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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the crime pacer Bot and

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he doesn't podcasts. I'm doing us on the road again.

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I'm really juggling a lot here where. Anyway, it's a

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few days later since the last podcast night that we

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were in San Luis Poto C. Today I'm with my

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friend Seesar and we're in Hidalgo State. Beautiful Hidalgo State.

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We're driving past these fucking pecan orchards right now. We're

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in elevation at forty three hundred feet. It's been in

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a pretty incredible couple of days. I feel totally high

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from all the crazy shit I've seen, really amazing geology,

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calcareous shale and yeah, mostly the calcarious shales. Look up

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for to tope. We've hit a few topays along the road.

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You know, it's a good analogy for life. Every once

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in a while, you hit an unnecessary tope, completely pointless

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that they put it there and you don't see it

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till the last minute, and you end up flying up

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in the whole fucking car. You know, you break the axles,

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shits flying all over the place. You know, you hit

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your head on the ceiling. Whatever. But anyway, these calcarious

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shit topped by layers of flood basalts, some of it

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columnar jointing. Ooh uh and uh, I finally got to

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see Cephalo sirius sceinalists, which I don't know why I

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had such a strong draw to that cactus species, but

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I did. And I think because I've grown been growing

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one for the last two or three years. And uh,

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they're just so well adapted because those spines have been

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modified into hairs. You know. It's one of many plants

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colloquially referred to as the old Man cactus, the viahito

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and uh, it's this guy gonna let you go with,

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you know anyway, Hotel grant Adidas. It's where we stayed

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last night, where they charged it for the water, you know,

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and it didn't have bad bugs out. It's good, wonderful,

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wonderful decoor, though I will say so. Uh, but you know,

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Cephalo serious sinas. So the spines have been modified into tricombs.

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Some of it it looks like it's like gray pubes.

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I know that sounds really disturbing, just forgive me, but

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I don't know how else to say it. Maybe because

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they're wiry, you know, there're not like Hey, they're not

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like smooth hairs. They're wiry hairs. And I guess they

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can do that. My theory is that they can do

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that because they grow on such incredibly steep calcareous slopes

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that they almost don't really need spines because they're out

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of reach of anything that might eat them to begin with.

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So they can, you know, they say, fuck it, we're

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just gonna turn these into this coat of hairs. What's been,

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you know, mind blowing to me is just how mild

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the climate is. I mean, it is December, it's winter,

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but you know, I was wearing a hoodie yesterday, and

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then I'm sure in the summer it's just hot as balls.

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But yeah, I mean it's been. It's been really pleasant. Again.

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We're at you know, forty three hundred feet elevation, and

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we are in these canyons. They mostly grow in these

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steep canyons, very very steep canyons, unstable shale and tallis

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and yeah, man, it's been. It was great to see

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these things thirty feet tall, some of them, you know,

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growing with pinion pines. In one spot, these weeping pinion pines,

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the Mexican weeping pinion pine Pinus Pinsiana. Okay, that was nice.

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That was a really beautiful glaucus yucca. And we're you know,

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we're headed up to the cloud forest. We're going through

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all these mid elevation areas. Now we're forty eight hundred

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feet going off past Cephalo series. Menzilia is so dominant here.

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There's Menzilia everywhere, and this one is really I mean,

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it really sticks to you. We came out covered in

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the leaves. What is that leon? Notice that invasive lamy ace.

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There's Florenzia resinosa again, some massive bushes of that we

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saw yesterday, along with Fukaria fasiculada. Absolutely mind blowing plant.

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Probably one of the most bizarre plants I've seen. Here's

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Nicotiana glaca treat tobacco invasive his hell, which is invasion

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of his hell in California as well. But Fukaria fasiculada

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is one of the weirdest. I mean, it's up there

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with well witchy. You know when people ask me the

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thibor play it, and you know, it'said, fucking I love

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all of them, right, but Forcaria for siculata, I mean,

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there's just these doctor Sussian bottle trees. And you can,

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you know, when you see like a colony of ten

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of them. I don't know if it's all the same

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individual or different seedlings, but each one is like the

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size of a fucking yoga bowl, you know, and green

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and just has it. It looks like a bottle, like

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one of those weird fucking Kianti bottles? Is that what

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it is? I don't drink. What's this shit called kyanti?

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I think it's called kanti? What is it? What is it?

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I don't know. I fucking hate alcohol. I hate alcohol.

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I can't stand it makes people fucking insufferable. But uh, okay,

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we go. We gotta stand on the road here. Oh

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what's this leg him? But it's all this calcareous geology.

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And then to this morning we eat a wonderful little jaunt,

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a little wonderful sachet up a fucking really narrow wash

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that was all calcareous shale. But then there'd be the occasi,

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you know, boulder of basalt that came down from up

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top because there was a much younger layer of flood

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basalts that apparently was draped over all of the calcarious

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geology like a beautiful icing on top of a cake.

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But yeah, the Fulkaria fisiculata. I mean we left yesterday

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at dusk on these completely sketchy roads, windy sketchy roads

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with you know, little pecan orchards down below, going up this,

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you know this place where there shouldn't it seems like

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there shouldn't even be a road, you know, it felt

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like you know, I used to work I was working

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for the road. I used to do conductor jobs up

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the Feather River Canyon and it was just the same thing.

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I mean, they're just giant, just complete the whole the

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mountain just wants to come down, wants to come down

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and wants to get washed out to sea. It's worse,

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it's going through. It's bound for the ocean, you know,

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it wants to go be free. And so there's just

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these giant boulders coming down everywhere. Giant. I mean, it's

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the maintenance that was required both on the Feather River

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Canyon Railroad in northern California and Plumus County as well

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as here. It's just nuts. I mean, the canyon was

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just insane, but it's all that calcarious geology and then

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you'd see these massive hanging over the side of these

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rock cuts high above you, these massive Fukaria fisiculata, and

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then we find a little area where we get in there.

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In my first experience with that species came from a

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shipment of poach specimens that sewel Ross University received from

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Customs was probably going to some Japanese traders or some

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bullshit plant fetishes that have no collectors, that have no

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respect for habitat or interest in habitat, or interest in conservation.

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They're just, you know, they're like, they're like they might

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as well be breeding poodles or something, you know, for

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the dog shows and shit. I mean just they're kind

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of like irrelevant shit and beautiful plants they make. I'll

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give them that, but you know, the destruction of habitat

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that's entailed versus why not just get a couple of seats?

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Did do those people did? Like any of these these

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you know boutiques, these boutique growers in Asia, they or

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check or stuff, they have any interest in habitat? Do

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they care about habitat at all? I don't know. I

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doubt it. I doubt it. I just you know, they're

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just hoarding primace. Might as well be collecting star wars,

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figurines or fucking you know, seventies lunch boxes or something anyway,

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But for cary for sticular, I didn't know they got

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that bit because the only time I've ever seen them

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was poach specimens that were very small. These were fucking massive,

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I mean, twenty thirty feet tall. They were flowering. To

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the flowers imply moth pollination. They're white, they've got exerted anthers,

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so they're outside of the corolla, like, you know, jutting

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outside the corolla. So a moth, a moth could uh

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you know, feasibly be going for some nectar and then

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just get dusted, get its head dusted with some pollen.

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And what was interesting to me was that the leaves

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of you know, because that's all Okatello species do is

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they turn their petioles into spines, right, but all there's

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lois Cilia mexicana, is that what it is, the Mexican

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of the red one polmoniacy. But you know, they that's

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all Oktas are doing, is turning their petioles into spines.

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California and West Texas. The leaf blade emerges photosynthesizers for

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a while, it's got a pettiole about an inch inch

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and a half long, two inches long sometimes, and then

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the leaf blade falls off. The petiole remains, and now

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you've got a spine. But on this, on Fysiculata, it

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seemed like the leaf blade emerges and then while the

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leaf is still photosynthetically active, the red pettiole kind of

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breaks off from the leaf blade like a like a sheath.

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leaf is still active. The leaf blade doesn't need to

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fall off, so I couldn't see you. And then they've

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got fo curious went ends has the second year's growth.

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It comes out of fascicles, you know, So the first

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year leaf has a pettiole. In the second year leaf

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just comes out of fascicles. But in these it seems

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I didn't see any second year leaves. I don't know,

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but there weren't a lot of leaves. They weren't fully

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leafed out, so who knows. Oh yeah, see, we're getting

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much more verdant than green. God, it's crazy how quick

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it changes. Holy fuck, I guess we did go up

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a thousand feet. But uh, now there's junipers and oaks,

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this beautiful hillside covered in junipers and oaks, junipers flaccida,

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and oh wow, what is it? I don't know what

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the hell end was? Was that the what is the

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which the suppothe genus begins with the seas? Forget we

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saw one of them, rutasies. The family pubescents is the species.

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Kind of a rare species there were There was only

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one other one or two other observations on a naturalist

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before Cassa moroa. That's it, cassiroa. God, there's still mortillocactus,

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but it's growing with oaks and juniperse It's so mind

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imbing here. It really challenges it challenges your assumptions at least.

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Did you come from northern latitudes about about what the

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habit that is? You know, if it's if it's uh,

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there's a clematis, if it's desert, if it's fucking oak woodland,

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what is it? You know? It's just it's it's because

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it's it's kind of neither. I mean, it can be both,

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I guess, but it's just seasonal dryness. It's really all

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it is. At low latitudes, it's seasonal dryness at low latitudes,

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things are so different. At the lower latitudes, you can

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have you know, plant communities composed of species you would

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never expect to sea together. It's quite bizarre. We just

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we've seen a sign. It's just say vnded Barregos. Do

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you want to buy a sheep? And I had half

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a mind to say yes after I saw those baby

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goats in that wash today. It was quite adorable. Our

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goats are terrible for the fucking East. They're like cats.

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But but you know, they are cute, and they are cute,

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you know, and you can you keep a goat indoors?

