WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:05.879 Look at that lighthouse. That's the ultimate expression of foulo 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:09.000 centric technocracy, violating mother Sky. 3 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:11.679 I thought they were just toss up boats, could see them. 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:14.400 No March, Everything penus shaped is bad. 5 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:46.840 Four Finger discount dude. 6 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:34.719 Welcome to four Finger Discounts. But this week we're here 7 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.479 to review an episode that, honestly, I've been very looking 8 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.159 forward to getting stuck into. It's an episode that is 9 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.159 very divisive at the time. Apparently it was absolutely just 10 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.320 panned by critics, panned by fans. How dare you do this, 11 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:50.399 Matt silence to us diehoud Simpsons fans, it is that 12 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:51.039 ninety show. 13 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.719 I'm Dando and I am guy. It's coming to fresh 14 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:55.960 from the fresh from the nineties. This was a very 15 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:58.439 pleasurable step back in time for me. I've got to say, 16 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.280 I mean, look, the episode had it's pros and cons, shall. 17 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:03.640 We say, but I think it had way more pros 18 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:04.439 and cons though. 19 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.959 I really am I can't see the issue. I don't. 20 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:13.400 I am flabbergasted. I don't understand. It's season nineteen, everybody, right, 21 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:16.920 I get we still want some continuity, but I think 22 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.719 Matt does a good enough job at establishing at the 23 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:21.560 start that this is just not gonna be one of 24 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:23.319 those canon ones. It's just gonna be one that where 25 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.079 you just we fuck around with things. It's just gonna 26 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.319 be a bit of fun. It's more of a parody 27 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.079 of the floating timeline than anything. 28 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:31.400 It is. Let me put it to you this way, 29 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:34.079 yeah back when, let me take you way way way 30 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:35.920 back in time, backb even on the nineties, the time 31 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:37.920 and space to the nineteen seventies and even the early 32 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.760 nineteen eighties when I was reading Marvel comic books, and 33 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.040 one of the titles that I enjoyed most was called 34 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:44.959 what If Now. 35 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:46.200 And Matt's I'm a big comic book fan. 36 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.599 People will be aware of what If because Disney, Pluses 37 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:50.959 and Marvel have turned it into a TV series. But 38 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.959 what they did was the fine folks at Marvel, Stanley, 39 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.079 et cetera recognized, Okay, we've got established timelines and established 40 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:01.079 cannon for various characters, but what if here's a couple 41 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.799 of titles or a couple of things they had on 42 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:07.000 the covers. What if the Avengers had never been What 43 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:09.319 if Spider Man had kept his six arms? What if 44 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.159 Jane Foster had found the Hammer of Thought? What if 45 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:12.719 Everyone You Dared Evil was blind? 46 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.800 It's anthology of interest for fit drama, the what if machine? 47 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.159 What if Spider Man had joined the Fantastic Four, all 48 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.639 this kind of stuff, and it's the stuff that comic 49 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:23.000 book nerds and look nerds. 50 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:25.400 It's fun nerds. Are any strips to go? Wouldn't it 51 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.360 be finish? Deadhead? Wouldn't it be interesting in that? Just like that? 52 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.240 And if you push it, well, I saw myself as 53 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.759 a comic book guy on the on the common go. 54 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:35.400 And this is why they'll never make it a little 55 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.520 at the Rings movie, which is not a bad gag 56 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:41.919 in the overall scheme of thanks, but that's how I 57 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:43.879 viewed this episode. It's a it's a little branch off. 58 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.080 It's just fun. It's through the nineties. Oh yeah, I 59 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.400 thought it was just cool seeing the Simpsons, who were 60 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.919 arguably the most iconic pop culture license of the nineties. 61 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:54.479 There weren't many more bigger ones in the. 62 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.439 Simpsons and seeing them view through a nineties len. 63 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.800 Living in the nineties, but not as if the Simpsons 64 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.039 were a part of just the pop culture world. It 65 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:04.960 was just the sixth were actually part of the world 66 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:06.719 in the real world. They were the biggest thing in 67 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.439 the nineties, arguably besides well Scipho Get's reference here as well. 68 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:11.319 Cipher was another big one. It was just cool seeing 69 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:14.240 the world's collide, it was to Punt. Having attended. 