WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen? 2 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:12.560 Help? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:22.719 Help? 5 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:28.920 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. Got a very very special 6 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:31.399 episode today. I'm very excited to get this guest on. 7 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.399 But before we introduce the guest, we will introduce the 8 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.079 other rejects that are joining us today. 9 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:39.240 And we got my man, the Headless Giant. What is 10 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:39.679 going on? 11 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:39.920 Sir? 12 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:42.359 How are you to go on? 13 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.840 Happy Sunday? Everybody just got off of my trialogus, which 14 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.799 happens every Sunday in the morning, So I definitely check 15 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.679 that out. Me and Ricardo and Ethan go over a 16 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:57.039 bunch of different topics that seem unrelated but always end 17 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:58.719 up finding their way back to each other. 18 00:00:58.840 --> 00:00:59.399 That's awesome. 19 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:02.600 So I also have a Thursday show where I read 20 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:05.480 your occult emails and you can email them to me 21 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:08.640 at the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com and 22 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.799 we will read them out on Thursday nights around seven thirties. 23 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:12.680 Check it out. 24 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:14.959 Well, yeah, definitely send that email in And if you 25 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.319 didn't check out his trialog that he put out today, 26 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:20.280 go check it out after this. Thank you very much, 27 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:22.840 hell us. I appreciate you, sir and we got my 28 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:23.799 main Jules. 29 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:26.120 What is going on? Brother, Great to have you here. 30 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:31.079 Well, thank thanks for having me again. What's up, guys. 31 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.159 I'm Jewles, host of the Gray Pill Podcast. You can 32 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.959 find me on Twitter at gray Pilled Pod. I'm over 33 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:38.879 on Patreon. We do a lot of stuff over there. 34 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:43.879 Tonight Sunday Chaos, it's it's that Sunday. We do it 35 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:46.040 every other Sunday, so it's it's it's that time of 36 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:50.560 the month, nine o'clock on my Rumble channel. It's at 37 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:54.799 fire Pixie every Tuesday, I produce for a show called 38 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.680 Already Dead a thirty Central Jose Gallason and Austin p. 39 00:01:58.599 --> 00:01:59.840 The card I got. 40 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.799 I got three or four guests I guess coming on 41 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:10.120 in the next few weeks, Esoteric, Eddie, Gray Horn, Pagan, 42 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:16.120 a couple other ones coming on, so yeah, just stay 43 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:17.000 tuned for those. 44 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:17.960 But yeah, Nick, thanks for. 45 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:19.639 Having me on again, man, of course, and it's good 46 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.479 seeing all you fellas here too, and it's good meeting you. 47 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.560 Oh, thank you, sir. And we got my man Rick Hardle. 48 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:28.400 What is going on? So actually I had to thank 49 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.000 Ricardo for this guest, So thank. 50 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:31.199 You, sir. 51 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:35.120 Oh, not at all. It's it's I think that the 52 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.319 message that Vincent has to to tell us is quite 53 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.840 important and it's quite relevant to our times, especially in 54 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.840 regard of this apparent conspiracy to hide this kind of information. 55 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:50.039 So looking forward for his presentation today, so you can 56 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:53.599 find me at he got cavery one at access. It 57 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.960 is on the screen. I would like to plug the 58 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:01.560 Universe Unveiled podcast. It's a feminine podcaster. I strongly recommend 59 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:06.719 it's a It's a lot of fresh air that on 60 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.000 on on YouTube, so I hope you all enjoy it. 61 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:13.719 And institute Finatal Philosophy dot org, where you can find 62 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:17.400 our magazine that is free for watching or download, and 63 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:20.479 also my books The Resonance Earth if you are interested 64 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.000 in megalitic structures and their functionalities and how they could 65 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:29.000 possibly work and start us theies about us humans and 66 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:30.199 how we relate to one another. 67 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:33.680 And thanks and how they. 68 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:37.199 Oh boy, somebody's repeating, all right, thank you very much, Ricardo. 