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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in. It's Thursday. It's trade deadline Thursday.

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Brian Leonard Tokyo Brand, and I think that's why we

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have no games. That must be a new thing. Three games,

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but we're gonna give you the full the full rub

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on each game, so your free pick Major League Baseball

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Show on the wager Talk YouTube channel. We'll cover all

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three games today as well as whatever you guys want

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to talk about. If you have betting related questions just

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in general, we're happy to cover it. If you want

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to hear our opinion on some of the trades and

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how it might affect some teams going forward, we'll cover

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it hop in the chat. Just drop your questions and

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we'll get to as many as possible within the hour.

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I was just joking off air. My second screen today

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is not working. But if there was ever a day

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for it to happen, it's today because I pretty much

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memorize my memorized all three games already, so I know

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what we're dealing with. I don't even have to really

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look at the lines. So we'll get let's get it

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started right. We have one day game. It's raised Yankees.

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Ryan McMahon, his first Yankees moment last night, walking it

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off in a five to four win. Now they go

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to the Bronx for a day game. Brian Leonard, how

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are you seeing this one raise Yankees?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I talked yesterday about with the trade deadline and

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what's gonna happens, it's hard to make strong plays at

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this time, and I gave it. I gave four plays

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out to my clients. My top play was the free

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play that I used and the play that I used

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on the parlay yesterday, and that was Miami. That worked

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out well. But I did have Tampa Bay as a

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smaller play, and I thought it was a pretty good

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shape after they made that come back late. But I

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think that this was the first time a team as

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ever I was falling behind in like the ninth inning,

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the tenth inning, and the eleventh inning, and they won.

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And that was the Yankees yesterday, So you would think

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it'd be a good spot here for Tampa Bay. They've

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got the better picture on the mound, obviously, with against Strawman.

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Strawman comes in he's about a one ten favorite nine

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to the under in this game. When you take a

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look at Pepio's's standings, he's six to night other season

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three point four two e are a three point eight

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eight expected one point one point five whip. His numbers

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are pretty good, but if you look at his stackcast

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numbers other than extension, he's six with three and his

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extension is seventy fourth percentile. Everything else is pretty mediocre.

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He's not bad at anything. He's not good, really good

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at anything. He's more of a just a normal pitcher.

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But he does have six pitches. He throws his four seemer.

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He does throw too much, in my opinion, forty third

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percent forty three percent usage, and he's basically at league

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average ninety five miles an hour for a right handed pitcher.

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He's got a curve for center and cutter, but he

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doesn't use any of them more than ten percent of

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the time. I think he could incorporate some of those

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and have a little bit better success because his barrel

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rates on the twenty six percentile, and that's probably the

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worst out of all of his numbers. And if you

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can barrel him up and you know the foreseamer is coming,

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then you can have some success in that regard. Marcus Strowman,

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you know he had a lot, He's taken a lot

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of shit the last few years. He may not be

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the greatest teammate in the world, and he thinks a

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lot about himself, but he puts in the innings for you.

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This year unfortunately, six point nine ERA, five point five

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to five expected, Yet he's two and two on the season.

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His whip is horrendous one point five nine. You know,

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his career whip is one point two eight the last

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two years one point five nine, one point four to seven.

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That's really where he's fallen off. The good thing he does.

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He's a ground ball pitcher eighty second percent TEL and

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that is the only thing he is good at. If

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you look at his below ten percent TOLE numbers. Looking

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at expected ERA, we're looking at fastball velocity, average exit

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of velocity, fifth percentage, strikeout percentage, hard hit percentage, and extension.

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He's only five foot seven. He's usually you find guys

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that are small like that that don't last in the majors.

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He's placed eleven seasons and he's actually two games over

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five hundred three point seven eighty RA. He's had. Really

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you got admire a guy from a talent standpoint. He's

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not the most talented. He's the smaller guy and I

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don't know about you guys, but most of my life

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I've dealt with a lot of smaller guys and they've

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got the heart of champions. They've been picked on all

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their lives. He's another one like it, and he gets

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the best out of his information. That said, I really

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don't like Stroman here. I prefer Tampa Bay with the

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Pepio side, especially after the way they lost yesterday. I

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talked about that in one of the games yesterday where

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a team blows a game, I believe it was the

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Reds blow game, and then the next day I kind

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of root for them a little bit more, and I

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think they come out with a little bit of a

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chip on their shoulder, especially in this one, because they

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have not played well the last couple of days. We

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only got three games going. I'm gonna get mine out

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of the way right now. I'm gonna play Tampa Bay

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basically about minus one oh five I think is about

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the league average right now. So Tampa Bay minus one

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five here is going to be my parlay piece. I

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am probably going to pass today for anything. I may

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not even put out a free play, although we won

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six straight free players. It's just such a small card,

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and as we saw yesterday, a lot of movement of players,

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a lot of stuff going on. If you followed the

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Minnesota Twins situation, that's a team that's looking right now

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that we could fade pretty much for a while. They

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don't play today, so I can't get into that one,

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but we'll stop with that. We'll just go with pepiol

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with Tampa Bay and try to get you something on

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all three of these games.

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Speaker 3: You can't really argue with that. Pepio's got good numbers

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against these batters, and he's by far the better pitcher.

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Had a great start in his last one against Cincinnati,

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but before that he got tagged by the Orioles, so

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he's a little up and down. You can always rely

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on him to basically give you six innings and give

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up maybe two or three runs. Yankees, I thought they

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were really crushing the ball until I crunched the numbers,

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and they're batting sixteen out of thirty in current form.

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But the Rays are batting twenty four, So neither team's

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actually ripping the cover off the ball here. I give

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the Rays the advantage with the bullpen by quite a

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big margin, and I give them the advantage in starting

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pitching by quite a big margin. I guess my lean

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here would be to take the Rais team total over,

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but I just checked it and it's four and a half,

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So I don't like four and a half. It's a

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little high. Stroman Stroman, Yeah, he's he's got a really

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obscene whip and ere his numbers are pretty bad, but

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if you look at his games in his last four starts,

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he hasn't really been that terrible. I also would lean

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to Tampa Bay over in the first five, but it's

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two and a half and I don't think they're gonna

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get three runs right off the bats, so nothing to

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play here. But I would like to take a Tampa

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Bay team total over if it was lower, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: I want to pull collins comment up because it's an

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interesting one and I think I have an opinion on

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on on what he said. So he says, the only

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thing that worries me about the Rays does Yandi or

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Brandon Laura anyone else get traded during the game. The

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Rays are a team. They're one of the teams that

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I think could sell, and it's not gonna make a

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difference to like them being in the mix or not.

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The reason I say that is they've got a lot

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of guys that are the same or similar, Meaning if

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you look at the roster at Durham right now, there's

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a lot of guys that are kind of interchangeable with

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most of their big league rosters. So like, if you've

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watched what they've done this year, it's like, you know,

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they've had like Palacios and de Luca, like battling injuries

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and trying to get back in the mix. Chandler Simpson,

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they have him up for a while, then he's down,

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then he's back up, and it kind of you know,

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they've got some good players at Durham that you haven't

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even got a chance yet, Like Bob Seymour, I think

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Tristan Peters is having a really good season down there.

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He's been down there. So it's like I kind of

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look at the Rays as a team. You know, they're

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three games out of a wild card spot right now.

