Pennsylvania. He 261 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:40,000 does a show that benefits the Brownswell Public Library. And 262 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:42,120 I've been I've played there for him. I'm gonna play 263 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:42,879 there this year as well. 264 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: Oh very good, very good. Yep, he says, Carnival of 265 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:50,519 Screams September twelve at September twelve, twenty twenty six at 266 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,399 the Brownsville Free Public Library. Very good. And he also 267 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,799 said Grim is the man. 268 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:58,399 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate him too, you know. 269 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very nice? Nice? What uh so for people 270 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,159 looking for it? What Katie is on the cover of 271 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,559 What Again? G R five, the last album g R 272 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,720 five yep, yep, yep. I have that actually on the 273 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,519 wall in my podcast studio at home too, so people, uh, 274 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,960 people tuning into the podcast version of the show might 275 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,639 see the might see the album cover. But yeah, excellent, excellent. 276 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:25,639 So now in the local scene there too, like around Pittsburgh, 277 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,759 you must I know we've talked about this before, but 278 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,200 I mean, you must really stand out right because well, 279 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:36,000 first of all, so your sound is not something that 280 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:37,799 a lot of people are doing. Again, that's sort of 281 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,159 it's almost like a garage rock kind of vibe, but 282 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,559 a little dark and and but it's also visually, people 283 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,960 who have not seen you should go online and check 284 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,000 out what you're doing because visually, uh, you really kind 285 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,639 of stand out right, and I assume there's no one 286 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,519 in the scene there who's doing quite what you're doing. 287 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,600 And what's especially interesting about it is if you you know, 288 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,879 I don't know if you've ever heard this comparison, but 289 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,320 I kind of almost you remind me a little bit 290 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,600 of King Diamond when I see you in your full 291 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,679 you know, in the makeup and everything. But but it's 292 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:18,120 but you don't sound like King Diamond obviously, So I'm 293 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:21,279 really curious about that. Like in the scene there where 294 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,480 you are in your area, you must really stand out. 295 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:25,720 I assume there's no one doing anything like what you're doing. 296 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: There's actually there's actually some bands around here that do 297 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,600 makeup and stuff. Are there things like that? Yeah, there 298 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,759 is thirteen of call to one of them. There's a 299 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:38,879 band out of around the Cleveland area that does it too. 300 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,679 I see you now, I forgot their name again. I've 301 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,399 actually played with them at one of the shows over 302 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,960 in Cleveland and they're fantastic too. But like thirteen a 303 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,639 call to duo, you know. And so there's a lot 304 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,480 of solo and duo people in the area, and there 305 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,360 is a few that do you know, mass or a 306 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:58,039 makeup or something, you know what I mean. So I 307 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,600 don't completely out, but I think, like you said, what 308 00:14:02,799 --> 00:14:05,840 shocks people was they seeming to expect like, you know, 309 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,320 slip knot, you know, or something like that, and they 310 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,440 don't get that. But they don't you know. But I've 311 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,480 never had any issues with crowd with that, you know, 312 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:14,120 or anything like that, So I think it's a good 313 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,480 surprise for them. Now. 314 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,519 Speaker 1: That's got to be cool too, because you know, you're 315 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,279 you're I would imagine that when you're walking into a 316 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,759 situation where you know, you know, what people's perception is 317 00:14:25,759 --> 00:14:28,120 when they see you and what they're expecting, and then 318 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,360 getting to surprise them, you know, and then having it 319 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:33,519 turn out to be a pleasant surprise because your music 320 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:35,879 is so good. I mean, that must be very gratifying, right, 321 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,559 that must be That must be kind of Obviously getting 322 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,919 on stage and performing your songs is fun, but getting 323 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,919 to kind of surprise people like that, I mean, that 324 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 must make it even more fun. 325 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: I would imagine, Oh, it's great, you know, and I 326 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:49,679 make sure that, you know, interact with people and then 327 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,759 you know, like