Speaker 1: What is Pelosicos? I am dan Fa Valley coming at
you as always with the one, the only, the legendary
D and Deli Bull, the certified fantabulous mister Grant Hughes.
We're both very excited, not because we change content plans
since there's just no covering the NBA normally right now
with the trade deadline coming up that we're going to
lean into that. We're excited because my MIC is plugged
in and working on like our three hour Western Conference
trade deadline primer where I did manipulate the audio's best
I couldn't post, but I was not happy afterwards. So
I'm ecstatic that my MIC is working this time. Grant,
how are you doing?
Speaker 2: Though? I'm doing well and you sound more importantly fantastic.
Speaker 1: You told me that last time too, though, so I
feel like I just can't take you.
Speaker 2: I thought it was fine. I don't know. Maybe my
ears are going or I just have lower audio quality
standards than you do, probably both.
Speaker 1: I just maybe it's that I just assumed that you
knew I was gonna harp on it, and you just
like get this idiot to shut up, Like no, you
sounded great the acoustics were amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, what I said was, I wouldn't
have noticed if you hadn't said anything, which is not
a total disregard of like it sounded less than perfect,
but again, wouldn't have noticed. I feel like that's a
fair And I also was like, let's let's try to
let's avoid Dan spiraling on this issue. So that's you know,
I try to do that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes neither of us are going to spiral as we
try something new here where. If you've been around for
a while, you've seen me react to articles that have
trade ideas. We're both gonna do it. This time. Bleacher
Report put out a piece one new trade idea for
every NBA team one week before the twenty twenty five
NBA trade deadline. We have not looked at any of it,
or grant Lie granted he looked at the first trade
the other twenty ninety is not. We're just going to
react to them, give our thoughts, and anything we say
is with all due respect because as the author of
as the authors of these pieces in the past, and
I was just asked this, I want a real gam
radio with Wes S. Goldberg asked me, like, what goes
into making a fake trade. And my snarky response was,
I'm trying to just piss off as many people as
possible because I love it when everyone's angry and saying
mean things to me. That is still the dumbest, like
people saying, here's that attention you wanted. It's like, yeah,
I made this so that people would yell at me
online and make me feel bad about myself. I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you have a preface of that nature because
I was gonna say, these are fucking hard to do,
and I personally don't like doing them. So Zach, who
did this great respect, We've worked with him forever, Like,
these are hard. I'm not sure anybody would do these
of their own volition. There are things called assignments, and
we all got to do them at our jobs, and
we do the best we can. And Zach, the one
trade I looked at already, I loved it, so like,
I just I'm just echoing what you're saying, like we
are not knocking anything here. These are really hard, and
if you can come up with a like half of
these that are any good, you've succeeded. So I just
I wanted to throw that out there too.
Speaker 1: And for only the things they're not hard. We should
do something. Join our discord, and at some point, maybe
over the off season, was like, we'll take your trade
submissions and then allow us give us permission to pick
them apart like a typical comment or would, and we'll
show you what that good for. Anybody think, could you
be that not sadistics not the right word, but could
you be that intentionally annoying? I think I could do it?
Speaker 2: Could I? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Try me. All right, we are beginning alphabetically, and we're
not in charge of the alphabet this time, which is
a huge plus. We're just gonna go along with Zach
with the Atlanta Hawks. So what he's got here is
the Hawks getting Yaka Perle from the Toronto Raptors and
sending to Toronto Clint Capella, Kobe Buffkin, a twenty twenty
five second round pick via the Wolves and a twenty
twenty seven second round pick via the Clippers. So I
told you already, I kind of like this one. I
like it more first one team than the other. I'm
curious what your first reaction is to this.
Speaker 1: I don't love it for the rap because I guess
the logic here would be they want to get out
from under Yaka Peardles deal m hm, And you're getting
two seconds and we don't know Kobe Bufkins injured and
like he hasn't shown a ton and you have enough?
Do you have enough guard prospects at this point with
are you gonna keep davey On Mitchell, Jamal shed Ja,
Kobe Walter, Emmanuel Quickly's there?
Speaker 2: R J.
Speaker 1: Barrett is there. Yeah. I don't love this for the Raptors,
but it's a pretty I mean, Yaka Purdle and your
Yuka cung Wu excuse me as your front court not
gonna get a lot of spacing out of that, but
it's like two different, really type of bigs. That's I
like it for the Hawks.
Speaker 2: What about you? So I kind of like it for both.
My very first reaction was, I I think I prefer
it for Toronto just because I don't feel like Peardle
is is someone that like he's fine, right, He's like
a mid tier center. He's serviceable, like a decent decent starter.
You may maybe low end your mild, you'll vary. So
I like the idea of basically just swapping him for
a guy who plays the same position for the balance
of this year and is expiring money. So that's that's
where it starts for me. It's a flyer on Buffkin
who's hurt now and hasn't shown much, and you're getting
seconds for it, so like and then so I like
it for for the Raptors, and then for Atlanta again
no incentive to tank, don't control twenty five, twenty six,
twenty seven firsts. So you're getting someone in there that
I don't have this. I should have pulled up the
salaries for uh for Toronto, But like Purtle's got what
one more year after this one? Is it? Or is
it two?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it a four year deal? So you got two more?
Speaker 2: Okay? That like it a little less for that reason.
But the idea would be that you kind of you
can sort of be in a position where you have
an expiring decent sized salary fairly soon. I would have
liked it better if he was expiring next year. I
should have had that pulled up.
Speaker 1: He hasn't player option for the following year. I just
I the Bergs would come out about that pick that
Toronto ended up conveying. If it ends up becoming Kobe
Buffkin in two seconds essentially though, because if that's what
you turn Purtel into. I never would have thought of
this one though, So no Boston Celtics idea grant they
received Davonte Green I already love it for Boston, and
the Pelicans receive Jayden Springer and a two thousan thirty
second round pick.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so you're getting the Jaden Springer thing is
is a tax savings move. Green makes just lover what
he's make over too, So that's you're saving a couple
million dollars, which probably equates to like, what like eight million,
because you could save about sixteen if you don't Springer
for nothing. So it makes sense for Boston, Green, I
think you could. It's probably just better than Springer maybe
at least has shot it better. And then what New Orleans.
New Orleans does not duck the tax here though maybe
that's maybe that's the ding of.
Speaker 1: They go deeper into it, and so they would need
to have a note because they're not paying it. They
would I like getting a flyer on the twenty thirty
second round pick, and even just Jaden Springer for the
rest of the year. Have him go out there, see
what he can do defensively, especially with herb Joan injured,
you would have to have, like I think you need
moves for Jeremiah Robinson, our own Daniel Tye lined up
as well as dump so that then you still duck
the tax after this.
Speaker 2: Which is totally like, that's totally feasible. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just minimums you send them into and like
the twenty thirty second, I mean, Boston will probably still
be pretty good, but it's it's far enough down the
line that it's a it's a not a lottery ticket, literally,
but a second round lottery ticket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Brooklyn is going to get Marcus Smart,
Gig Jackson, and at twenty twenty five first which top
with top five protection from the Memphis Grizzlies for Cam Johnson.
So I think you're not getting the two firsts that
Brooklyn reportedly is kind of holding out for with Cam Johnson.
And I do think, you know, it's not the worst
thing to hold on to Cam Johnson. We've talked about
this a little bit through the deadline. If you don't
get what you want because your rebuild has you've got
the twenty five and twenty six firsts or control of
that back, so you can be bad next year. You
can wait to try to move him at the deadline. Again,
the risk is Cam Johnson's basically never been better, so
you probably want to move him now. There's no guarantee
that that his value is going up. I don't know.
I'm trying to think who I like this for the
most off rip. I think top five protection twenty five,
so that first coming from Memphis is going to be
in the twenty number five. This this hinges on Gigi Jackson, Right,
how good do you think he's going to be? Is he?
Is he someone? And I'd like very hard to say,
because he's just only recently come back, and so you're
absorbing Marcus Smart, who's got let's see another year left,
just one more year, right he So he'll be expiring
next year. Yeah, it's not the worst thing to have
a twenty something million dollar expiring contract if you're thinking
you're rebuilding again next year. I hesitate on Brooklyn side
because I think maybe you could do better than essentially
a late mid to late twenties first. But but if
you think gg Jackson is going to be something that's
the equivalent of another first, maybe right.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just think the other first, like the actual
first you're getting, needs to have more potential, especially because
they're taking on Smart's money, which is net negative right now.
So if Memphis moved it to a twenty twenty six first,
I think we're probably closer.
Speaker 2: Doesn't Brooklyn also have like four firsts in this draft
as it is?
Speaker 1: They do? I think they do have multiples. So yeah,
I mean and from the Grizzlies, I love the Cam
Johnson fit on offense, I would worry And maybe it
doesn't matter because Marcus Smart hasn't been healthy. We've talked
a lot about who's the point of attack defender guy
that you trust in the playoffs, and Scottie Pippen is small,
Jaylen Wells is a rookie that's not Desmond Baines's bag.
Will Vince Williams be healthy? So like, if you're getting
rid of Marcus Smart, you've now is like it's not
going to be him either. But I think if you
made this, would you still do it as Memphis if
it was a twenty twenty six first.
Speaker 2: What are the protections on it similar or like not
be top five? I don't think I would, even though
I love to get off Smarts basically turn Smart's money
into Cam Johnson. If I'm and if I am Brooklyn,
I'm definitely my preference is definitely to go farther out
with the pick if I can, for multiple reasons. But
you know, this might be, well, this might be what
you get for Cam Johnson. You might not that too
first soft or may just not be out there.
Speaker 1: And look, this would be the equivalent of two first.
I just what is Gigi Jackson in terms of first then,
because we already know that the twenty twenty five first
is gonna be in the bottom five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, for.
Speaker 1: Charlotte, they get David Roddy in a twenty twenty five
second round pick via Minnesota. There's gonna be a banger,
and then Atlantahawks get Vasa Mesich. I like this for Charlotte,
just load up on like additional second round I mean
Minnesota second round pick will be meh, but just get
additional second round picks. I mean, LaMelo's injured, so you
could use Vasa Mitchitz's playmaking. But at the same time,
you're not trying to win games at this point anyway.
I think you can justify this for both size, and
with the Hawks, I don't know what their aspirations are
post jail and Johnson injury, but they need another playmaker.
I mean, they need a lot of stuff, but they
need another playmaker type. And Mesich his money for next
year is non guaranteed, so you either get rid of
him or you could guarantee it and try to use him.
Speaker 2: As part of another move. Yeah, it's just for Atlanta.
It's fairly clear. You're just I mean, it's kind of
it seems more like a next year focused move, although
you like, they do need the Hawks to actually need
another point guard esque player, so I kind of like
it for Atlanta. Uh, Charlotte, I guess the twenty five
second from the Wolves that's going to be I don't
know what forty forty something, mid forties, late forties. Maybe yeah,
might be worth it. Although like, if you're Charlotte, maybe
you just want I guess you know what, if you're Charlotte,
it's more valuable to you to get an asset than
to have the like flexibility of Michich is non guarantee. Right,
you're getting something, So I guess I get it from
both sides here.
Speaker 1: I guess the issue is is how much more expensive
is Roddy's at two point eight this year and Vasa
makes like a lot more. So the Hawks would be
in the tax after this trade, and I'm not I'm
not doing that, so they would need to have another
move lined up to duck it.
Speaker 2: Because they're not paying it.
Speaker 1: We agree, butch is like a theory in Atlanta. I
think they're the team that's kind of filling a need
as part.
Speaker 2: Of this deal. Sure, Chicago Bulls, here we go. They're
gonna get. Oh, here we go. The Bulls are gonna
receive Kyle Anderson, Gary Payton, the second Gie Santos deal
breaker forget it, and a twenty twenty five first round
pick with lottery protection. The Warriors will get Nicola Vucevich.
My first reaction is I would much prefer this be seconds,
even though the lottery protection helped. So it is nice though,
that the Bulls from the Warriors perspective, are taking on
the next two years of Kyle Anderson's money. Peyton's expiring.
Santos I mean, like he's an energy guy, but he
is essentially a two way player. Has not proved he's
more than that so far. I don't know what Are
you hung up on the twenty five first versus a
couple seconds as like a sticking point here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because Vouch isn't putting you in a better
position enough to where it's, oh, thank god we got
off of Kyle Anderson's money. You still have Voch on
the books then for twenty million bucks next year. So
I probably wouldn't do this if I was golden the state,
I'd hold the line at seconds and even look, i'd
ask you if if it was seconds, but then you
had to give up Kavon Looney instead of Kyle Anderson,
Are you still doing it?
