WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.000 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.639 Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors, 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:11.080 or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion 4 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:12.119 is advised. 5 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:20.800 We got someone or something crawling around out here? 6 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:27.399 Does a legend walk among us working in the forests 7 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:28.079 of our world? 8 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.159 Did you see what it was? Was it a person 9 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:34.799 or an animal? 10 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:35.759 Or I can't go. 11 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:37.920 All I know is that my thunder light came on 12 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.960 and I get happened to glen and see this thing 13 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.359 running across the yard. A good fight man or something 14 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:44.119 works like a man. 15 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:44.960 I don't know what it was. 16 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:55.079 For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, 17 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:59.200 and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the 18 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.960 existence of this mysterious entity. 19 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:10.560 Quite Karl, Hello, get somebody out here. What's going to 20 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:13.959 announce their invention about sixty four nine? I don't know, 21 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.519 is the announcer, Yeah, I'm walking right away? 22 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:19.000 Oh okay, hand. 23 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:23.920 On, yeah, got you're big? Okay, what's he doing in 24 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:24.400 your yard? 25 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:25.799 We're gonna do you. 26 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:37.599 Join us as we continue into the investigation, of the 27 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:38.879 Sasquatch Experience. 28 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.719 And good evening everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. I'm 29 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.959 Sean the Fort Chop fork Er. That's Vance Nesbit, Henry May, 30 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:08.080 James Baker, and Matt Arner here tonight talking to you 31 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:10.800 about a very interesting subject that, you know what, we've 32 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.560 never talked about on this show before ever. I think 33 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:19.520 Henry in the history of Sasquatch Experience. Now we've got 34 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:24.000 a little pone. I think somebody's. 35 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:23.680 That was me. 36 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.120 I apologize jam Vance anyhow, so much as I love 37 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:34.960 hearing the sound of my own voice. Easy, Pilgrim, Easy, 38 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:38.439 This is my family show. Happy Saint Patrick's Day to everybody. 39 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:42.800 Aaron Gobra and I hope you're all in this. This 40 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.800 great day here, beautiful day for most of us, looks 41 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:49.199 like some of the severe weather behind most of us. 42 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.719 And just an apology to all our listeners that we've 43 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:53.960 been kind of absent for the last few weeks. I 44 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.000 think we've all been hit with every kind of flu, 45 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:58.840 every kind of stomach virus, and every own personal thing 46 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.639 we could go through the last few weeks. That's kind 47 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:04.840 of made it difficult for us all to collectively join 48 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:11.879 together and it's always better when that's the muffler man himself. 49 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:15.199 And we're just glad to be here, you know. But 50 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.039 as I was getting into this saying, we've never talked 51 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:22.080 about this before, and tonight we're going to talk about 52 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:27.280 shooting Bigfoot. We're going to talk about the Justin Smeya 53 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:32.159 incident that actually we kind of spurned by watching that 54 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:36.919 great documentary of the man who killed Bigfoot on Small 55 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:41.199 Town Monsters, which is superbly done video by Eli Watson 56 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.840 under the STM label, And if you haven't got a chance, 57 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:45.800 check that out. 58 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.520 So yeah, it's only been out for a couple of 59 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.560 weeks now, right, right, right. 60 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:53.479 We got to do our role call. We've got mister 61 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:59.159 Scott there, Scott, good to see, mister Hyde, mister Steve, welcome, Kim. 62 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.080 If you play a sas squatch and regularly water it, 63 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.599 does it grow a new one when you harvest it 64 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.360 and can tell when it's ripe? Well, if you smell 65 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:08.879 them enough, you can tell they're right. 66 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.520 That's right, And but you got to squeeze the tush. 67 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:17.560 Oh good, and a roll call so far, and of 68 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.839 course you've got other folks that we can't see. But 69 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.199 glad you are here with us tonight, so advance. Well, 70 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.240 I guess before we get started, Matt, did we want 71 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.000 to talk about some exciting stuff that we had going on. 72 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:31.079 And it's been kind of busy for you and I 73 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:34.560 in terms of intake for bigfoot sighting, so go ahead 74 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:35.879 and give us a little rundown on that. 75 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.279 Well. Uh, we actually had a couple of reports come 76 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:43.560 in that were fresh, and when I say fresh, I 77 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:47.600 mean they were they were absolutely fresh. So, uh, the 78 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:55.199 first one we jumped on really really quick, and it 79 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:58.680 was actually, uh, you know, the person had had reached 80 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.360 out to other groups as well well. And next thing, 81 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.879 you know, after I think it was twenty four hours 82 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:07.759 after we spoke to him, it was blasted all over Facebook. 