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Speaker 1: What is Pelosicos? I am dan Fa Valley coming at

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you as always with the one, the only, the legendary

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D and Deli Bull, the certified fantabulous mister Grant Hughes.

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We're both very excited, not because we change content plans

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since there's just no covering the NBA normally right now

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with the trade deadline coming up that we're going to

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lean into that. We're excited because my MIC is plugged

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in and working on like our three hour Western Conference

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trade deadline primer where I did manipulate the audio's best

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I couldn't post, but I was not happy afterwards. So

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I'm ecstatic that my MIC is working this time. Grant,

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how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Though? I'm doing well and you sound more importantly fantastic.

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Speaker 1: You told me that last time too, though, so I

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feel like I just can't take you.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was fine. I don't know. Maybe my

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ears are going or I just have lower audio quality

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standards than you do, probably both.

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Speaker 1: I just maybe it's that I just assumed that you

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knew I was gonna harp on it, and you just

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like get this idiot to shut up, Like no, you

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sounded great the acoustics were amazing.

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Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, what I said was, I wouldn't

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have noticed if you hadn't said anything, which is not

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a total disregard of like it sounded less than perfect,

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but again, wouldn't have noticed. I feel like that's a

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fair And I also was like, let's let's try to

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let's avoid Dan spiraling on this issue. So that's you know,

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I try to do that.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes neither of us are going to spiral as we

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try something new here where. If you've been around for

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a while, you've seen me react to articles that have

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trade ideas. We're both gonna do it. This time. Bleacher

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Report put out a piece one new trade idea for

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every NBA team one week before the twenty twenty five

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NBA trade deadline. We have not looked at any of it,

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or grant Lie granted he looked at the first trade

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the other twenty ninety is not. We're just going to

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react to them, give our thoughts, and anything we say

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is with all due respect because as the author of

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as the authors of these pieces in the past, and

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I was just asked this, I want a real gam

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radio with Wes S. Goldberg asked me, like, what goes

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into making a fake trade. And my snarky response was,

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I'm trying to just piss off as many people as

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possible because I love it when everyone's angry and saying

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mean things to me. That is still the dumbest, like

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people saying, here's that attention you wanted. It's like, yeah,

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I made this so that people would yell at me

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online and make me feel bad about myself. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you have a preface of that nature because

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I was gonna say, these are fucking hard to do,

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and I personally don't like doing them. So Zach, who

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did this great respect, We've worked with him forever, Like,

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these are hard. I'm not sure anybody would do these

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of their own volition. There are things called assignments, and

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we all got to do them at our jobs, and

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we do the best we can. And Zach, the one

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trade I looked at already, I loved it, so like,

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are not knocking anything here. These are really hard, and

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these that are any good, you've succeeded. So I just

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Speaker 1: And for only the things they're not hard. We should

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do something. Join our discord, and at some point, maybe

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over the off season, was like, we'll take your trade

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submissions and then allow us give us permission to pick

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them apart like a typical comment or would, and we'll

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show you what that good for. Anybody think, could you

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be that not sadistics not the right word, but could

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you be that intentionally annoying? I think I could do it?

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Speaker 2: Could I? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Try me. All right, we are beginning alphabetically, and we're

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not in charge of the alphabet this time, which is

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a huge plus. We're just gonna go along with Zach

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the Hawks getting Yaka Perle from the Toronto Raptors and

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sending to Toronto Clint Capella, Kobe Buffkin, a twenty twenty

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five second round pick via the Wolves and a twenty

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twenty seven second round pick via the Clippers. So I

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told you already, I kind of like this one. I

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like it more first one team than the other. I'm

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the logic here would be they want to get out

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from under Yaka Peardles deal m hm, And you're getting

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two seconds and we don't know Kobe Bufkins injured and

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like he hasn't shown a ton and you have enough?

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are you gonna keep davey On Mitchell, Jamal shed Ja,

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Kobe Walter, Emmanuel Quickly's there?

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but it's a pretty I mean, Yaka Purdle and your

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it's like two different, really type of bigs. That's I

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Speaker 2: What about you? So I kind of like it for both.

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it for Toronto just because I don't feel like Peardle

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is is someone that like he's fine, right, He's like

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a mid tier center. He's serviceable, like a decent decent starter.

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a guy who plays the same position for the balance

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of this year and is expiring money. So that's that's

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where it starts for me. It's a flyer on Buffkin

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who's hurt now and hasn't shown much, and you're getting

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seconds for it, so like and then so I like

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no incentive to tank, don't control twenty five, twenty six,

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twenty seven firsts. So you're getting someone in there that

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salaries for uh for Toronto, But like Purtle's got what

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one more year after this one? Is it? Or is

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Speaker 1: Wasn't it a four year deal? So you got two more?

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Speaker 2: Okay? That like it a little less for that reason.

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liked it better if he was expiring next year. I

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should have had that pulled up.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't player option for the following year. I just

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Buffkin in two seconds essentially though, because if that's what

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you turn Purtel into. I never would have thought of

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this one though, So no Boston Celtics idea grant they

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received Davonte Green I already love it for Boston, and

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the Pelicans receive Jayden Springer and a two thousan thirty

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is a tax savings move. Green makes just lover what

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million dollars, which probably equates to like, what like eight million,

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because you could save about sixteen if you don't Springer

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at least has shot it better. And then what New Orleans.

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that's maybe that's the ding of.

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to have a note because they're not paying it. They

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second round pick, and even just Jaden Springer for the

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rest of the year. Have him go out there, see

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what he can do defensively, especially with herb Joan injured,

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moves for Jeremiah Robinson, our own Daniel Tye lined up

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as well as dump so that then you still duck

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Speaker 2: Which is totally like, that's totally feasible. It doesn't.

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but a second round lottery ticket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Brooklyn is going to get Marcus Smart,

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Gig Jackson, and at twenty twenty five first which top

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with top five protection from the Memphis Grizzlies for Cam Johnson.

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this a little bit through the deadline. If you don't

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the twenty five and twenty six firsts or control of

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that back, so you can be bad next year. You

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can wait to try to move him at the deadline. Again,

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the risk is Cam Johnson's basically never been better, so

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absorbing Marcus Smart, who's got let's see another year left,

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just one more year, right he So he'll be expiring

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next year. Yeah, it's not the worst thing to have

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a twenty something million dollar expiring contract if you're thinking

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you're rebuilding again next year. I hesitate on Brooklyn side

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first you're getting, needs to have more potential, especially because

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doesn't matter because Marcus Smart hasn't been healthy. We've talked

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a lot about who's the point of attack defender guy

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that you trust in the playoffs, and Scottie Pippen is small,

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Jaylen Wells is a rookie that's not Desmond Baines's bag.

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Will Vince Williams be healthy? So like, if you're getting

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rid of Marcus Smart, you've now is like it's not

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going to be him either. But I think if you

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with the pick if I can, for multiple reasons. But

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first soft or may just not be out there.

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Speaker 1: And look, this would be the equivalent of two first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, for.

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Speaker 1: Charlotte, they get David Roddy in a twenty twenty five

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additional second round picks. I mean, LaMelo's injured, so you

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need another playmaker type. And Mesich his money for next

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year is non guaranteed, so you either get rid of

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him or you could guarantee it and try to use him.

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Speaker 2: As part of another move. Yeah, it's just for Atlanta.

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It's fairly clear. You're just I mean, it's kind of

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it seems more like a next year focused move, although

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you like, they do need the Hawks to actually need

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another point guard esque player, so I kind of like

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it for Atlanta. Uh, Charlotte, I guess the twenty five

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second from the Wolves that's going to be I don't

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know what forty forty something, mid forties, late forties. Maybe yeah,

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might be worth it. Although like, if you're Charlotte, maybe

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you just want I guess you know what, if you're Charlotte,

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it's more valuable to you to get an asset than

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to have the like flexibility of Michich is non guarantee. Right,

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you're getting something, So I guess I get it from

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both sides here.

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Speaker 1: I guess the issue is is how much more expensive

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is Roddy's at two point eight this year and Vasa

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makes like a lot more. So the Hawks would be

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in the tax after this trade, and I'm not I'm

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not doing that, so they would need to have another

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move lined up to duck it.

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Speaker 2: Because they're not paying it.

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Speaker 1: We agree, butch is like a theory in Atlanta. I

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think they're the team that's kind of filling a need

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as part.

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Speaker 2: Of this deal. Sure, Chicago Bulls, here we go. They're

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gonna get. Oh, here we go. The Bulls are gonna

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receive Kyle Anderson, Gary Payton, the second Gie Santos deal

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breaker forget it, and a twenty twenty five first round

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pick with lottery protection. The Warriors will get Nicola Vucevich.

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My first reaction is I would much prefer this be seconds,

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even though the lottery protection helped. So it is nice though,

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that the Bulls from the Warriors perspective, are taking on

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the next two years of Kyle Anderson's money. Peyton's expiring.

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Santos I mean, like he's an energy guy, but he

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is essentially a two way player. Has not proved he's

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more than that so far. I don't know what Are

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you hung up on the twenty five first versus a

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couple seconds as like a sticking point here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just because Vouch isn't putting you in a better

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position enough to where it's, oh, thank god we got

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off of Kyle Anderson's money. You still have Voch on

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the books then for twenty million bucks next year. So

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I probably wouldn't do this if I was golden the state,

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I'd hold the line at seconds and even look, i'd

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ask you if if it was seconds, but then you

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had to give up Kavon Looney instead of Kyle Anderson,

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Are you still doing it?

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Speaker 2: Hmm? Man, that's a tough trade off. So the problem is,

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so what's the So Anderson's like nine ish and Vucevic's

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over twenty, so you're and then Loney's obviously expired or

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forget it's a team option or just expiring. But either way,

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it's it's coming off the books if you want it to.

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I think I'd be more inclined to do it if

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it's Yeah, it probably if it's Looney in seconds, even

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though I mean that twenty five first is going to be,

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I mean it might. You might just keep that pick.

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That's the other thing, right, if it doesn't convert to

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something else. If not conveyed, you're just giving up salary

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you don't want for Vucevic who by who ultimately next

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year might be salary you don't want. Uh. But but

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that that the lot of protections interesting. Theoretically this should

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make you good enough that you convey the pick though, right, Like,

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that's the thing, I mean, would it? Well, that's that

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would be the thinking from the warriors side is we

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don't do but what.

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Speaker 1: If you end up sending number fifteen or sixteen? Are

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you okay? Let's say that pick is number sixteen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you okay with that? Going to Chicago?

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Speaker 2: That's why my initial reaction was, like, I just don't

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want the first in it. From the warrior's perspective, if

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I'm a bulls like, yeah, yes please, of course, of

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course you rather have the first than seconds, right Anderson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would do this for Chicago with Golden State.

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I'm not giving up air If I'm giving up a

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first round pick, I need someone back better than Booch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: You did keep quitting post though, ye, so.

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Speaker 2: But you lose Gi Santos. I mean, imagine the fan

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riot fan riots are going to happen. Oh th this

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is for you, Dan.

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Speaker 1: The Cleveland Cavaliers received Chris Bouche, the Raptors received George Niang.

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A twenty twenty five second that comes from Milwaukee and

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a twenty twenty seven second that comes from Denver. Is

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that so for the Calves it's a yes. I think

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Chris Bouche is more playable in the postseason and George

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has been pretty good this year. Do you think those

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two seconds are enough for Toronto to take on the

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next year of Niang's contract. I think it would be,

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just because they do seem determined to roll over their

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expiring salary slots into other salary slots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think with because there were some

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rumblings weren't there about well, might just try to re

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sign Bouchet like they're not going to do it in

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a way that gives them the flexibility that Niang's deal might.

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I think for me, obviously, if you're the Cavs, I

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think you do it. You get a different dimension from

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a third big that I like a lot, although, like,

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I mean, how different I guess you get this this

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shop blocking stuff. Niang is a very different kind of stress.

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Speaker 1: You'll have to get out from under Niang's money for

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next year, which just might have some value as you're

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looking to use a mid level exception because and also

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karros a Vert's a free agent that you gotta sign.

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I'm very curious. We'ven'n talked about this, and at this

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point I default too. It'll be the mid level or

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less if that, like tyjer Rome's free agent market's gonna

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be fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think. I mean from I'm trying to trying

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to talk myself into Toronto side of it just zooming out.

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You're getting two second rounders for Chris Bouchet who's coming

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off the books, and you don't know, like how comfortable

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you are at with whatever number it takes to bring

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him back. Like that's you know, Niang doesn't. Niang's not

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gonna break the bank. I could see Toronto if somebody says, no,

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I think it's Toronto. But but I I think it

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kind of works for both teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it looks. It doesn't look great when

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Chris Bouchet is shooting what thirty seven percent from three

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this year and like he's been on a heater lately.

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But Niang shot the ball pretty well. Yeah, He's at

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thirty nine point nine percent on about similar volume in

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less playing time. So I think this is fringe for Toronto.

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I think I love it for Cleveland, even though the

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Yang's been pretty good for them. Can I throw out

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a bonus Cavs trade idea?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: I pitched this on the Real GM Radio. Uh Jae

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and Tyson their twenty thirty one first round pick and

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George Niang and Craig Porter Junior for Robert Williams the

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third and Tamani Kamara.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well why would Cleveland not do that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that doesn't get Portland to at least

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think like, you get Tyson and you get like that

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twenty thirty one pick, so it's two first.

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Speaker 2: I like that for I think that's great for both.

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Like the twenty it was a Cavs twenty thirty one

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first and what was the other one, Tyson.

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Speaker 1: And plus I think it was George Niang and Craig

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Porter Junior for Tamani Kamara and Robert Williams the third.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I really like Kamara a lot, But

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you do when you think about it, they have to

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acknowledge like how helpful is he really for where Portland is?

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You know, like he makes more sense on a good team.

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He's one of those guys, so I could see Portland

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just valuing the picks. And is that twenty thirty one

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ipathetically unprotected?

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Speaker 1: I think you have to it has been probably like

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top four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that one.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Cleveland, I like it because I mean r

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W three is like upgrade from the Tristan Thompson and

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it's sure I think they're either out of the tax

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after that or you just dump Tristan Thompson at that

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point or someone else. The thing that's interesting though, is

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like Timany Kamar might just be the fifth guy to

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close with you, or if you decide you want to

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close small, then to moniy Kmar is probably definitely closing

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because like him next to Mobley, who would be the

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one big closer. Yeah, that's all that's holy. And also

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Tony Korr just defends the point of attack, like that's

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just what he does a lot in Portland. That like

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takes a lot away from Darius Garland and to a

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lesser extent, Donovan Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: Right, you can hide one of them if you need

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to which if it's like Max Strus or whoever, it's

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kind of like Dean Wade is is I don't know.

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We always have liked to Dean Wade is the fifth guy,

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but Tamara is just better than Dean Wade basically everything

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you needed to be good at, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would normally say Dean Wade's the

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better on offense, but like Tomani Kamar just he continues

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to just do it, like some of the drives, he's

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done some of the dribbles. Yeah, So I wanted to

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see if you would like that one.

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Speaker 2: I do like that one.

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Speaker 1: We're on too, Bonus Cavs one. Let's know what you

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think about the Bonus Cavs trade, Dallas Mavericks, Is you,

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mister Hughes?

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Speaker 2: All right? The MAVs get Kelly Olynnok from the Toronto

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rapp in exchange for Maxi Kleiba, Jayden Hardy, and a

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twenty twenty five second round pick, which will come via

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the Nuggets or the Sixers.

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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure that's more favorable because I've written

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so many trades or talked about them that it's more favorable.

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So Philly's second round pick could theoretically be like in

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the thirties or early forties.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you, I mean right, what today? It's it's

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definitely in the.

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Speaker 1: It actually might be closer to like in the forties.

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Aren't they on a winning streak as we're recording this?

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Speaker 2: So so here's so obviously the MAVs need a big

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Derek Lively's hurt, Cleeba's hurt, Gafford's been solid, but it's

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just that's a lot to ask of him. Dwight Powell

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injured and is also just kind of an adult in

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the room, uh stages of his caress. How many years

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has Dwight Powell been like the locker room presence guy

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on the like it's been along you don't have has.

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Speaker 1: Them West at this point?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: He came over from another team, so maybe that doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: So I think there are two questions here. One, if

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you're Dallas, are you confident that Kelly Linnock is like

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playoff via because that needs to be where your focus is.

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And I think that's a that's a niffy one. And

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then I still haven't quit Jaden Hardy, So I'm hung

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up a little bit on that. I think if Dallas, look,

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there's only so many available guys. I'd certainly rather do

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this for Bouchet than a link if we're talking about

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uh Toronto, big guys you could trade for. I just

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I think the Raptors should do this, and I think

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Dallas I would hesitate a little bit, just because I

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don't know that a Linic is going to help you

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when you need him to, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand like the need right now, Like he

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would certainly film minutes while Derek Lively's out and Quiba's

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out and even Dwight Powell was dealing with hip stuff.