69 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.319 I appreciate that, and definitely definitely people go check out 70 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:43.919 his website and definitely check out Universe Unveiled. Two awesome 71 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.000 checks and they got you know, great stuff going on. 72 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.680 Definitely check out the show and uh ty Rome, my man. Nice, 73 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:52.599 but not least before the guests. How are you, sir? 74 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:57.000 What's up everybody. I'm glad to be here. Thank you 75 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.840 for having me, Nick Vince, I'm ready to hear what 76 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:02.159 you got to say. Man, I'm like saying, they are 77 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.159 very interested in this. I never heard about this until 78 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:06.800 just a few days ago, and I looked into it, 79 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:08.520 and I do have a couple of questions. 80 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.120 So yeah, I'm excited for this. 81 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:12.560 Everything you can find on me is on my website, 82 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.840 Rebirth of theWord dot com. And also my book Journey 83 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:19.319 through the Origins of History is on Amazon, and Ricardo's 84 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:23.480 books Resident Earth What Star Dust is also on Amazon. 85 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.279 Do not forget about that from What's your book as 86 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.199 much as you can Ricardo, like I said, thanks again, Nick, appreciate. 87 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:31.800 It of course, of course, no, thank you all for 88 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.199 making it. I appreciate it. And finally, to the guest himself, 89 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:38.079 we got Vincent Barrow's coming on. We got Vincent's Barrows on, 90 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:42.079 So please, sir, let us know what your deal is 91 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:43.680 and where they can find any of your stuff that 92 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:44.600 you want to promote. 93 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.399 So yeah, thanks for having me here. And I just 94 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:58.480 finished up another blog talk about the the journal, I 95 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.959 mean a journey from China all the way to North America. 96 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:09.839 And Laurie had talked about this about a trip that 97 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.399 the Chinese took in fourteen thirty and this was a 98 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.839 part of a time when the Chinese were voyaging out 99 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:22.079 with large treasure fleets and they made it all the 100 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:25.879 way to North Carolina. In Ashland, North Carolina, they found 101 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:30.040 the site and they actually left a medallion there and 102 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:35.920 it was inscribed with their symbol of the The Emperor 103 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.240 of China's symbol was on this medallion found near Ashland, 104 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:42.800 North Carolina. This is a real thing that was documented 105 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:48.160 in the journals of the Chinese explorers that date back 106 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:49.160 to fourteen thirty. 107 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:52.120 So they found the actual medallion there and. 108 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.040 They talked about the site and it had a lot 109 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:58.879 of details in their journal that matched the site and 110 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.800 the artifacts found out the correlate to what was described 111 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.279 in the Chinese journals. So things like in the journals 112 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:10.240 they said the heralding of the blowing of trumpets, Well, 113 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:14.120 they found figurines of trumpets at the site. They found 114 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:19.600 figurines of Mongol horsemen riding horses, figurines or sculptures of 115 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:26.600 people riding horses that were adorned in Mongolian armor, and 116 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:34.000 they looked just like the Mongolian horsemen riding the horses. 117 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:39.879 They found an ancestor shrine literally with every single clan 118 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:46.600 of the Ananabe that was depicted in the journals and 119 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:51.120 described as well. Some of them had been They used 120 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:53.600 totems as their name of their clan or their symbol, 121 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.160 like they had one that was called the catfish clan, 122 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:03.959 they had the eel clan, there was the deer clan. 123 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.720 Will go through examples, I'll show you what these look like. 124 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.439 But each of the clan symbols were depicted here and 125 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.399 they were found in the sculptures in North Carolina. And 126 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:17.000 they also had this artifact that was called the Gehera churn, 127 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.800 which is a very specific artifact that they used in 128 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:25.839 Tibet and China to make gerhura, which is like a butter. 129 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:31.920 They would churn the butter in a pottery bowl. And 130 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.600 this Gehera churn, well, it was found in North Carolina. 