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<v Speaker 3>It's collaborating time, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>The film board gathers once again to take on the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest cinematic releases of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Month, and this one is a doozy.

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel's First family finally gets their AIMCU did you with

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<v Speaker 2>a film that skips the origin story and jumps straight

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<v Speaker 2>into the cosmic parenthood, vintage suits, and the surprisingly emotional

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<v Speaker 2>showdown with.

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<v Speaker 3>A planet eater.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Fantastic Four. First Steps famous around the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Please welcome the Fantastic Four, Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch.

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<v Speaker 5>I love you, Johnny and the Thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, what time is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Say today?

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<v Speaker 5>That's not really something I say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's coppering time.

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<v Speaker 5>That's just in the cartoon. Never late for Sunday dinner.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's see. Hey, what time is it? It's dinner time?

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<v Speaker 5>Get insoide.

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<v Speaker 7>I harald his beginning, I harald your end. I Harald Galactus.

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<v Speaker 5>What is that?

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<v Speaker 8>Get us out of here?

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<v Speaker 6>Man, hold on, always safe. I don't know. The club

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<v Speaker 6>is ticking.

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<v Speaker 5>We are going to find a solution. We are going

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<v Speaker 5>to make it right. You don't want to just crush him,

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<v Speaker 5>hide that.

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<v Speaker 8>The four of us will face the danger.

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<v Speaker 6>We will protect you.

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<v Speaker 5>Family.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about connecting to something bigger than yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Who face it together.

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<v Speaker 2>As a family. Good evening, Ladies and chance, boys and

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<v Speaker 2>girls and all you have cats tuned into the future

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<v Speaker 2>of film. It's time once again for your favorite think

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<v Speaker 2>tank of cinematic truth seekers.

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<v Speaker 3>The Film Board.

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<v Speaker 2>Gathered tonight to go atomic on Marvel's Groovus Gamble yet

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic four First steps. Now hold the phone and cool

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<v Speaker 2>you jets, because we've got the bosses panel and the

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<v Speaker 2>biz first up. He's a real space brain with a

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<v Speaker 2>rocket pack of hot takes and a utility beltful of sass.

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<v Speaker 2>You know him from Swashbuckling Ladies, Debate Society, and Marvel

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<v Speaker 2>Movie Minute. It's the one, the only Kyle Olsen.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey there, cats and kittens, happy to be here there,

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<v Speaker 6>talk about the Big four.

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<v Speaker 2>Next coming at you. Faster than a Gamma burst and

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<v Speaker 2>sharper than a slide rule. He's the maestrove the Marvel

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<v Speaker 2>Movie Minute and Editor Supreme give it up for Rob Cabasco.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, I see what you did there.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice, and don't flip your wig, because we've got

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<v Speaker 2>a mind melter of against joining the round table. They're

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<v Speaker 2>the king of the Conscience Crowd, the Professor of Powell

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<v Speaker 2>from Superhero Ethics and all points moral.

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<v Speaker 6>It's Matthew Fox.

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<v Speaker 8>There it is, there it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm beat Wright, your guide through this technicolored tale of

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<v Speaker 2>stretchy Dad, sizzling siblings, invisible mothers, and big galectic guys

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<v Speaker 2>with even bigger appetites. So grab your phosphate, pop your collar,

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<v Speaker 2>and settle in because this one's.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Hi, folks, is really great.

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<v Speaker 3>Look we're doing.

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<v Speaker 8>This is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Cavalcade of superhero films that we have this month. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a banner month in this year, twenty twenty five. We're

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<v Speaker 2>here Fantastic four. We've done Fantastic four before as Humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>I have the Corman version on my plex server. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk though about this one, and I think before we

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<v Speaker 2>dig into the really nerdy stuff, I think we should

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<v Speaker 2>just pull the band aid off and get our opening

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts out of the way about the film. How did

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<v Speaker 2>it stack up for you? Matthew, you go first.

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<v Speaker 9>Sure, I'm going to ask a further thing that we mentioned,

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<v Speaker 9>which is that what is your connection to the Final

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<v Speaker 9>Four before this? Because I'll say, I think all of

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<v Speaker 9>you have at least seen other movies, probably read comic books.

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<v Speaker 9>I knew almost nothing of the Final Four going in.

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<v Speaker 9>I knew who they were, I'd seen maybe twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 9>of one awful movie, never read a comic book, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>not seeing much beyond that. And I would give this

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<v Speaker 9>movie a solid B. I think this movie did a

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<v Speaker 9>fantastic job of introducing me to the characters of the

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<v Speaker 9>Fantastic Four, making me really care about them and make

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<v Speaker 9>me really be excited about them in the MCU. And

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<v Speaker 9>then it tried to have them go on an adventure,

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<v Speaker 9>and that actual adventure I found kind of lackluster. Galactays

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<v Speaker 9>I thought was pretty dull. A lot of it was

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<v Speaker 9>very boring, and I think I fundamentally disagreed with the

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<v Speaker 9>main ethical question of this movie, which as a new

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<v Speaker 8>But we'll discuss that. So, uh, okay, you guys go next.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, Rob, this.

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<v Speaker 10>Is an outrageously fantastic movie with outrageously amazing moments. It's

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<v Speaker 10>not without flaws and some wild coincidences with the previous

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<v Speaker 10>superhero movie we discussed, so we'll talk about that. Here's

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<v Speaker 10>here's the coming out of the movie. Did I like

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<v Speaker 10>it better than The Thunderbolts by a smidge? Do I

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<v Speaker 10>like it more than The Incredibles?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, the Incredibles high esteem?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Kyle.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess I come in as the most learned I

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<v Speaker 6>guess of the Fantastic Four lore because I've been a

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<v Speaker 6>fans of them since the comic books. I've read almost

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<v Speaker 6>everything that they have done, watched all the cartoons, and

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<v Speaker 6>I've seen all the movies, including the Corman one. So

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<v Speaker 6>I come in with a lot of baggage, and I

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<v Speaker 6>felt this was one of the best Marvel sequels to

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<v Speaker 6>a movie we never got. So I agree, I have

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<v Speaker 6>some moments of amazingness, but I also I really regret

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<v Speaker 6>what we didn't get to see.

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<v Speaker 9>As the person who knew the least about it, I

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<v Speaker 9>loved that it wasn't an origin story, but we'll talk

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<v Speaker 9>more about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, I feel like the I enjoyed my time

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<v Speaker 2>in the theater, with this movie. I really did, and

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<v Speaker 2>I walked out, and two hours later I had to

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<v Speaker 2>really really think about how it ended. I could not,

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<v Speaker 2>for the life of me remember the third act. I

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<v Speaker 2>got there eventually, but I think that's sort of telling

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<v Speaker 2>about what stuck in the movie and what as a

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I enjoyed my time with it. And

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about our big bad, the biggest of the

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<v Speaker 2>Feel like there were some empty calories going on in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie after a wonderful setup. So with that all

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way, if you're listening to this and

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't seen the movie, you pretty much get how

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<v Speaker 2>it ends by looking at the trailer.

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<v Speaker 3>You could figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a spoiler full conversation. We do nothing but spoilers,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you really don't want to be spoiled in specific,

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<v Speaker 2>please go watch the movie and come back.

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<v Speaker 3>You have been notified, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us do our comic our comic allegiance segment I

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't I mention I am a fan of

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic for I have not encyclopedic like Kyle, but I

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<v Speaker 2>did read a bunch of the comics spent more time

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<v Speaker 2>with the animated series the Hanna Barbara bit, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I can say that I have I have some of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the spirit, but not inclusive. So I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love it, and I love what the Fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>for represent as a family, which I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about and how well that transitions to screen.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kyle, you want to kick us off here.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure, I mean, I'm I'll give you a full sort

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<v Speaker 6>of bile might give you like a little bit of

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<v Speaker 6>sort of my understanding of Fantastic for It is obviously

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<v Speaker 6>Lean Kirby came out with this. This they were they

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<v Speaker 6>would call the first family because they were the first

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<v Speaker 6>thing that Marvel ever put out. This is what sort

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<v Speaker 6>of defined what the Marvel style was, which is taking

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<v Speaker 6>this fantastic adventures and space gods and surfers in silver

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<v Speaker 6>and also having a human drama at the center of it.

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<v Speaker 6>From this came X Men, Spider Man all that stuff added.

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<v Speaker 6>But like this is sort of where Stan and Jack

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<v Speaker 6>then a franchise was born from there. They have struggled

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<v Speaker 6>because once LeAnn Kirby sort of stopped rinning it and

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<v Speaker 6>hand off. It's been a series of handing off to

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<v Speaker 6>people who either get it or they don't get it,

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<v Speaker 6>and so their comic book history is more littered with

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<v Speaker 6>people who didn't understand what was interesting about the Fantastic

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<v Speaker 6>for than people who did. So there are moments where

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<v Speaker 6>they really shine at a lot more moments where they don't,

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<v Speaker 6>and so a lot of what comes the problem is

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<v Speaker 6>is that they aren't superheroes, and even this movie sometimes

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<v Speaker 6>that they are adventurers, they are explorers. They are much

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<v Speaker 6>closer to Flash Gordon and Doc Savage than they are

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<v Speaker 6>to Spider Man and Captain America. Because they're in a

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<v Speaker 6>then it never quite fits right. And this movie, I

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<v Speaker 6>think is an example of it doesn't quite fit right.

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<v Speaker 6>They have the family in Anames right, but they still

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<v Speaker 6>don't They still trying to fit into the tropes that

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<v Speaker 6>the MCU has established, and like from the first trailer,

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, Ooh, I don't know if they got it,

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<v Speaker 6>in the same way where I watched James Gun's trailer

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<v Speaker 6>for a Superman. As we're making this comparison and when

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<v Speaker 6>he got it, like he understood what Superman was in

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<v Speaker 6>a way, and I was worried that this would happen,

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<v Speaker 6>and it kind of did. It's like, for now, four

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<v Speaker 6>times they've done it, and they've never quite gotten it,

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<v Speaker 6>right that because they keep trying to make them into

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<v Speaker 6>something that they aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I would I would say this is the

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<v Speaker 2>best of the four times for me, Yes, I would

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that. But yeah, I think the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I that I'm challenged with is that my first exposure

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<v Speaker 2>to the Fantastic Four introduced a family that was deeply flawed,

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<v Speaker 2>right that they were dysfunctional. And I love the way

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<v Speaker 2>you put it that their adventure is not heroes, that

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<v Speaker 2>they are dragged into this because of circumstance and never

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<v Speaker 2>quite embrace it. They just they just exist in this

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<v Speaker 2>space kind of reluctant hero. Trope writ large And I

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<v Speaker 2>think this, you know this movie actually, particularly through Pedro Pascal,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they get some of the vibe of like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a scientist man, and I think he pulls

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<v Speaker 2>it off maybe better than anybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, Matthew, you were gonna say something.

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<v Speaker 9>No, I would add to that. First of all, you

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<v Speaker 9>agreeed on the peedro Pascal. A hero who stretches sounds

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<v Speaker 9>incredibly boring to me, and I really liked that. It

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<v Speaker 9>was just a cool effect sometimes but mostly his superpower

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<v Speaker 9>is his brain and his dedication and also the flaws

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<v Speaker 9>that came up. I love that about his character. But Kyle,

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<v Speaker 9>the ethical questions I'm gonna get into later. I definitely

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<v Speaker 9>like I'm always really interested in what authority do people

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<v Speaker 9>governments of the world that they would be given certain

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<v Speaker 9>You know, there was an agreement that they had not

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<v Speaker 9>I think that fundamentally changes how we understand the decisions

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<v Speaker 9>to me to hear that, because that is as someone

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<v Speaker 9>very new to this, absolutely not what I got from

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<v Speaker 9>the story. What I got in the story was they

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<v Speaker 9>are the Avengers, they are the Justice League. They are

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, which I think does not serve them well. I

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<v Speaker 6>then high ethical kind of questions, which is what they

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<v Speaker 6>and do that in the superhero genre, it doesn't quite

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<v Speaker 6>there are a great heroes. Now, let's immediately tear them

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<v Speaker 6>goes these guys are amazing we love them, will follow

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<v Speaker 6>this is really cool. Like we've never really seen this

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<v Speaker 6>in any modern superhero, even even in Superman, which you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I think we bring up just because of high proximity

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<v Speaker 6>of time. They the superheroes around and they they don't

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<v Speaker 6>have that same kind of relationship. Even they don't quite

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<v Speaker 6>trust Superman at this point, but here, like everyone immediately

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<v Speaker 6>but could we live in that world a little bit

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<v Speaker 6>longer like this because we haven't seen that before. But no,

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<v Speaker 6>immediately the world turns on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I like I really agree with all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm struggling a little bit because with the Superman comparison,

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<v Speaker 2>they had been superpowered sort of people. Meta humans had

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<v Speaker 2>been around so long that there was enough time for

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<v Speaker 2>the Vox POPULARI to split. So you have some heroes

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<v Speaker 2>that were beloved and some that were not, and Superman

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<v Speaker 2>is mistrusted and for a time. But you know, corporate

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<v Speaker 2>sponsorships are what they are, and branding is what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there's a much more sort of sophisticated emotional

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<v Speaker 2>that works well for I think what they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do with that movie and that universe this one, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>with you. I loved the fact that we had given

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<v Speaker 2>over the sort of allegiance to this superpowered team because

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<v Speaker 2>they were you know, they too like Superman. They exist

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<v Speaker 2>in a world with lots of malcontents, and the nods

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<v Speaker 2>to Mollman and Red Ghost and Mad Thinker and puppet

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<v Speaker 2>Master and Diablo, all of those.

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<v Speaker 6>Are really great.

