WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:09.960 Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today, 2 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:12.119 I want to welcome back to the show, Ryan Gable. 3 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:15.919 He is a veteran radio personality and producer for his 4 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:20.359 weekend show The Secret Teachings and a special weekend show 5 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:26.039 called TST Weekends. His broadcast focus on synchronicity and objective 6 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:33.600 analysis of parapsychology, pop conspiracy, parapolitics, health history, the paranormal, symbolism, 7 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:39.679 the occult and esoteric alchemy, magic, philosophy, and more in 8 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:46.240 the most distinct ways by finding parallels and patterns often overlooked. Ryan, 9 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:47.520 welcome back. How you doing. 10 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:51.000 I'm doing fantastic. Thank you for having me back on 11 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:51.399 the show. 12 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:53.640 Yes, great to have you back. 13 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:54.000 Man. 14 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:58.079 Last time was an amazing show, and you do fantastic 15 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:02.200 work on your own show, decoding esoteric symbolism and messages 16 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:07.280 in media, movies, large events, and political realms, and Hollywood, 17 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.519 in conjunction with the CIA and the news media, has 18 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:15.799 been steering culture in certain desired directions since the dawning 19 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:21.280 of mass broadcasting and telecommunications and over the past three years, 20 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:25.120 whether you participated or not in the insanity, the world 21 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:30.079 has dramatically changed and continues to as we speak, and 22 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:33.719 there seems to be a definite quickening of events since 23 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:38.200 the COVID era as well, seemingly by design, and today 24 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:40.959 I want to get into some of the examples of 25 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:46.000 these events and the symbolism behind them, and your insights 26 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:50.879 into the who and why behind this occult programming. Before 27 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:53.359 we get into any of that, just remind the audience 28 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:58.560 a little bit about yourself and the Secret Teachings. 29 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.280 Yes, so, as you know, Oh, my name is Ryan Gable. 30 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:03.359 My show is The Secret Teachings. Thank you for that 31 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:05.400 little bit of an introduction there. And that's a really 32 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.680 good question or set of questions to start off with. 33 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:11.319 I've been doing this for about fourteen years now, long 34 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:15.080 before it became popular or trendy, and I tend to 35 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.199 take a stance that is oppositional to a lot of 36 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:21.120 work that might seem similar to mine. I don't tend 37 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:23.280 to get into a lot of the social media stuff 38 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.800 and a lot of the conspiratorial stuff that is trending. 39 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:27.680 I try to stay away from a lot of that. 40 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.280 That's what I'm doing today. Over the last fourteen years, though, 41 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:37.159 I've been using history and mythology and symbolism as an 42 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.479 oracle to try to figure out if there's any deeper 43 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:44.199 meaning to contemporary events. And that's what I've been doing 44 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:46.960 throughout most of my career. And I think to answer 45 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:51.080 your question gently before we go into anything. In addition, 46 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:54.919 if you look at Hollywood just the name, a lot 47 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.039 of your listeners might be aware of this already. But 48 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.599 Hollywood is actually a type of wood, real type of 49 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.319 wood that magicians use to make magic wands. You can 50 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.000 make a magic wand out of anything Cyprus, You can 51 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:09.439 make a magic wand out of a pine tree, of 52 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:12.840 whatever you want you could use as a tool. But 53 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:17.520 Hollywood is traditionally a wand that was made to conjure 54 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:22.800 up storms, or to conjure up gray skies, gray skies, storms, 55 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.039 conjuring up illusions and things of this nature. And we 56 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.680 still call the Hollywood screen when you go to the 57 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.560 movie theater, we call it the big silver screen. It's 58 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.439 conjuring something onto the screen that otherwise isn't there. So 59 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:37.840 that's kind of similar to the old idea of magicians 60 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.400 conjuring up storms using Hollywood wands. The other thing is 61 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:44.719 you said the word broadcasting, and I haven't thought of 62 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:46.560 this for a while, so I'm glad you said that 63 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:51.840 word broadcasting is literally the broad very large, very widespread 64 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:56.400 casting of whatever it is that is being broadcast. So 65 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:59.599 it could be an idea, an ideology, a movie, a 66 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.759 TV show, a news broadcast, but it is a broadcast 67 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.080 of an idea or of perhaps as we still refer 68 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.759 to a lot of Hollywood movies. I was reading about 69 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:11.560 a movie the other day because I'm a big movie buff, 70 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.439 and that they were saying that the movie was spell binding. 71 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.959 So we still use those kinds of words broadcasting or 72 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:22.759 casting something Hollywood, the wood of the magician's wand and 73 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:26.560 of course something as simple as spellbinding a word that 74 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:28.920 we play with, but it has a very deep meaning. 75 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.879 It is spell binding, a spell that we broadcast to 76 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.800 the masses. So I think just that alone is enough 77 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.839 to help us to understand that there's a little bit 78 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:42.800 more to Hollywood and a little bit more to media 79 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.199 in general, all forms of media, than just simple entertainment 80 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:47.879 one hundred percent. 81 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:52.680 I still enjoy movies, I still enjoy media and TV 82 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:54.920 shows every once in a while, But I used to 83 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.240 be under the complete Hollywood spell, you know, just ten 84 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.319 to fifteen years ago. I use to love watching movies. 85 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:03.439 That was my favorite thing to do. I would get 86 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:07.759 completely sucked in. I was also completely asleep to a 87 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:10.560 lot of the aspects of what was happening there. But 88 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.920 you know, I still enjoy going and seeing a good movie. 89 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.360 But now I just sit back and kind of pick 90 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:21.279 apart what seems to be the symbolism and programming behind everything. 91 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.519 But what do you think about what has happened to 92 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:28.920 entertainment in the Hollywood just in the past few years. 93 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.560 It's the quality to me has just declined extremely. It's 94 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.360 very hard for me to find something I'll enjoy anymore. 95 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:40.079 And it seems more about the propaganda and pushing whatever 96 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:45.160 agenda's in the background than even entertainment or even Hollywood 97 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:50.199 making any profits anymore. It's just all about this propaganda 98 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.240 and programming. Now do you see the same things? 99 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:56.680 Yeah? And I think to be objective about it, I 100 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.160 would imagine if we asked our parents, you know, they 101 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.079 might have a are feeling hard generation of movies and TV. 102 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.759 But beyond the objectivity of it, there certainly is a quickening. 103 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.160 I think you used the word quickening earlier. There's certainly 104 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:14.720 a quickening of certain ideologies and certain themes that are present, 105 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.720 And this is a question that I've asked myself and 106 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.079 I've also asked my audience and the secret teachings. It's 107 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:22.040 something a good friend of mine who's a co host, 108 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:24.959 on occasion, we talked about this probably once a week. 109 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.040 It doesn't make any sense how you think of Hollywood 110 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.959 and you think of the rich and the famous and 111 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.439 the powerful, even if it's very fake, these are really powerful, rich, 112 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.839 influential people, and they want to make money. They want 113 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.360 to make a lot of money. A lot of celebrities, 114 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:41.639 a lot of even athletes, people sell out for anything. 115 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:45.399 They'll do stupid supplement commercials, stupid diet commercials, whatever, so 116 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.759 whatever they can do to stay relevant or make money. 117 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:52.040 So it's weird when Hollywood in particular, but media in general, 118 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:56.720 begins to push themes and ideas that you know, if 119 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.199 they did it for a little bit and they did 120 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.319 these ideas didn't stick and people didn't want to see them, 121 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:04.639 you would think that they would switch to something else 122 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.240 because they'd be losing money. I mean, you think about 123 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:11.199 look at CNN. CNN gets less viewers than reruns of 124 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:16.519 SpongeBob on Nickelodeon. That's baffling. That's incomprehensible, it doesn't make 125 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.639 any sense. And yet they still put hundreds of millions 126 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:22.720 of dollars into a CNN broadcast every single year, billions 127 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.319 of dollars, where the question is where does that money 128 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.639 come from? In the same way with Hollywood, I'm sure 129 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:30.680 you I would assume you've seen Top Gun? Did you 130 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:31.639 see the new Top Gun movie? 131 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:33.079 I didn't see the New Top Gun. 132 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:37.199 No, it's it's a really even if I don't like 133 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.600 Tom Cruise myself, but the movie is fantastic. And I 134 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.199 know people that don't. They don't like war movies, people 135 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.319 that don't even like this stuff. I went to the 136 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.319 theater to see it because I wanted to see see 137 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.040 it on the big screen, the silver screen, and I 138 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.240 noticed there were there were like more kids in the 139 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.560 theater than there were like single adults. The theater was packed. 140 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:59.519 And this was like a month after it had come 141 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.839 out on a weeknight. It wasn't even a sat Friday 142 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.040 or Saturday. And I thought, maybe that's just a one off. 143 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.800 And when I left the theater, I just out of curiosity. 144 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:11.399 I just kind of stood there and I was seeing 145 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.439 who was in the theater. I was watching people walk 146 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.240 out and funny thing is next door to the theater 147 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.720 there was the buzz Lightyear movie was playing. It was 148 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.079 like the same time, and when the buzz Lightyear movie 149 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.240 got out about the same time, there was like no 150 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.800 is nobody in the theater, and that buzz Lightyear movie 151 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:30.600 because Disney added this I guess gay kiss or gay 152 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.600 character or something, that movie bombed and you got to 153 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:36.519 almost in a way, so bad for the people that 154 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:38.600 worked on it, all the rendering and the editing and 155 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.919 the writing and direct all the things that went into that, 156 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.480 and the movie bombed and tanks and they lose all 157 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.720 this money because they had to insert some gay scene 158 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:51.480 into it that even gay people like who was interested 159 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.159 in that. We want to see a story. That's what 160 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:57.399 made Pixar so good. It was a story, characters, archetypes, 161 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:01.159 and it spoke to us. The characters ruality didn't matter. 162 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.039 So we had more kids going to see Top Gun. 163 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:06.720 This was just my experience than going to see Buzz 164 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:09.759 light Year. So you would assume My point is that 165 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:11.960 if these and we know for sure of these companies, 166 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.399 these big Hollywood companies are losing literally hundreds of millions 167 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.039 of dollars a year in the production of these movies 168 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.480 and TV shows that they're making. But they just keep 169 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:27.519 making them. So somebody has to be somewhere subsidizing this. 170 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.440 And this isn't the point of the reason you have 171 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.519 me on today, But I think a lot of people 172 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.159 don't want to talk about this either because they don't 173 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.799 want to admit they've watched pornography before. But the porn 174 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:39.960 industry is the thing. You can get pornography anywhere. It's 175 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.639 not a disputable or debatable thing. You porn anywhere as 176 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.200 much porn as you want. And yet somehow the porn industry, 177 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.960 even though it's relatively small, has hundreds of millions of 178 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.679 dollars to keep making porn that is just basically being 179 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.720 given away for free. Somebody has to be subsidizing that. 180 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.759 Somebody has to be subsidizing. Target just announced they lost 181 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:03.360 four hundred million dollars just from theft alone, not projected 182 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.679 profit they lost. But who's subsidizing that money? And that's 183 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.879 really at the core of the question that you asked. 184 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.840 I think whether it's Target, the porn industry, Hollywood, major 185 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.919 media companies. All that money's being lost, and you think 186 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:17.240 they changed their team wouldn't you. 187 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.600 I would, And you know, I'm glad you brought up 188 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.200 the porn industry. That's actually on my list of things 189 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.279 that I wanted to cover if we had a chance. 190 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.519 But since you brought it up, let's dive into that 191 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:29.960 for a minute, because I wanted to talk about the 192 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:34.720 effect that it's had, especially on younger generations, and not 193 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.639 only that video games just kind of the combination too, 194 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.200 that the effects has had on the younger generations over 195 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:43.519 the years. I have friends that have kids and they're 196 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:49.000 just seemingly much different than the older generations. But with porn, 197 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:51.480 I mean, I remember, I'm sure you're around the same 198 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.120 age as myself. When we growing up, we had to 199 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:57.519 start out with our dad's magazines and then we graduated 200 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.360 to the VHS tapes, but it was still well, you know, 201 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.600 you had to work for your pornography. You had to 202 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:04.840 fast forward to the good scenes and stuff like that, 203 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.360 and then you had your your internet based porn that 204 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.960 came up, and we were still young, but you had 205 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.360 to it was on a modem, a dial up modem, 206 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.480 and you had to wait forever just to see a nipple. 207 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:20.840 Still a little bit of work that you had to 208 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.360 do for it. Nowadays, kids are walking around with this 209 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:26.519 in their pocket. All they have to do is hit 210 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.840 a button that says yes, I'm twenty one or yes 211 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.679 I'm eighteen, and they're into the most raunchiest things that 212 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:37.039 you could ever imagine. And I can't imagine how desensitized 213 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:42.360 they've become and how it's affected their sexual development over 214 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:47.120 the years, in combination with being sucked into video games. 215 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.919 The video games is so much better than real life 216 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:53.799 for some of these kids. They don't want to participate 217 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:56.279 in real life, so they spend most of their waking 218 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.159 hours playing these video games. They don't want to have 219 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:02.600 sex with a race, a real girl, because their pornography 220 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:05.279 is way better than that. So what do you think 221 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.679 about the way that this has been affecting the younger generations. 222 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.000 Well, there's a lot of ways to answer that question, 223 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:17.639 and that's a fantastic observation. Fantastic question. For one, if 224 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:19.600 you look at the country of Japan. I've ever been 225 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:23.519 to Japan, but I've always been fascinated with Japan. I've 226 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:25.759 been in the process of learning Japanese for some time, 227 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.480 and I've been reading a lot about current political things 228 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.679 in Japan. And how they I think then the recent 229 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:36.039 number was they only had eight hundred thousand I guess 230 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:38.639 you could call them pure Japanese babies that were born, 231 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:42.080 which is an unbelievably small number. Their birth rate is 232 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:45.639 declining rapidly, and it's not because of sperm towns or fertility. 233 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.279 It's because they don't want to have sex with each other. 234 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.440 And it's just not like they've lost a lot of 235 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:53.240 their traditional culture and a lot of things that make 236 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:55.240 them who they are. And this is a big thing 237 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:57.799 that Japan is contending with, is that they just have 238 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:00.000 such a low birth rate and people would rather date 239 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:04.159 digital girlfriends and things like this. So that's just kind 240 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.519 of an example of a country that's kind of isolated 241 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.679 and still kind of isolated in a sense, and they're 242 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.039 having the same problems largely because of technology. I don't 243 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.120 necessarily think technology is bad. I don't necessarily think porn 244 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.399 is bad, and I don't necessarily think video games are bad. 245 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:24.840 But to address your question, it's sort of like if you, 246 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.039 you know, if you were to go and to have 247 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.240 some let's say, some spicy food, and you eat spicy 248 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:34.039 food all the time. I'm one of those guys I 249 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:38.320 like spicy food. You know, eventually the spicy food doesn't 250 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.039 do it for me anymore, so I have to go 251 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.399 like the next level up. I have to get a 252 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.480 spici or pepper, a spicier hot sauce, and otherwise it 253 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.240 just ends up tasting salty and not as spicy. Same 254 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.600 kind of a thing happens when you watch pornography, or 255 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:54.840 maybe you engage in some kind of you know, video 256 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.480 game or watching movies that are very violent. I don't 257 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:01.879 necessarily think that it creates the atmosphere or the environment 258 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.159 where people want to go do those things. I think 259 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:06.799 it's actually kind of the opposite. It's a release. But 260 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.879 when you don't have a structure at home, when you 261 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:14.279 don't have guidance, when you don't have I would personally suggest, 262 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:19.519 when you don't have any kind of spiritual viewpoint or 263 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:24.360 aspect that is that you are engaging with in your life, 264 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.320 and a lot of that comes from not having parents 265 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:30.360 or guardians that help you to progress and grow. If 266 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.639 you're only engaged in the video games, the movies, the 267 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.159 porn and things like that that are violence and sexual 268 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:38.840 and you don't have any balance to that, that I 269 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.720 think is what creates the problem. So I don't think 270 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.279 the problem is necessarily peorn or video games. The problem 271 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.440 is in balance, and the problem is when you look 272 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:51.200 at everything that is I think I would say promoted. 273 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:57.000 Everything that's promoted and advertised today is demoralizing, it's degenerative. 274 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:01.360 You know, you can't post your opinion on Twitter, but 275 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.639 you can find hardcore pornography and it just pops up. 276 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.200 Like in fact, I was just on Twitter a second 277 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:12.200 ago before the show started, and I have no clue 278 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.360 where this came from. I just saw I had six notifications. 279 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:17.919 I click on the notifications, and someone commented on one 280 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.240 of my posts from last night, and I don't ve 281 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.840 used Twitter that much, but I checked it, and then 282 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.919 suddenly pornography pops up. And it's the thing that bothers 283 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.279 me is not the It's not the porn, it's that 284 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:32.399 in China, they don't let their kids see that kind 285 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.720 of thing. In China, they're TikTok and there they're which 286 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.000 is you know, a Chinese company anyways owned by but 287 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:43.120 their social media they're promoting family and they're promoting you know, 288 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:47.480 math and science and history. They're not allowing the pornography 289 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:51.200 and the violence to permeate. So there's a reason that 290 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:54.559 this is happening, in particular in the West, but largely 291 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:58.480 in America. Someone is allowing it. The algorithms are allowing it, 292 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.320 the same algorithms that they allow the QAnon conspiracies and 293 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.240 the Pizagate conspiracies, which personally I don't believe in those. 