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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice

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mix in some vodka colored A podcast from the Mac

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of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven by Victor

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Chrysler Dods. Gee Ram, It's Bilified the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. Thank you for getting your pot on.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for telling a friend, and that's how we spread

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the word. It's nice to finally catch up with somebody

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who we've always been a big fan of. H He

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was the police information am I saying this is right,

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the police information.

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Speaker 2: Director, public information.

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Speaker 3: Public information director, see got it wrong for the Monroe

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County Shriff's Department, which is a huge undertaking. I can

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only imagine the stuff that comes in. And then he

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went on, he got promoted. He's deputy been real county deputy, sheriff,

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deputy Hurly. And I can't wait to see what other

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things you conquer as you go through your career, coming

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up on twenty years already.

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Speaker 4: I just hit it last week.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, do they do anything like you remember like

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years ago, if you were at Kodak for so many years,

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you got.

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Speaker 2: Like maybe a camera.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what they did, maybe the digital

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camera that they made but didn't didn't sell.

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Speaker 2: You used to get like a watch. You would hear

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these guys, Hey, thirty years of the job you got away?

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Do they do anything like that? They should?

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Speaker 5: My dad got the was it the twenty five year

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ring for for being at Kodak kind of And then

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they were they said, thanks for everything, but we.

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Speaker 4: Don't need you anymore.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, terrible.

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Speaker 4: Uh no, we get nothing. We get a pension.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's that's good. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I did thirty something years in radio. I

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don't think everybody gave shit.

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Speaker 2: That's what happens. It's what happens.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that is going on in the

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news today and it just has been playing in my

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mind and I was thought, boy, I got to ask

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Deputy Hurley about this, because you know, we see all

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the stuff with Savannah Guthrie and her mom and the

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stuff that was coming out early were the number of

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people that insert themselves into a tragedy for whatever reason.

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Speaker 2: And they are.

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Speaker 3: Writing letters, some of them insane, some of them making

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ransom demands and little jokes and this and that. But

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they're actual, I think, physical letters that I don't know

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where they're going but came out in some article. I

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think it was The Times, and I thought that can't be.

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We can all say, oh, it's somebody favorite, and I go,

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you know what, I don't think it fucking matters, because

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how many times do we see like, you know, elder

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being on the lookout for eighty one year old man

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went for a drive. We haven't seen him since Sunday,

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it's Tuesday. Here's his license plate, here's the car. And

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sometimes you'll see that, even on electronic Science or something

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to that effect. And I go, how many false leads

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do you get, like like like you know their fault,

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you can tell this, but why what the.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to explain an unrational act, but especially something

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like this with Savannah Guthrie.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she's famous, so this is gonna hit.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna hit bigger right all over social media everything,

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and that just brings the crazy out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people just are attracted.

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Speaker 5: To it like a moth to the flame for some reason,

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and they just you know, we see it too, Like

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you said, even with the missing people, you'll get people

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who call just to waste time.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if they think it's funny or

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what they're doing.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, you just got to weed through

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those and try to get to the good, credible ones.

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Speaker 3: To that end, I'll ask you this twenty years on

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the job interacting with the public, and this is gonna

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sound sort of maybe odd, but mental health overall? Are

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we do you see more the same? Is there anything

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in you that goes we got a growing problem that's

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sort of the.

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Speaker 2: Underbelly of a lot of the stuff that we see.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I would say it's a growing problem.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's a big problem though, Yeah, it is very

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large problem.

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Speaker 3: Always the same though, That's what I mean over the

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twenty years. And I say that because twenty years ago

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social media wasn't as impactful and everywhere as it was now.

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Facebook may have existed, but I think it was for

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college kids, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, I always look at it

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as social media has given everybody a voice, and with

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the algorithms and everything, now it feels like people just

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go down these rabbit holes of you hear what you

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want to hear, you're reading what you want to read,

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and aha, I was right all along. So you find

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these packs of people who encourage each other instead of

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someone going, wait, that doesn't make sense, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't think that way. It just feeds it so

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that way, I think it's more out of control.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say that because I said yesterday,

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I feel like now when you're criticizing and I'll call

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it team, and we could say, like, I'm a fan

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of the New England Patriots. They got blown out in

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the Super Bowl. There were announcers saying they look like

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they shouldn't be on the same field as the Seahawks. Right,

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we can look at that and go, well, and I'm

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going no, no, no. Take that same concept and apply it

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to politics. Take that same concept and apply it to

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an argument in the home. It becomes this thing where

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once you start criticizing my team, you're criticizing me, and

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then it becomes like this loaded thing. And I really

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do think that that is a byproduct of social media

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for exactly what you're saying. I can find my tribe

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who thinks like me, likes me, I can block these

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other people.

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Speaker 2: It gives me.

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Speaker 3: Power, and all of a sudden, now I don't know

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what we are. It's like what happened to conversation and

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trying to understand and be a little bit open minded

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and mature.

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Speaker 2: And I will say that's part of.

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Speaker 3: Being an old guy, like you just start to see

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things the humanity versus the individual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Both of my grandparents one was Republican, one was Democrat,

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and they could have a conversation. They disagree on things,

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but they also knew when to stop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Right, the family came first, that we could have a

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nice dinner. It wasn't about politics. But you're right, everything now, everything.

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Speaker 2: Is so.

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Speaker 4: Polarized. Yeah, and everything's political.

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Speaker 5: Ye, Like I watch you watch sports to escape the world,

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to escape on that, you watch a comedy show, you

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watch a movie to get away from all that. But

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they're forcing it into everything, and I think that's definitely

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not helping people's.

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Speaker 3: No, And I think sometimes you're right, because sometimes what

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they're going to try to do is give you the

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character that represents somebody in your life. And if we

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look back, I mean you go to All in the family, right,

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we could really laugh at All in the family. And

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he had sort of this buffoon and Archie Bunker, who

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was this sort of what would be considered today someone

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on the right or maybe even a little further on

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the right and a bigot and a racist and blah

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blah blah. But you could laugh at that and see

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the absurdity of it, which some people were really offended by.

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They go, we're not dumb, Like these people who think

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this way are not dumb. It is what they're saying.

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But it was an exaggerated example of somebody. And I

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think they try to do that in sitcoms. But you're right,

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it's it's it's everywhere to the point where you can't

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escape it. You turn on your computer, it's there. You

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open something here, everything's a talk show now right, we

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go to podcasts, podcasts are niche, and you've got You've

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got all these different things. And I do I don't.

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I don't think it's good for mental health. I worry

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about like my kid. It's it's almost like an addiction

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constantly to be on the phone, and I'm so busy

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and it's he and I most of the time that

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I'm I feel like I'm failing him in a way

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by not taking the phone away, you know, but try

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taking away from a six to two hundred pound fifteen

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year old.

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Speaker 2: It's got an attitude.

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Speaker 4: I mean you know it's addictive. Yeah, we're all addicted

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to dope.

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Speaker 2: Mean man.

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Speaker 5: The other problem is, you know, people are using that

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as a source to learn. Right when we were growing up,

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you had to go through the encyclopedia, you had to

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look things up and you know, reference books. Right now,

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it's like, well, you know, Joe seven thirty two nine

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says on Twitter, Yeah, yeah, you know, I saw ten

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second video, so this is I'm an expert, right, It's like, right,

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you know, people, I.

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Speaker 3: Thought, I thought one of the greatest things that I

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ever learned from that perspective. And I always thought it

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was pretty eye opening because there was some this was

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a little more political base, but it was back where

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we live in the city.

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Speaker 2: Somebody was running for mayor.

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Speaker 3: They hadn't They were sort of an unknown at the

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time of Lovely Warren who became mayor and uh, she's

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running for mayor and somebody they called it a podcast.

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It was a bunch of people on a phone through Facebook.

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I don't know what the hell it was. And it

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was two people who used to live here but they

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don't live here anymore, and they're hosting it and they

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talked about a problem. There was an incident in the

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city where a mother and daughter got into an altercation

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and I think it's spilled out into the middle of

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the street. And so the police show up and they're

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going to arrest the daughter. They have the daughter over

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and one of the officers is got her hands behind

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her back and he is and these are our black people.

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And he winds up the white officer, who was a

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veteran I believe, was putting this woman's hands behind her back,

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and what you see is him kind of slap her

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upside the back of the head. Right, So, okay, so

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this is what goes on, and what's being said is

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we have I think they were calling it cultural competency.

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We didn't have cultural competency in the city. So I

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said to somebody, you gotta.

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Speaker 2: Get lovely in here.

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Speaker 3: And at the time I went to college with somebody.

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I will say the person's name. Most people listening will

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have no idea. You probably will. And this person did

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do some time or embezzlement from a nonprofit Adam McFadden.

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And Adam calls me and goes, I got another angle

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of that video and you need to see it. And

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he sends it to me and he goes, she was

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reaching back for either that officer's gun or that officer's balls. Okay,

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and he goes, so he did that to get her

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under control. There's a black man talking about what he saw. Okay,

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just I mean, I only do that for a perspective

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because it was so interesting to me. And so we

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get Lovely Warren in the studio and she sits down.