Speaker 2: Hmm? Man, that's a tough trade off. So the problem is,
so what's the So Anderson's like nine ish and Vucevic's
over twenty, so you're and then Loney's obviously expired or
forget it's a team option or just expiring. But either way,
it's it's coming off the books if you want it to.
I think I'd be more inclined to do it if
it's Yeah, it probably if it's Looney in seconds, even
though I mean that twenty five first is going to be,
I mean it might. You might just keep that pick.
That's the other thing, right, if it doesn't convert to
something else. If not conveyed, you're just giving up salary
you don't want for Vucevic who by who ultimately next
year might be salary you don't want. Uh. But but
that that the lot of protections interesting. Theoretically this should
make you good enough that you convey the pick though, right, Like,
that's the thing, I mean, would it? Well, that's that
would be the thinking from the warriors side is we
don't do but what.
Speaker 1: If you end up sending number fifteen or sixteen? Are
you okay? Let's say that pick is number sixteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you okay with that? Going to Chicago?
Speaker 2: That's why my initial reaction was, like, I just don't
want the first in it. From the warrior's perspective, if
I'm a bulls like, yeah, yes please, of course, of
course you rather have the first than seconds, right Anderson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would do this for Chicago with Golden State.
I'm not giving up air If I'm giving up a
first round pick, I need someone back better than Booch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree with that.
Speaker 1: You did keep quitting post though, ye, so.
Speaker 2: But you lose Gi Santos. I mean, imagine the fan
riot fan riots are going to happen. Oh th this
is for you, Dan.
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Cavaliers received Chris Bouche, the Raptors received George Niang.
A twenty twenty five second that comes from Milwaukee and
a twenty twenty seven second that comes from Denver. Is
that so for the Calves it's a yes. I think
Chris Bouche is more playable in the postseason and George
has been pretty good this year. Do you think those
two seconds are enough for Toronto to take on the
next year of Niang's contract. I think it would be,
just because they do seem determined to roll over their
expiring salary slots into other salary slots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think with because there were some
rumblings weren't there about well, might just try to re
sign Bouchet like they're not going to do it in
a way that gives them the flexibility that Niang's deal might.
I think for me, obviously, if you're the Cavs, I
think you do it. You get a different dimension from
a third big that I like a lot, although, like,
I mean, how different I guess you get this this
shop blocking stuff. Niang is a very different kind of stress.
Speaker 1: You'll have to get out from under Niang's money for
next year, which just might have some value as you're
looking to use a mid level exception because and also
karros a Vert's a free agent that you gotta sign.
I'm very curious. We'ven'n talked about this, and at this
point I default too. It'll be the mid level or
less if that, like tyjer Rome's free agent market's gonna
be fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think. I mean from I'm trying to trying
to talk myself into Toronto side of it just zooming out.
You're getting two second rounders for Chris Bouchet who's coming
off the books, and you don't know, like how comfortable
you are at with whatever number it takes to bring
him back. Like that's you know, Niang doesn't. Niang's not
gonna break the bank. I could see Toronto if somebody says, no,
I think it's Toronto. But but I I think it
kind of works for both teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it looks. It doesn't look great when
Chris Bouchet is shooting what thirty seven percent from three
this year and like he's been on a heater lately.
But Niang shot the ball pretty well. Yeah, He's at
thirty nine point nine percent on about similar volume in
less playing time. So I think this is fringe for Toronto.
I think I love it for Cleveland, even though the
Yang's been pretty good for them. Can I throw out
a bonus Cavs trade idea?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: I pitched this on the Real GM Radio. Uh Jae
and Tyson their twenty thirty one first round pick and
George Niang and Craig Porter Junior for Robert Williams the
third and Tamani Kamara.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well why would Cleveland not do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that doesn't get Portland to at least
think like, you get Tyson and you get like that
twenty thirty one pick, so it's two first.
Speaker 2: I like that for I think that's great for both.
Like the twenty it was a Cavs twenty thirty one
first and what was the other one, Tyson.
Speaker 1: And plus I think it was George Niang and Craig
Porter Junior for Tamani Kamara and Robert Williams the third.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I really like Kamara a lot, But
you do when you think about it, they have to
acknowledge like how helpful is he really for where Portland is?
You know, like he makes more sense on a good team.
He's one of those guys, so I could see Portland
just valuing the picks. And is that twenty thirty one
ipathetically unprotected?
Speaker 1: I think you have to it has been probably like
top four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 1: If I'm Cleveland, I like it because I mean r
W three is like upgrade from the Tristan Thompson and
it's sure I think they're either out of the tax
after that or you just dump Tristan Thompson at that
point or someone else. The thing that's interesting though, is
like Timany Kamar might just be the fifth guy to
close with you, or if you decide you want to
close small, then to moniy Kmar is probably definitely closing
because like him next to Mobley, who would be the
one big closer. Yeah, that's all that's holy. And also
Tony Korr just defends the point of attack, like that's
just what he does a lot in Portland. That like
takes a lot away from Darius Garland and to a
lesser extent, Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 2: Right, you can hide one of them if you need
to which if it's like Max Strus or whoever, it's
kind of like Dean Wade is is I don't know.
We always have liked to Dean Wade is the fifth guy,
but Tamara is just better than Dean Wade basically everything
you needed to be good at, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would normally say Dean Wade's the
better on offense, but like Tomani Kamar just he continues
to just do it, like some of the drives, he's
done some of the dribbles. Yeah, So I wanted to
see if you would like that one.
Speaker 2: I do like that one.
Speaker 1: We're on too, Bonus Cavs one. Let's know what you
think about the Bonus Cavs trade, Dallas Mavericks, Is you,
mister Hughes?
Speaker 2: All right? The MAVs get Kelly Olynnok from the Toronto
rapp in exchange for Maxi Kleiba, Jayden Hardy, and a
twenty twenty five second round pick, which will come via
the Nuggets or the Sixers.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure that's more favorable because I've written
so many trades or talked about them that it's more favorable.
So Philly's second round pick could theoretically be like in
the thirties or early forties.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you, I mean right, what today? It's it's
definitely in the.
Speaker 1: It actually might be closer to like in the forties.
Aren't they on a winning streak as we're recording this?
Speaker 2: So so here's so obviously the MAVs need a big
Derek Lively's hurt, Cleeba's hurt, Gafford's been solid, but it's
just that's a lot to ask of him. Dwight Powell
injured and is also just kind of an adult in
the room, uh stages of his caress. How many years
has Dwight Powell been like the locker room presence guy
on the like it's been along you don't have has.
Speaker 1: Them West at this point?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: He came over from another team, so maybe that doesn't count.
Speaker 2: So I think there are two questions here. One, if
you're Dallas, are you confident that Kelly Linnock is like
playoff via because that needs to be where your focus is.
And I think that's a that's a niffy one. And
then I still haven't quit Jaden Hardy, So I'm hung
up a little bit on that. I think if Dallas, look,
there's only so many available guys. I'd certainly rather do
this for Bouchet than a link if we're talking about
uh Toronto, big guys you could trade for. I just
I think the Raptors should do this, and I think
Dallas I would hesitate a little bit, just because I
don't know that a Linic is going to help you
when you need him to, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand like the need right now, Like he
would certainly film minutes while Derek Lively's out and Quiba's
out and even Dwight Powell was dealing with hip stuff.
But I'd have a tough time doing this, and maybe
I'm still too married to the concept of Max and
Kleiba more so than the player. And I think what's
also a little difficult is you're shaving some payroll here.
But like I would also, if you're going to give
up this, like Jayden Hardy is part of it, I
think i'd want to get out of the tax as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking up I can never remember if Yeah,
Alynix on the hook for thirteen point four next year,
So then between I mean last Lively is not paid yet,
so but between Olynic and Gafford and I guess you've
moved off Kleiba. The salary is not crazy because then
bonus you have a thirteen point four million expiring next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dallas, it's only what like two and a half
million bucks more than what Kleba was gonna make next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I guess to me this, So, although
if if it's a difference between tax and not a tax,
that's something to think about. But if you're Dallas, you're
supposed to be good enough that a little bit of
tax is kind of the price of you know, so.
Speaker 1: This Would you like this trade better if instead of
Olynic it's Chris Bouchet, Yeah, I would for sure. Wouldn't
you save more money?
Speaker 2: Would you? Dan?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might like it a little better. You'd be actually,
you'd be a Markith Morris salary dump away from ducking
at tax too. I believe you'll eyeballing all this stuff. Now,
I don't have the calculators out up to the Denver Nuggets.
This is a tough team. I'm interested to see. Oh
my god. All right. The Denver Nuggets received de Andre
Hunter and bogged On mcdonovich. The Hawks received Michael Porters,
Junior Zeke Najy, and Denver's twenty thirty one first, but
it's a swap, so it's not the actual pick, So
it would be MPJ Najy and that twenty thirty one
swap for DeAndre Hunter and bogged On mcdonovich. My first
instinct is, I don't I don't know if there's enough
upside here for Atlanta, who they don't control their next
three first rounders, and there's a chance that they're just
I know, Bogie's been injured this year and bad and
now Jalen Johnson's injured, But like, now you're giving up
DeAndre Hunter, who might win six Man of the Year.
Michael Porter Junior is gonna fill a lot of the shooting,
gives you more size positionally, for sure, this is one
of those I don't like it for either team, and
so I'm wondering if actually maybe do I love it
for I don't like it for either team, which makes
me think that is probably a pretty good trade.
Speaker 2: I like it a little more for Denver, and that's
pre supposing Hunter can keep this up and that Bogdanovic
can be better. But were you playing with Jokic, which
which I feel like is a part of the appeal here.
Speaker 1: If you're the rotation, you go from your trading one
playable guy into two playable guys, right.
Speaker 2: And you are getting off the Naji deal, which has
just been impossibility it seems like since the moment he
signed it at least, and it's a swap, like, so
who knows what's gonna happen in twenty thirty one. Presumably
if you're the Nuggets, you should I mean, Yoki will.
Speaker 1: Be I think that's just a swap. I'd like in
Atlanta can't do that, right, You would have to think
that they would have to believe that the Bogdanovic deal
or what's left on Hunter's contract is bad because they
have to be looking at themselves and saying, I mean,
I guess Jokis will be in is what mid to
late thirties at that point, But what are the odds?
First of all, a lot of swaps don't get exercise
in the first place, and this is one of those
where it's what about Atlanta makes you think that they're
going to be in a position to where they would
definitely be better than the like if this was if
you were getting a don't like what team swap would like.
If you're getting a Phoenix Sun swap in twenty thirty
one is probably it's a lot different.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, do you think Porter Junior's contract is
just objectively bad or is it seem worse because the
Nuggets are where they are with their flexibility.
Speaker 1: It's it's that it's because and first of all, he
does and I guess you're getting DeAndre Hunter and Bogdan
mcdonovitch will both get threes up. But like, he does
something on the roster that no one else does. Maybe
Julians Strather, but he's never gonna play enough minutes for
it to matter at that scale. And to do it,
by the way, at that size as Michael Porter Junior
is incredible.
Speaker 2: If you're the Nuggets, you're really banking on because because
you're right, Porter is just like the only plus plus
shooter on the roster, So you're really banking on Hunter
and Bogdanovich filling that void as shooters, which like isn't crazy,
You's there's definitely a scenario where this makes the Nuggets
better this year, Like that is absolutely on the table.
It's just not a certainty. Give in Bogdanovic's play so far.
Injury history, all that stuff, and Hunter just being the best.
It's a bye high. It's like it's a bye high
on Hunter, which is a little scary.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I might be more likely to do you have
to step out of your way there, But can you
include Nasey and Sharich? And so that's eight point nine
and four point seven, so we're talking what like twelve
thirteen and a half million bucks close to it? Can
you get to Bogdanovic or Hunter and then just include
your twenty thirty one out right without having to send
out Michael Porter Junior? So I think you getting to Hunter.
He's over twenty right, Yeah, So what is Bogie at
is at seventeen point three? So that's not like would
you give up Strawther and Jail and Pickett in that
four for one? You're gonna need to rope in other teams. Yeah,
but Jail Julian Strother's two point six pickets one point nine,
So what are we at there? So we're at three
and a half there plus then I don't even think
that cats you a half the way there.
Speaker 2: Now, And anytime you start getting to four for one,
it gets to the point of like this probably isn't
gonna happen because good season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that's not gonna happen. Who do you
liked is better for? Though?
Speaker 2: Really quickly, I well, I'm I think I'm more dubious
about the Hawk's side, So by default I think I
like it better for Denver, especially since it's just a swap,
you know, Yeah, you retain a little bit of upside there.
Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons, are you all right?
Speaker 2: Okay, we're moving brandon Ingram. The Pistons get brandon Ingram
from the New Orleans Pelicans. Four Tim Hardaway junior Isaiah Stewart,
recently suspended because too many flagrant points not not really
domain this discussion.
Speaker 1: As many flagrants six, as flagrant point six as three
pointers made this year, which is it?
Speaker 2: I mean that's didn't have that on the Bengo cart.
Well maybe you should have. I just want to wear
a shot went, all right, and a twenty twenty five
second from the Raptors and a twenty seven second from
either Brooklyn or Dallas. All right, So we got to
start with New Orleans side of this. I think and say,
is this the best you can do for Ingram? You're
getting a couple seconds, you're getting Hardaway who's got money
on the books or no, I can never remember. Damn it.
Speaker 1: We just talked Hardaways expiring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stuart is I like Stuart. I mean, if he
could shoot it again like he did a couple of
years ago, he makes sense as the center next to
Zion because if you can use him as a spacer
and his defensive like versatility and like, that's that's interesting.
This this might just be the best you can do
for Ingram, Like that's that's really on the table. And
then I kind of I don't know what I think
about Ingram in Detroit though, what do you think about
that side of it?
Speaker 1: Oh? I hate it. I mean for the rest of
this year. I think you can make a case because
with Jay and Ivy out, like you need the other creator.
But when he's not that good playing off the ball,
and you also like you could never how often are
you gonna want to play him with one let alone,
like of Ron Holland or SR. Thompson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's yeah, you run into similar problems
as you had in New Orleans, where it's like if
you could get assurances that Ingram would just be a
different kind of player, just be the catch and shoot
three guy and not need the ball so much. Maybe,
but not for that much, Like that's not a role
you want to have him occupy for the money it's
going to take to keep him. So I don't. I
think I'm hung up on that part of it and
giving up Stewart just for some I mean, he might
even be able to resigning room. That's the other thing
I would, honestly.
Speaker 1: If it was like Simoni font Tachio instead of Isaiah Stuart,
I might consider it. If I'm Detroit, And then I
I don't know if that's enough. So what is Hardaway at?
He's a Actually that might be enough to just make
it work. You're using all your cap space in that scenario,
but you have Hardaway's at sixteen point two and some
morning go on Techyo is at seven point seven, so
you're at twenty what four? That is enough to bring
back in England. So I might do that, just because
who's your bigs after this? For Detroit, Jellen Duran and
Paul Reid.
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So would you do that? As Detroit?
Speaker 2: I like it better? I don't. I still don't know
if I get there, but I like it better.
Speaker 1: I might do it if I'm New Orleans too, fon
Techio and THHJ with the number thirty seven pick right
now and then in another second, I think about it,
but I think you could also make the case take
it to free agency and either sign and trade him
then or do you get Brandon Ingram in a number
that you like? There is that yeah, over to the
Golden State Warriors. They're your team, but they're my team
now Grant Golden State Warriors get vouch And is this
the same as SAX trade we already.
Speaker 2: Talked about a little different. I looked ahead, okay, so
just now, not in advance.
Speaker 1: The Bulls get Kyle Anderson, Gary Payton the second Gie
Santos twenty twenty five second round pick. It's protected top
thirty seven and a twenty thirty second round pick. If
I'm the Warriors, I'm absolutely doing this.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, because you're getting the best of everything.
You're getting off of Anderson, which we were kind of like,
we like that about the first one on the Bulls
side earlier, uh, Peyton Santos, And this is this even
you get protections on that second you got It's not
only two seconds, but you get protections on one of them.
I love that. I think I think you pull this
trigger real fast if you're the Warriors.
Speaker 1: Is this enough for the Bulls? Honestly, I think the
Bulls should do it because you're taking on Anderson's money.
But Anderson over the next two years basically makes what
Vouch makes next season. Mm hmm yeah, giving more flexibility,
and like you could just Anderson like he'll do. He's
a I don't want to say, more dynamic. You could
play him at more positions than you can Nicola Vucivich.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I mean, and he makes less than half
as much, so that's a factor. I think. I think
you definitely say yes if you're Golden State. I think
you probably still say yes if you're the Bulls. And
I do think this is more representative of the kinds
of offers they are going to get for vuc Maybe
I'll be wrong. I just don't see the first on
the table for him.
Speaker 1: I think think if the other offers are comparable, or
if this is the best offer, I do think it's
good enough to take. And could you imagine, with the
way that the Bulls play offense this year, when Key
Santos would look like on this.
Speaker 2: Only my dreams, Houston grant all right, Okay, Houston is
getting Josh Richardson in a twenty twenty six second from
the heat for a twenty twenty six second. This is
a tax related move, I suppose essentially. Yeah, I love
the thirty one to fifty five protection on the on
the heat pick coming in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Zach for including I know you
do this, but like, shout out for including that, because
this this is the stuff I agonize over.
Speaker 2: You need to know the protections on seconds. Yeah, I
get it. I'm trying to just skim the justification, which
is just like it's gotta just be financial.
Speaker 1: I think if I'm Houston, I mean, if you're getting
the Lakers a twenty six second round pick just to
rent out a roster spot which they don't have at
the moment. Though, So who are you waving? Unless does
he have a roster spot? And I'm discounting. I'll double
check that, but.
Speaker 2: Well you could you could find somebody.
Speaker 1: Well who do you want to wave? Though? Look at
what's that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull it up right now and I'll tell
you as.
Speaker 1: Like they have players they don't use, but like you
just want to wave like you don't want to wave
Jock Landell on the.
Speaker 2: Actually, they're weirdly hard to find someone to wave.
Speaker 1: That's that was my dilemma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like Aaron Holiday. Nope, you use
him sometimes like that's I don't know you. Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they have fifteen roster spots, so I I
don't think I'm doing this, Houston. Like, if you have
another deal lined up where you're consolidating Tate and Landale,
two of Tate Landale or I guess I know, you
can't wave Aaron Holiday even was that a player option?
That better be a team option. Yeah, that's a team option. Yeah,
I just they need a shooter in there. And so
unless you have another deal lined up where you're consolidating
and it's like two of Green Landale or Tate for
somebody else, I get the asset play. But when you
don't have a foster spot, that's tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah that is.
Speaker 1: I'm still injured, by the way, So.
Speaker 2: This doesn't get the heat out of the tax either. No,
they're like thirteen million team point into it. Don't worry
anyone who's listening here.
Speaker 1: Since teaser, we're about to get them out of the
tax later, don't you worry the Pacers. So the Pacers
get Cam Johnson, who they've been linked to, in exchange
for Obi Toppin, aaron Ne Smith and a twenty twenty
eight first round pick and a twenty thirty first round
pick swap. Wow, I do think this is reflective, accurately
reflective or close to it of how the Obi Toppin
deal is viewed around the league.
Speaker 2: Because something to get off that it looks like, right,
it looks like this is because if I'm, the Nets
are jumping all over this, aren't they They should?
Speaker 1: I can't do it if I'm indeed, because Cam Johnson
doesn't even fill Maybe positionally he feels your biggest need,
but he doesn't do the stuff that you need the
most out that position makes sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no does it not? Does that me tripping over
my words?
Speaker 2: Well, now I'm I'm I'm stuck on the Miles Turner
side of it. As I'm reading what Zach you got
to mention Miles Turner's free agency and anything the Pacers do,
you kind of have to think of think of that
aspect of it. So Johnson's what twenty two ish next year,
topping is topping, and so you're saying, I don't think
you're you know, most most deals you'd imagine the pacers
doing would be with an eye towards getting a little
bit cheaper so that it's easier to you know, fit
turner back in next year on a number you can
deal with. I don't think this, this doesn't accomplish that either.
Speaker 1: And you get I mean, you get a little worse
defensively at least, right, I know, top in matters.
Speaker 2: Smith matters for them, that's kind of the problem, but
NEI Smith really is important. I mean the nets, Yeah,
the nets are just like they're not they're hoping this
is a mistake, I think, and just saying yes.
Speaker 1: A mistake. Yeah, that's especially for where they're at, they
would do it. I don't think there's a chance even
what would you have to remove? Do you think for
the pacers, even if you took away the swap, are
the pacers doing this?
Speaker 2: So it's just that, I mean, that's pretty light protection
on that twenty eight too. I think maybe if you
took the swap out and made the twenty eight first
like lottery protected, maybe.
Speaker 1: Then I don't think Brooklyn I mean, ne Smith could
be useful for them, but I don't think Brooklyn's do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, then Brooklyn says no because it's like, well,
we just get two from somebody else.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, though, that you did. I'm sure I don't
know if Pacers internally actually want to do this, but
I think a lot of Pacers fans, just because they
seem to be very high on these guys, would be
happy that you kept Jarvis Walker and Benanic Mathern. The
Clippers are your team, mister Hughes.
Speaker 2: All right, the Clippers are gonna get Jordan Clarkson from
the Jazz for PJ. Tucker Bones Hyland and a twenty
thirty second and a twenty thirty one second, So Tucker
Hyland two seconds as distant as you can make them
for Jordan Clarkson.
Speaker 1: I'm sold for the Clippers. You get out of the
tax and you get.
Speaker 2: Come for the Jazz. I think two seconds.
Speaker 1: I like that out of Clarkson's money for next year,
even though.
Speaker 2: Thatsolutely matter, I think that's this is a win win.
Speaker 1: That's a great trade. Shout out, Zach. But this does
I'll double check it very quick before I move on
to the Lakers. But this does get them out of
the tax because Tucker's at eleven point six and Bones
is four point two. So you're talking about fifteen point
eight million, and I don't think only like two million
dollars into the tax. How much does Clarkson make this year?
Clarkson is at fourteen, so you need to make another
deal to get out.
Speaker 2: Of the tax. But you're going the right direction tax
wise if you're the Clippers here.
Speaker 1: Right, So, yes, I would do this for both teams.
That's a great trade the Lake. Oh god, Daron Fox
is pictured. Aaron Fox to the Lakers four Austin Reeves, Ruey, Hachima,
Gabe Vincent, a twenty twenty nine first round pick, and
a twenty thirty one first round pick that's top five protected.
And then if it doesn't convey, that means that you
get nothing because you can't trade for that's further out.
So and the Lakers have no seconds in that year.
I'll double check. I'll double check that, so that I
mean two first round picks and Austin Reeves plus Ruy
and Gabe Vincent for Diarron Fox. I'm gonna start from
the Lakers side. I don't know that I could. With
how well Austin Reeves has played, I don't know that
I could give up him and both those first for
Darron Fox.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you, and I got there a
different way, which is from the King side. I'm like, yeah,
I think I do this pretty easily. I do. I
would be concerned that that twenty thirty one disappears essentially
if it's not conveyed. But an I we're assuming unprotected
twenty nine first, which I'm pretty interested in, uh, from
the Lakers and Reeves. Like again, if you're the Kings,
it's like you just you're kind of over a barrel
as it is. It's just sort of you know, you've
got you could wait till the offseason. I think the
Kings say yes, And then I do you think the
Lakers might hesitate a little bit because of Reeves and
because like this is your movie, this is it, right,
this is this is the extent what you can do
to add to this roster, and it might not be enough.
Speaker 1: I think, would you do it as the Lakers if
you're including Vanderbilt instead of Reeves, and then you just
have to give up both these first round picks.
Speaker 2: So then you're left with Fox and Reeves and Ad
and Lebron, and I guess, like Max Christy is really important.
Now I like it more.
Speaker 1: I think I would do it, but no, I'm sorry. Look,
you have two players who are All Stars. This year,
Lebron made the All Star Team. This is the type
of all in trade you make. I just as the Lakers,
Ruy's probably net neutral on his contract. I do the
Lakers clearly value him than anyone else around the league.
I don't know if I'm taking that as the Kings,
but if you did maybe top one or two protection
on that final pick, and you're just replacing Reeves's salary
with Vanderbilt, and if you need more money the Lakers
they can send out like a jalenthodchia Fino's expiring or
Christian Wood or somebody. I would do that for the Lakers.
And if I'm the Kings, like unless I'm getting better
first round equality, I mean, the Kings probably don't want
to rebuild. That's what we've run into, so I probably
say no. But I think that's a viable enough offer
to say we could take it, Like if you were
going to go the rebuilding route to get those two
Lakers first, but you are look, you're taking on money
into the future though, too, which is weird.
Speaker 2: I think maybe this will come down to if you're
looking for for Knits to pick, it's just like maybe
the Kings can get something better like the Lakers. This
is about this is what they can offer. This is
kind of their max offer essentially, because it doesn't include Vanderbilt.