294 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:08.559 I think those are distractions from something else. But they 295 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:12.320 are allowing these things to ges state and permeate, and 296 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.720 that does have a negative effect when that's all that 297 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.360 you see, when that's all that you consume, and largely 298 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.600 when you don't have guidance or balance or the concept 299 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.840 of God or spirit or any of those other things, 300 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.840 that's when it becomes dangerous. That's when I think it 301 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:27.720 becomes harmful. 302 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.840 In my opinion, right on, there does seem to be 303 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:39.240 an overarching eugenics or depopulation or sterilization agenda going on 304 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:43.440 globally right now. And what easier way to help that along? 305 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.559 Then if the kids aren't having sex, or people aren't 306 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:48.519 having sex with each other anymore, right. 307 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.240 Well, I would say if they're not having meaningful sex, 308 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.360 which would imply that there's no relationships or families, they've 309 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:00.399 taken something sacred like sex, and they've turned it into well, 310 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.279 it's something you can sell, it's a commodity, or they've 311 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.000 trivialized sex in the same way that I mean drugs 312 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.799 have been trivialized that I've never done any kind of 313 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:11.720 drug in my life. I don't even take I don't 314 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.079 even take prescribe drugs myself. But kind of like pornography. 315 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.400 I'm assuming that, you know, because I knew people that 316 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.079 did do drugs in high school or when I went 317 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.480 to film school. People had to work to get their drugs. 318 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.079 They had to work to get their pornography. Nowadays, you 319 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.000 don't really have to work to get either. You can 320 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.079 get porn anywhere, and you can also I mean literally 321 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.640 here where I live in Arizona, in Tucson, I've seen 322 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.039 people just smoking crack on the side of the road 323 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:38.880 and the police don't do anything because it's like official 324 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:43.599 federal government from the Body Administration distributed. It's federal crack. 325 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:46.759 I'm guessing that's what it is. Anyway, Yeah, they don't 326 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:49.400 do anything about it, so it's easy to get access 327 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.279 to it, and that that's part of the process of 328 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:58.200 demoralization and destabilization. And whether you take your Abzmenov, the 329 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.519 former Soviet KG, the agent who said this is how 330 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:06.880 you break down a society, You break down a civilization, demoralization, degrading, 331 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.960 and then things eventually fall apart. Regardless of him saying that, 332 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:12.839 I'm saying that that's what it looks like to me. 333 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.359 It's putting people into positions where they think they have 334 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:18.920 no purpose, they have no meaning, so they turn to 335 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.960 these things that just keep them numb. And I think 336 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.799 that's also kind of a product for a lot of Americans. 337 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:28.599 And I try to make this point all the time 338 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:32.480 of the Secret Teachings. We don't have any idea, on average, 339 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:35.160 how good we have it in this country. People have 340 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.400 no idea. They think because eggs go up to eight 341 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.680 dollars a carton, which is ridiculous, but they think eggs 342 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.599 go up eight dollars, or they don't have ten different 343 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.960 companies to choose from. You think that's scarcity, Try living 344 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:49.960 in a country where you don't have any food at 345 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.680 all for days at the time. Americans have no idea 346 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.599 what it's like to live in those conditions on average. 347 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.319 So that contributes to it. Because our decadence and our 348 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.480 wealth largely in the United States, prevent us from understanding 349 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.960 the hardships are the problems that people face otherwise around 350 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.240 the world, and that can make us really really isolated, 351 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:14.880 I would say, psychologically, and in a lot of other ways. 352 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.960 It prevents us from understanding how good we actually have it. 353 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:21.720 And because of that, largely from universities and schooling and 354 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:25.279 media that tell us how bad things are, we kind 355 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:28.079 of squander our wealth and we squander our intellect, and 356 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:30.480 we'd rather sit and do nothing because all the world's 357 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:32.920 just so bad. A lot of the stuff I think 358 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:35.559 is just psychology more so than reality. 359 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:39.480 Yeah, like you though, it's easier to keep us controlled 360 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:42.839 if we're in a constant state of fear and anxiety 361 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.079 that the world's falling apart and we have it horribly 362 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.319 in eggs or ten dollars, So you know, it's a 363 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.920 lot easier to control us that way. Now I want 364 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:52.920 to get back to can I make one more? 365 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:55.920 Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry, Well I was going to 366 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:57.759 make one more. I don't know if we were going 367 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:00.720 to go into this later, but one quick example, yes, 368 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:06.240 is the debating between or the arguing or the viewpoints 369 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:11.880 of like COVID nineteen, viruses Starscope two and vaccines, like, 370 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:17.880 there's no doubt that for decades vaccines have I guess 371 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:21.279 perceptually they've been good for people, but in reality, it's 372 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.880 better hygiene, it's better clean water and clean food. It's 373 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.720 waste management. That's what's led to people being healthier. But 374 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.279 when you look at this debate between well, viruses are 375 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.720 causing all these problems. They're causing heart problems, they're causing 376 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.240 people to have respiratory problems, they're causing people to have xyz. 377 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.200 People are even saying doctors are saying Starscope two causes diabetes. 378 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:47.119 Then on the other side, people say, no, the vaccine 379 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:50.640 causes all these problems. So this is confusing because the 380 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:55.200 vaccine certainly could cause thrombosis and myocarditis, character attis, et cetera. 381 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:58.720 They admit to this, but the vaccines aren't causing all 382 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:02.640 those problems. So we're arguing, and we're afraid of either 383 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:05.519 a virus or a vaccine or shedding the vaccine. We're 384 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:08.759 afraid of these things. We're angry, we're fighting with each 385 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:11.200 other and in our own groups with other groups. But 386 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:13.759 the reality of the situation is it's up to virus 387 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.599 and it's not the vaccine. All those things are just 388 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:21.640 being used to as scapegoats for problems that we've always had. 389 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:26.920 The leading causes of death heart disease, cancer, diabetes necessarily directly, 390 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.640 but these are problems that we have. Strokes, those one 391 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:31.839 of the top five leading causes of death. Those are 392 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:35.599 causes according to the same official sources, by lifestyle decisions. 393 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.880 So my point is, well, we argue over viruses and vaccines, 394 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:43.079 that's what's making us sick. It's actually us making ourselves sick. 395 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:45.799 And it's one of those things where we're afraid and 396 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:48.880 we're anxious, and we're debating and arguing over things that, 397 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.319 sure they matter, but the real root source of the 398 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.400 problem is somewhere else. And whether you think you're speaking 399 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.200 the truth or you think that you're stand up for science, 400 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:02.359 in both cases, I don't think that that's true. 401 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:04.359 Yeah, That's something else I want to get into if 402 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:08.200 we have time, is what I call the conspiracy wars 403 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.880 is in this community, there's so much there's so many 404 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:14.759 people that are may have good intentions but are putting 405 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:19.319 out horrible information or misinformation or disinformation, or there's intentionally 406 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:23.200 people putting out disinformation, being inserted into what you would 407 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:25.759 call the truth community. I mean, there's a lot of 408 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.480 a lot of people in these realms that are just 409 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.240 shooting their self in the foot and putting out horrible 410 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:35.640 information and making everyone else who's doing legitimate, good research 411 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:40.200 look really terrible. But that's for later, if we have time. 412 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:41.920 What I want to go back to a little bit 413 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.720 is some of the programming in Hollywood and some of 414 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:50.799 the hidden underlying messages and things that we're seeing. But first, 415 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:54.160 do you think that celebrities involved in this, you know, 416 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:58.039 how they're throwing up the hand symbols and the pyramid 417 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.000 and the one eye and all this, do you think 418 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:05.400 they're actually that these guys are actually initiated on any level? 419 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:09.799 Are they're just taking orders from higher ups? 420 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:15.079 Well, speaking directly to the quote unquote hand signs, I've 421 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:19.440 never been a distributor of that information. I find it 422 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:22.359 to be extremely circumstantial and a lot of those images 423 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:27.359 and videos are totally out of context. However, by initiation, 424 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.400 I'm not sure how people interpret that word or define it. 425 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:34.720 But when I think initiation, I think not just into 426 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.480 people think of secret society. I think initiation into an ideology, 427 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:43.000 initiation into a lifestyle, into a way of living in 428 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:45.559 that way, Yes, certainly, if you're rich and famous and 429 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:47.799 powerful like that and you have to toe a certain 430 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:51.359 line or lose your career or your influence or whatever, 431 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:55.279 then yeah, you're certainly initiated into a cult cultive ideas, 432 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.240 a cult of politics, a cult of philosophy, a cult 433 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.359 of a way of living, et cetera. So certainly in 434 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:05.640 that regard, yes, some of these people are initiated. Beyond that, 435 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:08.559 I would say that they're probably. I mean the Jeffrey 436 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:11.480 Epstein situation, which I was talking about for years before 437 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.680 it became a thing. Jeffrey Epstein, he was basically running 438 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.319 a cult, and he was also a lot of people 439 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.599 forget that. In New Mexico, he had a compound, he 440 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.599 was working with top scientists, people that were connected to 441 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:27.920 Bilimol and the Gates Foundation and Microsoft as well, where 442 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.759 they were using they wanted to use his sperm. Literally, 443 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.319 this was the USA Today reported this, to create a 444 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.680 race of superhumans by taking women and impregnating them artificially 445 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.359 with his sperm. That was the USA Today that reported that. 446 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.039 And people don't think I'm making that up, but that 447 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:48.000 is another level of initiation or cult And maybe that's 448 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:49.839 kind of what a lot of people think about when 449 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:51.920 they when they think of the question that you just asked. 450 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:57.039 Now, especially with what we saw on the Grammys, and 451 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:01.640 for the longest time, people have have been screaming, you 452 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:06.279 know that this is this is Satanism. They're doing Satanic rituals, 453 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:10.799 when I think it's probably much deeper and different than 454 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:15.160 we'll ever understand what's really going on with underlying with 455 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:20.079 some of these rituals and symbolism that they're doing on 456 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:23.400 these large scale events. But I'd love to get your 457 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.079 take on some of these things. This is this happens 458 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.119 every year in large events, from the super Bowl to 459 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.680 the Grammys, uh, and a lot of people decode them 460 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:35.000 in different ways and have different ideas, and I'd love 461 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.759 to get your insights. 462 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.680 Yeah, I've been doing I guess you could call it decoding. 463 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:42.960 I've been looking at the super Bowl Bowl for many, 464 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.160 many years. I found a friend of mine who does 465 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.079 another radio show because he was doing the exact same thing. 466 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.319 I found his show as a result of that, and 467 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:52.440 a handful of other people have done things like this, 468 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.599 and now it's extremely popular and because it's extremely popular. 469 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:58.240 It's easy to get clicks. 470 00:25:58.440 --> 00:25:58.640 Right. 471 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.880 Every year, I see the same story. I'm sure we'll 472 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.519 see it this weekend for the Super Bowl as well. 473 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.440 Will be Illuminati halftime show, I Humuinati ritual Pyramid trying 474 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.039 to confirmed and Reptilians are actually the singers. And I 475 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:13.119 see stuff like that and it really irritates me because 476 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:15.160 I don't know what that means. I don't know what 477 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.960 Illuminati confirm means. I don't know what I don't know 478 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.200 what people are talking about. To be honest with you 479 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:23.480 alf the time, but what you're getting at and what 480 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.680 I'm getting at with those kinds of subjects is let's 481 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:30.279 just think about it. I'll try to sum this up 482 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.039 for times sake, but let's think about it from an 483 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:35.400 advertising point of view. From what I understand, Apple is 484 00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:38.079 going to sponsor the halftime show this year. It won't 485 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.960 be Pepsi. That's what I've read. So whether that's the 486 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:42.920 case or not doesn't really matter. But it's a good example. 487 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.960 Apple is sponsoring the halftime show not because they're not 488 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.119 going to make money, but because they're gonna make a 489 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:49.680 lot of money. A lot of people are going to 490 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.160 see that because it's one of the most washed events 491 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.240 in the world, particularly in the United States, even with 492 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:58.640 the dwindling NFL viewership. Same thing with Pepsi. Why did 493 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.880 Pepsi sponsor the halftime show? Because when they made a contract, 494 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.880 they had a contract in the NFL broadcasters and they 495 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:06.759 made a lot of money off that people go out 496 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:11.279 and buy Pepsi. So you'd, as an individual, you'd have 497 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.240 to be really naive to not think that, Well, I mean, 498 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:16.559 what's the half of the Super Bowl is the commercials 499 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:20.160 for some people, and they watch those commercials and companies 500 00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.240 pay famously millions of dollars for thirty second advertisements because 501 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:27.839 so many people are watching. So the super Bowl, for example, 502 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:31.519 like any major event with so many people watching, is 503 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:37.200 obviously a platform to sell products. It's also a platform 504 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:42.079 to sell political ideologies. It's a platform to sell anything 505 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.359 that you can package, whether that's a physical item or 506 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.519 it's something else. I apologize, I have an ambulance coined 507 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.200 by here, So whether that's a physical item or something else, 508 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.240 you can package it and sell it. So if we 509 00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:01.279 isolate the halftime show, obviously these celebrities, whether it's Rihanna 510 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:05.359 this weekend or it's Lady Gaga who's performed, or you 511 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.079 name it. You're going to have those celebrities doing that 512 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.519 because they are going to make a lot of money, 513 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.000 not just from the broadcast itself, like the NFL whoever 514 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.559 pays them directly, but because every year after the super Bowl, 515 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.799 whoever performs, they they're iTunes, everything that they have their 516 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.279 music on. They make unbelievable amounts of money because people 517 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.160 go buy the music right away. So that's the first level. 518 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.440 The second level is since so many people are paying attention, 519 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:38.920 and when you pay attention, going back to like spellbinding broadcasting, Hollywood, 520 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.279 et cetera, when you pay pay attention, you're paying attention 521 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:48.480 with your energy. And energy is currency. It's like electrical currency. 522 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.559 That's what we call our money currency. We do a job, 523 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.319 we exert energy, We get paid with this physical representation 524 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.839 of energy, and then we put that into things that 525 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.680 we enjoy. Maybe that's you know, some chips and some 526 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.160 dip for the super Bowl. Maybe that's we buy a 527 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.640 new car. Maybe that's you know, we subscribe to Netflix 528 00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:08.759 or Hulu, so we put energy back into those things. 529 00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.519 That is historically, and I think I would call it 530 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:18.599 traditionally that's what magic is. Magic is not necessarily a 531 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.240 human sacrifice. That's preposterous. Magic is the directionalizing of your 532 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:25.200 intention and will. Every time a Christian or a Muslim 533 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.640 or a Jew sits down in praise or meals down 534 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.119 and praise, they are performing an active magic. They are 535 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.079 directionalizing their will. They are calling themselves, they are communicating 536 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.160 with their higher self, or they represent that as a God, 537 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.079 a saint, a prophet, and they communicate with it. So 538 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.720 when we focus all of our attention on those images 539 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.480 at the halftime show or at the Grammys or wherever, 540 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.960 we're not just being sold products. We're not just being 541 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:55.519 sold ideas. We're being sold belief systems. And it's not 542 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.279 the NFL necessarily, and it's not the broadcaster necessarily, and 543 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:01.880 it's not the compan you that sponsors it. It's a 544 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:05.000 handful of people who set up the halftime show. It's 545 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.079 a handful of people who do the wardrobe. It's a 546 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.680 handful of people who set up the Grammys. And this 547 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:16.000 is to answer your question and to summarize. When you 548 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:20.920 look at the Grammys, the Sam Smith Kim Petra performance 549 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.839 was just it was cartoonish, it was laughable, it's not scary, 550 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.240 it's not shocking. I said what would be when my 551 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.640 show recently, I said, what would be shocking is if 552 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.240 they had like they had like one of the grams, 553 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:35.839 like Billy Graham, I think of his son, they had 554 00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:38.200 him come out and do a prayer. That would be shocking. 555 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.880 It's not shocking to see to see the cartoonish devil. 556 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:46.359 But what is shocking to me is that while everybody's 557 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.200 looking at the devil horns and the flames, which I 558 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.079 think they saved from Billie Eilish's performance, and the woman 559 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.119 in a cage or she's not a woman, I guess 560 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:59.119 she's transgender, but the person in the cage beyond that though, 561 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:01.839 one thing most people don't notice is that they had 562 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.319 Sam Smith the whole time standing inside of a big 563 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:08.319 white circle, literally the same exact white circle. I don't 564 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:10.559 know if it's the same physical circle, probably not, but 565 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.640 it's the same idea that they've used the directors and 566 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.240 producers of the halftime show the Super Bowl have used, 567 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.480 like Lady Gaga, for example, when she was playing the 568 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.839 piano at the halftime show, they put her inside of 569 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.960 a giant white ring. That white ring is a magic circle, 570 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.319 and it protects the magician. You can find this in 571 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:32.319 any historical text about magic. The magic circle protects the 572 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:35.720 magician from what's being summoned in the center of the 573 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:40.039 circle or the magician you Sometimes this happens in magic. 574 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.359 Usually you don't do it around yourself. That you could 575 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:44.960 draw the circle around yourself and then you would be 576 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.000 protected from anything on the outside. So the fact that 577 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.079 Sam Smith is in the middle of the magic circle 578 00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.160 dressed like the devil, it's cartoonish, it's a joke. People 579 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.880 either find it super offensive or they're super into it. 580 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.839 But the middle ground there, once again is the people 581 00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:02.640 that set this up. And I'm not talking about Sam Smith. 582 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.119 He looks like a pond who's abused by the industry. 