after after I do my sets and whatever, 328 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:54,639 I you know, I let people, you know, pull my 329 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:56,679 guitar and two pictures with people and stuff like that, 330 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,279 and I think it gives them extra value to it too, 331 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,960 you know, because it's personal and it's more personable. Yeah, 332 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,360 it's not like your favorite big league band that it's 333 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,240 they're unaccessible, you know what I mean. And I get 334 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,080 a lot of gratification from that, more so than actually playing, 335 00:15:14,159 --> 00:15:15,919 you know what I mean, Ye to be able to 336 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:17,159 connect with people, you know. 337 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:19,879 Speaker 1: I think if I were, if I were doing that, 338 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,720 I don't know that I would have the discipline to 339 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:26,600 not be tempted to just be like like before the show, 340 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:29,480 meeting people before the show, just being very like er, 341 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,639 it's just trying to be it's just trying to be 342 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:34,960 as dark as possible, you know. And then you know, 343 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,919 and then of course after the show, being you know, 344 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:39,559 just like my normal self and being friendly and everything, 345 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:41,759 but just trying to be like, like as dark as 346 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,720 possible before the show, just so they're extra surprised, you 347 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:47,279 know what I mean. I don't know, I think that 348 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,080 would be fun, but that. 349 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: Would be walking in, just walking in somewhere you've never 350 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:54,639 been before. Yeah, get all the looks and everything. And 351 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:56,679 I really, you know, I try to feel the feel 352 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,799 the crowd out and I don't do much mingling at 353 00:15:58,840 --> 00:15:59,519 the very beginning. 354 00:15:59,679 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah you know that. 355 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: I know you you know, we're the owner or whoever. Yeah, 356 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,799 And I think I think that gives a little bit 357 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,879 of a an element of they don't know what to expect. 358 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:09,399 And then I go on, then I go out, you 359 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,320 know and talk to people. 360 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: So right, does something change uh for you? Mentally? When 361 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:18,200 you when you put out everything on and you're all 362 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:20,519 you know, kind of in your in your character, so 363 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:22,120 to speak, if that's the right way to put it, Like, 364 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:25,159 do you feel different? I've often heard you know, my 365 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:28,080 my all time favorite band, regular listeners know this is Kiss, 366 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,519 And I've often heard like Geene Simmons talking about putting 367 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:32,639 on the makeup and just feeling like a completely different 368 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,000 entity almost, you know, like like do you experience anything 369 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:36,279 like that? 370 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:39,919 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean I feel like I'm a completely 371 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,000 different person. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's to me, it's 372 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,000 uncovered up and you don't know who I really am, 373 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,000 you know what I mean kind of thing you get to. 374 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:50,399 I get to portray something maybe larger or greater than 375 00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:52,360 I normally would, you know what I mean? Because if 376 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,559 I I mean, I do some I do some like 377 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:58,039 local open mics or whatever. Sometimes not painted, and it 378 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,000 just doesn't have the same effect. Yeah, you know is 379 00:17:01,039 --> 00:17:02,759 when I'm painted and I'm in front of people, you 380 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:04,079 know what I mean. So I get to open up 381 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,279 a little bit more and just be a little bit 382 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:08,519 more in a character, you know, more than anything. 383 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:11,759 Speaker 1: So so you do occasionally do shows where, like you said, 384 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:13,759 if it's an open mic, you're not you know, I 385 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,759 can see where it would be in a situation like that, 386 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:19,559 maybe you don't want to put everything on right. 