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Speaker 2: We got someone or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 3: Does a legend walk among us working in the forests
Speaker 3: of our world?
Speaker 2: Did you see what it was? Was it a person
Speaker 2: or an animal?
Speaker 4: Or I can't go.
Speaker 2: All I know is that my thunder light came on
Speaker 2: and I get happened to glen and see this thing
Speaker 2: running across the yard. A good fight man or something
Speaker 2: works like a man.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,
Speaker 3: and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the
Speaker 3: existence of this mysterious entity.
Speaker 2: Quite Karl, Hello, get somebody out here. What's going to
Speaker 2: announce their invention about sixty four nine? I don't know,
Speaker 2: is the announcer, Yeah, I'm walking right away?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, hand.
Speaker 2: On, yeah, got you're big? Okay, what's he doing in
Speaker 2: your yard?
Speaker 6: We're gonna do you.
Speaker 3: Join us as we continue into the investigation, of the
Speaker 3: Sasquatch Experience.
Speaker 6: And good evening everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. I'm
Speaker 6: Sean the Fort Chop fork Er. That's Vance Nesbit, Henry May,
Speaker 6: James Baker, and Matt Arner here tonight talking to you
Speaker 6: about a very interesting subject that, you know what, we've
Speaker 6: never talked about on this show before ever. I think
Speaker 6: Henry in the history of Sasquatch Experience. Now we've got
Speaker 6: a little pone. I think somebody's.
Speaker 4: That was me.
Speaker 6: I apologize jam Vance anyhow, so much as I love
Speaker 6: hearing the sound of my own voice. Easy, Pilgrim, Easy,
Speaker 6: This is my family show. Happy Saint Patrick's Day to everybody.
Speaker 6: Aaron Gobra and I hope you're all in this. This
Speaker 6: great day here, beautiful day for most of us, looks
Speaker 6: like some of the severe weather behind most of us.
Speaker 6: And just an apology to all our listeners that we've
Speaker 6: been kind of absent for the last few weeks. I
Speaker 6: think we've all been hit with every kind of flu,
Speaker 6: every kind of stomach virus, and every own personal thing
Speaker 6: we could go through the last few weeks. That's kind
Speaker 6: of made it difficult for us all to collectively join
Speaker 6: together and it's always better when that's the muffler man himself.
Speaker 6: And we're just glad to be here, you know. But
Speaker 6: as I was getting into this saying, we've never talked
Speaker 6: about this before, and tonight we're going to talk about
Speaker 6: shooting Bigfoot. We're going to talk about the Justin Smeya
Speaker 6: incident that actually we kind of spurned by watching that
Speaker 6: great documentary of the man who killed Bigfoot on Small
Speaker 6: Town Monsters, which is superbly done video by Eli Watson
Speaker 6: under the STM label, And if you haven't got a chance,
Speaker 6: check that out.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's only been out for a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks now, right, right, right.
Speaker 6: We got to do our role call. We've got mister
Speaker 6: Scott there, Scott, good to see, mister Hyde, mister Steve, welcome, Kim.
Speaker 6: If you play a sas squatch and regularly water it,
Speaker 6: does it grow a new one when you harvest it
Speaker 6: and can tell when it's ripe? Well, if you smell
Speaker 6: them enough, you can tell they're right.
Speaker 4: That's right, And but you got to squeeze the tush.
Speaker 6: Oh good, and a roll call so far, and of
Speaker 6: course you've got other folks that we can't see. But
Speaker 6: glad you are here with us tonight, so advance. Well,
Speaker 6: I guess before we get started, Matt, did we want
Speaker 6: to talk about some exciting stuff that we had going on.
Speaker 6: And it's been kind of busy for you and I
Speaker 6: in terms of intake for bigfoot sighting, so go ahead
Speaker 6: and give us a little rundown on that.
Speaker 5: Well. Uh, we actually had a couple of reports come
Speaker 5: in that were fresh, and when I say fresh, I
Speaker 5: mean they were they were absolutely fresh. So, uh, the
Speaker 5: first one we jumped on really really quick, and it
Speaker 5: was actually, uh, you know, the person had had reached
Speaker 5: out to other groups as well well. And next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, after I think it was twenty four hours
Speaker 5: after we spoke to him, it was blasted all over Facebook.
Speaker 5: So that that kind of killed our idea of going
Speaker 5: up there and you know, researching in that specific area
Speaker 5: before it really hit the public. But I was actually
Speaker 5: just out there today out in that area, so I
Speaker 5: didn't stop by that specific area, but you know, I
Speaker 5: was out in Center County when earlier today. But the
Speaker 5: second one's pretty interesting as well. I'm still making coordination
Speaker 5: here to to do a phone interview with the witness.
Speaker 5: He believes he saw something in his backyard and he
Speaker 5: actually casted a track that he found it that he
Speaker 5: found the very next day. So we're uh, you know,
Speaker 5: playing email tag right now to try to set up
Speaker 5: a time that we can now go up and see
Speaker 5: them check out the area. It's just kind of a
Speaker 5: strange I had been saying that between January and March
Speaker 5: in this particular area we seem to have, you know,
Speaker 5: either some sort of rewards come in and uh, it
Speaker 5: really came through. It came through later. And that may
Speaker 5: have been because of the you know, colder temperatures. We
Speaker 5: actually had a real winter uh this uh this past winter,
Speaker 5: so uh with the very end of that, and nothing's
Speaker 5: really growing right now. Uh, we're just starting to see
Speaker 5: the growing season basically start. But two weeks ago we
Speaker 5: had really nothing going on. So uh, you know, if
Speaker 5: anything's out there looking for food, they're they're going for
Speaker 5: you know, the the easiest thing should be you know,
Speaker 5: hitting maybe town dumps or where this place was. There
Speaker 5: was a hatchery nearby, so interesting stuff. But we collect
Speaker 5: the information. You know, we have a friend of ours
Speaker 5: that that puts all this into basically a data format,
Speaker 5: and yeah, we'll use that for you.
Speaker 6: Know, trending Jerbass Place.
