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of BWA sports says. The college football season begins to
wind down. We're getting into bowl season, We're getting into
the offseason.
Speaker 4: Talk.
Speaker 3: Are we mentally, emotionally, spiritually, temperar Are we just jumping
right into the basketball season now?
Speaker 2: Are we saying, hey, bat.
Speaker 3: Football's done, We're good and now we're just transitioning into
the basketball season. We're gonna discuss that and much more.
What are still some of the topics of hoard to
the BYU college football fan base, the Cougar fan base
out there. Maybe it's roster attention, Maybe it's senior balls,
Maybe it's you know, draft evaluations, Maybe it's the transfer portal.
What is it that's keeping you bought into BYU? The
Bowl game, obviously with Georgia Tech, would have been better,
would have been great with a grand would have been
wonderful had Notre Dame decided to play the game. Rather
than being the fighting Irish, they became the quitting Irish,
and that I would have kept us maybe a little
bit more bought in. But I think there are some
out there in Cougar Country that are moving on to
BYU basketball Top ten team that just knocked down the
knocked off the Clemson Tigers in MSG. Their only loss
is to potentially the national champion of college basketball ukhon
and coach Hurley. They are very talented, they are very robust,
they are very well resourced.
Speaker 2: And they got the coops.
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Where are you at mentally right now as a bou fan?
Are you putting the football season to bed? You're like, ah, yeah,
the bowl game, that's fine, That's okay, Pop Tard's Bowl,
you know whatever, and you've moved on one hundred percent
to basketball.
Speaker 4: Not no, not one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: But I think ending the regular season the way it
did and getting snubbed out of the college football Playoff,
I think it makes it a little bit easier to
focus more of our attention on a basketball at this point. Obviously,
there's still some recency bias as well, because we're just
getting off that like electric win against Clemson. So I
think that's not helping, you know, my my football cravings
right now.
Speaker 4: But I mean, you got to think about it this way.
Speaker 5: We have a fantastic basketball team, so what's not excited
to be? You know, I'm super excited about the basketball season,
But what's going to happen is the Bowl Game's gonna
sneak up on me all of a sudden. It's this
nice little treat at the end of December.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, the twenty seventh in Orlando, right after Christmas exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm I'm thrilled for that too. I actually
went to the Georgia Tech b Why you played Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4: I think it was early two thousands.
Speaker 6: I'm like.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 4: It was a Gary Croton game. I remember that.
Speaker 2: I want to say it was two thousand and four.
Speaker 5: So I went to that game, and my my friend
in high school was actually the cousin of the punt
returner on Georgia Tech's team. But that was actually a
fantastic game. Really enjoyed going to Georgia Tech. We went
to a lot of away games when I was a kid,
and that was one of them.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and four, No, two thousand and three.
Speaker 4: That sounds about reason open in two.
Speaker 3: Thousand and three. It was on the road August twenty eight,
two thousand and three. I think that was the Dan
Coates game.
Speaker 4: Uh your Dan Coats Yeah, tight end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tight end. Yeah, he had a great game.
Speaker 5: I think he had a fantastic game. I'm trying to
remember who the quarterback was back then. That was like
kind of John Beck was was it?
Speaker 6: John?
Speaker 3: A young young quarterback, young talented quarterback and the ace
Arizona Go Toros?
Speaker 2: Is that where he went to Mason Mountain View, baby.
Speaker 3: And everyone's wonder like why they were so good and
like in that day and age, like they had like
five thousand students and it was like it was like
sophomore it was like ten through twelfth grade, so they
didn't have a freshman class, but they had like five
thousand kids there. It wasn't that much, but you know
what I mean, they're like, oh, well, no, wonder, they're
so freaking good. They have all the talent just aggregated
and ten through twelfth anyways, Yeah, you can tell I'm
a little bit better because I was on the west side,
northwest side in Glendale, Arizona, and we didn't have that.
Speaker 2: We had two thousand students there.
Speaker 3: We were five ayes well, but nine through twelve, so
and the freshman classes are typically a little bit bigger
at any rate. Yes, two thousand and three was the
last time that BYU and Georgia Tech played, and be
all you got to win twenty four to thirteen, ladies
and gentlemen, boys and girls.
Speaker 2: That was a great game, great game for the coops.