131 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:39.879 It's the only one found in this country that I'm 132 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:44.160 aware of, but it was probably from this treasure fleet 133 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.480 of the fourteen thirties from the Chinese as well. So 134 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:54.000 the Ashley, North Carolina treasure Medallion and all these other 135 00:07:54.120 --> 00:08:00.639 figurines probably were placed there or at least contributed to 136 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:06.600 from this Chinese voyage of fourteen thirty and the real 137 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.199 Guallei origins had just talked talked with Laurie about this. 138 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:15.839 They had discussed a lot of these figurines and and 139 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.800 the story of the treasure fleet that went around the 140 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.079 south coast of Africa all the way up through the 141 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:26.480 Atlantic and then landed in Cohochia Mountains in Illinois, and 142 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:30.680 then from that point they went to Ashland, North Carolina, 143 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:36.080 and they left this medallion in North Carolina. That was 144 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:38.960 that was found and it's real artifact that matches exactly 145 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:40.559 the journals of the Chinese. 146 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.519 So now you might have said this before, but and 147 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.440 I was looking at the chat just whatever it might 148 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:49.639 have escaped me. I didn't hear you. 149 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.639 Say, how was this? And this was found by who? 150 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.240 Like this was discovered and like like has anybody important 151 00:08:58.279 --> 00:08:59.759 actually looked at it and been like, oh this is 152 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:00.240 from then? 153 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:01.279 Yeah? 154 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.440 Can can everybody see my screen? I am I'm gonna 155 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.039 try to share. Yeah, I share this PowerPoint slide and 156 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:11.360 I'll talk about who had found it when it was 157 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:16.960 found right. So this is Mount Pishka, North Carolina. It's 158 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.960 the biggest artifact cash in the East coast. There there's 159 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.919 issues with museums removing things after they were after we 160 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.080 asked questions. They hid the results of the testing we 161 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.759 paid for and ordered they shut down future testing on these. 162 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.919 Also there's evidence of DeSoto multi racial village of Cahok, 163 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:41.440 Covik and Canuga meaning a mixed race ancestors shrine or 164 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:45.759 a place of meeting, place of many people. And so 165 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.120 we have three D scans and interesting figures to show. 166 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:51.480 So what we're talking about is three those there's four 167 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:55.440 mountains on the site. There's Mathers Mound, which is the 168 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:59.360 official site number thirty one h W one. There's Mound 169 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:04.720 two which is previously Mound three which was Plot Mound, 170 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:09.240 and Mount five which is Wells Mound. In eighteen seventy nine, 171 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:14.200 this place was excavated by Ben Valentine. So he was 172 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.440 a businessman. He was trying to make a museum. So 173 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:20.600 he worked with the local residents mister Osborne and Burnett, 174 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.159 and these were people who lived there at Mount Pishka. 175 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.480 They found out about the site and they started activating 176 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:29.000 the mountains and they found twenty five hundred figurines, and 177 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:31.799 then the Smithsonian came in and they said, oh, these 178 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.159 are potstone. They're unlike any other artifacts, so therefore they're 179 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:40.240 all fake. And the Smithsonian claimed that they were either 180 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:44.960 planted there to dupe the Valentines or to make them 181 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:51.200 credulous of some lost mound building culture. And they so 182 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:56.159 they sent another archaeologist, Emmert, to debunk the mound builder myth. 183 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:58.240 And then. 184 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:04.879 They said they found someone to make similar stone carvings, 185 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:08.360 so therefore they debunked all of these twenty five hundred 186 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:13.840 figurines in James Mooney in nineteen hundred wrote the Necessity 187 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.600 of strict Silence on the conduct and describing the site 188 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.600 legends where people were little people were legion, so in 189 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.360 other words, he said, they can't talk about this. Even 190 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.559 in nineteen hundred they were not allowed to talk about it. 191 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.759 And the site basically was put away in a vault 192 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.639 for one hundred and fifty years and no one did 193 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.159 any research on it because it was debunked as a 194 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:42.600 hoax or a plant. And the Garden Creek Archaeological Site 195 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:47.919 was on along the Pigeon river and it had several 196 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.480 phases of archaeological studies after that. But what happened was 197 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:55.240 the crew came alongside in eighteen seventy nine eighteen eighty 198 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.399 and they started digging the site. And this is a 199 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.679 picture of the crew in the middle of James Mooney 200 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:07.759 and and Valentine. And they dug up this site. It 201 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.000 had petroglyphs along the side. There were like ugi style 202 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.879 petrick glyffs. They dug the mound up and they found 203 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.759 out it was a twin earth lodge and it had 204 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:20.679 human skeletons in the mound. 