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I want to welcome everyone back to the Peaking Yona Show.

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Ron Dodson is back. Hey, Ron, how's it going.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Pete? It's always fun to always fun

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to be on the show and have real conversations where

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we can be a little more free in our discussion.

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Speaker 1: If you know what I mean, Yes we can. So

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it's Friday, this is the twenty seventh of February. You're

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probably getting a lot of the same reports I am

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that countries are pulling their diplomatic personnel out of Iran.

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Apparently Mike Kaukabee told everybody, you know, last one out

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to rotten egg, get the hell out of the embassy.

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You know what, do you It.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't so so as far as those diplomatic exit levels go,

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it was one below the highest. So you have mandatory exits,

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and it wasn't that it was encouraged exits. I mean,

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what I'm hearing is that it's basically that that the

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Israelis We're going to use pyramids their go time if

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we weren't going to do something and that uh. And

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we can get into the details of this, but but

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I think Trump for for for various reasons, and we

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can we can bemoan the state of of where things are.

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But you've got to be realist about all this, the

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the the Ultimately it comes down to, if the Israelis

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jump in this deal by themselves, we're getting dragged in. Uh.

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That's that happened last U last summer. I know, the

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messaging tried to gloss over that. But but but they

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went on their own and we got drug in and

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and the reason is, the short version of the reason

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is is they they very well, you know, they they

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hold us hostage with their with their you know, their

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samson play, their their nuclear, their new clear They keep

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telling us, look, we're gonna if we go this alone,

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we're going to use every means at our disposal. And

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you and I both know, and I think most educated

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folks in the foreign policy establishment, in the military analyst

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world know that if Israel goes at this alone, and

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they've already told us they would, that this goes, this

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goes poorly for them after a certain amount with especially

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without our Thad Overwatch, Thad Patriot. You know, Iron Dome

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is not built to is not built to intercept hypersonics.

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And look, every real ballistic missile is hypersonic in its

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terminal phase. But maneuverable hypersonics, especially, they're just not They

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get lucky on some low aspect shots, and we can

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talk about that. I don't know how in the weeds

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we need to get high aspect means. It's the high

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aspect go You know, your aspect angle goes from zero

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to ninety degrees. If you're at zero row, that means

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you're looking at the missile head on. It's much easier

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even for a for a for the type of interceptor

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that iron Dome is, it's much easier to hit. A

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high aspect angle goes all the way to ninety. That

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means you're you're you're basically having a tracking shot on

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a hypersonic target. They they can't do that. That's what

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at the highest point of a ballistic arc. So anyway,

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point being is as I think Trump feels very hemmed in.

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I pray, you know, I pray that the that the

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Iranians would come to I say their senses. I understand

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their position, honestly, but but I pray that the Iranians

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would would somehow say, look, will we'll we'll vastly, we'll

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we'll go ahead and acquiesce to to ending our nuclear program.

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think we're staring at it at an Iran that looks

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a lot like Syria and Libya, and those were humanitarian disasters.

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the board. And that's what I think in a big picture,

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Speaker 1: If they go at it alone. I mean, we saw

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what happened before. And also last time, it wasn't only

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the United States who was tracking and looking to shoot

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down these these missiles. Jordan was helping, There were there

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region who were helping with this. I don't know how

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much help. I don't know how much help they would

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get this time from from those powers, because it's especially

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after what could be said last week and the kind

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of reaction that the Arab the Arab world had to it.

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but you know, the they don't want I mean, I

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think that people are really just sick of Israel at

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this point, and really the only one that's going to

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give any serious, any serious assistant is going to assistance

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is going to be the United States.

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back channel wise any uh further developments from that. I'm

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sure there's been talks. I'm sure, absolutely sure that the

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State Department's been working over time. Uh, you know, the Saudi,

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I mean, what I really hope doesn't happen. And I

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don't want to be alarmist, my my, my, I really

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want to be as realist as possible. But but but

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remember that Saudis in the pack in the Pakistanis have

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come to a certain understanding, and the Pakistanis in the

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Afghans are going at it hard right now hard. You know,

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you just don't want this thing to touch off a

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region wide war conflict that could easily start collecting other

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players the way you know a lint ball starts collecting

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getting bigger the longer you leave it in a in

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the dryer. You just you don't want that to happen,

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and the problem is we've got some Look, I don't

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want to I think Wikoff and Kushner UH have have

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done their best. I think having Zionists Jewish guys trying

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to be your lead negotiators is a mistake, but it

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is what it is. I don't don't think those guys

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are Look, it could be a whole lot worse. Uh.

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I mean, we could have Lutnik over there, and I

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think that guy's showing his true colors now a little bit,

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and he's been in way over his head. But that's

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more on the economic side, obviously. But but I just

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think you have you have a real witch's brew of

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of factors and players that could get sideways really quick.

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If if this you know, I'll be honest. In my

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discretionary I'm a systematic guy, but in the discretionary part

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of my UH, in in in my hedge fund, and

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in my family office, we took all discretionary risk off

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the table. Today. Now it may turn out I hope

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that that was you know, you don't want to make

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money on your hedges. I hope that turns out to

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be the wrong trade. I really do. I hope that

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we go well. I wish we would have stayed in

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this over the weekend and through the next week. But but

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that's that's me put my money where my that's where

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my convictions are. I think this thing could get a

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little sideways, huck could be really messed up. Let's see,

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I don't think you're gonna have uh Jordan. You know,

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will Jordan allow over flights? Because if Jordan doesn't allow overflight,

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then you're it's gonna make You're gonna have to have

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a tank or stop with anything coming out of our

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It's not the link of the Ford that's in the

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uh you know, in the Ford doesn't have F thirty five's.

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Believe it or not, Our latest and greatest aircraft carrier

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cannot utilize the F thirty five. It's just uh FA

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eighteen's e's, f's and g's. So the g's are the growlers.