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So yes, they're two to eight in their last ten

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and they may sell because it's the right thing to

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do from a long term standpoint, but this team is

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not out of it by any means, and so like

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that's where that that's where I would think that I

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wouldn't really worry about that, because now I do think

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it's worth bringing up the fact that I kind of

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said this in regards to the Diamondbacks last week and

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that has gone completely off the rails, at least in

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the short term. But I still look at this Raise

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team and say, Okay, they could sell, and it doesn't

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make them any less sort of in the mix. The

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reason that's important, and the reason it's an important thing

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to bring up, is because the market will see them sell,

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and they'll and the market will bail on them. Right,

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So this might not be as much for today as

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that in the coming days. If you see a team

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like the Rays trade some guys, it does not mean

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that they're not still like trying to trying to win

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a wild card spot this year, or it's good, or

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the effort's going to be any less different. In this case,

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it means they've got a lot of the same guys

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and so it's not going to matter if they trade

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guys and look long term, which is something the Rays

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always do. The Rays are always looking at next year.

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It does not matter if they're in it. There was teams,

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They're always looking at next year. It's how they it's

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how they're able to stay competitive year to year with

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the payroll in the market that they have. So I

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wouldn't put much stock into that at all. And I'm

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with Brian like, I'm not gonna I don't think I'll

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bet this game. But I can't really argue with the

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Rays being the right side here. I just I like

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their makeup a little bit better with Pepio as opposed

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to Strom. So that's kind of how I'm seeing this one.

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Go ahead, Brian.

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Speaker 2: The good point and I was going to make it,

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you made it is Tampa Bay every year goes into

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the trade deadline trying to improve their team for the future. Uh,

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they do it the correct way if you ask me.

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These teams that send out a lot of you look

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look at the metch yesterday to get the pitcher from

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San Francisco. I mean they sent away a lot of good,

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three good players, and you don't know what's gonna happen

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just for a guy who's going to pitch what two

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months for them, And that is that's not the way

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you know the match could end up winning the World Series.

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It's going to help their team this year, but in

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the future it's gonna hurt them. Tampa Bay doesn't do that.

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They worry about the future, not the present, and I

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like that about them. That's why they're consistent. Every year

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they're considering their payroll and nobody goes to see the

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games in Tampa and they got the worst stadium in baseball.

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They've been able to be competitive each and every year.

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Management's great, and you find teams like that and the Brewers.

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Cleveland's done that for the most part. So that's the

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way you're supposed to play it, if you ask me,

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those are the teams that are good long term. And

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they may end up trading these guys today and that

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will hurt today's game. I have no doubt if they

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trade away those guys today. You know, even if they

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bring up the guys from the Miners, it's their first

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game back and we first game up there, and we

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have seen so many guys fail the first time up.

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It wouldn't make a difference today. But in the long run,

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I think it'll help them.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about that Mets trade for a minute,

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because I have an opinion there and I feel like

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I have a little bit of insight. So like I

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was at the Syracuse Mets game like two weeks ago,

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and my father in law's company was throwing out the

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first pitch that day, so we got to go on

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the field and we actually my nine year old nephew

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got to throw out the first pitch. Like I was jealous,

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very jealous of that. But the reason I bring this

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up is I struck up a conversation with the with

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one of the kind of the promotion guys that's there

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every day, and we were talking about some of the

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Mets younger players, and I read through the lines of

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what he was saying. It sounds like Gilbert did not

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have I don't think they were really thrilled with his

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overall attitude. Sounded like he was a little bit immature.

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And so I kind of think the Mets and Cohen

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and just like where they're at. And the reason I

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bring this up is this should tell you, like what

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the Mets mindset is this year. This they expect to

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win the World Series, Like they think like if they

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don't win the World Series or they're not in the

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World Series, I think they would deem this an unsuccessful season.

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So you look at the Mets in their organization, the

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pitching that they have, the fact that they have Sproke,

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they have Nolan MacLean in double A, they have Jonah Tong,

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who's probably better than all of them. I just don't

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think they give a shit. I think they were like Tidwell,

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Yeah whatever, you're all right, see ya, Gilbert. We don't

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like the attitude, see you. We'll take a bullpen guy

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and maybe we overpaid, but we also just like got

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you know, we got rid of some like trying to

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have to force Tidwell in there, and we got rid

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of a guy that maybe doesn't have the attitude that

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we want, and we got a great relieve room return.

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So I really think that was the Mets mindset there.

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And I think the Mets are their NLCS or better

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this year in my opinion. Yeah, and if you guys

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want to, I mean, I don't you know, I'm trying

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to throughout the show to all.

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Speaker 3: Oh, go ahead, you're talking about getting Hellsley from the

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Cardinals or are you talking about no?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they made so Yeah, the Hellsley thing is

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a good thing to bring up too. But they traded Brian.

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What was the actual trade they traded for Rogers, and

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it was like they Gilbert Gilbert Tidwell and yeah, but

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that's the point is they just went, they got healthy,

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they went and got another reliever. Like, if you don't

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think the Mets are like competing for a World Series

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this year, you're out of your mind. And that's where

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it's like. But there's some people that are still going

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to have them undervalued in the market. So the other

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thing I want to do with this show, since we

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only have three games, will probably be here for an hour,

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is try to give you some insight into where I

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think certain teams could go in the second half. Listen,

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we were on the Mariners stuff months ago. I see

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people betting the Mariners now. The time to bet the

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Mariners was three months ago when I came on the

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show and said, hey, they've got a million pieces they

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can trade. What did they do? They got they got

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Geno Suarez, they got Josh Naylor. The time to do

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that was a while ago. Right now, I think you

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could grab the Mets before it's cool, before it's the

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cool thing to do, because what happens when they have

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a huge August and now all of a sudden, there's

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no value on doing that. So that's that's really why

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I wanted to bring it up.

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Speaker 3: They picked up Soto as well, which is not a

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bad ACTIVI They've they've added three relievers, but I think

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Rogers is the best one that they added. Yeah. I've

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never been a fan of Diaz, but man, you look

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how he's performing lately, really well, closing games out at

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You know, they got Juan Soto probably one of the best,

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you know, pure hitters in the game. Not the best,

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but he's up there and uh not really performing like

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he should be. Uh. I think he performed better with

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the Padres than he is this year. But I think

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he'll catch on. He's a momentum kind of guy. And

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when when this team starts getting a little momentum, how's

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their division shaping out? You know, that's the question. Do

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you think they can hold on?

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Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, they talk about that one. How about TV?

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How about Johan Duran? How about the Phillies doing what

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they do every year?

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Speaker 2: At the headline, I didn't think Minnesota got nearly the

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value that we were expecting out of that trade.

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Speaker 1: They should have demanded justin Crawford in my opinion, but

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they should have gotten Crawford. Yeah, I mean, Mick Abel

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has the ability to be a very good big league starter.

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But I agree, Brian, I thought they would have gotten

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Able and another MLB like guy that was kind of

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close to being like MLB position player. I think they

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got a catcher that was like, he's a little bit

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further down the line. He's probably an A ball or

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something like that. So yeah, that was that. That was interesting.

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I thought they would have got a little bit more

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and how and props to the Phillies they were able

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to go out and get Johann Duran and not give

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up their best position player prospect in Crossford Crawford, So

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there's yeah, well they didn't give up nothing Mick Gabel.

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Mick Gabel is a major league starter at this point.

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But I think they had you know, Andrew Paynter is

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back from injury, he's been down there. I think the

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Phillies just looked at their team and said, one of

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these guys is expendable. The Twins probably wanted Able because

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he's a lefty, and and they might he might have

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just he's probably the more big league ready at this point.

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He's proven he can do it at the big league level.

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A little bit. So yeah, it's gonna be that'll be

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a great division race. But I still think I still

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think the Mets are better, a better team. And Brian Leonard,

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is there a on paper? Is there a better bullpen

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now than the Mets? Like really like on paper?