70 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:20.000 Having said all that, I mean, it's not a great 71 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.879 episode in terms. I mean, the story's kind of flimsy, 72 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:23.800 and I didn't mind it. 73 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.840 I thought it felt like a nineties teen one of 74 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:29.840 those nineties movies where you know where it's going. It's 75 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:32.439 kind of cliche, but it's still a couple of good 76 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:34.479 songs here and there that make you sort of feel things. Yeah, 77 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.360 Empire Records. It's kind of wacky, kind of silly, but 78 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:38.719 like you still enjoy it because it felt like a 79 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.400 time capsule. I guess it's kind of felt like a 80 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.879 nineteen ninety seventeen comedy in my opinion. 81 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:46.080 That's a good way of putting it, certainly, And I 82 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.000 guess that it didn't really I suppose as job wasn't 83 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:54.199 to reveal anything new about Homer in Marge's relationship or 84 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:57.120 anything like that, or their family dynamic. I suppose it 85 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:59.560 took a little bit of a diversion here and there, 86 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.159 and look, some parts actually worked, but a lot of 87 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:04.879 it was just, oh, you're kind of playing the hits here, 88 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:07.439 and I know, sometimes we don't mind playing the hits. 89 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.360 Sometimes we enjoy seeing what is it, five faces for 90 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:11.960 radio or good Faces for radio. 91 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:13.639 Well, when they spend when they spent a lot of 92 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.159 episodes playing the shits. 93 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:18.279 That's true. Sometimes it's good to get the greatest hits. 94 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:22.680 Yes, yeah, I just thought at various times because this 95 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.480 is an Avana story essentially, it's the story of Kirk 96 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.879 Obain's rise and fall through Homer, I was getting Homer's 97 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:32.079 Barbershop Quartet vibes one of those episodes where you could 98 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:34.839 argue that episode's not cannon either because it's never referenced 99 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:37.199 really again, no, I mean, it doesn't fuck around with 100 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:40.639 the timeline essentially, but it's just one of those things where, wait, 101 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.879 they were in this huge like a global phenomenon. It 102 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:44.800 doesn't really makes sense because it's never acknowledging and where 103 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:46.879 all these money go all that kind of stuff. Here, 104 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:48.759 it's kind of the same as I said, it also 105 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.040 is the timeline with it in the nineties. But if 106 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:53.959 you are a Beatles fan, you really enjoy that episode 107 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:55.879 Homes barber Quartet, But you can still enjoy it even 108 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.079 if you're not a Beatles fan. This one here, I 109 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.160 feel like I put it on for Elliott the other day, 110 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.120 which I was quite shocked at the needle moment, but 111 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:03.639 obviously it's explained as a joke later. 112 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:03.839 Wrong. 113 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:07.199 But he really enjoyed this. But I really enjoyed it 114 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.839 because I'm a Navana fan and I got the references. 115 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.319 I thought he did a really good job in this episode. 116 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:13.199 I really enjoyed it. 117 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.879 Yeah, I'll tell you what. I'm well sort of jumping 118 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.839 ahead the favorite moments here, but when they kicked into 119 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.480 politically and correct, I'm like, not a bad song. 120 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:22.439 But most of are just parodies of Navana, so oh yeah, 121 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:22.920 very much of the. 122 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:26.480 All parodies of Navana and other bands of the grunge eur. 123 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.240 Oh god, damn it. I just realized that there might 124 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.720 be you might hit me with a trivia question, and 125 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:33.279 I'm thinking, oh, should have written this down. 126 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:35.759 No, I've actually got nothing in my trivia yet. I'll 127 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:37.240 just wing him on the spot. I'm going to do it. 128 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:43.240 I'm gonna do one now though. Oh okay, but I 129 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.839 guess I was looking at it also through looking at 130 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.079 the relationship of Homer and Marge, and I guess it 131 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.839 took it in a slightly different direction. We always tend 132 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.720 to view Marge as well. Homer's definitely punching above his weight, 133 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:58.160 and Marge perhaps sidelining her own dreams and her own 134 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.879 ambitions and maybe your own sort of self worth to 135 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:03.839 some degree by quite unquite settling the Homer. 