Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. When
Speaker 1: it comes to Brian Cohberger and the murders in Moscow,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest pieces of evidence that the police
Speaker 1: have in their possession, most certainly is his vehicle. Considering
Speaker 1: how gruesome the crime scene is or was, you would
Speaker 1: have to think that Brian Colberger had blood on him
Speaker 1: or some sort of DNA on him. If he's the
Speaker 1: man the government's telling us he is when he got
Speaker 1: into that vehicle, and if he did and there was
Speaker 1: any DNA on him whatsoever, they're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: find it in that vehicle. They're gonna pull everything apart,
Speaker 1: like we saw in the warrants. They pulled out the cushions,
Speaker 1: they pulled out the visors, everything, they're ripping it apart,
Speaker 1: and they're testing all of that material that they pull out.
Speaker 1: And if there's even one little speck of DNA on that,
Speaker 1: Brian Colberger is as good as cooked. And I would
Speaker 1: be shocked at this point if it comes out later
Speaker 1: on that they didn't find any DNA in that car,
Speaker 1: If they didn't find anything in that car, that might
Speaker 1: be something that goes as a check mark towards Coburger right,
Speaker 1: as far as the jury's concerned. Anyway, his attorney can
Speaker 1: get up there and say, look, there wasn't any DNA
Speaker 1: in this car. You mean to tell me that this
Speaker 1: dude went in there and killed four people and didn't
Speaker 1: bring any DNA with him back to his vehicle. That'll
Speaker 1: be the argument if they can't find any DNA here.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting to see what they pull
Speaker 1: from this car when all is said and done. Today
Speaker 1: we have an article talking about this from Newsweek headline
Speaker 1: why Brian Coberger's car could be a key to the case,
Speaker 1: according to a former CIA officer. This article was authored
Speaker 1: by Kalita Rockman. Brian Coberger's HONDEI Lantra will be the
Speaker 1: key to the case against him, according to a former
Speaker 1: CIA officer. I agree with that. I think that this
Speaker 1: car is gonna pay off in spades when all is
Speaker 1: said and done. And I think that literally, it's a
Speaker 1: rolling crime scene. And unless he had plastic everywhere in
Speaker 1: the car, you know, over the seats, everywhere, I mean everywhere,
Speaker 1: chances are these investigators are going to find some DNA. Coburger,
Speaker 1: twenty eight, is accused of breaking into a rental home
Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho, in the early hours of November thirteenth,
Speaker 1: and fatally stabbing Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and
Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin. The four were students at the University of Idaho,
Speaker 1: and at the time of the slayings, Coburger was a
Speaker 1: PhD student at Washington State University in nearby Pullman. He
Speaker 1: has not yet entered a plea to four counts of
Speaker 1: first degree murder and one count of burglary, but a
Speaker 1: previous lawyer said he was eager to be exonerated. A
Speaker 1: preliminary hearing is scheduled for late June, and we know
Speaker 1: that he is going to plead not guilty. At this point,
Speaker 1: there's no way that he's going to get up there
Speaker 1: in June and say, yup, you know what I did it.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to take my punishment, especially now that we
Speaker 1: have heard that the governor has signed into law death
Speaker 1: by firing squad. Pretty sure Brian Coberger doesn't want to
Speaker 1: deal with that. Police searched Coburger's Hondai a Lantra as
Speaker 1: well as his family's home following his arrest. At his
Speaker 1: family's home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, and we went through
Speaker 1: that warrant, and in that warrant it told us what
Speaker 1: they took out of that car. A whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean a shovel, tire, iron, the visor, seat cushions,
Speaker 1: the door handle, all kinds of stuff, and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff is going to be run through the ringer
Speaker 1: and tested for the DNA of the Moscow four. They
Speaker 1: took a door panel, seat cushions, headrests, a seat belt advisor,
Speaker 1: and breaking gas pedals from the car, according to court
Speaker 1: documents unsealed earlier this month, police also seized hiking boots,
Speaker 1: a shovel, goggles, gloves, floor mats, a band aid, maps, documents,
Speaker 1: and other items from the vehicle. So he had that
Speaker 1: shovel in there, those hiking boots. My guess is this, folks,
Speaker 1: And this is what I've said from the beginning. After
Speaker 1: Brian Koberger allegedly murdered the Moscow for he took that
Speaker 1: long route home so that he could get rid of
Speaker 1: all of this shit, have a burn pit, dig a hole,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And that's where the shovel came into play.
Speaker 1: As far as the hiking boots. Who knows. Living out
Speaker 1: in Idaho, Washington, you know, Pullmon area, hiking is a
Speaker 1: big activity for people, and I don't find it that
Speaker 1: strange that he had hiking boots in his car. In fact,
Speaker 1: I keep a fully stocked bag in my car just
Speaker 1: in case I ever want to go climb or go
Speaker 1: on a hike. So I understand that part of it.
