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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow, Siko's I am Dan Pavalley coming

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at you with the one the only you know him

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from the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of

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HBO Max fame.

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Speaker 2: And of course where you're most likely to.

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Speaker 1: Recognize him from only fans, celebrity, mister mort Jensen.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Utah Jazz.

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Speaker 1: Do they need another big They have Jackson Hayes and

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use of Nurkic.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Philipowski is still there too.

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Speaker 1: In the end that the Walker Kessler deal grant and

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I don't know where if you want to talk about

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that more to trade. I really wanted to see Walker

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Kessler play next to Jared Jackson Junior and Larry market In.

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But I do think the amount the Lakers gave up

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from a Jazz's perspective, given how unhappy Walker Kesler seemed

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with not getting an extension, I don't know that that's

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a trade Utah could have reasonably turned.

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Speaker 3: Down, right, No, No, they got so much and look

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Nurkics you stare. Jackson Hayes is there like they're trying

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to cobble together a solid center rotation. All of that,

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I get it. Kessler would have been, you know, the

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diamond to this current iteration of the jazz, like that's

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just the way it is. And defensively speaking, of course,

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but like when you're offered that, and they were also

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balking at the financial numbers, I think it's entirely fair

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to just take it because like, how many picks does

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team have right now?

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Speaker 1: Are they? Are they not loaded? There?

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Speaker 2: Flushing again?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean they gave up some of the Jaron

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Jackson Junior train and then made it back tenfold from

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the Walker Kessler sign and train.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, which means in many ways you got Jaron

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Jackson Junior for free. I mean, I mean you can,

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you can choose to look at it that way, but you.

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Speaker 1: Still lost Walker Kessler as part of all that you

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have d I was very much kidding to be pick

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neutral basically after the fact though impressive, right right.

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Speaker 3: I just so if you want another big man, do

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you want that to be a center or like an

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ad child four?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what I was gonna ask you, because

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I think you could make the case and say just

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paper over the center. Minutes you have Nurkic and Jackson

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Hayes and then your closing lineup might have always been

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we want Jaron Jackson Junior at the five. The Memphis

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Grizzlies had been about league average or worse defensively with

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him at the five since twenty twenty twenty twenty three.

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They've also seldom been healthy. I will say, though, I

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think putting Jackson at the five too often takes him

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out of the role he's best suited to play. And

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I also think that it's probably riskier unless you think

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you have enough on ball defensive juice in front of him,

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which as of right now, I mean I like Cody Williams,

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like his defense has probably ticked up. I think Case

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Bailey's gonna be a good defender. Darren Peterson should be fine,

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But as a right now, I don't know that you

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have enough there.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm.

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Speaker 1: Wondering if it behooved them to try and get someone

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who is better than it doesn't need to be someone

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you invest a ton of equity in. But it's oh

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better than Jackson Hayes, even like better than use of Nurkic.

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You're oh, so they should just sign you? Right?

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Speaker 2: Sign me?

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Speaker 3: Is being better than jack Jackson. I think Jackson Hayes

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is full of empty calories. I don't like him as

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a player.

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Speaker 1: That was a joke. I was kidding. That's he seems

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like he's got some questionable off court stuff too.

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Speaker 2: So oh yeah, I think that's too right. That doesn't

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help there, That doesn't He so a name that I

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had thought of.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it cost to get them, but

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we're actually this is a segue from the team we

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just talked about. In the Hornets. They have Steinbach, they

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have calk Brenner, they have nase Red. Two of those

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guys are probably best suited at the four and read

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in Steinbach. But if they're taking the longer view, most

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the Diabathe is gonna be a free agent next summer. Hmmm.

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Him on the Jazz and now they would have to

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worry about his free agency. But he's not gonna cost

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anywhere near Walker Kessler. I think he would make a

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TA specifically, it's the salary structure. I think, even after

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this year, not the best, like it's just not on

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Speaker 2: Around him just that size.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be the type of move I

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would like to see them go out and make to

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feel better because I was ready.

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Speaker 2: I made this joke on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 1: I was ready to pencil in the Jazz for fifty

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plus victories before the Walker Kessler trade. Then I was

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watching Darren Peterson's Summer League debut and I said, I'm

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still excited to pencil in the Jazz more than said,

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I'm not actually sure if I'm there yet.

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Speaker 2: I haven't sat down and done it, but I want

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to see.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see a better five on the who's

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not triple J on this roster, and they clearly have

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the assets to go get them. I guess my question

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to you was, is there an incentive to doing that

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now or is this more.

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Speaker 2: Of a well, let's just wait and see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wait that happens really Yeah, But I mean, look,

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Chandler sv threat scene.

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Speaker 3: He would be right to do so because he's awesome.

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Diabase is awesome. I love him.

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Speaker 2: That does mean needs to leave the Hornets though.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, no, no, no no. Wasn't he like best friends

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with LaMelo too? Maybe they isolated Musa Diabaate. Maybe I'm

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imagining that, but maybe they ended up just isolating isolating

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Speaker 3: All I know is that Mussat Diabase locked Wemp the

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f up over the in the regular season for one game,

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like completely annihilated him. You don't do that if you

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are not extremely potent of a defensive player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he but that that would be the

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type of move. I mean, I had Kita on the list,

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but he just got his extension, so he'd be off it.

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the Hawk season goes off the rails and Yuko Congo's

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available marketing triple Jared Jackson Junior and on Yukko Congu.

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Speaker 2: That's not you don't have the biggest five man.

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Speaker 1: Like the six ten center. Yeah, Jared Jackson Junior, same

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thing that would work? Yeah, yeah, I don't think you should.

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you should be allocating your your trade assets.

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Speaker 2: I would be.

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Speaker 1: Fun as hell to watch, but it was on that

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it was a even. Look, if Charlotte wants to get

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rid of Ryan Kalkbrenner, I think he's probably better than

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Speaker 2: This point already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a standstill rim protector. He's just he's just

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gonna be bigger. And that's why I think ultimately nourk

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is just gonna play it Son, because you're you're gonna

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need the rebounding. I mean with Kessler out like you

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were always on my ass for saying, oh the rebounding

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and the rebounding like with Jackson ju and your marketing

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why you think Larry Markinen is a terrible rebounder.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm saying he's not, Like he's not

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an elite rebounder nor and Jackson hay or sorry not

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Jackson Jaron. Jackson Junior is out right bad. So like

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the combination of that frontline is just worrisome, right, Like

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you need to have someone in there who just goes

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get you a board like Marketnen as well has had

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issues on the glass before, Like, we can't.

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Speaker 1: He's not your he's not the most physical, but he's

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with the exceptional last season when Walker Kessler didn't play,

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So that's per fair. But he's rated as eighty six

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percentile on defensive rebounding, ninety fourth, ninetieth the past two

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seasons in Utah. I've not been banner rebounding seasons for

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him on the defensive glass though. You are right right,

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could they use another big man? Absolutely? Like, but I like,

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are there minutes? Because if they're gonna play Nurkic, which

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and they're gonna play Jaron Jackson Junior, they're gonna play

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Lauri Markton, I assume they're gonna play Kyle Philbehowski as well. Like,

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where are the minutes gonna come from? Well, again, my

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thought was, I'm playing Diabate over someone like him. I'm

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playing him over all the bigs, not Jared Jackson, you,

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but all the standard options that they have right now.

