WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:04.839 What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. When 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:08.080 it comes to Brian Cohberger and the murders in Moscow, 3 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:11.720 one of the biggest pieces of evidence that the police 4 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:16.559 have in their possession, most certainly is his vehicle. Considering 5 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:19.559 how gruesome the crime scene is or was, you would 6 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:22.679 have to think that Brian Colberger had blood on him 7 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.160 or some sort of DNA on him. If he's the 8 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.640 man the government's telling us he is when he got 9 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:30.239 into that vehicle, and if he did and there was 10 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.600 any DNA on him whatsoever, they're gonna be able to 11 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:37.159 find it in that vehicle. They're gonna pull everything apart, 12 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.399 like we saw in the warrants. They pulled out the cushions, 13 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:43.679 they pulled out the visors, everything, they're ripping it apart, 14 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:47.840 and they're testing all of that material that they pull out. 15 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:51.000 And if there's even one little speck of DNA on that, 16 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.719 Brian Colberger is as good as cooked. And I would 17 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:57.079 be shocked at this point if it comes out later 18 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:59.960 on that they didn't find any DNA in that car, 19 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:02.960 If they didn't find anything in that car, that might 20 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.480 be something that goes as a check mark towards Coburger right, 21 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:10.840 as far as the jury's concerned. Anyway, his attorney can 22 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.560 get up there and say, look, there wasn't any DNA 23 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:15.519 in this car. You mean to tell me that this 24 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:17.879 dude went in there and killed four people and didn't 25 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.599 bring any DNA with him back to his vehicle. That'll 26 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:24.280 be the argument if they can't find any DNA here. 27 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.799 So it's gonna be interesting to see what they pull 28 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.959 from this car when all is said and done. Today 29 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:35.560 we have an article talking about this from Newsweek headline 30 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:39.560 why Brian Coberger's car could be a key to the case, 31 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:43.840 according to a former CIA officer. This article was authored 32 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:49.719 by Kalita Rockman. Brian Coberger's HONDEI Lantra will be the 33 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.920 key to the case against him, according to a former 34 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.239 CIA officer. I agree with that. I think that this 35 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.120 car is gonna pay off in spades when all is 36 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.359 said and done. And I think that literally, it's a 37 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:05.799 rolling crime scene. And unless he had plastic everywhere in 38 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:09.199 the car, you know, over the seats, everywhere, I mean everywhere, 39 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:14.800 chances are these investigators are going to find some DNA. Coburger, 40 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:17.560 twenty eight, is accused of breaking into a rental home 41 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:21.280 in Moscow, Idaho, in the early hours of November thirteenth, 42 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:26.319 and fatally stabbing Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and 43 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:30.599 Ethan Chapin. The four were students at the University of Idaho, 44 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.680 and at the time of the slayings, Coburger was a 45 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:38.439 PhD student at Washington State University in nearby Pullman. He 46 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.960 has not yet entered a plea to four counts of 47 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.240 first degree murder and one count of burglary, but a 48 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:47.960 previous lawyer said he was eager to be exonerated. A 49 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.360 preliminary hearing is scheduled for late June, and we know 50 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.879 that he is going to plead not guilty. At this point, 51 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:56.639 there's no way that he's going to get up there 52 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:58.960 in June and say, yup, you know what I did it. 53 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.759 I'm willing to take my punishment, especially now that we 54 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.560 have heard that the governor has signed into law death 55 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:09.840 by firing squad. Pretty sure Brian Coberger doesn't want to 56 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:14.000 deal with that. Police searched Coburger's Hondai a Lantra as 57 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:17.520 well as his family's home following his arrest. At his 58 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.400 family's home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, and we went through 59 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.319 that warrant, and in that warrant it told us what 60 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.039 they took out of that car. A whole bunch of stuff. 61 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:32.360 I mean a shovel, tire, iron, the visor, seat cushions, 62 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.240 the door handle, all kinds of stuff, and all of 63 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.199 that stuff is going to be run through the ringer 64 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:43.240 and tested for the DNA of the Moscow four. They 65 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.960 took a door panel, seat cushions, headrests, a seat belt advisor, 66 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:50.199 and breaking gas pedals from the car, according to court 67 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:55.680 documents unsealed earlier this month, police also seized hiking boots, 68 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:01.800 a shovel, goggles, gloves, floor mats, a band aid, maps, documents, 69 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:05.120 and other items from the vehicle. So he had that 70 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.599 shovel in there, those hiking boots. My guess is this, folks, 71 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:11.800 And this is what I've said from the beginning. After 72 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:16.480 Brian Koberger allegedly murdered the Moscow for he took that 73 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.720 long route home so that he could get rid of 74 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.680 all of this shit, have a burn pit, dig a hole, 75 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.720 whatever it was. And that's where the shovel came into play. 76 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:29.480 As far as the hiking boots. Who knows. Living out 77 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.079 in Idaho, Washington, you know, Pullmon area, hiking is a 78 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.759 big activity for people, and I don't find it that 79 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:38.839 strange that he had hiking boots in his car. In fact, 80 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.720 I keep a fully stocked bag in my car just 81 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:43.920 in case I ever want to go climb or go 82 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.160 on a hike. So I understand that part of it. 83 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:48.839 But when you look at it in the totality of 84 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.240 what happened here, or what the government tells us what 85 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.079 happened anyway, there's no other reason for him to go 86 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:56.839 home the long way like he did unless he's trying 87 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.680 to get rid of some kind of evidence. That evidence 88 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.079 will be crucial to the prosecution's case. Tracy Walder, a 89 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:10.079 former CIA officer and FBI agent, told News Nation, I've 90 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.279 always felt that the car was the key to this case, 91 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.720 and I've said that really all along, she said, and 92 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.680 she has been pretty consistent with that commentary. And once 93 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:22.759 we found out about the car, I knew that eventually 94 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.240 when they found it, it would be a treasure trove 95 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:29.519 for the investigators because there's no way that he hid 96 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:31.959 all of that DNA if he had it on him 97 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:34.800 when he got in that car, some of it got somewhere, 98 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.680 and with as crazy as the forensic teams go looking 99 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.839 for this stuff once it's in their possession, I find 100 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:43.879 it hard to believe that they're not going to come 101 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:49.079 away with something and something significant. They did say that 102 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:52.120 in the warrant that became unsealed that the car really 103 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:56.000 had been disassembled completely by law enforcement, and that's what 104 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:59.600 you'll see a lot in cases like this drug cases. 