Speaker 1: But when you look at it in the totality of
Speaker 1: what happened here, or what the government tells us what
Speaker 1: happened anyway, there's no other reason for him to go
Speaker 1: home the long way like he did unless he's trying
Speaker 1: to get rid of some kind of evidence. That evidence
Speaker 1: will be crucial to the prosecution's case. Tracy Walder, a
Speaker 1: former CIA officer and FBI agent, told News Nation, I've
Speaker 1: always felt that the car was the key to this case,
Speaker 1: and I've said that really all along, she said, and
Speaker 1: she has been pretty consistent with that commentary. And once
Speaker 1: we found out about the car, I knew that eventually
Speaker 1: when they found it, it would be a treasure trove
Speaker 1: for the investigators because there's no way that he hid
Speaker 1: all of that DNA if he had it on him
Speaker 1: when he got in that car, some of it got somewhere,
Speaker 1: and with as crazy as the forensic teams go looking
Speaker 1: for this stuff once it's in their possession, I find
Speaker 1: it hard to believe that they're not going to come
Speaker 1: away with something and something significant. They did say that
Speaker 1: in the warrant that became unsealed that the car really
Speaker 1: had been disassembled completely by law enforcement, and that's what
Speaker 1: you'll see a lot in cases like this drug cases.
Speaker 1: The cobs will pull your car apart until it's nothing
Speaker 1: but bolts. She said. Investigators would be searching for any
Speaker 1: biological evidence that might have been left in the nooks
Speaker 1: and crannies of the car, and checking if the vehicle
Speaker 1: had been tampered with in an attempt to cover up
Speaker 1: any crime. And what they'll do there is they'll look
Speaker 1: for any kind of excessive cleaning, any kind of you know,
Speaker 1: substances used that shouldn't be used in a car, you know, bleach,
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and all of that sounds insignificant, but
Speaker 1: when it's added to the totality of what we already
Speaker 1: know and brought before the jurors, it's going to weigh
Speaker 1: very large and heavy. Experts have previously told Newsweek how
Speaker 1: prosecutors could use Coburger's vehicle to make the case against Coburger.
Speaker 1: If investigators have identified blood or any other trace evidence
Speaker 1: from the victims in Coburger's vehicle, that would be huge.
Speaker 1: Joseph Gaclone, adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
Speaker 1: is said, if they can uncover evidence of trying to
Speaker 1: get rid of evidence, such as bleach, that will also
Speaker 1: be damaging for the defense. Absolutely. You know, all of
Speaker 1: these little mundane things, they don't seem like they are
Speaker 1: important or like they matter, But in the grand scheme
Speaker 1: of things, when we're talking about the totality of the
Speaker 1: case and presenting the evidence as a grand sum to
Speaker 1: the jury, all of that stuff is super important because
Speaker 1: they're all ties that bind, and when you weave a
Speaker 1: web like this, all of these ties end up connecting
Speaker 1: to each other, and that's what gives you, as a prosecutor,
Speaker 1: a winning case. Investigators honed in on Coburger as the
Speaker 1: suspect in the killings after searching for a white sedan
Speaker 1: that was seen near the home at the time of
Speaker 1: the killings. According to the probable cause affidavid, investigators narrowed
Speaker 1: the vehicle down to the twenty eleven through twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: white HONDEI a Lantra and told regional law enforce Horse
Speaker 1: meant to be on the lookout for a vehicle matching
Speaker 1: that description. And when they first came out, remember, they
Speaker 1: weren't willing to say if he was a person of
Speaker 1: interest or just somebody who had critical knowledge of the murders.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that was gamesmanship on behalf of
Speaker 1: the prosecution. On November twenty ninth, a Washington State University
Speaker 1: officer found the twenty fifteen Hondai A Lantra registered to Coburger.
Speaker 1: Another officer that day saw Coburger's vehicle in a parking lot,
Speaker 1: looked up his name, and noted he had switched his
Speaker 1: car registration from Pennsylvania to Washington on November eighteenth, five
Speaker 1: days after the murders, completely suspect, even though it was
Speaker 1: due to be changed. When you're somebody who committed a
Speaker 1: murder or murderers, like they say Brian Coberger did, the
Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is get on their
Speaker 1: radar at all. He should have got rid of this
Speaker 1: car right away. Hell, he should have never used this
Speaker 1: car in the first to commit these murders. Talk about
Speaker 1: world's dumbest criminals. The affidavit said investigators looked at Coburger's
Speaker 1: history and saw he had given a deputy a cell
Speaker 1: phone number during an August traffic stop. They used surveillance
Speaker 1: footage and cell phone data to sketch out a possible
Speaker 1: travel route on the night of the killings. FBI agents
Speaker 1: later surveilled Coburger as he made a cross country drive
Speaker 1: with his father in the Elantra to his parents' home
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania in mid December. So this guy knew that
Speaker 1: everybody was looking for this Lantra and he still had
Speaker 1: the audacity to drive it across country with his dad.
Speaker 1: Imagine having that kind of hubris and at all points
Speaker 1: to him being a narcissist. He was arrested after DNA
Speaker 1: recovered from the trash discarded from the family's home was
Speaker 1: connected to DNA found on a knife sheath found at
Speaker 1: the crime scene. Look, folks, there's no doubt that the
Speaker 1: car is going to prove crucial here. And the question
Speaker 1: obviously is have they found anything in that car, And
Speaker 1: we just don't know yet. What we do know for
Speaker 1: sure is that those warrants were executed, and we know
Speaker 1: that those items were taken from the car and they're
Speaker 1: now being tested or have been tested, and if it
Speaker 1: comes back when those results are in that there's any
Speaker 1: DNA from any of these victims in that car, well, folks,
Speaker 1: you can line Brian Coohberger up right against the wall,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody that's gonna do it for this one.
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