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She starts talking. I'm not talking to you till the

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MIC's run. I'm not doing it because she's automatically. It

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was one of these things where she's going to defend.

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She's uncomfortable, she's all nervous. I'm like, just take a breath,

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Everything'll be cool. And I sat there silently through the

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commercials and we come back on and we start talking

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and she goes, we have a cultural competency issue. This

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is somebody who doesn't understand the cultural issues. And I'm like,

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you have children, and I have children, and I said,

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what do you do when the kids are acting up?

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Speaker 2: Like they're really at high pitched levels on She goes,

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I talked softly. I go, you know what's so funny?

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I do too, and I'm white and you're black.

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Speaker 6: How about it's human And she said, she goes, well,

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we have this problem. And she said, you know, it

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was a black officer who sat with the mother and

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blah blah. And I said, how many years do you

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think that guy was on the forest? He goes, Oh,

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he had to be there for a good twelve fifteen years.

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I said, it sounds like you have a veteran.

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Speaker 3: Officer issue, not a cultural competency issue. And I don't

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know if that's that's true or not, but I think

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sometimes we jump to making something an issue that isn't

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necessarily an issue, and we just have people I don't

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care what shade they are, because you can find them

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in all a lot with this skin that act inappropriately right,

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bad behavior, And we got to say this isn't acceptable.

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Speaker 2: For sure, you know. And that's the stuff that I go.

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I don't know how you guys navigate all that.

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Speaker 4: Let's see.

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Speaker 5: For us, I think it's a little bit easier because

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that's what we do.

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Speaker 4: That's our whole job. You have to investigate, You have

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to find things out.

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Speaker 5: What looks clear cut you have to prove is clearcut

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or isn't. And you have to do that without a

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reasonable doubt. So you can't just take everything for face value.

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You know, we say there's three sides to every story.

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Sure his side, her side, or his side his side,

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and the truth right Because even then people I don't

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even think you can help it. You're going to try

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to protect yourself no matter what.

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Speaker 2: So you're going to try to.

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Speaker 5: Skew it a little bit to make you look not

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as bad, or you're going to exclude a couple of

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things to make yourself look a little bit better. But

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there's always more to it, and that's where we're trained

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to try to figure that out. And people get bad

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at us all the time too, because they call and

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they tell us what happened, and it's like, okay, that's

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are you sure that's what happened, or you start digging

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and they get upset like we don't believe them.

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Speaker 4: But it's not my job to believe you. It's my

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job to find out what the truth.

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Speaker 3: Is so hard to do because as you're talking, I'm

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thinking everybody has a different perspective and you're looking at

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life through your lens. And I always say that most

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of life is lived in our head, and by that

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I mean, you know how many times you had an

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argument inside your head with somebody that never comes to reality, right,

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But you spend the day I'm gonna tell that one, right,

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and it's in your head and you think of all

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these scenarios and then it's like and so you just

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you're living in your head. That's life in your head,

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and that's not the reality of things. And I think

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you have to even keep what you were saying is

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in terms of having a perspective, is like, you know,

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what you think you said to you, let's just say

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your kid versus what your kid hears, and trying to

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just be a little more cognizanto that you know, that's

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not soft, that's humanity, and that's understanding where it comes from.

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And it's interesting because you kind of can't go always

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with somebody's perspective.

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Speaker 2: You got to go I got it, you know.

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Speaker 3: And and I always say this, I I you know,

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people go, officer, this, I go. We don't call an

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officer to go, hey, having a good day to day. Hey,

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it's Valentine's Day on Friday or Saturday. You know, I

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just want to make sure that you're gonna get by roses.

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It's not you're calling at the worst moment of your life.

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Speaker 5: Usually, Yeah, we always deal with people with the worst

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you know, it's their worst day or you know, they're

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going through the worst possible thing that they could be

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going through, and that's.

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Speaker 4: Why they call us.

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Speaker 5: Other than that, you get people who call because you

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know there's some kind of custody or domestic issue, and

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a lot of times those.

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Speaker 4: People just want you to do what they want you

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to do.

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Speaker 5: But they don't understand how the law works or what

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you can do or my lawyer said you need to

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do this, and then when you're like, well I can't,

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you know, and here's why they don't even want to

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hear it.

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Speaker 4: So it's always fun.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was going to ask two things, but

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let me just stay on that because you know, at

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the worst, right, what does that teach any of us

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about humility? But how much is stress a factor in

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people's behavior? And you can kind of see that, not

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that you know, I'm sure there's some kind of psychology

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that's that's sort of in the academy type thing, right,

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But most anything in life I always say is it's reps.

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It's the old ten thousand hour rule or whatever. That was,

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you know, with anything driving, you sucked when you began parenting.

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You sucked when you began. I used to make a

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joke I would go, your first kid's like your first car,

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you put a couple of dents in it, you bang around. Yeah,

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you're pretty good by the third kid. But when it

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just in terms of just stress, what that does to

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people in a stressful situation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's all kinds of things that stress

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does to your body, and there's all kinds of studies

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into it. You know, we always talk about one of

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the first things to go is your your fine motor skills,

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right like tying your shoes and actually grabbing laces and

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manipulating with the tips of your fingers becomes hard because

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you're the way that your brain works under stress. So

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that's where you said, you know that ten thousand reps.

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So that's how you master something. You're your brain in

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the way that you remember events. You know, we do

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the like a lot of time TV respond to a

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robbery or someone's you know, a gunpoint robbery, and you

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you get them as calm as you can and you

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try to ask them what happened and recollect and well,

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what did it look like it was a really big gun?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: But what did it look like?

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Speaker 5: I know it was really because they're so focused and

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scared that it was just really really big and it

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turns out to be a you know, a small little pistol.

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But to them, their perspective was.

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Speaker 2: It was I'm about to die.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a huge gun. Now that it's all I

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could focus on.

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Speaker 5: You know, when there's those videos out there, I'm sure

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you've seen, where there's so many things going on in

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the video and then they sneak like a you know,

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a mascot through and then you ask people like, so,

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what did you see in the video? And they start

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telling you because this character was talking or that character

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was talking.

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Speaker 4: And they never saw the background that walked through.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's it's really amazing.

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Speaker 3: And also even like you know the power of suggestion

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in a certain way.

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Speaker 2: You know, what color car do you drive? Blue? What's

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your favorite color? Blue? What color is the sky blue?

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Speaker 3: Show me all the brown cars, right because my mind

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is on blue and I can't find that. And I

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would say that most people, and maybe you can explain

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this better, what don't they understand about bad decision making,

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like it's not always coming from a place of malice.

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Speaker 2: I think there's no.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's all kinds of different scenarios here. But

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again it goes to perspective. And you know, sometimes something

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sounds like a good idea and you didn't think it

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all the way through. Or sometimes people are just selfish

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and it's hey, this would be great for me right now,

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and not think about.

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Speaker 4: The consequences for other people. And you see that a lot.

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I think in accidents.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm in a hurry.

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Speaker 5: I got to get to where I'm going, and they

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don't leave enough space between me and the person in

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front of me, and especially in the icy weather that

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we have right now, they hit the brakes. I hit

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the brakes, well, I hit the brakes. The car just

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wouldn't stop.

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Speaker 4: But you have to account for that, you have to

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account for the slower times.

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Speaker 3: And I gotta tell you, like I always I'll always

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say and I mean this for me too, but I

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say it to my kids, especially in a lot of situations,

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and they say this to people, like even when the

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weather wasn't bad. I just had a rant on the

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podcast recently where I go, you know, it's not four ninety.

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The expressways, no matter what city you're in, no matter

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where you are in the country, the expressway is not

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the Autobahn. And I see these people, and I get it.

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Speaker 2: Cars are better built.

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Speaker 3: There are so many times if you're on a long

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trip you look down and go, oh my god, I'm

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going this fast, and you don't realize it. They're better built,

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They're sure, But the problem is you're not as good

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as you think you are. And when you're driving on

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those these roads, it's not Watkins Glenn. You want to

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go to Watkins Glen and you want to pay the

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money and go out there. I hope you hold it

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through turn three because if you go into the guardrail,

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motherfucker you're paying for I just want you to know that,

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you go down there, they make you pay for that.

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Speaker 2: You have to buy it.

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Speaker 3: But when you're on the road and you see it's

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somebody's family there, and you don't know they're driving skills,

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and you know their level of competency, and so maybe

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it's not you're not as good, but maybe they're not

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as good. Just there's nothing wrong with driving the speed limit.

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If you're consistently late. Fucking fix that that's a you problem.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: It's and you hear it all the time when you

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deal with people, you do the act and it's almost

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never their fault, right, it's always the other person this,

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the other person that, or you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Was they just they did this.

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Speaker 5: And I always just teach kids when I would do

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drivers out, especially new drivers, it's like, you could be

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the greatest driver.

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Speaker 4: In the world. Right, it's other people that you also

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have to worry about.