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<v Speaker 2>We live in a time and there are bad things

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<v Speaker 2>that manifest in the form of individuals who are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>doing their thing. What we get with Moulman, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, I think that's that is the most

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<v Speaker 3>That's like Fantastic four number one.

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<v Speaker 6>There's even an Oma, but I don't know how many

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<v Speaker 6>she is. But the of the first cover of the

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<v Speaker 6>first comic, they like literally have that in opening sequence

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<v Speaker 6>of the Green Monster coming out of the thing, that's

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<v Speaker 6>that's the cover. I was like, Oh, they really aren't

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<v Speaker 6>going all the way with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's cool, right they did. I think they did

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<v Speaker 2>it really well. And the fact that they gave agency

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<v Speaker 2>to the relationship of Mollman and his people his domain. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to not just be an evil doer he had. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't just modul was a little bit more complex,

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot more complex, but a little bit. He

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't find that to be And I also found that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the things we talked about with Superman, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they evacuated the city before they destroyed it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole time when buildings fell, buildings fell, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have any problems with But Rob is just Rob

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<v Speaker 2>is just nodding there, and it makes me nervous, like

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<v Speaker 2>I can't stop talking.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I like he's about to do his thing.

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<v Speaker 8>I am enjoying, enjoying.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm enjoyed this, know, Like I gotta tell you, I

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<v Speaker 10>looked at this so much from show me the story

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<v Speaker 10>you want to tell. And the thing that is amazing

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<v Speaker 10>about this is we have this talk. In Superman they

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<v Speaker 10>kudos to Michael Giaccino. That song, which is from the

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<v Speaker 10>Score Fantastic four to be reckoned with that's the name

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<v Speaker 10>of the sequence during the montage is one of his

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<v Speaker 10>best pieces of music I have ever heard. It has

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<v Speaker 10>been on repeat ever since the soundtrack dropped that whole montage.

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<v Speaker 10>That's what I wanted Superman to do. If they would

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<v Speaker 10>have done that, it would have done huge benefit to

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<v Speaker 10>that story. In this story, it's great. Here's the weird

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<v Speaker 10>issue I had with the first act, which is a

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<v Speaker 10>little bit about the story of the family. It was

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<v Speaker 10>almost too brilliant. That montage is so good. The casting

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<v Speaker 10>on this movie is so good. I felt like the

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<v Speaker 10>first act was lagging. And I will tell you what

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<v Speaker 10>it's missing is tell me the same background story of Galactus,

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<v Speaker 10>because that's where I'm failing to understand. Like I know,

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<v Speaker 10>I'm here if you want to hear my one of

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<v Speaker 10>my controversial statements is I got Kang Quantumania vibes with

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<v Speaker 10>the way that they treated Galactus in this movie. And

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<v Speaker 10>that's what's missing in the first act is you know what,

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<v Speaker 10>after you've done showed me the montage of the of

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<v Speaker 10>the family, Now go hyperspace to the other end of

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<v Speaker 10>the universe and show me the story so that at

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<v Speaker 10>least I can understand what we're dealing with, and that's

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<v Speaker 10>something that was lacking. I think of the first act.

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<v Speaker 6>I had that same problem because I got to the

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<v Speaker 6>point where they're in hyperspace on their way to confront Galactus,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was like, I little thirty five minutes forty

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<v Speaker 6>minutes in the movie, and I was like, when does

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<v Speaker 6>this movie start? Because I was still sort of in

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<v Speaker 6>the Okay, we we had like the domestic scene and

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<v Speaker 6>then the montage and then and then the reaction and

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<v Speaker 6>then the and I was like, is this is this

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<v Speaker 6>really yet? Like is this actually happening?

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, so here so wait's so the thing the thing

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<v Speaker 10>I just want to say about this whole issue with collactuses.

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<v Speaker 10>He was presented as a giant grail Night zombie.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm gonna need more. Okay, yeah, break that down.

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<v Speaker 8>The grail Night, the Grail Night from the Last Crusade.

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<v Speaker 10>He is somehow the keeper that is waiting for someone

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<v Speaker 10>to pick up where so he can end and he's

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<v Speaker 10>a zombie. He's got to eat. I like, that's all

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<v Speaker 10>I got from this and that's and that's missing. They

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<v Speaker 10>need to help tell his story better because I know

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<v Speaker 10>that there's a whole there's a whole answer to all this,

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<v Speaker 10>It's just not in this movie.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, So I'm have.

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<v Speaker 9>Kind of two minds on this. On the one hand, Kyle,

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<v Speaker 9>I think you have me convinced to some extent that

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<v Speaker 9>a first movie could have been really helpful because I

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<v Speaker 9>don't want an origin story.

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<v Speaker 6>But I but no, I don't. I don't either. But

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<v Speaker 6>it was like when they when they did that montage

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<v Speaker 6>of like, here's all the bad gys we just defeated,

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, I would have liked to have seen that.

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<v Speaker 5>Please.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, yeah, I mean, first of all, I think Momn

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<v Speaker 9>is just a far more interesting enemy than Glacdus has

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<v Speaker 9>presented here, Glactus is presented here. It seems like the

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<v Speaker 9>most boring enemy that the MCU has ever given us,

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<v Speaker 9>which is so fruct sound like you're supposed to be

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<v Speaker 9>so much more. But I wanted to see more of Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>what is I wanted to see? This movie is all

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<v Speaker 9>about the break with the relationship we've established, and I

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<v Speaker 9>think that in Superman it wasn't needed because and granted

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<v Speaker 9>this is more what I like. I spent the last

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<v Speaker 9>couple of months leading up to the Superman movie watching

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<v Speaker 9>Superman Superman and Lois and watching the earlier movies, and

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<v Speaker 9>I think there is so much other content that's not

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<v Speaker 9>in this universe, but that is out there that Roman.

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<v Speaker 9>So I have seen Superman healing everybody and doing all

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<v Speaker 9>those things in a way that I haven't seen the

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<v Speaker 9>Fantastic Four doing the flip.

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<v Speaker 8>Side though.

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<v Speaker 9>That'll give is that I do think it's possible to

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<v Speaker 9>both introduce characters and really spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 9>showing them as they are before showing the break. And

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<v Speaker 9>I think it happened in the unfortunately very ignored in

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<v Speaker 9>his conversation. Third really important, really good superhero movie that

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<v Speaker 9>came out in July, which is K Pop Demon Hunters,

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<v Speaker 9>which I think is phenomenal and you haven't watched it.

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<v Speaker 8>Definitely do so.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it is very much superhero movies, which is not

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<v Speaker 9>an American superhero movie, but in that they spend in

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<v Speaker 9>part because they don't they wait till like halfway through

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<v Speaker 9>the movie to really introduce the Okay, now the public

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<v Speaker 9>is churning on them. Now they're turning on each other

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<v Speaker 9>kind of thing. Uh, and we'll mane. You see the

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<v Speaker 9>seeds of it, you see it coming. Like I think

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<v Speaker 9>if they had done something like that, were like there

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<v Speaker 9>had been some scene like the surfer had appeared but

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<v Speaker 9>hadn't given the full message, or like we'd seen some

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<v Speaker 9>and maybe there's not enough time to do that in

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<v Speaker 9>this movie and that Yeah, maybe it could have been

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<v Speaker 9>a earlier movie. But I actually I think it's possible

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<v Speaker 9>they just didn't do because yeah, by the time that

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<v Speaker 9>the public was also mad at the Fantastic Four. I

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<v Speaker 9>think I know what the relationship is, and I think

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<v Speaker 9>I know what Galactus is, but you're right, we hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>The challenge I think I have with Galactus, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>This might be a me thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the comic legacy of Galactus, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the Galactus trilogy, right, the sort of source

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<v Speaker 2>material from the sixties, I know that we get galactus backstory,

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<v Speaker 6>A shock to me of like like like hey, I

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<v Speaker 6>just met you. Yeah, here's where he's right from. Like WHOA, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>we're good.

426
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<v Speaker 2>This is the city.

427
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<v Speaker 6>We haven't even told your names yet, You're already.

428
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<v Speaker 2>Giving eternal segment of the of the thing. I get

429
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<v Speaker 2>that there exists backstory that that does support the fact

430
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<v Speaker 2>that Galactus was a mortal explorer and was co mingled

431
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<v Speaker 2>with the sentience of the universe and became Galactus and

432
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<v Speaker 2>now just has to feed to sustain his existence. All

433
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<v Speaker 2>of that I understand. And yet my Galactus from when

434
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<v Speaker 2>I was a lad reading these things contemporaneously, was Galactus

435
00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:43.119
<v Speaker 2>was the joker to Batman. Galactus was the inevitability of

436
00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:48.279
<v Speaker 2>doom that we must adapt to in order to fight,

437
00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.359
<v Speaker 2>and backstory did not matter. And I felt like this

438
00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:57.759
<v Speaker 2>movie walks that the edge of trying to define too

439
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<v Speaker 2>much when it maybe should have defined less, uh not

440
00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:05.440
<v Speaker 2>less so much that you know, what was the Transformer

441
00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:10.720
<v Speaker 2>movie where the planets were being eaten by the Unicorn story?

442
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<v Speaker 2>But I but something akin to that, because going into

443
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<v Speaker 2>this movie, I had no idea how they were going

444
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<v Speaker 2>to make Galactus feel real and resonant and were they

445
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<v Speaker 2>going to make it something that I was going to

446
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<v Speaker 2>be able to care about. And the challenge was they

447
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:29.759
<v Speaker 2>almost made me care more than I should have for

448
00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:36.400
<v Speaker 2>something that should have been omnipresent a moral destruction.

449
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<v Speaker 9>Right, And I think that's great because if a central

450
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<v Speaker 9>part of the movie is the Fantastic Four and the

451
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<v Speaker 9>world trying to decide what to do about Galactus, I

452
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<v Speaker 9>think I think that becomes worse the more they know,

453
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<v Speaker 9>if they because if they can like the fact is,

454
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<v Speaker 9>they don't sympathize with him. They don't know his motivations,

455
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<v Speaker 9>they don't know his origin story. They just know they're

456
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<v Speaker 9>going to die. And and I like that because I don't.

457
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<v Speaker 9>I think most moral decisions are not made with full information,

458
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<v Speaker 9>and that's worth discussing, and like, in some ways, if

459
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<v Speaker 9>they'd framed it like that, I think you could have

460
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<v Speaker 9>gotten the explore if it had been Hey, right now,

461
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:15.000
<v Speaker 9>from what we know, there's this terrible ethical choice, but

462
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<v Speaker 9>we're explorers.

463
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<v Speaker 8>We want to learn more.

464
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<v Speaker 9>We learn more about Galactus, and that helps us kind

465
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<v Speaker 9>of get out of this Kobashi maru of either the

466
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<v Speaker 9>baby or everyone and find a third choice.

467
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<v Speaker 8>I think that would have been a fantastic lead to

468
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<v Speaker 8>approach it.

469
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<v Speaker 6>There was a torch Wood mini series where a bunch

470
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<v Speaker 6>of aliens showed up and they they said, oh, hey,

471
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<v Speaker 6>we've got this amazing technology. We can help solve pretty

472
00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:40.480
<v Speaker 6>much all your problems. And they and they prove it,

473
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 6>like they like, we can do this. All we want

474
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<v Speaker 6>is half and they're like, oh, but what do you

475
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.240
<v Speaker 6>mean half of your children? We just want half and

476
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.599
<v Speaker 6>we will solve all the world's problems. And that escalates

477
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<v Speaker 6>over the course of the of the entire world, going

478
00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.519
<v Speaker 6>what do we do with this? And they took like

479
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<v Speaker 6>six episodes. I think of that too, and it gets

480
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<v Speaker 6>into it here they try and resolve the whole thing

481
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<v Speaker 6>in like twenty minutes, and I kind of went, well,

482
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<v Speaker 6>but there's a lot bigger conversations. For me, it sort

483
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:10.200
<v Speaker 6>of lost it. When they go to Glactus. He says

484
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.119
<v Speaker 6>I want the kid and I'll spare your world and

485
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:14.599
<v Speaker 6>they have that thing. They said, oh, now I'm gonna

486
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<v Speaker 6>take care it and I'm gonna make you watch And

487
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:22.599
<v Speaker 6>I was like, wait, no, he's cruel, He's malevolent, right,

488
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.920
<v Speaker 6>he just doesn't like Glactus's thing is he doesn't care,

489
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<v Speaker 6>Like he literally just doesn't care. He is he is

490
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<v Speaker 6>that force of the universe, like, no, I'm I'm just

491
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:35.119
<v Speaker 6>going to eat your planet the end. I am the end.

492
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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, when it sort of became like I was like, oh,

493
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<v Speaker 6>but no, that's that the just and he just becomes

494
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<v Speaker 6>fanos but big.

495
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<v Speaker 2>That's that was the biggest problem right there.

496
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<v Speaker 9>I would say, since we're kind of dancing around it,

497
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<v Speaker 9>can I just bring up the ethical question that seemed

498
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<v Speaker 9>to be at the center of this, because it does

499
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<v Speaker 9>seeven a what we're talking about, it is how it's

500
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.079
<v Speaker 9>how it's framed. I don't even be a backstory to

501
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<v Speaker 9>my own perspective on this. Uh so we're just scussing.

502
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<v Speaker 9>Before we went on the pod. My partner recently had

503
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<v Speaker 9>our baby. I have been a father for exactly two

504
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:08.920
<v Speaker 9>weeks as of today, and one of the hardest moments

505
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<v Speaker 9>for me was maybe ninety minutes after our baby was born.

506
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:14.720
<v Speaker 9>Because there's a possible infection, they had to do a

507
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.039
<v Speaker 9>bunch of blood draws. They took the baby into another room.

