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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and

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now it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to the Parallel Warped Peak Show with myself

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Neil Ward, and we have our guest presenter tonight is

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Ben Emlyn Jones. How are you Ben, Hi, Neil, I'm

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very well.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. Good to be back on the show yet again.

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I always love these programs.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. And just to explain about Andy.

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Andy Chaplain is busy at the minute preparing for Halloween.

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So with his tuned in Events, he's doing lots of

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events around the southeast Hertfordshire area, S six that kind

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of way, doing his tuned in events. That's where he

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does psychic and mediumship nights, entertainment nights normally at pubs,

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and he's doing specials for Halloween. So go to Facebook

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on tuned in Events and check that out if you're

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interested in having a reading in a pub in the

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southeast area. So good luck with that, Andy. So Ben,

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we have another guest with us tonight and it's somebody

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that you went to the other Man with. Would you

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like to introduce her?

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Speaker 3: Yes, certainly, this is somebody I know very well, actually

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I've met her many times and we've been on a

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couple of adventures and we've also been to conferences together.

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It is Jackie Tonks Hey, Jackie, Hello, it's nice to

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be back.

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Speaker 4: I came on the is it about six years ago,

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wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: It's so quickly you and Richard Freeman came on and

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I think you was recording at Richards house, wasn't you.

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I think you set up a microphone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so we discussed all manner of things from

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everything sasquat to to killer worms or something like that.

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Speaker 4: It's very interesting, was it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So thanks for coming back on with this. So

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basically this show has kind of evolved from a few

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discussions and we thought were bringing people that know more

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about it than us, and that's the name you the

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sol me. Richard can't be with us because he's out

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hunting apes or something.

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Speaker 4: Dicky Stan looking for the goal, which is gel it's

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a type an eight man type yetty thing, and he's

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also looking for the tiger out there. There's somethings that

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Caspian tigers meant to be extinct and yet people are

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seeing it.

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Speaker 3: So it's exciting. I remember he's been to Style before

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and when the last Weird Week in North he did

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a presentation about his adventure there and he said he

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came very close to the goal and he's convinced it exists,

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and well, we wish him luck, stay safe, Richard, and

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to bring back the goods.

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Speaker 2: It does sound a dangerous pursuit, I must admit. I mean,

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when you go into that country and they say reasons

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for a visiting the country and you say, oh, I'm

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going to hunt creatures that don't afficially exist and that

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all welcome to the country, sir or something, it must

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be a strange one.

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Speaker 4: They're supposed to be. The locals are very very friendly

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and you know, very helpful, he said, so, yeah, but

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the goal is supposed to be very aggressive. So he's

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sort of the definitely want to He doesn't I go

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over to your friend either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: For a guy who says he hates camping, it's amazing because

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he keeps going to parts of the world where attend

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is the only accommodation available.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he puts up with it when he has to. Yeah,

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but he's done that things' He's also he's also been

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to Australia a couple of times because he's been after

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the Tasmanian tiger. This book about that, that's really extraordinary,

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an interesting book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Iran pendet, which is the new type a that's

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not right walking orangutang that my species that might exist

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in Samatra. There's a lot of different ones. He's into

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late monsters them are I mean, might have been sort

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of more into the really common it's but obviously they

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go into America. COVID put stop to that, and I've

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got to and yet to go back. But myself and

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Ben we were looking at the investigating with a group lapists,

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the jeff the talking Mongos. The Isle of Man is

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quite a strange thing. Yeah, it's one of those that

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investigat of hard price. You can't tell what was it

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fate or did it really happen, but it's so bizarre

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you tend to think it probably did really happen.

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Speaker 3: An amazing story. We spent eight days over there with me,

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Jackie Richard and a few other people and we I've

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never been to the Isle of Man before. It's one

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of the most extraordinary places and we did. We went

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to we went to the location of the house which unfortunate.

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out of the ground. But we went to the location

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of the house of the family that had these encounters

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with Jeff the sulking mongos allegedly, and we also bash

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to get hold of some sort of offer from a

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butcher's and Richard laid out a trap with the help

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of the other members of the team to try and

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photograph Jeff or one of the cousins of Jeff, because

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there's a there may be other mongooses of the non

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talking variety, so we've introduced.

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Speaker 4: Them to the island mans, so we definitely know there

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were mongooses there in the place we hire here Kashlin

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every year is the farm from which they were introduced

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the island.

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Speaker 3: We won mongoose ground zero where we were actually staying.

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The location was it nineteen seventeen's happened.

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Speaker 4: It was very early in the century.

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Speaker 3: It was over one hundred years ago, and there's every

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show offers people see them. Maybe Jeff, I mean Jeff

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maybe still around. We don't know, because we did them

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rather controversially. We did a seance as well with Richard

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to try and conjure up the spirit of Jeff, because

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Jeff is likely to be some kind of if it exists,

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it's likely to be not like an actual beast, it's

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likely to be something su form phenomenon as Jonathan Down's

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caused them, and so we tried to conjure him up,

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but we didn't get any coherent results from the from

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the little Wigi board we created, but it was it's

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quite a bit. I thought it was a bit nerve wracking,

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but it's fun. I think it's a bit much to

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expect the mongoose to spell. I mean, talking is one things.

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Speaker 2: Really pushing the boat, isn't it? Credibility? But yeah, you want.

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Speaker 4: To read though he did supposedly learned to read.

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Speaker 2: So didn't catch a bus once.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and tell them the gossip and he described

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the insigns of somebody's flat that they'd never seen and

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it turned out to be accurate. So there were some

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quite bizarre things with it. Yeah, but interesting. The place

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was staying is that the house that was used for

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filming Sean Beans filmed The Dark, the horror movie, so

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it's the same house. But it was quite funny itself

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because years later, a guy sort of rather eccentric guy

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bought the house and he was terrified of the Second

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World War and the bombing, and they just happened. There

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was only a couple of bombs dropped on the other

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man and they were outside the house because they were

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jettison in the bombs and they just happened to do

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it right Bay House. He moved to this promotion about

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house the young man and then he just had they

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happened the jets of the bombs right.

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Speaker 2: Study your fears catching up with you literally?

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackie, if you can remind listeners because they may

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have either missed your first record with us, but or

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you know that they may have forgotten I don't know,

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just to remind people that are listening and watching what

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your skill set is in the paranormal and your particular

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focus of interesting is. Just so that we know where

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we're on the same page as it were.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean my I've always been interested in crypto

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zoology and paranormal stuff. In terms of the crypto zoology,

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you know, I got particular interest in bigfoots. Yet it

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is really commenteds and I sort of been over to

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America and I'm surprisingly lucky. I pissed a lot on

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my American friends off trying to see what for twenty years.

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I basically the first time I went out, got footprints

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and heard a howl. The second time I went, I

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had like one two run in front of the car

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a belobbing logging road in northern California. So that was

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quite near Bluff Creek, clear as about twenty to four

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in the afternoon, and then they run out of run

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into burnt house trees. They panicked and did the did

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in the middle of the road. So I've got an

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amazing view of them. And then my brain was like

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cockcake with this cockcake, with this snow. The men, the men,

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the men. And then about birthday, you know, I went

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into shock and realized what I'm saying. But it's very

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weird when you first see them. And then then about

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a year and a half two years later, when I

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after the conference, I scotched summit, which is held in

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Washington state Ocean shores, and we asked the guy who

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run in the summit any recent sightings around here, because

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they actually had big funds right hotel, and he said, oh,

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we've got solid activity a couple of miles away. So

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it gave me in Brooklyn who's films the summit rough directions.

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and starts. You know, I'm not very good at the howls,

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but Brooklyn's good at them, and he did the tree

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knox and I did the whoops, which I'm really good at.

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and we heard this. I didn't hear it. May flaps

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are down, but brooklynd well like this, so it was

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either a bear or something grilla like sound, and then

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got pine came throughout our feet. Then stones got thrown,

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and then Brooklyn freaked and start swinging his torch around

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and held his machete up and they didn't lie. That's

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we got. A rock came up, probably said let it

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back to the car. But wherever it was the noise

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it's just over six feet and this thing must me

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in about seven and a half eight feet, because we

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said where it's the group came from as well above

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his head, so and it literally five feet away behind

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the underground saying breathing.

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Speaker 2: It's like in the daytime. Annoyed times just.

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to the car and I said to Brooklyn, they pulled

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the car sideways because I got a thermal image in

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your car engine cooling down from right at the end

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of the path, which is probably bout corn and a half,

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so we should be able to get them if they

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come under the path. So we reluctantly pulled the car sideway.

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I pull the window down and I see something coming

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towards it and he we both screamed like girls, and

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it turned out to be my finger on the end

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of the thermal. I won't repeat what he said, but

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it wasn't pricks both that.

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Speaker 2: So, so we're doing this show about cryptos of zoology,

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and one of the things that ignited my interest was

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one of our viewers, Gary Robinson. He watches Ben's shows

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as well. We also watching the Paranormal Peep Show. We

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didn't invite him to take part, but I think he's

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really really busy at the minute, but he sent through

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to me and Ben and Andy some photographs that he said,

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I recall seeing these in a in an album or

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book or something from the nineteen eighties and it got

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lost in his loft. But he said these pictures resurfaced

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on Facebook about three or four months ago now, and

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it was pictures of look like hunting men in a

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barn that hunted a well for want a better word,

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I call it a pterodacty. Other call it. People called

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it a pliciosaur thing because it looked like one of

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these prehistoric flying lizard type creatures with them and in

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a like in a real thing. And obviously this is

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done in the days before photoshop. Now, I was talking

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to you before we started recording, Jackie. You you've got

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some information about that particular picture.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was doctor Carl Shuka Cryptozoologies.

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is to reverse like image search on that and he

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managed to find the barn exactly. And I mean it

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could be there was two different shots at the barn

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one years ago one but it very much looked like

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you know, it had been photoshopped and things imposed on

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the front. So that's a good way of checking those

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things out, you know, As I said, it could have

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just been a old shot at the bar and a

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modern shot at the barn. But it was a bit

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suspicious really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which just is it like a like a composite photograph,

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because if this was in the eighties.

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Speaker 4: It looks like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, also some of these images people are saying

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it's from the eighties and they're not from the eighties.

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Some of them are. But some of these things you

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find out that image didn't appear before a certain date.

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So I think he really got his z and work

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with these things.

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Speaker 3: They'd have to be an original one, wouldn't they. I mean,

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it would have to be an original. I mean I

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saw that picture too, and it was always intrigued me.

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And I do wonder where the hell they gone? Whose

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who those guys are? I mean, are they Have they

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been traced? Doubt it not?

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Speaker 2: From There was two pictures, one one that looked like

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they were lumberjack type hunters from their clothes and the

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other one there's another one in existence, and it's a

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similar kind of thing that these look like men in

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Civil war uniforms. I've seen on the website.

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Speaker 4: There's different types of at found.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although this guy is really going into detail. He

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was looking at the buttons on the uniforms and all

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that kind of stuff, and he was also looking at

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for instance, he was pointing out things that he said,

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would this be faked? And he was looking at what

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he proceeds to be.

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Speaker 5: Drag marks in the ground of where they dranked this pterodactyl,

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which you want to call it, that terodactyl into the pictur.

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Speaker 6: All a flying dinosaur and a photo from the American

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Civil War, Not exactly. This photograph was probably recorded years

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after the Civil War ended, during the reconstruction era. What

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about this apparent terodactyl, It is more likely than not

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a genuine terosaur that was alive during the nineteenth century.

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For details, steal a link in the description to see

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this video. Now, look at this weird feature on the wing.

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What is that? It's also on the the other wing

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the end parts of the wings were inverted. In other words,

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this apparent modern terosaur is more likely than not genuine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although this guy is really going into detail. He

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was looking at the buttons on the uniforms and all

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that kind of stuff, and he was also looking at

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for instance, he was pointing out things that he said,

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would this be faked? And he was looking at what

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he perceived to be.

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Speaker 5: Drag marks in the ground of where they dragged this.

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Speaker 2: Pterodactyl, if you want to call it, that terodactyl into

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the picture all and parts where the bush had been

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cut down or something. You know, it's just like what

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I would call maybe environmental evidence, things that seemed to

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support but that there was this big something in the picture. Now,

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maybe it could have been a large I don't know,

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a large buffalo or bic or something they'd killed, and

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that could have account for the drag marks and they've

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literally just photoshops this at the top of it. Yeah,

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so they could be those things, or someone is very

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very astutid photoshop and thinks of all these little things

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like let's put some drag marks in there, and you're

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taken awful lot.

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Speaker 4: Of some people shadow who's in the right direction as well.

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The remember in the eighties and.

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Speaker 3: There they were crude. Yeah, there were comparatively simplistic ways

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of faking photograph using computers back then. Yeah, I mean that.

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Speaker 4: Picture was eighties and we need to very well.

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Speaker 3: Well, if he may look older, but if this if

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the earliest The earliest prints only date back from a

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certain time. That's probably when the photo was produced. But

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it's like, I mean, also mean a tero stol one

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of one of these pterodactyls or terrana dolls. There's different species.

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I mean, they were basically reptiles which grew wings, bat

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like wings and could fly. Some people said they didn't

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flap their wings and just glided. I mean it's if

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they live today, where would they live? I mean where

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whereabouts would they survive? Where would you know? Where would

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they be found? Obviously in an area without human habitation,

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which case, what were these guys doing there? Where were they?

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Things like that, These these sort of questions are valid.

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I mean, it's true there's sometimes really old creatures that

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that everyone thinks have been extinct for a long long time.

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To turn up to see the count the obvious, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I suppose that's on the bottom of the scene. It's

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not like twenty foot burns.

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Speaker 3: These terro sorts are huge. I mean they were bigger

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than modern flying birds.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know some of the ones, there was

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that some thing. It was massive, It was like a

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twenty foot three foot wingspan. But you wouldn't miss one

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of those, would you. Also, they couldn't take off. They

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could only take off from cliffs they reckon. They couldn't

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do it from the ground.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it's like I mean, what's slightly more

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plausible is the stories of giant birds. I mean, the

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our Indian natives have stories of what they call the thunderbird,

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which is like a giant bird of prey, not as

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big as the rock you know from the Arabian Nights,

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but it would would be like comparative in size, just

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simply because that's a bird and not a reptile. It's

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it's more likely to exist, although again it's unconfirmed that

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this thing actually exists or it was written in one

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of in a book I read. There's a big chapter

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in a book I think it maybe one of Richard's,

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actually about it about the possibilities of thunderbirds.

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Speaker 4: So it's interesting talking to I have a lot. I

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got to know Rex Yappy. He's a cryptosologist from Papa

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in New Guinea, and he's a First Nation person, you know,

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native the pap New Guinea and you know, you know,

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the rope and mets to have a long tail with

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a luminous thing on the end, and can you know

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one there is? It uses it for fishing, but there's

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no mammals that are known to have luminosity for warm

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blooded animals and owns, you know, any sea creatures, so

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and you know plants and plants, so that's you know,

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a bit unusual really and it's just gription. You know,

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Various people analyzed it said it doesn't quite you know,

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in evolutionary terms, it doesn't sound sensible. It's both a

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really long tail and the bigger terosaurs they had shorter

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tails because it's not ergonomic that there was some really

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small species a couple of feet across three four feet

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that max had like a sort of tail with a

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barb on the end, but only the big ones didn't.

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They almost completely whilst the little spike keyp it on

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the end, it was hardly a metail the big one.

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So it doesn't quite stick what we know really, you know.

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Speaker 2: Now whether you mentioned the word rope and I'm familiar

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with it, but and the area of Papa New Guinea,

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now I understand that's what the Papa New Guineans call

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pterodactical sightings or pterosaur sightings out there. They call it

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the rope and for those that need to understand that now,

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I did some research into it some years ago, because

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what triggered my research then is about twelve years ago

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I think I took first heard of it. I was

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friends with a guy on Facebook who was a pilot,

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and I did meet him eventually, and he sent me

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an account of a friend of his. He said, I

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know you'll be interested in this. He sent it to

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him and he said, this is from a fellow pilot

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that he was friends with who was absolutely straight as

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the bound, but won't take nonsense. And it was his job.

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Apparently some point in the past fifteen years ago, I

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don't know when exactly it happened that he flew from

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Northern Australia with a colleague once a week out to

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Papa New Guinea to deliver medical supplies or something like

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that in a small kind of lightweight plane, island hopper

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type of thing, and they typically flew about four thousand

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feet high. And this guy wrote an account of what

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he'd seen and there as they was approaching one of

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the islands surrounding Papa New Guinea, they saw what they

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initially believed to be an aeroplane flying towards them, and

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they remarked that surely it should have this navigation lights on.

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This is you know, it's the rules of It's like

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driving at night with a car. You've got to have

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your lights on. You know, all planes should have their

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navigation lights. And they can't understand why this plane coming

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towards wasn't didn't have his navigation lights on. And then

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apparently they either nearly hit it or they flew over.

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I'm not quite sure that part of the story. But

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as they looked down towards one of the people and

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I don't I think it was a guy that wrote

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his account and said, oh my god, are we in

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Jurassic Park or something, so I know that it's definitely

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after Jurassic Park, that this then mustn't take place then

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to reference that film. And they looked down and they

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couldn't believe what they saw. They apparently said, we saw

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a terod act or flying blother us and this is

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two pilots. Absolutely. He said, I would not believe it.

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If you had told me this story, I would not

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believe it. But he said, I know it's true because

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I saw it myself, and this was a qualified pilot.

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Doesn't make him a qualified zoologists, of course, but he's

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obviously familiar with that area, flying their battles of boards

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every week, and they saw this creature there. So then

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I started to look into and I found documentaries online

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to do with people signs and Papa New Guinea and

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must have been involved with those kind of people, I'd

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imagine where there's claims of some of these things taking

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some of the kids or something, you know, from certain villages,

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kidnapping them and trying to take them away something. You

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must have heard that, Jack as well.

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Speaker 4: I've not heard that. I've heard about there's been to

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dig up graves and eat remains of bodies. That's the

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legendarist stuff around them. But yeah, I haven't heard a

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bit about them taking children. But yeah, I mean it's

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very you know, looking at the stuff on the internet,

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a lot of it is done by creationists, so you've

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got to be a little bit careful. I suppose you

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know what the motives are really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've discovered this guy called Jonathan might be Wittker,

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but I can't remember that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with the website protect Wild Animals or something it's called,

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there's lots of videos, interesting videos and I think from

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what I gather, he's a kind of creationist person. And

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he interviewed this lady who was a missionary. I think

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I mentioned that in my messages to you. He interviewed

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this lady who was a missionary who with her family

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when she was missionary out in Papua New Guinea, sighted

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two of them flying down the river past her or something,

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and she would be a creation So what's the anglog

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of creationist? Why would they want to believe any sort

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of things?

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Speaker 4: Well, I suppose it, you know, they don't they I

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don't know. I mean, it doesn't necessarily disprove just because

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there's a modern thing that looks like a pterodactyl, evolution

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didn't happen. But I suppose their goal is to say

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that dinosaurs are around modern day, So they couldn't, you know,

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that they've just been created, you know, because they only

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go back ten thousand years, don't they creationists? They only

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believe everything's existed within ten thousand years, so that you know,

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they're looking for evidence that these things could have been

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around within that ten thousand years rather than this massive

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gap of you know, seventy million years.

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: They do want to sort of prove that. So they're

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looking and you found those people found those stones in

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America with pictures of people riding dinosaurs.

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Speaker 3: It is they'd literally believe things like because they want

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they need to explain the presence of dinosaur fossils, and

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so they said, well, obviously Noah must have had them

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on the arc, must have been on the arc, because

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it is according to them there that the earth is

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just the entire universe just started a few thousand years ago.

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I think was Bishop Usher, the guy who worked out

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the genealogy of all the Biblical figures from the Old Testament,

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and he worked out that he worked how the exact

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day creation happened. I think it was four thousand and

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four BC or something like that, and no Oh that

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Noah therefore had his arc around about the middle of

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the fourth millennium BC.

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Speaker 4: I'm just thinking how many creatures on the ark did

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the tarrannosaur t REXI.

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Speaker 3: It would have been.

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Speaker 2: I think the unicorns were the first to go.

477
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: From the from good omens a unicors getting away.

478
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

479
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 8: Yeah.

480
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: But as far as New Guinea goes, and it is

481
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,960
a very it was one of the most mysterious places

482
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,279
on Earth. I mean there were so many really famous

483
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,200
UFO sightings there. I know that it's very isolated. I

484
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,519
know there's a there's a human population there which is

485
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:21,359
extremely isolated. I know because I met a guy when

486
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,160
I was in Australia when I had to see my brother.

