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Speaker 2: People say good money to see this movie.
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Speaker 3: hot popcorn and no monsters in the protection.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Projection Booth with a special crossover with
Speaker 2: both the Culture Cast and Midnight Viewing. On this special episode,
Speaker 2: we were talking about Alien Romulus, directed by Fetti Alvarez
Speaker 2: and written by Alvarez as well as Rodo. Sayah, Gwest,
Speaker 2: that's my best guest on that one. This is a
Speaker 2: sequel to Alien, a prequel to Aliens, prequel to Alien three,
Speaker 2: prequel to Alien four, five, six, and seven. There's all
Speaker 2: the Alien stuff in here, which was pretty surprising for me,
Speaker 2: a brand new movie. Excited to talk about this one
Speaker 2: with you guys. Tell me what were your thoughts on
Speaker 2: Alien Romulus.
Speaker 1: Let's do pre spoilers in any of this conversation, and
Speaker 1: then we'll talk all about the spoilery bullshit. I look,
Speaker 1: I think I am a little younger than both of y'all.
Speaker 1: Alien is a franchise that I not was raised to
Speaker 1: care about, but I was still of an age and
Speaker 1: of a time and of a place to catch Alien
Speaker 1: and see Alien when Alien was still a thing that
Speaker 1: people were talking about. It's not that I don't think
Speaker 1: people are not talking about Alien right now, far from it.
Speaker 1: It's just if an Alien sequel comes out ten years
Speaker 1: from now, will it have the turnout that this one did?
Speaker 1: Is the question, because there are going to be less
Speaker 1: and less people unless they continue to make good Alien
Speaker 1: movies that are inherently invested in the franchise. And I
Speaker 1: know that Prometheus and Covenant are maybe when I'm alluding
Speaker 1: to because this movie is also a sequel to those movies.
Speaker 1: He's on top of everything else. I enjoyed it. I
Speaker 1: think that it has its pretty glaring issues, but I think, look,
Speaker 1: I think my one word summary is it's the best
Speaker 1: Alien movie I've ever seen in theaters. But that's a
Speaker 1: pretty low barred across in a lot of ways. Then alone,
Speaker 1: what about you.
Speaker 5: I love Alien Isolation the video game. It is so
Speaker 5: much fun and so scary and is so evocative of
Speaker 5: the original Alien, and this movie is very evocative of
Speaker 5: the video game. I think if Fede Alva is a
Speaker 5: fan of that game obviously, and a lot of the
Speaker 5: dispine work is just built right.
Speaker 2: In the whole scenes and stuff.
Speaker 5: I really was excited for an Alien movie for the
Speaker 5: first time, and I don't know how many years, twenty
Speaker 5: years more, and all I took away from it ultimately
Speaker 5: was I really wanted to go play Alien Isolation.
Speaker 2: Again, which is a drag. Look.
Speaker 5: The movie has a lot of good points, but ultimately
Speaker 5: where this movie breaks down for me on a very
Speaker 5: fundamental level is there's not one interesting character and there
Speaker 5: is not one charming actor in this entire movie. It
Speaker 5: is akin to watching cut scenes from a video game, honestly,
Speaker 5: and no disrespect to these actors, but they're all miscast,
Speaker 5: and they're all cast too young. I was disappointed by
Speaker 5: this movie. I'm gonna watch it again, probably just because
Speaker 5: I'm a Mascus, but it does look beautiful, and I
Speaker 5: love feed Alvarez, but this ain't no Evil Dead remake.
Speaker 5: Like I was shocked at the poor quality here by you.
Speaker 2: Mister Mike White. Tell me everything you know about Navro
Speaker 2: played by Eileen Wu. She's got short hair.
Speaker 1: Oh I know that they ruined the entire scene that
Speaker 1: her character has in the movie in the trailers.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh with the X ray machine.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they ruined that in the trailer. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I know because that's all her character is
Speaker 1: used for in the movie as well. If you watch
Speaker 1: the trailer for this movie, you see what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They just what's an alien movie? It's gonna have a
Speaker 1: chess purster, no shit movie, No fucking way, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be an alien movie without a fucking chests person pount.
Speaker 1: On one hand, the things that are guaranteed to be
Speaker 1: in an alien movie at this point, chessbursters are one
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if this is an alien movie,
Speaker 2: this is more of a face hugger movie. Hundreds and
Speaker 2: hundreds of face huggers in this movie.
Speaker 1: It's like hundreds of beavers, but with face huggers instead.
Speaker 2: But I would rather watch hundreds of beavers any day
Speaker 2: of the week. Were over Alien Rodney List. I really
Speaker 2: felt betrayed by this movie because it starts off very
Speaker 2: strong for me. I was really enjoying the scenes of
Speaker 2: Kaylee Spainey and David Johnson. I think his portrayal of Andy.
Speaker 2: I really liked that portrayal. I don't know how he
Speaker 2: does that with his face where he makes himself look
Speaker 2: sad and confused all the time. I was trying to
Speaker 2: do that, but I don't know. I don't think my
Speaker 2: forehead moves nearly as much, and I haven't even had
Speaker 2: my botox this week. It's so by the numbers after
Speaker 2: a while, and then just all of the fan service,
Speaker 2: with all of the lines and just the even the
Speaker 2: movie just starts off looking almost exactly like Aliens with
Speaker 2: the salvage ship, but instead of rescuing Rip, they're rescuing
Speaker 2: the alien who, which was very tough for me to see.
Speaker 2: I had no c was going on in the first
Speaker 2: little bit when they pulled in this thing, I'm like,
Speaker 2: is that an egg? What is it? And they're cutting
Speaker 2: through and I'm just like, I don't know what this is.
Speaker 2: It's so dimly lit. And there were times on the
Speaker 2: spaceship where I'm like, are there lights still operational? Can
Speaker 2: you turn on some lights? Because I'd really like to
Speaker 2: see that. Like even in the station on LV four
Speaker 2: twenty six, where you know the colonists are all dead,
Speaker 2: there's a lot more lighting in that colony, even though
Speaker 2: it's completely desolated than there is on this space station,
Speaker 2: which I don't understand again why it's called Alien Romulus
Speaker 2: because the ship is the Romulus and the remiss. Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess it's cool. And I think that's the whole
Speaker 2: motivator of this movie. Is it's cool. It's gonna look cool,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be cool if we make this reference. Let's
Speaker 2: make this reference. And Yeah, I'm excited to talk about
Speaker 2: spoilers because there's one that happens, and that for me
Speaker 2: is the turning point of the movie.
Speaker 1: Oh, is that the one thing that we're just waiting
Speaker 1: with baited breath to talk about because it feels like
Speaker 1: someone just coming up to you at the playground and
Speaker 1: punching you in the face repeatedly and saying this doesn't
Speaker 1: hurt at all. Right, it's fine, Ian Home as it.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're in spoiler terrace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no fucking way to avoid this at this point.
Speaker 1: But from here on out spoilers because yes.
Speaker 2: Danced around for a while.
Speaker 5: There's a lot going on in this movie that troubling
Speaker 5: beyond the Ian Home fucking cam Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the ian Home thing is it's the bridge too
Speaker 1: far for me. And it happened so early on in
Speaker 1: the movie, and it happened so frequently in the movie
Speaker 1: that look, Peter Cushing in Rogue one was one thing
Speaker 1: and it was literally one thing, one or two scenes.
Speaker 1: If that it was not was it two?
Speaker 2: Oh, there were more than two scenes that Oh got
Speaker 2: that movie when the credits started rolling. And by the way, folks,
Speaker 2: there's nothing after the end credits. Don't bother to wait
Speaker 2: around like I did. I took the bullet for you.
Speaker 2: As soon as the credits started to roll. I said,
Speaker 2: this was like Rogue one. And then Alien Romulus came
Speaker 2: in and said, oh, you think that looked horrific? And
Speaker 2: just living in the Uncanny Valley. Here hold my beer,
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna make this worse than Princess Leah and
Speaker 2: Graham Moth Tarkin all in one with whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: they were doing with Ian Holme.
Speaker 1: Look, he's a robot, see in an alien In the
Speaker 1: alien universe, we always have to have a robot movie.
Speaker 1: You have a robot. David Johnson is a robot. We
Speaker 1: don't need to see the ghoulish specter of Ian Holme
Speaker 1: dragged out and paraded around over and Oh, it's happened
Speaker 1: so much that he's not just a cameo. He's essentially
Speaker 1: the main villain of the movie, which again, that makes
Speaker 1: it more of a Prometheus movie than it makes it
Speaker 1: anything else, because Prometheus an Alien Covenant are pretty much
Speaker 1: just about the robots, which, honestly, you know, the dude's
Speaker 1: over read letter media. I think they really laid into
Speaker 1: Prometheus a long time ago. And I think Prometheus had
Speaker 1: Govenant are better movies than Romulus, because at least they're
Speaker 1: movies that are different, but Alien Romulus the fan service
Speaker 1: stuff that they did is more of an affront to
Speaker 1: me personally than the missteps and problems that Prometheus and
Speaker 1: Covenant are just making and Prometheus less so than Covenant,
Speaker 1: but Prometheus is at least a movie that's different than
Speaker 1: everything else. This is just Alien with some Aliens, a
Speaker 1: little bit of Alien three at the beginning, and then, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you guys like Resurrection, We're gonna give
Speaker 1: you something that is Resurrection levels of insanity in the
Speaker 1: last ten minutes in this movie. Hold let me one
Speaker 1: up the wildest thing in Alien in the entire Aliens
Speaker 1: franchise with something so beyond that it's that's another thing
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. I'm sure, But Father Malone,
Speaker 1: I want to let you speak broadly about this, because yeah,
Speaker 1: there's more than just the I at Holme problem. Obviously.
Speaker 5: Well, let me address the home problem. I admired the
Speaker 5: daring in trying if they had built an animatronic and
Speaker 5: not done any CGI at all, and had a fucked
Speaker 5: up animatronic that wasas and crazy because they could do
Speaker 5: it now, they could deprint something that's Ian fucking home,
Speaker 5: and that they could put mechanisms in it to do
Speaker 5: every little facial twitch and whatever. Had they pulled that off,
Speaker 5: I think I would have been okay. But because they
Speaker 5: kept doing photo realistic deep fake Ian Home where again
Speaker 5: it's to me, it's what's funny is when he's in
Speaker 5: the scene with the other characters, it's not as bad
Speaker 5: for me as when they cut to him on a
Speaker 5: video screen like advising them, because when they ever they
Speaker 5: do that, it really feels like a cut scene for
Speaker 5: a video game.
