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Speaker 1: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo.
Speaker 3: How are you doing? My friend? All right? How's it
Speaker 3: going with you? All right? All right?
Speaker 2: Mostly thrilled that the holidays are over?
Speaker 3: Really I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an exhausting time between Thanksgiving and New Year's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a killer.
Speaker 2: It is great. It is great, but you know, at
Speaker 2: some point you got to sleep.
Speaker 3: Okay, mine was great. What I get?
Speaker 4: I got a I got a bed sheet like this,
Speaker 4: like a couple of bed sheets like well, it's like
Speaker 4: a bathtub kind of basically like you know, it's got
Speaker 4: four walls and a bottom piece all attached, and then
Speaker 4: it's got a zip bergeres on the all the way
Speaker 4: around the top. You just you just zip on these
Speaker 4: sheets and you can put on like satin or cotton
Speaker 4: or flannel whatever and they zip on top of that.
Speaker 3: Way.
Speaker 4: You never little because I always I always dealing with
Speaker 4: the corners coming up, like the whole sheet getting loose,
Speaker 4: you know, and it starts balling up and stuff.
Speaker 3: So this'll totally prevent that. I'm stoked.
Speaker 2: No sheet, No.
Speaker 3: There's a sheet, but it zips on them off the top.
Speaker 3: There's like that.
Speaker 4: It's basically like a like a bin, like a you know,
Speaker 4: it's just got it's got a it's got a bottom piece,
Speaker 4: and then the sidewalls that go around the sides of
Speaker 4: the mattress at the top of those they stop at
Speaker 4: the top level of the mattress and you zip it.
Speaker 4: You just zip the mattress, the top mattress piece on
Speaker 4: in and out, so you just change that out and
Speaker 4: just wash that and the rest of it you just
Speaker 4: leave on there and it never comes off.
Speaker 2: You're seating me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Rad well, good man, nothing like a good comfortable sleep exactly. Oh,
Speaker 2: speaking of witch, So we got a cat.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How annoying are cats?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: Almost as annoying as there as your female counterpart talking
Speaker 4: about them.
Speaker 2: You know, he's adorable, et cetera. You know, it's nice
Speaker 2: to have an animal in the house. I enjoy it.
Speaker 2: But man, what is this up? What is up with
Speaker 2: a two am wake up call? Every morning of her
Speaker 2: eh ah, for god knows what reason.
Speaker 3: Let's go out and take a leak.
Speaker 2: No a cat go outside to take a shirt. It does,
Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna let it go outside. It did
Speaker 2: escape once. We actually left the door open and we
Speaker 2: weren't looking, and it was on the logging road next
Speaker 2: to the house in a matter of a minute.
Speaker 3: You get eaten pretty fast out there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's an albino cat, like a bright
Speaker 2: white cat out where we live. It wouldn't last more
Speaker 2: than a couple of days.
Speaker 3: Oh so you got to live with kitty litter in
Speaker 3: the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, none of that's very bad. It's just that
Speaker 2: yowling at two am that's bothered me at the moment.
Speaker 4: But Cliff, I'm gonna do you a big both of us,
Speaker 4: a big favor. I'm going to have Cree to call
Speaker 4: Mel so they could commiserate and change cat ideas, talk
Speaker 4: about their cats days.
Speaker 3: Then you and I can talk about Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and spirit We spare each other and then they're
Speaker 4: happy because they're listening to each other.
Speaker 1: Listen, we can we can have them co host a
Speaker 1: cat mom podcast. I'll produce it. We can put it
Speaker 1: on the bigfoot and beyond network and we all win.
Speaker 1: We'll proceeds. Yeah, you guys have a cat, Well, I
Speaker 1: feed this one stray outdoor cat, so he's kind of
Speaker 1: like our cat, but he's he's an outdoor cat.
Speaker 3: So cretic and coachure on how to entertain it and
Speaker 3: bring it in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll have Emily be a you know, the
Speaker 1: first guest that has questions for the expert hosts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, changing from dog to cat mode is
Speaker 2: a big, big stretch man. It's insane for me because
Speaker 2: the cat's name is Casper. But it doesn't matter. It
Speaker 2: doesn't acknowledge that you're even saying the word. You know,
Speaker 2: it has no idea or it doesn't care.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: This is like like why why even name the thing?
Speaker 2: I guess we name the things so Melissa and I
Speaker 2: can talk about it and know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: But as far as a cat's you don't. Here's here's
Speaker 2: my big takeaway so far about owning a cat. We
Speaker 2: don't own a cat. There's a cat that lives here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the big thing, Like, we don't own it. It's
Speaker 2: not ours, you know, we're only there for it's convenience
Speaker 2: when it when it feels like it. Basically, there's there's
Speaker 2: another animal that lives in the house that we that
Speaker 2: we support.
Speaker 1: Cats are pretty joyful. Though they're fun. They can be mischievous,
Speaker 1: which is quite entertaining. But yeah, most of the time
Speaker 1: they're just aloof and apathetic like me.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I'm having trouble with it.
Speaker 4: You guys look at each other's are coming pilot and
Speaker 4: erect and hissing at each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have met your animal counterparts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a self loathing that makes me uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: But it's cool, don't get me wrong. It is adorable,
Speaker 2: it's cool. It's really weird, very very strange animals to
Speaker 2: me because I'm not I've always had dogs and that
Speaker 2: never had a cat. Very unusual behaviors and mannerisms, and
Speaker 2: I just don't understand him at all. That's fine, I
Speaker 2: don't need to understand everything. I'm okay with the lack
Speaker 2: of resolution. But he's adorable and cool and stuff. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's like, yeah, I don't think I've.
Speaker 1: Ever seen a picture of JUNI maybe we should post
Speaker 1: one for the pigeons. And I'll post a picture of
Speaker 1: our cat. There's a bunch of neighborhood cats, so on
Speaker 1: the outdoor cameras we see him all the time. So
Speaker 1: maybe I'll post a pic of a couple of these beasties.
Speaker 1: Cliff can submit some picks of Casper and Bobo. You
Speaker 1: needed some Juni picks, Well.
Speaker 3: There's about ten thousand of those.
Speaker 1: Bobo Lament's Judy. But if you're not a member, you
Speaker 1: want to have heard this. But we were doing a
Speaker 1: members episode one time, Bobo kept stopping to go chase
Speaker 1: away evil neighborhood cats with a super soaker to defend
Speaker 1: sweet Juni.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I love Juny, but I mean it's not
Speaker 4: the center of my life like some people.
Speaker 1: Your cat picks folks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just transition from way from Bigfoot. We'll just
Speaker 2: do a cat podcast.
Speaker 3: From now on. We get such a bigger audience, that's true.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: I feel like we'd get an angrier audience.
Speaker 4: So I went down to visit Michael and his wife
Speaker 4: from the Mysterious Michael episode. What was it called the
Speaker 4: Mysterious Michael episode.
Speaker 1: For Michael's Mysterious Neighbors was the name of the episode.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, they're down in San Diego now, and I
Speaker 4: went down and visited him and yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 4: It was We went to check that Spotware Cliff where
Speaker 4: that wild Animal Park seighting was.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. We went to recon that.
Speaker 4: We did some hiking around areas near there, like check
Speaker 4: out like possible travel routes and it's kind of we
Speaker 4: got went in too, like an elevated position like the
Speaker 4: highest well not the highest, but a higher elevation pointing
Speaker 4: around there and got a lad of the valley could
Speaker 4: toy see the travel out corridors and it toy linked
Speaker 4: toy made sense with the Brian Brian from San Diego.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure enough so that was but Brian's property
Speaker 4: there in northeast San Diego. That was like in a
Speaker 4: kind of line with it all.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was pretty interesting, but we just felt like now
Speaker 4: we're so ways start ted. We're trying to squatchire because
Speaker 4: it's such a huge area and it was stormy, was
Speaker 4: blowing like it was heavy stand on the windsow was
Speaker 4: blowing like thirty to fifty up there in the canyons,
Speaker 4: and there was some like eighty nine eighty by an
Speaker 4: hour guests that night up to ninety five, I guess
Speaker 4: over the ridgetops and so it's just.