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Speaker 2: So that wasn't that's to me.

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Speaker 1: The minutes will be Oh when is Jackson Hayes gonna play,

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point of why not? Just that at this point they

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do seem like they're and wait and see mode. But

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someone else at the five other than Usuf Nurkic or Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Ray's just I feel like I'm oded, you know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I hear you, I hear you.

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Speaker 2: Where do you want to go next?

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Speaker 1: So I only have one more thing on the list,

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and that is what even are the Washington Wizards? What

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are they at this point? Like Davis is in there.

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Speaker 3: They traded for DeAndre Aiden, They signed Tree Young to

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a contract that it was just way too rich for

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my blood, way to Richie and I were talking about

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like thirty five forty million a year. Then he signed

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for what fifty three?

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Speaker 2: He also got a trade kicker at a player option. Right.

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Speaker 3: I I just don't know what this team is. And

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that's that's not necessarily a bad thing because they haven't

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pivot away from the young guys, right like du Bonsa

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is there and like Sars, Therelabali, Trey Johnson, I mean obviously.

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Speaker 2: Cam Wiche, George will Riley.

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Speaker 3: Or yeah, Tristan Vuovich justin Champagne, like they they have

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guys there and and by the way, Julian Reese and

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of the deceason on a high note, like they have

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good talent, they have good players. But I mean at

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the end of the day, I just don't see the

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cohesion here, like what are they trying to win?

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Speaker 1: Now? Are they trying to be competitive? Like as of

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twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, are they looking ahead?

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Like what are we? What are we doing here? I

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think there's one lottery reform, so that comes without I

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think that needs we can can that go without saying

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from now on? Or do I constantly need to qualify that?

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But there clearly was I think when we saw the

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Trey Young and Anthony Davis trades, as opportunistic as I

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thought they were at the time, there was clearly a

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mandate there from the good we need to get better.

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I don't know how good they can they can be.

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man rotation with Saar Davis and Ayton that's actually in

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a pretty good space, even Tristian Vuksovich being there. But

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I also have questions still about this team's floor spacing.

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the three point efficiency has been for him in the

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gutter for a couple of years now, and I think

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we've still yet to see can he play different styles

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in a larger ecosystem where he isn't the sole focus.

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Speaker 2: He has never ranked lower than fourth in the league.

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and the only time he didn't rank in the top

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four was last year when he ranked seventh, And so

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we just haven't seen it. That's my big question, which

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is why I was just flabbergasted by that contract. You

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just acquired him in a salary dump. Ye, they have,

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both teams are equally healthy. I think it's more likely

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the Wizards are in the top six next year than Charlotte.

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I think Charlotte may have the more coherent long term

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plan in place, But the Wizards are just teaming with

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so much individual talent and it's not even ill fitting talent.

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They're like a real deep team. I think it's just

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you need a couple things to pop in this of

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who's going to become the better shooter? And can Trey

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Young play different? The health stuff with ad that's obvious,

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But can Alex Sar We've seen him hit a higher

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clip of his threes. Can he do that for an

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entire season? What does can blow Kulabali hit more of

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his threes? Right? Does Keishaw George look like? Is more

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of a secondary option when when he's healthy? What does

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agent de BoNT to look like right out of the gate?

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What type of license is he going to have? What

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type of agency is he going to have on the offense? YEP,

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I don't know what the Wizards are. I'm intrigued, confused,

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but intrigued exactly. And that's where I am too, Like

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I want to be optimistic about this. I'm going to

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be optimistic about this because again, it seems like they

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have the one foot in the wind. Now they have

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the one the other foot in in like like, let's

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straight try to win later or develop guys or whatever

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you want to frame it. Ass Like we've seen it before.

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Boston tried to do the same thing, didn't quite work.

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Like but at least this makes a little bit more

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sense because you still don't have of like the elite

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floor like floor leading, general court vision, ish guard outside

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of Trey Young within the Young frame or within the

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Young core framework. So like, perhaps this just works, Like

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I'm I'm not ruling that out, but I I have questions.

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Is pretty much where I'm landing on this. What do

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you think you're running you're coaching the Wizards. Well that's

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the other thing here, that's I don't know if it's confusing,

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but I'm just clocking it. So you elevate David Vanderpool

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to the front office, and he was on the front

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office track previously in twenty thirteen, so that's but now

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you have Patrick Ewing and Steve Clifford there as assistants,

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and you do have a new lead not a new

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lead assistant to be promoted from.

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Speaker 2: Within on the lead assistant I'm just just.

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Speaker 1: Watching, like a lot of people of Brian Keith as

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the coach that's going to be the next to go.

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I don't know if the Wizards are so urgent, it'd

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be a move made mid season. But that's another thing

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that's going on with this team. What is it but

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your coach, you're bro Keith? What's your best without seeing

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it in action? What is your default five man lineup?

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My default? All? Right? Trey? Do I go? Keishean over

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Trey Johnston? I think I do? Yeah, Yeah, I do.

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I agree? And and Trey on the court together is

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gonna would be a defensive catastrophe. You're right.

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Speaker 3: And it's a little bit small too, and and Keishawan

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is just so much bigger. Yeah, Trey Keishawan. And then

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at the three, and could just Debonsa, It's Debonsa. And

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then it then we have the whole conundrum who's the

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four because both Sar and Davis wants to be four

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men instead of centers.

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Speaker 2: But I got I haven't seen really was.

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Speaker 1: Part of like the pre draft process as well, like

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he wanted to play the four. I don't know what

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it is with these tell them you know what, don't

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tell the tell Anthony Davis that he's the Forum and

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playing next to Starr and tell Sar that he's the

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Forum playing right, and just all the difference just right. Yeah.

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So I think that is my my preferred closing lineup,

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which is wild because then you actually have a pretty

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good bench, like you have a bench of Bill and

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like Trey Johnson. That's not bad.

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Aiden can whitmore, justin him, Benny.

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Speaker 1: Can wit more. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't necessarily hate this team. I

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just try to figure out what the hell they are.

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Speaker 1: I can already feel it. I'm probably smashing there over.

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This is nothing to come back to my I can

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already feel it in my bones.

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Speaker 2: All right. So I have a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: Let me pick one to do before we get into

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just the Jaylen Brown stuff. Okay, let's do this one

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MORET is a Denver Nuggets salary dump coming. We saw

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the report from the steinline that they're not necessarily they're

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they're willing to match Peyton Watson if he gets an

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offer sheet without making a salary dump of any kind.

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Paint me every shade of skeptical on that. As of

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right now, I think they have about two million dollars

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in room beneath the second apron, and that's assuming they

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just wave. You want to salentchu nois, I don't even

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have his full salary pencils in there. This team is

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up against the repeater tax I don't I'm gonna be

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pretty shocked. That's the word I've used a lot during

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this particular episode. There's no way they're going into the

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second apron, right, they just got bounced in the first round.