Speaker 5: Absolutely checking these places out in the future.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: You and I did interview the one witness by the
Speaker 6: phone for an hour, yes, and we had a really
Speaker 6: good conversation. But the hard part of it came when
Speaker 6: it was blasted all over social media. The exact location,
Speaker 6: by the way, not a general location, yes, and that
Speaker 6: kind of really diminished what Matt and I felt we
Speaker 6: could get from it. Now, I think it's still worthy
Speaker 6: to go out there at some point, but I think
Speaker 6: we chose to do it after it calmed down a
Speaker 6: little bit and I had a foot thing going on
Speaker 6: which prevented me from getting out there. But as the
Speaker 6: weather's warm up a little bit, I think maybe it's
Speaker 6: time we could go down, Matt Bake and check it
Speaker 6: out when it's died down a little bit. Because I
Speaker 6: just feel that if we go out there now, anything
Speaker 6: that we're gonna we're gonna take away could possibly be
Speaker 6: contaminated or.
Speaker 5: I have been been told from a friend of mine
Speaker 5: that lives out there that ever since that report hit Facebook,
Speaker 5: that particular parking lot where where the witness had purchased
Speaker 5: truck has been full day and night. Ever since that
Speaker 5: that report was posted, So I'm sure there are plenty
Speaker 5: of people going out there, you know, just uh yeah,
Speaker 5: well it's frustrated for us, yep, yeah, absolutely, And you.
Speaker 6: Know, I also reached out to the BFRO investigator on
Speaker 6: Facebook as I set a friend request, which might be
Speaker 6: a little off putting, but I don't have any other
Speaker 6: contact for him, just to see if we could you know,
Speaker 6: share note sir or whatnot. And I've gotten nothing back.
Speaker 6: But I'm not happy at all that the area was
Speaker 6: just blasted like that on social media and some people
Speaker 6: should just know better, right. This isn't one of those
Speaker 6: situations where more boots on the ground help. It's really
Speaker 6: a lot more of more people in that area are
Speaker 6: going to contaminate. And the witness was still very gun.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 6: He texted me yesterday that he's back and is still
Speaker 6: in I mean he's still been in contact with me, Matt.
Speaker 6: I hadn't had a chance to talk to you yet.
Speaker 6: So he's been regular contact with me about it, which
Speaker 6: is you know, telling in terms of you know, reliability
Speaker 6: and credibility. He's not shying away, and I don't think
Speaker 6: our reservation was ever really that this guy's not being
Speaker 6: honest with us. I think it's really just all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, we're going to have all the saturation and
Speaker 6: it's going to be useless.
Speaker 5: And again, when if we give an area, and out
Speaker 5: of respect for landowners, out of respect for other people
Speaker 5: that are that are in the area, we we try well,
Speaker 5: if we're going to say something publicly, we're not going
Speaker 5: to give that exact exact location. And I mean this
Speaker 5: was put out there as to what parking lot he
Speaker 5: was at, what stream he crossed, uh, you know, right
Speaker 5: down to the tree that the peak was made from,
Speaker 5: so uh you know. And the one thing is is
Speaker 5: that we're talking about an area that's a mix of
Speaker 5: both wooded area and farmland and so this patch of woods,
Speaker 5: albeit you know, larger than what most people might be
Speaker 5: but used to it, is still relatively small in that patchwork.
Speaker 5: So if there's if there was anything that was that
Speaker 5: was there, I'm sure they're long gone right by now,
Speaker 5: and hopefully they didn't get picked up in the tornado
Speaker 5: that we just had up.
Speaker 6: There right right up in the research area.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, So that's our.
Speaker 6: Research update, guys, just to kill everybody in on what's
Speaker 6: been going on. I know our Patreon has been a
Speaker 6: little active too, but we're gonna be bumping that back
Speaker 6: up now as we're getting more out there. We've got
Speaker 6: a lot going on again this spring into the falls,
Speaker 6: we get ready for the Ohio Bigfoot Conference less than
Speaker 6: just a little over a month away now at this point,
Speaker 6: all of us going to be there about six weeks
Speaker 6: live and in color. We're gonna be there having a
Speaker 6: good old time. So check us out, hit us up,
Speaker 6: we'll be there. So Vance, this was your show. This
Speaker 6: is you wanted to hit this topic, I'm gonna throw.
Speaker 7: It to you.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna let you take us through this very interesting situation.
Speaker 4: Really. Yeah, Well, let me start off by making an analogy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if any of you, gentlemen, or our
Speaker 4: great listening audience has ever had this type of an experience. Uh,
Speaker 4: Let's say you go to YouTube tube and you see
Speaker 4: a video pop up of the greatest hits of a
Speaker 4: certain year that really affected you, like, say, for me,
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six. Oh, the greatest hits of nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I'm kind of in a nostalgic mood. And
Speaker 4: let's so I hit play and we're listening to some
Speaker 4: songs from nineteen seventy six, and then a song comes
Speaker 4: on and I'm like, wait, I never heard this one before.
Speaker 4: That's how I felt about the Justin Smeya story. I
Speaker 4: never heard this story before. And I've been involved in
Speaker 4: the big Foot community for well over twenty years now,
Speaker 4: I never heard this story of the man who shot
Speaker 4: Bigfoot and small Tom Monsters came out with a wonderful documentary.
Speaker 4: Like you know, Sean mentioned earlier that Eli Watson narrated
Speaker 4: and edited by Seth Breedlove, and so I'm watching this
Speaker 4: and I'm like, wow, this is really intriguing, and so
Speaker 4: I watched the entire documentary. Now, to be fair, there's
Speaker 4: one thing about what Seth does when he comes out
Speaker 4: with his documentaries is that he does not play one
Speaker 4: side of the field or the other. He plays it
Speaker 4: right down the middle. So he gives you the pros
Speaker 4: and the cons. And Eli did the same thing. He's
Speaker 4: not saying this story is factual story. He's giving you
Speaker 4: the negatives and the positives. So the video or the
Speaker 4: documentary rather starts out with when Justin shared his story,
Speaker 4: the negative feedback that he got online of people just
Speaker 4: calling him every name, in the book and being a
Speaker 4: family friendly show, I'm not going to use some of
Speaker 4: the profan or profound language that was used to call him.