387 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: I mean, you go and you play like two or 388 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,960 three songs. I mean it's not you know. I mean, 389 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,920 I mean I probably should, but I usually don't when 390 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:27,920 it comes to something like that. 391 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,039 Speaker 1: You know, No, that's understandable. And then so when you 392 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,599 play live, what happens? Is it just you? Or do 393 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,920 you ever uh? Do you ever have anyone play with you? 394 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,799 Do you have a band or how does that work? 395 00:17:39,839 --> 00:17:43,599 What's what's the uh sort of the the setup there 396 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:43,960 for you? 397 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: I'm all solo. I don't have a band. I have 398 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:51,839 backing tracks minus all guitars and all vocals. Yeah, that 399 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,200 way you know that I'm actually playing and singing, because 400 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,839 you know, I'll, especially with the guitars, when it gets 401 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:00,359 to lead solos and stuff, everything falls out from behind 402 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,359 it because you know, on the recording you have the 403 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,599 backing guitar and I was playing the leads of time, 404 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,880 so they can see that I'm really doing it, you 405 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,680 know what I mean? Yeah, I don't make sure you're 406 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,279 talking between or do something a little different so they 407 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,200 can see that I'm actually working it, you know what 408 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:15,680 I mean? Not just and I always joke around you know, 409 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,880 because I'm in that costume, like you know, I had 410 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,200 the band, I put a spell on them and put 411 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,559 them in my you know player, you know what I 412 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:23,440 mean kind of thing. 413 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Are other musicians generally accepting of what you 414 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,920 do in terms of that, because you know, there was 415 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,240 a time when there was a little bit of a 416 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:39,000 stigma using technology to to sort of almost create a 417 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:41,359 live band while you're playing, you know, But I I 418 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,960 feel like now, you know, I mean, especially on this show, 419 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,160 I'll tell you, We've talked to so many people who just, 420 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,880 you know, they want to have a big sound, but 421 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,039 they don't want to deal with everything that goes into 422 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:57,720 having a band and having to coordinate things and rehearse 423 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:00,119 with other humans and everything, And it's just easier to 424 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,880 do a solo thing. But they don't necessarily want to 425 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,279 just do a solo acoustic singer songwriter thing either. They 426 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:09,880 want to have that band vibe. So I feel like, 427 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,160 just broadly, there's a lot less stigma attached to that 428 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,720 than there would have been at one time. But I'm 429 00:19:16,759 --> 00:19:20,079 curious how how that's been for you. Does anyone ever 430 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,319 give you a hard time about doing what you do 431 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,839 without a band or are people generally accepting or not 432 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,519 even so much audience members but other musicians, how do 433 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:30,519 people react to it? 434 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:34,039 Speaker 2: I've never had any problem with that, you know, And 435 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:36,519 I think it's a lot more, like you said, widely 436 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:38,720 accepted because of the day and age we're in. Because 437 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,400 had I did this twenty years ago, I would have 438 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,680 never got a show or I got canned on this page, 439 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,079 you know what I mean. Yeah, But I think now 440 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,119 the way everything is and everything's more streamlined, and how 441 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,000 technology is more involved with it, you know, I think 442 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:53,920 it's a lot more acceptable. And I've never had, like 443 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,480 I said, any issues with any of the bands that 444 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,599 I've played with, withever if anything. You know, I'm an easy, 445 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,880 quick tear out, you know, set up and tear down, 446 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,759 you know what I mean. So giving somebody else more time, 447 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,039 or I don't need as much time to do all 448 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:08,440 the stuff, you know what I mean. It's just soundcheck 449 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,359 the backing tracks, sound check the guitar, soundcheck, the microphone. 450 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,599 I'm ready to play. Yeah. 451 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,079 Speaker 1: Well that's a great point too. Whoever is on after 452 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,839 you at these shows probably loves you because you don't 453 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:22,240 have like you don't have a drummer up there with 454 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:24,599 a full kit and who's gonna take you know, twenty 455 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:28,000 minutes to tear down and all of that, and you know, 456 00:20:28,079 --> 00:20:30,839 you're you're, you're just you know, yours. It sounds like 457 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,480 yours is pretty easy. Uh so that must be nice 458 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:36,079 for so Actually, so a lot of musicians you play 459 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:38,519 with probably really appreciate you. They probably like being on 460 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:42,559 a show with you because, you know, because I don't. 461 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,039 I don't do it anymore. But I used to play 462 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:46,359 in bands, and I I just you know, sometimes the 463 