Speaker 1: We're in we're in virtual reality, and you know, we're
Speaker 1: creating all these worlds that are farther and farther from
Speaker 1: like real organic worlds.
Speaker 2: Talking about that little workshop thing I'm doing, she talks about.
Speaker 1: How, yes, she she talked a lot about that.
Speaker 2: And she also talked about how, you know, she struggled
Speaker 2: with like realizing that like, Okay, this is this is
Speaker 2: a this isn't all real like this this there is
Speaker 2: an element of this being like a hologram or whatever,
Speaker 2: like it could be like a virtual reality. But if
Speaker 2: it's real to you, then it's real, right, you know,
Speaker 2: just even if it is some sort of similation, even
Speaker 2: if the simulations theory does hold true, and and lots
Speaker 2: of aspects and a lot of things point to maybe
Speaker 2: this is a simulation, especially if you start really practicing
Speaker 2: the arts of manifestation and you start realizing how.
Speaker 3: Powerful your thoughts are and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, if that's all, if that stuff holds true, then
Speaker 2: it is some sort of weird, manipulatable situation, some simulation. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: that's fine, But at the same time, the word real,
Speaker 2: we don't we don't even really know what that we
Speaker 2: don't know what baseline is or not. And so that's
Speaker 2: where you just kind of got to go, like, all right,
Speaker 2: before I get to down that rabbit hole and start,
Speaker 2: you know, freaking out about stuff. I feel like whatever
Speaker 2: I'm experienc right now seems real to me.
Speaker 1: So that's true. That's the same way I feel.
Speaker 3: It's like you have to hold on to that for
Speaker 3: as much of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's nice to like to think about it.
Speaker 1: And maybe that is true and fine, but like you're saying,
Speaker 1: you were still living this reality in this consciousness.
Speaker 2: So what's difference If it's as a video game and
Speaker 2: this is the level I'm in right now, doesn't change
Speaker 2: that I can't get out of this level and this.
Speaker 3: Is where I'm at right now, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know I have to be a better Zelda character
Speaker 2: and figure out how to get to the next world. Sure,
Speaker 2: maybe that's the thing, but for right now, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I got to.
Speaker 3: Stay in this one yeah, complete this level first.
Speaker 1: Right, and all these things happening at one once one time? Whoa,
Speaker 1: that is crazy? And multiple timelines.
Speaker 2: Wow, oh the timeline thing that's really does in my head,
Speaker 2: and especially when you start thinking about the Mandela effect
Speaker 2: and how okay, well maybe that's.
Speaker 3: Universal line and other timelines.
Speaker 1: Yes, it blows my mind is just wow. And and
Speaker 1: fractals like how okay, I guess this goes to like
Speaker 1: I just I keep seeing fractals and everything. I keep
Speaker 1: seeing everything as a fractal, like the whole inner Earth
Speaker 1: thing that's just a fractal of the of this body,
Speaker 1: which is just a fractal of this larger universe or
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, universe, I guess, which is just
Speaker 1: a fractal of something else, like these endless fractals. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the fractal thing I totally saw when
Speaker 2: I was on mushrooms, I mean. And then I also
Speaker 2: like I sometimes, like last night, I actually had a
Speaker 2: dream like right before I went to sleep where and
Speaker 2: I used to have these dreams a lot when I
Speaker 2: was little, But things like like scales of things would
Speaker 2: be would almost make me nauseous, like like something would
Speaker 2: go so tiny to where I could I couldn't even
Speaker 2: conceive it to like so huge, and it would like
Speaker 2: fluctuate back and forth, and like I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: like I could be looking at this cup and in
Speaker 2: my dream it could be like room down to like.
Speaker 1: Like I've had that same experience.
Speaker 2: Oh you have.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. That's good because I've tried to explain
Speaker 3: that to somebody before and they've just been I'm what
Speaker 3: you're saying. That sounds.
