WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:00.400 Hi. 2 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:01.439 My name is Tom Welling. 3 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:03.879 I played Clark Kent on Smallville and you are listening 4 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:08.519 to Always hold on to Smallville. 5 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.600 Welcome to Always hold on to Smallville and this podcast 6 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:56.799 we talk about each and every episode with a Young 7 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:59.320 Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to 8 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:02.679 two thousand e on the WB and the c W. 9 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.599 I'm your hose Zach Moore, and I'm joined by webmaster 10 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.480 of krypton site and kse At TV, an author of 11 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:15.799 several small Villa the Official Companions available wherever books are sold, 12 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:17.000 Craig Burn. 13 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.079 What's up, Craig, Hey, good to be here again. I'm 14 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.480 so excited to talk about one of my favorite episodes 15 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:23.239 of the whole series. 16 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:26.560 Favorite episodes of the whole series, one of them high praise, 17 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.400 high praise. Now you know, Craig, I went to go 18 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.159 to my shelf to pull off my small Ville Official 19 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:33.719 Companion season ten. I couldn't find it. 20 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.879 That's very unfortunate. Uh, tweet at Titan Books or X 21 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:41.439 whatever you call it now and tell them that you 22 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.680 want more companion guides by me hopefully, because that's. 23 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.760 Absolutely no I gotta say. You know that the trivia 24 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:50.959 has dried up. As far as A nine and ten 25 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:54.319 has gone, it was such a no pun intended. They 26 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:57.840 were such a constant companion truly through my whole podcast. 27 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:02.519 Well, it's also unfortunate because there's some stories that now 28 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:06.680 will never be told on the record, you know, because 29 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.680 we never got to finish those books. Like I remember 30 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:14.439 I once I once asked some of the small Bull writers. 31 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.680 I think it was like after Doomsday. I was like, so, 32 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:21.159 why was Jimmy so poor? He was selling drugs or something, 33 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:24.240 and then the next week he could afford Watchtower for 34 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.719 Chloe and there was like a whole convoluted backstory I 35 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:29.879 was told for how he did it, And it's like, 36 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:31.680 why do we not have that on the right. 37 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:34.759 Oh, so they actually thought it through, something about his. 38 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.599 Father being this like major thief or something. Wow. 39 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:39.960 Okayay, krudos to them for at least thinking that through. 40 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.439 But yeah, or I also asked which season was it 41 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.280 where we ended the season with the fortress shut off? 42 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:49.800 Oh? That was that was season eight? 43 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:53.280 Okay, because I think it was season nine. 44 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:57.360 It was working again, he's just talking to Jarrel training that. Yeah. 45 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.199 At the season nine premiere party, I asked one of 46 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.759 the writers about that and they're, uh, he plugged it 47 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:07.439 in there, you go. So you know, those stories would 48 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:08.599 be fun to have out there. 49 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.120 Because I feel like, you know, obviously you interviewed a 50 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:15.520 lot of people, got a lot of quotes, couldn't put 51 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:19.120 everything in there, but I think most of the stuff 52 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:21.360 in there that even did make the cut was very 53 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.400 honest and very kind of well humored. And you know, 54 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.560 I really enjoyed all those quotes and insight from everybody 55 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.039 over the course of those books. And yeah, it would 56 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:31.759 absolutely be great to have an eight nine ten or 57 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.360 even just a eight nine in ten together or you 58 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:34.680 know some. 59 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.360 I've all believe me, Like I've actually pitched the idea 60 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.560 of doing eight nine and ten in one volume, And 61 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:44.759 it would be fun for me because, like when I'm 62 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:47.360 watching these episodes, like for your podcast or just for 63 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:51.199 my own fun, there's stuff I completely forgot, even if 64 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.240 it's like a major plot point. Like I watched the 65 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.680 episode where Martha and Perry come back. Somehow I forgot 66 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.240 about the Red Queen. Yeah, I don't know how I 67 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.159 forgot about the Red Queen, but I'm watching him like, 68 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:06.759 oh okay. 69 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.400 I feel like I feel like the show forgot about 70 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.319 the Red Queen and season ten. Get we'll get there, okay, 71 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.800 I remember obviously, I have fun memories of Martha kent 72 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.639 reappearing on the series, and I thank goodness and Neto 73 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:20.759 Tool came back several episodes of season ten fantastic. But 74 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:22.519 I don't know how they're like, hey, you're still the 75 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.920 Red Queen. I don't know if that ever came up again. 76 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:26.920 As much as I love season nine, but. 77 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.519 You know, watching you know, a couple of weeks ago 78 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.920 before even doing this, I watched like Salvation and then 79 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:37.399 Lastirus and it's just such a good string of episodes. 80 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:40.519 It's like, yeah, wait to see what happens next, and 81 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.279 just knowing it's the final season and that you know 82 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:47.800 they're gonna hopefully try to put their ducks where they 83 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.879 need to go. It's just fun. It's a fun moment. 84 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:53.399 It was a fun moment to be a fan of 85 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:53.879 the show. 86 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.600 So yeah, yeah, going into it knowing it is the 87 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.959 final season, right, It's all been discussed, like you know, 88 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:06.680 season season nine, Craig, they always knew they were beginning 89 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.079 of season ten, correct. 90 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.079 They I think they knew, but they didn't announce it 91 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:17.079 because I remember the Comic Con before season nine, I 92 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:19.000 think Brian and Kelly have to onions you guys want 93 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:23.079 season ten too, and everyone's like yeah, but yeah, I 94 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:27.920 had no idea personally. And then I feel like the 95 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.920 season ten being the final season thing came out from Tom, 96 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:35.120 like the night before upfront gotcha, like somebody saw him 97 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.120 in an event and the announcement came. But you know, 98 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:42.240 even during that final season, I remember Michael Ausiello at 99 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.639 tv Line frequently right about a show that was announced 100 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:49.839 as canceled might be continuing after all, And I know 101 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.519 so many Smallville fans thought that's what he was talking about. 102 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.480 It was actually like major crimes or something like that. 103 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:02.879 But I do remember that being a thought at the time, like, well, 104 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:03.959 maybe it's not the. 105 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.839 Yeah season eleven, Yeah. 106 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.639 Yeah, But I mean I think we all knew Tom was, 107 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.600 you know done. Yeah, we don't play. 108 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.600 It's a nice round number ten. Yeah right, I'm like sure, great? 109 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.800 And season nine. I love season nine. It's one of 110 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:20.959 my top seasons. I was like high on season ten. 111 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.279 They've rebounded from the what I thought was a tail 112 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.680 spin and a terrible crash at the end of season eight, 113 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.759 and they rebounded in a great way and Oliver a 114 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.560 great season and then you knowing that, hey, they know 115 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:34.720 it's going to be the end because I think, you know, 116 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:38.079 we can all agree here Smallville, especially in those middle years, 117 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.720 it was like two steps forward like five steps back. 118 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:41.879 It's like, oh, we got new Yeah. 119 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.680 Yeah, it's like, oh, you know, we're killing Jonathan Ken 120 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.160 because we're gonna be done at the end of the 121 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.120 season up and picked up again, or we're gonna kill 122 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.480 Lion all up, we got three more years. What Yeah, 123 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:54.279 that's sort of thing. 124 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.600 But this time they knew they like had an endpoint. 125 00:06:57.879 --> 00:06:59.360 They like, like you said, they were trying to get 126 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:00.480 all their ducks in a row, which is a lot 127 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.040 of what this episode does. Move some pieces around, references 128 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:06.079 some characters that we haven't seen a while, or come 129 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:07.439 back in a big way. It's gonna be a lot 130 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.560 of fun. But I'll say this, I felt like meant 131 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.560 Salvation the season nine finale might be my favorite episode 132 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:14.000 of the show. 133 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:15.639 Which, oh, it's fantastic. 134 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.240 I mean, didn't it could have been a series finale 135 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:19.839 with some tweaks, right, Craig. 136 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.720 Yes, well, I mean Greg Beeman came back for it. 137 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.160 I think it was his first episode after season five 138 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.879 he was director for. He also thoroughly spoiled it on 139 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.759 his blog, like the day before I think getting confused 140 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.680 as to which day of the show aired just kind 141 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:42.240 of funny, kind of But I think the only thing 142 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:45.839 that were one of the things that really did not 143 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.639 work with season ten, unfortunately, is that they didn't know 144 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:51.120 for sure if they had Michael or not. 145 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.560 That's a huge, huge. 146 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.120 So like, I feel like they were trying to tell 147 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.079 one story where maybe and I know, we're going to 148 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:00.920 get into the Alexander of it all. Yeah, but I 149 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.279 feel like they were The story they were telling was 150 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:06.000 that Alexander was going to grow up to be the 151 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:11.920 likes we know and love. But then then it seemed like, 152 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.040 I guess they thought they weren't getting Michael, so then 153 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.240 they did Connor Kent spoiler everybody if you haven't seen 154 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:18.319 this episode. 155 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.480 And which it went pretty They really looked into that Craig. 156 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.079 They were like, well, in the comics, he's have Clark 157 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:26.000 k flex, let's just do this, And I thought, you 158 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.000 know what, that's a great trapdoor for that character to 159 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:29.319 explain away. 160 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:31.360 And that was Sion's one of my favorite episodes of 161 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:35.679 the final season two, So but still it's like if 162 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.360 they had known whether or not they and Michael. I mean, 163 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:40.320 like even with this episode, which I'm sure we're going 164 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.799 to get into, and maybe I shouldn't jump ahead of 165 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:47.000 myself too much, but I feel like there are some 166 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.799 things that were clearly written thinking, oh, Michael's coming back, right. 167 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:57.159 Yeah, no, nope, not yet. So going into this season 168 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.320 that I remember I didn't go Did you go to 169 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:01.360 Santagokoma for the season ten panel? 170 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:01.960 Oh? 171 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.679 Yeah, okay, were you there when they should? Obviously? What 172 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:07.840 you were there? You were there. They showed that incredible trailer. 173 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:08.960 And Lionel was in it. 174 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.240 I remember that brainiac right, all this stuff, right, I 175 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:15.320 just I mean I saw it as as we all 176 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:16.879 who didn't get to go there in a tent and 177 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:18.519 be in that room because this is before they like 178 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:21.720 put everything on the internet because's twenty ten, right, right, 179 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:27.080 some like sideways low quality cell phone of this amazing 180 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:30.000 trailer and it's like everything goes through all ten seasons, 181 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.600 little little snippets, I end the villain of the story. 182 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.720 Everybody cheers, right, all that stuff, right, and it was 183 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:37.440 it was amazing, and I was like, oh, I can't 184 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.000 wait to like get the DVD and this will be 185 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:44.000 on there. It's it's not on there. Just watch that 186 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.679 low quality cell phone footage crag. 187 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.440 But now like every Comic Con trailer ends up online. 188 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.799 It feels like, right like Aero season two and run Out, 189 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:54.200 et cetera. 190 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.919 Right, yeah, I mean, with a few exceptions, like there 191 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:02.279 was at Comic Con. Maybe it was before Endgame, Marvel 192 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.960 did a little like recap of all the Marvel movies 193 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:10.799 so far, as narrated by Louise from Hall, and it 194 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.600 was so good. They didn't have any incredible Hult clips 195 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.120 because they didn't have the right so he's just like, oh, 196 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:19.320 we're gonna skip that one, you know, but it was amazing. 197 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:21.080 And of course that has also not. 198 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.120 That seemed like such a slam dunk from to put 199 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.440 on a streaming service. But right know, that's that's that's 200 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:28.200 the era of the comic books. We wererad back then 201 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:30.519 when stuff was not just like you said, immediately put online. 202 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:32.960 That was such an amazing trailer then and now the 203 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.360 final season of Smallville. 204 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:36.960 Also like I mean, I'd have to go to the 205 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.879 crypton side archives to see, but I feel like there 206 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:42.279 were times we didn't even get like a season trailer 207 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:48.200 until like two weeks before the season became, which is 208 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:53.120 kind of it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, it's like I guess 209 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.480 they waited until they had a good amount of footage. 210 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:56.120 But yeah, fair enough. 211 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:00.440 I because, yeah, I remember one season specific where that 212 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.279 was like the number one question that everyone's asking us, 213 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:05.000 like when we're getting a trailer, and it's like, no, yeah, 214 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:07.919 you know. So anyway, there you go. 215 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:10.039 We we were here, we're at the this is the 216 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:13.320 last season premiere. We're gonna cover on this podcast. Wow, 217 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:14.919 all right, it's getting real, Craig. 218 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.080 What about are you gonna do the season eleven comic? 219 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:19.559 Well? Yeah, does that count? 220 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.559 I mean it's Guardian. You should get Brian ky Miller 221 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:23.000 on here. 222 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.039 Oh, we're gonna we're gonna cover the comic books. We're 223 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:26.840 gonna cover the books. I've been reading the Small bl 224 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:28.720 One novel die. You ever read these Small Lill novels. 225 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:32.200 Craig At the time, I don't remember them, but yeah, 226 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.320 I kind of like, uh, there's one series that was 227 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.240 a little more young adult, and then there was another 228 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:38.879 series that was a little more serious. 229 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:39.279 Yeah. 230 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:40.919 I think rock Stern even wrote one of them. 231 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.039 Roger Stern wrote the first one. Alan Grant wrote the 232 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.120 second one. There they got some comic writers in there, 233 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.240 but yeah, they had they had a young adults which 234 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:48.840 is funny because like this is small Ville, it's all 235 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.360 sort of young adults, right, But it's like they had 236 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.919 a regular novel than a young adult novel. So although 237 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.639 those are set around season one and two, we are 238 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.559 going to cover those and so that's awesome. It's it's 239 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.360 gonna be fun to revisit some of the stuff because 240 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.639 I had I had never read any of those. I 241 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.039 just never did. I I just didn't. I just you know, 242 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.200 I was living life and and stuff, and I'd read 243 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.080 plenty of Star Trek novels and Star Wars novels in 244 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:12.639 my day, but never as small oll novels. 245 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.600 I do remember that the retelling of the pilot was 246 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:15.960 called a. 247 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.600 Rival, Yeah, which is funny to get to see some Yeah. 248 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.240 Yeah wow. I haven't pulled those books out in years, 249 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:27.399 but I don't remember them being bad though, which is 250 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.159 a good thing. But I do wonder how much of it, 251 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:32.279 like was retconned away by other Canoe. It's kind of 252 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:35.759 like you mentioned, like Star Trek novels, they might mention 253 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.279 something in a novel that is completely. 254 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.279 Completely ignored, and yeah, I know that's something I want 255 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:42.840 to keep track of. As I read these, I'm like, Okay, 256 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.240 this is not accurate anymore and stuff like that. So 257 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:47.879 that's that. That's it's a whole different approach covering novels 258 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:49.639 in this But well that's. 259 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:53.519 Why I like when when I did my visual guide, Yeah, 260 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:58.519 like I remember I named Pete's siblings. Oh, and that's 261 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.600 listed as Cannon on the small A wiki Cannon Man. 262 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:06.559 So until somebody on the show says otherwise, Like, that's 263 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:11.559 that's my rule about continuity, and unless it's said, it's 264 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.600 not true, it might have happened. 265 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.120 So when we get Small though the animated series, and 266 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.320 all of Pete's brothers have different names. 267 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.720 Greg, Yeah, then I'm Rick Conda. But you know, if 268 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.600 you know, like, didn't the person named Hua's first name 269 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:27.240 was in the novel? 270 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:30.200 Yeah, Nyoto Hua, that's from a novel. Yeah, I don't 271 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.320 know what novel. Well, but it's in a Star Trek novel. 272 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.919 And didn't they do a novel that I'm sorry, I'm 273 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:36.360 going on a tangent and you can cut this out 274 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:38.080 if you need to, but didn't they do a novel 275 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:39.320 that connected Tralain and. 276 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:44.759 Q Yes Q Square by Peter David, famous comic writer 277 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:46.639 but also a famous Star Trek writer as well. 278 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:48.840 So I would have loved to see Peter David write 279 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:49.759 a small story. 280 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:51.320 Yeah, they've been great, I mean small. 281 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:54.559 In the super Bowl series in the comics for the year. 282 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:56.639 He would have been season seven called Peter David. Yeah, 283 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:57.919 I mean that's the thing, right. We got Brian Q 284 00:13:58.039 --> 00:13:59.919 Miller on the show this point in season ten ERA, 285 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.000 but other than Jeff John's with his annual episode eight 286 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:04.840 nine in Sana, then you have Jeff Low for a 287 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:05.559 few seasons. 288 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:07.159 Yeah. 289 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:10.039 There was occasionally some some you know, small cross over 290 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:13.039 with small villain comic writers, but not not really that 291 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:13.840 wasn't know. 292 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.120 I mean it's interesting because I know Anthony for Digging 293 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:21.240 Digging for Kryptonite is doing the Super Boys series now 294 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:23.840 and a lot of those episodes were written by people 295 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.279 who wrote for the comics, which is kind of impressive. 296 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.720 Yeah, Alan milesing to write a comic. 297 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.600 Alan Miles are busy. Do we really believe Alan Miles 298 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.480 is going to be involved in an animated show? 299 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.279 I that's the thing, right, I don't think they'll do 300 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:44.080 it without them. So there's your answer, right, I don't. 301 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.120 Think they contractually they're allowed, Yeah, because of they just 302 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:49.399 signed a big deal with Sony. 303 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:56.000 But they are doing this. I mean, isn't uhday is Wednesday? 304 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.080 Want to brother Wednesday? Sony? 305 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.000 Oh see, I get my cross My streams of beal 306 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:04.120 Juice and yeah Wednesday are kind of the same thing. 307 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.519 I mean, you really need Allen Miles. I would recommend 308 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:14.080 getting people like Brian Q. Miller, Hally Henderson, and Don 309 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:17.559 White had they wrote the crisis chapter that. I know 310 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.879 it was controversial, but you can't deny that they didn't 311 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:22.919 get the voices of Clark and Lewis perfect. 312 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.840 Maybe except for Smallville. You made a funny that's my only. 313 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.759 Oh come on, that was I felt like I was 314 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:32.679 watching an episode of small Ville in the year two 315 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:33.320 thousand and nine. 316 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.559 Yep, fantastic. No, then they had the music and everything. 317 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.559 Oh really? So yeah, I mean we're we'll, we'll cover 318 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:42.480 all those things and and do time. But but today 319 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:45.639 always holding on They're always holding off to Smallville, but 320 00:15:45.759 --> 00:16:19.240 today we're holding on to Lazarus's. 321 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:17.399 Cap. You would go to do with the Sometimes it's 322 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:29.480 hard to share this one fast but just sacrifices or 323 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:56.360 my love the fayvers. That's something very dark. 324 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.320 It's gonna have you got test. 325 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:01.600 You could give. 326 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:21.240 Lazarus is the first episode of Smallville's tenth season. It 327 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:25.440 aired on September twenty fourth, twenty ten, was written by 328 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:29.119 Don Whitehead and Holly Henderson and directed by Kevin G. 329 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:33.480 Fair So Craig, Well, game, we're playing here in the 330 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:36.720 last three seasons of Smallville, the ratings watch, I want 331 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:39.480 you to guess what this episode got on a Friday 332 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.759 night in twenty ten. For a little context, give it 333 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:46.559 little help. Right the season nine finale back in May 334 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:51.119 twenty ten, two point four five million viewers. 335 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:52.680 So, okay, with. 336 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.079 That information, what do you think Lazar has got in 337 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:56.240 September twenty ten. 338 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.200 Well, I know by twenty ten they at least had 339 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:00.759 a lead out, which I don't think they had in 340 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.000 season nine. I think Supernatural moved to Fridays by this point. 