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If they wouldn't do it previously, why are you doing

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it now? They won't And it's a shame because I

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think about this. You have prime Nikola Jokic one of

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the best players, do you that's my other question? But

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carry on, No, well, that is far more interesting. I

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don't want to talk about the goddamn salary cap if

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you have a bigger question about Jokic. Do you believe

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Nikola Jokic's extension stance where the latest is that he

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wants he prefers to just wait and sign a five

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year Oh no, no, no, I don't believe that. All right, no, no,

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no's But I was just saying, he's like in this

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prime and that's why they.

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Speaker 2: Should You said The question is for how much longer?

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Speaker 1: How much longer did they have That's a fair question. No,

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because I think he's I think he's looking at this

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and going I have questions he should And by the way,

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I thought, I actually hope he's lying with his explanation.

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Speaker 2: He's so smart.

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Speaker 1: I have to believe he is, because you know what,

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if you were so concerned about actually maximizing your your payday,

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you probably would have extended last year and then extended

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again in three years when you were eligible to do it,

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rather than waiting for like, so I can get the

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extra year of guarantee money locked in now.

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Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that this is his way.

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Speaker 1: I applauded it when I saw the report that he

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was gonna wait on the extension.

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Speaker 2: Initially, good, put some press.

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Speaker 1: They've You've been the one of the lowest maintenance superstars

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in the league, like right up there with Steph, and

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it's time to like, let's apply some pressure to this

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front office. I'm not buying the explanation that we're seeing

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from him. Now. Financially, you can game it out to where, yeah,

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locking in the extra year in the for him could

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make sense. I'm just not buying it because if you

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were that concerned about it, you would have extended already

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and then you would have extended again in three years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you're you're right. So the question is where

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where does his eyes linger? Because his best friend just

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had a lot of help in Los Angeles and they've

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been locked up, like, I don't know if there are

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any streight chips there that makes sense in terms.

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Speaker 4: Of they have.

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Speaker 1: They have zero chance of getting him now, no cap

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space next summer, no draft picks to trade. That's kind

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of what I'm That's that was exactly what I was saying, Dan, Yea, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Boston, why why why why would Boston want Nicola?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, why why would any team want Nicola Jokic?

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I'm asking why would the co want Boston.

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Speaker 2: To play with Jason Tatum and Derek White.

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Speaker 3: You think that's like the needle mover, you think those

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guys are like I'm question, I'm not I'm not like

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trying to be sassy. I'm genuinely asking you think you

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think that that is like enough for Jokic or you

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want does he realize.

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Speaker 1: That next year he's gonna be like thirty two? Right?

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For well one, I think he wants to stay in Denver.

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I think that much is clear. I'm rooting for it.

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But Boston, I mean Boston with Tatum and Derek White

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and okay, Nikola Jokic is costing you your pick out lay.

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But it's an organization that's shown they can mind value

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on the margins. Look at where they drafted YOUO Gonzales,

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who is the deal breaker in Giannis talks. As ridiculous

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as that might sound, Jordan Walsh, the Kada extension like

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that was a good like they found Caden where they

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got kid in the door in the first place, and

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then that extension I think ends up aging fairly well.

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It's under the mid level exception. That would be like,

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are you, as Nikola Jokic, if you're looking at this objectively,

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are you more intrigued right now as you and I

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are talking by Boston's trajectory if you're on it, or

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Denver's trajectory if you're on the team.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's a good question because I'm not

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exactly loving where Boston is going considered ever since winning

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the title. So I think that is also like what

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am I baking in here? Am I baking in that?

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Jokichen his team just has like this analytical view of

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where the team is going, or do you think they're

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looking at things from a straight on perspective, because that's

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that's also important, Like players don't necessarily gauge situations the

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same way you and I do.

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Speaker 2: Well do you have? That wasn't even my favorite test.

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Speaker 1: I was just going through the list of team, but

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what is the team you're I was more so throwing

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this out, do you I wasn't gonna get into is

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he gonna leave? I was more so thinking do you

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buy his extension stance, which I think that both of

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us do not that he is no send a message

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to the front office, absolutely, and he's usually not the

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one to do that in the same way like he

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he'll do that, like like he said multiple times, he

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will go to ownership or at least leadership and just

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let them know.

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Speaker 3: This feels like something else. This seems like he's a

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little bit fed up with the situation or not not

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in terms of that he wants out, but it seems like,

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you know, you have to be serious, But in terms

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of like the team, I don't think he's eyeing any

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teams at this stage yet, right.

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Speaker 2: Like, I wouldn't think he would.

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Speaker 1: I think he's so committed to Denver that I would

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guess he hasn't even thought I was. More so, what

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are the teams that would make sense? Is than Nikolio

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like coming in and also as the Nuggets if Nicole.

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Let's say nicoliok isn't going to sign an extension, because

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he can sign at any point this year. But let's

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say he's already ruled it out. He's saying I'm not

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signing it. You have to at least think about trading him, right,

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You can't afford to lose him for nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I brought up the Lakers, because again

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I assume that if he at any point once out,

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he's going to tell the Nuggets I want to play

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with Luca. I. That just seems to me to be

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a thing like obviously, okay, what what you're You're.

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Speaker 2: How are they get are you? So it's Walker Kessler

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reeves no pick.

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Speaker 3: Again, I'm talking from the side of Jokic. Again, a

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player doesn't have to go in and make all these

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calculations and and make all these analysis that you and

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I have to make. But I wouldn't be surprised if

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that's what he gets into that he goes to ownership

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or leadership and just says I want to play with Duka,

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and then the onus is on them, like do they

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trade him to the Lakers or whatever poopo platter they

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can get compared to what it's worth, or are they

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going to try to sell the farm even though they

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don't have it to get Luca and Denver? Like I

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just think that is ultimately what he's gonna want to do.

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It feels like those two are somehow, some way trying

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to get there.

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Speaker 1: I that would be something I don't envy that team's

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resulting defense when they end up with those two, and

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I don't I can't see it happening. Just based off

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what happened with the Lakers. It would have to be

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00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:00,319
Denver trades for Luca. Maybe does the Lakers see go

470
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,160
so belly up that Luca requests out after this year?

471
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: I guess maybe.

472
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,519
Speaker 3: That's also a long shut right about. I'm just saying

473
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,440
from the side of Jokich that if he wants out eventually,

474
00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:11,799
I'm pretty sure that Luca is going to be a

475
00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:14,160
name that's going to be brought up. Like, I don't

476
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,680
think the European ankle is something to be disregarded.

477
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,559
Speaker 1: Sorry, I think he could be disregarded in the sense

478
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:24,480
of I just don't understand how it works.

479
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 2: Is he taking less? No, that's scare at the Lakers.

480
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: Again, I'm saying from his perspective, goddamn it. So who

481
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,440
what happened like salary dumping with them? What's gonna happen here?

482
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,200
I'm assuming they're gonna bring Peyton Watson back, right. They're

483
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,400
open to sign and trades apparently if they lose him.

484
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,640
I don't know what message that's necessarily sending to Jokic.

485
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,279
I've floated because Memphis, I don't know if there's enough

486
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,160
Memphis has the Jaron Jackson junior traded player exception, Does

487
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:59,559
Christian Brown cam Johnson and a swap for KCP get

488
00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:04,200
that Dell done? You're getting off and then you can

489
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:10,880
resign off? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because again you have to

490
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,079
look at it also as you were getting Peyton Watson back, right,

491
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,599
Like that's an addition. It's a bad it's a bad

492
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,759
deal for the Nuggets. Like I just I'm not a

493
00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:22,559
fan of Christian Brown's contract anymore. I was looking his

494
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,359
two point percentage dropped by thirty three points when Jokich

495
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,880
was off the floor last year. That is insane, right,

496
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,160
and and look, you're you're you have to like make

497
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,319
some sacrifices here.