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Speaker 2: Pretty pretty nice? You know, I'm a bigger Budo fan

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than I listened to a lot of what I looked

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on Twitter. A lot of Mets fans handed Budo. But

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he's not having the greatest year or not, but that

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guy's been really good for them. Yeah, and yeah, to

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give him up I think hurts a little bit. We'll

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see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. We'll see what happens the

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rest of the day. The one cool thing I guess

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that Major League Baseball did was kind of clear out

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the middle portion of today. So it's like, you know,

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the the all the focus is going to be on

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the trades since I believe the deadline ends around like

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six o'clock before the too late games starts, so we've

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got basically got Yankees raised. Then it's gonna be like

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three hours of uncut trade deadline coverage and then we'll

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play the two night games. So let's go to the

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first of the two night games.

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Speaker 2: I think they did. Plus. You know, if you're a

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baseball fan, you're gonna say it's because of the trade deadline.

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If you're a football fan, they're gonna say, oh, there's

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only three games today because the Hall of Fame game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, but they're putting they're putting two of

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them up against the Hall game. Yes, So I think

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I really think it's because I think they're trying to

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avoid as many awkward scenarios as possible, like players getting

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pulled from games and stuff like that. I think that

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that's why. So they give you a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of team during the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think they you know, that was the

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that was the reason that that they did that like this,

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but I'm glad they gave us. I'm glad they didn't

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just totally shut the day out. They gave us a

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couple of games to talk about, to bet on. So

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the next one we'll go to is in Cincinnati. Cincinnati

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moved a little bit yesterday, so we've got Braves, Reds,

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Brian Leonard. How do you do you think Cincinnati improved

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their chances by going out and getting to Brian Hayes yesterday.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not a fan base though, great defensive third baseman,

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and I've seen breakdowns where if they've taken his uh

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fly balls and put it over Cincinnati, he will have

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fifty seven more home runs on the season. Uh. But

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I've never liked him. He's a bad hi and I

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don't think that makes much difference. He's a better defensive

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player that's going to help him out there, but I've

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never been much of a fan. We're looking at Carlos Carrasco,

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a new member of the Atlanta Braves, going against Abbott,

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Abbot being the lefty today, Abbott and Cincinnati about a

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one seventy one sixty five favorite. You're looking at a

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total of nine and a half to the under minus

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one twenty. Carrasco on the season five point nine to one, ERA,

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four point nine to four, expected, one point five to three.

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Whip love Carlos Carrasco as a person, do not like

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Carlos Carrasco is a pitcher at this age. Unfortunately, he's

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thrown thirty two innings this year, not very much last

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year one hundred and three year before ninety coming back

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from cancer. But wish him the best all the time.

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Everything I've heard. He's a guy, but his number is

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not very good. His walk percent sixty ninth percentile, extension

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seventy fourth percentile, everything else is in the blue barrel

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rate sixth percentile, Every Jackson velocity ninth, fastball tenth, expect

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to Benny Everge seventh. He is. He's just not the

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pitcher he was at one point. He does throw five

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pitches and he mixes him up, which is what I like.

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You know, he doesn't have that four seamer any longer

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ninety one point five, which is about three and a

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half miles an hour less than a normal right hander.

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He's not going to beat you out of that, but

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he only throws at twenty two percent of the time.

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I like that every pitch he throws nine percent or more.

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He's getting the best out of what he has. Unfortunately,

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he does not have a lot at this point. Andrew

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Abbot's been a guy who we've talked about this all

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season long. He's a guy that's played a little much

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better in what his number state two point oh ninety

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ra three point two oh expect. He did get hit

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a little bit since the All Star Game, but one

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point oh seven a whip, he's a It amazes me.

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And this this is the best hitting home run parking baseball.

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And he's a terrible ground ball rate. He's nine percent

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tile in ground ball percentage, and yet he's able to

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survive there. In fact, the Reds overall have a lot

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of guys and they just traded for Luttel, and it

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tells another one of these guys that's a flyball pitcher.

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Is something changed. They know something we don't know, because

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they're using these flyball pitchers in Cincinnati and they're surviving,

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and they're pitching very well and thriving in some regards.

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His hard hit rate ninety first percentile average ex velocity's

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seventy nine percent tiles. He's a good pitcher, throws five

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different pitches. Is four seamer the most though, forty eight percent,

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and it's only ninety two point five percent. He needs

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to cut back on that four steamer a little bit

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to have more success. But hey, what can I say?

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The guy's got a two point zero nine three point

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two well expected. He has been one of those guys

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that just defies metrics and this season he's been extremely good.

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For myself on this game, I don't want Atlanta and

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I don't want Carrasco. Unfortunately, I would have to go Cincinnati.

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But am I willing to pay the one sixty five

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one seventy Probably not, So I'll be sitting this one out.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be my parlay leg. I'm going

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to take the reds. And Brian, you said two things

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that are true but also kind of make you take

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a double take.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You said that this is a home run part. It

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kind of is. And if you look at Abbott's stats

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at home in fifty six innings, He's got a one

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nine to three ERA, it just blows your mind. How

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is he doing this. I've never been a huge fan

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of his, but but man, you got to give him

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some credit how he's pitching this year. And we've talked

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about this in previous shows that a pitcher's record really

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is not a reflection of how good he is. But

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when you have more than ten starts and you're eight

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and one, it doesn't necessarily say you're a great picture,

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but it does say that you're keeping your team in

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every single game and your bullpen is closing things out

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for you. So I think you know pitcher's win loss

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record is more a reflection of the lineup in the bullpen,

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because just an innings eater can have a really good

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win loss record. So if you look at how he

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does and the other thing you said that kind of

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maybe do double think is his numbers are better than

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he actually is. But his numbers are great, So it's like, yeah,

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but you're right. I agree with you. So, man, I

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just find it hard to believe that Abbot's this good.

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But Carrasco, like you said, heart of a Lion, the

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guy is just a trooper. How can you dislikes someone

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who comes back from cancer and is pitching at the

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highest level on Earth. Heart of a Lion. But I

475
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:14,039
think he's just age and he's kind of lost his stuff.

476
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:19,839
I think the Reds just looking at straight rankings, I

477
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,839
have the lineups basically dead even I have the bullpens

478
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,480
both not very good but starting pitching. Huge advantage for

479
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,440
the Reds here. Like you said, the line is a

480
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,799
little steep for Cincinnati. But you know, you can tell

481
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,799
if a team if they're in it to win it

482
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,119
by how they're acting yesterday and today. And the Reds,

483
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,000
although I don't think they're acquisitions like Hayes, and Littel.

484
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,359
I don't think they're like top notch acquisitions. They certainly

485
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,640
are showing their players that they're in it to win it,

486
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,240
and players feed off that a little bit, so I

487
00:25:57,319 --> 00:25:59,119
think I think they'll get a little boost from this.

488
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,119
Lettel is one of those guys who I think is

489
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,200
basically an inning yer. He's not a great picture by

490
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,839
any means. He's good, he's not bad. He's good. But yeah,

491
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,759
players look at how the team is reacting in these

492
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,480
two days, and they're saying, damn, they're on our side,

493
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,319
they got our backs, let's go out and crush it.

494
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,839
So you know these guys are human. I like the

495
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,519
Reds here because it's because it's gonna be a three

496
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,839
leg parlay. I don't mind the minus one sixty. I

497
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,559
don't know if I would put it out straight as

498
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:30,519
a client play. I might do it as a minus

499
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:35,160
one as a client play today, but we'll see definitely

500
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:35,960
my parlay leg.

501
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: So a couple things here. The one thing that concerns

502
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,440
me a little bit is with the Reds is that

503
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,319
Carrasco's throwing the ball as well as he's had in

504
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,759
like the last two years. Over the last month, his

505
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,319
whipen in Triple A over the last month is zero

506
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,640
point ninety three. He I've watched his last two stars.