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That's your suppression of enemy air defense platform. But it

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can't use the F thirty fives. But but those the

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the F eighteen, although it has better endurance than it's

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early version, is not a None of these are high

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endurance birds. So you're gonna have to tank if we

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can't overfly Jordan, and that's a mess. So I don't

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know how this works. You know, we'll see you can't

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have a high sorty rate. This isn't desert storm where

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we're just rolling, you know, sorty after sorty. We can't

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support that. And we have a low magazine depth, probably

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three rounds of Tomahawks, and so I don't know how

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this goes. I think the plan will be to hit hard,

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very hard, with a not try to have a knockout

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punch and bring them to the table quick. We'll see

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if that works.

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Speaker 1: You think the point of the presence building up like

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that was to part of that was to try to

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bring them to the table and show them how serious

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you are. And another part of it is to be

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ready when you know, if quote unquote negotiations fail.

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Speaker 2: I think the plan was always gunboat diplomacy absolutely is. Hey,

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look look at this, we've got parked right off your

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coast here. Uh, And I mean we've even moved in

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the literal uh combat ships, not literal but litoral, it's

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pronounced literal. Uh. The the shallow, the basically your mind, uh,

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your mind clearing shallow water ships. We'll see if they

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work this. You know, we have two classes of those.

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Neither one have been a particular success, but those have

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been moved in. So we're serious. Uh. But I think

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negotiating team, and we we did not want there to

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have to be any kind of complick. Just come to

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the table, look what we can do. And you would

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think that after last summer, you know, did we completely

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knock out their nuclear preyer obviously not. Look we're back

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at this deal. But it was a pretty effective strike

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from the sense of you know, we barely got I

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don't think we got shot out. We were able to

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suppress on the way in h Are. You know, the

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bombs all hit the targets, and we were able to

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get egress effectively. So so from a from a from

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an an ability to deploy uh uh, employ the weapons

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as wet at our leisure. We showed the ability to

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do that. But you know, the I told you know,

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the the regime in Iran right now has no strategic tactically, yes,

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but strategic incentive to go along with what we're proposing

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because the only thing that we've shown that will keep

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us from from ultimately attacking or a color revolutioning you

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or whatever is a nuclear stockpile. And North Korea was

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able to get it. You don't see us going and

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doing this with North Korea. And they are probably a

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that's a lesser other than their nukes, lesser capable group

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than Iran. I mean, Iran is a fortress, you know, geographically,

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hopefully we can. I would hate to see the last

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few flying F fourteen's destroyed, you know, but they can't

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they can't employ a lot of a lot of aircraft,

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but missiles and and radar and those kind of things.

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last summer. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on the the Chinese releasing evidence that

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they can in real time show where our planes are

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everything is.

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Speaker 2: I'm incredibly impressed. I'm incredibly impressed. Not with the the

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technical complexity of what they did. That's what they released

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is far below their capability. Trust me, you're seeing a

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downscaled and I don't even know if if that was

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a rental or if that was from their own platform.

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go public rather than back channel with it, because what

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they're saying is what they're doing is exactly what we

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should be doing with regards and have tried to be

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doing with regards to Taiwan, is make the as publicly

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as expensive as possible. Now, the Chinese don't really care

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about public costs, uh, but we do. We care about

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really we're gonna put our guys in harm's way. I mean,

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the Chinese see right where our boats are. We're gonna

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you know, we as a mass democracy, for better or worse,

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we care about that, and we care what the perception

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is of Wait a minute, they know where all our

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stuff is. Uh. So I'm impressed with the Chinese. I

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don't like it, but I'm impressed. You know that that's

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exactly if I were in their shoes. They're they're doing.

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them in in the sense of hopefully we learn a

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little bit from it. You know, this is how you uh,

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going straight to Twitter. I mean it's uh, it's I

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love the ball Pardon me, but I love the balls

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of it. It's great. Right, And they've got a ship

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over there. You know, they got a ship sitting in

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the Persian Gulf, the Chinese Navy. Hold on, let me,

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I'll tell you exactly what ship it is, because I

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just was working on a right up. Let me see.

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I know this is great listening for all your folks.

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But uh, but I'll tell you what. I'll send it

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to you and you can put it in the show notes.

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But they've got a boat over there, and that scares

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me because that boat better not. Look, the last thing

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we want is for us to have a get in

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a ferb in a naval furball and have a Chinese

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boat get shot at. I mean, we don't want that,

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so you know, or I mean, I'm sure you're thinking

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what I'm thinking ahead of time, somebody else shooting at

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it and blaming it on us. You know, we don't

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want that, So.

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Speaker 1: I'll come I'll come back to scenarios like that. But

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I want to ask you a question. Well, it would

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seem very rhetorical to most people, but I know you're

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a realist you're not somebody who's like radically anti war,

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radically pro war. You will answer this question, honestly, what

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threat does Iran pose to an average American?

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Speaker 2: I think that Iran poses little to no threat to

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the average American. The problem is is we are here's

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the realist deal. We live in a democracy, and we

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have elections, and we have and we have the number

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one population of Jews in the world. This country has

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more Jews than Israel. It has more Jews than Russia,

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has more Jews than Poland. And so that is a

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political reality. And I don't have a problem with it

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being a political reality as long as it's held in

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realist as long as it matches the overall self interest

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of the country. In other words, I don't have us

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having I don't mind us having a you know, a hotline,

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a rational leader, not BB, but a rational leader of Israel.

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We've got a lot of Jews here and they have

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a special just as though if I were Italian, I

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would have a special place in my heart for Italy.

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I'm mostly English and Scottish, and hey, I get up

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every Saturday morning and watch Arsenal. You know, I get that.

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I love that flag that's behind us on the show.

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I like the Saint George's cross. That means something to me.

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It means nothing to me compared to my love for

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my family, my town, my state. I'm a proud Texan,

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my country. I mean, I I tier. I don't know

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about you, but man, with some of those team wins,

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and I watch both the women and the men win

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the gold in real time, uh in the hockey. Man

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when and I stayed with it for the flag raising ceremony,

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and I teared up. You know that is that means

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something to me? And does do? I think it means

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that Israel possibly means more to to to America to

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a certain portion, not all, but to a certain portion

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of American Jews that America does. Yeah, I do so.