341 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:06.559 So say like two point nine million. 342 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.640 You say two point nine, You're very close, two point 343 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:13.559 nine to eight, extremely close, well done, round off to 344 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:17.480 the tenth. You got it? Uh So that's gone, right? Yes, 345 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:20.799 what let's see what Sea is this season? Let's see 346 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.240 if this is season ten of Smallville, a's season five 347 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:28.160 of Supernatural. Yes, okay, so they moved Supernatural to the 348 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:32.839 Friday night death slot and it lasted ten more years. 349 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.160 Well, how long did don Ostrov try to kill Smallville? 350 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.759 And yet like the repeats for Smallville were getting bigger 351 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.359 ratings than Gossip Girl. Yeah, you know, it's like it 352 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.240 was a good show, Dan, it was. 353 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.920 It was a good show. But you know, we we 354 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.200 leave you know, small those season finales and premieres. There's 355 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.519 two ways to do it, right, It's like cliffhanger, immediately 356 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:57.519 pick up after where we left off or three months later. 357 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.400 Those are kind of your two choices, right, which is media? 358 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.960 This is the media? You know what's funny to me? Greg, 359 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.200 and I discovered this, you know, doing the podcast and 360 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:07.720 doing all like the math that I do, and one 361 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.640 day I'm like gonna lay out some ultimate, small, little timeline. 362 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:15.119 But if you do the math in uh In Savior 363 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.359 the season nine premiere, they they say Lois was gone 364 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:23.319 for three weeks. But you see a newspaper that says 365 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.039 September something, and I'm like, are you telling me Doomsday 366 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:30.960 happen in September? You know, Henry James Olsen died in September. 367 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.839 Like they didn't do the math. It's it's like they 368 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.880 should have had it set in May or June, but 369 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:40.400 they're like, no, it's it's September. Like, I don't know why. 370 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:43.119 I guess they figured she couldn't be gone for three months, right, 371 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.480 lost in the future or whatever, But it's just it's 372 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.279 a funny thing they didn't think about. They're like, oh, 373 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:50.960 whatever the air date was for Savior, that was the 374 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.920 date on the newspaper. You know, it's like September something, 375 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:55.720 two thousand and nine, Like, Lois, you've been gone for 376 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:59.000 three weeks. And then nobody ever, nobody figures that out all, 377 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:00.480 you know. I don't think we ever see Henry James 378 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:01.559 Olson's gravestone. 379 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:04.200 But I'm just like trying to do the math in 380 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.839 my head. I feel like there are a couple of 381 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:09.720 seasons also where the time jump doesn't happen until like 382 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:11.960 after like episode three or something. 383 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.079 Maybe well, you know, in season one, it's like, obviously 384 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.880 Vortex is immediate athlete tempest, and then heat is like 385 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:19.640 the school year, so we skip over the summer there. 386 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:21.759 But I think maybe maybe in season five We're like, 387 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:24.039 because they don't immediately go to college, It's like, I 388 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:25.720 don't know how much time's passing, But. 389 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.920 Well, see season five. I feel like, you know, they graduated. 390 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.759 At the end of season four, they're going to beachin Aqua. Yeah, 391 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:35.920 so that's when school was. It was like that was 392 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:40.200 probably like August, yeah, September, because Clark was starting college. 393 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.839 But yeah, I can see where it would get a 394 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:43.599 little confusing. 395 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:45.680 I would just it's not going to add up. But 396 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:47.599 that's kind of fun to me, Like, I'm gonna try 397 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:50.440 to map the events of this show. 398 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.200 How doctor who fans feel timey? 399 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:57.400 Whymy wibbley wobbly exactly. So this episode starts out with 400 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.640 a previously owned Smallville and it's Allison Macks his voice, 401 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.480 and they do a really good job of recapping, not 402 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:05.000 not I mean they do a lot of recap for 403 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.079 big moments of the previous season. They don't focus on 404 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:10.000 Zod too much. I guess. I guess they would have 405 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.279 had to pay Callum Blue if they saw his face 406 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.720 more than a second or whatever. So we don't they 407 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.000 say Zod. We see clips of things, but they kind 408 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:19.759 of focus on tests. They kind of focus on Clark 409 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:21.920 being a hero. They focus on stuff like they focus 410 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:24.400 on Jonathan's death. You know, they actually reference a scene 411 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:26.799 that Clark's talking to Zod about how his father died, 412 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:28.640 so that kind of sets us up. They reference doctor 413 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:31.799 fab but then then they start referencing like lookx Luthor's 414 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:33.960 an ultimate opponent. And we see like the car crash 415 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:35.920 from the pilot, but we don't see Lex at all, 416 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.799 and that's gonna be a theme as we go. We 417 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:39.640 see darth Lex blow up Craig. 418 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:44.920 Very important, right, I forgot about darth Lex. 419 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.759 What's even crazy about that we see? And again I'm 420 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.160 studying this, you know, very in depth for this podcast. 421 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.000 That's why I'm coming on this thing. Right, So, like 422 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:56.720 we see a shot of the the Super Soldier room 423 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.720 from season six and then we see darth Lex blow 424 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:01.319 up them and trying to like imply those are the 425 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:03.119 same thing. Those are not the same thing. That's not 426 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:03.720 the same thing. 427 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:06.480 But they're kind of setting up the cloning. 428 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:08.680 They are, so they're doing what they can with like 429 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:10.680 the footage that they have, but they set up Oliver 430 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.599 and Chloe, which which I've really kind of soured on Craig. 431 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:15.680 I was like when it happened. I was happy for Chloe, like, oh, 432 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:17.799 at least you got Green Arrow because you didn't get Superman. 433 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:20.920 And I'm like, I ship Oliver with Lois and Test 434 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:22.359 more than than Chloe. 435 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.000 I don't know how you feel. Yeah, I was not 436 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.039 a fan of Schlolly that those fans hated me too, 437 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:34.599 so they were the original listening it's literally literally black Canary. 438 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.720 I mean, I understand on Arrow why it didn't happen, 439 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:39.920 because I don't think Steven and Katie Cassidy had much 440 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.640 chemistry at all. But like I felt like Schlolly was 441 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.680 just one of those things, Like I had a conversation 442 00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:49.759 with somebody earlier today actually about how that wasn't necessarily 443 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:53.680 fan pandering, but it felt like it at the time. Yeah, 444 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:56.839 And I felt like the two those two characters didn't 445 00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:59.799 even like each other for a while, like let them 446 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.400 alone and have that chemistry. And also like I feel 447 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.319 like it's a little bit sexist, like, oh, look, Chloe 448 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.880 couldn't have Clark, so here's her consolation prize. 449 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:10.920 Yeah, but I guess at the time, I was like 450 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:13.759 happy because they teach that she was gonna kill her 451 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:15.519 or whatever. Like every season I was like, oh good, 452 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:17.319 she's gonna have a happy ending, so that that at 453 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.359 least made me feel better at the time. But watching 454 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:23.000 it again now, I'm like, we've never heard of her. 455 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:24.680 We have no record of Chloe sol What does that 456 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:28.000 mean anyway? They try to explain it this season future, 457 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.519 but we see you know, we do see in here, 458 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:36.039 which is interesting, maybe because he was a guest star. 459 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:37.759 We see Michael McKean. He's like, what do you say 460 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:39.559 a kid to go to Africa right to Lois and 461 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:42.039 I assume that's like, maybe that's a guest star things. 462 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:43.759 He had a guest star contract as opposed to Callum 463 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.400 blueho had a main actor contract. Same thing. Not not 464 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:49.599 a hint of Michael Rosemam in this, which we'll discuss, 465 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:51.119 which I think is very intentional. They don't want to 466 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.440 remind you what Lex actually looks like. But know that 467 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.519 they set up in a Lois finding out that Clark 468 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:56.960 was a blur and as they as they do, they 469 00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:59.200 do this great montage of like make small of it 470 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.400 look like the greatest TV show of all time, hype you. 471 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:02.680 Up, which is accurate. 472 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.039 Yeah, I mean that's why we're here, right, so exactly 473 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:07.920 show they show you a clip of Clark on like 474 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.400 the scarecrow from the pilot, You're like, why is that? Well, 475 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:14.279 we're all gonna find out, We're not gonna right, we're 476 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:16.720 not gonna see that. We see him burning down the 477 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:25.079 towers in uh in uh the Valentine's episode. But that's 478 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:27.079 the reason they do that is because you know, they 479 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.799 referenced it in this episode when he's talking to go 480 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:30.519 stat at the end. We'll get there. And then you know, 481 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:33.119 one of the if this episode had a weak part 482 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.400 and it's just surminded me, why rewatching this us on? 483 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:40.440 It's the they're not Candorian and you show all these 484 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:43.519 like flying red dots. Clearly that was like gonna be 485 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.440 paradeemons or something, but somebody said, you know what, we 486 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.559 don't have the budget for that, so they became like 487 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.960 the suicide squad, you know what I mean. So they 488 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.039 highlight that moment in this previous a mount and just 489 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:57.720 reminded me. But it's a great montage and we see Clark, 490 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:00.920 you know, falling out off the building a family, and 491 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.519 then we see Tom Wellings say and now the final 492 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:05.160 season of Small Vel, so it really had a lot 493 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.160 of a lot of weight to it. You know. So 494 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:11.039 the episode starts out Lois is running in the rain. 495 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.640 She sees Clark, you know, the blur on the concrete. 496 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:17.200 No one else is around, by the way, I guess, 497 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.240 I don't know. I guess because the sun comes up 498 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:20.720 over the course of this. I guess it's like, you 499 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:22.240 know what, six in the morning, and so it makes 500 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.200 in somebody's there. Otherwise you have a lot of civilians 501 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:25.559 been like, hey, it's the blur. 502 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:29.759 You know. Well, maybe the civilians don't go to the 503 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:31.400 one street in the small of the back cloth. 504 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:35.400 Maybe not. Apparently not, I liken later on, like Lexus like, hey, 505 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:37.759 rush hour traffic and it's like twelve people there, but 506 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:39.359 it's fine. They're on a budgeted season. Cha to give 507 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.039 him a break. But Lois finds, you know, Clark, he's 508 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:45.160 unconscious because he's I mean, hey for having no powers 509 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.599 in the Blue Crib night in him. Uh he survived 510 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.680 falling off a hundred story building, pretty good. Huh. 511 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:55.720 Well, I also feel like when she threw the dagger, yeah, 512 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.200 started to come back and heal, and I mean even. 513 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:00.400 If he was truly a human and he would be 514 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.640 like a bloody, bloody mess Lionel like Lionel falling off 515 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:05.720 the top of leather garp. 516 00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:09.079 You know, yeah, but maybe like internally it all just 517 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:12.440 started to heal itself, like he had internal bleeding or whatever. 518 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:15.400 We can fan justify it all day long. I just exactly, 519 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.720 I you know what I thought. You know, what was 520 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:21.279 so fun about the season nine from Alleys. There's so 521 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.319 many possibilities what could happen? Like I thought like, oh, 522 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.720 is he gonna like pull the dag around and fly 523 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:27.640 off or something'd be so cool, right, I thought that 524 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:29.279 might be a thing, But no, he's He's there on 525 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.880 the ground. Lois is cradling him. He's unconscious of course, 526 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:35.720 and then we get this you know, transition into like 527 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:38.920 the afterlife. He's in this, he's in this this limbo 528 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:40.839 state here? Kaik, what did you think of all this. 529 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.920 That? I mean, it kind of makes sense because if 530 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:49.400 you have a near death experience, you know, you are 531 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:53.119 likely to imagine something. Where it got weird for me 532 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.240 is like later I still don't really understand the ghost 533 00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:59.880 dad of it all. But uh here, I mean it 534 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.799 it's just like he was in that middle place. Yeah, 535 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:08.519 and once he was back, he was back, but it 536 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.200 wasn't Lazarus, the story of somebody who came back from 537 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:11.519 the dead. 538 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.839 Yeah, Lazarus is from the Bible of Jesus resurrects a 539 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.960 person called Lazarus. They never say Lazarus in this they 540 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.440 should they should have called it Cadmus Project Lazarus. But anyway, 541 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.440 Cadinets is from the comics. I'm really glad they it's 542 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.319 sole Season one. Is what a great call back. So 543 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:31.880 Victoria's yeah, Victoria scuff and ed her dad, right, Adam's laughs. 544 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:35.039 Thom has some great superman here in this limbo sequence. 545 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:36.880 By the way, he's got this nice little little curl. 546 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.720 He's looking great, but he's wandering around these these cornfields, right, 547 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.440 and it's like, okay, that's what what he would understand, 548 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.920 right or here his brain processing this. I totally bow that. 549 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:47.960 Interesting stuff like we see like the we see the 550 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.960 the well the cross from from the violet of this right, 551 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:53.839 we see crows on it, and I think they're trying 552 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.759 to They're like hinting dark side, right, because crows is 553 00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.079 dark side apparently. 554 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.240 The dark side bust of the smoveled crows also truebody. 555 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.599 The other thing I really love about that, though, is 556 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:09.839 a cornfield was one of the first things we ever 557 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.680 saw on the show in the pilot, so it's kind 558 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.160 of like a callback. It's like, okay, and obviously some 559 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:16.920 of the other stuff is a callback as well, but 560 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.119 it's like, this is where the show started, this is 561 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:23.720 how our final journey will begin. Yeah, And I thought 562 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.000 that was really strong and great, and it's like, I 563 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:28.920 feel like there was a lot of reflection in the 564 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:33.160 story in general and reflecting on where it started where 565 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:38.160 it's gone. And I mean, I love Salvation also, so 566 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.799 I mean that would have been a good point too. 567 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:45.559 But with the previously on for Lazarus, I think you 568 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.960 could sell this episode to somebody who hadn't seen the 569 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:48.880 show in a long time. 570 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.920 Yeah, because there's a lot of recognizable things that they 571 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.799 can they can connect to, right, Yeah. 572 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:57.440 But also just the notion that it's very clear from 573 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.319 the jump of some of the things have changed, Like 574 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.720 Lois isn't like rasing Clark in the same way anymore. 575 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.759 It's like they clearly have feelings for each other. And yeah, 576 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.359 I think it's very clear that Lois has figured out 577 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:14.799 what's up, and I think that's really cool. I mean, 578 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.119 I would highly recommend this episode to somebody who's like, oh, 579 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:19.839 I give up around season five. 580 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:23.720 Well it's good because a lot of people when you 581 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:25.480 hear a show's gonna end, I'm this way and you 582 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.119 haven't watched it, why, like, well, let me jump on. 583 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.599 At least watched the last season, right, And so they 584 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:31.400 were whised to do all the things you're saying in 585 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.960 those connecting points. But no, you're right, it's recognizable iconography. Right. 586 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.920 Then he starts talking to Darrell. He's like, you're teetering 587 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.440 on the abyss between life and death. So that's how 588 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.559 they kind of get around it. This this gravestone appears, 589 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.599 it looks like Jonathan's. Clark thinks that Jonathan's. Then he 590 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.119 like pushes the corn away and it's his grave. 591 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:48.559 Right. 592 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.240 He rejects that this is like, he rejects this is 593 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.200 his destiny because he's seen his fate. And he breaks 594 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.160 the stone with his hand, which is a cool effect. 595 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.720 I think, well, yeah, because I mean that actually goes 596 00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.000 back to like our glass where he saw everybody's stone 597 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:05.119 for his own. Yeah, so you know, just yeah, I 598 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.000 feel like they really did their homework. And that's another 599 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.440 reason why, you know, I had mentioned earlier that I 600 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.119 really liked the work of Don Whyhead and Holly Henderson. 601 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:14.519 I thought they did a great job writing the premiere 602 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.200 and getting us to the right places and you can 603 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:19.480 go on. 604 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.319 Yeah, no, it's a lot of great a lot of 605 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:25.599 great callbacks, right. You know, it did make me think 606 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.039 of you know, Crisis, which I like the Chris Inferor 607 00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.000 sending for this Clark can't. I know you do as well? 608 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:32.759 Oh I did, yes, And it's this this little conversation 609 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.240 they'll kind of made me think of it because girl's like, hey, Clark, 610 00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.000 you sacrifice yourself and you left Earth undefended, and he's like, 611 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:40.720 I left like a team of heroes. Grel's like, nope, 612 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.519 supposed to be the hero. Yeah. 613 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.319 My thought about Crisis, and I know I've talked about 614 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.599 it probably with you before, is that there are other 615 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.960 people who are handling things, but the second things get 616 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.640 too bad where Clark has to save the day, he'll 617 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.160 just hop into that Kryptonian sauna from Superman two and boom, 618 00:30:59.200 --> 00:30:59.759 he's super. 619 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:01.519 Sickly there's always a way to give his powers back, 620 00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:05.319 so sending me back, you know, so he would do 621 00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:08.200 the same thing we're seeing here there. Yeah, He's like 622 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:09.640 I need to step into the light. And you know, 623 00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.920 this is interesting again you're talking about uh Don and 624 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.240 Holly writing this episode and tying things together, that they're 625 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.200 trying to tie all this stuff together that doesn't really fit, 626 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.880 and they're doing a really good job. Because Darrell's like, 627 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.279 I told you to rule them with strength, but you 628 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.519 chose the martyr's path. I'm like, wow, you're calling back 629 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.640 to like Rosetta with that, you know that that message 630 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.039 that doesn't even fit like anymore what Jorel is. So 631 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:31.839 they're doing they're doing a really good job of it. 632 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.400 And they this whole time, Clark thinks that Jirell is 633 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.480 the one who sent him back, but that's not the case. 634 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:40.240 So lois pulling off the daggers. Really we send him back? 635 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:46.359 No, Does it mean Jerel was kind of like a dream. 636 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.319 That's the thing, right, because he's see yeah, because it's 637 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.599 not computer dure, because he's like in the afterlife, right, 638 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.839 it's I don't know, it's all baby internal. But then 639 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:55.720 he sees, well, let's talk about this. He sees Lex 640 00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.720 or Lex's sun double. They do a good job hiding 641 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:04.440 the right Now here's here's let's just talk about this now, 642 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:10.920 Craig Okay, Michael Rosenbaum. I believe they thought he was 643 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.039 going to come back for this episode. Is that accurate? 644 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.960 Yes? I can't remember who it was mentioned to me 645 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.200 before that they assumed until a couple of weeks before 646 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.279 filming that he'd be back. But also there was a 647 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.640 very strong rumor online in that summertime that Michael was 648 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.039 coming back, and I remember Michael had emailed me around 649 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.119 that time and it was like, no, I'm not coming back, 650 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:36.839 and he wanted to do an interview talking about his 651 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.079 not coming back, which is probably like a pre Twitter 652 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:44.720 negotiation tactic or something back then, but I was like, 653 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.039 the Smallville publicist will kill me if I did this 654 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.880 without checking with them first. So then I finally was like, 655 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.039 how about this, Why don't we talk about one of 656 00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.200 your new projects and just put this in as a PS. Yeah, 657 00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:59.839 But by the time we got to that point, he 658 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:02.400 had just kind of like lost interest and didn't care anymore. 659 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:06.039 So so that's so unfortunate because you can that totally 660 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.440 makes sense, right because you watch this episode and you think, oh, 661 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.839 this was conceived start to finish with you have Lex 662 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.400 back maybe and again like he's at least in this 663 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.559 episode and then who knows in between, and then he 664 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:21.599 comes back again at the end like the last couple 665 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:23.319 of episodes. You're like, you know what that would have been? 666 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:25.200 That would have been great, right, because you get. 667 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:26.720 That little taste wonderful. 