507
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,759
Dude just looks like a different guy. I don't know

508
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,599
what it is. Now. He did face Worcester and he

509
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,480
did face Rochester to lineups that I'm not particularly fond of,

510
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,759
so maybe maybe it was just you know, two poor

511
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,240
lineups at that point. But he's I mean, this has

512
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:14,119
been the whole month. I mean the last three He's

513
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,799
three straight starts at Triple A where he's gone seven innings,

514
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,559
all quality starts. I think he's given up six run

515
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:24,680
totals six runs total over their three starts. So say

516
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,720
what you want about it being Triple A or whatever.

517
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,640
He's thrown the ball excellent over the last month. Now,

518
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,920
does that mean he's gonna go stroll into Great American

519
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,319
Ballpark and throw out great today. No, not necessarily, But

520
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,839
it also doesn't mean he's not gonna like he very

521
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,240
well could come out, be a little bit juiced up

522
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,319
to like on his first start with the new team,

523
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,599
come out and give a pretty good effort. So that's

524
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,000
I guess the only reason that you know, that's the

525
00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:52,720
main reason that sort of scared me off the reds Now.

526
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,079
I want to talk about the Braves because this would

527
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,400
be my pro Reds comment here. The Braves are a

528
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,839
team that's out of it, but they're gonna be playing

529
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,440
with veteran guys, right, So it's like that is a

530
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:09,519
huge concern because the Braves are in this weird spot

531
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:14,440
where they're there, their season is over, but they're keeping

532
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,880
the team together because that's just the way they want

533
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,240
to play it. I think they're going to bring in

534
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:21,519
I think Snicker is gonna be gone after this year.

535
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,359
I think they're going to bring in some new management

536
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,640
and they're gonna say, let's go at it again with

537
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:28,440
the with the with the same squad, the Austin Riley's

538
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,440
the Akuna Olsen. So whereas you have these bad teams

539
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,039
that are out of it by the break and start

540
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:38,039
to sell, and then usually it's guys really hungry to,

541
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:40,240
you know, to get a chance to play. Look at

542
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,279
the White Sox right now, right, guys that are just

543
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,359
hungry to get their first taste of big league action.

544
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,480
And you'll see that a couple of times with other

545
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,240
teams over the next couple of months. The Braves are

546
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,920
like veteran guys that are accustomed to playing in the playoffs,

547
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,039
So how is this team gonna like get off the

548
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,960
mat to give an effort over the next two months.

549
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,519
To me, that makes them a very big feed because

550
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,039
I just don't know how you get guys like Olsin

551
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,480
and Riley, Like, how do you get those guys interested

552
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,519
on a forty five and sixty two team over the

553
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,400
next two months. That's my concern, So that that would

554
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,400
be the reason I don't necessarily want a part of

555
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,599
the breaks here, go ahead, Brian.

556
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've been talking about them all the way

557
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,079
back before the All Star break regarding that, and now

558
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:28,799
they've got their best hit of at Conya back on

559
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:33,079
the IL. I will say, in regards to Carrasco, most

560
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,319
of the time when guys go down to the minors,

561
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,880
they're doing it, come start coming off of an injury,

562
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,599
and they don't care what the results are. They just

563
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,319
want to be able to get out there and get healthy.

564
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,400
Carrasco's got something to prove. He's probably got a breath

565
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,599
of fresh air that he's finally back in the majors again.

566
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,039
You know, it's it's like you're coming to the end

567
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,319
of your career, you're going to take advantage of that.

568
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,000
So you know he's going to come out and give

569
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,039
everything he's got. And so his numbers in the minors,

570
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:05,319
you got to take those and realize that he's out

571
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:07,240
there on a purpose and he wants to get himself

572
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,200
back to the majors and uh so that's why he's

573
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,799
looked good there. I hope he does well in the majors.

574
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:17,079
But pitching pitching for the Braves, he's gonna have to

575
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,720
pitcher very wall to get to get some wins, because,

576
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:22,680
as you said, you know, the Braves are a team

577
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,880
came into the season expecting to do very well. They

578
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,920
have it, and uh yeah, it's it's a tough, tough

579
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,799
way to end the season for Braves fans.

580
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: Do you guys think the way that, uh, the way

581
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,160
that Abbott's pitching, do you do you think nine and

582
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,759
a half is high in this game? Because it seems

583
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,559
high to me, But I don't know why it's nine

584
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:43,000
and a half.

585
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:47,079
Speaker 1: Well, TB. I'll tell you what if if Carrasco comes

586
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,240
out and like fire six seven innings of two three

587
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:52,359
run ball, I don't think it's gonna go over If

588
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:57,000
that's like that, you know, I think that's a little Yeah,

589
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,559
I think it's a little bit inflated based on Carrasco's

590
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,200
big lead sort of numbers this year. If he turns

591
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,039
in a quality start, I would I would be very

592
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,119
confident in the game staying under And one more point

593
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,920
about the Braves, just because we have the time, they

594
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,240
have no one at tripa A as far as like hitters.

595
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,680
They have some pitching. They've got some pitching that could

596
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,599
could become pitching like in the future. I don't think

597
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,799
much of it is like really truly big league ready

598
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,160
at this point. But they have no one. So it's

599
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,440
not like they're gonna be you know, calling up a

600
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,680
guy that's probably gonna like hit fifth and like give

601
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,279
them like a good I mean, they have no one.

602
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,839
What you see is what you get right now with

603
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,920
the Braves. So like this is what I guess I

604
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,400
keep harping on. This Braves team that you see right

605
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,759
now struggling is the Braves team that you're probably gonna

606
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:48,039
get the rest of the year. So like, this isn't

607
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:49,759
the team that I think you start to bet on

608
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,519
now because it's like the market's gone on them. They

609
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:57,039
just they just don't have anyone that's gonna, in my opinion,

610
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:58,920
that's gonna be very hungry to get up there. It's

611
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,960
just it's gonna be a law two months for the briefs.

612
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:03,759
Let's put it that way. Just really really how I

613
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:06,599
see it? Gee Hurt in the chat. Yeah, you're one

614
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,039
hundred percent right about this. MLB trade deadline is easily

615
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:13,839
the best trade deadline in sports. It's not remotely close. Yeah,

616
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,279
what what else? I mean, what what? What? What could

617
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:19,319
you even compare to it? The way team it's it's

618
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:19,960
it's ocky.

619
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: Hockey is good. Uh, the NFL has never been a

620
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,480
team anywhere The trade deadline makes a louch of a difference.

621
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:28,680
But hockey, hockey is important.

622
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point, Brian. I'm not a I'm

623
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,240
not a huge hockey guy, so I wouldn't. I didn't

624
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,920
know that it was similar to MLB. But the point

625
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,319
is it's gonna be a great It's gonna be a

626
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:45,119
very interesting day, you know, you know that MLB. I

627
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,240
wonder if MLB is like talking to a couple of

628
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,160
these teams that have an off day today and it's like, hey,

629
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,240
can you hold off on like the announcement until like

630
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:58,200
four thirty PM, so we can get the view because

631
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,920
we need we need, so everyone's gonna tune in from

632
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,799
like four to six as it's like you know what

633
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,119
I mean, Like, do you think they're like, hey, can

634
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,799
we can we wait till the end to announce announce

635
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:11,559
the blockbuster so we can get all the eyes over.

636
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,480
I don't know. I I wouldn't put it past Manford

637
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,359
to do something like that, but it's not something in

638
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,440
the mL but he's going to do.

639
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean MLB marketing is not the most savvy

640
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,519
out of the four big leagues.

641
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: Very true, if you're right, if anyone would botch, if

642
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,720
anyone would botch that opportunity, actually it would be majored exactly.

643
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:35,839
Speaker 3: Anyone's gonna botch.

644
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,079
Speaker 1: I got I gotta throw this up there. San Francisco

645
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,799
Sports Talk radio has rumored Devers will be traded today.

646
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,880
Is that true? Is there like merit to that? That's crazy?

647
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:49,799
Like that would be.