205 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:23.399 And I don't think, not to interrupt you, Sorry to 206 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:25.159 interrupt you, but I don't think. Did you think the 207 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.080 picture changed, because it hasn't changed. 208 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:28.240 No, it hasn't changed. 209 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:29.080 Yeah. 210 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:30.440 I was gonna say, just let you know. 211 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:31.000 I'm sorry. 212 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:31.960 Yeah, you're good, You're good. 213 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:33.320 I just don't want to let me see if I 214 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:33.799 can go back. 215 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.000 I was like, he's kind of hovering the cursor over nothing, 216 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:37.559 So I'm assuming he thinks that something that. 217 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:40.360 I thought it was just my eyes. 218 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:41.480 I don't have my glasses. 219 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.799 Oh, thank you for telling me. I'll try to try 220 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:45.960 to get this to change here. 221 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:47.480 Yeah, yeah, we. 222 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:53.120 Didn't see the team nor the next slide. 223 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:58.279 Okay, yeah, I think you may want to go up 224 00:12:58.320 --> 00:12:59.000 a couple of slides. 225 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:04.039 Uh oh no, sorry, I'm having a little bit of 226 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:05.480 technically cut back. 227 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.799 No worries while you do that. I just want to 228 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:14.559 emphasize twenty five thousand figurines, Okay, no to two thousand 229 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:15.120 and five hundred. 230 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:15.440 Is that it? 231 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:19.480 Right? Two hundred figures, two thousand and five hundred figurines, right, 232 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:22.519 it's it's unbelievable. It's it's one of the biggest, if 233 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:25.039 not the biggest found in the America's. 234 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:30.360 Right fings, right, the biggest archaeological cash on the East Coast. Okay, 235 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:31.559 can everybody see that sline? 236 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:32.679 Yeah, now we can see it. 237 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:33.960 Yes, Okay, sorry about that. 238 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:35.879 So that that was the crew that was that was 239 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.039 out there on site to dig this place up. And 240 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.879 so they had around thirty people there on site and 241 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:50.639 they found these these petrogloffs and their ute petric gloffs. Wow, 242 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:53.320 there were this is so this is the mount itself 243 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:54.240 when they dug it. 244 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:54.679 Uh. 245 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.720 This this was a twin earth lodge and there were 246 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.799 skeletons found in the mount on the sitting on the 247 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.840 side and there was also wooden coffin, so wooden coffins 248 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:12.639 were there and they found skulls human skulls as well, 249 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:16.480 and this is one that was shown to Elizabeth. She 250 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.799 did determine that this damage on the skull is post 251 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:23.679 mortem damage. So there's quite a lot of evidence that 252 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:27.639 this skull was damaged and it was taken out of 253 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:32.960 the grave or mound at some point and kicked around 254 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:36.240 her damage and it looks like a bullet hole right 255 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:39.519 on the side of the skull here would be about 256 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:42.399 a forty five caliber to sixty five caliber bullet hole, 257 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:45.759 and it has a cracked fracture on the other side, 258 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.600 which would be the exit wound or exit side of 259 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:53.840 the bullet impact. These discolorations of the white colors are 260 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:01.799 evidence of post mortem fractures, so this skull also had 261 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:06.840 impacts on the back of the skull. Elizabeth said though 262 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:11.200 that the skull the person was over forty it was 263 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.720 an adult male, and she hypothesized that the cause of 264 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:19.519 death was dental related blood poisoning. 265 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:21.559 In the skull. 266 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:23.159 In this picture here at the lower draw, you can 267 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.240 see it was heavily damaged and she said that would 268 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:27.120 have been a. 269 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:28.679 Horrific way to die. 270 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.600 But she believes that this person and initially tried of 271 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.039 blood poisoning and then these other impacts and things that 272 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.159 you're seeing are post mortem impacts. And you can see 273 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:42.480 there's even some scuffing and kicking and the browser damaged. 