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But I'd have a tough time doing this, and maybe

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I'm still too married to the concept of Max and

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Kleiba more so than the player. And I think what's

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also a little difficult is you're shaving some payroll here.

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But like I would also, if you're going to give

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up this, like Jayden Hardy is part of it, I

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think i'd want to get out of the tax as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking up I can never remember if Yeah,

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Alynix on the hook for thirteen point four next year,

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So then between I mean last Lively is not paid yet,

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so but between Olynic and Gafford and I guess you've

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moved off Kleiba. The salary is not crazy because then

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bonus you have a thirteen point four million expiring next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dallas, it's only what like two and a half

472
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,160
million bucks more than what Kleba was gonna make next year.

473
00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I guess to me this, So, although

474
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,519
if if it's a difference between tax and not a tax,

475
00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,440
that's something to think about. But if you're Dallas, you're

476
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,200
supposed to be good enough that a little bit of

477
00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:35,119
tax is kind of the price of you know, so.

478
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,279
Speaker 1: This Would you like this trade better if instead of

479
00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,920
Olynic it's Chris Bouchet, Yeah, I would for sure. Wouldn't

480
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,039
you save more money?

481
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: Would you? Dan?

482
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might like it a little better. You'd be actually,

483
00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:48,359
you'd be a Markith Morris salary dump away from ducking

484
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,480
at tax too. I believe you'll eyeballing all this stuff. Now,

485
00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:54,160
I don't have the calculators out up to the Denver Nuggets.

486
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,319
This is a tough team. I'm interested to see. Oh

487
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,440
my god. All right. The Denver Nuggets received de Andre

488
00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,480
Hunter and bogged On mcdonovich. The Hawks received Michael Porters,

489
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:07,440
Junior Zeke Najy, and Denver's twenty thirty one first, but

490
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:09,960
it's a swap, so it's not the actual pick, So

491
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,359
it would be MPJ Najy and that twenty thirty one

492
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:18,079
swap for DeAndre Hunter and bogged On mcdonovich. My first

493
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,000
instinct is, I don't I don't know if there's enough

494
00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:26,599
upside here for Atlanta, who they don't control their next

495
00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:28,599
three first rounders, and there's a chance that they're just

496
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,960
I know, Bogie's been injured this year and bad and

497
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,039
now Jalen Johnson's injured, But like, now you're giving up

498
00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:38,039
DeAndre Hunter, who might win six Man of the Year.

499
00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:41,200
Michael Porter Junior is gonna fill a lot of the shooting,

500
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,880
gives you more size positionally, for sure, this is one

501
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,559
of those I don't like it for either team, and

502
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:50,559
so I'm wondering if actually maybe do I love it

503
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:52,519
for I don't like it for either team, which makes

504
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,240
me think that is probably a pretty good trade.

505
00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 2: I like it a little more for Denver, and that's

506
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,799
pre supposing Hunter can keep this up and that Bogdanovic

507
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:07,119
can be better. But were you playing with Jokic, which

508
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,160
which I feel like is a part of the appeal here.

509
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,599
Speaker 1: If you're the rotation, you go from your trading one

510
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,279
playable guy into two playable guys, right.

511
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,319
Speaker 2: And you are getting off the Naji deal, which has

512
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,240
just been impossibility it seems like since the moment he

513
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:26,039
signed it at least, and it's a swap, like, so

514
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,880
who knows what's gonna happen in twenty thirty one. Presumably

515
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,119
if you're the Nuggets, you should I mean, Yoki will.

516
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: Be I think that's just a swap. I'd like in

517
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,400
Atlanta can't do that, right, You would have to think

518
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,680
that they would have to believe that the Bogdanovic deal

519
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,559
or what's left on Hunter's contract is bad because they

520
00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:49,119
have to be looking at themselves and saying, I mean,

521
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,000
I guess Jokis will be in is what mid to

522
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,720
late thirties at that point, But what are the odds?

523
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,720
First of all, a lot of swaps don't get exercise

524
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,720
in the first place, and this is one of those

525
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,519
where it's what about Atlanta makes you think that they're

526
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,119
going to be in a position to where they would

527
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,519
definitely be better than the like if this was if

528
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,960
you were getting a don't like what team swap would like.

529
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,079
If you're getting a Phoenix Sun swap in twenty thirty

530
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:11,720
one is probably it's a lot different.

531
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, do you think Porter Junior's contract is

532
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,279
just objectively bad or is it seem worse because the

533
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,720
Nuggets are where they are with their flexibility.

534
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: It's it's that it's because and first of all, he

535
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:28,200
does and I guess you're getting DeAndre Hunter and Bogdan

536
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,680
mcdonovitch will both get threes up. But like, he does

537
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720
something on the roster that no one else does. Maybe

538
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,039
Julians Strather, but he's never gonna play enough minutes for

539
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:38,359
it to matter at that scale. And to do it,

540
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,519
by the way, at that size as Michael Porter Junior

541
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:42,680
is incredible.

542
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:46,559
Speaker 2: If you're the Nuggets, you're really banking on because because

543
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:49,319
you're right, Porter is just like the only plus plus

544
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,759
shooter on the roster, So you're really banking on Hunter

545
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:58,559
and Bogdanovich filling that void as shooters, which like isn't crazy,

546
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,920
You's there's definitely a scenario where this makes the Nuggets

547
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,480
better this year, Like that is absolutely on the table.

548
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:08,359
It's just not a certainty. Give in Bogdanovic's play so far.

549
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,279
Injury history, all that stuff, and Hunter just being the best.

550
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,000
It's a bye high. It's like it's a bye high

551
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,400
on Hunter, which is a little scary.

552
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,079
Speaker 1: Honestly, I might be more likely to do you have

553
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,559
to step out of your way there, But can you

554
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:24,319
include Nasey and Sharich? And so that's eight point nine

555
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,640
and four point seven, so we're talking what like twelve

556
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:30,880
thirteen and a half million bucks close to it? Can

557
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,200
you get to Bogdanovic or Hunter and then just include

558
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,359
your twenty thirty one out right without having to send

559
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,359
out Michael Porter Junior? So I think you getting to Hunter.

560
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,240
He's over twenty right, Yeah, So what is Bogie at

561
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,039
is at seventeen point three? So that's not like would

562
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:53,880
you give up Strawther and Jail and Pickett in that

563
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,680
four for one? You're gonna need to rope in other teams. Yeah,

564
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,559
but Jail Julian Strother's two point six pickets one point nine,

565
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,839
So what are we at there? So we're at three

566
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,880
and a half there plus then I don't even think

567
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,200
that cats you a half the way there.

568
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,519
Speaker 2: Now, And anytime you start getting to four for one,

569
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,839
it gets to the point of like this probably isn't

570
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,160
gonna happen because good season.

571
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that's not gonna happen. Who do you

572
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:19,480
liked is better for? Though?

573
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,519
Speaker 2: Really quickly, I well, I'm I think I'm more dubious

574
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,480
about the Hawk's side, So by default I think I

575
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:29,880
like it better for Denver, especially since it's just a swap,

576
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:32,680
you know, Yeah, you retain a little bit of upside there.

577
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons, are you all right?

578
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we're moving brandon Ingram. The Pistons get brandon Ingram

579
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,079
from the New Orleans Pelicans. Four Tim Hardaway junior Isaiah Stewart,

580
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,160
recently suspended because too many flagrant points not not really

581
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:46,559
domain this discussion.

582
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: As many flagrants six, as flagrant point six as three

583
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,160
pointers made this year, which is it?

584
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: I mean that's didn't have that on the Bengo cart.

585
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,039
Well maybe you should have. I just want to wear

586
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,680
a shot went, all right, and a twenty twenty five

587
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:05,519
second from the Raptors and a twenty seven second from

588
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:09,079
either Brooklyn or Dallas. All right, So we got to

589
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,599
start with New Orleans side of this. I think and say,

590
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,440
is this the best you can do for Ingram? You're

591
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,880
getting a couple seconds, you're getting Hardaway who's got money

592
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,240
on the books or no, I can never remember. Damn it.

593
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: We just talked Hardaways expiring.

594
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stuart is I like Stuart. I mean, if he

595
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,400
could shoot it again like he did a couple of

596
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,240
years ago, he makes sense as the center next to

597
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,559
Zion because if you can use him as a spacer

598
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,039
and his defensive like versatility and like, that's that's interesting.

599
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,400
This this might just be the best you can do

600
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,920
for Ingram, Like that's that's really on the table. And

601
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,279
then I kind of I don't know what I think

602
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,200
about Ingram in Detroit though, what do you think about

603
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:46,880
that side of it?

604
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,119
Speaker 1: Oh? I hate it. I mean for the rest of

605
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,880
this year. I think you can make a case because

606
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,680
with Jay and Ivy out, like you need the other creator.

607
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,200
But when he's not that good playing off the ball,

608
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,279
and you also like you could never how often are

609
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:01,519
you gonna want to play him with one let alone,

610
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,799
like of Ron Holland or SR. Thompson.

611
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's yeah, you run into similar problems

612
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,160
as you had in New Orleans, where it's like if

613
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,920
you could get assurances that Ingram would just be a

614
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,319
different kind of player, just be the catch and shoot

615
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,880
three guy and not need the ball so much. Maybe,

616
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,200
but not for that much, Like that's not a role

617
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,240
you want to have him occupy for the money it's

618
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,319
going to take to keep him. So I don't. I

619
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:25,960
think I'm hung up on that part of it and

620
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:30,039
giving up Stewart just for some I mean, he might

621
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:31,920
even be able to resigning room. That's the other thing

622
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:34,240
I would, honestly.

623
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: If it was like Simoni font Tachio instead of Isaiah Stuart,

624
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,039
I might consider it. If I'm Detroit, And then I

625
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,000
I don't know if that's enough. So what is Hardaway at?

626
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,400
He's a Actually that might be enough to just make

627
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,400
it work. You're using all your cap space in that scenario,

628
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,319
but you have Hardaway's at sixteen point two and some

629
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,279
morning go on Techyo is at seven point seven, so

630
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,640
you're at twenty what four? That is enough to bring

631
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,920
back in England. So I might do that, just because

632
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,440
who's your bigs after this? For Detroit, Jellen Duran and

633
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Paul Reid.

634
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: That's it?

635
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So would you do that? As Detroit?

636
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: I like it better? I don't. I still don't know

637
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,559
if I get there, but I like it better.

638
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,039
Speaker 1: I might do it if I'm New Orleans too, fon

639
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:20,359
Techio and THHJ with the number thirty seven pick right

640
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,960
now and then in another second, I think about it,

641
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,279
but I think you could also make the case take

642
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:28,200
it to free agency and either sign and trade him

643
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,039
then or do you get Brandon Ingram in a number

644
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:32,839
that you like? There is that yeah, over to the

645
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,359
Golden State Warriors. They're your team, but they're my team

646
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,920
now Grant Golden State Warriors get vouch And is this

647
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,319
the same as SAX trade we already.

648
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: Talked about a little different. I looked ahead, okay, so

649
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,400
just now, not in advance.

650
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,799
Speaker 1: The Bulls get Kyle Anderson, Gary Payton the second Gie

651
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:53,359
Santos twenty twenty five second round pick. It's protected top

652
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,240
thirty seven and a twenty thirty second round pick. If

653
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,319
I'm the Warriors, I'm absolutely doing this.

654
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,839
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, because you're getting the best of everything.

655
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,079
You're getting off of Anderson, which we were kind of like,

656
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:06,160
we like that about the first one on the Bulls

657
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,720
side earlier, uh, Peyton Santos, And this is this even

658
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,880
you get protections on that second you got It's not

659
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,079
only two seconds, but you get protections on one of them.

660
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,240
I love that. I think I think you pull this

661
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,039
trigger real fast if you're the Warriors.

662
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:21,279
Speaker 1: Is this enough for the Bulls? Honestly, I think the

663
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,119
Bulls should do it because you're taking on Anderson's money.

664
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:27,400
But Anderson over the next two years basically makes what

665
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,880
Vouch makes next season. Mm hmm yeah, giving more flexibility,

666
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,880
and like you could just Anderson like he'll do. He's

667
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,200
a I don't want to say, more dynamic. You could

668
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,839
play him at more positions than you can Nicola Vucivich.

669
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,759
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I mean, and he makes less than half

670
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:45,880
as much, so that's a factor. I think. I think

671
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,279
you definitely say yes if you're Golden State. I think

672
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,200
you probably still say yes if you're the Bulls. And

673
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,000
I do think this is more representative of the kinds

674
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,119
of offers they are going to get for vuc Maybe

675
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,599
I'll be wrong. I just don't see the first on

676
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,400
the table for him.

677
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: I think think if the other offers are comparable, or

678
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,599
if this is the best offer, I do think it's

679
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:05,480
good enough to take. And could you imagine, with the

680
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,200
way that the Bulls play offense this year, when Key

681
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:08,400
Santos would look like on this.

682
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,599
Speaker 2: Only my dreams, Houston grant all right, Okay, Houston is

683
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
getting Josh Richardson in a twenty twenty six second from

684
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,359
the heat for a twenty twenty six second. This is

685
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,440
a tax related move, I suppose essentially. Yeah, I love

686
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,920
the thirty one to fifty five protection on the on

687
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,920
the heat pick coming in.

688
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Zach for including I know you

689
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,039
do this, but like, shout out for including that, because

690
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,079
this this is the stuff I agonize over.

691
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,039
Speaker 2: You need to know the protections on seconds. Yeah, I

692
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:46,400
get it. I'm trying to just skim the justification, which

693
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,240
is just like it's gotta just be financial.

694
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,279
Speaker 1: I think if I'm Houston, I mean, if you're getting

695
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,640
the Lakers a twenty six second round pick just to

696
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,920
rent out a roster spot which they don't have at

697
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,799
the moment. Though, So who are you waving? Unless does

698
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,039
he have a roster spot? And I'm discounting. I'll double

699
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:02,720
check that, but.

700
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: Well you could you could find somebody.

701
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,319
Speaker 1: Well who do you want to wave? Though? Look at

702
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:09,200
what's that.

703
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull it up right now and I'll tell

704
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,000
you as.

705
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:15,319
Speaker 1: Like they have players they don't use, but like you

706
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,319
just want to wave like you don't want to wave

707
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,319
Jock Landell on the.

708
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: Actually, they're weirdly hard to find someone to wave.

709
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: That's that was my dilemma.

710
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like Aaron Holiday. Nope, you use

711
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,440
him sometimes like that's I don't know you. Yeah, that's tough.

712
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, they have fifteen roster spots, so I I

713
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,599
don't think I'm doing this, Houston. Like, if you have

714
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,799
another deal lined up where you're consolidating Tate and Landale,

715
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,799
two of Tate Landale or I guess I know, you

716
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,400
can't wave Aaron Holiday even was that a player option?

717
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,480
That better be a team option. Yeah, that's a team option. Yeah,

718
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:51,920
I just they need a shooter in there. And so

719
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,279
unless you have another deal lined up where you're consolidating

720
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:56,839
and it's like two of Green Landale or Tate for

721
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,519
somebody else, I get the asset play. But when you

722
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,119
don't have a foster spot, that's tough.

723
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah that is.

724
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm still injured, by the way, So.

725
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,199
Speaker 2: This doesn't get the heat out of the tax either. No,

726
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,960
they're like thirteen million team point into it. Don't worry

727
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,800
anyone who's listening here.

728
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: Since teaser, we're about to get them out of the

729
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,599
tax later, don't you worry the Pacers. So the Pacers

730
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,719
get Cam Johnson, who they've been linked to, in exchange

731
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,400
for Obi Toppin, aaron Ne Smith and a twenty twenty

732
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,880
eight first round pick and a twenty thirty first round

733
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,280
pick swap. Wow, I do think this is reflective, accurately

734
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,440
reflective or close to it of how the Obi Toppin

735
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,360
deal is viewed around the league.

736
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: Because something to get off that it looks like, right,

737
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,000
it looks like this is because if I'm, the Nets

738
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,159
are jumping all over this, aren't they They should?

739
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,599
Speaker 1: I can't do it if I'm indeed, because Cam Johnson

740
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,920
doesn't even fill Maybe positionally he feels your biggest need,

741
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,239
but he doesn't do the stuff that you need the

742
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,679
most out that position makes sense?

743
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

744
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, no does it not? Does that me tripping over

745
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,440
my words?

746
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,519
Speaker 2: Well, now I'm I'm I'm stuck on the Miles Turner

747
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:10,880
side of it. As I'm reading what Zach you got

748
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,800
to mention Miles Turner's free agency and anything the Pacers do,

749
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,440
you kind of have to think of think of that

750
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:20,719
aspect of it. So Johnson's what twenty two ish next year,

751
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,840
topping is topping, and so you're saying, I don't think

752
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,920
you're you know, most most deals you'd imagine the pacers

753
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,719
doing would be with an eye towards getting a little

754
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,559
bit cheaper so that it's easier to you know, fit

755
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,400
turner back in next year on a number you can

756
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,079
deal with. I don't think this, this doesn't accomplish that either.

