WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites. So like Shay, subscribe and 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:16.199 raid it stuck s me. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.920 Gregous, go on yes today and listening watching. 5 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:24.879 Always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:33.159 Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. 8 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:34.759 How are you doing? My friend? All right? How's it 9 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:36.880 going with you? All right? All right? 10 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.960 Mostly thrilled that the holidays are over? 11 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:42.000 Really I am. 12 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:45.280 Yeah, it's an exhausting time between Thanksgiving and New Year's. 13 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:46.719 Yeah, it is a killer. 14 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.679 It is great. It is great, but you know, at 15 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:50.719 some point you got to sleep. 16 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:55.280 Okay, mine was great. What I get? 17 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:58.759 I got a I got a bed sheet like this, 18 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.439 like a couple of bed sheets like well, it's like 19 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.120 a bathtub kind of basically like you know, it's got 20 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.200 four walls and a bottom piece all attached, and then 21 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:07.760 it's got a zip bergeres on the all the way 22 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.359 around the top. You just you just zip on these 23 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.519 sheets and you can put on like satin or cotton 24 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.040 or flannel whatever and they zip on top of that. 25 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:16.239 Way. 26 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:19.239 You never little because I always I always dealing with 27 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:21.439 the corners coming up, like the whole sheet getting loose, 28 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.159 you know, and it starts balling up and stuff. 29 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.159 So this'll totally prevent that. I'm stoked. 30 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:27.719 No sheet, No. 31 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:29.400 There's a sheet, but it zips on them off the top. 32 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:29.959 There's like that. 33 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:33.120 It's basically like a like a bin, like a you know, 34 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:35.400 it's just got it's got a it's got a bottom piece, 35 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:37.200 and then the sidewalls that go around the sides of 36 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:39.519 the mattress at the top of those they stop at 37 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.480 the top level of the mattress and you zip it. 38 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.200 You just zip the mattress, the top mattress piece on 39 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.239 in and out, so you just change that out and 40 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.079 just wash that and the rest of it you just 41 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:49.480 leave on there and it never comes off. 42 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:50.680 You're seating me. 43 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:52.400 Yeah, I'm not. 44 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:00.719 Rad well, good man, nothing like a good comfortable sleep exactly. Oh, 45 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:03.239 speaking of witch, So we got a cat. 46 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:04.920 Yeah? 47 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:06.319 How annoying are cats? 48 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:06.560 Man? 49 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:10.680 Almost as annoying as there as your female counterpart talking 50 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:11.159 about them. 51 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:16.439 You know, he's adorable, et cetera. You know, it's nice 52 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.919 to have an animal in the house. I enjoy it. 53 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.199 But man, what is this up? What is up with 54 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.520 a two am wake up call? Every morning of her 55 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:27.000 eh ah, for god knows what reason. 56 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:28.639 Let's go out and take a leak. 57 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:31.599 No a cat go outside to take a shirt. It does, 58 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:33.360 but I'm not gonna let it go outside. It did 59 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:35.479 escape once. We actually left the door open and we 60 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:37.759 weren't looking, and it was on the logging road next 61 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:39.639 to the house in a matter of a minute. 62 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.240 You get eaten pretty fast out there. 63 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.039 Oh yeah, it's it's an albino cat, like a bright 64 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:48.240 white cat out where we live. It wouldn't last more 65 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:49.039 than a couple of days. 66 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:50.919 Oh so you got to live with kitty litter in 67 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:51.360 the house. 68 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.120 Yeah, yeah, none of that's very bad. It's just that 69 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:56.520 yowling at two am that's bothered me at the moment. 70 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.240 But Cliff, I'm gonna do you a big both of us, 71 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.400 a big favor. I'm going to have Cree to call 72 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:05.000 Mel so they could commiserate and change cat ideas, talk 73 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.319 about their cats days. 74 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:08.599 Then you and I can talk about Bigfoot. 