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I think we have to get to a spot where

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that that tension is dealt with realistically. But we're not

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there politically. The lobby holds huge political sway and and

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and this gets me to you know, a question I

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asked to someone I know in the administration. I said, hey, look,

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if we're going to go do this and and and

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I do want to talk about some of the arm

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twisting that I think is going on with this. Can

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we get a little something out of it? Can we

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get the lobby to back the Save Act? That if

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we're going to be a democracy, can we at least

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ensure that our democracy is legitimate? Because I don't think

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it is. I don't think you think it is. We

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have far too many people who have no business voting

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in our elections that are voting. And if the lobby

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got behind the Save Act, do you think we could

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get that son of a gun passed? Of course, So

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why don't we hey look not to be too machivilian,

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because I don't want a bunch of Iranian people who

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have no beef with us to die. I don't I

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think they're going to sadly? Can we get something out

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of that? And I don't think that's going to happen

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because even admitting that the lobby exists publicly is considered

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anti Semitic, even though everybody knows that it exists, and

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everybody knows that the Fara is not enforced for Israeli operatives.

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So that's my biggest issue. No Iran does not pose

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a threat. Now what does Iran do? Iran's a bad actor.

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I mean, Iran funds the African National Congress. I had

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meetings last week with a group from South Africa. Great

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guys English, South African, Dutch, South African that are working

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to have some better arrangement I mean South Africa. If

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you guys, you guys who are watching or listening, if

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you have any connection whatsoever to what's going on over there.

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It's a disaster. And Iran is the number one funding

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source for the African National Congress, which is just a

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Marxist disaster. And you know, Iran does it so that

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they can get supposed eat cheap and easy brownie points

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at the UN, you know. And they fun some bad

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actors you know over there, do I. And it is

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true that they had a training they were funding. I

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can't remember, forgive me, I'm getting brain fogged if it

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was Hamas or Hezbola training group on off the north

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shore of Venezuela, for instance. That's one of the reasons

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we went in to get Maduro is so that we

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could have carte blanche to take care of that. So

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they do some bad things, But are they a threat

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to Are they about ready to create a missile that

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can reach the United States? Absolutely not that that is zero.

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Do I think that they could be if they wanted to.

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Could they get a shotgun device a nuclear device pretty quickly? Yeah, probably,

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but a shotgun device is very heavy, so that we

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talked about this on a previous episode. But a shotgun device,

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where you have a is a is you have a

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just below you know, usually a cylinder of highly enriched

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uranium that's below critical mass. You have a rod that

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fits into that, that's blown into it, usually via some

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form of you know, C five T and T so,

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and you get a super critical mass really quick. That

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was the first momb The bomb that we put on

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Hiroshima was a very big that's why we needed a

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whole B twenty nine to carry it. Was a was

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a shotgun device. That's that's what everyone who's first doing

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their first nuclear device. That's like the kindergarten level version.

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Not hard to figure out how to do the but

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but you still got to kind of test it, and

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they don't have any ability to test so so, but

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they could probably come up with one of those, I

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don't know, six to eighteen months maybe, but you can't

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stick it on top of a missile. These are massive,

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heavy things. Now, an implosion device, you can those are

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hard to make because it's the timing of getting all

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the all the that's where you have a subcritical You

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have a critical mass, but it's only supercritical once it's

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compressed into a smaller area, and that requires the what's

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very hard about that is is the timing of the

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very powerful explosives that you encase that mass within. But

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you can get those pretty small. Our W eighty eight

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warhead that sits in our trident, you know, it's in

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the Poseidon the Trident missiles that sits on top of

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those and used to be in our land based missiles.

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so an implosion device that fuels a therm of hydrogen

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fusion secondary. That whole thing is only eighteen inches around

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at the base and sixty inches tall. It's four eighty

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pounds some thereabouts. You can put one of those on

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top of a missile real easy, but that takes years

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of testing to get to and they're not anywhere near that.

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So normally that's plutonium, not I don't know of a

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implosion uranium device. Maybe it's theoretically possible. I know a

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lot about a lot of things. I'm not a nuclear

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engineer anyway. Point being, is the very long answer to

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your very short question is no, the Iranians don't pose

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any threat to us as things go right now. They're

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paying the ass. They can do some things we don't like.

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They can spend money here and there that we don't like,

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but not even a whole lot of that. They're a

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problem for Israel at the edges, but they're not really

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a problem for us. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would argue whether they are a problem for Israel

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if Israel wasn't the problem that they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, we only live in the world

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that we've got right, So I don't know. I tend

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to agree with you. They've been much more rational actors

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than they have been portrayed as I think most of

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their decision making has been along the lines of, yeah,

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you game theory this out, that's what most people would do.

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They in other words, they have always kept the threat

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that They've been very clear they don't want nukes. They

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haven't produced a nuke, they haven't done an underground test.

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We would know about it if they did. But they

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wanted that threat because that's the only thing that keeps

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us at the table, you know, And look Israel would

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love to turn them into Syria because that that means

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they're not able. They are not a threat to what

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Israel wants, which is Middle East hegemonic dominance. That's Israel's

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long game. Look, Huckabee wasn't lying when he said that, Look,

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I'd be He was clear. He said I'd be fine

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if they took over the whole region. That's the game

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Israel wants to play. And they've used us to take

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all these other players off, the players that have been

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a pain in the ass, but not real threats. Syria, Libya.

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Now it looks like Iran. But you know, it's gonna

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be a mess. It's gonna be a mess. I you know,

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I hope hopefully the plan is miraculously good. I just

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don't see how how they can, how we can do

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anything without just turning it into a humanitarian and geopolitical disaster.

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But you know, I'd love to be I would seriously

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love to be wrong about that.

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Speaker 1: Well. One of the things that our mutual friend Daryl

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Cooper said on Twitter was that, you know, basically what

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he's hearing is is that the reason that Trump that

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Trump is trying to maneuver something. You know, you would

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think that Trump would just go along with everything Israel

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once at this point, and anyone whose eyes are open

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realizes that's not happening. I mean, you're he's Israel's going

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to get something. But I think what Daryl said was

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is that people in power are scared that if Israel

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goes this alone, you're gonna end up using a nuclear weapon, right,

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and that that another power will use a nuclear weapon

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against them, and they will revert to the Samson option

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and just fire off all their nukes in whatever direction

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they want to.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and that that going as Eric Prince would

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say going off script. He usually means that about extra

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constitutional stuff here, but but that would be very off script.