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Speaker 2: Hundred person do everything right.

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Speaker 5: You can be a defensive driver and that person comes

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into your lane, but help yourself out. Don't be on

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the cell phone, don't be texting, and right, we're all

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guilty of it.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 5: You talk about the muscle memory and the reps. How

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many times have you gotten somewhere and all of a

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sudden it comes you come to and you're like, how

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did I get here?

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Speaker 2: It's a hypnotic I mean, it's truly a hypnotic state.

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Speaker 3: It is truly a hypnotic state because you're right and

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and not even saying like God forbid anybody ever says this,

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but like whoa.

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Speaker 2: I get home last night.

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Speaker 4: That's a different one.

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Speaker 3: But when you're on you're honestly, you're thinking, you've got

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stuff in your head, and it does put you almost

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in a hypnotic state, and it is sort of scary

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because many of us have done it. But even there,

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I think you're something would snap you out of it

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if something started to go wrong. But would you be

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fast enough well right? And I think that we don't

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do enough, especially here in safe driving courses for this

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kind of weather. Ice is the great equalizers. There's no

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favorite to nice. But I thought it was the BMW

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Club of Rochester used to take you out to I

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think it was mcc or one of the big parking lots,

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and they basically built a paddock kind of more or less,

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and they would flood it and they'd have you come

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flying in and either lock up the.

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Speaker 2: Brakes or pull up the e brake.

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Speaker 3: And it showed you kind of the physics because what

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might seem instinctual as the back end goes this way,

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you know you want to go the opposite way to

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straighten the car out, but maybe you go. And how

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much our bodies lean like our whole body. And that's

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why I always try to say to like my kids

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and stuff, when you're driving it's sort of like boxing.

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You gotta sort of keep your elbows in and just

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move your elbows because that's going to pull the weight.

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Don't shift your whole body, you know, it's that. Or

478
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:46,119
if something's flying at you, don't duck. There's a windshield there, right,

479
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,960
But we don't. We're thinking of these instinctual things. And

480
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,759
I did one of those courses many many many years ago,

481
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and I still think it was one of the best

482
00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:57,160
things I ever did. And I'm coming home after New

483
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,920
Year's and I happen to hit just a snow squall

484
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:04,720
coming through Victor and I'm coming down Turk Hill and

485
00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:07,480
the big part of Turk Hill in Parenton, and I

486
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,640
start to lose control of the car and there's cars

487
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,119
coming up.

488
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Speaker 2: The other way.

489
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 3: And I had I was on the phone, but through

490
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,160
Bluetooth and stuff, and I'm and my mother's on the

491
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,839
phone and I go, don't talk, but don't hang up.

492
00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:22,920
I might I might need something. And at the end

493
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,680
she goes, I wish I wish you had uh, I

494
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,759
wish I had taped this phone call. I said, yeah,

495
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,480
it would been great because my father used to call

496
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,759
it self help. I just kept saying fuck over and

497
00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,039
over and over and fuck fuck and you know, but

498
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,079
you knew to turn the car certain way as it

499
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,119
fishtailed out and I was able to get control of it.

500
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Speaker 2: But it was like pure ice.

501
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,039
Speaker 3: And you know, taking your foot off the brake instead

502
00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,759
of even on a hill and trying to you know,

503
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,799
navigate that or or I don't know, it's again reps.

504
00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to experience it, and that's where you

505
00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:58,440
know you'll see I remember as.

506
00:22:58,279 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: A kid, we would do it.

507
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 5: You'd find it abandon parking lot somewhere that had some space,

508
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,359
and you wouldn't go too fast, but you would purposely

509
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,559
drive a little erratic to just feel what it's.

510
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,839
Speaker 4: Like to slide or okay, I'm starting to slide? How

511
00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:10,480
do I correct that?

512
00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 5: And just getting those reps you know that being said,

513
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:15,079
make sure you do it somewhere safe and have permission,

514
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,680
but we would, we would do that, and you just

515
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,960
get the feel for the car and how it's going

516
00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:22,960
to do. Because front wheel drive, rear, reel drive, four

517
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,119
wheel drive, they're all different, you know, and again none

518
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,240
of them are perfect. The amount of people in big

519
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:31,359
trucks with four wheel drives off the road on the

520
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,480
expressways all the time.

521
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 4: Like I got four wheel drive. It's not a four

522
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,240
wheel slick.

523
00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: I got you a cowboy. Yeah, you know, hey man,

524
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:41,559
I got four wheel drive. I'll see people think they're

525
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:44,599
in I know how much has.

526
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Speaker 3: The you're in uniform with the Minerue County sheriff. But

527
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:53,680
the body cam? How has that changed things? And I

528
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,519
would say almost for the better, because again we're gonna

529
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go on somebody's memory.

530
00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:00,279
Speaker 2: The officer was is.

531
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: Mean to me, gruff to me, whatever, or this other

532
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:08,160
person said, and you can go back and go I

533
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,839
was standing right there, and here's a transcript, here's the

534
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,160
body camera footage.

535
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,799
Speaker 5: And you know, again it's it's perceived. You know, the

536
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,599
deputy said something or they took it one way. But

537
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:24,519
the beauty of the body cam is just that you

538
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:27,319
can you can watch it back and see, okay, well

539
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,119
that's not what they said, or you know, maybe I

540
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,480
can see where you could take it that way, but

541
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:35,839
that that's not what happened. And I would say that

542
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:43,559
they're great, you know, for our recollection as well of Asians,

543
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,599
or for me now as being a supervisor. You know,

544
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,160
someone calls and complaints or or the deputies have to

545
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,319
use force on somebody to an effect or arrest. I

546
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,920
can now I've watched that to make sure number one,

547
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,599
that they're doing what they're supposed to do and that

548
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,039
they did it the correct way, right, and then you know,

549
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,880
you can review all that and then when people call

550
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,119
it exactly like you said, oh, you know the deputy

551
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,799
said this or the deputy did that, a lot of

552
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:08,920
times you're like, okay, well come on in, we'll watch

553
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,000
the body camp Click. They hang right out, oh, because

554
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,799
you know, yeah, they know they're reliant. But no, it's

555
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,039
been fantastic. It's yeah, we haven't had anything I would

556
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:23,279
say to hide for the twenty years I've been here,

557
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,400
and now it just goes to show people that well

558
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:26,240
and things the right way.

559
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: You know, it's got to be hard because.

560
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,079
Speaker 3: Something goes wrong and you're in a situation I would

561
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:39,359
think you're a representation of authority, right, this person, but

562
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,039
that also comes with power, and then on top of

563
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:47,599
that restraint, and I would think like when not using

564
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,000
authority matters more than using it and being aware of

565
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,920
that and sort of seeing the situation.

566
00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 5: And this goes back to kind of what we were

567
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,880
talking about a minute ago. Right, everything you've ever seen

568
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,519
on social media is a ten second clip, right second,

569
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:02,519
maybe clip and all look what the cop did.

570
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,319
Speaker 4: Look with this, look at that. Most of those videos,

571
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:06,359
and especially.

572
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 5: All the videos in my experience with us, those are

573
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,519
an hour long, and that first hour is the deputy

574
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:16,200
being polite, you know, explaining everything to people like here's

575
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,599
here's you know. My best example is always Wegmans. People

576
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,359
forget Wegmans is open to the public, but it's a

577
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,000
part private business and everybody right, not just Wegmans.

578
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,559
Speaker 4: But that's just my example. So if Wegmans calls and

579
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,759
says you're not welcome there anymore, you have to leave,

580
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,799
and they ask you to leave, you don't they call us?

581
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: What is the what let's say that happens, yea, and

582
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,839
you come out and the person is probably a embarrassed

583
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,160
and mad a shame.

584
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,079
Speaker 2: Uh what do they say? So please tell me it's

585
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,359
a freedom of something, Please tell me.

586
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 5: Well, most people will argue that it's a public place

587
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,599
and they don't have to go, or they're going to

588
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,720
tell you why they deserve to stay. But it doesn't matter.

589
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,680
They have the right to refuse you service no matter what.

590
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 4: We would show up and we would explain that we

591
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,160
would be as kind as we can just say, hey,

592
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,440
look at let's just go outside. We'll talk about it, right, let's.

593
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,319
Speaker 5: Do this, and we do our best to de escalate

594
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:14,759
and get that person calm and just solve it.

595
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: In ninety percent of the time that's what happens. But

596
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:18,200
my example is, and this is.

597
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 5: What people forget. You're going to leave. We can't just say, hey, well,

598
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,079
this person doesn't want to go, so we're going to leave.

599
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:26,559
Speaker 4: We're the police. That's our job.

600
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 5: Eventually, we're going to carry you out of there, and

601
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,519
it may be four or five of us, but we're

602
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,440
as best we can and as safely as we can.

603
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 4: Our job is to get you out of there.

604
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 5: It's the same as your house. If someone in your

605
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,960
house and you want them to leave, we're going to

606
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,440
do that. We're going to spend a half an hour,

607
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,079
twenty five minutes, whatever it takes to try to calmly and.