75 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:09.719 There you go. 76 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.280 Yeah, and spirit We spare each other and then they're 77 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.199 happy because they're listening to each other. 78 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:18.360 Listen, we can we can have them co host a 79 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:20.960 cat mom podcast. I'll produce it. We can put it 80 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.759 on the bigfoot and beyond network and we all win. 81 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:28.719 We'll proceeds. Yeah, you guys have a cat, Well, I 82 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:32.120 feed this one stray outdoor cat, so he's kind of 83 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.199 like our cat, but he's he's an outdoor cat. 84 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.319 So cretic and coachure on how to entertain it and 85 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:36.919 bring it in. 86 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.800 Yeah, well we'll have Emily be a you know, the 87 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.400 first guest that has questions for the expert hosts. 88 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.240 Yeah, but yeah, changing from dog to cat mode is 89 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.759 a big, big stretch man. It's insane for me because 90 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.159 the cat's name is Casper. But it doesn't matter. It 91 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:57.599 doesn't acknowledge that you're even saying the word. You know, 92 00:03:57.719 --> 00:03:59.680 it has no idea or it doesn't care. 93 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:00.479 You know. 94 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:02.479 This is like like why why even name the thing? 95 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:04.960 I guess we name the things so Melissa and I 96 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:07.120 can talk about it and know what we're talking about. 97 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:09.560 But as far as a cat's you don't. Here's here's 98 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:12.159 my big takeaway so far about owning a cat. We 99 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.960 don't own a cat. There's a cat that lives here. Yeah, 100 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:17.720 that's the big thing, Like, we don't own it. It's 101 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:21.360 not ours, you know, we're only there for it's convenience 102 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:24.000 when it when it feels like it. Basically, there's there's 103 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.839 another animal that lives in the house that we that 104 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:27.519 we support. 105 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.560 Cats are pretty joyful. Though they're fun. They can be mischievous, 106 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.959 which is quite entertaining. But yeah, most of the time 107 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.839 they're just aloof and apathetic like me. 108 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:39.360 Maybe that's why I'm having trouble with it. 109 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:41.600 You guys look at each other's are coming pilot and 110 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:42.839 erect and hissing at each other. 111 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:46.920 Yeah, you have met your animal counterparts. 112 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.399 Yeah, it's a self loathing that makes me uncomfortable with it. 113 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:52.439 Now. 114 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:54.399 But it's cool, don't get me wrong. It is adorable, 115 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:57.800 it's cool. It's really weird, very very strange animals to 116 00:04:57.800 --> 00:04:59.360 me because I'm not I've always had dogs and that 117 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.959 never had a cat. Very unusual behaviors and mannerisms, and 118 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.759 I just don't understand him at all. That's fine, I 119 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.160 don't need to understand everything. I'm okay with the lack 120 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:11.040 of resolution. But he's adorable and cool and stuff. But 121 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.079 at the same time, it's like, yeah, I don't think I've. 122 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:16.079 Ever seen a picture of JUNI maybe we should post 123 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.120 one for the pigeons. And I'll post a picture of 124 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.519 our cat. There's a bunch of neighborhood cats, so on 125 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.160 the outdoor cameras we see him all the time. So 126 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.560 maybe I'll post a pic of a couple of these beasties. 127 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.560 Cliff can submit some picks of Casper and Bobo. You 128 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:30.399 needed some Juni picks, Well. 129 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:31.879 There's about ten thousand of those. 130 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:35.079 Bobo Lament's Judy. But if you're not a member, you 131 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:36.279 want to have heard this. But we were doing a 132 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.639 members episode one time, Bobo kept stopping to go chase 133 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.600 away evil neighborhood cats with a super soaker to defend 134 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:44.480 sweet Juni. 135 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.000 Oh yeah, I love Juny, but I mean it's not 136 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:49.639 the center of my life like some people. 137 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:53.279 Your cat picks folks. 138 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.160 Yeah, we'll just transition from way from Bigfoot. We'll just 139 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:58.560 do a cat podcast. 140 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.079 From now on. We get such a bigger audience, that's true. 141 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:02.000 That's true. 142 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.240 I feel like we'd get an angrier audience. 