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And you no one wants. No one wants that, you know.

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I think that's a very realistic I think Israel wants

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us to think that's a that's a realistic chance that

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they absolutely would do that, you know, And with regards

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to with regards to Iran, I you know, do I

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think they would do it? Probably? Maybe not, But I'm

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like fifty to fifty maybe fifty one forty nine. And

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you can't make you can't make these kind of geopolitical

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decisions based on you have to have ninety percent certainty.

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You know, if if Israel went nuke them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't know it, you know, I don't

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do they Does Israel, I mean there's multiple scenarios.

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Speaker 2: Does Israel try for a decapitation strike. Do they want

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to just turn the whole thing to glass? I mean,

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you would think that after what's gone on in Gaza

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that they would try to dial back the insanity. But

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maybe maybe that they are so emboldened by our lack

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of rhetoric against what's gone in in Gaza gone on

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in Gaza, that maybe they think they can do you

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know whatever.

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Speaker 1: To me, they what happened, what happened in God said

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there were a bunch of Hamas was hiding behind every

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civilian and pregnant woman that was that was killed. They

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turned it into the moon.

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Speaker 2: You know, Gaza looks like the moon now.

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Speaker 1: But but Hamas just hides behind civilians. That's all they do.

474
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,640
It's always human shields. It's not like it's not like

475
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440
putting Unit eighty two hundred in the middle of tel

476
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,599
Aviv is using it is using tel Aviv as human shields, right.

477
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Pete, you know some of the stuff

478
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,400
is a bit intractable because it goes back, you know,

479
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,240
seventy years.

480
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:30,599
Speaker 1: And twelve hundred. I can go back twelved.

481
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:33,599
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm talking about the particular I'm talking about the

482
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:46,160
particular execution of Hersel's dream. You know, it's I think

483
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,240
the answer to I have a lot of I don't

484
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,359
agree one hundred percent on everything, but I have a

485
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:56,200
lot of respect for John Merscheimer and Jeffrey Sachs, you know,

486
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,559
and Jeff's Jeff's a Jewish guy, so he coming at

487
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,519
this pretty honestly. But you know, just take it back

488
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,799
to the original border. Take Israel back to the original borders.

489
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:14,920
Allow create a neutral area in the West Bank that

490
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:22,640
is demilitarized, and you know, allow. I don't know nothing

491
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,839
that Israel is going to be happy with. And honestly,

492
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,079
right now, I think they are full on in this

493
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:33,559
march towards a greater Israel. I really think that. I

494
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:38,200
don't think there's any turning them away from that. And

495
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,759
as long as they've got us, you know, by the

496
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:46,559
short hairs, and let's talk about why that is. This

497
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:48,640
is where I really want to go with this is

498
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:52,079
why does and be and again to be realistic. Look,

499
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:57,480
I write for Claremont. I've got some friends. I've got

500
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,079
some really based Jewish friends that are awesome, and they

501
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:05,559
think this stuff is crazy, and you know, and and

502
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,679
uh so I want to make sure people know that

503
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,079
that I have a real problem with the current the

504
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:19,960
current expression of of of Greater Zion. I don't have

505
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,039
a problem with anybody having their own homeland to do

506
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,320
whatever they want to, you know, live, as Schmidt would say,

507
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,400
have their own way of life. I don't have a

508
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,679
problem with that. It's the fact that they're trying to

509
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:34,360
wag you know, they're the tail wagging us as the

510
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,400
dog helping us enforce them wiping out other peoples in

511
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,320
order to have that way alive. But but you know,

512
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,320
I'm not in a point being is I'm not coming

513
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,280
at this from some I'm a you know, I'm a

514
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,360
I'm a I'm a self admitted squish when it comes

515
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,239
to to to Jewish you know, Jewish folks. So I'm like,

516
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,760
you know, whatever, I don't have a I don't you know,

517
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,760
that's just not my thing. That being said, they they

518
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,039
do walk, they they do know they have us by

519
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:17,440
the short hairson, Why is that? Well, since. And I

520
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,320
think it's right around the Reagan period. You know Nixon

521
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,079
was he was no, you know, not a Philo semi,

522
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,000
but he got along very well with the with you

523
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:35,320
had this very weird transition from JFK, who was, you know,

524
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,840
not our guy, but on these things, he was very

525
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,920
circumspect about what was going on in Israel. I mean,

526
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,159
maybe it got him killed, right, I don't know. We've

527
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,360
never talked about JFK. But so I don't know where

528
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,360
you are and all that, but I know that I

529
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,639
know that the guy who wiped out Oswald was part

530
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,840
of the you know, the Jewish mob here and Rubinstein,

531
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Jack Ruby was We have a very big presence of

532
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,880
Jewish organized crime here in Dallas. Why the mafia has

533
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,199
never been here, I hope I'm okay saying that out loud,

534
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,639
but trust me, that's always been the case here. And

535
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,679
the Italian the Sicilians have never been able to make

536
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,800
in roads into Dallas because of that, that's just not

537
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,639
their their territory. But but there's always been that presence

538
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,840
and here in Dallas, and maybe and and JFK was

539
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,280
pretty hardcore about Israel not getting nuclear weapons, and Israel

540
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,119
did not like that, did it get him killed? I

541
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,960
don't know, you know, I don't know. I know it

542
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,559
wasn't the Russians. The Russians called us and said, hey,

543
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,039
you got this nut down and meeting with us in

544
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:45,800
Mexico City. Who's making you know, overtures about wanting to

545
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,519
kill Kennedy? That ain't us. The last thing the Russians

546
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,400
wanted to was have the killing of a US president

547
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,159
on their deal, right, They did not want that. But

548
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,440
so you go from Kennedy to LBJ, and LBJ absolutely

549
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:07,800
kind of goes the other way. There's some stories about

550
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:13,320
smuggling weapons in with UH into Israel preparing for the

551
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,840
Six Day War and all that that that that LBJ

552
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,519
absolute and we know that LBJ helped snuff out the

553
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:23,119
story on the on the Liberty and and so LBJ

554
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,920
kind of goes the other way. And then you get Nixon,

555
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,920
and Nixon's tries to ride that bicycle on the tightrope.