274 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:48.120 These she said are post mortem damages. So that's consistent 275 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:49.840 with the Desto expedition. 276 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:51.080 And when de Soto. 277 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:55.399 Came on site, he said his crew or with his conquistors, 278 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:58.039 took these skulls out of the burial and kicked them 279 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:02.600 around and shot them and did horrible things to them. 280 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:04.960 I mean, he was very disrespectful. 281 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.840 And but that might be part of the reason this 282 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.120 site has been kept secret for so long is that 283 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.960 it was you know, it was part of the DeSoto 284 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:21.559 conquistadors that lived there. And the timeframe of the site 285 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:26.240 is complex. It has things like masdons like you see 286 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:32.440 here Masdon figurines, and there were four of these found 287 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:37.559 in this cash of twenty five hundred figurines. There were 288 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:42.679 also things like bannerstones. Of bannerstones are archaic type of 289 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:47.440 artifacts from around four thousand BC, so we're talking six 290 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:52.120 thousand years ago when these these would have been made. 291 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:59.600 And the figurines also included. It looks like pipe group 292 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:07.000 smoking the water pipe and in a circular cross hatched pattern, 293 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.200 and on one and the other side is that bifurcated 294 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:15.799 semi circle and the figurines are shaking hands or having 295 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:27.000 advocations of peace. And this next one shows some of 296 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:31.680 them were apparently male and female figurines and inside of 297 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:33.880 a bear. I mean this is on one side it 298 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.359 shows these two holding hands and then in the bear. 299 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:39.279 The other side is. 300 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:44.880 A fully sculptured bear carving. And the majority of these 301 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.839 figurines were well they're all different, but they had this 302 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.559 cross hatching or nested chevrons, and some people say that's 303 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:58.039 the symbol for the bear or a ancestral pattern. 304 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:02.880 It's a common art motif that was used. And you 305 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:03.559 see a lot of. 306 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.839 Them show like humans being eaten by bears, and the 307 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.240 bear was one of the clans as we know, the 308 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.880 bear clean wasn't important and he should not big clean. 309 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:16.720 There were others like this that showed the puma or 310 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:21.720 cat and people holding pottery on their heads, like thus 311 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:26.000 carrying pottery like a water bowl. This one looks like 312 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:31.119 a lizard holding a staff, almost a Kimona dragon lizard 313 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.440 and these the lizard effigy was I mean, the lizard 314 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:35.160 was its totem. 315 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:40.599 The you that looks like the moon eyed people? 316 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:43.160 Man, do you know who that is? Yeah, that's right, 317 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:44.200 the mooneyed people. 318 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:45.160 Yeah. 319 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.640 The one in the middle looks like the mooneyed people, 320 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:51.200 like almost identical. 321 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:53.240 Who said the same as the ant people. 322 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:56.759 That's from the Cherokee legends. 323 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:00.240 Right, The Cherokee legends talk about the moon eyed people 324 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.119 in great detail, and a lot of these you'll see 325 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:11.160 that type of face MOONEI This depiction and legends are 326 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:17.359 very prolific about the moon eyed people in the Jerokeees 327 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.559 and in this area. And then there's also things like 328 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:24.279 these cross hatched vessels and teacups. 329 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:29.200 There were hundreds of these. 