143 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:07.879 So I went down to visit Michael and his wife 144 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.319 from the Mysterious Michael episode. What was it called the 145 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:11.800 Mysterious Michael episode. 146 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:14.759 For Michael's Mysterious Neighbors was the name of the episode. 147 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.160 Okay, yeah, they're down in San Diego now, and I 148 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.680 went down and visited him and yeah, it was cool. 149 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:22.920 It was We went to check that Spotware Cliff where 150 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.399 that wild Animal Park seighting was. 151 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:26.480 Uh huh. We went to recon that. 152 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:28.759 We did some hiking around areas near there, like check 153 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.079 out like possible travel routes and it's kind of we 154 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:32.720 got went in too, like an elevated position like the 155 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.560 highest well not the highest, but a higher elevation pointing 156 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.560 around there and got a lad of the valley could 157 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.800 toy see the travel out corridors and it toy linked 158 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.160 toy made sense with the Brian Brian from San Diego. 159 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.439 I'm not sure enough so that was but Brian's property 160 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.600 there in northeast San Diego. That was like in a 161 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:51.279 kind of line with it all. 162 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:52.160 It was. 163 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:54.480 It was pretty interesting, but we just felt like now 164 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.639 we're so ways start ted. We're trying to squatchire because 165 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:00.800 it's such a huge area and it was stormy, was 166 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.800 blowing like it was heavy stand on the windsow was 167 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:04.839 blowing like thirty to fifty up there in the canyons, 168 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:06.920 and there was some like eighty nine eighty by an 169 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.079 hour guests that night up to ninety five, I guess 170 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.079 over the ridgetops and so it's just. 171 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:12.439 Like we're not we're not gonna mean to look out 172 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:14.720 there trying to go squatching. So we just sat. 173 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.920 We just kicked inside and watched tons of on YouTube, 174 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:22.399 Todd Prescott's Sasquatch. 175 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.000 What is it, Sasquatch Archives. 176 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:25.920 Yeah, Sasquatch Archives. 177 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:27.879 Yeah, because I didn't watched I didn't watched that for 178 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:29.800 like probably a month and a half or two months. 179 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:32.279 We watched so much stuff that plays. That thing is 180 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:33.000 so awesome. 181 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:36.040 And then one of their favorite ones that Sailor Sasquatch 182 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.680 the Browns. Dude, that's that's a great one. Then I 183 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:41.959 was going back through some old Charlie Kentucky Big for 184 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.079 research and there's some great witness interviews I've never seen 185 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.040 before on there, like old ones. 186 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:48.319 Oh yeah, yeah, he does. 187 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.040 He spends a lot of time interviewing witnesses on camera 188 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.240 with their permission, of course, and posting that sort of stuff. So, yeah, 189 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.560 if you're into witness this accounts Charlie's page is great. Yeah. 190 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:00.680 Yeah, And Sailors sasquatchin they cover all a lot of 191 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.959 you know, focus on witnesses where they they go on 192 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:03.680 other stuff too. 193 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:05.959 It's like I like those channels a lot. 194 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:08.279 Well, very good man, very good. You know there's some 195 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:09.959 decent stuff out there on YouTube. You just got to 196 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:12.079 know where to look. But there's how do you separate 197 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:15.240 the noise, you know, from from the quality stuff? Is 198 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:15.759 the problem? 