Speaker 2: It's googlish. At that point, it totally reminded me. I'm
Speaker 2: not a big video gamer. Even me as a non gamer,
Speaker 2: when he would show up on screens, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: is this like the Red Queen in Resident Evil where
Speaker 2: she would show up on screens and be like, you're
Speaker 2: trying too hard. You must do this. Just she felt
Speaker 2: he felt like an avatar for the video game, coming
Speaker 2: in and telling you what needs to happen next. Laddos
Speaker 2: from Portal Adjacent and Father Alone. Alien Isolation is yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I've played it, You've played it. It's fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: Alien Isolation is still the best sequel to Alien that's
Speaker 2: ever come out, similarly to the way that Ghostbusters video
Speaker 2: game that came out is the best sequel to Ghostbusters
Speaker 2: because this is people making it that understand what the
Speaker 2: purpose of the original source material was, and they're building
Speaker 2: on it in a way that doesn't feel forced and
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel hamfisted, because they have plenty of time
Speaker 2: to It's so much easier to do fan service in
Speaker 2: a video game because you don't have to hang a
Speaker 2: lantern on it, but you don't have to hang a
Speaker 2: lantern on it constantly because it's just there, and it's
Speaker 2: just there in a movie when they keep coming back
Speaker 2: to it over and over again, Oh my god, didn't
Speaker 2: no one in the test screenings think that this was
Speaker 2: too much. I don't know who they're screening these movies for,
Speaker 2: because if they had screened this movie for you or
Speaker 2: I or anyone else who has a little bit of
Speaker 2: an issue with this AI deep fixed up, they would
Speaker 2: have said, take this out of the movie, do something
Speaker 2: with this, do anything but this, because it's so distracting
Speaker 2: and it gets in the way of the movie doing
Speaker 2: anything interesting or different. Because I just keep constantly being
Speaker 2: reminded of a better movie at every turn.
Speaker 5: Let me double down at my opening statement. The Ian
Speaker 5: Holme problem and the plot problems and the sort of
Speaker 5: too often reflecting the earlier better movies would have been
Speaker 5: softened had we had adults in roles here and had
Speaker 5: we had charming actors. I like Kayley Spanney as well.
Speaker 5: I enjoy her work, but she is not Ellen Ripley,
Speaker 5: and they're making her Ellen Ripley here, and it's a
Speaker 5: big mistake shouldering this movie on her is I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's not a good idea. But then the entire cast,
Speaker 5: other than Andy the Android, by the way, they break
Speaker 5: the cycle here. If you go through the Alien movies there,
Speaker 5: the androids have been named alphabetically, So there's Ash and
Speaker 5: then Bishop and then Call and then David, then and
Speaker 5: now Andy.
Speaker 2: And then you've got Rook. Now Ash's Rook. And I'm
Speaker 2: just like this a chess reference here? But why Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to put out a conspiracy theory here. There
Speaker 2: was a contest that twenty Century Fox and a group
Speaker 2: called Tongle put together back in twenty eighteen for a
Speaker 2: fortieth anniversary of Alien. So in twenty nineteen they released
Speaker 2: a series of six films that were written by fans,
Speaker 2: shot by fans, made by fans. I believe, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that they probably took some of these fan
Speaker 2: ideas and made them into a full length movie. I'm
Speaker 2: looking to see if the co writer is listed on
Speaker 2: any of these because this just feels like a big
Speaker 2: fucking fan film, just feels like, oh, we'll a service
Speaker 2: to everything. We'll even mix in some of this commeanant
Speaker 2: Prometheus horseshit that we have with this black oil which
Speaker 2: I saw in X Files twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: How dare you bring up x Files in this conversation.
Speaker 1: That's a much better usage of black oil than this
Speaker 1: could have ever begun to. But that's what they fucking
Speaker 1: copied there totally as anyone who's watched the X Files,
Speaker 1: wouldn't that happen in Prometheus? And now it's does anybody
Speaker 1: in this audience fucking care that they're connecting it to Prometheus?
Speaker 5: Who did Ridley Scott? And they did that for him?
Speaker 5: I guarantee you for those every Prometheus references and go
Speaker 5: see we're connecting it all And it's okay. He's happy.
Speaker 5: We can make the rest of our movie. But the
Speaker 5: problem is, Chris, as you said, that Alien Isolation video
Speaker 5: game is the best sequel to the Alien franchise that
Speaker 5: we never got, and why didn't they just make that
Speaker 5: the Alien Isolation. The plot line in that is Amanda
Speaker 5: Ripley went looking for mom and ended up on this
Speaker 5: space station that is overrun with any alliens and you're
Speaker 5: playing as Amanda Ripley like it's a natural.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the game already exists.
Speaker 5: And I know, is there a rights issue where like
Speaker 5: they want to make their own shit or something like,
Speaker 5: and Fee Alvarez wanted to do an original, but then
Speaker 5: he pulls so heavily from the fucking game, even to
Speaker 5: the point if I don't know if you noticed, Chris,
Speaker 5: but this anytime there's a saved portion in the game,
Speaker 5: it's one of the intercom things on the wall, and
Speaker 5: every time you save the game, some shit's about to
Speaker 5: go down, And he does that in the movie. He'll
Speaker 5: close up the fuck in intercom and then suddenly swarm
Speaker 5: of face huggers. So he's drawing inspiration from the game. Anyway,
Speaker 5: just make the game into the movie.
Speaker 1: I think it's because this whole thing of the Ghostbusters,
Speaker 1: Afterlife and the Star Wars force awakens of it all.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is the way these movies are made now,
Speaker 1: which is we got to have all this fan service
Speaker 1: nonsense that in the universe. Why would he say, get
Speaker 1: away from her, you bitch? It makes no sense. This
Speaker 1: movie's being played straight. This movie's being played straight forward.
Speaker 1: There's no fourth wall breaking, there's none of that. Why
Speaker 1: would he say that this that hasn't even happened yet,
Speaker 1: We're still thirty years removed from that happening. Because this
Speaker 1: is only twenty years after Alien, which means it's still
Speaker 1: thirty seven years before Ripley gets found because she's in
Speaker 1: space for fifty seven years? Did she say it because
Speaker 1: he said it? I don't fucking understand. I prefer artificial person.
Speaker 1: That line makes sense, It makes perfect sense. I get
Speaker 1: that entirely, because that's that makes more sense than get
Speaker 1: away from her, you bitch. But it's just with the
Speaker 1: Ian holme of it all and everything else. Fan service
Speaker 1: needs to have a point within the construct of the
Speaker 1: movie itself. Otherwise it's just out there for the fans.
Speaker 1: And are you sacrificing telling an interesting story just to
Speaker 1: have bullshit on screen that's already been on screen before? Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's how you get Ghostbusters. Afterlife with a CGI,
Speaker 1: Harold Ramis running around. I don't understand putting fan service
Speaker 1: before engaging storytelling, or to your point, Father Malone, engaging
Speaker 1: in creative character development, because nobody but Andy in this
Speaker 1: movie is an interesting character period.
Speaker 5: It's a Friday the thirteenth movie in the Alien universe.
Speaker 5: It's a bunch of teenagers going off to the scary
Speaker 5: place and then oh no aliens.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I was thinking of Evil Dead and like you, the remake,
Speaker 2: which I am not a fan of. I thought that
Speaker 2: the second Evil remake, however you want to put that in,
Speaker 2: which I thought was Fetti Albarez, but found out that
Speaker 2: it's not. I like that one. I thought that was
Speaker 2: actually pretty good and was like, oh, this is really
Speaker 2: nice and gross. So when the one character who's pregnant,
Speaker 2: that's all you need to know about her because that's
Speaker 2: all she is, just a pregnant person. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, she somehow the alien is going to get
Speaker 2: in there and we're going to have that moments Dawn
Speaker 2: of the Dead remake where the corpse baby comes out
Speaker 2: of the woman. We're going to get that somehow or
Speaker 2: like an alien baby in this case, how are we
Speaker 2: going to do that? Because I'm just like trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what the alien life cycle and all this.
Speaker 2: That's where the black goo comes in. I'm just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that's how we're going to do that. Don't put that
Speaker 2: in your system. Okay, I won't put.
Speaker 3: It right in.
Speaker 2: And then the alien life cycle, which I thought I
Speaker 2: was pretty familiar with. I guess I missed the wall
Speaker 2: vagina part. Didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker 5: I actually liked that. I thought that was so fucking
Speaker 5: gieger like. And just because we haven't seen one of
Speaker 5: the life cycles doesn't mean it didn't exist. Ultimately, these
Speaker 5: are genetic clones. There's no queen here. These have all
Speaker 5: been harvested from the genetic contents of the original alien
Speaker 5: yet big Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: B Hayden's son, the Big Chat.
Speaker 2: Okay, look, we got it.
Speaker 5: Movie starts with a salvage ship finding them remains in
Speaker 5: this stromo. It's great, right, It's like John's two when
Speaker 5: they find the orca at the bottom.
Speaker 1: It's just like my favorite film in the Jurassic World franchise.
Speaker 1: I'm joking because that's how Falling That's literally how Fallen
Speaker 1: Kingdom opens. They go to Jurassic World to get a
Speaker 1: dinosaur tooth, and then the entire movie is based off
Speaker 1: of that, like legacy sequel block checked again, Like it's
Speaker 1: not bad here, but it's they've done it a bunch
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 5: No, because this is integrable to the plot at least,
Speaker 5: except Ripley had escaped in the Narcissus and was so
Speaker 5: far away from that thing whendn't explode it, and then
Speaker 5: shot the thing with a harpoon and then blasted with
Speaker 5: the engine, which meant that alien was tumbling on through
Speaker 5: space forever and ever, they were never.
Speaker 2: Going to find that.
Speaker 5: As much as I liked seeing him and thinking like, oh,
Speaker 5: all the villains in this are going to be from
Speaker 5: that guy from the original movie, Okay, that's cool. And
Speaker 5: I did like the mirroring of aliens in that case,
Speaker 5: like a crew went out and found Ripley, but before that,
Speaker 5: a crew went out and found the alien, because that's
Speaker 5: more important.
Speaker 2: I like that. Plot wise, also reminded me of Superman
Speaker 2: Returns where he goes out and I think they cut
Speaker 2: this out of the movie, or maybe they didn't, where
Speaker 2: he goes out to find Krypton and sees that it
Speaker 2: is exploded. But yeah, I agree with you, that alien
Speaker 2: corpse would have been so far away from the Nostromo
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense where it is. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to quibble about the physics of that, because, like you say,
Speaker 2: we don't know certain things, like I'm not going to
Speaker 2: get into other than my one thing about the wall
Speaker 2: Vagina too much about that because I remember Harry Dean Stanton,
Speaker 2: I think, picking up the skin of the first one
Speaker 2: in the first movie, and so we know that it sheds,
Speaker 2: we know that it grows. We never really see that
Speaker 2: middle part of its life cycle before becomes a parent,
Speaker 2: but before it becomes a real alien. And yeah, it's
Speaker 2: for all intents the purposes, a male alien, So calling
Speaker 2: it a bitch doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 2: And there's none of that gravitas as far as Ripley
Speaker 2: protecting Newt and having this other mother who has destroyed
Speaker 2: this entire planet of LV four twenty six and all
Speaker 2: of these people that Ripley knows. Yeah, how well written
Speaker 2: is aliens that you hear about characters like Drake and
Speaker 2: a pohone and all of these guys in that intro,
Speaker 2: whereas with this one, Yeah, a bunch of dead meat
Speaker 2: teenagers who I don't know and I don't care to know,
Speaker 2: and they don't tell me anything about them.