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could put it in a little touxedo and shit dress

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it up? Is that animal abuse? I don't think so

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put a little sailor head. Yeah. We were walking up

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this really narrow wash, but very easy to climb due

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to the tilted bedding planes of the shale, and I

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saw these two little baby goats. I was just standing

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there filming a thirty foot tall cephalo series growing out

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of the canyon wall, and there was a there was

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a couple of little baby goats and then one of

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them was one of them was chilled. The other was

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kind of freaked out. I think they had just been born.

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The placenta was still there. And AM heard the one

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freaking out and came down. I saw, I saw those horns.

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I said, fuck this and jetted. But then she seemed

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timid anyway, and I was able to just walk right

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by them, thankfully, like two feet away from them, because

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it was a narrow canyon, you know, they were, and

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she chose a good spot to you know, to do

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her to have her kids. But shit, So anyway, we

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just passed the little garden full of Brookmonzi's in this

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tiny little cobblestone village. And so there's brook manzi is

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growing here too, which you know, if you know, don't

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like a lot of heat. So that's the thing. And

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there was just mortillocactus five hundred feet below. So that's

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fucking with. That's what's going on here ecologically and floristically

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and climatically in terms of plant communities. Got that lois

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Cilia's beautiful. Okay, that's a common genus. We've been seeing.

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This one, the red one, the red flowered one, is

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quite common at higher elevations. It's a more music and

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cooler species. But then you've got these little purple ones

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that grow on the more lower elevation dry scrublands. But

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they've all got those purplish blue anthers, purplish blue pollen. Okay,

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so now we just went over this little ridge, I

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mean literally, it's been thirty seconds and now we opened

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opened up into this tree filled valley filled with cypresses

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and oaks, has sparaciprus. Oh, there's pines here. I guess

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it's just petula and planted cypresses and oaks. It's just

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it's totally verdant in green, and it looks like the

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countryside of Marine County or some shit. It's crazy Marine County, California,

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you know, very expensive, very expensive, lots of rich people.

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and uh, you know, and then maybe someone might try

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to sell you an herbal colonic. You never know, could

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be both right. It's some new age healers, you know,

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they're having tantric sex orgies in a fucking yert somewhere.

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It's one Marine County. That's Sonoma too. Anyway, it's wild.

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So it's just it's crazy how quick it changes all

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the moisture evidently kept in this little bowl, and then

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when you go outside the bowl it gets drier. Yeah,

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this is so verdant in it's crazy. Myrtillocact's just on

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the other side of that little ridge nuts. Oh it's shady,

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it's music, it's moist. It's very nice here. But anyway,

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back to the Bucharia physculada, So that's that spot again.

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It's in a very narrow canyon. They're up on the

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on the ridges too. On these slopes. The terrain again,

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really I think it really affects what I guess, how

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armed these plants can be or not armed in the

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case of Cephalos series, because it's so steep, it's such

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unstable terrain. You know, you figure a giant sloth would

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have a lot of trouble, you know, a ground sloth

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would have a lot of trouble fucking around on those

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slopes without falling and breaking its ass because they're they're

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unstable and there's I mean, a human can barely walk

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really sketchy, and especially because of how easily the substrate crumples.

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But but yeah, god, there was some beautiful Tilanzia species

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like three feet long, you know, leaf plates five inches long.

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You know, some of these designer tilanzi as you see

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in these expensive plant boutiques. They were just draped all

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over these these things at the base, I mean, really peculiar,

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you know, just drinking through their leaves, doing the whole

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Tlanzia thing. You know, no roots, barely any roots at all.

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I don't need them. They're just facultative anchors. Anyway. They

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drink through the peltate, that is, shield like tricombes on

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there on their leaves. Looks like a little umbrella. If

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you were to do a cross section, like a vertical

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cross section of the leaf, it would look like a

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you know, it's a pelte tricho. It looked like a

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little umbrella coming right off the leaf surface of the epidermis.

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Beautiful plants though, beautiful, I mean fuck. There were like

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four or five different species of Tilansia. And then we

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saw this this area we went by. I could see

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it from high up on this sketchy one lane ridge

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that you know, strangely enough, had giant mac trucks going

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by every thirty minutes on it, you know, like dump

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trucks often they go over because it, again, it's really steep.

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And it was on those sketchy ridges that I saw

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a Nahuatlia species, which is endemic to Hidalgo, you know,

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relative of guk Nadia. This thing looked like it might

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have been a proteace or something. It had sessile I

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think it was mostly sessile eaves, or if they were,

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there was only a tiny petiole. It had a white undersides.

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It was Nahualia Herlingiana h E R. I'm not gonna

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try to spell it. I'll suck it up. But if

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you look in the Floristic Checklist of Mexico, it's a

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list of the entire country of Mexico, a checklist. I'll

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actually put it. I'll put a link in the podcast

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description because it's a great it's a great resource to have.

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But but yeah, anyway, so you know, if you find it,

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you can find it if you just look up Nahuatlia

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formerly guk Nadia. I guess it would have been guck

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Nadia maybe when the list came out, I don't know,

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but I saw that there as well. But when that

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was really peculre, I mean, again, the terrain is just

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so incredibly steep. It's like the Andes. It reminds me

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of parts of the Andy's and so anyway, when shortly

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after that, I was looking over the side of the

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ridge down below at some beautiful columnar cacti that were

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probably twenty thirty feet tall, multiple stems, but they looked

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like they were all white at the top, so I

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assumed it was Cephlo Serious, but that would be You

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never see Cephalo Serious clumped so closely together like that,

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you know, twenty thirty stems on the same individual, So

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that seemed very odd to me. But they did have

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this white top, and I figured it was just the

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white hairs of Cephalo Serious sceniless. And then we got

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closer and I realized it was all vulture shit, and

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the vultures were hanging out on top of these cacti,

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shitting on them, shit, pruning the cacti. You know, a

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columnar cactus can only take so much shit on top

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of it before it starts to rot, you know, from

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excess nitrogen as well as just bacteria in the shit

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slowly starting to finally decompose the cactus. And so these

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cactus the tops would get shipped on by the vultures.

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We hang out on them, got some wonderful shots of

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all the vultures hanging out of them, and then the

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top would die and then it would re sprout from

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the bass from a dormant but at the base and

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grow a new stem, and so they were kind of

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like shit printing them. They had ended up having a

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very a very bizarre shape, a very bizarre habit, and

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it was fucking hilarious. But yeah, then the tops would

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die and they were just covered in bird shit and

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then they would you know, start rotting away, and then

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it would so that it was not severalo serious. It

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was isolato series du mortierray, which I realized when I

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got closer to it almost looked like which can look

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like Pakistris webre, you know, the giant what's the common

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name for Pakiste's webre? You know oregonos? Yeah, so, uh,

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but they don't come that, they don't come that far north,

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so uh yeah, man, I don't know. It was it

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was really bizarre to see, really cool. I also saw

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an endemic and very rare species of Scootelaria, a red Scootelaria,

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growing out of the cliffs with very short abbreviated leaves.

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Probably I don't know what a centimeter was it just

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a male of propism, I mean to say attenuated. I

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don't know, like abbreviated it works too very uh, you know,

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maybe a centimeter long opposite leaves. And then the big

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giveaway that it was a scuotelaria is when you look

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at the klyx, it looks like a little mouth, like

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a little like duck lips mouth, like a duck lip selfie,

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you know, looks like the Mara a Lago face. God,

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that's fucking you know what mar a Lago faces say? Sir,

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you do do it? Yeah, do it. Let's do an

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impression of it, like look, but when you gotta get

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a face lift and some shit injected. You know, when

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you hate yourself and you don't you don't know how

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to love yourself and the way you look, and so

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you you have to fuck your face up with injection.

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I think it's hilarious. It's also very tragic and sad.

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But when it's happening to rich people, it's okay. It's well,

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it's not okay, but it's funny. It's I have sympathy

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for everybody, love for all you know, uh, you know,

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even the fucking Charlotteans that profess to be Christians, but

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you know, if they met Jesus, they'd probably crucifying themselves.

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You know, he's a fucking pacifist Kami. We don't want

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that shit here, right, We're gonna believe our our bottom

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of the brainstem. What the fuck. Oh that's a massive landslide.

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Huh Holy shit, that's a massive landslide. God damn it

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that they're working on repair and I see three guys

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staring at a hole in the ground. Holy shit, God,

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the mountains just want to come down. You know, it's

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just constant maintenance. But you get that the rumbas, and

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maybe you get some you know, celasipies. I wonder if

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silasipes up at the Korum comes up this far north

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it does, right, Yeah, that probably because it's down in Mexico.

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Yeah yeah, Oh, get alane up here, and it's one

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of the most beautiful psychoactive mushroom species. Velasa bees up

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at the Coorum with this. Oh god, it was it

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was I remember almost I remember it was getting rained

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and we were in a very narrow gorge and uh,

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I think it was in Morels in twenty twenty two,

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and we were looking at these like nine inch talls

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velasa bees up at the corum and we got we

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got fucking started pouring on us and I had to

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climb up a hillside covered in poison ivy. I didn't

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get any though, amazingly, I think because it was raining

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so hard, completely soaked. I had a luckily, I had

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a waterproof you know, messenger bag. I threw my gear

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in there. This slope was just you know, excruciating to

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climb up because he kept falling, was so steep and unstable.

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And then we got to the top and we were

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all all fucking stoke because these things, these mushrooms were

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so beautiful, they were so it was such a cool spot,

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you know. But you know, it's so you had to

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go through the ovelget see if garbage to get to

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them first, because everybody get the litters, so they see it.

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It's like they see a hillside down here, and they

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want to just throw garbage over the side of it.