Speaker 3: Like we're not we're not gonna mean to look out
Speaker 3: there trying to go squatching. So we just sat.
Speaker 4: We just kicked inside and watched tons of on YouTube,
Speaker 4: Todd Prescott's Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: What is it, Sasquatch Archives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sasquatch Archives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I didn't watched I didn't watched that for
Speaker 4: like probably a month and a half or two months.
Speaker 3: We watched so much stuff that plays. That thing is
Speaker 3: so awesome.
Speaker 4: And then one of their favorite ones that Sailor Sasquatch
Speaker 4: the Browns. Dude, that's that's a great one. Then I
Speaker 4: was going back through some old Charlie Kentucky Big for
Speaker 4: research and there's some great witness interviews I've never seen
Speaker 4: before on there, like old ones.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 2: He spends a lot of time interviewing witnesses on camera
Speaker 2: with their permission, of course, and posting that sort of stuff. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you're into witness this accounts Charlie's page is great. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And Sailors sasquatchin they cover all a lot of
Speaker 4: you know, focus on witnesses where they they go on
Speaker 4: other stuff too.
Speaker 3: It's like I like those channels a lot.
Speaker 2: Well, very good man, very good. You know there's some
Speaker 2: decent stuff out there on YouTube. You just got to
Speaker 2: know where to look. But there's how do you separate
Speaker 2: the noise, you know, from from the quality stuff? Is
Speaker 2: the problem?
Speaker 3: I just did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just did for everybody, say everybody's all save
Speaker 2: everybody a lot of work there. Well, thank you boys,
Speaker 2: we all know you. Yet another things, Sasquatch Archives. What
Speaker 2: else did I have to say? Squad English, s A
Speaker 2: L A I.
Speaker 4: S H, Sailor's Sasquatch and kb R O links in
Speaker 4: the show notes you thanks for We.
Speaker 2: Put out another video this past week too. It's been
Speaker 2: getting a lot of love. My favorite thing about it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the NABC. Of course we do monthly videos, and but
Speaker 2: where we put the old ones out on another YouTube
Speaker 2: page for everybody to enjoy, you know. And we put
Speaker 2: one out where I took Shane Courson out to a
Speaker 2: place called the Outer Rim and we came back with
Speaker 2: like eight or nine foot print cast. It was great,
Speaker 2: But in the middle of it there was this montage
Speaker 2: sort of thing and I just slapped one of my songs,
Speaker 2: you know, over it and then I don't usually catch
Speaker 2: this sort of stuff, but for whatever reason, I saw
Speaker 2: there was a comment. It was one of the top comments,
Speaker 2: is why, and it said, like, what's up with the
Speaker 2: weird music? And it made me laugh because it's like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and it is kind of an oblique musical interlude. I
Speaker 2: showed it to Melissa and she thought I was nuts
Speaker 2: for putting it there, because like, you're at this dramatic
Speaker 2: bigfoot thing and we're pulling casts and looking at footprints
Speaker 2: in the ground, and she said it was like suddenly,
Speaker 2: like a circus of monkeys came out out of the
Speaker 2: woods and started like playing and juggling or something like that,
Speaker 2: because the music mismatched the the visuals so much. But
Speaker 2: I don't care. I think it's a good tune.
Speaker 1: Isn't it the same piece of music we use in
Speaker 1: our outro?
Speaker 2: It is it is? It's called count Spatula.
Speaker 1: So our listeners have heard it. I love that one
Speaker 1: because when we first started doing the podcast, I wanted
Speaker 1: some musical beds for different things, and you sent me
Speaker 1: over a number of things and I heard that. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is because remember I had you
Speaker 1: record the outro just into a microphone buyer self, like,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening to this week's episode. If you like
Speaker 1: what you heard, click blah blah blah blah. So then
Speaker 1: I was looking for a piece of music to stick
Speaker 1: that too, and I just thought that one was great
Speaker 1: because no matter what, you know, if it's a dramatic
Speaker 1: episode with a witness or you know, one of us
Speaker 1: joking around that every time, it'll be bobo, you know,
Speaker 1: keep it squatchy and then oh, you know all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do have a The music that comes out
Speaker 2: of me is a little quirky and angular, I do admit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Well I been out. I miss Christmas week. It's one
Speaker 2: of those rare weeks where I just didn't get out,
Speaker 2: you know, and the weather was crappy and in the
Speaker 2: holiday and all that sort of stuff too. But I
Speaker 2: did get out this past week, walked around a bit
Speaker 2: and found absolutely nothing that's been on a dry street lately.
Speaker 2: There's been nothing going on out there as far as
Speaker 2: I can tell, although somebody did come into the museum yesterday.
Speaker 2: I was in the shop yesterday for a few hours
Speaker 2: and somebody came in. He's been working an area out
Speaker 2: by Mount Saint Helen's and he came in with two
Speaker 2: footprint casts that he obtained this past July, and they're
Speaker 2: they're blobby and whatnot. But you know, I cast a
Speaker 2: lot of blobby footprints, so I'm pretty good at deciphering
Speaker 2: what I'm looking at. And you can see toes in
Speaker 2: both of them to various extents. One of them has
Speaker 2: they're both broken, so I showed them how to fix
Speaker 2: them as well. That should help a little bit. But
Speaker 2: I'm pretty positive those were sasquash tracks from the markings
Speaker 2: I saw in them. Fourteen inches fourteen and a half
Speaker 2: somewhere in there.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I really could you tell?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, like five inches or something across
Speaker 2: the ball didn't I didn't measure that. But I do
Speaker 2: have photographs of them. If you'd like to see them, boathes,
Speaker 2: I can send them to you. You can see the
Speaker 2: big toe, of course, and you can see, you know,
Speaker 2: some of the other smaller toes next to it, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, if you know what you're looking for. So
Speaker 2: I'll text those over to you right now.
Speaker 3: Hey, did you say you were suspicious of the elt
Speaker 3: Bossburg tracks? Cripple foot now.
Speaker 1: And not those, Okay. I think there's just such a
Speaker 1: preponderance of those and found over such a widespread area
Speaker 1: and such a long span of time by so many people.
Speaker 1: Like I know that Ivan Marx is sort of associated
Speaker 1: with those, but I don't think he faked those.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I watched that whole thing with the they went back
Speaker 4: to the site in nineteen eighty nine with Renee de Hendon.
Speaker 3: That's great. I learned so much from that.
Speaker 4: I mean when you see that video, like, there's no
Speaker 4: way those are fake because Renee, what you're not going
Speaker 4: to fool Renee that like that, like with over a
Speaker 4: thousand prints covered that much terrain and then crossing the
Speaker 4: I don't knowize how big that river was at that point.
Speaker 4: I thought it was like, you know, up river like Columbia.
Speaker 4: They fled it like a lake, so that's really wide there,
Speaker 4: and they found the prince on the other side of
Speaker 4: the river going like a couple of days later.
Speaker 2: Some dn R guys, Yeah, I guy named John Sussi
Speaker 2: mil was his name. He was a border patrol guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was behind locked gates on logging lands and he
Speaker 2: stumbled across the trackway of the same animal that says
Speaker 2: a lot about that. I met Mark. I met Mark Seusimol,
Speaker 2: which is John's son, and he had copies of the
Speaker 2: cast made in sand. It's kind of a long story.
Speaker 2: That's how I got I got associated with this. A
Speaker 2: guy out there named Eric. He had a couple of
Speaker 2: copies of it, and he thought they were originals because
Speaker 2: the sand was in them. So I got word from
Speaker 2: Shane I think, and some other people that like, hey,
Speaker 2: there's original Bossberg tracks out here in northeast Oregon. So
Speaker 2: I mean I contacted the made arrangements and went out
Speaker 2: there and they weren't. They weren't originals. Is it very
Speaker 2: understandable misidentification because they copied them in sand, and therefore
Speaker 2: they thought the sand was the original cast.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: But when I was over there, I go, hey, Eric,
Speaker 2: where'd you get these? He goes, oh, I got him
Speaker 2: from my friend Mark. So Mark, Mark seusimil So what whoa?