Like it's the it's very favorable for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could throw a Dalton connect would be like
the only Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know that
the Kings can't expect a heck of a lot better
than this. Maybe, well we'll see, we'll find out soon.
I suppose. I think probably for a trade of this level,
this is like pretty it's it's impressive that it's like
causing us to think this much about it.
Speaker 1: Onto the Memphis Grizzlies. Cam Johnson to Memphis four Marcus Smart,
Santi Aldama, and a twenty six first round pick. Ooh, so,
I I think this is closer than the other one
that had Gigi Jackson in the I first going to Brooklyn.
I think if I'm the Nets, I mean, do you
want to pay Santi Aldamedo when you already have Nick Claxton, I.
Speaker 2: Mean maybe you do. I think maybe you want to
have Santio I don't know, Like.
Speaker 1: I al cost A Ton, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get off Smart, which is not nothing from
from Memphis perspective. I guess the maybe the quibble is
Cam is not the big wing defender that you kind
of ideally want if you're Memphis, or that certainly is
discussed as something that they should want. He's still I mean,
he's the best player in this deal the twenty six First.
I think between the twenty six Perst and Aldama, I
kind of like it for Brooklyn if you can just
say we don't care about having to eat the Smart
salary because we're not gonna be good next year anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I guess with Memphis, Santiel Damas playing a
ton for them, But you have Zach Edy and Jaron
Jackson Junior and Jay Huff and Brandon Clark. So in
theory you should be able to navigate his absence and
now you don't have to worry about paying him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this is a both size probably say yes deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, as long as Aldama is viewed
as like the equivalent of first round asset, which I
think is reasonable if you're Brooklyn. He's young enough, he's
improved enough, like that might really be a thing. All right,
I'll take the Heat here. The Heat are getting dearon
Fox on the move again, Kevin Herder and a twenty
twenty five second round pick coming from Denver or Philly
via Phoenix. The Suns are getting We're gonna be talking
about this one for a while. Sons get Jimmy Butler,
the Kings get Bradley Beal, Hi May Hawkes Oh, a
twenty seven first round pick that's one of those worst
ofs coming from Utah, Minnesota, A twenty nine first from
the Heat and a twenty nine first Again, I think
this is one of those worst ofs from Utah, Cleveland
or Minnesota. So let's talk about Sacramento side is the
bratt Well First of all, if Bradley Beal says no,
this deals off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bradley Beal's probably not gonna say, although maybe I
don't know he could say. I mean, it's still it's
in Cali. And then you're playing with the bonus and
de Rosen and Monk.
Speaker 2: Would you agree though that Beal is like the absolute
wrong kind of player as far as like what the
Kings need.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I agree.
Speaker 2: So they're doing it.
Speaker 1: I mean you're getting him Hawks and three first round picks,
I probably, I mean you and you're getting off Hurders money.
I mean, but you have to take on Bell's money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's so do you like? I like the
Lakers offer bet better from that, for in for Fox
and for with the Kings, don't you, Because there's just
mainly because Beal's money is not in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I prefer Austin. I mean, how
many Hawk as you might get better, but I'd probably prefer.
Like the two Lakers first round picks are arguably more
valuable than any of the first round picks are getting
in this deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're because the best of those is the Heat's
twenty nine first, which is maybe you could argue that's
of comparable value to the Lakers twenty nine first, I
would expect. I think there's more downside for the Lakers
than for the Heat, probably just because the Lakers, I
mean the Heat saw bam, they have hero like they're
they're and you're they're getting Fox. So That's another thing
to consider, is like you just sent a really good
player to the team, who's twenty nine first? You? Yeah,
got the access to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this. Who's the team you like it
for most? Is Phoenix? You only have to give up
two of those.
Speaker 2: First Yeah, it's definitely Phoenix because they're getting off hold
on Phoenix is getting off Beal and it's only giving
up two of those worst of firsts. So they still
have one of those right to use on a Nurkic
offload if they want to. So that's like someone takes
Nurkic or Grayson Allen or whatever. But you're I think
the Suns come out looking the best here.
Speaker 1: Do you like this for? You liked it for Miami?
You didn't like it for Sacramento?
Speaker 2: Right, don't don't like it for the Kings? Love it
for the Suns? For the heat. It's risky, Yeah, yeah,
it's it's risky. I think I don't know, just turning
Butler into Fox and it's costing you Hawkes and a
twenty nine first, it's not crazy. No, it's okay for them.
It's okay for them. It's bad for the Kings. It's
great for the Suns.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Milwaukee Bucks. Here, this is
a challenging team, O Zach Lavine to Milwaukee for the
Bulls are getting Chris Middleton, Bobby Portis and a two
thousand and thirty one first round pick and a two
and thirty one second round pick.
Speaker 2: So it can't do it, which Zach acknowledges because but
he he does note that you got to dump Conaton
to get under the second apron before you do this, So.
Speaker 1: Right, how do you do that? Though? When you've given
up that second round pick and that first round pick.
Speaker 2: That's tough. I don't know what you're using to do that.
Speaker 1: You need Content to go out in this deal basically,
so rope in a third team, send Conaton and get
that twenty thirty one second rerouted to just we'll just
say Detroit or whatever who can take him in for
a second somehow.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like that's that's the you need to
expand this a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, and you probably have to give
up more than the like is aj Green have to
go out for that? Would you do it in a
vacuum though? As Milwaukee, so you're getting off of Content's
money while giving up all of this, and then you
probably have to give up I would assume like's gonna
cost you. I don't think like it's gonna cost you
Andre Jackson or aj Green.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hesitate. If I'm the Bucks. I do think
it's fair to say Levine is an upgrade over Middleton
in a vacuum. I think some of the defensive issues
that he would raise, paired with Lillard in the backcourt
are kind of scary. And this is you're really firing
your last bullets to get Zach Levine. And then if
this doesn't go really well, what do you like? You know,
I guess, I guess you could trade Dame, you could
trade Lillard or maybe or I mean or Lopez, And
you know, I don't, I don't know. I think this
probably brings into play like a downside you might not
want to mess with. If you're the Bucks, Yeah, I'm
probably with you.
Speaker 1: But if you were able to get off Conntent in
the process, I understand the appeal, especially given the state
of Chris Middleton's body. I guess yeah, because I guess
Joannis is just backup center.
Speaker 2: Then at that point, are the Bulls incentivized enough to
do this because I think.
Speaker 1: You're getting Milwaukee's twenty thirty one first round pick. I
just do it because these are what these could be
expiring contracts if Middleton and Bobby Porters declined their options.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess that's I guess that's true. And
if there's not a two first offer out there for
the upside of that twenty thirty one bucks versus real
high that's another thing to think about too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I bet you the Bulls say no. Though in real life,
the real life bulls would say no.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they'd say no to everything.
Speaker 1: Minnesota grant.
Speaker 2: All right, the Wolves are getting Malachi Branham, a twenty
five second round pick, a twenty six second round pick,
and another twenty six second rounder from Utah. Uh. And
they send Nikile Alexander Walker, your favorite, my favorite, everyone's
favorite to the Spurs. The Spurs win. Uh, that's a
great trade for San Antonio. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Alexander Walker necessarily feels a need for them, but that's
because you have step Castel. Nikill is a better He's
a better shooter for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think as Zach looks like in the
second draft here is talking about this again, big surprise.
The Wolves are thinking about cost savings naws heading into
free agency. Uh, and maybe you just want to get
assets and a cheaper guy uh in exchange for him
because you're you're afraid of what it's going to cost. Uh.
I mean from that perspective, this is in fact, in
keeping with how Minnesota has operated, like, well, you know,
we are scared of paying a lot of money and
we'll make the team worse to uh because of that fear.
I just think like, man, if the Wolves did this,
can you imagine how disappointing that would be? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's, by the way, there's a chance
two of these seconds the Spurs is this year and
then that Utah pic next year or in the thirties,
So that's not nothing. But yeah, this would be a bummer.
And I also bet that Malachi Branham would be going
to a third team instead of Minnesota as part of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, so I don't know what he is in
the league going forward.
Speaker 1: I would honestly I would ryot though. If I'm Minnesota
fans and this is a trade that one, I would
love it for the Spurs though, New Orleans here we go.
Kelly Ollinock and Bruce Brown to New Orleans, as well
as a twenty twenty five second round pick via Portland,
a twenty twenty six second round pick and a twenty
twenty seven second round pick, so Olynic Bruce Brown in
three seconds to New Orleans four brandon Ingram. Whoo we
did see? Wasn't it Jake Fisher or was it? Mark
Stein reported that the Raptors are interested. I have no
idea what the Raptors are doing anymore, but I mean,
as a flyer, I don't love the fit of Scottie
and Ingram and RJ and Perle I guess so quickly
and Dick are both healthy and shooting the ball. Well,
there's a lot of optionality there. Would you do this
as Toronto just for the flyer, I think I'd probably
do it, but it is just enough for New Orleans
I would.
Speaker 2: And then my very first thought is like, if this
is what the offers are for Ingram, I'm I'm just
gonna hold on to him and hope for a sign
and trade or he comes back at a number I
can stomach. But yeah, Toronto for sure, just just like
get the best player and see right. And then because
that applies to you know. The maybe you can get
him back at a number you like applies to Toronto
too in this hypothetical, like maybe you just get to
the summer and you decide, Oh, he's gonna take like
a a two for fifty five or something, you know
what I mean, like or a one plus one or whatever. Yeah,
I do it. If I'm Toronto, I think if I'm
the normal, I'm just I'm gonna hold on to him.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to incentivize it, because you
could offer to get New Orleans out of the attacks
I suppose by taking on, But I don't know what
money they don't want after this, aside for minimum. So
this is like a like a dollar for dollar match too.
As a trade the Knicks grant sell.
Speaker 2: Me on this. Jonas Valentiunis to the Nicks, Oh, let's
move on. You're out for that reason. Dan's out for
Mitchell Robinson a twenty five second that's coming from Boston
or Memphis and a twenty six second from Detroit, Milwaukee,
or Orlando. So Robinson a couple seconds for valentiunis. Uh,
if you're the Knicks, why why do you do this?
There are reasons you could come up with.
Speaker 1: I think it's just enlightens Karl Anthony Towns's load during
the regular season at least. I don't think it's gonna
help in the playoffs, and then it doesn't. They've had
some defensive rebounding issues of late, but Yonas valentiunas isn't
gonna address those when Karl Anthony Towns are on the
floor if he gets pulled out on the perimeter, because
you can't play those two together. Yeah, I understand what
a round is not playing this with then a deer
of his value. He's on the books for basically for
less than the mid level exception non tax payer mid
level exception next year. I'd rather roll the dice and
keep him. Honestly, if I was Washington, I would do
this deal straight up, you know, heartbeat, just for the
flyer on like what Mitchell Robinson's pick and roll defense,
and if you wanted to try playing him next to
Alex Sar that would be something. I'm intriguing honestly that
the health stuff is there with Robinson. But if this
is the best you can do, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: As New York. What about you, I think, Yeah, I
agree that Washington should just do this if it's JV
for for Robinson and getting seconds is like where do
I immediately where do I sign? I agree? And this
is another one of those where it's like Robinson really
is the Knicks like way to get something like and
that's kind of if you're gonna get make a consequential change,
it has to come from come through Robinson. I would
almost value the possibility that Robinson comes back and is
just better than valentiunis over the balance of the year
in the playoffs, Like I would be interested in finding
that out, especially because I just I agree Valentin and
it's just isn't going to be playable or helpful, like
when the Knicks should care about.
Speaker 1: Right, No, I'm I'm with you. So I understand it
from like a depth perspective at the moment, but it
feels a little too short sighted for me. That's the
challenge that the Knicks are facing, by the way, because
I don't know, I'd be curious to know, like what
Mitchell Robinson's deals you'd like around the league because he's
like he's probably just in the same bucket as Robert
Williams now right, Like he has his limitations he's injured,
but when he's playing, he's super intriguing, and his contract
is not in theory bad well, and it's.
Speaker 2: Just complicated by the fact that Robinson, the hypothetical of
Robinson coming back this year makes him more valuable to
the Knicks than any other team. So it's like it's
you're dealing from a lopsided kind of position.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for another Mitchel Robinson trade. Though I
had a three team one, go live on Bleacher Report,
you go check it out. We won't relay it here
because I confused the shit out of Grant while he
was looking at it, So we're not just going to
voice it.
Speaker 2: Not hard to do, fairness to you.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder they received Colin Sexton for Isaiah joe
Usman Jang and Utah's own pick this year, which is
top ten protected and it's you know, it's not going
to the Thunder in the first place, but the value
here for Utah is what are the protections after this season?