Speaker 1: I just was thinking about it the other day. I
Speaker 1: was like, why does that happen sometimes? And what is
Speaker 1: what is happening when that happened?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it makes me uncomfortable, Like physically
Speaker 2: I can get a little bit nauseous with it.
Speaker 1: It's almost like vertigo kind of but not quite because
Speaker 1: you're just like it's like Alice in Wonderland, like boom.
Speaker 2: Big and then small yes, and then and then no
Speaker 2: time flat yes. For me, I feel like it always
Speaker 2: happens in that in between sleep and awake state, Like
Speaker 2: it's like it's like I'm heading into dreamland. I'm just
Speaker 2: about to fall asleep, but I'm not quite there yet,
Speaker 2: but I'm still conscious, Like that's where that's when I
Speaker 2: experienced this this thing, And uh yeah, I I I
Speaker 2: now kind of think of it as fractal land.
Speaker 1: H I didn't think of it like that mine happens.
Speaker 1: I suppose that use may have happened between dream state
Speaker 1: and waking state. But now it just it happens in
Speaker 1: my regular conscious reality, like during the day when I'm awaiting.
Speaker 2: When I was younger, it used to happen to me
Speaker 2: and during the day all the time too, like like daydreaming.
Speaker 2: I would just like kind of like start zoning out
Speaker 2: and then like, uh, I could I could see, I
Speaker 2: could just envision, like and and sometimes it's a feeling too,
Speaker 2: like I could feel the expanse of things and then I.
Speaker 1: Feel it, yes, exactly. I just was thinking about that
Speaker 1: not even two days ago, within the last couple of days,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what what exactly is happening when
Speaker 1: that happens? Like what is what what's happening with either
Speaker 1: dimensions or my mind? Or what exactly is going on?
Speaker 1: What does this happen? And how? Yeah, and and sometimes
Speaker 1: when it's happening, I try to figure out, like what's happening,
Speaker 1: And I'm very aware of it when it's happening, and
Speaker 1: I kind of like watch and observe it. But then
Speaker 1: there's there's like no control over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it doesn't last that long, but it's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you like it or not? Because I never
Speaker 2: really have liked it. For I wouldn't say like I
Speaker 2: hated it. It's just like when it comes, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to observe it why I have it, But
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily like the feeling.
Speaker 1: That's the same, that's exactly the same feeling I have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I yes, it's not like a dislike or like.
Speaker 1: I just kind of observe it and I just try
Speaker 1: to figure out why, and I just know it's going
Speaker 1: to end, and it's just like that's it. It's weird.
Speaker 1: It's a really weird feeling. It's not like, actually I
Speaker 1: remember almost the first time that had happened, and it
Speaker 1: happened in my adult life. This was weird, and I
Speaker 1: kind of always go back to that experience. My friend's
Speaker 1: father had died and I was coming back from the
Speaker 1: funeral and I was sitting in my car. I was
Speaker 1: probably like twenty five or something, and I was thinking
Speaker 1: about him, and I I liked him as a person.
Speaker 1: He was a very nice man, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I just saw him and he just like floated backwards
Speaker 1: into foreverness and just like expanded expanded. It wasn't really like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't him. It was like the essence of him.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I saw him, you know, like a
Speaker 1: ghost or something, but I just like I imagined him.
Speaker 1: But then all like I thought of him and then
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden that experience happened and
Speaker 1: it but it was him going back and back and
Speaker 1: back and back into earth, I mean like into the
Speaker 1: into the sky. And it was just weird because I
Speaker 1: associated it with like my feeling that I was that
Speaker 1: I had of like sadness and like that I liked
Speaker 1: him and like whatever that feeling was that I was having,
Speaker 1: Like I associated that experience with that. So then every
Speaker 1: time I have it, I'm like like I try to
Speaker 1: figure out, like is there a connection to that event
Speaker 1: or to that feeling of during that event, But that's
Speaker 1: never that that hasn't it hasn't like revolved around that.