199 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:16.759 I just did. 200 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.240 Yeah, you just did for everybody, say everybody's all save 201 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.079 everybody a lot of work there. Well, thank you boys, 202 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.120 we all know you. Yet another things, Sasquatch Archives. What 203 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.959 else did I have to say? Squad English, s A 204 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:29.560 L A I. 205 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:34.320 S H, Sailor's Sasquatch and kb R O links in 206 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.519 the show notes you thanks for We. 207 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.600 Put out another video this past week too. It's been 208 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.519 getting a lot of love. My favorite thing about it, Yeah, 209 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.320 the NABC. Of course we do monthly videos, and but 210 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:47.519 where we put the old ones out on another YouTube 211 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:49.879 page for everybody to enjoy, you know. And we put 212 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:51.720 one out where I took Shane Courson out to a 213 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:53.639 place called the Outer Rim and we came back with 214 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:55.440 like eight or nine foot print cast. It was great, 215 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:57.919 But in the middle of it there was this montage 216 00:08:57.919 --> 00:08:59.919 sort of thing and I just slapped one of my songs, 217 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:02.879 you know, over it and then I don't usually catch 218 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.039 this sort of stuff, but for whatever reason, I saw 219 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:07.399 there was a comment. It was one of the top comments, 220 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:09.240 is why, and it said, like, what's up with the 221 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:15.120 weird music? And it made me laugh because it's like yeah, yeah, 222 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.240 and it is kind of an oblique musical interlude. I 223 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.120 showed it to Melissa and she thought I was nuts 224 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.320 for putting it there, because like, you're at this dramatic 225 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.799 bigfoot thing and we're pulling casts and looking at footprints 226 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.120 in the ground, and she said it was like suddenly, 227 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:30.440 like a circus of monkeys came out out of the 228 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.159 woods and started like playing and juggling or something like that, 229 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.480 because the music mismatched the the visuals so much. But 230 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:39.279 I don't care. I think it's a good tune. 231 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.240 Isn't it the same piece of music we use in 232 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:41.720 our outro? 233 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.440 It is it is? It's called count Spatula. 234 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.200 So our listeners have heard it. I love that one 235 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.679 because when we first started doing the podcast, I wanted 236 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.919 some musical beds for different things, and you sent me 237 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:55.360 over a number of things and I heard that. I 238 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:56.919 was like, oh, this is because remember I had you 239 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.559 record the outro just into a microphone buyer self, like, 240 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:02.480 thanks for listening to this week's episode. If you like 241 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:04.960 what you heard, click blah blah blah blah. So then 242 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:06.600 I was looking for a piece of music to stick 243 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.000 that too, and I just thought that one was great 244 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.519 because no matter what, you know, if it's a dramatic 245 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.639 episode with a witness or you know, one of us 246 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.639 joking around that every time, it'll be bobo, you know, 247 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.000 keep it squatchy and then oh, you know all that 248 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:20.799 kind of stuff. 249 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:23.799 Yeah, I do have a The music that comes out 250 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:27.360 of me is a little quirky and angular, I do admit. Yeah, 251 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:29.840 Well I been out. I miss Christmas week. It's one 252 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:31.600 of those rare weeks where I just didn't get out, 253 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.679 you know, and the weather was crappy and in the 254 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.240 holiday and all that sort of stuff too. But I 255 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.639 did get out this past week, walked around a bit 256 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.360 and found absolutely nothing that's been on a dry street lately. 257 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.320 There's been nothing going on out there as far as 258 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.200 I can tell, although somebody did come into the museum yesterday. 259 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:46.919 I was in the shop yesterday for a few hours 260 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:50.240 and somebody came in. He's been working an area out 261 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.919 by Mount Saint Helen's and he came in with two 262 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:57.639 footprint casts that he obtained this past July, and they're 263 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.039 they're blobby and whatnot. But you know, I cast a 264 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:02.639 lot of blobby footprints, so I'm pretty good at deciphering 265 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:04.879 what I'm looking at. And you can see toes in 266 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:08.320 both of them to various extents. One of them has 267 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.360 they're both broken, so I showed them how to fix 268 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:13.039 them as well. That should help a little bit. But 269 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.639 I'm pretty positive those were sasquash tracks from the markings 270 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:20.600 I saw in them. Fourteen inches fourteen and a half 271 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:21.159 somewhere in there. 