Speaker 3: If I if I do remember accurately, I'll have to
pull up the stat sheet. But I want to say
Dan coachs had himself a day was oh wait, no,
but that was at home?
Speaker 2: That was not in a way setting was it.
Speaker 5: At home or a way that would have been in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: So then that would have been early two two thousand
and two or two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: Then yeah, I want to say that it was like
a dominie or something like that. Maybe not.
Speaker 3: Now you got me searching it anyway, I know you're
still hanging up, like, what are some of the topics
that are keeping BYU fans dialed into BYU football right now?
Speaker 5: You know, you start this time of year, you start
seeing some of the players tweeting out that they're looking
for other opportunities to transfer portal stuff. We've fared really
well obviously in the transfer portal over the past couple
of years, and I think that's probably gonna be a
trend that we see for a while. But it's obviously
like transfer portal type stuff, there's always a couple of
surprises out there. Yeah, you mentioned it earlier, like Senior
Bowl invites and stuff like that. We're already seeing some
of those trickle in as well.
Speaker 3: Jack Kelly getting a nice invite, Austin Lay who's also
getting an invite to a Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hopefully we're see in a few more players that
are deserving of it to to get some invites as well.
Obviously the stuff leading up to the actual game itself. Uh,
Georgia Tech is not like a they're not a pushover.
Actually haven't followed them very closely. I mean for a
long time there were like a they're known to be
a triple option team. I don't even know if they're
running that anymore, I don't think so. Okay, well, so
it'll be interesting to like really catch up on Georgia Tech,
like who they are as a team, because I mean
they're they're not like, ah, they're not a blue blood
when it comes to to football. So just better acquainting
myself with with the football team. So those are a
couple of the things that are like, you know, keeping
my interest a little bit obviously, like paying attention to, like.
Speaker 4: What players are gonna play in that game.
Speaker 5: You know, obviously Bear had an injury during the Big
twelve conference championship game.
Speaker 4: So just like you know, following that whole thing.
Speaker 5: I know, Aaron Roderck came out and talked a little
bit about that, either yesterday or the day before.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna play, Yeah, to play, He's gonna play.
He'll be fine. Oh that's that's what he said. Yeah,
that's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the things that we broach you mentioned Aaron Roderick.
One of the questions that we broached recently was, uh,
yesterday for Aaron Roderick haters. He has recruited coach developed
these Quarterbackszach Wilson, Jared hall Keton slows all three in
the NFL right now. Actually Jared is maybe out of
the NFL now. I think he's still trying to get
into another camp this offseason. Jake Redsloff is with Tulane,
He's gonna be in the CFP. Let his team to
eleven and two season. Bear Bachmeyer, you know, at what
point do you give him credit for what he's done
as not only a quarterbacks coach but a coordinator. And
right now, if you look at sp plus offensive efficiency
last year was thirty six, this year it's twenty third
in the country.
Speaker 4: To do that with a freshman is incredible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, especially a fresh a true freshman who wasn't
a part of spring ball.
Speaker 4: I think that you have to do it now.
Speaker 5: I don't know why there are there's such a and
who knows if it's just like the vocal minority or whatever,
but I know that there is some animosity out there,
some some ill feelings towards Aaron Roderick. And I mean,
our record shows that, like we know how to win.
And maybe it's because we don't start off games super fast, right,
and we don't pile on the points or anything like that,
but we win games, which in my mind trump's everything else.
It's like, I couldn't care less if we're scoring a
million points. If we're we end up losing those games.
So maybe that's it. I'm honestly not sure what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my follow up to this, and look, I don't
think there's ever been in OC and b YU football
history that that the majority of fans were completely happy
with and didn't want fired. Like when I asked the
question who's the greatest o C in BYU football history,
there is no consensus. Like you get the old, the old,
the Blue Hairs, they're gonna say Doug Scoville. You know,
Doug Shuy he was there for like two years early
on and then left and then came back for another
two years. Like, Doug Scoville, he's the one that built
this offense. And the swamp were at do we de
We Warren and I'm like, Broll, you can't go with.
Speaker 2: Doug Scoville and Dewey Warren.
Speaker 3: Come on, it's like the seventies, Like no, but that
before it all started. I'm like, yeah, well, no one
had VHS tapes, like, no one knew what was going on,
No one had scout scouting on area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they did something innovator, but.