757
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: And you get I mean, you get a little worse

758
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,920
defensively at least, right, I know, top in matters.

759
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: Smith matters for them, that's kind of the problem, but

760
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,079
NEI Smith really is important. I mean the nets, Yeah,

761
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:56,719
the nets are just like they're not they're hoping this

762
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,719
is a mistake, I think, and just saying yes.

763
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:02,599
Speaker 1: A mistake. Yeah, that's especially for where they're at, they

764
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:04,480
would do it. I don't think there's a chance even

765
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,400
what would you have to remove? Do you think for

766
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,119
the pacers, even if you took away the swap, are

767
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:09,960
the pacers doing this?

768
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: So it's just that, I mean, that's pretty light protection

769
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:15,760
on that twenty eight too. I think maybe if you

770
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,519
took the swap out and made the twenty eight first

771
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:21,119
like lottery protected, maybe.

772
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: Then I don't think Brooklyn I mean, ne Smith could

773
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,079
be useful for them, but I don't think Brooklyn's do it.

774
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, then Brooklyn says no because it's like, well,

775
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,960
we just get two from somebody else.

776
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: It's interesting, though, that you did. I'm sure I don't

777
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,440
know if Pacers internally actually want to do this, but

778
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,599
I think a lot of Pacers fans, just because they

779
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:38,039
seem to be very high on these guys, would be

780
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:41,119
happy that you kept Jarvis Walker and Benanic Mathern. The

781
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:42,679
Clippers are your team, mister Hughes.

782
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: All right, the Clippers are gonna get Jordan Clarkson from

783
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,920
the Jazz for PJ. Tucker Bones Hyland and a twenty

784
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,039
thirty second and a twenty thirty one second, So Tucker

785
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,519
Hyland two seconds as distant as you can make them

786
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:56,559
for Jordan Clarkson.

787
00:36:58,559 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm sold for the Clippers. You get out of the

788
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:01,960
tax and you get.

789
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,159
Speaker 2: Come for the Jazz. I think two seconds.

790
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: I like that out of Clarkson's money for next year,

791
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,440
even though.

792
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,639
Speaker 2: Thatsolutely matter, I think that's this is a win win.

793
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:14,119
Speaker 1: That's a great trade. Shout out, Zach. But this does

794
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,880
I'll double check it very quick before I move on

795
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,199
to the Lakers. But this does get them out of

796
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,000
the tax because Tucker's at eleven point six and Bones

797
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,559
is four point two. So you're talking about fifteen point

798
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:26,760
eight million, and I don't think only like two million

799
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,119
dollars into the tax. How much does Clarkson make this year?

800
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:32,760
Clarkson is at fourteen, so you need to make another

801
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,519
deal to get out.

802
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,199
Speaker 2: Of the tax. But you're going the right direction tax

803
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,559
wise if you're the Clippers here.

804
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: Right, So, yes, I would do this for both teams.

805
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,360
That's a great trade the Lake. Oh god, Daron Fox

806
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:48,840
is pictured. Aaron Fox to the Lakers four Austin Reeves, Ruey, Hachima,

807
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Gabe Vincent, a twenty twenty nine first round pick, and

808
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,840
a twenty thirty one first round pick that's top five protected.

809
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,719
And then if it doesn't convey, that means that you

810
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,360
get nothing because you can't trade for that's further out.

811
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,559
So and the Lakers have no seconds in that year.

812
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,400
I'll double check. I'll double check that, so that I

813
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,800
mean two first round picks and Austin Reeves plus Ruy

814
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,800
and Gabe Vincent for Diarron Fox. I'm gonna start from

815
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,320
the Lakers side. I don't know that I could. With

816
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,760
how well Austin Reeves has played, I don't know that

817
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,880
I could give up him and both those first for

818
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,840
Darron Fox.

819
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,039
Speaker 2: So I agree with you, and I got there a

820
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,400
different way, which is from the King side. I'm like, yeah,

821
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,679
I think I do this pretty easily. I do. I

822
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,679
would be concerned that that twenty thirty one disappears essentially

823
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,559
if it's not conveyed. But an I we're assuming unprotected

824
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,719
twenty nine first, which I'm pretty interested in, uh, from

825
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,599
the Lakers and Reeves. Like again, if you're the Kings,

826
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:53,199
it's like you just you're kind of over a barrel

827
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,119
as it is. It's just sort of you know, you've

828
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,920
got you could wait till the offseason. I think the

829
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,519
Kings say yes, And then I do you think the

830
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:05,239
Lakers might hesitate a little bit because of Reeves and

831
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,440
because like this is your movie, this is it, right,

832
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,599
this is this is the extent what you can do

833
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,159
to add to this roster, and it might not be enough.

834
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,039
Speaker 1: I think, would you do it as the Lakers if

835
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:18,400
you're including Vanderbilt instead of Reeves, and then you just

836
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,199
have to give up both these first round picks.

837
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: So then you're left with Fox and Reeves and Ad

838
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:26,920
and Lebron, and I guess, like Max Christy is really important.

839
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,519
Now I like it more.

840
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: I think I would do it, but no, I'm sorry. Look,

841
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,079
you have two players who are All Stars. This year,

842
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,880
Lebron made the All Star Team. This is the type

843
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,119
of all in trade you make. I just as the Lakers,

844
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,159
Ruy's probably net neutral on his contract. I do the

845
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,719
Lakers clearly value him than anyone else around the league.

846
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,679
I don't know if I'm taking that as the Kings,

847
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,280
but if you did maybe top one or two protection

848
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,880
on that final pick, and you're just replacing Reeves's salary

849
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,519
with Vanderbilt, and if you need more money the Lakers

850
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,440
they can send out like a jalenthodchia Fino's expiring or

851
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,440
Christian Wood or somebody. I would do that for the Lakers.

852
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,079
And if I'm the Kings, like unless I'm getting better

853
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,159
first round equality, I mean, the Kings probably don't want

854
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:15,239
to rebuild. That's what we've run into, so I probably

855
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,960
say no. But I think that's a viable enough offer

856
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,800
to say we could take it, Like if you were

857
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,920
going to go the rebuilding route to get those two

858
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,039
Lakers first, but you are look, you're taking on money

859
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:29,079
into the future though, too, which is weird.

860
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: I think maybe this will come down to if you're

861
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,440
looking for for Knits to pick, it's just like maybe

862
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,719
the Kings can get something better like the Lakers. This

863
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,360
is about this is what they can offer. This is

864
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,480
kind of their max offer essentially, because it doesn't include Vanderbilt.

865
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,360
Like it's the it's very favorable for you.

866
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could throw a Dalton connect would be like

867
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,400
the only Yeah.

868
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know that

869
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,440
the Kings can't expect a heck of a lot better

870
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,960
than this. Maybe, well we'll see, we'll find out soon.

871
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,280
I suppose. I think probably for a trade of this level,

872
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,079
this is like pretty it's it's impressive that it's like

873
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,119
causing us to think this much about it.

874
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,679
Speaker 1: Onto the Memphis Grizzlies. Cam Johnson to Memphis four Marcus Smart,

875
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:18,039
Santi Aldama, and a twenty six first round pick. Ooh, so,

876
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:23,400
I I think this is closer than the other one

877
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,360
that had Gigi Jackson in the I first going to Brooklyn.

878
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,880
I think if I'm the Nets, I mean, do you

879
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,360
want to pay Santi Aldamedo when you already have Nick Claxton, I.

880
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: Mean maybe you do. I think maybe you want to

881
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,440
have Santio I don't know, Like.

882
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: I al cost A Ton, that's for sure.

883
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get off Smart, which is not nothing from

884
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,440
from Memphis perspective. I guess the maybe the quibble is

885
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,920
Cam is not the big wing defender that you kind

886
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,400
of ideally want if you're Memphis, or that certainly is

887
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,840
discussed as something that they should want. He's still I mean,

888
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,000
he's the best player in this deal the twenty six First.

889
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,280
I think between the twenty six Perst and Aldama, I

890
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,000
kind of like it for Brooklyn if you can just

891
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,320
say we don't care about having to eat the Smart

892
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,480
salary because we're not gonna be good next year anyway.

893
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I guess with Memphis, Santiel Damas playing a

894
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:24,000
ton for them, But you have Zach Edy and Jaron

895
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,360
Jackson Junior and Jay Huff and Brandon Clark. So in

896
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,400
theory you should be able to navigate his absence and

897
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,199
now you don't have to worry about paying him.

898
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

899
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: I think this is a both size probably say yes deal.

900
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, as long as Aldama is viewed

901
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,159
as like the equivalent of first round asset, which I

902
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,159
think is reasonable if you're Brooklyn. He's young enough, he's

903
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,880
improved enough, like that might really be a thing. All right,

904
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,239
I'll take the Heat here. The Heat are getting dearon

905
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,000
Fox on the move again, Kevin Herder and a twenty

906
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:57,400
twenty five second round pick coming from Denver or Philly

907
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:00,679
via Phoenix. The Suns are getting We're gonna be talking

908
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,480
about this one for a while. Sons get Jimmy Butler,

909
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:06,719
the Kings get Bradley Beal, Hi May Hawkes Oh, a

910
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,559
twenty seven first round pick that's one of those worst

911
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,519
ofs coming from Utah, Minnesota, A twenty nine first from

912
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,039
the Heat and a twenty nine first Again, I think

913
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,119
this is one of those worst ofs from Utah, Cleveland

914
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:23,159
or Minnesota. So let's talk about Sacramento side is the

915
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,719
bratt Well First of all, if Bradley Beal says no,

916
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,599
this deals off.

917
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bradley Beal's probably not gonna say, although maybe I

918
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,199
don't know he could say. I mean, it's still it's

919
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,519
in Cali. And then you're playing with the bonus and

920
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:35,519
de Rosen and Monk.

921
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: Would you agree though that Beal is like the absolute

922
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,639
wrong kind of player as far as like what the

923
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:41,280
Kings need.

924
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I agree.

925
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: So they're doing it.

926
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,119
Speaker 1: I mean you're getting him Hawks and three first round picks,

927
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:54,000
I probably, I mean you and you're getting off Hurders money.

928
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,320
I mean, but you have to take on Bell's money.

929
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's so do you like? I like the

930
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,920
Lakers offer bet better from that, for in for Fox

931
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,280
and for with the Kings, don't you, Because there's just

932
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,880
mainly because Beal's money is not in it.

933
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I prefer Austin. I mean, how

934
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,800
many Hawk as you might get better, but I'd probably prefer.

935
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,800
Like the two Lakers first round picks are arguably more

936
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,880
valuable than any of the first round picks are getting

937
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,400
in this deal.

938
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're because the best of those is the Heat's

939
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,800
twenty nine first, which is maybe you could argue that's

940
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,119
of comparable value to the Lakers twenty nine first, I

941
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,920
would expect. I think there's more downside for the Lakers

942
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,880
than for the Heat, probably just because the Lakers, I

943
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,920
mean the Heat saw bam, they have hero like they're

944
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,840
they're and you're they're getting Fox. So That's another thing

945
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,760
to consider, is like you just sent a really good

946
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,079
player to the team, who's twenty nine first? You? Yeah,

947
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:44,079
got the access to.

948
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this. Who's the team you like it

949
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,079
for most? Is Phoenix? You only have to give up

950
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:49,760
two of those.

951
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: First Yeah, it's definitely Phoenix because they're getting off hold

952
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:58,039
on Phoenix is getting off Beal and it's only giving

953
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:02,360
up two of those worst of firsts. So they still

954
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,239
have one of those right to use on a Nurkic

955
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,360
offload if they want to. So that's like someone takes

956
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,960
Nurkic or Grayson Allen or whatever. But you're I think

957
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,519
the Suns come out looking the best here.

958
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:18,159
Speaker 1: Do you like this for? You liked it for Miami?

959
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:19,280
You didn't like it for Sacramento?

960
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: Right, don't don't like it for the Kings? Love it

961
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,079
for the Suns? For the heat. It's risky, Yeah, yeah,

962
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:29,800
it's it's risky. I think I don't know, just turning

963
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,760
Butler into Fox and it's costing you Hawkes and a

964
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,400
twenty nine first, it's not crazy. No, it's okay for them.

965
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,280
It's okay for them. It's bad for the Kings. It's

966
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,079
great for the Suns.

967
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Milwaukee Bucks. Here, this is

968
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,400
a challenging team, O Zach Lavine to Milwaukee for the

969
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,960
Bulls are getting Chris Middleton, Bobby Portis and a two

970
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,719
thousand and thirty one first round pick and a two

971
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:54,559
and thirty one second round pick.

972
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: So it can't do it, which Zach acknowledges because but

973
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,880
he he does note that you got to dump Conaton

974
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,440
to get under the second apron before you do this, So.

975
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,039
Speaker 1: Right, how do you do that? Though? When you've given

976
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,559
up that second round pick and that first round pick.

977
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,599
Speaker 2: That's tough. I don't know what you're using to do that.

978
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:18,079
Speaker 1: You need Content to go out in this deal basically,

979
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:21,760
so rope in a third team, send Conaton and get

980
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,880
that twenty thirty one second rerouted to just we'll just

981
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,679
say Detroit or whatever who can take him in for

982
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,239
a second somehow.

983
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,079
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like that's that's the you need to

984
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:33,079
expand this a little bit.

985
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, and you probably have to give

986
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,960
up more than the like is aj Green have to

987
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,280
go out for that? Would you do it in a

988
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,920
vacuum though? As Milwaukee, so you're getting off of Content's

989
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,880
money while giving up all of this, and then you

990
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,800
probably have to give up I would assume like's gonna

991
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,760
cost you. I don't think like it's gonna cost you

992
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,280
Andre Jackson or aj Green.

993
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hesitate. If I'm the Bucks. I do think

994
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,639
it's fair to say Levine is an upgrade over Middleton

995
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:00,440
in a vacuum. I think some of the defensive issues

996
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,000
that he would raise, paired with Lillard in the backcourt

997
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,800
are kind of scary. And this is you're really firing

998
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,760
your last bullets to get Zach Levine. And then if

999
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,559
this doesn't go really well, what do you like? You know,

1000
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,480
I guess, I guess you could trade Dame, you could

1001
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:18,679
trade Lillard or maybe or I mean or Lopez, And

1002
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:20,679
you know, I don't, I don't know. I think this

1003
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,599
probably brings into play like a downside you might not

1004
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,400
want to mess with. If you're the Bucks, Yeah, I'm

1005
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,239
probably with you.

1006
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: But if you were able to get off Conntent in

1007
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,599
the process, I understand the appeal, especially given the state

1008
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,719
of Chris Middleton's body. I guess yeah, because I guess

1009
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,000
Joannis is just backup center.

1010
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,519
Speaker 2: Then at that point, are the Bulls incentivized enough to

1011
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:42,719
do this because I think.

1012
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,519
Speaker 1: You're getting Milwaukee's twenty thirty one first round pick. I

1013
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,079
just do it because these are what these could be

1014
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,480
expiring contracts if Middleton and Bobby Porters declined their options.

1015
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess that's I guess that's true. And

1016
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,960
if there's not a two first offer out there for

1017
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,679
the upside of that twenty thirty one bucks versus real

1018
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,119
high that's another thing to think about too. Yeah.

1019
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: I bet you the Bulls say no. Though in real life,

1020
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,199
the real life bulls would say no.

1021
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,039
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they'd say no to everything.

1022
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: Minnesota grant.

1023
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: All right, the Wolves are getting Malachi Branham, a twenty

1024
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,440
five second round pick, a twenty six second round pick,

1025
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,039
and another twenty six second rounder from Utah. Uh. And

1026
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,239
they send Nikile Alexander Walker, your favorite, my favorite, everyone's

1027
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,559
favorite to the Spurs. The Spurs win. Uh, that's a

1028
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:28,760
great trade for San Antonio. I don't know.

1029
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: Alexander Walker necessarily feels a need for them, but that's

1030
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,400
because you have step Castel. Nikill is a better He's

1031
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,480
a better shooter for sure.

1032
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think as Zach looks like in the

1033
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,159
second draft here is talking about this again, big surprise.

1034
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,400
The Wolves are thinking about cost savings naws heading into

1035
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,360
free agency. Uh, and maybe you just want to get

1036
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,599
assets and a cheaper guy uh in exchange for him

1037
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,599
because you're you're afraid of what it's going to cost. Uh.

1038
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,440
I mean from that perspective, this is in fact, in

1039
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,559
keeping with how Minnesota has operated, like, well, you know,

1040
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,400
we are scared of paying a lot of money and

1041
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:10,320
we'll make the team worse to uh because of that fear.

1042
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:13,159
I just think like, man, if the Wolves did this,

1043
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,599
can you imagine how disappointing that would be? Oh?