556
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,440
He really does. He realizes that, hey, look I we've

557
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,159
got the Shaw who's on our side. And Nixon and

558
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,880
the Shaw got along swimmingly, and and he can deal

559
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:47,079
with the with the Israelis. You know, didn't want fighting

560
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:53,159
to further fighting to erupt with Egypt. Uh. And so

561
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,920
he tries to really ride that and and I think,

562
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,119
I think, I think Nixon with his uh his I know,

563
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,239
he cussed like a sailor, but the guy was a

564
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,800
faith I mean, he was a Quaker. He had this

565
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,559
kind of deep seated faith that he wanted to treat

566
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,239
people who had been persecuted gently. He really did. And

567
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,639
and so I think he tried to ride that, ride

568
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:24,400
that tightrope, so to speak. And then you get you know,

569
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,039
you get Ford who Ford was just trying to keep

570
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,360
the country from falling apart at that point, and Carter

571
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,559
was a mess. You know, he gets the he gets

572
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:40,840
the peace agreement with with Bagan and Sadat, but that

573
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:45,480
was at the cost of us giving both sides a

574
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:50,199
bajillion dollars. So, just in case you don't know, it's

575
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:54,360
Israel and Egypt are numbers one and two, and they're

576
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,280
not always it's Israel's not always number one and Egypt's

577
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,199
not always number two, but they are number one one

578
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:06,039
and number two in four and eight, okay. And so

579
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:10,920
that's how you got the Bagan Sadat Monock and began

580
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:16,280
Nmar Saddat peace deal is we're just gonna buy them off,

581
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:26,079
and that was Carter's deal, but it really didn't didn't

582
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,639
have anything other than that, and that was great. It's

583
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,760
just cost us a crap ton of money. But then

584
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,360
you get to Reagan and things change. It's like you

585
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,039
it's the The attitude in Washington became, this is our

586
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:47,880
protectorate now almost and we sold them a bunch of

587
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,800
F sixteen's. They used F sixteens and F fifteen's to

588
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,719
go take out Oh good Night, what was the name

589
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:01,519
of the reactor. But that was in seventy nineteen, seventy nine,

590
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,559
nineteen eighty, using US hardware, And that moment I think

591
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,119
solidified this because if you remember, it was a pretty

592
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,679
ballsy operation that the Israelis pulled out. They had the

593
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,800
call sign basically flew in very very tight formation and

594
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,679
had a civilian call sign in order to go over.

595
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,159
None of the other countries knew what they were doing.

596
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:32,559
This was before stealth. These were sixteens and seventeens, I

597
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:37,400
mean fifteens and sixteen, so eagles and vipers, and they

598
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,199
take out the the reactor and everybody's pretty impressed. And

599
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:48,320
at that point it became politically the thing to align with, Hey,

600
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,239
well we're because remember we're coming out of Vietnam where

601
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,159
we got our asses. I mean, God blessed those guys.

602
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,920
They were hamstrung by the rules of engagement. It was

603
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,639
a weird fire. We probably shouldn't have been over there

604
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,400
the way we were, but we got our asses kicked

605
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,360
all the way back to you know, all the way

606
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,199
back to Saigon, and the famous pictures of us flying

607
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:17,159
off the roofs, just like in Afghanistan. Okay, And we

608
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,360
had a ton of refugees from Vietnam come over here,

609
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,760
and we were trying to identify with winners. And that

610
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:33,119
changed this attitude towards Israel from okay, all right too, yeah,

611
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,239
we're with them. And that happened on Reagan's watch, and

612
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,360
it was very much followed by by George Herbert Walker Bush.

613
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:49,480
By that point, I think the Masad CIA sharing of assets.

614
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:54,760
Even though on the ground those two groups, the clandestine

615
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,400
Services and Masad do not get along, it's at the

616
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,719
political level that they that they get along. But anyway,

617
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,960
point being is this attitude towards how we treat Israel

618
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,920
and it becoming almost like how we would treat I mean,

619
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,360
we almost love it more than like, I mean Puerto Rico,

620
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,639
for instance, which is right off our shore and is

621
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,599
our protectorate or is it a protectorate or is it

622
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:24,719
a territory. I always get those two confused commonwealth commonwealth,

623
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,400
but but you don't need a passport to those that's

624
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,199
our land. But we treat Israel almost as it's more important, right,

625
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,559
or more important than Guam or American Samoa or the

626
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,079
US Virgin Islands, these places that are United States, right,

627
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,239
And that changed in this period of time. And that's

628
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,239
kind of where I see it changing. Was that with

629
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,760
that one operation and with US trying to regain you

630
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:55,199
know this this uh you well you saw it with

631
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:01,760
the with what Nixon the Nixon the Dixon testimony that

632
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,719
just came out was was foied out with that the

633
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,039
CIA finally released where or Justice Department released where he

634
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,480
basically said, Look, I'm not going to defend myself even

635
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:18,480
in Watergate, because in doing so, I'm going to have

636
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:21,440
to reveal all these things that will reflect so poorly

637
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,559
on the on the US as a whole, and on

638
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,440
the military specifically, and we just couldn't afford. I mean,

639
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,400
what a patriot Richard Nixon was he just took one

640
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,079
for the team at the cost of his own legacy.