I think it goes it's for another year, right, so
it's it's top ten and then top eight next year
before it just extinguishes. That's Utah should do this I
think if I'm okay, see, I'm I might do it
just because you're not giving I mean, no, I don't
know if I could do it because Isaiah Joe's really
their only capslock shooter and that like Goldna fly around
and do stuff away from the ball and get up
threes in that vein. I think that this is I
don't know the value here, is right. I just wonder if, like,
if you're getting Collin Sexton, wouldn't it make more sense
to send out Aaron Wiggins or no? Are you thinking
about defensively? I mean, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Thinking from the Thunder's perspective. This is a regular season
move to prop up, and Zach notes this to prop
up the minutes essentially when Shay is off the floor
which have knock gone well. I think the issue you
run into is, well, I mean, maybe you do use
Sexton for a few minutes a game in the playoffs
with Jalen Williams when Shay is off the floor, and
given the level that the Thunder are at and the
number of postseason rounds they hope to get through, that
might it might be worth it to have the guy
that you If Sexton is that guy and I think
you'd argue he's gonna he's more likely to be that
guy to prop up the offense than Joe or Wiggins
or whoever else you might want to send out. I
still think if you're Utah, you're just like, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I kind of I'm the more I kind of mull
it over. I kind of like it for both. You
could just make the case that the Thunder like it's
just they don't need to do this, But I don't
know it just I guess it just depends on how
confident you are that they can shrink the rotation enough
in the playoffs to where the non SGA minutes are
basically non existent.
Speaker 1: There's also value in Sexton comes off the books as
you have new deals, presumably for Chet and JDub kicking in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1: I just it would depend on whether the Thunder you
you said it, think that Colin Sexton's playoff viable for them.
Speaker 2: Because sorry before we go, because for okay, see it's
like just the assets are just you got enough you
can you can spend them on things like this that
might seem kind of trivial. It's that they can justify
that if if they think Sexton will help a little bit.
Speaker 1: Would you prefer the Thunder to send out Isaiah Aaron
Wiggins as opposed to Isaiah Joe in that type of
a deal.
Speaker 2: Or no, God, it just depends on which night you
catch Wiggins. I feel like I think it's not good.
Wiggins is real good. I think I think I might
rather hold on to Joe, which what you said right,
just because his his as like specialist skill I feel
like could really matter.
Speaker 1: The Orlando Magic they received dearon Fox, the Kings received
Jonathan Isaac Anthony Black, a twenty six first round pick
and a twenty eight first round pick, and then a
twenty thirty second round pick via Milwaukee. I this interesting,
it would be it'd be basically a rebuild for the Kings.
Maybe not if they think Isaac is healthy and you
still have the bonus and a Rosen and Monk, but
you're still getting two first round picks. Honestly, I wonder
if you would need to include like the less favorable
of Denver's in Orlando's pick this year, which Orlando owns
both of them as well, and then I feel like
it might be a green light for Sacramento and I'd
probably still do it as Orlando.
Speaker 2: What do you think? I think it's a this might
be a green light for the Kings as it is.
The problem is those Orlando picks. It's the same thing
with the heat issue ago. It's like you almost don't
want the picks from the team you're sending Fox to
if you can help it, especially if the team already
is like, you know, the injuries have changed things this year,
but it's already like pretty good, and Fox is a
piece that might really make them a lot better. So
I do I think you might be right that you
probably want to ask for hope there's another first thrown in,
even if it's kind of a middling one. But I
I'm kind of into the idea of Isaac and Black
just fitting in with what the Kings have. I like,
Isaac's a bonus fit is weird, but that like Isaac.
Speaker 1: Places Isaac backup bonus at that point, he's only going
to play like twelve or fifteen minutes a game anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would give the Kings like such different dimensions too,
because Black really does make more sense if you're holding
on to Monk, and like, I think he makes plenty
of sense with Murray DeRozan's a weird fit with kind
of anybody. But but I I kind of like it
for the Kings. I'd ask for a little more. But
if push came to shove, I don't. I don't think
you turned this down out of hand.
Speaker 1: No, if you're sending it, he really is just san
Antonio or Bust basically. But you're getting Anthony Black, two
first round picks and Jonathan Isaac plus I mean the
twenty thirty second form Milwaukee. We don't know where they'll be.
I think it's close. I just, man, what would the
King space. I know Fox isn't the best shooter, but
he's someone who can shoot. You're going from like that
to Isaac and Black and then you have to rose
in and Sabonus has shot the three ball really well
yes year, but not like he's never gonna be high volume.
Speaker 2: Monk and Murray are doing a lot of spacing lift.
I think in that configure, what about we talk about
Orlando side. Do you do this if you're Orlando, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would do it.
Speaker 2: I think you do too.
Speaker 1: And just like I know, Fox isn't the best shooter,
but thirty seven percent on step back threes this year
and can organize the offense. And I think his off
ball opportunities would go up both in quality and volume
with Franz and Paalo there. And this is especially if
it's this deal. I know you're gonna worry. Oh well,
Fox needs to get paid, Sugs is getting paid, Wagner's
getting paid, Palo needs to get paid. You kind of
just have to figure that out as you go. I
love this deal. I think they're a championship contender after
this trade.
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, they get real interesting. You can
imagine picking rolls where like you got to have someone
quick on Fox and someone big on Paolo, and you
get switches there, it's over for either of those guys.
Speaker 1: What if we talked about wanting Orlando to play faster
even when they were in the half court, Fox would
help you be able to do that too?
Speaker 2: Good one like I like that one.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, grand how fun.
Speaker 2: The Philadelphia seventy six ers Dan get Jimmy Butler and
Alec Burks. The Heat get Paul George in a twenty
twenty six first round pick with top five protection man.
So the Sixers are keeping Butler in this hypothetical, which
is the homecoming angle is fraught, I guess different.
Speaker 1: So what do we do here? What are you basically
doing because you're planning on re signing Jimmy Butler, right,
So you're just assuming basically that you would prefer you're
giving up a twenty six first round pick for the
right to have what Jimmy for one fewer a year
than Paul George's contract goes out.
Speaker 2: I mean, and you're betting I guess that Butler, in
addition to that, is just going to be better than
George because you still very much care about the short
term as in addition to like the length of contract
you sign, you've got George InCD two and that you
would sign Butler to do you think it's do you
think the next forget money, who's the better player over
Let's just say the next three years between Butler.
Speaker 1: And George if you want, I think it's Butler.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 1: I just is it worth giving up a twenty I
would do this as like without the first round may concluded,
I would consider it.
Speaker 2: The heat. So that's the sixer side of it. I mean,
I if you could just put aside the the personal
stuff and the fact that Butler's exit from Philly was complicated.
I think I like it just I think it makes
the Sixers better on the floor, which might be all
they care about. And you do have downside protection with
the with the top five protection on that twenty six First,
if you're the Heat, are you really I mean they
said they don't want money that goes into next year.
You're getting money that goes in, big money that goes
into next year, and well beyond that. In George, you're
also theoretically getting someone who's health you can't rely on
as you're trying to hold on to your pick by
making the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That's iffy and the other thing just based off stuff
we've heard about Paul George during his time in LA.
Speaker 2: He's not a fit for Heat culture doesn't. Yeah, right,
it doesn't seem like it. That's a great point. I
like it more for the Sixers. If you could just
pretend that Butler would be cool staying there.
Speaker 1: You so you'd be cool giving up that first round pick.
Speaker 2: I just think having the top I don't know. I'd
like to know what happens to it if it doesn't convey,
but like, yeah, you might be given up just so
you can't count.
Speaker 1: On a beat or Butler really to be healthy. And
then what ty Maxie and Jared McCain are gonna You're
sort of.
Speaker 2: The Sixers sort of put themselves in the same position
they are right now, just doing it again, right because
they've got the top six protected first, going to okay,
see right now, like can you tank hard enough? Probably not,
So this is like you might just give up the
number seven pick. They're yeah, I don't know, it's interesting.
It's more interesting than I thought a Butler for George
deal would be.
Speaker 1: Now, how do they I guess did they own an
additional Oh yeah, so they own an additional twenty six.
So that's how they give up their their own twenty six,
all right, which okay interesting. I don't think I would
do it for Honestly, I don't think i'd do it
if I'm either team the Heat.
Speaker 2: That's just it's anesthetical to what they've said they want,
which is like fairly clean books and the ability to
like hopefully make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: We have a banger here for Phoenix. The Phoenix Suns
received Jimmy Butler. The Miami Heat received dearon Fox Kevin
Herder and a twenty twenty five second round pick from
Denver or Philadelphia. The Kings receive Bradley Yohaimahawk as a
twenty twenty seven first round pick, a twenty twenty nine
first round pick for Miami a twenty twenty nine first
round pick. So it's the it's too oh, we already
did this deal, right, It's the exact same one.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see if anything's different. It's the worst
of the twenty seven, the worst of the twenty nine,
and then the twenty nine for Yeah, I think this
is the same deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still what was the Do we feel any
differently about it?
Speaker 2: Grant? You know, in light of I still like it,
Kings are still not doing this. I don't think what
is Who do you like?
Speaker 1: I can't remember what you said. Do you like it better?
You like it better for Miami than Sacramento though? Correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my order of preferences. Very much like it for Phoenix,
kind of okay with it for Miami? Do not like
it for the Kings?
Speaker 1: Is there anything that could be done for you to
like like it for the Kings? Like what if the
Sun's threw in that third first round pick?
Speaker 2: I mean that and it's got to go to the
Kings because I just the the Beal of it all
is really tough. Yeah. The only thing, the only thing
you could do, which basically nukes the deal, is just
Beal's got to go somewhere else. We need We're gonna
need a fourth team and then another giant salary so
the Kings aren't stuck with Beal.
Speaker 1: And then the Kings are gonna get fewer picks as
part of that, I'm assuming, yeah, which is okay, because
you just can't take Bell on.
Speaker 2: I just like you a mid, like a play in
level team that you know, I just you can't. You
can't do that to yourself if you're the Kings.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, which means you get to
take us to the Portland Trailblazers.
Speaker 2: Here we go. The name we haven't seen yet Portland
is Gang Chris Middleton and a twenty thirty one first
from the Bucks for Jeremy Grant that there's top five
protection on that twenty thirty one first if you care.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not for Milwaukee. I'm sorry. If it was Middleton
for Jeremy Grant, straight up, it might be more like
the Blazers. I don't know if they're ready to admit
defeat there. But if you can get either Chris Middleton
on an expiring or only one year left to get
out from under Jeremy Grant's money, I'd probably consider it.
From Milwaukee. I understand Jeremy Grant being more athletic and durable,
better defense defensively at this point, but you were trying
to get someone else who could and he's done more
one on one stuff. But we've never really seen it
have we ever seen it in the playoffs from Grant?
So no this I mean like no from Milwaukee, even
if it's straight up with.
Speaker 2: It, and no from Milwaukee unless you are just you've
gotten information that's like Middleton is never going to be
able to play, you know, real minutes in a playoff series,
like that's the only reason you even consider this. But
if you know that, I don't think the guy you're
trying to trade him for with your only movable first
is someone whose contract goes longer and just hasn't and
seems to be on the decline too. That isn't for Grant.
If you decide Middleton's time is up.
Speaker 1: I will say if this offer was ever in front
of Joe Cronin and he did not accept it, he
should be banished from the organization immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a get out of jail free card
for him.
Speaker 1: What do we have for the Kings. Let's see, so
the King's receive Fred van Fleet reached and a twenty
twenty eight first round pick with top three protection. The
Houston Rockets received de aren't Fox and Kevin Herder. I mean,
under the circumstances, I'm doing this as the Kings. We
love Read Shepherd. Yeah, Fred van Fleet keeps you relevant
right now and you're getting a first and getting off
of the Kevin Herder contract. The Rockets, I think, say no,
mostly because we know they don't want to make a
trade right now. Even if this was having this, this
might be a trade that could happen if it's the
off season and the Rockets, with the number two seed
in the West, get like trucked in the first round
or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, yeah, if it becomes clear, like we've talked
about all year, it's like they got to figure out
what the actual issues are with this team, like under
high stress, and that could I could see that scenario
where over the summer, if Fox is still in Sacramento,
you revisit this, but like, you know, for what they need,
how much better is Fox than VanVleet? Really like he's better?
But is he better? Is is the gap large enough
to justify just giving up on Shepherd? Maybe? And that
twenty eight first, like you're taking Herder's money back too,
he'll be So.
Speaker 1: We're assuming this is an off season deal, uh one
worst than the Rockets got trucked in the playoffs, right,
And then we're it's an expiring contract at that point,
So that's not terrible.