508
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:18.519
<v Speaker 9>I was the only one who went in there with him,

509
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:19.680
<v Speaker 9>and I was kind of holding him while they were

510
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.440
<v Speaker 9>doing this, and they weren't doing a very good job,

511
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.119
<v Speaker 9>and they were sticking him and not get it, and

512
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.759
<v Speaker 9>he didn't like it, and he was upset. And I

513
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:31.279
<v Speaker 9>am a person deeply committed to nonviolence, and I have

514
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.680
<v Speaker 9>never been so close to throwing a punch as I

515
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:38.200
<v Speaker 9>was at age twelve getting bullied. The lizard brain in

516
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:42.079
<v Speaker 9>me was so ready to fight this, and of course

517
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:44.400
<v Speaker 9>that was all I could think about in this movie.

518
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<v Speaker 9>But the thing is, I don't think that's a good

519
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<v Speaker 9>part of humanity. I think one of the worst things

520
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:58.079
<v Speaker 9>we do is when our desire to protect, to defend

521
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:03.359
<v Speaker 9>what is ours, our partners, our children, our property, leads

522
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 9>us to be willing to like throw away everybody else.

523
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.799
<v Speaker 9>And I won't get too political about it, but I

524
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:09.519
<v Speaker 9>think that's a huge Like a lot of the fear

525
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:12.839
<v Speaker 9>mongering is about, like, your children are under attack, so

526
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:17.200
<v Speaker 9>everybody else because we have to protect your children, your parents.

527
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.720
<v Speaker 9>I think if the final question is do you give

528
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<v Speaker 9>up your individual child to save humanity? And I would

529
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<v Speaker 9>say I also understood it as and this is maybe

530
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 9>something that again the comic books were clear on, but

531
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:31.640
<v Speaker 9>here it wasn't.

532
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:32.599
<v Speaker 8>I understood it.

533
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<v Speaker 9>As you give Glacknus the baby, he stops and there's

534
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<v Speaker 9>no one else who take It's not that the baby

535
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:40.680
<v Speaker 9>becomes Glacktus two point zero, No more worlds are destroyed.

536
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.000
<v Speaker 9>For me, that's absolutely not a question. Of course you

537
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 9>give up the baby. Of course you do. It's horrific

538
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 9>and terrible and awful. But and here's also where they

539
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.839
<v Speaker 9>are the official you know, like if you're a fire,

540
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.599
<v Speaker 9>if you're a firefighter and you're a fire and there's

541
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<v Speaker 9>ten people in one room you can save or your child,

542
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.839
<v Speaker 9>and the other you're supposed to save the ten. And

543
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 9>maybe that's not fair, and maybe that's not that, but

544
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.400
<v Speaker 9>that's generally why we don't have people fight fires in

545
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 9>neighborhoods that they're in, And especially in the sense of

546
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 9>like to me, if if if the governments of the

547
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 9>world have said you are our saviors, then that's your

548
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 9>responsibility more than it is to one individual soul who's

549
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:20.640
<v Speaker 9>obviously the most important thing in the world to you.

550
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 9>And I really liked Sue's speech about like we need

551
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:26.319
<v Speaker 9>you to not give up on us, but we also

552
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 9>won't give up on you.

553
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 8>But it also felt like they were kind of like.

554
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<v Speaker 9>I wish they had wrestled with that more and wrestled

555
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 9>more with what is our is our responsibility to each

556
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 9>other or to this larger hole and how do we

557
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 9>balance that? And and coming to a way of like

558
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.920
<v Speaker 9>can we find a third way? But I think the

559
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.480
<v Speaker 9>movie was acting as though, of course they won't give

560
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 9>up their baby why in the world would they That's

561
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<v Speaker 9>not even a question worth discussing.

562
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<v Speaker 8>And for me, I was like, well, hang on, hang on.

563
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 9>I I think more than anyone can understand how the

564
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 9>visceral level, why it would be almost impossible.

565
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:56.240
<v Speaker 8>To do that. But why.

566
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<v Speaker 9>I think if the whole world it had been like

567
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.240
<v Speaker 9>we're taking that baby and saving five billion fere people

568
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.880
<v Speaker 9>or whatever it is, I wouldn't think they're wrong. If

569
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.920
<v Speaker 9>any members of Choptech and Services are listening to this,

570
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:06.559
<v Speaker 9>please don't take me to aby away.

571
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 8>I'll protect my baby, I would say. My only my

572
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:12.799
<v Speaker 8>own response that is that I understand what you're saying.

573
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<v Speaker 10>I'm not sure that every ethical uh test of is

574
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.880
<v Speaker 10>under the same context. So it's one thing to say,

575
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 10>you know, if a firefighter has the the sworn responsibility

576
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 10>to save ten versus the one, yes, regardless of who

577
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 10>the one is, where the ten are right. But in

578
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 10>this narrative, if you witnessed a machine that could eat

579
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 10>a planet from the inside out, my first thing was

580
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 10>is deals are off the table, Like deals are laughable

581
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 10>at that point, right, So yeah, we're gonna fight because

582
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 10>when faced with global annihilation on a system that we

583
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 10>don't even understand.

584
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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, we're going to fight, and I have no issues

585
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 8>with that, with that choice.

586
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.240
<v Speaker 9>Well, and I think to be clear, the question is

587
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 9>I'm phrasing it that I think the movie won us

588
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 9>to talk about but then kind of didn't. Is only

589
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.759
<v Speaker 9>if you believe the deal, and you believe, like if

590
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 9>you believe that Franklin will just go on to be

591
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 9>Glackty's two point. Oh no, no, it's not ethinctly worth it.

592
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:11.839
<v Speaker 9>If you believe that Glackness would be like, cool, I

593
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 9>have the baby, but I'm still gonna eat y'all because

594
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.119
<v Speaker 9>like you're tasty.

595
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:16.799
<v Speaker 8>Then yeah, of course it doesn't make any sense.

596
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 2>But that, interestingly is a premise that I didn't walk

597
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>away understanding the way you did. My understanding was you

598
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>give me the baby, and I will let earth, this

599
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>earth survive. I'm gonna go on and I'm gonna keep

600
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>eating things, and Franklin, because of his cosmic future, is

601
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna take over my mantle so that I can rest.

602
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Eventually those things are gonna continue. So really you're saving

603
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>You're giving up the baby to save just you Cosmically,

604
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>that's the deal, and that's where the deal ends. I

605
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 2>also think for a summer blockbuster popcorn movie wrestling with

606
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 2>a question of should we really give up the baby?

607
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Any harder than they did would have been catastrophe.

608
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<v Speaker 6>For the reason this is what my my main problem

609
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 6>with this is that like just to step back from

610
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.759
<v Speaker 6>even from the moral question of why does Fantastic four

611
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 6>first steps which one's terrible title, uh have to take

612
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 6>this on? Well, I say, fantastic maybe four no first

613
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 6>steps where of what to wear? No, they had, like

614
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.160
<v Speaker 6>clearly in the olpening seat, We've established they have already

615
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 6>taken their first steps. This is step four or five.

616
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.559
<v Speaker 6>But there's so much lore to go immediately from like, hey,

617
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.960
<v Speaker 6>you're media Fantastic four and now they have a kid,

618
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.960
<v Speaker 6>and it's like, but you're skipping all of this stuff,

619
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.680
<v Speaker 6>all of this interesting thing why like it was it

620
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Speaker 6>was it was almost greedy to me of like they

621
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 6>wanted so valid to get to like we gotta get

622
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 6>Solver served, we gotta get to Glacs, we gotta get

623
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 6>to frankly Richer's I'm like, but but you're skipping all

624
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 6>of this stuff, this great stuff, to get us to

625
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.200
<v Speaker 6>the point where we care because we never get to

626
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.720
<v Speaker 6>see this sustorm the most amazing sustorm we've ever had.

627
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.279
<v Speaker 6>We only get to see her as a mom, never

628
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.759
<v Speaker 6>get to see her as the invisible woman. Obviously she's

629
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.519
<v Speaker 6>a visible girl because the sixties, but the we never

630
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 6>get to have her as just like it. She's already

631
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 6>matronly by the time we meet her. We never get

632
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 6>to see her as just like a regular person and

633
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 6>not in the role of mom, you.

634
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 2>Know, like the I mean from the jump too. I

635
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 2>mean that we meet her on the toilet with the

636
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>pregnancy test.

637
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 10>Hey wait, by the way, I'm glad you just mentioned that.

638
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 10>Did all of you see the pregnancy test on the

639
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 10>counter and think for a second it said Stark, No,

640
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:37.640
<v Speaker 10>it's Stork.

641
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 6>I think it did, but I got to tell you I.

642
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 8>Was at one point Stark industry is pregnancy does? What

643
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:46.960
<v Speaker 8>kind of universe is this?

644
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.680
<v Speaker 9>I mean, Tony doesn't go on to become a superhero,

645
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.680
<v Speaker 9>so clearly he just starts making stuff.

646
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 8>I agree with you.

647
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 9>I don't think a summer blockbuster is the time. I mean,

648
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:00.759
<v Speaker 9>I would love a summer blockbuster that you know, uh

649
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 9>wrestle these theopathical questions. I'd also love the Jets to

650
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 9>win the Super Bowl. I think both of those are

651
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 9>equally never gonna happen in my lifetime. I think that, Yeah,

652
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 9>but I think that's why, Like, to me, it just

653
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 9>felt weird that they pose that question without wrestling out

654
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.559
<v Speaker 9>because to me, the other part of it is I

655
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 9>definitely didn't get the idea that like he would.

656
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 8>Go on to eat other worlds. I thought this would

657
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 8>end his hunger.

658
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.640
<v Speaker 9>But also like, if the idea is, well, it's wrong

659
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.640
<v Speaker 9>to just save humanity and some other planet, what about

660
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 9>wherever they're teleporting him to, like their planets out, He's

661
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 9>going to be hungry, He's going to find some other planet.

662
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 8>It's just not gonna be humanity. So yeah, I yeah,

663
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 8>I kind of.

664
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 9>Wish they hadn't brought up that level of ethical nim

665
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:42.920
<v Speaker 9>in a format where obvious it's the wrong place to

666
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:43.359
<v Speaker 9>wrestle with it.

667
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, when they studs up and they start talking about it,

668
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 6>there is a a a fantastic worcenario where Red figures

669
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 6>out how to cure glacus Is hunger, and so you

670
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.599
<v Speaker 6>get to meet Galactus as a person who as a

671
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Speaker 6>space god who no longer has this central defining thing

672
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 6>and what does that mean that? I was like, Oh,

673
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 6>are they doing that I'm like, oh no, they're just

674
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 6>going back to that.

675
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:05.799
<v Speaker 9>Okay, that would have been great maybe because all of

676
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.800
<v Speaker 9>you knew more about this, But I've been avoiding spoilers

677
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 9>like the plague, especially when I found out that our

678
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.480
<v Speaker 9>DJ was coming back as Doomsday. That seems so stupid.

679
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 9>I was just not thinking about it for a minute.

680
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 9>I thought the way this was setting up was how

681
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.679
<v Speaker 9>they get to six one six. We all did because

682
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 9>I thought, what has happened? They send Galactus to there,

683
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 9>and then they have to be like, oh, we just

684
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.039
<v Speaker 9>sent it to another Earth we have to go through,

685
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.000
<v Speaker 9>and now we're gonna end up with Avengers to take

686
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:33.920
<v Speaker 9>on Galactus again.

687
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:35.960
<v Speaker 6>I thought they were going to teleport Earth to six.

688
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 8>Oh yeah, I thought, or whatever they call it.

689
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's what I thought it originally, like it was

690
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.119
<v Speaker 6>gonna something was gonna go wrong in the in classic

691
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.639
<v Speaker 6>read fashion, and they would end up in a different universe.

692
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Alas, and I don't think that question is answered even

693
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>as we connect, and I think we you know, this

694
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 2>movie is playing the hits of Fantastic Four, and those

695
00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 2>hits are Silver Surfer, Galactus, and Doctor Doom. So let's

696
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:08.320
<v Speaker 2>look first at Silver Surfer. This is Julia Garner's Silver Surfer.

697
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I actually thought Silver Surfer was a real high point.

698
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 8>I agree with you.

699
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:16.639
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed Julia Garner's take on it. I enjoyed

700
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:21.079
<v Speaker 2>even the flashback montage. I think she did a really

701
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 2>nice job kind of portraying the Harold thoughts.

702
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.320
<v Speaker 6>I did not have a problem with Silver Surfer, and

703
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 6>I thought that was the high point of the previous

704
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 6>two films, The Fox Ones too, when the combination of

705
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.039
<v Speaker 6>Doug Jones, you know, one of my favorites, and Laurence

706
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 6>Fishburn together, I thought that was that character was fantastically

707
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 6>rendering that in a movie that he was in fact,

708
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 6>that he was better than the rest of the movie

709
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 6>that was around this too. But to get back to

710
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 6>this head, to switch over to from norm Rad to

711
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 6>Shalla Bell was a great idea because you get to

712
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 6>see the character in a new way. And I thought

713
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.599
<v Speaker 6>pretty much everything they did with her worked fantastically and

714
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.519
<v Speaker 6>we got to have the her the fact that Johnny

715
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 6>was the smart one to do, which was what a

716
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 6>great toy that was that we'll come to around to

717
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.039
<v Speaker 6>the four. We haven't really talked about the four. Having

718
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 6>Johnny be the one to induce a moral waundry with her,

719
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 6>like basically like, hey, you're complicit in the depths of

720
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 6>the like that was his big move. I was like,

721
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 6>that's a missising, Like honestly, like, even now, what.