648
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:54,119
Speaker 3: That would be amazing because actually when they acquired him,

649
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,640
they were on a roll and they were in the

650
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,720
running for something and now well absolutely not.

651
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:06,759
Speaker 1: Here's here's the I mean that is Sean says, Sean says,

652
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:10,079
no way, DEVS isn't being traded. I my initial gut says,

653
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:14,079
no way. There's no There's absolutely no way. But I

654
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,239
do think the interesting thing here is they gave up

655
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,920
nothing to get him. Really, they really didn't give up

656
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,119
much to get him at all. So I think there

657
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,840
if they who knows what the internal thing is, if

658
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,360
if he maybe hasn't been a fit, I don't think

659
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,480
that they wouldn't. Like, they literally gave up very little

660
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,039
to get him, So if they could flip him for something,

661
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,440
I wouldn't. It doesn't sound that crazy, but that is

662
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,800
a she hurt says, Oh my god, please give me

663
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,760
another DEVS trade. I need it like I need air

664
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,119
to breathe. That would certainly be interesting. But Sean makes

665
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,760
a really good point here, like who wants that? Who

666
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,679
wants that contract? Right? Like they kind of that. I

667
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,519
guess that's like they took on his contract, so who's

668
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:58,440
gonna want that for him? At this point?

669
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: It's a good kind of turned him into a heel

670
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:04,840
over there as soon as he arrived. He's not performing

671
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,360
like they want. I've heard that their media over there

672
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,320
is just destroying him.

673
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess he I guess Will Clark, very very famous,

674
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:19,559
giant MLB great, just like an all time great, reached

675
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:21,599
out to Devers and like really wanted to work with

676
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,920
him at first base, and I think he no showed

677
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
like the first sort of session or something, and and

678
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,719
that that pissed off a lot of San Francisco people,

679
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,519
because yeah, I.

680
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: Mean, there are guys in the league that are jerks basically,

681
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,800
I mean, for better for lack of a better term,

682
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,159
and there always have been. And he's definitely from the

683
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:45,360
stories I've heard, he's definitely not a likable teammate for sure,

684
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,239
and turning down standing up Will Clark in San Francisco

685
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,039
is not going to get you a lot of a

686
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,039
lot of sympathy in that city for sure. Will Clark's

687
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:00,199
like a hero of there.

688
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,079
Speaker 1: I So then I then I read that he didn't

689
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,440
want to He didn't want to like work out The

690
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,400
Red Sox were in town that week, and he didn't

691
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,679
really want to like be out there working in front

692
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,519
of his old team. But I don't know it just

693
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,480
it was a bad look in San Francisco media. I

694
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:18,760
know that at the time, So, like, I wouldn't be

695
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,480
surprised if if someone in the chat was like, there's

696
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,599
zero truth the stuff that comes out of San Francisco

697
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:26,119
sports media. Maybe they're just maybe they're just trying to

698
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:30,360
stir the pot. But it's interesting. It's very interesting because.

699
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: It came from Boston, one of the worst media for

700
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,000
a player, New York Boston one of the worst media.

701
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,880
You gotta be tough to play baseball in there. And

702
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,920
you just just look at the center fielder for the

703
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,639
Red Sox. A lot he's had to go through this year.

704
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,599
So uh, yeah, San Francisco. Anything on the West coast

705
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:49,400
is more laid back. It's not the way it is.

706
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,639
Speaker 1: And yeah, in the Northeast, all right, we have about

707
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:56,760
twenty minutes left, we've got well, we've got one more

708
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,800
game to talk about, so we'll close out the parlay

709
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,719
and then we'll use there of the time to talk

710
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,239
trades and other stuff. Yeah, Robert s says, if will

711
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,079
the thrill offers to help you, you show up, shut

712
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,960
up and listen. Was one of the best when you play. Yeah,

713
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,280
he does a great podcast still with Eric Burns. I

714
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,039
listened to it sometimes. It's it's entertaining. Those two are

715
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,719
are kind of just but they have great stories.

716
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: I would guess. Robert is an American and he is

717
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,079
an older guy, and it means something to him. For

718
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:31,360
a guy from a foreign country and he's a younger guy.

719
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:34,719
He probably doesn't even know who will we'll get true.

720
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: That is true, yep, for sure. And and a guy

721
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,400
that like wasn't has only been in the Giants organization

722
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,559
for a day. Like if you if you spend a

723
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,719
year in the Giants organization, you know, they they do

724
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,920
a lot. I feel like he's you know, paraded out

725
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,679
at games and stuff. But yeah, if you're only there

726
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,519
for a day, you're not gonna you're you're not gonna know,

727
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:58,719
all right, one more game Mariners Rangers. So we have

728
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,679
the Seattle Mariners who have become the overnight darlings. All

729
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,840
of a sudden, they go out, they get Gino Suarez.

730
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,599
A couple of days ago, they get Josh Naylor. If

731
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,760
you watch Total Bases, you probably should. You should already

732
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,760
be holding a Mariner's ticket because I told you this

733
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,920
was gonna happen like two months ago, that they were

734
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,920
gonna move at the deadline, and suddenly they were. They

735
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:21,679
they had the amo to do it. And so now

736
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,000
they've got the h they've got the lineup that you

737
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,119
know that they want. You would think, right, Naylor swore

738
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,440
as you know you can move a Rose Raina down

739
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,320
in the order, they still have the pitching. So Brian

740
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,800
Leonard like, what what do you you know? Talk to

741
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,239
me about Mariners Rangers in general, because I think the

742
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,679
Rangers have done some really nice things too, just to

743
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,000
get back in the mix. And also, how are you

744
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:45,000
seeing this game tonight?

745
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Texas and Seattle Rocker against Kirby. Kirby's about one

746
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,880
seventy favorite here total about seven and a half. Uh

747
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,320
Kumar Rocker is pitched better as of late. Comes in

748
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,159
with a five point seven three ERA, five point five

749
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,480
to expect, a one point four to four whip, very

750
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:08,360
good ground ball percentage. He's in the seventy nine percentale

751
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,320
extench in eighty fifth percentile. He's six foot five. In

752
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,360
his fastball velocity he's in the seventy first percentile, and

753
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,599
he only throws his four seamer at nineteen percent of

754
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:21,519
the time, which I think is why he is having

755
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:23,360
this kind of success. It's a little bit better in

756
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,320
league average about a mile an hour. But when he

757
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,519
was younger, his fastball he would throw it all the time,

758
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,800
and it works in the minor leagues. It doesn't work

759
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,719
quite as well once you get to the major leagues.

760
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,920
He's learning that his barrel percentage is bad. Fifth percentile,

761
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,840
hard hit rate, ninth percent tle expected the ra sixth.

762
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,119
So he's a guy right now finding his way. Definitely

763
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,519
a pitcher with a lot of talent. He's learning how

764
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:51,280
to pitch in stead a throw, and I think he's

765
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,559
going to have a pretty decent future. But you've got

766
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:57,199
to learn once you get up into the majors. These

767
00:39:57,199 --> 00:40:00,639
guys can. These guys can hit fastballs. George Spair four

768
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,400
point five OERA, three point eight zero expected, one point

769
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,960
one five whip. He's had a nice comeback ever since

770
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:12,559
come back from injury. He struggled mightily early on. Now

771
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,000
he's starting to put it together. So we've got two

772
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,480
pitchers here that I think are going to be better

773
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:19,840
from now through the end of the season than they

774
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,480
were up to this point. H So that might point

775
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,440
me to the under in this game. Uh, we've got

776
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,880
when you take a look at this team Seattle, as

777
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,519
you mentioned, they've lacked a little bit of power. They

778
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:36,000
bring in two really good power guys and Naylor's a leader.

779
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,480
He pitched for Cleveland, or he played first base for Cleveland,

780
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,400
the team would rally around him. He's an emotional guy.