Speaker 3: No one knew what was gonna go on until you
played them because they didn't have freaking any video living
in the seventies. You know, no one's no one's sharing
tape and scouted. Anyway, we innovated and it came to
pass it like, I just don't think you can say
Dunk Scolville. I'm not letting you have Doug Scolville. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm not gonna have it. So then you
kind of move on to like Norm Chow and I'm like, no.
Like there was a huge contingency of fans that did
not like Norm Chow and they were happy to see
him go and not become the next head coach of BYU.
Speaker 2: They were happy.
Speaker 3: And what happened with Norm you know, when Norm knew
that he wasn't gonna be in the next head coach,
he went off to USC and became a national champion
OC with the Trojans.
Speaker 4: Do you want to know an interesting fact about Norm Chow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 5: He was in my ward in North Carolina, so I
grew up in Raleigh, who are like the Rawley area.
He ended up being the oc NC state I think
it was during Chuck Amato's tenure there and he was
in my ward, so as a deacon, I was literally
passing him the Sacrament at various points throughout my life.
Speaker 2: I love it crazy, Yeah, nineteen ninety nine, He that's right.
Speaker 3: He from BYU in nineteen ninety eight, went to NC
State in two thousand and then from from that he
jumped to USC from two thousand and one to two
thousand and four.
Speaker 4: He Yeah, he had a very short stint there, but yeah,
he was.
Speaker 3: And then he became the offensive coordinator for the Tennessee
Titans oh five toh seven, came back to UCLA eight
to twenty ten, at Utah in twenty eleven, and then
Hawaii as the head coach twenty twelve to twenty fifteen,
and then he kind of rolled rode off into the
sunset with.
Speaker 2: Like but by fans wanted him fired.
Speaker 3: I don't care what anyone said, no one, not everyone
was completely happy. It's the same thing that's happening with
Roderick in my opinion, like.
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, a nice little Knight's little.
Speaker 3: Loc but not good enough what they're doing right now.
And I've seen the commentary. Many of them are saying, no,
we don't want him fired. But what they're asking for
is they want another analyst, the senior analyst, to help
him out.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the new the new thing.
Speaker 3: It's not fired because they can't because you look at
his resume, like, ah, we can't, we can't fire him.
Speaker 2: But they're not fully happy with the offense. They just
want to see the jump.
Speaker 3: So you look at the quarterback development, the quarterback recruiting,
you look at the.
Speaker 2: Offensive efficientcy metric. They have to at least.
Speaker 3: Abide by the objective data metrics, and they're like, Okay,
he doesn't deserve to be fired by way. He's going
to live it into the last two seasons. But he's
lacking something. So they've converted over to senior analysts. Well,
who's that senior analyst that you're going to bring in
that would be akin to Gary Anderson on the defensive
side of the ball. And that's the debate I'm having
with BYU fans right now. It's like, Okay, well, who's
that senior analyst that Aaron Roderick loves and trust and
has rapport with that he will listen to in order
to fill whatever void of weakness that he currently has
in his play calling ability.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think the answer is we have no
idea who that individual is, right, I mean, well.
Speaker 2: I mean, everyone has ideas, sure, but.
Speaker 3: People will say Max Hall, some people will say John Beck,
some people will say Ty Demmer. If you're a former
quarterback that's coaching anywhere, they're gonna say that guy, right,
that's the low hanging fruit. It's, uh, why not bring
back Robbie Bosco as a player.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, they may whatever.
Speaker 3: It's typically a quarterback that's the low hanging fruit, okay,
or someone that's LDS or has ties to b YU
that's you know, semi retired or retire. That's what Gary
Anderson is. So if you're gonna go pick somebody up,
someone that's been a head coach, someone that's been a
coordinator on the offensive side of the ball, shoot, you
may have to bring Norm Chow out of retirement.
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing right now, no idea.
How old is Norm? Norm is?
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, so he's gotta be okay, So he's not.
Speaker 2: He's seventy nine, So it's not gonna be Norm unfortunately
for you guys.
Speaker 4: Probably probably not gonna be normal.
Speaker 2: Hopefully he's enjoying for Andy Reid.