722
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.280
<v Speaker 10>A great sub story, what a great subplot, and it

723
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 10>and it elevates that character in a way.

724
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.199
<v Speaker 8>You never said it was.

725
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.239
<v Speaker 6>And it was so frustrating that it took so long

726
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.280
<v Speaker 6>for her to come back around too, because the whole

727
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 6>fight with Galactus, I'm like, come on, come on.

728
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:36.639
<v Speaker 10>Well, no, they wanted you to forget. They wanted you

729
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 10>to forget about her. So the so the moment is

730
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 10>even better than what you expected.

731
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 1>She was.

732
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:41.960
<v Speaker 8>But I love her character and everything about her.

733
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 9>And oddly enough, I'm the ethesist is gonna be the

734
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 9>first one to bring up visual effects having her I

735
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 9>don't know if this was normal, but having her not

736
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 9>only be silver but being fundamentally reflective led to some

737
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:53.639
<v Speaker 9>of the most.

738
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 8>Brilliant shots in the movie.

739
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:56.960
<v Speaker 9>And to me, the first one was one of the

740
00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 9>first time is that she's chasing Johnny and he's basically

741
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 9>created the circle of fire that she is flying through,

742
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:05.719
<v Speaker 9>and so the flames are.

743
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 8>Reflected in her.

744
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 9>I if you can give me a poster of that,

745
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 9>I'd put it up because it was just such a

746
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 9>brilliant like, it was such a brilliant visual effect. And also, yeah,

747
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 9>I loved what they did with Johnny and her because

748
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 9>it I feel like you told me so much about Johnny,

749
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 9>because it told me that, yes, he is the party boy,

750
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.920
<v Speaker 9>he is all these things, but he's also smarter than that,

751
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:28.039
<v Speaker 9>and he's not a himbo.

752
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:29.960
<v Speaker 8>He has some real brains to him.

753
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.679
<v Speaker 9>But also why is it that he goes on this

754
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 9>journey of like wanting to show that he could figure

755
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 9>all this out because the pretty girl rejected him, Like

756
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.320
<v Speaker 9>obviously there's a lot more going on there. But also

757
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:41.880
<v Speaker 9>he was trying to hit on the silver Surfer and

758
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 9>she had nothing to do with him, and he's like, well,

759
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 9>I can learn the language now, And like I thought,

760
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 9>there was such a brilliant way of not making him

761
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 9>a joke, not making him a Oh here's the three

762
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.239
<v Speaker 9>serious heroes and he just wants to drink beer. They

763
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 9>didn't make him like you know that version of the

764
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 9>flash that we see so often, He wasn't a party boy.

765
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:04.440
<v Speaker 8>Was just like yeah, I just thought he was phenomenal

766
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 8>in that he.

767
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:09.599
<v Speaker 6>Went full Barney Sinston Bernie Stinson from of like having

768
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 6>to like, I'm gonna do all of this work just

769
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.760
<v Speaker 6>to try and get this one girl to like me. Oh.

770
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 2>I feel like if this is a John Hughes movie,

771
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 2>he would have been John Cusack right like this is.

772
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 3>It would have been great.

773
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 8>But you all know who that actor is, right where

774
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:23.480
<v Speaker 8>we've last seen.

775
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Him, No Stranger Things, He's yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

776
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.599
<v Speaker 8>Which knocked me off because it's such.

777
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 2>A bridge so different. Yeah, astounding that.

778
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:37.840
<v Speaker 6>On all the kudos.

779
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 10>That is a different take on him that we've seen

780
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 10>in the previous Fantastic Four movies, and there was depth

781
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 10>to it, and I love that. I mean now again

782
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.920
<v Speaker 10>that you know, creating an entire new uh rubric to

783
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.320
<v Speaker 10>come up with a whole new language translation is probably

784
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 10>a little bit outside of his intellect, but I'm just

785
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:58.199
<v Speaker 10>gonna ignore that, and that's fine.

786
00:38:58.679 --> 00:38:59.679
<v Speaker 8>It was worth it.

787
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about about human Torch, and let me just

788
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>say He's Human Torch was always my favorite of the

789
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic for it.

790
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 6>Oh okay, yeah, for me, it was the thing.

791
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.119
<v Speaker 3>The thing was yours.

792
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, and now that now that the thing grows a beard.

793
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 2>This is great good uh, but but they there were

794
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>some bits of shorthand, like the fact that the fire

795
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 2>never uh had to worry about his clothes.

796
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 3>It was just a great little bit of short end.

797
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 6>I can't believe in this movie they never said the

798
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.440
<v Speaker 6>word unstable molecule right like that was like, that's a

799
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.679
<v Speaker 6>fundamental things.

800
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Foundational to the cosmic energy. But since we're talking about

801
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the four, let us uh do the rundown, so starting

802
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.159
<v Speaker 2>now or I guess second with dad mode Mandalorian Uh.

803
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 9>Pedro Pascal's read Richards, there will come a day when

804
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 9>I see Pedro Pascal in a role that I don't

805
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.119
<v Speaker 9>instantly fall in love. That day has not yet come.

806
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:04.079
<v Speaker 9>His speech of about how he can't stop thinking about

807
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.880
<v Speaker 9>the worst case scenarios was just to for me, like

808
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.719
<v Speaker 9>I was the person who when we were like we

809
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.320
<v Speaker 9>tried really hard to have this child who took three years.

810
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.360
<v Speaker 9>We almost went to like a lot of medical intervention stuff,

811
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.320
<v Speaker 9>and about halfway in the pregnancy, I had to find

812
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 9>the right moment to bring up, what are we gonna

813
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 9>do if something goes wrong, if there's some terrible choice

814
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 9>we have to make, and my partner was like, I

815
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:28.760
<v Speaker 9>don't want to think about that, and I was like,

816
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.760
<v Speaker 9>I know, I know, I can't stop thinking about that though.

817
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.360
<v Speaker 9>And so I've never identified so much, granted probably because

818
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.599
<v Speaker 9>I'm a new father, but like I just thought, and

819
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.320
<v Speaker 9>he made that role believable. He made it believable that

820
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.440
<v Speaker 9>he was a leader. But because of his just who

821
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.880
<v Speaker 9>he was, not because he was dictatorial or something like that.

822
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 9>I believed him being the most brilliant, like incredibly brilliant. Yeah,

823
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 9>I just I just thought he was like fantastic in

824
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 9>that role.

825
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.199
<v Speaker 10>I would just say it took us what maybe six

826
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:00.840
<v Speaker 10>movies to get to the sweet, vulne honerable core of

827
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 10>Tony Stark. It took twenty eight minutes to do it

828
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:05.440
<v Speaker 10>with mister fantastic.

829
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.639
<v Speaker 8>Yeah. Yeah, and that's amazing.

830
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 10>Kudos to Pedro Pascal for this because it's outstanding and

831
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.679
<v Speaker 10>the writing, let's not forget the dialogue is what did it?

832
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:16.199
<v Speaker 8>Oh?

833
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.159
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I was or another Tony Stark And that really

834
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.320
<v Speaker 9>showed me this is not that true character.

835
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:23.519
<v Speaker 8>This is a very different character.

836
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you hire a Paedro Pascal, you get a Pedro Pascal,

837
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.280
<v Speaker 6>You get what you pay for. But that was I

838
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 6>guess my thing is that it was so in his

839
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 6>wheelhouse that it was for me, like it was like, oh, okay,

840
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.840
<v Speaker 6>so this is just the Mandalorian and last of us.

841
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.119
<v Speaker 6>I mean, like, this is just you're you're just playing

842
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 6>the same like where we know that he has this

843
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.840
<v Speaker 6>and he was watching on SNL and you see this

844
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 6>entire other range that he's not getting to do anymore

845
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:50.039
<v Speaker 6>because these now the Internet, sad Dad, So that's all

846
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 6>he gets to do. And that bummed me out a

847
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.239
<v Speaker 6>little bit because Reid is more than that. And I

848
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 6>mean there's sort of fundamental things that I think of

849
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.199
<v Speaker 6>as being part of Reid's character that aren't in this

850
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.239
<v Speaker 6>at all. So I had a hard time sort of

851
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 6>connecting it back to sort of the read Richards that

852
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.800
<v Speaker 6>I sort of understood, but no shade on his performance.

853
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure that's what they were that's what they were

854
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 6>going for and the idea in the same way that

855
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 6>when they established Spider Man in the MCU and had

856
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.320
<v Speaker 6>him be a science geek, I was like, Oh, yes,

857
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 6>that's what a brilliant take. I never thought of, Like, oh,

858
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 6>is that a mechanical arm like that?

859
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:22.360
<v Speaker 7>That?

860
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.119
<v Speaker 6>I was like, oh what, I never thought of that,

861
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 6>but it fits perfectly, and having him as the person

862
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 6>who thinks of all the worst things in the world

863
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 6>try to fix it absolutely tracks. But it was all

864
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 6>this other stuff of like, well, he's not a good husband,

865
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 6>like historically not a good husband, not a good leader,

866
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 6>like he is constantly distracted and in his own head,

867
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 6>and but also has like verbal diarrhea. He just like

868
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 6>will talk and talk and talk and talk, and the

869
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.280
<v Speaker 6>idea that he's just the silent, brooding guy. I was like, oh,

870
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 6>that doesn't quite line up for me. But it was

871
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 6>you know, once again, interpretations of characters and you have

872
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:00.920
<v Speaker 6>to sort of you know, get in head like like, oh,

873
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.239
<v Speaker 6>this is what their version of it is, not what

874
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:04.760
<v Speaker 6>it's not about me.

875
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't make it wrong, doesn't make it wrong. Yeah, yeah, we.

876
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:09.199
<v Speaker 8>Al's talk for a moment.

877
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 9>But I would have loved to see more of him

878
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 9>as the bad teacher, you know, the teacher who is

879
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 9>just himself so fascinated by his subject that he cannot

880
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.360
<v Speaker 9>fathom and that's cannot reach people who don't get the subjects.

881
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.320
<v Speaker 8>Like we got ten seconds of that.

882
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.960
<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, that is and that is one hundred percent

883
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 6>like built into his character and it like almost never

884
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 6>shows up. Vanessa Kirby a Sue Storm. I The thing

885
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 6>I regret when you talk about the fact that there

886
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.159
<v Speaker 6>was there's a first movie out there that we haven't seen,

887
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.719
<v Speaker 6>is that one of my favorite origin like Getting the

888
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 6>Powers stories is Siue storms because her powers are crazy

889
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 6>and I think figuring out, what's this? What is this

890
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 6>energy that I can make shields and I can influence

891
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 6>others and I can be invisible, And here she's already

892
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 6>in complete control.

893
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Of everything that she can do.

894
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 2>And I missed the charm of watching her figure it out,

895
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.559
<v Speaker 2>and that was something, honestly, I'm going to say, Jessica

896
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Alba I think did pretty well in the clumsiness and

897
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.000
<v Speaker 2>chaos of figuring out how to be who Storm that

898
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:22.159
<v Speaker 2>said peak dad moment for me was her saying you

899
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:23.880
<v Speaker 2>got to stop writing these tests. You want to see,

900
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:29.760
<v Speaker 2>let's see and just showing the baby inside her own uterus.

901
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:35.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was extraordinarily cool. What an incredible visual effects,

902
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:41.039
<v Speaker 2>flat flex and a great emotional beat.

903
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.920
<v Speaker 10>I'm going to tell you, flat out, I think she

904
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 10>steals the show. Chalk this up to another one of

905
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 10>my coincidences between this and Superman. The female lead for me,

906
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.440
<v Speaker 10>was pitch perfect to the character more so than almost

907
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:58.280
<v Speaker 10>everybody else. She is absolutely incredible. The moment where she

908
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 10>says where they're having the conversation, when she's having it

909
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 10>with Read, when he's talking about I'm manic and you

910
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 10>know who I am, and she looks at him and says, again,

911
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.159
<v Speaker 10>sometimes who.

912
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:10.960
<v Speaker 8>You are hurts.

913
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 10>If you're a spouse, if you have a spouse who

914
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 10>has to deal with your manicness and you and your chaos.

915
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 10>That is one of the most profound pieces of dialogue

916
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 10>I've seen in a Marvel movie ever. It is outrageous.

917
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 10>And the way she does it, Yo, I can't imagine.

918
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:30.559
<v Speaker 10>There's nobody else I can imagine playing that role in

919
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 10>that movie. That is a huge testibatory.

920
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 9>It's phenomenal, especially because I don't want to try this

921
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:36.920
<v Speaker 9>in a group therapy, but I assume all of us

922
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.559
<v Speaker 9>may have to subcent these issues.

923
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 8>But for me, especially like yes, that moment.

924
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.079
<v Speaker 9>Hurts, But what hurts far worse is the partner who

925
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 9>won't say that. The partner says, no, it's fine, it's fine,

926
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 9>and you can see that your manicness or your depression

927
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 9>or whatever it is hurting them and you don't know

928
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.239
<v Speaker 9>how to stop, and they won't ignow, and so like

929
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 9>to me, it felt like such an act of love

930
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.239
<v Speaker 9>and of trust her to say that, Yeah, I think

931
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:02.639
<v Speaker 9>I only loved.

932
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:03.880
<v Speaker 8>He as a character. She was a character I really

933
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:04.400
<v Speaker 8>cared about.

934
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:06.800
<v Speaker 9>I did not, for a second believe that she was

935
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.360
<v Speaker 9>going to die, and so I was very annoyed at

936
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:10.519
<v Speaker 9>that uh moment.

937
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 8>I think mostly what I was feeling, though, was how

938
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 8>her character made me feel.