608
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:50,599
Speaker 4: Politely get you to go out. But there comes a

609
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,200
point where we're going to carry you out of there because.

610
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:56,599
Speaker 2: That's a lot of restraint under pressure.

611
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 5: It is, and there's other jobs that are happening. There's

612
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,599
other people who have emergencies that we need to get to.

613
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,319
So that pressure is weighing on you. There's gonna be

614
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,519
a you know, ten people standing there with their phones

615
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,000
out trying to record and shoot, you know, grain gain

616
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,359
followers on whatever they have. But that's where their strength

617
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:15,680
comes in.

618
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,039
Speaker 4: And that's where I've.

619
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 5: Always found that most people just need a why, right,

620
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,440
and they don't understand.

621
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,079
Speaker 4: So if you calmly explain to them, and a lot

622
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:25,920
of people want to be heard, so we let them

623
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,640
talk a little bit, right, and you have a conversation,

624
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,319
and usually it ends up here's how this is going

625
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:31,559
to go.

626
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,559
Speaker 5: There's two ways where you're going to walk out or

627
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:35,960
we're going to carry you out.

628
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,559
Speaker 4: We would prefer you walk out. Just explain it to

629
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:38,920
them and then.

630
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 5: It usually works out, but it doesn't always. Sometimes people

631
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,160
just don't care, and unfortunately that's our job.

632
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, boy, there's so many things because I

633
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:53,119
go you can see how your power power that the

634
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:57,279
that the police have and what you're commissioned to do.

635
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,079
I don't know if I'm using the right word, but

636
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,119
how much that tests your character when no one's watching,

637
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:07,160
like you know, we're not seeing that, and we see this,

638
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:12,160
and I always think, like with anything what gets the

639
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,720
most attention, the worst of whatever. So when we see

640
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:20,559
that we all human. Yes, are there officers who probably

641
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:21,960
shouldn't be behind the badge?

642
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: Probably? Does that mean they're all like that? No? Are

643
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:29,799
there teachers who shouldn't probably be teaching young kids? Absolutely? Right?

644
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,480
Are all teachers like that? No? You know what I mean?

645
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: And the same thing doctors, whatever. So you got to

646
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:38,240
kind of look at it that way. But we focus

647
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,720
on one as kind of the worst. And I can

648
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:47,319
say I can see where I mean, Look, I don't know.

649
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,799
You've got the art of trying to talk people down.

650
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,799
You get the art of this where in certain situations

651
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:58,079
you're trying to sum somebody up in thirty seconds.

652
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,839
Speaker 2: For sure. Body language.

653
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of bodycam for teachers and for

654
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,519
everybody else. And you know, like let's show everybody, let's

655
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,599
see what everybody's And that goes back to it, right,

656
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,240
you know, you hire the best people you can. There's

657
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,319
civil service, there's there's all these policies and procedures put

658
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:18,279
into place to try to find the best people that

659
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,359
we can find. But you can never truly control people.

660
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,480
And then there's all kinds of other factors like you said,

661
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:26,000
you see the worst of the worst, and sometimes that

662
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,880
affects people in the way that they interact. But that's

663
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,720
one of the best things about the body cams is

664
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440
any time I can go and I can review the

665
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,920
bodycam of my deputies to make sure, like, hey, this

666
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
is just a traffic stop, there's no complaint, there's no

667
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:41,960
other reason other than let me check in on this deputy.

668
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: And I can watch their interaction and say, hey, you know.

669
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,599
Speaker 5: What, you did a good job, but the way you

670
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:49,759
said this or you did that, that could be taken

671
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:50,319
the wrong way.

672
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:52,279
Speaker 4: So maybe and you can kind of coach and mentor

673
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:52,839
them a little bit.

674
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: That's that's really.

675
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:59,519
Speaker 3: Really powerful what you just said, I think because it

676
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,720
comes to it's the art. It really is an art

677
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,160
of being able to talk to people. I say to

678
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,519
my kids all the time, especially a young one. And

679
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,559
somebody said to me, hey, is this something you say

680
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:13,880
to him? And I said, it is, because he said,

681
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,200
my dad says this all the time. Your knee jerk

682
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:20,400
reaction is usually the wrong reaction right the first time.

683
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,519
But what you're even talking about is, you know, de

684
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,319
escalation is a life skill in anything, for sure, right

685
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:30,720
especially it depending on your job, but even in your

686
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,640
own home, and tone and pacing and even silence at

687
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:41,400
time is all important. And while listening sometimes beats talking.

688
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And I mean you can, like you said,

689
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,119
body language, right, you can slyly smile at somebody, never

690
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,400
say a word, and just drive them insane, right, just

691
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,920
with a cocky smile or a certain look.

692
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: I was so good at that. So it's a kid

693
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:01,519
piss a teacher of them.

694
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:02,079
Speaker 4: You know.

695
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,519
Speaker 5: And and again I always like to tell people to,

696
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:08,319
like I said, there's all those plans and there's all

697
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,759
those policies to try to get the best possible people,

698
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,759
but sometimes those bad people slip through the cracks.

699
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: And that's why it's a constant review.

700
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,359
Speaker 5: And I remember years ago people were alway saying, well,

701
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,279
how come we never see, you know, the cops speaking

702
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,480
out against bad cops. How can we never see the

703
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:27,599
bad cops getting what they deserve? And it's like, well,

704
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,839
how come you don't see that? You know, Xerox fired

705
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,440
somebody yesterday. They're not going to have a parade or

706
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,119
put out a press release that we fired somebody, right,

707
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,519
We fire people all the time.

708
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,319
Speaker 4: I mean not all the time, I.

709
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Guess, No, but they trust. Yeah.

710
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,559
Speaker 5: Look at what was it last year where we fired

711
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,920
a couple of the jail deputies because they were, you know,

712
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,079
they were committing crimes and.

713
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 4: The sheriff right away put that right out.

714
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 5: We hadn't even fired him yet, and he was putting

715
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,400
out that we had an investigation because he's so open

716
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,839
and wants to make sure that you hear from him,

717
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,640
whether it's good, bad, or ugly. You're gonna hear it

718
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,000
from me because I'm going to be that. You know,

719
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,440
I hate the word transparency, but that's what it is.

720
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and I also see it as it's it's

721
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,720
skills I think everyone needs in terms of the listening,

722
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,240
that talking, the staying out ahead of things, trying to

723
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,519
be transparent with most people so they know where you

724
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:21,240
stand and and and to ability. All that builds is

725
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:22,880
the trust you're looking for right?

726
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: Trust? What accountability?

727
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: Right? And whether you have And I always I'm sorry,

728
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:31,240
I hear accountability and I go I think so many

729
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,039
adults hear that as punishment you know what I mean,

730
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,119
or I'm in trouble.

731
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: You need to take accountability for this, and that's not

732
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,640
necessarily what it is.

733
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,319
Speaker 3: Just be accountable for who you are and what you know,

734
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:45,839
what you're doing, what you're saying, and whether you wear

735
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,319
a badge or not. These are skills that can really

736
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,440
help you just get through this life.

737
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: Jesus.

738
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,519
Speaker 5: It always amazes me the amount of people who have

739
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:54,880
no self awareness.

740
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,559
Speaker 2: M r.

741
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 5: They just they don't understand their body language, they don't

742
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,240
understand the way.

743
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,079
Speaker 4: They're talking, like you. These people they should never play poker.

744
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 5: Yeah right right, all the tell You can see it

745
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,680
on their face, you know, the hanger or the disgusted

746
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,440
whatever it may be. But uh, you know, so many

747
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,599
people just need to be a little bit more self

748
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,159
aware of you know.

749
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,559
Speaker 4: And again it's maybe I'm having a bad day.

750
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 5: Maybe I just came from a really bad scene and

751
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,039
that's over and I'm onto the next one and I'm

752
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:24,960
struggling with that.

753
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,559
Speaker 3: But you don't think that, Yeah, you gotta. We're never

754
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,920
looking from the other person's perspective. It's almost, you know,

755
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,239
it's hard to that. I mean almost in things like fears,

756
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,119
yours verse theirs. You're human too, and you have maybe

757
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,239
a greater awareness of how a situation can turn on

758
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,519
a dime, and so there's a higher alert, you know,

759
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,639
and I don't know how you manage your fear while

760
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,199
you're dealing with someone else's. You know, you're trying doing

761
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,679
that with people. It's it's crazy, a lot of practice, yeah, you.

762
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 4: Know, and it's you hit it on the head.

763
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,199
Speaker 5: Every dispatch call that we get comes in, I tell

764
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,199
people comes in as bloody murder, right, it's always this

765
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,719
person might have a gun or whatever, because people want

766
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,280
you to get there as quick as they can.

767
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 4: But no matter what the.

768
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 5: Call is, as you're driving there and thinking of the

769
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,760
route and watching for traffic, you're also thinking what's going

770
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,239
to happen?

771
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: How is this going to go?