487
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,839
He was an anthropologist who've been the New Guinea and

488
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,440
he just come back. He basically went he went on

489
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,039
foot into the really into the deep jungles, which is

490
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,480
him and his language interpreter to speak to some of

491
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,839
the local people there, and they came across people who

492
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:45,240
were really amazingly they were amazingly isolate, they were amazingly insula.

493
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,839
They asked him and his companion, you know, why why

494
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,480
have you painted yourself white? And they literally had to

495
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:54,519
explain to these people through the interpreter, this is their

496
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:59,160
natural skin color. And these people had no idea that

497
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:59,920
white people exist.

498
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,279
Speaker 4: I had that in Africa. Actually went and we went

499
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:06,920
on a different route after coming back from seeing the

500
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,119
mountain gorillas, and we went through a village and the

501
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,119
young children went hysterical and they saw us and ran

502
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,599
off screaming, and we interpreted what's the manner and they

503
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,960
said they've never seen white people. They think your ghosts.

504
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,200
So that they these per kids, they grabbed them by

505
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,480
the scrubb of the egg. They dragged them towards us

506
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,480
and made them touch us. And they were screaming their

507
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:28,720
heads up being the sec rule. But they touched us.

508
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,000
They realized, oh we were warm, we must be a right.

509
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,000
They were holding their hands by the end and playing

510
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,400
with us. But it was just sh moder day.

511
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,359
Speaker 3: I didn't it's interesting. It must be, so it must

512
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,759
be quite extraordinary experience. I mean, in this case, in

513
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,400
this New Guinea village, is the entire community, adults and

514
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,160
children had never seen white people. For those for those

515
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,279
people who must be like meeting aliens.

516
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: Hmmm, yeah.

517
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:54,519
Speaker 3: Is that these strange creatures come from a world. I

518
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,559
mean they they didn't even know existed.

519
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,119
Speaker 2: What In a minute, Ben, I'll ask you to talk

520
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,799
to us about that age encounter in Papua New Guinea.

521
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,440
But I will just interject here quickly because what you're

522
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,400
talking about being ghosts, and that interprets ghosts. I did

523
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,599
see all about six months or a year ago again

524
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,839
on YouTube. I think it was a video from a

525
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,160
documentary from the nineteen nineties, maybe early nineties. And I

526
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,160
think if I'm correct. It was a Belgian anthropologist or

527
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,319
film group going out to one of these regions of

528
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,160
patha New Guinea, going into this area, and they were

529
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,119
going to make contact with a tribe that no white

530
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,680
people are apparently encountered. And they were standing on one

531
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,880
side of this river and the people of this tribe

532
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,519
were looking at them from the side of their spears

533
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:47,279
and things, and there was like a log going across

534
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,720
this river. So the white man, the Belgian guy, would

535
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,920
go across the log and meet this kind of guy halfway,

536
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,559
and he would put out his hand to touch him,

537
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,279
and they would sort of touch it tensatively and think,

538
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,039
you know, you're real, and they'd run back a bit

539
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:01,400
and then come back a bit close, and eventually, like

540
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,519
you say, by the end of the day, they kind

541
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:08,400
of befriended them. And they said, we heard about white people,

542
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,799
but our grandfather has told us about white people. But

543
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,319
they said they believe white people to be ghosts, just

544
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,599
like you said, yeah, so they do see them, and

545
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:21,759
they have legends of ghosts in that thing, and it

546
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:22,440
actually just does.

547
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: I think some people like from what I heard, and

548
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,759
it's accurate, but heard sometimes people are dark Skain they die,

549
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:31,960
they can lose that color, so that I think that's

550
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,079
where it comes from, but it might not be. That's

551
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:40,160
what they told us in this village, but might not

552
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:40,759
be accurate.

553
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, so Ben, getting back to this Eufeaux

554
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,400
alien signe, it was a reverend or something out there,

555
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,559
a missionary guard.

556
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: And yes, a general called William Gill. He was a

557
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,680
missionary in this particular area and around about in the

558
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:59,839
late nineteen fifties, and he had a little church in

559
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,200
this very remote area which he made friends with the

560
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,359
local people. He had about he had a number of

561
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,799
parishners used to come to the church regularly. And he

562
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,119
was on the beach one night. It was a pleasant

563
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,039
evening and he was there on the beach and he

564
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,559
saw literally a disc shaped object descend. It was a

565
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:23,440
silver disc shaped object with glowing lights on it. What's

566
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,559
remarked about this because this is a close encounter of

567
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,400
the third kind because there were a number of people,

568
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,839
a number of beings on the things. They weren't inside it,

569
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,279
looking through windows or anything like that. They were actually

570
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,039
standing on top of it. It appears that there was

571
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,240
some kind of open deck on top. This is very

572
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,680
similar to the oldbra sighting which we talked about, Yeah, kisshn,

573
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,079
except this was a larger object with a more substantial base,

574
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,480
and he describes them as being humanoid. He couldn't see

575
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,519
them up close. This object was quite a long way away,

576
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:55,960
but he could see that they were like humanoid people

577
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,799
and they appeared to have a they appeared to be glowing.

578
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,000
He describes them as human as people who had like

579
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:05,559
a yellow glow on them. What's interesting is he at

580
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,519
his wife and the Parisian stared at it for a while.

581
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:11,839
He waved. He if she waved to this particular object,

582
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,119
I believe it or not. The creature's wife back.

583
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 8: Papua New Guinea, June nineteen fifty nine and Australian missionary

584
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:24,720
spots a large disc hovering just two hundred feet off

585
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:28,559
the ground while standing with thirty eight other people.

586
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:34,359
Speaker 9: There, solid looking object and can you imagine what it's

587
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,119
like to look up in the sky and see some

588
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,480
figures up there?

589
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 8: All were amazed to see four small occupants dressed in

590
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,200
what looked like black diving.

591
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:54,839
Speaker 9: Suits, figures walking about on top and not the slightest

592
00:32:55,039 --> 00:33:01,960
noise whatsoever, And so we waved. Wouldn't be wonderful if

593
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:05,200
we could get this object down onto the playing field.

594
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:09,599
And as we waved, wondering whether we'd get some recognition

595
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,240
and whether perhaps they would understand what we wanted, they

596
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:14,920
waved back.

597
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 8: The encounter lasted several hours before the object abruptly departed.

598
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:29,119
Speaker 9: There was this amazingly incredible speed that the whole craft

599
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:34,480
disappeared to nothing across the bay in the matter of

600
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,119
a second or so.

601
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,559
Speaker 3: It's really an extraordinary and eventually they eventually had actually

602
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,039
just flew away. But it was I've never this one.

603
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:50,000
That is a very very unique can count. He wrote

604
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,200
about it very clearly in his diary. This is a

605
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,960
guy who probably wasn't that. He didn't fit the profile

606
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,279
of someone who would make something like this up. He

607
00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,519
was a he was a minister of the church. He

608
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,279
was on a very important he was a very important place.

609
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,839
You know, I'm spraying the word to the people of

610
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,199
this of this remote island. He wouldn't have wanted to

611
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,760
look like a nutcaseer or like he was, because of

612
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,760
course the bishops and people like that might have thought

613
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,800
he was taking drugs.

614
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,559
Speaker 4: Or something, and it would have been contrary to his beliefs.

615
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:21,440
Wouldn't they. Yeah, Yeah, it wouldn't have particularly been in

616
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,320
his favor if Yeah.

617
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't think liked it. Yeah, I mean there are

618
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,559
of course, of there's there's nothing that directly contradicts most religions,

619
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,360
but that alien life exists. But it's not it's not

620
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,559
an established position within the church. You won't get your

621
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,639
local you currently get your local victar to have a

622
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,519
discussion about this sort of thing, even today.

623
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: You were back then.

624
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 3: This is the nineteen fifties. This guy was Australian. He's

625
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,960
probably he's probably quite a conservative person, I'm guessing, yeah,

626
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,480
And so I'm inclined to believe him. This guy Gil,

627
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:51,800
you know.

628
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: I think he wrote a passage in the rest of

629
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,119
the book when he wrote his account of it, where

630
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,719
the alien wound down the window and shouted across to him,

631
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,239
in mate, we've got a load of rope and to

632
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:05,639
drop off where one that's the origin. We want to

633
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:11,880
start rumors. They're saying, Yeah, so your friend Rex in Papa,

634
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,639
New Guinea, just tell us a little bit about him,

635
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,679
and now you got to know him and what he's

636
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,039
brought to the table. Figures if he speaking It was.

637
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,639
Speaker 4: Quite bizarre as chatting a Richard, and I said, we've

638
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,519
got to make a contact in Papa New Guinea as

639
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,039
you do, so we can go and explore, because there's

640
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,679
also meant to be Fina scenes there, you know, the

641
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,000
stripy wolf type dog thing that was in Tasmania and

642
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:39,159
they definitely used to be there and pap New Guinea

643
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:43,239
as well as mainland Australia, but it's probably out the

644
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,559
places it's the most likely they still are, and they've

645
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,079
been reports of them. And then like I think the

646
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,119
day or literally two days after one or two days

647
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,000
suddenly this guy out of the blue in Papa New

648
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:02,679
Guinea says, will you be my friend diamonds homologies. It's like, wow,

649
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,159
I don't believe it.

650
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: I've just been.

651
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 4: Videos and we haven't got over yet, but it would be.

652
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,400
It looks aletely challenging environment. I mean, he's so many

653
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,239
pictures of cars, you know, in mud, and literally he

654
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,360
can just see the top of the car because the

655
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,920
MUD's like, you know, right up the side of Oh

656
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,320
my god. He shouldn't be videos and it looks scary,

657
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:35,000
you know, not our idea of concept of mud.

658
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,119
Speaker 2: So he has an interesting cryptosology, but he has a

659
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,039
day job, I suppose from what you told me.

660
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does some other work, but very interesting.

661
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,519
But yeah, he's really dedicated. I mean, the thing is

662
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:51,360
for hear me. You know, he owns quite a bit

663
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,199
of lamb there so produce his own food and you know, trees,

664
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,119
produce his own house. But it's sort of him trying

665
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,320
to buy the equipment he needs, like drones, and he's

666
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,360
he's at it's trying a fundraise for that really because

667
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000
those sort of things are quite expensive and they you know,

668
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,519
he's got quite a lot of help from the Americans,

669
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,079
you know, they send stuff over, but it's just trying

670
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,320
to because obviously in that environment's extremely humid, a lot

671
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,280
of drones don't last really, you know, or they just.

672
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: To use in his crypto zoology.

673
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, looking for the rope and so yeah, so you know,

674
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:32,480
he's always grateful for any contributions towards up and you know,

675
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,559
he said he gets quite frustrated because the locals, you know,

676
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,719
they're either very superstitious and they don't want to know

677
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,360
about it, or they just sort of because he's the

678
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,880
only cryptois, just as warrs those bab New Guinea. You know,

679
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:49,199
he just they just dismiss him, like, oh, it's this

680
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,760
crazy stuff for So he's been fighting and losing battle really,

681
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,400
but you know he's starting to get you know, been

682
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,639
trying to get the government to you know, give him

683
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,159
support for things. But it's still a bit of a battle.

684
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,920
So he's trying to get a lot of people to

685
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,119
back him. And yeah, he's doing his best.

686
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one who was keen to reach out to

687
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,239
other people from abroad, So you must be quite lonely

688
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,320
being the only cryptosologist on the don't have.

689
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,519
Speaker 2: Many conferences there. I'd imagine that sort of thing.

690
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: So I see, must he must be It must be

691
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,199
a bit of a lease of life for him.

692
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: It, Yeah, I mean he really likes chatting about things.

693
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,880
You know, he's described what he's seen and other people

694
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,679
have seen, and it does seem to be a sistent animal.

695
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,679
I mean, my theory is it is it a giant bat?

696
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,480
You know, it could be a very giant bat. And

697
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,960
there's luminous things. A lot of people think the luminous

698
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,519
bits actually in an aircraft that's close by, so you're

699
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,199
seeing the chin things together. You know, it doesn't mean

700
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,840
you see one thing. It's associated with another. And I

701
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,760
think that's a tendency people have, isn't it. And also

702
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,000
the size it's very very difficult to estimate size in

703
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:00,800
the sky. You've got to have it next to something, know, andah,

704
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,320
I think people, I mean myself and Richard Freeman last

705
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,000
February went down the Waverley Abbey. This is going to

706
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,320
be the fourteen times soon naughtic on it. Ten adults

707
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,800
had been in Waverley Abbey using to do some table

708
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,519
tipping to talk to the ghosts there, and suddenly they

709
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:24,840
all saw a dragon. They saw some of them saw

710
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,039
one dragon, some saw three dragons. One of them said

711
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,800
the dragon was over thirty feet long, the big dragon.

712
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,679
There were smaller dragons. They described something like a dragon

713
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,599
sale and there sitting there and typical dragon, you know,

714
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,679
and and you're just thinking, whoa, you know what you know?

715
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,639
I was trying to get you know, is it that

716
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,760
easy to estimate size? I asked the one lady, like,

717
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,199
you know, how big was it compared to the bench

718
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,440
there was? You know, it's like a little stately home

719
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,320
being there, so like as just behind there's the old

720
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,800
abbey and there's a stately home, think opposite and there's

721
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,440
some benches run a stately home. How many bench long

722
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,360
would it have been? And she almost got it dead on,

723
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:08,079
you know, six inches out, so so she was pretty

724
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:11,559
good at judging size. But the thing was over a tree,

725
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:13,840
so you couldn't tell. You probably wouldn't have been able

726
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,679
to tell, you know, from that just is exactly how

727
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:20,360
big it wasn't And also people will it's likely the rope,

728
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,599
and it's like people say, oh, it had bat like skin,

729
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,960
but if it's that high up, how are you going

730
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:28,079
to tell? You know, you're not gonna be able to

731
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:32,119
tell whether it's feathers, whether it's just you know, looking smooth,

732
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:34,679
because the way the light's going on it, you know,

733
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:36,920
it could be an aeroplane. You know, you're just not

734
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,599
going to be able to tell, and not think your

735
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:44,880
brain sort of projects a lot on it now. And

736
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,119
the thing with this dragon sighting, there were water next

737
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:51,400
to us, herons in it. Heroins look quite a lot

738
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,760
like dragons. I don't think in this case it was

739
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,679
because quite a few of the people had a lot

740
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,880
of experience of bird watching and they very much I know,

741
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,760
that's definitely not what we saw. But the rope un

742
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,639
you know, there's also the frigate bird, which is you know,

743
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,360
sort of quite hearing like as well a seabird. And

744
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:13,199
I think a lot of the pictures you get the

745
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:16,960
frigate bird because it's also got a bright red sack

746
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,679
around its road. You've got sunlight behind that and a

747
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,880
glow you appear to glow, so you've got and with

748
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,360
their dragon sign, we saw there's herons. If a heron

749
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,440
got a float and a bit of line stuck on

750
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,880
its foot around its tail, fisherman, it would look like

751
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,280
a tail, you know, dragging behind it. So you've got

752
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,440
to think, you know, is it your brain? It's like

753
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,440
you know, with a ghost thing with a gray ladies.

754
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,280
If you told there's a gray lady in the place,

755
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,519
you're going to see it, aren't you? But you know?

756
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,559
And I think you know people they know the brain

757
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,679
now projects a lot of what seas. If you get burgled,

758
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,800
you won't notice what's got missing straight away. I've been

759
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,519
burgled and I didn't even realize half the stuff was missing,

760
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,440
because your brain hallucinates a lot of it. Stop you

761
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:11,000
exhausting yourself, and you know, then you think, oh, we

762
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:12,960
go use it, and you think and God it's not there.

763
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,079
It was there, and then you think, no, it couldn't

764
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,239
have been there. I must have you know, the policeman

765
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,360
were saying, I've got burger. Once the police said no,

766
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,840
your brain thinks it's there, but it's not there. And

767
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,920
it's a similar thing with a perception you know of

768
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,039
you know, you like this friend, I remember seeing your

769
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,400
brain predicts a lot. Remember seeing what her thought was

770
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,880
the friend Rosie walking towards me in top there'sing devern

771
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,119
one saying hello Rosie. She was in front of me,

772
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,119
and then as soon as the woman responded, the face

773
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,719
changed and my brain had thought that is rosy. And

774
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,519
you project the images they, you know, just to save

775
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:49,880
your brain from getting exhausted. So a lot of they're

776
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,599
also finding out a lot of these, you know, the

777
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,320
terros saur sightings. They are the perceptions of the person's

778
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,079
textbook of a terrosol and some of them are now

779
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,920
out of date. They're not actually accurate what we know

780
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,719
were anymore. They don't think a lot of terroristaals are feathers,

781
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,440
fluffy fur type of stuff on them, so they're not looking

782
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,800
like that's isn't it.

783
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: It's interesting that I've just I was in a museum

784
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:22,159
recently down in Bridge where is it Bridge Bridge work?

785
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,320
Forget what it is. It's near us anyway, and it's

786
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,239
an old museum, and of course museums are old, but

787
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,719
it's interesting. They were promote in the Jurassic coastline of

788
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,400
Dorset and they were talking about terosaurs or terodactyls and

789
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,719
they exist now. They make them us kites for people

790
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,519
to fly, and they have one set up in the

791
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,559
museum with its wingspans eye video here. Oh yeah, but

792
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,519
you know it's great for kids to actually testify these

793
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,000
terodactyls and things. Yeah. I can imagine there'd be people

794
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:57,599
around now saying in Britain, we've seen terodactyls flying and

795
00:43:57,639 --> 00:43:59,280
it could actually just be a kite, doesn't it.

796
00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: And not really.

797
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 4: Our friend's got some massive kites and China and they're

798
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,360
like fifty across and you're taking them up on Dartmouth

799
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,480
and freak people out. You know, she's got this massive,

800
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,400
big octopus. But that's Mainian entity. And I mean you

801
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,440
can you know, they do look quite scary if you

802
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,239
get a bit of wrong line. And I think you

803
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,639
know some of these that one was at the shot

804
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:21,880
the film. I think it was a Minnesota the one

805
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,840
where it flies over and turns its head and looks down,

806
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,280
and that's mechanical. You can just tell it's something mechanical.

807
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,320
Isn't it all some sort of yeah, sort of control.

808
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,719
I think it's radio controls. It's quite mechanical, isn't It

809
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,559
doesn't quite move right, but yeah, I don't know. It's

810
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,400
it's difficult to tell. But you've got to take all

811
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,559
these things and took count.

812
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 3: So you can't always rely on witness testimony alone for

813
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,239
that reason, And we do edit out of the way

814
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,559
we see things. And they say rain range is very,

815
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,119
very difficult to calculate for something in the sky. When

816
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,119
an airplane flies are over on a clear blue day,

817
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:04,559
there's no there's nothing to gauge its range because of

818
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,599
the clouds. You can almost imagine reaching up and grabbing it.

819
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:10,760
It looks like a tiny little thing like that, and

820
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,400
of course it's not. It's thousands of feet up, but

821
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,320
it's like it looks close. And I mean, they're saying

822
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,719
that this is a common problem in uthology, that you

823
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,800
can't actually necessarily know what you're looking at. On the

824
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,760
other hand, though, I mean I always do. I always

825
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,119
spend time listening to people who describe what they see,

826
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,800
because there has been there have been several experiments. For example,

827
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,480
there's the famous It's It's cooled it was. There was

828
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,960
a documentary called a very British UFO hoax where somebody

829
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,559
built a fake UFO. They built a fake flying saucer.

830
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,199
It was like an airship and an unmanned airship with

831
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,599
electric motors. They filled it with gas and they flew

832
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,239
it over the West Country where all the hippies gather

833
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,920
and things like that, and over Avebury and places like that.

834
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,760
And of course it did work in a sense because

835
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,360
people people were fooled. They said there there's a UFO

836
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,559
up there, and it was even got even though into

837
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:12,719
the news they said people sort of flying saucer fing

838
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,320
over various parts of the crop circle country. And this

839
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,079
of course was part of the trick. I think that

840
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:21,760
these people were sort of pranking. But it backfired in

841
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,000
a way because the witnesses actually described pretty much what

842
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:28,119
they saw. There were no embellishments. They didn't say No.

843
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,800
One came forward and said, it shone down a big

844
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,320
beam of light and he got inside my head and

845
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,239
I had a telepathic message from it or things like that

846
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,360
that didn't happen. So even it seems even the most

847
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,639
gullible members of society can can be Actually maybe they're

848
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:48,280
better witnesses than we give them credit for. M or

849
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,519
the other hand, though, Jackie's Jackie's right in the saying

850
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,559
that you know that alone is not it's not proof,

851
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:56,760
and we need things like photographs and other forms of

852
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,639
physical evidence. From the photographs is of you. But if

853
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:01,519
you take the someone will accuse you of faking them.