641
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,960
Now that's being recovered, thank god. A patriot. But but

642
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:42,760
you see the attitude there in the mid seventies that

643
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,840
we were we were really limping along there. And uh so,

644
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,719
I think I think this attitude change with Israel came

645
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,800
about as as a result of that and with some

646
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,559
of the stuff they did. You know, they they kicked

647
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,920
ass and a couple of little operations in a couple

648
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,159
of wars and a couple of operations, and we wanted

649
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:05,880
to be associated with that and didn't realize what we

650
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,199
were biting off and doing so, I mean, you know,

651
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,440
uh so they had so Now with the lobby and

652
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,079
and and with the power politics in the in the

653
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,880
Middle East, you know, you've got these it would be

654
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,960
very easy to in theory to say, look, let's let

655
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,840
a Ran have a limited nuclear capability as a balance

656
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,800
of power there both against against Turkey, which is the

657
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,920
up and coming wanting to be the regional hedgemon. They

658
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,639
they built bases down in the Horn of Africa. Israel's

659
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:42,199
now committed to building a base down there in Somaliland,

660
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,000
which is the northern part of Somalia. And and that

661
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:47,960
all sounds good. But the problem is you have this

662
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,960
idea of non proliferation and why is that that that

663
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:55,400
to us realists that we we kind of push against that.

664
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:59,559
But here's here's the logic behind not proliferation. Is you

665
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:03,760
want to in game theory, if you have a Mexican standoff,

666
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,880
the more players you which is what MAD is mutually

667
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,920
sure destruction is it's a Mexican standoff. You want the

668
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,400
as as the number of trigger fingers and players increases,

669
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:25,639
the stability of the system decreases and you have to

670
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,679
assume all irrational actors. Now, while I think Iran has

671
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,280
acted with pretty good rationality, that is not the security

672
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,639
you know, the foreign policy establishment uh and does not

673
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,800
hold to that. So that's why you're gonna have non proliferation.

674
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:52,159
And there it's just so the idea of giving allowing

675
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,639
Iran to have you know, say, five to ten nukes

676
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,880
and also non proliferation MAD depends upon a second strike

677
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,400
capacity in order, otherwise it doesn't work right if they

678
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,519
can take all your bullets out with their first strike,

679
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,039
they can't. You're not dissuaded from doing that by their

680
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:20,400
second strike capacity, and no one's arguing to give Iran

681
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,639
one hundred nukes, right, So it's just not going to happen.

682
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:27,639
As much as that might work in theory, it's just

683
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,800
not gonna happen, not in the even our foreseeable future.

684
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,800
So so here's where we are. So Israel's got us

685
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,880
by the short hairs. And and if if if they

686
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,840
go it alone, if Israel goes alone against Iran and

687
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,599
it starts to go badly, which it would, it's ninety

688
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:52,960
million people versus eight And even though Israel is very

689
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,719
capable for that eight million, it's still just eight million.

690
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,079
You're gonna get drug into it because the political cost

691
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,519
is too high to not from the world, because we've

692
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,599
supported Israel all this time. Look, you're the guys who

693
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,599
made them what they are. You're you're the guys who

694
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,800
have Now you're gonna let him just get nuked. It's

695
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,639
just not going to happen, not nuked. But you know,

696
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,559
so we are where we are. I hate that, but

697
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,960
it is what it is. And I think I think

698
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,880
Trump is in a position where he feels very alone.

699
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:32,559
I think he feels like we know that IDF is

700
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,320
all through the Pentagon. I would be shocked if Masade

701
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,000
isn't at some level or at least a fellow traveler

702
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:45,719
somewhere in the in the in the West wing. I

703
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,800
don't say that as a judgment against us. I'm just

704
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,519
saying that's how would you know? You know? And so

705
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:59,760
he feels isolated and alone and with his backup against

706
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,719
the wall, and as opposed to allowing Israel to own

707
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,159
all the terms, He's going He's like, look, if I'm

708
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,000
going to get drug into this, I might as well

709
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,639
be I'm going to choose the time and place and

710
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,119
implement and how this goes. I don't want to get

711
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,400
a call in the middle of the night that Bebe's

712
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,159
sent rockets over to Iran and now I got to

713
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,760
figure out what I'm going to go do, which is

714
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,599
what happened last June. So that's kind of where I

715
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,280
think we are. I don't like it, but it's where

716
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:30,639
we are.

717
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: Well, when you if you argue that the reason why

718
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,119
the United States government sided with Israel because they were,

719
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,920
you know, a success at the time, doesn't that doesn't

720
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:54,320
that imply that basically a dying empire where you you

721
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,840
you have to oh, we need to we need to

722
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,840
side with these people who were, I mean who all

723
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,800
are are actually rising because they can take our resources,

724
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,880
steal our nuclear material, do all this steal our money. Yeah,

725
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,480
yet we're a dying empire. I mean sure, yeah, it

726
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:18,760
did some ass kicking in Iraq in Iraq War one,

727
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,800
but everything after that turned into a clown show. I mean,

728
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,880
especially the initial the initial invasion of Afghanistan allowing you know,

729
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,119
allowing Bin Laden to escape into Pakistan. I mean that's one.

730
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:38,559
Speaker 2: Of the Yeah, absolutely so. So multiple answers. I'll let's

731
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:43,199
go let's go very meta. First. When people have feel

732
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,280
nostalgia for the United States, when do they feel it

733
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,440
for they the nineteen fifties, the nineteen eighties, and the

734
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:55,239
nineteen nineties, Right, they do not feel it for the sixties.

735
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,159
Well maybe some you know, old burnouts feel it for

736
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:05,039
the sixties, but you know, the sixties were sexual, rebel,

737
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,679
all these things that have led us down the path

738
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,519
we're in now culturally. And the seventies. Look, I lived

739
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:15,039
through the seventies. I was my earliest political memories were

740
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:20,920
of Watergate. It was you want to talk about you

741
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,440
think everybody was saying, well, it's just we're trying to

742
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,800
bide time until the Russians take over the world because

743
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,559
we are the dying empire now. So this is not

744
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:33,119
anything new, you know. And then Reagan came along and

745
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:37,079
it was like Katie bar the door because we were

746
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,800
going to have a seven hundred ship navy and ten

747
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,960
ten aircraft carriers and the you know, the you know.

748
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:53,599
And then Clinton, for the disgusting rapist that he was,

749
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,639
you know, he kept the party going, so to speak.