498
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,039
Speaker 3: It's a shame. I actually loved what they did last year,

499
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,480
just with the whole Camp Johnson situation, but he just

500
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:43,880
didn't materialize in the way that they thought he would.

501
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:46,359
I think you and I even had them as one

502
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,200
of the biggest winners last year in the offseason, and

503
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:49,599
and I.

504
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,319
Speaker 1: Actually had them as a loser. I wasn't a fan

505
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,680
of the the Johnson deal Johnson, actually really I didn't.

506
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,799
I didn't like the value. I came at it from

507
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:58,880
the perspective of you have Nicole Jokich in your prime

508
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,000
and you used your best tra.

509
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,599
Speaker 3: Then I'm misremembering then then it might have been Brian

510
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,920
and I who did that? My mistake, all right, I

511
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,920
know that's bye. By the way, that's horrible that I

512
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,119
got you confused with Brian sapporik that that's.

513
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: Just there are worst people you can He's super tall,

514
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,440
So I'll take it. I don't and by that deal,

515
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,880
I don't even know where I land on it today.

516
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,440
I still think that was a misuse of an asset,

517
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,559
But like I think Cam Johnson is was fod like

518
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,079
and he was their most reliable player by the end

519
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,279
of the playhoffs last year.

520
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: So I just don't I'm.

521
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,279
Speaker 1: Looking at it if you, especially for a team that

522
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,519
doesn't have a ton of shooting as it is, if

523
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,200
you need to dump Cam Johnson because you don't want

524
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,599
to go into the second apron or is this a

525
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,119
team that's I don't know how they do it, but like,

526
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,400
are they just gonna be because they're a repeater?

527
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:46,079
Speaker 2: Are they gonna be looking at duck the tax entirely?

528
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,240
I don't know.

529
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how they get there, because what are

530
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,599
they into the taxes right now?

531
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: They're fifteen almost eleven million over? Oh that's before Marvin

532
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:57,839
Backley and Tyas Jones.

533
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: I think you're at fifteen if you wave way boundness. Yeah,

534
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,240
So I mean that would be do you just dump

535
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,319
Cam Johnson then you trade Peyton Watson and let it roll?

536
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: That would be.

537
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,559
Speaker 1: If I'm Jokis, that's alarm Bell City. So I'm I

538
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:15,400
guess my question is how does and I don't know

539
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,799
the answer. That's what this whole exercise is for. I

540
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:22,079
don't know how this whole rigamarole ends. Is it they

541
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,400
trade one player resigned Peyton Watson? Is if they just

542
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,720
let Peyton Watson walk? Is it they trade two players

543
00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:32,119
bring back Peyton Watson? Are they just getting rid of

544
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,880
two players to duckt the tax? I think there are

545
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,799
a lot of different scenarios in play here, and most

546
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,400
of them make me feel uncomfortable.

547
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I think that is fair. When

548
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,880
you're paying Jamal Murray and Nicola Jokic this amount of

549
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,200
money and Aaron Gordon and the Ferdy plus million area,

550
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:52,720
he would.

551
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:54,519
Speaker 1: Be another name where it's where they like. We've seen

552
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Murray and Aaron Gordon kind of in trade rumors. I

553
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,480
don't think you could deal either one of those guys

554
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,759
and get better. If I had to pick who's more

555
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,759
likely to go, I feel as if it would be

556
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:09,640
Aaron Gordon. I just think breaking up the Jokic Murray synergy, right,

557
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,319
is like a cardinal sin.

558
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 3: I not I agree, but I mean you could also

559
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,079
add Gordon to that. I don't even think it's just

560
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,200
Jokic Murray. I think it's Jokic Murray Gordon.

561
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's I'm in agreement with you. I

562
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,880
think if they moved one, though, it'd be more likely

563
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,559
to be Gordon.

564
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, same, same, just also because he's easy to move, frankly,

565
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:32,960
like it's easy to move thirty one million than fifty.

566
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,559
Speaker 1: So let's break this down step by step. Will the

567
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:38,720
Nuggets be a second Apron team next year? Yes?

568
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:39,599
Speaker 2: Or no?

569
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:40,319
Speaker 1: No? No?

570
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:45,079
Speaker 2: Will will the Nuggets be a luxury tax team next year?

571
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,079
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah? I think so.

572
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly don't know. I got bad, I got

573
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:50,119
bad vibes.

574
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,559
Speaker 1: Maybe I should be happy, I should feel more confident

575
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,680
because they haven't done anything nuclear to this point. I

576
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,759
don't feel great about that. Is Peyton Watson on the

577
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:03,440
Denver Nuggets next year? Inconclusive?

578
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: Here's a better one.

579
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: Are both Peyton Watson and Cam Johnson on the Nuggets

580
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,640
next No? I don't think so. No. I think I

581
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,519
think that's probably the right answer, which is just awful. Yeah,

582
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,559
you sir have not given We had other questions, but

583
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:23,079
we'll cover other teams later this week. You sir, have

584
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,599
not talked about on a podcast yet the Jallen Brown trade. Right? Uh?

585
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,880
Not in English? No? All right? I was actually hoping

586
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,559
to bring you on for the Danis version. So never

587
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,599
mind then, But we do have Brad Stevens. I don't

588
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:38,640
know if you saw his comments on it, gave an

589
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,039
explanation behind the Jallen Brown trade, did the whole we

590
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:45,200
lost sleep and he essentially we've talked about this before,

591
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,240
you and I, me and Grant, I think just others

592
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,839
about how for all this talk of the three max

593
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,279
model being dead, we might be approaching a point where

594
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:58,680
the two veteran max model is too heavy to bear.

595
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Teams you it is too have to bear.

596
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,319
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens kind of essentially confirmed that even though you

597
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,759
didn't save a ton of money with Paul George, you

598
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,000
did increase your optionality by getting draft picks.

599
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: And his deal is done one year sooner.

600
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,839
Speaker 1: Knowing what Brad Stevens said, knowing the talk around Jaalen Brown,

601
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,039
the on off splits all that, where have you landed

602
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,160
on this, Tren? I'm very curious to know what you think.