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You know, if you don't have any garbage, fuck it,

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we'll make them. You know, do we have any garbage

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we can we can get to throw over the hillside,

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say sor let's pick a. Let's pick a fucking right

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up here, pull over here, we'll throw some garbage over

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the side, fuck it, you know, just like plastic bottles, shit, paper,

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plastic bags. Ah, it's been it's been disconcerting seeing the

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amount of disrespect that Mexicans have for their native flora,

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just like Americans. You know, it's everywhere. This is like

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a I guess, you know, if I was like a

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twenty year old sociology student, I'd say it's, you know,

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the product of colonialism. But I think it's a little

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bit more nuanced and deeper than that. I think it's

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I think it's a fundamental disconnection from reality. And I

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do get tired the identity indigenous people. Indigenous people are

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the protectors. There was that stupid fucking meme going on, right,

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and I'm not knocking indigenous people, of course, but this

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is really simplistic thinking. It's buzzwords, it's token ism, it's

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borderline racist and fucking corny. Aside from just being fucking

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corny as hell, you know, a human is a human

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is a human right. Not every culture some did, some don't.

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Not every culture that was happened to be indigenous you know,

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has naturally has respect for their place and things right,

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some do, some don't. But uh yeah, it's been it's

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been wild to just see them. Mean, you know, the

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ship that the destruction that goes on the like, you know, plants,

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the native plants are always seen as messy. And then

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you go to like the downtown plaza and its plazas,

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and it's always the corniest. You know, I will lead

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a grandma shit, no offense that do love. You know,

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the granty's are shut out to them. You know, we

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much some wonderful uh you know, old old ladies here,

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but it's you know what I mean, the the bogain

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v is, the abulitist style garden design of like bogain

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v is, and just fucking cast arrhinas, the Australian pines

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as they call them, which are actually more closely related

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to oaks. You always, you always see this shit, you know, planted,

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and wherever Latin America or United States, you see complete

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disregard for the native plants, complete disinterest in them. They're

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seen as messy. You know. I think it's just again,

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technology allows humanity to get far away from nature, and

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once we realize we don't need it anymore, or we

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think we don't need anymore, then we stop caring about

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it and failed to see the bigger picture, you know,

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whereas societies that realize they do need it because they

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have to live within it, that's where it comes from,

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you know. But again, just because someone's inherently got a

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certain fucking there's no like genetic disposition for this, which

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you know, the identitarians seem to imply, there's no genetic

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position for an awareness or appreciation of these things or respect.

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You know, yes, I don't know, I think that. But again,

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the thing that's kept most of Mexico intact comparatively to

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the United States is the Ahito system, the fact that

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developers can't move in and swiftly fuck up and destroy,

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and just the fact that they don't have this you know,

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they want they might want it, but they don't have this.

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This economy based on urban sprawl, you know, intense consumerism

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to the extent that Americans do, and especially fucking driving.

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The driving requires so much space, the parking lots, all

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that shit. But you know that said, I was in

457
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,799
Mexico City and of course it smells like a parking garage.

458
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:50,640
Cancer rates through the roof due to all the pollution.

459
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:55,640
There's extreme health effects, and people insist on driving despite

460
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000
the fact that the fucking bus and the subway system

461
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:01,319
are excellent and they only cost six pace. We rode

462
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:04,000
a lot of buses just a few days ago, a

463
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:07,279
lot of buses. Wonderful system they got, these street buses.

464
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,119
The buses basically are treated like street cars. They've got

465
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,359
their own lane no one can drive in. They're separated

466
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,519
from the other traffic lanes by concrete bumpers. You board

467
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:23,079
them at four feet high. You know, they're so there's

468
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,799
like a platform where you wait in the center. You know,

469
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:27,880
it feels like the Brown Line in Chicago when it's

470
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,599
running at street level. You know you're the or like

471
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,000
the Blue line on when it's running down the I

472
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,000
two ninety, like where the platforms in the center and

473
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,440
and the bus lanes on either side. It's really nice,

474
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,160
and people still insist on driving despite the faith. We

475
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,000
will fucking take you an hour to go what it

476
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,799
would take you forty minutes to walk. That's how fucking

477
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:52,880
bad the traffic is. People still insist on doing It

478
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,240
makes everything fucking stink. The high hell smells like a

479
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,240
park of great. Metro city is great. Downtown area is

480
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,119
fucking amazing. Right, you can walk, you can find anything.

481
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,519
There's tons of cool museums, and people still insist on driving.

482
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:05,759
Get the fuck out of your car. It's crazy. This

483
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,799
is what people do anywhere, you know, it's wild to me.

484
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,839
I don't understand why the people drive in Chicago when

485
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,799
you got a wonderful public transit system there. It's fucking pathetic, man,

486
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,920
Get out of Get out of your car, fatty, get

487
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,039
out and take a fucking walk. What are you doing?

488
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,680
You bring these thank ye, I think you have it, Mike,

489
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:25,319
and then I can have my trunk and threaking Dean,

490
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,720
and then you gotta spend twenty minutes looking for fucking parking.

491
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,400
Fuck you walk? Huh? Are we going right? I think

492
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,519
we're going right away. Look it's so pleasant. Look at

493
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,119
these pines. Patula is there? Heart weggy and not yet

494
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,039
not her weggy as higher up right right? Yeah? Man,

495
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:46,160
oh god, beautiful mushroom diversity here. Look there's an older

496
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,680
older Where could you see older growing twenty minutes after

497
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,720
you just seen him? Martillo cactus? Anyway, so we just

498
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:56,599
took a quick break. We left you for a minute.

499
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:58,759
We were in a cloud forest fucking around looking at

500
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,400
Magnolia's Guysandra I foind a really interesting centric pogon, which

501
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,960
is a lowbilioid. You know, it's got that bilatterally symmetrical

502
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,839
flower with the tubine. It looks like a lobilia. But

503
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,079
uh but uh yeah. Now we're going to look for Meliosma,

504
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,400
which is in proty alies. It's a relative of protea,

505
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,319
so this should be fucking weird. Oh wow, there's obsidian

506
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,240
in the mountain. That's kind of cool. We should go

507
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,480
back and stop and look at that. There's obsidian buried

508
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,319
in this road cut. Can we back up with a yeah?

509
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,119
Let me they put the tires here for the mud

510
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,920
and shit, God damn the giant chunks of obsidian. Yeah,

511
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,440
let's keep going up. Uh, you're good. I think there's yeah,

512
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,160
giant chunks of obsidian in the mountain. Yeah. Me and

513
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,599
Seesar both were both we were just we were dreaming

514
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,240
about the Fukyria fisiculada last night. Yeah, we're just gonna

515
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,640
park here in the side of road. It's fight. We'll

516
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,880
put the blinkers on. We're gonna look at this obsidian. Oh,

517
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,279
that was nice. Just the massive obsidian flow, well wasn't

518
00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:01,119
a massive It was like, you know, the sixty meters maybe, no,

519
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,200
there's more. Okay, it is pretty massive on this road

520
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,640
cut just coming up. Probably pretty old. It's not like

521
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Glass Mountain in northern California where you can actually get up.

522
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,559
It's not like Glass Mountain in Northern California where you

523
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,559
can actually get up and walk on the flow. This

524
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,680
is uh, this is just coming on the roadside and

525
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,079
it's all you know. It's in a matrix of volcanic mud.

526
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:24,240
Like it looks like like sticky, it looks like volcanic ash,

527
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:27,920
and you touch it, it's like volcanic clay. But but yeah,

528
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,559
very interesting. So now we're going to see Meleosma, which

529
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,359
is in proty Ales. Oh it was a ssyathea. It

530
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,599
was a tree fern. But we're in this you know,

531
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,680
really green music forest. I was excited to see Skysandra

532
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,480
where we just wore as well, which you know, the

533
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:51,519
first time I saw that planet was in Atlanta, Georgia,

534
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,759
growing in a like the outskirts of a residential area.

535
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,440
I think it was technically church property, but it was

536
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,039
basically forest. It was still in the city limits. But

537
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:06,160
it was for whoa fuck, and that's a broad turn.

538
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:12,519
We should be careful anyway. Uh, but it was in

539
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,799
you know, it was it was It was remnant forests

540
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,720
in the Atlanta city limits that had never been destroyed

541
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,119
and had been overtaken with English ivy, and you know,

542
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:27,880
poison ivy. Poison ivy was really thriving. There is a

543
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:34,119
is a ruteral plant and then in Sky'sandra everywhere. So god,

544
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:37,319
I've never seen English ivy behave so invasively as I

545
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:40,400
have in that little patch. It's very invasive. In the southeast.

546
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,319
Always saw this cool solinum too, with orange fruits and

547
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,039
papery papery klyxes, you know, still like the fruit ensconced

548
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:53,400
in the klyx. But wow, look at these fucking ferns. Man.

549
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,480
And we just saw a really bizarre fungus. I don't

550
00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:59,079
know what the fuck it was. I couldn't tell what

551
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,640
it was, a bright orange fungus and if you touch

552
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,680
it it squirted out white sportes. But it looked like

553
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,960
it was had these like jelly like seeds in it too.

554
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,160
It was really bizarre, right, would you say? They looked

555
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,279
like seeds? Yeah, they looked like frog eggs. It was

556
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,680
fucking wild. But oh yeah, thanks to Sezar for driving

557
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,559
right now. My friend who's a biologist, My friend Saysar

558
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,519
who's biologists from Mexico City. It did a video at

559
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,759
his house last year where he was breeding all these

560
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,920
rattlesnakes for release back into the wild like crotals. Zopkhn

561
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,200
You still got that one, yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's

562
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,119
got a male du so you know, he's making rattlesnake

563
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,039
baby's in his apartment in Mexico City, which is great.

564
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,960
And uh and then he's there. They're from the UK.

565
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:58,799
He said, that's from the Yucatan likes yeah, pat h huh.