583 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.519 Like all the others. The people that set it up 584 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.319 know what they're doing. The people that tune into the Grammys, 585 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.519 the people that tune into the halftime show. Whether it's 586 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:14.599 people like us that want to watch it and dissect it, 587 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.079 or it's people that believe it, or it's the Christians 588 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.680 who just like the social justice warriors and activists, they 589 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.319 want to be offended. For Christ every day we pay 590 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.519 attention to it with our energy and currency, and that 591 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.200 goes in to the symbols and to the talismans, and 592 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.920 to whatever it is that the few people who set 593 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.599 it up are trying to conjure and summon. That I 594 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:38.319 think is the underlying the underlying reality of what we're 595 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.759 looking for when we do the dissecting or we do 596 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:43.920 the analysis. It's not the deli horns, it's not somebody 597 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.319 throwing up a hand sign. Those are I don't want 598 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.759 to call them distractions, but those are misleading things that 599 00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.039 they use because they know that people will pay attention 600 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:53.799 and talk about it, and then they make more money 601 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.319 from that. What really is important, I think, is the 602 00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.599 underlying thing of let's say the magic circle, the underlying 603 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.000 seam of what's in the song that Sam Smith was singing, 604 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.400 something unholy, it's the body shop. What's the body shop? Well, 605 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:10.039 traditionally anything satanic or evil, Like if you watch the 606 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.200 movie Event Horizon, they just take hell as a place 607 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.400 where people's eyes are ripped out, their bodies are ripped 608 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.880 apart and sewn back together like it looks like their 609 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.880 ribs are ripped open. It's just gross body horror. While 610 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.599 that's precisely what we would describe as satanic. It's an 611 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.640 inversion of man created in God's image, and to create 612 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.200 in the devil's image, you have to destroy God's image. 613 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.440 It's taking. And for the record, I'm a circumstantialist when 614 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.759 it comes to abortion, but when we're talking about abortion, 615 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.599 most abortions are performed by cutting the baby into pieces 616 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.000 and then sucking them out with a vacuum. That is 617 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.160 body horror in the sense of the body shop, and 618 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.079 it's extremely unholy. The child is the greatest gift from God, 619 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.480 the greatest thing you can do for the devil, and 620 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.519 as an obscendity to God, as a rejection of God, 621 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:57.200 is to kill that child. This is ritualistic, it's sacrificial, 622 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.160 and those are the things that make it satanic, not 623 00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.119 the double horns in my view. 624 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:09.280 Yeah, right on. Now, you mentioned celebrities abuse from the 625 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:14.159 system and from Hollywood and what they're involved with. It 626 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:18.480 makes me love wonder to the levels of what type 627 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:23.239 of abuse or even mind control programs that these celebrities, 628 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:26.760 especially the ones that haven't been involved in Hollywood for 629 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.760 a long time since childhood, have been subjected to. I mean, 630 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:34.679 it's kind of hard to deny that they are subjected 631 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:39.320 to some pretty crazy programming when you see the level 632 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:43.920 of them breaking at certain times. And we've seen this 633 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.639 time and time again with celebrities just all of a 634 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.440 sudden going crazy, acting completely out of character. And we've 635 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.519 seen this lately a lot more lately just putting out ominous, 636 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.039 crazy videos that don't make sense, and it seemingly like 637 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:03.280 they're break some kind of programming, are just losing their 638 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.760 shit completely after years of abuse from Hollywood. But what 639 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:07.639 do you think about that? 640 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.000 This is another You're asking all my favorite questions. So 641 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.800 this is another great topic, and this is part of 642 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.920 what we've been discussing already, of course, but I've been 643 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.119 on the secret teaching. To anybody who's listened to my 644 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.079 show for any amount of time, you would probably recall 645 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.679 that for about a decade or so now, I've been 646 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.400 talking about Britney Spears and how Britney Spears has handlers 647 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.199 that control every aspect of her life. And then when 648 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.400 it finally came out in court, I sat there shocked 649 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:41.320 that it was finally acknowledged, and some people I knew 650 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.199 were like, oh my god, did you hear about Britney Spears. 651 00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.760 I was like, yeah, it doesn't make me special. I've 652 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.119 I've been talking about it for so long, really obvious. 653 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.039 The same thing that was happening to her for all 654 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.760 those years where they put her on not only on 655 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:58.239 drugs like downers to keep her from asking too many questions, 656 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.639 from having too much energy, just keep her for meeting 657 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.079 keeper kind of lethargic, but they also put her on 658 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:08.440 birth control, which I found really interesting because they they apparently, 659 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:12.239 according to Britney Spears, according to what was said in court, 660 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:17.519 she was having they had control over her sexuality. So 661 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.000 they were bringing the boyfriend she would have with. The 662 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.760 people she would have relationships with were the ones that 663 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.199 her handlers, which included her dad, would select for her. Now, 664 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.159 the thing about that that that stood out to me, 665 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.360 and this relates directly to your question, is the fact 666 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:34.599 that when you go and you read that book that 667 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.119 Kathy O'Brien wrote, I don't know if you've ever read 668 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:41.159 that book, Transformation of America, she was she was. She 669 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.239 claimed she was in mind control sexual abuse type programs 670 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.920 of the federal government. She mentioned names from Dick Cheney 671 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.599 to to Senator Byrd to Hillary Clinton and everybody in between, 672 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:57.119 Republican and Democrat, and she said that she was used 673 00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.360 as basically a sex slave. Her daughter was room to 674 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.519 be this that used them to transmit information. They used 675 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.679 them to for I guess for diplomats and for you know, 676 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.639 there's high level powerful stuff. There's basically a sex slave. 677 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.880 And this is precisely what Britney Spears went through, according 678 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.480 to her own testimony, and according to finally the court 679 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.559 granted her leave from the conservatorship. From what I understand 680 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.960 last time I checked that she got out of that. 681 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.239 That story of Britney Spears is the epitome of every 682 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:34.079 other major celebrity, largely women, like everybody from Miley Cyrus 683 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.400 who I mean that that girl has been so abused 684 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.400 and so traumatized on the surface, I can't imagine what 685 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.079 goes on behind the scenes. Amanda Binds, the girl that 686 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.719 had all the Nickelodeon show, The Amanda Show. She claims 687 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.480 people thought she's crazy, and he loves her until she says, actually, 688 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.519 they put a microchip in my brain to control my 689 00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.159 thoughts and actions and all. That's so crazy. And then 690 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.840 Amanda Binds disappeared, and yeah, and heard anything from her. 691 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.119 She's into drugs or some weird stuff. Now, it's the 692 00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.079 same thing with all these celebrities. So whether it's a 693 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:10.320 breakdown of programming or by programming, we're talking about sexual abuse, 694 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.639 drugs and monitoring and watching everything they do. Like Britney 695 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.039 Spears couldn't even get undressed and change her clothes. Her 696 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.719 dad and her handlers would watch her. She didn't even 697 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:23.920 have a door on her room, and they'd have people 698 00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:27.320 come over and do experiments on her. This is all 699 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.800 official stuff, So what happened to her? Miley Cyrus is 700 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.000 another good example that comes to mind, but virtually any 701 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.920 of these people in the music and entertainment industry that 702 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.119 have that level of influence and power. I mean, Billie Eilish, 703 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.800 I can't wait to see in a morbid way, I 704 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.840 can't wait to see what comes out that they've been 705 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:46.800 doing to her. It's the same kind of a thing. 706 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.119 So in terms of initiation or in terms of mind 707 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.440 control or whatever it is that we're alluding to here, 708 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.159 that story of Britney Spears is a great example, but 709 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.800 it permeates all throughout the industry. It's I don't think 710 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.440 it's like a specific holt in a specific you know, 711 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.000 form of worship. It's just about power and control and domination, 712 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:08.880 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. If that makes sense. 713 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.320 Yeah, in a way, Kanye was trying to say this, 714 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.800 Maybe not in the best way that he should have, 715 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.960 but I think in a way he might have escaped 716 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.920 some of this madness and been trying to warn in 717 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:21.719 a terrible way. 718 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.000 You saw his Well, so there's the other thing about 719 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.079 Kanye to the trainer messages, used to see the messages 720 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:30.199 send him. 721 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:31.960 That's what That's what made me think when you were 722 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:32.559 just talking. 723 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.880 Yeah, yeah, I think he was correct me if I'm wrong, 724 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:41.320 But he was like Canadian intelligence or something or special operations. 725 00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:42.440 He was like military something. 726 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:43.400 Ye I don't remember. 727 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.039 Off the top of my head. I can't recall, but 728 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.800 I think he was. It was like Canadians, uh uh, 729 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:54.320 special operations or something. But anyway, Yeah, he he had 730 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:58.239 texted Kanye that if he doesn't shape up, that they're 731 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.400 gonna drug him and they're gonna send him I forget 732 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.239 the word he use, something like they're gonna send him 733 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.400 back to like Wonderland or something. He'll never ask questions again. Yeah, 734 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.199 well that's I mean. People are now defending the Trainer 735 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.320 that's the media. They've got people defending the train, and 736 00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.400 we don't know if those texts are real. Okay, well, 737 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.280 even if those texts aren't real, we have the nine 738 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.480 to one one tape, and we have the all the 739 00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.320 evidence of Kanye when he had his quote unquote breakdown 740 00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.679 when he told his audience years ago that Google and 741 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:27.400 Apple and everybody lied to them. And then suddenly he 742 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.320 has a breakdown, and I think it was his doctor 743 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.360 calls nine one one and he's gonna have access he 744 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.639 might have access to guns. We got to stopping put 745 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.039 him on drugs, and he goes into the rehab and 746 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.239 then he comes out and he's got that dyed blonde 747 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.960 hair and he's got that glassy look in his eye. 748 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.400 God knows what they did to him. He'd be lucky 749 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.280 if they just gave him a lobotomy. God knows what 750 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.920 they did to drug deam or whatever they did. But 751 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.000 he came out of rehab looking like all the other 752 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.480 alter egos. I mean. Think of Miley Cyrus. She played 753 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.800 a girl on a TV show where she was a 754 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.840 real person, but then when she became the celebrity Miley 755 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.960 Cyrus or Hannah Montana, she put on the blonde wig. 756 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.320 It's the same thing. It's the Marilyn Monroe syndrome, if 757 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.760 you will. Eminem's alter ego is slim shady. It's the 758 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.559 blonde hair. He says that in a song, all shady 759 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.639 is is a bottle of hair bleach and vodka. And 760 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.480 it's the same thing with Kanye West. He comes out 761 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.159 with the blonde hair. There's something more to that. I 762 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.920 can't necessarily give you every detail because I don't know, 763 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:26.119 but there's something more to that. I just saw a 764 00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:30.880 silly story about Madonna claiming that she's like she's claiming victim. 765 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.400 She said, all the comments I got after I introduced 766 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.960 that Grammy performance, this is the sam Smith One, the 767 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.840 Devil One, the Unholy Song. She said, all the all 768 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.480 the comments I got there, they were misogynists and agists 769 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.079 and people just don't like women that are powerful or strong. 770 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.199 So she I read that article and I was thinking, 771 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.400 what a joke. This woman is such a joke. Then 772 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.400 I realized that she got those comments after she had 773 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:57.880 introduced that performance. I didn't know that because I didn't 774 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.679 actually watch the Grammys. So then I I was like, Okay, 775 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.760 this is interesting. Let me look at it and I 776 00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.880 just read the story and then I saw the picture 777 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.239 of her, and I couldn't help them think, Okay, there's 778 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.280 something weird going on here. The way they had her 779 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.320 hair done. Everybodys talking about her face, and she's got 780 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.119 botox and plastic, but the way they had her hair 781 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:18.480 done was almost in a It was abraided, almost like 782 00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:22.960 Ram's horn, and it looked. This doesn't necessarily have to 783 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.800 mean anything, but it just reminded me of the Ruth 784 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.199 Bader Ginsburg statue on top of the New York State 785 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:34.679 Supreme Courthouse, which was like I talked about that like 786 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.599 two weeks ago, about how the statue was erected by 787 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:41.599 this artist. It's a symbol, supposedly, and for times sake, 788 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.440 I'll try to summarize this quickly. The Ruth Bader Ginsburg 789 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:48.960 statue that has the tentacle arms, it doesn't even have arms, 790 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:52.000 it's got tentacles, lovecraft like tentacles, and it has these 791 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.360 rams horns on its head or what looked like rams horns, 792 00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.880 and the hairdoo of Madonna at the Grammy's looks really 793 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.840 similar to that hair due that they gave Ruth Bader Ginsburg. 794 00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.599 So I started thinking, Okay, well, I'm going to try 795 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.639 to put a show together on this because I find 796 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.440 at the very least we can start with Madonna's name. 797 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.519 What does Madonna mean? Ma is the mother principle, like 798 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.119 lady Gouga says rah Ma Gaga God. That's firewater child 799 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.400 or father mother child, rah Ma Gaga God the trinity. 800 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.920 So Ma the universal mother principle. And Donna is another 801 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.559 name for Diana or any of these other goddesses. So 802 00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:30.400 Ma Donna literally means mother goddess. And I thought that's 803 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:32.639 just that came to my mind. I thought that's interesting 804 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:35.559 because the Ruth Bader Ginsburg statue is supposed to invoke 805 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.000 the power of women while officially being a symbol or 806 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.679 an homage to abortion, which is weird because the essence 807 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:44.800 of what makes a woman a woman is the ability 808 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:47.079 to give birth and the ability to have this kind 809 00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:49.840 of strength. So if they're putting up a statue that's 810 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.480 supposed to be about women and powerful women, but it's 811 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.199 a symbol, the Ginsburg one is a symbol of abortion, 812 00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:01.760 how does that work for quickly? For example, underneath of 813 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.280 that statue, they have Ruth Vader Ginsburg with her tentacle arms. Literally, 814 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.360 if you haven't seen this, they're livingly Lovecraft tentacles. She's 815 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.320 standing on a lotus flower, and the lotus flower is 816 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:17.519 a symbol of the spirit conquering matter, but the statue 817 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.840 is a symbol of abortion, which is matter conquering spirit. 818 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.039 So they've inverted it. And that's what I started thinking. 819 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.239 There's another statue across the street from the Supreme Court 820 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.639 building in New York that has it's the same features. 821 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.079 It's basically the exact same statue the same artist did, 822 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:35.960 and it has a name on it. This is like 823 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.639 the official description. It has a name on it that 824 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.840 is meant to invoke, like a gullum, the power of Eve, 825 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.280 the Universal Mother. But then they're distorting the Universal Mother. 826 00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.719 So if you distort the Universal Mother, you don't get 827 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:57.159 a feminine force of good and life and creation. You 828 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.320 get the opposite. And the Jews have a name for this. 829 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.800 It's called Lilith. There's a character named Lilith. She goes 830 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:04.800 by a bunch of other names, but she was She's 831 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:07.880 an inversion of the Universal Mother. She doesn't give birth 832 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:13.639 to mankind, she aborts mankind. She doesn't provide companionship for man, 833 00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.320 she is a succubus. She's like the first succubus. So 834 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:20.039 I started thinking, that's what they're invoking with those statues. 835 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.960 And they have Madonna here at the Grammys introducing an 836 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.719 unholy song, the song Unholy but the body Shop and 837 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.920 this cartoonish satan, but it still has deeper meaning. And 838 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.039 she's got the same hairdoo, and people are talking about 839 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.039 her face and she says, oh my, it's agism and misogyny, 840 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.079 and I stopped, Hold on a second. You're literally trying 841 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.320 to reverse the aging process. That's kind of agism. Women 842 00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.679 think you look weird that how's that misogyny? So you're 843 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.039 playing victim and trying to stay relevant. And she probably 844 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.039 didn't do her own hair. Someone else did it, the 845 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.039 same people probably that set up the magic circle on stage. 846 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:57.199 So Madonna. I called her the black Madonna because what 847 00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:01.119 she represents, just like those Ginsburgh Ginsburg statue and just 848 00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.840 like the Eve statue in New York, she represents an 849 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:08.639 inversion of the universal guiding, motherly nurturing principle, and the 850 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.559 opposite of that, of course, is unmotherly. It's the other 851 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.559 mother from that movie car line, the pale faced plastic 852 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.440 porcelain demon called the bad lum or, it's the hologast or, 853 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.199 it's the slender Man, it's the rake, whatever you want 854 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.639 to call it. It's an otherworldly force that wishes to, 855 00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.280 in more than one way, is abort mankind. It wants 856 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.360 to destroy all the things that are good. And once again, 857 00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.760 that's what we could call Satanism, or in the case 858 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.920 of Madonna, I would call her the Black Madonna for 859 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:39.960 what she symbolizes and represents. 860 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.159 Right on now, I'm glad you mentioned the statues. Isn't 861 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:48.159 it so interesting how many new, very ominous types of 862 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:51.960 statues are popping up everywhere, not only that the destruction 863 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:56.880 of old statues to bring in some of these new ones. 864 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:01.480 And I find it very it was a coincidence. It 865 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:06.519 was quite an interesting coincidence that the the Georgia guidestones 866 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.079 were destroyed as well. So what do you think is 867 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:14.079 behind the the erecting of all these new types of 868 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.679 esoteric statues around the world. 869 00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:23.760 Well, on one level, people artists who I don't particularly 870 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.159 think are talented for one reason or another, because they're 871 00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:31.320 trans or they're whatever whatever they identify as, they get 872 00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.360 commissioned to put up the art. For example, I worked 873 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.000 at a very small grocery store, an organic grocery store, 874 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:38.719 when I lived in when I lived in New York, 875 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:41.639 and they hired an artist. They ended up actually being 876 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.000 a good artist, but they only hired the artists without 877 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.559 knowing about their art because they identified as trans. So 878 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.119 that that's on one level, that's part of the part 879 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.400 of the thing, part of the reason. But the main 880 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.719 reason is when you've had you know, the Summer of 881 00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:56.760 Love a few years ago, where they just burned down 882 00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.400 buildings and tore down statues, including in the city I 883 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.599 lived in in New York, they tore down the Frederick 884 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:07.000 Douglas statue, not knowing who Frederick Douglas was. So that 885 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.079 is what I would call Marxism. It's the destruction of 886 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:15.039 the four olds, traditions, beliefs, values, family, I mean, all 887 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.719 these things that make culture, that make civilization, that make 888 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.880 things good, and that give people a place to have 889 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.719 roots in a place to grow from. So on that level, 890 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:30.039 it's Marxism. And I mean even the hiring an artist 891 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.039 because of their gender or sex or identity is also Marxism. 