272 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:22.919 Oh well, I really could you tell? 273 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:25.799 Oh, I don't know, like five inches or something across 274 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:27.480 the ball didn't I didn't measure that. But I do 275 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:29.480 have photographs of them. If you'd like to see them, boathes, 276 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:31.799 I can send them to you. You can see the 277 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:33.840 big toe, of course, and you can see, you know, 278 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:35.799 some of the other smaller toes next to it, in 279 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.000 my opinion, if you know what you're looking for. So 280 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:40.559 I'll text those over to you right now. 281 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.279 Hey, did you say you were suspicious of the elt 282 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:45.919 Bossburg tracks? Cripple foot now. 283 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:48.759 And not those, Okay. I think there's just such a 284 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.879 preponderance of those and found over such a widespread area 285 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:55.759 and such a long span of time by so many people. 286 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.639 Like I know that Ivan Marx is sort of associated 287 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:00.399 with those, but I don't think he faked those. 288 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:01.200 Now. 289 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.600 I watched that whole thing with the they went back 290 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.759 to the site in nineteen eighty nine with Renee de Hendon. 291 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:08.000 That's great. I learned so much from that. 292 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:10.360 I mean when you see that video, like, there's no 293 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:12.639 way those are fake because Renee, what you're not going 294 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:14.919 to fool Renee that like that, like with over a 295 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.320 thousand prints covered that much terrain and then crossing the 296 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:19.399 I don't knowize how big that river was at that point. 297 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.080 I thought it was like, you know, up river like Columbia. 298 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.879 They fled it like a lake, so that's really wide there, 299 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:27.919 and they found the prince on the other side of 300 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.240 the river going like a couple of days later. 301 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.679 Some dn R guys, Yeah, I guy named John Sussi 302 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.480 mil was his name. He was a border patrol guy. Yeah, 303 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:39.480 he was behind locked gates on logging lands and he 304 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.279 stumbled across the trackway of the same animal that says 305 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.399 a lot about that. I met Mark. I met Mark Seusimol, 306 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.519 which is John's son, and he had copies of the 307 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.919 cast made in sand. It's kind of a long story. 308 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.279 That's how I got I got associated with this. A 309 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.320 guy out there named Eric. He had a couple of 310 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.120 copies of it, and he thought they were originals because 311 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.279 the sand was in them. So I got word from 312 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:02.120 Shane I think, and some other people that like, hey, 313 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.159 there's original Bossberg tracks out here in northeast Oregon. So 314 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:07.799 I mean I contacted the made arrangements and went out 315 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.159 there and they weren't. They weren't originals. Is it very 316 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.840 understandable misidentification because they copied them in sand, and therefore 317 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:17.519 they thought the sand was the original cast. 318 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:18.159 That makes sense. 319 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.440 But when I was over there, I go, hey, Eric, 320 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:21.759 where'd you get these? He goes, oh, I got him 321 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:25.279 from my friend Mark. So Mark, Mark seusimil So what whoa? 322 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:25.600 Whoa? 323 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:26.200 What? What? 324 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.120 I said, you think you can get me in touch 325 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:29.840 with him? And he goes, don't let me give and 326 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:31.960 he came over. He came over that day. I got 327 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.360 to meet him and talk to him about his dad 328 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:35.360 and what are your remembers about it. Found out where 329 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.440 the original tracks are. They're with his brother, and so 330 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:40.799 I've been trying to get him in contact with me 331 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:44.919 for like like two years, but they just have been unsuccessful, unfortunately. 