566
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,160
It's a beautiful rattles like jasus. So anyway, we're gonna

567
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,200
check on this smelliosma and which I was not familiar

568
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,759
with until my friend Mark Olsen, who teaches at you know,

569
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,599
told me about it. So got tons of landslides here

570
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,279
though tons of the room bays. Yeah, and just like that,

571
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,599
we're out of the cloud forest. We come down on

572
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,160
the west side. Now we're in the rain shadow and

573
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,519
there's slopes full of Isolato sirius and Martillo cactus. And

574
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,559
large yuccas. There's still oak trees worth sixty five hundred

575
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:41,480
feet elevation. So it's really just it's that rain shadow,

576
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:44,920
all that all that warm moist there coming off the

577
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,119
Gulf of Mexico, hits the Sierra Madre and then dries

578
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,079
out on the west side. But it is very pleasant

579
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:55,000
temperatures now it is Chili got It's fucking beautiful lista,

580
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,920
the sun going down lighting up these hillsides covered in

581
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,039
blue columnar cact the Isolato sirious rocks. There's fucking oak

582
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:08,759
trees here. It's very lush, very very lush. That there's

583
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:12,480
this montanoa that I've been seeing everywhere as well, which

584
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,759
was the genius that the laid Vicky Funk was studying.

585
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,559
Really nice woman. She sent me the composite e book,

586
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,079
the Astrace Book, for free. It's like a thousand page

587
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,559
she used to work of the Smithsonian. I wrote her

588
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:28,240
and I was like, man, is this where can I

589
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,960
get this? She's like, I'll just send you one and arrived.

590
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,680
It was like fifteen pounds, one of my cherished books

591
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,240
in my library. But we just saw, yeah, we just

592
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,759
saw Meliosma from the family sabi Ace, which is order

593
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:48,480
of prote alies. Really bizarre. The flowers weren't open yet,

594
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,960
but you know, I just didn't know what it was.

595
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:52,799
Just like I said, I have to get flower money

596
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,680
shots somewhere else. We'll see where. I'm totally scared of tops.

597
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,799
Now we've had a couple bad run ins with the

598
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,480
pes in the whole fucking car, you know, because you

599
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,519
don't see him until it's too late. Next thing, you know,

600
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:12,159
you're just shit's flying everywhere, and yeah, it's it's brutal. God,

601
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,320
it's so lush man for for the dry season, it's

602
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,880
very lush. Okay, So now we're you know, we're back

603
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,039
on a quarta. We came down out of the mountains.

604
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,599
We came down out of fucking where'd we stayed mineral

605
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:33,039
what was it called Mineral del Chico? Minorrel del Chico? No, No,

606
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:34,679
what was this town? And we stayed in like a

607
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,800
dory a tourist town. Yeah, Mineraelo del Monte up at

608
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,000
eight thousand feet. We like rented a room in this

609
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:46,480
little this family's little house because it was the only

610
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:49,119
thing available that wasn't a ripoff. And then we went

611
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,719
to go see Doug fur Man the forest up there

612
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,760
are brutal. They look like shit. It's said there's an

613
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,920
invasive beetles. Do you remember the genus name of the beetles.

614
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,199
I don't know. So it's from it's from another continent.

615
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,199
It's from a very disjunct ecosystem, and it's wrecking the forest.

616
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,440
I'm surprised that. I wonder if it's hit because I

617
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,119
haven't heard of it in the United States. I wonder

618
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,760
if it's non tolerant, the freezing or something. Maybe that's

619
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,440
why it hasn't hit the I don't know, but it

620
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,280
just sounds like maybe they need to give it back

621
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,440
to indigenous stewardship. Could that be? It? Is that what

622
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,639
they need to do. This is a brave two spirit

623
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,119
indigenous disabled in a wheelchair with long COVID, and they're

624
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,280
gonna change it. They're doing a lot more work than

625
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,440
you are with your Western with your Western science, you

626
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,639
your westerns. Yeah, that's right, you better start apologizing to me,

627
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,960
mister Mayor on you fucking piece of shit Western scientist.

628
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Did you know that taxonomy is just the history of

629
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:51,480
white people stealing things? That's all it is, all botanical science.

630
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,760
It's just actually had someone say it to me. They

631
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,199
were Caucasian, of course, like they always are, but we

632
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,800
don't need to. We were talking about that earlier. It

633
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920
is so hilarious. Anyway, the forests looked kind of rough,

634
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,000
lots of dad Amy's religiosa, and we kept man, we

635
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,440
drove around for like fucking what was it like four hours?

636
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,599
Save Shark was very patient, seriously, because I was, I

637
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,760
gotta fix. I had the fuckings I've seen Suda suga

638
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:20,360
in the way we lay owned before. But the cones

639
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,880
on the on the ecotype down here look wild. The

640
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,239
the little mousetails that come out of the cone scales

641
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:31,639
like recurve upwards. It's fucking bizarre. Man. It looks totally

642
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,519
different than any of the the ecotypes I've seen in

643
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:39,960
the United States. And uh so, anyway, I was we

644
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,960
had to find it. Then my friend Jeff Bisbee, old friend,

645
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:44,719
I mean, we're not like super tight, you know, we

646
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,239
wouldn't go fucking play back gaming together and ship on

647
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,280
the weekends, you know, But in acquaintance he got me

648
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,800
into Conifers like fifteen years ago. God, that guy's driving

649
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,239
like a cunt too. Fuck, but he uh, he had

650
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,800
he had seen it here, and it's it's where I

651
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,599
found it. It's you know, AB's is very shade tolerant,

652
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,719
and they're getting hit hard with this invasive beetle. I mean,

653
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:08,840
I don't know if it's the beetle or another insect,

654
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,320
but they wrapped the ends of the voliage into these

655
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,119
little cocoons. It sounds more like caterpillar activity, I suppose,

656
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,280
I don't know. These trees look like shit. It's really sad.

657
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:22,599
Entire swaths of forests dying here. And since the insect

658
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,199
pathogen is in native like pine bark beetles are in

659
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,360
North American, you know, the United States, it seems like

660
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,039
it's going to take a lot to stop them because

661
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,480
there's the trees have not probably dealt with them or

662
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:38,360
any of their close ancestors in nine or ten million years,

663
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,599
however long it's been since, you know, temperatures were warm

664
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:46,679
enough and you could get kind of a continuous eco

665
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,639
tone between North America and Asia. You know what I

666
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:51,960
just won the last time. I just won a lot

667
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,840
of these different lineages. It seems got separated, you know,

668
00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:00,960
like Chinese and American chestnuts, et cetera a million years ago.

669
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,079
So we're talking Mia scene, you know again, and they

670
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,800
again it was because the higher latitudes were warmer. I suppose,

671
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,559
I think that's what it is, you know. And then

672
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:13,599
western North America used to have all this a lot

673
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,960
of these lineages too, but as it started to dry

674
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,360
out anyway, you know, you've read Dave had axl riding anyway.

675
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,440
But uh, but yeah, so these forests just looked rough.

676
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,159
And so we finally found it going around this curve

677
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,199
in this kind of more open area up against this

678
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,159
rocky pinnacle, this this volcanic pinnacle, and there was a

679
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:41,519
stand of like nine or ten Pseuda suga trees and

680
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,280
and that was it. I had to shimmy up this

681
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,840
roadside to go photograph them. And they looked kind of

682
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,639
rough too, but they weren't getting as hit hit as

683
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:52,880
bad as the abies. The furs are really getting taken out.

684
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,199
It was. It was rough to see. It just makes

685
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:01,000
you wonder, man, between that and climate change, invasive species

686
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:05,239
and climate change, you know, what are this What are

687
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,519
these areas gonna look like in fifty years? Really makes

688
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,639
me wonder, you know, if they're doing this little parade,

689
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,719
what's it for the Guadalupe what's it called? Yeah, just

690
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,280
the day of the Virgin. You know, they're they're doing,

691
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,400
you know, for the Guadalupe thing. The Spanish made it.

692
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,920
What was it? The Spanish made it up. It was

693
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,199
like throw the people a bone. But it was based

694
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:26,960
on an on uh because they don't call them mass

695
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,559
text down here. It was based on a what Michigan

696
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,440
got us. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, they having parades. You know,

697
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,559
everyone's eight million people flood Mexico City mid December. Uh,

698
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:41,800
and they're they're you know for the sal got like

699
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,400
little Guadalupe shrines on their trucks and ship. It was

700
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,639
people biking, lots of people biking on the on the kuotos.

701
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:51,119
It was nice to see. But anyway, so now we're

702
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,159
headed to Wahaka and uh, we're gonna look at some

703
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,719
of the drive forests that I'm very excited to be

704
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,079
in those lovely forests again, the lovely drive forests of Wahaka.

705
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,239
But yeah, man, it's wild. It's during the place to scene.

706
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,840
I bet I bet there was a you know, those

707
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,800
those abs forests of course came down to somewhat lower elevations,

708
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,800
but it's white. It's wild though, because you're in these

709
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,559
forests and uh, and then you'll see like all these succulents,

710
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:26,000
you know, because you think, you know, if you're thinking,

711
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,719
if you grew up in the United States, you grew

712
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,239
up more temperate latitudes. You know, high elevation montane forests

713
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,719
get really cold. But I don't believe it really freezes

714
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,679
up in these forests, even though you're at ten thousand feet.