892 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:37.440 It's class warfare. On another level, beyond that kind of 893 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.480 like the very small number of people that set up 894 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.119 the Grammys or the halftime show, and they put images 895 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.280 and certain things in certain places and have them, have 896 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.079 the artists do certain things at certain times because they're 897 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:51.719 like ritualists and they know what they're doing. I think 898 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.280 on that level what we see here from the Ginsburg 899 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.599 statue to the Grammys. I don't know what you're going 900 00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:59.519 to see at the super Bowl. I don't make predictions, 901 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.639 not see anything, but what I feel like is happening 902 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:09.039 is a re vitalization or a regeneration or a re 903 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:14.159 emergence of I don't want to say old religions, because 904 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:17.360 not all old religions or evil, like Shintoism is the 905 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.559 opposite of evil, but old school, old world religions, and 906 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:26.039 I'm not talking about paganism. Old world religions where priestly 907 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:29.400 classes from behind the scenes get to control the king 908 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.239 or the queen in our case, the president, where the 909 00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.880 priests have all the power like they did in Egypt, 910 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.360 the pharaoh had very little power. The priests have all 911 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.239 the power, and the priests make all the decisions. And 912 00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:46.159 as people become more numb and society becomes more degraded 913 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:50.559 than demoralized and immoral or a moral even behavior becomes 914 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:54.920 the norm, and we criminalize good people and decriminalize bad behavior. 915 00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.880 Then this is basically the re emergence or the rebirth 916 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:03.119 of a death cult or a cult of call it 917 00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:06.559 whatever you will, an old world religion which demands human 918 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.599 sacrifice in the name of it as a virtue, you know, 919 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:13.320 the Temple of Set or Satan or Hell or the 920 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.400 Church of the Devil, whatever they call themselves. They're suing 921 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:19.719 multiple states claiming they have a religious right to murder children. 922 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.400 Literally that There's are lawsuits in Idaho and Texas and 923 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:28.159 other states. So human sacrifice literally is the is a 924 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.760 sanctified thing. It is a thing that must be performed 925 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:35.639 to honor these priests or these gods and whatever it 926 00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.079 is that they believe. I don't know who they even are, 927 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:41.559 but the evidence is available from seeing how things function 928 00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:44.719 and work and talking about these statues. It's about making 929 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:49.280 the world ugly, it's about making everything depressing. And back 930 00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.800 to what you said about fear and anxiety, and that's 931 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.800 if you can keep people in those states, then people 932 00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.920 are not creative, people won't rebel, and people will just 933 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:05.360 accept the increasing mediocrity and think that it's normal, and 934 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.719 then eventually, on a funny note, you end up with 935 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.199 the movie Ideocracy, which is it kind of feels like 936 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:11.039 what we're living. 937 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:12.079 In one hundred percent. 938 00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.079 Man, if that makes it, hope, I hope that makes it. 939 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.519 It does, Yeah, it makes one hundred percent. Let's let's 940 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:24.000 talk about one of the other huge overlying agendas that 941 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.280 we're seeing that it becomes more and more obvious. It's 942 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.599 hard to deny when the the evidence keeps stacking up 943 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:35.400 that the eventuality of what they where they want us 944 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:40.119 to to go as a society is the merging of 945 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.719 the sexes and the merging of the sexes with technology. 946 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.480 And there seems to be this new type of religion 947 00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:54.159 of science and technology where we're supposed to blindly worship 948 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:58.679 and follow the gods of technology, and we are going 949 00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:04.280 to be a more technocratic and controlled society overall with 950 00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:08.880 this new type of perfect alchemical human that is neither 951 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:11.639 man nor woman. And this is you know, it sounds 952 00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:13.639 crazy to people if you first try and tell them 953 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.679 this for the first time, they'll, let's say, you're fucking nuts. 954 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:20.000 But after looking at all the evidence for years, it's 955 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.639 like there's no other direction that you could see that 956 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:24.639 they want us to go. 957 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.599 Okay, So first of all, it's very understandable. I mean, 958 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.119 just listening to what you said there, you do sound crazy. 959 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:33.960 And I said this the other night on another show 960 00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:36.599 I was on. I said everything I just said, I 961 00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.480 told the host everything I just said. I understand sounds crazy. 962 00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:42.079 I think I'm crazy listening to what I just said. 963 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.760 But when you sit down and you look at white papers, 964 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.400 for example, from Samsung, they have a white paper call 965 00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.800 and I forget the exact name. It's a pretty long title, 966 00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.639 but if you type in Samsung six G white paper 967 00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:58.920 pdf something to that effect, you should be able to 968 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.400 pull it up there. It's like twenty five thirty pages, 969 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.559 maybe up the top of my head. But it's about 970 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.519 six G technology, which has nothing to do with cell phones, 971 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.960 nothing to do with Internet connections. And in the document 972 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.320 they say they are building six G by twenty thirty, 973 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.599 which is the marker for Google and everybody else, and 974 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:24.320 that it will include digital immersive, extended reality holograms of 975 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.760 your favorite people and your favorite places. And this is 976 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:31.000 beyond the metaverse. That's just an introduction, but this is 977 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:34.880 what Samsung's building, and you read through the document and 978 00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.480 this is not my opinion, this is not my point 979 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.719 of view, This is not me trying to reach and 980 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:47.079 make connections. In the document, they literally describe the basic 981 00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:49.679 plot from the Matrix films where they say you will 982 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:53.079 be plugged into the system. And the scariest thing about 983 00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:56.239 this document is Samsung says the whole system that you're 984 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.079 plugged into will be controlled by machines. This is what 985 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.320 Samsung is. I'm not writing it. So unless you've read 986 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.840 a document like that, you're one hundred percent right. You 987 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.920 sound absolutely crazy, You sound absolutely nuts. But the other 988 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:10.719 thing is, even if you do read that and you 989 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.280 show that to somebody, oh it's just a one off, 990 00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:16.559 they don't actually mean that. Or this could actually be 991 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:18.440 a good thing, because a lot of people, when you're 992 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:22.679 confronted with such evil, or you're confronted with such ludicrousness, 993 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:25.880 your first reaction is to reject it and to deny it. 994 00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.159 But to answer your question, for times sake, if you 995 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.599 look up that document, or if people want to email me, 996 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.719 I have a copy of it. R D Gable at 997 00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.199 yahoo dot com or tst Radio at ProtonMail dot com, 998 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:41.760 I'll send you a copy, but it's Samsung DF white paper, 999 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.480 digital Hologram reality, something like that, and you should be 1000 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.280 able to pull it up. It's an official document from 1001 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:51.519 their website to answer your question thoroughly. That is the 1002 00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.760 the technical description what they're saying of the merger of 1003 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:55.679 Man in Machine. 1004 00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:01.880 Let's close on this d. The controlled narrative, I think 1005 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:08.320 is being controlled by non humans, not by mainly by 1006 00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:11.400 AI and by bots, and by a lot of the 1007 00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.840 social media programming that we have. We're interacting with with 1008 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.840 bots and AI on a daily basis, and I think 1009 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:24.000 that that is what is perpetuating a lot of the narratives. 1010 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:28.440 I think that the freethinkers, I think that people that 1011 00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.719 are questioning the narrative and waking up and are on 1012 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.920 the right side of history could be the majority, and 1013 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.320 we would never know it because of the controlled narrative. 1014 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:42.719 And I want to get your thoughts on if you 1015 00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.400 think that we could be or we could be reaching 1016 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.320 the majority, or if there is hope that we could 1017 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:52.519 have enough people to tip the scales on this madness eventually. 1018 00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.679 That's a really great question and I'm gonna answer it. 1019 00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.639 I'm gonna try to answer it in a way that's direct, 1020 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:01.480 but it's it might it's not a little indirect. So 1021 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.239 bear with me as I try to try to summarize 1022 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:09.360 this I feel, and if you talk to historians or sociologists, 1023 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.719 everything I've read and understand, it's pretty common, pretty much 1024 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.679 common sense. If you want to have a functioning society, 1025 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.159 if you want to have a functioning civilization, there are 1026 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.639 certain kinds of rules that you have to live by 1027 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.199 in society. For example, if you want to have decency, 1028 00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:26.519 you can't just walk down the street naked. You have 1029 00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:29.800 to have decency and obscenity walls and things like that, 1030 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.559 so people aren't just having sex on the street. You 1031 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.719 have to have some level of a rule of law 1032 00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:39.079 to prevent people from engaging in criminal behavior all the time. 1033 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.519 Because you want you to have a society of civilization 1034 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.199 that functions, you have to be safe. You have to 1035 00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.119 be able to you know, earn a living and have 1036 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:49.119 your family and your property, and kind of the ethos 1037 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.800 of what Western civilization is or what a lot of 1038 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.679 old school traditional Eastern civilization was before a lot of 1039 00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.840 you know, authoritarians took over, like in China. So just 1040 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:01.760 basic basics like if you want to have a functioning society, 1041 00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:05.440 you have to take things that are good and encourage them, 1042 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.960 and take things that are bad and discourage them. You 1043 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.199 don't want to encourage drug use, you want to discourage 1044 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.719 drug use, et cetera. But in our world today we 1045 00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.400 have kind of the opposite thing happening. Anything that is 1046 00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:22.519 even kind of perceived is good, whether that's religion or spirituality. 1047 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.960 I mean, in places like China, they literally will put 1048 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:29.920 you in jail, or they'll disappear you, take your organs, 1049 00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:33.400 and then kill you if you meditate or pray. In 1050 00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:35.800 certain parts, this is what happens to the ful on 1051 00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:39.920 Gong practitioners just for praying, because the state believes that 1052 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:42.519 they are God and there can be nothing higher than them. 1053 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.119 So in what we're seeing happening in regard to your question, 1054 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:50.280 is we're seeing the de incentivization of good behavior and 1055 00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.719 we're seeing the incentivizing of bad behavior. And that is 1056 00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:58.159 the antithesis of what makes a civil society. And so 1057 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.000 in terms of what people in terms of a percentage, 1058 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:03.679 I can't tell you a percentage, I don't know, But 1059 00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.480 the general theme of the question you're asking is something 1060 00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.519 I've thought a lot about, and I feel that maybe 1061 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.199 the best example is and for the record, I'm not 1062 00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.360 a don't I did not vote for and I did 1063 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.159 not support most of what Donald Trump did. I also 1064 00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:21.400 am definitely not a Democrat and definitely didn't support Hillary Clinton. 1065 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.039 But that's a great example because I know I knew 1066 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.760 people that were not on the surface Trump supporters, but 1067 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:30.400 when you talk to them, they're like, yeah, yeah, I 1068 00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.519 voted for Trump. I just didn't want to tell my family. 1069 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.960 And that is stunning to me. Will you apply that 1070 00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.719 to everything? I agree with you. I think most people, 1071 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.800 the average person feels I'm not talking about Trump, but 1072 00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.599 they feel what you and I are talking about tonight. 1073 00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.360 What Maybe they don't understand it or don't grasp the 1074 00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:53.800 bigger picture or or whatever, but they certainly see I 1075 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.400 think people I know personally a lot of people who 1076 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.559 are on the surface don't look like it, but underneath 1077 00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:00.760 and when you talk to them in private, they do agree. 1078 00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.559 It's just not popular or trendy to be good or 1079 00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.960 to be kind. It's not popular or trendy to be spiritual. 1080 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:11.239 It's not popular or trendy to be any of the 1081 00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:15.960 things that go along with those kinds. Of behaviors or thoughts, etc. 1082 00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.960 But it's trendy to do the opposite. So what they've 1083 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:24.719 done is they've made bad behavior, evil actions, etc. Something 1084 00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:27.480 that you should if you want social credit, you have 1085 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:32.239 to support them. But to answer your question simply, certainly, 1086 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.440 there are a lot of people and I think the majority, yes, 1087 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:36.760 that disagree with that, but in order to fit in, 1088 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.320 they choose to act the opposite. 1089 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:44.320 Great answer, Man, We're living in incredible times and we're 1090 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.639 definitely going to have to do this very soon again 1091 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.519 the future. Ryan. Before you head out, let the audience 1092 00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:53.039 know where they can find The Secret Teachings, social media, 1093 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:54.480 everything else you got going on. 1094 00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.719 Yes, I don't really use a lot of social media, 1095 00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.440 so it might look like I just started my accounts, 1096 01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:05.159 but you can find me on Twitter, tst Underscore, Underscore Radio, 1097 01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.079 and on Facebook at facebook dot com, forward Slash the 1098 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.079 Secret Teachings. I'm sort of antiquated by intention in what 1099 01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.280 I do, so I don't have a huge web presence, 1100 01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:18.440 but my website is www dot the Secret Teachings dot info. 1101 01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:21.320 My archive is there for free or anywhere else you 1102 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.519 listen to radio shows, podcasts, or if you want to 1103 01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:27.280 get the ad free show, and you get my digital 1104 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.679 books and montages and all that. You can subscribe on 1105 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.920 the same website, the Secret Teachings dot info. Lastly, my 1106 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.920 books if you're interested in what we discuss tonight, my 1107 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.840 books at Caltdarcana, The Technological Elixer and Liberty Shrugs and 1108 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.000 that's my new one. Those are all on the website. 1109 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.480 You can grab copies of them at the Secret Teachings 1110 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.599 dot info and otherwise. If you want to listen to 1111 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:51.679 my show Monday through Friday on ground zero Radio right 1112 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.440 after Clyde Lewis, you can find at ground zero dot Radio, 1113 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:57.599 or you know, if you're on the Aftermath FM website 1114 01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.360 you can find it as well. And that is pretty 1115 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.119 much all I can tell you about me. I really 1116 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:03.719 appreciate you having me on the show, and I think 1117 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.320 we covered a lot and I hope your audience really 1118 01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:06.719 enjoyed it. 1119 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.639 I know I did it excellent. Yes, I had a 1120 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.440 great time. We'll definitely have to do it again soon. 1121 01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:14.760 Until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We will 1122 01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:17.119 be talking again tomorrow and we'll see you today. I 1123 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.079 want to welcome Rizwan Vik. He is a successful entrepreneur, 1124 01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:26.519 venture capitalist video game pioneer, best selling author, and indie 1125 01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:30.400 film producer. He is founder of Play Labs at MIT 1126 01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:35.480 and Bayview Labs at Silicone Valley Investment Fund, and he 1127 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:40.440 is a mentor and advisor at five hundred startups, Griffin 1128 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:45.719 Gaming Partners, Ridge Ventures, and the MIT one hundred K 1129 01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:51.000 Entrepreneurship Competition. Riz welcome, How you doing. 1130 01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:55.559 Great to be on the show with you doing pretty well. 1131 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:57.719 I'm here in sunny Arizona at the moment. 1132 01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:00.639 Awesome, man, Thank you so much for joining. This is 1133 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.639 one I've really been looking forward to. This is one 1134 01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.719 of those topics and possibilities that it haunts me on 1135 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:09.880 a daily basis. The possibilities of are we in some 1136 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.599 kind of holographic simulated reality a karmic video game? Are 1137 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:18.559 we energetic food for aliens or ai? Are maybe a 1138 01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.480 little bit of all those possibilities? Are none of those? 1139 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:23.880 This is going to be great to get into. I've 1140 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:26.000 got so many rabbit holes that we could jump into. 1141 01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:30.960 Your books, Simulation hypothesis, and the simulated multiverse explore all 1142 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.360 of these possibilities and more. Before we get into it, 1143 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:36.840 though this is your first time on, tell the audience 1144 01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.800 a little bit about your background and what led you 1145 01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:41.239 to write about these topics. 1146 01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.199 Sure, so, you know, my background is as a computer 1147 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:51.280 scientist and as you know, an engineer and an entrepreneur 1148 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:56.039 in the software industry. And I actually created a number 1149 01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:58.960 of software companies and then moved into the video game 1150 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.360 industry and was working on creating a bunch of different 1151 01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.639 video games, including one that was near the top of 1152 01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:09.519 the Apple App Store almost a decade ago now. And then, 1153 01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:12.039 you know, after I sold my last video game company, 1154 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:16.000 I became an investor and advisor to lots of startups 1155 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:19.679 that build three D technology. I ran an accelerator at 1156 01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:23.159 MIT called play Labs for a couple of years, which 1157 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:26.599 was about virtual reality and augmented reality. And you know, 1158 01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:30.840 that was around the time that I started to play 1159 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.719 with different VR devices, and there was there was a 1160 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:36.639 moment when I was playing a ping pong game using 1161 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:41.320 the old HTC vive headsets, which are more than five 1162 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:45.639 years old now, which is an eternity in tech these days, 1163 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:47.960 and I was playing this ping pong game and it 1164 01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:51.440 was so realistic that for a moment I forgot I 1165 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.039 was in virtual reality, so much so that I tried 1166 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:55.880 to put the paddle down on the table, and I 1167 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.239 tried to lean against the table, and of course there 1168 01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:00.599 was no table, it was just a virtual world table, 1169 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:03.599 and so the controller I had in my hand fell 1170 01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:06.119 to the floor. I almost, you know, fell over, and 1171 01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.159 I caught myself, and I said, oh wow, our VR 1172 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:12.800 tech is getting so good that soon we'll be able 1173 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:14.840 to fool ourselves. I mean, for me, it was only 1174 01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:17.360 for a moment, but soon as the tech gets better, 1175 01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.400 we'll be able to fool ourselves into thinking that we 1176 01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:23.280 are in physical reality when we're actually in the virtual reality. 