854
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 2: And it's so.

855
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 4: Good, isn't it.

856
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: You could look at them, but yeah, right, the problem

857
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,880
it's a very very difficult situation. It's a very very

858
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,480
difficult thing to do, especially when you're going to a

859
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,840
remote part of the world. You may see something, you

860
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,199
may be the only witness who sees it, and you

861
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,400
may take a photographic which no one will believe. It's

862
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,800
a it's a very very tricky it's a very difficult

863
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,440
business to be in.

864
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,199
Speaker 2: These people that saw these dragons in the was.

865
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:36,159
Speaker 4: It the cathedral Waverley Abbey, which is way right, basically

866
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:37,559
it's quite close to so they.

867
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,079
Speaker 2: Were seeing these dragons outside the abbey, not inside it.

868
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 4: Uh, he's outside. One was hovering over a tree and

869
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,519
did a circle. Well, so they did a circle over

870
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,440
the tree and then looked at her and went off,

871
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,519
I remember, and they the others were like land. Well

872
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:55,800
they did actually land on part of the abbey, which

873
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,320
is like just waly type and land, and then they

874
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,000
consider as hanging down. But they were only little ones

875
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:03,400
like five foot six foot.

876
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: When did this occur?

877
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,119
Speaker 3: Sighting?

878
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, they both basually proper dragon boot tail. Yeah, and

879
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,159
you don't you know, it's interesting thing with that. You know,

880
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,480
you don't know whether the one person said it and

881
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,760
then the other's got ideas, but it didn't sound like that.

882
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,760
They all seemed to have differently got and then then

883
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,480
spoke afterwards about it. So it was quite quite convincing.

884
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: Phone cameras then or was that I'm not sure when.

885
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: No, it was really quite dark, but they all sort

886
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,159
of the sunlight the moonlight hit it, and they saw it,

887
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,400
so they got you know, the moonlight wasn't you know,

888
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:42,159
but I think it just happened so fast.

889
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:46,039
Speaker 2: They're all like, well, that's the first thing against it,

890
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,079
you know, any skeptics listeners. Oh, but of course it

891
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:50,440
was dark, so they could we see it and it

892
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,840
was probably you know, escaped albatrosses from the local zoo

893
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,960
or you know that.

894
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder that because they got like, okay, it

895
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,679
was February, but they had got those you know, projecting

896
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,480
lights that you have like un stately homes to light

897
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,639
him up. And I wonder whether the heat had attracted flies.

898
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,039
And then there was bats that was roosting, but they

899
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,320
felt warmed up enough to come out because of their lights,

900
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,599
you know, but they said no, they's really large. They

901
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,199
weren't backs, you know, but you can get course backs

902
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,079
projected by lights, so it could be a projected image.

903
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,920
But it went into detail on it, which didn't fit

904
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,719
with that, like it was a shadow or anything.

905
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,119
Speaker 3: I'd just say it has a dangling tail or something

906
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:37,800
that's sort of bird, I Meanate, I.

907
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: Mean, Richard or go into more detail on the dragon

908
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,599
and stuff. But dragons seem to be something paranormal. They

909
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,480
don't seem to be real. They are a creature that

910
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:48,079
they're probably multed and dimensional, you know that they're not

911
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,920
something that they've got something very unusual about them. They

912
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,760
don't seem to be a flesh and blood creature as

913
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,119
we know.

914
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,599
Speaker 3: You know, So the first book of Richard as I read,

915
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,880
was this book of Dragons More than a Myth, which

916
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,599
I never read a book on dragons before, so I

917
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:05,239
was very very intrigued to to listen before I actually

918
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,960
met Richard, not to know him, but that was a

919
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:08,159
very very interesting.

920
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 4: Book he gives in so that there's a good chapter

921
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,840
on them in He did two volume things, with the

922
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,760
first book describing the backgrounds and what he does. Good

923
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,920
chapter on dragons there as well, talks about the monks

924
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,039
and I think it was is it I think seeing

925
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:27,159
a dragon flying over writing it in their gal Yeah,

926
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,280
that's quite interesting, so what it was.

927
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 3: I do find it interesting that that societies from all

928
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,800
over the world have legends of giant reptilians. I mean

929
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,880
they vary in various ways, and of course a Chinese

930
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,280
dragon is different from the European dragon. The European dragon

931
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,079
is the classic one with the fire dreakers, as Richard

932
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:50,360
calls it, the scale reaped in beasts with you see

933
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,119
on the flag of whales, that kind of but of

934
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,719
course these similar creatures exist in other societies as well. Well.

935
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,119
Speaker 4: The ropen could be a dragon if it's got like fiery.

936
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:06,199
Speaker 3: Stuff that explain that that could explain, for example, the

937
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,079
glowing the light.

938
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

939
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: Do find the interesting with when many, many people from

940
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,440
all over the world, especially this is the point I

941
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:16,840
made about sleep Gerassis. When people from all over the world,

942
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,239
in different cultures, some of which have really had no

943
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,000
contact until recent years, and global travel, et cetera, they

944
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,599
come up with the same mythology, it's likely they're talking

945
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:29,800
about something that is objectively real m.

946
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm just one of these dragons sighted at waiver Amby

947
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,119
would have been so I think I've been there and

948
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:43,159
photographed someone if it's the same place, small place, Yeah,

949
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,280
is it Hampshire or you said Brighton, didn't you?

950
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 4: I looked into far longer enough, right, and when it

951
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,039
gets a bit it sets it off.

952
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:08,119
Speaker 2: It's setting it up, dragging it.

953
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:09,559
Speaker 3: He could track you down.

954
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was on a podcast a while back and

955
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:15,639
everybody thought their alarms were going off and it was

956
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:19,920
my parrots, isn't it? But they all started looking right,

957
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:26,960
he got very busy, excellent, But yeah, so it's I mean,

958
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,880
I'd more believe in a dragon than I would have

959
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,960
Ropens been quite frank. I think there's more evidence for dragons,

960
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,480
and there is ropens interesting.

961
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,079
Speaker 2: That's interesting because now the guy that does this animals

962
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:44,840
Newtube thing and it covers a lot of rope and

963
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,000
signs in Papa New Guinea, he's also got signs from

964
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:49,159
other parts.

965
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: Of the world.

966
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: And one of them I think was someone in Vietnam

967
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,599
from the Vietnam War. And it was like two Vietnam

968
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:58,840
soldiers that were American soldiers in Vietnam, and they were like,

969
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,400
might have been by a harbor or something like that,

970
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,559
and they saw them very clearly, these pterodactyl or uh

971
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,920
what I call them flying and one of the guy

972
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,960
who's happened to be a very good artists, yet she

973
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:17,320
drew it very clearly and it absolutely looked like a

974
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,599
proper pterodactyl. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

975
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:27,519
Speaker 4: That's quite interesting. Yeah, yeah, that would be.

976
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 3: I mean, there is another cases, certainly a case where

977
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,960
a soldier and an American soldier in Vietnam saw a humanoid,

978
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,960
being a winged humanoid. That's of quite a well known case.

979
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,960
As we said though that even though it's very very

980
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,480
strictly against regulations, troops in that war did use drugs

981
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,920
in various various kinds.

982
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 4: Better means to keep themselves away, didn't they They know,

983
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,719
supposedly give them Sherbet, you know, the sweet Sherbert, because

984
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,079
it gives you that shock. And I've used that when

985
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:05,920
I've been trying to finish assignments for degree, use them. Doctor.

986
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 3: Doctors in my hospital used to use and fetomins strictly

987
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,280
against the roles and if they were core, but it

988
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,920
was I think management turned a blind eye. And indeed,

989
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,079
so there was all coins. I mean, I know feedamines

990
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:19,039
are not they're not hallucinogenic, but I mean there were

991
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:21,800
other drugs involved, but there were other drugs around. LSD

992
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,320
was quite well known at the time. This is me,

993
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,000
I'm I'm not playing skeptics advocate here. It's just this

994
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:31,760
is a possibility, you know, along with along with distress

995
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:32,480
and lack of sleep.

996
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,639
Speaker 2: Although although you think if there's two of them and

997
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:39,079
they both agree that they've seen this thing together and

998
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,880
then later in a much more calm estate, maybe you know,

999
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,159
ten hours later he's drawing two images of it in

1000
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,800
with pencils and crowns and things like that, and he says,

1001
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,760
this is what I saw, and his friend also will

1002
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,119
look at the pictures. Yet I agree, Bill, that's what

1003
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:59,239
you saw Ron saying no, I don't remember. We were

1004
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,039
both tooked up early and we were really you know, digging.

1005
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:06,719
You know, they both maintained that story and even years

1006
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,360
later when they reported it to to whoever it may

1007
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,559
be that's looking into the story, you know. So I

1008
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:18,360
do find that there's there's a consistency that they and

1009
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,960
that's that's happened with people that told me personal stories.

1010
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,199
You know, strange people, I say, strange people, strange encounters.

1011
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,440
When I did my talk a Probe, my very first

1012
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,159
appearance at Promer, I spoke about cent all beings and

1013
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,639
and this this lady came up to me and she says,

1014
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:38,320
I'm so glad you mentioned the cloven hooved being sighted

1015
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,559
in a mosque in a arm.

1016
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 4: I remember that.

1017
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, just just to recount for those that really

1018
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,440
needed that, I'll cover it briefly. I met this guy

1019
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,519
on a plane. He was from Iran. I thought he

1020
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:51,679
was Spanish. We were flying to Spain for a holiday.

1021
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,239
Got a conversation with him. It turned out that he

1022
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,239
was an architect, and I started talking about fairies with him,

1023
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,480
and I show him some of the drawings of my

1024
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,440
camera that ID photographed, and I told him some strange

1025
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,039
stories that we've researched in a film documentary about berries.

1026
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:08,599
And he opened up a little bit to me because

1027
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,800
I think that he perhaps would have told this to

1028
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,599
anybody else, but because I was talking on the wacky stuff,

1029
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:16,159
he was thinking, Okay, I can share this story with him,

1030
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:18,320
and he's not going to laugh at me. And he

1031
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,440
said that when he was a soldier out in Iran,

1032
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,000
because that's where he said he's from, he said, I

1033
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:26,800
call it Persia that you today called it Iran. He says,

1034
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,880
I was a conscripted soldier and I was doing a

1035
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,920
light shift with an army buddy, and its sandstorm had

1036
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,239
kicked up, and we took shelter in a mosque, and

1037
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,039
so we both took it in turns to kind of

1038
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,920
stay awake. One sleeped and one stays awake, and his

1039
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,280
mate went to sleep first of all. And this guy

1040
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,239
sat against the mosque the back of his wall. The

1041
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,639
wall was against his back, and the mosque in out

1042
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:50,480
of the gun, and his mate was sleeping beside him,

1043
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,559
and he kept trying not to fall asleep, and on

1044
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:54,199
the third time he fell asleep and woke up. And

1045
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,079
on the third time he woke up, must awake, and

1046
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,920
he suddenly saw this lady staring down at his feet

1047
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,000
and this young girl staring down in his army friends.

1048
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,760
Because of course they're taking their shoes off, because they're

1049
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,400
in a mosque. There's their bare feet, and they were

1050
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,559
staring intently at their feet, looking at them, and this

1051
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,360
guy thought, where did they come from? And he said

1052
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,599
at that point, as he's wrapping the strap of the

1053
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:14,519
gun around his arm because he wanted to make a

1054
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:16,840
run for it, even though he had the gun, he

1055
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,840
said that this lady looked up at him and stared

1056
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,159
him straight in the eye. And he said, as soon

1057
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,480
as he made eye contact with her, he said, I

1058
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:26,280
knew that she wasn't from this world, and just clicked

1059
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,000
and I knew that she wasn't from his world. It's

1060
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,400
like some sort of psych kick connection that tells you stuff,

1061
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,760
you know. And he said, at that point, the lady

1062
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,679
stood up and the young girl certainly, they turned and

1063
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:40,679
walked away. And as they walked away, he noticed they

1064
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:44,000
both had cloven hooved feet, and they vanished into the

1065
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:45,760
wall of the mosque. And when he told me that,

1066
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,920
a shiver ran up and down my spine and thinking,

1067
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,119
oh my god. So anyway, yeah, I told that at

1068
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:54,199
the Probe conference the first time I did a talk

1069
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:56,199
of probe and this lady came up afterwards. She goes,

1070
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:58,199
I'm so glad you told that story, because I thought

1071
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:01,280
I was going crazy over what's happened to you. She

1072
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,400
said that she had gone to hospital to have a baby,

1073
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,599
and unfortunately she gave still worth it died during birth,

1074
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:11,000
and so they put in this private room to kind

1075
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,840
of come to tones as best as she could, and

1076
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,239
they said they put the dead body of the baby

1077
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,719
in the cot next to her, and she says she

1078
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,280
sat on the end of the bed crying and thinking,

1079
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,360
what earth, How am earth? Am I going to be

1080
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,159
strong for my husband and my family? Here I am crying.

1081
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:28,320
I can't even sort of, like, you know, come to

1082
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:28,840
terms with this.

1083
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: She goes.

1084
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: At that point, the door opened and in came four

1085
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,199
or five. She wasn't shortly exact, number four or five

1086
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:40,000
small centaur beings, she said, maybe a foot high. And

1087
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,119
she said they weren't pretty. They were very ugly creatures

1088
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:46,360
with ugly faces. She said two of them looked over

1089
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,360
in the cop as the dead baby, and a couple

1090
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,800
of others, maybe two or three looked up at her

1091
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,280
face and star stared at her, and she said something

1092
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,480
changed with her. She suddenly felt strong and able to

1093
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:00,559
carry on, and so whatever they did some sort of

1094
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:05,800
psychological positive healing effect on her psychology psychologically wise. And

1095
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,400
then they went and I don't know whether they went,

1096
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,880
whether it went buck out of the room or they

1097
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,840
just vanished. She didn't say, but she just sort of

1098
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,039
said the benefit she received.

1099
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:13,679
Speaker 4: Would have thought she'd be more traumatized.

1100
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:20,039
Speaker 3: When angels, I know people who can't hand tragedies and

1101
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:22,039
things like this, or they're very sick and or they

1102
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,039
have had a tragedy like that, or they're very sick

1103
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:27,119
and better their visited bi angelic beings that's quite common,

1104
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,920
who give them comfort, but central like beings that are

1105
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,599
very ugly. Angels don't normally appear in that form. They're

1106
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:36,880
usually pleasant. They usually a pleasant appearance. On the subject

1107
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,440
of the pterodactyls and the rope and it's we know,

1108
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:42,760
we who've heard of time slips of people who have

1109
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,039
experiences of seeing something that was from the past. This

1110
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:47,559
sounds to me what this sounds about.

1111
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 4: It's another possibility.

1112
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it could be that the reason they see

1113
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,199
these dinosaur like creatures because they are literally seeing something

1114
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,320
that used to be there, a creature that used to

1115
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,280
fly in the sky. It no longer does, and they're

1116
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,480
just having a vision of the past. This has happened

1117
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,960
to me. I've described that when I was in a

1118
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,800
pub once, in the Basis Project, in the function room,

1119
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:12,400
I had a just for a few seconds, I had

1120
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,000
a vision of something that looked like something that happened

1121
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:19,840
in that room many many years earlier. It was should

1122
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,159
I tell the whole Can I tell a story briefly? Yes?

1123
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: We got a few minutes before break, and after this

1124
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,280
would take a break.

1125
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: Okay, to put it very very briefly. I was at

1126
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,960
the Basis Project conference in the pub called the Black Swan,

1127
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:34,719
a very old pub, many centuries old. I went into

1128
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:36,679
a half asleep state when I was in the room

1129
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:38,760
and found myself standing at the back of the room.

1130
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,440
The fire was lit behind me. The big table in

1131
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,519
the middle had been laid with a white cloth, and

1132
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:45,559
there were people sitting around the table. Not the people

1133
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,079
who were at the conference, you know, Miles and the

1134
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:51,599
others had just vanished. They'd all vanished. The people were

1135
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:54,280
sitting and laughing and having a good time. They were

1136
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,159
they were eating dinner. It looked like there was some

1137
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:58,559
half eating plates of food. There were some glasses of

1138
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:02,000
red wine, and they appeared to be it was like

1139
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:04,000
a party. They were well dressed. There was a slightly

1140
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:06,199
retro look to the way their hair and their their

1141
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:09,800
clothing and hair looked a little bit sort of retro. Afterwards,

1142
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,159
I worked out it's probably the fashions of the nineteen

1143
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,719
hundred to nineteen twenty time period. This lasted I would

1144
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:17,639
say less than three seconds and I was back in

1145
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:19,800
the room. I woke up properly back in the room,

1146
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,239
but it's very, very vivid. They didn't seem to perceive me.

1147
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,039
I was just standing there. I could feel the heat

1148
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:26,199
of the fire. I could smell cigarette smoke, and some

1149
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:29,039
of the men were smoking, which you never do nowadays.

1150
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,760
And that's just one example, many, many, many people have

1151
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:34,559
this experience.

1152
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 5: They do.

1153
01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:39,119
Speaker 3: And I was wondering if maybe, I mean, obviously this

1154
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,519
was from comparatively recently, but is it possible that there

1155
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:44,400
was a time, of course, where these creatures did fly

1156
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,280
through the skies of this earth. Were they perceiving something

1157
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,119
that used to happen.

1158
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:54,119
Speaker 4: I suppose you'd have to check were they native to

1159
01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:56,920
that area, I mean, Papa a guinea. I don't know

1160
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,320
whether it just used to be didn't exist, and was

1161
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,199
it just volcanoes. I'm not I'm not too sure, and

1162
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:06,440
I know it was part of probably part of another.

1163
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:09,679
Speaker 3: Well, they may be seeing that a parallel They maybe

1164
01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:11,840
have a vision of a parallel universe which to do it.

1165
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,480
They do it parallel universes, a vision of a parallel

1166
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:17,920
universe which is very, very similar to Earth's own past.

1167
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: I mean, if if there are timeslips, which possibly there are,

1168
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,719
I'm hoping to the idea. I would have thought there

1169
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:31,320
might be reports additionally of of tyingosaurs, rexes ornosauruses as well.

1170
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,079
Speaker 3: Perhaps that's an interesting question.

1171
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. Why why is it this rope? You know,

1172
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:42,199
somebody saying the sort of dinosaur running through a forred

1173
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,400
well back. But I wonder whether it was one of

1174
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,719
those you know, the joke you searching get for your dog.

1175
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those.

1176
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 4: They really think that, right.

1177
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: I think what we'll do, we'll take a break here

1178
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:59,320
and repairsh our drinks and we're going to be talking

1179
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,119
more on open dinosaurs, t rex's, brontosauruses and maybe talk

1180
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a little bit about sasquatching Bigfoot in part two. So

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join myself, ben Emlyin Jones and Jackie Tolks on the

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Paranormal Peep Show in just a minute. The Day's the

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Speaker 2: Hi, welcome back to the paranorl Peep Show with myself

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Neil Ward, and we have Ben Emlin Jones and cryptozoologist

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expert Jackie Toltz joining us. So, Jackie, getting back to

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your rope and experiences. You're you're a bit doubtful of

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all these rope and experiences, aren't you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I think you know, I think the

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one in Papa New Guineas most likely frigate birds. People

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are saying, I mean some of the people. If somebody

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who lives in land in Papa New Guinea. You know,

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if frigate bird came in and it don't normally in

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the area because they are but I think the seabird

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on they it would look a bit unusual to them,

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so they wouldn't be familiar with it as a native animal.

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It's so similar with the bembe, the dinosaur in in

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Africa they reckon. Some of the sightings are elephants swimming

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that people see them reported them more often not always

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used to seeing swimming elephants. So it looks exactly like

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you've got the head coming out and hump on the back.

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So you know, a similar thing could be with a

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frigate bird. And that they the missionaries are telling it's

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a dinosaur because they've got, you know, investment in thinking

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it's a dinosaur to prove you know, creation happened as

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it did, so you've got and then trust in the

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missieries with that. So you know, I mean that could

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be happening. It might not. I mean they just seemed

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to be. There was also a report in pap the

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Guinea of a massive giant lizard that's facts you know village.

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I can't remember the it was like that it did

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exist in Australia. It was like a covedo dragon creature

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the name of it. But there was a report of that,

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and you know, so there could be things. I mean

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that there's uncontacted tribes in New Guinea still, you know,

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it's supposed to be one of the players. They still cannibalize.