Speaker 5: Whoa?
Speaker 3: What? What?
Speaker 2: I said, you think you can get me in touch
Speaker 2: with him? And he goes, don't let me give and
Speaker 2: he came over. He came over that day. I got
Speaker 2: to meet him and talk to him about his dad
Speaker 2: and what are your remembers about it. Found out where
Speaker 2: the original tracks are. They're with his brother, and so
Speaker 2: I've been trying to get him in contact with me
Speaker 2: for like like two years, but they just have been unsuccessful, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: But that's also where I got a hold. Have you
Speaker 2: ever seen those big bricks? Basically John susimil what he did.
Speaker 2: If you look at these pictures of John Susiml holding
Speaker 2: the cast, you're going to notice that the those Bossberg
Speaker 2: tracks have kind of an odd sheen to them, unlike
Speaker 2: most of their photographs of casts. And it's because what
Speaker 2: he did is he coded them in rubber. They think,
Speaker 2: why in the world did he do that? And then
Speaker 2: I realized why there are these large blocks of plaster,
Speaker 2: and what he would do. He'd pour a big block
Speaker 2: of plaster and then he would push the original cast
Speaker 2: into the block of plaster, and so that rubber was
Speaker 2: acting as like a release agent in a way, and
Speaker 2: then he'd pull it out and what what what you'd
Speaker 2: have is what the actual impression looked like in the ground.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so Mark had two of those, the originals, and
Speaker 2: he was kind enough to lend those to me, and
Speaker 2: I brought them home and I returned them to him
Speaker 2: a few months later when I can get out there again.
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to mail those. I wanted to
Speaker 2: handle a little bit, you know, And so I made
Speaker 2: a copy for the museum, and the copy is the
Speaker 2: copies are in the museum in our boss Bery display.
Speaker 2: And I made one other copy for doctor Meldrum, which
Speaker 2: have now been circled around in are back in my
Speaker 2: in my castroom downstairs in the outbuilding. So I have
Speaker 2: those again. So yeah, but interest stuff. And what I'll
Speaker 2: do is I'll I'll find a picture of those and
Speaker 2: I'll send those two right now too, so you can
Speaker 2: see those, and then I guess we can post them
Speaker 2: to the members or something like that if you want.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in case anyone doesn't know, we're talking about the
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty nine Bossburg tracks. We're the ones I got
Speaker 4: Grover Crafts involved with doctor Grover Krasts involved in the
Speaker 4: whole subject matter. Well that's what I got I'm really
Speaker 4: good on, was that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, we have a great display on the Bossberg
Speaker 2: stuff and in the museum, and of course that a
Speaker 2: couple of things that had never been seen before. Doctor
Speaker 2: Meldrum years ago gave me a cast and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can have this, cliff. This is clearly a Bossburg print,
Speaker 2: but we don't know where from or whatever. And I
Speaker 2: think if I would oppressed some we could have figured
Speaker 2: it out pretty quick. Honestly, when I got home, I
Speaker 2: was looking at it and I say, what is this
Speaker 2: and where did this come from? And it turns out,
Speaker 2: again long story short, that there's a photograph of doctor
Speaker 2: Krantz kneeling down pointing at a footprint in the ground.
Speaker 2: John Green took that picture. I think he's maybe he's
Speaker 2: not pointing at the time, but I'll have to dig
Speaker 2: that picture up too, And that's the cast. That the
Speaker 2: cast is of that same footprint. You can tell because
Speaker 2: the the leaf patterns that are on the cast are
Speaker 2: the same that are in the ground. That's one hundred
Speaker 2: percent that cast. So doctor Krantz in most likely December
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, a few days after winter Break started.
Speaker 2: I happened to look up at winter Break started in
Speaker 2: the early twenties of December twenty first or something like that,
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty nine and at Washington State University at Pullman,
Speaker 2: I found the campus schedule for that year's and he
Speaker 2: said in his writings, Krantz said he went down there
Speaker 2: a few days later, so probably two or three days
Speaker 2: later when the photograph was taken. But it is one
Speaker 2: hundred percent that cast. And I was concerned because doctor
Speaker 2: Meldrim gave me the print, and the leaves are in
Speaker 2: it and whatnot. So I wrote Jeff and said, Jeff, like,
Speaker 2: you didn't give me the original. Did you like this?
Speaker 2: He replied with a picture of a similar cast that
Speaker 2: is clearly the original because it has a lot more
Speaker 2: forest stuff in it than mine does. The first one
Speaker 2: out of the mold always has the most of the
Speaker 2: original forest stuff and dirt in it, and mine was
Speaker 2: the second one out of the mold, as far as
Speaker 2: I can tell, And of course Krantz's that's Kranz's first
Speaker 2: exposure to the evidence as well. He wrote in his
Speaker 2: book that before he went down there, he was giving
Speaker 2: Sasquatch about ten percent chance of being real. But after
Speaker 2: seeing the footprints and analyzing the footprint cast that he
Speaker 2: made there, and also he borrowed the ones that Ivan
Speaker 2: Marx made and made good sand copies of those. He
Speaker 2: became one hundred percent convinced that they're real. But it's
Speaker 2: kind of neat seeing that photograph of Krantz looking at
Speaker 2: the print in the ground, because that's the seminal moment.
Speaker 2: That's like the seed that grew the tree of all
Speaker 2: science and Bigfoot pretty much at that point, it's the
Speaker 2: his And there's actually for the NABC members, their end
Speaker 2: of the year video was a deep dive into the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six five Points cast at Doctor Meldrum cast,
Speaker 2: and that was doctor Meldrum's initial exposure to evidence in
Speaker 2: the field as well. And there's a similar picture. It's
Speaker 2: kind of a parallel picture, but it's from a distance
Speaker 2: in about three quarter of view of doctor Meldrum kneeling
Speaker 2: down in the field obviously examining footprints in the ground.
Speaker 2: You can see his measuring tape and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. So it's like a similar picture. It's a
Speaker 2: parallel picture of like the first time a very important
Speaker 2: scientist was examining evidence in the field and I guess
Speaker 2: again a seed moment, if you will.
Speaker 1: So that five Points video was great. I've watched that
Speaker 1: live when you dropped on Patreon, and it was very
Speaker 1: very well done, super cool to see. I'd never seen
Speaker 1: all the casts involved, and you know in the books
Speaker 1: or in Meldrim's talks. You know, it's sort of part
Speaker 1: of the origin story, I guess you could say. But
Speaker 1: so to get that deep a dive into it, like
Speaker 1: where it went, where it came from, the way it
Speaker 1: moved in the environment, to tracks that were documented. Seeing
Speaker 1: you know, three D images of the casts with the
Speaker 1: you know, video camera moving around them and you pointing
Speaker 1: things out. That was excellent. So I think the content
Speaker 1: you're making for the NABC is the best Sasquatch video
Speaker 1: content out there for sure.
Speaker 2: All thanks, But will you have a guest membership, don't you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I haven't logged it in so long.
Speaker 3: I gotta can start doing that again.
Speaker 2: Not whatever you want, whatever you want, I just want
Speaker 2: to make sure that you had access to this stuff.
Speaker 3: Too, So I did. Yeah, I think I can still
Speaker 3: get in.
Speaker 2: Will let me know if it had expired or you
Speaker 2: can't find it or something like that, I can send
Speaker 2: you another guest membership thing.
Speaker 4: So I think maybe it didn't work one time and
Speaker 4: I just didn't go back or something. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: because I enjoy everything when I did have when I
Speaker 4: did have access, so I was going on there more
Speaker 4: regular I was like, I was like, this is the
Speaker 4: best thing going Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then obviously there's been a lot of other historical
Speaker 2: things being posted recently. You know, a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: if I found a picture of Vance Orchard took of
Speaker 2: Paul Freeman sitting at home holding the original cast from
Speaker 2: the deduct footage, you know, So that and cleaned off
Speaker 2: very well at that point. Yet, so that's kind of neat.