Speaker 4: But I was like, well, this is kind of interesting.
Speaker 4: But I wasn't there, so I can't say the guy
Speaker 4: is full of it or not full of it. But
Speaker 4: there were three points in the video that ELI did
Speaker 4: with him, and ELI said the same thing, He's not
Speaker 4: going to call this a factual story or a non
Speaker 4: factual story. They just did an interview with Justin Smeya
Speaker 4: on his account. So I encourage our entire listening audience
Speaker 4: to go and watch the video or the documentary from
Speaker 4: Small Town Monsters because it was so well done. It's
Speaker 4: very well done, just like everything else that you know
Speaker 4: small Town Monsters puts out. It's a great production. But
Speaker 4: this one I found kind of fascinating because I found
Speaker 4: three points that left me scratching my head. Its like,
Speaker 4: I have questions here, and I'll start off with the
Speaker 4: first one. And I don't want to taint to anybody's
Speaker 4: version if they haven't watched this yet, but I just
Speaker 4: found it kind of interesting. Justin goes through the story
Speaker 4: of how they approached in a Bronco in the Sierra Mountains,
Speaker 4: and he grew up in this environment. His father taught
Speaker 4: him hunting and fishing, so he's part of this entire environment,
Speaker 4: and that brings about a different personality to a person altogether.
Speaker 4: When you grow up that way, you know somebody that
Speaker 4: grows up in an urban environment, you grow up in
Speaker 4: that environment, you know everything about it. He grew up
Speaker 4: in this environment. And he stated that they had tags
Speaker 4: for deer and bear, but they were in different areas
Speaker 4: to go and hunt. So they were in a deer
Speaker 4: tag area, and they're often a very remote area, small
Speaker 4: town monsters. Eli brought us into the area. Justin brought
Speaker 4: us to the area where he said this encounter happened
Speaker 4: where he shot a big foot, two of them, to
Speaker 4: be precise. The first thing I took away in watching
Speaker 4: the documentary was he said that Justin is in the
Speaker 4: passenger seat of the Bronco. His friend is driving the Bronco.
Speaker 4: Justin sees this dark image and assumes it's a bear
Speaker 4: in the passenger seat. And what he said, he opened
Speaker 4: the door of the Bronco and got out and put
Speaker 4: aim on the individual. Now Justin stated he shot it
Speaker 4: with a rifle, but Justin got out of the truck
Speaker 4: and on the Small Town Monsters documentary, he's doing a
Speaker 4: bow action. He's like, I've got it in my sight. Well,
Speaker 4: if you're recreating the account with a rifle, why are
Speaker 4: you doing a bow action? Now he is a bowl
Speaker 4: hunter and a rifle hunter, but this is exactly what
Speaker 4: he did.
Speaker 7: Matt.
Speaker 4: I would say to you, well, what happened while I
Speaker 4: drew my gun and you're holding it as you're holding
Speaker 4: my pistol a nine millimeters or whatever, and I shot
Speaker 4: the guy because he was approaching me. I don't understand
Speaker 4: why he used the symbology of drawing a bow and
Speaker 4: arrow when he shot it with a rifle.
Speaker 5: Mm hm.
Speaker 4: And so I scratched my head and going, eh, that
Speaker 4: doesn't really seem right to me.
Speaker 6: Well, now hold on a second there, because that's okay.
Speaker 6: Before we jump ahead, we get hit some of these points.
Speaker 6: Could it have just been a natural reaction, as he
Speaker 6: does more bow hunting than rifle hunting, you know, Could
Speaker 6: it just be just playing Devil's advocate?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 6: Because I think one of the thing problems I have
Speaker 6: with the whole dismay of situation is sometimes the evidence
Speaker 6: doesn't add up with the story, right, And so I think,
Speaker 6: is this another one of these situations? Because I have
Speaker 6: to say, if he's made this whole situation up and
Speaker 6: it's a lie, he's a pretty damn good liar.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: No, I totally agree with you. And this is why
Speaker 4: I started this off by saying, I don't know. I
Speaker 4: wasn't there.
Speaker 6: Well, none of us were. And I think but the
Speaker 6: hard part about all this because there is if he
Speaker 6: does take you through the story and he does try
Speaker 6: to provide evidence.
Speaker 4: I mean, right, No, agreed, Bake, absolutely agreed, Baked.
Speaker 6: Did you want to where we jump hold on?
Speaker 10: Van? I think the key points of the story is
Speaker 10: if it is a made up story, he sat down
Speaker 10: with his friend and they worked it out before called anybody,
Speaker 10: because the way he tells us, he tells it as
Speaker 10: closer to hear Mike, I am a deer and bear hunter.
Speaker 10: I understand the So he kills two of them, I believe,
Speaker 10: and he claims why there wasn't a he explained or
Speaker 10: he explained explains why they couldn't get back like he
Speaker 10: had reasonably.
Speaker 7: Did.
Speaker 10: Was he had people that we know experts to back
Speaker 10: up a lot of the he said by knowing this
Speaker 10: is true, then this would happen, Like directly said, oh yeah,
Speaker 10: one hundred percent believe.
Speaker 4: This is plausible.
Speaker 10: The issue I have story isn't the story at all.
Speaker 10: I think it's a good story his friend. It looks
Speaker 10: like it happened. But what I have problems with it
Speaker 10: it's the documentary later pedaling and the way he feels
Speaker 10: about researchers that kind of turned me off.
Speaker 6: That's there. That's a fair statement because I.
Speaker 10: Was like, one hundred percent like, he's got a story
Speaker 10: he under but you could tell that that story was
Speaker 10: prepped like you would prep a witness on the stand, Matt,
Speaker 10: you know, because he had this is where it was at,
Speaker 10: this is where we hunted, this is what we usually like.
Speaker 10: He did the one thing we always asked for. He
Speaker 10: gave us the before, the middle, and the after instead
Speaker 10: of just giving us the five second clip, right, okay,
Speaker 10: And they were prepped. So as far as the story,
Speaker 10: I liked the story, I even believe.
Speaker 7: I love the way it was presented.