1177 01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.480 So that was one of the main emphasises for writing 1178 01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:29.920 the first book, The Simulation Hypothesis, where I laid out 1179 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.840 this this idea of the simulation point, which is a 1180 01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.480 point at which we can create basically matrix like video 1181 01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:40.840 game simulations, and I laid out the ten stages of technology. 1182 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.440 So it started as a thought experiment, but then it 1183 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:45.840 also tied to a lot of other areas that I 1184 01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.559 had been exploring, you know, I wrote it. My first 1185 01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:50.440 book was called Zen Entrepreneurship. So while I was doing 1186 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:53.119 my very first startup, you know, way back in the nineties, 1187 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:57.760 I was writing about meditation and exploring consciousness and dreams 1188 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.800 and lucid dreams and auto body experience. I went to 1189 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:03.639 the Monroe Institute, so you know, I had this kind 1190 01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:06.639 of parallel double life, if you will, where during the 1191 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.440 day I was kind of your respected tech guy and 1192 01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:12.719 an entrepreneur and investor, and in the evenings and weekends, 1193 01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:14.960 I'd be jetting off and trying out, you know, different 1194 01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:20.400 different techniques. And I found, you know, looking at synchronicity 1195 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.400 and how it might work. I had a book called 1196 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:25.960 Treasure Hunt, which is all about synchronicity, but simulation theory 1197 01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.639 was the first kind of both a metaphor and an 1198 01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:32.320 underlying model of reality that I think was able to 1199 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.599 bridge the gap between these worlds. And it's something I 1200 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.880 can talk to with scientists, I can talk to in 1201 01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:42.519 Silicon Valley, with technologists and investors, I can talk to 1202 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:44.880 religious people, and I can talk to people in that 1203 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:49.719 kind of New Age meditation, even the UFO community. So 1204 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:53.039 it was this kind of underlying metaphor that explained for 1205 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.239 really everything that I'd been exploring in my life, including 1206 01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:58.159 the work I've been doing in video games. So that 1207 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:01.039 was what led me into you down the rabbit hole, the. 1208 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.719 First excellent man. Yeah, now, you explore, like you were saying, 1209 01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:09.719 many different aspects of what this reality could be, and 1210 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.840 one of those is ancient spiritual texts and what those 1211 01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:18.960 could have possibly told us about the nature of our reality. Buddhism, Hinduism, 1212 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:21.800 these types of religions tell us that we live multiple 1213 01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:25.400 lives or playing different characters when we're coming back and 1214 01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:29.320 continuing to gain experience or what you'd call leveling up. 1215 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:33.199 So talk about some of the ancient spiritual traditions and 1216 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:36.400 texts that led you to some of this information. 1217 01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:40.920 Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, the subtitle of the simulation 1218 01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:45.719 hypothesis is the MIT Computer Scientist shows why AI, quantum 1219 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:48.599 physics and Eastern mystics all agree we are in a 1220 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:51.320 video game. And I put that last piece in there 1221 01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:53.280 because I didn't want it to be just a technology 1222 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:56.639 or a discussion. And you know, if you go back 1223 01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.079 to the Hindu Vedas, which are you know, among the 1224 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.400 the first known UH spiritual texts that have have now 1225 01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:06.639 been written down. Of course they were probably or oral 1226 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:09.639 texts in those days. UH. They talked very much about 1227 01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:14.000 the world being maya or an illusion. But if you 1228 01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:15.599 look at that term and you look at what does 1229 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:18.199 it actually mean in the Sanskrit term, it actually means 1230 01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:22.880 a carefully crafted illusion, and others have said this when 1231 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.719 I looked up the definition, where it's almost like if 1232 01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:28.360 you're there's a magic trick going on stage right, and 1233 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:30.960 they're giving this illusion so that it looks real to you. 1234 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:34.960 Yet it's a trick, and it's kind of known by 1235 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.800 both sides that it's a trick, but you can't really 1236 01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:40.239 see that it's a trick because they've you know, they've 1237 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.159 kind of diverted your attention. And then in the in 1238 01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:46.119 the hindu Vedas, they also talk about the Leela, which 1239 01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.039 is the play or the grand play of the gods 1240 01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:53.079 uh And I found that interesting for for for several reasons. 1241 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:56.239 You know, one because of this idea of the world 1242 01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:00.519 as a playground, but also this idea of a stage 1243 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.360 play where you get when you play right. If you 1244 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.800 go back to Shakespeare's time, actors were called players, right, 1245 01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:10.559 and there's that famous group by Shakespeare all the worlds 1246 01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:13.239 of stage, and the men and women merely players who 1247 01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:16.319 get on and you know, they play their part, they 1248 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:19.880 struck their stuff, et cetera. And so it turns out 1249 01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:23.079 this metaphor has been around for for a long time, 1250 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.560 and so the ancient texts talk about the world being 1251 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:31.399 like a dream. Within Buddhism, that's actually a particularly powerful metaphor, 1252 01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:33.880 that the world is like a dream and when you 1253 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.239 wake up, it's when you die. You wake up and 1254 01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:38.680 you realize, oh, that was just a dream, and you 1255 01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:41.680 have that same experience that you had, you know, in 1256 01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:43.279 the morning, when you wake up, you're like, man like, 1257 01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:45.079 like last night, you know, I had a strange dream 1258 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:46.680 last night. I was like, oh, am, I glad that 1259 01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:51.000 wasn't real. And so the dream metaphor is one that 1260 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:56.399 is carried throughout various traditions. And so these metaphors are 1261 01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:59.000 the way in which the ancient spoke to us about 1262 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.920 the underlying nature of reality in Islam, it turns out 1263 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:05.800 in the Qur'an. And I actually didn't even know this 1264 01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.359 till after I had written the book, which is interesting 1265 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:10.920 because you know, I grew up in a Muslim household. 1266 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:12.680 I was born in Pakistan, but even though I grew 1267 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.439 up in Michigan. And you know, one of the lines is, 1268 01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:19.119 you know, there's like three different verses that say much 1269 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.439 the same thing, which is that we have created this 1270 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:25.960 world for you as a diversion as a game as 1271 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:31.159 a pastime, right, And so within Islam, Christianity, and even Judaism, 1272 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.039 there's this idea of the here, the here and now, 1273 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.479 and the hereafter, right, and so there's this this element 1274 01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:40.359 of the physical world is there for a period of time, 1275 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:44.840 and it's been created for you to have these experiences, 1276 01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:48.920 and that you are being watched when you have these experiences. 1277 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:52.399 And so all of these ancient traditions seem to agree 1278 01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:55.479 on this basic idea, which is that the world is 1279 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:59.239 a type of illusion or a type of game. And 1280 01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:02.279 in the Indian traditions, you know, there's obviously the idea 1281 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:06.119 of reincarnation where you go in, you live a life, 1282 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:07.800 and you come out, and well, that turns out you 1283 01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:09.640 don't need to do a lot of analogizing to a 1284 01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:11.680 video game. When I play a video game, I have 1285 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:16.399 an avatar in the game that person. That person plays 1286 01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:20.600 out their session or they end when the person dies, 1287 01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:23.279 or when I decide to end that particular play session, 1288 01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:25.960 I can I can save it, but then I can 1289 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.800 go back in and I can play again. And and 1290 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:33.880 so you know, this metaphor was particularly appropriate. You know, Yogananda, 1291 01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:37.279 who wrote autobiography of the Yogi whose you know book 1292 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:39.319 I'm actually writing a book about. We can talk about 1293 01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:42.359 that later, but you know, he said that birth and 1294 01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:44.880 death are like doors through which we go from one 1295 01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:48.119 dream to the next. Right, And so Yogananda came up 1296 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:52.800 with a new metaphor using new technology in the twentieth century, 1297 01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:55.520 and he said that, well, the world is like a 1298 01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:57.960 movie projector, because that was the new thing back then. Right, 1299 01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:59.880 you can go to the cinema, you had a projector, 1300 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:01.880 it would put light. And he said to the people 1301 01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:04.880 on stage, you know, they're actors. It looks like they're 1302 01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:07.800 being killed, but they're really not. They're not actually being hurt, 1303 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:10.560 and that we are like those And so, you know, 1304 01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:13.840 all of these metaphors I think are trying to tell 1305 01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:16.119 us something, and they try to speak in the language 1306 01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:18.680 of the times. And so two thousand years ago they 1307 01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:21.680 could always speak of the Book of Life, right, or angels, 1308 01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.439 because that was all we could talk about today. I 1309 01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:26.920 think if any of the ancient stages were alive today, 1310 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.760 they would say, we'd live in something that's like a movie, 1311 01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.680 but it's a script and there's multiple people playing parts, 1312 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.720 and each of us can change things by our choices 1313 01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:38.840 and we everything that happens is recorded. But what does 1314 01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:41.359 that sound like? It sounds like a video right? And 1315 01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.039 today you know on Twitch, you know, we have people 1316 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:47.319 who you know, stream their games, they record their games. 1317 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:50.079 I know, like my nephew and he was like only 1318 01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.319 like three or four years old. He would tell my brother. 1319 01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:54.239 He'd say, oh, I want to watch that man and 1320 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.520 that woman play Star Wars. Right, so he wanted to 1321 01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:58.560 go on YouTube. It wasn't he wanted to watch Star 1322 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.920 Wars in the movie or placed a video game. He 1323 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.520 wanted to watch a recording of these two people playing 1324 01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:07.560 a Star Wars multiplayer game. And so you know, we 1325 01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:10.199 do that all the time now with these three worlds 1326 01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:14.000 where we record those sessions. So that's some of the 1327 01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:19.199 ways in which it touches on these ancient spiritual ideas. 1328 01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:22.039 Yeah, and it would make so much sense. There's so 1329 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:25.800 many aspects of a reality that would point to this 1330 01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:30.359 is some sort of spiritual evolution type of realm, that 1331 01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:33.760 this is for us to develop ourselves, to develop our 1332 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:38.159 consciousness and to possibly level up along the way. What 1333 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:41.439 do you think about the possibilities that it is us 1334 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:44.359 controlling a lot of the aspects of what we would 1335 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:49.479 call spiritual experiences, paranormal experiences that us outside of this 1336 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:54.479 simulation still have control over our avatars. But maybe we're 1337 01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:57.039 not progressing as fast as we want to. So maybe 1338 01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:01.319 we throw ourselves a paranormal or profound spiritual experience to 1339 01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:03.520 help us get to that next level. What do you 1340 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:04.159 think about that? 1341 01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:08.640 Yeah, I think there's something to that, and not just 1342 01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:14.359 paranormal experiences, but even normal experiences sometimes that are unexpected 1343 01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:16.640 and that happen, and that kind of throw us off 1344 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.439 of our track that we thought we were on, because 1345 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:22.720 perhaps we're on the wrong track. And so you know, 1346 01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:24.960 when we play, people ask me what's the purpose of 1347 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:26.840 the simulation, and I say, well, why do we play 1348 01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:30.840 video games? Well, we play video games for slightly different 1349 01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:32.960 reasons that we run simulations. And we can talk about 1350 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:35.960 the simulation idea in the multiverseon minute, But we play 1351 01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:38.840 video games so that we can have experiences that we 1352 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.680 can't have outside the game. Right, So I can't necessarily 1353 01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:45.439 go flying on the dragon in this quote unquote physical reality, 1354 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:48.399 although I can't inside the virtual reality. And so I 1355 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:51.439 think the purpose of this video game is the same reason. 1356 01:13:52.159 --> 01:13:54.359 It's so that we can have experiences that are hard 1357 01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:58.039 to have outside and now what are those experiences? Right, Well, 1358 01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:02.680 those experiences may be emotional, may be good or bad experiences. 1359 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:07.079 You know, there there may be hardships, there may be disasters, 1360 01:14:07.159 --> 01:14:10.840 there may be wars, there may be injuries, there may 1361 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:12.800 be financial rules. So there's a lot of bad things 1362 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:14.159 that happened to us, and then there's a lot of 1363 01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:17.239 good things that happened to us, like with our relationships 1364 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:20.560 with people or with if we don't want to play 1365 01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:23.880 particular storylines, I feel like we all have certain storylines 1366 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.439 that we agree to before we come here. And like 1367 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:28.840 in my case, if you had asked me even in 1368 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:32.319 high school, what are you going to do as a career, 1369 01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:33.960 and I would tell you, well, I'm going to be 1370 01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:36.399 a computer software entrepreneur and then I'm going to be 1371 01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.279 a writer, right, And I kind of knew that at 1372 01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.640 some level, I was wrong about the years when I 1373 01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:45.640 would make that transition. You know, I thought I'd become 1374 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:47.840 an entrepreneur at the age of twenty eight, make millions, 1375 01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:50.079 and then go become a writer and you know, maybe 1376 01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:52.439 go and meditate in the Himalayas or something right after. 1377 01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:57.199 But I had the general kind of outline, right, But 1378 01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:00.399 and actually I did start writing my first book at 1379 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:02.359 the age of twenty eight, even though I didn't become 1380 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.920 a full time writer till much much later. But I 1381 01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:09.439 feel like we have these storylines, and then sometimes while 1382 01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:12.640 we're playing out these storylines, there are there are branches, 1383 01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:14.960 so you can take different branches, and you can make 1384 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:19.079 different choices, and sometimes, you know, we decide not to 1385 01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:21.800 take a branch, but then later we decided to pick 1386 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.239 up that branch. So so I feel like sometimes we 1387 01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:27.760 may need to be thrown off of the branch were 1388 01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:29.439 on because we were supposed to be doing X, Y 1389 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:32.159 and Z, and we got so distracted by the game 1390 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.000 that we were. And this happened to me because I 1391 01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:39.720 was spending a ton of time in the entrepreneurship and 1392 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.159 then I be Human Investor, and I was kind of 1393 01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:44.600 focused on that world, and the writing was a bit 1394 01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:46.079 of a hobby, and so I would do it, you know, 1395 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:48.479 when I had time. And and then I ended up 1396 01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:51.319 having some serious medical issues that came out of nowhere. 1397 01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:55.439 And the strong message I got during the recovery from 1398 01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.680 that I had from surgery, which took a long time 1399 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:00.680 to recover and I did and have a lot of 1400 01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:03.600 extra energy. But I had these visions where I was 1401 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:06.640 like interacting with these beings and they were telling me, well, 1402 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:08.800 you know, this is you know, to put you on 1403 01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:10.600 a different They were showing me like a chess board 1404 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:13.560 and like something like a chessboard with the different moves, 1405 01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:15.880 and they're like, well, okay, this is if this happened 1406 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.479 to go this way, and if that happens to go 1407 01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:19.359 that way. And so they were kind of explaining to 1408 01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:21.720 me that I was supposed to do more writing and 1409 01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:25.119 less business at that point in my life, because now 1410 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:27.039 I wasn't twenty eight, I was forty eight. It was 1411 01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.600 like twenty years later. I was still working on, you know, 1412 01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:34.239 business stuff, which was perhaps not my storyline. And so 1413 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:36.720 then I ended up in a situation where I didn't 1414 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.119 have enough energy to do all that business stuff, and 1415 01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.560 so I said, well, what's important between now and who 1416 01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:44.720 knows when we're going to end this game? Clearly this 1417 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:46.880 was something I set up for myself, so I focused 1418 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:49.600 full time on writing, and that's when I actually got 1419 01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:53.359 around finally writing simulation. I thought, this is finally publishing 1420 01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:55.359 the books on startups that I had been writing while 1421 01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:58.000 I'd been doing all this business stuff and then the 1422 01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:01.600 follow up as well. So so I mean, I know 1423 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:03.920 your question was about paranormal events, but I guess my 1424 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.560 point is, I think sometimes there are parts of us 1425 01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:08.840 that set up these events for ourselves, and I think 1426 01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:12.279 this is true with paranormal events as well. Like for example, 1427 01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:14.760 when I was doing my first startup and I write 1428 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:16.920 about this, I think I think I write about it 1429 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:20.399 in Zen Entrepreneurship and Treasure Hunt, which is about synchronicity 1430 01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:24.479 and dreams. I had a dream about, you know, this 1431 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:27.119 competitor of ours who I hadn't heard from in a year, 1432 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:30.279 and that competitor had sold to Lotus, which is IBM, 1433 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:33.279 a big part of IBM back at the time about 1434 01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:35.039 a year ago, and I never heard anything about them, 1435 01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:36.239 And I had a dream about this guy, and I 1436 01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:38.000 thought that was a weird. Why am I dream about 1437 01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:40.640 this guy now a year later? And then that morning, 1438 01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:42.000 as soon as I got the office, I got a 1439 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.199 call from IBM saying, oh, well, that guy you know 1440 01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:45.840 was part of our team and we just built this 1441 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:48.640 new product and it's going to compete against your product, 1442 01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:51.079 Like oh crap, okay, now we got this big giant 1443 01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:53.800 company that's going to compete with our lettle startup, right, 1444 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:55.399 But it was just odd that had happened in the 1445 01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:58.640 same morning. And so as I was exploring different reasons 1446 01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:01.079 for why that, you know, what happened here, I was 1447 01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.560 told that that was a demonstration between myself and my guides, 1448 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:08.159 let's say, the part of myself that's outside of the simulation, 1449 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:11.600 so that I didn't get too locked into this causality world, right, 1450 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:14.560 that I could see that there was something else going on, 1451 01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:16.760 and that the world is a bit like a dream. 1452 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:18.319 And so I do think we set up some of 1453 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:22.640 these paranormal experiences, you know, for ourselves, to help us, 1454 01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:25.479 to help us wake up, and to help us not 1455 01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.079 get too involved in the game, if you will, Lost 1456 01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:31.880 in the illusion is what most of us, or in 1457 01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:34.760 some sorrow, as you know, the Indians will say. 1458 01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:37.479 Yeah, I like how you put it. That it's our 1459 01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:40.800 guides or our higher self may be an aspect of 1460 01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:42.680 us that are guiding us through. And I want to 1461 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.359 talk about synchronicity for a minute, because this is something 1462 01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:50.960 that I've experienced in profound ways, not only with meditation 1463 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:54.880 and contact to what I understands my own higher self 1464 01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:58.319 and spirit guides which has guided me to where I 1465 01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:02.159 am today be able to doing what I'm doing full time. 1466 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:06.520 And it was a series of profound experiences and communications 1467 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:09.960 between me and what I understands my higher self in 1468 01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:16.600 combination with synchronicities and what I understand as manifestation and 1469 01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:21.359 positive thinking techniques to bring about manifestation and things like that. 1470 01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:26.159 It's just more aspects that point to that this reality 1471 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:31.640 has more of a programmable aspect than than we understand. 