715
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,719
Maybe occasionally you'll get a frost, but I mean there's

716
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,920
delanzias on everything. All these fir trees of giant Delanzia

717
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,400
is on them. There's uh tons of like arborescent not arborescent,

718
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,760
but they're you know, for a seedum, they're arborescent seedums

719
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,800
and shit, you know, like shrubby seedums growing on the

720
00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,880
sides of these rock walls and echavarreas everywhere, and it's

721
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,519
it's really cool to see. And then there, you know,

722
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,199
it's just all these lineages that you don't think of

723
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,360
as high montane, especially if you grow up to say

724
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,000
in the rocky mountains, you know. But but yeah, there

725
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,840
was massive opuntius. But a puntius can be pretty pretty

726
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,519
cold tar. But I think this was a punti of

727
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,840
robusta or something up there. I mean, the pads, the

728
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,840
pads of this a Punthi award, a size of hubcaps,

729
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:32,800
fucking massive, you know, it's it's it's mind blowing for

730
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,840
people that you know, don't aren't aren't familiar with high elevation,

731
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,039
low latitude, and the latitude here is like twenty degrees,

732
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,880
but we're ten thousand feet. You've got increased increased solar

733
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,239
radiation because you're closer to the equator, a different angle

734
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,480
of the sun. But also it's a lot of the

735
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:54,280
moisture in these cloud forests has a very moderating effect,

736
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,639
you know, I think just specifically because it takes much

737
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,320
longer to you know, well, it prevents the heat from

738
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,920
radiating out at night because it acts like a blanket

739
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,599
of fog and cloud cover. And then also just it

740
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:12,199
takes longer for the air to cool down as well

741
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,960
as heat up, so it stays a somewhat consistent temperature.

742
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,119
Incredible for us though, you know, multiple different species of

743
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:23,400
salvia everywhere to most reaching you know, four to five

744
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:27,920
six feet tall fern diversity all over these rocks. It's

745
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,880
highly diverse, really cool to see, really kind of mind

746
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,239
blowing to see, and it also gives an idea of

747
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,920
what you know, some what plant lineages may have been

748
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:46,239
occurring at higher latitudes pre glaciation, you know, like three

749
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,199
four million years ago to two to four million years ago.

750
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,679
Some of these lineages were probably further north. All right,

751
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,360
I'm back, I'm back in the States. Flew back, went

752
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,199
through Dallas four were Worth yesterday and at the god

753
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,400
flying during the holidays as fucking hell. Anyway, the continue

754
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,880
we left off. We were in that cloud forest that

755
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,719
roughly seven thousand feet with a number of oak species.

756
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:20,000
Magnolia shidiana was there. Also saw Skysandra glebra. There was

757
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:25,159
a Lippia miriocephala, which is it was a tree lypya.

758
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,199
It was like eight feet wide with giant leaves. Looked

759
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,360
looked kind of like bud laya cordatta, which is a

760
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:38,800
super common but leaya in Mexico. But yeah, the libya

761
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,679
was fucking wild, man. It was at the edge of

762
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,679
this quarry on this incredibly steep hillside. We went down this,

763
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,440
you know this when we found the magnolia. We went

764
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:55,159
into the cut, like into the woods, very thick cloud forest.

765
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,559
I mean, these forests feel like they've got way more

766
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:02,039
in line with you know, apple or the southeastern United States,

767
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:05,119
and I'm sure they do. I mean, there's so many

768
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:11,280
floristic affinities, you know, similar if not the same species,

769
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,280
than the same genus, et cetera. You know, the same

770
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,039
lineage in these areas. I mean, you could totally tell

771
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,280
prior to glaciation, like say two million years ago, one million,

772
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,639
two million years ago, when the Southeastern US was a

773
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:30,119
little bit warmer, many of these these plants occurred there,

774
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,800
or you know, their last common ancestor did. But this

775
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,599
magnolia was growing right up against you know, a liquid ambar,

776
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,679
a sweet gum, which you still get in you know,

777
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:46,000
fucking Louisiana, for instance. But here it's growing at like

778
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,400
sixty five hundred and seven thousand feet and then a

779
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,800
thousand feet below that there's giant you know, candelabras of

780
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:57,199
Martillocctus that are fifteen feet across, and I mean just

781
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:02,079
just wild again. This challenges is all notions about what

782
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,280
plants grow together, and what ecoregions and biomes are likely

783
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,199
to exist together, what plant communities are likely to exist

784
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:15,079
together if you're from the temperate latitude United States. So

785
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,320
I mean, for me, it's just thinking like a long

786
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,880
term of you know, a more long term idea about

787
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,199
how plants have been distributed across this continent and across

788
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,880
the last you know, the timescale of the last twenty

789
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,800
million years. It's really cool to think about it. And again,

790
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,000
I mean, if anything, philosophically, it just shrinks all the

791
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,199
dumb bullshit that humans are doing. It just shrinks it

792
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,480
so much you realize, like, we really don't have a

793
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:48,400
fucking clue. You know, we're so we are so limited

794
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:52,000
in our understanding, our day to day lives, are so

795
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,719
limited in our understanding of how these plants have existed.

796
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,599
And you know, their distributions have shifted back and forth

797
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,840
across the time you know, the geologic time scale and

798
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,519
according to how you know their district there the climate

799
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:17,159
is has changed, or mountain ranges you know, orogenes, how

800
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:21,559
mountain ranges have come and gone. So it's, uh, god,

801
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,079
it was just it's it's nuts to think about. But yeah,

802
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,159
we saw this massive lipia which is verbin acy. You know,

803
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,559
it's the frog fruit family. You know, most of Thelyppia's

804
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:35,000
we get here in the United States, they're almost all

805
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,920
you know, the relatives of lantana. They're mostly in the

806
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,920
southern United States, but they're you know, they get like

807
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,960
a meter tall. This thing was like twelve feet tall.

808
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,679
And I was able to get a good glimpse of

809
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:50,119
the flowers because it was on a very steep slope

810
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,000
next to a quarry, and the thing was just covered

811
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,440
in butterflies. So that yeah, they ended up being Lippya

812
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:02,840
mario cephala. And then you know, ferns all around, and

813
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,440
what was you know, the fungus that we saw that

814
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:09,360
looked like frog eggs ended up being Ecto micae rhyzol

815
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:16,679
with oaks. The name was Calistoma cinnabarinum c. A. L. O. S. T. O.

816
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,000
M A. It's probably one of the weirdest organisms I've

817
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:23,239
seen in a while. I mean, we saw fucking Fukiia

818
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,320
purpussii the next day. You know, the trio catillo, A

819
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,320
true doctor Sussian plant if there ever was one. But

820
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,880
this fungus, this ectomycorrhizal fungus. It's in the family Sclerodermatasi.

821
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,360
Maybe perhaps you know the genus Scleroderma. It's a basidio

822
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,800
mice fungus uh in uh It's in the class A

823
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,920
gerico mices. Oh no, ship it's in order bullet I

824
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,960
didn't know. I didn't know sclerodermatasi was in the bullied

825
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:58,079
order bullet ailes. But that makes sense because all the

826
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:02,400
Sclerodermo's are or I think almost all of them are

827
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,480
actough micro rhizol as well. But this thing just it

828
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,199
looked like a fucking eyeball. It looked like an eyeball

829
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,719
with you don't like that shit you squeeze out of,

830
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,800
like if you squeeze out like a passion fruit, and

831
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,840
the seeds come out and they're in that they're in

832
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,159
like a jelly, you know, or like if you get

833
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,119
you ever had like a chia drink, like you know,

834
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:24,119
you get like an overpriced gia drink. It did the

835
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:27,039
health food store. And you know chia seeds when you

836
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,920
when you uh, I'm driving, I'm swerving all over the

837
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,639
fucking road here. Sorry you uh, you know, when you

838
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,559
the gia seeds get that jelly around them. That's kind

839
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,599
of what this fungus seemed to be admitting. But it

840
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:43,559
looked like a Halloween eyeball, you know, like a squishy

841
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:47,519
gag eyeball size of an eyeball too. And then it

842
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,000
had this little sphincter in the middle of it that

843
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,079
if you squeeze, and if you squeeze the whole eyeball

844
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:55,920
it shoots out white sports. It was so fucking weird,

845
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,000
you know. I thought it was a parasitic plant at first,

846
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:00,679
and then when I got close to it, I realized

847
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:04,079
it's a fungus. But it was coming up on this

848
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,239
road cut next to Pinguicula more ensis, which is common

849
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,000
down there, I mean pingwicular more and its it's a

850
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:14,159
very very common carnivorous plant. I still don't understand why

851
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:19,199
it does so well on the substrate there, because the substrate,

852
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,559
I mean, this is like rich forest. It doesn't seem

853
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:25,119
to be hurting for nitrogen. There's got to be some

854
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,880
sort of something else going on there ecologically, I don't know,

855
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,840
but either way, that was cool to The Pinguiculas were

856
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,000
going into their winter leaves, you know, the winter leaf rosette,

857
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:38,800
the big broad floppy dog ear cocker spaniel ear leaves

858
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:41,800
fade away and rot and then you're left with this

859
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,760
kind of rosette leaf. Because the next few months in

860
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,320
Mexico it's December, are going to be very dry overall,

861
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,679
and then the rainy season picks back up in uh May.

862
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,039
A lot of the cool cacti in the lowland or

863
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:59,599
the lower elevation deserts. They're not lowlands, there's still like

864
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,800
thirty five hundred feet, but a lot of those flower

865
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,800
in March and April, I believe, and I think like

866
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,079
the pack is series, all the columnar cacti fruit is

867
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:17,559
generally ready in April May, like late April through June,

868
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,679
in anticipation of like the heavier rains that come in

869
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,360
the summer. Anyway, this fucking fungus, going back to the

870
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,440
fungus Calistoma cinnabarinum c. A. L O. S. T O

871
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,000
M A. You got to look this thing up. It's

872
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,239
by far one of the weirdest things. And I've been

873
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,360
in Mexico plenty of times before, especially with Alan kind

874
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,400
of just tagging along on his little mycological expeditions, you know,

875
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,079
when him and Alonzo or you know whoever whatever other

876
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:48,880
Mexican my colleges he'd be traveled with were down here,

877
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,280
and I had never seen this thing before. I should

878
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,840
ask him about it. I mean, I'm sure he's really

879
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,320
familiar with it. God damn, is it weird? Though? What

880
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,159
the fuck, and what are those like frog egg like things.