Speaker 10: I love how Small Town's Monsters presented it. I loved
Speaker 10: the whole thing. What he didn't like was the ending.
Speaker 10: And if you've seen the video, it's only about forty
Speaker 10: five minutes and if you google it you'll see it.
Speaker 5: It's free.
Speaker 7: Excuse me.
Speaker 10: You will notice near the end he kind of browns
Speaker 10: out and says, you know, some things are really derodatory
Speaker 10: towards well I feel us, you know, but I mean,
Speaker 10: you guys can continue. But I just wanted to put
Speaker 10: that in before two phone no.
Speaker 4: No, and that's completely fair. That's completely fair. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: will go on to my second point. Jesus was when
Speaker 4: this entire event has happened to him, and he said
Speaker 4: he shot what he believed to be an adult male
Speaker 4: and that he shot a juvenile sometime later in the
Speaker 4: same event. He did not have his dog with him,
Speaker 4: but he brought his hunting dog with him to go
Speaker 4: try to recover the juvenile, which he said he buried
Speaker 4: under a bush. Why was not his hunting dog with
Speaker 4: him when they went on this expedition. That didn't make
Speaker 4: sense to me, And there may be a very good explanation,
Speaker 4: I don't know. He just said, yeah, I brought my
Speaker 4: hunting dog out with me because it can sniff out,
Speaker 4: you know, these dead carcass and go pick him out.
Speaker 4: But he didn't have the dog with him during this
Speaker 4: event and then the last point I'm going to make,
Speaker 4: and then I'll leave it up to everybody else to
Speaker 4: make their analogy. He said. One he shot the juvenile,
Speaker 4: he picked it up, he looked at it. The partner
Speaker 4: that he was with, he kind of threw it on
Speaker 4: the ground. The partner saw it. They didn't know what
Speaker 4: to do because they knew the game warden was at
Speaker 4: the end of the trail on their way out. Now,
Speaker 4: generally game trails, as far as those individuals are concerned,
Speaker 4: they will have a dog with them to sniff out
Speaker 4: whether you tagged a deer or a bearer or something else. Okay,
Speaker 4: I understand that. So let's hide the body. We can
Speaker 4: get out of here, and we'll come back and retrieve
Speaker 4: it later when the game warden is not there. So
Speaker 4: he said, they put the juvenile under a bush. He
Speaker 4: physically was showing on the documentary kicking out dirt and
Speaker 4: covering it with large debris and large rocks. Now I
Speaker 4: understand that doctor Meldrum and Randalls went out there to
Speaker 4: investigate this, and on the documentary justin states, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: we covered it with rocks like that one over there,
Speaker 4: which was about maybe ten fifteen feet away. Where did
Speaker 4: all the rocks go? Where did all the large debris
Speaker 4: go that they said they covered the juvenile with? It
Speaker 4: wasn't there. I don't see anybody picking up these big
Speaker 4: rocks and moving them twenty thirty feet away to try
Speaker 4: to find the juvenile body. It wasn't there. So I again,
Speaker 4: I was left scratching my head, going, well, then where
Speaker 4: is all this debris that you said you buried the
Speaker 4: juvenile with. It's not there, So I'm just going to
Speaker 4: leave it a that. I'm not calling the guy any
Speaker 4: of the names that the Internet called him. I wasn't there.
Speaker 4: But like James said, it's a fascinating story because he
Speaker 4: did give very certain descriptions of what happened. That is
Speaker 4: very believable. That when they spotted this thing, it stood up,
Speaker 4: it put its arms up, and he took a shot
Speaker 4: and hit it in its left side, and he said, boom.
Speaker 4: You know, you could see the debris of blood and
Speaker 4: it's coming out, and it was tripping and falling and
Speaker 4: making its way off into the woods and trying to
Speaker 4: make a getaway. And then he discovers two juveniles that
Speaker 4: were chattering with each other that seems to be a
Speaker 4: pretty extreme story to just make up out of the
Speaker 4: top of your head as a bigfoot story to do
Speaker 4: what become financially wealthy? No, without any evidence. No, but
Speaker 4: it's a fascinating story. It truly is. And I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna sit here and put Justin in the BS artist.
Speaker 4: I'm just not going to do that.
Speaker 6: I don't know if he can, because I mean, the
Speaker 6: reality is, well, I am there goes hi am. I
Speaker 6: was gonna let let's hear it, let's go Henry.
Speaker 9: Here is the reason I think his story is well, shit, okay,
Speaker 9: this is the reason it is because it's because when
Speaker 9: they would act to find the quote unquote remains.
Speaker 4: A flash right, yes, m hm.
Speaker 7: Ted did they said it off to catch him?
Speaker 8: Who said, oh, it must be sasquatch, just just ARBITRALI
Speaker 8: out of the blue says it must be sasquatched because
Speaker 8: her a sasquall right, as you just know what the
Speaker 8: hell she's.
Speaker 11: Well was when that sample was set to Brian Sikes
Speaker 11: and read his book The Nature of the Beast, he
Speaker 11: talks all about it. That sample turned out to be
Speaker 11: from a bit. But I think this is what I
Speaker 11: think Justine.
Speaker 7: May I did. I got two bits out of season.
Speaker 11: Bobby thought he'd getting for it and decided to cover
Speaker 11: it up. And then just then and they decided to
Speaker 11: claim that he shot to Sasquatch. That's what I think happened.
Speaker 4: Well, that's a really good point that you bring up, Henry,
Speaker 4: because I didn't bring that up in all this that
Speaker 4: he said, yes, I've got these you know, these flesh samples.
Speaker 4: He sent them off to Randall's, He sent them off
Speaker 4: to Meldrum, and he sent them off to.
Speaker 7: Uh uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's her.
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 4: It has got them off, but yet nothing kind of
Speaker 4: seemed to develop from that whatsoever. Well, I'm like, if
Speaker 4: you have this flash sample, something would have come out
Speaker 4: of it. And you know, kudos to Randall's first stating
Speaker 4: what he did. He stated, he didn't know what to
Speaker 4: make of the guy, but he went out there and
Speaker 4: took him seriously. But he didn't know what to make
Speaker 4: of any of this. But nothing turned up out of us.