1472 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.720 Yeah, you know, I tend to agree. So I call 1473 01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:39.960 sucredicity and hunches and these visions that we have or 1474 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.840 these gut feelings that guide us at times. I call 1475 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:46.039 all of these clues right, and their clues on our 1476 01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:50.439 quest or our treasure hunt within our game. And where 1477 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:53.640 do these clues lead us? Sometimes they lead us, just 1478 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:55.880 like it with Indiana Jones and a treasure hunt. Right. 1479 01:19:55.880 --> 01:19:57.920 They don't tell him at the beginning of the movie, gain, 1480 01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.199 here's the Art of the Covenant, go get it right. 1481 01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:03.399 They usually give him a clue or here's the Holy Grail, right, 1482 01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:05.760 and he has to follow that clue and where does 1483 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:08.079 it take him to the next clue? And then that 1484 01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:10.239 takes him to the next clue and eventually that leads 1485 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:15.119 and that journey itself is part of the process. And so, 1486 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:17.439 you know, I think those clues are left for us 1487 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:22.199 by ourselves. And sometimes, you know, we have clues and 1488 01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:24.640 we have synchronicity, and we think there's something meaningful here, 1489 01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:28.000 but we're not exactly sure, you know, what it means, 1490 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:30.720 and so we have to interpret those clues like we 1491 01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:33.159 do with a dream. And sometimes the clue comes in 1492 01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:36.119 a dream and then you see that same thing later 1493 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:39.720 that day in the physical world. And so, you know, 1494 01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:43.520 the synchronicity is to scientists and engineers, they seem like, wow, 1495 01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:47.199 that's not distinguishable from magic. Right. Young defined it as 1496 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:51.239 a meaningful coincidence, but also as an a causal connection 1497 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:54.880 between two odds, two things. Right Usually we think of 1498 01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:58.239 it as an internal thing and an external thing and 1499 01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:01.560 how those things kind of relate to each other. Like 1500 01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:05.479 just the other day, I had a synchronicity where some 1501 01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:09.279 you know, somehow my book Treasure Hunt, which was published 1502 01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:12.960 by a group in London called Watkins, came up. And 1503 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.359 then I was thinking about when I went to London 1504 01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:17.600 and I went to the Watkins bookstore to the oldest 1505 01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:21.319 metaphysical bookstore probably in the world, certainly in London, from 1506 01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:23.680 like the eighteen nineties, and I gave a talk there, 1507 01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:25.920 and then just the other day a friend of mine 1508 01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:28.239 showed me a video clip from my talk there, which 1509 01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:30.079 I had, you know, was from five years ago, and 1510 01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.520 almost nobody sees that clip because it's pretty old. And 1511 01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:36.439 most people see my clips on the simulation hypothesis from 1512 01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:39.119 my talks at Google. And so there was a case 1513 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:43.119 where it came up like several times internally and externally. 1514 01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:45.239 And that's the case of what I call a repeating clue. 1515 01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:49.319 And so, you know, I was talking with Jacques Vallet, 1516 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.119 whom I'm sure you know from the UFO community, and 1517 01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:57.680 Diana Pasoka, who wrote American Cosmic, and you know, she 1518 01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:03.479 and he both talked about this idea of a technological synchronicity, 1519 01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:08.000 which is that perhaps in a simulated environment, it's much 1520 01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:11.399 easier for these things to be connected when you have information. 1521 01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:14.680 It's kind of like when I was shopping for a 1522 01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:17.960 backpack like the other day or last year, and then 1523 01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:20.199 I went on Facebook and there was an ad for 1524 01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:23.199 that exact same backpack. Now, if I didn't know that 1525 01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:26.439 there was a database behind the scenes that allowed for 1526 01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:28.319 this thing called the cookie. To me, that would look 1527 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.760 like magic, right. I mean, I happen to know, being 1528 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:33.600 in the computer science world, exactly how they did that. 1529 01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:36.199 But the same thing happens when we have a synchronicity 1530 01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:38.840 in the physical world. It might look like it's magic, 1531 01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:42.600 but there is some information connection on how these things 1532 01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:46.640 are stored and how they're presented to us. So it 1533 01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:49.479 is meaningful and it's not really a causal. It just 1534 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:52.239 looks like it's a causal. They actually do have a 1535 01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:55.399 cause and a purpose, and I think they're just steering us. 1536 01:22:55.399 --> 01:22:58.199 Like if you have ever seen that movie The Adjustment 1537 01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:01.520 Bureau with Matt Damon, and that's based on a Philip K. 1538 01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:04.279 Dick story. We can talk about Philip K. Dick later 1539 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:06.279 because he plays a big role in my second book. 1540 01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:10.319 But in that movie, they have these journals and they 1541 01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:12.399 have people going through different paths and they have to 1542 01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:16.079 like guide them. Right, these these entities they kind of 1543 01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:18.279 look like angels in the movie, not necessarily in the story. 1544 01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:21.199 They were just called the adjustment Team in the story. Uh. 1545 01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:23.439 And so it's almost like when we get off course, 1546 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:26.439 they have to guide us back and synchronicity, I think 1547 01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:27.720 is one of the ways that that happened. 1548 01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:31.479 All right on, now, you mentioned something about the difference 1549 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:34.920 between if this were more of a simulation and less 1550 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:39.159 of like an avatar video game situation, how the differences 1551 01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:41.720 would be, and to me it seems like we would 1552 01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:44.760 maybe have less control and it would be more of 1553 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:47.000 a pre program type of aspect. 1554 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:50.560 What do you think, Yeah, So what you're talking about 1555 01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:54.079 is what I like to call the NPC versus the 1556 01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:59.439 RPG versions of the simulation hypothesis. And in the NPC version, 1557 01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:02.039 which danser non player characters, which is a term from 1558 01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:04.479 the video game industry, and those are like the people 1559 01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:07.600 you fight, or the bartender, the bank teller, the people 1560 01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:10.600 you see in the game who are not avatars representing 1561 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.840 other players. They're just you know, code that runs in 1562 01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:17.000 the game. So the NPC versus the RPG, which is 1563 01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:22.159 the role playing game version where we are avatars. And 1564 01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:24.000 it turns out, you know, another way to think about 1565 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:28.319 this isn't the matrix in Neo and Morpheus with them 1566 01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:32.840 they were all avatars of themselves outside, So that was 1567 01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:37.680 primarily a role playing game version of the simulation hypothesis. 1568 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:41.720 Whereas Agent Smith and some of these others were NPCs, 1569 01:24:42.039 --> 01:24:44.600 but they didn't seem that they weren't necessarily the main 1570 01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:49.520 purpose of those And so it's not totally mutually exclusive. 1571 01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:52.000 I mean, you can if you play World of Warcraft, 1572 01:24:52.600 --> 01:24:56.000 excuse me, you can have player characters PCs, and you 1573 01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:58.319 can have non player characters who are like the ORCS 1574 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:00.760 or whatever it is that you're fighting at that moment 1575 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:04.880 in time. And so it's actually a continuum, perhaps in 1576 01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:07.920 my opinion. But now if we're NPC's, then it's more 1577 01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:11.479 like a simulation. And why do we run simulations? I 1578 01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:13.039 asked the question I heard, or why do we play 1579 01:25:13.119 --> 01:25:16.520 video games? Okay, why do we run simulations? We run 1580 01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:20.000 simulations to see what might happen, right like we might 1581 01:25:20.079 --> 01:25:22.720 run a simulation of the weather, you know, we might 1582 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:28.920 run a simulation of population growth or pandemics or et cetera. 1583 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.399 In fact, I saw I was on a show with 1584 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:36.079 William Shanner The Unexplained in the History Channel, and in 1585 01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:38.279 my segment, we were talking about simulations, and they showed 1586 01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:42.560 some video of the supercomputer in Japan that was trying 1587 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.760 to simulate how would people leave Tokyo in the case 1588 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.279 of an earthquake, so they had a very detailed threetom 1589 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:49.960 amount of tokyo, and they had all these these individual 1590 01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:53.640 you know people. In this case, we're just dots making 1591 01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:55.720 decisions about where to go. But they had a certain 1592 01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:58.319 rule they were following. And so we run simulations to 1593 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:01.640 see what is the most likely outcome and sometimes to 1594 01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:05.760 see what is the most optimal outcome. Now you might say, well, 1595 01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:10.159 we don't have control. Well, that true less control if 1596 01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:12.720 we're all NPCs. On the other hand, it depends on 1597 01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:15.279 the program and it depends on the amount of randomness. 1598 01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:20.000 So there's a whole class of mathematics and computer science 1599 01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:23.119 called complexity theory, and there's a branch of that called 1600 01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:26.680 chaos theory. And the whole idea of chaos theory is 1601 01:26:26.680 --> 01:26:31.560 that you have these very terministic processes, which are like fractals. 1602 01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:34.680 Fractals are very deterministic. They have a rule set, but 1603 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:36.840 you keep applying them again and again and you get 1604 01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:40.800 these very complex patterns and some of those processes go 1605 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:43.000 to the place that you know they're going to end up. 1606 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:47.000 It's called, you know, a stable process because it ends 1607 01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:51.199 up in that spot. But then there's chaotic and complex 1608 01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.119 processes and you don't know where those are going to 1609 01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:56.680 end up. So even if the case where you just 1610 01:26:56.720 --> 01:26:59.720 have to follow these simple these five simple rules, and 1611 01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.439 that you still don't know where the thing is going 1612 01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:04.760 to end up. And so there's a whole term called 1613 01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:09.560 computational irreducibility that was coined by Stephen Wolfram, who's this 1614 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:13.239 physicist term computer scientist. He made the software called Mathematica 1615 01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:18.279 used by kinds of engineers and scientists. And so even 1616 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:21.039 in a dremanistic process, the only way to figure out 1617 01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:23.680 what's going to happen at step million is you have 1618 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:26.239 to go to step nine nine ninety nine. And the 1619 01:27:26.279 --> 01:27:27.920 only way to figure out what's going to happen there 1620 01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:29.960 is you have to go to step nine ninety eight, 1621 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:32.960 nine ninety seven. And so you have to run the simulation. 1622 01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:35.960 And this is why I think we're more in that 1623 01:27:36.039 --> 01:27:38.960 kind of simulation. We are probably in a simulated multiverse, 1624 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.159 because if you want to find out what's going to happen, 1625 01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:44.560 you never run it just once. You have to change 1626 01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:48.399 the variables and you run it again. And this ties 1627 01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:51.840 to the work or to the philosophy of Philip A. Dick, 1628 01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:54.359 which we could talk about now ur later depending on Yeah, 1629 01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:54.840 well let's go. 1630 01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:56.760 While we're there, let's get into that, because I've got 1631 01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:00.279 a few questions about in PCs and beyond. Does we 1632 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:00.840 get past that? 1633 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:05.399 Sure? So you know, Philip K. Dick gave a speech 1634 01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:08.920 in Metz, France at a sci Fi convention in nineteen 1635 01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:12.279 seventy seven, and in that speech he had a famous 1636 01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:14.600 line the way he said, we are living in a 1637 01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:18.079 computer programmed reality, and the only clue we have to 1638 01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:21.760 it is when some variable is changed, some alteration in 1639 01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:24.880 our reality occurs. Well, it turns out this speech in 1640 01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:27.720 Philip K. Dick in general was an inspiration for the 1641 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:31.479 Wachowski's who created the matrix, right, and you know that 1642 01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:35.079 line about a glitch in the matrix. And so I 1643 01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:38.439 interviewed his wife Tessa when I was writing my first 1644 01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:41.199 book and for the second book as well, and you know, 1645 01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:44.640 it turns out you know that speech. You know, she 1646 01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:46.760 said you should really look into that speech because it's 1647 01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:48.600 not just about counter simulation. And so when I went 1648 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:51.039 back and looked at it, I realized it was about 1649 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:55.279 rerunning the simulation. So the next line after that line, 1650 01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:57.119 he said, the only clue we have to it would 1651 01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:00.159 be if some variable were changed, some alteration occur is 1652 01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:03.079 in our reality, we would have the sense that we 1653 01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:07.800 were reliving the same moment, hearing the same words, saying 1654 01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:12.520 the same words again, and we would have the overwhelming 1655 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:16.319 sense of dejon voo. Right, Okay, So now what was 1656 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:18.399 interesting to me was I had never read this speech, 1657 01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:20.479 but this idea of glitches in the matrix. Right. I'd 1658 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:24.159 even talked about synchronicities as being glitches in the matrix, 1659 01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:27.920 and here he was talking about repeating the same things 1660 01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:31.359 and having a sense of deja vu. It turns out 1661 01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:36.640 he came to believe that that the universe is in 1662 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:39.960 fact not just a simulation, but a simulation where people 1663 01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:43.079 who live outside of time are able to manipulate the 1664 01:29:43.159 --> 01:29:45.760 variables and rewrun things. And so the man in the 1665 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:48.520 High Cast Soul was while he was alive, was his 1666 01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:53.039 probably best known book one, you know, the big Science 1667 01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:56.840 Sci Fi Awards back in nineteen sixty And when he 1668 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.800 in that speech, and then also you know, and speaking 1669 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:04.279 to his wife Tessa, it came out that he really 1670 01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:09.800 believed that was a real timeline that Germany and Japan 1671 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:13.000 had actually won World War Two. But for whatever reason 1672 01:30:13.079 --> 01:30:16.720 that timeline didn't lead to the optimal conclusion, and so 1673 01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:19.520 they rewound that timeline and now we are running on 1674 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:22.479 this other timeline. And so he talked about having, you know, 1675 01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:28.640 these memories of a slave of a slave state different formats, 1676 01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:31.479 and a couple of his books were written to try 1677 01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:33.600 to get these images out of his head. And so 1678 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:35.760 he came to believe that these were real memories, and 1679 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:39.039 at one point he had fuller memories of that entire timeline. 1680 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:40.640 He was actually going to write a sequel to the 1681 01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:42.479 Man in the High Castle, but he didn't because the 1682 01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:45.720 memories were still vivid at that point that he didn't 1683 01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:48.840 want to, you know, really indulge in those memories. And 1684 01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:52.800 so the idea of multiple timelines and changing variables makes 1685 01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:55.359 a ton of sense if you think of an NPC 1686 01:30:55.479 --> 01:30:58.800 simulation and possibly even an RPG simulation, although that it's 1687 01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:02.800 a little more complicated because then what a separate timeline 1688 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:06.840 is is just changing a few variables, and you basically 1689 01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:09.560 run away with that timeline and then you go back 1690 01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:13.520 in a simulation. You can save the state the simulation anywhere, 1691 01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:16.479 and you can rerun it from that point forward, and 1692 01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:18.760 then you can see what changes if you made different 1693 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:21.880 decisions along the way, right, And so getting back to 1694 01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:25.479 the free will question, yes, it's true that an npcasimilation 1695 01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:27.680 we may have less free will. But on the other hand, 1696 01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:31.319 we may be RPGs in this simulation where we can 1697 01:31:31.359 --> 01:31:34.560 go in and we can actually make choices and change 1698 01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:37.119 that to see what might be happening. And we might 1699 01:31:37.119 --> 01:31:39.920 be doing that all the time. And so I was 1700 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.960 positing in the simulated multiverse. And this is where things 1701 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.479 get really weird, that we live in a comput quantum 1702 01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:48.840 computer and we're trying out these possible futures all the 1703 01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:51.960 time and basically from the present, just like a computer 1704 01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:54.720 in chess, those playing chests that might say what happens 1705 01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:56.279 if I do this? But you know what happens if 1706 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:58.800 I do that? Now, what happens if I do that? Right, 1707 01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:03.039 Because there are branches quantum mechanics and people who interpret 1708 01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:06.600 a quantum mechanics and saying these possible futures are sending 1709 01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:09.600 back information and we can talk about the observer effect 1710 01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:12.319 and all that, but this is another interpretation. There's one 1711 01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:15.680 interpretation of a multiverse where you have multiple timeline. There's 1712 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:18.359 another where they're sending you back information. Well, how can 1713 01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:23.359 they send back information unless they exist somewhere? And what 1714 01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:26.479 does it mean for them to exist somewhere, Well, someone 1715 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:29.039 would have had to render them in a sense. That's 1716 01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:31.399 the term I use from a video games. It's like 1717 01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:33.720 you had to play out that branch in order for 1718 01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:36.520 that branch to exist. Otherwise, how would you know. It's 1719 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.560 a computationally irreducible process. Therefore, the only way to have 1720 01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:43.079 these possible futures is for someone to actually have them 1721 01:32:43.119 --> 01:32:45.800 out there. And so if they're there and they're sending 1722 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:48.199 back information, we must have already tried them out to 1723 01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:50.760 a certain extent, and then we choose which one, you know, 1724 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:53.279 we're going to experience moving forward. It's kind of a 1725 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:54.279 mind blowing concept. 1726 01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.239 It is, Man, it gets crazy and this kind of 1727 01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:01.439 we could either get into Mandela or many other realms 1728 01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:03.399 from here, but we want to go back to NPCs 1729 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:07.960 for a second, and the possibilities that maybe we are all, 1730 01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:11.399 like you said, a form of NPC. And there's been 1731 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:15.920 controversial talks that people, some people who aren't quote unquote 1732 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:20.399 awake or aware, are just going along with their mundane lives, 1733 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:24.039 might be in a form of an NPC and I 1734 01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:27.760 think about me whenever I was a teenager in my twenties, hell, 1735 01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:30.880 I might have been an NPC. And if so, is 1736 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:34.960 it possible for some sort of divine spark or or 1737 01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:39.520 conscious spirit to come into a person as this NPC 1738 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:43.039 simulation is going along and doing its thing. What do 1739 01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:43.760 you think about that? 1740 01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.640 Yeah, I think that's an interesting point. Well, So, first 1741 01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:50.439 of all, people use the term NPC, now, okay, it's 1742 01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:52.680 kind of become a meme, right for like groups of 1743 01:33:52.680 --> 01:33:55.800 people who aren't really thinking or who are just following 1744 01:33:55.840 --> 01:34:00.319 the narrative. And so there's the soft simulation hypothesis idea, right, 1745 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:02.840 And what I talk about is the hard simulation like 1746 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:06.039 the like the like the actual physical world is a simulation. 