Speaker 3: That's a home for they're hoping for and Andy have
a I know Ronald's over here, like you know, it's like, no,
you will not you know, because he's a big Kansas
City Chiefs fan. But we were talking about, like the
idealic situation for b Way fans is like Kansas City's
left out of the playoffs. There's a there's a there's
an uproar, there's a firing, and then and he's like,
you know what, screw it, I'm going back to my
alma model.
Speaker 2: Lets go win a Natty and I'll be a senior analyst.
I'll help him recruit. Like, I don't know if it's
gonna happen, guys, I don't know, but we do have
a lot of money. How much is Andy making ten
mill ten million year?
Speaker 5: I think I saw a graphic recently that he's one
of the highest paid coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He's making twenty million antally.
Speaker 4: That's that's just from State Farm.
Speaker 2: I'm tell you, like I'll talk. I hope I really
do no offense. Andy.
Speaker 3: I hope you get fired and you can go you
can become a senior analyst and be why you so
that you can you can lead us to a natty.
Like that's the situation. I'm just saying like if any look,
you got enough money, now you're gonna have You're gonna
have a payout. You get fired because you don't miss
the playoffs one time and you're one of the greatest
NFL coaches all time, and you're like, you know what,
Screw the NFL. I'll be a senior analyst. I have
enough money. Now it's time to give back to the
Lord's University. As Elder Oaks and Elder Holland stated in
their podcast, this just about.
Speaker 2: A month ago. Did you know that?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did for the fiftieth anniversary. See this is
Right's a event. He listens and all the stuff. So
that's the idea. But who is it, you know what
I mean? Who's that senior analyst that's gonna booy up
a rod to elite play calling ability.
Speaker 5: And here's the thing is, I don't disagree with the
idea of like bolstering like our coaching stuff and having
more eyes on on things like strategy and and game
prep and all.
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: I think to some degree, the more the merrier, I mean,
obviously there gets a point where there's like law of
diminishing returns. But I don't disagree with that, But at
the same time, you have to give credit where credit's due,
and Aaron Roderick has has done a really good job.
I mean we're talking about like not only have we
done that in the past two years, but we've also
joined a conference we have and we have one I
mean at a historic clip, right, Like when we talk
about these you asked earlier about like who is that
that oc that like you can point to.
Speaker 3: And in these Robertanie it Jeff Grimes, isn't it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Arod obviously, isn't it the Norm Chow?
Speaker 3: Maybe possibly, but even that, like he was a hiss
and a byword for some uh. And so they go
back to the past. It's the idea. And this is
what I bring up in our culture. And the Jews
are the same as the Mormons. We worship the are
kaik profits the former ones. Like you get far away
enough from the memory, you know, you don't remember any
bad You're like, oh, yeah, it was Doug Skulville. You know,
you gotta go way back, that's what you have to do.
And then like you you idolize that the individual that
was there sixty years.
Speaker 2: Ago, like oh, he was the perfect oh see, who's
the best. But at the time the prophet is never
accepted in his own land.
Speaker 4: That's that's probably.
Speaker 3: Norm Chall leaves and you're like, man, no, you know what,
Norm Chall was good. Robert and I leaves, He goes
to Virginia, takes his team to an Orange Bowl, you know,
and then ends up at NC State too. That was
kind of interesting as a coordinator. Now he's retired from
Doctor and I. But like, as they get away, then
you're more grateful for them because you're like, oh, maybe
maybe isn't so bad. Maybe, But at the time they
were like, get him out, we're just so bad. Run
run past draw or whatever it is that they talk
about the like, oh, the draw, play the draw, play
down and he's going to do the draw playing.
Speaker 4: With a NYE.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what they played.
Speaker 4: They say, It's just it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeahs past draw, it was what it was.
Speaker 5: I think they say, yep, yeah, I think I think
this all stems from just kind of the culture of
the BYU fans, right, like, we have such high expectations
for our team, and it's it's because we've seen so
much success over the year at any level that we're
playing at whether that's in the Whack or the Mountain
West or Independent now in the Big twelve, like, we
fully expect our teams to play well. Yeah, and I'm
I'm fortunate in that, Like I have very few years
during my fandom where we've had a poor team.
Speaker 3: Since nineteen seventy two, you average, as a BYUVN you
win eight games a season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean we are spoiled rotten.