Speaker 2: Little snapshots of history are always popping up in the end.
Speaker 3: That's pretty important that one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, made another discovery actually not too long ago.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I mentioned it on the podcast
Speaker 2: or not, because my sense of time is so elastic,
Speaker 2: but Paul apparently cast two footprints at De Duck Spring
Speaker 2: the day after he saw the things and filmed him.
Speaker 2: So there are three footprint casts from that event. Now,
Speaker 2: Paul casts two that I'm aware of, and there's one
Speaker 2: that I'm aware of from West Summerlin.
Speaker 3: So I thought there was more.
Speaker 2: There's certainly no more in the Freeman collection unless he
Speaker 2: gave him away. He did have a habit of giving
Speaker 2: away original casts.
Speaker 3: Man. I mean that's nice, but frustrating now not all
Speaker 3: in one place.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's frustrating in other ways too, just because sometimes
Speaker 2: the casts that I personally have like physical possession of
Speaker 2: are not the originals, like the Dermal's casts. For example,
Speaker 2: I think all three of the Dermals casts, the larger
Speaker 2: one that half, the kind of halfish looking one, and
Speaker 2: then the one with the rock in it. I have
Speaker 2: copies of all those, but I don't have the originals,
Speaker 2: because the originals are in the Smithsonian.
Speaker 3: Well they are, uh huh, as.
Speaker 2: Well as the originals that Krantz cast himself at the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two grays Harbor scene.
Speaker 3: Well, and those are on display. They just got donated.
Speaker 2: Now they're donated to the Smithsonian. They keep them in
Speaker 2: a drawer in the back, along with his bones and
Speaker 2: the bones of his dog and all that sort of
Speaker 2: stuff that he gave. He gave molds of the cripple
Speaker 2: foot like the Bossburg tracks as well to them, and
Speaker 2: a few other odds and ends. From what I understand,
Speaker 2: what I can gather at least, so.
Speaker 4: I need donated socios or what it was his skeleton
Speaker 4: and his dogs. They're on display though.
Speaker 2: Right sometimes they sometimes rearticulated for a few months at
Speaker 2: a time.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping to run across some sort of invoice or
Speaker 2: something that'd be kind of fun to find it. And again,
Speaker 2: right now with the with the Meldrum collection, I'm down
Speaker 2: to just stacks and stacks of papers. I was kind
Speaker 2: of lamenting to Matt Proute before you hopped on the
Speaker 2: call here that you know, like the other night, I
Speaker 2: went out there and I got through like maybe three
Speaker 2: inches or so, if you want to measure it like that,
Speaker 2: three to maybe even four four or five inches of
Speaker 2: just random papers that Jeff had printed out or emails
Speaker 2: that he you know, articles and that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: And most of it is just stuff, you know, like
Speaker 2: maybe print outs of an article from Bobby Short's website
Speaker 2: or that sort of thing. Occasionally I'd run across emails
Speaker 2: that might be of some historical interests, or you know,
Speaker 2: invoices or you know that kind of stuff. This mostly stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm trying to organize those in a
Speaker 2: way that seems appropriate for historical reasons. But then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden in the middle of it. I run across. Oh,
Speaker 2: here's a piece of paper that identifies as footprint cast
Speaker 2: that I had no idea where it came from. And
Speaker 2: it's like a half sheet of paper with some hand drawing,
Speaker 2: like handwriting on it. So he's like, he got to
Speaker 2: go through every single page of this stuff because you,
Speaker 2: as much as I would love to, you know, just
Speaker 2: set it aside and say, oh, there's probably nothing in there.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: One shouldn't because one page out of eight hundred might
Speaker 2: have something of use on it. Because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of mysteries in the collection. Still, you know, then every
Speaker 2: once while there's something pointing the way.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of pointing the way, we did get a
Speaker 1: number of questions in. It's not as many as there
Speaker 1: usually are for a monthly Q and A because it's
Speaker 1: been the holidays and so since we did the last
Speaker 1: Q and A, people had busy holiday lives. But we
Speaker 1: did have a few listeners reach out who are looking
Speaker 1: for some pointers along the way. If you guys want
Speaker 1: to get to some.
Speaker 3: Of those, sure.
Speaker 1: Here is the first voicemail.
Speaker 6: Hey, Cliff and Bobo, my name is Chuck. I'm an
Speaker 6: amateur squatcher out of Central Pennsylvania and a longtime fan
Speaker 6: of the Finding Bigfoot show as well as the podcast
Speaker 6: Keep up the great work. My question for you guys
Speaker 6: is do you ever plan to do another Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 6: special with Matt and Renee as well? I just finished
Speaker 6: Rewatch and the Search continues, and man, it's so great
Speaker 6: to see you guys all together. The chemistry is great
Speaker 6: and I just love seeing you guys squatch.
Speaker 3: Out in the woods.
Speaker 6: Additionally, what would your last meal request be? Say you
Speaker 6: guys are on death row? I would love to know.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much. Keep up the great work again
Speaker 6: and keep it squatchy peace.
Speaker 3: Would you another one? I'd rather have the budget for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it wasn't our idea to begin with.
Speaker 2: We'd got a call from A Casey, one of the
Speaker 2: owners of the Ping Pong production company that did the show,
Speaker 2: and asked if we might be interested in it, and
Speaker 2: I guess they pitched it and Animal Planet bit I guess.
Speaker 2: As the bottom line, it wasn't our idea to get
Speaker 2: back together. But yeah, if they came to me and
Speaker 2: wanted to do it, I would consider it. As I
Speaker 2: don't want to do another TV show in general, but
Speaker 2: I'm happy to do one off gigs or something like that.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to happen, but maybe it will.
Speaker 3: Who knows. I wouldn't expect it, though, Yeah, godjout it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: As far as my last meal, I mean it would
Speaker 2: be a burrito. I'm literally wearing a shirt right now
Speaker 2: and all it says is burrito on it.
Speaker 3: I mean somebodyse burritos lately. Lucky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, it'd be that to be like really
Speaker 4: good alba core, like fresh caught albal core tuned into
Speaker 4: a castrole to the castle.
Speaker 3: Then also a sandwich tunea.
Speaker 4: Melt with grilled onions on fresh baked homemade sour oat bread.
Speaker 4: Then some candied sweet potatoes with marshmellow on top and walnuts,
Speaker 4: and then raspberry donut jelly donut claize, and then apple
Speaker 4: fretter shoot, like a good a good fruit smoothing and
Speaker 4: a good a good juice for my health, some healthy
Speaker 4: stuff for the next half hour of my life. Maybe
Speaker 4: maybe a little steak and Dungeoness crab.
Speaker 2: I see the ploy here. You're just trying to stay
Speaker 2: alive longer.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna finish everything, but I'll do my best. I'll
Speaker 4: finish because I guess you got you evacuate your bowels
Speaker 4: and when they kill you, so at least you'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: here you go.
Speaker 2: Buddy, Matt Prut would finish all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd finish it. I approve. My goal did to
Speaker 3: get the chair on a full stomach.
Speaker 2: And then crap all over the place, make it cut
Speaker 2: it up as revenge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's our revet, Bubble's revenge. Yep.
Speaker 1: Thanks for that question, Chuck, and here's the next voicemail.
Speaker 5: Hello, gentlemen, this is Drag from Spartanburg, South Carolina. I
Speaker 5: just wanted to ask you a quick question. And by
Speaker 5: the way, I love the podcast and I used to
Speaker 5: love to watch around the Big Bit. I still do
Speaker 5: it times. But anyway, king a dog, if you let
Speaker 5: a dog smell or snoop out the nest or somewhow
Speaker 5: to get a smell from a big boot and let
Speaker 5: them track track E two to one, I was just wondering,
Speaker 5: thank you, loving you guys, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of thing's been tried before. Dogs don't
Speaker 2: seem super cooperative about it. But also, if you found
Speaker 2: a nest or something like said the Olympic Project nest
Speaker 2: so she saw the Olympic Project nests before she died.