Speaker 1: That one guy has a really heavy British accent. There's
Speaker 1: something in the wah eh oh, shut the fuck up?
Speaker 1: How many times have I heard that in the trailers?
Speaker 5: Now, speaking of fan service, would you guys like some cornbread?
Speaker 5: Don't mind my drinking birding scene? I was like, Oh no,
Speaker 5: we're not gonna be doing this the whole time, are we?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: We are. Here's the thing, though, it's an interesting question
Speaker 1: how much of the fan service is him and how
Speaker 1: much of the fan service is just studio meddling. Is
Speaker 1: that a thing that we could say Disney wanted in
Speaker 1: Home in the movie, like Disney wanted all that shit
Speaker 1: Fetti Afarez made and wrote with roto psygaiis the Evil
Speaker 1: Dead remake, which Milege is going to very clearly between
Speaker 1: the three of us, it's a better movie than this movie,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't beach over the head with the fucking
Speaker 1: fan service like this movie does. Wonder if some of
Speaker 1: this is just the Disney of it all, which ooy,
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be fucking fun because I would echo Deadpool
Speaker 1: and Wolverine. That movie's problems. A lot of it comes
Speaker 1: from what I believe to be meddling of a studio
Speaker 1: that doesn't really understand what they have and never has,
Speaker 1: which is why they didn't own it up until the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. And now that they do their meddling,
Speaker 1: maybe getting in the way of these things actually having
Speaker 1: a soul of their own as opposed to feeling corporatey
Speaker 1: and soulless, which is the way Deadpool and Wolverine felt
Speaker 1: at times. And this feels really like that. This feels
Speaker 1: like a fan film with a massive budget. Guys liked Alien, right,
Speaker 1: You like Ian Holme. You like the Newborn in Resurrection.
Speaker 1: I don't know who liked the Newborn and Resurrection.
Speaker 2: I like the Newborn. I like Resurrection a lot, and
Speaker 2: I think I like it a lot more. I think
Speaker 2: I like Resurrection. To me, is in all of the
Speaker 2: movies that we've been talking about, other than Aliens. I
Speaker 2: think that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's Aliens esque. It's pretty much
Speaker 1: just other Aliens, but with space pirates as opposed to
Speaker 1: colonial marines. I'm with you. I was being flipping about
Speaker 1: the Newborn, but the Newborn is actually the first interesting
Speaker 1: thing they did in three movies, is what it felt like.
Speaker 1: Aliens is great, but Aliens sets that standard Alien three
Speaker 1: is Alien three, and I don't want to draw the
Speaker 1: ire of the Alien three fan base, but Resurrection has
Speaker 1: an interesting, weird fucking thing at the end of it,
Speaker 1: like this movie does. It was done better in Resurrection
Speaker 1: and here it's just it's like a mix of It's
Speaker 1: like mixing everything into a way. It's like going to
Speaker 1: a soda fountain and getting all the things in the
Speaker 1: cup and being like, this is gonna taste good. No,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot. And none of this was
Speaker 1: really fine tuned and calibrated to be in the same
Speaker 1: thing together. And that's apparent when Alien and Prometheus are
Speaker 1: existing on the same screen together and one of those
Speaker 1: things definitely fucking doesn't feel like the other, that being
Speaker 1: everything from Prometheus. When they go into that lab, I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh God, here we go. This is
Speaker 1: where the movie does the thing right, this is where
Speaker 1: they're gonna do the thing with the Prometheus stuff. Telegraph everything.
Speaker 1: Why don't you movie please?
Speaker 5: Well, there's nothing to telegraph, because it's almost just the
Speaker 5: greatest hits of the previous Alien movies. I will say this,
Speaker 5: I liked the Newborn here better than I like it
Speaker 5: from Resurrection, just because I think it was creepier here
Speaker 5: and better executed because the man in the suit in
Speaker 5: that thing, it's so poorly articulated. The Newborn in Resurrection, like,
Speaker 5: I almost wish that had been CG instead. But there
Speaker 5: are some things that I like in this movie. I
Speaker 5: like that newborn scene here. I like the even though
Speaker 5: that character is pregnant, she follows two stories two and
Speaker 5: to a point where I actually thought the character was
Speaker 5: dead when she fell that far. I went, oh, man,
Speaker 5: that's that's top that she died that way in an
Speaker 5: alien movie. But so I like that sequence. I like
Speaker 5: when they show the aliens doing intelligent things, like there's
Speaker 5: a scene where we first encountered the adult alien with
Speaker 5: that girl, where it's chasing her and she wants to
Speaker 5: be let in through the airlock and the android won't
Speaker 5: let it in because he can see the alien sitting
Speaker 5: there because it wants it to open. It wants them
Speaker 5: to open the door. And just moments like that are great.
Speaker 5: I wish there had been a movie like that, a
Speaker 5: cat and mouse game with an alien instead of the
Speaker 5: greatest hits of everything that came before. I also do
Speaker 5: like these zero G acid blood sequence.
Speaker 2: That was nice. That was a nice kind of show
Speaker 2: piece that they had, and it was nice that they
Speaker 2: built it up earlier in the film, and I kept thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's going to come back later on, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: sure how they would have it. So when it was
Speaker 2: with the acid blood, I was like, okay, yeah, that works.
Speaker 2: The way that she uses the gun to propel herself
Speaker 2: around was pretty cool as well.
Speaker 5: And speaking of acid blood, I like their treatment of
Speaker 5: the acid blood in the first film, Like a drop
Speaker 5: of it goes through three decks of their ship. They're
Speaker 5: word it's going to breach the hull. And then in
Speaker 5: each successive things, people are getting sprayed with it and
Speaker 5: they're like, oh, I'll be okay, just wipe it off,
Speaker 5: and and here it's corrosive as goddamn hell. I love
Speaker 5: that aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Packson gets showered in a fair amount of it in
Speaker 1: Aliens and he's fine, but Drake, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: gets a face full of it and is dead.
Speaker 2: I think you mean Hicks, sir House.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to go back to the thing about
Speaker 1: the characters, because I watched Aliens last night and that
Speaker 1: movie takes forty five minutes to get going so good.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love the length, and when you're
Speaker 2: watching the director's cut, it's almost an hour before those
Speaker 2: aliens ever show up.
Speaker 1: And it's and exactly so. That was the version I
Speaker 1: watched last night, the two hour and thirty four minute version,
Speaker 1: And the movie spends so much time getting its legs
Speaker 1: underneath it to make sure that you care about everything
Speaker 1: that's about to be happening through the characters that they've introduced,
Speaker 1: be it the guy loading the missiles onto the ships,
Speaker 1: to the woman who's the pilot of the little aircraft
Speaker 1: carrier thing or the little ship that goes down from
Speaker 1: the Sulaco like all of that. They spend all the
Speaker 1: time and effort, and this movie's an hour two hours long,
Speaker 1: and it does nothing with any of the characters we've mentioned.
Speaker 1: Kaylee Spanny, she's in a better movie. This is the
Speaker 1: best movie I've seen her in this year that she's
Speaker 1: been in. That's not hard given that the last thing
Speaker 1: that we talked about, the Three of Us a civil War,
Speaker 1: and she was in that, and she was completely under
Speaker 1: used in that movie. Not that she didn't need to
Speaker 1: be in it, but she wasn't given much to do.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the point in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways of that movie. Here. I think she's fine, But
Speaker 1: I think this movie does have a horror movie problem,
Speaker 1: which is there are characters on screen and they're gonna die.
Speaker 1: You know that. You just don't know how many are
Speaker 1: going to be left at the end, and I think
Speaker 1: they picked the right number. I think this is a
Speaker 1: again two people, one human and one one android or
Speaker 1: artificial person. But all the other characters are completely worthless.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the actors didn't do a good job.
Speaker 1: I think the actors are fine. It's that the writing
Speaker 1: does not help any of this rible.
Speaker 5: It's not just any one thing. It's the writing, it's
Speaker 5: the performances, it's the choice to make them all fucking
Speaker 5: twenty years old. I care about every member of the
Speaker 5: crew of than A stra I care about every member
Speaker 5: of the crew of the Silaca.
Speaker 2: We got to talk about those shares.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, It's surprising how little character development is in
Speaker 1: this movie, given that this movie is two hours long.
Speaker 5: But it does just feel what even for a story,
Speaker 5: is the fucking beginning of the movie solo that remember
Speaker 5: that it's the same can begin. We've got to get
Speaker 5: off this horrid planet where we never see the sun. Wait,
Speaker 5: they're changing my credits. I have to stay another seven years.
Speaker 5: They have a ship. Leave, just leave.
Speaker 2: That was the thing I kept wondering about. I'm like,
Speaker 2: is the next closest planet really that far away?
Speaker 1: Is a really?
Speaker 2: What is it nine years in a cryo chamber away?
Speaker 2: Or can you just hop, skip and a jump to
Speaker 2: someplace where you can see the sun and maybe there's
Speaker 2: another M class planet around here.
Speaker 1: Come on, guys, You've got a spaceship on a planet, though,
Speaker 1: and they can leave, and they never explain why they don't.
Speaker 2: And that whole thing of them being on this mining planet.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, man, I'd rather be watching Outland. I
Speaker 2: really like that movie so much better than this, even
Speaker 2: with the Ian Holmes stuff versus the Grand Moth tark
Speaker 2: and I was really reminded of just the unnecessary rogue one.
Speaker 2: It's funny that and Or got his own show, because
Speaker 2: I was like, and Or, I barely remember that guy.
Speaker 2: He's nothing. He's got his robot companion, who I find
Speaker 2: to be more charming than him. And when they finally
Speaker 2: brought out a show of and Or, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is great now I finally get to know this character,
Speaker 2: even though he's the least interesting character in the entire show.
Speaker 2: It's really more still in Stars Guard Show. For me.
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I didn't know any of those people.
Speaker 2: I just knew Donnie Yenne because he's an actor other
Speaker 2: than Ian Holme and our main character. I don't know
Speaker 2: any of these actors. Nothing to latch onto as far
Speaker 2: as even bringing things from other movies. At least with
Speaker 2: that horrific sequel to Pacific Rim at least I got
Speaker 2: some characters that I remember. Though. They bring in John
Speaker 2: Boyega and her and I'm just like, and what's eastwood
Speaker 2: Son's name? Scott, I'm like, these are all just zero charisma.
Speaker 2: He's zero charisma. The other two are not boy yea
Speaker 2: ga I love, but he's not given anything to do either.
Speaker 1: Scott Eastwood is proto Glenn Powell somehow. Glenn Powell is
Speaker 1: a much more charismatic guy. And his dad's not Clint Eastwood,
Speaker 1: which is pretty fucked up but also amusing at the
Speaker 1: same time. All the characters I fall them alone. Again,
Speaker 1: I think we differ on what the feelings are on
Speaker 1: why they're not great, But I think the feeling. The
Speaker 1: sentiment is still the same. This has like a prequel
Speaker 1: problem with the characters. They just they don't want to
Speaker 1: do anything interesting with them for whatever reason. I'd die
Speaker 1: because they're not aliens. The aliens are what you're writing
Speaker 1: this movie for fuck's sake, I get it. And then
Speaker 1: the face hugger. None of us have ever gotten a
Speaker 1: chance to write that in a script that anybody's gonna
Speaker 1: do anything with. And if we did, probably be just
Speaker 1: as excited to talk about and write for the aliens
Speaker 1: than I would be for the humans. I'm not a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot anymore than either one of you guys are.