Speaker 3: We even during Independence, we're winning eight games on average
a season.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 3: Were off not we're going bowl games. So twenty seventeen
go to a bowl game, and then your first year
the Big twelve, twenty and twenty three didn't go to
a bowl game. Before that, it was two thousand and four.
You didn't go to a bowl game for two thousand two,
two thousand and three, two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: Prior to that.
Speaker 3: Man, I think you went to bowl games every single
year almost from like seventy four to two thousand and one.
I think you had I think you had consecutive bowl games.
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: I think you had. From seventy four to two thousand
and I think you went to bowl games every single season, yeah. So,
I mean, you think of that and.
Speaker 3: Like eight wins a season, you go to bowl games
every year minus like four times since nineteen seventy four,
You're like, I'm a little bit spot.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm a little bit in toitle. Maybe you know. Anyway,
to your point, you've been blessed as a BA fan.
Speaker 5: Talk to an Indiana fan, Talk to a Vanderbilt fan.
Talk to some of these teams that are now just
having success in recent years, but for decades they stunk,
you know what I mean, And we are spoiled. That's
not to say that we don't, like I was so
bummed when we found out that we weren't going to
the College Football Playoff. But at the same time, that
doesn't take away from the fact that we this season
was truly magical considering what we thought the season was
going to become.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I'll correct myself because it was a different era. Right, So,
just because you're bowl eligible doesn't mean you're going to
a bowl game. You missed out since n from nineteen
seventy four to two thousand and one, Okay, you missed
out on five bowl opportunities, right, so five out of
those years, only five years and then from from two
thousand and five to present day, there's only been two years,
so sixth what is that?
Speaker 2: Seven times? Is that right? Seven times? No? No, No,
I'm not very good at math. Yeah, yes, I think
seven times.
Speaker 3: Since nineteen seventy two, you haven't gone to a bowl
game some fifty years.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's blessed.
Speaker 3: And you're winning eight games this season, right, yeah, pretty impressive.
So I guess, uh, I guess we've addressed a couple
of questions. Okay, we've we've were somewhat transitioned over to hoop,
but we're still intrigued by football. For roster attrition, senior bowls,
getting prepped for the bowl game, you have the opportunity
to beat the top twenty five team. Do very rarely
in any in bowl history do you have an opportunity
to win and compete against a top twenty five team. Okay,
and traditionally in bowl games, By the way, when BYU plays,
do you know what they're they're they're winning percentages in
bowl games since nineteen seventy.
Speaker 4: Four, zero idea. But I assuem probably pretty high.
Speaker 2: Forty percent.
Speaker 5: Oh really less than I would have thought forty percent.
Speaker 2: Man in bowl games.
Speaker 3: Forty five now, sorry, forty one bowls they win forty
five percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, so eighteen and twenty two and one.
Speaker 5: Well, I guess we're gonna find out how good of
an OCU Roderk is.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna see, uh, you know what he can
do with some prep and U versus I mean, look
versus anyone not named Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: He's actually done pretty well this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 2: And Texas Tech very well could be the best defense
in college football.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's it's I mean, it's up there a.
Speaker 2: They're giving up eleven points a game.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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on the Live Steve. How you living, Buddy?
Speaker 6: I'm good, Ben. How are you my friend?
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doing fantastic living the dream man number one?
Speaker 2: How's the fam? How's work? How's life?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Life of glorious? FAM's great? Getting ready for Christmas? All
the things that go around, all the madness and the
method to the madness and everything above all of the above.
That's good, man, really good, Love.
Speaker 3: It man, Blessings on blessings. How would you describe this?
BYU Cougar football season? Right eleven and two, you're only
two losses or to the number four team in the country.
That number four team could be the national champion at
the end of the year. You're going to the Orlando
Pop Tarts Bowl and taking on a top twenty five opponent.
Speaker 2: In Georgia Tech. How would you describe this season?
Speaker 6: I believe I predicted. I believe it was nine and four.
So for me individually, it was a success, and I
think generally speaking, in my opinion, it's a it's a success.
I think what what is happening in the last three
years is there's now a pattern of consistency, and now
with that comes expectations, and you're always going to have
unrealistic expectations from the fan base, whatever school you're cheering for,
whatever NFL team or sports team or whatever. There's always
going to be that sect of fans that are very
unrealistic in the expectations. And that's fine, that's great. That's
what makes sports great too, because a fan is a
is short for fanatic, right, that's kind of That's a
great thing about sports and following a team and getting
behind someone and supporting them almost till death to his part.