1044
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's, by the way, there's a chance

1045
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,400
two of these seconds the Spurs is this year and

1046
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,800
then that Utah pic next year or in the thirties,

1047
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,320
So that's not nothing. But yeah, this would be a bummer.

1048
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,119
And I also bet that Malachi Branham would be going

1049
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,400
to a third team instead of Minnesota as part of this.

1050
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,199
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, so I don't know what he is in

1051
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,199
the league going forward.

1052
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,199
Speaker 1: I would honestly I would ryot though. If I'm Minnesota

1053
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,639
fans and this is a trade that one, I would

1054
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,440
love it for the Spurs though, New Orleans here we go.

1055
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,559
Kelly Ollinock and Bruce Brown to New Orleans, as well

1056
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:49,199
as a twenty twenty five second round pick via Portland,

1057
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,480
a twenty twenty six second round pick and a twenty

1058
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:53,840
twenty seven second round pick, so Olynic Bruce Brown in

1059
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,719
three seconds to New Orleans four brandon Ingram. Whoo we

1060
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,719
did see? Wasn't it Jake Fisher or was it? Mark

1061
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,400
Stein reported that the Raptors are interested. I have no

1062
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:08,440
idea what the Raptors are doing anymore, but I mean,

1063
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,360
as a flyer, I don't love the fit of Scottie

1064
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:15,519
and Ingram and RJ and Perle I guess so quickly

1065
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,880
and Dick are both healthy and shooting the ball. Well,

1066
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,400
there's a lot of optionality there. Would you do this

1067
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,679
as Toronto just for the flyer, I think I'd probably

1068
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,360
do it, but it is just enough for New Orleans

1069
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:25,920
I would.

1070
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: And then my very first thought is like, if this

1071
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:31,000
is what the offers are for Ingram, I'm I'm just

1072
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,599
gonna hold on to him and hope for a sign

1073
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:35,400
and trade or he comes back at a number I

1074
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,079
can stomach. But yeah, Toronto for sure, just just like

1075
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:42,639
get the best player and see right. And then because

1076
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,360
that applies to you know. The maybe you can get

1077
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,239
him back at a number you like applies to Toronto

1078
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,239
too in this hypothetical, like maybe you just get to

1079
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,199
the summer and you decide, Oh, he's gonna take like

1080
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,199
a a two for fifty five or something, you know

1081
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,639
what I mean, like or a one plus one or whatever. Yeah,

1082
00:50:57,679 --> 00:50:59,559
I do it. If I'm Toronto, I think if I'm

1083
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,000
the normal, I'm just I'm gonna hold on to him.

1084
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to incentivize it, because you

1085
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,039
could offer to get New Orleans out of the attacks

1086
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,639
I suppose by taking on, But I don't know what

1087
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,159
money they don't want after this, aside for minimum. So

1088
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,440
this is like a like a dollar for dollar match too.

1089
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,880
As a trade the Knicks grant sell.

1090
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: Me on this. Jonas Valentiunis to the Nicks, Oh, let's

1091
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,440
move on. You're out for that reason. Dan's out for

1092
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:28,119
Mitchell Robinson a twenty five second that's coming from Boston

1093
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:31,360
or Memphis and a twenty six second from Detroit, Milwaukee,

1094
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:36,599
or Orlando. So Robinson a couple seconds for valentiunis. Uh,

1095
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,599
if you're the Knicks, why why do you do this?

1096
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,079
There are reasons you could come up with.

1097
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: I think it's just enlightens Karl Anthony Towns's load during

1098
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,519
the regular season at least. I don't think it's gonna

1099
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:49,440
help in the playoffs, and then it doesn't. They've had

1100
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,280
some defensive rebounding issues of late, but Yonas valentiunas isn't

1101
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,239
gonna address those when Karl Anthony Towns are on the

1102
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,239
floor if he gets pulled out on the perimeter, because

1103
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,639
you can't play those two together. Yeah, I understand what

1104
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,239
a round is not playing this with then a deer

1105
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,800
of his value. He's on the books for basically for

1106
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,599
less than the mid level exception non tax payer mid

1107
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:09,280
level exception next year. I'd rather roll the dice and

1108
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,159
keep him. Honestly, if I was Washington, I would do

1109
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,880
this deal straight up, you know, heartbeat, just for the

1110
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,440
flyer on like what Mitchell Robinson's pick and roll defense,

1111
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,639
and if you wanted to try playing him next to

1112
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,639
Alex Sar that would be something. I'm intriguing honestly that

1113
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,119
the health stuff is there with Robinson. But if this

1114
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:27,119
is the best you can do, I'm not doing it.

1115
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:30,159
Speaker 2: As New York. What about you, I think, Yeah, I

1116
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,039
agree that Washington should just do this if it's JV

1117
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,199
for for Robinson and getting seconds is like where do

1118
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,320
I immediately where do I sign? I agree? And this

1119
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,119
is another one of those where it's like Robinson really

1120
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,559
is the Knicks like way to get something like and

1121
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,519
that's kind of if you're gonna get make a consequential change,

1122
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:52,440
it has to come from come through Robinson. I would

1123
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,880
almost value the possibility that Robinson comes back and is

1124
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:58,679
just better than valentiunis over the balance of the year

1125
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:02,239
in the playoffs, Like I would be interested in finding

1126
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,679
that out, especially because I just I agree Valentin and

1127
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,079
it's just isn't going to be playable or helpful, like

1128
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,639
when the Knicks should care about.

1129
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: Right, No, I'm I'm with you. So I understand it

1130
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:14,360
from like a depth perspective at the moment, but it

1131
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,800
feels a little too short sighted for me. That's the

1132
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,000
challenge that the Knicks are facing, by the way, because

1133
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,199
I don't know, I'd be curious to know, like what

1134
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,239
Mitchell Robinson's deals you'd like around the league because he's

1135
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,719
like he's probably just in the same bucket as Robert

1136
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,760
Williams now right, Like he has his limitations he's injured,

1137
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,159
but when he's playing, he's super intriguing, and his contract

1138
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,920
is not in theory bad well, and it's.

1139
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: Just complicated by the fact that Robinson, the hypothetical of

1140
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,119
Robinson coming back this year makes him more valuable to

1141
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,280
the Knicks than any other team. So it's like it's

1142
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,960
you're dealing from a lopsided kind of position.

1143
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: If you're looking for another Mitchel Robinson trade. Though I

1144
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,480
had a three team one, go live on Bleacher Report,

1145
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,320
you go check it out. We won't relay it here

1146
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,960
because I confused the shit out of Grant while he

1147
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,440
was looking at it, So we're not just going to

1148
00:53:58,519 --> 00:53:58,840
voice it.

1149
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,559
Speaker 2: Not hard to do, fairness to you.

1150
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:06,039
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder they received Colin Sexton for Isaiah joe

1151
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,039
Usman Jang and Utah's own pick this year, which is

1152
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:15,000
top ten protected and it's you know, it's not going

1153
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,159
to the Thunder in the first place, but the value

1154
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:21,920
here for Utah is what are the protections after this season?

1155
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,079
I think it goes it's for another year, right, so

1156
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,039
it's it's top ten and then top eight next year

1157
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,280
before it just extinguishes. That's Utah should do this I

1158
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,840
think if I'm okay, see, I'm I might do it

1159
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,920
just because you're not giving I mean, no, I don't

1160
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,960
know if I could do it because Isaiah Joe's really

1161
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,119
their only capslock shooter and that like Goldna fly around

1162
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:52,320
and do stuff away from the ball and get up

1163
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,039
threes in that vein. I think that this is I

1164
00:54:56,119 --> 00:55:00,519
don't know the value here, is right. I just wonder if, like,

1165
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:03,119
if you're getting Collin Sexton, wouldn't it make more sense

1166
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:05,199
to send out Aaron Wiggins or no? Are you thinking

1167
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,840
about defensively? I mean, I'm just.

1168
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,159
Speaker 2: Thinking from the Thunder's perspective. This is a regular season

1169
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:14,800
move to prop up, and Zach notes this to prop

1170
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,079
up the minutes essentially when Shay is off the floor

1171
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:20,440
which have knock gone well. I think the issue you

1172
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:24,840
run into is, well, I mean, maybe you do use

1173
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,639
Sexton for a few minutes a game in the playoffs

1174
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,400
with Jalen Williams when Shay is off the floor, and

1175
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,239
given the level that the Thunder are at and the

1176
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,880
number of postseason rounds they hope to get through, that

1177
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:39,960
might it might be worth it to have the guy

1178
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:42,159
that you If Sexton is that guy and I think

1179
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,199
you'd argue he's gonna he's more likely to be that

1180
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,440
guy to prop up the offense than Joe or Wiggins

1181
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:50,880
or whoever else you might want to send out. I

1182
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,760
still think if you're Utah, you're just like, yes, absolutely.

1183
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:56,639
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1184
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: I kind of I'm the more I kind of mull

1185
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,559
it over. I kind of like it for both. You

1186
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:03,519
could just make the case that the Thunder like it's

1187
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:06,199
just they don't need to do this, But I don't

1188
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:07,760
know it just I guess it just depends on how

1189
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,079
confident you are that they can shrink the rotation enough

1190
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:12,639
in the playoffs to where the non SGA minutes are

1191
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:13,920
basically non existent.

1192
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: There's also value in Sexton comes off the books as

1193
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:21,079
you have new deals, presumably for Chet and JDub kicking in.

1194
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting.

1195
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,039
Speaker 1: I just it would depend on whether the Thunder you

1196
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:29,599
you said it, think that Colin Sexton's playoff viable for them.

1197
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,519
Speaker 2: Because sorry before we go, because for okay, see it's

1198
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:35,320
like just the assets are just you got enough you

1199
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,920
can you can spend them on things like this that

1200
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,599
might seem kind of trivial. It's that they can justify

1201
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:42,599
that if if they think Sexton will help a little bit.

1202
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:46,519
Speaker 1: Would you prefer the Thunder to send out Isaiah Aaron

1203
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,920
Wiggins as opposed to Isaiah Joe in that type of

1204
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:49,480
a deal.

1205
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 2: Or no, God, it just depends on which night you

1206
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,239
catch Wiggins. I feel like I think it's not good.

1207
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,119
Wiggins is real good. I think I think I might

1208
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,800
rather hold on to Joe, which what you said right,

1209
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,239
just because his his as like specialist skill I feel

1210
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,519
like could really matter.

1211
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,519
Speaker 1: The Orlando Magic they received dearon Fox, the Kings received

1212
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:14,639
Jonathan Isaac Anthony Black, a twenty six first round pick

1213
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,960
and a twenty eight first round pick, and then a

1214
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:23,440
twenty thirty second round pick via Milwaukee. I this interesting,

1215
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:26,599
it would be it'd be basically a rebuild for the Kings.

1216
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:29,679
Maybe not if they think Isaac is healthy and you

1217
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,000
still have the bonus and a Rosen and Monk, but

1218
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:36,079
you're still getting two first round picks. Honestly, I wonder

1219
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:38,440
if you would need to include like the less favorable

1220
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,760
of Denver's in Orlando's pick this year, which Orlando owns

1221
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,039
both of them as well, and then I feel like

1222
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,039
it might be a green light for Sacramento and I'd

1223
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:49,440
probably still do it as Orlando.

1224
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: What do you think? I think it's a this might

1225
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,679
be a green light for the Kings as it is.

1226
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,000
The problem is those Orlando picks. It's the same thing

1227
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,960
with the heat issue ago. It's like you almost don't

1228
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,239
want the picks from the team you're sending Fox to

1229
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,320
if you can help it, especially if the team already

1230
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,760
is like, you know, the injuries have changed things this year,

1231
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,760
but it's already like pretty good, and Fox is a

1232
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,159
piece that might really make them a lot better. So

1233
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,159
I do I think you might be right that you

1234
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,800
probably want to ask for hope there's another first thrown in,

1235
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:24,559
even if it's kind of a middling one. But I

1236
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:27,280
I'm kind of into the idea of Isaac and Black

1237
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,039
just fitting in with what the Kings have. I like,

1238
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:34,239
Isaac's a bonus fit is weird, but that like Isaac.

1239
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: Places Isaac backup bonus at that point, he's only going

1240
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,280
to play like twelve or fifteen minutes a game anyway.

1241
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would give the Kings like such different dimensions too,

1242
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,159
because Black really does make more sense if you're holding

1243
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,239
on to Monk, and like, I think he makes plenty

1244
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,960
of sense with Murray DeRozan's a weird fit with kind

1245
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,280
of anybody. But but I I kind of like it

1246
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,159
for the Kings. I'd ask for a little more. But

1247
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,159
if push came to shove, I don't. I don't think

1248
00:58:57,199 --> 00:58:58,440
you turned this down out of hand.

1249
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: No, if you're sending it, he really is just san

1250
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,840
Antonio or Bust basically. But you're getting Anthony Black, two

1251
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,400
first round picks and Jonathan Isaac plus I mean the

1252
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,519
twenty thirty second form Milwaukee. We don't know where they'll be.

1253
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:13,039
I think it's close. I just, man, what would the

1254
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,239
King space. I know Fox isn't the best shooter, but

1255
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,440
he's someone who can shoot. You're going from like that

1256
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:20,719
to Isaac and Black and then you have to rose

1257
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,960
in and Sabonus has shot the three ball really well

1258
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,559
yes year, but not like he's never gonna be high volume.

1259
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: Monk and Murray are doing a lot of spacing lift.

1260
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:32,639
I think in that configure, what about we talk about

1261
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:35,400
Orlando side. Do you do this if you're Orlando, Yeah.

1262
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:35,719
Speaker 1: I would do it.

1263
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:36,599
Speaker 2: I think you do too.

1264
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: And just like I know, Fox isn't the best shooter,

1265
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,920
but thirty seven percent on step back threes this year

1266
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,679
and can organize the offense. And I think his off

1267
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,480
ball opportunities would go up both in quality and volume

1268
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:52,320
with Franz and Paalo there. And this is especially if

1269
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,599
it's this deal. I know you're gonna worry. Oh well,

1270
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,320
Fox needs to get paid, Sugs is getting paid, Wagner's

1271
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,639
getting paid, Palo needs to get paid. You kind of

1272
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:02,440
just have to figure that out as you go. I

1273
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,079
love this deal. I think they're a championship contender after

1274
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:05,519
this trade.

1275
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, they get real interesting. You can

1276
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,559
imagine picking rolls where like you got to have someone

1277
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:12,880
quick on Fox and someone big on Paolo, and you

1278
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,679
get switches there, it's over for either of those guys.

1279
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,039
Speaker 1: What if we talked about wanting Orlando to play faster

1280
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,960
even when they were in the half court, Fox would

1281
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,079
help you be able to do that too?

1282
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,039
Speaker 2: Good one like I like that one.

1283
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,679
Speaker 1: Oh boy, grand how fun.

1284
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,199
Speaker 2: The Philadelphia seventy six ers Dan get Jimmy Butler and

1285
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:32,039
Alec Burks. The Heat get Paul George in a twenty

1286
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,679
twenty six first round pick with top five protection man.

1287
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:42,599
So the Sixers are keeping Butler in this hypothetical, which

1288
01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:48,079
is the homecoming angle is fraught, I guess different.

1289
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:51,519
Speaker 1: So what do we do here? What are you basically

1290
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:54,840
doing because you're planning on re signing Jimmy Butler, right,

1291
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,079
So you're just assuming basically that you would prefer you're

1292
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:00,679
giving up a twenty six first round pick for the

1293
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,760
right to have what Jimmy for one fewer a year

1294
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,599
than Paul George's contract goes out.

1295
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, and you're betting I guess that Butler, in

1296
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,719
addition to that, is just going to be better than

1297
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,159
George because you still very much care about the short

1298
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,800
term as in addition to like the length of contract

1299
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,320
you sign, you've got George InCD two and that you

1300
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,559
would sign Butler to do you think it's do you

1301
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:26,320
think the next forget money, who's the better player over

1302
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,239
Let's just say the next three years between Butler.

1303
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,639
Speaker 1: And George if you want, I think it's Butler.

1304
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:33,679
Speaker 2: I think so too.

1305
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: I just is it worth giving up a twenty I

1306
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,679
would do this as like without the first round may concluded,

1307
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:41,559
I would consider it.

1308
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: The heat. So that's the sixer side of it. I mean,

1309
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:51,360
I if you could just put aside the the personal

1310
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,639
stuff and the fact that Butler's exit from Philly was complicated.

1311
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:58,400
I think I like it just I think it makes

1312
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,920
the Sixers better on the floor, which might be all

1313
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,360
they care about. And you do have downside protection with

1314
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:07,039
the with the top five protection on that twenty six First,

1315
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:10,920
if you're the Heat, are you really I mean they

1316
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,920
said they don't want money that goes into next year.

1317
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,800
You're getting money that goes in, big money that goes

1318
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,719
into next year, and well beyond that. In George, you're

1319
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:22,719
also theoretically getting someone who's health you can't rely on

1320
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,639
as you're trying to hold on to your pick by

1321
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:26,559
making the playoffs.