668 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.920 Yeah, because because we we'd start here, we see a 669 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.960 guy in the president you know, it's fine, it's the 670 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.359 imagery that we know. It's in the white president suit. Yeah, 671 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.200 going through the going through that and I don't even 672 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.160 know what that means, right, because like is he like 673 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.720 I don't know, because I don't know if like he 674 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:41.680 got resurrected at the same time, I don't know. I 675 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:42.960 don't care. But it's it's cool. 676 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.319 I really hope that Talkville gets to this point. Oh please, 677 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:49.519 because I want to hear Michael talking about the other 678 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:50.279 Lex luthors. 679 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.119 I needed. I need to hear his thoughts on Darth 680 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:52.799 Lex and all that. 681 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.440 Right, Well, Darth Lex. Uh that was right? 682 00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:56.920 Yeah? 683 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.640 Yeah. The rumor that got as far as like Asiello 684 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.119 at tv Line was that Michael was going to record 685 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.840 a voiceover for that episode. Yeah, voice and that didn't 686 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.960 happen either. I never found out why that didn't. 687 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:16.480 Happen voice actor for DC Comics, Michael Ross involves so perfect. 688 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.559 It's so perfect, right, Yeah, I think you know when 689 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.119 we watch we watched record for the for the podcast here, 690 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.840 it's it did irrecovable damage to the story with like 691 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:29.480 Lana and Lex in my opinion, But it was actually 692 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.400 a pretty entertaining episode if you look at it on 693 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:36.199 its own. I thought for a while, yeah, so it 694 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.960 had ramifications, but I think it's like Season ten is 695 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.679 a lot like that, Like they did the best they 696 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.119 could with like being kind of you know, left in 697 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.119 the wind by Michael here because like they use they 698 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.559 use this Lex stunt double here in the field, there 699 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.679 is the clone Lex. Later it's like this is so like, yeah, 700 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.519 you're supposed to see Lex, but they you have. 701 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.639 To acknowledge that. I mean, I know Michael had really 702 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:01.039 bad back pain at the time, which we no, yeah, 703 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.360 you know, we the public did not. I didn't know. 704 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.320 Like I remember when he said he was leaving at 705 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.760 the end of season seven. I thought he was bluffing actually, 706 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:11.960 and I guess he's not going to leave the show, 707 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.119 and then he did. But no, he had like a 708 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:18.400 major back surgery on season six or seven, and I 709 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.320 think it was painful for him to do it. It 710 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.800 might have been painful to fly to Vancouver for all me. Now, yeah, 711 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.719 so I mean that's a factor that we just aren't 712 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:30.159 privy too. But I'm so glad he came back eventually. 713 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.280 Spoilers for everybody. 714 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.280 But no, it would have like these conversations are kind 715 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.280 of interesting what if scenarios and stuff now, like, oh, 716 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.760 there's so many, but it would have been a lot more. 717 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.960 These conversations would be a lot more frustrating if he 718 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.760 never came back, like that was essential. So thank god 719 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.280 he did. So we give it, We give him credit 720 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:46.800 for coming back. 721 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.159 There, let's put a pin in that because there's another 722 00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:50.880 what if scenario I want to talk as we get 723 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:51.559 further into. 724 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.440 The excellent let's do it. But you know what, Michael's 725 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.440 not the only one who comes back. Lex and Clark 726 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.039 both come back from the dead here, and because Lois 727 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.559 pulls out then the blue Krypton Knight knife and throws it, you. 728 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:03.400 Know, and Tests sort of comes back. 729 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.440 That's true. She's everybody's Lazarus, right. I mean they already 730 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.440 used the title resurrection back in season three. Craigs, It's like, well, 731 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:11.280 we'll go with we'll go with. 732 00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:13.199 Last, and it's like they blew the title crisis in 733 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:13.760 that same art. 734 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:19.559 Yeah, they're like, oh right, but that's you're again. You're 735 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.960 you're tying Clark and Les together, which is like what 736 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.400 the show always did. But they both like get resurrected here, 737 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.559 at least visually. So it's great. And we see, you know, 738 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.320 we see the sun's coming up and Clark's getting his 739 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.000 powers restored, and Lois sees that, so she like kind 740 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.800 of scurries away because she doesn't want Clark to know 741 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.320 that she knows, which is a fun conceit. I'm glad 742 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.639 they played with that for a few episodes. 743 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.320 Right, and you know, and we get rewarded when it's 744 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:46.760 finally resolved. But like, I feel like Kevin Fair did 745 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.760 a great job directing this episode. There are just so 746 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.960 many like really iconic shots. I mean, obviously being a 747 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.360 season premiere, they had a little bit more money. I'm sure, 748 00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.719 like the shot of Clark, you know, in the sun, Yeah, 749 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.559 with wound healing, I thought that was just so cool. 750 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.119 It's epic, It looks epic. They're on this same back 751 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.239 lot that they have to shoot on, but they get 752 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:12.400 like you was directed in an epic way. Yeah, and 753 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.920 yeah him he can't fly into the sun yet and 754 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.480 soak it up. So this is the small version of 755 00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:19.000 him like soaking it all up. And it was a 756 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:24.719 great show. He feels like he does. Yeah, he does, right, 757 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.000 but but then you know, Lois sees him super speed off. 758 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.800 And then we get to the opening credits, and let's 759 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.440 talk about these these opening credits. So we get a 760 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.000 lot of the same shots that we get like the 761 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.079 second meteor shower, all that good stuff. Now they change 762 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.719 some stuff in the opening credits, like like Tom Weillings 763 00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.000 shot of Clark during his credit it's from the pilot 764 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.800 of the show, which was an interesting choice. I thought, 765 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:48.960 I'm like this ten year old shot, like. 766 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:50.159 Which shot was. 767 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.280 It's it's just a close up of him with the 768 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.159 chryst nine necklace on and he's hanging on the cross and. 769 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.320 Oh okay, because for some reason I was thinking that 770 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.280 is the background of his shot was still in the 771 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:00.840 phone booth. 772 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.960 That would have been great because I feel like. 773 00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.360 They kept that eye candy in for like most of 774 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:07.159 the seasons. 775 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.960 Well, so I understand that they're calling back the season 776 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:11.559 one here, Like you said, they're bringing in a full circle. 777 00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.119 But like they use Craig. I've complained about this shot 778 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:15.880 on this podcast for years. They used the shot from 779 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.079 Shimmer where the c GI mace it's his face and 780 00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:21.960 I've never liked that. I'm like, guys, you have you 781 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.599 have nine seasons of shots that choose. I have no 782 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.440 idea why they brought that back, right, mm hmm. But 783 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.159 we see stuff we haven't seen yet, like you're talking about. 784 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.719 We see a little bit of Lowest in Africa. We 785 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.760 see we see we see Lois and glasses, which is funny. 786 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.000 We see we see Clark in glasses. All this false 787 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.679 advertising that Clark said me wearing glasses, right, we see 788 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.119 we see tests a little bit in the in the 789 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.960 Cadmus labs. There they change, uh, they changed Justin Hartley's 790 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:48.840 green arrow shot to just I don't know what it 791 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.280 was wrong, but it was from something else than it 792 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:51.000 was before because I. 793 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.519 Had shot was from like arrow or something. 794 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:56.480 Well it was that. What was funny is I didn't 795 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.480 realize this so doing the last progress for Salvation is 796 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.440 that the clo of Justin Harley's green Arrow's it's from 797 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.559 Bride when he shoots the dummy legs and it falls 798 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.119 over and we see that reflection in his glasses. I've 799 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.760 been watching this show for years. I just didn't notice 800 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.239 that anything. Oh well that's gone. Now that's changed, and 801 00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:13.639 that's why I noticed it. But and we get a 802 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.079 little bit Alison mac in the opening credits. 803 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:18.960 One thing that the fandom was talking about so much 804 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:21.360 that summer was is Alison going to be in the 805 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:25.360 opening credits? Yes, had to reduce contract. So like watching 806 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:28.800 those opening titles and even mentioned on the DVD commentary, 807 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.760 how like the fans were just anxiously anticipating, well is 808 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.199 she here? Is she not? And I remember I was 809 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.599 on set for the show Fringe. I was on a 810 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.000 Vancouver press trip when the episode was screened for the crew, 811 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:44.920 and somebody sent me a text message to tell me, Yes, 812 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.599 Allison's in the credits. I you know, I know, I 813 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.519 probably couldn't have updated crypton site immediately, but I definitely 814 00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:53.960 tweeted it as soon as I knew, and I'm sure 815 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.519 there was much celebration at the time, you know, which 816 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:01.199 I mean, it's very interesting. You've got like those six 817 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:03.559 or seven episodes that do have Aliston in the credits, 818 00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:03.920 and then you know. 819 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.559 The Dallas and Mac right, yeah, yeah, and. 820 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.000 Then they took her out completely, which understandably she's not 821 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:11.000 in every. 822 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.079 Episode right right. And then and you're I think you're 823 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:14.800 the one that put this out to me years ago. 824 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.440 You're like, hey, watch season ten. There's four cast members 825 00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.159 in that opening credits. I'm like, wow, you're right. 826 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.400 Yeah, it just gets dwindling smaller and smaller. 827 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.079 Because most seasons had seven. So it's like literally almost 828 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:28.159 half the amount of people. 829 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:33.360 Yeah, I'm surprised that doctor Emil never made. 830 00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.760 It, right, he's in so many episodes or even I mean, 831 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.000 not that I want her there, but Cat Grant guy, 832 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:38.559 she's annoyed. 833 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.840 Oh no, I'm not no cat. Like if it's the 834 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.599 Cat Grant from the new My Adventures to Man cartoon, 835 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.119 I'll allow it because she's awesome, but not that cat. 836 00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.599 Grant, not this cat Grant. No, I'm with you. 837 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.199 I feel like the diminished cast thing actually started with 838 00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:02.159 seasons eight. They lost Michael and Kristen and John Glover. 839 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:04.639 Yeah you use three, yeah. 840 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.639 And then you only added two. You Sam were in, 841 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.760 Cassidy oh and Justin So I guess you did have 842 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.679 the same amount, right, It just felt like a lot 843 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.840 because I remember when season eight was announced, I think 844 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.199 the only people were who were confirmed to be coming 845 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:26.000 back to that time were like Tom Erica, Aaron Ashmore, 846 00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.559 and I feel like maybe Kristin Krook was in the 847 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.400 press release just because she was announced as doing the 848 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:33.880 five episodes. 849 00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.760 Because they knew, no matter what happened, that she wouldn't 850 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:36.039 come back. 851 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.320 Yeah, but nobody else was, like Allison wasn't signed yet. 852 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.559 So you know, we probably talked about this back when 853 00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.800 we did Arctic, you know, but like Kristin Krik, she 854 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.840 had to come back for season eight because episodes were made. 855 00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.599 She was just unavailable now, right, had had they had 856 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.920 the season ended with Veritas and they hadn't done more episodes, 857 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:57.519 no one would have had to come back, right, because 858 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.559 then the season would have been concluded. Because part of 859 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.079 me things like what if? Because the great what if 860 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.039 is like that the strike does not end, season seven ends, 861 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.320 and fifteen, does Michael have to come back for five 862 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:09.320 episodes or whatever? 863 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.800 Because the other weird thing to wonder is, I know 864 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.079 John Glover owed them episodes in season seven, but I 865 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.679 don't think they were used for his season ten appearances. 866 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:24.519 Oh oh that would have been Yeah, what's the what's 867 00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:25.480 the show life on those? 868 00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.920 Yeah? But I do think like they didn't have to 869 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.840 pay him extra to put his scenes in dissent because 870 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.920 because they are contracted for that number of episods. 871 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.599 Anyway, Yeah, interesting, interesting, anyway you get into the weeds 872 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:38.920 of the actors and stuff. 873 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.760 Because it is only in like seven episodes of season seven. 874 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:44.639 Yeah, well he was off like doing a plague and 875 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:45.920 got a shave and a haircut. 876 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.039 Yeah, yeah, it was. It was crazy. But yeah, so 877 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.079 the opening credits, that was such a big deal. 878 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.440 And yeah, and then you know, to to wrap up 879 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.199 talking about the human credits, we had a great montage 880 00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.519 of all these money shots, right, we get the shopping 881 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:01.559 commenced of him throwing the crystal, we get a shot 882 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:03.280 at him in the Fortress train, and we get the 883 00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.480 the Superman s even though it should be reversed and 884 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:06.960 looked like a bizarre in his eye. 885 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.719 Oh that bugged me so much. I mean, it was 886 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.920 a beautiful shot, but it's like you just turn it around, like. 887 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.119 Mom, thanks for the costume, but the s is backwards. 888 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.119 Mom, who do you think I am? Mom? Bizarre? 889 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:22.360 Yeah, But then but then we get again teasing stuff 890 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.760 to come. We get him, you know, holding the Daily 891 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:26.639 Planet globe up, but we see the end of this episode, 892 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:28.679 and then of course we end on the great shot 893 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.559 from the season nine premiere of him just like standing 894 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:33.559 over the city and in his Blur outfit. And did 895 00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:35.079 it Did it surprise you, Craig? 896 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.840 Yes, that even what I'm going to say, I just 897 00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.039 I'm just playing this like a game show. Yes, it 898 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.840 surprised me. The costume with the red. 899 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:49.639 Jacket, That's exactly what I was going to say, you 900 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:56.519 want you, I am a black trench coat season nine 901 00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.639 Blur outfit guy. I like that more than the red 902 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.360 jacket because I feel that the red jacket and a 903 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.079 blue shirt we've done that for years, and I felt 904 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.280 like that's kind of almost a step back, right. 905 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.559 I don't know, I disagree because he's Superman not Batman. 906 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.239 But true, no, these are all valid arguments, so you get. 907 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.880 But I guess it's interesting to me that here we are, 908 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:19.280 season ten, this opening credit is full of him in 909 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.360 the season nine costume. It's just strange. 910 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.800 Absolutely, But I think as far as the arc of 911 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.760 the show, I feel like, especially since the goal is 912 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.199 for him to get away from the darkness and go 913 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.400 towards the light. You know, he had a lighter costume. 914 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.679 Even the blue on his undershirt was a very light blue, 915 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:39.960 you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, I 916 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.920 feel like that was just like a step towards where 917 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:43.760 he was going to be. 918 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.280 Yeah, I just I guess I feel like, Okay, he 919 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.159 got the one transitional costume and the black trench coat, 920 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.960 and then like another transitional costume when he has this, 921 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.280 when he literally has the Superman costume sitting right there 922 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.000 in a box. I think that's where mainly my frustration 923 00:44:59.239 --> 00:44:59.599 I get. 924 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.800 Alo speaks to like the character development on the show, 925 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.440 there would have been a period of time where Lois 926 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.000 opened that box and just would have busted out laughing. 927 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.679 Hm hmm. Yeah, they come a long way. Huh. 928 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.320 Yeah, you know it's like Clark, what is this? 929 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:18.480 Yeah, you know, so we come back from the Benning 930 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.559 credits and we get Chloe. She's rushing through the you know, 931 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.960 the watchtower. She's looking for all of her you know, 932 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.320 this is okay, So this entire subplot is basically like 933 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.039 them writing Alison mac off the show for a while, Yes, 934 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:34.280 and and it you know, and it feels that way too. 935 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.840 Yeah, and that was actually the other what if that 936 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.519 I was thinking about. Okay, I feel like the whole 937 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.400 what they end up doing, and we'll get to that 938 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.239 is a bit convoluted. Oh, they just you know, swapped. 939 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:56.920 But also it's like, I don't know, like I feel 940 00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:00.920 like if Alison had stayed, it might have been more 941 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.760 interesting to see their character development there and more of that. 942 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.039 All of her Chloe relationship we love so much, Craig. 943 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:11.400 Oh, exactly, I'm trying to say, how to put this, 944 00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:19.159 Like it just would have been a very different vibe, 945 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:23.440 And I didn't feel that Chloe turning herself in was necessary, 946 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:28.039 I guess, especially if she's completely back by the end 947 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:32.199 of the season more or less, you know, Chloe Sullivan 948 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:36.400 still exists, like if like maybe it's like she's like 949 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.639 krypton site. No, but maybe she It might have been 950 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.000 better if just something like took her off the board 951 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:47.360 completely mm hmm, like she seemed to not exist anymore, 952 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:49.239 and then they found a way to bring her back 953 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:51.000 by the end of the season or something like that. 954 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.320 Fulfilling religions prophecy. 955 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:54.719 I talked to a group of people from the future 956 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.079 and they told me Chloe didn't exist. Yeah, the whole conversation. 957 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.719 Or like it might have been interesting if the doctor 958 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.519 fate helmet drove her crazy. 959 00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:04.920 Yeah, I mean, and then tying together what her fear 960 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.239 was years ago to kind of because we keep pulling 961 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.519 back to those threads that we said, so lots of possibilities, 962 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.079 but they kind of took the most boring one. You know, 963 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.440 they have so much. They're juggling here, right, so when 964 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.159 we're we're just commenting on potential the potential things that 965 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.199 we see here all these years later, but it's an 966 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.039 unimitable task. They're like, Okay, well Michael didn't come back, 967 00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.159 and Allison's leaving, and just figure it out. And they're 968 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:30.960 and they're figuring it out. They're doing a pretty entertaining 969 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.519 job doing it, right. So yeah, yeah, So to call 970 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:36.400 back what I mentioned earlier from that previously on right, 971 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.880 she watches the OLI her sunglasses feed apparently because she 972 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:41.639 found his sunglasses of wherever he was and that in 973 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:43.840 the air duct. Watches the feed and it's it's it's 974 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:48.760 Rick Flag. They're not Candorian Craig, they're the suicide squad 975 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.599 and it's Rick Flagg played by Ted Witzall who of 976 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.480 course goes on interestingly enough to play a different character 977 00:47:54.599 --> 00:48:02.000 in the movie Suicide Squad, and he had been in talking. Yeah, 978 00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.440 it's Rick Flagg and Amanda Waller and him are all 979 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:06.199 uh in the restaurant or something. 980 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:09.280 Yeah, my favorite moment in Man of Steel's and they're like, 981 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.239 I'd like you to meet doctor Emil Hamilton and Alessandro 982 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:13.880 Giuliani is in the very next scene. 983 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:16.079 There we go, small people littering the d C. 984 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.519 It's fun to see the lex clone. 985 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.559 Mackenzie. Yeah he's Jack. Yeah, in his he just kept 986 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:28.800 his head shaved after this episode. Yeah, he just Oh 987 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.400 my goodness. But I felt like to me, I said 988 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.079 it before, but I'm like, oh, oh, we chieved out, 989 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.840 didn't we, Like, like I really thought. I don't think 990 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:39.199 it's unfair to me to think those were pair of 991 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.480 demons considering me saw Granny Goodness right in the season 992 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.400 nine finale and they're setting up dark Side, like no, no, no, 993 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:48.159 that was just a bunch of Suicide Squad members and 994 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.159 and so he's like, we're all coming for you, and 995 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.400 this freaks Coy out. But then Clark shows up in 996 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.280 the wat shower and she's like, oh, Clark, Hey, what's happened? 997 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.280 He explains, Oh, yeah, well odd he's gone now and 998 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.320 Blue Krypton I and whatever. Don't worry about it, but back, 999 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.280 And she's like, what did you die? He's like a 1000 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.039 kind of one of your death experience, which I think 1001 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.159 is the best way to describe what you saw. Yeah, 1002 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.400 and he tells her, Hey, I saw Lex and Joelle 1003 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.360 warming about a great darkness. It must be Lex and 1004 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:13.559 he must be back. And Chloe's like, well, let me 1005 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.840 look up all this stuff. No, no, all his projects 1006 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:17.960 are dead, and we see some really cool like uh 1007 00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:23.440 pictures and references to things like level three metro Pharmaceuticals, 1008 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:26.119 Level thirty three probably one. So again, these deep connuity cuts. 1009 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.639 You're talking about Craig project aries there. 