603
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,960
So I wasn't as low on what Boston got in

604
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,000
return as everyone else, even though obviously like Brown was

605
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,160
the best piece going out, like Philly got him, that's

606
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,119
a win right there. But I do think Paul George

607
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:43,319
just fits into the makeup of the Celtics right now

608
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,119
under Joe Massula. The major question for me is health,

609
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,519
Like if Paul George is only going to play forty

610
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:55,759
to fifty games, that's probably an issue. But when you

611
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:58,880
think about his playing style, and if you think about

612
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,279
like the perimeter orient three point volume that they are

613
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:07,400
sporting in Boston, Paul George fits right in, like six',

614
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480
ten takes a shit ton of, threes makes them at

615
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,359
a decent, clip like if he gets even more, Up

616
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,839
he's the type of guy who can actually maintain that

617
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,359
level of, efficiency which is pretty. INSANE i think he's

618
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,200
severely underrated historically as a, shooter like we all took

619
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,200
just too many we all made too MANY pg jokes

620
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:31,039
or you, know playoff p, Jokes like there's something there

621
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,519
in terms of the shooting. Department is he still The

622
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,160
Paul george of? Old absolutely. Not that's also why you

623
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,039
have to just realize that in terms of like the

624
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,480
raw volume or, sorry the raw return in terms of trade,

625
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:48,440
value The celtics didn't get a better package in return

626
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:50,880
than what they gave. Up BUT i do think we

627
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,799
sold we were a little too harsh On Paul george

628
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,880
and his fit In. Boston to be, honest.

629
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: That is probably.

630
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: FAIR i JUST i GUESS i didn't see a lot

631
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,559
of people coming at it From Paul george is trash

632
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:09,559
and a terrible fit In. Boston it was just the

633
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,440
value proposition of Trading Jalen brown on off splits and

634
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:14,960
all was why.

635
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: Did you make this move?

636
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Now would you have been better off just letting this

637
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:19,680
ride out until the end of his contract or the

638
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,319
final year of his?

639
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,839
Speaker 2: Contract that would lead me to BELIEVE i do give this.

640
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,839
OUT i said. This people did not.

641
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: React well to our reaction to THE i didn't realize

642
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:30,519
how Many celtics, fans by the, way just think That

643
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,079
Jalen brown is eminently detrimental to the. TEAM i honestly

644
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,000
had no. Idea that was just like a thing floating around. There.

645
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,000
Wow but my point was IS i would rather if

646
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,799
we were talking about title equity and it was over

647
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:46,359
the next two to three, years would you rather have

648
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,160
what The celtics just, Did Paul george end those picks

649
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:50,799
Or Jalen.

650
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: BROWN i would rather Have Jalen. Brown.

651
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah same if the goal is the title, Immediately, yes

652
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,480
it's a different discussion if you view it theynamic was

653
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,839
so untenable behind the scenes because he was dangled in

654
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,920
trade talks for g, honest and because he wanted an,

655
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,920
extension which the extension. Stuff i'm all for players getting,

656
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,519
paid AND i think it kind of it, sucks but

657
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,839
this was also collectively, bargained so it's on them as.

658
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,720
Well the fact that we're getting into a point, where's,

659
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,359
oh Donva mitchell just signed an extension that is gonna

660
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,359
be one of the worst deals in the, league if

661
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,519
not right, now like because it's five years and three

662
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,319
hundred and twenty three million. Total he's but now the

663
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,160
way that we're talking about these players and it's like

664
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,039
they get to a certain number and it's, just, oh

665
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,519
they're not worth. IT i understand it from both sides

666
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,720
to where, yeah you can't really build a team having

667
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,680
two guys worth more than thirty five percent of the

668
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200
cap when one of them is not a top ten.

669
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:46,200
PLAYER i JUST i still would have either weighted with

670
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,759
the hope that a better market materializes by next summer

671
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,039
or just to increase my title. Odds, again unless this

672
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,160
was my point THAT i trailed off. On things were

673
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,559
so intenable behind the scenes because he wanted an extension

674
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,319
and for some reason that's you have three guarantees years

675
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,240
left on your, Contract why is it you don't need

676
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,039
an extension as soon as your extension, Eligible which is

677
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,039
WHERE i would push back if The celtics, need like

678
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,720
felt as if they needed to trade. Him that's still

679
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,480
Where i'm sort of at on the. Trade IT'S i

680
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,200
think The celtics are still going to be really. GOOD

681
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,319
i Just i'm wondering if they've leaned too far as

682
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,680
of right now Into missoula, ball BECAUSE i think Having

683
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,799
Jalen brown and again the on off splits are not

684
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,720
always going to support This having someone Like Jalen brown

685
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,960
the stuff he can do on the, ball and deviate from,

686
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,960
That Jason tatum can do much of the. SAME i

687
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,160
Think Jalen brown's on ball rim pressure is just going

688
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,480
to be better at this. POINT i think that's the

689
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,839
WHERE i. LAND i think that has more value than

690
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:41,960
What Paul george is just better off as a compliment right.

691
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Now and the other thing THAT i think might be

692
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,880
being missed he closed the season really strong last year

693
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,400
after getting a twenty five game for sabbatical, suspension and

694
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,519
so what happens if he finally does play in more, games,

695
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:58,079
which by.

696
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,599
Speaker 2: The, way he historically.

697
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,359
Speaker 1: Hasn't Don the last time he played in seventy games

698
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,880
or shortened season equivalent was twenty. Eighteen that's a long time,

699
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,239
ago and he's played in eighty six games combined over

700
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,800
the past two.

701
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: Seasons SO i THINK i.

702
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,079
Speaker 1: Probably understand it a little bit more when you start

703
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,039
to think about the cap dynamics of it. All But

704
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,679
i'm looking At Paul george's number anyway and, wondering still

705
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,000
wondering whether this needed to be done, now and the

706
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,480
fact that they felt it did still leads me to

707
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:27,320
believe that we just haven't even heard close to the

708
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,840
full story of what was happening behind. This, yeah we

709
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000
were waiting For Ramona shelbourn on that, one AND i

710
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,679
don't even, know but, yeah The athletic published like a

711
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,000
good look behind the, curtain and it JUST i came

712
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:40,719
away from it, saying all, right there was clearly tension, there.

713
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: BUT i don't know if, Like i'm not seeing anything

714
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:42,719
that should have.

715
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Been we need to get rid Of Jaln brown, Now

716
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,119
and by the, WAY i think what's also risky here

717
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,360
Is Jason. Tatum if you're picking between the two. Players

718
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,719
it's not a. CONTEST i think there's also a SUBSET

719
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,519
i didn't know this either of fans that Believe Jalen

720
00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:01,360
brown is better Than Jason. Tatum Jason tatum finished last

721
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,320
year injured after coming off The achilles and so it's

722
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,559
a risk to trade what's been one of the most

723
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,159
durable guys in the, league especially who's been able to

724
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:14,239
handle a pretty heavy defensive. Workload that's also Like Paul George,

725
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:18,079
durability that type of defensive workload isn't his bag. Anymore

726
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,760
SO i was Looking Jalen brown are the last half.

727
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,000
Decade four times in the last half decade has played

728
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,800
over fifteen hundred minutes while ranking in the seventy fifth

729
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,920
percentile or better of self created shot making efficiency and defensive.

730
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: Workload the only other.

731
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: Players who have done the same while playing one thousand

732
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,480
minutes or more four times in the past half decade

733
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,960
Was Michale bridges Dearon fox AND i can't even remember

734
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,679
who the other name. WAS i already forgot, it but

735
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,280
it was like a it wasn't og Why I'M i

736
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,920
already forgetting what the name, was but he had value

737
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,800
to them even despite what the on off splits are,

738
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,960
saying And i'm just curious as to how, they maybe

739
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:58,280
some of the younger guys are able to paper over.