1322
01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: That's iffy and the other thing just based off stuff

1323
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,400
we've heard about Paul George during his time in LA.

1324
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: He's not a fit for Heat culture doesn't. Yeah, right,

1325
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,639
it doesn't seem like it. That's a great point. I

1326
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,400
like it more for the Sixers. If you could just

1327
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,800
pretend that Butler would be cool staying there.

1328
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,519
Speaker 1: You so you'd be cool giving up that first round pick.

1329
01:02:48,039 --> 01:02:49,639
Speaker 2: I just think having the top I don't know. I'd

1330
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,280
like to know what happens to it if it doesn't convey,

1331
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,400
but like, yeah, you might be given up just so

1332
01:02:56,519 --> 01:02:57,239
you can't count.

1333
01:02:57,079 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: On a beat or Butler really to be healthy. And

1334
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:02,079
then what ty Maxie and Jared McCain are gonna You're

1335
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:02,519
sort of.

1336
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: The Sixers sort of put themselves in the same position

1337
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,599
they are right now, just doing it again, right because

1338
01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:10,119
they've got the top six protected first, going to okay,

1339
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,239
see right now, like can you tank hard enough? Probably not,

1340
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,000
So this is like you might just give up the

1341
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:19,440
number seven pick. They're yeah, I don't know, it's interesting.

1342
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:21,719
It's more interesting than I thought a Butler for George

1343
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:22,239
deal would be.

1344
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,719
Speaker 1: Now, how do they I guess did they own an

1345
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,199
additional Oh yeah, so they own an additional twenty six.

1346
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,679
So that's how they give up their their own twenty six,

1347
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,840
all right, which okay interesting. I don't think I would

1348
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,199
do it for Honestly, I don't think i'd do it

1349
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:38,360
if I'm either team the Heat.

1350
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: That's just it's anesthetical to what they've said they want,

1351
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,559
which is like fairly clean books and the ability to

1352
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:46,840
like hopefully make the playoffs.

1353
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: We have a banger here for Phoenix. The Phoenix Suns

1354
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,719
received Jimmy Butler. The Miami Heat received dearon Fox Kevin

1355
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,079
Herder and a twenty twenty five second round pick from

1356
01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:01,000
Denver or Philadelphia. The Kings receive Bradley Yohaimahawk as a

1357
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:03,559
twenty twenty seven first round pick, a twenty twenty nine

1358
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,559
first round pick for Miami a twenty twenty nine first

1359
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:07,920
round pick. So it's the it's too oh, we already

1360
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,719
did this deal, right, It's the exact same one.

1361
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,599
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see if anything's different. It's the worst

1362
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:16,239
of the twenty seven, the worst of the twenty nine,

1363
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,920
and then the twenty nine for Yeah, I think this

1364
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:19,800
is the same deal.

1365
01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:22,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still what was the Do we feel any

1366
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:23,320
differently about it?

1367
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: Grant? You know, in light of I still like it,

1368
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,920
Kings are still not doing this. I don't think what

1369
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:33,760
is Who do you like?

1370
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,599
Speaker 1: I can't remember what you said. Do you like it better?

1371
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,280
You like it better for Miami than Sacramento though? Correct?

1372
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, my order of preferences. Very much like it for Phoenix,

1373
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,000
kind of okay with it for Miami? Do not like

1374
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:45,800
it for the Kings?

1375
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: Is there anything that could be done for you to

1376
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,199
like like it for the Kings? Like what if the

1377
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,599
Sun's threw in that third first round pick?

1378
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: I mean that and it's got to go to the

1379
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:58,360
Kings because I just the the Beal of it all

1380
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,440
is really tough. Yeah. The only thing, the only thing

1381
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,239
you could do, which basically nukes the deal, is just

1382
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,400
Beal's got to go somewhere else. We need We're gonna

1383
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,760
need a fourth team and then another giant salary so

1384
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:11,440
the Kings aren't stuck with Beal.

1385
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: And then the Kings are gonna get fewer picks as

1386
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,000
part of that, I'm assuming, yeah, which is okay, because

1387
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:17,199
you just can't take Bell on.

1388
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: I just like you a mid, like a play in

1389
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,280
level team that you know, I just you can't. You

1390
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,960
can't do that to yourself if you're the Kings.

1391
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, which means you get to

1392
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,760
take us to the Portland Trailblazers.

1393
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 2: Here we go. The name we haven't seen yet Portland

1394
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,559
is Gang Chris Middleton and a twenty thirty one first

1395
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:39,280
from the Bucks for Jeremy Grant that there's top five

1396
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,519
protection on that twenty thirty one first if you care.

1397
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely not for Milwaukee. I'm sorry. If it was Middleton

1398
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,760
for Jeremy Grant, straight up, it might be more like

1399
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,960
the Blazers. I don't know if they're ready to admit

1400
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:53,480
defeat there. But if you can get either Chris Middleton

1401
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,519
on an expiring or only one year left to get

1402
01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:59,639
out from under Jeremy Grant's money, I'd probably consider it.

1403
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,880
From Milwaukee. I understand Jeremy Grant being more athletic and durable,

1404
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:06,760
better defense defensively at this point, but you were trying

1405
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,840
to get someone else who could and he's done more

1406
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,880
one on one stuff. But we've never really seen it

1407
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,440
have we ever seen it in the playoffs from Grant?

1408
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,039
So no this I mean like no from Milwaukee, even

1409
01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:18,079
if it's straight up with.

1410
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: It, and no from Milwaukee unless you are just you've

1411
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:24,199
gotten information that's like Middleton is never going to be

1412
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:27,679
able to play, you know, real minutes in a playoff series,

1413
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,400
like that's the only reason you even consider this. But

1414
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:33,039
if you know that, I don't think the guy you're

1415
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:35,519
trying to trade him for with your only movable first

1416
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,199
is someone whose contract goes longer and just hasn't and

1417
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,880
seems to be on the decline too. That isn't for Grant.

1418
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,679
If you decide Middleton's time is up.

1419
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,159
Speaker 1: I will say if this offer was ever in front

1420
01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:50,320
of Joe Cronin and he did not accept it, he

1421
01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:53,280
should be banished from the organization immediately.

1422
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:55,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a get out of jail free card

1423
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:55,599
for him.

1424
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,559
Speaker 1: What do we have for the Kings. Let's see, so

1425
01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:00,800
the King's receive Fred van Fleet reached and a twenty

1426
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,800
twenty eight first round pick with top three protection. The

1427
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:08,239
Houston Rockets received de aren't Fox and Kevin Herder. I mean,

1428
01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:12,519
under the circumstances, I'm doing this as the Kings. We

1429
01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:15,800
love Read Shepherd. Yeah, Fred van Fleet keeps you relevant

1430
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,559
right now and you're getting a first and getting off

1431
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:23,119
of the Kevin Herder contract. The Rockets, I think, say no,

1432
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,320
mostly because we know they don't want to make a

1433
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,519
trade right now. Even if this was having this, this

1434
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:32,000
might be a trade that could happen if it's the

1435
01:07:32,119 --> 01:07:34,559
off season and the Rockets, with the number two seed

1436
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:36,639
in the West, get like trucked in the first round

1437
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:37,119
or something.

1438
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, yeah, if it becomes clear, like we've talked

1439
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:41,719
about all year, it's like they got to figure out

1440
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,000
what the actual issues are with this team, like under

1441
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:46,840
high stress, and that could I could see that scenario

1442
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,480
where over the summer, if Fox is still in Sacramento,

1443
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:53,480
you revisit this, but like, you know, for what they need,

1444
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,039
how much better is Fox than VanVleet? Really like he's better?

1445
01:07:57,199 --> 01:07:59,719
But is he better? Is is the gap large enough

1446
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,920
to justify just giving up on Shepherd? Maybe? And that

1447
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,119
twenty eight first, like you're taking Herder's money back too,

1448
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:08,760
he'll be So.

1449
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: We're assuming this is an off season deal, uh one

1450
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:14,920
worst than the Rockets got trucked in the playoffs, right,

1451
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,520
And then we're it's an expiring contract at that point,

1452
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:19,560
So that's not terrible.

1453
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: So so you your first thought was you do that?

1454
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:24,560
You like this for the Kings and not for the Rockets.

1455
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,119
Speaker 1: I think this is a spectacular return for the Kings.

1456
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: At Shepherd, doesn't. It doesn't a lot depend on Shephard

1457
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,439
being something well, but it also I so.

1458
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,319
Speaker 1: In reality, I think it kind of straddles the line

1459
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:40,760
of what Sacramento is going to do, even though we

1460
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,920
think it's wrong. Which has remained competitive after a Fox trade,

1461
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,920
and so you get better, You probably get a little

1462
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,119
bit better defensively going from Fox to van Fleet. And

1463
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,760
then also van Fleet's the better off ball player, I

1464
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,720
would say, And you could rely on Derozen monk Sabonis

1465
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,119
to do a bulk of your creation and then there's

1466
01:08:58,119 --> 01:08:59,960
only a year left. You like, if I'm a king,

1467
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:03,199
I'm probably just guaranteeing that Van Vleet salary next year.

1468
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:06,760
And you get like, you're you're right that a lot

1469
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,399
does depend on Shephard. But our view of Shepherd is

1470
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:10,840
that he might just be that dude.

1471
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, you don't.

1472
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: Like this for Sacramento. That's interesting.

1473
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't love it, Van Fleet. I'm going back and

1474
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:22,600
forth on like you know, I don't. I certainly don't

1475
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,359
think the Kings would would view the ability to just

1476
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,600
let him walk as a positive because of what you said, Like,

1477
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,000
I don't think they're just oh, we got to clean

1478
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:31,840
up the books. That doesn't seem to be what they're

1479
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,319
going to go for. So I think maybe you've got

1480
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:39,479
to look at like, could Van Vliet be flipped? Are

1481
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:44,359
you looking to extend him? He does fit. You can

1482
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,960
make the case he's a better fit than Foxes for

1483
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:48,760
the reasons you said, like the off ball stuff.

1484
01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: I find he's a better fit because the Kings incompetently

1485
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:53,279
built the rock.

1486
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: He's a better fight with a roster that doesn't make

1487
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,920
a lot of sense. Yeah, I guess maybe the rock

1488
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:04,159
are the ones that don't, well they they've advertised they're

1489
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:06,439
gonna be the ones that don't do this for starters.

1490
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:07,520
Maybe that's where we should end it.

1491
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,399
Speaker 1: But I would do it for the Kings, and you're

1492
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,640
you would, I'd.

1493
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,159
Speaker 2: Think about it. It's not a definite for me.

1494
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: Another Fox trade grant.

1495
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. The Spurs get dearon Fox, the

1496
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:22,119
Kings get Chris Paul Jeremy Sohan. Zach Collins deals off

1497
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,000
a twenty twenty five first round pick with top three

1498
01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:30,840
protections from Atlanta, so that's gonna be I mean teens somewhere,

1499
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,399
I guess, And a twenty twenty five first with top

1500
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:39,399
ten protection from the Bulls, which maybe that convey Yeah,

1501
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,479
so you're talking, you're you're most likely getting as the

1502
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,279
Kings Paul Sohan Collins, A couple picks in this draft

1503
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:52,520
that are, you know, somewhere in the teens, maybe early twenties.

1504
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: I guess, Oh, there's a chance. I mean, I guess

1505
01:10:56,079 --> 01:10:58,920
Chicago's pick is top eight protected the next two years.

1506
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:02,359
So would you bet to start there? Do you think

1507
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:04,720
the Chicago pick conveys at some point.

1508
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 2: Uh, top ten, then top eight, top eight, Well that's

1509
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,319
not a given. If the you would assume the Bulls

1510
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,840
won't do this, But if the Bulls just bottom out,

1511
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,479
it could be two more years after this one before

1512
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,560
they're conveying that pick. So maybe I don't know whether

1513
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,920
it's like a coin flip. I would say, right, so,

1514
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,640
there's a chance you walk out of this with only

1515
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,039
one first round pick, and it's in the teens or

1516
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:31,119
the or even the twenties, and so then you're and

1517
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:33,039
you've got Collins. That's a bad deal.

1518
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: Although he's immediately your best backup big, which is again

1519
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:41,880
an indictment of the roster, the best backup center which

1520
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:43,119
sorry Trey Lyles again.

1521
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: Uh, the Spurs, this this would be like an investigated

1522
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,800
by the league. I think if the Spurs fox for

1523
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:51,960
this pack, how.

1524
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: Do Sacramento is? I understand why san Antonio would say no,

1525
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,800
but like Sacramento at least needs to get it swap right.

1526
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, then I still probably wouldn't do it, But

1527
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,560
then then we're talking a little bit at least.

1528
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was interesting, and I think Danny LaRue or

1529
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,760
Nate Duncan brought this up that Sacramento King swap those

1530
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,399
rights have Yes, it could be a nice lottery ticket,

1531
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,119
but it has more value to Sacramento than any other

1532
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:17,920
team in the league.

1533
01:12:18,119 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 2: Of course.

1534
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it could do some lifting in this trade.

1535
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,359
I still don't know if this is enough, but like,

1536
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,039
if Fox only wants to go to San Antonio, Like,

1537
01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:29,279
and if you're Sacramento, do you prefer Chris Paul to

1538
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:29,880
trade Jones?

1539
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,279
Speaker 2: Oh great? I mean, well, if you're trying to win

1540
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:39,239
this year, probably probably, uh, but I think they shouldn't.

1541
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,640
I would just say this is another one where if

1542
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,960
this is the offer for Fox, I'm just saying I

1543
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,039
We're gonna chance it and go into the offseason and

1544
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,479
maybe even next year's deadline if that's what it takes.

1545
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm probably with you. So we're on to Toronto and

1546
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,279
the trade is Toronto gets GP two and Moses Moody

1547
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,399
for Kelly Olynyky mood.

1548
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm not doing this if I'm the Warriors.

1549
01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:08,199
For the reason the reservations I expressed about Alinic helping Dallas,

1550
01:13:08,279 --> 01:13:11,880
I just don't. I don't think Olinic. I mean, like, yeah,

1551
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,640
I guess you could make the case he's gonna how

1552
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,039
much better or more valuable to the Warriors. Is Kelly

1553
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:19,479
Olinic than Quentin Post right now? Like it's he's more valuable.

1554
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,720
I don't know if it's enough to basically give up

1555
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,960
your who might be your best perimeter defender and an

1556
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,399
expiring salary which matters to the Warriors and Moses Moody,

1557
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:31,359
who they still believe in.

1558
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:32,319
Speaker 1: I don't.

1559
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 2: I guess Toronto probably does this because I think.

1560
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why they wouldn't. And even I

1561
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,720
was trying to think like I would prefer Chris Bouchet

1562
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:45,359
in Cold State, but I still I'm not doing that

1563
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,079
as gold. I like, I'm very high on Moses Moody.

1564
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,520
Speaker 2: Though I am I'm not sure where I'm at on

1565
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,600
him anymore. But yeah, I don't think the Warriors do this.

1566
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: You're deplaning all the Warriors. Youngster Odds you've done with

1567
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:58,119
him too.

1568
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 2: He's I'm out even al He's played really well the

1569
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:01,800
last couple of games.

1570
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1571
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 2: The Utah Jazz are you okay? The Jazz are getting

1572
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,039
Kevin Herder Trey Lyles on a twenty eight first from

1573
01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:12,600
the Kings for John Collins. There's lottery protections on that

1574
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:18,399
twenty eight first, I don't, well, it's the Kings. I

1575
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,239
don't think the Kings are giving up a first for John.

1576
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,680
I don't think anyone's giving up a first for John Collins.

1577
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,039
That's that's where i'd start.

1578
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Herder is shooting like Arctic cold, right, so you're

1579
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,359
getting off his money for a player in John Collins, who,

1580
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:38,239
when healthy, has actually played pretty well this year. I

1581
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,359
position eight, No, you can't. Can't be malpractice.

1582
01:14:43,159 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: That's why I hesitated. I was like, well, no one would,

1583
01:14:45,039 --> 01:14:48,279
well maybe they. I don't think you can do this.

1584
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,520
Speaker 1: The Jazz pounce on this though, right, So if they're

1585
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,239
the ones proposing this, that's good. Good job by zb here.

1586
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:56,960
There you go, right, Grant last Water, you're getting emotional again.

1587
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 2: Taking us home. The Washington Wizards get Cam Christy PJ.

1588
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,840
Tucker and a twenty thirty two second rounder, probably our

1589
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,439
first twenty thirty two pick we've talked about, and the

1590
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:12,399
Clippers get Jonas Valannis m Why not if you're the Clippers.

1591
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,119
Speaker 1: Well, can you explain to are you allowed to trade

1592
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:17,520
a twenty thirty two pick? Aren't you only allowed to

1593
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,359
go seven years out?

1594
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:21,239
Speaker 2: Let's say it's on draft night. I don't know.