Speaker 2: So my mine had mine started before I remember like
Speaker 2: I remember, uh that it was something that like was
Speaker 2: real little like my earliest memories, I used to have
Speaker 2: like this weird scale thing that would go on and
Speaker 2: then I also remember being able to kind of induce
Speaker 2: it when I was little by I would do like
Speaker 2: this whole thing where you like pressed.
Speaker 3: On your eyeballs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're laying in bed and then like like
Speaker 2: you start seeing like little little stars or like kaleidoscope
Speaker 2: looking stuff and I would squitch my I played with
Speaker 2: that like whole thing a lot when I was really little.
Speaker 3: I used to love doing that.
Speaker 2: And then because I was like, I'm like seeing the stars,
Speaker 2: do you the first saw stuff? And then sometimes like
Speaker 2: that would that would make it darn? And then the
Speaker 2: first time I I kind of identified.
Speaker 3: It as like a some something is happening.
Speaker 2: Was I watched Fantasia, the Disney movie and it should
Speaker 2: and it there's a part where it shows like the strings,
Speaker 2: like the vibration of what sound sounds like like this
Speaker 2: is an ovo and it'll be and it would be
Speaker 2: like boom, and it had like all these weird designs
Speaker 2: where things would get bigger then small, like where if
Speaker 2: it was loud it was expanded, and then if it
Speaker 2: was silent like that. And I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: probably the closest visualization I could get to the feeling
Speaker 2: that I feel with my cell back and forth right,
Speaker 2: So it was like that, So I remember when I
Speaker 2: was that's so then like I don't remember the first
Speaker 2: time I watched fantasos like Little Kid like five or something,
Speaker 2: and then I remember thinking to myself, Okay, so it
Speaker 2: must have something to do with sound because or like now,
Speaker 2: vibration has something to do with vibration, something to do
Speaker 2: with energy like the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the waves or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the waves of things.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, somehow your brain is like caught
Speaker 1: in that wave or yeah. I don't know, but that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I can I can see that that.
Speaker 1: That's a good analogy or connection. Yeah, well one time,
Speaker 1: I mean everything that well, first, the joej just Beenza
Speaker 1: series that I was watching on Gaya has this The
Speaker 1: last episode is him using a kaleidoscope and he had
Speaker 1: like this kaleidoscope guy who had three generations of kaleidoscope
Speaker 1: makers in his yeah, in his family. And he made
Speaker 1: this kaleidoscope meditation with from this guy and then had
Speaker 1: this music and there are all these like he walks
Speaker 1: you through his meditation. But the thing about it was
Speaker 1: he was talking about how geometric figures or geometric shapes
Speaker 1: helped to connect you to the like the other, like
Speaker 1: you know, like quantum world. Yeah, and they help you
Speaker 1: also to get like zoned in like your brain is
Speaker 1: gonna get zoned. But I was thinking about how all
Speaker 1: of these shapes appear when like the building blocks like
Speaker 1: of universes, like all these geometric and sacred geometry shapes appear,
Speaker 1: and it relates back to this crop circle. There's definitely
Speaker 1: some kind of connection. But then that him talking about
Speaker 1: that made me think of how I used to also
Speaker 1: do that with my eyes, because I was like, I
Speaker 1: feel like I used to see geometric shapes a lot,
Speaker 1: like when I was a kid. And the other thing
Speaker 1: I used to do when I was a kid was
Speaker 1: I had this this wallpaper on my closet which was
Speaker 1: mostly stripes, but it also had intersecting lines so they
Speaker 1: were like it was almost like a plaid. Oh right, Okay,
Speaker 1: it sounds totally ugly, but it was kind of only
Speaker 1: like medium ugly. It was fine for me at the time.