It's in some facets of that. I don't go to
that extreme, but for me, it was a success for
many of the things you just outlined. Our two losses
are from you know, a lot of pundits could be
a national champion twenty twenty six. When it's all said
and done, they have a extraordinary defense. They're also building
a program of consistency. Jack was not even when the
leech was there, and Mahomes and you know, they started
to be on the radar, but still they were, you know,
their best string of victories or when loss records were
probably nine and three and eight and four, and they
were never in the national picture ever, at least in football.
And so there's a lot of up and comers, and
I think BYU is now is returning to that pattern
of consistency over the last couple of years. And sure
expectations are going to be a little bit hard, but
our expectations aren't going to be any higher than the
head coach himself, or a Rod or Jay Hill themselves,
or the players themselves. So I mean, that's it's not
gonna be anything foreign to those guys because they're they're
not competing against teams a lot of times, they're competing
against themselves. And how can they can better themselves? Klania,
how can he better himself as a head football coach
and a leader of b YU football. And so we
always have. I mean, if you're you're done it the
right way. These these realistic expectations that are also measurable.
So in sport you measure success or failure really by
wins and losses, and sometimes that's very unfair in sports.
That's why we keep score. There's a winner and there's
a loser. Unts your plays off, then there could be
a tie. But I digress. And so for me long answer,
short answer, yes, absolutely a success.
Speaker 2: So an overachieving success.
Speaker 3: It sounds like from your your your evaluation, right, an
overachieving success. Going eleven and two, you predicted nine and
four correct, Okay, even though it was the better throwing
right handed Tim Tebo that was leading BYU to glorin victory,
you said nine and four, right.
Speaker 6: That's right, that's right. You know what you know and
you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: So for those b YU fans that are a little
troubled by the offense still, they feel like, hey, we're
missing something offensively, A rod is missing something offensive.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm getting back, right.
Speaker 3: They they're very happy about the defense, very happy about
special teams.
Speaker 2: Overall the last couple of years, they feel like there's.
Speaker 3: A little bit of a void, a little bit of need,
a much needed improvement somewhere, and they want an analyst
to come in and support a rod.
Speaker 2: What's your reaction to that?
Speaker 3: When you hear those commentaries, those evaluation from fans, I mean,
I mean, I'm getting hit up about it, right, They're like, hey,
why not get an analyst like Gary Anderson that on
the office side of the ball.
Speaker 2: That's what they're saying.
Speaker 6: Your reaction, right, boy, offense is very very difficult to
call to manage, to coordinate.
Speaker 3: And everybody knows you were how long did you coach?
How long did you play college ball?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And then how how many years did you coach and
coordinate on the offense side of the ball, And for like,
you know, give me a litt little bit of the
resume so that we know what we're talking about here
when we're where we're talking ball here and coordinating on
the offense side of the ball.
Speaker 6: Well, I always played I on the offense side of
the wall, playing quarterback my entire life.
Speaker 3: All Americans coming out of high school in Texas, Okay,
all American went to UT right and then transferred to BYU.
Speaker 6: Correct, there's two plays in high school when I was
a sophomore, and once I got in on defense, we're
beating the team fifty six to nothing. One of our
safeties goes down and right next I'm standing right next
to the defensive corderor I got my helmet off, like
I'm done for the game this second half and we're
whooping these dudes, and he's looking around he needs a
sub right now, Clement's go in. Well, I'm a sophomore, okay.
And Dad was never he was my coach, and he
would never allow me to play defense ever, because if
he loses me, you don't just lose, you know, a
really good quarterback, you lose a second position on defense too, Right,
So I couldn't hold, I couldn't pond. I could do
anything but throw the freaking pigskin because people are going
to take cheap shots, and so I did that. I
had the same philosophy or my quarterbacks when I coached
in high school. So I coached in high school. After that,
I'm still coaching. So it's been thirty years and outside
of the last couple of years on the fifth grade
B team team, I've coached offense. I was a defensive
coordinator for this fifth grade team last year. But yeah,
the majority ninety five percent of my coaching career was
on the offensive side, and so I get it, like
I understand it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when you hear that, that's the feedback that
I'm getting right now, your reaction to it, and you
were saying how difficult it is.