781
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,000
That's going to help Seattle the rest of the rest

782
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:47,719
of the year here. And obviously when you bring in

783
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,400
a guy at third base that hits him many homers

784
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,840
as far as does, it's going to help. But keep

785
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,039
in mind, he just played in Seattle and he's his

786
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,719
numbers were not nearly as good there, and a lot

787
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,880
of it is because the home games in Seattle. It

788
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,159
seems to be this year they're hitting a little bit

789
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,199
better at home than they have been on the normally,

790
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,599
but they're still a much better hitting team when they're

791
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:13,440
on the road as opposed to home. I kind of

792
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,880
like Seattle in this game. This is a big series here.

793
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Texas and Seattle, both teams right now, think that they

794
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,920
can compete and possibly win this division. And I think

795
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,440
if you're a Houston Astros fan, you've got to think

796
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,840
that unless they get some of these guys back and

797
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,679
start playing well. The younger guys for Houston are starting

798
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:35,239
to fall off a little bit. And of course they

799
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,719
come back yesterday and they play well. But for the

800
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,360
most part, I'm worried about this Houston team right now,

801
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:42,599
and I think they could end up in third place

802
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,960
in this division. Big series here with Rocker and Kirby.

803
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,360
I'm going to enjoy this game, but I'm not going

804
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,800
to have anything on this one.

805
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: Someone needs to test Suarez because the guys hitting a

806
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,760
ton more home runs in less at bats than he

807
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,480
did last year and the year before. So last time

808
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:07,000
he was with Seattle, I mean, he was just a

809
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:13,960
nobody he went to the Diamondbacks started hitting last year.

810
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,159
When he went to the Diamondbacks, he was like a

811
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,800
clutch hitter. He wasn't like a power hitter. I mean

812
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,719
he did hit home runs here and there, he wasn't

813
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,840
anything like he is this year. Though he's clutch. Though

814
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,039
I do like his how he hits with guys on base.

815
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,239
He is a clutch guy. But something strange about how

816
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,039
he's hitting this year. And I don't know if going

817
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,440
back to Seattle, if he's going to perform the same

818
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,920
way he was with Arizona. I don't know. But Seattle

819
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,039
is another team where these guys are human beings. They

820
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:51,880
see adding nailor they see adding Suarez. Okay, this is something, guys,

821
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,679
we can do this. We can do this, you know,

822
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,199
is the kind of the locker room theme. The thing is,

823
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,960
they're in a pretty tough division. Someone said in the

824
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:05,599
chat that Seattle to make the playoffs is minus one fifty.

825
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,519
I'm not sure if that's a good bed or not.

826
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,480
The fifty seven and fifty two. The reason they have

827
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,199
such a deep well, the reason they have a winning record,

828
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,960
in my opinion, is because they're a really good road team,

829
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,679
much better than most teams on the road. They have

830
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:22,719
a winning record on the road, which is actually pretty

831
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,239
rare in MLB, and they have such a good pitching staff.

832
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,320
Now can they hit? They added a Rosania, and I

833
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,440
thought when they added a Rosarania from Tampa Bay that

834
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,400
that was going to be something special. But he's kind

835
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,440
of he hasn't been the guy he was when he

836
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:43,719
was at Tampa Bay in my opinion. I mean, he's

837
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,599
been solid, okay, kind of a low average. Sometimes he'll

838
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,519
hit a home run, kind of hit her. I expected

839
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:55,920
more from him. But now they got Suarez, Naylor, a

840
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,280
Rosarania and that pitching staff, and Wu's been pitching like

841
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,880
garbage lately, though very surprising. The Yankees knocked him around.

842
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,320
He got knocked around again last night. Very surprising because

843
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,679
I thought he was one of the better pitchers in MLB,

844
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:16,320
definitely the best third pitcher in MLB. But yeah, I

845
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,920
think not only just about this game, but I'd like

846
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,039
to get your guys thoughts about if you think Seattle's

847
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,960
going to make the playoffs or not in this particular game.

848
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:29,480
I like Kirby's stats against these Rangers in his career,

849
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,400
and Kumar Rucker on the road as a nine plus

850
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,199
cra So that doesn't mean everything, but it's an indication.

851
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,239
I don't you know, anyone can just look up an

852
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,519
Era and say, oh, he sucks, but it is an

853
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:48,320
indication that he struggles on the road. So I think

854
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:52,519
if Seattle's bats can get any kind of production, I

855
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:56,119
think they'll probably come out on top. The question is

856
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:59,440
do you want to pay the price or not.

857
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,559
Speaker 1: Not only do I think Seattle's gonna make the playoffs,

858
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,400
I think I'm gonna hit my seven to one bet

859
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,920
on the Division. And I think all of my futures

860
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,599
from April and May on the Mariners to win the

861
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,639
World Series, to win the AL.

862
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: Are live like this series exactly.

863
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,119
Speaker 1: I have them laddered at different times. I've just been

864
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:21,000
adding throughout the year, I have multiple positions on them

865
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:24,199
to win the division, to make the playoffs, and I'm

866
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,360
just there's absolutely no reason for me to not like

867
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,880
be confident about that when they've they've done everything I've

868
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,800
expected them to do to this point, hang around pitching,

869
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,599
starting to get healthy, and then they went out and

870
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:37,639
made the moves, and now their lineup's gonna look something

871
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,519
like this. Crawford, Julio cal Rawley. You probably have Gino

872
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,360
Suarez fourth or fifth. Naylor. I don't know what they're

873
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,400
gonna do with the Rose Arena. I guess I'm guessing

874
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,880
they move him down in the order, and then you know,

875
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,440
seven through nine is probably gonna be a little bit interchangeable.

876
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,360
Dom km Zone has been playing good like And the

877
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,280
thing is like, even with giving up Locklear, they still

878
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,840
have like other guys that they have depth too. So

879
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,920
someone goes down like God for big cal Rawly went

880
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,760
down for any stretch of time, you got Harry Ford

881
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,239
just chilling at Triple A. He's gonna be a star,

882
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,039
right Like. You've got depth guys at Triple A, like

883
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,679
Samad Taylor, who's who's probably good enough to be on

884
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:17,440
a big league roster, but there's just not really a

885
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,400
spot for him. You know, this team has so much

886
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,519
in the in the best part about it is we

887
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:26,559
haven't even really seen their pitching give them what what

888
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,880
their pitching should give them at this point, Like George

889
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,559
Kirby was hurt for the first couple of months of

890
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:34,280
the season, and then he was trying to work his

891
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,239
way back from being hurt. Now last time out, nine strikeouts,

892
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,960
six innings, two runs. I think, you know, a couple

893
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:43,639
couple starts prior to that pitching of the seventh innings

894
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,159
seventh innings shutout, nine strikeouts against the Pirates, had a

895
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,079
you know, a couple of duds, you know, right around

896
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:53,360
the All Star break. But we'll we'll give him a

897
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,880
pass for that because you know, he's he's I mean,

898
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,400
he's just like I think he continues to look more

899
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,840
like George Herby as the season goes on, because he

900
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,840
had to battle through that stretch where he didn't really

901
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,239
have much of a spring So that's really tough. Like

902
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,440
when you get a guy that kind of miss spring training,

903
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,440
had some rehab time, like it does take some time

904
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,440
to get back into the mix, and so for that reason,

905
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,360
I think George Kirby's gonna be just fine. Now. I

906
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,079
don't dislike Rocker. I think he's probably you know, better

907
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,760
than where the market has him. But in this case,

908
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,039
you're giving me the Mariners at home, their new retool lineup,

909
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:29,519
the better starting pitcher. And make no mistake about it,

910
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,519
this is a huge game for them. They just lost

911
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,320
back to back games to the A's. The fans are

912
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,519
going to be out, like, the expectations are going to

913
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,400
be massive now that they've got these two guys. I

914
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,119
think they kind of have to win tonight. I think

915
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,920
they're going to be focused to do so. And you know,

916
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:47,480
it's still Rocker Like, he's still someone that he's just

917
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,159
not in the same stratosphere as George Kirby, even though

918
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,280
he's probably a little bit better than what he's done

919
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,719
in the Big league so far this year. So this

920
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,880
will be my parlay league, I'll go. I'll go Mariners

921
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,280
right here.