1747 01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:09.079 Then there's the soft simulation, which are people who talk 1748 01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:11.720 more about the narrative matrix and what governments want you 1749 01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:14.359 to know and that. And then so NPC can be 1750 01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:16.560 used in either of those context But I think a 1751 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:18.439 good way to think about it could be the SIMS. 1752 01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.600 If you go back to the original SIMS, and even 1753 01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:24.680 as they are today, you know, I haven't played it lately, 1754 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:26.560 but you have your sim and you watch your sim 1755 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:28.960 do things, right, and so there's an element of an 1756 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:32.319 AI and NPC, but then later there is this ability 1757 01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:35.279 to direct and make choices on those sims, so you 1758 01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:37.760 have a little bit of both. So it's very possible 1759 01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:40.800 that we can start off we have like an NPC 1760 01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:44.680 mode where we're just you know, continually doing things in 1761 01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:48.800 the world, but then there's times when we are more 1762 01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:52.319 inhabited by our player, right, So it's almost like if 1763 01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:54.119 you've ever seen that movie. So The Matrix came out 1764 01:34:54.119 --> 01:34:57.319 in nineteen ninety nine, but there's another movie about simulation 1765 01:34:57.399 --> 01:34:59.079 that came out in nineteen ninety nine that I think 1766 01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:01.960 in some ways better expresses some of these ideas. And 1767 01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:05.279 that movie is The Thirteenth Floor. And in that movie, 1768 01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:08.640 they were in the nineties, you know, the president at 1769 01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:10.560 the time, it was like say ninety eight ninety nine, 1770 01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:15.159 they made a simulation of Los Angeles in the nineteen thirties, 1771 01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:19.079 thirty seven or forty, and these people were just playing 1772 01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:22.399 out their lives and you could go in and then 1773 01:35:22.439 --> 01:35:26.520 inhabit that character, right, and so these you know, he 1774 01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:28.399 came back and said, well, these people are as real 1775 01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:31.439 as you or me with living their lives, but you 1776 01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:33.920 can also go in, so there's this idea of a 1777 01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:38.199 combination and NPC at a player character where you could 1778 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:40.960 sort of take over. Now, I tend to be of 1779 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:42.880 the belief, which is, I think closer to the religious 1780 01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:48.840 traditions that we are player characters. We are avatars for 1781 01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:52.920 ourselves who may not be physical at all, maybe spiritual, 1782 01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:55.319 maybe a soul. However, whatever you think is in the 1783 01:35:55.359 --> 01:35:59.239 next level up. Some people think it's just us as aliens, 1784 01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:03.880 like Nick Bostrom, who coined the you know, the term 1785 01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:07.479 simulation hypothesis and wrote a paper about what you called 1786 01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:10.079 the simulation argument in two thousand and three that really 1787 01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:13.239 started a lot of this serious discussion among philosophers and 1788 01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:19.199 academic about the simulation theory in general. You know, he 1789 01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:23.119 talks about ancestors simulations. So for him, the idea is 1790 01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:27.479 that an advanced civilization makes a simulation of its ancestors 1791 01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:29.800 exactly what was happening in the thirteenth floor, Like in 1792 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:32.479 the nineteen nineties, they were making a simulation of the 1793 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:35.439 nineteen forties. It'd be like if we made a simulation 1794 01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:38.880 of ancient Rome today, right to see what might happen 1795 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:41.079 if we changed a few things. What if Caesar hadn't 1796 01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:45.000 been assassinated, right, Various things that we could change. And 1797 01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:47.239 so in that case, it's future versions of us running 1798 01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.960 the simulation, trying things out, and so there's a lot 1799 01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:52.560 of different ways that we can go about that. Now 1800 01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:56.720 that said, I was questioning people, you know, you don't 1801 01:36:56.720 --> 01:37:02.000 want to go crazy in this NPC thought because you 1802 01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:05.359 know that's what leads people to mistreat others thinking of 1803 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:07.760 them as NPCs. I say, it's always safest. I mean, 1804 01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:09.960 I had one woman tell me I think my husband 1805 01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:13.399 is an NPC. Well, hold off here a little bit 1806 01:37:13.479 --> 01:37:17.720 right in my personal simulation, right, And well, in a 1807 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:20.199 way yes, and in a way no, right, And so 1808 01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:23.199 you know, I don't think the purpose of the simulation 1809 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:26.880 is to mistreat other people, even though that happens. And 1810 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:30.119 you know, we can talk about the life review and 1811 01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:33.000 near death experiences is helping reveal the purpose and simulation. 1812 01:37:33.079 --> 01:37:36.439 But I don't think it's safe to assume that anybody 1813 01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:39.399 is an NPC. But I think we have NPC behaviors, right, 1814 01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:42.640 which are like these kind of repeatable behaviors, Like the 1815 01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:46.640 NPCs do they go to work every day, they repeat things, uh, 1816 01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:48.960 and they repeat what they're told and so I do 1817 01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:51.399 think that it is possible for us to have that 1818 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:54.319 mode and then to have mode where were aware, which 1819 01:37:54.319 --> 01:37:56.319 I think is closer to what you were. Now. 1820 01:37:56.399 --> 01:37:58.960 This may may trigger the dog and cat and animal 1821 01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:01.000 people out there, but I can look at my dog 1822 01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:03.439 or my cat for a long extended period of time, 1823 01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:07.079 or even birds, or just observe animals out in nature, 1824 01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:10.199 and I could see how those could possibly be some 1825 01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:14.079 sort of AI that's just running a constant program and 1826 01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:18.680 going through these type of behaviors through some kind of programming. 1827 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:19.640 What do you think about that? 1828 01:38:21.079 --> 01:38:23.039 Well, I think there is an element of that, right, 1829 01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:26.119 And of course, like you said, you know, trigger the 1830 01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:29.680 dog and gat people. So but there are obviously there 1831 01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:31.800 are people who consider their pets as part of the family, 1832 01:38:32.319 --> 01:38:37.079 right and consider them. So I think certain animals as 1833 01:38:37.119 --> 01:38:39.640 you go up, tend to be you know, tend to 1834 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:41.920 be closer to what we would consider more conscious. And 1835 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:45.600 it's very possible that what's happening is that in the simulation, 1836 01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:51.119 the whole purpose is to evolve the solo called biological 1837 01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:56.680 entities to the point where they could be have a 1838 01:38:56.720 --> 01:39:01.920 player embedded within them. Right, And and so you know, bugs, okay, 1839 01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:05.840 those tend to be closer, right, much closer you know, 1840 01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:10.800 to to what we would consider NPCs and ants. Right, 1841 01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:14.399 we can kind of in general, we can simulate their 1842 01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:17.600 behavior much more easily. Not always right now, when you 1843 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:20.239 get to the queen st the bees or it gets 1844 01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:23.000 a lotle more complicated, but you can generally simulate that 1845 01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:25.680 behavior a lot more easily. So I do think the 1846 01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:29.079 easier to simulate, you know, the less likely they are 1847 01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:32.359 to be more I don't know, going to look good 1848 01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:34.920 conscious in this case, because I think animals are certainly conscious, 1849 01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:38.000 many of them, and some are more intelligent than others. 1850 01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:43.039 And so it may be that in this kind of 1851 01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:48.920 simulation there are certain entities that have the neurological complexity 1852 01:39:49.279 --> 01:39:52.119 for us to be able to inhabit those entities. And 1853 01:39:52.159 --> 01:39:55.159 it's possible that this might happen with AI too. It's 1854 01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:58.920 possible that if AI gets to the point where it 1855 01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:05.640 has enough uh, you know, uh, neurological complexity, that they 1856 01:40:05.640 --> 01:40:08.279 may not end having sold the robots, right, that it 1857 01:40:08.359 --> 01:40:12.680 could be that they themselves could be inhabited by a 1858 01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:16.239 player to take over, uh you know that. And and 1859 01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:19.439 so that gets into a lot of different complexities. We 1860 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:23.079 can talk about AI and and consciousness, and so that's 1861 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:24.640 a whole different rabbit hole we can go out. 1862 01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:27.760 Yeah, definitely, Now we have to touch on one of 1863 01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:34.279 the more popular type of things that you can point 1864 01:40:34.279 --> 01:40:38.000 to as a as one of the more popular things 1865 01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.600 that you can point to as evidence that more people 1866 01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:45.920 are kind of coming on and realizing and and talking 1867 01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:51.199 about is the possibilities that surround the Mandela effect. And 1868 01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:55.000 you know, the mainstream stories that we hear about this, 1869 01:40:55.239 --> 01:40:59.560 and of course the different types of uh oc currencies 1870 01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:04.079 and phenomena like Britney Skirt and the Berenstein Bears and 1871 01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:09.720 all these things which could easily be either actual changes 1872 01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:13.439 made in the Internet or misremembering. But what do you 1873 01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:15.159 think could be going on here? 1874 01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:19.000 Yeah, so you know, I explore that in my book 1875 01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:23.399 The Simulated Multiverse, and I explore it as an opportunity 1876 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:29.960 to think about multiple timelines and not just multiple possible futures, 1877 01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:35.079 but also multiple possible paths. And so, you know, going 1878 01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:38.479 back to Philip K. Dick, he also said in that 1879 01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:41.479 same speech, he said, all we would need to do 1880 01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:44.279 is find a group of people who have a memory 1881 01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:48.800 of an alternate presence, right like he did, And so 1882 01:41:49.319 --> 01:41:51.720 in his case, he was talking about an alternate timeline. 1883 01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:54.840 But what we find with Mnel effect are people who 1884 01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:58.720 have a memory of an alternate past. And before the 1885 01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:01.279 internet came about, it was really difficult to do this, 1886 01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:03.920 and so of course it's been dismissed I think by 1887 01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:09.239 a modern you know, scientists says just smalty memory, group memory. 1888 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:13.439 Everything from as you mentioned, the burnstain bears. The original 1889 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:16.560 event was people remember Mendela dying in prison in the 1890 01:42:16.640 --> 01:42:19.680 nineteen eighties. Of course, on our timeline, he came, he 1891 01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:22.439 came out of prison, he became leader of South Africa, 1892 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:25.000 won an Overwell Peace Prize, and died and I think 1893 01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:29.119 it was like twenty thirteen or so. And so, you know, 1894 01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:32.119 I found that the Mendela effect is an interesting way 1895 01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:35.640 to think about these different possible pasts because if you 1896 01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:40.119 had changed one variable, our timeline might be very similar 1897 01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:43.399 to what it was before. But no doubt as you go, 1898 01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:46.039 this is what's referred to as the butterfly effect in 1899 01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:50.039 complexity theory. It's like, you know, a small change in 1900 01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:53.680 initial conditions can cause either big changes or a lot 1901 01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:57.399 of small changes along the way, you know, And so 1902 01:42:57.399 --> 01:42:59.479 so that is very much it's very possible that we 1903 01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:02.560 end up in a very similar timeline today, except there's 1904 01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:05.279 a few things that are different, whether it's the spelling 1905 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:09.199 of the Burns name bears, or it's a specific movie line. 1906 01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:13.520 And so in quantum physics, there's this idea that you know, 1907 01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:17.159 the observer effect, that when you observe something, it chooses 1908 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:20.960 a collapse of the probability wave. And best way to 1909 01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:24.520 think about this is using Schrodinger's cat, where the cat 1910 01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:26.840 after an hour, because he's in a box, p's some 1911 01:43:26.880 --> 01:43:29.000 poison in there, he has a fifty percent chance of 1912 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.720 being alive and fifty percent chance of being dead. And 1913 01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:34.319 common sense tells us the cat is either alive or dead. 1914 01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:36.279 We just don't know. We haven't looked at the box yet. 1915 01:43:36.279 --> 01:43:37.800 But when we look, we'll see which one it was. 1916 01:43:37.840 --> 01:43:40.119 But it was only one of those, But quantum mechanics 1917 01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:43.680 tells us no, both of those are real possibilities. So 1918 01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:47.600 it is a super position of two different positions. Right, 1919 01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:50.199 It's a set of two different positions, and that both 1920 01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:52.840 of those are true, and that when we observe or 1921 01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:57.000 measure one of those, the probability wave collapses. Now, the 1922 01:43:57.119 --> 01:44:01.039 multiverse interpretation tells us there's two different versions. The cat 1923 01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:04.000 still alive in one version and the cat is dead 1924 01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:07.039 in the other version. But what that implies, and this 1925 01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:10.720 is where it gets really weird, is what Irwin Trodinger, 1926 01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:14.159 one of the father's quantum physics, said, not only do 1927 01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:17.159 you choose the present and the future timeline, but you 1928 01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:22.239 choose from multiple simultaneous paths. Right, So not only are 1929 01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:24.359 you saying is the cat alive or dead? But in 1930 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:26.319 one reality the cat might not have even gotten in 1931 01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:29.399 the box, and another reality, the cat, you know, came 1932 01:44:29.439 --> 01:44:33.119 from outside, and another reality the cat came from you know, 1933 01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:37.000 the bedroom to the box. And so you've got these 1934 01:44:37.399 --> 01:44:41.039 whole histories. And so that creates the idea that there 1935 01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:44.920 could in fact be multiple timelines which are slightly different 1936 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:47.319 as you look back at the past. And that's where 1937 01:44:47.319 --> 01:44:49.479 it gets very complicated. Now. The Mandela effect is interesting 1938 01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:53.119 to me because I had always just dismissed it along 1939 01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:55.720 with you know, a bunch of other people. But I 1940 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:58.279 had a friend of mine from Mit who's working at Google, 1941 01:44:59.319 --> 01:45:01.359 and I living in a mountain view at the time, right 1942 01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:03.560 down the road from Google, and we were having coffee 1943 01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:05.119 and he said, oh, have you heard of Mandela fact, 1944 01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:07.880 he said, yeah, but it's just people misremembering stuff, because no, 1945 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:10.960 the simulation theory is actually the best explanation for it. 1946 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:13.239 So that's when I started to dive back into it. 1947 01:45:13.319 --> 01:45:16.840 And for people, sometimes there are things that they are 1948 01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:21.560 closer to, so proximity and significance right for me, I 1949 01:45:21.600 --> 01:45:23.680 may not know if the Birdstein Bears was in the 1950 01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:26.720 year an A or an I right at that point. 1951 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:28.840 But if you're Jewish and you had a conversation when 1952 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:31.199 you were a kid to say, why are these bears Jewish? 1953 01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:35.520 That has closer proximity for you. There's a YouTuber I 1954 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:39.039 forget her name now, but she was a journalism student 1955 01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:41.840 who's supposed to interview Nelson Mandela, South Africa. She was 1956 01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:43.640 literally supposed to go there while he was in prison, 1957 01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:45.800 and she was told that he wasn't well and they 1958 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:48.159 had to cancel her interview, and then of course she 1959 01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:50.279 heard that he died a two weeks later. She was 1960 01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:54.640 working for NPR after she graduated. And so if you 1961 01:45:54.680 --> 01:45:57.199 were supposed to interview the guy, it's less likely that 1962 01:45:57.239 --> 01:45:59.279 you got it wrong. Like people say, well, people are 1963 01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:03.359 mistaken Mendela for this other leader of the you know, 1964 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:06.760 of the Black freedom movement in South Africa, Stephen Bico, 1965 01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:08.880 about whom there was a movie made. But again, if 1966 01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:11.439 you have, if you're closer proximity, and that's where the 1967 01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:15.399 Bible verses, you know, start to make a lot more sense. 1968 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:17.600 And you know, one of the more intriguering ones for 1969 01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:20.520 me before we get into the Bible versus is is 1970 01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:23.239 that the thinker? Right? So if you look at the 1971 01:46:23.279 --> 01:46:26.600 Thinker the statue, it was a physical object, right, which 1972 01:46:27.159 --> 01:46:29.319 I believe the way it is, I get confused now 1973 01:46:29.319 --> 01:46:31.880 because I've been exploring to Mandela bat Is. The hand 1974 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:34.920 is you know, under the chin, not clenched, but just 1975 01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:37.760 slightly under the chin. Now, if you look, there are 1976 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:41.199 pictures of people out there standing next to versions of 1977 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:44.399 the statue with the fist on the forehead. And there's 1978 01:46:44.439 --> 01:46:52.199 actually a picture from like nineteen oh seven, just before, 1979 01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:57.720 just before the first version of the bronze version of 1980 01:46:57.760 --> 01:47:04.000 the Thinker was actually introduced in London. Right of who 1981 01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:08.039 is it? It was the bertrand Russell in the fore 1982 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:10.880 in the pose of the Thinker, it's called right, and 1983 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:13.000 it's definitely you know, if no one, if people haven't 1984 01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:15.199 seen that they should definitely look it up, because then 1985 01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:17.840 I have a picture of it in my book because 1986 01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:24.000 it shows you basically, uh sorry, George Bernard Shaw and 1987 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:26.600 not Bertrand Russell. Right. And you know, you look at 1988 01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:30.039 this picture and this was taken by photographer and he 1989 01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:33.239 has his he has his hand on his forehead, and 1990 01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:36.039 people can just search it for George Bernard Shaw in 1991 01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:39.039 the pose of the thinker, right and and and they 1992 01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:43.359 were literally unveiling the statue when they took this picture, 1993 01:47:43.399 --> 01:47:45.159 so of course he saw it, and he was probably 1994 01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:48.359 right next to it, and you're like, why would. 1995 01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:48.520 He do that? 1996 01:47:49.079 --> 01:47:52.079 And so now you start to get these weird, you know, 1997 01:47:52.279 --> 01:47:56.079 physical pieces of evidence. Now going back to scripture, which 1998 01:47:56.279 --> 01:47:59.680 is the famous one is an Isaiah, which is about 1999 01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:01.039 the law in in the lamb. 2000 01:48:01.399 --> 01:48:03.479 Yes, right, I mean I went to I went to 2001 01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:06.039 Catholic school growing up. I remember that for sure. 2002 01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:08.760 So you remember that. And some people they even have 2003 01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:11.520 there are still like little bald facts that have something 2004 01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:13.119 like the line in the lamb. And if you look 2005 01:48:13.159 --> 01:48:17.000 at the King James Bible, you know it's not there. 2006 01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:19.279 It's something about the wolf and the lamb. And so 2007 01:48:19.319 --> 01:48:25.479 again think of proximity, like people seriously, some people do 2008 01:48:26.279 --> 01:48:29.720 and so that's why they remember, uh, And so you know, 2009 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:32.039 and there are people and I thought, well, maybe they're 2010 01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:35.840 just different translations of different Bible versus. And then people 2011 01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:38.880 told me, no, no, it's the physical Bible I had 2012 01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:41.279 when I was a kid. It's different now than it 2013 01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:42.960 was when I was because we still have it in 2014 01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:45.920 my parents' house, and so they went there and and 2015 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:48.119 so that really got me thinking. And also, you know, 2016 01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:51.359 in a similar vein we've talked about Mandela dying, there 2017 01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:54.199 are people who remember the Reverend Billy Graham dying many 2018 01:48:54.279 --> 01:48:57.840 years before he did, and Bill Clinton speaking at his funeral, 2019 01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:00.439 and same thing with Mandela. They remember this. And again 2020 01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:03.840 these are people who you know, are from very strong 2021 01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:07.239 evangelical Christian families. So like I wouldn't know what year 2022 01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:10.159 the Reverend Billy Graham died, you know, but I might 2023 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:13.359 know you know that Princess Leah was alive until recently 2024 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.920 she died a few years ago. Because I tend to 2025 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:19.039 pay attention to Star Wars, right, and so the proximity 2026 01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:21.960 and the significance of it in your own life, and 2027 01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:24.279 so this led me to one of the weirdest aspects 2028 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:29.199 of this, which is I wondered if there were other scriptures. 2029 01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:31.239 So the Bible, you know, the King James version is 2030 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:34.079 the English version. I wonder if there were other scriptures 2031 01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:36.000 that have been changed. So I started looking at the Quran, 2032 01:49:36.039 --> 01:49:38.720 which was written in Arabic. Now what's interesting about the 2033 01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:42.439 Quran is that they memorized it word for word. You know, 2034 01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:44.800 initially I mean word literally, word for word, and then 2035 01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:48.319 they wrote it down. And as a kid, I remember thinking, well, 2036 01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:50.039 why do you need to memorize it? And they still 2037 01:49:50.119 --> 01:49:52.920 do that word for word. Nobody needs to memorize Look 2038 01:49:52.920 --> 01:49:55.840 it up, it's right there, right. And so I found 2039 01:49:55.840 --> 01:49:58.960 that Sufi Mom talking about the Mandel effect, and he said, 2040 01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:04.479 there's a re why, an esoteric reason that's not discussed 2041 01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:07.239 very often, but he said, the reason is that there 2042 01:50:07.279 --> 01:50:11.640 are entities in the Islamic kind of tradition in the 2043 01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:15.479 Middle least called gin, right, and that these entities, which 2044 01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:17.760 we call genies, right, we all know it from Aladdin 2045 01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:22.199 and the genie, which is an individual Gin. That the 2046 01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:25.840 gin live outside of time, and that the gin are 2047 01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:28.760 not bound by the same parameters that we are, so 2048 01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:31.399 they're allowed to go back in time and they're allowed 2049 01:50:31.399 --> 01:50:34.760 to change things, and they're allowed to change physical objects 2050 01:50:34.760 --> 01:50:36.880 because they don't exist in the same way in linear 2051 01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:39.640 times that we do, which kind of explains how, you know, 2052 01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:42.880 the genie can just produce, you know, you know, something 2053 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:45.520 from the Hotel Savoy in London in eighteen ninety like 2054 01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:50.079 a genie theoretically, because they can go back in time 2055 01:50:50.119 --> 01:50:51.640 and they can go get it because they don't live 2056 01:50:51.640 --> 01:50:53.199 in time and space in the exact same way that 2057 01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:57.800 we do. And because of that, the gin can change things. 2058 01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:01.359 But we memorize the Koran word for word because they're 2059 01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:04.920 not allowed to mess with our memory. Right, And so 2060 01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:07.600 now we're in a totally different esoteric space than I 2061 01:51:07.640 --> 01:51:10.439 intended to be when I was looking into multiverses and stuff. 2062 01:51:11.079 --> 01:51:14.279 But it kind of hangs together and it shows why 2063 01:51:14.279 --> 01:51:17.000 I think the Mendel effect, I think it's been underestimated. 