1595
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not doing this as the Clippers just

1596
01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:27,199
because WATCHI you're out of the tax right after this,

1597
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,119
or no, no, you're not out of the tax. I

1598
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:30,239
need to get out of the tax.

1599
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: Tucker's eleven ish Cam Christie is a minute twelve to

1600
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,159
six and outgoing for the Clippers. Valentunis is nine to nine.

1601
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,520
Speaker 1: So we're talking to you about the tack or No.

1602
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,199
Speaker 2: Two and a half million, that might be a reason

1603
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:42,520
to do it.

1604
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm just gonna assume that this was meant to

1605
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:47,039
be like a twenty thirty one, because don't they have

1606
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:50,800
a twenty thirty second round pick a swap with Utahs?

1607
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,920
It would be the less favorable theirs or Utahs or

1608
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,319
their twenty thirty one second. I wonder why, like twenty

1609
01:15:56,359 --> 01:15:58,640
thirty two feels like a typo. I still don't know,

1610
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:02,159
get you out of the tax. But a twenty thirty

1611
01:16:02,199 --> 01:16:04,680
second round pick for valentchutas just how much is he

1612
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,239
gonna play for you in the playoffs and in general?

1613
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. It's not a change of pace big,

1614
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,720
which is kind of what I would like to see

1615
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,960
the Clippers go after if they're gonna get another front

1616
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,720
courk guy. A lot of this, I think, and Zach

1617
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,640
talks about this. A lot of this would depend on

1618
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,359
the Wizards thinking Cam Christy has something which is early

1619
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,039
enough in his career that like maybe.

1620
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,039
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, I would do if this is the offer

1621
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:33,039
that was in front of me or that they only wanted,

1622
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:35,600
I'd probably do this. I don't like, would you do

1623
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,000
this for Chris Bouche the second Ucker and Christie that's

1624
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:42,479
probably something you consider. I don't Valach, he I mean

1625
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,039
Valentin is though he could like do some stuff offensively

1626
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:48,319
for you when James Harden is off the court. I

1627
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:52,640
don't know, probably I do you which team says yes?

1628
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 2: Well? I think for I would say the I don't know.

1629
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:00,560
I don't know if any.

1630
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:05,279
Speaker 1: That's that's means I think from the Wizard, there's.

1631
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:07,239
Speaker 2: No harm in just holding onto Valentinis and trying this

1632
01:17:07,319 --> 01:17:09,840
again next year if this is the best you can do.

1633
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: Right, Although, to be fair, like Valentino is very clearly

1634
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,640
the best player in this deal, and so maybe the

1635
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,079
Clippers was like, hey, we get more another second round

1636
01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:19,640
pick for him if we need to move them next year.

1637
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean we're getting off of Tucker, who

1638
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,279
makes more than Valannis and will never play for us.

1639
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,039
So yeah, you know what, I think the Clippers are

1640
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:31,079
probably doing this before the Wizards are. How about that.

1641
01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:31,760
That's all.

1642
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,199
Speaker 1: That's all, Land, Let's get to some news and more speculation.

1643
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:37,880
If you bailed out before we went through every one

1644
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,640
of the bleacher port trade ideas from Zach Buckley, you're

1645
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,640
missing out because we're gonna talking Aboutlamelo Bull joining the

1646
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,000
San Antonio Spurs. I don't know why I said bull.

1647
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:47,760
LaMelo Bull sounds like came out.

1648
01:17:48,079 --> 01:17:48,119
Speaker 2: So.

1649
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: Jake Fisher wrote that the Hornets have never welcomed trade

1650
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:57,319
inquiries for their eccentric ball handler, and yet the Spurs,

1651
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,039
sources said, have tried to register their interest in ball

1652
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:05,319
during previous transaction cycles. The fact that it says cycles

1653
01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:08,600
leads me believe that it's a like a plurality thing,

1654
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,199
so that they've multiple times let the Hornets know, like, hey,

1655
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,399
we'll take LaMelo ball. They're also apparently interested in Josh Giddy,

1656
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,800
So I'm questioning a lot about the Spurs. Yeah, at

1657
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,600
the moment, just some notes because this is interesting because

1658
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,159
it's in the backdrop of the Diarron Fox sweepsteaks. But

1659
01:18:23,279 --> 01:18:26,319
Lamel Ball's four years younger than Fox, or about four

1660
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:28,600
years younger, and he has four more team controlled years

1661
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,680
left on his deal, so he's just going to be

1662
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,840
cheaper for longer relative to Fox's next match. How do

1663
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,800
you feel grant about, well, how do you feel about

1664
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,880
the spurs of all teams being the one that's interested

1665
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:41,560
in LaMelo?

1666
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand it, honestly, Like I again, the

1667
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,359
Giddy like there are I think there's a couple of

1668
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:51,439
other players in addition to Giddy that we're mentioned as

1669
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,840
guys they looked at it Fox being won, so it's

1670
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,439
kind of like, well, all right, so they're just kind

1671
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,399
of canvassing things. I don't know how, but cute they're

1672
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:04,920
interest in LaMelo? Is I you're a bigger LaMelo fan

1673
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,319
than I am, Which isn't to say I don't like him.

1674
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,319
I think he's a really interesting player, and he deserves

1675
01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:12,119
the benefit of the doubt because he's been on a

1676
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,159
terrible team for his entire career basically, and the one

1677
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:17,119
year they were okay, it was largely because of him.

1678
01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:21,680
So I think it's really interesting. I think maybe the

1679
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:26,079
threshold question we should ask is does he make more

1680
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:29,840
sense as a Wimbin Yama likes, you know, running mate

1681
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,920
than Dearon Fox does. That's not to say that like

1682
01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:34,800
the Spurs will just get their pick. They might not

1683
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,279
get either of these guys. But but just all things

1684
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:42,199
being equal, do you like LaMelo better in San Antonio

1685
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:42,840
than Fox?

1686
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: I do, because I think that in theory, his game

1687
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,239
is better suited if he's in a different situation to

1688
01:19:52,399 --> 01:19:54,039
playing a I mean, I don't know, like Fox has

1689
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:55,920
done a bunch of stuff with the bonus, but he

1690
01:19:56,039 --> 01:19:59,239
will like he's going to have I would assume more

1691
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:02,720
off ball gravity from the perimeter, which that's very compelling

1692
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,840
when you have Steph Castle and Jeremy Sohan on your team.

1693
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,520
And so if you add Fox to that equation again,

1694
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,840
I actually think that Fox is a better shooter than

1695
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,960
some of his numbers than his surface level numbers indicate.

1696
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,359
But as you said, what I've been most Lamel's efficiency

1697
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:19,880
is all over the place this year, not in a

1698
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,239
good way. As I mentioned to you before we started recording,

1699
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,479
his teammates are in the sixteenth percentile of overall shot making,

1700
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,479
and so just like he doesn't have the talent around

1701
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,560
him to get high quality looks, and if you're worried,

1702
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,199
if you're annoyed by his shot selection, I really do

1703
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:34,359
think if you put him in a different program that

1704
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,720
he would be better. I love the size here from

1705
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,000
him too, and I think what I also like about

1706
01:20:40,039 --> 01:20:44,439
the fit better is contractually like he's on his quote

1707
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,399
unquote fun Max YEP for another few years. But what

1708
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,760
I do think is another way to go about this.

1709
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,640
If you're looking at attainability, Fox wants to go to

1710
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,800
San Antonio the Kings apparently, And this is, by the way,

1711
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,000
this is if they knew it was headed in this direction.

1712
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:03,600
I understand them proactively shopping Fox. They should have done

1713
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,560
it over the offseason, not a week before the trade deadline,

1714
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,199
But can you get Daron Fox for because what does

1715
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:11,840
it take to get Daron Fox versus what does it

1716
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,560
take to get LaMelo who? As the reporting goes like,

1717
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,079
if you want him, you're either waiting for him to

1718
01:21:18,119 --> 01:21:19,840
get to a point where he maybe only has a

1719
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,800
year left on his contract, yeah, or you're you're creating

1720
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,239
your own market to get him.

1721
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,079
Speaker 2: So I think let's just talk about that before we

1722
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,520
get into the finances. I think that does really matter

1723
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:35,680
or to some extent, I think LaMelo just objectively a

1724
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,560
way better passer than Fox A way bet I'll just say,

1725
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,439
a way better shooter. Like just the volume is one.

1726
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,319
You know, he's guarded differently than Fox is guarded. I

1727
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:48,079
think I think you're totally right that if he's playing

1728
01:21:48,119 --> 01:21:50,760
with better teammates, he's going to get better looks. He's

1729
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,000
shooting forty percent had to look it up, forty percent

1730
01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:56,079
on wide open threes this year, so like he's under

1731
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:58,640
thirty four percent overall. A lot of that's because he's

1732
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,279
under thirty percent on tight covered Just I believe in

1733
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,399
LaMelo as a high volume three point shooter that defenses

1734
01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:09,079
are afraid of. I don't think Fox has maybe once

1735
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,840
in his career has like approached that level, but never

1736
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,680
with the volume that LaMelo has. Right, defensively, Fox is better.

1737
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,560
We don't really know what LaMelo might do on defense

1738
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,520
on a real team. And also, if that's your hang up,

1739
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,279
you have Victor Wimbenyama on this team, so defense is solved,

1740
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,800
Like you can accommodate someone like Ball if he never

1741
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,600
gets any better defensively.

1742
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:33,159
Speaker 1: Especially if I'm assuming, I mean maybe not, if you

1743
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:35,600
still you're probably gonna have one of Steph Castle and

1744
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:36,840
Jeremy Sohan left.

1745
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, And it's just it makes it if you're

1746
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,960
one in your five, which LaMelo and Wemby would be,

1747
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,359
are both really dangerous high volume shooters you can accommodate

1748
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,680
like all kinds of player types and all kinds of

1749
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,000
limitations and the other three spots on the floor. So

1750
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,560
there's all that. The youth is a real factor because Fox,

1751
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,800
you could argue, is like, I mean, Fox is not

1752
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,520
going to age great because he depends, especially if he's

1753
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:04,119
not gonna shoot it well, he's already maybe starting the downside,

1754
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:05,680
or like he's right at the top. I don't think

1755
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,239
Fox is getting better as he loses athleticism. LaMelo is

1756
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,800
right there in the age band you want with Wemby.

1757
01:23:12,279 --> 01:23:14,479
So maybe then the questions you alluded to is like,

1758
01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:19,279
are you, as san Antonio, willing to give up four

1759
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:24,560
five firsts for LaMelo? I think the answer might need

1760
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,479
to be yes, because you've got a bunch of extra picks,

1761
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,479
and your own picks are not going to be very good,

1762
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,439
and so you can afford to throw those in a

1763
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,439
package too. So I'm looking for reasons that like you'd

1764
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,119
even consider Fox over LaMelo if you had the choice

1765
01:23:38,119 --> 01:23:39,159
as the Spurs.

1766
01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: I think just attainability, right, because you know Fox wants

1767
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,479
to go there and you know he's available, whereas with

1768
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,800
LaMelo and the number of picks you have to give

1769
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,199
up is only going to mushroom if you're not willing

1770
01:23:50,279 --> 01:23:53,960
to include a Steph Castle or I would include Jeremy Soam,

1771
01:23:54,039 --> 01:23:56,039
but I don't know they have t Jon Salon and

1772
01:23:56,119 --> 01:23:58,119
Miles Bridges there don't and Brandon Miller, I don't know

1773
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,760
what value they're going to ascribe to him. Would you

1774
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:01,920
give up Devin Vassell?

1775
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,039
Speaker 2: I give up Castle? I mean like I like Castle

1776
01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:08,880
a lot. I just think if it's like Castle in

1777
01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:12,640
four firsts cool if you If it's not Castle, I

1778
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,960
do five. If it's Vassell, I don't know what the

1779
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:19,000
I mean, does New Orleans? I mean, does New Orleans?

1780
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:23,920
Different city? Now? Do the Hornets Charlotte want Vassell? Like

1781
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:26,600
in their current state? I guess like his contract's okay,

1782
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,079
it's fine. I don't know. I guess he's all right.

1783
01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:31,720
If Miller's your three.

1784
01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:34,399
Speaker 1: Maybe pivoting, Maybe you don't. I think you would prefer

1785
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,560
sohnd Or you would prefer Castle for sure, I would.

1786
01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:42,119
I think the question would be, would you rather give

1787
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:45,479
up Castle or include more first round picks as part

1788
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:46,279
of a Lamello deal?

1789
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if I think my first reaction

1790
01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:53,680
would be as the Spurs, I've got enough extra picks

1791
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,720
to do that. The other thing, too, is like it

1792
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,760
would get complicated in if it's Fox and you've you've

1793
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,680
got to give him that third contract, it's gonna make

1794
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,560
it a lot harder to get a third star once

1795
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,039
you have to super Max Wemby LaMelo. Being on the

1796
01:25:09,079 --> 01:25:12,880
fun Max makes getting that third guy quite a bit easier.

1797
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:13,600
I would say.

1798
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Eventually, maybe not if you give up five first round picks,

1799
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,000
like you're telling them, but you.

1800
01:25:17,119 --> 01:25:19,199
Speaker 2: Still but you still got plenty. I mean, you still

1801
01:25:19,239 --> 01:25:20,960
got I don't know, well.

1802
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,119
Speaker 1: I mean, so their extra picks are the Chicago pick

1803
01:25:24,399 --> 01:25:26,119
this year, which is top ten, and then it's top

1804
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:27,079
eight for two more years.

1805
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

1806
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,079
Speaker 1: They have the Minnesota pick, and but one of them

1807
01:25:32,119 --> 01:25:34,439
is a swap. They have a Minnesota outright pick, and

1808
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,720
they have two Atlanta first round picks outright plus a

1809
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,239
swap with Atlanta, so they have that plus all their

1810
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:42,960
own first round picks so even if you didn't deal,

1811
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:45,640
I guess you have to find the right balance then

1812
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,840
between keeping those other picks and like including your own,

1813
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,680
but like it because your own picks aren't going to

1814
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,880
be super valuable. But I think they have the benefit

1815
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,520
of if they included like the more favorable or if

1816
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,600
they included both of their twenty twenty five picks like

1817
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:05,119
Chicago's and their own. Even if you're getting LaMelo this season, like,

1818
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,600
there's still some real value to yours, because you might

1819
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,359
just be so one LaMelo's injured recording this ye, which

1820
01:26:11,399 --> 01:26:12,960
would be another thing that we could talk about, the

1821
01:26:13,039 --> 01:26:16,039
injury risk with him. So if you if it was

1822
01:26:16,119 --> 01:26:20,840
something like both the twenty five first and then one

1823
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,840
of the Atlanta picks and then one more of your

1824
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,960
own pick, then you fill out the salary from there

1825
01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:29,560
and then you think what you need. Sohan or it'd

1826
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,640
have to be Castle, I might consider doing that. I

1827
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,520
know Spurs fans are really high on Steph Castle. LaMelo

1828
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,119
can drive your entire offense and we have not seen

1829
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,079
I just Steph Castle is not supposed to be that player.

1830
01:26:41,119 --> 01:26:42,840
So if we get into saying he's not going to

1831
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,680
be that player, it's kind of operating under the assumption

1832
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,319
that he was ever supposed to be and I just

1833
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,039
never even him coming out of college. That's not something

1834
01:26:50,119 --> 01:26:52,960
I considered part not just a part of his game,

1835
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,760
but even part of his eventual growth.

1836
01:26:55,119 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love a lot of things about I love

1837
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:02,079
almost everything about Castle, and I do think his fit

1838
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:06,840
next to Lamellow is really interesting. I would still say though, that, like,

1839
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:09,720
if you're making this trade and you have Wemban Yama,

1840
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,760
so your intentions are to be a contender, you know,

1841
01:27:13,159 --> 01:27:16,079
sooner than later. I don't know if Castle. If I

1842
01:27:16,079 --> 01:27:17,880
don't know if Castle's ever going to be able to shoot.

1843
01:27:18,119 --> 01:27:20,199
I'm not confident at all that he's going to be

1844
01:27:20,319 --> 01:27:23,520
like a shooter that defenses care about anytime in the

1845
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,760
next like two or three years, which is kind of

1846
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,279
when your window is starting. Really, if you're the Spurs,

1847
01:27:28,319 --> 01:27:30,159
I don't know why you're like pushing it out any

1848
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:33,439
farther than that, especially because once you have to pay Wemby,

1849
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,600
like you need to kind of go for it sooner

1850
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,000
because you've got Wemby on the rookie scale deal and

1851
01:27:39,079 --> 01:27:41,359
that allows you to really go for one or two

1852
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:44,640
other like real guys. So you could just make the

1853
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,920
case that Castle might have a high, super high ceiling,

1854
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,520
but it's just not going to reach it in time.

1855
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,800
I don't know, just just trying to justify like San

1856
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,640
Antonio trading a player I really really like. Overall, I think.