922
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: Just a couple of things known in the game regarding Kirby.

923
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,599
Would you guys argue that Simeon and Segar are the

924
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,360
are the most feared hitters in the Texas lineup? Would

925
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:11,880
Is that a fair statement.

926
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,199
Speaker 2: Uh, Simon's not feared. Seeger is the only good hitter

927
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:15,960
in that lineup.

928
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,199
Speaker 3: Soar yeah, Well.

929
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: He's heard all the time.

930
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: Seegars oh for thirteen against Kirby in his career. Now

931
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,000
doesn't mean he's going to be oh for four today,

932
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,440
but it does mean that Kirby has faced him in

933
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:37,559
three starts and secrets done nothing. So that's another you

934
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:41,000
know thing that indicates that Kirby might have a good

935
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:41,639
game today.

936
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: I do I do want to put in regards to Seattle. Uh,

937
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,639
they did bring in Caleb Ferguson for the Pirates. I

938
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,400
like him. He's going to help that bullpen out and

939
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,880
Bryce Miller eventually is going to come back. There's been

940
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,519
talking may pitch in the bullpen. I'd love to see

941
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:59,199
him cut back and then get rid of the Logan

942
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,320
Evans So I think is a little bit over his

943
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,679
head so far, but from a future standpoint, he might

944
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,159
be a good picture. But Seattle's Seattle's pretty loaded. Now.

945
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,840
You talked about the lineup. Crawford is going twenty six

946
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,119
at bats without getting a hit. He's struggling right now,

947
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,880
and he's betting the leadoff he's not really a leadoff

948
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:24,280
hitter for them. When they get Ryan Bliss back, a

949
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,119
lot of speed on him is the second basement. I

950
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:29,440
think that'll help them give him a little bit of

951
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,440
a dimension. Right now, they don't have a lot of speed.

952
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,719
Dylan Moore is a guy that with a lot of speed,

953
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,840
but he's just doesn't hid enough to play every day.

954
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,920
He's a bench bench warmer. But you know they've they've

955
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,119
got some good guys on the bench, Garvers, Solano, Williamson,

956
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,360
and they can bring like I said, Bliss up there,

957
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,039
they'd be really pretty well set all over. And you

958
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:57,480
mentioned Ford. I'm really surprised that he is still in

959
00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:59,719
the minors and nobody's tried to trade for him. Maybe

960
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,679
they have, but we just don't know about it. But

961
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,519
he's blocked with Raley a catcher. But this this guy's

962
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:08,599
got a really bright future in Major League Baseball. As

963
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:10,039
you pointed out, trade.

964
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,039
Speaker 1: Listen, there's still hours left in the day. Do not

965
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:17,119
be surprised if the Mariners go get like a big

966
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:20,159
time starter and move Harry forward, because I thought I

967
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,679
thought for sure he would have been the guy to

968
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:29,199
move because he's a projected like all star caliber catcher

969
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,719
at like, well at least what his ceiling is projected

970
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,760
to be in the big leagues, at the most coveted

971
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,119
position in the league. Theoretically, the Mariner should have been

972
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:43,480
able to say, who wants him and overpay please and

973
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:45,519
get it, So go ahead, Brian.

974
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: Would they trade for Justin Bieber and give up?

975
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: Because I'm pretty sure Bieber's on his way to Toronto? Though?

976
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,280
Did that is that final yet?

977
00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything, but Cleveland needs a catcher can hit.

978
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:04,360
They haven't had a catcher that can hit since it's

979
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,599
it's been at least a decade.

980
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, Harry Ford. And here's the other thing.

981
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,199
The Mariners have already kind of toyed with, like they

982
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,239
toyed would trying to change his position, and they pretty

983
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,280
much said they're not gonna do that. So they've come

984
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,320
out they said they're not going to change his position.

985
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,800
It's it's kind of crazy to think that they wouldn't,

986
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:27,320
and who knows, you know what they're probably trying to

987
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,079
move him, but I can guarantee you they are going

988
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:32,159
to The asking price for him is going to be

989
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,239
outrageous and maybe no one can can meet the demand,

990
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:37,880
but that could be the way the Mariners get their

991
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,440
fifth starter. Now they've got like, it's not gonna be

992
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,639
Logan Evans, I'll tell you that much. It's it's gonna

993
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:44,880
be someone else. They've got a guy in the on

994
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,920
Triple Ay Sarah and law Lao that they've converted. He

995
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,119
was a really good Triple A reliever. They're trying to

996
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:54,840
stretch him out. They've got him going about five innings

997
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,960
to start in Triple A. So someone's gonna be in

998
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,239
that fifth spot. It's not gonna be Logan Evans. He's awful.

999
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,320
He just doesn't belong, not on a team of this caliber.

1000
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:04,840
He does not belong in the starting rotation. But I'll

1001
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,719
be interested. That's one thing I'll be looking to see

1002
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,559
today is if the Mariners try to make a play

1003
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:14,800
for like another starter, because man, you you throw another respectable,

1004
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:21,119
solid starting pitcher in with Gilbert and Kirby Castillo, like

1005
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:25,840
that's that's suddenly a very very good baseball team. Brian, Yeah,

1006
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,960
of course, it's very good.

1007
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:30,599
Speaker 3: They could have six legitimate starters.

1008
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:31,519
Speaker 2: And you know.

1009
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:38,679
Speaker 3: The baseball baseball teams value pitching more than the value hitting,

1010
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,480
which is weird because the hitters are everyday guys, but

1011
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,320
pitching is so hard to acquire, you know, you know,

1012
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:50,760
you get guys like Rally or Suarez who are putting

1013
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,400
up similar numbers to someone like Soto, right, even though

1014
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,719
Soto is you know, a generational talent. But you can

1015
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,360
find guys who get production in your lineup like Juan Soto,

1016
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,719
But it's very difficult to find guys who can pitch

1017
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,000
like Wheeler or you know, uh Schemes or someone like that.

1018
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,360
It's just more rare. So there is more value on

1019
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,639
starting pitching in baseball than there is on hitting.

1020
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: In my hitting, you can do the lefty righty thing

1021
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:22,840
and make up more. That's what the Dodgers or excuse me,

1022
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,960
was the Dodgers one of the teams did san Diego

1023
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,280
did coming in and he's didn't work out for him?

1024
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:30,840
They go, well, we can't, we don't have Soto anymore.

1025
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,280
But we can put this guy who's good this lefties

1026
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,840
and this guy who's good against righties and get something

1027
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,480
similar to it. You can't do that with pitching.

1028
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:42,559
Speaker 3: Right pitching is more valuable because it's more rare, and

1029
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,920
also catchers are more valuable catchers who can hit like

1030
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,920
a Will Smith or a cal Rally. You know, if

1031
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,719
you have one of those guys as a catcher, you

1032
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,159
have you automatically are three times better at at one

1033
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,280
of the nine positions than the team you're facing. That's

1034
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,079
exponent tully valuable. So there are certain positions that are

1035
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:06,360
that are just have more value because of rarity.

1036
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,079
Speaker 1: Turbuckle Tommy says, big names don't mean anything. You named

1037
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:11,800
all these names in the marriage like they're gonna score

1038
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,079
fifteen plus every night. No, I don't think they're gonna

1039
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,800
score fifteen plus every night. But you you can't tell

1040
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,519
me that that Mariners team now on with the pitching

1041
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,840
and the and the lineup that they have and the

1042
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:28,079
the overall package, is not the first, second, or third

1043
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,800
best team in the American League. Who who is better

1044
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,880
than the Mariners right now? Other than maybe, like maybe

1045
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,320
the blue Jays a month ago, I would have said

1046
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,880
the Tigers. I'm not so sure anymore.