83 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:13.639 So that that kind of killed our idea of going 84 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.759 up there and you know, researching in that specific area 85 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:22.879 before it really hit the public. But I was actually 86 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:26.759 just out there today out in that area, so I 87 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.959 didn't stop by that specific area, but you know, I 88 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:34.480 was out in Center County when earlier today. But the 89 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:39.839 second one's pretty interesting as well. I'm still making coordination 90 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.800 here to to do a phone interview with the witness. 91 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:49.600 He believes he saw something in his backyard and he 92 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:53.879 actually casted a track that he found it that he 93 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:59.319 found the very next day. So we're uh, you know, 94 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.040 playing email tag right now to try to set up 95 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:03.720 a time that we can now go up and see 96 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:08.839 them check out the area. It's just kind of a 97 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:14.600 strange I had been saying that between January and March 98 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.319 in this particular area we seem to have, you know, 99 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:23.879 either some sort of rewards come in and uh, it 100 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:27.920 really came through. It came through later. And that may 101 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:31.040 have been because of the you know, colder temperatures. We 102 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:35.519 actually had a real winter uh this uh this past winter, 103 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:41.120 so uh with the very end of that, and nothing's 104 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.279 really growing right now. Uh, we're just starting to see 105 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:50.439 the growing season basically start. But two weeks ago we 106 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.720 had really nothing going on. So uh, you know, if 107 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:57.360 anything's out there looking for food, they're they're going for 108 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.680 you know, the the easiest thing should be you know, 109 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:04.439 hitting maybe town dumps or where this place was. There 110 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:09.879 was a hatchery nearby, so interesting stuff. But we collect 111 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:13.319 the information. You know, we have a friend of ours 112 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:19.879 that that puts all this into basically a data format, 113 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:24.199 and yeah, we'll use that for you. 114 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:25.839 Know, trending Jerbass Place. 115 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:28.040 Absolutely checking these places out in the future. 116 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:28.439 Now. 117 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.560 You and I did interview the one witness by the 118 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.399 phone for an hour, yes, and we had a really 119 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.720 good conversation. But the hard part of it came when 120 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.199 it was blasted all over social media. The exact location, 121 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.360 by the way, not a general location, yes, and that 122 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:48.879 kind of really diminished what Matt and I felt we 123 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:50.800 could get from it. Now, I think it's still worthy 124 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.199 to go out there at some point, but I think 125 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.040 we chose to do it after it calmed down a 126 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:56.560 little bit and I had a foot thing going on 127 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.000 which prevented me from getting out there. But as the 128 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:02.879 weather's warm up a little bit, I think maybe it's 129 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.399 time we could go down, Matt Bake and check it 130 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.360 out when it's died down a little bit. Because I 131 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.839 just feel that if we go out there now, anything 132 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.439 that we're gonna we're gonna take away could possibly be 133 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:15.639 contaminated or. 134 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:20.480 I have been been told from a friend of mine 135 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.800 that lives out there that ever since that report hit Facebook, 136 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:30.839 that particular parking lot where where the witness had purchased 137 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:36.799 truck has been full day and night. Ever since that 138 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:41.000 that report was posted, So I'm sure there are plenty 139 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:46.159 of people going out there, you know, just uh yeah, 140 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.759 well it's frustrated for us, yep, yeah, absolutely, And you. 141 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.480 Know, I also reached out to the BFRO investigator on 142 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:54.720 Facebook as I set a friend request, which might be 143 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:56.559 a little off putting, but I don't have any other 144 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.440 contact for him, just to see if we could you know, 145 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.960 share note sir or whatnot. And I've gotten nothing back. 146 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:08.120 But I'm not happy at all that the area was 147 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.480 just blasted like that on social media and some people 148 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.480 should just know better, right. This isn't one of those 149 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:19.720 situations where more boots on the ground help. It's really 150 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:22.159 a lot more of more people in that area are 151 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.639 going to contaminate. And the witness was still very gun. 152 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:24.919 Oh. 153 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.279 He texted me yesterday that he's back and is still 154 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.159 in I mean he's still been in contact with me, Matt. 155 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:31.559 I hadn't had a chance to talk to you yet. 156 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.919 So he's been regular contact with me about it, which 157 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.519 is you know, telling in terms of you know, reliability 158 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.360 and credibility. He's not shying away, and I don't think 159 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.200 our reservation was ever really that this guy's not being 160 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.440 honest with us. I think it's really just all of 161 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:49.399 a sudden, we're going to have all the saturation and 162 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:50.639 it's going to be useless. 