1010 00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:33.039 It is, Yeah, and it's that's really cool because because 1011 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.360 they to the average viewer, Yeah, but to us, I'm like, oh, 1012 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.639 that's that's the world, that's the universe, building that we 1013 00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:39.039 love something. 1014 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.800 And then you know, Cadmus is such a deep cut, such. 1015 00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.639 A deep cut, and hey, to tight I mean we 1016 00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.360 were talking about, you know, what happened to the clone 1017 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:48.360 Lex and all that stuff. Superboy in the comic books, 1018 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:50.599 Cadmus Labs is where super Boy comes from, so it's 1019 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.039 almost more appropriate Craig then he turned to super Boy. 1020 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:54.000 It's ironically right. 1021 00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:55.280 Yeah. 1022 00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:00.599 But the conclusion they come to is, and I think 1023 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.280 into the episode's credit it's not really a nitpick, but 1024 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.360 it's like Chloe just keeps sending Clark places away so 1025 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:09.480 she can go do what she wants to do because 1026 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:13.159 there's no evidence of, you know, any of these projects 1027 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.000 of lex Is still being active. She's like, oh, you 1028 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.480 know what, Clark maybe was like older project and it's 1029 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.079 not digital, so why don't you why don't you go 1030 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.679 to the Daily Planet archives And he's like, oh, okay, great. Meanwhile, 1031 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:25.519 she because she knows she's gonna go put on the 1032 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.199 doctor Fate home and then she does that again later 1033 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.480 She's like, oh, I think there's a fire somewhere, see 1034 00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.199 you later, Clark. So I think this is her, like, you. 1035 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.079 Know, runs in the family to play little tricks on Clark. 1036 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:39.239 We're about, yeah, that's true, that's true. So he goes 1037 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:42.679 to those same Daily Planet archives, right, Lois is down 1038 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.679 there and she's clicking through and this is actually as 1039 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:47.840 it's a good moment for her because she's clicking through, 1040 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.599 she sees Lana Pete, who she's never met. I don't 1041 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.519 know why she even that registers with her. Good to 1042 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.440 see these characters though, right she sees Clark, She's like, wow, 1043 00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.719 I'm the last one to know. And I'm like wow. 1044 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:01.760 And so it's the small Ville Torch. I mean, that's 1045 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:02.639 such a callback. 1046 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:05.840 That's that's why she's in the Daily Planet Archives. Correct 1047 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:07.559 to look at the small Ville Torch Archives. 1048 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.119 Maybe they have a website, they still exist, like Krypton site. 1049 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.800 Yeah, no, no, that this This is a great moment 1050 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.920 because again they're trying to tile this stuff together. And 1051 00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.760 then Clark shows up and the archives and she knows 1052 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:24.119 that he's the Blur. He doesn't know that she knows, right, 1053 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:26.760 and this is a fun I love this dynamic. And 1054 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.800 they play it out for the first five episodes of 1055 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.000 the season and she's like kind of like, oh yeah, 1056 00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:34.880 so the Blur kiss me. He's like, oh yeah, So 1057 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.639 it's it's a fun back and forth year. 1058 00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.960 Right, Yeah, And I love that she just like drops 1059 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.360 the pen on the ground kind of it's kind of 1060 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:46.760 like Chloe's antics, and because she knows Clark needs an 1061 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:50.719 excuse to go to these Bins and she's just like, yeah, 1062 00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.320 I can't find it anywhere. It's my favorite pan And 1063 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.239 it was just like, I think that's one thing I 1064 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:02.880 really appreciate about Small Villain in particular, is especially by 1065 00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:05.400 this point, they don't play Lois like she's stupid. 1066 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.440 Yeah. After season I mean, starting in season seven ish, 1067 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:11.280 they kind of started to treat her with the maturity 1068 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:12.239 she deserved, you. 1069 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.960 Know, right, But it's like, of course, Lois Lane, the 1070 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.000 best reporter, is going to figure out that Clark Kent 1071 00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:22.000 is Superman, even if she couldn't figure out that her 1072 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.599 boyfriend who dressed up like Robin Hood one week was 1073 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.320 the Green Arro on the next week. I mean, I 1074 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.199 don't know how she didn't figure that one out, but 1075 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:33.079 you know whatever. But No, I thought that was a 1076 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.280 really good moment and very good character building. It's almost well, 1077 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.800 I mean they even say it on the show like 1078 00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:41.639 it's almost like she wants to wait till he's okay 1079 00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:44.639 with telling her. Yeah, but it also doesn't seem like 1080 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:45.880 she's angry with him about it. 1081 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:48.679 No, I think she she's very mature about the whole thing. 1082 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:50.199 And yeah, and that goes a long way. You know, 1083 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:53.039 You're right, like, I don't I think the secret I 1084 00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.119 didnity love triangle thing is fun and they did the 1085 00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:56.519 they did the thing of the faum Moth and small 1086 00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.000 boltes of their credit. Like I think you can't, like 1087 00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:00.760 you can't have a status quo where Clark, Kent and 1088 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:02.559 Lowis Lang work together for years and she doesn't know 1089 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.039 he's superman. I think maybe like maybe like a year 1090 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:06.880 or so like something like like you know, Lewis and 1091 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.360 Clark at the same way, like a couple of seasons 1092 00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:11.000 and the look, hey, she's got to find out now, right, 1093 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.360 and if in Smallville it kind of soft rebooted in 1094 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.159 season eight, you know, and Okay, it's been a couple 1095 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:17.880 years since they've been doing their thing, now is it's 1096 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.519 about time for her to find out. So I don't know, 1097 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.639 like I I don't I like secret identities, right, but 1098 00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:26.639 I think she should. She should definitely find out and 1099 00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:27.639 find out very quickly. 1100 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.800 Yeah, but yeah, it was time for her to find out. 1101 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.599 And it was you know, like the whole thing in Salvation. 1102 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.199 You know, when she has that realization, it's like, Okay, 1103 00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:41.880 it's earned, it's earned. 1104 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.599 So yeah, she just is a little she she crawls 1105 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:46.559 on the desk. Hears him super speed and clearly he 1106 00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:48.000 did whatever he need to do. So she comes out 1107 00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:49.840 is like, oh, I found it, and he's like, oh, 1108 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.079 well what I was looking for was right here anyway, 1109 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.079 So I'm gonna go. And she smiles and you know. 1110 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.760 But also like stick, why wouldn't he have just told 1111 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:03.039 Lois what he was looking for? 1112 00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:05.719 That's true. 1113 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:08.079 I guess super speed to find it. 1114 00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.880 Yeah, yeah, because it's like, well, let me help. 1115 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.159 You, and he's like, no, this will take hours. 1116 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.440 So he calls Chloe back and he's like, hey, Cole, 1117 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.760 I need you to look up Cadmus laugh. He's like, sorry, Clark, 1118 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.400 I can't. I'm at Carter Hall's house. I'm gonna put 1119 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:26.599 on this helmet now, this doctor Feate helmet. I like 1120 00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.920 the JSA costumes and all that correct, But hear me out. 1121 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.800 I have the same esthetic comment about this helment as 1122 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.119 I do with a death stroke helmet and arrow like that. 1123 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:41.199 The the second one, I'm like, these look kind of plastic, 1124 00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:45.000 like because you look at look at the one in Constantine, 1125 00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:46.159 the TV show Constantine. 1126 00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:49.079 I have a picture of myself holding the Constantine helmet. 1127 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.440 It looks fantastic. It's like shining now I think I 1128 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:52.039 know it was. 1129 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.519 Super shiny, and I was like, I'm chloeing out exactly. 1130 00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.400 I think what it is is they're looking out for 1131 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.039 reflections and if you really did like a shiny reflective 1132 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:02.840 Doctor Fate helmet, you see the camera. But I'm like, 1133 00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:05.360 maybe use a different code of paint, Like I hate 1134 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:06.880 to be like that guy. I'm like, don't it looks 1135 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:07.440 so plastic? 1136 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.039 So that was a great shot in the opening titles. 1137 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:12.039 Though, yes, of her putting on this the fan, and 1138 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.159 it ties together with I don't think they mint it 1139 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.440 this way back in Absolute Justice for Doctor Fates, like 1140 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.000 you walk the same path as me, Chloe sold and 1141 00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:20.920 then they're like they find that line and they're like, 1142 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.960 all right, let's use that, and now she's gonna put 1143 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:24.960 on the Fate helmet, which is it's funny because you know, 1144 00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:27.159 when we're talking about these episodes and we rewatch them, 1145 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.800 like why didn't so and so just use that and whatever? Right, 1146 00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.920 It's like, you got a magic helmet and you're trying 1147 00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:34.000 to find somebody, wouldn't you put on the magic helmet 1148 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:35.760 and try to find him? And that's exactly what she does. 1149 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:38.480 So it actually doesn't make a lot of sense, right, And. 1150 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:40.760 You know, we're talking about what they could have done 1151 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.599 with Chloe if they had out had Alison for more episodes, 1152 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.000 they could have had her become the new Doctor Fate. 1153 00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:50.039 Yeah, that is a mantle that gets passed on in 1154 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.400 the comics, and so you know, if you're gonna these 1155 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.480 all these characters get combined and stuff, So sure, why not? 1156 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:56.199 Why not? 1157 00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:57.920 I thought that would have been cool. That would have 1158 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.559 been really cool for her. Actually, yeah, so then we, uh, 1159 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.760 she puts on the helmet and presumably sees the Oliver 1160 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.760 is and she sees shees a whole lot of stuff, right, 1161 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.000 and then Clark finds her and she's knocked out because 1162 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:10.920 the power of the I like how it's like, look, 1163 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:12.679 you can't do this all the time. You gotta respect 1164 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:14.039 the power of this helmet. So it's too much for 1165 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.079 any mere mortal to take on because it drove doctor 1166 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.719 the original Doc Fait crazy. Right, So we cut to 1167 00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:27.639 Oliver getting Casino Roalde here huh. 1168 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:28.920 Or alias that's what I thought of, just getting beaten up, 1169 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:34.199 and good old Rick Flagg, good old Rick Flagg. You know, 1170 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.400 I'll just remind Rick Flagg he's gonna have some fun 1171 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:38.719 with the Peacemaker. 1172 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:43.960 Someday, That's right, But hey, shirtless Oliver plus one, Oh yeah, 1173 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.480 any excuse to cot Justin's Hartley shirtless the show finds it. 1174 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.000 It's just lucky for him he didn't have the Steven 1175 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.239 Emel scars and the tattoos and all that. He could 1176 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.800 just be beautiful guy, even though he got pretty scarred 1177 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.760 up by Zod last season. But we just he's got 1178 00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.719 good plastic surgeons, so what we'll say that he visioned 1179 00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:03.480 the z in his chest. But yeah, the Suicide Squad 1180 00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:07.400 is after the Justice League, and Oliver's arguing that, hey, 1181 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.519 we're trying to save the world, not the bad guys here. 1182 00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.639 And this feels like an extension of like Checkmate for 1183 00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:14.320 kind of from last season and kind of like I 1184 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.199 think the reason I didn't like this as much this 1185 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.400 season because I'm like, you had Amanda Waller and Pam 1186 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.599 Greer do all this last season, and I like that 1187 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:23.119 a lot better. And I think that's what the boy 1188 00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:26.320 that comes up a little little short for me in comparison. 1189 00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:32.599 Craig, I agree, Yeah, I I like their aspects of 1190 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:34.719 season ten that I really wasn't a fan of and 1191 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:38.519 the whole suicide squad aspect is definitely one of them. 1192 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.519 It's like, I guess they're kind of there to show 1193 00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:46.719 Clark more of the darkness in the world. Maybe a 1194 00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:48.800 little bit, but yeah, I was not a fan. 1195 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.800 So Olivers getting electrocuted and they're charging him all this, 1196 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:55.920 and we cut away and we cut to a to 1197 00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.840 a lab somewhere. Craig and Tess Mercer wakes up and 1198 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.000 she has this patch of flesh on her face and 1199 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:06.800 where her face had been, you know, burned off by 1200 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:09.800 Zod right, and she had, you know, died last time 1201 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:11.039 we saw her. She died. 1202 00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.480 H I have a few questions. 1203 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:15.559 Let's let's hear him. 1204 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:18.880 Wasn't half of her body burned instead of just her face. 1205 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.440 Well, I'm just gonna say that that gou has been 1206 00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.760 on her body for a while and it's just been evaporating. 1207 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.360 And she wakes up at the very end of the 1208 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.480 process and it's the last piece she pulls off and 1209 00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:30.119 she's fine. 1210 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.519 See, And I think her hair is still beautiful. 1211 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.480 She looks great. I think I've fallen in love with 1212 00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:39.320 Cassidy Freeman rewatching this show. I think tests is great. 1213 00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:41.639 Cassidy is great, and I see her praises all the 1214 00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:43.719 time on this podcast, but it's like, what a what 1215 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:47.280 a U? What A what a task to fill in 1216 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:49.880 for Michael rosemms like Luthor and she she took this 1217 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:50.400 and ran with it. 1218 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:54.320 Huh, Yeah she did, and I really appreciate. I'm not 1219 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:57.960 gonna swollow people food who don't know, but I feel 1220 00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:00.639 like season ten is when they finally figured out Tests. 1221 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.159 Yeah, no, no doubting that. 1222 00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:07.800 Some of those things they later revealed about Tests are 1223 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.760 kind of hinted that in this episode one hundred percent. 1224 00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:12.000 I was thinking of that too. I was thinking. I 1225 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:14.639 was thinking to myself, you know, in season seven, we're 1226 00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.000 obviously Veritas is the greatest retcon of all time. But 1227 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.239 I always thought to myself, Oh, they probably switched out 1228 00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.400 the window between season six and seven. No, they didn't, Craig. 1229 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.599 They switched out the window like in Traveler, which is 1230 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:30.960 like an episode before. It's just unacceptable at recon this. However, 1231 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.679 I think they did figure out who Test was and 1232 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:36.119 what they were doing with her where they wanted to 1233 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:37.960 go with her at the beginning of the season or 1234 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:40.679 in between the seasons, because why she is here and 1235 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:43.320 how she has healed all that tracks knowing what we know, 1236 00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.320 so right, Also, I guess Granny Goodness just brought her 1237 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.880 here and act she died. 1238 00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:55.039 Yeah, but you know, I'm pretty sure we've talked about 1239 00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:58.199 it before that in Absolute Justice, they were gonna reveal 1240 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.880 that she was Cameron chased from the d out. 1241 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:02.599 No, I don't think we haven't talked about that. 1242 01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.440 Yeah, that was in Jeff John's original script for the 1243 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:06.599 episode called Society. 1244 01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:08.840 Jeff Johnson never told me he was on this podcast 1245 01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:09.360 and never. 1246 01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:13.679 Told me that it was in the script where Amanda 1247 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.000 Waller calls her by her real name, and that was 1248 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:18.320 going to be her connection to Checkmate and all that. 1249 01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.639 Okay, I'm glad they didn't do that. I think they 1250 01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:22.719 did because. 1251 01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.000 This gave her a personal connection to the characters in 1252 01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:31.000 the final season, especially to Lex obviously, and you know 1253 01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:32.400 Lionel when we see. 1254 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.159 Him, Yeah, and Clark Luthor and we see him. 1255 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:38.480 Connected him. 1256 01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:44.719 Oh, but she's a you know, she's she uh is 1257 01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:46.880 in this lab and she gets a lab code and 1258 01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:48.599 she finds like an ID tag in it, and she 1259 01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.000 starts just you know, opening doors and stuff, and she 1260 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.480 comes to this room of all these tubes and it's 1261 01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:57.719 I'm like, oh my god, they're going to do it, right, 1262 01:00:57.760 --> 01:00:59.519 because because in the com books as a president for 1263 01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:02.599 Lex and resurrecting himself. I'm like, they're doing they're leaning 1264 01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:04.559 so much into this comic mythology. And we see like 1265 01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.599 these these weird bodies and tubes and then like like 1266 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:09.360 she like looks in one of them, this weird like 1267 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:11.039 deformed one comes up to the window and it's like 1268 01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:12.960 a big jump scare and all that. I'm like, Oh, 1269 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.079 they're doing the clone Lex thing. That's so exciting. 1270 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.559 Yes, exactly. A question I have is this the first 1271 01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.840 time we saw Jacob Davis's young Legs. 1272 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.239 You know, I look this up and yes, this is 1273 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:27.079 the only time we see him. Uh so, you know, 1274 01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:29.559 small and later this season it does the same thing. 1275 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.880 It has a good tracker of bringing back the young actors, 1276 01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:36.719 like for the continuity of the characters. Right, But at 1277 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.599 this point, if we're going because they wanted to go 1278 01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.480 for a really young Lex here, yeah, they had to 1279 01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:45.000 go younger because everybody else was too old. You know, 1280 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:46.760 all the other younger Legs actors are too old. 1281 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.599 That kid ended up being like Pinocchio on Once upon 1282 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:55.039 a Time. Wow, okay, but yeah, I just wasn't sure 1283 01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.440 if we had seen him in like a flashback in 1284 01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:58.559 season nine or something. No. 1285 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:03.119 He he also was in an episode of Fringe. He 1286 01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:06.679 played little Boy, whichever episode that was. 1287 01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:10.599 But it's like, at I don't know if you I 1288 01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:15.360 really liked the tests in Alexander's story because it gave 1289 01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:19.719 Tests kind of more of a purpose other than you know, 1290 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:23.920 living up to running Luther Corp. Or whatever. It was like, 1291 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:27.559 I'm taking care of this child because I wasn't taken care. 1292 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.599 Of Yeah, it was interesting. I you know, I'll say 1293 01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:33.599 it from the last scene because I remember some stuff 1294 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:34.960 that was being said on the Internet, which I kind 1295 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:36.000 of like, oh, that would have been interesting. 1296 01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:36.559 Okay. 1297 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.760 We see her looking at these tubes and then uh, 1298 01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:41.760 this little kid comes up and she's like, oh, what's 1299 01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:44.960 your name. He's like Alexander. She's like, oh my god, 1300 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:46.800 you're him, and you're like, oh, it's a lax. It's 1301 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:49.000 so cool. She figures out like, oh, you're all engineered 1302 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:50.679 from lex DNA and they call it the call Lex 1303 01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:54.000 the Creator. You know. It's it's like very weird thing 1304 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:55.719 going on here, like there are my brothers and he 1305 01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:57.480 holds his hand up in the and one of the 1306 01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.719 weird mutant ones hold his hand up to the glass. 1307 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.039 It's just it's weird stuff and I like it. I 1308 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:02.440 like it. 1309 01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:04.880 Yeah, it's like creepy body hortor almost Yeah. 1310 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:09.199 Exactly, because there's there's different levels of deformity in these tubes. Yeah. 1311 01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:13.239 Well, like even Alexander was like missing some of his 1312 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:15.320 skin because it wasn't that used to help task. 1313 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:18.039 Yeah, because because he's like, we were we were made 1314 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:20.239 to heal the Creator the way we healed you. And 1315 01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:21.880 he pulls up his shirt and like they had taken 1316 01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:23.719 some of his skin and grafted on her hair and 1317 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:26.840 this is Look, they know that they're in this ridiculous 1318 01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:28.639 place with a lex Luther character. They're like, well, we 1319 01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.480 blow up in a truck and he was injured. So 1320 01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:32.920 they're like, well just lean into that. And they're using 1321 01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:34.840 these clones and body parts and I'm like, hey, good 1322 01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:36.480 for y'all for leaning into this continuity. 1323 01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:39.360 And I know on the DVD commentary they mentioned that 1324 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.000 the set that they used for Cadmus was very small, 1325 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:46.079 so it's probably difficult to shoot in, so but that 1326 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:48.639 made it look more full weirdly enough. 1327 01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:50.920 Yeah, Yeah, because it was in some BIGINTI warehouse. It 1328 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:52.639 was like, oh, this could go on forever, right, because 1329 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:54.519 you don't know how many Lex clones there are, right. 1330 01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:57.639 But I noticed there's a numbering scheme there is. 1331 01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:01.199 There's like a thirteen and a fifteen. And then so 1332 01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:03.280 so Test here's this banging behind a door, right, and 1333 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:05.079 she's like, oh, let me go open up another door. 1334 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:07.679 And then little Alexander's like, no, let's keep the bad one. 1335 01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:10.840 And then this Lex pops out and it's this little 1336 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.320 reaction shot of the one of the mutant clone Lexes 1337 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:14.960 in the tube, like his eyes get real big, like 1338 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:16.920 even he knows that, Oh no, they opened the bad door. 1339 01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:18.679 I thought that was a good little touch there. 