Speaker 4: And I appreciate and you know, with him working with
Speaker 4: the Olympic project. Give the guys the kudos working on
Speaker 4: the Olympic Project. Every single one of those guys are
Speaker 4: so golden staunch with me personally, in their research, you know,
Speaker 4: with course and boy, let me tell you, these guys
Speaker 4: are in it, and they're in it deep. So if
Speaker 4: they had any kind of evidence, even a strand of evidence,
Speaker 4: I think they would have brought it forward. But nothing
Speaker 4: really came of any of this.
Speaker 6: Well, go ahead, JB.
Speaker 10: So a couple of key points you said earlier, which
Speaker 10: I tried to get in but then it happened. You
Speaker 10: said about the dog, Well, the only reason I had
Speaker 10: a dog the second time was is because Meldrum knew
Speaker 10: a guy locally that had dogs that could sniff out blood,
Speaker 10: and he called a favor and to get the dogs
Speaker 10: there as far as as far as like the carcass
Speaker 10: and things like that, there were a lot of inconsistency
Speaker 10: with that, Like he cut off so much of it.
Speaker 10: I honestly, if I had time to cut off some parts,
Speaker 10: I picked a head and brought it with me.
Speaker 6: But that's right me, okay, Pat, just cets off heads,
Speaker 6: just went.
Speaker 10: You've already committed as we'll go to the whole way. Man,
Speaker 10: shemy that ship. Wear it on top of your head,
Speaker 10: dree days.
Speaker 11: All right?
Speaker 6: You ever watched conn Air?
Speaker 10: That makes complete sense?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, the thing is is one thing he.
Speaker 10: Points out that I know is true and Forker knows
Speaker 10: is true. If an animal dies in the woods, even
Speaker 10: if you cover up within a week, coyotes everything else,
Speaker 10: that every carnivore in the planet is going to rip
Speaker 10: a little piece off and drag now as far as
Speaker 10: the rocks and stuff like that. It the guy said,
Speaker 10: I dug it. I grabbed as much stuff as I
Speaker 10: could for fifteen minutes, you know, And he says it,
Speaker 10: he says he did a shitty job.
Speaker 7: I mean, he's right about it.
Speaker 10: But what I would say is the one key that
Speaker 10: a lot of his facts roll together. And that's where
Speaker 10: I say, I kind of agree that there were a
Speaker 10: lot of easy facts, But I think we need to
Speaker 10: remember is his story covered a lot of things that
Speaker 10: we that we like, Why didn't he have a dog?
Speaker 7: The second? Why do you have a dog?
Speaker 10: Sicktom Will? He explained, And like I said, is I
Speaker 10: think he tried to legitimize his story by using the
Speaker 10: Olympic proper but project, by using Meldrum's name, by.
Speaker 4: Using you know, it's like people train time.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like people.
Speaker 10: Who say Cliff Barrack, so this is right, No, you
Speaker 10: got a drink with Bartman and he nodded at you
Speaker 10: the same.
Speaker 6: Thing, right, acknowledge this agreement.
Speaker 10: I've been in those meetings and there's you know, but
Speaker 10: I think Matt had some things to say, So I'm
Speaker 10: gonna shut up to the least the whole horn.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Matt.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I don't know how much time we
Speaker 5: happy for the bullhorn, but I think.
Speaker 6: What you need, I'll plug it in as soon as
Speaker 6: your friend.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So here's where I'm at there. He has been
Speaker 5: consistent through the years, and I have followed this since
Speaker 5: the story. It was came out as rumors on the
Speaker 5: old I think it was the Bigfoot evidence uh uh
Speaker 5: page that somebody had shot a big foot and they
Speaker 5: had some part of the carcass available, and through that
Speaker 5: I pretty much saw the story evolved in real time.
Speaker 5: And then we got to meet who Justin was. And
Speaker 5: there are some parts of the story though that just
Speaker 5: kind of give me the you know, the red flags
Speaker 5: pop up. And Henry was really eloquent and saying that
Speaker 5: he was not out there to hunt in a uh
Speaker 5: you know, traditional ethical man.
Speaker 4: Or yes, yes, so he has he has.
Speaker 5: A bear tag. For another part of the another part
Speaker 5: of the Sierras. He's out there, he sees you know, one,
Speaker 5: possibly two bears, and what does he do. He pops
Speaker 5: the shots off from inside the truck. You know, I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, we've been out you know, in the woods
Speaker 5: and and you know, even in Pennsylvania, you know, people
Speaker 5: still do that. But I mean, that is like the
Speaker 5: most unethical way to take an animal, So especially when
Speaker 5: you don't have attag for that, knowing that the fishing
Speaker 5: game officer is at the end of that trail pretty
Speaker 5: much checking everyone coming off that mountain, so he obviously
Speaker 5: shot at something. The one thing that gets me though,
Speaker 5: is one that they called it the steak, which was
Speaker 5: the the part of the carcass that was that was
Speaker 5: still still there, came back just being bear and as
Speaker 5: opposed to being anything else. So did he did he
Speaker 5: actually poach a bear? And this was just his way
Speaker 5: of you know, perhaps he's I don't know, you know,
Speaker 5: I think he has done a polygraph if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 5: and I don't know. It's just the other thing too,
Speaker 5: is again, as I saw this play out in real
Speaker 5: real time, there were people that came back to that
Speaker 5: to that area general area and One of probably the
Speaker 5: better thermal images came from Bart Tatino, who was in
Speaker 5: that particular area where this shot. I believe it was
Speaker 5: him and wrote Rosa Hobby and they were able to
Speaker 5: to get three creatures on thermal that were surrounding the campsite.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, you know, it really really leaves
Speaker 5: me scratching. If it was to go to court, you know,
Speaker 5: I think you'd have a hung jury out there.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the one tell for me and then
Speaker 6: we're gonna go to the bullhorn and then we'll come back.