740
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,280
IT i did not come away From Brad stevens's press, conference,

741
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,639
though thinking that another move was around the. CORNER i

742
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:06,719
think a lot of people have been waiting for something

743
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,880
to happen this, offseason AND i don't know THAT i see.

744
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 3: IT i agree with that that was thought the IMPRESSION

745
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,880
i got either from reading what he.

746
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: Said, no, finally just thoughts On Donovan mitchell got the full.

747
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,360
BOAT i was wondering if he was going to take

748
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,119
less than the than the especially because did you see

749
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,480
the report that The celtics were trying to negotiate With

750
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,840
Giannis they didn't want to give him the full thirty

751
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,599
five percent max and an extension and that's why the deal.

752
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,559
Speaker 2: FELT i don't know if that's, true but that was the.

753
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: Report so you see things like, that and we're having

754
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,800
all these circular conversations about the importance of balancing out your.

755
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,239
Books can't have too many expensive. Stars So i'm just

756
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,079
waiting for who's the guy who's the bigger name that's

757
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,280
going to get, squeezed and they just Dearon. Fox No Brainer,

758
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,400
Max Jaron Jackson, Junior No Brainer, max renegotiate and Extend Donovan,

759
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,599
mitchell no Brainer. Max which his total COMMITMENT i threw

760
00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,639
out three hundred and twenty three million dollars. BEFORE i

761
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,519
don't even know if that's. Right his total commitment now

762
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:06,360
is five years and three hundred and twenty three point

763
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:06,880
six million.

764
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: Dollars, yeah remaining on his deal.

765
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: Almost three hundred Mili oh more, yeah more and more, more. Yeah.

766
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,519
Yeah the extension is for for two seventy seven, plus

767
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,960
but including this, year he's now up to five and

768
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,639
three twenty three plus a lot of.

769
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: Money.

770
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: Yes so my thoughts on that, are we need to

771
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,800
talk about cap percentages and we need to make sure

772
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,039
that people are aligned on just what a NEW nba contract,

773
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,800
is because he's going to have a player option of forty,

774
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,360
no seventy five, million and that seems, preposterous but that

775
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,559
is where the cap is. Now like we are approaching

776
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:50,360
AN nba where, players the superstars are getting approximately one

777
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,239
hundred million dollars a, year and we still have fans who, say,

778
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,400
oh fifteen million a year for a starting small forward

779
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:03,519
is too. Expensive, Nope, nope so we need to like

780
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,480
re educate people on the salary cap and and basically

781
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:11,840
what contracts are nowadays because people ARE i saw the

782
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,199
reactions to this, was, WELL.

783
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:17,159
Speaker 1: Nba, contracts it's gotten out of. Hand they. Haven't they haven't.

784
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,360
Changed it's it's the same.

785
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: Percentage it's it's just that the cap increased and so

786
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,760
the volume of the, Contract, yeah.

787
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: It, is and it isn't the same percentage because of

788
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:31,719
like the way that the if you're looking at how

789
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,440
the contracts, are Like Donovan, mitchell's like the average percentage

790
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,079
of the cap based off, projection he's gonna be worth

791
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,079
thirty five point one four percent over the next five

792
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:44,159
years and that's including this year when he's not on

793
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:45,119
the thirty five percent.

794
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: Max so there is there.

795
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: Is something to that where the cap, growth like the

796
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,119
raises on these contracts are now outpacing the salary cap, growth,

797
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:57,719
Right and so this deal For mitchell is, ACTUALLY i,

798
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,639
know it's only a couple percentage. Points we're talking about

799
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,280
millions of dollars a year at that, Point so it's

800
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,599
like his salary is gonna end up on his player option, year,

801
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,400
yeah which is like that's a huge for someone going

802
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,159
into his age thirty four. Season who's a small. Guard

803
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,960
he has the three point shot making going for. Him

804
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,320
i'm Just i've had this conversation With. Grant i'm not

805
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:21,840
advocating for, it although again this is collectively.

806
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,599
Speaker 2: BARGAINED i DON'T i don't know.

807
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,679
Speaker 1: THAT i think we're going to reach a point where

808
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,559
these players are going to have to make the binary

809
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:30,280
choice of, well DO i want to be on a

810
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,119
contender deeper into my career or DO i want these max?

811
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,000
Deals BECAUSE i think part of the issue with even

812
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,320
if you say you can only give out one or

813
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,159
TWO max, deals the most expensive players also tend to

814
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:43,920
be the oldest when we're talking about, stars and so

815
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,480
they're at a point where their production is like underpacing

816
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,440
what they're being.

817
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: Paid brian AND i had that conversation for almost ten,

818
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,519
years and it's such a. PROBLEM i still think the

819
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,480
thirty five percent max should be after year seven and

820
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,960
up till to year, ten and then the year ten

821
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,480
max should be thirty. PERCENT i just flib.

822
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:09,599
Speaker 1: It there's ALL i, mean there's also been the there's the,

823
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:12,119
pitch AND i Think Bobby marx has been one of

824
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,280
the biggest advocates of this is that you still give

825
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,159
out like the thirty five percent max can still be given,

826
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:21,840
out but it would only apply as thirty percent of

827
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,239
the salary. Cap and he likened it to do you

828
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,760
know how right, Now let's say if you sign a

829
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,920
veteran minimum, contract but you have ten plus years of,

830
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,480
experience your minimum salary is what in twenty twenty, six

831
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,280
twenty twenty, seven that is three point nine, million but

832
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,639
you're only going to count against the books for two

833
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,320
point four to five, million and so it was a

834
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Similar it was like an analog for, that but you're

835
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:50,480
just dealing with higher dollar. AMOUNTS i don't THINK i

836
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,840
THINK i like, that especially if you're couching it with

837
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,000
the player needed to have been drafted by the team

838
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,800
or traded on his rookie. Scale that just wanted to

839
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,320
apply To Donovan, mitchell then it won't apply To giannis With,

840
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,440
miami and that's the would Have it might have kept

841
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,679
The celtics together though it would be an instance where

842
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,039
it would.

843
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 3: Apply, yeah, yeah it. Might so how. Old i'm just

844
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,360
trying to figure Out mitchell, here like he's he's in

845
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,000
his age thirty, season right or is he Entering.

846
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah this contract goes through his age thirty four.

847
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 4: Season, yeah it's, look he kind of signed the guys

848
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,280
to keep your competitive, window because it makes sense if

849
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,280
you win a, chip right, like and you in order

850
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:32,760
to win.

851
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 3: A, chip you have to have your best guys. There,

852
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,400
like is that deal going to age probably horrendously later? On, yeah,

853
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:42,079
yeah when he picks up a seventy five million dollar

854
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,920
player option at the age of what forty, four that's

855
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:50,119
going to be. Problematic, Absolutely but you just you don't

856
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:54,199
have a. Choice, Uh i'd be.

857
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:57,159
Speaker 1: Curious i'd be curious if there was any negotiation or

858
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,559
if they just came to him with, this, right this

859
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,400
is this is gonna be like how it goes With wemby.

860
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: Too it's just gonna be like knock, Knock yeah it's,

861
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,280
Time oh all, Right i'll sign.

862
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: It, okay, Cool it's gonna be.

863
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,559
Speaker 2: That he's also so much Like.