Speaker 1: But it was like purple and bank whatever. It was
Speaker 1: like these grids. And when I woke up in the morning,
Speaker 1: like on a Saturday morning, and I had time and
Speaker 1: I would just stay in bed, I would stare at
Speaker 1: it and my eyes would go in and out of focus,
Speaker 1: and like it would come three D at me and
Speaker 1: so I would be like I didn't know it, but
Speaker 1: I would be like putting myself into this trance and
Speaker 1: just being like like playing with my eyes and shifting it.
Speaker 1: But it kind of related to this whole like geometric
Speaker 1: thing and like you're getting your brain into this brainwave state,
Speaker 1: and I just like thought of that. So it's just weird.
Speaker 1: How like kids like just naturally do those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is it is weird.
Speaker 2: And I used to have a lot of out of
Speaker 2: body experiences when I was young, like more than I
Speaker 2: do now, where like I like right when I'd fall asleep,
Speaker 2: like I could literally get out of my body and
Speaker 2: like look at myself. Like I had multiple experiences where
Speaker 2: I could see my physical body as something looking at myself,
Speaker 2: and then I would like float to the edge of
Speaker 2: the steiling of the roof or something, and then I
Speaker 2: would get like jarred back in Wow.
Speaker 1: How old were you? Mm?
Speaker 2: Like however you are when you're like kindergarten like five six? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I like, I like that's when I started remembering that.
Speaker 3: But I I know I did that until I was
Speaker 3: probably like eight or nine. I would I would do.
Speaker 2: That a lot, and I uh, I always wanted to
Speaker 2: go further, but I would get pulled back in and
Speaker 2: I before I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe maybe for whatever reason, the physical ceiling was
Speaker 1: like mentally blocking.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I never I never went past the physical ceiling.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I've had similar expanding experiences but and being
Speaker 1: jarred back into my body, but never to the point
Speaker 1: where I was able to see my body. Not until
Speaker 1: as I was an adult, and then I was doing
Speaker 1: more like yeah exactly, and I did. I I was
Speaker 1: able to hear vibration as I went out of my body,
Speaker 1: and I could feel like the vibration as it was
Speaker 1: going back in, like when I was going in and out,
Speaker 1: you feel like this vibration. And I was able to
Speaker 1: hold it there, but I could never really like see it.
Speaker 1: I was able to like see my hands, but that
Speaker 1: was about it, you know.
Speaker 3: And my my left eye. Uh. Then this probably started
Speaker 3: four or five years ago.
Speaker 2: But uh, I would say often like maybe once a day,
Speaker 2: I see like when I like, I'll like all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, like close my eyes and I'll look up
Speaker 2: and I see, uh a bright blue spiral like oh
Speaker 2: big spiral, and yeah, in the bottom of my left
Speaker 2: eye and it's it's been bothering me. Like I asked
Speaker 2: the optometrist about it, and like he was like what,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Was, and it's not like because you're looking at your
Speaker 1: phone and like your eyes are changing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and it's the same, and it's always one
Speaker 2: eye and it and.
Speaker 3: It'll just be like and it doesn't last long.
Speaker 2: It's just like like I'll like close my eye, I'll
Speaker 2: open my eye and there'll be like h And it's
Speaker 2: not it's not my focal point.
Speaker 3: It's not what I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: It's in the prefer it's in my bottom pref real
Speaker 2: vision and it's a bright blue spiral.
Speaker 3: It's been going on for five six years now.
Speaker 1: Oh strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want know what to do about us.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well I had one other out of It
Speaker 1: wasn't really an out of buddy experience. I think I've
Speaker 1: told you this, but one time Petro made these like
Speaker 1: crazy brownies, like special brownies, and it was the first
Speaker 1: time I'm making those special brownies. So he had no idea.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. So I wound up eating it
Speaker 1: and thinking let's just chill and watch a movie. Like
Speaker 1: five minutes into the movie, I was like oh shit,
Speaker 1: this is the most intense thing I'm about to experience,
Speaker 1: And sure enough it was. It was like it was
Speaker 1: totally crazy. I did not know what to do with myself.