750
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,800
And we actually had a budget surplus under under Clinton

751
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,559
that was mostly thanks to contract with America. But Clinton

752
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:10,039
was a president and uh. And so people feel very

753
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:13,639
nostalgia about the about the fifties and the and the

754
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,239
eighties and nineties, but not about the seventies. It was

755
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:23,480
a mess. And so this isn't new and and could

756
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:29,360
you turn it around quickly? Yeah, but to take exercising

757
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,840
political will that I'm not seeing willing to be exercised.

758
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,320
And I'm not talking about going off script. I'm talking about,

759
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,400
you know again, Reagan made Will. Will Tanner is gonna

760
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,719
be up my rear about praising Reagan. Will is awesome

761
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,719
if you're watching, will love you, brother, And I'm not

762
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,840
Reagan made some really bad mistakes. I mean, the the

763
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:59,840
the the the amnesty deal was terrible, so and and

764
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:03,840
there were some other questionable things. But man, from where

765
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,000
we were coming from in the seventies, dying Empire, people

766
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:12,760
had were putting dirt on our faces, you know. So anyway,

767
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,480
point being is that you can turn this around with

768
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:18,360
the resources that we have, but you've got to get

769
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,039
things like the Save Act. You've got to get things

770
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,039
like getting you can you can you get your own

771
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:28,400
senators on board. You can't have Murkowski's just flipping you off.

772
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,000
You can't have fun, eh, you know, I don't know,

773
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,159
you know, I don't want federal takeover or federal elections.

774
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:39,239
That sounds kind of bad. I mean, it's a joke.

775
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:45,920
So I think I think that Trump is the type

776
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,559
of guy who's so big picture and he's great at that. Man,

777
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,679
I love the guy, but he's so big picture. He

778
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,840
wants Susie to run the day to day in the

779
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,000
West Wing, and Susie's not one of us. Susan Hey, look,

780
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:03,320
as much as she bugs me, she keeps the trains

781
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,039
running on time. She runs a very tight ship. But

782
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:10,840
she's not ideologically a right winger. She thinks we're nuts.

783
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:17,480
Everybody read the Vanity the Vanity Fair piece. So so

784
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,400
you're not gonna get and that's who is gonna whip Hey,

785
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,039
the White House is gonna come after your ass if

786
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:27,760
you don't get on board over here. And that's just

787
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,199
not gonna happen. With with with with Wiles running the

788
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,880
White House and she's chief of staff, That's who I'm

789
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,400
talking about. Susie Wiles. Her dad and my dad were

790
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,559
very best friends. Uh So I've been around Susie a

791
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:43,800
little bit and she was very cordial, very nice. This

792
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,159
has been years ago, back in the in the odds,

793
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,760
but you know, so, uh, it's just not gonna happen.

794
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,880
It's gonna take another it's gonna be the next regime

795
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,920
or a major shakeup in the cabinet. And I just

796
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,400
don't know. I don't know if that's if that's in

797
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,960
the cards. I just don't. I'd love to. I'm not

798
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,119
trying to be a downer. I'm not trying to be

799
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:12,639
a fatalist here. We're of one mind on where we

800
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:17,000
want this thing to go. I just I don't know

801
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:22,840
if it's gonna happen. It's kind of me being realist.

802
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,079
Ron and I'm not blackpilling again. I think you can

803
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:28,639
pull a rabbit out of this hat. I really do.

804
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,639
I don't even think the midterms are a fatal company

805
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,280
right now. I don't because the secondary. Everybody's looking at

806
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:41,519
the general numbers. Uh, general Democrat versus General Republican. But

807
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:49,280
general general Democrat General Democrat does not isn't running and

808
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,000
general Republican isn't running. Uh, You've got specific guys, and

809
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,559
those numbers aren't that bad. So I'm not even a

810
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,639
doomer on the on the midterms, but you better get

811
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:03,840
your ass and gear right now about getting this show

812
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,239
on the road. And I think Trump wants to get

813
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:12,159
this ran thing behind him quickly so that they can

814
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,880
move on and right now, it's just, uh, you know,

815
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,000
that's why I think something's going to happen.

816
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,599
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, Yeah, it makes sense, you know.

817
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:28,559
I guess you also have to have the perception of

818
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:32,360
being in charge. And when you have these judges running

819
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,000
around thumbing their nose at you, when you have states

820
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:42,079
that are completely basically lost. I mean, California is we

821
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:46,559
don't even know what California is anymore. Minnesota, and that's sad.

822
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:48,559
Speaker 2: I mean when you and our kids. I'm a little

823
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:49,400
bit older than you, Pete.

824
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,599
Speaker 1: But we wanted everybody wanted to everybody wanted to get

825
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:54,880
rich and moved.

826
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,639
Speaker 2: To move to California. Man, And it was the.

827
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: Beach boys to be each boys existed because they wrote

828
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:06,119
songs about California, about living in California.

829
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: H dude, surf music. Are you kidding me? When so

830
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,840
I was recruited to go play baseball at Pepperdine, I

831
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,639
don't know why. I wasn't that good. I mean, I

832
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,119
think I know why. It was for some cultural you know,

833
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:18,840
I was a leader and all this kind of stuff.

834
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,960
But but wasn't that good to baseball player? And but

835
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,159
I'd go out there. I went out there and visited.

836
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,760
It was heaven. It was. It was you. You have

837
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,039
you guys who are in your twenties and thirties. Now

838
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:40,360
even you have no idea what nineteen eighties California looks like.

839
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,360
Whatever you can imagine it was better. It was just

840
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,000
Texas was pretty. I love my state, but imagine Texas

841
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:55,599
except with perfect weather. I mean, La Joia, California? Are

842
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:59,880
you kidding me? It was just you know anyway? I mean,

843
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:07,559
sanfran was always weird, but but I was. I was contained.

844
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:09,199
It was contained.

845
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:12,599
Speaker 1: I was saying this just ten years ago. I was like,

846
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,159
I would I was planning. I wanted to go to

847
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:18,679
San Francisco to look at the architecture or see the historical.

848
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:19,599
Speaker 2: And everything like that.