332 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:46.879 But that's also where I got a hold. Have you 333 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.200 ever seen those big bricks? Basically John susimil what he did. 334 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.200 If you look at these pictures of John Susiml holding 335 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.759 the cast, you're going to notice that the those Bossberg 336 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:00.399 tracks have kind of an odd sheen to them, unlike 337 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.480 most of their photographs of casts. And it's because what 338 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.639 he did is he coded them in rubber. They think, 339 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:07.919 why in the world did he do that? And then 340 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.360 I realized why there are these large blocks of plaster, 341 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.039 and what he would do. He'd pour a big block 342 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:17.480 of plaster and then he would push the original cast 343 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.039 into the block of plaster, and so that rubber was 344 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.519 acting as like a release agent in a way, and 345 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:25.639 then he'd pull it out and what what what you'd 346 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.200 have is what the actual impression looked like in the ground. 347 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:29.799 Right. Yeah. 348 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:33.360 And so Mark had two of those, the originals, and 349 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.559 he was kind enough to lend those to me, and 350 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.200 I brought them home and I returned them to him 351 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:38.879 a few months later when I can get out there again. 352 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.000 And I didn't want to mail those. I wanted to 353 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:44.159 handle a little bit, you know, And so I made 354 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.440 a copy for the museum, and the copy is the 355 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:49.879 copies are in the museum in our boss Bery display. 356 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:53.200 And I made one other copy for doctor Meldrum, which 357 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:55.039 have now been circled around in are back in my 358 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.919 in my castroom downstairs in the outbuilding. So I have 359 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.120 those again. So yeah, but interest stuff. And what I'll 360 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:03.159 do is I'll I'll find a picture of those and 361 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.399 I'll send those two right now too, so you can 362 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.600 see those, and then I guess we can post them 363 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.200 to the members or something like that if you want. 364 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:14.519 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 365 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:16.480 We'll be right back after these messages. 366 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:24.639 Yeah, in case anyone doesn't know, we're talking about the 367 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.919 nineteen sixty nine Bossburg tracks. We're the ones I got 368 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.399 Grover Crafts involved with doctor Grover Krasts involved in the 369 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.279 whole subject matter. Well that's what I got I'm really 370 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:34.840 good on, was that. 371 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.919 Yeah, Yeah, we have a great display on the Bossberg 372 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:40.960 stuff and in the museum, and of course that a 373 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.360 couple of things that had never been seen before. Doctor 374 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.879 Meldrum years ago gave me a cast and he goes, yeah, 375 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:49.279 you can have this, cliff. This is clearly a Bossburg print, 376 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.279 but we don't know where from or whatever. And I 377 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.000 think if I would oppressed some we could have figured 378 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.360 it out pretty quick. Honestly, when I got home, I 379 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:57.960 was looking at it and I say, what is this 380 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.960 and where did this come from? And it turns out, 381 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.639 again long story short, that there's a photograph of doctor 382 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.159 Krantz kneeling down pointing at a footprint in the ground. 383 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.679 John Green took that picture. I think he's maybe he's 384 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:12.120 not pointing at the time, but I'll have to dig 385 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.159 that picture up too, And that's the cast. That the 386 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.879 cast is of that same footprint. You can tell because 387 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:20.480 the the leaf patterns that are on the cast are 388 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:22.360 the same that are in the ground. That's one hundred 389 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.679 percent that cast. So doctor Krantz in most likely December 390 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.679 nineteen sixty nine, a few days after winter Break started. 391 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.879 I happened to look up at winter Break started in 392 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.200 the early twenties of December twenty first or something like that, 393 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.039 in nineteen sixty nine and at Washington State University at Pullman, 394 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.799 I found the campus schedule for that year's and he 395 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.279 said in his writings, Krantz said he went down there 396 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.600 a few days later, so probably two or three days 397 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.120 later when the photograph was taken. But it is one 398 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.039 hundred percent that cast. And I was concerned because doctor 399 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:54.759 Meldrim gave me the print, and the leaves are in 400 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:56.720 it and whatnot. So I wrote Jeff and said, Jeff, like, 401 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:58.799