Speaker 2: You know, she was out there, but I don't remember
Speaker 2: her having any sort of adverse reaction or anything to it,
Speaker 2: if I remember right. And no matter what made it there,
Speaker 2: there'd be some sort of smelling, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you could be a week or two or three behind
Speaker 2: the sasquatch. It had to be very very fresh like then,
Speaker 2: like the night before or something like that too, I
Speaker 2: think have any chance of running across the thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you guys think?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: Because the sasquatch is a pretty good clip, right, you.
Speaker 4: Have to train the dog. Well, the hard part is
Speaker 4: training the dog because you're really trying to track one
Speaker 4: thing or two things. But like especially dog, like a
Speaker 4: bear hunting dog just tracks bears because they gotta they
Speaker 4: gotta ignore deer and moose whatever, because they're bear dogs
Speaker 4: like that kind of thing. So if if it's a
Speaker 4: scent hound, you gotta train it and then get the
Speaker 4: scent exactly that you want, then train it training training
Speaker 4: with that. Then that'll stick on a trail real good.
Speaker 4: So you gotta first identify for sure known squatch like
Speaker 4: you know, some materi that you can repeatedly expose them
Speaker 4: to then turn them to track that. Well, yeah, we
Speaker 4: had that that Navy seal or green Bread Navy Seal.
Speaker 4: A dog handler dog trainer, they said, did you do
Speaker 4: a Belgian shepherd that was the craziest those balls out
Speaker 4: dog that he think would would not be a.
Speaker 3: Phrase to go out for anything no matter what.
Speaker 2: I think, you also have to devote the dog's life
Speaker 2: to that one thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that one thing.
Speaker 2: Train it repeatedly, which is a problem I always had
Speaker 2: with that Finding Bigfoot episode. We had those dog trainers
Speaker 2: out that said that they trained it on some primates like,
Speaker 2: why would they do that? Or are they just saying
Speaker 2: that because I don't know anything about dog training, but
Speaker 2: you know, and that's if you have to spend the
Speaker 2: dog's life training on on that one thing. How did
Speaker 2: that happen? Or is that just more TV nonsense I
Speaker 2: wasn't aware of at the time.
Speaker 4: I think he said that the dog wasn't like wasn't
Speaker 4: going to be It wasn't like a like one of
Speaker 4: their top performing dogs.
Speaker 2: Well that's all right, we were one of the top
Speaker 2: performing shows.
Speaker 3: Well it was still it.
Speaker 4: Was still a high quality dogs just wasn't like those
Speaker 4: guys are selling like eight ten thousand dollars fifteen thousand
Speaker 4: dollars dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but certainly dogs have been tried before. But again,
Speaker 2: and also, if you do catch up, I guess you
Speaker 2: film it right or you shoot it or something, but
Speaker 2: I don't know. It seems like could be awfully hard
Speaker 2: to catch up to a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: A few people have, but it's rare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to think pretty hard about like, what
Speaker 2: are you going to do if you do catch up
Speaker 2: to it? What issues does that create? Screaming Ryan, Yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty much, pretty much. It's worth a shot, though, I
Speaker 2: think everything's worth a shot. I mean, try it. Nothing's
Speaker 2: worked so far. Let's keep trying new stuff. Stay tuned
Speaker 2: for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will
Speaker 2: be right back. After these messages.
Speaker 1: There is the first written submission.
Speaker 2: Would you like to have that one?
Speaker 3: Bobo? Sure?
Speaker 4: Jim Towner, I have an eight Canyon question. Don't you
Speaker 4: think that these creatures really wanted to break into the cabin?
Speaker 3: They could have.
Speaker 4: I would think they could have easily, well, not easy,
Speaker 4: because this cabin was built to survive avalanches and heavy,
Speaker 4: heavy snowfall. Then there's like lou obviously there's loose rocks
Speaker 4: on that hillside. So they built that thing last. I mean,
Speaker 4: it was not like they were slapped together cap but
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 3: Like a fortress. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the photographs that we have of it that a
Speaker 2: surfaced in twenty twenty four indicate that they you know,
Speaker 2: it looks to me like they use pretty much whole
Speaker 2: logs as the walls, not like, you know, they didn't
Speaker 2: cut them into two by sixes or something. You know,
Speaker 2: they used logs like and they're big, like two feet
Speaker 2: in diameter, sorted logs. You know, I'm not sure how
Speaker 2: easy that would be, depending on how sturdily they made it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, they probably could have got
Speaker 2: in through the ventilation shaft on the top. They were
Speaker 2: certainly throwing rocks onto that. You can see the damage
Speaker 2: in some of these photographs that are on display at
Speaker 2: the North American big Foot Center. And the reporter who
Speaker 2: went up there, I forget his name, he reported that
Speaker 2: the one of the animals at least seems to have
Speaker 2: tried to dig underneath the foundational beams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said one did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I don't know I mean breaking. Could
Speaker 2: they have broken in I think probably they could. Could
Speaker 2: they have done so easily, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know about easily. I think that's the keyword one of
Speaker 2: your questions here, because that cabin looks pretty sturdy to me,
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe it wasn't. But I had to
Speaker 2: be pretty sturdy because it stood until least the seventies
Speaker 2: I think. And when Bobby, Iimmen and Roger went up there,
Speaker 2: Bob I think, gave an interview to Mark Marcel, and
Speaker 2: if I recall correctly, Bob said that the ceiling was
Speaker 2: kind of falling in on itself at the time, But
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't even know. They probably
Speaker 2: could have seen it, I guess from the trail, but
Speaker 2: how they would have gotten down there is beyond me too,
Speaker 2: though I don't know. That's a pretty gnarly place. But
Speaker 2: also keep in mind that the guys were terrified, Like
Speaker 2: the miners who were there were absolutely terrified. When you
Speaker 2: read their account, you probably have to take into consideration
Speaker 2: that there's going to be some exaggeration because of that fear.
Speaker 2: Maybe the Sasquatches were just all doing an intimidation displaying
Speaker 2: banging and throwing rocks and banging on the outside and
Speaker 2: throwing rocks at it, and you know, doing what they
Speaker 2: did and weren't actually trying to get in. Maybe they're
Speaker 2: just expressing displeasure of them being there and having killed
Speaker 2: one of their you know folks there, the fellow Bigfoot folks,
Speaker 2: don't really know that they were trying to get in,
Speaker 2: to be fair, because we have to assume there's exaggeration,
Speaker 2: because those guys were absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 1: What it seems like in a lot of those cases,
Speaker 1: the impacts on the cabin usually result in people going
Speaker 1: outside to look, and then things get quiet and there's
Speaker 1: a standoff outside of you know, this quiet standing and staring,
Speaker 1: and then they go back inside and it resumes like
Speaker 1: you hear that with a gazillion witnesses, and that was
Speaker 1: almost always the case in the old compound area X.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like maybe that's the intention is just
Speaker 1: to flush to get people to come outside where they're visible.
Speaker 1: Whether it's to observe them or keep an eye on them,
Speaker 1: or get them outside maybe where they're vulnerable. Who knows,
Speaker 1: but it seems like maybe the intention is just to
Speaker 1: encourage the humans to go outside where they're now visible
Speaker 1: and in eyesight, and it's not about trying to get
Speaker 1: in at.
Speaker 3: All that's possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I would wonder if that's the evolutionary
Speaker 1: trajectory of throwing rocks in some of these cases is
Speaker 1: not necessarily to hit targets. But just like if you're
Speaker 1: hunting deer and you approach a thicket and you know
Speaker 1: that there's deer in there, but you can't see them.
Speaker 1: You know, you took a couple of rocks, and then
Speaker 1: they'll come busting out, and now they're visible, you know
Speaker 1: where they are again, and you can grab one in
Speaker 1: or at least now you have eyes on the target.