Speaker 6: So I will say I was at the game in
Cowboys Stadium and I was frustrated. Uh, I yelled for
the first time. I haven't. I don't typically yell in
person at a game because until well, you really think
they can hear you. It's like yelling, you know, through
the TV. But some way somewhere in your brain you're like, yeah,
they're gonna they're gonna hear this one. They might not
hear everybody else, but watch, they're gonna hear this, and
they're gonna change and they're gonna do what I want
them to do. I was frustrated we were not throwing
the ball down the field vertically. In the West Coast offense,
we learned to stretch. We're not just stretching horizontally. You
stretch vertically too. Even if a receiver is at thirty
yards down the field. And you throw it at fifty,
the dB has to least at some point go I
may need to take it a half a step back
because there is a threat. There is a potential for
us to go down the field and having an explosive
play over the top of me. And I was very
frustrated that we didn't push the ball vertically down the field,
except really for the one time we had to pass
interference call and got us fifteen yards but against the
Chase Roberts, I believe. But other than that, it was
we were going east and west with our program, you know,
and that was yeah, I was. I was frustrated with it,
and I probably I think what a wader was probably
trying to do, or trying to wear out the defensive
line and run them east and west back and forth.
That's a conjecture on my part because again it's really
really hard. But at the same time, yeah, I was
highly frustrated. I think we should had thrown the ball
generally more throughout the year, as Bear progressed in the
throw game than we did. He is extremely accurate and
way more accurate than I probably gave him credit for.
But only seeing him, you know, just before the season
in practice, like, yeah, he can throw it too. You
hear about the running and you see the legs and
the backside, and you're like, Okay, he's gonna be a dude.
But yeah, there's he's gonna be a better throwing Tim Peele.
He's way better throwing than Tim Deepot. But I thought
coming into the season, yeah he's a little bit better.
No no, no, no, no, he's way better. And I think
it at some point, hopefully this next year or maybe
even this or bowl game, we just cut him loose
and give him fifty six attempts and go, okay, let's go,
let's get ready for next year. We're gonna we're gonna
throw the crap out of the ball bowl game, last
game of the year. Let's let's take the training wheels
off and let's go.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So that being said, it sounds like you're open to
a senior analyst coming into UH maybe aid.
Speaker 2: And support a rod. How difficult is that though?
Speaker 3: To have someone in here, you gotta trust them, at
a senior analyst that you really trust, that you have
great rapport with. Right like that, that's not you know, confrontational,
and that is.
Speaker 2: UH on the team.
Speaker 3: You know, what I mean, they're an analyst, right, who's
the who's the perfect who's the perfect analyst? The senior
analyst to be right there next to a rod in
the booth, helping him call plays, telling.
Speaker 2: Them, Hey, let's push the ball downfield.
Speaker 3: I think we can get We have a few wide
shoes that can win on the outside.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'll do it. Let's I mean, why not, let's go.
I don't know. That's a good question, I I I
haven't thought about that until you just said it. As
far as bringing an analysis analyst in on that side
of the ball, yeah, I know, coach Anderson's on the
defensive side of the ball. Wow, I don't know. I
have to really think about someone with that type of
experience that, like you said, has those qualities. It's it's
not one that's gonna go.
Speaker 2: You know the reason why I'm here a buck for
his job.
Speaker 3: And analyst that's in his he's in the twilight of
his career. He's been a head coach, he's been a DC,
he's like a part time senior analyst, and he's got
great rapport with Jay Hill, right, Like it is really
good balance in all that. Uh, you know, we've seen
Sark be an offensive analyst at Alabama when he was
kind of coming off of you know, it felt like
Nick Saban was the guy to bring in like head
coaches that had fallen from Grace, that had coordinating ability,
and then he'd pay him a nice salary to be
around one of the best programs, if not the best
program at the time. So like, you could do something
like that, Uh, there's no doubt about it. Or you
can bring in someone like Gary. I don't know what
the answer is, but I'm just id eighty here, this
is ah, this is radio right.
Speaker 2: Let me let me take a step back here.
Speaker 3: Who's the greatest offensive coordinator in BYU football history, Steve
And how many fans wanted him fired? What percentage of
fans wanted him fired even when he was at his.