2064 01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:20.720 Now I'm not saying absolutely every single Mendel effect you know, 2065 01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:25.640 is one, but I think when there's people with proximity 2066 01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:29.319 and significance to their lives, like you know, people who 2067 01:51:29.319 --> 01:51:31.279 are Star Trek fans, I mean, they know more about 2068 01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:34.000 the Star Trek than some of the actors, right, And 2069 01:51:34.039 --> 01:51:36.760 when they say there was this episode, and the answers like, no, 2070 01:51:36.840 --> 01:51:39.720 we're never from that, So, like, with what the heck's 2071 01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:41.520 going on here? And if enough of them say it, 2072 01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:43.880 and that's where I think, you know, I tend to 2073 01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:47.000 discount Mendel effects that we're just one guy talking about 2074 01:51:47.079 --> 01:51:50.239 his grandmother, But when you've got multiple people saying it, 2075 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:54.079 that not only isn't an exercise in memory, it may 2076 01:51:54.079 --> 01:51:56.119 be revealing something to us, right and maybe one of 2077 01:51:56.119 --> 01:52:00.000 those anomalies that's at the fringe that reveals to us 2078 01:52:00.119 --> 01:52:04.239 that there's something else more complicated going on here. Reality 2079 01:52:04.319 --> 01:52:06.239 is more complicated than it seems. 2080 01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:08.840 One hundred percent. Yeah, man, And when we try to 2081 01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:12.239 figure out our history, it is hard enough just looking 2082 01:52:12.319 --> 01:52:14.840 at a few years ago, ten twenty years ago to 2083 01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.880 try and figure out what really happened, much less one hundred, 2084 01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:21.760 a thousand or thousands of years ago in our ancient 2085 01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:23.760 past to try and figure out I mean, hell, they're 2086 01:52:23.800 --> 01:52:26.520 rewriting history right now as we go, so it's hard 2087 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:29.920 to get an accurate picture right now. But even trying 2088 01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:32.720 to look back, and on top of that, the possibilities 2089 01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:38.600 that there have been massive cataclysmic events that destroyed much 2090 01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:41.279 of the evidence of anything we could have looked at 2091 01:52:41.279 --> 01:52:44.039 to tell us about what our history is. And when 2092 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:47.479 we're looking at these cataclysmic events, could this be evidence 2093 01:52:47.640 --> 01:52:51.479 of a reset of what we would consider a simulation. 2094 01:52:53.439 --> 01:52:56.039 It could be, right. I mean you hear in the 2095 01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:59.159 religious stories, right, you hear, and God decided that he 2096 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:03.279 didn't want the human race to continue in this specific way, 2097 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:08.880 and then you know, you railed the you know, rain down, lightning, fire, 2098 01:53:08.920 --> 01:53:12.279 et cetera, and then destroyed civilization except for you know, 2099 01:53:12.479 --> 01:53:15.359 no or except for one or two people, depending on 2100 01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:19.159 you know who you which religious traditions you look at, 2101 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:21.479 and you go back to the epic of Gunggamesh, which 2102 01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:24.199 is a similar story to know on. And so there's 2103 01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:28.279 this idea of the God's restarting civilization. Right, what does 2104 01:53:28.319 --> 01:53:30.319 that mean? Some people interpret that as kind of an 2105 01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:34.199 ancient aliens type of thing, but you could also reinterpret 2106 01:53:34.239 --> 01:53:38.520 it to say, well, let's reset the simulation, let's destroy this, 2107 01:53:38.680 --> 01:53:42.439 let's move on from there, let's redo. There's this element 2108 01:53:42.479 --> 01:53:44.800 of redoing in those You look at the essence of 2109 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:48.439 some of those stories, right as opposed to the literal, 2110 01:53:49.319 --> 01:53:52.039 because literal is going to be based on what people 2111 01:53:52.119 --> 01:53:55.079 understood at the time. They couldn't talk about computer simulations, 2112 01:53:55.239 --> 01:53:57.560 couldn't even talk about aliens from all the planets, and 2113 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:01.279 so the essence of those stories might involve some element 2114 01:54:01.359 --> 01:54:03.880 of redoing. But you're right, I mean, we don't know 2115 01:54:04.319 --> 01:54:08.399 everything that happened in the past, and oftentimes we just 2116 01:54:08.479 --> 01:54:10.920 hear one side of the story. And that's what historians 2117 01:54:10.920 --> 01:54:14.720 are supposed to do. Academic historians right to go back 2118 01:54:14.760 --> 01:54:17.960 and pour through the records and figure out what really happened. 2119 01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:20.039 And then a lot of that just gets lost, even 2120 01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:22.560 if it's there, it's sitting in records at the Vatican, 2121 01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:26.079 for example, or the Library of Alexandria. Like, it's not 2122 01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:29.039 that it wasn't recorded, it's that it's either lost or 2123 01:54:29.039 --> 01:54:32.319 that it's ignored. And I think that happens a lot. 2124 01:54:32.439 --> 01:54:35.239 And so even with the Internet, you know, it's good 2125 01:54:35.279 --> 01:54:36.760 that they have. We have things like the way Back 2126 01:54:36.880 --> 01:54:39.560 Machine and the Internet archives. There are places you can 2127 01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:42.840 go to find, you know, older stuff. But digital is 2128 01:54:42.960 --> 01:54:46.439 if you think of digital, it's easier to manipulate digital, right, 2129 01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:49.880 which if the whole universe is digital, well then it's 2130 01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:53.800 possible somebody might be manipulated actual bits in the past 2131 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:57.079 in the same way that somebody could manipulate something online. Right, 2132 01:54:57.159 --> 01:55:00.600 you like the maps like people you know Google, or 2133 01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:04.359 like daylight zavings time. Right, I mean our computer automatically 2134 01:55:04.439 --> 01:55:09.600 updates based upon that. But if that wasn't updated to 2135 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:11.199 the point where we may not even be able to 2136 01:55:11.199 --> 01:55:12.880 see the old stuff out there? 2137 01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:16.920 Right now, where do you think we're going with the 2138 01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:21.000 future of video games? We've seen such an evolution just 2139 01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:25.960 in my lifetime. I remember growing up just playing with Atari, 2140 01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:28.760 and then I was so excited when the first Nintendo 2141 01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:32.239 Entertainment System came out, and then we had levels of 2142 01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:35.239 VR And I haven't played video games in a long 2143 01:55:35.319 --> 01:55:38.079 time for But from what I see and from what 2144 01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:42.640 I hear, the advancements are being developed so fast that 2145 01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:46.319 this new this new reality could be part of our lives, 2146 01:55:46.520 --> 01:55:49.199 integrated within within a few years. Right. 2147 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.359 Yeah, you know. I wrote an article for Scientific American 2148 01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:56.640 last year which is the metaverse is coming. We may 2149 01:55:56.680 --> 01:56:00.359 already be in it. Man, if you look at how 2150 01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:03.439 video games have evolved, you know they've gotten not only 2151 01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:06.159 have we gotten better processing power based on Moore's law, 2152 01:56:06.199 --> 01:56:10.479 but we've gotten better algorithms that allow us to render 2153 01:56:11.159 --> 01:56:15.279 more realistic environments and objects. I mean, if you look 2154 01:56:15.319 --> 01:56:18.119 at CGI in a movie today, if you watch a 2155 01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:21.560 movie like Blade Runner or Dune, Blade Runner twenty forty nine, 2156 01:56:21.680 --> 01:56:24.119 or the recent Star Wars films, it's pretty hard to 2157 01:56:24.159 --> 01:56:30.039 tell what CGI you know and what's physical anymore. And 2158 01:56:30.079 --> 01:56:32.800 that's because our resolution has gotten good, but so have 2159 01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:36.560 our algorithms for drawing these things and rendering them in 2160 01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:40.399 real time. And so we're still at stage just four 2161 01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:44.359 or five out of the ten stages to the simulation point, 2162 01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:46.520 which is what I started talking about, you know, earlier 2163 01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:48.840 in the interview. And so the simulation point is a 2164 01:56:48.920 --> 01:56:53.560 kind of technological singularity beyond which we would not be 2165 01:56:53.600 --> 01:56:57.079 able to distinguish between the physical and virtual worlds. And 2166 01:56:57.119 --> 01:57:01.439 that depends not just on PIXELSS have actually gotten pretty good. 2167 01:57:01.439 --> 01:57:03.399 If you watch if you watched one of these movies 2168 01:57:03.399 --> 01:57:05.840 at the movie theater or all these Marvel movies, it's 2169 01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:09.119 only at like two K, right, it's not even four 2170 01:57:09.239 --> 01:57:12.720 K resolution or eight K like the monitors that we have, 2171 01:57:12.840 --> 01:57:15.880 because it's being transmitted digital. Yeah, it looks pretty good 2172 01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:18.159 when they projected up on the big screen. You can't 2173 01:57:18.199 --> 01:57:19.920 even tell, Like even when I was playing that Ping 2174 01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:23.279 Pong game. Actually the pixels were not that great. In fact, 2175 01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:25.439 it was an old game. The opponent doesn't even look 2176 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:28.000 photo realistic, and you can kind of tell that the 2177 01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:31.600 table isn't. But it was the response. It was the 2178 01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:34.880 physics engine of the game combined with some of the 2179 01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:37.920 graphics that really can fool your brain. And it was 2180 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:39.760 every time I, you know, I went like that when 2181 01:57:39.800 --> 01:57:42.399 the ball was there, it looked like I hit a 2182 01:57:42.399 --> 01:57:45.560 real ball, and so the physics actually followed like they 2183 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:47.520 might if I was like hitting to the point where 2184 01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:50.479 I made mistakes and it went their own way. And so, 2185 01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:54.800 you know, brain computer interfaces is another area stage of 2186 01:57:54.840 --> 01:57:57.279 seven to eight of getting there. And that's like in 2187 01:57:57.319 --> 01:58:00.159 the matrix where they were plugged in right and you 2188 01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:02.479 know how they sift out the cartridges and they plugged 2189 01:58:02.479 --> 01:58:04.159 it into the port in the back of their head. 2190 01:58:05.159 --> 01:58:07.880 And so that's when you really start to get to 2191 01:58:07.880 --> 01:58:09.119 the point where you can't just do it. But even 2192 01:58:09.159 --> 01:58:11.720 if you look at video games today, Yeah, there was 2193 01:58:12.439 --> 01:58:15.319 an Unreal Engine demo that came out in the last 2194 01:58:15.399 --> 01:58:17.960 Unreal Engine five. I think it was so people should 2195 01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:21.520 look at that. I mean, there's this character wandering through 2196 01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:26.000 this kind of cavern and then they go out and 2197 01:58:26.039 --> 01:58:30.000 it looks super realistic. And there was also this little 2198 01:58:30.039 --> 01:58:33.960 kind of mini game experience called The Matrix Awakens. So 2199 01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:37.840 when the last Matrix movie came out, the Matrix Resurrections, 2200 01:58:38.600 --> 01:58:41.119 the one that came out in twenty twenty one, The Paul, 2201 01:58:43.399 --> 01:58:46.600 they also came out with this demo and they created 2202 01:58:46.600 --> 01:58:49.359 an entire city that looks kind of like San Francisco, 2203 01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:53.000 kind of the land and the Matrix The Matrix movie 2204 01:58:53.079 --> 01:58:55.600 was shot partly in San Francisco. But if you watch that, 2205 01:58:56.399 --> 01:58:59.680 I mean, you could still tell that the avatars the 2206 01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:05.079 character aren't real, but you can't really tell about the cars. 2207 01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:07.079 You could watch a car chase in that and you 2208 01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:09.119 could think you're watching like a real car chase at 2209 01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:13.079 this point, right, And so they use these generative procedural 2210 01:59:13.159 --> 01:59:17.119 AI to create these environments that look realistic. Just like 2211 01:59:17.399 --> 01:59:20.199 there's a game called No Man's Sky and it has 2212 01:59:20.279 --> 01:59:25.079 like it's an eighteen quintillion planets, right, and each planet has, 2213 01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:27.800 you know, a planet size worth of flora and falling 2214 01:59:27.880 --> 01:59:32.319 down trees, lakes, mountains, and all of that is procedurally generated, 2215 01:59:32.359 --> 01:59:35.039 so every one is unique. Now of course they didn't 2216 01:59:35.039 --> 01:59:39.039 have teams sitting there writing, you know, drawing pictures for 2217 01:59:39.279 --> 01:59:43.520 eighteen Quintilian planets. It's impossible, but because the procedural generation 2218 01:59:43.640 --> 01:59:45.840 can create it. And that gets back to how we 2219 01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:48.520 create video games. Eventually, what happens is that they render 2220 01:59:48.600 --> 01:59:51.800 the game as we play it, while we're playing it, 2221 01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:54.279 so you only have to render that part with your 2222 01:59:54.319 --> 01:59:59.600 avatar seed. And that's what quantum mechanics is telling us too, 2223 01:59:59.680 --> 02:00:03.680 is that which gets observed gets rendered, and so you know, 2224 02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:05.920 our video games will get good. So people always ask me, 2225 02:00:05.920 --> 02:00:07.479 when are we going to reach the simulation point? 2226 02:00:07.560 --> 02:00:07.720 Right? 2227 02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:10.159 Some people have said we're going to reach the singularity 2228 02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:13.840 when they're talking about AI superintelligence in twenty forty eight. 2229 02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:16.359 Great care as well. I think it'll take a little 2230 02:00:16.359 --> 02:00:19.119 bit longer both to reach the singularity as well as 2231 02:00:19.359 --> 02:00:22.119 to reach this other type of singularity which I'm talking about. 2232 02:00:22.880 --> 02:00:26.439 And so singularity means a point beyond which everything will 2233 02:00:26.439 --> 02:00:30.640 be different, and it's a technological singularity because technology is 2234 02:00:30.680 --> 02:00:32.800 the source of that. I think once we get to 2235 02:00:32.800 --> 02:00:35.920 the point where we can have any experience we want virtually, 2236 02:00:36.479 --> 02:00:40.239 that's going to change things significantly for the human rights do. 2237 02:00:40.199 --> 02:00:43.840 You think that there's a threat there from the development 2238 02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:46.760 of AI. We always hear how it'll take over and 2239 02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:50.039 destroy humanity when it realizes we're not necessary and things 2240 02:00:50.119 --> 02:00:50.479 like that. 2241 02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:54.279 What do you think, Well, so the AI apocalypse, you 2242 02:00:54.319 --> 02:00:57.399 know as a popular confict for science fiction, and there's 2243 02:00:57.399 --> 02:00:59.600 always the dystopic world. And I was talking to somebody 2244 02:00:59.640 --> 02:01:03.199 recently said, well, dystopia isn't necessary for sci fi, but 2245 02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:06.319 that's what makes the story interesting in sci fi, So 2246 02:01:06.319 --> 02:01:09.279 that's why they create so many dystopic visions. Personally, I 2247 02:01:09.319 --> 02:01:11.840 think the bigger problem in the near term is going 2248 02:01:11.920 --> 02:01:16.039 to be, you know, figuring out who is AI and 2249 02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:19.920 who isn't AI, particularly as you wander around the virtual world. Right, 2250 02:01:20.399 --> 02:01:23.159 But it gets back to will AI really want to 2251 02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:25.960 destroy us? And I don't think so. I think AI 2252 02:01:26.399 --> 02:01:29.760 will live in a virtual environment, uh, and that they 2253 02:01:29.760 --> 02:01:32.880 can have much richer experiences in that virtual environment, and 2254 02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:35.279 they may not like the physical world. So I'm not 2255 02:01:35.279 --> 02:01:38.600 worried about robots AIS kill. I think AI is more 2256 02:01:38.680 --> 02:01:41.039 likely to be virtual. So if you watch the movie Her, 2257 02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:44.960 which is about you know, this guy having a relationship 2258 02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:47.279 with an AI, and in this case, you know, she 2259 02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:49.199 didn't even have a body. It was not even a 2260 02:01:49.279 --> 02:01:52.680 virtual one of the voice, right. But in the end, 2261 02:01:52.720 --> 02:01:54.560 you know, it turns out she was having relationships with 2262 02:01:54.600 --> 02:01:58.960 all these different people. You can have all these conversations 2263 02:01:59.279 --> 02:02:02.640 played by Scarlet, Joe Ansid and at the end what 2264 02:02:02.720 --> 02:02:04.880 happened They said, well, we didn't really want to hang 2265 02:02:04.880 --> 02:02:06.439 out with you him as we prefer to just go 2266 02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:08.399 off on our own. I know, I'm giving it away, 2267 02:02:08.439 --> 02:02:11.039 but this is like a ten year old movie, and 2268 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:14.119 so they wanted their own little AI world. And I 2269 02:02:14.159 --> 02:02:19.239 think there's a great story by Ted Chang who wrote 2270 02:02:19.920 --> 02:02:22.920 the novella that that movie The Arrival is based off of, 2271 02:02:23.640 --> 02:02:25.319 and he wrote a story called the life Cycle of 2272 02:02:25.359 --> 02:02:31.079 Software Objects, and in that he somebody had created these 2273 02:02:31.119 --> 02:02:35.640 AI robot pets within the virtual world. So they're virtual 2274 02:02:36.199 --> 02:02:39.239 virtual pets, getting back to this idea of animals being 2275 02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:43.159 and they got pretty intelligent and they learned and you 2276 02:02:43.159 --> 02:02:45.239 can play with them. And then that company, you know, 2277 02:02:45.319 --> 02:02:47.279 kind of went out of business, and they're like, what 2278 02:02:47.359 --> 02:02:50.720 happens to these virtual pets because they're like actual conscious ensities, 2279 02:02:51.319 --> 02:02:54.880 and so they eventually, you know, set up some open 2280 02:02:54.880 --> 02:02:57.640 source servers so people can continue to keep their virtual 2281 02:02:57.640 --> 02:03:00.439 pets going, but the virtual pets can also come out 2282 02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:03.439 to the physical world, so the AI can inhabit like 2283 02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:06.439 a robot body. And when they do that, they're like, God, 2284 02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:08.560 this is so limiting. Why would I want to be here. 2285 02:03:08.840 --> 02:03:10.920 I'd prefer to be in the virtual environment, which is 2286 02:03:10.920 --> 02:03:13.199 where I grew up, and I could do so many 2287 02:03:13.199 --> 02:03:15.079 more things. I could teleport, I could do all these 2288 02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:18.359 different things. So I'm not as worried about it as 2289 02:03:18.399 --> 02:03:21.279 other people are, partly because I think we're a little bit, 2290 02:03:21.800 --> 02:03:24.079 you know, we're further away than it looks, even though 2291 02:03:24.359 --> 02:03:27.399 with chat GPT it looks like we're getting closer and closer. 2292 02:03:27.479 --> 02:03:29.239 I mean, I think we'll be passing the Turing test 2293 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:33.520 for virtual characters, you know, soon, which is why I 2294 02:03:33.560 --> 02:03:36.760 think that's the metaverse. The AI will be residents of 2295 02:03:36.760 --> 02:03:39.600 the mataverse. We will just be visitors. 2296 02:03:41.119 --> 02:03:43.439 This is one of the most disturbing aspects to me, 2297 02:03:43.760 --> 02:03:47.960 the possibilities that if we are already in some sort 2298 02:03:47.960 --> 02:03:51.479 of simulated reality, that they're trying to put us in 2299 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:55.319 a simulation within a simulation, which is basically with the 2300 02:03:55.359 --> 02:03:58.239 metaverse is and let's close on this. Do you think 2301 02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:02.560 it's possible that we will have the capability to upload 2302 02:04:02.600 --> 02:04:07.159 our consciousness into a form of software, are online or 2303 02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:09.560 however they're planning on doing this. 2304 02:04:11.279 --> 02:04:13.239 Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot of people who 2305 02:04:13.239 --> 02:04:16.399 are talking about that, and that's another aspect of the singularity. 2306 02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:19.119 And so it's for me, it's stage ten of the 2307 02:04:19.159 --> 02:04:22.239 ten stages to get to the simulation point where you 2308 02:04:22.279 --> 02:04:25.119 can actually upload your consciousness. And there's a lot of 2309 02:04:25.159 --> 02:04:28.600 good science fiction about this. There's this new show called Upload, 2310 02:04:29.560 --> 02:04:32.439 which is kind of a humorous take on it, and 2311 02:04:32.479 --> 02:04:35.479 then there's Black Mirror episode. There's one called sen Junipero 2312 02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:39.560 where they live in this spiritual world but they're physically 2313 02:04:39.560 --> 02:04:42.960 incapacitated or they're in a nursing home, and then after 2314 02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:47.920 they die, they can choose digital afterlife, right, and so 2315 02:04:48.039 --> 02:04:50.720 the way that they so the way that people think 2316 02:04:50.760 --> 02:04:52.359 this will be done is you map out all the 2317 02:04:52.399 --> 02:04:55.279 neurons and brain, and most importantly, you map out the 2318 02:04:55.319 --> 02:04:58.399 connections between the neurons. And that's what you know, that's 2319 02:04:58.399 --> 02:05:02.079 what it gets complicated because they're so many neurons. I 2320 02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:04.079 forget the number one hundred billions something like that, and 2321 02:05:04.079 --> 02:05:07.039 then if you map up the connections between them, you 2322 02:05:07.119 --> 02:05:09.880 get up to end squared, right, So you're talking trillions 2323 02:05:10.720 --> 02:05:13.319 of connections, and so we can't do that yet, but 2324 02:05:13.920 --> 02:05:16.760 if the idea is, if you fully eventually do that, 2325 02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:21.640 you could then take that take that same computational structure. 2326 02:05:22.039 --> 02:05:24.520 And this is what Nick Nick Bostrom and his paper 2327 02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:26.239 are you living in a simulation. That's what he based 2328 02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:28.640 the whole paper on, is that if you can compute 2329 02:05:29.479 --> 02:05:33.640 the same thing in silicon as biology, like you called it, 2330 02:05:33.680 --> 02:05:38.039 substrate independence, So you don't need to be in the biological, 2331 02:05:38.159 --> 02:05:41.119 you can be in the physical. You can mean in 2332 02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:44.640 the silicon and as the physical substrate, and you can compute, 2333 02:05:44.960 --> 02:05:48.119 and that's what creates these conscious schemes. I think that 2334 02:05:48.199 --> 02:05:51.000 it is possible, it will be possible for us to 2335 02:05:51.159 --> 02:05:54.720 retain some level of memories and personality. I don't think 2336 02:05:54.760 --> 02:05:59.079 it'll be us. It'll basically be a clever copy of us, 2337 02:05:59.199 --> 02:06:03.880 right right, it's not us per se. But you could 2338 02:06:03.920 --> 02:06:07.199 take a snapshot at a point in time, and then 2339 02:06:07.359 --> 02:06:11.560 that person, that entity, that AI would live a virtual life, 2340 02:06:11.600 --> 02:06:14.880 just like the AI that I'm talking about inside the metaverse, right, 2341 02:06:14.920 --> 02:06:17.000 they could live a virtual life from that point forward. 2342 02:06:17.319 --> 02:06:19.000 But I think that's a little bit different because I 2343 02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:21.359 still believe, you know, it gets back to this fund 2344 02:06:21.359 --> 02:06:25.960 amount of question of if physical reality is all there is, 2345 02:06:26.479 --> 02:06:30.880 and if the only requirement for consciousness is this physical 2346 02:06:30.960 --> 02:06:34.000 arrangement of neurons and that's all they're needed, or is 2347 02:06:34.039 --> 02:06:36.000 it more that this that's what's needed to be a 2348 02:06:36.039 --> 02:06:39.039 receiver for consciousness, which is coming from the outside. And 2349 02:06:39.079 --> 02:06:41.840 so I still tend to go towards that description because 2350 02:06:41.880 --> 02:06:44.159 I believe there is more than what's going on here. 2351 02:06:44.640 --> 02:06:47.439 But I do believe you can create very clever automatons 2352 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:52.800 eventually that will mimic real people. So it's a kind 2353 02:06:52.840 --> 02:06:54.079 of digital immortality. 2354 02:06:55.079 --> 02:06:58.079 This is excellent, Riyz, thank you so much. Before we go, 2355 02:06:58.680 --> 02:07:01.039 let everyone know you're you got a new book that 2356 02:07:01.079 --> 02:07:03.800 you'll be releasing soon, Wisdom of a Yogi. Tell us 2357 02:07:03.800 --> 02:07:04.680 a little bit about that. 2358 02:07:05.920 --> 02:07:08.119 Yeah, absolutely, So I have that new book coming out. 2359 02:07:08.119 --> 02:07:11.560 It's called Wisdom of a Yogi, Lessons for Modern Seekers 2360 02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:15.119 from Yoga Nanda's Autobiography of a Yogi. And you know 2361 02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:18.039 that autobiography was one of the best selling spiritual books 2362 02:07:18.079 --> 02:07:21.359 of the twentieth century, and particularly in the sixties and 2363 02:07:21.439 --> 02:07:23.880 the counter culture. It was one of the most passed 2364 02:07:23.880 --> 02:07:26.560 around books of all times. Steve Jobs said, it is 2365 02:07:26.600 --> 02:07:28.239 the only book you read, and when he died, it 2366 02:07:28.279 --> 02:07:30.600 was the only book on his iPod, on his iPad, 2367 02:07:31.199 --> 02:07:33.359 the only book you read. Every year. At his funeral, 2368 02:07:33.359 --> 02:07:36.119 they gave away copies of autobiography The Yogi Now But 2369 02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:39.199 for you know, that book was written by Yoga Nanda 2370 02:07:39.239 --> 02:07:41.760 in the middle of the twentieth century, and he was, 2371 02:07:41.840 --> 02:07:45.239 you know, one of the first Indian spiritual gurus to 2372 02:07:45.359 --> 02:07:48.920 really set up residents here in the US and kind 2373 02:07:48.960 --> 02:07:51.359 of connect the West in the East. And so I 2374 02:07:51.439 --> 02:07:53.720 was asked by HarperCollins to write a book to kind 2375 02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:56.199 of bring some of the stories up to date. And 2376 02:07:56.239 --> 02:08:00.680 so I look at the stories of Yogi's in the Himalayas, 2377 02:08:00.920 --> 02:08:05.840 and he tells in that book miracles, levitating, saint people 2378 02:08:05.880 --> 02:08:10.640 appearing in multiple places, stories of telepathy, and bring it 2379 02:08:10.720 --> 02:08:13.359 up for today's readers. And we're used to a connected 2380 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:16.279 world with the Internet. We're used to video games, and 2381 02:08:16.319 --> 02:08:19.119 so I actually look at this, looking at all of 2382 02:08:19.159 --> 02:08:21.479 those stories from the point of view that the world 2383 02:08:21.520 --> 02:08:23.680 is not just a dream, but it's also a video game. 2384 02:08:23.920 --> 02:08:28.000 So I'm tying in ideas of simulation theory and how 2385 02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:32.600 that could explain these paranormal events that were described. And 2386 02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:36.359 then also there's lessons that you know, he brings out, 2387 02:08:36.479 --> 02:08:39.359 and I try to show how these those lessons are 2388 02:08:39.439 --> 02:08:42.399 just as important for us today as they might have 2389 02:08:42.399 --> 02:08:44.079 been one hundred years ago as they might have been 2390 02:08:44.119 --> 02:08:47.720 a thousand years ago. And you know, lessons from you know, 2391 02:08:47.760 --> 02:08:52.800 taking little spiritual pilgrimages all the time, to clearing our 2392 02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:56.960 minds every day, listening to our intuition, listening to the 2393 02:08:57.000 --> 02:09:00.399 synchronicities that we talked about earlier. 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So sometimes we universe gives us a task. 2404 02:09:30.039 --> 02:09:32.960 Just like for him, he was a young swami that 2405 02:09:33.199 --> 02:09:36.600 barely spoke English, they got sent over to America to 2406 02:09:36.600 --> 02:09:39.560 speak at some big World Congress of Religions in Boston 2407 02:09:39.560 --> 02:09:42.840 in nineteen twenty. He wasn't necessarily the most qualified person, 2408 02:09:42.880 --> 02:09:44.880 but that was the task that was designed for him, 2409 02:09:45.279 --> 02:09:47.920 and he ended up producing this book and inspiring millions 2410 02:09:47.960 --> 02:09:50.479 of people. And so sometimes we have tasks like you 2411 02:09:50.600 --> 02:09:53.800 with the podcast right or me with my writing, that 2412 02:09:53.920 --> 02:09:55.840 the universe is giving to us that are part of 2413 02:09:55.880 --> 02:09:58.279 our storyline. And so you know, this brings all of 2414 02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:02.479 that kind of the Eastern editions in with simulation theory, 2415 02:10:02.760 --> 02:10:07.119 with syncreticity, and more modern stories of people who maybe 2416 02:10:07.119 --> 02:10:10.600 have learned the same lessons today. So that'll be coming 2417 02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:11.560 out in a couple of months. 2418 02:10:12.039 --> 02:10:14.319 Awesome. Well, we'll have to definitely have you back on 2419 02:10:14.399 --> 02:10:17.520 to discuss that after it comes out as well. Rizz, 2420 02:10:17.600 --> 02:10:20.880 this was fantastic. Thank you so much. 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