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,960 frustration of you know, when you're waiting to go on 464 00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:52,839 stage with your band and the previous band is taken 465 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,960 forever to tear down, and it's like, oh, you know, 466 00:20:57,039 --> 00:20:59,799 but but you obviously don't have that problem. I'm sure. 467 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:01,319 I'm sure a lot of bands appreciate that. 468 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't have a problem with that. A 469 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,519 lot of times too. They'll be able to set their 470 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,839 full kits up and everything, yep, while I'm putting my 471 00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:10,519 stuff together, and they'll have it all ready to go 472 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:12,640 by the time I'm sound checked, yeah, or at least 473 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,240 mostly all together. So the heavier equipment they're already have 474 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:18,440 wheeled up there. So they're a lot closer to gets 475 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:20,839 you know, sound checked than they would if I had 476 00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:23,160 people that had to tear down too. So I'm sure 477 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,160 they do appreciate that. 478 00:21:24,319 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt, no doubt. Does anything ever go wrong? 479 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,599 You know, because again when you're using technology. Obviously technology 480 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,279 enhances everything that we do, but with technology things can 481 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,680 go awry. Sometimes anything ever go wrong in a live show. 482 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: I have little quirks every once in a while, you know, 483 00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:44,759 because of the backing tracks are on a tablet, I 484 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,359 don't have a way to actually physically like like a 485 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,519 footpetal or anything to start to stopping. Oh okay, And 486 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,680 plus I have to go through and like if I 487 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,000 have it, depending on the crowd how their mood is, 488 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,119 I might skip around. So sometimes I'll hit the button 489 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,000 and it won't show off and it'll start the next 490 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,160 track by accident or yeah, you know, or I'll something 491 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,039 will happen like that. You know. I've had it where 492 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,160 my tablet, and I didn't realize this when I first 493 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,920 got my tablet. I had everything set up and I 494 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,759 went into play I think it was Brandy's Basement in Irwin, 495 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,839 and the track played fine, but then it kept repeating 496 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,240 the first track, and I'm like, what the heck's going 497 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:18,440 on with this? And here I just all I need 498 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,000 to do is restart the tablet. But I ended up 499 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,839 tearing down to give the next people, you know, a 500 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,680 thing until I could troubleshoot it, you know what I mean. 501 00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:28,519 By the time, I just I brought somebody's acoustic insta 502 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,319 a quick acoustic set, you know, so it wouldn't be 503 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,519 a waste of their time, a waste of my night, 504 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:32,759 you know. 505 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh that's cool. Yeah, how do sound guys 506 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,920 react to that? 507 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 2: I think they are all right with that because my 508 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,039 I run through a d I box that can be 509 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:51,319 active or passive, so and I have an internal preamp 510 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,279 in or two, so it will convert all that stuff 511 00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,279 over and I can kind of give them what's kind 512 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:57,960 of signal they want, just like you would for a 513 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,960 guitar amp. And I think it's about easier to tailor 514 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,039 with with the box that I got, you know. 515 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: So Yeah, now, before before you were doing this project 516 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,079 h grim Rock as you know, just a solo actor. 517 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,480 Were you in bands or what was what was your 518 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,039 experience leading up to leading up to the Grimrock. 519 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,799 Speaker 2: OZ and bands? A long time ago, I did some 520 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,759 you know, I played cover bands, I played you know, 521 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,880 original stuff. You know. I actually went to a studio 522 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,440 in Pittsburgh called Audiomation Studio at one time to record 523 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,559 tracks with the band from a local area. You know, 524 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,480 I've done all kind of different things and I just 525 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:40,519 kind of gave it up. And a buddy of mine, 526 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,319 Mark Kushak, he actually brought me out of musical retirement 527 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:45,519 and I actually did a small project with him called 528 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:49,240 The Model with Cage right before grim Rock, and actually 529 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,000 the first three tracks from the first grim Rock EP 530 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,279 with the last three tracks that we did together as 531 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:57,079 the Model with Cage, So it kind of rolled. 