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Price Parry got you know, you know, and talked to

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Rex about this. There is some evidence that still happens.

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So it's an incredibly unexplored area, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well wow, Ben, you want to say something

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whether there's the idea of there being giant reptiles. I mean,

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there are giant reptiles that exist, and the aforementioned commodo dragon,

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and there's a huge lizard. There used to be much

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larger ones in Australia, like there was the giant there

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was the giant goanna, which I think was like about

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twenty feet long or something. And as far as creatures

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that can survive through mass extinctions from the distant past,

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that does happen too. I remember that's David Bellamy. You know,

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when David Bellamy used to do those TV shows for

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he actually was showing this likely this lizard creature and

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I remember remember seeing it when I was a little kid.

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He says. It looks like a lizard, but it is

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not an is it? He says, it's it's much older

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than that. It's older than the dinosaurs, he said. And

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he's holding up this, this creature and.

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Speaker 4: Do it, Tara, probably from these doesn't that yet.

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Speaker 3: It does as like a little funest skull because it

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has like a it's really.

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Speaker 4: Isn't it goes the light affects.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting and it's very very old.

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It's it's it's been around for much. It's all far

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long before the dinosaurs, and it's still it's survived. It's

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it's passed through these various mass extinctions and it's five

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to the present day, so Tenaly, it's possible like a

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big like what it is, it's like a brontosaurus, like

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theropod dinosaur, but it's described as being much smaller. It's

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been has been described as being about the size of

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the elephant, or maybe smaller than an elephant, whereas a

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real bronze stores is like about five times the size

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of an element. The elephant, it was huge. It's is

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there would there be food for it to eat. If

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it's a vegetarian, it could like eat the tree leaves

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or maybe eats leaves or something like giraffes doing.

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Speaker 4: Old dinosaurs, you know, the vegetarians, because they didn't have

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grass in the times of dinosaurs that would bowl relatively late.

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And you know, see see any like movies the dinosaurs

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on grass, but the Jurassic Park it's not accurate as all,

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but you know, they didn't have grass in those days.

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Speaker 2: I heard something about dinosaur times that they believed that

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the Earth's gravity was slightly different back then, because they said,

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if you hadn't brought the sauce into day's world, it

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would not hold up the weight of its neck and

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tail in like the way they just crush it so

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in organ. Yeah, so, yeah, I think it was Andrew

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Jolson might have said it or he heard about it

1271
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and related it to me. But yeah, so they believe

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that the weight of the Earth was or the gravity

1273
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in the Earth was slightly different, maybe more more moonlight,

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perhaps so that these creatures could move and maybe you know,

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I don't know how long the move's being in all,

1276
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but supposedly around the Earth. But maybe the distance of

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the moon was slightly different to make that.

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Speaker 4: So it did in further away, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's getting further away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I know there's there are theories. There's very

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theories that goes into very very strange areas like the

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Earth expanding things like that by what mechanism has never

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really been explained, how you the Earth actually could expand

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and increase mass. Where's that mass coming from? Things like that,

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But there's no.

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Speaker 4: Measure is the thing that leasure line?

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Speaker 3: It's really it's a really incredible idea that's true, But

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we did it is true that the Earth, this is

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not disputed that the Earth's day used to be shorter.

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And I watched the documentary about it is one of

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us walking with Dinosaurs type very sophisticated animations, where it

1292
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did say that the Earth the length of the day

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was like it was twenty three hours and sixteen seconds

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or something rather sixteen minutes rather than twenty four hours

1295
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like that, and that the Earth the oxygen content was

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much higher in the atmosphere.

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Speaker 4: The oxygen was different, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's why those giant insects, because you couldn't get insects

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that pic today because only twenty one percent oxygen and

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they have you know, they're they're The way they breathe

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is not food the way we do. In fact, if

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we live back then we wouldn't be able to breathe

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because the oxygen content will be too high for our lungs.

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Speaker 2: Whereas yeah, we would become.

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Speaker 3: Happy, we would get we would we become hyper we

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would hyperventilate. Yes, so there is there is that, and

1307
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it makes you want to maybe maybe it's it's feasibly

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possible that something from that era did survive, which we

1309
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:41,640
don't know about well, but maybe maybe the reason it

1310
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gets got smaller in size is to do with this

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gravity business.

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Speaker 4: Or it's kind of evolved independently and created the same

1313
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,880
looking creature you don't you know, doesn't have to come

1314
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from that area be survived or one that to carry

1315
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on breeding. Something could evolve since you know.

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Speaker 3: You be crease or decrease in size for evolution pygmy

1317
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elephants and things like that. You get. So theoretically it

1318
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is sound. Whether whether it actually exists or not is

1319
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another matter, But theoretically I'm open to the audio. Theoretically something

1320
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could exist like that.

1321
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Speaker 2: It's interesting that the creatures that seem to have survived

1322
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from the dinosaur age. Right, You've got the alligator and

1323
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the crocodile, both water based creatures, and then you've got

1324
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the cedar campfish as well, which are sort of extinct.

1325
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They seem to have come from that dinosaur period and

1326
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survived right through. So they survived right through the changes

1327
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in gravity, in the oxygen content of the Earth and

1328
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that kind of stuff. And it's interesting in they survived

1329
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:44,720
this supposed extinction event, which was the asteroid hit in

1330
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the Earth, apparently in sort of like South America where

1331
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it landed.

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Speaker 4: So I suppose they're all relatively small animals there reckon

1333
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a lot of small animals because then get into caves

1334
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,000
and they said the big ones wouldn't have had a

1335
01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:02,520
chance because the get cover by Yeah, that's their There.

1336
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Speaker 3: Was also the the Court. One of the effects of

1337
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,000
this asteroids that in the US was there was there

1338
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:10,720
was a global cooling over I think a ten year period,

1339
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,119
ten to twenty years. It was the earth temperature dropped

1340
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:16,479
by a five degrees and that that they couldn't cope without.

1341
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:20,600
But again, some some creatures will will adapt to that,

1342
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others won't. But I mean when it comes to the seed.

1343
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:25,600
That's a completely different matter. I mean most of the

1344
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,520
like you know, living dinosaur reports come from the sea.

1345
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,880
For example, there's the it was in work I think

1346
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,000
in World War One or World War II, there was

1347
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a German U boat off the coast I think it

1348
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:41,439
was off the coast of Ireland, and this creature jumped

1349
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,600
out of the sea. They described as being like a crocodile,

1350
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,000
except to add flippers instead of legs. Now there is

1351
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:48,600
there used to be a dinosaur. I think it was

1352
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,479
called the Oratus, the Heenosaurus, I think it was called

1353
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that actually did look like that. It was an aquatic dinosaur.

1354
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And the apparently the crew didn't know that it didn't

1355
01:13:02,279 --> 01:13:04,159
know about this. They didn't sell there's an a heinosaur.

1356
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:06,239
They said, this is like it's like a crocodile like

1357
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:11,000
thing with flippers and they sort of leap out of

1358
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,800
the city. And there's the I mean, if that's the case,

1359
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,279
then it's possible in the oceans, because in the oceans

1360
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:20,720
is it's finding things in the ocean is far harder

1361
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,840
than finding them on land. For a population of unknown

1362
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,640
creatures to exist in the ocean is much more like. Indeed,

1363
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,119
they have I mean the other creatures like the giant squid,

1364
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:33,359
which was a crypt and then but then its existence

1365
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,279
was confirmed. We could be looking at something like that,

1366
01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:39,159
which may be it may be a living fossil, something

1367
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:44,319
that survived the big hit and they has thrived in

1368
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:47,119
the ocean depths away from Obviously, it's not like a dolphin.

1369
01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:49,359
It doesn't it doesn't approach us and try to communicate.

1370
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It's something that may be actively avoiding human contact.

1371
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Speaker 2: Interesting you mentioned about the that the giant squid, and

1372
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,920
there's that story. I remember seeing it on the Arthur C.

1373
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:04,039
Clark's Mysterious World program. Then I subsequently looked it up

1374
01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:07,560
online and it was the guy that I think in

1375
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,920
the original series. He had died sort of when they

1376
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:11,880
made the series, but I think his sisters and his

1377
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,680
friend were discussed in the case. And it'ud be about

1378
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nineteen eighty one or something. They were filmed, I think,

1379
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,720
and it was this guy they'd survived getting torpedoed by

1380
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,159
the Germans. And there's like five or six of them

1381
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:27,239
in this raph floating somewhere, and I think it was

1382
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:31,399
a nighttime. First, some huge creature came over and pulled

1383
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,439
one of the people under completely shot them, and then

1384
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,520
a few minus later came back and tried to get

1385
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,319
this particular guy that was survived, and because his friends

1386
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:45,439
saw the previous guy that they immediately grabbed to him

1387
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,520
and held on to him, and eventually it just sort

1388
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,840
of went away, but it pulled bits of this flesh

1389
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,000
off his leg and left huge scars on his leg

1390
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:57,000
and marks, didn't he that's right, Yeah, And they worked

1391
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,000
out for his snucker marks. They worked out for the

1392
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,319
signs of the sucker marks his leg with the scar

1393
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:03,439
and everything that they worked out. It was at least

1394
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,239
twenty six to thirty feet long. This huge squid. They

1395
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:07,960
said they couldn't see it clearly to the dart. They

1396
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,119
could see the shape of it against the night skies

1397
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:13,600
that came over the boat. So yeah, one of these

1398
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,279
rare things where a person gets attacked by a giant squid.

1399
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Speaker 10: The late Lieutenant Ari Grimani Cox was returning home to

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England in nineteen forty two when he encountered one of

1401
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the Second World War's most nightmarish sea stories. His troop

1402
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,439
ship was sunk by a German raider in the south

1403
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:39,359
of Atlantic Cowkes found himself on a fragile raft was

1404
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,680
set by sharks. After five days came a sinister assault.

1405
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Cox showed the evidence later to a friend.

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01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:49,119
Speaker 3: Well, when I.

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Speaker 11: Looked at his leg, he pulled up his trousers and

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01:15:52,359 --> 01:15:54,800
I could see scars the size of a penny, which

1409
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,680
is at an incant a quarter of the old penny

1410
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,479
were darted at intervals way up his leg. And these

1411
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,359
were white scars, sunk quite deep into the flesh where

1412
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:06,600
the skin had been pulled off.

1413
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 10: Before he died in nineteen seventy one, Cox told the

1414
01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:13,640
story to his sisters as well as to his friend,

1415
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,039
a biologist, Professor Cloudsley Thompson.

1416
01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 11: All right, yes, we didn't show me that.

1417
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,079
Speaker 4: He only showed me that he.

1418
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 11: Well, he was you his sisters, and this was in

1419
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,239
the miss There were twelve of them on the raft

1420
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:31,800
Nishe and only three survived to the end of the

1421
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,039
five games. And one of the most horrifying things that

1422
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:38,600
happened while they were lying there, dying one by one

1423
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:44,920
from thirst, was one evening when they were attacked by

1424
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:50,239
John Squid. An enormous shape appeared beside the raft, and

1425
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:53,880
a huge arm came over and snatched one of the

1426
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,079
men and tore him off the raft. Before anybody could

1427
01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:59,520
do anything to save him, and presumably he was eaten

1428
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:02,880
and they were still barely recovering from the shock of

1429
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,079
this when another arm or tentacle came over the side

1430
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:11,239
of the raft. He saw it slouted against the starlit

1431
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:14,800
sky and it fastened itself on him, round his leg

1432
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,600
and around his body, particularly his right leg, because that's

1433
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,239
where the scars mainly worth. He showed me, but I

1434
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:21,600
believe he'd said that they were on the rest of

1435
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,800
his body as well, and he'd have been pulled.

1436
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 3: Off just like the others.

1437
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 11: Only fortunately by that time people were alert, and so

1438
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,319
they grabbed on and held him and instead of him

1439
01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:33,880
being pulled over the side, the circles pulled lumps of

1440
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,119
skin off him, off his body, and this is what

1441
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:39,279
caused these massive number of scars.

1442
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,039
Speaker 2: All over him at the quid and so.

1443
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:43,159
Speaker 4: All.

1444
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:48,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you'd almost call that dinosaur and it sighs,

1445
01:17:48,399 --> 01:17:51,800
you know the fact that he'd expect squids to be

1446
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,960
small little things. They used to be millions of years

1447
01:17:55,119 --> 01:17:57,399
but here we are, and we've had signs in two

1448
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:01,000
thousand and seven where they actually filmed and timea squids,

1449
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,159
certain depths, huge squids and Japan they've hauled up some

1450
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:08,560
of their nets and things, fishing boats and things. So

1451
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:11,520
there they've they've been proof to exists. They were always

1452
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,560
laughed at that they've been proof exists. Now so I

1453
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,640
wonder with the technology, as we're going forward, with the technology,

1454
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,359
what we've got that you would be able to get

1455
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:25,199
better at finding these things, whether it's some uh ropen

1456
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:30,760
in Papa New Guinea or indeed Bigfoot in the Great

1457
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,880
Northwest of America or something. You know, it's it's a

1458
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,520
lot of technologies on our side to fund these things.

1459
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, you know, just getting across Packa

1460
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,520
New Guinea really, I mean, you know, most people have

1461
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,399
to use the missionaries planes, and you know, there's only

1462
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,039
so many places that lands, so it's still quite difficult

1463
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:57,800
to get across. And I think there's one film crew

1464
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,880
is saying it was a bit of a pain trying

1465
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,680
to move around because some of the people are very

1466
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,840
peny realized if you're a film crew, you potentially had

1467
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,199
a ten thousand pounds hip, and some of the very

1468
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:14,720
rich film crews were having to, you know, basically hand

1469
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,399
out this money to some of the tribes and they're

1470
01:19:16,399 --> 01:19:19,119
all getting so each tribe was asking and it's great,

1471
01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:22,399
you know, they deserved to end some money, but it

1472
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,680
was getting to the point where it was getting unaffordable

1473
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:29,760
to move, you know. So there are there are issues

1474
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,560
like that Ininea. You know, there's all sorts and there's

1475
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:37,000
some very obviously you know my friends I call when

1476
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:40,399
there's stuff diseases there. We just don't have any somebody

1477
01:19:41,279 --> 01:19:44,279
dad lost some of his foot and peas of the

1478
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,279
you know, it's very human environment, so you know it

1479
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:50,000
can be quite a dangerous environment to sort of live in.

1480
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then you've got to survive. Which tribe

1481
01:19:56,319 --> 01:19:58,079
a you're going to get eaten by? Maybe? I mean,

1482
01:19:58,119 --> 01:20:00,720
you know, maybe they're pretty friendly out there, most of them,

1483
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,680
but you might come across the odd tribe that you

1484
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,119
weren't expecting and see you before.

1485
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 4: In britt Pirie got a confession that somebody had been

1486
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,920
eating eighteen months before when he interviewed them. That was

1487
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,600
on me so many years ago, you know, I think,

1488
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,319
you know, those beliefs are quite strong, and it's about

1489
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,680
like possessing overcoming the evil side, isn't it the person?

1490
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,159
You have to eat them? And they know that's sad

1491
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:25,239
belief really, so.

1492
01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you inherit their wisdom and you inherit their their

1493
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,239
cleverness or something. This is this is the things I've heard.

1494
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,640
I mean it might vary on country to country, but

1495
01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:36,960
by eating part of that person that was a village elder,

1496
01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:40,319
you you you take on some of their wisdom and

1497
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,239
wisdom and spirit or something like that as well. So

1498
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:48,600
it's done more of the kind of uh, a metaphysical sense.

1499
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:50,039
Speaker 3: Rather than just a nutritional thing.

1500
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine that's Saturday nice

1501
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,079
might be interesting you eating intnet, you're eating it out,

1502
01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:57,359
you know.

1503
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, beats feats back done.

1504
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's right. I mean, Sunday roads, Sunday roast must

1505
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,800
be a pleasure out there, you know, go to Grandma's

1506
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:17,960
for Sunday ROAs and finals. Actually Grandma if we just people,

1507
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:22,079
So this moves slightly away from the rope un and

1508
01:21:22,119 --> 01:21:27,359
the saw and the terrandactyls. Jackie, your experiences with Bigfoot,

1509
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,279
and obviously you could put like lots of arguments against

1510
01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:33,600
Bigfoot exists, and there's lots of skeptics out there now.

1511
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,600
But yeah, seeing bears and things like that, now you

1512
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,920
you claim to have seen them, and your battery had

1513
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,439
run out at the wrong moment and you were charging.

1514
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was the day i'd been charging and

1515
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,239
it was just you know, in a cigarette light but

1516
01:21:49,359 --> 01:21:53,720
below and before that I'd always had that not connected

1517
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,840
and jammed into the front of the windscreen with my

1518
01:21:57,159 --> 01:21:58,920
neck pillow you know, were the ones you fly with,

1519
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,960
get the crect neck and that worked quite well. And

1520
01:22:02,039 --> 01:22:06,680
it was a day. What'sn't well? Our friends said he's married,

1521
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,359
quite spiritual that he said, oh you were you know,

1522
01:22:09,399 --> 01:22:12,760
you weren't meant film it might I mean, you know,

1523
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,520
I mean it's talked about the Sascot Summit. You know,

1524
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:19,800
I would say eighty percent plus people are that summit

1525
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,399
in seen them. But the issue is should we share

1526
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,720
that information? Are people ready? Are they just in a

1527
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,760
shoot moll? You know? And that there's it's quite political

1528
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:35,319
stuff because they discovered a species of our in Oregon

1529
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:38,560
and they lost billions to the economy because it were

1530
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,359
they had to stop logging in that area. So it's

1531
01:22:40,359 --> 01:22:43,640
a very sore point and a lot of the rangers

1532
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,079
and the loggers just aren't allowed to talk about bifore.

1533
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:49,079
They get really panicky if you ask him questions. So

1534
01:22:49,159 --> 01:22:51,319
we don't talk about that, and you don't get saying

1535
01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:54,840
we can't talk about unicorn, so you know, they get

1536
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:56,159
quite panicky, you know.

1537
01:22:57,079 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, at a point, I mean, there are certain legislatures

1538
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,720
and now passed laws to protect bigfoot, even though it's

1539
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:12,520
not officially state Oregon. Yeah, certainly in the Pacific Northwest, Oregon, Washington,

1540
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,199
there there are they were representatives.

1541
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 4: Partly that's the tech people who that's up in Monkey

1542
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,640
six to fill people for case it's a royal animal

1543
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,479
and the pictures of Washington state rember correctly.

1544
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1545
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 4: So if it's found to be human like, you'll have

1546
01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:33,640
for murder, and if it's found the ape like, you'll

1547
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,359
get had to shooting a rare animal.

1548
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is I know, I'm on the skeptic forms.

1549
01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:40,399
They were taking a mickey out of list but it's

1550
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,279
it's a serious business because no offense. I mean we

1551
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:45,399
have I know we have listeners in the United States,

1552
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:50,039
but no offense to to those them. But Americans being Americans,

1553
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,720
what's the first thing that could happen if this is

1554
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,039
ever openly discussed and acknowledged to exist. What's the first

1555
01:23:56,039 --> 01:23:58,000
thing they're going to do. They're going to go and

1556
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,159
they're going to get their dole bar shot done out

1557
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,079
of the cupboard and they're going to head outs to

1558
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:04,800
want it to be the first one to bag one

1559
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,159
for the shelf. And the problem with that is that

1560
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:09,960
we don't know how many there are left, and we

1561
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,640
know they could be critically endangered. Yeah, should we know

1562
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,960
what that relation is? You know, because we know the

1563
01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:19,960
like at Bluff Creek, that the area where Patson and

1564
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,359
Gimlin had their sighting. You don't get like sightings there

1565
01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:25,720
anymore because there's a big logging road there and there

1566
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,880
are lumberjacks everywhere, and of course these street.

1567
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 4: Where by sighting was they be miles away of the

1568
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,520
Book Creek, but it's not easy to get to. And

1569
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,800
it's also a lot of marijuana legal marijuana growing around there,

1570
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,399
so you're in quite danger if you go in the area.

1571
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,960
We speaking to a ranger. He said, you don't go

1572
01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:44,880
this bit, don't go back. But you know it's too

1573
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,640
too dangerous. So I mean it's still there is a massive,

1574
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,039
big logging road, yeah, right next by it.

1575
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:52,159
Speaker 2: But at the.

1576
01:24:52,119 --> 01:24:56,159
Speaker 4: Same time we only saw one truck in ten days,

1577
01:24:56,199 --> 01:25:00,880
so so you have one of the are coming. Will

1578
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,720
We're on that road. We saw one truck, but we

1579
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,800
are and it's still quite remote.