1340 01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:19.280 Yeah. 1341 01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:23.920 And this this really insane looking bald Mackensey gray pops 1342 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.360 out and just starts attacking Tests and and it's interesting 1343 01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:29.719 because this is the first scene between Lex Luther and 1344 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:31.639 Test Mercer on the show Craig give you think about. 1345 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.679 It, it is and also like it's kind of weird 1346 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:39.000 to watch now fourteen years later, because like, we know 1347 01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:40.880 what Michael Rose's mom looks like when he gets a 1348 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.000 little bit older. Yeah, and it's not that. 1349 01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:47.440 Well, yeah, they're like, they say, I've misremembered. I thought 1350 01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:49.639 he was like, oh, he's gotta be like forty years older. 1351 01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.719 But she tells Clark later like, oh, he's like twenty 1352 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:53.880 years older. I'm like, you know what, Yeah, you don't 1353 01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:55.760 look that different between thirty and fifty. I hate to 1354 01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:56.480 break a deal. 1355 01:04:57.119 --> 01:04:59.199 Yeah, exactly, Like Michael still looks good. 1356 01:04:59.280 --> 01:04:59.480 You know. 1357 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:02.719 So in theory, this would have been Michael rosebaumb here 1358 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:03.199 if they. 1359 01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:07.159 Got it back, and that would have been amazing. I mean, 1360 01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:09.639 you could even make the argument. I'm not saying they 1361 01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:12.639 should have done it, but if Michael said I don't 1362 01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.320 want to shave my head, who says this clone couldn't 1363 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:15.960 have hair. 1364 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:20.880 Or do the ball capolic they did in the finale, 1365 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:23.440 But there were ways around it. But I suspect. I 1366 01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:29.920 suspect his reasons were not returning were financial, or it 1367 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.159 could have been the aspect that I said about him 1368 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:35.320 having pain yeah, also true, or. 1369 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:38.880 Not knowing, like maybe he could have figured if I 1370 01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:40.599 come back for the first one, they're gonna ask me 1371 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:44.480 back again and again and again. And he wanted to 1372 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.159 save that. So I'm so glad he like I said, 1373 01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.719 I'm so glad he eventually came back, but this would 1374 01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:54.679 have been really good with him. I don't think Mackenzie 1375 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:58.519 Grig was terrible, but I do think John Cryer was 1376 01:05:58.559 --> 01:05:59.639 a better standing lens. 1377 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:04.400 That's a good point. Yeah, Christ Center for Nurse. Yeah, absolutely, 1378 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:05.239 old friend. 1379 01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:08.360 Right, Oh, I did like how in this is probably 1380 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:10.440 getting ahead of ourselves. But there are a couple of 1381 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.039 times where Mackenzie Graye did that thing where he's speaking 1382 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:14.480 with his back turn to somebody. 1383 01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.960 He does that, and he does the he does like 1384 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:19.800 the forearm raised. It's like a go to move by 1385 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:21.800 Rosenmom when he when he's like he just raises his 1386 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:23.960 forearms and he's talking. So I obviously he's studied a 1387 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.840 little bit of of who of who he's great, so 1388 01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:29.239 I feel the same way. I'm like, he's not bad, 1389 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:31.199 but he's not Michael. There's only one Michael. There can 1390 01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:33.880 be only one likes Luthor as the lex says. 1391 01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:36.559 But honestly, like Michael is the best, like slipper across 1392 01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.800 like anything that agreed. 1393 01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:42.440 So an univitable task for McKenzie. But good on McKenzie 1394 01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:44.320 ray for shaving his head and giving it is all 1395 01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:45.840 here like he's given it as all he's trying his 1396 01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:48.760 best and uh he we establish here because he knows 1397 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:50.280 Tests and she's like, how do you know me? He's like, 1398 01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:53.239 I have all Lex's memories and all his emotions. Right, 1399 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:55.679 So it's that shows you that, like they these aren't 1400 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:58.280 just you know, clones their blank slate. They remember all. 1401 01:06:58.320 --> 01:06:59.480 I don't know how the cloning works. 1402 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.719 Wait, so that implies that Lex knew about Tests existing. 1403 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:06.920 Well, yeah, of course that's what he says in the finale, 1404 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:08.159 He's like, why do you think I recruited you? 1405 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.639 And oh yeah, and then there was that whole thing 1406 01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:13.199 about oh I loved you. 1407 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:14.360 That's before they knew. 1408 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.320 Uh yeah, that was the moment. 1409 01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:21.880 Yeah, that's right. So but you know, uh, Test tells 1410 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:25.599 the Lexaner to hide, and then McKinsey Gary Lex he 1411 01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.400 destroys all the other Lex Luthor cloneses like there canna 1412 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.039 only be one Lex Luthor and he burns everything, everything down, 1413 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.760 and that see here's here's my question here then, right, 1414 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.280 Like I guess part of the plot of this episode 1415 01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.039 is and I don't know if this they did is 1416 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.039 before after Mikeroro's mom wasn't gonna be in it, but 1417 01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:43.559 like this clone still would have been like rapidly aging, right, 1418 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:47.039 because like they only I feel like they only did 1419 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:49.239 that to recast. But I don't know, there's I don't know, 1420 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:51.079 who knows. Maybe he wouldn't have died I think at 1421 01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:51.679 the end. I don't know. 1422 01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:55.719 I do think the original intention was for Lex to 1423 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:58.960 age op, up, up, up until he's Michael, and that 1424 01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:02.360 gave him the opportunity like bring back Connor, Stanhope. 1425 01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:05.920 Everybody, Yeah, yeah, yil So so here's yeah, so so 1426 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:09.079 I guess it in their perfect world, micro Rosemond is 1427 01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:10.840 here in this episode as this likes to give you 1428 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:12.760 that little bit of taste or hey remember here he is. 1429 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:15.920 He's back, and maybe that likes would theoretically age up and. 1430 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.720 He'll die yeah at the end. Yeah, and then this 1431 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:20.239 and then it's starts Yourek three search respox situation with 1432 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.199 this little Lex and he gets older and older, you know, 1433 01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:26.279 and he eventually he's literalty boy at the end. So yeah, 1434 01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:29.000 we'll go with that, you know what I'm talking about. 1435 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:33.319 So but hey, uh you mentioned before doctor Hamilton's back. 1436 01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:37.000 They're at the Watchtower or doctor Hamilton is scurrying to 1437 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.640 see what's wrong with Chloe, and like should have given 1438 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.039 him a thirteen episode contract or something. 1439 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.279 But also, why didn't he come help her at the 1440 01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.760 JSA Brownstone or something? Like? Did Clark really just carry 1441 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.199 Chloe's body all the way to the watchtower? 1442 01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:55.079 Yeah, not only should you not move an unconscious body, 1443 01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:58.039 shouldn't super speed an unconscious body. Clark, I mean they 1444 01:08:58.159 --> 01:08:59.560 I would say, well, they didn't have the set, but 1445 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:01.399 they did have the set because she was there. 1446 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:05.119 He did his a little Superman aura to protect her 1447 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:05.520 or something. 1448 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:08.159 Yeah, and nobody's home like Carter Hall's in Africa, as 1449 01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:10.159 we discovered, So like it's a lit been fine for 1450 01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:11.840 them to be that, is it. I guess they wanted 1451 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:15.239 her run a hospital bed and all that stuff. So there, 1452 01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:20.640 but yeah, she wakes up and she's like, oh right, 1453 01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:22.279 She's like, oh Clark, I saw, I saw it all. 1454 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:24.600 And you know, she tells Clark what she did, and 1455 01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:26.279 she was like for Oliver, her and all this stuff, 1456 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.239 and Clark, I saw you and you were the world 1457 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:33.319 heroo and you weren't wearing black, so I us, I 1458 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:35.039 guess he couldn't wear that trench coat anymore. 1459 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.119 No, She's like, I saw, now you still didn't put 1460 01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:38.439 on the. 1461 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:41.119 Cost I saw you and you were cgi. 1462 01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:44.920 Clark. You in the future, you gave up your powers. 1463 01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:50.279 You're wearing flannel, You're wearing funnel again. 1464 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:54.439 So this is another one of those misdirects by Chloe. 1465 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.319 She's like, oh, Clark, I saw fire and I think 1466 01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.239 Cadma's labs in trouble. You should go. He's like, oh, okay, 1467 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:02.800 he super speeds off when you stay on. Chloe, She's like, goodbye, Clark, 1468 01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:04.720 And this is her knowing that she's not gonna see 1469 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:07.359 him again, at least for a while until they all 1470 01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:15.560 entered the Matrix, right Craig. Anyway, earlier, in that cute 1471 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.039 scene between Lois and Clark and the Archives, Lows is like, hey, 1472 01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:20.119 you know, we need to talk and Clark's like yeah, 1473 01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:22.079 and she says, meet you in the barn later, and 1474 01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:23.960 Clark's like, yeah, I'll see you there. I'll be there. 1475 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.720 So Lois is in the barn waiting to talk to Clark. 1476 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:28.960 That's why she's there, and she's looking at a nice 1477 01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:30.600 picture of her and Clark, which I don't know where 1478 01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.359 that picture came from. I always give them credit when 1479 01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:34.680 they like, take a new picture instead of some promo 1480 01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:38.359 shot from season four can you imagine she was looking one? 1481 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.840 Can you imagine she's looking at a shot of like him, 1482 01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:44.479 like asleep in that like dirt field hit her lap? 1483 01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:48.439 Those are some weird promos. Speaking of those shots, Greg, 1484 01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:51.399 I remember I thought it was fan art right when 1485 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:54.000 it first came out, But there was some official CW 1486 01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:58.439 like promotional stuff for season ten using that season four 1487 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:00.600 photo shoot of Clark and Lowis like in the fielding, 1488 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:02.079 like what are you doing that with the s on 1489 01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.479 his chest? You know, I thought it was fan art, 1490 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:06.960 but no, I'm like, come on, c W. Yeah, the 1491 01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:08.800 budget was that low they couldn't even afford you. 1492 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:13.399 Well, I have a poster somewhere for the final season. 1493 01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:15.800 It's got like a light blue background. You've probably seen it, 1494 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.640 and it's like Tom wearing like a suit and tie 1495 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:23.319 I think from the season eight for most suit, but 1496 01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.600 he has a shadow. The shadow is totally Brandon Routh. 1497 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:28.159 Oh, that's the that's the cover of the of the 1498 01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:30.920 DVDs in the blue rays is this is this is 1499 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:32.119 absolutely Brandon Ralph. 1500 01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:34.159 Oh, that's not even what I was talking. 1501 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.479 Oh, I'm holding up my box now, but. 1502 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:40.840 Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, we can't see it. But no, like. 1503 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.439 It's like the Anakin Skywalkers episode one post, right, I 1504 01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:44.399 understand what you mean. 1505 01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.000 Yeah, but no, the one that I saw, it's like 1506 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.960 he's in the middle and there's like a reflection of 1507 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:51.560 the Superman costume underneath. 1508 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:54.600 I think I might have seen that, but yeah, it's 1509 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:59.359 just yeah, yeah, Brandon Ralph through and through it. So yeah, anyway, 1510 01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:03.000 Lois Is, you know, she's in the loftier and she 1511 01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:06.359 sees that box. Because let's not forget this is the 1512 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:09.600 next day after Salvation saw this. It makes sense that 1513 01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:12.199 the Martha left the note in the box and still 1514 01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:15.560 be there. So Lois goes up to the box and 1515 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.000 opens it up, and it's speaking of Brandon, he Earth Craig. 1516 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:19.479 It's the Superman Returns. 1517 01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:22.880 Costume, which they clearly were not allowed to touch too much. 1518 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:25.279 Yeah, what's interesting to me is and this is a 1519 01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:27.640 fantastic change because I've always I'm not the biggest fan 1520 01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:28.920 of that Superman Returns costume. 1521 01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:30.279 I always read. 1522 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:32.680 Yeah, I criticized the cape. I call it a fruit 1523 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:36.600 roll up cape because it's this weird, rubbery, weird thing 1524 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:40.600 and like immediately improved by the proper cloth or red cape. 1525 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:44.399 Right, Yes, agreed, completely but like I said earlier when 1526 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:47.079 we were recording this podcast, it's like there was a 1527 01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:49.159 time when Lois would have just seen that and started 1528 01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:53.680 laughing at how ridiculous it looked. But it also is 1529 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:58.039 just interesting, like to think about what Lois must have 1530 01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:01.159 been thinking when she saw that, Like does she ever 1531 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.439 ask Clark later, like why didn't you put on that suit? 1532 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:03.720 Ye? Know? 1533 01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:05.800 What happened to that suit? And that that's why that 1534 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:07.520 car ride in Harvest. I'm like, I want to hear 1535 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.359 the whole thing where she asked him every possible conceivable question, like, hey, 1536 01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.920 what happened to that suit? Like I don't know, my 1537 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:18.159 alien dad zapped it away? And I like, wouldn't Clark 1538 01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:19.800 just called Martha? I'm like, mom, can you make another one? 1539 01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:21.600 Jarrell took away your costume. 1540 01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:23.680 Costume this time? 1541 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:28.760 Oh that's great, that's a top. That's a top. Now, 1542 01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:33.079 so we see the Superman Returns costume here, right, we've 1543 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:36.000 seen the Superman Returns S on Smallville before. They've kind 1544 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:37.960 of like it's so funny because at this point Superman 1545 01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:40.600 Returns is so far in the rear view mirror. This 1546 01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:42.880 is like four years later, and yet it's still like 1547 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.960 hanging around the show, like, uh, so you see this, 1548 01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:49.920 what do you think, like, just remove yourself from even 1549 01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:52.199 your insider knowledge anything you know about anybody and he 1550 01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:53.159 writes any actors. 1551 01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:53.359 Right. 1552 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.319 You see the Superman Returns costume here in the first 1553 01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:59.479 episode of season ten, Do you think he's gonna wear 1554 01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:00.920 that super Returns costume? 1555 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:03.399 I did think that's what he would. I mean, I 1556 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:05.760 would assume so, since that was the costume we saw. 1557 01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:09.479 But what I find interesting is that at the same 1558 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:13.039 time we had that, we had his first the black 1559 01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.479 plar suit, which had a more traditional ass or like 1560 01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:20.279 when the S's were all over town, and then the 1561 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:25.399 jacket is like the Christopher Reeves shaped ass hmm. 1562 01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:27.279 Was the sign of the S's. They're all different. 1563 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:29.600 Yeah, yeah, I think it was more of a matter 1564 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.760 of what was convenient to them to have at the time. Yeah, 1565 01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:35.359 And they were able to get the Wrath suit. I mean, 1566 01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:38.760 on the same note, crisis, the main reason they gave 1567 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.800 him the Kingdom Come suit is because they weren't allowed 1568 01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:43.840 to use the Superman Returned suit for some reason. 1569 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:47.760 Well, first of all, that's ridiculous, but those are the 1570 01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.560 rules that the WB makes apparently, but also thank God, because 1571 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:52.399 that arguably might be the best costs. 1572 01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:54.960 I think that's my favorite action Superman so. 1573 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.199 Out of that of the Christopher Reeve original one, just 1574 01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:59.960 because that is the costume, and then the Fleisher got 1575 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.000 costume is right there. Yeah, I think I think you would. 1576 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:03.239 I agree about the top three suits. 1577 01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:07.079 Yeah, the Fleischer costume, like on Superman and Lois. When 1578 01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:09.640 I see the Fleischer costume, that's when I most feel 1579 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:11.319 like I'm watching Superman. 1580 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:14.239 Right, why can't that be the main costume on that show? 1581 01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:16.760 Exactly that I'm not. 1582 01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:21.880 Yeah, so this this costume is in this box and 1583 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:23.039 then we see it again at three end of the 1584 01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:25.960 episode and you're like, look, it's the first episode. There's 1585 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:27.319 no way they would tease that. 1586 01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:31.520 Well, they teach at the end of the previous season. 1587 01:15:32.119 --> 01:15:35.920 Well with a different looking s in his reflection. More's 1588 01:15:36.079 --> 01:15:36.760 so funny. 1589 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:37.279 It's just. 1590 01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:42.720 Nothing correlates. The shade of the s is different than 1591 01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:44.800 the shade of the cave. But it's we were just 1592 01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:46.920 out of our minds and the show there was no flights, 1593 01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:49.680 no tights. We see this costume. It was an incredible moment. 1594 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:53.479 So yeah, I wouldn't ask you. Yeah, like earlier, we 1595 01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:57.119 were talking about the trailer that they showed at common Com. 1596 01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.000 Didn't they show that shot of Lois finding a top? 1597 01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:03.039 I believe this shot was in there, and people like 1598 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:06.079 people lost their mind because it's it's a Superman costume, 1599 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:07.319 Like we never thought we'd see the day. 1600 01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:10.680 You know, we thought we're gonna get more of it 1601 01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:11.279 at the end. 1602 01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:13.079 But yeah, we thought for sure it's there. It is 1603 01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:15.039 and the fortress and then you know, you know what's 1604 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.319 so interesting too is when ghost Dad Jonathan hands him 1605 01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:21.760 the suit in the scene where this podcast gets his 1606 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:24.560 name always sold the small Villa Son, It's a different suit. 1607 01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:25.399 It's not this suit. 1608 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:26.920 I didn't even notice that. 1609 01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:28.800 It's it's the I didn't notice it for years, Craig. 1610 01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:30.960 But but like it's it's this. It has no texture, 1611 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:33.520 it's a very flat s it's very strange. 1612 01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:36.239 Nobody was allowed to handle it well, like. 1613 01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:38.159 But it's wrapped in a cape, so you think, like, 1614 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:40.000 I don't know, it's it's strange to me. 1615 01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:43.960 But beyond that, I also did not realize until I 1616 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:47.199 think Tom said it on top Fill or something, that 1617 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:49.800 the shot of him ripping up in the shirt he 1618 01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:51.399 did not have a Superman suit under me. 1619 01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:54.960 I have seen that, and that's correct. That is a 1620 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:59.199 T shirt with an S taste on it underneath a 1621 01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:03.319 dress shirt and a I'm like there, it is terrible. 1622 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:08.159 I'm sure you. I and a lot of our listeners 1623 01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:10.560 have warned more of a Superman costume than Tom has. 1624 01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:13.880 You know what I'm saying, I keep telling you, like 1625 01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:17.680 I keep saying on Twitter, is like, if Michael and 1626 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:20.479 Tom want to get money for their Patreon, if we 1627 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:22.399 give a certain amount, we'll Tom put on the suit 1628 01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:22.960 for us. 1629 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:24.760 I want to see Tom put on a costume and 1630 01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:27.399 Michael shaved his head for the last episode of Tom Phil. 1631 01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:30.840 What level of patron level do we need? 1632 01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:33.359 Yeah, what level of patren do we need to be? 1633 01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:36.279 I mean, I'm broke, but I would pay for that. 1634 01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:39.680 I'll cover you, Craig, I'll cover you for that one. 1635 01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.800 But hey, it's we're in season ten people. We have 1636 01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:45.800 a Superman costume, all right, So amazing stuff. Lois is 1637 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.399 a great line, so much better in technicolor, right, because 1638 01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:50.600 it's not black anymore. He's he's the world's serial and 1639 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:52.560 he's not wearing black. But she hears, she hears somebody 1640 01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:54.640 coming up the steps. Right, She's oh, let me put 1641 01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:56.560 it all Let me put it all back, and she's like, hey, 1642 01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:59.119 I was beginning, you think you were. Boom immediately gets 1643 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:03.439 in the face and it's uh, it's Lex and he's like, 1644 01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:05.000 when I missed it for the world. And I can't 1645 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:07.279 help but look at this. It's like when they it's 1646 01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:09.439 like when they recast any character anywhere, I can't help 1647 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:11.000 but watch and me like, what would this be like 1648 01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.159 with the original actor or the intended actor? And it's like, 1649 01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:16.319 I can I can hear how Rosamon would have said 1650 01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:18.039 all these things and have been so much better. No 1651 01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:20.159 offense to McKinsey gray, but you know what I'm saying, right. 1652 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:24.640 Yeah, No, it's completely It's just he had a certain delivery. 1653 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.399 I mean, I mean, this is a small Ville podcast. 1654 01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:30.520 I don't think we can say enough good stuff about 1655 01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:32.199 Michael's performance. 1656 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:33.960 Right, And it's it kind of shows you it's an 1657 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.840 interesting experiment. It kind of shows you like, yeah, what 1658 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:39.319 if he didn't cast someone as good as Lex, it 1659 01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:41.039 would have been it would have just felt kind of flat, 1660 01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:43.640 like he brought so much to it, and it's this 1661 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:45.520 intangibleness and anyway. 1662 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.720 Well, I feel like small Bell got very lucky with 1663 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:52.039 certain casting choices. Like this is another thing that came 1664 01:18:52.119 --> 01:18:54.800 up on Talkville a couple months ago when they had 1665 01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:58.119 Erica on and she was talking about how she was 1666 01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:00.840 so nervous when she first came on as low as Slane, 1667 01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:04.720 but that makes it even more impressive, how like from 1668 01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:09.760 the first frame she just was like completely ingrained in 1669 01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:13.199 the series and fitting in. And I don't think we 1670 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:16.680 could picture a different Lois in that show. And I 1671 01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:18.359 think Michael was a similar situation. 