163 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:54.879 And again, when if we give an area, and out 164 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:00.320 of respect for landowners, out of respect for other people 165 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.120 that are that are in the area, we we try well, 166 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.759 if we're going to say something publicly, we're not going 167 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:11.039 to give that exact exact location. And I mean this 168 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:14.720 was put out there as to what parking lot he 169 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.480 was at, what stream he crossed, uh, you know, right 170 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.759 down to the tree that the peak was made from, 171 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.919 so uh you know. And the one thing is is 172 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.279 that we're talking about an area that's a mix of 173 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:33.759 both wooded area and farmland and so this patch of woods, 174 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.919 albeit you know, larger than what most people might be 175 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.480 but used to it, is still relatively small in that patchwork. 176 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:49.240 So if there's if there was anything that was that 177 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.440 was there, I'm sure they're long gone right by now, 178 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.320 and hopefully they didn't get picked up in the tornado 179 00:10:58.360 --> 00:10:59.519 that we just had up. 180 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.960 There right right up in the research area. 181 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:03.360 Yeah. 182 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:05.759 Absolutely, So that's our. 183 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:08.120 Research update, guys, just to kill everybody in on what's 184 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:10.279 been going on. I know our Patreon has been a 185 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.480 little active too, but we're gonna be bumping that back 186 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:15.279 up now as we're getting more out there. We've got 187 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:18.879 a lot going on again this spring into the falls, 188 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.440 we get ready for the Ohio Bigfoot Conference less than 189 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:23.759 just a little over a month away now at this point, 190 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.120 all of us going to be there about six weeks 191 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:30.919 live and in color. We're gonna be there having a 192 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.879 good old time. So check us out, hit us up, 193 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:38.120 we'll be there. So Vance, this was your show. This 194 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.679 is you wanted to hit this topic, I'm gonna throw. 195 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:40.799 It to you. 196 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:44.039 I'm gonna let you take us through this very interesting situation. 197 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:50.919 Really. Yeah, Well, let me start off by making an analogy. 198 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.840 I don't know if any of you, gentlemen, or our 199 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.679 great listening audience has ever had this type of an experience. Uh, 200 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:02.240 Let's say you go to YouTube tube and you see 201 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:05.919 a video pop up of the greatest hits of a 202 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:10.440 certain year that really affected you, like, say, for me, 203 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:15.679 nineteen seventy six. Oh, the greatest hits of nineteen seventy six. 204 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.840 Oh okay, I'm kind of in a nostalgic mood. And 205 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.840 let's so I hit play and we're listening to some 206 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.000 songs from nineteen seventy six, and then a song comes 207 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.000 on and I'm like, wait, I never heard this one before. 208 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:37.120 That's how I felt about the Justin Smeya story. I 209 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.120 never heard this story before. And I've been involved in 210 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:45.360 the big Foot community for well over twenty years now, 211 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.720 I never heard this story of the man who shot 212 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:55.320 Bigfoot and small Tom Monsters came out with a wonderful documentary. 213 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:59.879 Like you know, Sean mentioned earlier that Eli Watson narrated 214 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:07.559 and edited by Seth Breedlove, and so I'm watching this 215 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:10.360 and I'm like, wow, this is really intriguing, and so 216 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:16.320 I watched the entire documentary. Now, to be fair, there's 217 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.639 one thing about what Seth does when he comes out 218 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.080 with his documentaries is that he does not play one 219 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.200 side of the field or the other. He plays it 220 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.360 right down the middle. So he gives you the pros 221 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:31.799 and the cons. And Eli did the same thing. He's 222 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:36.120 not saying this story is factual story. He's giving you 223 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:41.200 the negatives and the positives. So the video or the 224 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:47.600 documentary rather starts out with when Justin shared his story, 225 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.519 the negative feedback that he got online of people just 226 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:55.399 calling him every name, in the book and being a 227 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.919 family friendly show, I'm not going to use some of 228 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:02.960 the profan or profound language that was used to call him. 229 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.759 But I was like, well, this is kind of interesting. 230 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.799 But I wasn't there, so I can't say the guy 231 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:12.279 is full of it or not full of it. But 232 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.440 there were three points in the video that ELI did 233 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.399 with him, and ELI said the same thing, He's not 234 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.320 going to call this a factual story or a non 235 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:29.600 factual story. They just did an interview with Justin Smeya 236 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:34.960 on his account. So I encourage our entire listening audience 237 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:40.279 to go and watch the video or the documentary from 238 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.759 Small Town Monsters because it was so well done. It's 239 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:47.120 very well done, just like everything else that you know 240 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:51.399 small Town Monsters puts out. It's a great production. But 241 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.600 this one I found kind of fascinating because I found 242 00:14:54.600 --> 00:15:01.080 three points that left me scratching my head. Its like, 243 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:07.159 I have questions here, and I'll start off with the 244 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.440 first one. And I don't want to taint to anybody's 245 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:16.120 version if they haven't watched this yet, but I just 246 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:22.639 found it kind of interesting. Justin goes through the story 247 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:30.440 of how they approached in a Bronco in the Sierra Mountains, 248 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.840 and he grew up in this environment. His father taught 249 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:39.200 him hunting and fishing, so he's part of this entire environment, 250 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.840 and that brings about a different personality to a person altogether. 