Speaker 1: We're writing an alien movie, probably gonna want to focus
Speaker 1: on the aliens. However, that's not how this works, because
Speaker 1: that's not how this fucking franchise has really ever worked.
Speaker 1: When it's but that's at its best, even in Prometheus,
Speaker 1: Numi Rapas's character is better written than all the characters
Speaker 1: in this movie. And in Prometheus, it actually does a
Speaker 1: little bit of a trick with that movie because you
Speaker 1: actually care about some of the characters in that movie
Speaker 1: because they give you a little bit of time with
Speaker 1: them and Sam. Similarly to Covenant, it takes a while
Speaker 1: for those movies to get going. This movie, on the
Speaker 1: other hand, is a horror movie for twenty somethings and
Speaker 1: their parents to go see together. Because that's the thing
Speaker 1: all the articles and information I've been reading is my
Speaker 1: parents went and saw Aliens together, and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: go see this movie all of us now, and at
Speaker 1: the cool I'm glad that can be a shared experience
Speaker 1: and that people's generational things that people have shared with
Speaker 1: their kids can now be a thing that we all
Speaker 1: go see an alien movie in theaters together. However, I
Speaker 1: wish there was more to this as opposed to just alien.
Speaker 1: It's alien. That's not enough, but for some people it's
Speaker 1: going to be. And I'm not saying that those people's
Speaker 1: opinions are lesser, better, worse than mine. It's just my
Speaker 1: bar here with alien movies. Alien as a franchise, it's
Speaker 1: probably pretty high because this is a franchise that I
Speaker 1: have been watching since I was like thirteen, and that's
Speaker 1: not for nothing. Twenty one years now. For y'all, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit longer than that. But this has been
Speaker 1: a franchise that's been part of our lives for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting listening a father Malone rattle off the names
Speaker 1: of the goddamn ships here. So he's as invested as
Speaker 1: you and I are. Mike, I know you're invested as well.
Speaker 1: And at this point, it's like you got to do
Speaker 1: more for people like us on top of being able
Speaker 1: to make a movie for everybody, and people like us,
Speaker 1: I think at some point are just going to go.
Speaker 1: You can't just keep doing the same thing over and
Speaker 1: over again with the fan service that we've seen in
Speaker 1: all these other fan service movies, because Alien doesn't need it.
Speaker 1: Alien at its best was not about trotting out the
Speaker 1: old lines and having people say them knew that aren't
Speaker 1: to the original actors. That was never a thing in
Speaker 1: this franchise. The point of this franchise is very different.
Speaker 1: Point of this franchise is all over the place in
Speaker 1: terms of what movie you're watching or what source material
Speaker 1: you're seeing. But this movie just wanted to take a
Speaker 1: horror movie and put an alien in it, which is fine.
Speaker 1: That's just not enough for me at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think about the movie Prey that didn't get
Speaker 2: a theatrical run, right, it was just dumped right to
Speaker 2: Hulu and that was supposed to be this too. This
Speaker 2: was supposed to be dumped to Hulu, and I remember
Speaker 2: with Pray, I was like, Wow, what do you like
Speaker 2: tossing that in on the big screen. I don't think
Speaker 2: I would have said that for this one. The thing
Speaker 2: that I liked about Prey was that they had like
Speaker 2: that little nod with the gun at the end. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's the same gun that Danny Glover had and Predator two.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. And of course there's other little hints
Speaker 2: of things, but way better than the Predator where you got, oh,
Speaker 2: get to those choppers and I'm just like, oh god,
Speaker 2: this is so embarrassing. Had they taken this idea because
Speaker 2: the First Alien is very much a horror movie with
Speaker 2: an alien and it conquered the Earth type of thing
Speaker 2: or what was the terror beond it terror beyond space
Speaker 2: or whatever. It was like, Okay, cool, Yeah, that's great,
Speaker 2: take it. But please, if you go with the fan service,
Speaker 2: just have these guys running into another ship or like
Speaker 2: another alien rather than this particular high end to Ripley
Speaker 2: and her story just said it someplace else, and that's
Speaker 2: what the comic books, the old Dark Horse comics used
Speaker 2: to do. They had a whole new characters that they
Speaker 2: had and they were great. Those were awesome comic books.
Speaker 2: I really recommend those, and I think they could have
Speaker 2: learned something from this where they don't have to just
Speaker 2: be so slavish to all of the old stuff and
Speaker 2: just keep giving us these nods, because for me, every
Speaker 2: time they do it just takes me out of it.
Speaker 5: They should just adapt those comics into a fucking theories already, or.
Speaker 1: The books or the fucking multitude of books that they've
Speaker 1: written all the a. You can go to Half Prize
Speaker 1: Books right now and pick up five or six Alien
Speaker 1: books for fifty cents that are better written than this
Speaker 1: movie is. And I get it. It's a two hundred
Speaker 1: page book and it's not a two hour movie and
Speaker 1: all the time blah blah blah. You know what, that's
Speaker 1: not a fucking excuse, because we have mentioned already Alien
Speaker 1: and Aliens and even Prometheus actually do some character development
Speaker 1: that's worth talking about.
Speaker 5: You can get audio books of Alien if you don't
Speaker 5: want to read them, and they've got some audio dramas
Speaker 5: that are really fucking good.
Speaker 1: Alien is a franchise that has so much extended universe
Speaker 1: material that's still cannon until Disney doesn't want to be anymore.
Speaker 1: Probably at this point there's so much that they could
Speaker 1: have drawn from that. They just were like, not Alien
Speaker 1: and aliens. That's it the alien base movies. Nobody has
Speaker 1: read Alien whatever the fuck X Y and Z book,
Speaker 1: just rip that off, even to your point for them
Speaker 1: like isolations, you would have thought enough removed, And clearly
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways it is from the mainstream
Speaker 1: to rip that off without getting lambasted for it in
Speaker 1: every review for the movie.
Speaker 5: You know what'd be a good link between Alien and
Speaker 5: Aliens Alan Ripley's daughter trying to find her.
Speaker 2: So I had a real problem with Alien three in
Speaker 2: the idea of and this was more in the grips
Speaker 2: that were rejected for Alien three, but it still ended
Speaker 2: up being an Ali three. This whole idea of if
Speaker 2: an alien just states in something that's not a human,
Speaker 2: it takes on the properties of that creature, which to
Speaker 2: me just doesn't make any sense. It's that whole idea
Speaker 2: of if an alien embeds a baby inside of a rhino,
Speaker 2: it's going to come out with like armor plating in
Speaker 2: a forlorn and that just doesn't make sense as far
Speaker 2: as the DNA of the alien itself. It's cool Kenner
Speaker 2: Toys mite it does, but it makes sense with the
Speaker 2: black goo with the black oil, like that kind of
Speaker 2: makes sense. But where, oh, where is that mouse alien
Speaker 2: in this movie? That's what I was waiting for. Once
Speaker 2: you see that mouse explode in that video footage, I'm
Speaker 2: waiting for that mouse alily to come out. Yeah, where
Speaker 2: was it?
Speaker 5: It was just what we got was like a cocoon
Speaker 5: kind of a thing, and then no payoff, and then
Speaker 5: we get another cocoon later saying if you see a cocoon,
Speaker 5: there's something in there.
Speaker 2: It's coming for you.
Speaker 1: And again the Prometheus of it all, we have a
Speaker 1: direct homage to Prometheus with the pregnant woman at the
Speaker 1: end of the movie, because that's I've got to assume
Speaker 1: that's what they're referencing with her laying the alien egg,
Speaker 1: which is very similar to what happens to Numi Rapas
Speaker 1: and the third act of that movie where she has
Speaker 1: the emergency C section and she has the thing taken
Speaker 1: out of her and I'm a lot of wiggling on
Speaker 1: the arm like it's just that again, like they're even
Speaker 1: the thing in this movie that kind of feels somewhat
Speaker 1: unique and original is ultimately a poor fact simile of
Speaker 1: a thing you've already done elsewhere two movies ago, two
Speaker 1: movies ago, even, not three, not Alien, two goddamn movies ago.
Speaker 1: And how do I know this because at least got
Speaker 1: directed the goddamn thing and he produced the fucking movie.
Speaker 1: And to your point, father Malone, if it's not Fox meddling,
Speaker 1: it's Ridley Scott going, I'm producing this, so you better
Speaker 1: have this shit in here.
Speaker 5: Oh, it absolutely is, because here's I haven't said anything
Speaker 5: about Prometheus or that other fucking Covenant.
Speaker 2: What was it that you're right, Covenant?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I fucking hate those movies, like I hate this
Speaker 5: whole what I love about the Aliens, and I will
Speaker 5: continue to ignore those movies. I love the idea that
Speaker 5: we you know, where they're from, there's a planet of
Speaker 5: them somewhere and they are the apex predator of the
Speaker 5: universe and don't go there, and all of the love
Speaker 5: Craftian kind of connotations involved with them, and instead Ridley sconsin, No,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do this like bullshit nineteen sixties concept of
Speaker 5: space seeding, you know, like a Chariots of the gods man, Like,
Speaker 5: that's what you came up with. And by the way,
Speaker 5: you didn't really come up with it either by come
Speaker 5: up with stolen.
Speaker 4: Things you did it.
Speaker 5: No, he didn't come up with any of that. He
Speaker 5: didn't come up with anything very angry, and either he
Speaker 5: direct one movie, like, why is he charting the course
Speaker 5: for the rest of these films? And why is he
Speaker 5: charting their mythology? He's a fucking hired gun man. He
Speaker 5: was a fucking shoe salesman before this.
Speaker 1: Dan O'Bannon is turning over in his grave base.
Speaker 5: Now Dan O'Bannon is going, where's my check?
Speaker 2: Motherfucker?