1672 01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:21.760 Yeah, same thing with Tom. Honestly, I mean, we all 1673 01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:24.359 love Jensen Ackles, but I don't think he would have 1674 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:26.079 been the same Clark that Tom would have been. 1675 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:27.760 He wouldn't have been as relatable. 1676 01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:29.840 But I think he might have put on a Superman costume. 1677 01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:30.439 But let's move on. 1678 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:37.479 Now. I'm just picturing Jensen Ackles in a Superman costume 1679 01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.119 having a potty mouth like he had on The Boys. 1680 01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:43.279 That's right. Yeah, he clearly has no version of wearing 1681 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:44.199 superhote costumes. 1682 01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:46.439 Yeah. True, Clark has. 1683 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.760 Arrived at Cabin's Labs. He's going through all the wreckage, right, 1684 01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.439 a bunch of dead, dead, charred bodies. He's picking up 1685 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:55.000 like LX thirteen and all these labels, right, and and 1686 01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:56.840 he finds Tests and I like how Clark goes up 1687 01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:58.800 there and he's about to like cause Test is like 1688 01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:01.239 tied up somewhere and he's about to set her free, 1689 01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:02.680 and then he's like wait, He's like wait a minute. 1690 01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:05.319 Everybody's here's dead except for you. Like what's going on here? Right? 1691 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:07.800 This is a good a good scene between them. 1692 01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:11.399 Yeah, it's like they weren't completely allies yet they're still 1693 01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.520 which they're not. Yeah, yeah, they're still kind of thawing 1694 01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:16.520 out with each other. Like I feel like by the 1695 01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:20.760 end of the series, things are good, but you know, 1696 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:23.199 they got to carry Oky together and everything. 1697 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:26.560 Yeah, exactly. But she explains like, hey, look, I don't 1698 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:28.159 know what happened when I woke up, I was healed. 1699 01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:31.479 And he's like he did it Lex, you know, And 1700 01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:33.199 she's like Clark, he's he must have been like twenty 1701 01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:37.479 years older. Like sure, okay, that's. 1702 01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:39.640 He's not as good of an actor as he used 1703 01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:39.840 to be. 1704 01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:45.960 Like I guess, I guess there's a hell, I guess 1705 01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:48.560 that's there. It's the aging thing, because that's why it's 1706 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:50.720 not just like they could have gotten more like mutated. 1707 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:52.359 But that's weird, So like, I think the aging was 1708 01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:55.359 probably the right choice, right, and so she explains it. No, no, 1709 01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:58.000 the original legs. He planned to use these bodies, you know, 1710 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:00.319 to heal his own body, right, which is you know, 1711 01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:02.159 part of the cobooks, right, so let's. 1712 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:04.239 But then his body went boom in requel. 1713 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:07.880 Yeah. See that's the thing, right, what is your I 1714 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:12.840 think the show wants us to believe that the Lex 1715 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:16.239 Zero from the series finale is this piece together Lex 1716 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:18.479 from all these clones. But I think in my heart 1717 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:23.000 I want to believe that's like the original Lex still. 1718 01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:26.840 I mean, I mean I would. Yeah, I never gave 1719 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:29.880 a lot of thought, but I I guess I was 1720 01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.640 too distracted by the way they ended Lex's story in 1721 01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:36.359 the show, annoying me. Yeah, that I didn't really put 1722 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:38.399 a lot of thought into like which Lex it is, 1723 01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:41.960 but that does track. Yeah, he just didn't have a heart. 1724 01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:45.000 Yeah, so that's why he's zero. He's like Lex Prime 1725 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.239 in the original Lex. And maybe that maybe that Lex 1726 01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:48.560 in the truck was a clone. I mean, that's the 1727 01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:49.800 great headcanon we all played. 1728 01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:52.159 But anyway, oh yeah, that I think that might have 1729 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:54.800 been My thought actually, was that was the clone. 1730 01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:57.319 That was well, what was so genius about the series finale, 1731 01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:00.840 which you will hear me praise very infrequently. A genius 1732 01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.960 thing they did, though, was they tied together Darth Legs 1733 01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:05.199 with Michael because he takes that mask off and it's 1734 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:07.159 the mask that the darth Legs was wearing. I'm like, okay, 1735 01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:09.279 look at you doing, doing what you can. Let you 1736 01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:09.840 have small Bill. 1737 01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:11.640 Well, they just wanted to have a good shot for 1738 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:14.760 the trailer. I give the falling off. 1739 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:17.520 Yeah, that's that. They They used every shot of room 1740 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:22.279 they could to promote that stuff. But Clark, Clark, he 1741 01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:25.039 frees he freezed Tests and he's like, why did he 1742 01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.079 leave you alive? Because he killed everybody else. And at 1743 01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:29.119 this point we think, is the audience, oh, did he 1744 01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:31.880 kill little Alexander? I don't know, right, Test keeping her 1745 01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:35.560 secrets right, but Tess said he left uh, lex left 1746 01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:39.560 her alive to send Clark a message that and that 1747 01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:41.680 he said that you'd come see me, and when you 1748 01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:43.800 did that, it was finally time for the two of 1749 01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:47.640 you to face off. He's in Lawson's field, which I 1750 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:51.800 guess we're supposed to know who that is. That's apparently 1751 01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:54.920 where they hang the Scarecrow every every year and Vel 1752 01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:57.960 High School. So you know, Craig, we haven't seen this 1753 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.600 since season one, you know this carecrows. And I thought 1754 01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:04.279 it was a missed opportunity in season four, if you're 1755 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:06.840 gonna have Clark play football, which I disagreed with frankly, 1756 01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:10.920 I think, yeah, I thought, you know, I thought, you 1757 01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:13.520 know what, they handled it perfectly in season why he 1758 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:14.880 doesn't want to play football, but you know what they're 1759 01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:16.920 doing it in season four? What can he do there? 1760 01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:19.359 You should have an episode where he like stops this 1761 01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:22.119 tradition and saying like, hey, we shouldn't do this, you know, right, 1762 01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:25.279 But that's like it's it's right there. Like I feel 1763 01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:27.000 like they should have done that. It's a missed opportunity. 1764 01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:33.039 I feel like on the commentary, didn't they make a 1765 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:37.159 reference to possibly having the reunion being at Lowbridge from 1766 01:23:37.199 --> 01:23:38.399 the pilot? 1767 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:40.520 Oh yeah, that would have made sense, but it had 1768 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:41.279 been too expensive. 1769 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:43.840 They really like Matt, well. 1770 01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:45.680 Yeah, where I first see, well, yeah, that's the whole 1771 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:47.560 thing where you saved me, where I saved you? Right, 1772 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.399 So this is interesting here because and then you think about, like, okay, 1773 01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:52.880 what if this is rosenbomb. It would have been a 1774 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:55.840 slightly different introduction because because Lex pops out and he's 1775 01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:59.199 like quoting the Scarlet Letter, it's a classic. The dialogue 1776 01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:02.760 here is a plus for Lex, like it's all tracks. 1777 01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:04.560 Los Is like, way you know, Clerk, Like if it 1778 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:07.000 looked like Rosa mom, she would she would have known 1779 01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:10.079 who he was, right, Sure, there is one fly in 1780 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:13.640 this ointment though, right this, Lex doesn't know anything about 1781 01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:17.800 Clark and Lois? Right, how would he know to go kidnap? 1782 01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:19.840 I guess she was at his bar and he's like, well, 1783 01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:21.439 I guess he likes her now, But. 1784 01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:24.880 I feel like there had to have been like articles 1785 01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:29.159 or like there're semi famous reporters by this point sort of. 1786 01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:31.600 Yeah, well, I mean if he he goes to the 1787 01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:34.039 he goes to the barn, probably looking for Clark, right, yeah, 1788 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.119 he finds Lois there, he knocks her out and he's like, oh, 1789 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:37.760 look a picture here and this or that, you know 1790 01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:38.680 five minutes. 1791 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:41.920 Scene where he tried to attack Lana and Lona was like, 1792 01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:47.880 he's not even with me, He's with and that's how 1793 01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:48.479 he found out. 1794 01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:51.439 That's that's how that's what they pitched to. Kristen Kuric. 1795 01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:55.680 Craig Yes, that's yeah, that was the scene. But no, 1796 01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:57.680 but I love this. She's quote the Scarlet Letter and 1797 01:24:57.720 --> 01:24:59.840 would that I might endure his agony as well as mine. 1798 01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.439 I guess it's the S. I mean he paints it 1799 01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:05.720 on her tank top. It's the imagery of the pilot 1800 01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:07.800 coming back to this was genius. 1801 01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:12.039 Oh yeah, absolutely. Also just the notion that Clark and 1802 01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:13.840 Lewis first kind of met in the cornfield. 1803 01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:16.880 Yeah, I was thinking that too, right, of the same 1804 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.479 kind of the environment. And of course he goes on 1805 01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:21.760 to say the letter is a mark of shame because 1806 01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:24.039 he you know, he doesn't like the S and he 1807 01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:26.119 references saving Clark. I don't know. This is all just 1808 01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:29.600 also really well done. Yeah, and then he he kind 1809 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:34.039 of lays out his dastardly plan, uh to lois that 1810 01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:36.319 that he'll lose you and it'll break him and all 1811 01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:40.560 he does was betray me. And it's it's it's great 1812 01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.079 stuff here and and and you know it would have 1813 01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:45.319 been a placid rosamm but it's probably like, you know, 1814 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.760 a minus with McKinsey gray. So he does say he's 1815 01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:51.000 she's like, oh you look different. He's like, I've evolved. 1816 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:54.279 That's a relex thing to say, Oh absolutely, and he's 1817 01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:56.479 like and with age comes wisdom and he just sets 1818 01:25:56.520 --> 01:25:58.079 the whole place on fire. And he's like, because he 1819 01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:01.479 says you were the greatest week, that's true. What could 1820 01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:05.399 he like? Could John Glover had played clone Lex? He 1821 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:09.359 shaved his head, He's done it before. That would have 1822 01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:11.079 been too confusing, way too. 1823 01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:14.960 The reason we didn't see John Lover until the Luther's 1824 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:16.239 because he wasn't available. 1825 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:19.279 Well, I mean that was the perfect time to bring 1826 01:26:19.359 --> 01:26:19.800 him back to. 1827 01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:23.479 Yeah, and also he was dead but yeah, no, but 1828 01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:26.079 I mean the real life explanation, I think he was 1829 01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:28.439 doing a player around that time, but. 1830 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:30.359 That this is a really well directed sequence of just 1831 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:32.760 like Dutch angles and like especially when Lex is walking 1832 01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:34.800 off and he throws the match down, like the match 1833 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:36.880 that lands on the lens of the camera and then 1834 01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:39.000 you know it's just really it has a lot of 1835 01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:40.359 a lot of style to it, right. 1836 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:40.720 Yeah. 1837 01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:44.479 I remember there's so much speculation about this, these shots 1838 01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:46.000 here between Clark and Lex because they were in the 1839 01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:48.520 trailer and be like, who is that? He's some old 1840 01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:50.600 ball guy in it next to a tree, but it's 1841 01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:52.920 it's really well shot. He's like, where's the real Lex, 1842 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:55.079 and he says the creator died two years ago, so 1843 01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:58.800 there's still referencing Requiem saying that that that Lex died 1844 01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:01.439 and you know that that was gonna be the thing, 1845 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:04.319 and it may very well may be the thing. We 1846 01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.640 don't know, so, but this is so cool to see. 1847 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:10.319 We haven't seen Clark and Lex haven't seen together since Arctic. Yeah, 1848 01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:13.439 and that was kind of a last year was little disappointing, 1849 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:17.560 you know, we talked about it. But but it's so 1850 01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:19.840 cool to see like this version of Clark, he's the 1851 01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:23.159 blur now he's a superhero and lexis lexis still Lex, 1852 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:25.119 and he's like that that pride on your chest and 1853 01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:26.640 he hates the s and all that, and like that's 1854 01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:27.319 so Lex Luthor. 1855 01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:28.960 It's so good evolved. 1856 01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:32.760 They have both evolved. Yeah, oh and you're right talking 1857 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.880 about the Low Bridge and he's like, yeah, the bridge. 1858 01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:39.560 You know, Lex with Di diet. I hadn't pulled him 1859 01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:41.039 out of that car. He's like, and you never let 1860 01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:42.760 me forget it. And again, these are all just I 1861 01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:45.600 can just hear Rosenbom saying this, and it's it's so 1862 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:50.319 good time he dragged me the sure right, it's this 1863 01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:52.079 this is the scene where he does the forum thing 1864 01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:53.760 I'm talking about, Craig. It's a good This is. 1865 01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:56.399 Gonna be another like Patreon bribe bribe that we're gonna 1866 01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:58.920 have to give them, Like, can you film this scene 1867 01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:00.960 so we can edited into it. 1868 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:03.640 We just we just need to scan Michael's face and 1869 01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:07.920 just deep fake him in to the scene. But I 1870 01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:12.479 love him hating the you know, that self righteous symbol 1871 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:14.520 and your pride and the darkness in your heart. And 1872 01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:17.359 he's calling Clark out, and Clark kind of proves him 1873 01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:23.680 right by trying to kill him, you know, yeah, but 1874 01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:25.880 he you know, he compares them as brothers. Again, I 1875 01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.560 don't know, like this, this is the heart of the show, 1876 01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:31.279 these two guys, right, And even though Rosa Moom's on here, 1877 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:34.239 I applaud season ten for keeping the presence of Lex 1878 01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:36.800 alive the whole time until we finally get him the 1879 01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:37.600 last episode. 1880 01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:38.920 Yes, I agree. 1881 01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:41.439 Also, he's one hundred percent right because he's like, the 1882 01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:43.359 only reason people call you a hero, it's since you're 1883 01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:46.800 cleaning up the messages that you make. He's got. That's 1884 01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:48.000 a lot of the seasons of the show. 1885 01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:52.560 But Clark should know already, I mean from the second, 1886 01:28:52.720 --> 01:29:00.279 like his meteors smashed Slana's parents or parent the one 1887 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:00.880 was still alive. 1888 01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:07.960 Yeah, oh the gosh, oh my goodness, that was a 1889 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:10.439 long time ago. They don't even remember that character now 1890 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:12.720 that I don't know who they forgot worse, Henry Small 1891 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:13.680 or Gabe Sullivan. 1892 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:17.600 So well, you know, they talked about at Christian reasonly 1893 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:19.880 and recently did a convention and she talked about how 1894 01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:22.920 she liked working with Patrick Cassidy, which I thought was 1895 01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:27.640 amusing because we don't really we hadn't really heard those stories. 1896 01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:33.840 But what was the other one that you said Gabe 1897 01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:37.880 Sullivan gave SolV that was that was another one where 1898 01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:42.359 I remember asking, like, I don't want to name names, 1899 01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:44.560 and if any smallvill writers are listening to this, I 1900 01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:47.720 promise I'm not going to out you. But I remember 1901 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:50.479 the beginning of season eight they were preparing they were 1902 01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:52.760 currently I was at the premiere party they were currently 1903 01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:56.079 writing Bride, and I said, is Chloe's dad going to 1904 01:29:56.159 --> 01:30:02.279 be there? And they go, I thought he was dead? 1905 01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.560 Yeah they should Honestly, Craig, they should have just killed 1906 01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:10.039 him and gone or you know when or you know, 1907 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:12.000 the beginning season four, like oh, Chloe made it out, 1908 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:13.720 but Gabe didn't problem because that's the last time we 1909 01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:14.520 see him anyway. 1910 01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:17.800 Yeah, and there are things that the actors sometimes forget, 1911 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:20.199 Like I remember so when I was on set for 1912 01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:22.880 Promise doing interviews for my season four book, and I 1913 01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:26.079 remember one of the questions asked, oh something. It was 1914 01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:29.920 like like, why wasn't there a scene where Lana found 1915 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:33.479 out that Chloe was still alive? And Allison did not 1916 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:35.439 remember filming it? And then I'm watching the season for 1917 01:30:35.640 --> 01:30:38.920 DVD and it's the three of them and it's like, oh, 1918 01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:44.800 that happens. So sometimes the actors forget too, I guess, speaking. 1919 01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:46.640 Of deleted scenes, like I wish and I'm Superman, Lois 1920 01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:49.199 the first season did this for their extra long presentations. 1921 01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:51.239 Sometimes I wish, like, and again, this is work and 1922 01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:52.680 they don't want to pay people and the return on 1923 01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:55.159 investment is solow. But I wish they were like releast 1924 01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:57.520 extended episodes of Smallville because there's a lot of these 1925 01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:00.920 episodes have so many deleted scenes that are like add 1926 01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:03.760 to the plot, you know, like really enhance the story. 1927 01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:08.239 Well, I remember when they first started doing the complete 1928 01:31:08.279 --> 01:31:12.319 series DVD set. I remember I suggested to somebody, you 1929 01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:14.560 should just edit together the original Veritas. 1930 01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:16.560 Yeah, oh man, that was so good. 1931 01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:20.039 But you know, even if it's unfinished, people would understand. 1932 01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:22.319 It's like the Donner cut of The Man too. People 1933 01:31:22.359 --> 01:31:23.000 that understand. 1934 01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:25.119 I think that again, I think it's a thing where 1935 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:27.000 it would be like having to pay people for another 1936 01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:28.680 episode that didn't accept that. 1937 01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:30.239 That's why they whenever they do stuff like that, that 1938 01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:32.600 have to list it it's a special feature, right, because 1939 01:31:32.600 --> 01:31:34.960 they're trying to cover it. And I get the legality 1940 01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:35.359 of it, but it. 1941 01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:38.960 Just which it's unfortunate because I mean, especially in the 1942 01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:42.800 case of the Veritas things, since we saw flashback to it, 1943 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:47.520 but which they just talked about on. 1944 01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:50.359 Top Film, Like, yeah, that was that was crazy. Like 1945 01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:52.800 I thought that for years, and now going to conventions 1946 01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:54.920 and seeing talk film, Michael has slowly revealed that they 1947 01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:58.079 did fill him out there in this in the Snow 1948 01:31:58.119 --> 01:31:59.479 and we're all like, where did this comment? Like it 1949 01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:02.000 explains I guess they just they just did. They want 1950 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:03.479 to cover their bases and they're like, we'll put every 1951 01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:05.039 character here and we're gonna be out here, and it 1952 01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:07.119 makes sense. But that was that was so interesting to 1953 01:32:07.159 --> 01:32:10.560 me to finally hear him confirm where that even came from, 1954 01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:13.560 because it's interesting. Is we so many comment I'm sure 1955 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:15.600 we've mentioned this before, but it was like in one 1956 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:18.520 of the promos for I think it was Sleeper in 1957 01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:22.159 season seven, they show footage of Lax in a parka 1958 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:24.560 approaching the Forge, which would have been the last shot 1959 01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:27.960 of season seven, as I understand it, the Veritie original 1960 01:32:28.079 --> 01:32:31.920 Veritas version. Yes, and that's that's different than what we 1961 01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:34.199 see in this series finale when is Mine gets a race, 1962 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:36.000 that's just a random shot Lex in the snow, which 1963 01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:39.560 if you search Smallville Gift Hulu and Hulu you know 1964 01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:41.239 first got the show that they had all these gifts. 1965 01:32:41.399 --> 01:32:45.399 That's one of them. Insane of all the images, you 1966 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:46.479 can choose. 1967 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:51.600 Something that one of the Mackenzie grayles excitedly. 1968 01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.760 Anyway, Anyway, when Lex gets his memory race, he doesn't 1969 01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:57.319 remember any of this because it's totally Lax. So Lex's 1970 01:32:57.359 --> 01:32:59.800 goating Clark, and Clark starts choking Lex as no straps 1971 01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:02.039 arts to bleed and we've seen it bleed a little 1972 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:04.279 bit before, showing that he's like dying, you know, kind 1973 01:33:04.279 --> 01:33:06.479 of shakes Clark out of his rage and he backs 1974 01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:10.319 off and lex is like, don't fly to yourself, Clark, 1975 01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:12.239 I'm dying, but it's not your fault. You know, the 1976 01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:14.439 world will turn he gets in the Green Goblin speech, right, 1977 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:16.800 you know, like they'll turn against you eventually. And the 1978 01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:18.439 one thing that people love more and than the heroes 1979 01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:21.680 to say your hero fall. Right, So he's like, tomorrow 1980 01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:24.960 the world will reject its heretic hero because he puts 1981 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:27.960 up this impossible choice, which is Superman in the movie, 1982 01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:31.119 as he gives Superman lexive Superman like you, even it's 1983 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:34.479 your great speed, Superman, you can't dig these two things 1984 01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:37.680 at once. So he says, you either the bombs rocking 1985 01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:39.880 roof of the Daily Planet, it's gonna hit rush hour traffic, 1986 01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:42.560 you know those twelve people in the street, or are 1987 01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:44.880 you say the one we love? Like who's in a cornfield? 1988 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:47.439 And he's like, where is she? And it's interesting he says, 1989 01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:52.039 it's where I first saved you, which is hey, true. 1990 01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:55.800 But what what if he said? What if he said, well, 1991 01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:57.880 I'm gonna kill the woman you love and Clark goes 1992 01:33:57.920 --> 01:33:58.720 looking for Anna. 1993 01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:05.319 Yeah, you know, it's it's like Aero season two where 1994 01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:06.439 like they take the wrong person. 1995 01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:10.159 Yeah, yeah, no, totally. 