939
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.320
<v Speaker 9>How nineteen sixties this whole thing was to the point where,

940
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:23.239
<v Speaker 9>honestly I felt in a world of Bechtel tests. I

941
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.119
<v Speaker 9>thought the Silver Surfer was going to join them by

942
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 9>the end, just so she'd had another woman around.

943
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:31.440
<v Speaker 8>You know, because yeah, it did feel like she got uh.

944
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 9>I've spoken about with Jessica Plumber on my Superherotic show

945
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 9>about how like in some of the not so good

946
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 9>runs of Fantastic Four, she is very much even if

947
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.639
<v Speaker 9>there's not Franklin around, but she's like a mother to

948
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.960
<v Speaker 9>her husband and her little brother and to Ben, and

949
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.840
<v Speaker 9>that that's not her best side. And so I agree

950
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.599
<v Speaker 9>with you, like seeing her only as pregnant and then

951
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 9>mother of a newborn child, what that speech she gives

952
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 9>to the crowd about how they need they need to

953
00:46:57.400 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 9>understand that they won't sacrifice the baby, but they also

954
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:03.679
<v Speaker 9>won't Sack provides Earth loved, absolutely loved every moment. To me,

955
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 9>that's exactly where like a superhero perspective should be.

956
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.719
<v Speaker 6>And she and then she gets and then she is

957
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:11.920
<v Speaker 6>has long been. It was sort of like like Pete

958
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 6>was talking about had long been, just like, oh, she

959
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 6>can turn a visible and she can put up a shield,

960
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 6>and that was it. And then it was sort of

961
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 6>as the thing went on, they went like, well, what

962
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 6>if there's no limit to what she actually can do?

963
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:24.920
<v Speaker 6>And so her power has grown and so now she

964
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 6>is regarded in the regular comedy as one of the

965
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 6>most powerful people out there. And so to see that

966
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.519
<v Speaker 6>on screen she goes toe to toe with a space

967
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 6>god and pushes him back. I mean, there's some great

968
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.519
<v Speaker 6>interestinct and great acting stuff too, but that is a

969
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 6>pure conflict moment, and that with what I was absolutely

970
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 6>thrilled about is having her exert her will and push

971
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 6>Galactus down the street. That is like whoa wait exactly, And.

972
00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 8>I don't want to take away from that at all.

973
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:00.920
<v Speaker 9>I think it's great sometime for you that you have

974
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:02.400
<v Speaker 9>to do some homework for a movie, But for me,

975
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:04.960
<v Speaker 9>going into it not knowing at all meant utterly nothing.

976
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 8>Because I didn't know.

977
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.119
<v Speaker 9>I like, oh, okay, that's like I mean there, I think,

978
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:11.400
<v Speaker 9>maybe Kyle, you're really making me around if i'd seen

979
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 9>a movie about her learning that power and wrestling that

980
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 9>power and not thinking that she had that power but

981
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 9>among other things, the like you know you can lift

982
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 9>a car off your baby, because that's what it does

983
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 9>her baby, her family is in danger. That's how she

984
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 9>finds that power. I think, Yeah, I love that they

985
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 9>had that. For the people who knew the characters. I

986
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.639
<v Speaker 9>wish they'd done more to set it up for.

987
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's that's this is why I felt like there

988
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 6>was just a missing movie because the same thing with

989
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.679
<v Speaker 6>now would come to the thing like one of my

990
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 6>all time favorite characters, and so they they absolutely got.

991
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.719
<v Speaker 6>I think they great casting. The effects were amazing. The

992
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:48.440
<v Speaker 6>fact that he actually looked at that and growing the

993
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.719
<v Speaker 6>beard with it was just a fun twist too, but fantastic.

994
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.079
<v Speaker 6>He was already sort of past all of the stuff

995
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:57.239
<v Speaker 6>that like like Rob was talking about with with Tony

996
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.360
<v Speaker 6>starks Ark. He was pasted all of it and just

997
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 6>sort of like, well, this is what my life is.

998
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, but I don't want Ben to suffer. And

999
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.119
<v Speaker 6>Ben Grimm is as a nice guy who's affable and

1000
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.559
<v Speaker 6>everybody gets along with is great, but there also is

1001
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:11.920
<v Speaker 6>a sadness to him that they only kind of show

1002
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 6>with him sadly looking in windows. But that's it, like,

1003
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, like so they sort of I feel like

1004
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.119
<v Speaker 6>for Johnny too. Johnny was a himbo who like just

1005
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.119
<v Speaker 6>was a party boy, like you see the Copper Tone

1006
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 6>ads U two and then eventually grows and becomes worthy,

1007
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:29.840
<v Speaker 6>and so that's where we meet him, and the same thing.

1008
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:33.360
<v Speaker 6>Sue as ignored. Obviously she's the way and you know,

1009
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:35.760
<v Speaker 6>the housewife has to take care of them all, and

1010
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.880
<v Speaker 6>then moving into being the most powerful, you know, potentially

1011
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 6>of the group. We missed all that, so like we

1012
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:45.199
<v Speaker 6>we meet them after all their character arcs are finished,

1013
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 6>and so it's it's so it's a little bit like, Okay,

1014
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.199
<v Speaker 6>you're you're having to and that's why I felt bad.

1015
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.480
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, I feel like everyone has to catch up

1016
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.320
<v Speaker 6>to what they're doing now and without knowing any of

1017
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:59.519
<v Speaker 6>the stuff that came before. And it's the movie stumbles

1018
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 6>right out of the doing that.

1019
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 2>The ben Grim bit is the most interesting one to

1020
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:09.320
<v Speaker 2>me because the Ben Grimm transformation is one of great grief. Right,

1021
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 2>everyone else can pass, right, there is a passing motif.

1022
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.360
<v Speaker 2>You can choose not to stretch, mister fantastic, You can

1023
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>choose to just be not invisible, you can choose to

1024
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.880
<v Speaker 2>not be on fire. You cannot choose not to be

1025
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:30.960
<v Speaker 2>made of rhyme. Right, but just to ask exactly exactly

1026
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 2>it is something completely different, and I think missing that

1027
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.360
<v Speaker 2>that is, that's doing a little bit of short shrift

1028
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.199
<v Speaker 2>to future implementations of Ben Grimm. In the movie, we

1029
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.840
<v Speaker 2>don't have his sad backstory in order to see what

1030
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 2>he's accomplished to be able to become a hero in doomsday,

1031
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.880
<v Speaker 2>in wherever he goes from here. And I also I

1032
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 2>share that regret because that was that's always one of

1033
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 2>my favorite sort of adaptation stories.

1034
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 6>He still gets up and does the job anyway, that's

1035
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 6>my thing. Like you, he can never go back, he

1036
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 6>can you can't even buy regular clothes, and yet he

1037
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 6>still gets up and punches Galactus in the face.

1038
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.159
<v Speaker 3>And also Natash she Leone was here one of.

1039
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 10>The most powerful moments in the entire movie, for Ben

1040
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:15.960
<v Speaker 10>is when they are at the dinner table and she

1041
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.840
<v Speaker 10>and he realizes that she's pregnant. Let me tell you something,

1042
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 10>those eyes is one of the most expressive CGI moments

1043
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:27.159
<v Speaker 10>ever in the history of CGI. Yes, because if you

1044
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.000
<v Speaker 10>know the backstory of the characters, you know that's his

1045
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.039
<v Speaker 10>moment where he realizes, Oh, I love you. And if

1046
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.000
<v Speaker 10>case Matthew didn't know that, right, there's a whole backstory

1047
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.599
<v Speaker 10>to that, and that's the moment where he realizes and

1048
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.760
<v Speaker 10>now we're done, and now I bury those emotions for

1049
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 10>the rest of for the rest of my existence. Oh

1050
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:46.760
<v Speaker 10>you know, mean he loves her like says he loves

1051
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 10>yes at some point.

1052
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.639
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, oh yeah, that's no, no, no, I understand.

1053
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 8>But for those who know that moment, yeah.

1054
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 6>Shout out to Hylem or whatever of the fifteen specified

1055
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 6>companies because it's so subtle and the fact that we

1056
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 6>can get to that point where a big stone guy

1057
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 6>silently you can see that read the emotions on his face.

1058
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:08.760
<v Speaker 6>I don't know that was pution capture or whatever it was.

1059
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.840
<v Speaker 6>I took a team, I know, but yeah, that was incredible.

1060
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.920
<v Speaker 6>Just they would just cut back to him and he

1061
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.880
<v Speaker 6>just him like waiting for Johnny to catch up, just

1062
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 6>like okay.

1063
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Like right, the fact that we have it in the

1064
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 2>person of even Moss Backrock, who is a such an

1065
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:26.960
<v Speaker 2>incredible performer, and we already know for fans of the Bear,

1066
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:33.719
<v Speaker 2>just what incredible range this guy has as a performer, stunning,

1067
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 2>stunning turns from.

1068
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.559
<v Speaker 9>I don't think it was in any way coincidental that

1069
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.480
<v Speaker 9>they introduce him knowing that background and the first thing

1070
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.719
<v Speaker 9>he does is taste something in a kitchen and talk

1071
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:46.159
<v Speaker 9>about it.

1072
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:48.920
<v Speaker 8>That was like, hey, Bear fans are for you.

1073
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:53.559
<v Speaker 9>Okay, okay, Yeah, And I will say there's one other

1074
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:56.159
<v Speaker 9>thing where they made a lot more progress than anything

1075
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.360
<v Speaker 9>I've ever seen, but I wish they'd gone just a

1076
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.599
<v Speaker 9>little further. The MCU is been really bad about Jewish representation.

1077
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 9>You know, we have Megnieto for sure, but uh, you know,

1078
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:08.280
<v Speaker 9>Wanda is supposed to be both Jewish and Romani that

1079
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 9>that's been taken out.

1080
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 8>I thought Moonlight Moonlight was really great, but some people were.

1081
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.039
<v Speaker 9>Thrilled about it, and so the fact that he goes

1082
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 9>into a synagogue I thought was a really nice moment.

1083
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:19.679
<v Speaker 8>I didn't love that.

1084
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 9>She then says, be good, why are you here, and

1085
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.119
<v Speaker 9>he says, I'm here for you Because to me that

1086
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:27.039
<v Speaker 9>like it does that means he's finding Jewish community, not

1087
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.039
<v Speaker 9>necessarily that he himself was Jewish. I wish it had

1088
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.679
<v Speaker 9>been more like, because this is where my community is

1089
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.960
<v Speaker 9>and you're here something, but still being that explicit about

1090
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Speaker 9>linking him to Judaism I really appreciated, and like, I

1091
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:42.800
<v Speaker 9>think this is not unkline. To me, that's not the

1092
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.880
<v Speaker 9>most important about his character. It's unline everything else you've

1093
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 9>talked about. But for me, as a person of Jewish family,

1094
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:48.719
<v Speaker 9>like that is something I care about a lot, and

1095
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 9>I was very happy that that did not get kind

1096
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.519
<v Speaker 9>of swept on somebody.

1097
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.559
<v Speaker 10>Wait a minute, I think you misinterpreted that she says

1098
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:59.920
<v Speaker 10>that because he's delayed connecting to her, because what they

1099
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 10>what the imply is that they have that first that

1100
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:04.760
<v Speaker 10>first moment where she comes across the street talks to

1101
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 10>him and says, well, yeah, come on over, and then

1102
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.480
<v Speaker 10>they show you where he's not doing that, and it's

1103
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 10>implied that months go by. When he shows up, she

1104
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.320
<v Speaker 10>says that to him because she's begging him to say me,

1105
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.199
<v Speaker 10>that's actually why she says that it's not it's not

1106
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 10>an insult, it's a well it took you, it took

1107
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:22.119
<v Speaker 10>you long enough.

1108
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 8>I get all that.

1109
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:25.920
<v Speaker 9>I'm just saying that I wish they had done just

1110
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:28.599
<v Speaker 9>a little more to show that that's not the only

1111
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.480
<v Speaker 9>reason he's going into a synagongue.

1112
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:33.599
<v Speaker 6>At that moment when everyone's thinking they should die.

1113
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:34.119
<v Speaker 8>I do.

1114
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I do wonder what the intention is of of Ben's

1115
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:43.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of romantic path going forward, because it's not a significant.

1116
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Part of this movie.

1117
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:49.079
<v Speaker 2>It was a Tuesday afternoon for Natasha Leone and uh,

1118
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:54.440
<v Speaker 2>and yet Ben Grimm's efforts to find love again our legion. Like,

1119
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I love the whole concept, the conceit of Ben Grimm

1120
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 2>finding himself and find being able to be comfortable in

1121
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 2>a relationship. They've done that before and it's awesome. And

1122
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I think this movie was already packed full, and we

1123
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.679
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a lot of Johnny. I mean, Johnny's sort

1124
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 2>of a romanticizing Silver Surfer is plot, right, Like, that's

1125
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.280
<v Speaker 2>that's pot This is not plot. This is a side story,

1126
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.199
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know that we needed it. I wonder

1127
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 2>if natashe Leone is going to get a gonna get

1128
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:28.119
<v Speaker 2>a run in a later film.

1129
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It seemed like wasted space to me.

1130
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:34.199
<v Speaker 6>It seems like Kat Deennings has done well for herself

1131
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.880
<v Speaker 6>after her one, her one Marvel movie and then don't

1132
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.480
<v Speaker 6>think it's so maybe people like then she'll be back.

1133
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.679
<v Speaker 6>And it was just because even though I was very

1134
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:49.559
<v Speaker 6>obviously n Leone, she was so different than the Oh

1135
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.840
<v Speaker 6>I forgot. I forgot what a good actress you are.

1136
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:54.360
<v Speaker 6>I keep thinking that you're just playing yourself, but no.