Speaker 1: That's on point for mister O'Bannon. But it was nice
Speaker 1: seeing his name on screen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it always is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, always always is. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: could just sit and think to myself, what would he
Speaker 1: think about this movie? Kim and Ron Shoes said, really
Speaker 1: nailed it with that first movie, so hardcore, and then
Speaker 1: to watch this movie just again succeed in what it
Speaker 1: could succeed at, but ultimately, in my mind flail a
Speaker 1: lot of the time because some of the things that
Speaker 1: happen in this movie are flailing in a way that's
Speaker 1: like flailing upward for people, clearly because we are I
Speaker 1: would say that I might be the most positive of
Speaker 1: the three of us on the movie, but we are
Speaker 1: in a minority here of finding this movie to be
Speaker 1: not as great, because most everybody I've talked to and
Speaker 1: or seen online is enjoyed this movie a lot more
Speaker 1: than either of us. Either three of us did, which
Speaker 1: is not surprising. But at the same time, I wonder
Speaker 1: the amount of experience and exposure and yearning and wanting
Speaker 1: that people who have seen these movies, even within the
Speaker 1: mainstream media and critics, are watching it and have a
Speaker 1: frame of reference for the other things outside of just
Speaker 1: I saw Aliens once and I know that line is
Speaker 1: in Aliens. This to your point, father alone, this world
Speaker 1: that was created is so deep and interesting and it
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be exc like. The parts of it
Speaker 1: that are deep and interesting are not the parts that
Speaker 1: need to be explained. Those are the things that to
Speaker 1: your point, I never asked, where the fuck did the
Speaker 1: alien come from? Why does anyone care? It's the whole
Speaker 1: prequelization of shit. Thanks to George Lucas and Friends and
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones, the last Crusade. Oh, how did Harris and
Speaker 1: Vord get that scar on his chin? How did he
Speaker 1: get his hat? How did he get his whip? That's
Speaker 1: five minutes five to ten minutes of that movie. And
Speaker 1: that's the perfect prequel version of anything I think I've
Speaker 1: ever seen because it's connected to a movie, it's not
Speaker 1: the whole goddamn movie, And that's This entire movie is
Speaker 1: just more of like, where did the alien come from?
Speaker 1: It's weird that I haven't fucking cared this whole time
Speaker 1: movie that didn't really care. Prometheus and Covenant. The parts
Speaker 1: of those movies that I have enjoyed are Michael Fassbender's performance,
Speaker 1: because he's great in those movies. That's really not up
Speaker 1: for debate in terms of those movies. That's the quality
Speaker 1: at the center of those movies is his performance and
Speaker 1: the way he interacts with the other people. But the
Speaker 1: alien of it all in those movies. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to know where Hannibal Lecter came from. I don't want
Speaker 1: to know Darth Vader's backstory. I don't want to know
Speaker 1: any of this shit because it doesn't fucking matter, and
Speaker 1: for the longest time, nobody else thought it did. I
Speaker 1: do you like Boba Fett.
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you where Boba Fett came from.
Speaker 2: He was a little kid and his father died and
Speaker 2: he was really shad.
Speaker 1: Such a cool idea for a movie.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 5: Pat always loved all the mystery of the space Jockey
Speaker 5: and the eggs and was he transporting them?
Speaker 2: Was he trying to get rid of them? Who set
Speaker 2: up that beacon? Was it him? Who is that guy?
Speaker 1: Is he an elephant? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: It's just mystery upon mystery, and I'm fucking totally cool
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 2: How does Rook work without that thing that they give
Speaker 2: to Andy?
Speaker 5: That's a good question that they probably don't have an answer.
Speaker 1: For Space Magic.
Speaker 2: I like that whole transformation of Andy when they put
Speaker 2: that new chip in, and I like when he looks
Speaker 2: up at the sky and his eyes go white and
Speaker 2: his hands are tremoring, and I'm just like, that's a
Speaker 2: really cool moment for me. There's some there are some
Speaker 2: good moments into this in this But otherwise, and does
Speaker 2: it say tilts on his eyeballs when it goes up
Speaker 2: as well? That's what it reminded me of.
Speaker 1: Warning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But things like the creature design for the baby alien, Like,
Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you, Father Malone. That looks
Speaker 2: a little cooler than the skull faced alien that we
Speaker 2: had in Resurrection. It reminds me a lot of the
Speaker 2: aliens that were in Close Encounters of the third kind,
Speaker 2: like that last wave of them that come out that
Speaker 2: are so tall and spin ly. And there's a silhouette
Speaker 2: where I was just like, Oh, that reminds me of that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. But then I'm like, oh, and it's
Speaker 2: got the engineer's face from Covenant and Prometheus. Fuck me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was when the reveal happened at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, I said, audibly, along with several other
Speaker 1: people in the theaters, what the fuck? Because it was
Speaker 1: I disagree with y'all. It was a worse design than
Speaker 1: Resurrection because it is a full CGI creature that anytime
Speaker 1: they cut to it, it looks like CGI and there
Speaker 1: I will be that one time right now and go.
Speaker 1: This was where practical effects would have helped because it
Speaker 1: was already low lighting. Anyways, Guys, like you're in a
Speaker 1: dark hold of a ship like this, I get it,
Speaker 1: Like you can do more with CGI than you can
Speaker 1: do practically. I appreciate it, and I know that there
Speaker 1: is a gentleman who plays the hybrid in this movie,
Speaker 1: so there is a person in a suit, but it's
Speaker 1: also a lot of it. That's Cgi.
Speaker 5: That's the thing, Like that would have solved mean Home
Speaker 5: problem too. It's we're not misusing his image or anything.
Speaker 5: We're using that character based on his look and then
Speaker 5: to sound alike like I would have bought a fucking
Speaker 5: if you've ever seen any of the animatronics at Disneyland,
Speaker 5: like fucking malfunction, it's fantastic, Like they could have done
Speaker 5: a lot with that within a share or Rook May Rook.
Speaker 2: As soon as Rook came on screen, I was very
Speaker 2: audibly upset. I was just like, no, just because it
Speaker 2: just looked so bad with the way that his head moves,
Speaker 2: because I understand his head's down on his chest, do
Speaker 2: the whole like Bishop from Alien three thing where he's
Speaker 2: half the half there, half not. He did such a
Speaker 2: better job with Bishop with the way that they did that.
Speaker 2: And I understand that Lance Hendrickson was still a relatively
Speaker 2: young man and still alive, whereas with Ian Holme it's
Speaker 2: been gone for a few years. But do you know
Speaker 2: what this opens up. We can now redo the habbit
Speaker 2: with Ian Holme as Bill bo Baggins. This is gonna
Speaker 2: be fantastic.
Speaker 1: Christ don't put that out into the fucking universe, Mike,
Speaker 1: Why would you do such a fucking I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: up on Rings of Power. Yeah, that's what I'm worried about, man,
Speaker 1: And there he is. There's Bill bow walking around no no.
Speaker 2: Oh, just on Canny to beat the band.
Speaker 5: There's a research ship from Whaling New Twny and it
Speaker 5: is filled with the aliens. And if there's one thing
Speaker 5: Whaling New Tunny wants more than anything in the world,
Speaker 5: that's these aliens. And somehow it's just derelict hanging out
Speaker 5: above mining colony. They haven't come to get it. There's
Speaker 5: a dynamic that they could have explored. The Whalen Utani
Speaker 5: on the way kind of thinks something that they needed
Speaker 5: there other than rods to power their ship to get
Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe a plot or something.
Speaker 1: Where was the opposing force coming to get the aliens,
Speaker 1: because that's a thing that was never really been explored
Speaker 1: in any of us. We have it a little bit
Speaker 1: at the end Alien three, not really in Resurrection because
Speaker 1: again this kind of rips off Resurrection that it's taking
Speaker 1: place on the space station where they were fucking around
Speaker 1: with the alien DNA. But Resurrection does it better because
Speaker 1: Resurrection shows us where the mutant aliens are hanging out
Speaker 1: and where the mutant Sigourney Weaver clones are. In this movie,
Speaker 1: it's like it's just perfect. It's still perfect. Everything's fine.
Speaker 1: The alien got loose and killed everybody, but it still
Speaker 1: looks normal.
Speaker 2: What why Rook should have been all about trying to
Speaker 2: figure out a way to get those aliens back to
Speaker 2: whaling Utani? And yeah, if there's power on the ship,
Speaker 2: and you see power on quite a few times, why
Speaker 2: don't we go ahead and just pilot the ship this
Speaker 2: whole rodmulus remiss thing or whatever. He can crawl around
Speaker 2: with his arms. We see that too. Why does he
Speaker 2: try to commandeer at the ship and take off with
Speaker 2: some of the face huggers in tow. They're gonna leave
Speaker 2: him alone.
Speaker 1: Because they don't care. And I don't know why they
Speaker 1: don't care. Because you have these franchises and you have
Speaker 1: these opportunities to do something with them, and you're spending money.
Speaker 1: You spend eighty million dollars.
Speaker 2: On this movie.
Speaker 1: It's not nothing that the significant amount of money, at
Speaker 1: least to me, at least the way I look at
Speaker 1: the world. Only eighty million dollars a lot of money
Speaker 1: to spend. And this is the best that you can
Speaker 1: do is just playing the discordant tones of Alien over
Speaker 1: and over again, Bob, just like playing it on a
Speaker 1: piano and being like this is a new song, Like, no,
Speaker 1: we've heard this before. Don't try to lie to us,
Speaker 1: don't try to put one over on me. Because here's
Speaker 1: the other thing. At the end of this movie, the
Speaker 1: story's over, thankfully. That's the one saving grace in all
Speaker 1: of this is I don't they're what universe do we
Speaker 1: need to see anymore with these characters? Oh, we don't,
Speaker 1: And that's good.
Speaker 2: You can do like andor and now do a prequel
Speaker 2: with Rain and Andy on the early days of.
Speaker 1: This No wrong, God, No, we want to know why
Speaker 1: Andy the android is called that, and why is she
Speaker 1: called Rain? Just found out in the rain.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole idea of them living on this
Speaker 2: shitthole planet and just being stuck in this never ending
Speaker 2: cycle and trying to break away from this. This is
Speaker 2: stuff I can relate to as an American. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I get this whole thing. We're gonna keep moving the goalposts, Sanya.
Speaker 2: Pretty soon they're gonna raise a fucking retirement age and
Speaker 2: they're gonna change this role in that role. And it's
Speaker 2: just okay, I get it, and I get this so well.
Speaker 2: But then once they make the decision, oh there's a
Speaker 2: ship up there, we're going to go up to the ship.
Speaker 2: It's okay, cool boom. Five minutes later, we're off and
Speaker 2: that's it. And they just take off and like you said,
Speaker 2: it's okay, go someplace else. Then, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: get why you're so stuck on going to this space station. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out with these cryo tubes, you
Speaker 2: know what, they got enough power for three years. Let's
Speaker 2: go someplace that's three years close. I'm being a horrible person.
Speaker 2: I'm being awful.