864
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: Donovan mitchell is the perfect example because he's probably at

865
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,880
the point in his career where now it becomes a

866
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,079
discussion as to when how much more can how much

867
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:19,719
longer can.

868
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,079
Speaker 2: He provide live up to the value of that.

869
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:27,519
Speaker 1: CONTRACT i think he's probably IF i had to, GUESS i,

870
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,280
mean he's been entrenched in the ALL nba discussion every single,

871
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,639
year and so if he stays that course for the

872
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,639
next two to three, years then you're only looking at, all,

873
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,360
right the final two years of this deal or what's?

874
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,039
Speaker 3: Underwater, yeah and that's not. BAD i, mean that's that's

875
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,000
just how it. Is that's the price of doing. Business

876
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,599
like there are other CONTRACTS i would point to as more. Worrisome,

877
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,079
yep that was the GUY i had in. Mind, Yes,

878
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,519
uh would you rather? Have so their commitments are.

879
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Different But Devin booker four years and two hundred and

880
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,719
fifty point six million Or Donovan mitchell owed five, years

881
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,119
three hundred and twenty three, Million give me that. Again

882
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,679
Devin booker's got Four i'll round it down four years

883
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,360
and two fifty For Devin, booker five years and three

884
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,480
twenty three For Donovan.

885
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:17,639
Speaker 2: Mitchell who would you rather?

886
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: HAVE i Like Mitchell, moore So i'm gonna Go. MITCHELL

887
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,360
i believe the right answer is Probably, mitchell BUT I

888
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,159
i feel LIKE i might Pick Devin. Booker i'm, like

889
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:29,960
just such A Devin booker stand that it's probably.

890
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,079
Speaker 2: Disgusting my value is.

891
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:36,039
Speaker 1: Playmaking would you take both of those guys Over Diaron

892
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,360
fox's four for two twenty.

893
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: One, yeah all, right there you. Go that's that's good

894
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:41,719
damning with fame.

895
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,159
Speaker 1: PRAISE i, mean, OH i Like, fox but like that

896
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,639
that deal was it was a forty Percent. Max just

897
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:52,199
it's it's interesting BECAUSE i THINK i said this in

898
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,639
this first, section it's less problematic For San antonio than

899
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,559
basically any other team in the. League, yeah which is

900
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,119
why it's. Interesting, uh unless you have anything. Else the

901
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:03,159
actual final addendum here we did not get the news though.

902
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,159
More BUT i have to ask you where Is Lebron james?

903
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,079
Going and people have asked me Why i've called this

904
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,159
four point. Zero it's because it's the fourth time that

905
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:14,159
he'll be changing teams in free, agency So i'm calling

906
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,880
It Lebron watch four Point oh that's very. Creative it's not.

907
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,760
Creative i'm just some people want why is it Like

908
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:25,880
lebron Watched part one and forty? Seven so, okay are

909
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,719
you asking me WHERE i think he'll go or WHERE

910
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,559
i want him to?

911
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:31,159
Speaker 2: Go let's do. Both where do you want him to?

912
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 1: Go? Spurs they're not even on or they're not even

913
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:36,639
on The they're on the, whiteboard but they're not on

914
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:37,079
the final.

915
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:38,119
Speaker 2: LIST i don't.

916
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,039
Speaker 1: Care that's WHERE i want him to go because that

917
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:42,360
makes sense to play with The Martin rosen got it

918
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,400
with the mar.

919
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: And harry b who's. RETURNING i just wanted an old man. Crowd,

920
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,199
NO i think HE'LL i think he'll Be. Cleveland he'll

921
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,840
sign some Major netflix deal and then just it's the final,

922
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,280
year it's going to be a For well.

923
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: Show it's going to Be. Cleveland, yeah it does seem

924
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,320
like it's pointing To. CLEVELAND i Predicted Golden. State grant

925
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,639
talked me into it because The Golden state's been big

926
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:13,320
on the meaningful basketball. Terminology and then there was the

927
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,639
quote that was released that Said lebron wants to play meaningful.

928
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,599
BASKETBALL i thought it was a tie, in But i'd

929
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,239
rather see him just go somewhere else other Than. Cleveland

930
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,920
there's just a lot of been, There done that for.

931
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,920
ME i know it's there's the poeticism of, it but been,

932
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,440
there done, That AND i flip. FLOPPED i, SAID i

933
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,639
Predicted Golden. STATE i was on A cleveland radio station

934
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,880
the other day and, said it feels like it's just

935
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,239
going to Be cleveland at this.

936
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,679
Speaker 2: Juncture and if that's what it. Is i'm not just.

937
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,679
BORING i get. It good for, him it's his.

938
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,519
Speaker 1: Choice but if if you were to try and make

939
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,719
the case where we're going to try and win a

940
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,000
title do the most for his, legacy.

941
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 2: What's the? Team is it still The? Spurs, no.

942
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,039
Speaker 1: Genuinely, asking because if you win a title with a fourth,

943
00:45:56,079 --> 00:46:01,800
team that's. Insane oh, Sure but like he wouldn't be

944
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,320
like the main, guy you, KNOW i mean he would be.

945
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: What what team are we talking? About you Said? Spurs, well,

946
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,360
men where would? You where would be the if you

947
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,280
were trying to boost your?

948
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: Legacy IF i want a title, HERE i think the

949
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,280
most people the answer has Been. Minnesota imagine going To

950
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,719
minnesota and winning. Title, yeah that's a good, one, NO

951
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,360
I i but, LIKE i don't know If lebron has

952
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,239
grown like above that now with the title stuff and

953
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,159
like you just want the story now and stuff the.

954
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:36,199
Titles but like if he were to finish out his

955
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,039
career with the, title that would be pretty. Epic where

956
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:41,760
the hell is? That?

957
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: Though we're Not?

958
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: Denver then if he goes To, denver everything is safe

959
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,599
from what we talked about. Earlier what is oh what,

960
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,000
yo kitch isn't going. Anywhere is that what you're talking.

961
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,920
ABOUT i, mean it's just like it's just like then

962
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,079
we're talking They're gonnada or they're gonna Trade Christian brown

963
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:04,480
and they're gonna. Salary it's, like all, right it's, fine

964
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,760
just go, ahead you're Getting, Lebron it's. Okay. YEAH i,

965
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,039
mean if you Keep Peyton, watson bring In, lebron and

966
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:11,719
you don't have to Trade gordon Or Jamal, murray you

967
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,519
can do whatever you. WANT i THINK i Prefer Cam

968
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:18,719
johnson still be, there but still, Right detroit would be

969
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,840
enough if he was looking to really like, that that

970
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,199
would be another good one of the teams that are

971
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,639
still being, mentioned though it's Probably minnesota Because i've only Seen, Denver,

972
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,960
Minnesota cleveland Or Golden state as the or My miami's

973
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,559
just that's been, there done that for, me and they're

974
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,880
not gonna win with him there too thin same Got

975
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,639
lebron And. LaMelo, okay, yep oh, Man, yeah he would

976
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:44,079
definitely institute of BEDTIME tv after dinner on game.

977
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: Nights, RIGHT i love. IT i love.

978
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: It and as soon as he sees That hummer drive

979
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,719
out of the drive out of the, arena he's gonna

980
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,760
call him, like don't you do that shit?