136 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.399 But but I didn't fear that watching this one though. 137 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:09.759 Homa wasn't holding her back really in this I mean, 138 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.000 she had big dreams, but she was going to She 139 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:13.600 had big dreams go to college. She was like, yeah, sure, 140 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.680 I'll work hard so you can go to college. 141 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:18.800 He wasn't holding your back. He was working hard so 142 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.519 you could go. That's true. I guess one thing that 143 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:25.079 I was thinking was about how these two compliment each other. 144 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:29.319 And I guess in the real original canon Simpsons timeline, 145 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.480 how they I guess how Homer provides Marge with the 146 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:37.480 unconditional love that was maybe missing it in her childhood, 147 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:41.000 or the complete attention, complete focus, like this woman is 148 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:43.720 the world and I'm the one who sees that. I'm 149 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:45.160 the one who gets to give it to And yeah, 150 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:51.000 Marge is clear like that's great love. It terrible Jela personas. 151 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.000 Homer's self worth gets boosters as well as like, here's 152 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.279 this incredible woman who's actually. 153 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.720 In love with me, in love with me, so just 154 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.000 how we feel all the I wake up with day 155 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:06.040 and go how why I don't care. 156 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:09.319 I'm gonna tell I'm just gonna ride this train until 157 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.920 it goes up the tracks, mainly due to my poor locomotive. 158 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.160 Ship't don't let him meet Professor August. 159 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:21.120 That's the only I probably would have not been Professor 160 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.560 August certainly dressed like him. Okay, other than the sandals. 161 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:26.439 The sandals are terrible. What does he say to the 162 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:31.199 to the faculty lounge. What are those bikes called? I 163 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.839 don't know, but there's there's like reclining bike. That's like 164 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:34.399 it's just. 165 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:36.399 They're not pompous, but you're just like, what are you doing? 166 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:39.839 It's actually bitter for the It's a bike. 167 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:44.759 Yes, bike, here's the thing rolls reverse right If this 168 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:48.879 was a story. Season nineteen, Homer has a dream. Marge 169 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.319 takes up a job to pay for Homer's dream. He 170 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.800 then has a manager there who's a hot woman who 171 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.519 he falls for, and then leaves Marge to go with 172 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.199 the hot woman, we would be how dare you what 173 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:04.839 a brick here on? She's going March not a very 174 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:09.360 good person. I know that the story is supposed to 175 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.240 be that home is holding her back, but we've seen 176 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.120 how every other couple of Springfields living at that point 177 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.480 in time, they're just the same. 178 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.079 I don't think he's holding her back. Yeah. The other 179 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:21.439 thing is, though, I mean, these characters are going to 180 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:25.800 be what nineteen twenty? Yeah? Is that so their kids? 181 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:29.480 Their kids haven't really worked it out yet, just figuring 182 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.360 out who she is and what she wants. And sometimes 183 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:35.840 you get led astray by a worldly gentleman who's you know, 184 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.440 down with the down with the matriarchy. I was getting. 185 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.480 Have you ever seen the movie Loser with Jason Binks. 186 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.799 I haven't, actually I know of it. It's Yeah, by 187 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.399 the director of Clueless, and it's Yeah Jason Biggs and 188 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:49.480 Mina Savari from American Pie. 189 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.039 And so clips of that movie were used in the 190 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:54.679 film clip four teenage dirt Bag, one of the most 191 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.440 iconic songs of my childhood. 192 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.600 Right, well done by your buddy bring them Yeah. 193 00:08:58.639 --> 00:08:59.840 So if you haven't listened to my one of my 194 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.879 fat interviews, have ever done check out Brendan Brown the 195 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:04.200 least thing of Weeks. He came on the show and 196 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:05.720 we talked about Comeber what episode. I think it was 197 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:07.159 taught abut his career in the end, I think it did. 198 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:09.840 But it was just really, really, really fun. But that 199 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:12.320 was the first time that I heard the song with 200 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:14.759 the word gun still not cut out because they played 201 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:17.240 it on the sound. Yeah, it was just in the I. 202 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:18.919 Always wondered what he brought to school. I guess it 203 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:19.320 was a gun. 204 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.039 Yes, so it was a gun, and you can listen 205 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:22.559 to it on Spotify and it's just not cut out, 206 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:23.639 And just like at the time, it. 207 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:28.159 Was like you heard the word Strangely, it's probably more 208 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.200 triggering now that it's bizarre are actually bringing guns to school? 