1580
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is still a creature that does it appears

1581
01:25:09,079 --> 01:25:11,479
although it will approach humans at time, it still obviously

1582
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,800
wants to keep is evolved kind of evasive behavior as

1583
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:22,319
many as many animals have evasive behavior towards humans. And so,

1584
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,239
I mean, this could be. It could be that they

1585
01:25:24,279 --> 01:25:25,560
are that. We don't know how many there are, We

1586
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,159
don't know what their population is, as so I understand. Well,

1587
01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:32,039
the first thing I would do, if I was the

1588
01:25:32,079 --> 01:25:36,520
government should do if this thing, if it ever possibly

1589
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:40,399
not positively acknowledged thingsist, is they leave them alone, don't

1590
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:44,960
touch them. You're not You're not to hunt these creatures't understandable.

1591
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,319
Speaker 2: It's interesting because one of the people that supposedly brought

1592
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:53,640
a sasquatchin was this guy, I think it's Frank Hanson,

1593
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,359
I think his name was. It was mentioned in the

1594
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:59,119
book Everything You Know Is Wrong by Lloyd Pye, who

1595
01:25:59,239 --> 01:26:01,279
did come on later on to talk about the Star

1596
01:26:01,399 --> 01:26:03,960
Child's Gold, but before he went into those areas, he

1597
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,880
had written a book about Sasquatches and the Patterson Gimlin film,

1598
01:26:08,199 --> 01:26:10,479
and he also mentioned his experience as a child in

1599
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:15,239
nineteen sixty seven where he would see this what was

1600
01:26:15,279 --> 01:26:17,960
called the Minnesota Iceman, and it was this guy I

1601
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,239
think his name is Frank Hanson, and he would take

1602
01:26:20,279 --> 01:26:23,880
it around shopping malls and traveling theirs, and it was

1603
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,439
allegedly he made up various stories about where this creature

1604
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:30,359
had come from, because I think basically someone had pointed

1605
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:32,439
out to him, maybe a lawyer or something like that,

1606
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,960
that if this is decreed to be at least part

1607
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:39,520
human and you've shot it, you could be out for murder.

1608
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,000
And so he made up all these stories about where

1609
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,439
it had come from, Hong Kong, or it's found close.

1610
01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 12: To Japan, and yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no story was

1611
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:53,399
ever straight, but eventually kind of wrote a more honest

1612
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:58,000
account later on when he said, I don't remember putting

1613
01:26:58,079 --> 01:27:01,079
the trigger, but I the gun go off.

1614
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:03,359
Speaker 2: So he wrote it in such a way that he

1615
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,079
wasn't admitting to killing it. But he said he saw

1616
01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:09,520
three of them, and interestingly, like the Patterson Gimblin Fold

1617
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,119
when they first encountered their Patty Bee foot, this one

1618
01:27:13,239 --> 01:27:16,640
was drinking by a water or something on one ran

1619
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,560
towards him as if to attack him, and he said

1620
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:21,800
he doesn't remember putting the trigger. That's what he said

1621
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,479
to protect himself in legal terms. But he obviously shot

1622
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,840
it and he killed it, and then he didn't know

1623
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:28,279
what to do, and he left it there for like

1624
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:31,239
six days, and it snowed on the body, and he

1625
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:33,760
kept thinking about it, and eventually he went back with

1626
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,760
a friend of his. I think that he confided it

1627
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,760
and they found the body under the snow. They put

1628
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,560
it into the truck, and so he decided to put

1629
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,680
it in his basement and put it in a freezer

1630
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,159
and cover it in ice, and he kept it there

1631
01:27:46,199 --> 01:27:48,239
for a year, and eventually, I think with the permission

1632
01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:49,960
of his wife, they greed on sort of a plan

1633
01:27:50,039 --> 01:27:52,960
that they would go around touring around shopping malls and

1634
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,399
called it the Minnesota Iceman, but be very cagy about

1635
01:27:56,399 --> 01:27:59,039
what it actually was, but to kind of help back

1636
01:27:59,119 --> 01:28:01,319
up the story of what kind of creature could have been,

1637
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,399
they actually called in some anthropologists you spent about three

1638
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,119
days examine this thing in their own film god and said,

1639
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:09,000
we've never seen anything like this, you know.

1640
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 13: Hooverman's, though, believed there was a good reason for the

1641
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,199
true story to stay hidden, a reason that if true,

1642
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,640
might prove to be a violation of national law.

1643
01:28:21,159 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 14: We were struck by many things, the enormous hands and

1644
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:30,239
the enormous feet, and also more especially the features of

1645
01:28:30,319 --> 01:28:34,920
the face, because it was absolutely.

1646
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,119
Speaker 3: Unlike any man on earth.

1647
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 14: It was obvious that this creature had been killed because

1648
01:28:45,159 --> 01:28:49,760
the one eye was completely missing and the other was

1649
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:54,920
hanging out of the socket, and it had blood all right,

1650
01:28:55,039 --> 01:28:58,079
So we thought it was probably shot in one eye

1651
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:02,000
and the bullet made the I pop out. There is

1652
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:07,439
no question that the eisman could be a hoax, fake dummy,

1653
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,520
rubber dummy, over what have you, as they told in

1654
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,560
the press, when you have seen something. We examined this

1655
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:20,920
creature for three days, very carefully, and we were very suspicious,

1656
01:29:21,039 --> 01:29:24,279
I can tell you at the start, but after a

1657
01:29:24,279 --> 01:29:26,520
while that was quite ruled out.

1658
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 3: No, there is absolutely.

1659
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 14: No doubt for me that I have been examining a

1660
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,560
neundertone man surviving the undertone man.

1661
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,039
Speaker 13: Hooverman's believed the specimen to be a kind of human

1662
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,640
rather than non human primate, but for most the iceman

1663
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,920
generally matches the image of a bigfoot with sasquatch.

1664
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,359
Speaker 2: And even when they're examining it, say the eye. They said,

1665
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:53,840
you can tell it was real hair.

1666
01:29:55,279 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 4: Been shot in the eye, didn't it, which, yeah, they

1667
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,600
stop me doing the model. You wouldn't do that.

1668
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: No, that's right. It was shot in the eye and

1669
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,319
the pressure of the eye shooting out of the head

1670
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,800
popped the other eye out, so both of his eynes

1671
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:12,439
were missing or one was hanging on. Yeah, but they

1672
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,600
examined its hair and everything, although they couldn't get down

1673
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,680
and get samples. I think part of the glass cracked

1674
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:21,039
or something. So the story went as one of the

1675
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:23,600
lent on it and some of the fumes from this

1676
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,920
body leaked up out through the ice and they could

1677
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,079
smell it. It smelt really awful. So you know, if

1678
01:30:29,079 --> 01:30:31,520
you're thinking this is just a rubber a rubber man

1679
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,600
suit thing, it wouldn't smell at all. So they could

1680
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,319
definitely smell the decompositional things as the air got to it.

1681
01:30:39,319 --> 01:30:42,079
So by and large, it looked like it was a

1682
01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:45,239
genuine and a lot of people thought they estimated it

1683
01:30:45,279 --> 01:30:49,359
was perhaps a young six to seven year old sasquatch

1684
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,520
because it was only about six foot at all. It

1685
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:57,960
wasn't there. Yeah, And then later on, when he started

1686
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,079
getting worried, about maybe being rested for killing the potential

1687
01:31:01,359 --> 01:31:05,880
half human. He decided to swap it with a rubber dummy.

1688
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,039
And that's where the story becomes a little bit clouded, because.

1689
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's when it gets a bit

1690
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,039
I start to think a bit suspicious of it. Yeah. Yeah.

1691
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 2: But b Lloyd Pye, who was a believer in the

1692
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,479
Patison film, and he's got theories about the whole thing.

1693
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,000
He said, there's no way this was fate. He said,

1694
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,720
I remember seeing it as a kid, paying three or

1695
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,279
four cents to see this thing an up close. You

1696
01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:33,279
could see that it was a creature, a real life

1697
01:31:33,319 --> 01:31:35,399
at once living, breathing creature.

1698
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 15: Harminid researcher Laurie Pye witnessed the Iceman for himself. It

1699
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:42,479
triggered a life long passion.

1700
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,199
Speaker 16: Body was in a seven foot freezer, long and about

1701
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:49,880
three feet wide and about three and a half feet deep.

1702
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,199
It was put in with its knees lifted up a

1703
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:56,560
little bit, and it had its arm up over its head.

1704
01:31:57,279 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 15: Over the years, showman Frank Hanson came out with several

1705
01:32:01,039 --> 01:32:04,640
stories about how this creature was found. At one point,

1706
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,079
Hanson even claimed to have killed it himself. In the

1707
01:32:07,119 --> 01:32:14,680
Minnesota Woods. Lloyd Pye believes this is a credible story.

1708
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 16: It sees him, It puts its arm up like this

1709
01:32:19,159 --> 01:32:23,199
to protect its face that he shoots through the wrist.

1710
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,800
The bullet plows right between those two bones, goes into

1711
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,000
the eye and blows out the back of the head.

1712
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:35,399
Iceman shows us by its reality that what we think

1713
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,159
about ourselves and about.

1714
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:41,279
Speaker 6: The again, the fauna on earth is just not the

1715
01:32:41,319 --> 01:32:41,840
way it is.

1716
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,399
Speaker 2: They had very big hands and big feet, and they said,

1717
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:47,399
if you get a fake a dummy, why would you

1718
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,439
give extremely big hands and big feet. And I think

1719
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,760
it's something to do with when they measure children's rate

1720
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:58,760
of growth, they're always aks ray the hands. Yeah, they

1721
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,039
can work out your growth rate through your bones and

1722
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:03,800
your fingers. And perhaps this is a similar thing with

1723
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,359
the Sasquatches with their big hands. I don't know for sure,

1724
01:33:06,399 --> 01:33:07,359
but that's just like dogs.

1725
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,039
Speaker 4: Isn't there a dog with big fit's with big talks.

1726
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:11,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1727
01:33:11,159 --> 01:33:13,319
Speaker 2: I don't have any big, big dogs in blocks of ice,

1728
01:33:13,359 --> 01:33:17,800
but I can go with that. But yeah, So he

1729
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:21,119
supported the Patterson given in film, which has been analyzed

1730
01:33:21,159 --> 01:33:24,520
now and they managed to stabilize the footage which is something. Obviously,

1731
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,399
Patson and Gimming when they shot that in ninety six

1732
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,880
had no idea that no one did, as such technologies

1733
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,119
would exist fifty sixty years later.

1734
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,159
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm frangs with Gimmel and as honest as

1735
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:38,880
a die. It's really honest. Blake sends you meet him

1736
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,640
ten minutes talking. Now, that guy wouldn't fake anything. It's

1737
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:47,760
just you know, and you know you look at the

1738
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,720
analysis of it. I mean, you know, it's a massive,

1739
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,720
big trapezia muscle on his back like a gorilla's showing.

1740
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:59,199
Speaker 17: You know, how far away was she when you first

1741
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:02,600
saw her, just across the creek about like from here

1742
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,880
across the creek.

1743
01:34:07,239 --> 01:34:08,399
Speaker 3: That's when I first saw her.

1744
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:15,039
Speaker 18: She's standing upright. I thought, you know, this isn't this

1745
01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:21,000
is unreal, the way it was moving, a massive muscle.

1746
01:34:28,079 --> 01:34:29,920
Roger had the camera up to his eyes, and he

1747
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:36,079
stumbled and fell where you can see the shakiness part.

1748
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:40,279
Speaker 8: I rode across the creek.

1749
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,119
Speaker 18: I got off the horse and took my rifle out

1750
01:34:45,159 --> 01:34:47,600
of the scabbard in case I had to make a shot.

1751
01:34:52,119 --> 01:35:04,880
She made that turn to look keep on walker. She

1752
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:16,399
went on up out of side of that canyon. All

1753
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,159
this time, I'm thinking, Holy matrons, the thing do exist.

1754
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 4: People don't have that. I mean, the the legs of

1755
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,279
the tours say the way it moves. Not even you man.

1756
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:31,239
You know, people said, somebody to grinds it and you're

1757
01:35:31,239 --> 01:35:33,880
walking across a dry creek bed looking over your shoulder,

1758
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:36,960
we go flat on our face, wouldn't we? Yeah, you know,

1759
01:35:37,079 --> 01:35:39,840
But that's just some interesting that floated that animal.

1760
01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:42,359
Speaker 2: I saw an interview with a girl who is a costumer.

1761
01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:44,039
They call them furries and they make fair.

1762
01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 4: That's amazing that that is really in that video.

1763
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 2: I talk us about it. How if you're in a suit,

1764
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,800
you cannot see where you're going.

1765
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 4: Any same thing of that video. She said that you

1766
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:01,640
can said the shop way of going up his leg

1767
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:07,720
needed hydraulics to get that, and she said they would

1768
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,640
not have had hydraulics, saying they don't think you're rolling

1769
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:14,560
about that to make it look authentic. She said, someone

1770
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:18,560
really stately art for people have this hydraulic effect on that.

1771
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,399
But they wouldn't have known about that.

1772
01:36:21,239 --> 01:36:24,399
Speaker 3: Then why it is the only as far as far

1773
01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:28,840
as the legal issue goes, I mean, the what supposing

1774
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,880
these creatures were of knowledge? I mean it would all

1775
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,920
depend on what kind of creature they were. So physically

1776
01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:38,159
they're clearly not human. They as as we are. However,

1777
01:36:38,399 --> 01:36:40,199
they are simmy and they're they're obviously a type of

1778
01:36:40,199 --> 01:36:43,520
ape and they walk like we do. No other unless

1779
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:47,039
the orang pendeck is not real. We are the earlier,

1780
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:48,840
and that could be real. I know Richard's got his

1781
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:49,880
own opinions on that.

1782
01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:55,199
Speaker 4: There's a couple of a while cameramana seeing Gregory holding

1783
01:36:55,239 --> 01:36:58,600
I think Australian camera man a sitting it and Debbie

1784
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,960
marked the conserve officers saying it. I mean. I spoke

1785
01:37:02,039 --> 01:37:05,039
to Gordon Bikkannon it's got to shu wildlife cameraman. He

1786
01:37:05,079 --> 01:37:07,960
was quite ten. I'm trying to get funding because you know,

1787
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:11,479
he said, the others are a bit you know, you know,

1788
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,880
are such that you know, you get you know, big fluting,

1789
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:17,920
that will be you know, you can get a bad reputation,

1790
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:20,920
he said. The ramped deck said, you know, we camera

1791
01:37:21,079 --> 01:37:22,960
cameraman saying, yeah, that's a real animal.

1792
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 3: I think that's really you're talking to Richard. I think

1793
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,560
it is there. But officially we're the only upright walking

1794
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,239
primate on the planet. I mean in the past, there

1795
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:34,960
were more. There were more that's walked up and walked

1796
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,520
on two legs. They had their hands free to grasp things,

1797
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:42,199
and they have flat feet like we do. The Gigantapithecus

1798
01:37:42,319 --> 01:37:45,520
is one that's often mentioned as possibly could be related

1799
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,319
to modern bigfoot. I suppose the opera stances is something

1800
01:37:49,319 --> 01:37:52,119
because it's something unique to us. When if we see

1801
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:55,479
another cretion and there's not human that appears that has

1802
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,640
the same kind of locomotion and stands that we do,

1803
01:37:59,319 --> 01:38:03,159
we may, as indeed Lloyd's you know the sky Lloyd

1804
01:38:03,239 --> 01:38:06,560
knew as we may start thinking, well, should we consider

1805
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,319
these things animals? Now? I suppose it would depend on

1806
01:38:09,359 --> 01:38:11,520
the level of intelligence. This is a debate that goes

1807
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,920
back to the ethics of whale hunting, when scientists started

1808
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,560
to discover things about whales and dolphins that were not

1809
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,600
known previously because people used to consider them a little

1810
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,720
more than air breathing fish. Then they discover actually they

1811
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,800
are actually very They have a huge brain, and they

1812
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:32,399
are capable of communication of very complicated kind. They're clearly

1813
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,439
are I mean I know that in I think it

1814
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,479
was India that classified them as a third type of being.

1815
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,079
So they're not animals in India, and officially I think

1816
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:44,399
they're not animals, and there's something else. They're not human,

1817
01:38:44,399 --> 01:38:46,840
but they're classified as sort of semi human.

1818
01:38:47,399 --> 01:38:50,560
Speaker 4: Well, I mean gorillas. They've now shown gorillas have a language.

1819
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,399
And when I slightly gorillas and out, but I thought

1820
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,119
there's a primitive language going on here, and they now

1821
01:38:56,239 --> 01:39:00,319
say there is a language. And even monkeys they use

1822
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:07,319
grammars use grammar. Yeah, there's a thing where they something

1823
01:39:07,399 --> 01:39:09,439
they use in front of a word that means it

1824
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,159
might be a snake and not not sure, be careful.

1825
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,000
And then there's another sound they make for this sound

1826
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:18,119
snake that means, oh yeah, it's definitely a snake, and

1827
01:39:18,119 --> 01:39:20,880
they behave completely differently, And I said, that's a primitive

1828
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:21,680
form of grammar.

1829
01:39:22,119 --> 01:39:25,399
Speaker 3: They found about like whale whale song and dolphins and

1830
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:28,680
dolphin calls. These actually are bay zips law And I was,

1831
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,000
it's like an organ. It's not just like making noises

1832
01:39:31,239 --> 01:39:33,600
for for simple communication the way dogs were dogs and

1833
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,800
cats will, but it's something more complicated. So maybe there's

1834
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:40,279
this this dividing line between animal and human will become

1835
01:39:40,359 --> 01:39:42,319
more blurred over time.

1836
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,119
Speaker 4: I think you look at nuture there's loads of videos

1837
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:49,399
of showing animals doing things that people didn't realize they

1838
01:39:49,399 --> 01:39:53,600
could do, you know, and I think when they're realizing

1839
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,199
they're not quite as different as us. I think there's

1840
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:56,720
a lot of.

1841
01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 3: If I went to pan and someone served me nice

1842
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,119
and sushi, and I'd say, that's a fish, give it

1843
01:40:03,159 --> 01:40:05,880
here and I'll I'll eat it. But if someone served

1844
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:07,079
me he said, well, this is this came from this

1845
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:09,479
is a piece of whale meat, I would I would

1846
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,800
not want to eat that. I would feel uncomfortable eating

1847
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:16,680
that for the reason. And so we are getting into

1848
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:19,359
we're getting into a realm where supposing an upright creature

1849
01:40:19,399 --> 01:40:21,159
that had a very high level of intelligence. We don't

1850
01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:24,039
know how intelligent they are in terms of they could be.

1851
01:40:24,079 --> 01:40:26,520
It could be there more intelligent than say gorillas and chimps.

1852
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,720
See this is why it could be. There's something. There

1853
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,960
may be elements in the in the in the system.

1854
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,960
I don't want to get too conspiratory because we're talking cryptosology,

1855
01:40:37,279 --> 01:40:39,800
but I but that may not like the idea that

1856
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,079
such a creature could be acknowledged as real. If they

1857
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:44,439
turn out to be too intelligent and too much like us,

1858
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,600
Darcy Weir, a guy who he specializes in uthology, but

1859
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:53,399
he also deals with cryptozoology. He may he's a documentary filmmaker.

1860
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:56,479
I interviewed him talking about their Saskuatch and about how

1861
01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:00,279
some of the loggers have been in Canada where he

1862
01:41:00,319 --> 01:41:04,520
comes from. In British Columbia. They were, they they've they're

1863
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,439
reports of them dying and the body's being taken away

1864
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:11,279
by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Now this is this

1865
01:41:11,319 --> 01:41:13,399
is extraorly because we hear this in New fology all

1866
01:41:13,399 --> 01:41:16,760
the time that there are like crash retrievals like Roswell,

1867
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,640
where the government come in, they see off the area,

1868
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,000
they remove all this decisive physical evidence, and then they

1869
01:41:22,039 --> 01:41:24,840
say it was a weather balloon. This is the first

1870
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,520
time I've come across this kind of activity relating to

1871
01:41:28,079 --> 01:41:30,520
cryptid Is there.

1872
01:41:31,039 --> 01:41:36,079
Speaker 4: Right, Helene's fire. They're supposedly bigfoots taken away, did burns

1873
01:41:36,079 --> 01:41:38,520
and die, But you just don't know. Really, there's a

1874
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:42,039
lot of fantasy stuff, and I find it quite difficult

1875
01:41:42,039 --> 01:41:44,760
in the big field. There is a lot of fantasy stuff.