Speaker 6: Peace that yeah, well that's norm shout.
Speaker 2: And about half of them want him fired.
Speaker 6: Well, I was one of them, and I played because
and and and but I will I will always say this,
even though there was something said and represented that didn't
necessarily come true when I was there playing, I have
never ever denied the fact that I think he was
the greatest offensive line in football in that era because
his ability to really adjust on the fly, not just
have a great game plan, but adjust on the fly.
And he didn't coach the quarterbacks, he didn't coach the receivers,
he didn't coach alignment. He coached every single position down
to how to break on a curl route or I mean,
he was so smart at every position and knew exactly
what everybody needed to do and how to get there
and the techniques that was required to get there. Man,
when you have one of your philosophies is well, I
think the biggest fillot, the one that stands out the most,
is I want somebody to who makes plays. I don't
care what they look like. I don't care how tall, short, fast, slow, whatever.
Can you make plays? Period? Now you would take specifically
to the receivers. He would say the I'm gonna get
this right. Dredge is gonna kill me if I don't
get this right. The difficult catches a routine. The impossible
catches just take a little bit more time. So there
was really no room for error with his philosophy, especially
with receivers. I mean, he was a mini perfectionist, and
he was really really good at what he did. A master,
I think of it. Even though we had our differences
as far as playing time and whatever else, I'm not
denying the fact that the man was a freaking genius.
And a lot of what Leech learned was from obviously
BYU and Norm was there so and learned from those
guys as well. I don't know what he's doing, but
I know he's been retired for quite some time.
Speaker 2: He's seventy nineties alost eighty enormous.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, and I think he got more into the
you know, when he went pro there the latter part
of his career, he was already gearing his offense towards
that more of a run dominating offense that he had
kind of moved away from, you know, the fifty two
to fifty two tig in San Diego State, the Aztecs
back in the day in the early nineties, in those
type of games that we had, and they're in the
early nineties when I was playing there. But uh, yeah,
I don't have to think about a name as far
as that's concerned. Now you look at Starky's in I
don't think he's the one that's ever going to give
that up. Like if they were bringing analysis in there.
What he did early at ut he brought an analyst in,
but it was Gary Patterson had TCU. Well, he's a
defensive guy. As an offensive coach, that was more for
the defensive side, and so I don't know if he'd
even you know, want analyst around. I mean, if if
it was somebody like Kiffin or somebody, But that's not
happening anytime soon. So I don't know. That's that's actually
that's a really good question on who. I don't think
about that.
Speaker 3: Hey, Mat well, hey search pond and pranod and prep
prep you for it. But at just had a little
ideation session with you here on your Utah ESPN Radio Network.
Steve Plemmet's former BWE quarterback here on your on your.
Speaker 2: Cougar Sports show.
Speaker 3: Last thing before we let you go, Steve, If b
YU wins, okay, Like does your satisfaction and how you
view this season is some of it determined about how
bo you finishes this season at the bowl game. You
got to get a win for this to be like
one of the best seasons in BWA football history.
Speaker 6: No, uh huh, I don't, I really don't. I think
I think we got shrew not being in the playoffs
right now, and so once that happened, it was and
I still think, again that's tongue in cheek. I'm still
I still think we had a successful season overall. I
think we had a successful season even before we played
the championship game, regardless of the outcome, but especially now,
both games are just a man, those are those are
tough because after a season like this and it's it's
really good, and then it's like you kind of fall
off the cliff and psychologically and mentally and we're almost there,
and then we have to rely on a group of
you know, people to decide whether we're in this college
football playoffs or not. And and really not based on
resume per se, because I mean, we had one of
the better resumes in those you know latter six teams
that made it. Uh maybe not the first six or
seven there it is, but you know the latter part
of seven, eight through twelve. But we got punished for
playing in a championship game Alabama did not, and then
our record spoke for itself, and yeah, we just we
got the raw end of the deal. But I, at
least in my mind, I think I thought it was
already a success before that, so nothing's gonna change my
mind anything that happens from here on out.
Speaker 3: So let's go Steve Clemens, Ladies and gentlemen. Steve always
appreciate our time together. Thanks for hopping on. We'll catch
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Speaker 6: Hi, brother, take care man.
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