209 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:33.000 I mean that they were at the time as well. 210 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:34.240 That's why they had to cut it out because of 211 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:36.720 the Columbine. But I just remember that movie being it's 212 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:38.960 the first time I heard the word gun in the 213 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:41.080 Jope Bag song. And you watch it and you think 214 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.360 that the movie is going to be about what the 215 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.039 film because the film clip has a little story to 216 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:47.120 itself and it's sort of like takes. It's got the actors, 217 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:50.679 it's got Jason and Mina Mina playing roles in the 218 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.240 film clip, and you just assume that Loser is going 219 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.799 to be the teenage Joe Bag film clip. But in 220 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:59.320 movie Forum it's not at all as Jason Biggs is 221 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:01.279 a loser who goes unique falls for this girl, but 222 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.039 she's having a relationship with her professors. 223 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:05.440 That's right. So that's why I was just like, this 224 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:08.720 kind of feels like loser. Okay, interesting, Yeah, I'm about 225 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.279 to check out Loser one of these it's not that great. 226 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:16.559 Well maybe or maybe I could not, but yeah, over all, 227 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.360 I really really enjoyed this episode just purely because being 228 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:21.879 a nineties kid Nirvana fan references to sign I think 229 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:24.600 I really like the Seinfeld moment that. 230 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:25.919 Felt a bit on the nose to me, and all 231 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.120 at a lot of the references just felt like, hey, 232 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.399 remember the nineties. I felt like, what was that series? 233 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.120 We love the nineties? They had those I don't remember 234 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:36.039 that we love the nineties. It sounds like, right up 235 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.639 my alley, either VH one or MTV or okay, okay, 236 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.440 they had all those things where yeah, let's get together 237 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:44.480 a bunch of comedians or a bunch of personalities from 238 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:47.159 and also now yeah, yeah, like twenty to one or 239 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:47.799 something like that. 240 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:49.440 And I have to explain to the person, is because 241 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:50.399 you have no idea howther. 242 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:56.120 Worse someone's a comedian. Well, you know they drag out 243 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.000 Mark McGrath from Sugar Sugar Ray or. 244 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.120 Sugar Ray, Sugar ray? Was that every morning? 245 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:04.399 That's that's about to call them sugar fly for some reason. 246 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:06.879 I'm like they so they had a big was their 247 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:08.919 song fly just want to fly? Yeah? 248 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:12.440 Yeah, that that flies in there somewhere and sugar. 249 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:19.559 Like flies to sugar. I've gone beyond slang. Adris is like, 250 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:23.519 oh the flies are getting on the sugar wave them away. 251 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.080 That terrible man, That's that's where he cares that now 252 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:36.279 us talking about the flies to sugar, shoe fly, sugar fly. 253 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.720 Sugar fly back on. But yeah, it did. It did 254 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:44.120 feel a bit that way in some regards, But look 255 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.919 a lot of it. I enjoyed. It's it's certainly not 256 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:52.480 top tier, but it's it's no, it's no lurs Wigan Jesus. 257 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:53.919 It was only up from there, wasn't it? 258 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:59.279 The only way is up? My favorite? What were your 259 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.720 favorite moments from the episode? Like I said, the politically 260 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.480 incorrect lyrics when they kicked in. I'm like, I know 261 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:07.559 they've taken the piss, and what is it? What's what's 262 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:08.039 the tune? 263 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:12.480 Because I thought it was Lithium, right, But on on 264 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:14.919 IMDb one of the users says it's the cover of 265 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.320 the song, which wasn't one of the more popular songs. 