881
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:02,119
I don't understand the purpose for those or the adaptive

882
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:06,599
benefit for the the frog egg slash chia seed things.

883
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,159
It's I wonder if it's got to do with some

884
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:13,280
sort of dispersal maybe for some bird that it attracts.

885
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,480
It's it's got a vivid color to it as well.

886
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:18,480
I mean, the fact that this thing is so vividly colored,

887
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:22,079
it's a bright orange. That can't just be by chance either.

888
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:26,239
I mean, maybe it could, who knows, but in any case,

889
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,679
it's it's incredibly cool. So the next day we went

890
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:36,280
to go check out for Kyria purpussii, which I got

891
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,360
some really nice flower shots of, you know, and you

892
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,480
could tell so much from a very clear, in focus

893
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:49,320
with good depth of field macro photograph of a flower,

894
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:52,480
especially in the case of this species. I mean, it's

895
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,719
already I already had a feeling. I had a hunch,

896
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,599
a hunch that it was moth pollinated like Fukiria physiculata.

897
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,519
And the two species do look very different. They're completely

898
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:06,440
different growth forms, but they're both succulent bottle bottle trees,

899
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:10,199
except uh, you know, Fukiria physiculata looks like a kianti bottle,

900
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,320
and Fukiria purpussii. These are both, of course okatillo relatives,

901
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,679
same genus. Fukiria purpussii is more of a tree. It

902
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:21,920
looks more like an actual boo jump tree. Fukiria columnaris

903
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:28,960
the cereo from from ba, California. But the bark on

904
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,280
these things, that photosynthetic bark is remarkable. They've both got,

905
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,960
you know, the ability to store I think you know

906
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,199
they've got parentkama tissue. That does it. I read some

907
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,320
paper on the dad damn it, fucking cops. I just

908
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,599
got going so slow. I'm doing this because I when

909
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,079
I'm driving, because I'm so pressed for fucking time now

910
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:51,840
and I'm not gonna have I'm just not gonna have

911
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,199
time to record a podcast when I'm home, and I

912
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,519
want to get all this stuff down, Uh, all these

913
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:02,440
all these verbal notes down before I get back and

914
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,000
have a shit ton of work to do. But anyway,

915
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:09,800
I read a paper on the vasculature. You know it.

916
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:15,599
There were a bunch of cross sections of Fukia propussii, fisiculata,

917
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,559
and a few other species in the genus. We also

918
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:21,599
saw Fukia formosa there, which has red flowers. It basically

919
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:28,920
looks like a single stemmed Fukuria splendins with you know,

920
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,480
with like a main single trunk instead of you know,

921
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:35,800
like Fukia splend ins like typical octillo, has many many

922
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,840
shoots coming out, you know, making it look like some

923
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:47,239
sort of damn you know, underwater coral reef creature. Fukia

924
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,079
formosa has a single trunk upwards of you know, eight

925
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:55,880
inches across in some large specimens, and then bright red,

926
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,920
very obviously hummingbird pollinated flowers. I mean, these flowers have

927
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,280
a very large opening, probably perfect for fitting the shape

928
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,760
of a hummingbird. But they're I'm sure they're generalists as well.

929
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,079
I mean, fucking honey bees will go for anything. I

930
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:14,880
heard there are some wonderful killer bee colonies down there too.

931
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,960
Mark Olsen told me he had been chased a few

932
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:23,000
times in some of the barancas in Hindalgo. Gotta hate

933
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,719
honey bees. But anyway, but Fokiri purpussii, the flowers were white,

934
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,119
their moth pollinated, and the anthers had these really bizarre

935
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,519
you know, if you look at my photo on I'm naturalist,

936
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:38,760
you could see these really bizarre appendages on the end

937
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,280
that could possibly, I suppose, be osmophores, you know, scent

938
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,079
producing structures, or they could be some sort of appendage

939
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:53,559
that helps pollen get the you know, get the hissed

940
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:57,199
from those anthers. But then you know the in the

941
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,079
from looking at the photo, I could tell that the

942
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:04,719
flowers are Protanderus too. You know, there were a couple,

943
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:07,079
there's a bunch of flowers together in a cluster. They

944
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,360
were main open during the day. They're white. The anthers

945
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,119
have these weird white, you know, hairs that come off

946
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:17,440
that are probably two millimeters long. They're not hairs, but

947
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,639
their hair like appendages. And then you know, in a

948
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,159
cluster of flowers, you'd see some that were had just

949
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,199
opened and some that were, you know, on their second

950
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,519
day or whatever. And the ones that out were on

951
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:32,199
their second day the anthers had withered. They weren't. You

952
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,840
can clearly see they're not really putting much pollen out.

953
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,599
They don't look all turgid and turgid. They don't look

954
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:44,519
all turgid and swollen, and they've kind of relaxed horizontally

955
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,000
and in a style comes out of the middle. I

956
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:53,280
counted eight stamens, which is another interesting point to make.

957
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,280
I don't think I've ever actually counted the stamens on

958
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:01,159
Fukyria flowers before, but yet, you know, and I saw

959
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,599
honeybe hitting these two, and then Gabrielle sent me a

960
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:09,239
photo of a American snout or maybe it was some

961
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,039
sort of skipper or something butterfly hitting one during the day.

962
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,639
It might have been a month. I have to look

963
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,519
at the video again. But you know, I'm really interested

964
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,920
in the pollination of both these species, faciculata and Purpussia.

965
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,679
Either's so weird. The white flowers are really notable, something

966
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:31,159
obviously selected for that. Looking at Fakura faciculata flowers, I

967
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,320
wonder if they are protandrous as well. Protandrius is opposed

968
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,719
to protogynas or protogenists. Protandris meaning you know, they're male first,

969
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,079
then they become female a day later, you know, whereas

970
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:50,199
protogenists is, the proto gynus is the opposite. And that's

971
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,639
just of course, to avoid self pollination, to avoid them

972
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:57,559
fucking themselves. You know, it promotes outcrossing, better genetic diversity.

973
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,199
You're not stacking up recessive alleles and the gene pool

974
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,599
you know, like the Spanish monarchy was during the same

975
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:10,280
time they were colonizing and destroying, you know, the indigenous

976
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,639
population and in North America. It's got to put that

977
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,239
in there, just you know, keep it real. Maybe that's

978
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,199
where it came from. You know, they were just they

979
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:24,320
were these these these fucking you know, kings and queens

980
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,199
had been fucking each other's you know, fucking their sisters

981
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,400
and brothers for so long that maybe you got a

982
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,119
couple of recessive alleles stacked up. That's when you get

983
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,760
the lead poisoning too. They're all you know, who knows

984
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,599
what they were smelting back then, you know, eating with

985
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:41,320
pewter or some shit. I don't think Pewter has letten it.

986
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,960
Do Pewter ha let in it. I'm just pulling out

987
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,159
of my asks. Anyway, it made them hyper aggressive and psychotic,

988
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:51,440
I don't know. But then the Anstecs had their whole

989
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,199
death cult thing too. You know, humans are just fucking nuts, right,

990
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,400
The Spanish are fucking nuts. The the or back then,

991
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,960
you know, the colonial system. I sure it's very lovely now.

992
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:03,079
Hear wonderful things about mcdred. I've never been there, but

993
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,320
you know, here. It's wonderful air in the spring. I

994
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,079
wanted to go to to see Drosophylum. Right, they do

995
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,079
it a whole run through the streets thing. But humans

996
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:16,880
just it's you know, we're a crazy fucking species, right,

997
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:21,519
Chimps and bonobos. He definitely got more of the chimp.

998
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,079
But I heard there was a study done where the

999
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:28,960
bonobo's actually or there was research done on a bonobo population.

1000
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:33,920
A bunch of female bonobos ripped this male bonobo's balls

1001
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,079
off and kicked his ass. I guess he he had

1002
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,280
when it came out later though he had threatened an infant.

1003
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:41,280
So the bonobos are again. He just he got a

1004
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,599
lot of very impressive, very impressive species. Anyway, Where was

1005
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:50,840
I faciculata Fukia faciculata in this very narrow canyon that

1006
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,840
felt like a funhouse because the the bedding planes of

1007
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,159
the sedimentary rock had been flipped up at like sixty

1008
00:58:56,159 --> 00:59:02,079
to sixty gree angles. Looking at the fukyria there, I

1009
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:05,079
noticed going back to my photographs because I take really

1010
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,920
nice I gotta get my money shots. It's so much again,

1011
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,079
so much info you can get from macro photos. It's

1012
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:13,559
not about beauty at all fuck that. I don't care

1013
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:16,239
about that. I take some landscape photos whatever if you

1014
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,039
need like some you know, good nature porn or something.

1015
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:24,519
It's in some feel good photos. The macro photos are

1016
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:29,760
so it's it's like it's like a compounding microscope or sorry,

1017
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,199
a stereo microscope. There's so much you can tell from them.

1018
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:37,800
And I'll reference them later, you know, as a record.

1019
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,440
It's got especially if you can get pollinators on flowers.