981
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: Again, well he's gonna be one to call the cops

982
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,559
out on the, pan, RIGHT i.

983
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,079
Speaker 1: DO i did find it funny that part of The

984
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:04,159
wolves's pitch was, hey come play With it was just

985
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:07,639
like so. Uninspiring it was just them listing their. Roster,

986
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,800
basically they're trying to Pitch Lebron i'm playing With Rudy

987
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,400
LaMelo ball And Anthony Edwards and it's, like, yes those

988
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,119
are and d the players were on.

989
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,039
Speaker 2: The team that you would be selling him, on as

990
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:19,800
opposed to, like what are what are other teams pitching him?

991
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,440
On players they don't? HAVE i GUESS i. DON'T i

992
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,199
don't know.

993
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Right right or market value, like but but here In

994
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,599
minnesota we're, cold but we Have Anthony, edwards which you already.

995
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,320
Know here's our. Pitch it's. Great was there anything else

996
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,280
happening this offseason and free agency That Jalen durren thoughts

997
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,119
what's going on with him and The?

998
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: Pistons just, BRIEFLY i think his market has just right,

999
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,199
up AND i think the postseason ruined.

1000
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,159
Speaker 1: HIM i, LIKE i think he was really feel, yeah

1001
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,719
oh like he was just so. Bad he was so.

1002
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,360
Bad in the.

1003
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: POSTSEASON i think so many teams that were in on

1004
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,679
him before the start of the playoffs were, like uh oh,

1005
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:06,599
OH i, no we can't justify this at, all and well,

1006
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,159
rightfully so we'll see what. Happens he's probably looking for

1007
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:12,199
a sign and trade situation right now to get his,

1008
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,960
money BUT i would just really like to know where

1009
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,280
he'll try to find that.

1010
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: Market do you.

1011
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,679
Speaker 2: Think there's any chance he signs his qualifying? Offer?

1012
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: YEAH i. Do that would BE i, mean it happened

1013
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,719
a few times last, year but An ALL nba player

1014
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,519
sign when's? Less have An ALL nba player signed a qualifying?

1015
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:37,119
Offer has that ever? Happened greg went out didn't Make ALL,

1016
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,559
nba BUT i remember he was one of the bigger

1017
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:43,000
names that did. IT i don't think. So, No Jonathan

1018
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,239
kaminga Made ALL nba in his, mind SO i guess,

1019
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,360
mate does that count he didn't sign his qualifying?

1020
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: Offer never?

1021
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:53,679
Speaker 1: Mind, NO i THINK i think he's he's going to

1022
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,880
be in for a rough. TIME i don't even. Know

1023
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,199
The kings had been floated as the sign and trade.

1024
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,400
DESTINATION i don't even know the problem with that is

1025
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:06,000
who do they have That The pistons are gonna be, like,

1026
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,480
yeah well we'll negotiate a sign and trade because they

1027
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:11,440
can't just Take duran into. Anything they're in the tax

1028
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:13,800
right now or after waving To, rosen they should be.

1029
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,880
Fine BUT i don't even know what's going out in that.

1030
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,360
Deal they're trying to sell you on you get into

1031
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,159
base your compensation. Issues so it's not even Zach lavine

1032
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,360
wouldn't even. WORK i. KNOW i think it's going to

1033
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:27,840
be a tough.

1034
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,639
Speaker 3: One someone did, THIS i think On Blue sky just

1035
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,679
basically outlined how difficult that deal would.

1036
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: Be To sacramento. Specifically, yeah.

1037
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: It's a good.

1038
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,079
Speaker 3: QUESTION i don't know what's gonna happen. Here and like

1039
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,880
teams are drying up with cap space, too like there

1040
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,679
is a lot out. There it just seems to me

1041
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,159
like this this just reeks of a qualifying offer and

1042
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:55,960
then let's go back to the well next.

1043
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: Year so you think you think he's gonna sign his

1044
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,519
qualifying like you actually think that's what's going to.

1045
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,079
Speaker 3: Happen interesting unless they just have it comes To jesus

1046
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:06,599
moment both sides and, say, okay, look you Know kate

1047
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,760
is pushing us to really sign you and you guys

1048
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:12,840
do have a, great you, know great chemistry on the,

1049
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,039
Court like we expect you to get. Better we're hoping

1050
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,280
that the playoffs last year was just you, know you

1051
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,480
having an. ANEURYSM i mean that was. Me but like

1052
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,800
he just played so, Poorly Jesus. Christ that was just

1053
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,079
one of the worst Performances i'd seen from an OLD nba.

1054
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:34,360
Guy so like there might be, that but as of right,

1055
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,599
NOW i think he's probably inclined to take the C.

1056
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: Qo do you think what do you think the?

1057
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:46,159
Speaker 1: Op BUT i guess if You're, detroit what is your

1058
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,960
what are you maxing? Him what is your max value on?

1059
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,760
Him would you give him The so the max another

1060
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,960
team could have given him was four, years one hundred

1061
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,800
and seventy seven point three. Million do you think that's

1062
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,719
the number there we'll.

1063
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: Want to get.

1064
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,599
Speaker 1: To do you Think Walker castler getting four for one

1065
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,840
thirty help or hurt? Him hurt him in the sense

1066
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,159
because The lakers are. Out but.

1067
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: So let's, see what is twenty percent of the salary?

1068
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,039
Cap that is like forty three, million, right forty two

1069
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:13,480
forty three?

1070
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: Million that sounds about.

1071
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: Right Walker kesser's on the books for thirty point two

1072
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:19,639
and is eighteen point three percent of the.

1073
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:26,599
Speaker 3: Cap, Okay so If I'm, detroit that's What i'm. Offering

1074
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,400
i'm offering a flat rate of twenty, percent so basically

1075
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,000
twenty percent year, one and then that number flat throughout

1076
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:34,280
the remainder of the.

1077
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,119
Speaker 2: Contract so it would it de escalates in percentage of the.

1078
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Cap, yeah but like the number stays the same as

1079
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,840
something Like Jalen johnson's. Contract. Wow, YEAH i think if

1080
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,760
that's their, OFFER i would understand it from their, perspective

1081
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,400
and it's their Perspective i've been approaching it. From, yes

1082
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,239
if that's the offer, though then, YEAH i would think

1083
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,559
That jalen durn ends up signing his qualifying. Offer.

1084
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:01,119
Speaker 2: Right their off season's been, Well i'll talk about them another.

1085
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:02,960
Time their off season has been. INTERESTING i think people

1086
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,440
were expecting more fireworks than. This. More you have anything else.

1087
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: You want to talk?

1088
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: About or can you tell our fine audience where they

1089
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,079
could find you and all the fantastic work that you.

1090
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: Do?

1091
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:13,039
Speaker 1: Yes.

1092
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely you can find me over at THE nba podcast

1093
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:20,440
over At Yahoo, sports and if you Understand, danish you

1094
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,679
can listen To Buster beater or catch from calling games

1095
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:24,599
ON hbo mec

1096
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: Until next, time and as, ALWAYS i leave you all

1097
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,559
with the shout out to the, one the, only the,

1098
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,440
indelible the one who could really bring The hornets to

1099
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,559
glory after they Traded LaMelo, ball Mister Frank Yila keina