1876
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,359
I had a conversation with my friend he is American,

1877
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,000
about this, and we both felt some of it goes

1878
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,640
back to the barnum, the circus stuff. But it was

1879
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:58,359
okay to great these fantasy animals because it was entertainment

1880
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,439
and you know you could make money, you know, money

1881
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:03,840
your family out of it. And he said, he feels it.

1882
01:42:04,399 --> 01:42:06,920
You know, it's still quite a big thing in some

1883
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,840
cool it's trying to see the fanco and the reality

1884
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,840
and I think it subdly it gives you know, some

1885
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:15,439
on this big Foot.

1886
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 3: It's a bad name, of course, yeah, because you have

1887
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,359
a signals noise and increases the noise in the signal.

1888
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:25,039
But the point is, is there hypothetically a motive why

1889
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:30,680
state actors would would want the big the existence of

1890
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:36,159
the Bigfoot to remain a fringe official pseudo science because.

1891
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 4: A big one the log in the industry, I mean

1892
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:43,880
the log of investments and this owl that was discovered

1893
01:42:44,079 --> 01:42:47,680
you know, all points in Oregon literally for loads of people,

1894
01:42:48,399 --> 01:42:52,600
you know, basically could log you know a lot of people,

1895
01:42:53,359 --> 01:42:56,880
Richard Sudden, they went very poor. So it is it

1896
01:42:57,079 --> 01:42:59,880
is a sort of point. There's also the religion side

1897
01:43:00,079 --> 01:43:03,000
bit that if it's a missing link, people don't want

1898
01:43:03,039 --> 01:43:06,640
to accept that. A lot of my you know, one

1899
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:10,079
of my mentors some contral he's also a pastor, and

1900
01:43:10,119 --> 01:43:13,199
he prefers to call it a regressed man or a

1901
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:16,640
type of man, use the word homenode. And you know

1902
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,720
he's into evolution, but he feels more comfortable because of

1903
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,079
his religion. So it's difficult, really, it would. It would

1904
01:43:23,159 --> 01:43:24,800
challenge a lot of people, wouldn't it.

1905
01:43:25,319 --> 01:43:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, sir, the west men.

1906
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,640
Speaker 3: Sorry, I just bought a link in chat. You don't,

1907
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:32,439
I mean, you don't. You don't have to stop the

1908
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:34,760
program to read it, but yeah, it's your leisure you

1909
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,439
might find interesting. It's called keeping big Foot Secret. It's

1910
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:40,000
actually an article I wrote and when did I write it?

1911
01:43:40,079 --> 01:43:46,119
Twenty twenty two about this particular subject, about this particular possibility.

1912
01:43:46,199 --> 01:43:49,920
I mentioned Darcy and his reports that he discovered.

1913
01:43:51,039 --> 01:43:53,119
Speaker 2: I'll put that link in our program description.

1914
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:55,199
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, yeah.

1915
01:43:55,079 --> 01:43:58,199
Speaker 2: Giving back to this pastor. Then, who would prefer to

1916
01:43:58,279 --> 01:44:00,840
keep Bigfoot described as a rested man?

1917
01:44:01,399 --> 01:44:04,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's some of the first nation people

1918
01:44:04,319 --> 01:44:07,880
feel that Bigfoot was originally a man and then something

1919
01:44:08,079 --> 01:44:10,880
happened when it's at forest, and then he became more

1920
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:14,119
man like that. There is some evidence of you know,

1921
01:44:14,279 --> 01:44:17,039
feral children, they get hair don't they waned them to

1922
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:19,800
keep the bodies warm. And people on the rexia do

1923
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:23,199
they start to get the thuds on them to keep

1924
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:28,960
the bodies warm, So that that's one theory. So but

1925
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:31,720
you know, obviously this you know people have some bigfoot

1926
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:34,479
close to they they're not you know, they don't look

1927
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,520
like a man a massive you know, but you know

1928
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,479
there is Melbourne Ketchen, wasn't it. I mean the basis

1929
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:49,840
or people just corrupted DNA. Yeah, she believed that part

1930
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,600
of it came from I can't remember which way around,

1931
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,479
but the male was human and the female was a

1932
01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:00,640
big four vice birds, so I think. But that's her theory.

1933
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,319
I mean, she's one of the people who analyzed the

1934
01:45:02,399 --> 01:45:06,279
DNA of bodies in you know, the Twin Towers and

1935
01:45:06,359 --> 01:45:10,760
nine to eleven. But Professor Bryan Sykes says, there's you know,

1936
01:45:11,159 --> 01:45:14,079
the geneticist used to know before he died, so there's

1937
01:45:14,119 --> 01:45:17,760
a real risk of contamination. And then another guide pioneered

1938
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,039
this d N a washing thing which when they get

1939
01:45:20,279 --> 01:45:24,640
sample they have to wash off contaminated DNA and exactly,

1940
01:45:25,039 --> 01:45:28,920
but it's very very high risk, you know, of getting contamination,

1941
01:45:29,279 --> 01:45:31,279
so it's difficult.

1942
01:45:31,399 --> 01:45:37,359
Speaker 3: Well yeah, there was a there is a sorry, okay,

1943
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,760
there are there are stories that they appear all the

1944
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:45,079
time about about a human hybrids hybridization. In fact, there

1945
01:45:45,079 --> 01:45:47,479
was even there's even been experiments done, especially in the

1946
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:50,479
Soviet Union, of an attempt to hybridize a human and

1947
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,319
the eight there's a legend of one that was done

1948
01:45:52,319 --> 01:45:55,319
in the United States once, but it was kept quiet

1949
01:45:55,359 --> 01:45:58,319
and there was a baby that was apparently then put

1950
01:45:58,359 --> 01:46:04,039
to sleep. Although it's it appears that some animals can hybridize.

1951
01:46:04,039 --> 01:46:07,399
When that donkeys and horses can hybridize, we know that

1952
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,439
sheep and goats can hybridize. They can then could produce offspring.

1953
01:46:12,039 --> 01:46:15,159
There there's I don't think I think there's some specific

1954
01:46:15,159 --> 01:46:18,319
reason why humans can't with other great apes. It's something

1955
01:46:18,359 --> 01:46:20,760
to do with our chromosome number or something that we

1956
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,920
can't actually hybridize, because there's been attempts to do it

1957
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:27,199
in scientific circumstances. There's legends in every country where we

1958
01:46:27,239 --> 01:46:30,840
live alongside these beings that some occasionally we get together

1959
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,800
with them for saucy romps and create little half babies,

1960
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:39,079
little babies and things like that. There's no evidence of that.

1961
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:42,199
There's no evidence that happens.

1962
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,680
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I'll just have to tell you this funny

1963
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,600
story as we're talking about apes and gins and gorillas

1964
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:52,720
and things. Now, about twenty ten and something like that.

1965
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,359
I was invited to this wedding.

1966
01:46:57,159 --> 01:46:58,239
Speaker 3: No, was it a wedding.

1967
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,520
Speaker 2: I met some people. No, I met some people. That's right.

1968
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:06,600
I met some people at an event, and my friend

1969
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,760
that was with me had met them initially at a wedding.

1970
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,560
So that's where the wedding thing comes in. So it's

1971
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:12,479
nothing to do with the wedding on this partif occasion.

1972
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:15,079
But I was chatting to them and the husband said

1973
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:17,560
that his wife that was there, She wasn't actually telling

1974
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,079
me this, but husband related me the story. Said his

1975
01:47:20,199 --> 01:47:25,279
wife and her father was the original commercial TV director

1976
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:29,760
that directed the PG tips Chimpanzee adverts.

1977
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:31,319
Speaker 8: Get in the hang of It?

1978
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 10: Minda Banister's son, We do, Marie san I shifted more

1979
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:36,359
piano than.

1980
01:47:36,399 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 8: About mister shif Latelyfreshman, Thank you.

1981
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 2: Most kindly, madam.

1982
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 3: One way shifting it.

1983
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,039
Speaker 14: When a good cup of tea really counts, you're right

1984
01:47:49,079 --> 01:47:50,680
to drink brook b on PG tips.

1985
01:47:51,079 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 4: It's the tea can really taste died.

1986
01:47:54,840 --> 01:48:00,399
Speaker 2: Do you know the piano's on my foot.

1987
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,159
Speaker 4: Where you got the PG tips pretty mum used to

1988
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:07,399
some size look after them because he twice cross too,

1989
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:10,279
and the keeper was away look after them and he

1990
01:48:10,319 --> 01:48:12,680
said there's an adult. They just rip your arm off.

1991
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but you know when when when the adverts

1992
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,640
became really popular in the UK and the director this

1993
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:24,720
lady's father used to direct about five or six of

1994
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:27,560
them where you've got the chimps drinking the tea and

1995
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,760
pushing the piano and that kind of stuff, you know,

1996
01:48:30,119 --> 01:48:32,439
and they're saying you hummett son, I'll play it all

1997
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:34,760
that kind of stuff, and they became very popular. Well,

1998
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,359
the story when that Thedas related to me said that

1999
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:42,560
this lady's father received a phone call from a German

2000
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:46,640
TV company who had seen the British TV adverts the

2001
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:51,199
PG tips chimpanzees, and he said, we really love these

2002
01:48:51,239 --> 01:48:54,600
adverts with the chimpanzee is drinking the tea and talking.

2003
01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:59,760
Would you remake them for the German television commercial market?

2004
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:02,640
But could you do one thing? Could could you teach

2005
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:04,640
the chimpanzees to speak German?

2006
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 4: This guy actually speaking.

2007
01:49:13,399 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 2: It's hilarious when you talk about having verbs or adjectives.

2008
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:20,720
They reminded me of that, so I thought, oh, yeah,

2009
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:25,800
I still really speaking. Yeah, this is last.

2010
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 3: There was a really called Denise Hearsing. Incidentally, she's trying

2011
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:32,640
to learn the dolphins language and she's she she she can't,

2012
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,000
she doesn't has any success, but she has worked out.

2013
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,000
Apparently dolphins in different part of the world speak different

2014
01:49:38,039 --> 01:49:41,119
languages the way way the way we humans do, perhaps,

2015
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,600
so her worst continuing and she's she's, she's like spends

2016
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,520
a lot of time, like right, recording them and trying

2017
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,319
to decode them and even trying to have conversations and

2018
01:49:54,399 --> 01:49:54,920
things like that.

2019
01:49:55,239 --> 01:49:58,319
Speaker 4: They're amazing animals. I did my dissertation on dolphin behavior

2020
01:49:58,359 --> 01:50:00,920
for my first degree, and I've swum will dolphins and

2021
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:07,720
they are quite amazing things. The dingle dolphin with my partners, Yeah,

2022
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,960
we've started and we part the car on the beach

2023
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,800
and we thought, oh, there's grass growing on the beach.

2024
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:13,279
Speaker 2: Was fine.

2025
01:50:13,279 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 4: We did really the highest tide of the year. The

2026
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,920
dolphin coming over to us. We were around the corner

2027
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,279
from the car coming up, just doing this amazing leap

2028
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,720
and then going the way and looking at us as

2029
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:30,279
if to say, you've got to come around the corner cart.

2030
01:50:33,319 --> 01:50:36,279
You know she can't thinking that level, but a double

2031
01:50:36,359 --> 01:50:44,319
backfliff means your car's thinkinguid idiot, definitely trying to show

2032
01:50:44,399 --> 01:50:47,199
us it's really funny. It kept like coming backwards and

2033
01:50:47,239 --> 01:50:48,319
then forward.

2034
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:49,600
Speaker 2: Which again.

2035
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 3: Dolphins to start selling PG tips in future. That's anything

2036
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,079
it's funny will come out for the tourists. It's in

2037
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:02,760
count This is in County Kerry on the far south

2038
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,439
west of Ireland and he's been there for years and

2039
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,680
of course people feed him. They always bring things to

2040
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:10,479
feed him with, so he's not going to go anywhere

2041
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:11,880
as long as people keep feeding him.

2042
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:16,359
Speaker 4: The original ones died. They think that they see some

2043
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:20,680
songy mark too another dolphin. Yeah, rich role and it

2044
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:23,560
was very bizarre and they were even accused of bringing

2045
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:25,439
another one in, but it wasn't. It was just a

2046
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:28,239
whild one and probably said the other one getting attention

2047
01:51:28,359 --> 01:51:30,760
and then took over. Yeah about it.

2048
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 3: There's probably more than one all the long.

2049
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 2: I think it's quite yeah my well opinion.

2050
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was quite a large one. I remember it

2051
01:51:37,039 --> 01:51:39,239
kept flying over the head and missed me by inches

2052
01:51:39,319 --> 01:51:40,840
on the size of a horse.

2053
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:41,520
Speaker 3: It was fun.

2054
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,920
Speaker 4: It was pretty The ones that Dolph know and are

2055
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:46,239
quite stunted. This was the full grown and it was

2056
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:47,560
not small.

2057
01:51:48,279 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean there's there was Flipper. I remember

2058
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,920
Flipper from the TV series back in the sixties and seventies.

2059
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:59,880
I always was under the impression of dolphins saved people from

2060
01:52:00,039 --> 01:52:03,119
sharks because in Flip a dolphin the dog with regard

2061
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:06,119
and batter sharks in the stomach or something.

2062
01:52:06,359 --> 01:52:09,239
Speaker 4: A big whale wasn't that the save research for a

2063
01:52:09,319 --> 01:52:12,640
world back. She the whale literally kept pushing her and

2064
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:14,800
she thought, what's it pushing before? And then she realized

2065
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:19,319
that I think it was great white nearby right video

2066
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:22,399
is this and basically she wouldn't have it kept pushing

2067
01:52:22,399 --> 01:52:24,199
her with its bin, and then she realized that it

2068
01:52:24,279 --> 01:52:25,279
was trying to save her ill.

2069
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,399
Speaker 3: Wow, this is this is why you know, kindness to

2070
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:31,880
animals has to be one of the cornerstones of civilization.

2071
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,399
In my view, we we humans if we if we

2072
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:37,359
don't know, if we're not kind to animals, then we

2073
01:52:37,399 --> 01:52:42,479
can't call ourselves at a civilized species because we especially

2074
01:52:43,039 --> 01:52:45,520
because we don't know, we especially animals, we don't know.

2075
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,640
We don't know anything about them. Sometimes we learn they're

2076
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:50,239
very very intelligent, but we still treat them like dirt,

2077
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:53,119
still put them in tanks and cages and and kill

2078
01:52:53,159 --> 01:52:57,359
them and things like this. So there's I think that

2079
01:52:57,479 --> 01:53:02,079
the Bigfoot issue has I think a lot of ethic

2080
01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:05,720
is the ethical issues associated with it, and I think

2081
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,520
this is going to become more apparent as we gather

2082
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:10,119
more evidence about its behavior.

2083
01:53:11,279 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 2: When you went to Australia, Ben, did you hear anything

2084
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,720
of the Australian Bigfoot when he was out there?

2085
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,159
Speaker 3: The Yaowie? No? I didn't. I'm to be honest. I

2086
01:53:19,159 --> 01:53:21,319
had less of an interesting there. This was in two thousands.

2087
01:53:21,359 --> 01:53:22,840
I went there. I had less of interesting than I

2088
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:24,319
do now. I had a vague interest. I mean I

2089
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:29,479
read a couple of books I have had. I've always

2090
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:30,920
had a kind of interest in this sort of thing.

2091
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,680
But there is there is a big full night creature called, yeah,

2092
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,680
the Yowie, and there's a guy called Gary Opitt who's

2093
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,680
been researching it, along with things like mermaids and other

2094
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,560
weird creatures that live around the coast of Australia and

2095
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:45,680
live on the continents of Australia. It goes it's The

2096
01:53:46,319 --> 01:53:51,239
stories date back to Aboriginal times and it's not unlike

2097
01:53:51,279 --> 01:53:54,239
the American Bigfoot is similar in appearance.

2098
01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:54,680
Speaker 2: I think it's.

2099
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 3: Slightly smaller, but it's people's sightings continue to this day.

2100
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 2: I saw a guy at Dorset Earth Mysteries back in

2101
01:54:04,119 --> 01:54:08,920
February called Richard Hotly. I think his name is Hunty

2102
01:54:09,079 --> 01:54:13,479
Hotly Early. I can't remember his surname, forgive me. But

2103
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:17,039
he did a really good album presentation on bigfoot and

2104
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:20,319
he covered briefly the hour and he had a photograph

2105
01:54:20,399 --> 01:54:23,840
of one. They're being caught on a security camera or something,

2106
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:26,760
and you could clearly see it had a toe that

2107
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:28,760
came out rather like a hand, So it was more

2108
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:32,039
like a sort of a chimp's kind of foot, you

2109
01:54:32,119 --> 01:54:36,000
feel like, rather than the straightforward bigfoot that we're used

2110
01:54:36,039 --> 01:54:38,279
to in the Pacific Northwest or something.

2111
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe a semi arboreal maybe climbed trees occasionally. Yeah, yeah,

2112
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:44,760
a good resource for anything.

2113
01:54:45,239 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 2: Then the thumbs down really no ah.

2114
01:54:49,319 --> 01:54:51,239
Speaker 4: A lot of people have seen them say that. I

2115
01:54:51,319 --> 01:54:53,239
wasn't looking at the hands, but I know people send them.

2116
01:54:53,319 --> 01:54:57,640
Sent the thumbs a lot lower than I. Bigfoot climb

2117
01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:58,479
trees as well, and.

2118
01:55:00,079 --> 01:55:01,439
Speaker 3: Source of the sort of thing, and they're not paying me

2119
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:04,159
to advertise or anything like that. It's next Nexus magazine

2120
01:55:04,359 --> 01:55:06,680
for the weird things in Australia. It's an Australian based

2121
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:09,159
magazine that covers this sort of thing. I mean great

2122
01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:12,359
detail and I very much recommend it. That's that's just

2123
01:55:12,359 --> 01:55:14,279
my personal opinion. Mm hmm.

2124
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 2: There were all sort of things with big foot eat

2125
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:19,359
then to survive out in the worlds of the Northwest

2126
01:55:19,439 --> 01:55:20,479
and Canada.

2127
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:27,159
Speaker 4: It's omnivore. They it's often as good way of seeing.

2128
01:55:27,479 --> 01:55:30,920
It's in the autumn when you've got the berries because

2129
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,800
I have the backs the people, so that there's a

2130
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:39,319
lot of signs there. And they also eat. There's often

2131
01:55:39,399 --> 01:55:42,560
clams have stacked they think a big foot sale bell

2132
01:55:43,079 --> 01:55:49,439
those going water after food. They often kill pigs a

2133
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:51,920
deal that they find them with their legs ripped off

2134
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:55,319
with a beer ripped off with their hands, rather than

2135
01:55:55,359 --> 01:56:00,159
the bear scratched with a poor there's some little so

2136
01:56:00,199 --> 01:56:02,760
that the hold the way. They basically grabbed the top

2137
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:04,600
of the head of the bottom and they rip bead

2138
01:56:05,279 --> 01:56:08,319
in two. There's a lot of bears wouldn't be able

2139
01:56:08,319 --> 01:56:12,279
to do that. So there's yeah, and also bark. They

2140
01:56:12,279 --> 01:56:15,960
find bark stripped off that's been done with massive, big hands,

2141
01:56:16,279 --> 01:56:18,760
and sometimes it's really high up, so the human definitely

2142
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:22,000
wouldn't have done it. There's bears. You can see the

2143
01:56:22,039 --> 01:56:25,079
claus Go was a picture. It's like you know, stripped

2144
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:32,119
click fingers. Yeah, so they eat lots of different things.

2145
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,000
Speaker 3: You know.

2146
01:56:33,319 --> 01:56:36,279
Speaker 2: I saw this when this garage. To do his presentation,

2147
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:40,960
he showed some trees that they believe for Bigfoot kind

2148
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,920
of marker points I think where they live a tree

2149
01:56:45,159 --> 01:56:47,760
and they'll take it and stick it upside down.

2150
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, was Chimped do that something similar? They'll

2151
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:58,439
do things were stick supposedly Chimped so and I'm not sure.

2152
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:02,359
I mean, thrillers do amazing. I thought it was done

2153
01:57:02,359 --> 01:57:04,720
by ying and they see wing being thing of the

2154
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:07,800
nest and it looks like your basket and yet it's

2155
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:10,840
actually just the undergrowth. I walked through one of them,

2156
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:11,800
and they're just amazing.