1020
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,639
Holy shit, you got to do that. Upload those to einatros,

1021
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,760
especially because those detailed ecological relationships. But going back to

1022
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,440
the Bukia Physiculta flowers, I noticed that most of the

1023
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:54,559
flowers were not open. On the cluster. I had a

1024
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:59,440
cluster of like an inflorescence of twenty twenty flowers. Probably

1025
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,360
if you were withered, they had been opened the night

1026
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,239
before one uh, none of them were open yet, but

1027
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,719
they had that look like onnather flowers have you know,

1028
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,760
the evening primrose when they're about And it was just

1029
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,119
before dusk when we were there, when they look like

1030
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:20,960
ripe and full and ready to open. So I'm wondering

1031
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,239
if they open at night. Fuck, we should have stuck

1032
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,079
around too. I don't know, why we didn't. But if

1033
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,559
we did, then we wouldn't have seen Salvia at augaenstis,

1034
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:30,960
which is a really rare yellow salvia at a gross

1035
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:37,400
in the southern Sierra Madre anyway, But the yeah, man,

1036
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,079
I don't, I don't know. We gotta go back. We're

1037
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:41,800
gonna go back next year in December when they flower

1038
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,039
and probably do a pollination study or something. Yeah, just

1039
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:49,440
hang out for two or three days and just photograph

1040
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,639
the shit out of flowers and the you know, visitors

1041
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:57,039
probably hit a few different populations of each species and

1042
01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:00,920
and compare you know, the poll the I guess the

1043
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,079
pollinators between fisiculada and Purpussi. I might guess right now,

1044
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:07,719
and I might be totally wrong, But I'm wondering if

1045
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:12,159
Fukyria is more fasciculata is more of a moth specialist

1046
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:16,800
and the flowers close during the day like they're primarily nocturnal,

1047
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:22,840
and if Fukiia purpussii, on the other hand, is more

1048
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,239
of a generalist like it's evolved with moth pollination. Uh,

1049
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,639
they remain open at night for moths to come hit

1050
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:31,519
them too, but then they stood there open during the

1051
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:35,360
day as well. You know, we didn't stay there that

1052
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,199
late though, we were only there till like noon or one.

1053
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,719
The thing to do is go there at five pm

1054
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,559
and see if Fukyia purpussi flowers are still open at

1055
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:50,480
at five or six. I don't know, but it's really

1056
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:52,760
it's really fascinating because then that what kind of gives

1057
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,519
you a hint as to what over the over the

1058
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,960
last however many millions of years, has been selecting for

1059
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:03,679
pollination in these species. And I'm really curious how long

1060
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,400
they have each been species for. You know, the species

1061
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,679
is always changing, it doesn't really even exist. It's a

1062
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,880
human attempt to put hard boundaries around you know, constantly

1063
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:22,559
evolving life forms. But you know that said something's been

1064
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,320
selecting for something is these things have been interacting with

1065
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,079
every other living thing in their environment, and it makes

1066
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,840
me really curious to see how they've been doing it

1067
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,440
and what's been selecting for them. You know, I didn't know,

1068
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,800
I should have, but I didn't know if for Carriece

1069
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:40,880
is sister to the fhlox family, the pol amoniac. They're

1070
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,079
right next to each other on the cladogram right there.

1071
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:46,920
And a reminder, I'll put a link to the a

1072
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:51,760
drive file with the Mexico checklist on this podcast. I

1073
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,960
gotta get fluent in Spanish, you know, And if I can't,

1074
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,320
then I'll just type some shit out, have it translated

1075
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:02,400
to fluent Spanish, and then do a video basically encouraging

1076
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,199
people in Mexico to use a Naturalists and focus on

1077
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,960
flowers and reproductive structures and fruits, et cetera. For plant

1078
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,239
I d you know, and if you really gotta do

1079
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,119
is just explain to people you can learn to identify

1080
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:21,199
plants not by looking first at leaves. But it struck.

1081
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,360
I mean, of course you first look at leaves, but

1082
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:28,320
the most important thing is always reproductive structures for any plant,

1083
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,840
for flowering plants, for fucking ferns. You find that spor fill,

1084
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,880
flip it over, look at the sports on the other side,

1085
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,119
get a photo of cones if you're looking at a

1086
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:41,559
conifer or other gymnosperm. But I think that you know,

1087
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,000
not a lot of people use I Naturalists in Mexico,

1088
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:46,800
at least compared to the US. And if more people

1089
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,760
used it, I mean, just the sheer amount of data

1090
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:55,199
that can be collected by a handful of people who

1091
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,840
actively use their free time to go out and photograph

1092
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,280
nature and go into the hill and the matal and

1093
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,599
the fucking barancas and whatever. The sheer amount of info

1094
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:10,840
that can be collected for science is amazing. It's astounding.

1095
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,239
And so you know, that was a thing in Brazil

1096
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,239
that drove me fucking us too. Well. First off, there's

1097
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,639
no you know, appreciation, there's very little appreciation of the

1098
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:24,320
native plants in popular Brazilian culture most. I mean, there's

1099
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,760
some excellent fucking botanists there, but they're all in academia,

1100
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:32,719
like just you know, random schmucks like myself or whoever else.

1101
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:35,239
There's very like there's I went, I remember going into

1102
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:37,559
a book store. There were no guide books, Like you

1103
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:42,400
got the most some of the most diverse uh flora

1104
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,159
in the world, and there's no guide books for it.

1105
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:48,400
And like all the plant books were like cornyass gardening

1106
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:51,280
horticulture books. By the way, you know, I got these

1107
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,159
stickers made it said horticulture needs and I'm a please

1108
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,639
hit me up for some all right, I prefer you

1109
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,960
buy a pack, you know, a fucking nine different sticks

1110
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,400
for twenty bucks via the Venmo. Just leave your address,

1111
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,920
don't use purchase protection unless you're a sucker. But if

1112
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,199
you see me at a show or something and I

1113
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:11,599
got those horticulture needs in they just take one. You

1114
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,320
could just take one. I said, it's fine, right, but

1115
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,159
take a fucking handf of but take one. Get the

1116
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,119
message out there, because horticulture does need an anima. There's

1117
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:22,679
a lot of corny shit there. There's they're planting. Gabrielle

1118
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:25,000
told me that because he does landscaping ship for people

1119
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:30,239
in Guanajuato. But he was telling me to use Melanis rappins,

1120
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,480
not all grass is an invasive or as a horticultural

1121
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:35,880
plant down there. Again, it's it's just like the bare

1122
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,719
bottom dollar or bare bottom of the brain stem, fucking

1123
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:44,599
lowest kind of denominator mindset everywhere with plants. It's like,

1124
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:46,800
oh are they pretty? They're a thing for rich people

1125
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,239
for landscaping. Maybe you get some extra money, you're gonna

1126
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:53,400
put some fucking with you know, there's no other And

1127
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:55,320
I'm not I'm not I'm shitting on this mindset, but

1128
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,480
I'm not shitting on people. It just again, this is

1129
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,760
just what's putting on the plate of us. This is

1130
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,480
what we're given in a society where all the habitats

1131
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,559
been destroyed and is discarded and not cared about. And uh,

1132
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:13,840
you know, we put we just have this purely anthropocentric

1133
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,159
lens as a society, right, and so people are just

1134
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:19,880
products of the society that they live in by and

1135
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,199
large for the most part, unless they make a conscious

1136
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,199
choice to be different. But that, of course takes a

1137
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:27,119
lot of education and self awareness. Most people don't have

1138
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:30,000
that no matter where in the world you are, and

1139
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,760
so they just you know, they end up doing shit

1140
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,559
like planting the book and fees and all this corny

1141
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:37,159
shit and whatever, you know, because it's pretty. So I

1142
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:39,519
don't want what's pretty. I want the full picture. I

1143
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:44,199
want to restore this beautiful living machine that's been dismantled

1144
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:52,960
by this unenlightened species of primates. Anyway, Uh so we

1145
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,960
got to get if you speak Spanish, if you're you know,

1146
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,480
if you're in Mexico, whatever, please encourage people to use

1147
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:01,920
our natural was to use this shit out of it.

1148
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,239
You know, from that app, you can learn taxonomy, you

1149
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,079
can see what family something's in, you can see a

1150
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:13,000
map showing its distribution. There's so much information there, and

1151
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,280
you know, the more people use it, the more information

1152
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:22,360
is available. So please, It's got to get out there.

1153
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,360
You know, you teach people to give a shit about

1154
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,599
this stuff and have interest in it as a way

1155
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:30,320
to conserve it. I'm getting back home. I have to

1156
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,559
fight with this fucking idiot at city hall. He's not

1157
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:36,199
listening to this podcast. If he is, I'm sorry. Don't

1158
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:38,559
take it personally. You know, I call myself a fucking

1159
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:40,719
idiot some things too, But I gotta fight with this

1160
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,159
fucking idiot at city hall and do it in that

1161
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:46,800
Texas way where you smile at someone you know and

1162
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,119
you're all polite and shit, but you've got to beat anyway.

1163
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,000
This guy, he looks like a fucking jim Bro. You know,

1164
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:55,599
here's like the intellect of a door knop, and he's

1165
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:58,119
he won't let me plant. I'm trying to plant street

1166
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:01,360
trees around my neighborhood and this fucking guy, what kind

1167
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,199
of what kind of fucking city doesn't want street trees.

1168
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:07,400
It's it's insane to me. But that's the Rio Grande Valley.

1169
01:08:07,639 --> 01:08:10,599
I mean, that's what you're gonna encounter down here. You know,

1170
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,079
they think they're messy. I don't. I don't get it

1171
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:16,399
like it's I remember, I fly a drone. I remember

1172
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,640
when I was flying a drone over my neighborhood in

1173
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,840
the summer, and it's just patches. You could see people

1174
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,880
are trying to have a lawn, but it doesn't work

1175
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,239
because you know, it's one hundred and five degrees uh,

1176
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,760
for eight months out of the year, the fucking Rio Grande.