1047
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the blue Jays.

1048
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Look at the right, like just got so the blue

1049
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,480
Jays just finalized the trade for Shane Bieber. I mean,

1050
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:50,960
that's that's a name, but yeah, that's kind of feel

1051
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,480
like that too.

1052
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: I mean Shane Bieber. Where would he be in Seattle's

1053
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:57,159
rotation number six.

1054
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: I think they got some prospects, like like younger prospects

1055
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,559
back and for them. I didn't see the full deal,

1056
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:07,199
but but the point is, like I think that's a

1057
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,920
great point to be made, like that, you know, you

1058
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,480
want to talk about markets like World Series market that

1059
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:15,639
the the AL is not even close to the caliber

1060
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:17,599
of the league the NL is this year. So you

1061
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,599
get a team like the Mariners and the fact that

1062
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,320
like they wouldn't they wouldn't have to see the three

1063
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,199
or four best teams in baseball very possibly could be

1064
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,559
in the National League, right, Like, I don't know that

1065
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:29,960
the American League is a team better than the Mets,

1066
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,800
the Cubs, the Dodgers. God, you've got to start putting

1067
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,280
Brewers in the mix there. So it's like you think

1068
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,880
about that, like the Mariners competition to get to the

1069
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,519
World Series at this point, even though like they're forget

1070
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,440
where they are in the context of the whole league.

1071
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:48,519
They'd essentially have to get by a team like the Yankees. Okay,

1072
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,079
I don't know. I don't think that we just talked

1073
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,360
about liking the Yankees to miss the playoffs the other day.

1074
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:58,679
Right maybe the Blue Jays that's manageable, Tigers, manageable opponent.

1075
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:03,199
There's not one team that's like on that right now

1076
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,199
you can say is like better than them, maybe some equals,

1077
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:10,079
but certainly not better. So that's that's you know that,

1078
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,119
that's kind of like, yeah, go ahead, TV.

1079
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,159
Speaker 3: Not to interrupt your thought, but did one of you

1080
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,719
mentioned that you see it or that you see the

1081
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,719
Astros fading in the second half from here on out?

1082
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: Why why is that?

1083
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing, I'm just asking why do you think that?

1084
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: Because because they're the Sugarland Space Cowboys with like two

1085
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,400
extra players, they're just not they just aren't. They have

1086
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,480
It's a it's a Triple A team essentially at this

1087
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:41,360
point that has managed to massively overachieve in the first half,

1088
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,800
and there's just no way that that that crop of

1089
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,480
players can can just play out of their minds for

1090
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,920
another three months. Now. They're gonna get Jeremy Paynea back.

1091
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,079
He was down in Triple A you know the other day.

1092
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,119
But like, I don't know, they're just you can't you

1093
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,760
can't run Ryan Gusto out there every fifth day, and

1094
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,920
and Colton or and it's like these are guys that

1095
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,840
they're they're not gonna gonna propel you to a playoff spot,

1096
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,760
maybe a wild card spot because the al is so bad.

1097
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,360
But the Astros they're not doing anything this year.

1098
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:17,159
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I will point out unbuckle Tommy's if

1099
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:19,960
they're for some I've ever seen somebody in a pirate

1100
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:21,280
uniform with money around him.

1101
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Paul got some money, but not what he

1102
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,760
should get exactly exactly now. If he's traded today, that

1103
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,760
would make serious headlines.

1104
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: That the city of Pittsburgh would burn to the ground

1105
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,280
if they if they ever moved on from him.

1106
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:45,159
Speaker 3: Could you imagine if they traded Skemes to the Dodgers today?

1107
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:49,039
Speaker 1: That Okay, Ryan, Ryan makes a good point here, Ryan says,

1108
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,760
Ryan says, uh, wild to think Houston doesn't make a

1109
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,239
move to stay on top of the West. My question is,

1110
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,000
I'm not saying they're not going to make a move.

1111
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,199
I don't see the move that they could potentially make

1112
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,519
making inherently better than they are right now. They could

1113
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:07,239
probably get someone, but it's like I don't know, Like

1114
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,880
I'm looking at like the way the organization is built.

1115
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,840
They don't have unless they are. They're sitting on guys

1116
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,599
at like single A and double A that are like

1117
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:19,800
big time futures type prospects. They don't have like like

1118
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,400
a really like big league ready triple A guy right now.

1119
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,719
In my opinion, that's like someone that they would move

1120
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,519
like maybe the kid they just called up with Bryce Matthews,

1121
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:30,719
but like feels like they're committed to him. I don't

1122
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:33,320
think they're gonna move on for such a month. Yeah,

1123
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:37,480
let's read off the parlay we do have. So we

1124
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:39,559
made it an hour. That was that was a fun conversation.

1125
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:41,840
I mean honestly, like I could sit here for another

1126
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,239
hour and just banter trades and potential like it's that's

1127
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,840
that's fun stuff. So I hope, I hope you guys

1128
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,159
got something out of of, you know, the hour long show,

1129
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:53,159
even though there was only three games, but we did

1130
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,480
manage a parlay. So the three games, hopefully this provides

1131
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,320
day long entertainment here and Brian gets it done in

1132
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,239
the afternoon with the Rays. Then we've got Tokyo Brandon

1133
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,159
with the Reds and I'm on the Mariners. So raise Reds.

1134
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:09,679
Mariners should should hopefully last year the full day and

1135
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,119
if it wins, we're looking at plus four twenty two odds.

1136
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:17,320
So raise Reds Mariners is the parlay for Thursday. I

1137
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,679
doubt I'll actually put out go ahead TV.

1138
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 3: So I didn't mean to interrupt you again. No, yeah,

1139
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,039
yesterday I should have won my leg. Let's just note that.

1140
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, great call on the Red Sox.

1141
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,960
I was wrong about that and I did the same

1142
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:35,079
thing TV. I was gonna use white socks, and I

1143
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,000
last second talked myself off and put myself onto a loser.

1144
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:41,440
Brian Leonard, what a call with the Marlins. That was

1145
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,519
a fantastic call. They just dominant from start to finish.

1146
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,199
Calquantra was throwing ninety seven last night?

1147
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: Was that away from Colorado? Is a guy who can

1148
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:51,920
get some nice value on.

1149
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: Five solid innings. Yeah, didn't expect that.

1150
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Guys throwing nine. I didn't know

1151
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:07,039
he had that in him. Still, but yeah, one more time,

1152
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:13,159
one more time, we have raise Reds Mariners, three teamer

1153
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:18,400
for today. Everyone enjoy trade deadline Thursday. I'm sure, I'm

1154
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,480
sure it's gonna be. There's gonna be some talking points

1155
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,199
when we're back tomorrow. So we will be back tomorrow

1156
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:27,320
nine am for our final show of the week, and

1157
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,599
everyone enjoy the day. Hopefully we cash the parlay. Check

1158
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,039
out all of our stuff on the wager Talk website.

1159
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,079
Well all, I don't think I'm gonna have an MLB

1160
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:38,599
play up for today, but I'll have other stuff, and

1161
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,079
I'm sure the guys will have something as well. Don't

1162
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:44,400
forget to like and subscribe. Head on over to the

1163
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,960
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1164
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,760
love to hear it as the day goes on. Jump

1165
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,719
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1166
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,840
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1167
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:57,079
and respond to as many as we can, and we

1168
01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:00,199
will see you guys tomorrow morning, nine am. Right here, Wag,

1169
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:01,159
you're talking to Jantle