251 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.240 When you grow up that way, you know somebody that 252 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.399 grows up in an urban environment, you grow up in 253 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:53.799 that environment, you know everything about it. He grew up 254 00:15:53.799 --> 00:16:01.279 in this environment. And he stated that they had tags 255 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:06.879 for deer and bear, but they were in different areas 256 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.240 to go and hunt. So they were in a deer 257 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:15.960 tag area, and they're often a very remote area, small 258 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:21.600 town monsters. Eli brought us into the area. Justin brought 259 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.559 us to the area where he said this encounter happened 260 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:30.559 where he shot a big foot, two of them, to 261 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:37.000 be precise. The first thing I took away in watching 262 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:42.960 the documentary was he said that Justin is in the 263 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:47.080 passenger seat of the Bronco. His friend is driving the Bronco. 264 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.600 Justin sees this dark image and assumes it's a bear 265 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:58.200 in the passenger seat. And what he said, he opened 266 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:02.399 the door of the Bronco and got out and put 267 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:08.279 aim on the individual. Now Justin stated he shot it 268 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.720 with a rifle, but Justin got out of the truck 269 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:18.880 and on the Small Town Monsters documentary, he's doing a 270 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:24.279 bow action. He's like, I've got it in my sight. Well, 271 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:30.200 if you're recreating the account with a rifle, why are 272 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.359 you doing a bow action? Now he is a bowl 273 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.640 hunter and a rifle hunter, but this is exactly what 274 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:38.240 he did. 275 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:39.160 Matt. 276 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:43.039 I would say to you, well, what happened while I 277 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:47.960 drew my gun and you're holding it as you're holding 278 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.960 my pistol a nine millimeters or whatever, and I shot 279 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:55.400 the guy because he was approaching me. I don't understand 280 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.519 why he used the symbology of drawing a bow and 281 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.279 arrow when he shot it with a rifle. 282 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:03.200 Mm hm. 283 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:06.079 And so I scratched my head and going, eh, that 284 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.440 doesn't really seem right to me. 285 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.559 Well, now hold on a second there, because that's okay. 286 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.440 Before we jump ahead, we get hit some of these points. 287 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:16.559 Could it have just been a natural reaction, as he 288 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:20.240 does more bow hunting than rifle hunting, you know, Could 289 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.720 it just be just playing Devil's advocate? 290 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:23.920 Right? 291 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.079 Because I think one of the thing problems I have 292 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:31.440 with the whole dismay of situation is sometimes the evidence 293 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.880 doesn't add up with the story, right, And so I think, 294 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:40.200 is this another one of these situations? Because I have 295 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.359 to say, if he's made this whole situation up and 296 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.359 it's a lie, he's a pretty damn good liar. 297 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:46.480 No. 298 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.839 No, I totally agree with you. And this is why 299 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.480 I started this off by saying, I don't know. I 300 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:54.160 wasn't there. 301 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:56.559 Well, none of us were. And I think but the 302 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.759 hard part about all this because there is if he 303 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:04.599 does take you through the story and he does try 304 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:05.759 to provide evidence. 305 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:11.240 I mean, right, No, agreed, Bake, absolutely agreed, Baked. 306 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:12.880 Did you want to where we jump hold on? 307 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:17.119 Van? I think the key points of the story is 308 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.359 if it is a made up story, he sat down 309 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:25.759 with his friend and they worked it out before called anybody, 310 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:29.799 because the way he tells us, he tells it as 311 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:35.039 closer to hear Mike, I am a deer and bear hunter. 312 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:41.680 I understand the So he kills two of them, I believe, 313 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.440 and he claims why there wasn't a he explained or 314 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:52.680 he explained explains why they couldn't get back like he 315 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:54.559 had reasonably. 316 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:56.119 Did. 317 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:03.079 Was he had people that we know experts to back 318 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.960 up a lot of the he said by knowing this 319 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.039 is true, then this would happen, Like directly said, oh yeah, 320 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:12.279 one hundred percent believe. 321 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:15.039 This is plausible. 