1137
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.880
<v Speaker 2>She's wonderful. She's wonderful, and yeah, no disrespect to Natati Leone.

1138
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 2>What I wanted was more or nothing. What we got

1139
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 2>was just too much of a tease for me, for

1140
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 2>the nerds looking at you, Kyle, any of your favorite

1141
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Easter eggs? Like anything that we got in this movie.

1142
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.920
<v Speaker 2>That felt like, this is fan service, this is a

1143
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:18.599
<v Speaker 2>love note.

1144
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.360
<v Speaker 6>Well, a couple of things I haven't figured. I don't

1145
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 6>I haven't watched, Like I'm sure New Rock Stars has

1146
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.239
<v Speaker 6>a whole breakdown at this point, but apparently the actors

1147
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 6>from the from the Roger Corman are in it somewhere.

1148
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Did you see several times there's there, Yeah, there media

1149
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:37.199
<v Speaker 2>there is that what it is yeah, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, and.

1150
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 10>There's there's one of the clips when the bubbles come

1151
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 10>out where people saying thank you Fantastic for us. There

1152
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.239
<v Speaker 10>the four of them are in one of those shots,

1153
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:45.519
<v Speaker 10>in addition a few other voice.

1154
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:47.079
<v Speaker 6>I knew, I knew they were somewhere, but I didn't

1155
00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:49.960
<v Speaker 6>know exactly where. That was a Herbie. Okay, So, for

1156
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:54.320
<v Speaker 6>those who don't know the sixties cartoon, the executives the

1157
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 6>time thought we can't have show a person on fire

1158
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.320
<v Speaker 6>because kids might then set themselves on fire to be

1159
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 6>like the human toy. Which so the human Torch was

1160
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 6>not allowed to be in the Fantastic four cartoon and

1161
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 6>was replaced with a colorful, cute robot named Herbie. And

1162
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:11.480
<v Speaker 6>so the fact that they actually have Herbie as a

1163
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:14.440
<v Speaker 6>character who very wally, doesn't have a voice, but is

1164
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.000
<v Speaker 6>very expressive, I thought was a nice way to have

1165
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:19.000
<v Speaker 6>him there and actually give him some stuff to do.

1166
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.519
<v Speaker 6>They give him like plot he's doing he's building the crib,

1167
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:26.079
<v Speaker 6>like he's doing all that work. And I love tape. Yes,

1168
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:32.039
<v Speaker 6>they swap out and the magnetic tape spinning nice future

1169
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.360
<v Speaker 6>classic technology thing timely comics. They do a shot of

1170
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.119
<v Speaker 6>such what we're meant to think is probably Stanley and

1171
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:42.920
<v Speaker 6>Jack Kirby in Timely Comics, which was what Marvel preecessor

1172
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:45.079
<v Speaker 6>was with the drawing boards. I'm sure there's probably some

1173
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:47.199
<v Speaker 6>original Kirby's sketches in there. If you if we go

1174
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.840
<v Speaker 6>back and look and then and then come back to

1175
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.079
<v Speaker 6>it once again, Kirby does not get enough love. Then

1176
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:53.840
<v Speaker 6>if you say the end credits, you find out the

1177
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:56.000
<v Speaker 6>reason it's called eight to eight is because that is

1178
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:58.719
<v Speaker 6>Jack Kirby's birthday. That is why this is a two eight.

1179
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.239
<v Speaker 6>So I thought that was a you know, it would

1180
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 6>be nice if they had done a little bit more

1181
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 6>like in the movie rather than like making weight through

1182
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:07.679
<v Speaker 6>all the other people, to be like, hey, this is

1183
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.360
<v Speaker 6>the guy who literally created the look for all these characters.

1184
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.760
<v Speaker 6>But something's better than nothing, and it is progress that

1185
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:17.679
<v Speaker 6>Marvel is making and acknowledging their creators. And it's a

1186
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:19.199
<v Speaker 6>big list at the end of people who have made

1187
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.960
<v Speaker 6>significant runs in Fantasico and done into good job, which

1188
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 6>I thought was ships that Darsky was really shocked that

1189
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 6>his name was in it. Yeah, it was, like I was.

1190
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:29.719
<v Speaker 6>But so those are my favorites.

1191
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:30.760
<v Speaker 8>If I can jumptory in there.

1192
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.039
<v Speaker 9>I thought that was particularly nice because granted, Stanley isn't

1193
00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:36.239
<v Speaker 9>alive anymore, but for so long, like Stanley was in

1194
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.159
<v Speaker 9>so many Marvel movies in some way or another, and

1195
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.079
<v Speaker 9>so and I always have felt that, like it really

1196
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 9>has felt like Stanley Jack Kirby and so having this

1197
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 9>movie specifically call out, uh Kirby.

1198
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and this is the most Kirby thing we've ever seen,

1199
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 6>Like this is closest to his original design. I mean,

1200
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.000
<v Speaker 6>Michael check was like to define job, but like his

1201
00:58:58.119 --> 00:58:59.599
<v Speaker 6>costume was not great.

1202
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.119
<v Speaker 9>I heard that Ben Graham is kind of the closest

1203
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 9>that Kirby has ever come to putting himself into a

1204
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:04.880
<v Speaker 9>comic book.

1205
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that if they had gone any more hard

1206
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 2>on Kirby fandom, they would have just c ged Kirby

1207
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>for a Canada, which.

1208
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:20.639
<v Speaker 6>I think I would not have hated it, you know,

1209
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:22.559
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, stan Lee got that mural in

1210
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Speaker 6>was it far from Home or whatever? Like the thing,

1211
00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, like I can't have a big Kirby up there.

1212
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 2>But how about So we talked briefly about the music.

1213
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 2>The music is a slam dunk. I think this is

1214
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:39.039
<v Speaker 2>ghost score is extraordinary, and I wish, I wish.

1215
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:41.039
<v Speaker 6>We had gotten that movie the Mother. Michael Chikino was

1216
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:42.119
<v Speaker 6>the scoring That's.

1217
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:46.079
<v Speaker 2>The movie I wanted for sure, because he was, yeah,

1218
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you know as a whole that that's the movie I wanted.

1219
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 2>But I do want to talk about the look of

1220
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 2>the film, because you know, we're just coming off of Superman,

1221
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.639
<v Speaker 2>which had color and light, and that was beautiful. This

1222
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:57.599
<v Speaker 2>had a kind of color and light. Then I think

1223
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.360
<v Speaker 2>we're accustomed to this retro sixty thing, these color coded

1224
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.480
<v Speaker 2>labs and the pastels and the angles and curves. I

1225
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.239
<v Speaker 2>think we're really really lovely. I think the visual sequences,

1226
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:11.800
<v Speaker 2>the production design, I would die to live in their place.

1227
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.800
<v Speaker 2>What do you think of the general look and feel

1228
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:17.159
<v Speaker 2>of this world?

1229
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 8>It's incredible.

1230
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:24.119
<v Speaker 10>The main area in the tower where they work, the

1231
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:28.400
<v Speaker 10>three sections, the classroom, how it's color coded, absolutely incredible.

1232
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:30.480
<v Speaker 10>You definitely realize though, I think this is the same

1233
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:34.519
<v Speaker 10>production designer from Loki, So the TVA has very similar

1234
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.559
<v Speaker 10>which I thought that was actually great because it's almost

1235
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.840
<v Speaker 10>like you're starting to connect the threads and I think

1236
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:45.360
<v Speaker 10>that's actually good, just incredible. I mean, the times Square,

1237
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:50.440
<v Speaker 10>the vehicle design, the rocket like it's just it's a

1238
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.280
<v Speaker 10>gorgeous space that you want to actually live in. I

1239
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.559
<v Speaker 10>will tell you if anybody ever went. I know there's

1240
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.280
<v Speaker 10>some of the groups that are working like on using

1241
01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:59.320
<v Speaker 10>some of the three D engines. I would love to

1242
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.039
<v Speaker 10>just explore this in a in a in a virtual reality.

1243
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Zillow had a promotion where you could tour the Baxter

1244
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.400
<v Speaker 2>building in like on the Vision Pro for example. I

1245
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.599
<v Speaker 2>think you could get a tour, but I'm not sure.

1246
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't do it.

1247
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:18.440
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I think the best compliment I can make

1248
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:20.679
<v Speaker 9>to The Visual Stylist movie is that I came home

1249
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:22.000
<v Speaker 9>and one of the first things I did was one

1250
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:23.880
<v Speaker 9>of the closest things I think you can do to

1251
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:25.239
<v Speaker 9>tourny the Visual Stylist movie.

1252
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:26.239
<v Speaker 8>I booted up Falling.

1253
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:31.039
<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, because and I think about it. I think

1254
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:33.400
<v Speaker 9>there's a robot like thing that's very much like Herbie

1255
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:35.480
<v Speaker 9>in that, and it's those don't play the video game.

1256
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:39.920
<v Speaker 9>It's about a post nuclear holocaust kind of world, but

1257
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:43.400
<v Speaker 9>where uh it happened in the nineteen sixties, and so

1258
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:47.280
<v Speaker 9>everything is kind of like nineteen sixties futuristic and yeah,

1259
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:50.639
<v Speaker 9>I just I love that idea. It reminded me a

1260
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.679
<v Speaker 9>lot about it, and you've seen this kind of dating me.

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01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.920
<v Speaker 9>But Sky Captain in the World of Tomorrow, that's much

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01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:01.079
<v Speaker 9>more like nineteen twenties vision of the future. But yeah,

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01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:03.920
<v Speaker 9>our deco incredible stuff. So yeah, I just thought the

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01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:08.400
<v Speaker 9>visual was great. I thought, like, I wanted Galactys to

1265
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:09.800
<v Speaker 9>be a lot bigger for him to make sense, But

1266
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.280
<v Speaker 9>I thought the visuals of him, those eyes were so

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01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:13.400
<v Speaker 9>powerfully done.

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<v Speaker 8>Why is goat to say, spaceship? Can I ask you dumb,

1269
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:22.599
<v Speaker 8>protestially dumb question. Yeah, she's got to eat, He's got

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01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:22.920
<v Speaker 8>to eat.

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01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:28.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's like the ship transforms the planet into the

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01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.280
<v Speaker 6>food that sustained a culture. Yeah, that's what it is.

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01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 6>He doesn't literally just like you know, like like eat

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01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:34.840
<v Speaker 6>the planet like with his mouth.

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01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:37.639
<v Speaker 8>So wait, that's a great question. Yeah, so hold on.

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01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:38.159
<v Speaker 8>Two questions.

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01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:40.960
<v Speaker 10>I have one, what do they do with the ship

1278
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.079
<v Speaker 10>that's now in orbit of the Earth?

1279
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:46.360
<v Speaker 8>And what happens to Galactus? What does he do?

1280
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:48.920
<v Speaker 10>Is he just like land somewhere on a planet across

1281
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:50.280
<v Speaker 10>the universe, chomping on.

1282
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 8>A on a daisy field, Like, what's happening?

1283
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:55.480
<v Speaker 6>He landed on the planet that Thanos ended up on

1284
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:57.960
<v Speaker 6>at the end, of inf anymore, just like now he's

1285
01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.960
<v Speaker 6>a farmer growing giant mellow.

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01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:04.320
<v Speaker 10>But I had a lot of questions, a lot of questions.

1287
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.079
<v Speaker 6>But none of them will be answered because it's all

1288
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 6>getting wiped away, is it.

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01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:11.639
<v Speaker 9>It's the scale of glackness everything else about what should

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01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:13.559
<v Speaker 9>be in the comics, because the way I've heard about him,

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01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:15.159
<v Speaker 9>I always thought he was like big enough to like

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01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:16.000
<v Speaker 9>pop up planet.

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01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:19.000
<v Speaker 6>No, no, this is I think I think that I'm

1294
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:21.719
<v Speaker 6>sure they he should be a little bit bigger. But

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01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.079
<v Speaker 6>like this is about right, like in terms of in

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01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.880
<v Speaker 6>terms of like like standing and looking up. It was

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01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 6>in the his first appearance, which I thought they were

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01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:31.519
<v Speaker 6>going to do, read comes up with something called the

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01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:33.559
<v Speaker 6>Ultimate nulla fire which I keep waiting for to show

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01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:35.920
<v Speaker 6>up in an MCU thing And basically it's a little

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01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:39.639
<v Speaker 6>click thing. But what it does is it destroys whatever

1302
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:43.960
<v Speaker 6>you're looking at and you So that's what Reid stands

1303
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.119
<v Speaker 6>up to him and goes, okay, look I have this,

1304
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.119
<v Speaker 6>and you can like you scan it, know what it is.

1305
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.559
<v Speaker 6>I will kill you and myself. And that's what gets

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01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:56.800
<v Speaker 6>Galactos to be like, okay, Earth off the menu, Like

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01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 6>that's the and of course he comes back many times.

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01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.480
<v Speaker 6>But I thought that was a great thing in terms

1309
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:04.519
<v Speaker 6>of red being, like I'm willing to absolutely wipe myself

1310
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:07.400
<v Speaker 6>from existence, like not just I don't die, like I

1311
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.239
<v Speaker 6>am stricken from all existence and you will be too.

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01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.280
<v Speaker 6>But you know, I'm sure it'll show up at some point.

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01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.199
<v Speaker 9>But he needs the spaceship more as a multi because

1314
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.400
<v Speaker 9>he did see him like this, you know, interdimensional mortal being.

1315
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:23.519
<v Speaker 9>But you can't like just coach through space on your own.

1316
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:26.119
<v Speaker 9>He needs the ship to Yeah, I.