772
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,559
Speaker 5: Worst case scenario, best case scenario, and everything in between,

773
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:27,079
trying to mentally prepare for it.

774
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 4: Where are I going to park?

775
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 5: How am I going to approach this? You know, all

776
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,920
that stuff's going through your head and then you get

777
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,400
there and you have to handle it. You know, no

778
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,920
matter what the call is, whether it's a you know,

779
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,119
just a domestic with couples fighting over you know, who

780
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:44,920
gets control of the remote control, or you know, somebody

781
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,960
beating somebody up or somebody being held hostage, you never know.

782
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: Well, staying calm when chaos is loud, right, I mean,

783
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,239
that's the thing. And as you're talking and is going

784
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,800
to sound ridiculous, and I hope I don't say anything

785
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,199
too dumb or too dumb sounding to you. But you know,

786
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,000
one of the things that I do for myself is

787
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:10,159
I meditate, and I do find that to be very helpful.

788
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:11,079
Speaker 2: And all this is just.

789
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: Kind of trying to empty your head, not let things

790
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,840
recognize stuff as it comes up. Do they offer things

791
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,880
like that for officers, because every motherfucking days, but you

792
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,880
know what I mean, it's like Groundhog's Day in some instances.

793
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: And I hope that doesn't.

794
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: Sound too weird, But I do think that there's a

795
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,559
benefit to trying to learn to control you and to

796
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,760
control your emotions. And officers do a great job of it.

797
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,679
Speaker 5: But you're human, yeah, like you know, pride, macho, whatever

798
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:42,159
you want to call it. Like that's that's one of

799
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:44,880
the worst possible things. Like we're all human, we all

800
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,840
have emotions, we all have needs, egos, egos, you know,

801
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,280
And it's it's self awareness. It's realizing, hey, I'm having

802
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,079
a bad day. And this is where counting on your coworkers, right,

803
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,400
if you and I are part and we work together,

804
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,480
and I just had a miserable day. Right, something's going

805
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,239
on in my life. My grandma died whatever, right, Like

806
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,559
there's something eating me up. I'm gonna lean on you

807
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,760
to say, hey, look at, I need you to talk

808
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,840
to everybody tonight. I'll be here, I'll help out, i'll

809
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,239
take reports, whatever, but I don't have it in me

810
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,639
today to talk. So if you can do that, you know,

811
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:24,280
and you know, I might have to jump in now

812
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,719
and then or do whatever. And that's a big thing too,

813
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,239
is having that awareness of I've been talking to this

814
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,880
person for ten minutes. I'm not getting through to them.

815
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:37,000
Maybe you can, right, And I'm and most of our

816
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,320
people are that way. We're self aware enough to say,

817
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,760
look at, I'm not getting through. Maybe you have a

818
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,639
different tone, maybe you have something that you can connect

819
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,280
and you come in and you start talking about baseball

820
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,880
or something and boom, there's a connection.

821
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:48,199
Speaker 2: Right.

822
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 5: It's knowing that it's being okay with I'm not getting

823
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,599
this done, or in the answer your question, we do.

824
00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:00,519
We have a very good wellness program.

825
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:03,079
Speaker 3: I'm happy to hear that because I think that it's

826
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,320
something that you know, we're becoming more aware of mental health.

827
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,159
It's more openly talked about, but talk doesn't lead to

828
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,519
action always or even knowledge of what that is. And

829
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,719
I just think that, you know, you can't be good

830
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,079
for anybody else if you're not taking care of yourself first.

831
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,320
And people go, well, that's a little selfish. Good, Please

832
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,920
be selfish. Please be selfish as a parent. Give yourself

833
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,840
a break, don't you know. Don't burn yourself out somewhere

834
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,000
because it saves no one, You're right, and or serves

835
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:34,239
no one.

836
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,159
Speaker 4: I should say mental health is harder than physical health.

837
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I had a broken ankle, yeah, you wouldn't

838
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,280
think twice about Well, of course you're not going to

839
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,719
where You're not going to that job.

840
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's the.

841
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 5: Same thing if you you know, and we're all different,

842
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,239
Like things affect me a little bit different than they

843
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,639
affect my partner or other people you know, or you know.

844
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,039
You and I can go to the same exact call

845
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:01,480
and it's a it's a car fire, you unfortunately with

846
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:02,239
a tragedy.

847
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,199
Speaker 4: And to me, I'm like, Okay, I just got to

848
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:04,519
do this.

849
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 5: We'll get it done, get the car up the road,

850
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,039
do everything, all the report, everything we got to do.

851
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,559
But to you, something about that car or something about that.

852
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,559
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful Ferrari, new electric Ferrari got fire.

853
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:16,440
I mean, have you seen this thing? It was designed

854
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,079
by Apple, the interiors by the old Apple.

855
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,559
Speaker 4: Guys, then burning for three months. Still don't go out

856
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:24,719
with electric car, but you wanna say it like that

857
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:25,360
kind of stuff.

858
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 5: So, and it's good, and it's also on. One of

859
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,400
the things they're teaching us is it's on your fellow

860
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,760
deputy to notice like, hey, something's not right with you

861
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,599
or we had.

862
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 4: A really rough night.

863
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you okay?

864
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 5: And especially me as a supervisor, that's now my job

865
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,639
for all of my people is just to check in

866
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:43,599
with them, like, hey, that was kind of a messed

867
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:45,920
up call you guys, Okay, you need anything?

868
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,639
Speaker 4: How you doing? Like I just sleep last night, you know,

869
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,239
just just checking on them.

870
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,199
Speaker 3: Well, and that goes back to and I don't I

871
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,840
don't know because I am finding.

872
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,639
Speaker 2: You often hear things like ah, this generation puts of

873
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,079
snow lakes, blah blah blah.

874
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:04,199
Speaker 3: So I had two young guys in here, their high

875
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,639
school hockey players, travel hockey players, Kevin.

876
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: One of them was.

877
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,559
Speaker 3: Kevin's son, and we're talking and I start saying things

878
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,480
about that used to go on in the locker room,

879
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:14,480
and they look at me, and then Kevin.

880
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: Goes, tell them what you did in college about this thing?

881
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: And I tell them this story, and I thought it

882
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,960
was at the time one of the funniest things I

883
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,800
could have done.

884
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:23,559
Speaker 2: I I'll just give it to you.

885
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: I've told this story so many times, so I'm sure

886
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000
people were sick of hearing it. But there was a

887
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,840
kid who lived across the hall from me, and his

888
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,440
mom came in and I was like, moms don't look

889
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:34,760
that good.

890
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: Ever, I've never seen a mom that looked that good.

891
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,199
Speaker 3: So I found out that this was an achilles heel

892
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,719
for the kids because so I would always go, I go, hey,

893
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,400
when's your mom coming.

894
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: So then one time somebody goes his mom was here

895
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,519
and I missed it.

896
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,679
Speaker 3: I go, oh my god, and I go running into

897
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,280
his room and I bust open the door and I

898
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,960
pick up the couch cushion and I go, oh my god,

899
00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:59,599
your mom was here. Why didn't you tell me? And

900
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,400
I thought it was really funny. I say that these

901
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,159
guys they go they don't sing it, there's like no laughter,

902
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:07,760
and it was like, that's bullying.

903
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: And they weren't being pussies about it. They were just like,

904
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,280
you're an asshole. And I was.

905
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, this is okay. They're better than I was.

906
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,159
They're way better than I was.

907
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:19,079
Speaker 4: And I don't know why, but it just popped in

908
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,880
my head, like I think it's also different, like the way,

909
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:27,920
not the way we were raised, but like the movies, right, like.

910
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: Porky's all those different things. That's what's in our head,

911
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,480
and that's what your influence is.

912
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 2: It's not that way anymore.

913
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,599
Speaker 3: Well, I always was looking for the most outrageous thing

914
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,599
I could do that would be just on the line

915
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,559
of like I didn't want to right exactly. I wasn't

916
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,639
looking to get punched in the face, and I wouldn't

917
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,320
I usually. Even one of my kids said the other night,

918
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,760
we're all at dinner and he goes, you know, Dan,

919
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,719
I don't see you as a guy to have ever

920
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,639
started a fight.

921
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: And I said, and I go, what are you talking about?

922
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:01,199
And he's like, well, I mean I know.

923
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:02,599
Speaker 3: You box and did something like that, but I don't

924
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,519
see you starting a fight, but you would defend a fight.

925
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,719
And they were talking about the older boys were at

926
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,000
a bar and I go, oh, I got thrown out

927
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,280
of there once and they go what happened? And I said, well,

928
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,639
at the time, I was married and their mother was there,

929
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,960
I said, and the karaoke guy started saying shit about

930
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,199
your mom and stuff, and I started fucking yelling at him,

931
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,159
and he knew who I was.

932
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:22,119
Speaker 2: I was on the radio at the.

933
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:25,559
Speaker 3: Time, and I said I was ready to go, but

934
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,199
I didn't necessarily start it.

935
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: He said some shit that. And there was a time.