Speaker 1: That's not what the script allowed them to do. That's
Speaker 1: not how the script was written, Mike. That's someone said,
Speaker 1: let's just make this alien again. Let's just have them
Speaker 1: on a space station and have aliens running around, and
Speaker 1: the scariest part of the movie being the face huggers,
Speaker 1: because that is the most compelling part of this movie
Speaker 1: is that sequence that was in the trailer where they're
Speaker 1: in the cryo room and there are quote something in
Speaker 1: the water and those things are the face huggers, And
Speaker 1: that is the best scene in this entire movie. It
Speaker 1: really is. It's compelling, it's different. There are some stakes,
Speaker 1: there are some components going on, because there's the android
Speaker 1: in there who's rebooting, and then there's the two other
Speaker 1: guys whose names you couldn't get me to remember even
Speaker 1: if I tried. And yeah, and on top of everything else,
Speaker 1: let's mention something else, something we haven't really talked about
Speaker 1: alluded to it that the characters are fodder. Are there
Speaker 1: any good death scenes in this movie, even with the
Speaker 1: usage of the way the aliens work other than is
Speaker 1: the chest burster scene in this movie good? Is a
Speaker 1: question I want to ask, because I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: They showed the entire thing in the trailer, and the
Speaker 1: only thing they didn't show in the trailer is the
Speaker 1: shot of the alien popping out of her chest, and
Speaker 1: then when you see it, thoroughly underwhelming in a way
Speaker 1: that I was not expecting. Given the guy who directed
Speaker 1: this fucking movie and wrote it is the guy who
Speaker 1: had blood raining from the skies, like it's a fucking
Speaker 1: Slayer song and evil dead, okay, and this is just
Speaker 1: a little, just hatch of the alien popping out. What
Speaker 1: in the fuck man for? Really, it's a waste of
Speaker 1: time because then when we have the alien doing alien things,
Speaker 1: there's not a big enough cast to see people getting
Speaker 1: fucking oviscerated anyways, And we get a quick shot of
Speaker 1: one of the two guys getting murdered by an alien,
Speaker 1: and it's like the movies rated PG. Thirteen and it
Speaker 1: doesn't even want to show you what's happening with any
Speaker 1: amount of detail, which, again not saying I need to
Speaker 1: see guys heads exploding or anything, but the movies rated
Speaker 1: are you're clearly aware that you can do essentially whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck you want. You're not, so I just don't
Speaker 1: understand why you're not, is probably what I'm getting at.
Speaker 2: Here's how excited for the movie I was.
Speaker 5: I avoided every tra I somehow managed to avoid yet
Speaker 5: every piece of media. So with the axtray thing, when
Speaker 5: she first picks it up, I was like, Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 5: Well that's a cool piece of tech, and didn't think
Speaker 5: it was gonna pay off, So that actually worked for me.
Speaker 5: But when the little alien bursts out, yeah, I think
Speaker 5: Alvarez was just trying to be different than the John
Speaker 5: hurt one, and boy he existed. He succeeded. Talk about phallic.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, that was the most phallic chest burster I've
Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. I know, there's basically a
Speaker 2: foreskin out of a chest burster, but you get to see that,
Speaker 2: you get to see the blue veins. I'm just like, Wow, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're just not hiding it anymore now, why I should it?
Speaker 1: I like Zeppenises, I like to make every sing phallic.
Speaker 1: Thanks hr.
Speaker 5: But I will say about that chess burster scene, I
Speaker 5: like the dynamics of what was going on in it
Speaker 5: with the shuttle and then like slowly crashing. In fact,
Speaker 5: one thing I really liked in the movie was all
Speaker 5: of the space stuff, all of the ships and all
Speaker 5: of it all felt heavy. There was gravity to it all,
Speaker 5: and it all felt very realistic and very of that universe.
Speaker 5: So I think they succeeded one hundred percent there and
Speaker 5: including in that sequence.
Speaker 1: The influence of Ron Cobbs still looms large in this franchise,
Speaker 1: thank god, because yeah, then while they may not be
Speaker 1: kit bashing anymore with the ways that they're designing things,
Speaker 1: they're kit bashing in three D rendering. Because yeah, everything
Speaker 1: feels That's the thing about this movie. Everything feels proper alien.
Speaker 1: Everything really does. Everything looks like alien, feels like alien.
Speaker 1: It's just poorly executed. But it's a It's a beautiful movie.
Speaker 1: Eighty million dollars produced by Disney. Oh your movie doesn't
Speaker 1: look good. That's a bigger problem at this point, because
Speaker 1: where did the money go? At least if we can see,
Speaker 1: the visual effects look pretty good, the set design looks
Speaker 1: pretty great, the production design and the costume design is great. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can concede that there's a fair amount of money
Speaker 1: going into that. But again, a movie looking nice in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four that the big budget studio movie. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Borderlands looked fine. Clearly wasn't a good movie and execution,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it looked fine. But again, low of
Speaker 1: low bars to cross.
Speaker 5: Here's the other thing I like that, and this tying
Speaker 5: back into what I said earlier about showing the aliens
Speaker 5: and how intelligent they are. There's a scene where the
Speaker 5: Android has given each of the characters new pulse rifles.
Speaker 5: These are before the pulse rifles that the colonial Marines
Speaker 5: will have fifty years from now. So now NERD's have
Speaker 5: a whole new model. They have to go three D print.
Speaker 5: But anyway, it gives them their guns and tells them
Speaker 5: don't use them because they have acid blood and they'll
Speaker 5: kill kill us all. And they say why do you
Speaker 5: give them to us? And he says, I think they'll
Speaker 5: think that it is a deterrent. And it is so
Speaker 5: that one scene where there's like a group of full
Speaker 5: grown aliens coming around the corner, climbing on the wall
Speaker 5: and she holds up the gun and they all pause.
Speaker 5: That scene somehow that the image of them like pausing
Speaker 5: and waiting, and I don't know, I thought that was
Speaker 5: really evocative, like really like worthy of the rest of
Speaker 5: the series of movies, like the things with the actual
Speaker 5: adult alien in this movie, like I've knocked my socks off,
Speaker 5: it's just everything else hanging on.
Speaker 2: It is bad.
Speaker 5: But I will say this because I think I did
Speaker 5: like this movie more than you, Because I will never
Speaker 5: watch Prometheus or Covenant again, and I will watch this again,
Speaker 5: at least for what we're what we were just talking
Speaker 5: about the production design and like spending two hours in
Speaker 5: this world.
Speaker 2: I will watch it again.
Speaker 1: I can't argue that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the performance that Andy Gibbs is enough
Speaker 2: to possibly bring me back. And there's a few things.
Speaker 2: I thought. It was interesting that we're trying to fight
Speaker 2: Aliens with cold rather than fire, which again takes me
Speaker 2: back to Alien Resurrection with the little bread dwarf machine
Speaker 2: that he's got where it sprays them with the cold stuff,
Speaker 2: and then what she tries to use it again later on
Speaker 2: it doesn't work, Like, Okay, great, I thought we were
Speaker 2: going to have instead of flamethrowers, we're going to have
Speaker 2: ice throwers or prayo fuel, which apparently is very cold.
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, great.
Speaker 1: You know in space no one can hear you.
Speaker 2: There are some interesting things in this film, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it's enough for me. It's more interesting and
Speaker 2: more enjoyable. And I actually for all of my complaints
Speaker 2: about not knowing these characters, when you get to Covenant,
Speaker 2: other than David, I don't know any of those people whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I'm like hard pressed to even remember. I think what
Speaker 2: doctor Manhattan was one of the scientists and Danny McBride
Speaker 2: and then poor James Franco just gets all the scenes
Speaker 2: cut out. It's otherwise I'm just left with the lady
Speaker 2: with the dark hair, and yeah, that's all about I remember.
Speaker 1: Or Katharine Waterston was just in big franchise movies there
Speaker 1: for a while and they were not good because she
Speaker 1: was also the female lead in those Fantastic Beast movies
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh man, I feel so bad for you.
Speaker 1: Sam Waterston's daughter is just getting She's like the female
Speaker 1: Idris Elba. Can you be in something good that the
Speaker 1: big budget thing as opposed to just being good in
Speaker 1: all the non big budget stuff you're in.
Speaker 5: Because he's Shaw, we want to love you. Stop picking
Speaker 5: these franchises.
Speaker 1: What is wrong with you?
Speaker 2: I'm rewatching the slot slight version and just even in
Speaker 2: that shitty video quality, that Ian Holmes ness of it
Speaker 2: is just it really disturbs me. I don't tend to
Speaker 2: just focus on just how bad CG can get, but
Speaker 2: this just really hurts to watch.
Speaker 1: Remember those sales commercials with Humphrey Bogart. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: remember that's where this all started. That was like the
Speaker 1: initial onus behind this is like, can we have dead
Speaker 1: people sell rings, and now can we have dead people
Speaker 1: be in movies and pay some dude like sag Minimum.
Speaker 1: He's into the work of a real actor, because that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Daniel Betts does the voice for Ian Holmes character,
Speaker 1: because there's someone doing an Ian Holmes impersonation. He's great.
Speaker 1: It's just sad that there's all this other stuff surrounding
Speaker 1: it because I just, yeah, I don't under would it
Speaker 1: would not It have been enough to just have the
Speaker 1: voice of Ian Holme coming out of a robot that
Speaker 1: looks different and the people that get it just be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: it's like an Ian Holme thing as it was, just
Speaker 1: like it is Ian home on the screen. Please acknowledge.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. Please stop forcing this down my
Speaker 1: throat like a fucking face hugger's too, don't do it.
Speaker 2: And had they moved on to another model, because that's
Speaker 2: the thing with Alien three, the whole thing of Bishop
Speaker 2: coming back and it's oh, is this actually Bishop? No,
Speaker 2: it can't be Bishop. So who is this guy? Is
Speaker 2: this the guy that Bishop was based on? Or is
Speaker 2: this another android that look or sorry, artificial person that
Speaker 2: looks like Bishop? And I like that they leave it
Speaker 2: a little bit vague there, but then in this one
Speaker 2: it's like, oh no, they just have models and they
Speaker 2: all look alike. Like, so we're doing a little Picard
Speaker 2: season one thing here.
Speaker 1: And isn't Father Malone birkt me if I'm wrong. That's
Speaker 1: in Isolation. All the robots look the same, all the
Speaker 1: synthetics look the same.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking that.
Speaker 1: Actually it's like a plastic like a plastic burn mask
Speaker 1: just over a robot body. It's just it's literally the
Speaker 1: CPR dummies.
Speaker 5: Crash to the dummies basically. Yeah, yeah, and they're horrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking they're more scary that. Here's the thing, Alien Isolation.
Speaker 1: It's a great Alien game, but the fucking robots are
Speaker 1: more horrifying than the alien is. They kill you in
Speaker 1: two hits. Whack you twice and you're dead.
Speaker 5: No disagree. I think they are very scary. But there
Speaker 5: is nothing made me more frightened of the other than
Speaker 5: the original movie of the Alien than playing that game.
Speaker 5: You hear it coming, man, they just hied and you
Speaker 5: pray because it knows you're that. It's really scary.
Speaker 1: Hiding in the lockers and watching it walking around in
Speaker 1: the room and you can move back in the locker
Speaker 1: too to pull yourself back away from it. Yeah, video
Speaker 1: games are the superior art form for certain things. They
Speaker 1: just are. And with this Alien kind of is made
Speaker 1: for that kind of story to be interacted with in
Speaker 1: a way that is more closely tied to the person
Speaker 1: having the experience is interacting with the alien directly. And
Speaker 1: that's what Alien as a franchise because always wanted is
Speaker 1: to put you in the shoes of the people there,
Speaker 1: and by having it be just a spaceship with a
Speaker 1: small amount of people, you can make that feel like
Speaker 1: anywhere else other than space where you couldn't run away.
Speaker 1: An Alien isolation captures that in a way that yeah,
Speaker 1: like we've already alluded to, nothing else really ever has,
Speaker 1: and now this is the first thing that's tried to
Speaker 1: even and it fails. It really fails in terms of
Speaker 1: just being a worthwhile sequel to Alien. It just ends
Speaker 1: up being a sequel to everything, not specifically Alien, which
Speaker 1: is fine, but nobody asked for that. That was a
Speaker 1: choice that was made specifically by the writers and directors
Speaker 1: and producers of the film.