Speaker 6: Is you know Bart Katino, somebody I've been acquainted with
Speaker 6: for many years in this research. You know, his take
Speaker 6: on it is the most important to me because if
Speaker 6: anybody's good, you know, he's got he's real credential. He's
Speaker 6: got a background in financial know which is a world
Speaker 6: just full of bullshitters and hucksters. And if he can
Speaker 6: survive that and be able to have integrity, which Bart
Speaker 6: does to no end, I think he'd be pretty good
Speaker 6: at sussing out the bullshit of of of Justin Smaya
Speaker 6: And I think the problem is when it becomes bigfoot,
Speaker 6: it becomes more fantastical, right, and you know, I don't
Speaker 6: agree with people calling him a murderer and a killer,
Speaker 6: and because you know, that's just not I don't know,
Speaker 6: that's not beneficial or helpful to anything. And he has
Speaker 6: taken his beatings. By the way, let's not say it's
Speaker 6: been easy for justin. I don't want to climb on
Speaker 6: that and continue it. What my thought is, if this happened,
Speaker 6: and it's just what a mess just and the fact
Speaker 6: that's happened in twenty ten is when it happened. You know,
Speaker 6: we're almost fifteen years now past this easily. Uh you know,
Speaker 6: where are we at with any of these other samples
Speaker 6: that have been provided? And so we'll leave on that note.
Speaker 6: We'll come back folks right after this. You're listening to
Speaker 6: the Sasquatch Experience. Sean Palker, James Baker, Henry May Vance Arner,
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Speaker 7: Do you think he exists? Why?
Speaker 12: Because it's more fun?
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Speaker 11: In the mind.
Speaker 6: I don't know all about that, but uh all right,
Speaker 6: Welcome back folks, Sasquatch Experience for Monday night, Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 6: And if you're done with this you can go get
Speaker 6: your drinking go on, though it's the workday tomorrow, so
Speaker 6: don't drink too much. Welcome back, folks. We're having a
Speaker 6: spirited discussion tonight about shooting Bigfoot. Did it or didn't happen.
Speaker 6: Let's see, and also Vance, thank you for plugging that event,
Speaker 6: the PA Bigfoot Camping weekend. Matt and I will be
Speaker 6: speaking and JB will be there, so he'll probably be
Speaker 6: speaking too, because Baker always gets roped in, but he
Speaker 6: never gets billed, so we always have to say that
Speaker 6: he never gets but he always gets it roped in.
Speaker 10: Yeah, got a free lunch or something.
Speaker 6: I don't think you know. Somebody did make mention of
Speaker 6: a polygraph test, but Scott made a really good point. Scott,
Speaker 6: our good friend, you know our Patreon and AVAD listener.
Speaker 6: A polygraph test doesn't show if you're telling the truth
Speaker 6: or not. It just indicates that you believe what you're saying.
Speaker 6: There's an interesting take on right, gentlemen. As we as
Speaker 6: we left, I was just talking about our friend Bart Katino,
Speaker 6: and you know my belief in Bart. Where are you
Speaker 6: guys at with with some of the other you know,
Speaker 6: you mentioned the Olympic project. Guys, what do you think
Speaker 6: some of our steam peers that they're bought him?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean they have the right to their opinion.
Speaker 7: They have the right to believe whatever they want. I
Speaker 7: have the right to believe what I want. Hey, this
Speaker 7: is America. We all have the right to believe whatever
Speaker 7: we want.
Speaker 6: You're just that guide, right, you're just not buying America.
Speaker 7: Long it doesn't hurt somebody ill, right, you know.
Speaker 4: I give the kudos to the fact that doctor Meldrum
Speaker 4: participated in the investigation along with Randalls. He engaged in
Speaker 4: this investigation because it was that compelling for them to
Speaker 4: do this and to completely unearth every bit of molecule
Speaker 4: and evidence that they could find in the area to
Speaker 4: try to prove this as a real point. And they
Speaker 4: were being completely honest of what their opinion was of
Speaker 4: just in himself. You know, Randall stated, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: he saw him as a redneck, and but he didn't
Speaker 4: he did not just wipe that off the page to say, ah,
Speaker 4: this guy's full of you know bs. He took him
Speaker 4: at his word, and they looked for every bit of
Speaker 4: evidence that they could possibly find, and of course, you know,
Speaker 4: it ended up that none of them discovered anything or
Speaker 4: uncovered anything that was attributed to Yeah, this could have
Speaker 4: possibly have happened, But it doesn't seem that Meldrum has
Speaker 4: been out there talking about this, right, he's not. It
Speaker 4: just don't go ahead James.
Speaker 10: It just seemed to me like he pulled some favors
Speaker 10: to help the guy out in the Olympic project, and
Speaker 10: he pulled some favors because he knew people in that area.
Speaker 10: Be as if if me and Sean saw some in
Speaker 10: Pennsylvania and Meldrum knew a guy and we we were
Speaker 10: like with him.
Speaker 6: But I think Meldrium has been there right.
Speaker 10: Right, But it didn't it didn't seem like I remember
Speaker 10: at OBC there was a situation where people broughtcasts to
Speaker 10: multiple groups.
Speaker 4: I want groups.
Speaker 7: I'm not pointing to somebody specific.
Speaker 10: Multiple groups broughtcasts to Meldrum and he looked them over
Speaker 10: and he goes, these are really nice look at some
Speaker 10: of these high points. But he never said this must
Speaker 10: be a bigfoot. He just he just pointed out evidence
Speaker 10: that pointed that way. But then when they left the table,
Speaker 10: it was like he completely believed my sightings and.
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 10: Likely from the back of notch what he said was
Speaker 10: what you had had promise. You know, there's a difference
Speaker 10: between first base and coming home.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, Henry, did you want to add to that,
Speaker 6: because it sounds like you were agreeing with Baker there
Speaker 6: a little bit.
Speaker 7: No, Yeah, I was basically agreeing with James Baker because
Speaker 7: just because Meldrum may maybe give you a.
Speaker 11: Little bit of kind of uram encouragement, doesn't me believe you.
Speaker 7: Right right.
Speaker 10: Saying Stripper's loving you, well, I don't know appreciate, but
Speaker 10: go there.
Speaker 5: So so not to But this was like the perfect segue.
Speaker 5: You're talking about Stripper.
Speaker 4: So he have I do we have? All? This show
Speaker 4: is getting interesting.