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01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:27.679
<v Speaker 6>Don't think, I mean, I don't think wherever they if

1318
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:31.320
<v Speaker 6>he's in open space, but he's still alive, so he's

1319
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:33.119
<v Speaker 6>out there, so he doesn't I don't think he ever

1320
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:37.239
<v Speaker 6>really like dies dies, but he obviously doesn't have this.

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01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:39.320
<v Speaker 2>No, and I imagine we're going to come back to

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01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:40.679
<v Speaker 2>him at some point, right.

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01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:45.159
<v Speaker 8>No, wait, wait wait wait, what do you mean?

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01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:50.719
<v Speaker 6>Okay, So the next movie is called Avengers Doomsday. The

1325
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:53.440
<v Speaker 6>movie after that is called Avenger's Secret Wars. If you

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01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.719
<v Speaker 6>follow the due Secret War stuff, all of this is

1327
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.840
<v Speaker 6>going away. It's all going so this world eight to

1328
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.519
<v Speaker 6>eight will we'll probably net we'll we'll probably see it.

1329
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.559
<v Speaker 6>In the opening scene of Doomsday and then it will

1330
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.840
<v Speaker 6>be wiped from existence, along with six nineteen ninety nine

1331
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.559
<v Speaker 6>and the Fox Verse and all of it. It's all

1332
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:18.199
<v Speaker 6>going away. So so man, update your resumes, packed up

1333
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.559
<v Speaker 6>your stuff because it's all going away.

1334
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:22.880
<v Speaker 10>So hold on a second, because you now you raised

1335
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:26.079
<v Speaker 10>a great point. They're already talking about they had destroyed

1336
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.000
<v Speaker 10>the set like they're they're filming on that set right now.

1337
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:30.719
<v Speaker 8>Well, well.

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01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:34.880
<v Speaker 6>That's it. That's this is my this is my as

1339
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 6>fan theory, nerd theory. I have no I have no

1340
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:40.519
<v Speaker 6>evidence of this. I don't I don't dig into spoilers.

1341
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.760
<v Speaker 9>Anything know what doomsday means. But I think that the

1342
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.960
<v Speaker 9>fact that they're going directly from this into Avengers movies, well,

1343
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.039
<v Speaker 9>Spider Man, I would love to think there's gonna be

1344
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:53.599
<v Speaker 9>a you know, Fantastic four to two and three, but

1345
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:56.159
<v Speaker 9>I don't think there's going to be in part because

1346
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:58.840
<v Speaker 9>this isn't Chris Evans at the start of his career.

1347
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:01.480
<v Speaker 9>You're not going to get Pedro Pascal to sign a

1348
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:04.960
<v Speaker 9>ten movie deal because he's got Star Wars and he's

1349
01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:08.400
<v Speaker 9>got Last of Us, and he's got Saving Transgender World

1350
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:09.599
<v Speaker 9>because he's an amazing advocate.

1351
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:11.880
<v Speaker 8>He's just got like everybody wants to.

1352
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:13.440
<v Speaker 9>He's got to be in Star Trek at some point,

1353
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:15.960
<v Speaker 9>like he's got to complete the whole geek thing.

1354
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:18.559
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to get too into like we could

1355
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:20.400
<v Speaker 6>have a we can have a separate like fan theory

1356
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:22.199
<v Speaker 6>about like what I think is going to happen.

1357
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:23.159
<v Speaker 3>But if they.

1358
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Follow, that's all I really want to do right now, Kyle,

1359
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:28.119
<v Speaker 2>because you just said it, ok I just want to.

1360
01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:31.159
<v Speaker 2>I just you don't you honestly don't think that Figian

1361
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:35.039
<v Speaker 2>team could find a way to bring Coractice.

1362
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:40.519
<v Speaker 6>Yes, will No, I think Glacus is gone forever. Okay,

1363
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 6>So all right, so then you know, consider this fan

1364
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.159
<v Speaker 6>theory essentially if I taking for what I know the

1365
01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:48.480
<v Speaker 6>MCU and the comic books, what's going to happen in

1366
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:51.679
<v Speaker 6>the opening scene of Avengers dooms Day is we're going

1367
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:53.559
<v Speaker 6>to meet Doctor Doom, who's going to look a lot

1368
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.559
<v Speaker 6>like Iron Man Tony Stark, but no one's gonna know

1369
01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 6>that because Tony Stark doesn'ts in this world. He's going

1370
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:01.199
<v Speaker 6>to meet Franklin Richards, who can has the power to

1371
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:05.199
<v Speaker 6>literally rewrite reality. He is going to take that power

1372
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:08.599
<v Speaker 6>from Franklin Richards and rewrite reality where he is now

1373
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:14.639
<v Speaker 6>the supreme Being and rules everything, and that's ruling the multiverse,

1374
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:19.400
<v Speaker 6>so it's all going away. So there will be probably

1375
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:22.840
<v Speaker 6>at the end of Doomsday will be Doctor Doom wiping

1376
01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:26.880
<v Speaker 6>everyone from existence and rebooting it with him as God,

1377
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:30.760
<v Speaker 6>and Secret Wars will be everyone going hey, wait, this

1378
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:32.280
<v Speaker 6>isn't how reality is supposed to be. As we're going

1379
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:36.480
<v Speaker 6>to the opening scene of a maned Secret Wars in

1380
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:40.800
<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty eight or whatever it is, will be doom World,

1381
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.079
<v Speaker 6>and we're because it's already been in the comics, and

1382
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:46.039
<v Speaker 6>we're gonna have Doom as supreme being, and everyone will

1383
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:49.039
<v Speaker 6>think that it has always been this way. Doom has

1384
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:53.079
<v Speaker 6>always been our protector, our ruler, our god. And then

1385
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:56.800
<v Speaker 6>the human all the every character from every Marvel movie

1386
01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:59.800
<v Speaker 6>that Disney owns will come together and start going, hey wait,

1387
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.320
<v Speaker 6>I don't think this is actually how it's supposed to be. Uh,

1388
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:05.760
<v Speaker 6>And then there will be the revolution, and then at

1389
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:10.159
<v Speaker 6>the end of the Avengers Secret Wars, a new universe

1390
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:14.719
<v Speaker 6>will be born, which will have Mutants and Spider Man

1391
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.399
<v Speaker 6>and X Men and all of them in one and

1392
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:21.640
<v Speaker 6>Fantastic four in one harmonious timeline. You will never see

1393
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:22.319
<v Speaker 6>Loki again.

1394
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:28.960
<v Speaker 2>The Rusas are doing End Game Infinity War again with

1395
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Tony playing Doctor Doom this time in or and he's

1396
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the fanos of the two movies, yes.

1397
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:40.079
<v Speaker 6>But but but on an even grander scale, and that

1398
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:42.359
<v Speaker 6>he's going to be like trimming off every piece of

1399
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.039
<v Speaker 6>the multi person. So we're going to have one harmonious

1400
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:49.000
<v Speaker 6>timeline of all of the previous Fox and Disney and

1401
01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:52.640
<v Speaker 6>every movies and animated thing in one and so this

1402
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:55.039
<v Speaker 6>eight one eight, eight to eight will no longer exist

1403
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:57.760
<v Speaker 6>and the Fantastic Four will always have been part of

1404
01:08:57.880 --> 01:08:59.399
<v Speaker 6>the MCC There are those.

1405
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Of us who think that can't come too soon. I'm

1406
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:04.359
<v Speaker 2>so done with Multiverse. If they need to do a

1407
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:07.199
<v Speaker 2>billion dollars worth of movie that's from under it.

1408
01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:09.199
<v Speaker 6>That that's what we're going to that's what they're going

1409
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:09.520
<v Speaker 6>to do.

1410
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:11.800
<v Speaker 10>So so, so what you're saying is that in that

1411
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:15.479
<v Speaker 10>post credit scene, he's he's healing, he's healing his.

1412
01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:17.479
<v Speaker 6>Face, so when he turns around, he won't be the

1413
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:18.439
<v Speaker 6>scar Doctor Doom.

1414
01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:23.439
<v Speaker 8>He will be I'm like, wow, you may be right.

1415
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.039
<v Speaker 10>Okay, shout out to my nephew Mitchell, because that's this

1416
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 10>will break his heart to hear this, he's a big

1417
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:28.720
<v Speaker 10>Galactus fan.

1418
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:30.000
<v Speaker 5>Wow.

1419
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:31.840
<v Speaker 8>Okay, that's all right.

1420
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I want to bet that that

1421
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:34.600
<v Speaker 2>sounds really.

1422
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:36.600
<v Speaker 3>It's upset.

1423
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:39.199
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's it's a that's just me pulling from

1424
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:43.159
<v Speaker 6>multiple things and putting them all into it because and

1425
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.880
<v Speaker 6>that's that's the way I would sort of see it structuring.

1426
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:47.000
<v Speaker 8>Here's the deal.

1427
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:48.920
<v Speaker 10>The fact that they were not on that ship that's

1428
01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:51.560
<v Speaker 10>in the post credit scene of Thunderbolts really threw me.

1429
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.880
<v Speaker 6>So because that's what's gonna He's gonna take the power

1430
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:57.680
<v Speaker 6>and go and they'll have to chase him because the

1431
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:01.119
<v Speaker 6>the what the Sacred Timeline is based in Earth.

1432
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.439
<v Speaker 8>Okay, I don't know how I feel about that, but

1433
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.399
<v Speaker 8>I want to see it. Yeah, I am up for

1434
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:10.319
<v Speaker 8>being surprised.

1435
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:12.119
<v Speaker 9>But like all the things that people have told me

1436
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:13.760
<v Speaker 9>that make me really excited about doctor Doom.

1437
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.399
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's when they said the empty chair for Latviia,

1438
01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.560
<v Speaker 6>I was like, oh, which I really wanted to meet

1439
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:24.079
<v Speaker 6>Doom and have him like even to be like, hey, read,

1440
01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:26.439
<v Speaker 6>I see you're going to play the planet not without me,

1441
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:27.800
<v Speaker 6>But no.

1442
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:30.159
<v Speaker 10>Hey, I have to I have two quick things I

1443
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:33.439
<v Speaker 10>do want to mention. One did anybody feel like the

1444
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:36.560
<v Speaker 10>final scene before the credits of them trying to get

1445
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.960
<v Speaker 10>the baby seat in the car, wait, can I can

1446
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.159
<v Speaker 10>I honestly make a hot take on that I needed

1447
01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.399
<v Speaker 10>to see more of that kind of humor in the

1448
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.239
<v Speaker 10>movie or else cut that scene or.

1449
01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:51.159
<v Speaker 6>Move it like move it yes for the earlier on.

1450
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that seemed odd.

1451
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:57.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the family squabbling is fundamental to Fantastic four.

1452
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:01.159
<v Speaker 9>I would just say to you Rob as someone who

1453
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:06.920
<v Speaker 9>eight days ago had done that struggle in ninety degree

1454
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:10.760
<v Speaker 9>heat with my baby crying, and like I was all

1455
01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:14.479
<v Speaker 9>trying because yeah, I had not related to a scene

1456
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:17.760
<v Speaker 9>in a movie more, and I did love that car nuts.

1457
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:21.079
<v Speaker 6>No, true, I was gonna looking at the screen of

1458
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:25.239
<v Speaker 6>going like Rob has the farthest from that, and then

1459
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.720
<v Speaker 6>Pete and then me and now Matthew right away right.

1460
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:31.800
<v Speaker 10>I will say though that that I accept that, but

1461
01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:34.640
<v Speaker 10>not in a movie where the main character can teleport things.

1462
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:36.800
<v Speaker 8>I mean, you seem like he would have a better

1463
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:37.399
<v Speaker 8>solution to that.

1464
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:40.479
<v Speaker 10>So anyway, it just seemed God, okay, so real quick

1465
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.560
<v Speaker 10>the whole thing, I will say, did anybody else just

1466
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:46.479
<v Speaker 10>get freaked out at the crazy coincidences between this movie

1467
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:51.039
<v Speaker 10>and Superman. Both movies celebrate, celebrate the silver Golden Asia comics.

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<v Speaker 10>The feel female lead steals the show, the public terms

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<v Speaker 10>on the antagonist, the funny non human sidekick steals some scenes,

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<v Speaker 10>and black.

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<v Speaker 8>Holes saved the day.

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<v Speaker 6>Interesting, there's probably more like the sky Hole.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean would say the most obvious. The most obvious

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<v Speaker 9>to me is they're both fundamentally about hope. They're both

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<v Speaker 9>fundamentally about like to me, the Fantastic Four are. They're

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01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.680
<v Speaker 9>not dark and gritty. And I I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 9>a crazy conspiracy because James Gunn worked with Marvel for

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01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:24.840
<v Speaker 9>a long time before going over there, and I would

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<v Speaker 9>not you know, I I don't think this was like

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<v Speaker 9>some secret.

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<v Speaker 8>I think probably the people making this movie. We're friends

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<v Speaker 8>with James Gunn.

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01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:35.000
<v Speaker 9>We're talking and like, like, it's not that I think

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01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:36.880
<v Speaker 9>that they were like, let's have these two movies be similar.

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<v Speaker 9>It's that I think they were both recognizing the public

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01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:44.239
<v Speaker 9>is really sick of dark and gritty and wants hope

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01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:48.279
<v Speaker 9>and wants family and wants lightheartedness.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so I think you're correct.