2157
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:12,039
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2158
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:16,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So this this guy, Richard was talking about

2159
01:57:16,199 --> 01:57:18,800
the fact that they found similar kind of nests and

2160
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:22,000
what they think if I call it correckly, he said

2161
01:57:22,039 --> 01:57:24,840
that this would be the lookout nest, if you like,

2162
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,079
of one of the big Foot to look out for

2163
01:57:27,159 --> 01:57:30,159
trouble and he's like the sentry for maybe the rest

2164
01:57:30,199 --> 01:57:34,000
of them that are out somewhere in the woods somewhere, Yeah,

2165
01:57:34,039 --> 01:57:36,039
and that's his base for the night or something.

2166
01:57:36,119 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 4: I've seen one. I've seen what we think was one,

2167
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:43,279
and you could tell the it's not Heather. It was

2168
01:57:43,359 --> 01:57:45,560
some sort of it's American plans on the way it was,

2169
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:48,159
but it was a bit like Heather, like you rye

2170
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,399
primitive heads on it, like you had that, and you

2171
01:57:51,439 --> 01:57:54,359
could see where something in the weird hands have taken

2172
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:57,800
the bits and it was all in a big pile.

2173
01:57:59,359 --> 01:58:03,199
That was quite interesting. That definitely looked like something had

2174
01:58:03,279 --> 01:58:07,079
made an nest with hands, and yeah.

2175
01:58:08,439 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's obviously not like it's it's going to

2176
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:19,319
be something specifically to a particular creature that has that dexterity, you.

2177
01:58:19,279 --> 01:58:22,920
Speaker 4: Know, tops off jars of the bits. But raccoons can

2178
01:58:23,039 --> 01:58:27,239
do that as well, and raccoons can a big futs

2179
01:58:27,279 --> 01:58:29,479
are sometimes accused of. There's also a weird thing my

2180
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:33,359
friend shaken me a picture of that. They find these mice,

2181
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:37,720
dead mice, but they're wrapped up in aneath, almost like wrapping,

2182
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:42,479
and they're all tucked under and they reckon. That's big futs.

2183
01:58:42,479 --> 01:58:45,520
So it's like it's a snack relating, you know, wow,

2184
01:58:46,079 --> 01:58:49,560
the link and it's really intricately done, looks like weaving

2185
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:51,680
and it's all tucked under.

2186
01:58:51,520 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 7: And you know it's before day. So the other is

2187
01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,920
that we can not cover the story of Albert Astman,

2188
01:59:04,439 --> 01:59:10,680
who was the gold prospector from ninety.

2189
01:59:10,319 --> 01:59:12,359
Speaker 2: Did you you know the story well to the to

2190
01:59:12,399 --> 01:59:12,800
reach ou.

2191
01:59:13,159 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 4: He was in a sleeping bag and something suddenly grabbed

2192
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:21,880
him and threw him over his shoulder and you know,

2193
01:59:22,119 --> 01:59:24,600
basically I don't know how he did it. They managed

2194
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:26,000
to see it was a big fund and then it threw

2195
01:59:26,039 --> 01:59:29,199
him at a cab and it's theory was that they

2196
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:33,880
they wanted him from make for the female and he

2197
01:59:34,039 --> 01:59:38,239
managed he managed to get away by throwing I think

2198
01:59:38,319 --> 01:59:40,199
snuff at its face studdenly or something.

2199
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:42,039
Speaker 2: It was joking and.

2200
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 4: He managed to leg it. But yeah, yeah, an interesting

2201
01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:51,359
one as well, told by Roosevelt as the American President.

2202
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:57,239
And they were one of them said he go off

2203
01:59:57,239 --> 01:59:59,359
and get the last of the traps, and he came

2204
01:59:59,399 --> 02:00:01,960
back the other way had his neck broken, and they'd

2205
02:00:02,039 --> 02:00:04,960
seen the big footprints and they'd heard the sound and

2206
02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:09,399
them and something had breaking his neck, so they reckon.

2207
02:00:09,439 --> 02:00:11,319
That was a big fun and that was both quite

2208
02:00:11,359 --> 02:00:13,600
reliable report, you know.

2209
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:18,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But the album Austin's Story, it was the

2210
02:00:18,439 --> 02:00:21,680
a Couver I think, and he was about like in

2211
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:24,520
his sixties when he came forward with his story, because

2212
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:26,600
he was only like early twenties or something at the

2213
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:29,359
time when this happened to it. The recent he came

2214
02:00:29,359 --> 02:00:32,600
forward is I think in the late fifties he started

2215
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:35,720
to see reports appearing in like Life magazine or something

2216
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:39,520
about new reports of loggers encountering large footprints in the

2217
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:41,800
words and things, and he thought, I'm going to tell

2218
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:45,199
my story. Now is the time. And he gave reports

2219
02:00:45,239 --> 02:00:47,079
even to like a sheriff who said, this is the

2220
02:00:47,079 --> 02:00:50,039
most honest report down to worth guy I've ever met.

2221
02:00:50,279 --> 02:00:53,079
And he's telling me as honest as the day, is

2222
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:55,760
the truth, and he's I think he even went a

2223
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:59,600
light detective machine for what it's worth. But yeah, he

2224
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:02,960
was out. He was I think he was taken by

2225
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:09,399
a Native American, uh, you know, Canadian First Nations person.

2226
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:11,600
I think as a as a guy. But it only

2227
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:13,560
take him so far and he sort of said watch

2228
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:14,920
out for the big man in the woods and he

2229
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:17,079
kind of last, not really know what he was talking.

2230
02:01:18,039 --> 02:01:20,479
And for the first four nights he had his little

2231
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,479
camp and he kept thinking raccoons and that was stealing

2232
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:26,600
his stuff, and he knew something was watching him and

2233
02:01:26,640 --> 02:01:28,680
taking his stuff. It wasn't until the fourth night he

2234
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:31,800
suddenly said he found himself hauled over the shoulder of

2235
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:33,960
something big and he fell into the bottom of his

2236
02:01:34,079 --> 02:01:36,920
beeping bag. I think because he had all his stuff

2237
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:39,479
with him, he managed to carry it with him. And

2238
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:42,800
they them a.

2239
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:45,760
Speaker 4: Lot of people do they, yeah, eating back, that's quite

2240
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:46,520
normal now.

2241
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he said that he was in the estimated

2242
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:51,800
he was in this sleeping bag for about four hours

2243
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:54,640
being bumped and go from miles a mile and he

2244
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:59,960
was taken to this enclosure somewhere. And it's only as

2245
02:02:00,079 --> 02:02:03,000
the day started to play he could hear the breathing

2246
02:02:03,079 --> 02:02:04,840
of this creature, but he wasn't sure what it was.

2247
02:02:05,319 --> 02:02:07,239
It's only as the dawns started to come up and

2248
02:02:07,319 --> 02:02:10,880
it started to get like he realized he was amongst these.

2249
02:02:12,039 --> 02:02:13,760
I mean, he probably wouldn't have called them big foot

2250
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:16,239
at the time, but big hairy people. And there was

2251
02:02:16,279 --> 02:02:18,920
like two a mother and father, and like there was

2252
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:21,640
a daughter and a son who were sort of teenagers

2253
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:24,279
and and he said that they kept in them for

2254
02:02:24,319 --> 02:02:27,920
like six days or something. Trapped. They wouldn't let him escape,

2255
02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:30,960
so he would kind of he tried speaking to them.

2256
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:32,720
He'd say, what do you fellas want with me? But

2257
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:34,920
they just grunted and made they kind of talked their

2258
02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:36,279
own language or something.

2259
02:02:36,399 --> 02:02:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's the Sierra sound. My friends actually

2260
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:41,560
heard that. He's had it thing whacked on the side

2261
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:43,479
of his truck and he heard them, and he said

2262
02:02:43,479 --> 02:02:46,319
that they really really is real. They do. Wow, there

2263
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,279
is like a primative and you listen to the recordings

2264
02:02:49,319 --> 02:02:53,119
of it on more heads done, and it sounds like

2265
02:02:53,279 --> 02:02:56,840
some primitive exactly what he'd expect a primative a month

2266
02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:00,119
and be doing. Yeah, sounds and they had picked can

2267
02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:02,720
analyze it, and I say, it's definitely in between you

2268
02:03:03,079 --> 02:03:03,760
and eight.

2269
02:03:04,399 --> 02:03:09,880
Speaker 3: Wowful ladies had that. In his documentary, he featured the

2270
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:13,079
Sierra sounds I remember, but he didn't make any conclusion

2271
02:03:13,079 --> 02:03:14,920
about what caused them. But he did include them in

2272
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:19,600
his documentary about the hunters. It's just because it showed,

2273
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:22,520
I mean, we if you want to go looking for

2274
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:27,319
these bigfoot people are bigfoot creatures, whatever they are, you've

2275
02:03:27,319 --> 02:03:29,479
got to be cautious because they can be aggressive, and

2276
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:32,600
especially in Alaska where the nanty Arch in particular seems

2277
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:35,600
to have evolved some very very hostile behavior even though

2278
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:38,640
it's it seems to be physically very similar to the

2279
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:41,119
other bigfoot, but.

2280
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:44,239
Speaker 4: They seem to get bigger the high, the colder you go,

2281
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:46,960
which is consistent with real animals. Could you look at

2282
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:50,960
your signs of polar bears, it's like, remember the scientific principle,

2283
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:54,279
but it's like helping them retain east. That's why polar

2284
02:03:54,279 --> 02:04:00,960
bears so massive American you know, yeah, so it's I

2285
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:04,800
mean the Florida the scumcakes relatively small about you know,

2286
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:08,199
shy foot size of a person, whereas there some of

2287
02:04:08,199 --> 02:04:12,399
the Alaskan ones and you know Canadian one there. You know,

2288
02:04:12,479 --> 02:04:16,159
you get reports of twelve foot as it is consistent

2289
02:04:16,439 --> 02:04:20,039
with what you'd expect. The culvert gets the biggie need

2290
02:04:20,119 --> 02:04:20,279
to be.

2291
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:22,960
Speaker 3: So there's an entire town in Alaska that has to

2292
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:26,920
be abandoned, and there's there's also stories about why that happened,

2293
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:30,319
because it's quite a successful like fishing village. Some people

2294
02:04:30,359 --> 02:04:31,159
say it's because of the.

2295
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:35,840
Speaker 4: People kept being bound with their next broaden, didn't they.

2296
02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:38,840
Speaker 3: There's a really good it's a story of documentary is

2297
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:41,039
like a home video really that has been produced as

2298
02:04:41,079 --> 02:04:43,479
a documentary. As some people who go and visit port

2299
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:46,920
Lock it's quite exciting and they go back to port

2300
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:48,279
Lot to check it out.

2301
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:49,199
Speaker 14: Wow.

2302
02:04:49,479 --> 02:04:56,600
Speaker 2: Wow. So getting back to Gimbling Bob is it Bob Gimblin. Yeah,

2303
02:04:56,720 --> 02:04:58,640
So for those that need to know this.

2304
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 4: The Gimblin g I M L I M.

2305
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2306
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:07,880
Speaker 4: And there's another guy called Bob Gimblin. He does things

2307
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:12,600
about why yeah, it was a different spelling. Yeah, I

2308
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:13,520
can't remember spelling.

2309
02:05:14,319 --> 02:05:18,319
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So for those that need to know the story,

2310
02:05:18,359 --> 02:05:20,560
this is a film taken in Bluff Creek. In was

2311
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:22,479
in northern California. And you've been.

2312
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:28,159
Speaker 4: It's northern California. Yeah, it's basically. Yeah, there's actually a

2313
02:05:28,199 --> 02:05:30,640
place called Bellen Stand next to the sign. It's quite

2314
02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:35,439
a big area and yeah, northern California.

2315
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:38,920
Speaker 2: And they had gone there searching for Bigfoot because he

2316
02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:43,359
had become a bit of a fan of Bigfoot footprints.

2317
02:05:43,439 --> 02:05:47,199
Roger Patterson, and he had hired a Sinney camera Codak

2318
02:05:47,279 --> 02:05:49,319
Syney camera and I think they were out there for

2319
02:05:49,359 --> 02:05:53,399
four days, initially looking for bigfoot footprints, and they were

2320
02:05:53,479 --> 02:05:56,840
walking down this this dried up creek riverbed with their

2321
02:05:56,920 --> 02:06:00,239
horses when they came around the corner and one of

2322
02:06:00,279 --> 02:06:03,520
the horses started to rear in fright or something, and

2323
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:06,640
that was the clue that they were literally right on

2324
02:06:07,239 --> 02:06:09,560
the doorstep of a big foot who happened to be down,

2325
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:12,119
presumably drinking some water. But it was crouching down when

2326
02:06:12,119 --> 02:06:16,960
they first saw it. And I think because Roger Patterson's

2327
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:18,640
horse reared up, he sort of fell off his horse

2328
02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:21,479
but managed to land okay. He managed to get the

2329
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:23,760
Sinney camera out of a bag or something on the

2330
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:28,239
side of the horse, and he said to Bob Gimmlin,

2331
02:06:28,439 --> 02:06:32,159
cover me with your room in case something happens, and

2332
02:06:32,319 --> 02:06:34,279
so he did cover him, and he watched him, and

2333
02:06:34,319 --> 02:06:36,720
he said he'd fallen over originally when he's trying to

2334
02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:39,720
film this thing, and he obviously noticed them, and it

2335
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:42,399
just got up and started to walk away, but then

2336
02:06:42,439 --> 02:06:44,920
it gave the classic look back at them over its

2337
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:48,600
shoulder as it walked away, and I remember I don't

2338
02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:50,680
know which person said it out the two, but one

2339
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:53,920
of them said it gave a look of utter disgust

2340
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:58,079
at them. That's the way they perceived that look. And

2341
02:06:58,199 --> 02:07:02,359
since that film has been analyzed, the there's a mark

2342
02:07:02,479 --> 02:07:05,680
you see it on the thigh of Patty as she's

2343
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:09,119
walking away. It's like a black, long mark. And yeah,

2344
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,640
they say that that is where they know it's not

2345
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:16,760
a soup because it's where the fur has been worn

2346
02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:19,720
down as the handkeeps moving past.

2347
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:24,039
Speaker 4: It, which is normal for this sort of animal. Yeah, yeah,

2348
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:27,159
some animals with long arms. They do that, and I

2349
02:07:27,239 --> 02:07:29,479
think there's all saying. They say, you can see a

2350
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:32,880
rupture tendon on a leg as well, which isn't something's face,

2351
02:07:33,079 --> 02:07:33,239
you know.

2352
02:07:33,359 --> 02:07:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and they you you can see the toes

2353
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:39,560
bending up as it's about to take its step into

2354
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:42,520
the thing. That's so that's something you'd never ever be

2355
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:46,399
able to do in a sup And around that time

2356
02:07:46,479 --> 02:07:48,439
they were making the Planet of the Eighth films. I

2357
02:07:48,479 --> 02:07:50,640
think the first Planet the X film was released a

2358
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:53,560
year later in nineteen sixty eight, so it's literally in

2359
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:57,079
nineteen sixty seven they were in production for that, yeah movie,

2360
02:07:57,560 --> 02:08:02,319
and the special effects makeup expert was guy called John Chambers,

2361
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:06,800
and he had obviously been practicing and trying to tried

2362
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:08,399
all sorts of things to try and get the look

2363
02:08:08,520 --> 02:08:11,760
of the planet. He apes correct various makeup tests, and

2364
02:08:11,880 --> 02:08:14,760
they tried various masks and things, and eventually they settled

2365
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:17,920
on this idea of individual appliances that have been stuck

2366
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:20,279
on their faces and they get a number of expressions.

2367
02:08:21,039 --> 02:08:24,880
And I believe that some years later when he has

2368
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:27,439
retired and in a nursing home, because I don't think

2369
02:08:27,479 --> 02:08:30,520
he would have said this professionally whilst he was an

2370
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:35,359
employment and this lady apparently disguised herself as a nursing

2371
02:08:35,479 --> 02:08:38,840
home nurse to get this statement from him. She went

2372
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:42,319
in undercover and got a statement. She started talking to

2373
02:08:42,479 --> 02:08:46,359
pretending she worked at this nursing Home's that's as I

2374
02:08:46,439 --> 02:08:48,439
understand it. And she started talking and I think she

2375
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:51,600
may have even secretly recorded, I'm not sure, but that

2376
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:54,079
she started to ask him about this Patty film and

2377
02:08:54,159 --> 02:08:56,359
what did you think of it? She says, do you

2378
02:08:56,479 --> 02:08:59,399
think you could do this kind of makeup on something

2379
02:08:59,479 --> 02:09:01,960
like that? And he allegedly said to her, and of

2380
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:04,560
course he thought was just a nurse. He didn't think

2381
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:07,199
she was a report or anything like that. He said, oh,

2382
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:08,880
I'm good, but I'm.

2383
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:10,079
Speaker 3: Not that good.

2384
02:09:10,239 --> 02:09:13,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's amazing that I just showed that. And Bil

2385
02:09:13,800 --> 02:09:20,119
Mounts the same, Bill Mons who did Uh, I think

2386
02:09:20,159 --> 02:09:22,920
the thing they did it's the Predator Bill months as well,

2387
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:25,960
but he did. He did Harry and Harry and Henderson's

2388
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:29,640
and he was asked to give his opinion on the

2389
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:32,239
Pattic build in terms of what it costume. And he's

2390
02:09:32,279 --> 02:09:34,359
now a big far So that says it all. It

2391
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:39,000
so a bit after being asked to analyze Patty's film.

2392
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:40,960
He said that is a real animal.

2393
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:41,760
Speaker 3: That is wow.

2394
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:44,800
Speaker 4: And he's now a big fire. He gives talk.

2395
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 2: I saw it was Rick Baker being in the big

2396
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:55,279
Foot film and the Henderson's always thought that was Rick

2397
02:09:55,359 --> 02:09:57,640
Baker who did the costume for King Coin.

2398
02:09:58,319 --> 02:09:58,560
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2399
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,399
Speaker 4: I don't know if I feel Mum's had something to

2400
02:10:01,479 --> 02:10:04,840
do with with Harry and Andy's out, but I remember

2401
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:06,960
I think they might have. Yeah, it might have been

2402
02:10:07,039 --> 02:10:09,640
the move and then we had something to do with it.

2403
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:12,319
Speaker 2: There's probably a number of people that are, you know,

2404
02:10:13,079 --> 02:10:19,359
working on the the suit to make it work. Yeah, yeah,

2405
02:10:19,399 --> 02:10:21,319
because they have to do all the muscle twitches and

2406
02:10:21,359 --> 02:10:23,800
that's probably done with cables. People out a shot, you know,

2407
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:27,439
and the in the in the Patty film, you just

2408
02:10:27,479 --> 02:10:30,960
see one person or creature walking along, muscles flexing as

2409
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:34,079
you say, the toes moving. There's no one else's side.

2410
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:34,640
Speaker 12: Now.

2411
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 2: The other thing, I haven't looked into this deeply, but

2412
02:10:37,039 --> 02:10:39,560
I've heard kind of bits and pieces and I've got

2413
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:41,720
to watch a few more YouTube videas to get some

2414
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:45,720
insight into this. But maybe you might know that there's

2415
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:48,520
talk or something a bit big for massacre in that

2416
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:50,359
area or something, do you know, think about them.

2417
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:56,439
Speaker 4: I mean I've seen that interpretations of it and it's

2418
02:10:56,560 --> 02:10:59,720
just laughaball. You know, they're looking at little bits of

2419
02:11:00,279 --> 02:11:02,640
you know, because they obviously the film digitized, now is

2420
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:05,279
it going to get and they're trying to interpret things

2421
02:11:05,319 --> 02:11:07,640
and now I seems to laughable because.

2422
02:11:08,119 --> 02:11:11,680
Speaker 2: Because there's someone that says Bob about.

2423
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:14,880
Speaker 4: There's treated that you know, just oh god, you know right,

2424
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:17,119
I mean, it's just laughable.

2425
02:11:17,880 --> 02:11:19,640
Speaker 2: There's no other big Foots in the area.

2426
02:11:20,199 --> 02:11:21,560
Speaker 3: That's a good and that's a good news. And I

2427
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:22,680
wouldn't want that to be real.

2428
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:25,079
Speaker 4: No, I mean, it could well have been other big

2429
02:11:25,159 --> 02:11:28,520
Foots because that typical thing the big Foot will do,

2430
02:11:29,239 --> 02:11:32,000
it will make itself seen to divert your away from

2431
02:11:32,039 --> 02:11:35,359
the young ya. So they say, there's been a lot

2432
02:11:35,399 --> 02:11:37,880
of accounts that where they realize they're young ones and

2433
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:41,920
they'll get themselves. So you look at them and while

2434
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:45,359
you're turning away, they grab the younger. They get the

2435
02:11:45,479 --> 02:11:48,359
younger out of the way, so they reckon. Sometimes I

2436
02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:51,399
purposely make sure they're seeing so you can get that

2437
02:11:51,560 --> 02:11:54,560
could be well, there's one theory what was happening that

2438
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:56,560
she wanted to be seen because she was trying to

2439
02:11:56,600 --> 02:11:58,239
get no way from a young.