1996 01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:14.079 It's a good setup though. It's a great classic suitor plan. 1997 01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:17.520 Yeah, it's right up there with stealing ten piles. 1998 01:34:20.359 --> 01:34:23.720 So yeah. And then and then you see this old 1999 01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.640 clone Legs just die, you know, and Clark super speeds 2000 01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:29.239 off and it's a it's interesting shot and it's it's creepy. 2001 01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:31.039 You get a lot of creepy leg stuff in this episode. 2002 01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:33.079 But then we see, uh, we see the Daily we 2003 01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:35.319 see the explosion underneath the Daily Planet globe, and we 2004 01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:39.560 see Clark running faster than ever has before, right, and uh, 2005 01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:41.680 it's a very I mean, he can't fly yet, so 2006 01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:44.000 it's a very flash like safe. He runs into the 2007 01:34:44.039 --> 01:34:47.159 field and he just super speeds around putting out the fire. 2008 01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:48.159 It's a really cool safe. 2009 01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:51.399 He puts out the fire and do you have the 2010 01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:55.560 flash pilot. He pretty much does that with a tornado 2011 01:34:55.600 --> 01:35:00.600 guy Weather Wizard run, Clark run, Clark run. 2012 01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:04.479 Like they spend just long enough we actually see him, 2013 01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:07.399 you know, instead of just like a pun intended a blurb. 2014 01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:08.760 But that that adds a lot to the same. 2015 01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:11.479 I think it adds out to the save. But also 2016 01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:13.319 like that they show the aftermath of just like the 2017 01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:19.119 embers that are still out. I really liked what happens next, 2018 01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:21.800 although there's the question of like, did he crush those 2019 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:22.960 people in that taxicab? 2020 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:27.319 Yeah? Oh, and when when Lewis wakes up, she's like, oh, 2021 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:30.520 get him because she knows Clark saved yeah her. And 2022 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:32.640 has anyone ever looked better in a tank top than 2023 01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:34.680 Ergar Durant's in the scene. I think not, but. 2024 01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:39.479 Terry Hatcher's loves Laye in the episode just say. 2025 01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:44.720 No, I'll look it up after this. You're right, Solark 2026 01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:47.399 is super speeding downtown. He jumps off his taxi and 2027 01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:50.279 these two people get thrown like a hundred feet. Craig, 2028 01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:51.079 You're absolutely right. 2029 01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:53.439 No, But I was just gonna say before we get 2030 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:57.960 to that. With Terry Atchers, Lois, she had a similar 2031 01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:01.359 reaction after she found out Clark was super Like they're 2032 01:36:01.439 --> 01:36:03.680 arguing and then she's like, just go but you know, 2033 01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:06.359 it's like it's the same kind of vibe of you 2034 01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:08.600 just go get him. And so I thought that was 2035 01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:10.279 a good callback. That is great. 2036 01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:15.279 So you know, Clarky, he's he's breaking the all kinds 2037 01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:17.960 of speed and sound very Zoo's flashing lights behind him 2038 01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:20.800 as he runs, and as you said, he does this, 2039 01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:24.159 like step up on this taxi and it blows like 2040 01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:26.079 two people back like one hundred feet, Like, oh, that's 2041 01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:28.000 gonna that's some collateral damage to those people. 2042 01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:32.520 Oh well, I so I know there's some debate like 2043 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:36.239 did he fly or not in the scene. I think 2044 01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:38.319 they said something about this on the comment I mean, 2045 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:41.760 they wouldn't confirm or deny on the commentary, but I'm 2046 01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:45.439 going my head canon is that he did fly. It's 2047 01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:47.680 just he didn't think about it, so therefore he could 2048 01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:51.439 do it. It was like an adrenaline moment. And I agree, 2049 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:55.239 so I think he completely because how could he so 2050 01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:59.880 perfectly carry that globe and not drop it and put 2051 01:36:59.880 --> 01:37:01.560 it exactly the right. 2052 01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:03.840 Spot because he's leaping a tall building in a single 2053 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:04.399 bound craig. 2054 01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:06.960 Yeah, and he's more powerful than locomotive. 2055 01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:09.279 File is that it faster than spinning bullet is what 2056 01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:13.600 I heard. But I agree with you, I think, and 2057 01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:15.800 I like the conceit of him not being able to 2058 01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:18.039 fly as like this mental block because he sees him 2059 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:20.960 as a human right. That's and yes, we understand why 2060 01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:22.920 they did that because the show rantieers, you can't have 2061 01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:25.600 him flying, but like for a story, reason. I think 2062 01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:27.479 that that totally tracks for me. I'm not going to 2063 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:29.880 criticize it, but you're right, he's he in his like 2064 01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:31.560 I have to save the day, Like he's not thinking 2065 01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:33.319 about it and he's flying up and I remember that's 2066 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:36.239 that's in that that season ten trailer from the Comic 2067 01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:37.720 Cony you see, And I was like, oh. 2068 01:37:37.560 --> 01:37:41.199 My god, right, if it's incredible his determination, and but 2069 01:37:41.239 --> 01:37:44.000 you also have to think like the times he did fly, 2070 01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:45.720 it would be like when he was under Red k 2071 01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:48.680 or if he was cow. You know, it was always 2072 01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:53.199 a moment where he didn't have those inhibitions. Yeah there, 2073 01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:56.960 he just didn't know how to use it. So yeah, 2074 01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:59.840 that was such a great scene, great heroic moment despite 2075 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:00.720 the where people in the. 2076 01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:04.039 Text absolutely and you know he's he he puts the 2077 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:07.560 glow back and everybody's cheering, the fifteen people they have 2078 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:11.840 as extras, and he sees their eyody to the one street, 2079 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:13.640 he sees their body cheering farm and then he just 2080 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:17.000 super speeds back to the barn and which I think 2081 01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:19.600 is stock footage of some super speed shot from outside. 2082 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:21.680 They can farm at some point, but it's fine, and 2083 01:38:22.159 --> 01:38:24.199 he goes back and he obviously in his mind, he's like, 2084 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:27.560 you know what, I'm Superman. Now I'm gonna put on 2085 01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:29.800 this costume. Things is gonna be great, you know. I mean, 2086 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:33.000 he opens up the box. He's he's about to put 2087 01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:36.239 it on, and then The Adventures of Tom sugerbook blows 2088 01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:39.399 because that tagonal disc is in there, and then Clark 2089 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:45.159 and the costume gets zapped to the fortress. Thank you, Jorell. 2090 01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:52.199 It looks like they repanted the Fortress between seasons nine 2091 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:54.199 and ten, though, because I because at the end of 2092 01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:55.960 season eight, when Brandan took over, it was all like 2093 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:58.319 gray and all that, you know, yea, and they kind 2094 01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:00.239 of kept that in season nine. They probably didn't have 2095 01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:01.720 the budget. But it seems like here in season ten 2096 01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:03.520 it looks cleaner again. I don't know if it's lighting 2097 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:06.479 or what, but I just I just noticed that maybe perfect, 2098 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:09.840 but we can see. You know what I don't. I 2099 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:11.880 don't love this whole, Like Derell's mad at him now 2100 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:13.840 a thing. It's just a it's just another two steps 2101 01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:16.600 back thing. But I do like how Welling is plained it. 2102 01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:18.199 He's kind of smile. He's like, yeah, you don't feel 2103 01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:19.840 like it was flying like you can see the pride 2104 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:22.720 that they're talking about, Like it's not just it's not 2105 01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:24.319 just lip servers, Like he can see he's getting a 2106 01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:27.560 little full of himself here. So I do like that part. 2107 01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:30.840 But like Drell's like, hey, you the darkness. So I'm like, 2108 01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:34.239 come on, man, he took away by costume because you 2109 01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:34.840 don't think I'm a. 2110 01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:37.880 Polo costume here because Tom Welling told me you don't 2111 01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:38.520 want to wear it. 2112 01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:44.720 The perfect storm of things keeping us forgetting Here's the thing, right, 2113 01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:48.600 I if Tom wanted or wanted to, I think it 2114 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:50.399 may have been irrelevant. The probably wouldn't even let him 2115 01:39:50.439 --> 01:39:53.920 wear it. I don't know who's right, even like I 2116 01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:55.920 would have loved to have a whole season like Supermanure one, 2117 01:39:55.920 --> 01:39:57.359 but that's not that's not what the show is. Some 2118 01:39:57.439 --> 01:39:59.800 we signed up for. We have to understand that, right, 2119 01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:02.359 But just the fact that like it was there and 2120 01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:04.479 then Gerald like takes it away and puts it into 2121 01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:07.199 like an ice pillar is kind of It's kind of weird, Craig, but. 2122 01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:10.279 You know, we as an audience probably feeling the exact 2123 01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:12.880 same thing Clark was at the time, Like Jiurelle, you 2124 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.520 are such a dick. Yeah, you know what I mean, 2125 01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:20.359 we just you know it was it was like Lucy 2126 01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:23.960 in the Football with Charlie Brown Peanuts cartoons. 2127 01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:25.760 And it's they're kind of going because Clark and Joel 2128 01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:27.239 were kind of in a good place last season, so 2129 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:28.800 they're kind of going back further like when they were 2130 01:40:28.840 --> 01:40:30.079 kind of at odds with each other. I guess they 2131 01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:32.239 figured that's more interesting, which it is is always. 2132 01:40:32.680 --> 01:40:36.039 In retrospect, like if you ever do a Smallville timeline, 2133 01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:43.039 Jeoryel makes no sense, Like just like, yeah, well. 2134 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:45.239 I have a question for you, Craig. How many episodes 2135 01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:46.800 do you think Jerrel was in season nine? 2136 01:40:48.479 --> 01:40:48.760 Four? 2137 01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:51.239 Two? 2138 01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:55.239 Okay? 2139 01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:58.000 That that that blew my mind too? A savior and 2140 01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:00.279 echo where he gives them the my reading power. That's 2141 01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:03.560 in season nine. He is in four in season ten though, 2142 01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:07.520 so just so you know, wait, which episode which season 2143 01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:13.560 was Julian Sand's first in season nine? Does that count? Oh? Well, okay, 2144 01:41:13.560 --> 01:41:15.680 fair enough. I was just I was, I guess I mad. 2145 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:19.279 The voices are all turns down, but h okay, he's dude, 2146 01:41:19.319 --> 01:41:21.239 he's only in what episode of season eight? Can you 2147 01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:21.680 believe that? 2148 01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:23.800 Wow? 2149 01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:26.119 Right? I mean because he was just this this heavy 2150 01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:28.560 presence in the early part of the show, and you think, 2151 01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:30.720 like when the fortresses around, he's going to be around more. 2152 01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:33.720 He's actually kind of around less. So it's it's interesting, Uh, 2153 01:41:33.720 --> 01:41:35.199 Clark went talk to him in the caves a lot 2154 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:36.920 more than the we thought. 2155 01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:40.479 In the actual fortress. Well, I think the caves other 2156 01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:42.840 aspect of the show that the show did kind of forget. 2157 01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:46.399 Like sometimes they'd mentioned Naman and sig or whatever. 2158 01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:48.840 Look, we have we have pictures, but. 2159 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.159 It was like the second that the fortress was there, 2160 01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:53.359 they just forgot the caves existed. 2161 01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:55.880 Which is fine, I guess, like I'm like, I never 2162 01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:57.760 really care for the caves, but it did. I did 2163 01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:00.039 like that the show had its own identity sort of 2164 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:00.439 with those. 2165 01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:05.199 So it's like out Oliver's apartment disappeared by the time 2166 01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:08.520 Justin Hartley was a serious regular amazing timing, but they 2167 01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:10.000 kept going there. In season seven. 2168 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:13.239 Yeah, Olivers out of town. But let's let's take your 2169 01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:15.439 mom here, Quille he or whatever. You know. Joel and 2170 01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:17.079 Clark are kind of going back and forth here and 2171 01:42:17.399 --> 01:42:19.359 the fortress kind of like gets mad at Clark. It's 2172 01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:20.760 like shaking it, which is you know, you don't see 2173 01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:22.359 that very often which is kind of cool, and of 2174 01:42:22.359 --> 01:42:23.840 Colu's like, why did you send me back if you 2175 01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:25.520 don't want me to be a hero, And Joel's like, 2176 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:27.600 it was not my decision to give you back your life. 2177 01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:31.279 And Clark's like, hmm, because Garrel's done this before. She's 2178 01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:33.119 resurrected Clark in the past, so that makes sense why 2179 01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:33.880 Clark would think that. 2180 01:42:34.640 --> 01:42:37.479 The last time he resurrected Clark, Jonathan ended up dying. 2181 01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:41.560 Yeah, so He's like, you might not see me as 2182 01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:43.239 a hero, but the rest of the world does, and 2183 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:46.039 I decided my fate. It's actually I agree, like if 2184 01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:50.319 they had kept like the the quote unquote evil Joerell 2185 01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:52.520 from like the first couple of seasons, right, yeah, that 2186 01:42:52.520 --> 01:42:55.119 would have been interesting. But like Superman returns happened, I think, 2187 01:42:55.159 --> 01:42:56.399 and they had to kind of a lie and thing. 2188 01:42:56.479 --> 01:42:58.479 So so who knows, but it is interesting here, But 2189 01:42:58.520 --> 01:42:59.960 I do think it's a little it's a step two 2190 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:02.359 our withdrawal to be like, you will never be your 2191 01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:04.399 savior and he turns off the fortress. 2192 01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:08.199 Well, I feel like the early episodes of season ten 2193 01:43:08.319 --> 01:43:11.800 especially had a lot of people crapping on Clark about 2194 01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:17.000 how he hasn't met his destiny. I mean Karat yeah, 2195 01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:21.720 Kara in super the Superol episode especially, but other people 2196 01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:24.119 and it's like, okay, yeah, we get it. He's not 2197 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:28.000 there yet. But I liked that he Clark was finally 2198 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:33.600 thinking or speaking proactively in the Fortresses draw right here. 2199 01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:36.199 Yeah, yeah, he instead of just sitting there and taking it, 2200 01:43:36.279 --> 01:43:39.800 He's like at least defending himself. Right, So we kept 2201 01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:41.880 the commercial. We come back. Hey, we get some great 2202 01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:47.399 shots of Justin Harley's beat up naked body here, but 2203 01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:51.159 the suicide squad lets him go, and there's a there's 2204 01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:54.880 a there's a prisoner swap and as the classic I 2205 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:56.720 have a bag on your head, you have a bag 2206 01:43:56.760 --> 01:43:59.640 on my head whatever. I like. They pass in the 2207 01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:04.880 parking lot and Chloe is now the prisoner of the 2208 01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:08.479 suicide squad. It's so interesting because like in a different season, 2209 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.159 when like Green Arrow was the guest star, they would 2210 01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:13.800 have captured Chloe and all it would have been the 2211 01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:15.399 switch and like, oh, there's where Green Arrow is the 2212 01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:17.359 season right, He's at super max prison. Like that movie 2213 01:44:17.399 --> 01:44:19.079 they were gonna make it made well. 2214 01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:22.359 I remember watching the scene. I thought the song choice 2215 01:44:22.399 --> 01:44:24.880 was really good, especially as it led to the next 2216 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.680 scene as well. I don't remember what it's called, but. 2217 01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:32.239 It's vast One More Day, and I was like, this 2218 01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:34.479 sounds really familiar. And you know why, Craig, you know 2219 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:36.800 why it sounds from there because they played this at 2220 01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:41.119 the end of Veritas. What I know, this is very 2221 01:44:41.159 --> 01:44:44.439 unlike Smallvele to reuse a song unless it's everything by 2222 01:44:44.479 --> 01:44:46.079 Lifehouse exactly. 2223 01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:50.800 No, I did not realize that, but like I will admit, 2224 01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:54.199 even though I was not a Schlally person, I was 2225 01:44:54.359 --> 01:44:56.520 very emotional watching that scene of the switch. 2226 01:44:56.880 --> 01:45:00.479 Yeah. Yeah, they play it well, yeah, they pla Alice 2227 01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:02.680 and Max in the in the car. In her facial expression, 2228 01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:04.920 it's like, okay, like you're you're selling you on this 2229 01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:10.520 eve when I'm like, I don't necessarily like this, you're selling. Oh, 2230 01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:13.520 there it is. And we're not even talking about real 2231 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:18.199 life folks. We're talking about small of them. But yeah, 2232 01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:22.640 we we have this this montage of of having all 2233 01:45:22.680 --> 01:45:25.720 the characters in and so you know, Oliver and Chloe 2234 01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:28.399 have this prisoner exchange and then we see we see 2235 01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:32.119 little Alexander playing with playing with knights at the Luther 2236 01:45:32.239 --> 01:45:35.279 mansion and let and tests is like gives him a 2237 01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:38.399 glass of milk. So it's like this weird like motherly 2238 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:41.159 thing and like, so this is you know, this is 2239 01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:44.319 before we find out how they're related, right, So I 2240 01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:46.560 remember it might have been on the crypton site forums 2241 01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:48.800 because krypton site still exists. Go check it out, y'all. 2242 01:45:49.039 --> 01:45:51.239 But I wasn't posting at this point, but I was lurking. 2243 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:55.199 Somebody was like, yeah, Lex is gonna f and then 2244 01:45:55.319 --> 01:46:00.159 kill Tests, and I was like, well interesting. 2245 01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:05.800 But I I don't remember how I found out, but 2246 01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:11.920 I knew about Tests being a Luther before season ten started. 2247 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:13.600 Okay, so that means they really did figure it out 2248 01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:14.000 before then. 2249 01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:16.760 But there was a point where I saw Cassidy and 2250 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:18.720 kind of made like a joke like what if she's 2251 01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:22.560 a Luther? And she got a little squirmy you know, yeah, yeah, 2252 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:24.680 she didn't confirm anything, but she was squirmy. 2253 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:27.319 Well it makes she's the red hair, Like it totally 2254 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:29.359 tracks like like of all these like you know, you 2255 01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:31.600 mentioned like really who she might have been and absolutely 2256 01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:34.640 just like this works so well and it justifies her 2257 01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:37.000 being in all this. And also Lena Luther exists in 2258 01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:39.239 the comics, so like she is a character, like they 2259 01:46:39.239 --> 01:46:44.560 didn't anyway, Jenkins kid perfect Now that that timeline I 2260 01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:48.680 don't think makes any sense. That's another conversation for another day. 2261 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:51.079 But it's it's. 2262 01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:55.000 Interesting, blinking Pamela Jenkins. 2263 01:46:54.279 --> 01:46:58.199 Before right, Yes, yeah, but it's you're right. This gives 2264 01:46:58.239 --> 01:47:00.000 Tests something to do other than like I'm trying to 2265 01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:03.079 save the world because of global warm or whatever whatever. 2266 01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:05.600 Her high like we need the alien's help to save 2267 01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:07.920 the plan. I'm like, what do you like? This is? 2268 01:47:08.399 --> 01:47:11.319 This is a lot more tangible, right it is? And 2269 01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:14.239 you're like, oh man, this kid's gonna grow into lex 2270 01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:15.640 Like that's really a cool idea. 2271 01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:18.720 But the song really fit there too, because I was saying, 2272 01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:23.239 it's almost like Tests was seeking a family, and so 2273 01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:27.079 she gets to spend another day with family, and then 2274 01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:30.479 somebody else gets to spend some time with some family. 2275 01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:35.399 Okay, so Clark is he got a letter from from Lois. 2276 01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:38.680 Lois decides to go to Africa, and I did kind 2277 01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:40.600 of laugh at this shot of Lois in Africa, like, oh, guys, 2278 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:42.239 we got to show Lois in Africa. What do we do? 2279 01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:43.840 Like I don't know, like just have her stand on 2280 01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:47.439 top of like a sand dune. 2281 01:47:49.079 --> 01:47:50.079 It was a beautiful shot. 2282 01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:54.840 Though it is, and obviously they explore and explain that 2283 01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:56.600 a lot further in the next episode. That's what that's for. 2284 01:47:56.680 --> 01:47:58.399 But it is kind of like she got saved by Clark, 2285 01:47:58.520 --> 01:48:00.880 but she decides to go to Africa and way, and 2286 01:48:01.039 --> 01:48:03.079 you know, they kind of dove into that next episode. 2287 01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:06.800 But because she just leaves Clark kind of a Dear 2288 01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:09.039 John letter. Clark getting these Dear John letters and videos 2289 01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:11.760 from all these women in his life. Kobe didn't even 2290 01:48:11.800 --> 01:48:13.600 leave him anything. So at least at least a lot 2291 01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:16.119 of Lois had the decency to tell him something. But 2292 01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:19.199 it's like Clark, yeah, decided to go to Africa after all, 2293 01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:22.760 I see you, Lois. And it's very simple, right, He's 2294 01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:25.520 holding this letter and he's like emotionally like kind of 2295 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.520 struck by it, right, and he just drops it and 2296 01:48:28.520 --> 01:48:31.319 it kind of like floats away and we see a figure. Okay, 2297 01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:34.199 we see a figure out by a fence, right, and 2298 01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:36.840 Clark's like, what is that? He starts getting closer and 2299 01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:41.720 it's Jonathan Kent. It's Ghost Dat Craig. He's here now 2300 01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:47.600 getting John Schneider, a nett o'tool John Glover, Michael Rosenbaum, right, 2301 01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:51.720 great to kind of like make the series come full circle. 2302 01:48:52.119 --> 01:48:56.279 Am Jones christ Away now. 2303 01:48:57.640 --> 01:49:05.359 Eric Johnson, h Jen snackles. So I am gonna spin 2304 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:07.760 this entire season, I think trying to figure out how 2305 01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:11.119 I feel about Ghost Dad Greg, because this scene is fantastic. 2306 01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:16.000 Smallville is the blueprint right now bvs. Madmisonervant has a 2307 01:49:16.039 --> 01:49:18.199 very similar scene to this, and this scene is much better, 2308 01:49:18.199 --> 01:49:20.000 and we'll leave it at that, right but I'll just 2309 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:21.880 say Smallvel is the blueprint. 2310 01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:24.960 Well to me, and I know I've talked about this 2311 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:28.199 before on your show. I lost my dad when I 2312 01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:31.920 was nineteen, pretty much the same age Clark was in Reckoning, 2313 01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:37.199 and I definitely remember just times when I was younger thinking, 2314 01:49:37.239 --> 01:49:39.399 oh I wish I could spend another day with my dad. 2315 01:49:40.079 --> 01:49:44.439 So to see Clark in that kind of moment, like 2316 01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:47.439 it was like that was like, you know, everybody's gone, 2317 01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:52.000 Lois is gone, Martha's gone. You know, nobody's there, and 2318 01:49:52.119 --> 01:49:56.840 it's like, what does Clark need? And especially after that 2319 01:49:56.920 --> 01:49:59.880 interaction with Jirell, he probably needed a father figure to 2320 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:04.159 speak to. I don't know how like if Clark just 2321 01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:08.000 imagined the whole thing and then the notion that they 2322 01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:11.600 deal with ghost at again in the season. Like, I mean, 2323 01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:13.960 he does say a very memorable line in the finale. 2324 01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:15.960 Indeed he does, Indeed he does. 2325 01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:22.199 But like I guess it's just it's the speech that 2326 01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:25.159 Clark needed. Now, whether or not he imagined it or what, 2327 01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:27.880 we will never know. Like, I don't think it's dark 2328 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:29.720 cybe manipulating him because he's tall. 2329 01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:31.760 No, this is positive stuff. 2330 01:50:31.840 --> 01:50:35.439 This is positive stuff exactly. So I never quite figured 2331 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:35.840 that out. 2332 01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:38.239 Well here's and it's one of those things where it's 2333 01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:41.439 like the message and the moment and the emotions outweigh 2334 01:50:41.479 --> 01:50:44.319 any sort of story mechanics, right, so whatever, right, I mean, 2335 01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:46.640 what I'm not gonna say is he a real ghost? 