849
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: It's like, I wouldn't go near that place. Now, No,

850
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,760
ten years.

851
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: And uh so you know, you're you're you're, oh gosh,

852
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,039
what was your point? We've got states?

853
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: But saying he just has the judges, the judges, Yeah.

854
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so with the let me let me say one thing.

855
00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:43,199
And I know everybody's been bashing the Supreme Court for

856
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,159
good reason. I mean, some of the logic and hypocrisy

857
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:52,440
has been been incredible and and uh uh uh incredibly bad.

858
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:59,199
That being said, letnux uh tariff plan from a structure

859
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:03,639
standpoint was terrible. We were all of us who had,

860
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:08,159
you know, paid attention to these things. We knew where

861
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:14,800
this Scotis situation was come there was. Could they have

862
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,400
gone the other way and made a legal argument for it, Yes,

863
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,599
because the logic they used to describe the tariffs as

864
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:28,760
attacks would have absolutely do the same court or the

865
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,480
same Chief Justice would have doomed Obamacare. So yeah, we

866
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,639
all know that's a joke. Okay, that being said, what

867
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,519
Nick's plan was terrible, it was it should have always

868
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:46,719
been Scott Bessant. And look, I got differences as far

869
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,000
as how I lived my life than Scott Bessant does.

870
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,519
But Scott Bessant is absolutely at the top of the

871
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:57,960
list for competency in that in that administration. This dude

872
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:04,000
is very, very smart, very competent. He looks at things

873
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,599
transactionally in his trades. That's how you want not just secretary,

874
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:12,480
but economic policy to be run. And he should have

875
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:14,480
always been in charge of it. Now that he is,

876
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,480
you it's it will be much much better. But how

877
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:24,239
having Leutnik it was a joke to begin with. Has

878
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,239
he has he been the face of some stuff in

879
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,360
the past, Yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, absolutely, but he should

880
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,440
have never been on that as the leader of that

881
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:37,000
of that tariff plan, I mean we had it was

882
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,719
an emergency deal. If you'd use that emergency language as

883
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,719
the way to phase in to a tariff plan, fine,

884
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,000
sixty to ninety days. Absolutely, But they were it was

885
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:54,639
just it was terrible. It was terrible and and but

886
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,719
but they never dotted the eyes and crossed the t's

887
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:01,199
and it was because you know, anyway, I can't say

888
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,239
enough bad about that, and I'm not saying that bad

889
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,880
about the president. I'm saying about you know. It's it

890
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:16,400
was very similar to to to wit coough and uh

891
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:19,559
and sorry, hold on, let me kill this right now.

892
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:31,000
So uh, the uh, Witcoff and Kushner are the exact

893
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:34,639
wrong people to have leading the negotiating negotiations right now.

894
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:39,119
Are they capable in some other areas, certainly, but it's

895
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:41,880
just a bad choice. That's the same thing with Lutnik.

896
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,239
You know, here's a guy who's capable in some other areas,

897
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,360
but he absolutely wasn't qualified to be doing this grand

898
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:53,159
tariff strategy. And we're seeing some of these same problems

899
01:00:53,159 --> 01:01:00,239
that we had in the first uh administration, in the

900
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:06,840
first administration, first Trump administration recur. So, hold on, I

901
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,960
gotta I might have to jump here here in a second.

902
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,079
I've got a let me see three three, I gotta.

903
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:17,960
I gotta probably jump here in five or ten minutes. Sadly,

904
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:21,199
I've got a family issue that's just come up.

905
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:26,079
Speaker 1: I apologize, no problem, we can wrap up. Why don't

906
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:30,320
you just finish off talking about the judges and all this.

907
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: The biggest issue that you have right now with the

908
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:39,400
judges is that you have this idea of judicial supremacy

909
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:46,440
to where the district courts have universal are given universal jurisdiction.

910
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:50,320
And that's a real problem because it means any district

911
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,000
court can absolutely shut down anything you were wanting to do.

912
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:01,880
So it's it's that's got to be and there's a

913
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,719
challenge before the court, but it hasn't been it hasn't

914
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,360
been brought up yet. I don't know the exact mechanics,

915
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,800
but that's what's holding things up, right. But the Supreme Court,

916
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:18,840
you you have to consider that you've got three guys

917
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,079
really with us, three guys kind of with us, but

918
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:25,639
you've gotta you've got to give them a reason to

919
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:28,960
be but but real. But but also know that that

920
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,800
Roberts hates Trump, so you got to get him over

921
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,400
that hump. And then three that are against you, okay,

922
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,599
And that's the makeup of the court. So you can't.

923
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:43,119
You can't depend on the Supreme Court to fix your

924
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:49,519
your sloppy structure. Okay, you just can't. You've gotta you've

925
01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:52,960
got to have your tea's crossing, your eyes dotted and

926
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:56,719
there have been times where the administration has been fast

927
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,519
and loose, and and so that's the deal with the judges,

928
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,800
and and I don't and and Trump's not a lawyer.

929
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,480
He's always hired the best lawyer. So he's not going

930
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:11,039
to think through these things structurally. He's gonna think think

931
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,800
through things in terms of ought to and uh that's

932
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:16,840
how that goes.

933
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I know you got to get out

934
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,960
of here, so I will Sadly, I.

935
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: Could talk about this for a while, but I do

936
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:26,280
need to deal with this family situation. I apologize.

937
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,559
Speaker 1: I will. I will make sure to link to all

938
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:32,159
your everywhere that people can find your work. And thank you,

939
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,079
thanks for thanks for making time for me today.

940
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: Pete, this was great. Yeah. I just wrote a piece

941
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:40,960
at a piece in the American mind on the Save

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Act and it's greater implications. And I've had some some

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stuff on my sub that I'm really proud of, one

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on Household AI that I would love your your listeners

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to check out. It's free for now, and uh, I

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would love to get their feedback. Yeah, I was. I

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was really proud of that piece. So check it out

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if you if you, if you desire.

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Speaker 1: I'll link to it. Thank you, Ronie, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You bet see you guys. M h m hmm.