266 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.120 I know it's Francis Farmer will Have Her Revenge on 267 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:21.840 second right, I know the song, and I'm like, is. 268 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:24.600 That on Bleach? I don't think it's on never Mind. 269 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:25.720 That's not never Mind. 270 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.159 No, that's that's on the one that's sort of just 271 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.159 like B sides and shit, I'm pretty sure maybe it 272 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:31.679 is on in Utero. I think it might be on 273 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.000 in uter that they're like, follow up, Yeah, so Bleach. 274 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.120 Bleach is the ep pride to never Mind, right. 275 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.320 So yeah, so you had never Mind was the first 276 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.320 big album, and you had that so about a Girl 277 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.240 was on Bleach, right, So that was the first one 278 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:47.000 where it's like, oh, these guys are pretty good. And 279 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:49.440 then never Mind came out boom, and then in Utero, 280 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:52.840 which was a different style of music, but they enjoyed it. 281 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:54.039 No, I liked in Utero a lot. 282 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.519 I'm pretty sure, Francis Farmers on that, on that, but 283 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:58.639 I heard this and I'm just like, this just sounds 284 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.360 like I'm so because I thought it was I thought 285 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:02.879 it was lithium. 286 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.440 Regardless, I'm sure it was it was. 287 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.639 That's the beauty about Nirvana songs, right, you can you 288 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.200 can take Nirvana songs and play them in the form 289 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.159 of lullabys and they sound like really good lollaby songs. 290 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:14.639 They're just really good melodies. 291 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:19.159 Oh yeah, yeah, or in any way. I mean, firos 292 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.399 was kind of a letdown after Fury Road. Sorry, this 293 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:25.720 is a tangent, but that's wait a minute, the guys 294 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.440 have a stroke that the he's talking about. I'm in 295 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:32.120 somewhere with the trust Man. Furiosa was kind of a 296 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:35.200 let down after Fury Road. Not not as good, but 297 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:40.759 the trailer has like this, not even it's not a 298 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.679 metal version of great Now. I forgot that was it? 299 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:45.799 No? 300 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.799 No, no, no, yeah, Madness of the World. Yeah, but 301 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.039 it's yeah, I mean the David Bowie song who Nevana covered. 302 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:57.240 Yes, yes, so it's originally yeah, yeah, I'm an idiot, 303 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:02.120 Zach cut all this out. I'm absolutely useless. 304 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:04.960 So David Bowie's David Bowie song, and then Ivana covered 305 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:06.759 it for their unplug sessions and. 306 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:08.759 Then it's on the It's on the trailer for Burio, 307 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.639 but in this very sort of not operatic version. But 308 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.679 it's like, oh yeah, that kind of works. So what 309 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:18.559 I'm saying is Devana, they're pretty good. I took the 310 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.759 scenic round to get there, but yeah, that was not bad. 311 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.960 I've told let me give you another story that's maybe 312 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:29.320 slightly better, or at least an anecdote. Yeah. No, I 313 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:31.879 mean I was around, well, of course I was around 314 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.240 in the early nineties, but I remember this very very 315 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:37.320 distinctly because it really felt like a change of the guard. Yeah. 316 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.480 I was staying with my sister in Hong Kong and 317 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.480 we had MTV in Australia, but that this is MTV 318 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.360 all day round, as opposed to MTV like a couple 319 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.200 of couple of hours on a Friday night. And the 320 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.120 songs that kept playing and the clips that were really 321 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:55.519 big were things like black or White, and particularly the 322 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:59.360 one I remember is Yes, I think it was too 323 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.320 legit to quick it by Hammer, and they had these 324 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.120 massive film clips. They were just like these huge extravaganzas. 325 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.320 Everything was overproduced. To the max, and it just felt 326 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.960 like this this bubble is about the pop man. This 327 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.600 just feels like entertainment's just getting too big, too unwieldy. 