1857
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 1: You would have to be something like if it's Steph

1858
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:05,399
cass and three first versus not Steph Castle in five first.

1859
01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:08,800
That's probably where I'm sort of like, I'd probably rather

1860
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,119
give up Steph Castle. Yeah, and then I think some

1861
01:28:11,119 --> 01:28:12,960
people will say, like would you watch should be giving

1862
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,600
a five first round picks for anyone? As you said,

1863
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,279
the Spurs have extras, and they could also game it

1864
01:28:16,359 --> 01:28:18,600
to where if they're keeping their own picks in the

1865
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,399
years that they owly swaps in twenty thirty and twenty

1866
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,239
eight with Boston, is the twenty eight one twenty thirties Minnesota,

1867
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,279
that's actually like that's valuable for them because it's okay,

1868
01:28:27,319 --> 01:28:30,279
like we have those sort of lottery tickets. Yeah, coming

1869
01:28:30,319 --> 01:28:32,800
down the pipeline. I don't know what the number of

1870
01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:35,239
I love the LaMelo fit in San Antonio, and I'm

1871
01:28:35,359 --> 01:28:38,359
higher on it than Fox. I just don't know, like

1872
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,319
both of us have kind of heads, like what is

1873
01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:42,920
your right now, your max offer, that you like, your

1874
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,039
best offer, that you'd be willing to give up for him?

1875
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,079
Speaker 2: Well, and I think I've I'm more fixated now. On

1876
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:50,560
the other side of it is like, what's Charlotte willing

1877
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,119
to consider? Because if you have four first round.

1878
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 1: Picks on the table, you have to LaMelo has missed

1879
01:28:57,359 --> 01:28:58,000
so much.

1880
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:03,079
Speaker 2: Time, that's true, And it's so hard because like that

1881
01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:06,680
that complicates everything to just it's it's ankle stuff. Like

1882
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,840
we saw Steph Curry get past that. Maybe LaMelo will,

1883
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,960
maybe he won't. I just think if I'm Charlotte, even

1884
01:29:15,039 --> 01:29:18,000
with the injury stuff, that makes me concerned. I still

1885
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,520
like which of the picks coming from San Antonio is

1886
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,199
like the highest upside, you know, like what which which

1887
01:29:25,239 --> 01:29:28,079
of those could be a top five pick? If any?

1888
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,039
Is it like the minute the distant one from Minnesota?

1889
01:29:31,159 --> 01:29:35,319
Speaker 1: Maybe or maybe maybe like the if you're giving up

1890
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:37,640
twenty twenty six, like the Atlanta swap or that twenty

1891
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:38,760
twenty seven Atlanta pick.

1892
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I still think those are likely to be

1893
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,600
in like the middle of the first round based on

1894
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:49,520
what Atlanta has right now. Yeah, that's that's I guess

1895
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,960
that's part of the reason. I'm just like thinking it's

1896
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,880
gonna take a lot of volume, pickwise, because I don't

1897
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,600
think Charlotte can look at what might be available from

1898
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,560
the Spurs and say there's even one like, oh, yeah,

1899
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:02,439
that's a choice.

1900
01:30:03,319 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: That's why you might need to include Steph Castle though, Yeah, right,

1901
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,079
exactly what is because I don't know that people consider

1902
01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:12,319
Jeremy Someonan has carved out a role in San Antonio,

1903
01:30:12,399 --> 01:30:15,439
but he's like a very specific player. Yeah, and I

1904
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,279
don't know that he's gonna be viewed, especially now that

1905
01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:18,880
he's getting so close to his next deal as a

1906
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,399
blue chip asset. Steph Castle will.

1907
01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:23,520
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, I think that's right. So I think the

1908
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,439
more we talk about it, I think Castle probably has

1909
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:26,039
to be in the deal.

1910
01:30:26,079 --> 01:30:29,520
Speaker 1: If I'm Charlotte, it's probably like Castle plus three to

1911
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,520
four first round picks and then maybe you can get

1912
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,199
not maybe, but like you try to get Charlotte to

1913
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:35,960
take back Zach Collins his money as part of the

1914
01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:36,560
deal as well.

1915
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if I'm the Spurs, I'm doing that. I

1916
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:39,560
think it's worth it.

1917
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: The My actual biggest cause for pause would be the

1918
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,640
metal health stuff like you need, because that's a lot

1919
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,720
of time missed. And I know there are some people

1920
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,119
that believe, like, well, how long is Wemby's primed? He

1921
01:30:52,199 --> 01:30:54,159
takes excellent care of his body when it comes to rest,

1922
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:57,600
but he's just built. Yea such a physical anomaly that

1923
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,760
you do wonder, Okay, is there what's the risk of

1924
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,239
time him to someone who we know is not durable.

1925
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're screwed either way. I guess it's

1926
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,800
like if Wemby, if Wemby doesn't stay healthy, then it

1927
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:08,760
doesn't matter what you do.

1928
01:31:09,039 --> 01:31:11,279
Speaker 1: Like just so don't think it knows terms, but that

1929
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,199
the mellow of it all doesn't scare you at all.

1930
01:31:13,319 --> 01:31:15,359
Speaker 2: Oh it would. It would scare me, I guess because

1931
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:18,199
it's not like it would be different if it's like

1932
01:31:18,279 --> 01:31:21,319
always coming off his his second meniscus trim or like

1933
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,479
his he's got an acl or an achilles. It's like, yeah,

1934
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,840
ankles are he's missed a ton of time, and so

1935
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,720
it's I don't want to trivialize it, but it's like

1936
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,720
I don't know how many guys have had their careers

1937
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:39,359
derailed by like persistent ankle sprains, Like you know, it's

1938
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,439
it's more like we worry about it and then they

1939
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,119
go away. I don't know. I'm sure there are examples

1940
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:46,840
that will prove me wrong, but it's the nature of

1941
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,279
his injuries make me less concerned than then like ah,

1942
01:31:50,359 --> 01:31:52,760
he's got this back thing that flares up all the time,

1943
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,239
or he's like it's zion where it's like a hamstring

1944
01:31:55,359 --> 01:31:58,479
every other month, like that kind of thing. I'm less

1945
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,880
worried about it than I would be some other injuries,

1946
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:02,920
but I do it's got to be a consideration. Like

1947
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,439
I think if you don't as the spurs, if you

1948
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:09,239
hesitate or you just say we're actually not interested, it's

1949
01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:11,960
probably it's more likely to be because you're worried about

1950
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,680
the injuries than the than the culture fit or the

1951
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,079
like how serious is he? I think I think that

1952
01:32:18,279 --> 01:32:20,960
stuff if you believe in your culture and you think

1953
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,239
Wemby is like the tone setter he appears to be,

1954
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,560
I don't think that should hang you up so much

1955
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,640
as the injury stuff, which again I could get.

1956
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 1: Over if I'm the spurs and he's he's only had

1957
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,960
it needed to have one, only he's only need to

1958
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,079
have ankle surgery once. Right, So it's also kind of like,

1959
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,000
are there some of these instances where he might have

1960
01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:41,319
played more if the Hornets were better.

1961
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure the Hornets aren't like

1962
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:48,239
rushing him out there to get back just because usually

1963
01:32:48,319 --> 01:32:50,159
the season's off the rails fairly quickly.

1964
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 1: So we like LaMelo better than Fox. But one of

1965
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,680
them's available, the other one apparently isn't. But I think

1966
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,239
the Spurs have enough assets to maybe change that for surely,

1967
01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:02,960
and they should try. This next piece of news is interesting.

1968
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,439
So Sean Shrania, as we're recording, reported that the favorite

1969
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,399
still on Jimmy Butler as of now, or Phoenix or

1970
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:12,359
Golden State Memphis is also kind of lurking per Mark Stein.

1971
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,159
But Mark Don and Jake Fisher also report Grant that

1972
01:33:15,359 --> 01:33:19,399
the Pelicans would build a package around Brandon Ingram to

1973
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,640
get him. We're gonna get into a potential package what

1974
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,720
it would look like. There's some complexity here. New Orleans

1975
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:26,359
still isn't going to pay the tax this season if

1976
01:33:26,399 --> 01:33:29,520
they get Jimmy Butler, so they would have to send

1977
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,000
out probably like I don't know, fifty one million or

1978
01:33:33,039 --> 01:33:35,399
a little bit more to duck the tax. They're also

1979
01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:39,119
profiles like thirty thirty one million under the tax next

1980
01:33:39,159 --> 01:33:42,800
season without like a Brandon Ingram or Jimmy Butler salary

1981
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,479
or their own first round pick. So you have to

1982
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:46,920
kind of like, well, what are they doing with their

1983
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:52,119
books moving forward? Is this? I guess, can you explain

1984
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:54,000
the interest in Jimmy Butler to me if you're in

1985
01:33:54,079 --> 01:33:54,640
New Orleans?

1986
01:33:56,199 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 2: I bumped on that in a big way when I

1987
01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:01,520
read that. It's it's really hard to justify. I think

1988
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,800
it can only be as part of a deal in

1989
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,199
which you are getting off other salaries you don't want

1990
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:12,039
in addition to just kind of solving the Ingram conundrum,

1991
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:16,920
and you're also like you're duck in the tax this year,

1992
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:20,479
if that's a priority. Even in those circumstances, I think

1993
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,880
any deal you put together is like the cell is

1994
01:34:23,039 --> 01:34:26,800
pretty hard for New Orleans, or harder for than it

1995
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,880
would be for the other teams we would talk about

1996
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,560
in a hypothetical right because just like you want Butler,

1997
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:37,199
why like you're this year is a lost cause, zero

1998
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,960
value this year other than if you get out of

1999
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,800
the tax, and then what do you want to happen

2000
01:34:43,039 --> 01:34:44,880
over the summer? Like do you want him on the

2001
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,479
books for fifty do you want to see him walk

2002
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,560
for nothing. It might be that I don't know, is

2003
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,079
it I just that.

2004
01:34:51,159 --> 01:34:53,319
Speaker 1: Player option is so high. It's not even a situation

2005
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,119
because we talked about this before we were recording, and

2006
01:34:56,399 --> 01:34:58,239
I stopped us because we should talk about it here.

2007
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,319
Are you just kind of a su doing that? The

2008
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:05,079
market might beat him into James Harden type submission where

2009
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:07,279
Harden didn't get anywhere near He got two years and

2010
01:35:07,359 --> 01:35:10,720
seventy this past summer from the Clippers, and so Jimmy

2011
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,119
Butler at two years and seventy if that's like the deal,

2012
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,359
even if it's a one plus one is more palatable.

2013
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,000
But at that point you're like, well, he's guaranteed fifty

2014
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,199
two point four million if he picks up his player options.

2015
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:23,560
He's really tacking on in extra year just for the

2016
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,479
right to make sub eighteen million. So you have to

2017
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,680
imagine he's gonna get at or near his max in

2018
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,359
the next contract. And Okay, maybe this makes it this

2019
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:34,960
the first of time. This doesn't make it easier to

2020
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,159
reduct attacks this season. You almost need to trade CG.

2021
01:35:37,279 --> 01:35:40,359
McCollum if you're gonna make this trade. So I don't

2022
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,399
like I'd be just interested to watch Jimmy Butler and

2023
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:47,720
Dejontay Murray and trade like Trey Murphy and then Zion

2024
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,920
Williamson together just and Herb Jones, just to see what

2025
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,760
would happen. Yeah, I don't know that I understand the

2026
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:55,199
logic fully from New Orleans' perspective well.

2027
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:58,560
Speaker 2: And the key distinction between the recent Hardened situation and

2028
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,680
the potential for coming Butler one is that Harden got

2029
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:03,399
that deal from a team he wanted to be on,

2030
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:07,199
and there's no indication that Butler has any interest in Like,

2031
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:09,800
if you're the New Orleans you've gotta you've got to

2032
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,960
recognize the downside of this is like you just get

2033
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,199
a guy that's not going to report and or reports

2034
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:16,600
and is like disruptive again and you just in addition

2035
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,079
to being terrible and expensive, you have a headache too,

2036
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,680
Like that's I mean, having dealt with Zion all the

2037
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,239
Zion stuff, Like do you really want to onboard another

2038
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:27,520
like even if it's for a short amount of time

2039
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,319
or even if he's away from the team, It's just like,

2040
01:36:30,079 --> 01:36:31,760
I don't know, you really got to sell me on

2041
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:35,439
New Orleans side of this, because you get it from everybody,

2042
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:39,520
every other perspective. It's totally logical what we'll talk about here.

2043
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 1: If if Jimmy says he wants to be a New Orleans,

2044
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:44,920
does that make yes?

2045
01:36:45,159 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 2: That would that would well and I believe and I

2046
01:36:48,039 --> 01:36:51,960
believe him in this in this scenario. Yeah, that makes

2047
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:56,199
a difference. It's still is it's still like, I guess

2048
01:36:56,239 --> 01:36:59,239
what you do as New Orleans to justify this if

2049
01:36:59,279 --> 01:37:02,199
he wants to be there is say like we could

2050
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:05,399
be pretty interesting with like Jimmy and the fits weird,

2051
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,960
but it's weird with Zion no matter what, with Jimmy

2052
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,159
and Zion and Trey Murphy and Herb Jones and whatever.

2053
01:37:12,279 --> 01:37:15,960
Like you know that if everybody's healthy, big big surprise,

2054
01:37:16,039 --> 01:37:16,560
we have to use that.

2055
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,640
Speaker 1: We have your defense healthy, Jimmy, Herb.

2056
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 2: It just yeah, it's just it was you bumped on

2057
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,640
it right when when New Orleans gets thrown out there

2058
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,000
as a Butler destination like that was wild to me.

2059
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: But we did endeavor to see what a trade would

2060
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,920
look like. I'm assuming you would involve like nine teams,

2061
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:38,359
but we concocted this three team scenario. It is on

2062
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,159
the screen, Grant, how about you walk us through it all?

2063
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:45,039
Speaker 2: Right? So we've looped in the Detroit Pistons because you

2064
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:49,279
got it, and they are getting from the Pelicans. I'll

2065
01:37:49,319 --> 01:37:51,079
just I'll just go through all the assets that Detroit

2066
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:54,600
is getting here, ce j McCollum, Jordan Hawkins, the Lakers

2067
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,960
twenty six second, which comes via Miami, A twenty thirty second,

2068
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,520
which is the least favorable of Orlando or the Pelicans.

2069
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,119
That's coming from Pelicans a twenty thirty one second, the

2070
01:38:03,279 --> 01:38:07,079
more favorable of Miami's or Indiana's. So basically McCollum Hawkins

2071
01:38:07,159 --> 01:38:10,560
in a bunch of seconds, Miami's getting Ingram and Jeremiah

2072
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,600
Robinson Earl. You could swap out a couple of other

2073
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:16,239
guys from New Orleans if you wanted to. Javonte Green,

2074
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,000
I forget who Daniel Tice could be in there. And

2075
01:38:19,159 --> 01:38:22,279
the Pelicans are getting Jimmy Butler, Simoni Fontechio and Tim

2076
01:38:22,319 --> 01:38:24,520
Hardaway Junior. Not the only way we can do this.

2077
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,560
We can maybe talk about the alternatives, but that's basically it.

2078
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,359
So Pistons, McCollum, Hawkins, Miami's getting Ingram and Filler. New

2079
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:36,359
Orleans gets Butler, Fontechio and Hardaway. So can you let's

2080
01:38:36,359 --> 01:38:38,720
walk it through one at a time and give the like,

2081
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,399
why is this team doing this? So start with Detroit.

2082
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,039
What's the justification for Detroit?

2083
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:48,119
Speaker 1: They need a new another ball handler alongside Kid, especially

2084
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:51,079
with Jade and Ivy being out and McCollum can space

2085
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,720
even when he doesn't have the ball. His contract's not

2086
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,720
good but only runs for one more year. Having him

2087
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,680
and Tobias Harris on the book seems prohibitive, but again,

2088
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,720
they both come off the books after next season. So

2089
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:05,520
unless you have big plans for offseason flexibility this year,

2090
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,079
I don't think it kneecaps you. And like, Jordan Hawkins

2091
01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:11,079
is a very interesting as a shooter, as someone who's

2092
01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:13,039
like even shown a little bit of on ball chops.

2093
01:39:13,039 --> 01:39:16,399
He's gonna give you nothing defensively, so that's something to consider.

2094
01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:21,199
You're basically getting three seconds and Jordan Hawkins to take

2095
01:39:21,279 --> 01:39:24,720
on a year and a half of McCollum, which eats

2096
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,840
up your the remainder of your cap space this year.

2097
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 2: But you can help you like he can help he actually,

2098
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:34,239
like you know, the contract's not great, but he is

2099
01:39:34,279 --> 01:39:36,439
another ball handler. If you're you're not gonna have Jade

2100
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,760
and Ivy and he can shoot it like that. Those

2101
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,399
are kind of the prerequisites to playing with Kate Cunningham,

2102
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:42,600
right right.