Speaker 5: It is not in that respective, but but we have
Speaker 5: justin who who came out? What did he get out
Speaker 5: of him doing this? Out of him, you know, recounting
Speaker 5: his story with uh, you know, with having all these
Speaker 5: people come in. He really, I mean it really kind
Speaker 5: of hurt his his his life, you know, right because
Speaker 5: he was under a microscope. But the one thing is
Speaker 5: is he was never after money, you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, he he wasn't going around you know, uh
Speaker 5: doing anything like uh. And of course you know I'm
Speaker 5: thinking of right around that same time too, is Rick
Speaker 5: Dyer in his hoaxes where hey, I shot a big foot,
Speaker 5: you know, and it was eating ribs behind San Antonio's costco.
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, you know, here's the guy who
Speaker 5: who believe you know, he believes that what, you know,
Speaker 5: what had happened that day, even if it put him
Speaker 5: into uh, you know, possibly some legal issues, but he
Speaker 5: stood by that story. And you know, again, you have
Speaker 5: other people that that will go out there and try
Speaker 5: to monetize that he didn't at all.
Speaker 4: Right, No, I agree with you, Matt, because he made
Speaker 4: that very clear in the documentary that he did with
Speaker 4: Eli Watson. He said, I didn't get into this to
Speaker 4: make money off of it or become wealthy. I didn't.
Speaker 4: I'm just sharing an experience that I had. Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: good with that. But then I look at Henry's perspective
Speaker 4: of all of this, and I'm like, yeah, I can
Speaker 4: agree with that too, And so I'm still completely divided
Speaker 4: on what has happened here. I just can't make sense
Speaker 4: of either side because I agree with what Henry has
Speaker 4: to say, and I agree with what I brought forth
Speaker 4: as there's a couple of issues here that don't make
Speaker 4: sense to me. But then when he says it, well,
Speaker 4: I didn't do this to make money, I'm just kind
Speaker 4: of left speechless on that whole point. But that's what
Speaker 4: makes the sole subject interesting.
Speaker 5: I know it, go ahead, guys, And I was gonna say,
Speaker 5: like I said, he put he put all this out.
Speaker 5: You know, he knows now if he's going to try
Speaker 5: to draw a tag, you know, you know, he's gonna
Speaker 5: have a California fishing game all over him, you know,
Speaker 5: probably for the next twenty years, right to make sure
Speaker 5: that that everything's on on tom It is probably not
Speaker 5: gonna be able to shoot out, you know, out the
Speaker 5: car window anymore, but probably not the best thing to do.
Speaker 5: But again, you know, like I said, this impacted his
Speaker 5: life detrimentally, you know, coming out. Even again, when it
Speaker 5: initially hit the uh, hit the internet, it was an
Speaker 5: unidentified person. It wasn't anything. Uh, they didn't initially say
Speaker 5: his name. And then he team up then and said, okay,
Speaker 5: this is you know, this is justin you know, he's
Speaker 5: the one that did this, and you know, and it
Speaker 5: went from there.
Speaker 10: Well, even his friend kind of backed away with it
Speaker 10: as quickly as possible. Their stories did sync up. But
Speaker 10: then again, like I said, if the conversation was happening
Speaker 10: at a table where they said, you know this is
Speaker 10: what you say, is that I say blah blah blah.
Speaker 10: But you know, I just there's a lot to the
Speaker 10: story that made sense from a perspective of like he
Speaker 10: he was a hunter and you knew that because there
Speaker 10: were certain parts of the conversation that made sense, like, hey,
Speaker 10: I hit a body, and when I came back three
Speaker 10: weeks after a blizzard, there was nothing left which could
Speaker 10: have happened, because when it's cold, animals will find warm.
Speaker 4: Food, you know.
Speaker 10: Like, so, I mean, it's not it's not unrealistic on
Speaker 10: what he said. It's just that some of the and
Speaker 10: some of the things like, yes, maybe he did kill
Speaker 10: two bears, but I don't know if I believe that
Speaker 10: as much, because then why would he make a point
Speaker 10: of a story I had just hit him in the
Speaker 10: woods and hope nobody noticed.
Speaker 6: Well, maybe he did. He have any priors for poaching
Speaker 6: or any other past experience or running with rangers. We
Speaker 6: don't know that, right, and that could be the impetus
Speaker 6: for him to want to create a cover story or
Speaker 6: something interesting to get people to not believe him, because
Speaker 6: perhaps he was involved in something he shouldn't have been
Speaker 6: doing and he's done it in the past. That's just a theory.
Speaker 6: There's no proof of that. I'm not saying that's what
Speaker 6: happened at all, Just a set of facts which could
Speaker 6: set of opinions that could meet the fact.
Speaker 10: If I'm playing on and killing people on a blank trail,
Speaker 10: trail stop.
Speaker 4: It, okay, Yeah, and now I'm an accomplist. I'm going
Speaker 4: to jail. I'll be in prison tomorrow. Oh good.
Speaker 10: Dance is worth about twenty packs smokes.
Speaker 4: So look at this.
Speaker 5: Look at this like it was going to be presented
Speaker 5: in court. So we don't have a body. We have
Speaker 5: no evidence that there that there was a body to
Speaker 5: begin with. Just just just a bare steak we have.
Speaker 5: And again, you know, even at that point, uh, grab
Speaker 5: a hair, grab grab a finger, you know, but you
Speaker 5: have nothing there. Uh you have you know, you have
Speaker 5: a statement, uh stating that the person was doing you know,
Speaker 5: an illegal activity.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: You have the friend who does back up the story.
Speaker 5: But you know he hasn't gone on as far as
Speaker 5: I know, he hasn't done the polity enough.
Speaker 6: Anymore, or he doesn't go on the record with it either.