Speaker 2: So so you your first thought was you do that?
You like this for the Kings and not for the Rockets.
Speaker 1: I think this is a spectacular return for the Kings.
Speaker 2: At Shepherd, doesn't. It doesn't a lot depend on Shephard
being something well, but it also I so.
Speaker 1: In reality, I think it kind of straddles the line
of what Sacramento is going to do, even though we
think it's wrong. Which has remained competitive after a Fox trade,
and so you get better, You probably get a little
bit better defensively going from Fox to van Fleet. And
then also van Fleet's the better off ball player, I
would say, And you could rely on Derozen monk Sabonis
to do a bulk of your creation and then there's
only a year left. You like, if I'm a king,
I'm probably just guaranteeing that Van Vleet salary next year.
And you get like, you're you're right that a lot
does depend on Shephard. But our view of Shepherd is
that he might just be that dude.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1: Like this for Sacramento. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't love it, Van Fleet. I'm going back and
forth on like you know, I don't. I certainly don't
think the Kings would would view the ability to just
let him walk as a positive because of what you said, Like,
I don't think they're just oh, we got to clean
up the books. That doesn't seem to be what they're
going to go for. So I think maybe you've got
to look at like, could Van Vliet be flipped? Are
you looking to extend him? He does fit. You can
make the case he's a better fit than Foxes for
the reasons you said, like the off ball stuff.
Speaker 1: I find he's a better fit because the Kings incompetently
built the rock.
Speaker 2: He's a better fight with a roster that doesn't make
a lot of sense. Yeah, I guess maybe the rock
are the ones that don't, well they they've advertised they're
gonna be the ones that don't do this for starters.
Maybe that's where we should end it.
Speaker 1: But I would do it for the Kings, and you're
you would, I'd.
Speaker 2: Think about it. It's not a definite for me.
Speaker 1: Another Fox trade grant.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. The Spurs get dearon Fox, the
Kings get Chris Paul Jeremy Sohan. Zach Collins deals off
a twenty twenty five first round pick with top three
protections from Atlanta, so that's gonna be I mean teens somewhere,
I guess, And a twenty twenty five first with top
ten protection from the Bulls, which maybe that convey Yeah,
so you're talking, you're you're most likely getting as the
Kings Paul Sohan Collins, A couple picks in this draft
that are, you know, somewhere in the teens, maybe early twenties.
Speaker 1: I guess, Oh, there's a chance. I mean, I guess
Chicago's pick is top eight protected the next two years.
So would you bet to start there? Do you think
the Chicago pick conveys at some point.
Speaker 2: Uh, top ten, then top eight, top eight, Well that's
not a given. If the you would assume the Bulls
won't do this, But if the Bulls just bottom out,
it could be two more years after this one before
they're conveying that pick. So maybe I don't know whether
it's like a coin flip. I would say, right, so,
there's a chance you walk out of this with only
one first round pick, and it's in the teens or
the or even the twenties, and so then you're and
you've got Collins. That's a bad deal.
Speaker 1: Although he's immediately your best backup big, which is again
an indictment of the roster, the best backup center which
sorry Trey Lyles again.
Speaker 2: Uh, the Spurs, this this would be like an investigated
by the league. I think if the Spurs fox for
this pack, how.
Speaker 1: Do Sacramento is? I understand why san Antonio would say no,
but like Sacramento at least needs to get it swap right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, then I still probably wouldn't do it, But
then then we're talking a little bit at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was interesting, and I think Danny LaRue or
Nate Duncan brought this up that Sacramento King swap those
rights have Yes, it could be a nice lottery ticket,
but it has more value to Sacramento than any other
team in the league.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it could do some lifting in this trade.
I still don't know if this is enough, but like,
if Fox only wants to go to San Antonio, Like,
and if you're Sacramento, do you prefer Chris Paul to
trade Jones?
Speaker 2: Oh great? I mean, well, if you're trying to win
this year, probably probably, uh, but I think they shouldn't.
I would just say this is another one where if
this is the offer for Fox, I'm just saying I
We're gonna chance it and go into the offseason and
maybe even next year's deadline if that's what it takes.
Speaker 1: I'm probably with you. So we're on to Toronto and
the trade is Toronto gets GP two and Moses Moody
for Kelly Olynyky mood.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm not doing this if I'm the Warriors.
For the reason the reservations I expressed about Alinic helping Dallas,
I just don't. I don't think Olinic. I mean, like, yeah,
I guess you could make the case he's gonna how
much better or more valuable to the Warriors. Is Kelly
Olinic than Quentin Post right now? Like it's he's more valuable.
I don't know if it's enough to basically give up
your who might be your best perimeter defender and an
expiring salary which matters to the Warriors and Moses Moody,
who they still believe in.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I guess Toronto probably does this because I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why they wouldn't. And even I
was trying to think like I would prefer Chris Bouchet
in Cold State, but I still I'm not doing that
as gold. I like, I'm very high on Moses Moody.
Speaker 2: Though I am I'm not sure where I'm at on
him anymore. But yeah, I don't think the Warriors do this.
Speaker 1: You're deplaning all the Warriors. Youngster Odds you've done with
him too.
Speaker 2: He's I'm out even al He's played really well the
last couple of games.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: The Utah Jazz are you okay? The Jazz are getting
Kevin Herder Trey Lyles on a twenty eight first from
the Kings for John Collins. There's lottery protections on that
twenty eight first, I don't, well, it's the Kings. I
don't think the Kings are giving up a first for John.
I don't think anyone's giving up a first for John Collins.
That's that's where i'd start.
Speaker 1: Kevin Herder is shooting like Arctic cold, right, so you're
getting off his money for a player in John Collins, who,
when healthy, has actually played pretty well this year. I
position eight, No, you can't. Can't be malpractice.
Speaker 2: That's why I hesitated. I was like, well, no one would,
well maybe they. I don't think you can do this.
Speaker 1: The Jazz pounce on this though, right, So if they're
the ones proposing this, that's good. Good job by zb here.
There you go, right, Grant last Water, you're getting emotional again.
Speaker 2: Taking us home. The Washington Wizards get Cam Christy PJ.
Tucker and a twenty thirty two second rounder, probably our
first twenty thirty two pick we've talked about, and the
Clippers get Jonas Valannis m Why not if you're the Clippers.
Speaker 1: Well, can you explain to are you allowed to trade
a twenty thirty two pick? Aren't you only allowed to
go seven years out?
Speaker 2: Let's say it's on draft night. I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not doing this as the Clippers just
because WATCHI you're out of the tax right after this,
or no, no, you're not out of the tax. I
need to get out of the tax.
Speaker 2: Tucker's eleven ish Cam Christie is a minute twelve to
six and outgoing for the Clippers. Valentunis is nine to nine.
Speaker 1: So we're talking to you about the tack or No.
Speaker 2: Two and a half million, that might be a reason
to do it.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm just gonna assume that this was meant to
be like a twenty thirty one, because don't they have
a twenty thirty second round pick a swap with Utahs?
It would be the less favorable theirs or Utahs or
their twenty thirty one second. I wonder why, like twenty
thirty two feels like a typo. I still don't know,
get you out of the tax. But a twenty thirty
second round pick for valentchutas just how much is he
gonna play for you in the playoffs and in general?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. It's not a change of pace big,
which is kind of what I would like to see
the Clippers go after if they're gonna get another front
courk guy. A lot of this, I think, and Zach
talks about this. A lot of this would depend on
the Wizards thinking Cam Christy has something which is early
enough in his career that like maybe.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, I would do if this is the offer
that was in front of me or that they only wanted,
I'd probably do this. I don't like, would you do
this for Chris Bouche the second Ucker and Christie that's
probably something you consider. I don't Valach, he I mean
Valentin is though he could like do some stuff offensively
for you when James Harden is off the court. I
don't know, probably I do you which team says yes?
Speaker 2: Well? I think for I would say the I don't know.
I don't know if any.
Speaker 1: That's that's means I think from the Wizard, there's.
Speaker 2: No harm in just holding onto Valentinis and trying this
again next year if this is the best you can do.
Speaker 1: Right, Although, to be fair, like Valentino is very clearly
the best player in this deal, and so maybe the
Clippers was like, hey, we get more another second round
pick for him if we need to move them next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean we're getting off of Tucker, who
makes more than Valannis and will never play for us.
So yeah, you know what, I think the Clippers are
probably doing this before the Wizards are. How about that.
That's all.
Speaker 1: That's all, Land, Let's get to some news and more speculation.
If you bailed out before we went through every one
of the bleacher port trade ideas from Zach Buckley, you're
missing out because we're gonna talking Aboutlamelo Bull joining the
San Antonio Spurs. I don't know why I said bull.
LaMelo Bull sounds like came out.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Jake Fisher wrote that the Hornets have never welcomed trade
inquiries for their eccentric ball handler, and yet the Spurs,
sources said, have tried to register their interest in ball
during previous transaction cycles. The fact that it says cycles
leads me believe that it's a like a plurality thing,
so that they've multiple times let the Hornets know, like, hey,
we'll take LaMelo ball. They're also apparently interested in Josh Giddy,
So I'm questioning a lot about the Spurs. Yeah, at
the moment, just some notes because this is interesting because
it's in the backdrop of the Diarron Fox sweepsteaks. But
Lamel Ball's four years younger than Fox, or about four
years younger, and he has four more team controlled years
left on his deal, so he's just going to be
cheaper for longer relative to Fox's next match. How do
you feel grant about, well, how do you feel about
the spurs of all teams being the one that's interested
in LaMelo?
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand it, honestly, Like I again, the
Giddy like there are I think there's a couple of
other players in addition to Giddy that we're mentioned as
guys they looked at it Fox being won, so it's
kind of like, well, all right, so they're just kind
of canvassing things. I don't know how, but cute they're
interest in LaMelo? Is I you're a bigger LaMelo fan
than I am, Which isn't to say I don't like him.
I think he's a really interesting player, and he deserves
the benefit of the doubt because he's been on a
terrible team for his entire career basically, and the one
year they were okay, it was largely because of him.
So I think it's really interesting. I think maybe the
threshold question we should ask is does he make more
sense as a Wimbin Yama likes, you know, running mate
than Dearon Fox does. That's not to say that like
the Spurs will just get their pick. They might not
get either of these guys. But but just all things
being equal, do you like LaMelo better in San Antonio
than Fox?
Speaker 1: I do, because I think that in theory, his game
is better suited if he's in a different situation to
playing a I mean, I don't know, like Fox has
done a bunch of stuff with the bonus, but he
will like he's going to have I would assume more
off ball gravity from the perimeter, which that's very compelling
when you have Steph Castle and Jeremy Sohan on your team.
And so if you add Fox to that equation again,
I actually think that Fox is a better shooter than
some of his numbers than his surface level numbers indicate.
But as you said, what I've been most Lamel's efficiency
is all over the place this year, not in a
good way. As I mentioned to you before we started recording,
his teammates are in the sixteenth percentile of overall shot making,
and so just like he doesn't have the talent around
him to get high quality looks, and if you're worried,
if you're annoyed by his shot selection, I really do
think if you put him in a different program that
he would be better. I love the size here from
him too, and I think what I also like about
the fit better is contractually like he's on his quote
unquote fun Max YEP for another few years. But what
I do think is another way to go about this.
If you're looking at attainability, Fox wants to go to
San Antonio the Kings apparently, And this is, by the way,
this is if they knew it was headed in this direction.
I understand them proactively shopping Fox. They should have done
it over the offseason, not a week before the trade deadline,
But can you get Daron Fox for because what does
it take to get Daron Fox versus what does it
take to get LaMelo who? As the reporting goes like,
if you want him, you're either waiting for him to
get to a point where he maybe only has a
year left on his contract, yeah, or you're you're creating
your own market to get him.
Speaker 2: So I think let's just talk about that before we
get into the finances. I think that does really matter
or to some extent, I think LaMelo just objectively a
way better passer than Fox A way bet I'll just say,
a way better shooter. Like just the volume is one.
You know, he's guarded differently than Fox is guarded. I
think I think you're totally right that if he's playing
with better teammates, he's going to get better looks. He's
shooting forty percent had to look it up, forty percent
on wide open threes this year, so like he's under
thirty four percent overall. A lot of that's because he's
under thirty percent on tight covered Just I believe in
LaMelo as a high volume three point shooter that defenses
are afraid of. I don't think Fox has maybe once
in his career has like approached that level, but never
with the volume that LaMelo has. Right, defensively, Fox is better.