105 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.600 The cobs will pull your car apart until it's nothing 106 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:06.800 but bolts. She said. Investigators would be searching for any 107 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:09.879 biological evidence that might have been left in the nooks 108 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.519 and crannies of the car, and checking if the vehicle 109 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.360 had been tampered with in an attempt to cover up 110 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.600 any crime. And what they'll do there is they'll look 111 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.720 for any kind of excessive cleaning, any kind of you know, 112 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.480 substances used that shouldn't be used in a car, you know, bleach, 113 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.560 stuff like that, and all of that sounds insignificant, but 114 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.759 when it's added to the totality of what we already 115 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.959 know and brought before the jurors, it's going to weigh 116 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:40.879 very large and heavy. Experts have previously told Newsweek how 117 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:45.800 prosecutors could use Coburger's vehicle to make the case against Coburger. 118 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.240 If investigators have identified blood or any other trace evidence 119 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:55.279 from the victims in Coburger's vehicle, that would be huge. 120 00:06:55.519 --> 00:07:00.000 Joseph Gaclone, adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, 121 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.879 is said, if they can uncover evidence of trying to 122 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.879 get rid of evidence, such as bleach, that will also 123 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.439 be damaging for the defense. Absolutely. You know, all of 124 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:14.079 these little mundane things, they don't seem like they are 125 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.439 important or like they matter, But in the grand scheme 126 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.439 of things, when we're talking about the totality of the 127 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:24.399 case and presenting the evidence as a grand sum to 128 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.639 the jury, all of that stuff is super important because 129 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.519 they're all ties that bind, and when you weave a 130 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.839 web like this, all of these ties end up connecting 131 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.240 to each other, and that's what gives you, as a prosecutor, 132 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:42.839 a winning case. Investigators honed in on Coburger as the 133 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.920 suspect in the killings after searching for a white sedan 134 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.199 that was seen near the home at the time of 135 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:53.160 the killings. According to the probable cause affidavid, investigators narrowed 136 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:57.120 the vehicle down to the twenty eleven through twenty sixteen 137 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.199 white HONDEI a Lantra and told regional law enforce Horse 138 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.199 meant to be on the lookout for a vehicle matching 139 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.600 that description. And when they first came out, remember, they 140 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:08.920 weren't willing to say if he was a person of 141 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:13.800 interest or just somebody who had critical knowledge of the murders. 142 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.600 And a lot of that was gamesmanship on behalf of 143 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:23.000 the prosecution. On November twenty ninth, a Washington State University 144 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:27.879 officer found the twenty fifteen Hondai A Lantra registered to Coburger. 145 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:32.240 Another officer that day saw Coburger's vehicle in a parking lot, 146 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.320 looked up his name, and noted he had switched his 147 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:40.399 car registration from Pennsylvania to Washington on November eighteenth, five 148 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.759 days after the murders, completely suspect, even though it was 149 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.600 due to be changed. When you're somebody who committed a 150 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.279 murder or murderers, like they say Brian Coberger did, the 151 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:53.639 last thing you want to do is get on their 152 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.840 radar at all. He should have got rid of this 153 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.399 car right away. Hell, he should have never used this 154 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:02.600 car in the first to commit these murders. Talk about 155 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:08.440 world's dumbest criminals. The affidavit said investigators looked at Coburger's 156 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.240 history and saw he had given a deputy a cell 157 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:15.279 phone number during an August traffic stop. They used surveillance 158 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.320 footage and cell phone data to sketch out a possible 159 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.519 travel route on the night of the killings. FBI agents 160 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.399 later surveilled Coburger as he made a cross country drive 161 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.399 with his father in the Elantra to his parents' home 162 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:33.399 in Pennsylvania in mid December. So this guy knew that 163 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:36.879 everybody was looking for this Lantra and he still had 164 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:40.679 the audacity to drive it across country with his dad. 165 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.200 Imagine having that kind of hubris and at all points 166 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:51.399 to him being a narcissist. He was arrested after DNA 167 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:54.759 recovered from the trash discarded from the family's home was 168 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.759 connected to DNA found on a knife sheath found at 169 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:02.159 the crime scene. Look, folks, there's no doubt that the 170 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.440 car is going to prove crucial here. And the question 171 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.159 obviously is have they found anything in that car, And 172 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.320 we just don't know yet. What we do know for 173 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.080 sure is that those warrants were executed, and we know 174 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:17.919 that those items were taken from the car and they're 175 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.639 now being tested or have been tested, and if it 176 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.919 comes back when those results are in that there's any 177 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:29.480 DNA from any of these victims in that car, well, folks, 178 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.799 you can line Brian Coohberger up right against the wall, 179 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:36.000 all right, everybody that's gonna do it for this one. 180 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:38.679 All of the information that goes with the episode can 181 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:40.600 be found in the description box.