936
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,000
This is a bad one. I'm in the city with. Uh,

937
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,239
it's the parade, Saint Patrick's State parade.

938
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: One of the kids that my son says, kind of

939
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,920
bring a friend used.

940
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: To live in the city.

941
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: Apparently there was a girl on the side that he

942
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,639
used to date. She's now with her new boyfriend. They're

943
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,719
standing there and the guy starts saying some shit, like

944
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,079
getting in their face and doing this. And now it's

945
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,400
like it's mom and clearly not the kid's dad, but

946
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,639
he's her mom's partner. And they're all standing on the

947
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,679
side of the thing, and uh, the kids John and

948
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,480
he's pretending to like, you know, gesticulatingly he's going to

949
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:08,880
come out and all this, And so I walk over

950
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,519
and I look.

951
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,159
Speaker 2: At the the.

952
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 3: Probably my sister was saying, it's misogynistic to talk to

953
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,239
the guy. But I did, I go get your fucking

954
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,119
dog on a leash.

955
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: I go get your my kids. Like I remember that.

956
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go, yeah, because I'm not gonna you know,

957
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,400
I'm not looking to do anything, but if it has

958
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,719
to I will and if I get hurt, I get hurt.

959
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,119
Speaker 2: But not smart.

960
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,039
Speaker 5: Now, with hindsight, you look back and you're like, would

961
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:33,719
it have been worth it?

962
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely fucking not.

963
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 4: But that emotion and they at.

964
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,559
Speaker 3: The time, it's like, get your dog on a leash

965
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,559
and let you know. And I'm looking to say it

966
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,760
in a way that's going to be impactful.

967
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,679
Speaker 2: To you that you don't like, hey man, slow down.

968
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,880
No one hears that. No one hears that.

969
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: And that's the thing.

970
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: Words are powerful.

971
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: That's what's tough, and that's what's also you know, you

972
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,960
try to be polite, you try to be as kind

973
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,199
and as you can be, but sometimes, especially with people

974
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:05,119
who are intoxicated, you know, sometimes that doesn't work. Sometimes

975
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:07,320
you have to speak people's language, and sometimes you have

976
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,400
to cuss. Sometimes you have to raise your voice right

977
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,519
and again that's where you get the bystanders with the

978
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:12,760
video and they're like, oh my god, look at the

979
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,079
way you talk to this person.

980
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: Right, But we read in the room man, you know.

981
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,320
I mean, that's the thing. And that's why I.

982
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: Think I go back to veteran versus anything. We you know,

983
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,079
I say this, I don't know that people really understand

984
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,360
what I'm saying when I say words don't teach. They instruct.

985
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:38,760
We can get meaning out of it. We understand everything

986
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,840
has a meaning behind it, but they don't teach. Experience teaches,

987
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,000
and so when you're in a situation and you were

988
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:49,480
trained for something and I don't care what the job was,

989
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:51,639
you and go, oh, this is what they meant. Oh

990
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,800
this is this is from where I need to apply

991
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,119
this because I think that's your that's when you learn it,

992
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,800
that's when you see it, and you know, you can

993
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,880
be a great student and regurgitate everything, but can you

994
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:03,440
apply it?

995
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: And that that's the difference to me. Oh yeah, you know,

996
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,400
you know, And then.

997
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: It's going back for a second because it just popped

998
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,639
into my head because that's how it works, you know, squirrel.

999
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,519
You know, the muscle memory and the training like defensive

1000
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:20,840
tactics or you know, use of force and getting someone

1001
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,000
under rest. You train that so much that when you're

1002
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,760
brand new, you find out that in the way stress

1003
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,480
works on your brain. You get that stressful situation, someone

1004
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:34,719
takes a swing, they're drunk, they're they're not going to

1005
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,639
go to jail whatever. Next thing, you know, you're on

1006
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:38,960
the ground there in handcuffs and you stop and the

1007
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,800
you know, the boss walks up and goes, oh you okay.

1008
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 4: What'd you do? And you're like, I.

1009
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1010
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,119
Speaker 5: Because stress, and like the driving the carsonari, your body

1011
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,880
just takes over and that muscle memory, thank god, And

1012
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,320
that's why we practice it so much.

1013
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: And now with the body cams we.

1014
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,519
Speaker 5: Can go back and we can watch it and be like,

1015
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,920
oh my god, I did everything that I was supposed

1016
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,679
to do without even having to think about.

1017
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: It, right, and that and that's the stuff that's so

1018
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,280
so good. You know, we've talked a long time about

1019
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,079
the job, and I really wanted when I thought about

1020
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:16,760
you know, you coming in, I wanted this not to

1021
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,880
be about crimes and kind of stuff about people, because

1022
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,559
that's really what this is about.

1023
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: And it's about safety and uh.

1024
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 3: You know, you know, misconceptions and things and all that,

1025
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,559
but talk to me about off the clock. I mean,

1026
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:38,840
can you actually turn it off and and carry We

1027
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:43,039
always talk about, you know, taking your work home with you. Well, yeah,

1028
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,599
taking your work home with you doesn't mean you're bringing

1029
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,119
a file home and you're gonna sneak away from your

1030
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,159
wife for twenty minutes so you can get you know,

1031
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,039
the next proposal done. It's also what did I see

1032
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,079
today and one of my Karen Foden, how do I

1033
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,440
turn that off? And that's to me, that's a that's

1034
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,280
a skill.

1035
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.

1036
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 5: And it's again that that self awareness of I'm at home,

1037
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,440
I'm sitting on my couch and I'm going through my

1038
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,960
head of what happened last night, what did we do right?

1039
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:12,159
Speaker 4: What do we need to work on?

1040
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,079
Speaker 5: And again in my role, now, what do I have

1041
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,320
to talk about in roll call tomorrow to make sure

1042
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,280
that you know, these guys do it the right way?

1043
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,320
Or you know, hey, great job yesterday on this watch

1044
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,440
out when you're doing you know, just start game planning.

1045
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,960
You're thinking about that stuff. So it's definitely hard to

1046
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,679
turn off, but you gotta you gotta escape. You can't

1047
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,199
just constantly live in that world, you know. So for me,

1048
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,639
it's it's family.

1049
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: Well, okay, great point, and I think that take it

1050
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,800
away from even what you do to anybody anybody. One

1051
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,199
of the things that I found really really difficult at

1052
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:54,880
times was people who were so affected by something that

1053
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,880
happened outside of where they were presently, and.

1054
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: By that I mean social media.

1055
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:03,679
Speaker 3: Right, somebody said something, so I put my opinion out there.

1056
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,280
Now they're telling me I'm wrong, and that is that's

1057
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,280
where all of a sudden, my you're insulting my team,

1058
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,280
you know. And I used to make this analogy and

1059
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,519
I would say it, and it's kind of a harsh way,

1060
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:18,880
I guess to say it to some people, but it's

1061
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,559
not on social media. You're not wrong, You're dead fucking wrong.

1062
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,039
And people take that and so it used to drive

1063
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,840
me crazy because I would see it, you know, and

1064
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,880
I'd go, we're home, can you do a little grounding?

1065
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,159
Speaker 2: Where are your feet right now? Right? Where are we

1066
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,320
and what's happening?

1067
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: And the other people that are around need, especially if

1068
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,119
you're a parent, need you, and they need you to

1069
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,480
be present or as present as you can be, even

1070
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,679
if you're giving them the eighty twenty rule. You know,

1071
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,559
I don't know don't burn the burgers. But let's you know,

1072
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,480
hear the kid, and when you're so pissed off because

1073
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,800
somebody who you don't know just said something on X

1074
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,800
or whatever platform you're on, I go, that's the stuff

1075
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,280
that really really makes made me angry.

1076
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta, you gotta unplug, right, and let me

1077
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,480
just put this out there because I know my wife's

1078
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,119
gonna watch this.

1079
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:09,599
Speaker 4: I'm also guilty.

1080
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,119
Speaker 5: Right if you're bored and there you're sitting there, it's

1081
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:14,800
easy to open up Twitter and just scroll through to

1082
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,519
try to find a funny video and laugh.

1083
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 4: But you're absolutely right.

1084
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 5: You you have to unplug because next thing, you know,

1085
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,159
and it's not even if you don't come, I'd never

1086
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,519
comment on things it's worth but even.

1087
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: Although I do like reading comments, and I'm just I'm

1088
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,079
sorry to interject real quick, whenever a woman of a

1089
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:37,239
certain age it's feeling good about herself, especially if she's

1090
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,639
recently single, divorced, or maybe divorced and then the next

1091
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:46,400
relationship didn't work out, there's a selfie. There's a selfie, right,

1092
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,000
and that means she's feeling good about herself. And then

1093
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,400
I like to read through the comments and I'm looking

1094
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,039
for the guy I know who's married, and I go,

1095
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:55,400
don't do it, don't do it.

1096
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:56,199
Speaker 2: I did it.

1097
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see hey looking good and I go, you're

1098
00:49:58,639 --> 00:49:59,920
an idiot, you're you're a mora.

1099
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're right, And.