We don't really know what LaMelo might do on defense
on a real team. And also, if that's your hang up,
you have Victor Wimbenyama on this team, so defense is solved,
Like you can accommodate someone like Ball if he never
gets any better defensively.
Speaker 1: Especially if I'm assuming, I mean maybe not, if you
still you're probably gonna have one of Steph Castle and
Jeremy Sohan left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, And it's just it makes it if you're
one in your five, which LaMelo and Wemby would be,
are both really dangerous high volume shooters you can accommodate
like all kinds of player types and all kinds of
limitations and the other three spots on the floor. So
there's all that. The youth is a real factor because Fox,
you could argue, is like, I mean, Fox is not
going to age great because he depends, especially if he's
not gonna shoot it well, he's already maybe starting the downside,
or like he's right at the top. I don't think
Fox is getting better as he loses athleticism. LaMelo is
right there in the age band you want with Wemby.
So maybe then the questions you alluded to is like,
are you, as san Antonio, willing to give up four
five firsts for LaMelo? I think the answer might need
to be yes, because you've got a bunch of extra picks,
and your own picks are not going to be very good,
and so you can afford to throw those in a
package too. So I'm looking for reasons that like you'd
even consider Fox over LaMelo if you had the choice
as the Spurs.
Speaker 1: I think just attainability, right, because you know Fox wants
to go there and you know he's available, whereas with
LaMelo and the number of picks you have to give
up is only going to mushroom if you're not willing
to include a Steph Castle or I would include Jeremy Soam,
but I don't know they have t Jon Salon and
Miles Bridges there don't and Brandon Miller, I don't know
what value they're going to ascribe to him. Would you
give up Devin Vassell?
Speaker 2: I give up Castle? I mean like I like Castle
a lot. I just think if it's like Castle in
four firsts cool if you If it's not Castle, I
do five. If it's Vassell, I don't know what the
I mean, does New Orleans? I mean, does New Orleans?
Different city? Now? Do the Hornets Charlotte want Vassell? Like
in their current state? I guess like his contract's okay,
it's fine. I don't know. I guess he's all right.
If Miller's your three.
Speaker 1: Maybe pivoting, Maybe you don't. I think you would prefer
sohnd Or you would prefer Castle for sure, I would.
I think the question would be, would you rather give
up Castle or include more first round picks as part
of a Lamello deal?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if I think my first reaction
would be as the Spurs, I've got enough extra picks
to do that. The other thing, too, is like it
would get complicated in if it's Fox and you've you've
got to give him that third contract, it's gonna make
it a lot harder to get a third star once
you have to super Max Wemby LaMelo. Being on the
fun Max makes getting that third guy quite a bit easier.
I would say.
Speaker 1: Eventually, maybe not if you give up five first round picks,
like you're telling them, but you.
Speaker 2: Still but you still got plenty. I mean, you still
got I don't know, well.
Speaker 1: I mean, so their extra picks are the Chicago pick
this year, which is top ten, and then it's top
eight for two more years.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They have the Minnesota pick, and but one of them
is a swap. They have a Minnesota outright pick, and
they have two Atlanta first round picks outright plus a
swap with Atlanta, so they have that plus all their
own first round picks so even if you didn't deal,
I guess you have to find the right balance then
between keeping those other picks and like including your own,
but like it because your own picks aren't going to
be super valuable. But I think they have the benefit
of if they included like the more favorable or if
they included both of their twenty twenty five picks like
Chicago's and their own. Even if you're getting LaMelo this season, like,
there's still some real value to yours, because you might
just be so one LaMelo's injured recording this ye, which
would be another thing that we could talk about, the
injury risk with him. So if you if it was
something like both the twenty five first and then one
of the Atlanta picks and then one more of your
own pick, then you fill out the salary from there
and then you think what you need. Sohan or it'd
have to be Castle, I might consider doing that. I
know Spurs fans are really high on Steph Castle. LaMelo
can drive your entire offense and we have not seen
I just Steph Castle is not supposed to be that player.
So if we get into saying he's not going to
be that player, it's kind of operating under the assumption
that he was ever supposed to be and I just
never even him coming out of college. That's not something
I considered part not just a part of his game,
but even part of his eventual growth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love a lot of things about I love
almost everything about Castle, and I do think his fit
next to Lamellow is really interesting. I would still say though, that, like,
if you're making this trade and you have Wemban Yama,
so your intentions are to be a contender, you know,
sooner than later. I don't know if Castle. If I
don't know if Castle's ever going to be able to shoot.
I'm not confident at all that he's going to be
like a shooter that defenses care about anytime in the
next like two or three years, which is kind of
when your window is starting. Really, if you're the Spurs,
I don't know why you're like pushing it out any
farther than that, especially because once you have to pay Wemby,
like you need to kind of go for it sooner
because you've got Wemby on the rookie scale deal and
that allows you to really go for one or two
other like real guys. So you could just make the
case that Castle might have a high, super high ceiling,
but it's just not going to reach it in time.
I don't know, just just trying to justify like San
Antonio trading a player I really really like. Overall, I think.
Speaker 1: You would have to be something like if it's Steph
cass and three first versus not Steph Castle in five first.
That's probably where I'm sort of like, I'd probably rather
give up Steph Castle. Yeah, and then I think some
people will say, like would you watch should be giving
a five first round picks for anyone? As you said,
the Spurs have extras, and they could also game it
to where if they're keeping their own picks in the
years that they owly swaps in twenty thirty and twenty
eight with Boston, is the twenty eight one twenty thirties Minnesota,
that's actually like that's valuable for them because it's okay,
like we have those sort of lottery tickets. Yeah, coming
down the pipeline. I don't know what the number of
I love the LaMelo fit in San Antonio, and I'm
higher on it than Fox. I just don't know, like
both of us have kind of heads, like what is
your right now, your max offer, that you like, your
best offer, that you'd be willing to give up for him?
Speaker 2: Well, and I think I've I'm more fixated now. On
the other side of it is like, what's Charlotte willing
to consider? Because if you have four first round.
Speaker 1: Picks on the table, you have to LaMelo has missed
so much.
Speaker 2: Time, that's true, And it's so hard because like that
that complicates everything to just it's it's ankle stuff. Like
we saw Steph Curry get past that. Maybe LaMelo will,
maybe he won't. I just think if I'm Charlotte, even
with the injury stuff, that makes me concerned. I still
like which of the picks coming from San Antonio is
like the highest upside, you know, like what which which
of those could be a top five pick? If any?
Is it like the minute the distant one from Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Maybe or maybe maybe like the if you're giving up
twenty twenty six, like the Atlanta swap or that twenty
twenty seven Atlanta pick.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I still think those are likely to be
in like the middle of the first round based on
what Atlanta has right now. Yeah, that's that's I guess
that's part of the reason. I'm just like thinking it's
gonna take a lot of volume, pickwise, because I don't
think Charlotte can look at what might be available from
the Spurs and say there's even one like, oh, yeah,
that's a choice.
Speaker 1: That's why you might need to include Steph Castle though, Yeah, right,
exactly what is because I don't know that people consider
Jeremy Someonan has carved out a role in San Antonio,
but he's like a very specific player. Yeah, and I
don't know that he's gonna be viewed, especially now that
he's getting so close to his next deal as a
blue chip asset. Steph Castle will.
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, I think that's right. So I think the
more we talk about it, I think Castle probably has
to be in the deal.
Speaker 1: If I'm Charlotte, it's probably like Castle plus three to
four first round picks and then maybe you can get
not maybe, but like you try to get Charlotte to
take back Zach Collins his money as part of the
deal as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if I'm the Spurs, I'm doing that. I
think it's worth it.
Speaker 1: The My actual biggest cause for pause would be the
metal health stuff like you need, because that's a lot
of time missed. And I know there are some people
that believe, like, well, how long is Wemby's primed? He
takes excellent care of his body when it comes to rest,
but he's just built. Yea such a physical anomaly that
you do wonder, Okay, is there what's the risk of
time him to someone who we know is not durable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're screwed either way. I guess it's
like if Wemby, if Wemby doesn't stay healthy, then it
doesn't matter what you do.
Speaker 1: Like just so don't think it knows terms, but that
the mellow of it all doesn't scare you at all.
Speaker 2: Oh it would. It would scare me, I guess because
it's not like it would be different if it's like
always coming off his his second meniscus trim or like
his he's got an acl or an achilles. It's like, yeah,
ankles are he's missed a ton of time, and so
it's I don't want to trivialize it, but it's like
I don't know how many guys have had their careers
derailed by like persistent ankle sprains, Like you know, it's
it's more like we worry about it and then they
go away. I don't know. I'm sure there are examples
that will prove me wrong, but it's the nature of
his injuries make me less concerned than then like ah,
he's got this back thing that flares up all the time,
or he's like it's zion where it's like a hamstring
every other month, like that kind of thing. I'm less
worried about it than I would be some other injuries,
but I do it's got to be a consideration. Like
I think if you don't as the spurs, if you
hesitate or you just say we're actually not interested, it's
probably it's more likely to be because you're worried about
the injuries than the than the culture fit or the
like how serious is he? I think I think that
stuff if you believe in your culture and you think
Wemby is like the tone setter he appears to be,
I don't think that should hang you up so much
as the injury stuff, which again I could get.
Speaker 1: Over if I'm the spurs and he's he's only had
it needed to have one, only he's only need to
have ankle surgery once. Right, So it's also kind of like,
are there some of these instances where he might have
played more if the Hornets were better.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure the Hornets aren't like
rushing him out there to get back just because usually
the season's off the rails fairly quickly.
Speaker 1: So we like LaMelo better than Fox. But one of
them's available, the other one apparently isn't. But I think
the Spurs have enough assets to maybe change that for surely,
and they should try. This next piece of news is interesting.
So Sean Shrania, as we're recording, reported that the favorite
still on Jimmy Butler as of now, or Phoenix or
Golden State Memphis is also kind of lurking per Mark Stein.
But Mark Don and Jake Fisher also report Grant that
the Pelicans would build a package around Brandon Ingram to
get him. We're gonna get into a potential package what
it would look like. There's some complexity here. New Orleans
still isn't going to pay the tax this season if
they get Jimmy Butler, so they would have to send
out probably like I don't know, fifty one million or
a little bit more to duck the tax. They're also
profiles like thirty thirty one million under the tax next
season without like a Brandon Ingram or Jimmy Butler salary
or their own first round pick. So you have to
kind of like, well, what are they doing with their
books moving forward? Is this? I guess, can you explain
the interest in Jimmy Butler to me if you're in
New Orleans?
Speaker 2: I bumped on that in a big way when I
read that. It's it's really hard to justify. I think
it can only be as part of a deal in
which you are getting off other salaries you don't want
in addition to just kind of solving the Ingram conundrum,
and you're also like you're duck in the tax this year,
if that's a priority. Even in those circumstances, I think
any deal you put together is like the cell is
pretty hard for New Orleans, or harder for than it
would be for the other teams we would talk about
in a hypothetical right because just like you want Butler,
why like you're this year is a lost cause, zero
value this year other than if you get out of
the tax, and then what do you want to happen
over the summer? Like do you want him on the
books for fifty do you want to see him walk
for nothing. It might be that I don't know, is
it I just that.
Speaker 1: Player option is so high. It's not even a situation
because we talked about this before we were recording, and
I stopped us because we should talk about it here.
Are you just kind of a su doing that? The
market might beat him into James Harden type submission where
Harden didn't get anywhere near He got two years and
seventy this past summer from the Clippers, and so Jimmy
Butler at two years and seventy if that's like the deal,
even if it's a one plus one is more palatable.
But at that point you're like, well, he's guaranteed fifty
two point four million if he picks up his player options.
He's really tacking on in extra year just for the
right to make sub eighteen million. So you have to
imagine he's gonna get at or near his max in
the next contract. And Okay, maybe this makes it this
the first of time. This doesn't make it easier to
reduct attacks this season. You almost need to trade CG.
McCollum if you're gonna make this trade. So I don't
like I'd be just interested to watch Jimmy Butler and
Dejontay Murray and trade like Trey Murphy and then Zion
Williamson together just and Herb Jones, just to see what
would happen. Yeah, I don't know that I understand the
logic fully from New Orleans' perspective well.
Speaker 2: And the key distinction between the recent Hardened situation and
the potential for coming Butler one is that Harden got
that deal from a team he wanted to be on,
and there's no indication that Butler has any interest in Like,
if you're the New Orleans you've gotta you've got to
recognize the downside of this is like you just get
a guy that's not going to report and or reports
and is like disruptive again and you just in addition
to being terrible and expensive, you have a headache too,
Like that's I mean, having dealt with Zion all the
Zion stuff, Like do you really want to onboard another
like even if it's for a short amount of time
or even if he's away from the team, It's just like,
I don't know, you really got to sell me on
New Orleans side of this, because you get it from everybody,
every other perspective. It's totally logical what we'll talk about here.