330 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.400 I mean, they're just so prolific, and they're all very 331 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:38.160 finely crafted. Every one of these figurines has charcoal or 332 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:40.759 smell of smoke on the surface of it, like it 333 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:45.920 had been in a fire. And well, like I mentioned this, Zithsonian, 334 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.079 as soon as they heard about the site, they sent 335 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:53.880 they sent this god down to debunk the site, and 336 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:59.319 they called these bogus in this article from eighteen ninety 337 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.559 to clar these are bogus articles and it and it's 338 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.960 a bird figuring. And there were others like pipe with 339 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.319 the hands cut off and the arms cut off, pipe figurings, 340 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.359 and they just declared them all hoaxes or bogus. And 341 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:17.279 this is one of the things that it's like, well, 342 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:20.759 why would someone fake that or make a bogus pipe 343 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:23.319 and a bogus bird. Well it turns out that they're 344 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:28.640 not bogus, and these have been authenticated. Now we've we've 345 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:35.119 used thermal iluminescence and authenticated these the pottery bowls and 346 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:41.720 the figurines where we had two positively authenticated as pottery, 347 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:44.319 and originally they were thought to have all been made 348 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:46.920 of stone, so thermo iluminescence would not have been a 349 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:50.920 viable option, but the pottery once in particular, we selected. 350 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:52.759 Yes. 351 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:55.720 Can I ask for a minute, do you know who 352 00:20:55.799 --> 00:21:00.000 the scientists were involved in declaring those bogus? 353 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:08.720 Yes, it was Charles Raw and James Emmertentually. Charles Row 354 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:13.480 in eighteen eighty three wrote an article he said these 355 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:16.599 are fakes because there's nothing else like it, and he 356 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:26.240 said they're either carved by someone who was early historic period, 357 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:34.279 or or that they had been fakes, but he didn't 358 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:37.160 know who carved them and didn't study them. He just 359 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.920 kind of put them in the drawer and they were 360 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.559 not researched at all since then. 361 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:49.079 And it would interesting to see if somebody could foia 362 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:52.160 something with their names on it back then, to see 363 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:54.039 if there are any internal memos. 364 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:59.200 Oh, yeah, I done that. I have done that. I 365 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:01.599 have all their internal correspondence and everything. 366 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:07.720 And in fact, what they did was they sent James 367 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:12.559 Emmer to the site to debunk these, and he paid 368 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:17.720 somebody to fabricate new ones. He paid them about thirty 369 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:22.039 dollars dollars at the time, which is a lot, but he. 370 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:24.160 Said he paid them. And then. 371 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:29.039 And then they took these back to the Smithsonian and said, well, 372 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:31.480 there now we know we can pay someone to make them, 373 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:33.720 so therefore all the other ones are fake too, And. 374 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:38.599 It just was not studied after that. 375 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.920 And well now we know that they're not fake because 376 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:45.839 they've been authenticated. And he when he said that they 377 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.680 were stone, well it turned out that there's some made 378 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:52.240 of pottery as well, and there's a lot of different 379 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.200 stones that the others are made of. There's sandstone, some 380 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:02.240 are made of well stea type and Micah schist, and 381 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:08.599 there's some that look like greenstone. Even there's granite. So 382 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.440 they're made up a lot of different materials from a 383 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.680 lot of different areas, and the pottery ones in particular. 384 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:17.359 Now we know that they've been authenticated by Oxford Authentication. 385 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.559 We did the study this year and two of them 386 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:24.400 came back positive and it said that they were dated 387 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.240 to less than one hundred years ago in fire, in 388 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.359 being burnt in a fire, so there's evidence that. 389 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:32.839 This is a post production fire. 390 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:35.599 And when they were excavated, it looked like they had 391 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:39.519 all been in a building that burnt down and they 392 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:44.039 found out that see this is a quote when they 393 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.559 found them. They said, many of these have been burned, 394 00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:48.759 and we should like to know if they were in 395 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:53.160 a particular area that the place that had the burning. 396 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.200 Of the objects that were found, we know that sometime 397 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.400 there was a general burning and even the best things 398 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.160 were there were put together for some reason fire applied. 399 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.799 So this is a quote from eighteen eighty and August twentieth. 400 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:12.759 Ben Valentine found these and he said, I cannot I 401 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.319