Speaker 1: Like it's about flushing and getting things to move rather
Speaker 1: than trying to hit them or hurt them or kill them,
Speaker 1: dispatch them whatever.
Speaker 2: They might explain why sasquatches don't tend to hit people
Speaker 2: with rocks, but they's have them land nearby. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like to help encourage them to move along their way.
Speaker 4: Perhaps they did have that bad it and they were
Speaker 4: throwing rocks and they weren't hitting us, not on purpose.
Speaker 2: They'd hit us more, but they're just trying to get
Speaker 2: us out of the area. Maybe that's clumsy communication for that.
Speaker 4: No, I know, but I'm just saying I think they
Speaker 4: still have a pretty good aim because they don't hit us.
Speaker 4: There's this totally round that hit us I think more often. Oh,
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree. I think them not hitting us
Speaker 4: is evidence of them probably having pretty good aim. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying and agree.
Speaker 2: Thank you, No, thank you, Bobo.
Speaker 3: What else we got? Prot me grab the next one
Speaker 3: for you here.
Speaker 1: We've answered questions along this line before, but they come
Speaker 1: in a lot, so it's always worth revisiting.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 2: And this question comes from Barry Cullip. How can I
Speaker 2: get an autograph photo of Cliff, Bobo and Matt. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: Next time we get together.
Speaker 4: We got to take a picture all together and then
Speaker 4: then we can sign a bunch of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely need to do that. We need to
Speaker 1: get something printed out and get a bunch of copies
Speaker 1: and just sign them all. I think we can make
Speaker 1: that happen this year because I will be coming up
Speaker 1: to the Northwest at some point, so we need to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get together do a live
Speaker 1: podcast in person, sitting around the same microphone in the
Speaker 1: same room, get some good video content, et cetera. Sign
Speaker 1: some things. But yeah, otherwise, Barry, we have been asked
Speaker 1: this before, but since Cliff's in Oregon, Bobo's in California,
Speaker 1: I'm in Tennessee, it's not easy to coordinate that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess we could probably get something printed up and
Speaker 1: have it shipped to me, and then I could sign
Speaker 1: them all and then ship it to Cliff. You can
Speaker 1: sign them all and ship them to Bobo, at which
Speaker 1: point we would hope that the chaos of the Bobes
Speaker 1: would not have them lost in transit or in the
Speaker 1: mail or something like that.
Speaker 4: We'll let's all get together in Portland and like go
Speaker 4: to the museum or something, take some pictures and then
Speaker 4: get them printed, right, you know, just get them print
Speaker 4: it up right away and then we can sign just
Speaker 4: sign them all there that same weekend or whatever.
Speaker 1: That I would love to do. It'd be a great
Speaker 1: excuse to get together. I think that's probably the best bat.
Speaker 3: We gotta do to sign autographs. They can sound all important.
Speaker 1: It's really important, Babe, I gotta go.
Speaker 3: It's for the people.
Speaker 1: But we do get that question a lot. People are
Speaker 1: often asking for signed Cliff and Bobo regalia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not a lot of that out there. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have reluctantly put because my employees asked me they'd
Speaker 2: be a good it, told me it would be a
Speaker 2: good idea. I reluctantly put out some autograph pictures of
Speaker 2: me on the shelf, and they sell, they probably say
Speaker 2: a couple of week or something like that. So I'm
Speaker 2: kind of surprised that there's a demand for them at all, honestly,
Speaker 2: but I can see how somebody might be asking that.
Speaker 1: But of all of.
Speaker 2: Us, all three together, God, there's I do can't even think.
Speaker 2: Are there photographs of all three of us together? Almost none.
Speaker 1: I only have a handful. I have some from when
Speaker 1: we were at the family of the Finding Bigfoot episode
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen outside of oak Ridge, and I have
Speaker 1: some of the three of us, like from various bits
Speaker 1: of Finding Bigfoot that I worked on. And then the
Speaker 1: last time was yeah, twenty twenty one at the Ohio conference.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I there are photographs of all of us,
Speaker 2: so I can be sure that you're not actually Bobo
Speaker 2: then Matt or vice versa.
Speaker 4: All right, well, we got another one here from John Height.
Speaker 4: I've recently introduced my kids to Bigfoot. We have been
Speaker 4: watching Finding Bigfoot. My ten year old wants to believe it,
Speaker 4: it's skeptical. My eight year old doesn't, but I've found
Speaker 4: her outside of doing house and Yelle's trying to call
Speaker 4: them in.
Speaker 3: My four year old.
Speaker 4: Anytime we see a jack links beef tricky to display,
Speaker 4: she yells it's bigfoot and runs over and punches the display.
Speaker 4: We're in southeast North Dakota, and here's what there a
Speaker 4: been Any settings of encounter or encounters in the state
Speaker 4: that you know of? Also, are there any book, movie
Speaker 4: show recommendations for kids I should look into for them?
Speaker 2: Yes, South Dakota sidings are a few and far between.
Speaker 3: North Dakota.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, forgive me out. North Dakota sidings
Speaker 2: are few and far between. South Dakota is kind of
Speaker 2: a lot, actually, but North Dakota is a tough one.
Speaker 2: But they're probably up in there. I have had a
Speaker 2: few things come in over the years, not that many,
Speaker 2: though not that many. I'll pull up my file real
Speaker 2: fast and take a look at how many reports I have,
Speaker 2: but I know it's not that many. BFRO I think
Speaker 2: would be the best resource for that, or you know,
Speaker 2: maybe a bigfoot mapping project or something like that.
Speaker 3: North Dakota.
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't Oh wait, these are footprints that I
Speaker 2: have zero footprint casts from North Dakota. So let's see
Speaker 2: what I have here for sightings. I have three. So
Speaker 2: not a lot going on out there, but there's some stuff.
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of North Dakota.
Speaker 4: There's one that submitted twenty twelve for Cliff out of
Speaker 4: Morton County.
Speaker 3: Let's see, like over half of all the reports from
Speaker 3: North Dakota.
Speaker 4: Come in from dun County. L'a moree and Mackenzie and
Speaker 4: McLean each have like three or four something. What in
Speaker 4: the BFR database, I don't see things besides class BS
Speaker 4: or most of them are we're never investigated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, I don't think the BFRO has anybody
Speaker 2: out there. No why there's not a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: comes in from there, but some some I mean there's
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm confident there's some sasquatches out there, but
Speaker 2: you know, with nobody out there looking, how do we know?
Speaker 1: What do you think the best kids book for sasquatch
Speaker 1: is the Laura Krantz book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, depends on the age level. Depends on the age level.
Speaker 2: I think for older readers, like the ten year old,
Speaker 2: didn't say you have a ten year old and eight
Speaker 2: year old, they're probably about kind of you know, as
Speaker 2: they grow older, they're gonna zero went on their reading
Speaker 2: level together. I think I think the Laura Krantz book
Speaker 2: is fantastic. Definitely get that. And then I think the
Speaker 2: Finding big Foot book isn't that bad either, honestly for
Speaker 2: a young reader thing especially, Yeah, it's not bad. It's
Speaker 2: not bad at all. They did a pretty good job
Speaker 2: on that one. For the younger reader, that the very
Speaker 2: young one. There's a bunch of children's books that are
Speaker 2: really good, like I particularly like a Bigfoot Cinderrella. That's
Speaker 2: a really good one, and I have to say it
Speaker 2: like that because that's how it's written. There's some other
Speaker 2: children's books for the youngest. Among them, one of my
Speaker 2: favorite that we sell in the museum there is Get
Speaker 2: Dressed Sasquatch. It's adorable. It's like one of those like
Speaker 2: very like the toddler sort of books that have like
Speaker 2: the thick cardboard sort of paper. It's one of those books.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, those are probably the ones off the
Speaker 2: top of my head that I would recommend. There's a book,
Speaker 2: you know, a bigfoot in me own words. Don't get
Speaker 2: that one. It looks like it's a children's book, but
Speaker 2: it's not. It's very very funny, but it is not
Speaker 2: a children's book. Oh you know what you should get?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent what you should get. Doctor Meldrum published
Speaker 2: a series of children's activity books about housequatch stuff and
Speaker 2: they're just fantastics auple. A couple of them have the
Speaker 2: sheet of stickers that come with them. Oh gosh, Well
Speaker 2: was the name of those, But.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the name either. But I will put
Speaker 1: the links to all those in the show notes because
Speaker 1: those are great. But yeah, I don't remember the name
Speaker 1: right now either. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's something very weird and nerdy like Relati Hominoid
Speaker 2: Activity Book or something like that. Yeah, those are great ones.