532 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,519 Speaker 1: Over, okay. And then what was it that caused you 533 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,240 to start the grim Rock project and to do it 534 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,200 on your own? I mean, were you just tired of 535 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,680 you know, and again, as someone who's been in bands, 536 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,079 I know the struggles. Were you tired of being in 537 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,200 a band with other people or did you just want 538 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,960 to do something different? Or was what was kind of 539 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,400 the genesis of Grimrock? 540 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: Well, we kind of I kind of felt like the 541 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,839 music was good, but we couldn't get any traction at 542 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:28,279 all with it. Yeah, and about I don't know, it 543 00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,640 was like fifteen months or so we will like plug 544 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,359 that and plug out and plugged that, and I eventually 545 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,079 just got frustrated with it, and I was like, look, 546 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,720 I said, I'm gonna take a break from this for 547 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,279 a minute. I'm gonna rebrand this whole thing, and then 548 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:41,759 we're going to see what happens, you know what I mean. Yeah, 549 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:43,559 And I ended up, and I ended up coming up 550 00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:46,119 with the grim rock thing, and believe it or not, 551 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,279 for about eleven months, I was sending stickers out everywhere, 552 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,640 selling T shirts, sending bandanas out, all with a promise 553 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,839 of music, like I didn't even have any music set 554 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,200 up for this yet for eleven months. And a buddy 555 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,759 of mine, Mike Sussa, came over one day and he 556 00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:02,319 was like, He's like, you have the greatest scam going 557 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,720 on in your life right now. He said, you're you know, 558 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:06,960 you got this band, You're promising this music, and you 559 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,359 don't even have to put it out there. People are 560 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,799 still buying your stuff. And then I got nervous, you know. 561 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:13,319 I was like, well, you know, I might put something 562 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,319 out and they're gonna be like let down, like it's gonna 563 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,799 stink or something. You know, right, but it really did. 564 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,640 It picked up a lot better that way, you know. 565 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: So do you feel like that was that was an 566 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,640 advantage for when the music when you did start to 567 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,079 release music that you kind of you know, uh, because 568 00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:35,519 that's a long excuse me, that's a long runway right 569 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:37,720 to getting to where you're actually putting out music the 570 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,599 way you did it by by so so early already 571 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,160 kind of building the image and the marketing and the 572 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,759 you know, all all of that. I mean, that's a 573 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,359 that's a really interesting approach, and I I didn't realize it. Again, 574 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:54,480 you've been on the show a number of times, we've talked. 575 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,279 I didn't realize how far in advance you started really 576 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:03,160 sort of developing rock as a concept before you actually 577 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,880 started releasing music. That's really interesting, but it sounds like 578 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,960 it sounds like it worked out well for you. 579 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I was I was wanting to build 580 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,119 a brand, yeah, identity and something. They can recognize that 581 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,240 logo it's on a T shirt. People can see that 582 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,799 and it's different. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, 583 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:22,319 when they look at they look at my picture and 584 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,559 they see the pain, it's different. Yeah, And they can 585 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:26,599 they can piece it all together, you know, I feel 586 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,000 like a lot easier that way. But yeah, it took 587 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:31,160 a long time for me to get to, you know, 588 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:34,279 releasing the first track to where we're at now. 589 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely Now, So what's kind of the Obviously, 590 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,119 you know, we're gonna get to see you in May 591 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,720 at the end of May, and we're really looking forward 592 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:47,559 to that. What's kind of the trajectory right now leading 593 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,880 up to that for you? Are you? Uh, I mean, 594 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,240 what's your first priority is it? Is it working on 595 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,799 the album or are you still going to be playing 596 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,000 a lot of shows while you're working on the album, 597 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,440 or what's what's kind of the short term trajector for you? 598 