2103
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 1: I wonder if for them, are they the team as

2104
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,960
we're like going before we go, they're the team I'm

2105
01:39:48,039 --> 01:39:50,560
most uneasy about with this because McCollum makes sense, but

2106
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,399
you're also sending out Tim Hardaway Junior has been good

2107
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,960
for you, but he's expiring. And then Simoni Fontekio not

2108
01:39:56,079 --> 01:39:57,960
having his best year. But just like as a shooter

2109
01:39:58,119 --> 01:40:01,920
with size, who's not gonna summer and your defense, I like,

2110
01:40:02,279 --> 01:40:04,439
so they're not. It'd be different if it was just, oh,

2111
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:06,680
we're getting this to take on McCollum, but it's also

2112
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,439
to take on McCollum, and we're sending out fon Techio

2113
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:10,039
and THHG.

2114
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't decide if I have more reservations for

2115
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:17,279
Detroit or New Orleans here because.

2116
01:40:17,119 --> 01:40:20,279
Speaker 1: We talked about the Butler side of it, So with

2117
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,199
Miami at this point, if the didn't weren't you telling

2118
01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:25,239
me that you were listening to why don't you relay

2119
01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:26,680
that about the Jimmy Butler trade value?

2120
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 2: Just like plummeting, Well, it's just like, you know, I

2121
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,800
can't remember what I said five minutes.

2122
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 1: Ago that you were listening to Warriors plus minus and

2123
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:37,640
that people around the league are reported that. I was, like,

2124
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,399
are shocked at how low the Jimmy bumble.

2125
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotten to the point where it's like you

2126
01:40:41,239 --> 01:40:43,600
might not be first that Miami might just be cool with,

2127
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:46,159
Like does the money come off the books? Yes, you know,

2128
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,479
it might get to that point. So that's the thinking here, right,

2129
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:54,159
is that Ingram may just come off the books and

2130
01:40:54,279 --> 01:40:56,960
you don't care about Robinson Earl or whoever. It winds

2131
01:40:57,039 --> 01:41:02,159
up being as additional filler. But like Ingram is someone

2132
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,520
that I just I can see it. I can see

2133
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,359
the heat, like turning Ingram into the best version of himself.

2134
01:41:07,399 --> 01:41:09,039
I don't know if that's an outdated way to think

2135
01:41:09,039 --> 01:41:12,279
about Miami. I still it's I just think that's a possibility,

2136
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,399
and he either comes off the books or you probably

2137
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:15,920
bring him back at a number that you're happy with,

2138
01:41:16,079 --> 01:41:17,840
and Miami kind of gets a win win there because

2139
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,880
you don't have the butler opt in hovering over your head.

2140
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think with Miami at the point it's at

2141
01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:27,199
this is a good like a really good deal.

2142
01:41:27,359 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 2: It's a win. Yeah, I agree.

2143
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: Look, it's costing you seconds, but pat Riley and Andy

2144
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,520
Elsberg have never treated seconds like they matter anyway. So

2145
01:41:35,239 --> 01:41:38,600
I actually like it for the Pelicans because you're surrounding

2146
01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:42,239
questionable fits with shooting. And the other thing is because

2147
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:45,560
you're getting off McCollum's money, you now have a bunch

2148
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,640
of room under the tax where it's like it's still

2149
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,800
gonna be tight. But I think you go from having

2150
01:41:50,319 --> 01:41:52,520
what do we have like thirty million that was with

2151
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,319
McCollum and Hawkins on the books, and now that's going

2152
01:41:55,399 --> 01:41:57,880
to go to like sixty plus, so you factor in uh,

2153
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,279
Simony Fon Tachio, that's six. Let's say you're sixty million

2154
01:42:00,319 --> 01:42:03,279
below the tax, you hit Jimmy's max in below the tax,

2155
01:42:03,319 --> 01:42:06,039
and that it's okay, like where's our first round pickland

2156
01:42:06,039 --> 01:42:07,880
and what are we doing from there? So it'd still

2157
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:09,399
be tight, but at least doa ball.

2158
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Do you want to talk about the other

2159
01:42:12,319 --> 01:42:14,640
like possible configuration of this deal?

2160
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:19,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's basically like you would trade CJ. McCollum

2161
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,560
to Detroit and Detroit instead of sending Tim Hardaway Junior

2162
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,760
and Simoni von Zechio sends you to Bias Harris, which

2163
01:42:26,119 --> 01:42:28,479
I don't think Detroit in that I know CG. McColl

2164
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:30,960
makes more, he's the better fit. I don't think they

2165
01:42:31,039 --> 01:42:33,600
need additional compensation if they're getting off of Obias Harris.

2166
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:36,119
Speaker 2: Yes. And then if you're New Orleans, it's kind of like,

2167
01:42:36,319 --> 01:42:39,159
I'm not sure how we feel about uh. Like the

2168
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:41,920
part of the appeal for New Orleans is fontechio is

2169
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:44,479
like cost controlled in Hardaway's coming off the book like

2170
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,439
it just it just feels cleaner. Yeah.

2171
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 1: And the other thing, now, your books get okay, you

2172
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,479
saved a little bit of money next year off next

2173
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,039
year's books, but it doesn't matter when you're factoring in

2174
01:42:54,119 --> 01:42:56,159
Jimmy butler salary. So how are you ducking the tax

2175
01:42:56,199 --> 01:43:00,359
while paying Trey Murphy, de Jontay Murray, Zion Williamson, Butler

2176
01:43:00,399 --> 01:43:03,119
and Tobias Harris next year? That's gonna take. When this

2177
01:43:03,239 --> 01:43:05,920
says nothing of Herb Jones, his money is just not

2178
01:43:06,039 --> 01:43:08,399
that large. That's where it gets tough. I think if

2179
01:43:08,399 --> 01:43:10,359
you're the Pelicans and that's the end result of this,

2180
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:12,840
you need to hope that you want you need other

2181
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,359
moves lined up to duck the tax this year and

2182
01:43:15,399 --> 01:43:17,560
then you're probably gonna end up making more moves in

2183
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,680
advance of next season. I personally, if the Pelicans are

2184
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:24,039
actually interested in this, this structure, for me feels more

2185
01:43:24,079 --> 01:43:26,880
sensible for them. But if Detroit says, hey, like no,

2186
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,359
we're gonna need a first round pick to do this,

2187
01:43:30,199 --> 01:43:32,079
it kind of falls apart because New Orleans has no

2188
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:34,800
business trading their first round picks in any of the

2189
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:35,520
coming years.

2190
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:39,199
Speaker 2: Right, especially with Butler being just it's a it's a

2191
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,119
it's a fraud kind of acquisition for a lot of reasons.

2192
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:46,319
Next on the agenda, Grant read into us, this was

2193
01:43:46,399 --> 01:43:47,600
the thing you were gonna shock me with.

2194
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:50,720
Speaker 1: D'aron Fox to the Warriors. I was asked to come

2195
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,279
up with a trade on the Real GM podcast the

2196
01:43:53,359 --> 01:43:55,960
other day. That was I can't remember which bucketed in

2197
01:43:56,279 --> 01:43:59,159
bucket it was. It was like in tears, and it

2198
01:43:59,279 --> 01:44:01,720
needed to be something that would surprise you. So I

2199
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,600
try to find a dearon Foxhuter that will come out

2200
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:07,079
of nowhere. So the deal I'm proposing to you is

2201
01:44:07,159 --> 01:44:10,359
the Detroit Pistates. There they are again. They get Dennis

2202
01:44:10,359 --> 01:44:14,039
Shrewder and a second round pick that's top thirty seven

2203
01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:17,279
protected it's this year comes via Miami, but from Golden

2204
01:44:17,319 --> 01:44:20,359
State or from Miami via Golden State. The Warriors get

2205
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:25,079
Diaron Fox, Keon Ellis and Alex Lynn. The Sacramento Kings

2206
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:30,119
get Andrew Wiggins, Brandon Pajemski, Kevon Looney, Golden State's twenty

2207
01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:33,960
twenty five first, Golden State's twenty twenty seven first, the

2208
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:37,399
right to swap with Golden State in twenty twenty eight,

2209
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:42,640
and then Golden State's twenty thirty second. How are you feeling?

2210
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:48,079
Speaker 2: I think I feel great about that. If I'm the Kings,

2211
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:52,119
That's where I would start one because you get to

2212
01:44:52,399 --> 01:44:54,479
flex a little bit and not send Fox to the

2213
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:57,159
one team he says he wants to go to UH

2214
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:01,239
and you're that's basically I mean the two firsts are

2215
01:45:01,319 --> 01:45:04,319
we saying those are unprotected? Essentially? So twenty five is

2216
01:45:04,399 --> 01:45:08,840
not any good twenty seven? Who knows Wiggins is a

2217
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,640
good player that would actually, like, really matter for the Kings.

2218
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,760
Speaker 1: He would have been really good on the iteration of

2219
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:15,359
the Kings. That did Aaron Fox wanted to be a.

2220
01:45:15,399 --> 01:45:18,199
Speaker 2: Part of, Yeah, he'd be great on most iterations of

2221
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:22,479
most teams actually in this role, Yeah, you know you

2222
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:24,880
have shocked me, so mission accomplished. I don't know if

2223
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,119
you're gonna get like a cogent answer because I'm well

2224
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:30,920
having a hard time from the Warriors perspective.

2225
01:45:31,159 --> 01:45:33,359
Speaker 1: I know that the Warriors still ducked attacks as part

2226
01:45:33,399 --> 01:45:35,359
of this. I know that was a big concern. You

2227
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:36,800
root for ownership to say.

2228
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:40,199
Speaker 2: I really care about how much billionaires have to spend.

2229
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,239
Speaker 1: You know, you hadn't even mention that ke On Ellis

2230
01:45:43,359 --> 01:45:44,800
is on Golden State at the end of Yeah, ke

2231
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,199
On Ellis helps, Uh, and he's dirt cheap.

2232
01:45:48,199 --> 01:45:51,319
Speaker 2: That's like kind of the that is that is a sweetener.

2233
01:45:52,079 --> 01:45:55,119
It's still just like, I mean, is he more valuable

2234
01:45:55,239 --> 01:45:59,560
than than Pajemski and Looney? Going forward? Again, I just

2235
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,680
keep coming. I love this for the Kings because Looney

2236
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,319
comes off the books also he like, first of all,

2237
01:46:04,399 --> 01:46:06,000
Keavon Looney owns the Kings, so you don't have to

2238
01:46:06,039 --> 01:46:07,439
play against Kavon Looney anymore.

2239
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 1: Uh, he's on the way. The deal works without Kevon

2240
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,680
Looney as well. If the King's just decided we don't

2241
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:15,279
want his money back, but then the Warriors don't tuck

2242
01:46:15,359 --> 01:46:15,520
at that.

2243
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:17,520
Speaker 2: Who do you think is coming out the best here

2244
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:20,560
other than Detroit, who just gets to swoop in and

2245
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:21,920
like collect stuff for fun.

2246
01:46:22,039 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 1: Well, if Dennis Shrewder's healthy, he's sapping up most of

2247
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:28,079
your cauchdas. But Mischion, like, you got an asset to

2248
01:46:28,199 --> 01:46:30,119
fill a need that's just for the rest of the season.

2249
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:33,279
I think you should do it. Yeah, making out the best,

2250
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:37,840
I think it's the Kings here because you're getting uh,

2251
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,319
I don't know. I think the Warriors with Ellis, Fox,

2252
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:45,439
Draymond and Steph and Kaminga still there like that's a

2253
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,479
really good team, Like that's a really good quarter where

2254
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:51,960
and you still have Moses Moody from there. I think

2255
01:46:52,039 --> 01:46:54,800
they're making out the best here because you kind of

2256
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,640
still you didn't have to give up the the other

2257
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,279
part of that twenty thirty first rounder, which again, if

2258
01:46:59,319 --> 01:47:02,159
it goes to Washington, you've done something right because it

2259
01:47:02,319 --> 01:47:07,479
was protected like a top twenty protected and you're still

2260
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,640
like you're not trading the entire stable. So I actually

2261
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:13,520
think they made the tough thing is you lose Wiggins,

2262
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,319
but the fact that Keon Ellis is coming back and

2263
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:18,319
has cost controlled for another I think another two seasons. Yeah,

2264
01:47:18,399 --> 01:47:20,800
I feel a little better about it. And you also,

2265
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:22,079
by the way, you didn't have to give up GP

2266
01:47:22,199 --> 01:47:24,079
two for the rest of this season, So if he's healthy,

2267
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,720
I think you've probably you have enough perimeter defense. I

2268
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:30,840
think they're the team in terms of talent in a vacuum,

2269
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:35,239
but for Sacramento's predicament, Uh, you could say that they're

2270
01:47:35,319 --> 01:47:37,079
making out the best. I just don't how much do

2271
01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:42,319
they value pods when they have Devin Carter, Monk Demarta Rosen.

2272
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,239
Speaker 2: I think I think the criticism that you might hear

2273
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:50,239
is like, well, like, how how what kind of fit

2274
01:47:50,399 --> 01:47:53,880
do Fox and Steph make for as a as a backcourt.

2275
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,199
I think the response to that should be, like the

2276
01:47:56,279 --> 01:47:59,199
Warriors Number one problem is nobody can create a shot

2277
01:47:59,359 --> 01:48:01,560
other than steaf f and Fox can do that, and

2278
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,279
so like, I don't really care if you've got to

2279
01:48:03,319 --> 01:48:06,159
figure out who's guarding who among you know, on the

2280
01:48:06,199 --> 01:48:09,079
one between the two of them, and Fox is like

2281
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:13,920
he's fine defensively and can be good at times, So like, yeah,

2282
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,039
I don't know. I think I think that I'm I

2283
01:48:16,359 --> 01:48:19,319
I definitely am struck by basically two first and a

2284
01:48:19,399 --> 01:48:23,000
swap going out in Wiggans going out, But I mean

2285
01:48:23,239 --> 01:48:23,840
if if.

2286
01:48:24,279 --> 01:48:28,640
Speaker 1: So, if I just removed the swap, does that like

2287
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:30,439
what would Is there anything that would make you think

2288
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:34,439
that it's not potentially bad for the Warriors?

2289
01:48:35,239 --> 01:48:38,840
Speaker 2: Uh? I mean I I well, the that twenty seven first, Like,

2290
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:40,880
who knows what that downside is. I guess if you

2291
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,720
have Fox and presumably you're gonna keep him, you know

2292
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:48,960
your your floor is fairly high. Maybe Kaminga develops like

2293
01:48:49,159 --> 01:48:52,800
that too, into like a number three guy or something. Yeah,

2294
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:57,319
I think I think the Warriors probably should do that.

2295
01:48:58,199 --> 01:49:01,439
The Kings definitely should do that, and yeah, and then

2296
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:03,560
the Pistons are like whatever, unless the Pistons are like,

2297
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,199
we can actually get something better than a second for

2298
01:49:06,359 --> 01:49:09,920
using our which is honestly like they might say that

2299
01:49:10,319 --> 01:49:14,119
I can't get done without Detroit. Yeah, but well again,

2300
01:49:14,279 --> 01:49:16,640
because you don't need loony like you could send shrewder

2301
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:19,439
to there's a way to work it without Detroit. Golden

2302
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:22,159
State just doesn't duck the tax, which if you're gonna pay,

2303
01:49:22,399 --> 01:49:24,319
like if you're worry about Fox's next deal, I assumed

2304
01:49:24,319 --> 01:49:26,920
that would be a prerequisite for them this season. Yeah,

2305
01:49:27,039 --> 01:49:30,520
that's true. Yeah, very interesting. You sufficiently shocked me.

2306
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:33,319
Speaker 1: I have to say, that was my only goal, only goal.

2307
01:49:33,399 --> 01:49:34,720
Let us know what you think in the comments are

2308
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,520
a discord though, if you're seeing this, grant, this is weird.

2309
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,000
Under two hours for a podcast, but are you ready

2310
01:49:40,039 --> 01:49:40,760
to take us out of here?

2311
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:44,319
Speaker 2: Nevertheless, under two hours for a content rich podcast. Really

2312
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,159
just anything everything you could want in a in a

2313
01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:50,520
tight type for us timeline. Thanks everybody. Thanks Zach Buckley

2314
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:53,039
for doing that trade slider. We're gonna link out to

2315
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:56,520
that article because he did all the work and we

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just talked about it. So appreciate that. Thanks everybody for

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listening for Make sure if you're checking this out on

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YouTube that you check out Zach's article one and two

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you subscribe, comment there, let us know what you think

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about the trades. Are what you think about our takes

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on the trades, but you think about the news and

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Dan's proposed trades, which are just I'm still reeling a

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little bit. I wasn't ready for Deer and Foxes and

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the Warriors. But you're we can adjust rate, review, subscribe,

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tell your friends, tell your enemy, shout out. Frank Melikina apologies.

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Jared Allen