Speaker 5: Okay, here's what I'm asking for. Here are my two ideas.
Speaker 5: If anyone from the franchise is listening, make these movies.
Speaker 5: I would like to see a movie made from the
Speaker 5: alien point of view.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, in a violent nature.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I'd like to, yes exactly, like where days
Speaker 5: we see how horrible we are to them. Like, I'd
Speaker 5: like that movie. I would also like a Predator style movie.
Speaker 5: You want to do it on a space station, put
Speaker 5: it wherever you want. I want to see one person
Speaker 5: against an alien. They're hunting each other for the entire movie,
Speaker 5: like the stuff I was talking about then, I like
Speaker 5: in the movie every time we get to see them
Speaker 5: like plotting and scheming and like being more than just
Speaker 5: the sort of beast that they look like. I'd like
Speaker 5: to see that like throughout a movie, like setting traps
Speaker 5: and doing shit. That could be really fun.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the alien comes up and opens up its mouth
Speaker 2: and the second side of Jaws is there, and the
Speaker 2: guy just goes clever. Girl.
Speaker 1: I was talking about this last night with Ryan from
Speaker 1: Someone's Favorite Productions, Like where does this go from here?
Speaker 1: I think is ultimately like the final question to answer here,
Speaker 1: the kind of big thing to think about, because, like
Speaker 1: I alluded to the way this movie ends, there's no
Speaker 1: reason to return to these characters. There's nothing there. There's
Speaker 1: no cliff and there's no overt cliffhanger like at the
Speaker 1: end of Covenant, which is clearly never going to be
Speaker 1: resolved at this which is perfectly fine. But this movie
Speaker 1: just ends and it's they're not drifting out through space
Speaker 1: like alien or Aliens. It's just they're going to Yuvanga
Speaker 1: or wherever the fuck they're going, and they'll get there
Speaker 1: and they'll be fine and whatever. I don't care about
Speaker 1: their story, So where does it go from here? There?
Speaker 1: My mind goes immediately too. They're just gonna make aliens again,
Speaker 1: and like, why haven't they?
Speaker 2: Apparently they're supposed to make something called Alien Earth after.
Speaker 1: They showed a preview for that, and in my theater,
Speaker 1: actually I wanted to ask you guys about that. So
Speaker 1: there was it was like a three or four second
Speaker 1: maybe ten at the most teaser, and it was the
Speaker 1: shot of the Earth being reflected on something. And then
Speaker 1: you realize as it's moving, the thing is moving up,
Speaker 1: that it's actually the reflection of the Earth on the
Speaker 1: top of the alien's carapace, like on the top of
Speaker 1: his head, and it moves up and he goes and
Speaker 1: it's Alien Earth somewhere twenty twenty five, and that's a
Speaker 1: Hulu thing. But and now they're finally taking the Aliens
Speaker 1: to Earth.
Speaker 5: Is this the end of that series?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 5: What's the Noah Hawley is doing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: That is that that? I believe that is the series?
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 5: I'm going to watch it because it's like an alien universe.
Speaker 5: He actually knows it's not going to be the Earth
Speaker 5: war that we want. It's not going to be the
Speaker 5: dark Horse comics.
Speaker 2: No No, And they've been promising that since Alien three.
Speaker 2: When they first had the posters for Alien three, it said,
Speaker 2: this time it's hiding in the most terrifying place of
Speaker 2: all I don't find I've said this many times before.
Speaker 2: I don't find Sigourney Weaver's stomach to be that terrifying.
Speaker 2: I figure it was going to be Earth, and they
Speaker 2: even had it was tied in with the poster or
Speaker 2: with the really early teaser preview, and it was, oh,
Speaker 2: this is going to be fantastic. And they've been on
Speaker 2: Earth with Alien versus Predator and Alien what was it
Speaker 2: versus Predator requiem? That position nobody saw because it was
Speaker 2: so dark.
Speaker 1: And not lit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I went to the theater. I can't
Speaker 2: say I saw the movie, but yeah, it was. Oh god,
Speaker 2: that was awful. I really liked the first Alien Versus
Speaker 2: Predator and that was cool that it was all isolated
Speaker 2: and a little bit like the thing that we're doing
Speaker 2: this down in Antarctica.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is guys, that's its
Speaker 1: own fucking timeline too. By the way, that exists separate
Speaker 1: from Alien and Predator. That is not They're not cannon either.
Speaker 1: Alien and AVP Requiem are their own things, separate from
Speaker 1: everything on top of everything else.
Speaker 2: And I'm okay with that. The thing that was getting
Speaker 2: me was this hole, we need to explain what Whalen
Speaker 2: and Utani are and that we have. Oh, mister Whalen's
Speaker 2: joining us. Oh, bring that box to mister Utani. I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't give a shit, guys, just get
Speaker 2: the fuck on with it.
Speaker 1: I wonder why they've never done another colonial Marines thing,
Speaker 1: Like why they've never just gone down that road of
Speaker 1: all the things. Just get a bunch of semi charismatic
Speaker 1: actors together, throw them into an Alien's esque setting, and
Speaker 1: just have the radio silence guys who did those Scream
Speaker 1: sequels and Abigail, have them do it. It'll be they
Speaker 1: know how to work and write for the ensemble cast
Speaker 1: of people, clearly, and they could do it. And look,
Speaker 1: they actually have a sense of fun to what they
Speaker 1: do as opposed to it being just grim dark and series.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Alien Romulus was grim darkin series, but
Speaker 1: trying to be Alien, it's not trying to be Aliens.
Speaker 1: There's not necessarily the sense of fun that you get
Speaker 1: from Aliens, which is I think a action and fun
Speaker 1: movie in a lot of ways that almost nothing else
Speaker 1: in the franchise ever gets to because everything else is
Speaker 1: doing its own thing or trying to just be a
Speaker 1: horror movie. I think that's where this needs to go.
Speaker 1: Take that and just do the Aliens thing again. Why not?
Speaker 1: What's the worst that can happen? You get a entertaining
Speaker 1: action movie with semi charismatic actors or really charismatic actors
Speaker 1: fighting aliens for two hours. I mean it worked for
Speaker 1: James Cameron. You're telling me someone hasn't thought in the
Speaker 1: last forty years to just do that again. I don't
Speaker 1: get it. Alien, But why do we need to redo
Speaker 1: Alien why not just redo aliens? Is there not more
Speaker 1: room with that to do more? No, okay, we'll just
Speaker 1: have them shooting aliens a little bit in this movie
Speaker 1: that's evocative of aliens, not really, but in the scheme
Speaker 1: of this movie versus Alien. Yes, they have guns in
Speaker 1: this movie. They're shooting aliens. That never happens in Alien
Speaker 1: and he literally goes, what does he say, He's rig
Speaker 1: up some of those incinerators, which that line always made
Speaker 1: me think these aren't even a thing that they're ever
Speaker 1: using for anything other than a technical purpose. It's not
Speaker 1: to defend themselves.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, they're in a cargo ship. They don't
Speaker 2: need yippins exactly.
Speaker 1: It's okay. Aliens is such a fun movie because now
Speaker 1: the Aliens are the ones that are outmatched, until you
Speaker 1: realize that's not the case so clearly. But that's because
Speaker 1: James Cameron actually took a right instead of going left.
Speaker 1: And I want someone to do that with this franchise
Speaker 1: at this point, because it's not that the Aliens aren't scary,
Speaker 1: far from it, but the Alien has been scary in
Speaker 1: other things so successfully you don't think anyone else can
Speaker 1: do it as well. I mean clearly with something this
Speaker 1: they tried and think. Sure, it's scary, it's entertaining, but
Speaker 1: the original Alien will never be matched in actually being
Speaker 1: unsettling and creepy and disturbing and creating a sense of
Speaker 1: dread throughout the movie that can't be escaped because you're
Speaker 1: on a fucking space station cargo ship. However, whatever it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but this one could have gotten there had it
Speaker 5: not been saddled with all of the worst characters and
Speaker 5: all of the sort of bullshit fan service and all
Speaker 5: that kind of nonsense.
Speaker 1: Just as close as it's gotten since Alien.
Speaker 5: I wanted to take a right turn as well. But
Speaker 5: I don't think we need to make Aliens again. I
Speaker 5: want them to do something interesting that we haven't seen before.
Speaker 5: Stop fucking echoing all of the shit from the past.
Speaker 5: We've been there already, Do something new.
Speaker 1: I have an idea here. What if Kaylee, Spanny and
Speaker 1: Andy there was a face hugger on board, and let's
Speaker 1: say that they crashed on a wood planet. Okay, and
Speaker 1: let's say that the face hugger got Kaye Spanny. How
Speaker 1: would you feel about that? Father Along two close to
Speaker 1: Alien three, I.
Speaker 2: Would you know? What I would ask.
Speaker 5: Everything after aliens doesn't make any sense to me, because
Speaker 5: how does an alien get on the fucking Silaca.
Speaker 1: Magic plot armor an egg?
Speaker 5: Don't they show eggs falling over with the wood flames
Speaker 5: covering and stuff. How did they get there? The Queen,
Speaker 5: we say here, tear away from her Ova pod and
Speaker 5: come running after Ripley and then gets on the ship.
Speaker 1: Where did the fucking eggs come from?
Speaker 2: I wish I knew you would think that, of all
Speaker 2: the things Ripley would do, she would make sure there's
Speaker 2: no goddamn aliens on that ship. Before they have motion trackers.
Speaker 2: They would just walk around the ship.
Speaker 1: And yeah, smart characters acting stupid is a great way
Speaker 1: to get your sequel to a movie rolling in the
Speaker 1: wrong direction.
Speaker 2: That's this movie too. When they're trying to go through.
Speaker 2: First off, it cracks me up that we're still using
Speaker 2: fahrenheit in space here. That's fantastic to get the room
Speaker 2: up to ninety eight point six fahrenheit walk through this
Speaker 2: thing and then have your fucking radio on. And that
Speaker 2: doesn't immediately trigger because they're like, oh, they're attracted to sound,
Speaker 2: but really more it's the heat. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: but yet he's just basically having a conversation with the
Speaker 2: pregnant lady the whole and I'm like, shut the fuck
Speaker 2: up and get out of there, you idiot.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I thought just her through this speaker would be
Speaker 5: enough to trigger them speak. It would be him going
Speaker 5: please stop that scene. It should have been successfully, it
Speaker 5: was not for me. Were the trek through face hugger hollow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was basically when they swim under the ship,
Speaker 2: not the Betty, I can't Betty was the ship that
Speaker 2: they came in on, but in Alien Resurrection, when they
Speaker 2: go underneath and they're in the cafeteria coming up on
Speaker 2: the other side, I'm like, oh, this is like that,
Speaker 2: like we have to go through this impossible area and
Speaker 2: we don't know what's gonna happen. But no, we'll fuck
Speaker 2: that up too.