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 2: It's gonna be kind of a mixed bag. I got, 599 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,400 I got some studio time scheduled, and I'm gonna I'm 600 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,240 gonna work with that. I put in for some festivals, 601 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,480 you know, one in April that hope, hopefully i'll hear 602 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,799 back from that. I actually played two years ago and 603 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,799 I'm hoping I get to play again this year. And 604 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:19,640 I actually put in for a festival in Connecticut for July, 605 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,240 and just like a lot of there's like a lot 606 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,240 of places that I just kind of I got my 607 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,160 feelers out, and I think there's gonna be some repeat places, 608 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,160 you know, especially this year, especially with like mister Paul, 609 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:35,359 you know, his Carnival of Screams and stuff is gonna 610 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,880 be a repeat. I'm hoping to play Metal Fest in Cleveland, 611 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,039 Ohio again this year. 612 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, festivals are the greatest thing you can do. 613 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:45,839 You know. We this comes up a lot on the 614 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,880 show too. It's like, uh because festivals not only does 615 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,480 it get give you a chance to get in front 616 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,039 of an audience that would an otherwise see you. Uh, 617 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,839 So you know, you get that remarkable exposure because you know, 618 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,039 people have no idea about you will see you, and 619 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,160 you'll make a lot of new fans very quickly. But 620 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:07,839 also it's such a fantastic networking opportunity. You're going to 621 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,039 meet so many other artists and industry people and make 622 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,680 all kinds of connections. And you know, every time you 623 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,039 play a festival, So it's it's great that you've been 624 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:17,599 doing them and you're going to do more. I mean 625 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,880 that's really especially with what you do again, you know, 626 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,640 in terms of building a brand and and the visual 627 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,960 aspect of it, that's that's great. So I'm glad that 628 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,839 you've done festivals and then you're gonna be doing more 629 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,559 because I think I think it's probably the single, the 630 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,160 single best opportunity for an independent artist is to get 631 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,359 on as many festivals as possible. That's what I think. 632 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,839 I mean, there's so much value in that. 633 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,119 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there definitely is. I mean, you get new 634 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:47,880 groups of people, different areas, like I'm trying to get 635 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,279 more East Coast you know, exposure now worth coming out 636 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:55,200 your way into the Connecticut one and some different places. 637 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,119 And you know, I'm hoping I get to go up 638 00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:58,759 and down the East Coast a little bit this year 639 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,839 and just kind of broaden everything. And You're right, the festivals, 640 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,839 you know, was the connections and the bands and stuff. 641 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,759 You know, you put on a pretty you put it 642 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,599 on a decent show, you know, and you might be 643 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,440 in that area again another band by like oh you 644 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,640 can hit him up and like, hey, I'm gonna be 645 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,720 in your area. You got anything right going on, you 646 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:15,960 might be able to piggyback off that, or you know, 647 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,119 like in the case the case of Terminus, hopefully you know, 648 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,000 when I when I play there, everything goes doesn't go haywire. 649 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,000 With the electronics or anything, you know, or crazy, and 650 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,400 I put a good show on the next time I 651 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,079 come up that way, hopefully maybe I can get on 652 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,960 another one again, you know, so and and and I'm 653 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,960 sure people will talk up there, you know, so it'll 654 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,920 get around and be like, oh this grimrock guy, you know. 655 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so andus Terminus is a great place to play. 656 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,359 It's such a cool venue. And uh, Andre does a 657 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,519 fantastic job with the sound. And you'll I think you'll uh, 658 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,880 I think you'll really enjoy it there. So, like I said, 659 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,759 we're looking forward to seeing you. Well, uh so, grim 660 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:55,519 Where where should people go online? Speaking of branding, where's 661 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,079 the best place for people to go online to keep 662 00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,480 up with everything that grim Rock is doing and and 663 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:00,279 to get your music? 