1177
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:36,000
It doesn't produce water anymore, and if it does, it's

1178
01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:41,199
totally brackish or at least very mineral rich, you know,

1179
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,279
six hundred ppms. I think we're at the water out

1180
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:49,880
of the tap six hundred parts promelion. But uh, anyway,

1181
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:51,720
you fly a drone over and you could just see

1182
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,920
people are trying to have lawns, and it's just instead

1183
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,000
of it being green, it's just these dead patches of

1184
01:08:56,119 --> 01:09:00,840
like brown berm udigrass, and it's in calcareous soil, like

1185
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:05,199
the barren patches of that calcareous fine silt that's been

1186
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,800
brought here by the Rio grand over the last five

1187
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,359
million years. And then there's some dude you know, who's,

1188
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,399
of course, like three hundred pounds in a riding mower,

1189
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:19,159
just you know, doing donuts in a vacant lot, you know,

1190
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,119
landscapers whatever, doing donuts in a vacant lot and a

1191
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:26,560
riding mower is kicking up clouds of dust, probably fucking

1192
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:30,319
with you know, bizarre fungal spores. You don't think you

1193
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:34,920
get cockcitio my coasis down here, but you never know, right,

1194
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,600
It just makes no sense. Like the whole concept of

1195
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:42,399
a heat island to people down here is it doesn't

1196
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,119
hit home. It's it's crazy, like you've created a fucking

1197
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:49,239
giant heat mat made of asphalt and concrete. And then

1198
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,399
it's just more reason to just be stuck in your car,

1199
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,880
coming down with metabolic diseases, getting fatter because you don't

1200
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,600
ever move anywhere. And then you think that like going

1201
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,760
to the gy for an hour is gonna it's gonna, like,

1202
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:05,640
you know, make up for that, like going to the

1203
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,720
gym for an hour, breathing in off gassing plastic and

1204
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,760
hanging out with a bunch of meatheads grunting while they

1205
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,760
dropped their weights and and flex in front of each other. No, homo, bro,

1206
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,880
you think that that's gonna make up for spending the

1207
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,880
other twenty three hours of your day either sleeping or

1208
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,199
sitting in a car. It's just it's fucked. So I've

1209
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:28,359
been trying to plant street trees because there's plenty of

1210
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:30,319
room for them. And I you know, I told them

1211
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:32,039
I'll plant these things for free, I'll stake them, I'll

1212
01:10:32,039 --> 01:10:35,199
maintain them, I'll prune them. And this this fucking idiot,

1213
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:38,840
just the dude looks like a contractor who basically got

1214
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,439
a job at city Hall. And you know he's just

1215
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,399
again super polite, but just fucking ignores you, totally dismissive.

1216
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,359
I hate that shit. It's just like that Southern stuff,

1217
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,159
like tell me to go fuck myself. At least I

1218
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:54,920
can work with that, you know, Chicago or New York

1219
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,159
style up front. And then you know, some of the

1220
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:02,079
closest friendships I've had, uh, you know, almost began his

1221
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:06,479
fistfights or you know, telling people to go fuck themselves,

1222
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,640
like my my attorney right now, you know, great guy.

1223
01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:11,920
Well we first met, you know, I told him to

1224
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,840
go fuck himself and eat a dick. I forgot, I

1225
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,760
said to him. But and uh, and then we made

1226
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,479
up like a day later and kind of laughed it off,

1227
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:22,720
and now we're buddies. A great guy, really great guy.

1228
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,560
You know, only attorney I trust. Attorneys are real shit bags.

1229
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,000
No offense actually maybe there's one other guy. Maybe there's

1230
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:31,920
one or two other guys. But you know, I think

1231
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,239
to work in that job as an attorney, though, because

1232
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:37,039
it's so soul killing and makes you feel so fucking

1233
01:11:37,039 --> 01:11:39,399
dead on the inside, and the subject matter that you

1234
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:45,359
have to learn is so god just fucking incorrigibly boring

1235
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,479
and soul deadening. Like there's no like, there can't be

1236
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,439
any passionate. I I'm sure there's people who would argue

1237
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:53,920
with me, like now I like to argue. I like

1238
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,279
it maybe, but the content you're studying is so fucking boring.

1239
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,640
It's all made up. It's made up bullshit. It's laws,

1240
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,880
it's completely subjective, it's made up by a bunch of

1241
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:09,399
fucking suits. It's it's these nonsensical dictates most of the time.

1242
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,840
And then all the bullshit you have to learn the

1243
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,199
formalities of learning that legal speak and how to write

1244
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:18,319
those documents has got to just fucking kill you. So

1245
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:21,720
the only thing left at the end of the day is, uh,

1246
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,199
you know, chasing shiny bullshit and hoarding money. There's no

1247
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,479
I mean, am I wrong? It seems like it's a

1248
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,039
pretty deadening fuck. I got into another fucking attorney out

1249
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:37,199
of Houston. Where's too much eyeliner? And I'm not even

1250
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:39,880
gonna get into it. She threatened me with a defamation lawsuit.

1251
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,399
I said, nothing I'm saying is untrue. You are you know,

1252
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:48,039
you are restricting access to researchers to your father's land.

1253
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,800
So that's you know, go ahead, go ahead, Missy. Got

1254
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,560
a lot of eyeline, really a lot of island. You

1255
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,680
like the Fox News anchors like that, remember you, so

1256
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,760
we see you see that shit with a Christy Gnome.

1257
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,199
She does the same thing too, all the all the

1258
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:04,079
fucking eyeliner. It's like, hey, why are you doing that?

1259
01:13:04,119 --> 01:13:05,199
You don't need to do it. You're trying to look

1260
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:08,920
like a raccoon. Huh, like a raccoon with a facelift.

1261
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:14,119
What are we doing here? Anyway? I'm getting riled up,

1262
01:13:14,199 --> 01:13:20,000
you know, almost back home. So uh but yeah, I

1263
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,680
gotta convince this fucking I don't know what to do.

1264
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,520
I'm gonna be polite, but I'm gonna go probably just

1265
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,840
show up at city hall and track his ass down

1266
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:31,239
and then just politely inform him like let me plant trees.

1267
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:34,439
I'm gonna do a video making fun of this entire

1268
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,920
town and how they hate They hate street trees, which

1269
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,800
is insane. You know, like, I'm trying to like do

1270
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,000
something that's gonna better the quality of my own life

1271
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,520
and the quality of people who live in my neighborhood,

1272
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,840
and you're saying no, for no, there's no reason for it.

1273
01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:51,800
You just think trees are messy. This is the same guy.

1274
01:13:52,319 --> 01:13:55,399
You know, there's an irrigation canal nearby. He used to

1275
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,560
have a grove of sable Mexicana on at the native

1276
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,560
sable palm down here. Them all cut down and then

1277
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,720
he ensures that a back hole goes into the irrigation canal,

1278
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:08,399
which is like a fifteen foot drop off on a

1279
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,920
very steep slope. It would really help to have some

1280
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:14,960
roots holding that slope, holding that wall, in that wall

1281
01:14:15,039 --> 01:14:18,000
of mud. But you know, he cut the trees down,

1282
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,680
then he has abacco go in there and scraped the sides,

1283
01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:22,880
thinking he's cleaning it out. I mean, this guy's just

1284
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,479
dumb as a fucking brick. I don't know how. I

1285
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,760
don't like, where does it come from? Where does it

1286
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,479
come from? You know, where does the how do you

1287
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:34,119
what the fuck? But you could see where the sides

1288
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:38,640
the slope has has sunk it in and then actively

1289
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,479
he thinks he's cleaning out the canal, but then it

1290
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:46,000
actually leads to more landslides and more debris falling into

1291
01:14:46,039 --> 01:14:49,399
this canal. And I mean, you can see where it's

1292
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:52,039
happened already. I just I don't get it. I mean,

1293
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:57,000
what fucking community doesn't want street trees? You know it's wild.

1294
01:14:57,079 --> 01:15:00,119
They just want They think bermuda grass that's cut the

1295
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:04,039
two inches is clean and trees are messy again. But

1296
01:15:04,079 --> 01:15:06,840
this all this can change, you know, by just being

1297
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,760
a Surely I'm ranting about this kind of pocket, but

1298
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,239
I would be nice to him in person, you know nice.

1299
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:18,199
I love it when these cars are belching out clouds

1300
01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:25,039
of black smoke that smells like sulfur and nitrogen dioxide

1301
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:30,520
Jesus background out of billboards and car dealer ships. All right,

1302
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,600
I've gotta just you go. You gotta just put your

1303
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,720
blinders on that. You know, the shit that makes you

1304
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,640
want to puke, a lot of stuff done. It makes

1305
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,199
you want to puke. But anyway, all right, we'll cut

1306
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:41,000
this short. That's been an hour fifteen minutes. I'll you

1307
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:42,960
got some out of that. I'm gonna be speaking in

1308
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,359
Austin next week Friday. What is it the nineteenth? Is

1309
01:15:46,399 --> 01:15:51,239
it the nineteenth? And uh, I'm doing a Kill your

1310
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:53,079
Launch show up there, and then we'll be going on tour.

1311
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,920
I'll be doing book tour this spring as well as

1312
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,640
probably kill your Lawn tour in the Southwest and maybe

1313
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,800
even in Florida. Though Florida scares me, it does. They

1314
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,000
just see there's all kinds of weirdos over there. You know,

1315
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,079
it's a very bizarre sting. I saw, man. I saw

1316
01:16:10,119 --> 01:16:13,680
a fucking video as some uh this guy that looked

1317
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,880
like a cross between Gallum and the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

1318
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,119
He was some old Caucasian guy yelling at someone for

1319
01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:23,680
being in his neighborhood. And of course it was it

1320
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,399
was Florida. You know, it's unfair. There's some wonderful people

1321
01:16:26,399 --> 01:16:28,840
in Florida too, but it does scare me. It's just

1322
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,800
a weird it's a weird culture we've made here in

1323
01:16:31,039 --> 01:16:33,760
certain parts of the United States gets real weird, you know,

1324
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:37,319
real goofy, real weird shit going on. Anyway, that's I

1325
01:16:37,359 --> 01:16:41,039
got heavy gus day, Go fuck yourself by and get

1326
01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:43,920
some of those horticulture needs an animus stickers for me

1327
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,880
and convince other people to using it right. That's all right,

1328
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,760
Go go, go fund yourself. Have a gret to day

1329
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:48,039
by