Speaker 1: You should get those, and I will link to all
Speaker 1: those in the show notes. So did you find those
Speaker 1: activity booklets?
Speaker 3: Cliff?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 1: I found.
Speaker 2: The Yowie addition was the first one that I ran across,
Speaker 2: but there's other ones. Here's there's an a ring Pindeck
Speaker 2: addition as well. I'll just click on that one. The
Speaker 2: general title is Doctor Jeff Meldrum's Relative Hominoid Fun and
Speaker 2: Learning Activity Workbook. Yeah, and they're pretty awesome that they
Speaker 2: have got a wonderful illustrator. I'm actually a series of them,
Speaker 2: I believe, and some have stickers, and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of reading and puzzles and may like the kind of
Speaker 2: thing where you'd open up and do a jigs not
Speaker 2: a jigsaw puzzle, but a word search on one page
Speaker 2: and like a maze on another and fun factoids. Stay
Speaker 2: tuned for more big Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: There are two more questions from the listenership here. Here
Speaker 1: is the next one for you, Cliff.
Speaker 2: Okay, this one's from Nicole Trainel or Trenelle. Perhaps I
Speaker 2: was recently trekking in Nepal to Everest Base Camp and
Speaker 2: was excited to ask the locals about the yetti. My
Speaker 2: guide said he did believe in the YETI, as he
Speaker 2: saw a track way while clearing the trail for trekkers
Speaker 2: after a thirty six hour snowstorm several years ago. He
Speaker 2: also guided me to the same monastery that was visited
Speaker 2: in finding Bigfoot to see the Yeti skull in hand there.
Speaker 2: I was surprised that the hair on the skull was
Speaker 2: brown and not white. My question is do you think
Speaker 2: that there are white yetti or do you think they
Speaker 2: can change color such as snowshoe cares or Arctic fox
Speaker 2: does seasonally. Also, the upper elevations in that area are
Speaker 2: extremely desolate. Do you think they do live above the
Speaker 2: tree line and the snow in a way that we
Speaker 2: would think of when we were thinking of the yetti?
Speaker 2: It seems there is not much to sustain them in
Speaker 2: that environment. Thank you all for all you do. You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bobo, welcome. There's our next sticker, Bigfoot and beyond.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bobo.
Speaker 3: I love it. Let's get a thousand of those printed immediately. Nice. Nice.
Speaker 2: So yeah, a couple things you brought up, a couple
Speaker 2: interesting things, and I'm sure Bob will have much to
Speaker 2: say about it as well, because we've been there. First
Speaker 2: of all, the yetti skull that was there that that
Speaker 2: is a replica, Just so everybody knows that the hand
Speaker 2: and the skull are now replicas created by Wetta workshops
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, the same special effects company that did
Speaker 2: The Lord of the Rings and a bunch of other movies.
Speaker 2: But because the original hand and scalp were s by
Speaker 2: trekkers by hikers, probably in about nineteen ninety four if
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, so those are replicas because that was
Speaker 2: the main way that the monastery made any money, by
Speaker 2: charging tourists like a dollar to go see them and
Speaker 2: get blessed basically, So that was that. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the original also had brown hair on it, but also
Speaker 2: the original was some sort of goat that lives up there.
Speaker 2: They actually tested the hair and found out it was
Speaker 2: actually goat hair of some sort. But that doesn't take
Speaker 2: away from your other question, or that point doesn't take
Speaker 2: away from your actual question, which is ari Yetti's white. No,
Speaker 2: they're not white, they're brown. They're brown and black. And
Speaker 2: are there white ones? Probably like yeah, red ones. They
Speaker 2: basically had the same variety of hair color as humans do,
Speaker 2: or you know, a lot of the other rape species
Speaker 2: really do. But are there white ones, I guess probably
Speaker 2: gray or coyote or light color blonde or something. There's
Speaker 2: probably that kind of stuff too, But like sasquatches, they
Speaker 2: seem to be darker in color and also like Sasquatches,
Speaker 2: they don't. I don't think they live above the snow
Speaker 2: line so much. Those tracks that kind of gave birth
Speaker 2: to the abominable snowman myth and all that stuff. We're
Speaker 2: found by people trying to conquer these mountains, you know,
Speaker 2: conquer this peak or that peak where there's Everest or
Speaker 2: whatever other mountains are up there, and so they would
Speaker 2: run across strange tracks in the snow while climbing up.
Speaker 2: But most, in my opinion, most of the yetties actually
Speaker 2: live in the in the lush valleys in between those
Speaker 2: saddles that they are. These tracks are generally found on
Speaker 2: usually the mountain climbers headed to the top of the
Speaker 2: mountain going up a saddle like a low point between
Speaker 2: two valleys, and the footprints are in the snow going
Speaker 2: from one valley to another. There'sn't, like, like you pointed out,
Speaker 2: there's there's barely any food, so why would they be
Speaker 2: up there. Yeah, there's lichens, and there's probably rodents and
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff the rock faces.
Speaker 3: With those certain minerals, they can get up there in abundance.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, but I would I would think that
Speaker 2: the majority of the food items will be down below
Speaker 2: in the valleys.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's where I think that's probably where they spend
Speaker 2: most of the time. There's no reason to think that
Speaker 2: they change colors that no other primate does. But that
Speaker 2: doesn't you know, mean much. I guess when we're dealing
Speaker 2: with unknowns like we are. But I don't think that
Speaker 2: they're generally up in those kinds of zones because the
Speaker 2: food isn't there, and being perfectly normal animals, they need food, water,
Speaker 2: and cover, all three of which are in abundance at
Speaker 2: the lower elevations. Gosh, I mean you did some camping
Speaker 2: out in Nepol and Bobo. It's basically a temperate jungle.
Speaker 4: It's sub tropical rainforest up to like eight thousand that
Speaker 4: can get up to and then temperate rainforest up to
Speaker 4: like eleven thousand. Yeah, we were up pretty high and
Speaker 4: it was it was, you know, hot during the day.
Speaker 4: It's kind of it was real lush, wet. There's plenty
Speaker 4: of food for him.
Speaker 2: Didn't remind you the Pacific Northwest with all the rhododendrons
Speaker 2: and ferns and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the rediindants were on steroids that there are so
Speaker 4: much bigger than the ones we get though. They said
Speaker 4: it that when those the fullowers will be like two
Speaker 4: to three feet across diameter. Wow, tip of the petal,
Speaker 4: tip of the pealt like when they in that thick
Speaker 4: part where we were like blow that lake we went
Speaker 4: up to. They said it against like need to fly
Speaker 4: deep in flowers when they start dropping.
Speaker 3: My goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the whole mythology about the white yetti
Speaker 2: is a combination of the name the Abominable snowman, you know,
Speaker 2: emphasis being on snowman, and also the the bumble from
Speaker 2: the Rudolph animated show you know, back in like their
Speaker 2: late sixties early seventies, whenever that thing was made. That
Speaker 2: that's what really started this whole idea that these things
Speaker 2: were white. You see read the reports are not white,
Speaker 2: the reports are. There's the brown sasquatch like ape things.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's inspired by the polar bear, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: bears that live in forests are black and brown, and
Speaker 1: bears that live in the snow are white. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that probably to do with it extrapolated over to that.
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember the the real translation because
Speaker 1: you know, the story with that was that the local
Speaker 1: name I think was Meto Kanni, which means something snowman,
Speaker 1: and so there was like a it's not really a typo,
Speaker 1: but like almost like a printing error.