664 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: Of course, well, you can go to grimrocknroll dot com. 665 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,960 I'll spelled out grim rock and aand roll dot com, okay, 666 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,279 and you can go to all my socials from there, 667 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,680 I mean there's a video preview from YouTube. You can 668 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,279 go to I have Apple Music, Spotify, I think Amazon 669 00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:18,960 Music's on there. You can hit links for those you 670 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,720 can preview them on my website and then go to 671 00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:25,079 where wherever you have a subscription to see with my events. 672 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:26,839 There's a shop on there you can get T shirts 673 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:27,279 or whatever. 674 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:27,799 Speaker 1: Yep. 675 00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,039 Speaker 2: And you know I got a press kid on there, 676 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,559 so you know, if anybody is listening that has something 677 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,640 out there, you can go check my press kid out 678 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,319 there too as well. 679 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,279 Speaker 1: So outstanding, outstanding, well Grim, thank you so much. I 680 00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,440 think we're gonna close the segment. You know, we did 681 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,400 play Cast a Shadow and always thrilled to be able 682 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,440 to do the radio premiere of it on the show 683 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,119 whenever you release something new. I think we're gonna close 684 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,039 out the segment with the first song of yours that 685 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:56,759 we ever played on the show that I still love, 686 00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,839 don't you such a great track? But for those of 687 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,720 you listening live, we will play if you missed it, 688 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,559 we will repeat in the second and third hour of 689 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:08,119 the show today. We will play cast a Shadow again 690 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,799 in the second and third hour. Uh so if you 691 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,279 miss it in the first hour at the top of 692 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:13,920 the show, you will be able to hear it later. 693 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,440 And of course obviously it's available. I assume it's on 694 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,240 all the streaming platforms too, right, not yet, not yet? Oh, 695 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,279 so you've got to you've got to hear it here. Ah, 696 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:23,799 I love it. 697 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it, that's it. 698 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: Fantastic, fantastic. Do you do you know? Uh, do you 699 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,160 have a release date for when it's gonna be on 700 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,000 the platforms yet? 701 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,519 Speaker 2: No, because I haven't even given it to the label yet. 702 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,519 Speaker 1: Oh wow, you see this is even more exclusive than 703 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:37,160 I realized. 704 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, you got it. That's it. Oh, thank 705 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,039 you to get it to them, to get it to 706 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:42,640 them now. 707 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:46,079 Speaker 1: We love it. So when I say you heard it 708 00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,079 here first, I'm not being hyperbolic. You you all are 709 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,759 literally hearing it here first. So that's wonderful. So you 710 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:53,279 know what I think I'm gonna do. I think I'm 711 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,200 gonna play Don't You to end the segment, But then 712 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,240 I'm also going to play cast a Shadow again right 713 00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,359 after Don't You? And then of course I will repeat 714 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:00,759 it in the second and third hour or two for 715 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,920 our live listeners who might have missed it. But uh, 716 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,720 that's that's wonderful. Thank you so much, and uh grim 717 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,160 Rock again, thank you, my friend. It is wonderful to 718 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,119 speak with you. We will see you in May, and 719 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,319 if you have another single, we you know, we might 720 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,519 have you back on even before then. But uh, you 721 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,400 know time time goes fast, that's for sure. But uh, 722 00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,640 we're gonna hit. We're gonna hit, don't you. But again, 723 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,519 grim Rock, thank you so much, my friend, and we'll 724 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:23,480 talk to you soon, I'm sure. 725 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I really appreciate being on and and 726 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,839 you know, being on your show. So absolutely see. 727 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,519 Speaker 1: You absolutely oh same, same, all right, all right, take 728 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,880 care of grim. 729 00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: All right, thank you, you got it, Bye bye. 730 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,039 Speaker 1: All right. That is grim Rock from the great state 731 00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,480 of Pennsylvania and the Pittsburgh area. And but he's gonna 732 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,839 be up our way at the end of May, and 733 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,559 really looking forward to getting to meet him and see 734 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:43,960 him live.