2336 01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:48.039 Like it doesn't matter. Right. 2337 01:50:48.119 --> 01:50:51.720 Well, also, apparently people like grow longer hair and get 2338 01:50:51.760 --> 01:50:52.359 a little bit of weight. 2339 01:50:52.399 --> 01:50:57.199 And you know what's funny is John Start. He was 2340 01:50:57.199 --> 01:50:59.239 at the Smallble season ten panel, right, and he came 2341 01:50:59.279 --> 01:51:02.399 out and he wearing like, and I know it's just 2342 01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:04.119 a black pants and a white shirt, but he's wearing 2343 01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:06.439 like the Jonathan Kent outfit he was in when he died. 2344 01:51:06.479 --> 01:51:09.760 I'm like, are you cosplaying as yourself here? I don't know. 2345 01:51:11.960 --> 01:51:12.479 That's great. 2346 01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:15.840 It's a fantastic scene. And again, we've all had people 2347 01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:17.439 in our lives we love this one more day with it, right, 2348 01:51:17.479 --> 01:51:21.239 So the song is very appropriate, yes, and in isolation 2349 01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:24.479 it really works. And of course then you can like, oh, 2350 01:51:24.479 --> 01:51:26.279 by the way, I look out for dark Side. I'm like, okay, 2351 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:28.880 throw it in that. You really didn't need that seasoned 2352 01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:31.199 specific plot thing, but I understand why it's there. But 2353 01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:33.039 he's like, he's man, Dad, Jarrell thinks some of a 2354 01:51:33.079 --> 01:51:35.119 failures since when you care Jarrell thinks, I'm like, yeah, 2355 01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:39.720 exactly right. He expresses like, Dad, I burned a building down, 2356 01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:42.079 you know, like I'm glad He like, is guilty about that, 2357 01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:45.319 because that's one of the most insane things Smallvi'll ever did, 2358 01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:49.399 was have Clark burned down. Like that's what made No 2359 01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:55.319 Bailey from Superman homepage stop reviewing the show, right right, 2360 01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:57.079 that's true, but that was like to him, that was 2361 01:51:57.079 --> 01:51:58.199 like the ultimate. 2362 01:51:57.960 --> 01:52:00.760 You know, well, I remember I did not like that scene, 2363 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:02.800 and I was very vocal about it on Twitter, and 2364 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:06.520 I think the cloest fans really came after me that 2365 01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:09.880 week because they they just thought that I was implying 2366 01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:12.640 that Clark was out of character for the whole episode. Really, 2367 01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:16.119 speaking of that moment being offensive. 2368 01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:18.119 Whenever I revisit that episode, it's so out of nowhere 2369 01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:20.800 because I'm like, oh, it's the fun. It's like this 2370 01:52:20.880 --> 01:52:23.600 fun Valentine's Day episode, right, and then it's like, oh, 2371 01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:25.560 and then nine to eleven happens at the end, I'm 2372 01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:26.960 like whoa, so like. 2373 01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:29.399 Yeah, and I mean, you know, people can make the 2374 01:52:29.600 --> 01:52:34.199 you know, hand with oh the buildings were empty, but still, 2375 01:52:34.279 --> 01:52:35.640 but the imagery. 2376 01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:36.960 It's the imagery is the problem. 2377 01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:39.159 The imagery and Superman doing that. 2378 01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:41.880 I did not like two towers in a downtown deenviartment. 2379 01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:45.159 So I'm glad that Clark mentions this to his dad. 2380 01:52:45.239 --> 01:52:46.800 Here to that's the instaying you know what, I don't 2381 01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.079 even a little too far, Like they use that and 2382 01:52:49.119 --> 01:52:50.560 say that's the darkness, and it is hard here to 2383 01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:53.279 they're talking about okay, good, good good, and then it's 2384 01:52:53.359 --> 01:52:55.119 just solid stuff, you know, Like even in the first season, 2385 01:52:55.159 --> 01:52:57.640 he's like, sure, son work keeps him mant honest, like 2386 01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:00.680 he's so in character, and he's he's hyping up and 2387 01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:03.520 he's like, Dad, I'm sorry, I'm not who you thought 2388 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:05.079 it was gonna be. He's like, no, Son, even better 2389 01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:06.359 and like I don't know, like it's it's a great 2390 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:08.760 scene and and you really feel the emotion Tom is. 2391 01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:10.840 Tom is great in it. John is great in it. 2392 01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:11.479 It's a great scene. 2393 01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:15.520 I think, emotional and outside it was emotional just doing 2394 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:16.119 a scene. 2395 01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:18.880 Together yet because he hadn't been. I'm so glad this exists, Craig, 2396 01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:21.319 because like that that scene and void is fantastic. It's 2397 01:53:21.399 --> 01:53:23.520 very similar to this actually right in the Afterlife, Right, 2398 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:26.520 but then John Shaddon comes back and like it's Brainiac 2399 01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:28.840 and I'm like, hmmm, like I would hate if that 2400 01:53:28.920 --> 01:53:30.600 was the last time we saw Jonathan Kann as like 2401 01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:32.520 a brainiac mirage. 2402 01:53:32.760 --> 01:53:37.840 Right. I think it was a good time to bring 2403 01:53:37.880 --> 01:53:41.920 Schneider back because any negative feelings he had had about 2404 01:53:41.960 --> 01:53:45.399 his ending on the show had probably mostly flown out 2405 01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:47.800 the door. So it was just like a moment of 2406 01:53:47.840 --> 01:53:51.520 appreciation for both of them, and I thought that was fantastic. 2407 01:53:52.600 --> 01:53:54.960 Yeah, And to your point, I think had had they 2408 01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:59.239 left Ghost Dad here as the one off, maybe that 2409 01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:02.079 would have been beat. Now. I know he's responsible for 2410 01:54:02.119 --> 01:54:04.159 the name of my podcast, so maybe it's for the 2411 01:54:04.159 --> 01:54:05.840 best he came back. It's just you know what, you 2412 01:54:05.840 --> 01:54:08.239 know what breaks ghost Dad. For me, Craig is when 2413 01:54:08.239 --> 01:54:11.279 he's at the wedding and like a different outfit, all 2414 01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:16.560 cleaned up, you know, uh huh, and then he's like 2415 01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:19.720 hugging them together at the end, like there's like physical reintact. 2416 01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:25.760 I don't know, man, you know, I know it would 2417 01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:28.760 have been the hugest cheat and they shouldn't have done it. 2418 01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:31.520 But maybe they should have brought him over like they 2419 01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:32.840 brought over the other Lionel. 2420 01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:40.560 Yeah. Earth just becomes this Jonathan yeah. 2421 01:54:39.079 --> 01:54:47.319 Yeah, or something. But I'm sure Perry White wouldn't like that. 2422 01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:49.880 Part of what he's still in Jonathan's I know what, 2423 01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:51.520 I know what it feels like to kill. He's like 2424 01:54:51.560 --> 01:54:53.680 I failed, and you know he's like, we walk in 2425 01:54:53.720 --> 01:54:55.760 front of trials, Son, and it's all the measurer, man 2426 01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:58.960 is you know how you react and face of those trials. 2427 01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:01.119 And again it's just the the moral messages the Cants 2428 01:55:01.159 --> 01:55:04.960 have always you know, passed down the Clark and really 2429 01:55:05.039 --> 01:55:06.960 in this kind of this scene kind of absolves Clark 2430 01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:09.760 from the guilt that he had because he always blamed himself. 2431 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:11.960 As we saw that previously on Smallville. At the end 2432 01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:14.399 of last season, he blames himself for his father's death right, 2433 01:55:14.439 --> 01:55:17.359 because him reversing time and Jonathan dying and then him 2434 01:55:17.359 --> 01:55:20.079 having the powers and the heart right and this conversation, 2435 01:55:20.439 --> 01:55:23.760 Jonathan's like, no man like I. Jonathan says, no, I 2436 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:25.399 let the rage bell up inside me. I wanted to 2437 01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:26.960 kill another man and he killed me instead. So it 2438 01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:28.720 kind of absolves Clark of that guilt, which I think 2439 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:31.199 is a very important thing to happen for this version 2440 01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:31.640 of the character. 2441 01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:34.880 I agree, this is a really well thought out episode. 2442 01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:37.640 I mean, we talked about how like so many threads 2443 01:55:37.680 --> 01:55:42.039 are being pulled together, but it really did have that 2444 01:55:42.239 --> 01:55:46.119 vibe of you're about to get on this roller coaster ride, 2445 01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:52.520 now get yourself seated in your right spot. And yeah, 2446 01:55:52.640 --> 01:55:53.520 it was great. 2447 01:55:54.800 --> 01:55:57.680 And Clark he doubts himself at the end, and Jonathan says, 2448 01:55:57.720 --> 01:55:59.439 you know, I have faith in your son. That's the 2449 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.760 last word from ghost dat Clark wilks again. So it's right, 2450 01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:06.840 and he's gone. He was never there. So that's not 2451 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:09.640 the end of the episode. Because we cut to the 2452 01:56:10.199 --> 01:56:14.279 Crow's nest as we started referring to it as at 2453 01:56:14.279 --> 01:56:17.359 the end of season nine, and we see the smoke 2454 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:20.800 start to form and it blows these leaves off the 2455 01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:25.119 roof and we see this body form and it's dark Side, 2456 01:56:25.159 --> 01:56:31.119 Oh my god, with with blue eyes for some reason, Craig, 2457 01:56:31.159 --> 01:56:34.239 which they realized this mistake and on the previously ons 2458 01:56:34.319 --> 01:56:36.119 later in the season they changed his eyes to red. 2459 01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:41.960 From this, they do the Milton Fine thing here with 2460 01:56:42.199 --> 01:56:44.239 with dark Side, where it's like, oh yeah, by the way, 2461 01:56:44.279 --> 01:56:47.520 here's the villain of the season. This one off shot 2462 01:56:47.600 --> 01:56:50.680 reaches forms and we'll continue to talk about smoke Side 2463 01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:54.359 as the as the season progresses, but yeah, they're establishing 2464 01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:56.199 dark Side, which is huge. I mean, the first live 2465 01:56:56.239 --> 01:56:57.920 action dark Side if you want to call him my 2466 01:56:58.039 --> 01:57:01.720 action and there you go, that's your villain. He's the 2467 01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:05.760 darkness that the Jonathan and Rorel have both warned Clark about. 2468 01:57:05.800 --> 01:57:07.880 But we don't leave the season on that. We don't 2469 01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:09.600 leave the episode on that note, Craig. We go to 2470 01:57:09.640 --> 01:57:14.800 the fortress uh and the Blur theme plays and we 2471 01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:19.479 see the Superman Returns costume in an ice pillar waiting 2472 01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:20.600 waiting there. 2473 01:57:21.039 --> 01:57:21.880 Beautiful shot. 2474 01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:25.680 It's on the cover of the Blu Ray series set. 2475 01:57:29.199 --> 01:57:30.640 What what false advertising? 2476 01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:32.199 That is? No? 2477 01:57:32.359 --> 01:57:36.560 I just love that shot because it's like he is 2478 01:57:36.760 --> 01:57:37.880 We're gonna be get episodes. 2479 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:43.239 Maybe, Yeah, it's just it is false advertising, though, is 2480 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:46.760 it not to be on the complete series Blu Ray. 2481 01:57:48.720 --> 01:57:51.199 No more than some of the other like even the 2482 01:57:51.439 --> 01:57:55.439 complete series DVD I think had that on there. Yeah. 2483 01:57:55.560 --> 01:57:57.439 Well also like the Funk co Pop one of the 2484 01:57:57.479 --> 01:58:00.960 funk copops is the last shot of the show. Yeah, 2485 01:58:01.680 --> 01:58:03.880 not good, but that's what I'm saying that. Some saying 2486 01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:06.399 early like do you tease this in the first episode 2487 01:58:06.439 --> 01:58:07.520 with the Superman costumes? 2488 01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:07.680 Here? 2489 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:10.760 Like exhiding times, exciting times? 2490 01:58:18.960 --> 01:58:20.000 What up. 2491 01:58:25.079 --> 01:58:38.920 A very street Echanti? They said, he funded. 2492 01:58:40.359 --> 01:58:51.720 Very so what are you mad? Supermand it? 2493 01:58:53.760 --> 01:58:55.840 What if my soulmate comes along and I'm too blind 2494 01:58:55.880 --> 01:58:56.199 to see it. 2495 01:58:56.520 --> 01:58:58.960 Just follow your heart and you'll always do the right thing. 2496 01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:05.880 Wanting a magic past my way? 2497 01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:07.279 Word needs your quark? 2498 01:59:07.800 --> 01:59:08.720 What about what we need? 2499 01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:10.079 Man? Need it? 2500 01:59:11.159 --> 01:59:12.840 O sandcakes? 2501 01:59:13.800 --> 01:59:15.039 This he said? 2502 01:59:16.079 --> 01:59:16.560 Who are you? 2503 01:59:17.039 --> 01:59:17.399 Lois? 2504 01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:19.000 Lois? 2505 01:59:19.079 --> 01:59:19.800 Line three? 2506 01:59:25.039 --> 01:59:30.800 Hello, it's just tw. 2507 01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:36.159 And we know you're more than just a hero. 2508 01:59:40.920 --> 01:59:41.680 They're superhero. 2509 01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:54.199 Give me a nerd with glasses any day of the week. 2510 02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:11.039 Something dark is coming. 2511 02:00:11.279 --> 02:00:13.439 You're gonna be testing like you have never been tested. 2512 02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:18.399 For three s. 2513 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:21.680 I know my destiny. 2514 02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:55.479 Smallville season premiere next Friday at eight seventh Central. Smallville 2515 02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:59.039 Seatson premiere Friday, September twenty fourth on the c W. 2516 02:01:04.359 --> 02:01:07.079 New One, Blue ray and DVD. This is where it's 2517 02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:10.880 all been leading you become. That's the greatest say it 2518 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:11.560 more than. 2519 02:01:11.479 --> 02:01:14.399 Two hours of special features the final season of Small 2520 02:01:14.439 --> 02:01:16.800 Dale on Blue ray and DVD November twenty ninth, and 2521 02:01:17.000 --> 02:01:18.800 on the Complete Series collection on DVD. 2522 02:01:21.079 --> 02:01:24.279 Lazarus got an eight point six out of ten on IMDb, 2523 02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:27.039 and Douglas Trumbull from a Superman homepage gave it a 2524 02:01:27.239 --> 02:01:30.600 five out of five. So, Craig, I ask you, on 2525 02:01:30.680 --> 02:01:35.319 the letter grade scale, what would you give Lazarus a plus? 2526 02:01:35.640 --> 02:01:36.880 I freaking loved it. 2527 02:01:37.119 --> 02:01:39.479 Wow, Okay, we're really one of your favorite episodes of 2528 02:01:39.520 --> 02:01:39.960 the series. 2529 02:01:40.319 --> 02:01:43.319 It really, it just was like, it just makes me happy. 2530 02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:47.119 I mean, even if there are a few things that 2531 02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:50.840 make no sense, I can overlook that just because it 2532 02:01:50.920 --> 02:01:51.560 made me happy. 2533 02:01:52.640 --> 02:01:55.399 Fair enough, fair enough. I I'm going to give it 2534 02:01:55.439 --> 02:01:59.000 an A minus for me. It's in the A range, okay, 2535 02:01:59.399 --> 02:02:01.359 but there's like a few of these things. I'm like, Eh, 2536 02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.720 if Rose Obama's in this that changes, it might earn 2537 02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:06.479 that a flush. 2538 02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:09.800 Oh good, point. Yeah I can. 2539 02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:15.439 Yeah, but that's gonna be an a plus for you 2540 02:02:15.680 --> 02:02:18.279 and a minus for me. Let's go to the tally board. 2541 02:02:18.560 --> 02:02:21.840 Just a couple of things this episode amazing technicol or 2542 02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:24.880 Kryptonite plus one that brings us to nineteen because we 2543 02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:29.279 see the blue Kryptonite blade. I'm not counting Clark losing 2544 02:02:29.359 --> 02:02:31.399 his powers because he already lost his powers from the 2545 02:02:31.439 --> 02:02:34.680 blue crypt Knite in the last episode, so that carries over. 2546 02:02:35.640 --> 02:02:37.960 Also Tests, she doesn't wake up in a hospital. She 2547 02:02:38.039 --> 02:02:40.600 wakes up in like a lab, so that doesn't count 2548 02:02:40.640 --> 02:02:44.479 either for a hospital visit, at least to me. But 2549 02:02:44.640 --> 02:02:46.199 we do have a shirtless over plus one, so that 2550 02:02:46.279 --> 02:02:50.479 brings us to thirteen. And finally, a Bechdel tests fail 2551 02:02:51.479 --> 02:02:55.479 because Lois, Chloe, and Tests don't talk to each other 2552 02:02:55.800 --> 02:02:56.520 in this episode. 2553 02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:04.119 Oh that's weird, but Craig, that's going to do it. 2554 02:03:04.199 --> 02:03:08.279 We have completed our discussion on the final season premiere, 2555 02:03:08.359 --> 02:03:09.279 small though, how do you feel? 2556 02:03:10.840 --> 02:03:12.560 I feel good about it, but I'm kind of sad 2557 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:14.239 we don't have any more season premiere's coming. 2558 02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:18.680 Yeah, that's it. Only we only had ten, so I 2559 02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:19.359 know we need. 2560 02:03:19.439 --> 02:03:22.039 We need a couple more. I don't know like I 2561 02:03:22.439 --> 02:03:24.920 just I had a lot of fun revisiting the feeling 2562 02:03:25.039 --> 02:03:28.439 of what it was like to watch that season premiere, 2563 02:03:28.520 --> 02:03:30.159 because it was a very exciting time. 2564 02:03:30.439 --> 02:03:32.760 It was a very special time just going into it 2565 02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:36.439 knowing this was the final season and all the speculation, 2566 02:03:36.600 --> 02:03:38.199 like they're clearly as we've been talk about the whole time, 2567 02:03:38.319 --> 02:03:40.520 they're putting things in place, you know, to set up 2568 02:03:40.560 --> 02:03:42.960 and continue throughout the season. Just just the fact that 2569 02:03:43.039 --> 02:03:45.560 Lex is back in any form of any capacity is 2570 02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:48.159 extremely exciting. And knowing that he's going to be this 2571 02:03:48.680 --> 02:03:50.239 you know, we we don't know what form is gonna take. 2572 02:03:50.279 --> 02:03:52.560 They didn't even know credit right exactly. 2573 02:03:53.800 --> 02:03:56.279 But also I think this, you know, this episode does 2574 02:03:56.399 --> 02:04:00.520 show how much the series had evolved at the same 2575 02:04:00.600 --> 02:04:04.520 time looking back. I mean obviously another probably a plus 2576 02:04:04.600 --> 02:04:07.600 episode of the season for me was Homecoming, which did 2577 02:04:07.680 --> 02:04:11.880 similar thing. It just celebrated the best of the series 2578 02:04:12.159 --> 02:04:16.720 and it just made it rewarding. I'm very glad to 2579 02:04:16.760 --> 02:04:18.079 have watched this episode again. 2580 02:04:18.680 --> 02:04:22.560 So yeah, absolutely, well, we could not do a final 2581 02:04:22.640 --> 02:04:24.760 season of Smallville without talking to you, Craig. So if 2582 02:04:24.800 --> 02:04:27.279 people want to find you and your work out there online, 2583 02:04:27.279 --> 02:04:27.960 where can they find you? 2584 02:04:28.640 --> 02:04:32.399 Crypt on site still exists, so cryptonsite dot com. I 2585 02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:36.960 sometimes update the Instagram at crypton site Official because crypt 2586 02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:38.760 on site was taken at some point and I can't 2587 02:04:38.800 --> 02:04:43.479 register it. I don't know why. But yeah, I'm still 2588 02:04:43.520 --> 02:04:47.600 wortying about Superman stuff, including a new movie, and trying 2589 02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:50.720 to find some like stuff from my archives that I 2590 02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:53.039 can share. Again. That's been doing really well on the 2591 02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:57.600 site recently. I recently did an article about the different 2592 02:04:57.680 --> 02:05:00.640 attempts on spinning off the Justice League things like that 2593 02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:03.199 if you want to check out the site. So there's 2594 02:05:03.199 --> 02:05:04.560 still new content coming. 2595 02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:08.520 Absolutely, and then k s I TV you know Superman 2596 02:05:08.640 --> 02:05:10.840 Lowis coverage and all those other shows, right, Yeah, so. 2597 02:05:11.119 --> 02:05:12.880 Yeah, I've got k s I TV, which is my 2598 02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:15.840 general TV news site. Hopefully we'll get some more comic 2599 02:05:15.880 --> 02:05:19.680 book TV or you know, stuff to talk about. And 2600 02:05:19.760 --> 02:05:21.840 yes we have the final season Superman Lowes Is coming up. 2601 02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:24.760 Absolutely. Yeah. I mean it's it's really an into an 2602 02:05:24.800 --> 02:05:26.880 era for as far as comic television goes. At least, 2603 02:05:26.920 --> 02:05:28.359 you know, on the broadcast. 2604 02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:31.279 We had too much at one point. 2605 02:05:32.399 --> 02:05:33.479 I will not disagree. 2606 02:05:33.960 --> 02:05:36.560 You know, it's like we don't need like I think 2607 02:05:36.600 --> 02:05:39.079 part of what makes Smallville special is it was like 2608 02:05:39.159 --> 02:05:41.880 the only one of its kind, the only show even 2609 02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:45.000 remotely like it was Heroes and that was only around 2610 02:05:45.039 --> 02:05:46.159 for four years of that run. 2611 02:05:46.640 --> 02:05:50.600 Yeah, which is much like Superman Returns. Heroes came and 2612 02:05:50.680 --> 02:05:53.439 went yeah, blip blip on the radar when Smallville was 2613 02:05:53.479 --> 02:05:53.800 still there. 2614 02:05:53.800 --> 02:05:56.720 I mean by the time Smallville was over, they were 2615 02:05:56.720 --> 02:05:58.640 already planning Man of Steel. I think they might have 2616 02:05:58.680 --> 02:05:59.399 already been filmed. 2617 02:06:00.520 --> 02:06:03.159 Yeah, maybe maybe that maybe by the end of that 2618 02:06:03.199 --> 02:06:05.800 calendar year perhaps, Yeah, which is just just like. 2619 02:06:06.079 --> 02:06:08.399 I'm gonna go from Lex Luthor to being Jackson the 2620 02:06:08.520 --> 02:06:08.960 next day. 2621 02:06:09.560 --> 02:06:12.600 Didn't even bother to grow his hair back, but exactly. 2622 02:06:12.760 --> 02:06:14.760 But you got a shout shout out too. And though 2623 02:06:14.800 --> 02:06:17.079 that he created Cydborg, he played Lex and he wanted 2624 02:06:17.119 --> 02:06:20.159 to play jacksonar So Superman. He's got a Superman credentials 2625 02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:20.479 for sure. 2626 02:06:21.439 --> 02:06:22.000 Absolutely. 2627 02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:27.880 Well, everybody go check out crypton site and case se TV. 2628 02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:30.920 You know, I always post your image galleries reviews, you know, 2629 02:06:31.479 --> 02:06:33.640 trying to keep trying to keep keep onside alive, you know, 2630 02:06:34.039 --> 02:06:36.399 from people when they're revisiting Smavele, revisit all that stuff 2631 02:06:36.439 --> 02:06:38.319 and just get caught up in the hype, you know, 2632 02:06:38.680 --> 02:06:40.720 of each of those episodes and just reliving because those 2633 02:06:40.760 --> 02:06:42.600 are special times, you know. You know all the I 2634 02:06:42.720 --> 02:06:44.720 love all the photo galleries you would post and the 2635 02:06:44.760 --> 02:06:46.159 comments you would make on them, like those are so 2636 02:06:46.239 --> 02:06:48.720 fun just to click through, and you know those captions 2637 02:06:48.800 --> 02:06:50.079 you come up with good stuff. 2638 02:06:50.119 --> 02:06:52.159 Man, Oh, that was so much fun. Great. I mean, 2639 02:06:52.239 --> 02:06:55.239 not as much fun as doing April Fooles obviously, but 2640 02:06:56.000 --> 02:06:58.279 the captions were fun. I feel like some of the 2641 02:06:58.359 --> 02:07:02.399 captions were probably meaner than I would do now. Yeah, 2642 02:07:02.880 --> 02:07:06.600 a little inappropriate. Sometimes would not go there. But you know, 2643 02:07:06.680 --> 02:07:10.199 it's a different time. I was younger. Uh, the internet 2644 02:07:10.319 --> 02:07:13.439 was different, you know. I was recently looking at the 2645 02:07:13.479 --> 02:07:18.600 web archive at old crypton site spoilers, specifically like around 2646 02:07:18.680 --> 02:07:25.119 season five, and I was almost disappointed in myself and 2647 02:07:25.239 --> 02:07:28.159 how I would give away almost an entire episode on 2648 02:07:28.199 --> 02:07:29.199 that spoiler's page. 2649 02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:32.640 Man, that's that I had to stop. I'm reading it, 2650 02:07:32.720 --> 02:07:34.520 you spoiler's page, because I was like, I want to 2651 02:07:34.560 --> 02:07:35.239 be surprised. 2652 02:07:37.479 --> 02:07:39.279 I think the only reason I got away with it 2653 02:07:39.479 --> 02:07:42.840 is because I remember Miles saying back then, He's like, oh, 2654 02:07:43.439 --> 02:07:45.479 if it's on the internet, it's only a small part 2655 02:07:45.520 --> 02:07:46.760 of the audience who knows. 2656 02:07:46.600 --> 02:07:48.840 What's Oh, how little he knew? 2657 02:07:49.399 --> 02:07:53.079 Yeah, how little do? But like like I am reading this, 2658 02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:55.520 like I can't believe that I posted. I remember I 2659 02:07:55.520 --> 02:07:59.039 think it was even Christmas Day. I remember posting, Oh, 2660 02:07:59.159 --> 02:08:02.600 Chloe's gonna find out in Pariah And it's like what, Yeah, 2661 02:08:02.720 --> 02:08:05.479 I would never get away with that now, No, Like 2662 02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:08.159 Warner Brothers tould be calling me like take that down. 2663 02:08:09.119 --> 02:08:11.359 Although, and we talked about it as we wrap up here, right, 2664 02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:13.319 I do want to shout out. We talked about you 2665 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:15.079 know you were on Arctic when we covered Arctic back 2666 02:08:15.119 --> 02:08:19.239 in season seven. Yeah, that c W official description was 2667 02:08:19.319 --> 02:08:21.279 worse than anything you ever could have put on your 2668 02:08:21.279 --> 02:08:25.560 spoiler's page, crag. If you recall, it was like Kara 2669 02:08:25.640 --> 02:08:28.680 who was secretly brainiac, Revell's Clark's secret to Lex and 2670 02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:30.560 Lex and Clark infront of each other in the fortress 2671 02:08:30.600 --> 02:08:32.720 of Solid Dude on the season finale. You know small. 2672 02:08:34.560 --> 02:08:37.840 I feel like their Vampire Diarus descriptions are similar and 2673 02:08:37.880 --> 02:08:40.119 that they would like detail, like every plot point, and 2674 02:08:40.159 --> 02:08:43.000 it's like you know, dial a Paclo and then now 2675 02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:46.760 like the descriptions pretty much say nothing. It's like, oh, 2676 02:08:47.279 --> 02:08:50.399 Superman in Lois find out something about Bruno Mannheim. 2677 02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:54.720 I love reading those on the always on Superman Lowis 2678 02:08:54.800 --> 02:08:58.079 and laughing at how just just worthless. 2679 02:08:58.239 --> 02:09:02.479 Those s different is you know, you're talking about the 2680 02:09:02.640 --> 02:09:06.720 Smallville photo galleries. We would sometimes get like twenty photos 2681 02:09:06.760 --> 02:09:09.760 per episode, and now it's the modern air of the CW, 2682 02:09:10.399 --> 02:09:11.479 it's like three or four. 2683 02:09:11.880 --> 02:09:14.920 Yeah, it's like, usually like what episode is this from? 2684 02:09:15.079 --> 02:09:17.119 From Tyler's standing there in his costume, there's not really 2685 02:09:17.119 --> 02:09:18.560 a lot of distinguishing stuff. 2686 02:09:18.279 --> 02:09:21.199 But yeah, and I feel like the final season, the Flash, 2687 02:09:22.239 --> 02:09:24.960 I don't even think they released photos for the Flash finale. 2688 02:09:25.079 --> 02:09:28.840 It could be wrong. And that's the finaley. Oh remember, 2689 02:09:29.319 --> 02:09:33.039 I know it was a mistake, but uh, I feel 2690 02:09:33.119 --> 02:09:39.279 like there were photos of the costume like an episode 2691 02:09:39.359 --> 02:09:43.359 before we saw it, like before the finale. Oh maybe yeah, 2692 02:09:43.560 --> 02:09:45.199 and it was in a photo gallery and it's like, 2693 02:09:45.239 --> 02:09:46.039 wait a minute now. 2694 02:09:47.600 --> 02:09:50.119 Yeah, I don't recall, but sometimes sometimes that would whatever 2695 02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:51.960 they released, they were like, oh, it's some kind of 2696 02:09:51.960 --> 02:09:52.520 the wrong folder. 2697 02:09:52.520 --> 02:09:55.359 I do remember another thing that happened back then. I'd 2698 02:09:55.439 --> 02:09:58.239 never posted on crypton site. I didn't allow it, but 2699 02:09:58.479 --> 02:10:02.960 somebody found photos of Clark holding Jonathan's body from Reckoning 2700 02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:06.600 deleted scene and that leaked like a couple of weeks 2701 02:10:06.640 --> 02:10:07.680 before the episode aired. 2702 02:10:07.840 --> 02:10:08.800 Oh wows. 2703 02:10:09.560 --> 02:10:11.760 And you know, I didn't post I as a good boy, 2704 02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:15.439 but they were out there somewhere. But it was easier 2705 02:10:15.520 --> 02:10:16.840 to contain stuff back then. 2706 02:10:17.159 --> 02:10:20.000 Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, there's no social media the way 2707 02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:22.720 it is now. But yeah, well, Craig Man, thanks so 2708 02:10:22.840 --> 02:10:25.520 much for being on this episode and being on so 2709 02:10:25.640 --> 02:10:27.680 many over the course of this podcast and being part 2710 02:10:27.720 --> 02:10:30.319 of the Smallville journey. And I'm glad that we've become 2711 02:10:30.359 --> 02:10:32.960 friends over this and uh, it's been a great journey man. 2712 02:10:33.399 --> 02:10:37.960 Sometime Yeah, maybe not again. You know, you've got you 2713 02:10:38.119 --> 02:10:40.439 You're always holding onto everything. I'm sure you're gonna hold 2714 02:10:40.479 --> 02:10:42.680 on to something. Oh you're gonna do Heroes, right. 2715 02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:45.960 Everybody wants me to, have been teasing it for years. 2716 02:10:46.039 --> 02:10:49.439 I do always hold on to heroes, and I will 2717 02:10:49.800 --> 02:10:50.640 definitely want to. 2718 02:10:50.640 --> 02:10:53.560 Be on all right, I will. I feel like I'm 2719 02:10:53.600 --> 02:10:58.199 obligated to at this point. You are, ye, so, but 2720 02:10:58.600 --> 02:11:01.520 I'll say right now, it's it's not gonna be like 2721 02:11:02.000 --> 02:11:04.560 always on the Smubble's not gonna end, and then always 2722 02:11:04.600 --> 02:11:06.720 on Heroes is not going to start the next week. Okay, 2723 02:11:06.760 --> 02:11:07.359 you know what I'm saying. 2724 02:11:08.680 --> 02:11:11.960 Well, I just also just wanted to point out your 2725 02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:16.640 dedication is appreciated. You've been doing this for overt well, 2726 02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:18.560 I'm sure you've done over two hundred episodes if you 2727 02:11:18.640 --> 02:11:19.840 count all the Superman. 2728 02:11:19.560 --> 02:11:22.000 Special Yeah, with all the specials. 2729 02:11:22.920 --> 02:11:26.680 You know, like you've stuck with this whole journey, through 2730 02:11:26.800 --> 02:11:33.520 thick and thin, through Angeles and thirst and everything in between. 2731 02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:38.239 And I think that's amazing. So congratulations and I can't 2732 02:11:38.239 --> 02:11:39.960 wait to hear the rest of the season. 2733 02:11:40.039 --> 02:11:40.239 For me. 2734 02:11:40.760 --> 02:11:43.800 Absolutely, Thank you so much, Greg, and as far as 2735 02:11:43.800 --> 02:11:47.600 everybody else goes, thanks for listening, Keep on listening, and 2736 02:11:47.840 --> 02:12:13.760 Always hold on the Smallville. 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