Speaker 1: If if Jimmy says he wants to be a New Orleans,
does that make yes?
Speaker 2: That would that would well and I believe and I
believe him in this in this scenario. Yeah, that makes
a difference. It's still is it's still like, I guess
what you do as New Orleans to justify this if
he wants to be there is say like we could
be pretty interesting with like Jimmy and the fits weird,
but it's weird with Zion no matter what, with Jimmy
and Zion and Trey Murphy and Herb Jones and whatever.
Like you know that if everybody's healthy, big big surprise,
we have to use that.
Speaker 1: We have your defense healthy, Jimmy, Herb.
Speaker 2: It just yeah, it's just it was you bumped on
it right when when New Orleans gets thrown out there
as a Butler destination like that was wild to me.
Speaker 1: But we did endeavor to see what a trade would
look like. I'm assuming you would involve like nine teams,
but we concocted this three team scenario. It is on
the screen, Grant, how about you walk us through it all?
Speaker 2: Right? So we've looped in the Detroit Pistons because you
got it, and they are getting from the Pelicans. I'll
just I'll just go through all the assets that Detroit
is getting here, ce j McCollum, Jordan Hawkins, the Lakers
twenty six second, which comes via Miami, A twenty thirty second,
which is the least favorable of Orlando or the Pelicans.
That's coming from Pelicans a twenty thirty one second, the
more favorable of Miami's or Indiana's. So basically McCollum Hawkins
in a bunch of seconds, Miami's getting Ingram and Jeremiah
Robinson Earl. You could swap out a couple of other
guys from New Orleans if you wanted to. Javonte Green,
I forget who Daniel Tice could be in there. And
the Pelicans are getting Jimmy Butler, Simoni Fontechio and Tim
Hardaway Junior. Not the only way we can do this.
We can maybe talk about the alternatives, but that's basically it.
So Pistons, McCollum, Hawkins, Miami's getting Ingram and Filler. New
Orleans gets Butler, Fontechio and Hardaway. So can you let's
walk it through one at a time and give the like,
why is this team doing this? So start with Detroit.
What's the justification for Detroit?
Speaker 1: They need a new another ball handler alongside Kid, especially
with Jade and Ivy being out and McCollum can space
even when he doesn't have the ball. His contract's not
good but only runs for one more year. Having him
and Tobias Harris on the book seems prohibitive, but again,
they both come off the books after next season. So
unless you have big plans for offseason flexibility this year,
I don't think it kneecaps you. And like, Jordan Hawkins
is a very interesting as a shooter, as someone who's
like even shown a little bit of on ball chops.
He's gonna give you nothing defensively, so that's something to consider.
You're basically getting three seconds and Jordan Hawkins to take
on a year and a half of McCollum, which eats
up your the remainder of your cap space this year.
Speaker 2: But you can help you like he can help he actually,
like you know, the contract's not great, but he is
another ball handler. If you're you're not gonna have Jade
and Ivy and he can shoot it like that. Those
are kind of the prerequisites to playing with Kate Cunningham,
right right.
Speaker 1: I wonder if for them, are they the team as
we're like going before we go, they're the team I'm
most uneasy about with this because McCollum makes sense, but
you're also sending out Tim Hardaway Junior has been good
for you, but he's expiring. And then Simoni Fontekio not
having his best year. But just like as a shooter
with size, who's not gonna summer and your defense, I like,
so they're not. It'd be different if it was just, oh,
we're getting this to take on McCollum, but it's also
to take on McCollum, and we're sending out fon Techio
and THHG.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't decide if I have more reservations for
Detroit or New Orleans here because.
Speaker 1: We talked about the Butler side of it, So with
Miami at this point, if the didn't weren't you telling
me that you were listening to why don't you relay
that about the Jimmy Butler trade value?
Speaker 2: Just like plummeting, Well, it's just like, you know, I
can't remember what I said five minutes.
Speaker 1: Ago that you were listening to Warriors plus minus and
that people around the league are reported that. I was, like,
are shocked at how low the Jimmy bumble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotten to the point where it's like you
might not be first that Miami might just be cool with,
Like does the money come off the books? Yes, you know,
it might get to that point. So that's the thinking here, right,
is that Ingram may just come off the books and
you don't care about Robinson Earl or whoever. It winds
up being as additional filler. But like Ingram is someone
that I just I can see it. I can see
the heat, like turning Ingram into the best version of himself.
I don't know if that's an outdated way to think
about Miami. I still it's I just think that's a possibility,
and he either comes off the books or you probably
bring him back at a number that you're happy with,
and Miami kind of gets a win win there because
you don't have the butler opt in hovering over your head.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think with Miami at the point it's at
this is a good like a really good deal.
Speaker 2: It's a win. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Look, it's costing you seconds, but pat Riley and Andy
Elsberg have never treated seconds like they matter anyway. So
I actually like it for the Pelicans because you're surrounding
questionable fits with shooting. And the other thing is because
you're getting off McCollum's money, you now have a bunch
of room under the tax where it's like it's still
gonna be tight. But I think you go from having
what do we have like thirty million that was with
McCollum and Hawkins on the books, and now that's going
to go to like sixty plus, so you factor in uh,
Simony Fon Tachio, that's six. Let's say you're sixty million
below the tax, you hit Jimmy's max in below the tax,
and that it's okay, like where's our first round pickland
and what are we doing from there? So it'd still
be tight, but at least doa ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Do you want to talk about the other
like possible configuration of this deal?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's basically like you would trade CJ. McCollum
to Detroit and Detroit instead of sending Tim Hardaway Junior
and Simoni von Zechio sends you to Bias Harris, which
I don't think Detroit in that I know CG. McColl
makes more, he's the better fit. I don't think they
need additional compensation if they're getting off of Obias Harris.
Speaker 2: Yes. And then if you're New Orleans, it's kind of like,
I'm not sure how we feel about uh. Like the
part of the appeal for New Orleans is fontechio is
like cost controlled in Hardaway's coming off the book like
it just it just feels cleaner. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other thing, now, your books get okay, you
saved a little bit of money next year off next
year's books, but it doesn't matter when you're factoring in
Jimmy butler salary. So how are you ducking the tax
while paying Trey Murphy, de Jontay Murray, Zion Williamson, Butler
and Tobias Harris next year? That's gonna take. When this
says nothing of Herb Jones, his money is just not
that large. That's where it gets tough. I think if
you're the Pelicans and that's the end result of this,
you need to hope that you want you need other
moves lined up to duck the tax this year and
then you're probably gonna end up making more moves in
advance of next season. I personally, if the Pelicans are
actually interested in this, this structure, for me feels more
sensible for them. But if Detroit says, hey, like no,
we're gonna need a first round pick to do this,
it kind of falls apart because New Orleans has no
business trading their first round picks in any of the
coming years.
Speaker 2: Right, especially with Butler being just it's a it's a
it's a fraud kind of acquisition for a lot of reasons.
Next on the agenda, Grant read into us, this was
the thing you were gonna shock me with.
Speaker 1: D'aron Fox to the Warriors. I was asked to come
up with a trade on the Real GM podcast the
other day. That was I can't remember which bucketed in
bucket it was. It was like in tears, and it
needed to be something that would surprise you. So I
try to find a dearon Foxhuter that will come out
of nowhere. So the deal I'm proposing to you is
the Detroit Pistates. There they are again. They get Dennis
Shrewder and a second round pick that's top thirty seven
protected it's this year comes via Miami, but from Golden
State or from Miami via Golden State. The Warriors get
Diaron Fox, Keon Ellis and Alex Lynn. The Sacramento Kings
get Andrew Wiggins, Brandon Pajemski, Kevon Looney, Golden State's twenty
twenty five first, Golden State's twenty twenty seven first, the
right to swap with Golden State in twenty twenty eight,
and then Golden State's twenty thirty second. How are you feeling?
Speaker 2: I think I feel great about that. If I'm the Kings,
That's where I would start one because you get to
flex a little bit and not send Fox to the
one team he says he wants to go to UH
and you're that's basically I mean the two firsts are
we saying those are unprotected? Essentially? So twenty five is
not any good twenty seven? Who knows Wiggins is a
good player that would actually, like, really matter for the Kings.
Speaker 1: He would have been really good on the iteration of
the Kings. That did Aaron Fox wanted to be a.
Speaker 2: Part of, Yeah, he'd be great on most iterations of
most teams actually in this role, Yeah, you know you
have shocked me, so mission accomplished. I don't know if
you're gonna get like a cogent answer because I'm well
having a hard time from the Warriors perspective.
Speaker 1: I know that the Warriors still ducked attacks as part
of this. I know that was a big concern. You
root for ownership to say.
Speaker 2: I really care about how much billionaires have to spend.
Speaker 1: You know, you hadn't even mention that ke On Ellis
is on Golden State at the end of Yeah, ke
On Ellis helps, Uh, and he's dirt cheap.
Speaker 2: That's like kind of the that is that is a sweetener.
It's still just like, I mean, is he more valuable
than than Pajemski and Looney? Going forward? Again, I just
keep coming. I love this for the Kings because Looney
comes off the books also he like, first of all,
Keavon Looney owns the Kings, so you don't have to
play against Kavon Looney anymore.
Speaker 1: Uh, he's on the way. The deal works without Kevon
Looney as well. If the King's just decided we don't
want his money back, but then the Warriors don't tuck
at that.
Speaker 2: Who do you think is coming out the best here
other than Detroit, who just gets to swoop in and
like collect stuff for fun.
Speaker 1: Well, if Dennis Shrewder's healthy, he's sapping up most of
your cauchdas. But Mischion, like, you got an asset to
fill a need that's just for the rest of the season.
I think you should do it. Yeah, making out the best,
I think it's the Kings here because you're getting uh,
I don't know. I think the Warriors with Ellis, Fox,
Draymond and Steph and Kaminga still there like that's a
really good team, Like that's a really good quarter where
and you still have Moses Moody from there. I think
they're making out the best here because you kind of
still you didn't have to give up the the other
part of that twenty thirty first rounder, which again, if
it goes to Washington, you've done something right because it
was protected like a top twenty protected and you're still
like you're not trading the entire stable. So I actually
think they made the tough thing is you lose Wiggins,
but the fact that Keon Ellis is coming back and
has cost controlled for another I think another two seasons. Yeah,
I feel a little better about it. And you also,
by the way, you didn't have to give up GP
two for the rest of this season, So if he's healthy,
I think you've probably you have enough perimeter defense. I
think they're the team in terms of talent in a vacuum,
but for Sacramento's predicament, Uh, you could say that they're
making out the best. I just don't how much do
they value pods when they have Devin Carter, Monk Demarta Rosen.
Speaker 2: I think I think the criticism that you might hear
is like, well, like, how how what kind of fit
do Fox and Steph make for as a as a backcourt.
I think the response to that should be, like the
Warriors Number one problem is nobody can create a shot
other than steaf f and Fox can do that, and
so like, I don't really care if you've got to
figure out who's guarding who among you know, on the
one between the two of them, and Fox is like
he's fine defensively and can be good at times, So like, yeah,
I don't know. I think I think that I'm I
I definitely am struck by basically two first and a
swap going out in Wiggans going out, But I mean
if if.
Speaker 1: So, if I just removed the swap, does that like
what would Is there anything that would make you think
that it's not potentially bad for the Warriors?
Speaker 2: Uh? I mean I I well, the that twenty seven first, Like,
who knows what that downside is. I guess if you
have Fox and presumably you're gonna keep him, you know
your your floor is fairly high. Maybe Kaminga develops like
that too, into like a number three guy or something. Yeah,
I think I think the Warriors probably should do that.
The Kings definitely should do that, and yeah, and then
the Pistons are like whatever, unless the Pistons are like,
we can actually get something better than a second for
using our which is honestly like they might say that
I can't get done without Detroit. Yeah, but well again,
because you don't need loony like you could send shrewder
to there's a way to work it without Detroit. Golden
State just doesn't duck the tax, which if you're gonna pay,
like if you're worry about Fox's next deal, I assumed
that would be a prerequisite for them this season. Yeah,
that's true. Yeah, very interesting. You sufficiently shocked me.
Speaker 1: I have to say, that was my only goal, only goal.
Let us know what you think in the comments are
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Speaker 2: Nevertheless, under two hours for a content rich podcast. Really
just anything everything you could want in a in a
tight type for us timeline. Thanks everybody. Thanks Zach Buckley
for doing that trade slider. We're gonna link out to
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