Speaker 5: Correct, right, correct, So if you were if you were
Speaker 5: looking at this, and James bringing up brings up a
Speaker 5: great point. If we're not talking about a big foot,
Speaker 5: we're talking about Hey, he uh, he saw a hiker
Speaker 5: in the woods and he thought it was a bear
Speaker 5: and he decided to pop a shot off, and oh
Speaker 5: my god, the hiker died. If we can't find a body,
Speaker 5: and there's no evidence that that there was harm that day,
Speaker 5: and you know, and then lastly, of course, you know,
Speaker 5: if it's a hiker, you're gonna you know, the person
Speaker 5: be reported missing. Okay, that might be one thing, but
Speaker 5: but just say that that nobody's reported missing. You know
Speaker 5: what do you have at that point? A jury's gonna
Speaker 5: sit there and say, I don't out you know, I
Speaker 5: don't think this guy.
Speaker 6: Did it well, not even could you even press charges
Speaker 6: without a body?
Speaker 5: No, very true, we've done that before. Somebody fed the
Speaker 5: body to the pigs.
Speaker 6: So well, you had some sort of circumstantial evidence with this,
Speaker 6: there's nothing besides that steak, right, and with the steak
Speaker 6: that has been tested as bear. You know, you would
Speaker 6: you get a da to be able to say, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know what, let's charge him for murder. He had
Speaker 6: a bear steak, you coaching him.
Speaker 10: You could get a grand Jerry to convict on a
Speaker 10: hand sandwich. Trust.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's point bake you.
Speaker 10: Somebody some of these counties, it's just you and the
Speaker 10: judge and they both know each other hood the Dolly
Speaker 10: Parton song.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: He watches a lot of TV. Folks, he's well read.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I had I had the thought
Speaker 4: too while watching the documentary. If it was a juvenile
Speaker 4: that they shot, or that he shot, why didn't he
Speaker 4: bag it? Because he made one simple point. There was
Speaker 4: a game warden at the end of the trail that
Speaker 4: had a dog. So if he were to have bagged
Speaker 4: the juvenile and put it in the back of the
Speaker 4: truck and the dog detected it, I think all things
Speaker 4: would have been off the tangent right there. I think
Speaker 4: everything would have come loose. And maybe that's why he
Speaker 4: panicked and left it there under a bush. But I
Speaker 4: think I would have taken the chance and wrapped it
Speaker 4: up and put it in the truck and said, hey, yeah,
Speaker 4: we didn't get anything, have a great day, we're out
Speaker 4: of here. At least have that evidence with you.
Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe he didn't have good past experiences
Speaker 6: with the Rangers.
Speaker 4: No, that's very possible. That's very possible.
Speaker 5: What do you want, Oh, go ahead, James, Well, if.
Speaker 4: You watched the movie.
Speaker 10: But one thing he points out is he didn't take
Speaker 10: any evidence with him because he was worried that that
Speaker 10: there were He kept saying about special forces and people
Speaker 10: that were trained to screw him over, and he was
Speaker 10: a little paranoid when it came back ops. But the
Speaker 10: other reason was is he said something that clicks to
Speaker 10: my head now. Well, probably because he got caught doing
Speaker 10: stuff before. Whatever. I can't I can't say hey or whatever.
Speaker 10: You know, stuff on the internet stays on the internet.
Speaker 7: Whatever.
Speaker 10: Okay, but here's the thing he said. It's a male
Speaker 10: and two juveniles. They were talking amongst themselves. He killed
Speaker 10: two out of three. So the question is is when
Speaker 10: he killed them and kind of buried their bodies in
Speaker 10: fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry of ruining the plot.
Speaker 10: But the thing is is you have a sosquatch that
Speaker 10: supposedly still exists, and then where's mom? So how do
Speaker 10: you know that whatever it was that survived in that
Speaker 10: area didn't drag those bodies off to somewhere else?
Speaker 5: Very true, Very true.
Speaker 10: I understand why he didn't take as much evidence, even
Speaker 10: though I would have said screw it. He even mentioned
Speaker 10: I should have took pictures. I should have done.
Speaker 7: I could have done.
Speaker 10: All these things, but I got home this popped into
Speaker 10: my brain and.
Speaker 6: The moment I was just freaking out and digging a hole.
Speaker 6: We listen, we all had that moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have been kind of freaked out too
Speaker 4: and probably have not thought of those things either.
Speaker 6: Right, so I read legitimate.
Speaker 5: I want to add one one last point, well actually
Speaker 5: two last points, because I know we're running close to
Speaker 5: the time. But the one is if he fired that
Speaker 5: shot inside that inside that Fort Bronco, For one thing,
Speaker 5: when uh powder explodes, Uh, you're gonna have not just
Speaker 5: the spent black powder all over the place, but you're
Speaker 5: also gonna have that odor uh inside that inside the
Speaker 5: cabinet of that that Ford Bronco. It's gonna smell like
Speaker 5: somebody fired a shot. Which that's gonna raise the eraised
Speaker 5: the eyebrows of the of the game officer down down
Speaker 5: at the bottom of the mountain, because he's gonna be like, Okay,
Speaker 5: who was who was in here shooting right from this
Speaker 5: because he would be able to smell that. The other
Speaker 5: thing too, And just a side thought here, we were
Speaker 5: talking about the if they had a dog down there
Speaker 5: at the bottom of the mountain. They had a Yetti
Speaker 5: cooler airproof. Yeah, and and you know what, you could
Speaker 5: You could put whatever you want in there and and
Speaker 5: a grizzly bear can't even sniff it. So hopefully we
Speaker 5: can get Yetti as a as a new sponsor.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, and that's the part that I did miss Matt. Now,
Speaker 4: what I would say his specific words was he got
Speaker 4: out of the Ford Bronco and took aim at this
Speaker 4: bean and fired the shot. Even though he was doing
Speaker 4: the bow and arrow insinuation. He said, he did get
Speaker 4: out of the vehicle and took the shot. But you're
Speaker 4: right about the the Yetti. I never gave that a
Speaker 4: consideration that, Yeah, you could put something in there, and
Speaker 4: I don't think anything would be able to pick up
Speaker 4: a center from that. That's a good point.
Speaker 5: We do firearms training for with the vehicles, and even
Speaker 5: if you're outside the vehicle and you take a shot inside,
Speaker 5: the inside still still has that odor.
Speaker 4: I thought you were that's interesting.
Speaker 10: Firearm training and accidents, folks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's nothing finer than the smell of gunpowder. I'll
Speaker 4: let me tell you.
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