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<v Speaker 9>The coincidence between them are ridiculous, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 9>it's coincidence.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's it's both of them responding to.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody's drawing out the same idea. Well, they just happened

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<v Speaker 6>to yeah, write. Okay, we got to wrap it up,

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01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:03.520
<v Speaker 6>you guys. And you know, this is what we do

1495
01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:06.560
<v Speaker 6>when it comes time to turn the corner. We visit

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01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:08.840
<v Speaker 6>our friends at letterbox dot com, letterbox dot com slights

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01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.079
<v Speaker 6>the next real that's where all of the reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>And stars and hearts are corraled. We pick our stars

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01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:18.399
<v Speaker 2>and hearts from that corral and we apply them to

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<v Speaker 2>the movie. And as you know, there's a limited number

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01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:22.479
<v Speaker 2>of stars and hearts, so you got to make sure

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01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:23.920
<v Speaker 2>you take it from another movie. If you give it

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01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to this. That's my only that's my rule. Nobody else is.

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01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:31.039
<v Speaker 2>That's fine, you do you all right, let's see how

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01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:33.239
<v Speaker 2>about let's start with Rob, Rob.

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01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:33.840
<v Speaker 3>What are you gonna do?

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01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:36.720
<v Speaker 8>Heart? Of course, of course. And what's what I got?

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01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:41.039
<v Speaker 2>I got five stars, half stars count h four Okay,

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01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:43.800
<v Speaker 2>it's healthy, healthy.

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01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:44.720
<v Speaker 8>Good stuff is really good.

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01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:46.119
<v Speaker 6>Good stuff is really good.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, Matthew, I'm gonna solid three and a half and

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01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:54.800
<v Speaker 9>and my my tagline for that is, I'm really excited

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01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:56.000
<v Speaker 9>to see these characters again.

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01:13:56.119 --> 01:13:58.520
<v Speaker 8>I'm not super psyched up to watch this movie again.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go. I think that's assessment, Kyle.

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01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:03.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that is well said, and I agree. So heart

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01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.039
<v Speaker 6>and three and a half stars for me as well,

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01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:09.319
<v Speaker 6>it's it's I enjoyed it, and there was some unbelievable

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01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:13.399
<v Speaker 6>standout moments for me, and then a lot of choices

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01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:15.119
<v Speaker 6>where I was like, can we just pick up and

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01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:16.640
<v Speaker 6>move can we just move along?

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01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:21.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Pasically, I'm not gonna say I loved it,

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01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:24.720
<v Speaker 2>but I am going to be I'm surprised that Rob

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01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:27.800
<v Speaker 2>came in with a four. I'm going to be on

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01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:31.279
<v Speaker 2>team Rob. Four stars and a heart. I really enjoyed it.

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01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it is a one of the better of

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01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:38.319
<v Speaker 2>the crop of Marvel entries right now. And I'm this

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01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:40.800
<v Speaker 2>could have been a disaster. And let me just say

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01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:42.800
<v Speaker 2>the one thing I had not said very true.

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01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:43.920
<v Speaker 6>That is very true.

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01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:49.199
<v Speaker 2>That I saw the stretch effects in the trailers and

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01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:52.800
<v Speaker 2>was unmoved. I thought that's going to be the thing

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01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:56.479
<v Speaker 2>that's going to destroy this movie, and it did not.

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01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:59.479
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think about it at all. I thought it

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01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:03.239
<v Speaker 2>was when it was used. It was used defectively and quickly,

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01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:06.119
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't stop and let you look too closely

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01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:09.359
<v Speaker 2>at it until he starts get a Galactus stretches him

1539
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:11.560
<v Speaker 2>at the end, and the fabric starts ripping on the suit.

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01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:14.960
<v Speaker 2>That was a great moment and earned and then they

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01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:19.359
<v Speaker 2>moved on. So I feel like maybe the technology has

1542
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:21.800
<v Speaker 2>just caught up with what we needed to make Read

1543
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Richards actually look cool on screen.

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01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:25.800
<v Speaker 9>Although I would say I think one of the most

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01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.239
<v Speaker 9>brilliant choices was we never saw a zoom in on

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01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:33.079
<v Speaker 9>that moment. We watched Galactus hold him apart from fairly

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01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:33.800
<v Speaker 9>far away.

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01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:34.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we did.

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01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:37.000
<v Speaker 9>We get very close, and I thought that was also

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01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:40.000
<v Speaker 9>really important because I don't think we have the technology

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01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:42.399
<v Speaker 9>to make it really look like he's that I thought

1552
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:44.000
<v Speaker 9>keeping us fairly far away in that shot.

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01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:46.359
<v Speaker 10>Just remember this is why Alasta Girl is still the best.

1554
01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:47.479
<v Speaker 10>Mister Fantastic I was.

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01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:51.800
<v Speaker 6>I was just so rob What is the best Fantastic

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01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:52.760
<v Speaker 6>Four movie you ever made?

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01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Incredibly incredible? Okay, this has been great, y'all.

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01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so so much for the quick turn around,

1559
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:03.680
<v Speaker 2>for seeing the movie, for being here on the film board,

1560
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.720
<v Speaker 2>and make sure everybody listening to check out the shows

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01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:11.119
<v Speaker 2>of the Ethical Panda on True Story FM, Superhero Ethics,

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01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:16.319
<v Speaker 2>and Matthew, are you recording shows yet or are you

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01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:17.640
<v Speaker 2>still full on break?

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01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:20.159
<v Speaker 8>Yeah? So I have been in a hiatus.

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01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:23.199
<v Speaker 9>We're not gonna start posting things probably again until probably September,

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01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:25.640
<v Speaker 9>although we did do a review of Superman that it

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01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:27.600
<v Speaker 9>will be posting. That is, we're focusing on the ethical

1568
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:31.359
<v Speaker 9>cut questions, all the stuff that the cowards weren't willing

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01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:33.880
<v Speaker 9>to wrestle with. I don't know, I've not listened to

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01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:36.760
<v Speaker 9>your recording on it yet, but but yeah, we starting

1571
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.279
<v Speaker 9>in September. We'll even hitting the ground running with the

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01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:44.159
<v Speaker 9>Superhero Ethics podcast, the star Wars Universe podcast, Star Wars Generations,

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01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:48.199
<v Speaker 9>and a new parenting podcast coming with myself, Pete Wright

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01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:49.039
<v Speaker 9>and Mandy Capper.

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01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Very exciting. It's very exciting.

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01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:53.199
<v Speaker 2>One day it will release and we love it.

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01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:55.159
<v Speaker 9>And then there's a Marvel Movie minute where Pete is

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01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:57.319
<v Speaker 9>trying really hard to get me to like Thoor two.

1579
01:16:57.239 --> 01:16:58.359
<v Speaker 8>But we're doing.

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01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:00.359
<v Speaker 3>It's an able fight.

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01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:00.760
<v Speaker 6>We are.

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01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.720
<v Speaker 2>We are showing up every week, uh and lost in

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01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:07.159
<v Speaker 2>the dark world. This is a good show to have

1584
01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:11.880
<v Speaker 2>all of us here, talk us Marvel people, because you

1585
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:15.640
<v Speaker 2>know we have movies yet accounted for in the MCU

1586
01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:20.239
<v Speaker 2>and all we're doing. Me and Matthew, we're the ones

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01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.680
<v Speaker 2>who stepped up to keep this show going because you

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01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:27.479
<v Speaker 2>turn decided not to. You couldn't stand thor we did

1589
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:29.960
<v Speaker 2>thor so you wouldn't have to do your welcome.

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01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:30.960
<v Speaker 3>That's all I'm saying.

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01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.439
<v Speaker 6>We're still recovering from our extremists.

1592
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:38.560
<v Speaker 2>You are, You're not wrong, You're not wrong, and we suck.

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01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Let's see Rob.

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01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:42.239
<v Speaker 2>So Rob is on hiatus himself. While we are not

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01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:44.680
<v Speaker 2>recording Marvel movie minute, I am.

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01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:47.560
<v Speaker 10>Working on a video series on for LinkedIn called Workplace

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01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:50.159
<v Speaker 10>Treasures that, for those of you who don't know, my

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01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:51.640
<v Speaker 10>workplace is sort.

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01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:53.920
<v Speaker 8>Of like a pop culture cracker barrel, or at.

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01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.760
<v Speaker 10>Least old cracker barrel, and I am doing a tour

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01:17:56.840 --> 01:18:00.880
<v Speaker 10>of the stories of everything Kyle knows. Actually yes, yeah,

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01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:02.600
<v Speaker 10>I mean like so I'm working on I'm deep in

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01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:04.720
<v Speaker 10>production on excellent. All right, where to come soon?

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01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:07.560
<v Speaker 2>That sounds really great? And Kyle, what do you want

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01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:09.119
<v Speaker 2>to You've got so many things? What are you going

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01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:09.680
<v Speaker 2>to talk about?

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01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:12.439
<v Speaker 6>I do have some anythings. But well, before I sort

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01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.199
<v Speaker 6>of get to my plugs, I wanted to give some

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01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:17.760
<v Speaker 6>shout outs to people who if they watched this and

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01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:21.000
<v Speaker 6>would like to do some comics. A couple of small recommendations.

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01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:25.079
<v Speaker 6>There was a Thing series written by Dan Slott that

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01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:28.079
<v Speaker 6>was just a solo the Thing, just hanging out and

1613
01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:30.079
<v Speaker 6>hanging out with his friends and playing poker with Captain

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01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.800
<v Speaker 6>America and stuff too. It's it's just a fun great series,

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01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:35.560
<v Speaker 6>got canceled way too soon. I highly recommend that. And

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01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:37.479
<v Speaker 6>if you want to just jump into Fantastic four, I

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01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:42.800
<v Speaker 6>highly recommend Mark Wade and Mark and Ringo. I can't

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01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:48.680
<v Speaker 6>wear Ringo. They did an incredible run and we lost

1619
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:52.640
<v Speaker 6>Ringo way too soon. He died young. But his artwork

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01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:55.520
<v Speaker 6>is incredible. He does some of the most amazing Fantastic

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01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:58.279
<v Speaker 6>Four art you've seen. And so that is a great

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01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:00.640
<v Speaker 6>jumping on point because it was designed for people who

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01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:02.960
<v Speaker 6>sort of don't kind of know the characters a little bit,

1624
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.800
<v Speaker 6>but it gets right into it and they at one

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01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:08.039
<v Speaker 6>point they meet God. I mean, it's it's it's an

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01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:11.279
<v Speaker 6>incredible it's it's so much fun, and it's it's such

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01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:15.800
<v Speaker 6>a going through the crazy, crazy world. And also Ryan

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01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:17.439
<v Speaker 6>North just did a recent run on it too. I

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01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:19.039
<v Speaker 6>didn't love it as much as a lot of people

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01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:21.760
<v Speaker 6>I did, but I love Ryan North. So I recommend

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01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:23.600
<v Speaker 6>checking those those out if you want to just find

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01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.119
<v Speaker 6>a jumping on point, because Fantastic four obviously has a

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01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:30.319
<v Speaker 6>huge publishing history. And then for me, I would say, though,

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01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:31.680
<v Speaker 6>what I would talk about was the one I do

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01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:35.279
<v Speaker 6>with Pete. We have a show called Craft and Chaos

1636
01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:39.039
<v Speaker 6>where we talk about how we can as artists, how

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01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:40.960
<v Speaker 6>we stay inspired when it feels like the world is

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01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:44.319
<v Speaker 6>on fire. We do that with two other artists, Misty

1639
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:49.159
<v Speaker 6>and Ryan Dalton, and we Missy Stinnett and Ryan Dalton.

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01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:50.399
<v Speaker 6>They got to get their full names in there or

1641
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:53.840
<v Speaker 6>else they'll come at me in our in our thread.

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01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:56.319
<v Speaker 6>And then we're having a lot of fun and talking

1643
01:19:56.319 --> 01:20:01.159
<v Speaker 6>about sort of things like writer's block and imposters and

1644
01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:05.520
<v Speaker 6>also having getting really really silly. So it's a good time.

1645
01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:09.119
<v Speaker 6>It's sort of like a campfire hangout, getting together just

1646
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:12.640
<v Speaker 6>with other artists just to commiserate as we're all trying

1647
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:14.600
<v Speaker 6>to make something in a world that does not want

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01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:16.000
<v Speaker 6>to see or hear what we make.

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01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Love it great plug and I will say all of

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01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:22.359
<v Speaker 2>the shows that I do with you people, I plug

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01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:25.199
<v Speaker 2>those and Headstone. My new show about Legacy and the

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01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Things We leave Behind is out and available, and I

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01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:30.039
<v Speaker 2>would love it if you would check it out.

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01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:30.800
<v Speaker 8>It's just me.

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01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:32.000
<v Speaker 3>It's just me.

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01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:35.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't have anybody helping me or doing anything with it.

1657
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:39.760
<v Speaker 2>It's just me asking questions of people. And I'm really

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01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:42.680
<v Speaker 2>enjoying it. I hope they are too, the people. Kyle's

1659
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:45.279
<v Speaker 2>on it, He's coming up in a stricuture.

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01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:47.199
<v Speaker 6>If you ever wanted to hear me cry on a podcast,

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01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:48.600
<v Speaker 6>check out Headstone.

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01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's spoiler something to look forward to. And

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01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.000
<v Speaker 2>thank you everybody for your time and attention listening to

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01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:59.239
<v Speaker 2>this show. Whether you agreed, disagreed, or just came here

1665
01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:01.399
<v Speaker 2>to shout at your phone, we appreciate you. If you

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01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:03.840
<v Speaker 2>had fun, don't forget to join the conversation on the

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01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:07.039
<v Speaker 2>discord at true story dot fm, slash Discord. And if

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01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:09.439
<v Speaker 2>you really love what we do, become a supporting member

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01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:12.640
<v Speaker 2>at true story dot fm, slash Join for the perks

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<v Speaker 2>AND's it for all of us. Matthew Fox, Rob Kvasco,

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01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Olson, I'm Pete Wright.

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<v Speaker 3>Meeting adjourned