1100
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 4: It's it's we're so emotionally charged, right.

1101
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 5: People are almost exhausted because you had a bad day

1102
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,599
at work, things are going on at home, and what

1103
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:16,599
do you do to unstressed? You go on to social media,

1104
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,480
social media where it's all emotionally charged. This politics, that politics,

1105
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,440
this sports, that sports, and it's all.

1106
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 4: It's so easy to you.

1107
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 5: You know, you said it like you're you're dead wrong

1108
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,280
because I'm not looking you in the eye and saying

1109
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,280
you're dead wrong and seeing the humanity and having compassions.

1110
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know. And uh.

1111
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 5: Also part of that, like how do you not take

1112
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,800
it home? It helps to have friends who aren't in

1113
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,719
the same line of work, right, because if you go

1114
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,440
and you hang out with your buddies after work and

1115
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,119
all you do is talk shop. No matter what you do,

1116
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,199
even if you're an architect, you're not escaping work. You

1117
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,119
need some of those outside people, friends, family, whoever it

1118
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:05,719
is that don't do what you do. And then even

1119
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,159
when with them, it's not all it's not all about work,

1120
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:12,320
because that's the first thing to get especially once you're

1121
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,519
a cop. You're a cop, it's like a doctor is

1122
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:15,119
this looking forward?

1123
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,199
Speaker 3: It's your identity, right, it becomes your identity to everybody.

1124
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1125
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1126
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 4: My aunt used to do it all the time. It

1127
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,440
was like, oh, this is my this is my nephew

1128
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:23,800
the cop.

1129
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 5: It's like proud, yeah, which is great, but it's also

1130
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,480
it's not I am that's what I do.

1131
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

1132
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: Hard sometimes to separate that, I would think, even I

1133
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,039
mean for anybody right that goes away.

1134
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: I mean you talk to athletes.

1135
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:44,599
Speaker 3: There was a professional, former professional soccer player in here

1136
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:46,880
one day and we were talking about something completely different,

1137
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,159
and he talked about how hard it was to walk

1138
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,880
away because what do I do?

1139
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: Now? What do I do?

1140
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,199
Speaker 3: And if I'm an officer and I see something like

1141
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,880
how many times I don't know you're driving. Let's say

1142
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,880
you're off duty, you're on vacation, and you see something

1143
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,199
happen and you want to get to the side of

1144
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:06,880
the road to just say that the people step a

1145
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,960
little further away because you're too.

1146
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:09,679
Speaker 2: Close to the heads.

1147
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: Don't sit in the car necessarily if we can get

1148
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,239
out of the car and get further down, because.

1149
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,039
Speaker 2: Who knows what could happen.

1150
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,199
Speaker 5: You want to help, yes, while you take the you

1151
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,639
want to help people. But and I get it, it's

1152
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:24,280
intriguing to other people because it's it's fascinating, right, you

1153
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,400
see things and do things that other people don't do.

1154
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,559
So they have so many questions that they want to ask.

1155
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:31,159
But that also doesn't allow you anytime.

1156
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: Right, there's a word that or a phrase.

1157
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 3: Now that becoming very popular and and I think some

1158
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,239
people look at it and.

1159
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:45,679
Speaker 2: Go, well, soft here self care.

1160
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:49,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, So what do we think of self

1161
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:50,679
care and who do we apply it to? Well, I

1162
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:52,639
think most people hear that and you go, well, it's

1163
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,000
somebody going to get a massage or doing this. And

1164
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:58,000
I said to somebody, I go, your self care is

1165
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:03,280
going to be different. Now I I am somebody who

1166
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,760
I'm sure would rub people the wrong way a little bit.

1167
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:13,199
You know, we're seeing less people drinking right there. You

1168
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,440
talk to anybody in the liquor industry and it's actually

1169
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:17,559
dipping for maybe the first time. It used to be

1170
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,320
one of these things I go two things that are

1171
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,159
recession proof, and one of them would be the liquor industry,

1172
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,159
but they're seeing that start to go down. And I said,

1173
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:29,920
one of the things that I think was so damaging

1174
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:34,440
from the pandemic was the work from home and.

1175
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: The continuation of that.

1176
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: And the only reason I say that is again the

1177
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:41,960
socialization more than anything, because you don't get the same

1178
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,760
tone through text. How many times did you get pissed

1179
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,960
off because you misread a word or you did whatever,

1180
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:52,599
And that's not fair to anybody, including yourself, by the way,

1181
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,679
and that you know self care and there are people

1182
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,760
you can go on and find an expert about every

1183
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,760
health thing in the fucking world. Then I'm sure alcohol

1184
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,840
it's the worst thing you can ever put in your body. Okay, probably,

1185
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,360
but let me say this damage your liver a little

1186
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,119
bit and go to a bar and have a fucking

1187
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:10,719
conversation with somebody.

1188
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: Like, let's stop doing this. And I feel like the

1189
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,119
reason I say it was damaging when we do this

1190
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:19,920
work from home is it's not romantic relationships. I'm talking about.

1191
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:21,400
It's mentorship.

1192
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,519
Speaker 3: It's other people who have started great businesses because they

1193
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:29,519
work together at something else and they found a commonality.

1194
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,719
We just there's a miss there and I say. Somebody goes, well,

1195
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,239
what's your self care? And I would go sometimes it's

1196
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,079
just going a happy hour and see my buddies. And

1197
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,159
it's not I'm not saying getting off the rails, although

1198
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:46,000
that happens, but that or if somebody somebody said to

1199
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:47,719
me too, you know, smoking is such a bad thing,

1200
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,599
and I said it is, but you know what smoking

1201
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:50,039
really is.

1202
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,599
Speaker 2: It's about breathing.

1203
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: It's breathing and when you are smoking and you feel good,

1204
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,840
you're taking that deep breath in and you're letting it out.

1205
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:03,039
Speaker 2: Get it. I can understand. I've always liked the taste

1206
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:06,039
of that sort of stuff. I get it. It shouldn't

1207
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:09,199
do it. We know there's fucking warnings.

1208
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: On the box you will die, okay, But when I

1209
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,800
say things like meditation or breathing or take a break,

1210
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,800
that's what a cigarette break is.

1211
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: It's a fucking mental health break. I'm sorry.

1212
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 4: Well, the other problem is moderation. Moderation we seem to

1213
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,280
struggle with lately.

1214
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 5: But you know, alcoholics depress yes, no, and not like

1215
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,760
I feel bad about myself depressant. It slows down your

1216
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,559
nervous system.

1217
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,559
Speaker 2: So that's where your reaction time, your speech gets crow.

1218
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 5: Sure, you take too much and then it's bad. But

1219
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,440
a drink to you know, standard drinks, and you're gonna

1220
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,599
be a lot more calm. But there's meditation, there's all

1221
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:52,119
that other stuff.

1222
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 4: But you hit it on the head.

1223
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:56,519
Speaker 5: I think it's that socialization it is, you know, we're

1224
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,639
forgetting what it's like to talk to other people, talk

1225
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:03,920
to your interact with your neighbors, you have that human contact,

1226
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,960
that human connection, because social media is killing that and

1227
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,480
text messages and emails. I hate emails and it's mostly

1228
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,159
like you said, because I sit and I write an email,

1229
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,480
especially in my old spot, because you're sending it out

1230
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,639
to the world, and you're like, how could this be

1231
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,320
taken wrong? And you second guess every single word, and

1232
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,079
the stress of that alone is horrible, right, because you're like,

1233
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:29,679
I know what I want to say, I know what's

1234
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,960
in my brain, and I know what my intention is,

1235
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:36,280
but now I have to read it six times to

1236
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,400
make sure that no one could possibly take this the

1237
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,159
wrong way because I put this word next to that

1238
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:41,000
word or whatever.

1239
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: How long would it take to craft something like that? Seriously,

1240
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:47,639
Like how much time or could you have somebody else

1241
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,519
read it? Always, you know, always, this is where, like

1242
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:55,440
I swear, in every job you do, maybe you call

1243
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,719
it a mentor, or you got to check in with

1244
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,760
somebody who's doing it to go what am I not

1245
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,280
doing here? Or if you feel a little off about

1246
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,000
it or a little iffy, have somebody look at it. Absolutely,

1247
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,960
you know, and that is a socialization thing, and that

1248
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,480
is a bonding thing, and you could be somebody, you know.

1249
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,480
Going back to where we started out, sort of mentioned

1250
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,320
the politics of things, and you said you had grandparents,

1251
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,360
one on one side of the aisle, one on the other,

1252
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,639
and they could have conversations and they knew when to stop.

1253
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,280
And it reminded me of a thing because somebody said

1254
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,159
to me, you should get two people in here from

1255
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:32,119
opposite sides of the political spectrum.

1256
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:32,679
Speaker 2: We're so.

1257
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: Opposite now, were so divided, and I said, I don't

1258
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,679
want that as much as I want the family members

1259
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,239
who are no longer talking to each other because somebody

1260
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,719
is on this side and someone supports that side.