Speaker 1: Look it's gonna it's gonna check enough boxes for enough
Speaker 1: people and we are not.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've seen people like oh I'm going to
Speaker 2: see it for a third time today. I'm like, wow, okay, great.
Speaker 5: If we can get a Colonial Marines television series, it's
Speaker 5: like maybe just a limited show. I'm sure those Marines
Speaker 5: font more than Aliens. They seem to have a history
Speaker 5: with aliens prior to the xeno More, I feel like
Speaker 5: they were clearly unprepared for it, but it doesn't mean
Speaker 5: that they haven't tangled with other things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is this gonna be another bug hunt? You know?
Speaker 2: And then they've got that what is it art Arcturian
Speaker 2: pussy that they're after? Doesn't matter if it's Arturian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man or woman apparently. Yeah. I think about that
Speaker 1: because I like, like, you've clearly alluded to an aliens
Speaker 1: in that in the hangar scene, they're like, it's another
Speaker 1: bug hunt. There might be a xenomorph, Okay, so they
Speaker 1: know there's some awareness the term xenomorph. These guys don't
Speaker 1: just go a lot when they hear it. They're a
Speaker 1: little nonplussed, it would seem so, but again, xenomorphos Again.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing about this franchise that immediately, like
Speaker 1: when people are talking about it, like the xenomorph actually
Speaker 1: is not the alien. That's just that's just the name
Speaker 1: that they're giving broadly to aliens in this series in general.
Speaker 1: The Xenomorph's not actually the name of the alien at all.
Speaker 1: It never has been. I think the one time it's
Speaker 1: used in the entire original four movies. Is in aliens
Speaker 1: when they say xenomorph because I guess James Cameron's like,
Speaker 1: we have to say zeno more for whatever reason. But
Speaker 1: xenomorph is not the name of the alien. That's never
Speaker 1: been actually the name. That's just what they're talking about
Speaker 1: in that scene. But all aliens broadly in the Alien
Speaker 1: universe are zenomorphs because it's.
Speaker 5: That's because the alien was really selfish and he said,
Speaker 5: I'll just tank that alien. That's mine. Now, if you
Speaker 5: refer to an alien, you're talking about me, and you
Speaker 5: know what, He's right, that's.
Speaker 2: That whole thing. Baby Yoda is not actually a Yoda.
Speaker 2: Yoda is a is something, but we don't know what
Speaker 2: he is, and so that's not a baby Yoda. Come on, guys,
Speaker 2: it really makes me mad. Come on, just call him Grogu.
Speaker 2: Don't dead name Brogu. Wow here I am nepicking. I
Speaker 2: just feel like such an asshole.
Speaker 1: Hey, I hope we get more alien stuff. We clearly are,
Speaker 1: but maybe not this maybe not alien again, right? I
Speaker 1: just Predator has had, like all these movies have had
Speaker 1: so many missteps at this point. We have we haven't
Speaker 1: mentioned the one franchise that this does get compared to
Speaker 1: and I think now it's broken away from being compared
Speaker 1: to it. But there was a time where this franchise
Speaker 1: was compared to Terminator in the same breath.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, has fought Aliens in the comics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sure have. And I believe at one point
Speaker 1: the Terminator and the Alien and the Predator squared off
Speaker 1: with each other.
Speaker 5: Are you saying one is better than another? What are
Speaker 5: you saying one franchise is better?
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying that. But I think that Alien is
Speaker 1: as broken free from the problems that Terminator now has
Speaker 1: more than ever. But I don't think that's a broken
Speaker 1: free maybe a couple degrees, but I still think they're
Speaker 1: still spinning in gravity about to slam into the same plan.
Speaker 1: I think Terminator is just a lot further along with
Speaker 1: how bad everything has been since Terminator two and how
Speaker 1: many Terminator movies since you said it yourself, father, I'm like,
Speaker 1: since Aliens, none of this really has mattered in any
Speaker 1: substantive way to the point where they retcon the beginning
Speaker 1: of Alien three. I don't know if you guys know
Speaker 1: about that, but in the Alien Colonial Marines game, which
Speaker 1: is Cannon, yeah, kicks, is still alive. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's.
Speaker 2: Books Hicks and Newton are still alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's Oh you mean the characters from Aliens,
Speaker 1: the second best movie in this franchise, they didn't deserve
Speaker 1: to die off screen? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That is all such Hill and Geiler stuff. Walter Hill,
Speaker 2: I love a lot of his work, but him and
Speaker 2: Aliens do not go together. Like, every while I was
Speaker 2: doing my research on Alien three, every bad decision was
Speaker 2: coming right from those two.
Speaker 1: Geiler is such a fucking dick, and he tried so
Speaker 1: hard to make sure Dan O'Bannon didn't get a fucking credit.
Speaker 1: And every time I see him on those documentaries that
Speaker 1: I watch every now and then about this franchise, it
Speaker 1: makes me so angry that they gave him any amount
Speaker 1: of screen time and he can just sit there and
Speaker 1: talk about this franchise like he has anything to do
Speaker 1: with it other than being a fucking parasitic fish on
Speaker 1: the side of a shark or whale, just hanging on
Speaker 1: while everybody else is going for a ride. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. So much of this is just attributed
Speaker 1: to idiots who have no idea what doing. But they
Speaker 1: were successful in other avenues. So they get to say
Speaker 1: they have their saying that the fuck this shit.
Speaker 5: Come on, Look, there were a lot of contributors to
Speaker 5: that first Alien movie and what made it successful and
Speaker 5: to their credit, and I think it's Walter Hill more
Speaker 5: than Dave Geiler. He made it more, working class made it.
Speaker 5: They're like basically space starkers and give me my shares.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the bonus situation that came from them,
Speaker 5: and I appreciate that, but the rest of it's fucking
Speaker 5: obanon except for the chest burster. That's wrong. Let's choose it.
Speaker 5: But then the next movie is a singular vision because
Speaker 5: Cameron writes and directs it. And then everything after that
Speaker 5: is just stumbling and falling down because nobody has shown
Speaker 5: up and gone, here's what the movie needs to be.
Speaker 5: And then and them said, and them saying, okay, go
Speaker 5: ahead and do that. It's all my committee.
Speaker 1: Now the committee has spoken, and I guess they wanted
Speaker 1: fan service until there's nothing else.
Speaker 2: If she don't like the comb bread either.
Speaker 1: Now me either, None of us do. God, but that
Speaker 1: dipper bird, guys, I'm glad I saw it again in
Speaker 1: this series. I was wondering where it was this whole time.
Speaker 5: I think it's worth the watch. I don't think you
Speaker 5: should go out to theaters and see it. It's no
Speaker 5: worse than a couple of the other Alien movies. What's
Speaker 5: been passing for the movies. In my estimation, Hey.
Speaker 2: I would say, when it shows up on Hulu, go
Speaker 2: ahead and watch it the way it was intended to
Speaker 2: be watched.
Speaker 1: Watch it dumped on Hulu where it deserved to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in agreement with y'all. I think if this is
Speaker 1: something you're really passionate and motivated about, if you're a
Speaker 1: fan of the Alien franchise, I think it might I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think you're gonna be fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: You might either be able to overlook some of the
Speaker 1: stuff and really appreciate it. Because I have close friends
Speaker 1: that are big fans of the franchise that really enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: And then there's people like ourselves who are equally as
Speaker 1: big fans of the franchise that did not enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Because it's not that we wanted something different, it's that
Speaker 1: the movie should have known better than to do some
Speaker 1: of the things that just don't need to be trotted
Speaker 1: out again. At this point, in me at this point
Speaker 1: in the history of the franchise, because we've had It's
Speaker 1: not like Ghostbusters, where there's thirty years between the movies.
Speaker 1: There was an Alien movie that came out five years ago. Like,
Speaker 1: why are we doing SEQL legacy sequel baiting and fan
Speaker 1: service shit when Alien movies have actually been coming out.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. This is a sequel to Alien,
Speaker 1: is what this wants to be, and that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And in a lot of ways, it being a legacy
Speaker 1: sequel to Alien is the big overriding problem with this movie.
Speaker 1: If it had not been an a Alien legacy sequel,
Speaker 1: I think we would have enjoyed this movie a lot
Speaker 1: more because it would have been giving itself a lot
Speaker 1: more room to do interesting things with And instead it
Speaker 1: just wants to be an Alien sequel, which is fine.
Speaker 1: I just I didn't want that.
Speaker 5: I think what we got here. I think you're right,
Speaker 5: both of you about the sort of the studio meddling.
Speaker 5: The more I think about it now, I think in
Speaker 5: it somewhere in between dealing with a studio that really
Speaker 5: wants a hard reboot of this series and wants to
Speaker 5: bring back all the fans because they're trying to put
Speaker 5: distance between them and the fucking previous two Ridley Scott movies,
Speaker 5: like you have them on one side, and on the
Speaker 5: other side you have Ridley Scott, So like, how do
Speaker 5: you satisfy both those masters? And like, in that light,
Speaker 5: this is a tremendous success. But I would like to
Speaker 5: have seen what Fede Alvarez would have done without any
Speaker 5: fealty to either side. Just take the characters, take or
Speaker 5: take the alien, and then do whatever the hell you
Speaker 5: want with it. I want to see that movie very
Speaker 5: very much.
Speaker 1: That's called twenty fourteen's Evil Dead. It really is. The
Speaker 1: amount of fan service in that movie is negligible at best.
Speaker 1: There's an ecronomicon and that's about it, and there's a
Speaker 1: cabin in the woods and that's about it. Right allsova.
Speaker 2: But to be fair, I had a post credit sequence
Speaker 2: that was the only part of the movie I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: With ash at the end you mean, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'm not a big fan of that movie.
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand the original Evil Dead is
Speaker 1: say I love it, I'm with you, I like I'm
Speaker 1: with Father Malone. I like it a lot, But I
Speaker 1: can understand where someone like yourself, Mike, who's a fan
Speaker 1: of the franchise as a whole. Similarly to this, either
Speaker 1: you're either gonna like it or you're not. There's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of middle ground there, And I
Speaker 1: am with Father Malone. I like twenty fourteen's Evil Dead,
Speaker 1: but it is the right way to do a legacy
Speaker 1: sequel without any of the fan baiting and nostalgic bullshit,
Speaker 1: because again, they didn't have they didn't have Bruce Campbell
Speaker 1: walk in stage right and be like, hey, everybody, it's me.
Speaker 1: I'm ash remember. Oh no, then that's the right way
Speaker 1: to do it. But that movis came at the very end.
Speaker 2: He's just out of my way. I've handled these dead
Speaker 2: dits before.
Speaker 1: Just like Ghostbusters Afterlife, they just show up in the
Speaker 1: last frame of the movie to save the day. M
Speaker 1: hm great, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to thank my co host on this
Speaker 2: episode this week where we are talking about alien rhyme miulss. So,
Speaker 2: mister Christashu, please tell us what are you up to
Speaker 2: these days, sir?
Speaker 1: I am doing audio diversions over at weirdingwaymedia dot com. Well,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I thought I was busy, but apparently not.
Speaker 2: Apparently you're the one throwing down the gauntlet now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, god he good lord dude. Twice a week. It's
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