322 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:20.720 The issue I have story isn't the story at all. 323 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:26.480 I think it's a good story his friend. It looks 324 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.880 like it happened. But what I have problems with it 325 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:36.920 it's the documentary later pedaling and the way he feels 326 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.400 about researchers that kind of turned me off. 327 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.480 That's there. That's a fair statement because I. 328 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:47.480 Was like, one hundred percent like, he's got a story 329 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:51.920 he under but you could tell that that story was 330 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.279 prepped like you would prep a witness on the stand, Matt, 331 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.480 you know, because he had this is where it was at, 332 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.279 this is where we hunted, this is what we usually like. 333 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.359 He did the one thing we always asked for. He 334 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.920 gave us the before, the middle, and the after instead 335 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.759 of just giving us the five second clip, right, okay, 336 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:14.640 And they were prepped. So as far as the story, 337 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:16.759 I liked the story, I even believe. 338 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:18.319 I love the way it was presented. 339 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.039 I love how Small Town's Monsters presented it. I loved 340 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.079 the whole thing. What he didn't like was the ending. 341 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:26.759 And if you've seen the video, it's only about forty 342 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:29.480 five minutes and if you google it you'll see it. 343 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:30.039 It's free. 344 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:30.839 Excuse me. 345 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.039 You will notice near the end he kind of browns 346 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:38.799 out and says, you know, some things are really derodatory 347 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:43.960 towards well I feel us, you know, but I mean, 348 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:46.319 you guys can continue. But I just wanted to put 349 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.240 that in before two phone no. 350 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:53.880 No, and that's completely fair. That's completely fair. Yeah, I 351 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:58.519 will go on to my second point. Jesus was when 352 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:02.559 this entire event has happened to him, and he said 353 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:07.519 he shot what he believed to be an adult male 354 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:12.079 and that he shot a juvenile sometime later in the 355 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:16.759 same event. He did not have his dog with him, 356 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:20.400 but he brought his hunting dog with him to go 357 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:25.240 try to recover the juvenile, which he said he buried 358 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:28.640 under a bush. Why was not his hunting dog with 359 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:33.279 him when they went on this expedition. That didn't make 360 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:37.799 sense to me, And there may be a very good explanation, 361 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:40.880 I don't know. He just said, yeah, I brought my 362 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:43.640 hunting dog out with me because it can sniff out, 363 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:46.880 you know, these dead carcass and go pick him out. 364 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.480 But he didn't have the dog with him during this 365 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.119 event and then the last point I'm going to make, 366 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:56.200 and then I'll leave it up to everybody else to 367 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:01.720 make their analogy. He said. One he shot the juvenile, 368 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:06.880 he picked it up, he looked at it. The partner 369 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.960 that he was with, he kind of threw it on 370 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.880 the ground. The partner saw it. They didn't know what 371 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.720 to do because they knew the game warden was at 372 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.279 the end of the trail on their way out. Now, 373 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:27.319 generally game trails, as far as those individuals are concerned, 374 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.599 they will have a dog with them to sniff out 375 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:35.799 whether you tagged a deer or a bearer or something else. Okay, 376 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:39.880 I understand that. So let's hide the body. We can 377 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:42.039 get out of here, and we'll come back and retrieve 378 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:46.240 it later when the game warden is not there. So 379 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:50.720 he said, they put the juvenile under a bush. He 380 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.599 physically was showing on the documentary kicking out dirt and 381 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:02.319 covering it with large debris and large rocks. Now I 382 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:08.920 understand that doctor Meldrum and Randalls went out there to 383 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:17.200 investigate this, and on the documentary justin states, well, yeah, 384 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:20.000 we covered it with rocks like that one over there, 385 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:24.240 which was about maybe ten fifteen feet away. Where did 386 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.960 all the rocks go? Where did all the large debris 387 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:32.119 go that they said they covered the juvenile with? It 388 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:36.839 wasn't there. I don't see anybody picking up these big 389 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.680 rocks and moving them twenty thirty feet away to try 390 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:46.880 to find the juvenile body. It wasn't there. So I again, 391 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.759 I was left scratching my head, going, well, then where 392 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.359 is all this debris that you said you buried the 393 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:59.599 juvenile with. It's not there, So I'm just going to 394 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:02.759 leave it a that. I'm not calling the guy any 395 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.200 of the names that the Internet called him. I wasn't there. 396 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.920 But like James said, it's a fascinating story because he 397 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.680 did give very certain descriptions of what happened. That is 398 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.359 very believable. That when they spotted this thing, it stood up, 399 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.000 it put its arms up, and he took a shot 400 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.519 and hit it in its left side, and he said, boom. 401 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.559