328 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:18.919 And then about a month after me being there, here's 329 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:21.679 this new band, added Fiata called him to Dan. It's like, 330 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.600 why MTV, why behide this person? They're terrible, But you 331 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:29.440 know you hear you know, the opening riff of smells 332 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:32.200 like teen spirit, and honestly it feels like, oh ship, 333 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:36.240 we've just reset the world changed. Yeah, we've absolutely gone 334 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:40.480 back to formula. It's fantastic. So that's something I'll never 335 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:42.799 forget about in Thevana and something I always really appreciate 336 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:46.080 about him. It's like they just almost grab popular culture 337 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.399 by the scruffer neck and said Michael Jackson hammer, sit 338 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.080 the fuck down, shoe fly, shoe fly, make way for 339 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:59.000 Mark McGrath. This has been gay's pop culture coin. 340 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.120 One thing for me is I always look back and 341 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.000 go to shave it. I hate that I missed Nirvana 342 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.000 because they were done by ninety three ninety four, right 343 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.919 because Klonel passed Bay ninety four, the band was essentially 344 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:15.159 done by like ninety three. Oh yeah, they weren't. They 345 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:17.279 were on the downfall in the sense that they weren't 346 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.480 they were rocky, they were splitting out. Just Kurt wasn't 347 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.039 in the good place. You can't really remember much shit 348 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.759 before you're like four or five, and I was five 349 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:27.799 and ninety three. So I have memories of my next 350 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:29.600 door neighbor who her name was Daddy L and she 351 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.159 was sort of like the older kid who'd always like, 352 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:33.720 I'd go over her house and she'd show me some 353 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.399 albums and things like that. I remember she would play Nirvana, 354 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:37.960 but I don't know whether that was whilst I was 355 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:40.600 still a band or whether that was Post's death. But 356 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:43.159 my earliest memories in Navana were just this cool girl 357 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.799 next you just pie Nevana. 358 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:47.919 One might say you were almost in utero at the time. Yeah, 359 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:48.559 exactly right. 360 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:50.360 Yeah, So I just I have no memories of them 361 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:53.080 being a band at the time I was. My childhood 362 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:57.639 was just the groove town. Was the Groovetown? That's one 363 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:58.360 of my trivia questions. 364 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:01.679 But anyway, that's one that all fail because I've already 365 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:03.320 forgot the name. But that was also a good piss 366 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.440 take of just the new Jack swing and love to You. 367 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:08.680 That's boys to men. 368 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:09.559 So I think it's boised men. 369 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:11.880 I feel like they're a default band when you hear 370 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:13.519 a song that you're like, it's boised to men, right. 371 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.119 Very much? Slow Dancer proms, Yes. 372 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:21.599 Yes, what's the other song that end of time? 373 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.759 I think we're singing them in exactly the same although 374 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:32.160 we've come to the end of the real end of 375 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:35.319 the road. Yes, so don't really be dancing out with 376 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:37.759 your best girl at prom because like, wait a minute, 377 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:39.960 you're going after college and you're probably going to sleep 378 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.440 with this closing time. Meanwhile, I'm going to go work 379 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.519 at Laser Tag. But yeah, but good, good soundtrack all round. 380 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:48.720 And I thought sad Gasm songs are actually pretty good 381 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:50.160 song they were, They're my favorite. 382 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.079 But also I really like Margarine as it's good Serene 383 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:53.359 as well. 384 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:58.000 Yeah, and I just liked them sort of. I think 385 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.880 the professor really embodied a but just the early days 386 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.240 of political correctness. Now we have quote unquote who woke culture. 387 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.119 We had this in the nineties that just went all 388 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.960 the way over it didn't he Oh yeah, anything that's 389 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:11.079 checked like a penis is bad. 390 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.200 Man. You've got audiences in twenty two before going you know, 391 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:15.839 he's onto. 392 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:20.079 Something he's got. I just really enjoyed. I thought you 393 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:21.480 about to l like this. It's kind of like a 394 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:23.839 Devil's Advocate. It's kind of random, kind of silly. It's 395 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:25.640 not as good as Devil's Advocate. Obviously, nothing will be. 396 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:29.240 But throwing the oxygen, throwing the things. Where would I 397 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.359 get my oxygen? Makes no sense. 398 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.000 I should have looked this up before him. But I 399 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:38.160 don't know if it was in the nineties of the 400 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.440 two thousand, but oxygen bars were kind of okay, yeah, 401 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:43.319