Speaker 1: So finally I was like, oh, I gotta go to bed,
Speaker 1: you know. So I just I finally fell asleep. But
Speaker 1: it was an out of body or I don't even
Speaker 1: know what it was, but I just I could see
Speaker 1: like a it was almost like that same experience like
Speaker 1: a tunnel or a like this like that thing when
Speaker 1: it was like what we were just talking about when
Speaker 1: you go like out big and like forward, and there
Speaker 1: was that and it was like I was going through
Speaker 1: a tunnel of time, and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: was just like it was like flipping through pages of
Speaker 1: a book and it was like later I was like,
Speaker 1: that was probably my Akashik records that I was going through,
Speaker 1: and I was looking and then I just saw at
Speaker 1: one point, I don't even know if it was me,
Speaker 1: but it was something just standing there like like in India,
Speaker 1: from India, goddess or god that had like you know,
Speaker 1: like this like all the arms going and like standing
Speaker 1: in this you know, like like in a pose, like
Speaker 1: in a dance position, or in a pose and then
Speaker 1: like doing this dance and then it was just like
Speaker 1: all this thing in the background that looked like it
Speaker 1: was either from India or Egypt. And then that was
Speaker 1: like the most visual that I got. But then it
Speaker 1: was then that stopped, and then I was like like
Speaker 1: I was going through another like going through pages of
Speaker 1: a book, and then it would like come to another image.
Speaker 1: But that was the only one that I remembered.
Speaker 3: It was crazy, was just us, but that's the only
Speaker 3: one that you stuck with you.
Speaker 1: That was the only one that stuck with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that the fact that I was going through like time,
Speaker 1: It was like I was going through all of these
Speaker 1: time this time period.
Speaker 2: It is interesting that, like you know, special brown or
Speaker 2: marijuana does mess with your sense of time in general.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 3: That's true. It's true.
Speaker 2: But I mean like I did some some ones that
Speaker 2: were pretty heavy, some pretty special cookies and why and
Speaker 2: it was like I didn't get visuals, but it would
Speaker 2: be like I don't like I'm not a big fan
Speaker 2: in general of all that of marijuana just because I
Speaker 2: don't like the messing with my time that much. But
Speaker 2: the thing is is like if I moved my hand
Speaker 2: like this, like I could fill my energy body move
Speaker 2: like a delay.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was any time I was moving, I could felt,
Speaker 2: I could feel. So it felt like I was on
Speaker 2: a psychedelic but with no visuals. So it was just
Speaker 2: like like I felt like my energy body and my
Speaker 2: physical body were no longer in sync.
Speaker 3: They weren't connected. So like I feel like everything felt
Speaker 3: weird and slow.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, I'm going to
Speaker 2: fall out of my body if I don't want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think that's one of the that's one
Speaker 1: of the gifts of it. You know, it's it's like
Speaker 1: it's a totally different perception, but it could get pretty intense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the time thing, and just like that feeling
Speaker 1: of being like being yeah, just a slow motion of
Speaker 1: like something having done something and then being like whoa,
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't had that experience in so long. Whoa, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well maybe I should do that I have that experience
Speaker 1: again anyway. Now. I just figure. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think that it's a it's definitely a medicinal plant, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a nerve for for for medicine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just abused a lot for a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's exactly what I think. That's that's like pretty
Speaker 1: much it. I think it's abused and overused. But like
Speaker 1: the essence of her is, you know, just like her
Speaker 1: gift to the world, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just think it's like a thing
Speaker 3: that you should have.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like mushrooms.
Speaker 2: You can't take mushrooms all the time, Like, I think
Speaker 2: those are very it should be special occasions.
Speaker 1: Stuff, right, yeah, with intention.
Speaker 3: With intention, like that's the thing. But whatever teach there.
Speaker 3: They can all do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 1: I don't care right exactly people you know, they're just
Speaker 1: experimenting to