2440
02:12:00,119 --> 02:12:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you're going to massacre them,

2441
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:08,479
surely someone would have brought forth a body. I mean,

2442
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:12,159
apart from this guy Frank Hanson who did the Minnesota

2443
02:12:12,239 --> 02:12:14,039
rised balet As, he was involved in it as well,

2444
02:12:15,800 --> 02:12:18,119
but he was a different part of the country. But

2445
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:21,039
I mean that there appears to be frames where someone's

2446
02:12:21,039 --> 02:12:24,119
analyzed it and believes there's another bigfoot sighted in the

2447
02:12:24,239 --> 02:12:26,479
trees or something like that, and he could just be

2448
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:33,039
but I don't know. But certainly the bigfoot, the Patty one,

2449
02:12:33,159 --> 02:12:36,279
is the clearest one we've got, and even today people

2450
02:12:36,359 --> 02:12:38,479
are debating whether it's real or not. And you're thinking,

2451
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:42,119
if that was fake. It would have been found out

2452
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:44,880
years ago, wouldn't it. I mean, I've watched all.

2453
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:47,479
Speaker 4: The analyzes of it. I've spoken to Gimlin. I was beect.

2454
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:51,000
I one hundred percent think that's a real thing. That

2455
02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:54,520
he's very similar to what I saw. The ones I

2456
02:12:54,720 --> 02:12:58,840
saw were males. My friend said they were a lot

2457
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:01,720
more athletic, but she's a female and she's can't pick

2458
02:13:01,720 --> 02:13:04,119
a hit. It's going to be a little more chunky,

2459
02:13:04,279 --> 02:13:08,800
you know. So yeah, yeah, they're very, very similar for

2460
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:09,399
what I saw.

2461
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:12,760
Speaker 2: And Gimnen suffered a lot in his personal life over this,

2462
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:13,279
didn't he.

2463
02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean initially they got so sick of the

2464
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:25,199
ridicule that he sold the film where are hardly anything

2465
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:31,119
literally you know, tiny amount to the widow of them

2466
02:13:31,239 --> 02:13:34,840
ready down, hit done, because you know, they sort of

2467
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:38,399
already had tried really hard to find big Foot, got

2468
02:13:38,479 --> 02:13:40,960
really angry and disillusion near the end, so he just

2469
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:44,079
sell it to him and he didn't want them to

2470
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:47,439
do with it. And it wasn't it said until people started,

2471
02:13:48,479 --> 02:13:51,399
you know, these programs like Finding big Foot and a

2472
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:55,279
people started taking it seriously. He suddenly thought he'd start

2473
02:13:55,359 --> 02:13:57,560
talking about it then, But he didn't talk about it

2474
02:13:57,640 --> 02:14:01,479
the years, you know, I mean they I think he

2475
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:03,720
was on R. C. Clark's Mysterious Well, but I think

2476
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:06,279
that was about the only site, you know, time of year.

2477
02:14:06,359 --> 02:14:09,399
Fear that he wasn't. You know, he's only recently regularly

2478
02:14:09,479 --> 02:14:12,239
started to do stuff. I mean, he's an elder man now,

2479
02:14:12,279 --> 02:14:16,439
he's now in the nineties. But you know, and he'll

2480
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:19,920
say to you this was loads of years ago. He'll

2481
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:22,479
be quite honest, and I'll say my memory might have distorted,

2482
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:26,239
but said, I know what's all he said, but details

2483
02:14:26,279 --> 02:14:28,720
of it I might have distorted because my memory might

2484
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:29,039
not be.

2485
02:14:29,239 --> 02:14:32,560
Speaker 2: He's been pretty honest, isn't he. He really, he's really.

2486
02:14:32,439 --> 02:14:35,920
Speaker 4: Honest, and you know, he'll tell you all about you

2487
02:14:36,039 --> 02:14:37,680
know that he said, you know, it could have been

2488
02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:39,319
a man in monk suit, could have been shut up,

2489
02:14:39,359 --> 02:14:41,600
but perhaps I really don't think so, because he looked

2490
02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:44,479
like a real animal. And he'll say, you know that

2491
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:46,880
they were tracking it, and he said, you know, an

2492
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:50,319
idiot would have got had by bear or something interested

2493
02:14:50,399 --> 02:14:52,439
in the suit like that, so he would have been

2494
02:14:52,479 --> 02:14:55,239
attacked by something or shot. So you know, it's just

2495
02:14:55,479 --> 02:14:57,640
he said, he really thinks it's you know it's a

2496
02:14:57,720 --> 02:15:00,439
real deal. But you know he's very very old. You

2497
02:15:00,479 --> 02:15:02,159
know when they'll say he won and go off in

2498
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:05,199
loads since say awsoor one. I was at the camp

2499
02:15:05,279 --> 02:15:07,239
five once, so we saw some of the shadows that

2500
02:15:07,279 --> 02:15:09,359
could have been another one. Brother, I'm not too sure.

2501
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:12,079
You know, he he went say officed loads, you know,

2502
02:15:12,399 --> 02:15:14,880
like he would if you were you know, not being there.

2503
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:17,760
It's very honest. You know, I was angry when people

2504
02:15:17,880 --> 02:15:21,199
tried to rip him apart. Is meeting me so honored.

2505
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, see he comes across. I mean I saw him

2506
02:15:24,039 --> 02:15:26,439
on the I saw the Office Clark program. He was

2507
02:15:26,439 --> 02:15:30,119
about forty five or something, you know, yeah, very fit,

2508
02:15:30,279 --> 02:15:33,079
younger guy, and now he's like ninety five or something. Thinking,

2509
02:15:33,159 --> 02:15:35,000
my god, this guy is still around. You know, it's

2510
02:15:35,039 --> 02:15:35,840
still amazing.

2511
02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:36,119
Speaker 18: Though.

2512
02:15:36,199 --> 02:15:42,199
Speaker 4: It's like just just before I sort of met him,

2513
02:15:42,760 --> 02:15:46,920
we were out, I think when he twelve or something,

2514
02:15:47,399 --> 02:15:49,119
one of my first sun went out and we got

2515
02:15:49,159 --> 02:15:53,079
a report that he'd been thrown very badly by a

2516
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:56,560
horse into a wall or fence. It broke in his

2517
02:15:57,279 --> 02:15:59,600
neck back and he was in a round and he

2518
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:02,720
was expected he might not survive this one, you know,

2519
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:05,239
because he used to break in horses, still breaking in

2520
02:16:05,319 --> 02:16:08,479
horses in his eighties, you know, if I started up

2521
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:12,079
and I met him about a year and a half

2522
02:16:12,159 --> 02:16:14,600
after that, and he was clearly very stiff, you know,

2523
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:17,800
around the top because it's still got probably permanent damage.

2524
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:22,800
But his legs like seventeen he crosses them. I couldn't

2525
02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:25,119
even do that. I mean, it's just amazing when he

2526
02:16:25,159 --> 02:16:28,439
sits down. These legs are legs that are obviously used

2527
02:16:28,439 --> 02:16:31,840
to grabbing on to the horses. Ben, do you like anywhere?

2528
02:16:32,879 --> 02:16:35,399
He's a guy, you know, I mean, and I met him,

2529
02:16:35,399 --> 02:16:38,760
he was late eighties, but I mean he's still incredibly

2530
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:39,719
fit for his age.

2531
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:41,719
Speaker 3: Yeah wow wow.

2532
02:16:42,319 --> 02:16:43,239
Speaker 5: So so he.

2533
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:47,319
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know which one said it probably probably

2534
02:16:47,399 --> 02:16:49,319
boast of them, I imagine, but i'd imagine the more

2535
02:16:49,360 --> 02:16:51,719
statements we're in, they're probably coming from from Bob giving

2536
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:54,360
him because he's the surviving member of the two. But

2537
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:57,680
they said they wish they had just shot the darn

2538
02:16:57,799 --> 02:17:00,360
thing to stop all this debate, because they could have

2539
02:17:00,399 --> 02:17:02,959
just brought it in and it was saying a lot

2540
02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:03,639
of headaches.

2541
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:07,760
Speaker 4: So Hi, I don't think Bob would have because he's

2542
02:17:08,040 --> 02:17:08,760
part the.

2543
02:17:10,520 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 2: Our first nation.

2544
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:14,479
Speaker 4: I don't think he might be Cherokee. I know he's

2545
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:19,200
half you know, half made First Nation Native American, so

2546
02:17:19,399 --> 02:17:22,280
dating hey would is their beliefs are very strong. You know,

2547
02:17:22,399 --> 02:17:25,639
you don't do anything. So it could have been Patterson,

2548
02:17:25,719 --> 02:17:27,040
but I don't think Bob would have said that.

2549
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but they also took and this is mentioned

2550
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:34,520
in the Lloyd Pie book, which I'd recommend anyone to

2551
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:38,040
go if you're interested in the big Foot thing. He

2552
02:17:38,280 --> 02:17:42,360
actually believes the Neanderthals, the Bigfoot Neanderthals that have not

2553
02:17:42,479 --> 02:17:44,760
died out and they've just moved further into the.

2554
02:17:44,840 --> 02:17:48,600
Speaker 4: Anderthals or too advanced. This is definitely I would say, Well,

2555
02:17:48,680 --> 02:17:53,760
I saw the closest Homo happily seem more privative, right, Okay,

2556
02:17:54,840 --> 02:18:00,719
I reckon the Russian almast is possibly the descriptions on

2557
02:18:00,879 --> 02:18:04,559
it in a way, but what I saw at home,

2558
02:18:04,600 --> 02:18:08,639
my habilist, is far more primitive. Because amazingly, the ander

2559
02:18:08,680 --> 02:18:10,479
tolls they were just like me and you. You wouldn't

2560
02:18:10,479 --> 02:18:13,600
be able to tell a difference, you know, and thick

2561
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:15,680
set person, you know, with a big brow, you know,

2562
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:19,319
you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to tell the difference

2563
02:18:19,639 --> 02:18:21,520
if you took them down the high street, you know,

2564
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:25,920
so you know, and they I mean they were you know,

2565
02:18:26,079 --> 02:18:30,000
quite advanced and what to shoe that could speak. But

2566
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:35,600
there's some evidence they're quite an advanced culture. But I

2567
02:18:35,680 --> 02:18:38,239
think it's going to be a lot more primitive than Neanderthals.

2568
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:41,840
I know there's a lot of books about that. Definitely. Yeah,

2569
02:18:41,879 --> 02:18:43,159
it's going to be a lot more primitive.

2570
02:18:43,239 --> 02:18:43,440
Speaker 15: Really.

2571
02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:46,479
Speaker 2: I think it's because the Neanderthals are the only one

2572
02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:48,520
that most people have heard of on on the kind

2573
02:18:48,559 --> 02:18:51,239
of you know, the average person in the street. They don't.

2574
02:18:51,680 --> 02:18:56,879
Speaker 4: They keep saying that, but yeah, exactly, yeah, it's quick

2575
02:18:57,120 --> 02:18:58,159
come up the tongue, isn't it.

2576
02:18:58,239 --> 02:19:01,840
Speaker 2: Rather it's a bit of yeah, yeah, that's sounds better.

2577
02:19:04,479 --> 02:19:07,319
Speaker 4: That's the same other or they've got different name, but yeah, it.

2578
02:19:07,399 --> 02:19:09,799
Speaker 2: Works well with the zacharais Stitching sort of stuff as well.

2579
02:19:09,879 --> 02:19:12,319
Which zacharais Stitching was the guy that came up with

2580
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:16,079
the idea of the planet Nibiru, which came into our

2581
02:19:16,120 --> 02:19:18,920
all but like fifty thousand years ago or something, and

2582
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:22,920
they created slaves on the Earth to mine their gold,

2583
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:26,200
and he sort of thinks that that was where the

2584
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:29,840
Neanderthal came from. And then I don't know, parts of

2585
02:19:29,959 --> 02:19:32,680
humanity divided off, and maybe that's where the Bigfoot ended

2586
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:36,840
up going to escape from from man as man developed.

2587
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:38,840
That was a kind of rough theory anyway, But I

2588
02:19:38,879 --> 02:19:41,840
would suggest anyone go and look at the revised version

2589
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:44,399
of the book. Everything you know is wronged by Lloyd

2590
02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:47,440
Pye is now passed on unfortunately. So but there's also

2591
02:19:47,559 --> 02:19:50,680
videos on YouTube ways presenting his talks and his discussions

2592
02:19:50,719 --> 02:19:51,079
about it.

2593
02:19:51,399 --> 02:19:55,479
Speaker 4: But he was I mean Gilgabash, the ggbash I reckon

2594
02:19:55,559 --> 02:19:59,159
And is it the one of the easn ape man?

2595
02:19:59,639 --> 02:20:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, are really interesting.

2596
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2597
02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:03,879
Speaker 4: They He's meant to be an ape man, which is interesting,

2598
02:20:04,079 --> 02:20:06,600
you know, well be you know, he could possibly have

2599
02:20:06,680 --> 02:20:08,280
been in the antetol. I don't know.

2600
02:20:11,360 --> 02:20:14,920
Speaker 2: Right Well, we're drawn to a close here, So is

2601
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:17,479
there anything you'd like to promote? JACKI are you doing

2602
02:20:17,559 --> 02:20:22,360
any presentations or trips or podcasts or books or anything?

2603
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:31,399
Speaker 4: Not really myself and Richard Reeman going up with Richard

2604
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:33,120
to do conference a Lapis and I'm going to have

2605
02:20:33,159 --> 02:20:35,000
a bit of a two or weird things up the

2606
02:20:35,079 --> 02:20:37,440
north and they're going to get a bottom lake the

2607
02:20:37,559 --> 02:20:41,680
monster there and get a whipby look around there. The

2608
02:20:42,079 --> 02:20:45,360
paranormal stuff as well, so I also do paranormal investigations.

2609
02:20:45,559 --> 02:20:49,360
So yeah, they were just going to try to find

2610
02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:53,440
they're supposed to be at the East coast sort of

2611
02:20:53,559 --> 02:20:59,840
just from Newcastle. There's you know, bodies were found trust

2612
02:21:00,040 --> 02:21:06,159
happen supposedly serpent sacers, but and has been a thing

2613
02:21:06,559 --> 02:21:10,000
like a lot less monster sing up the coast the

2614
02:21:10,120 --> 02:21:12,040
witnessed by people, so that's quite.

2615
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:12,760
Speaker 3: An interesting one.

2616
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:17,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's yeah, I might do things like that,

2617
02:21:17,799 --> 02:21:20,559
but longer trips. I really want to get to Australia

2618
02:21:20,680 --> 02:21:24,799
to look for the pilots saying, you know, Richard's one

2619
02:21:24,840 --> 02:21:26,879
of Richard's things. But I've also spoken to a lot

2620
02:21:26,920 --> 02:21:32,360
a lot of people. And then we're going again to

2621
02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:35,639
add the mound to the research again. Jeff the Talkien mongoose,

2622
02:21:37,159 --> 02:21:40,559
although we do have a logo Simon Peg stolen Mongoose

2623
02:21:40,600 --> 02:21:43,600
because they didn't have that film. But we weren't impressed

2624
02:21:43,639 --> 02:21:45,719
with the film. It was a bit of fun, but

2625
02:21:45,879 --> 02:21:50,399
it wasn't very accurate. But yeah, yeah, so and I'm

2626
02:21:50,479 --> 02:21:52,879
hoping to get out big footing again in America.

2627
02:21:52,879 --> 02:21:56,639
Speaker 2: Eggs and I don't believe there's a.

2628
02:22:00,079 --> 02:22:02,559
Speaker 4: English big foot. I think if there is anything, it's

2629
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:04,000
paranormal probably.

2630
02:22:04,040 --> 02:22:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, mm hmmm, yeah, we've hardly even touched on the paranorls.

2631
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,959
I had a big foot associated with UFOs and things,

2632
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:14,120
which I know Richard doesn't believe that connection, does he

2633
02:22:14,280 --> 02:22:14,680
sort of thing.

2634
02:22:14,879 --> 02:22:17,120
Speaker 4: I think they're just inquisitive if there was in UFO,

2635
02:22:17,239 --> 02:22:18,879
they go and have a look like we would, and

2636
02:22:19,559 --> 02:22:22,440
I think they just be associated. Just because things two

2637
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:28,639
things go together, doesn't mean they're spirlers correlations, you know. Yeah,

2638
02:22:30,559 --> 02:22:32,520
what that big thing in the sky doesn't mean that's

2639
02:22:32,559 --> 02:22:33,719
from the big thing in the sky.

2640
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, like us, they're probably thinking that we're from it

2641
02:22:36,760 --> 02:22:39,799
as well. Interesting enough. Yeah, well, Ben, what have you

2642
02:22:39,879 --> 02:22:41,239
got planned anything coming up?

2643
02:22:41,719 --> 02:22:44,799
Speaker 3: Well, I'm doing what I always do with my keeping

2644
02:22:45,360 --> 02:22:50,440
my blog and my radio shows going. So that's always, always, use,

2645
02:22:50,719 --> 02:22:54,120
always a continuous project for me. I don't forget to

2646
02:22:54,360 --> 02:22:56,280
check out my book ros while rising a novel of

2647
02:22:56,360 --> 02:23:01,559
disclosure if it's really good, Yes, thanks Jackie, thank you.

2648
02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:04,600
There's two sequels if you're in any way interested in

2649
02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:06,959
any of the subjects we talk about on this on

2650
02:23:07,079 --> 02:23:12,200
this program. So that's that's what I'm doing. I'm not speaking,

2651
02:23:12,239 --> 02:23:14,719
I'm speaking an event next year, next March. I don't

2652
02:23:14,760 --> 02:23:17,479
have the details yet, so well that you know, if

2653
02:23:17,479 --> 02:23:19,440
anyone else wants to book me to speak, just let

2654
02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:19,719
me know.

2655
02:23:20,239 --> 02:23:22,959
Speaker 2: Oh and you might come down to do a talk

2656
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:27,600
next year for the Dulset Earth Mysteries might be returning

2657
02:23:27,639 --> 02:23:29,159
there for I think a fourth time which is going

2658
02:23:29,239 --> 02:23:32,399
to be grown Becaull next summer maybe, which will yeah,

2659
02:23:33,639 --> 02:23:36,479
well for anybody that's interested in my book, True Tales

2660
02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:38,840
of the Parallel, I think, is due in October. So

2661
02:23:38,959 --> 02:23:41,719
when this goes down air then maybe on the shelves

2662
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:44,680
you can certainly pre order it off Amazon, True Tales

2663
02:23:44,760 --> 02:23:47,760
of the Parallel by Neil Wart, which covers everything from

2664
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:51,719
various ghosts and spirits and all sorts of strange things

2665
02:23:51,719 --> 02:23:54,639
which would be of interest to many people, I hope,

2666
02:23:55,159 --> 02:23:58,440
So look out for that. So thank you very much,

2667
02:23:58,559 --> 02:24:02,200
indeed to Ben and to Jackie. Oh and I better

2668
02:24:02,280 --> 02:24:06,639
plug Andy again AND's tuned in events. The October season

2669
02:24:06,760 --> 02:24:09,440
is upon us, so look out for Andy's tuned in

2670
02:24:09,479 --> 02:24:12,200
events on Facebook. And if you're in the Southeast and

2671
02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:14,239
you want to go to all of his events, find

2672
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:19,600
tuned in events t you ned I think events, and

2673
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:21,879
that will be on Facebook and you can perhaps find

2674
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:23,840
out where Andy's going to be doing demonstrations as a

2675
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:26,280
media ship and go meet Andy in person if you're there.

2676
02:24:26,760 --> 02:24:29,120
So thank you very much one and awful watching this.

2677
02:24:29,239 --> 02:24:31,760
Thank you again to Jackie and to Ben for join

2678
02:24:31,879 --> 02:24:36,360
us on the Parallel peep show and have a great Halloween. Everybody, cheers,

2679
02:24:36,399 --> 02:24:37,840
good night, Hi.

2680
02:25:00,079 --> 02:25:05,399
Speaker 4: The Count and Quackness and water.

2681
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:10,159
Speaker 6: To back

2682
02:25:12,040 --> 02:25:14,520
Speaker 18: And then gaggered much mon