Speaker 2: It's like a mistranslation. It was the filthy snowman.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well when they they I guess telegrammed or telegraphed it
Speaker 1: over it was Mech. The O got changed to a C,
Speaker 1: and so it was Mech king me instead of Meto.
Speaker 1: Som E t O H got changed to m E
Speaker 1: T c H. And the closest thing to Mech was
Speaker 1: something like filthy, And so the British, instead of saying
Speaker 1: filthy said abominable. You know, it's very it's much more
Speaker 1: British and erudite. But I can't remember offhand now what
Speaker 1: meto means, but it's something like, you know, large or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think one of the earlier one,
Speaker 2: like one of those means like rock bear or something
Speaker 2: to that effect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about king Me that's like the you know,
Speaker 1: man of the of the snows or something like that,
Speaker 1: and so that's why it was snow man. But I
Speaker 1: don't remember. I have to go back and look, I
Speaker 1: think it was Colonel Howard Berry. I had a whole
Speaker 1: section of that that I was going to include in
Speaker 1: the Phenomenal Sasquatch because obviously, like the precursor to the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot in America's consciousness was the American consciousness of the yetty.
Speaker 1: But it was such a long section. I was like, Ah,
Speaker 1: this doesn't necessarily have to be here other than like
Speaker 1: a quick reference. But that's where i'd really done a
Speaker 1: deep dive into a lot of that. But now the
Speaker 1: original translation of the word meto is escaping me. What's
Speaker 1: really interesting when you read that, you know, these are
Speaker 1: obviously Asiatic peoples. There's a similar indigenous name for Sasquatches
Speaker 1: in California that is almost exactly meto kangmi hmm.
Speaker 2: That is odd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll find that and dig it up and send
Speaker 1: it to you and post it for pigeons, because I've
Speaker 1: got all that in notes somewhere. But it's almost exactly,
Speaker 1: and it's split into two words that are like phonetically
Speaker 1: almost exactly that, which I thought, well, that's pretty interesting
Speaker 1: that maybe that survived, you know, the transmission of humans
Speaker 1: from Asia and in North America, and that that etymologically
Speaker 1: might have the exact same source. But anyway, here is
Speaker 1: the final question for the January Q and A.
Speaker 4: All right, we got final one from Scott Digerleie. What's up, Scott?
Speaker 4: He's a Loyal Listeners contributor. If you were to write
Speaker 4: your memoir, what would the title be? Any sample of
Speaker 4: the chapter titles that would be included? Feel like, for
Speaker 4: Bobo at least one chapter, which title would be? I
Speaker 4: fought Bruce Horesby and didn't even know it. Never thought
Speaker 4: that was a title. That'd just be like one quick story.
Speaker 1: That'd be a chapter title, he's saying.
Speaker 3: Or it could be celebrities I fought and didn't know it.
Speaker 1: Celebrities. I have bested the James Bobo face story.
Speaker 4: I knocked Vince Neil back at Recycled Records for most
Speaker 4: of the beach when he just started getting like famous
Speaker 4: and stuff. He's running like these platform shoes. He was
Speaker 4: all strutting around, and he came stomping down the like
Speaker 4: in the isle on the records, like and there's this
Speaker 4: little record store right there.
Speaker 3: And he kind of banged into me when he went by.
Speaker 4: And when we were crossing pass again, he like he's
Speaker 4: like bowed up, you know, his chest, sticking out his
Speaker 4: arms kind of like flexing, you know, and like like
Speaker 4: like full swagger like on cock of the walk, you know,
Speaker 4: like on the alpha here. And I was like, right, dude,
Speaker 4: I just I just kept walking straight, didn't showing my
Speaker 4: shoulders like the go away like last time. I didn't
Speaker 4: make any roofform. We just ran into each other, like
Speaker 4: walking kind of quickly each and he just bounced off.
Speaker 3: He was a little dude.
Speaker 1: I think if I was to write a Sasquatch memoir,
Speaker 1: this just occurred to me, I would title it. I
Speaker 1: thought this would be easier and the chapter twos would
Speaker 1: be like, oops, my bad. What I should have done was, oh,
Speaker 1: that's how that works. That would be my memoir.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have no idea what I would name mine.
Speaker 2: I think a memoir because I'm the least interesting thing
Speaker 2: that I would write about.
Speaker 1: If I was your editors, since I am your audio
Speaker 1: editor and I know your classic phrases no pun intended,
Speaker 1: I think cliffs would have to be called my sense
Speaker 1: of time is elastic, yeah yeah, and Bobo's would just
Speaker 1: be called like either classic or for sure.
Speaker 2: I can think of a Bobo's title if I were
Speaker 2: to help out with that'd be being Bobo.
Speaker 3: Being Bobo by James fay No.
Speaker 2: Being Bobo.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is a good title.
Speaker 3: What being Bobo by James fay.
Speaker 2: No, Being Bobo Being Bobo.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like, you know, being the Hulk by
Speaker 1: Bruce Banner. Like these two personalities. It's like we're asking
Speaker 1: the normal person, James, what is it like to be
Speaker 1: the mythological character Bobo.
Speaker 3: That's how I was seeing it.
Speaker 1: And speaking of the Bruce Hornsby reference, you know, I
Speaker 1: posted those thumbnails. I guess for the main listeners. They
Speaker 1: haven't heard about it, but well we touched on a
Speaker 1: little bit. But there's a bunch of these great AI
Speaker 1: videos out there telling Bobo's life story, the quote unquote
Speaker 1: truth about Bobo, and they have these amazing thumbnails of
Speaker 1: Bobo in all these various situations. So I posted those
Speaker 1: for pigeons and one Wie was like, these are hilarious.
Speaker 1: I can only believe that Bruce Hornsby's behind all these.
Speaker 4: We should have people right in with their Bruce Mersey's
Speaker 4: jackass stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do a parody, will be like Hornsby chronicles like,
Speaker 1: if you've had an encounter with Bruce Hornsby, shoot us
Speaker 1: an email. Our email address is so Tonight's guest is Steve. Steve,
Speaker 1: you ran into Bruce Hornsby. Walk us through the encounter,
Speaker 1: what happened and what were you doing?
Speaker 4: That would replace encounters with money maker stories for me,
Speaker 4: it's my favorite.
Speaker 1: We need a whole intro that's a similar parody of
Speaker 1: Sasquatch chronicles. You know where it's like.
Speaker 3: Nine one wonder what are you reporting? Get somebody out here.
Speaker 1: Bruce Hornsby's in my arm. I'm looking right at it.
Speaker 3: A don Cap fund of the fence dead.
Speaker 1: He's flicking his newspaper in my face.
Speaker 3: Get somebody out here. He's about six or four, I
Speaker 3: don't know, you know what.
Speaker 1: Because that was a member's only episode. Here's what I'll do.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying this out louds all remind myself as
Speaker 1: I'm editing this. So instead of re releasing a classics
Speaker 1: for you lovely listeners, I'm going to re release this
Speaker 1: members only episode because they're not gonna know what we're
Speaker 1: talking about. Bobo has an epic Bruce Hornsby story, and
Speaker 1: I'll put it out so as you're hearing this on Monday,
Speaker 1: you'll hear the Bruce Hornsby story on Friday, So enjoy that, folks.
Speaker 3: If you if you got any stories about it being
Speaker 3: a jerk, let us know.
Speaker 1: Imagine if we get more reports of that, then we
Speaker 1: do sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the.
Speaker 1: Pigeon, shall we roll over to the member side of
Speaker 1: the equation and answer questions from the pigeonry?
Speaker 3: Sure sounds good.
Speaker 2: Let's roll over and get our belly scratched.
Speaker 4: All right, folks, we're gonna roll over to the pigeon
Speaker 4: section now or Patreon, well, can you continue the discussion?
Speaker 4: But thanks for joining us. Everyone's having a good, happy
Speaker 4: New year, and had you had a holiday season? And
Speaker 4: until next week, y'all keep it squatchy.
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