1261
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 5: Well, that was going to be my point right right

1262
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,480
nowadays it's well, I'm not even talking to my family

1263
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,199
anymore because they voted for so and so, yeah.

1264
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Is it not worth it? No?

1265
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 3: And I think some people are, you know, changing minds

1266
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:04,199
and things like that.

1267
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I don't know.

1268
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:09,719
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

1269
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,599
Speaker 2: I will say.

1270
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,039
Speaker 3: The only thing I'll say about like the current administration

1271
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:19,719
is I don't know where we end up when it ends.

1272
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:21,960
But I don't think I'll ever laugh as much as

1273
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,920
I did during this. And I'm not even laughing to

1274
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,599
be mean. When he opens his mouth and he says stuff,

1275
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,880
there's no filters and it's somewhat entertaining. And I have

1276
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:37,360
said many many, many times, fan or not, maybe the

1277
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,039
most effective in the office we've ever had, said he

1278
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,559
was going to do something, did it. We may not

1279
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:47,400
agree with the way he got done. But right now,

1280
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,280
I don't think there's border crossings are happening or their

1281
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,760
way down, you understand, And I get I understand. I'm

1282
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,519
not trying to even do that. I'm just saying just

1283
00:58:56,719 --> 00:59:02,440
on that surface alone and by death anission. The office

1284
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,039
of the Presidency on the world, I believe, is a

1285
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,320
bully pulpit, right and it's a chance to get up

1286
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:14,519
there and say your stuff. And many times there's a dance, right.

1287
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:19,519
We want to unite everybody. We're a huge country, huge

1288
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:24,320
made great by our diversity, truly, but we're a huge country,

1289
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:28,000
so trying to do stuff. So you would get hey,

1290
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,480
there's a poll and they're sick of hearing you say this.

1291
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,760
So whoever's in the office sort of backs off that rhetoric.

1292
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,760
You don't say that to this guy. He gets up

1293
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,119
there and he just keeps saying it.

1294
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: And my point being in that is it may be.

1295
00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 3: The most effective use of the office in the history

1296
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:52,079
of the office. I'm sure people are going fuck you

1297
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:54,800
men in no, no, no, I'm not saying one way

1298
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,880
or the other. Just please just try to think about

1299
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,119
this without the emotion.

1300
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: And that's hard. But when we look at it, I go, yeah,

1301
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,880
I mean we can agree.

1302
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:10,119
Speaker 3: Disagree, okay, But what's happening is people are taking notice

1303
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:12,800
and he doesn't back down on shit, and that's a

1304
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,559
difference that I think we haven't seen.

1305
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 4: What kills me is the people who you know.

1306
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:19,559
Speaker 5: You go back to the sports reference and it's like, well,

1307
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,440
my guy didn't win, so I hope this guy fails

1308
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,320
miserably to the point where they're ready to sink the

1309
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:25,880
whole country.

1310
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:26,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right.

1311
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 5: What was the analogy someone gave. It's like he's the

1312
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,079
pilot of the plane and you're hoping the plane crashes,

1313
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:32,000
but you're on the plane.

1314
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:32,679
Speaker 2: You're on the plane.

1315
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 4: What are you doing.

1316
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: We don't want.

1317
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,239
Speaker 4: I don't care who it is. I want them to

1318
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,000
be the best and do the best that they can do.

1319
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: Right, right.

1320
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 4: It's such an emotionally charge.

1321
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: Well, the other thing is we're two. There is one

1322
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,639
side of the aisle. I won't say too much. I

1323
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:53,840
think there's well, we have two political parties right that

1324
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,159
are essentially in power here. I know there's more, but

1325
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,519
there's two that are really the main ones and one

1326
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,079
side and you canfigure this. I think they I think

1327
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:04,079
they answered to two things. I think they answered to

1328
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,239
big business, and I think the answer to the church

1329
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,159
to a certain degree. And the other side, I feel

1330
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,280
like you have become so splintered that you can't even

1331
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:18,960
agree because we are and and every you want to

1332
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,519
be recognized and have rights and things like that. I

1333
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,599
get it, but now you've come so splintered that you

1334
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:28,119
are not agreeing with each other because you know, we

1335
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:30,559
want gay marriage. But then hey, fuck you over here,

1336
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:32,960
what about this? And so we have the infighting of

1337
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:36,239
us that you're not. It's like, I don't think that'll

1338
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:37,000
ever get together.

1339
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:40,239
Speaker 5: And it almost feels like if you're center, middle of

1340
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,440
the road, like there's no place for you. Everything's almost

1341
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,199
become so it's.

1342
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:48,119
Speaker 2: Nice and warm in the middle. Just come and listen,

1343
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,039
Just be nice.

1344
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,159
Speaker 3: I don't want to keep you too late, because I

1345
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,440
know you've come an office shift and we're doing this

1346
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,519
fairly early. But if people understood one thing about this job,

1347
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:01,360
what would you wanted to be If there's a misconception

1348
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:07,880
you'd like to have a race hmm, I guess, or

1349
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,920
even a truth you wish the public kind of understood

1350
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,840
better that.

1351
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 4: We're here to help, right. We're part of this community.

1352
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 5: We're not We're not people from outside who you know,

1353
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,519
are here to bully people or do.

1354
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: Any of that.

1355
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 5: We're citizens who live in this community where your neighbors,

1356
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,440
where your friends were, your family were people you know.

1357
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,400
I think it would be also that we don't make

1358
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,760
the law, we enforce it. We don't always agree with

1359
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,239
all the laws, but job so if you don't like

1360
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,760
the law, write your Congress people.

1361
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 4: They're the ones that can change that, not us. You know,

1362
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,800
and we're approachable. I think that's a that's a.

1363
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 5: Big misconception too, is that you know, we're we're just

1364
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,320
out looking to arrest people and you know, take them

1365
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,000
to jail or write them a bunch of tickets, And

1366
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:04,559
that's not true.

1367
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 4: There's it's safety. We're here for people's.

1368
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: Safety, right.

1369
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,039
Speaker 3: Well, landing on this one, like, what is one thing

1370
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,039
that you learned about people in this job that surprised you?

1371
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: I guess would be the.

1372
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 3: The thing that I'd want to know surprised you that

1373
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,679
you were like, you know, was there anything in terms

1374
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,440
of like just the collection of humanity that most people

1375
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,840
because I think most things are coming from one space,

1376
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,559
especially in a situation you see and I would say

1377
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,000
that's fear if you get to the bottom of it.

1378
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,440
It's anger described disguised as fear.

1379
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:42,679
Speaker 5: It's fear for sure, and it you know, the job

1380
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,039
is the job, and we covered how people call when

1381
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:49,320
they're in fear or they're having their worst day. A

1382
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,159
few years ago, for me, I became a community engagement

1383
01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:56,559
deputy where it was more I don't want to say

1384
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:59,159
officer friendly, but it was more of an educational role

1385
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,119
and going out and not dealing with people on their

1386
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:05,119
worst day, and that was eye opening because you're dealing

1387
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:07,559
with people who want you to come and speak to

1388
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:09,960
their group or you know, interact with them.

1389
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,079
Speaker 4: And it was good to see because.

1390
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,159
Speaker 5: Life, again is perception, and if all you see all

1391
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:19,199
the time is the bad, you start to get jaded

1392
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,079
and think that the whole world is bad and it's not.

1393
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:26,000
And you know, remembering that even though that's that person's

1394
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:30,119
worst day, they're not necessarily a bad person. So I

1395
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:36,920
guess that's they're seeing this the scale spectrum of different things.

1396
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,679
Speaker 2: Reserving judgment, yep, yeah.

1397
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 3: I mean we often hear like, don't judge it, and

1398
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:47,519
I go, I I'm an idiot, I guess because I'll say, well,

1399
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:50,079
I'm not so sure about that, And here's why. It's

1400
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:54,800
an instinct, right, Sometimes if I see something and I

1401
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,559
go the opposite direction, that's a judgment and there's a

1402
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:02,280
reason why. And I'm not sure that judging is necessarily

1403
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:07,480
wrong judging to exclude judging, for I get it right,

1404
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,760
not that treating somebody who haven't even talked to as

1405
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,000
though they're not human okay, shitty, But I think judging

1406
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:18,760
in a situation is there, and I think, you know,

1407
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,480
hearing you, I think as a police officer, I'll reserve

1408
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:26,320
that a little bit to you fully hear the person.

1409
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's definitely something that I've learned over the years.

1410
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,280
You know, whether again it's anything on social media now,

1411
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:32,840
you know.

1412
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:33,719
Speaker 4: I'll show my wife.

1413
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,559
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my gosh, look at this. I'm like, well,

1414
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:37,920
it's on social media, so take it with a grain

1415
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,719
of salt, because there could be way more to it

1416
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,480
than you know. And that's just how my brain works,

1417
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:44,840
because that's what I'm trained to do. I have to

1418
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,519
get all the answers before.

1419
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:48,159
Speaker 4: And people do it all the time. They're like, oh

1420
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:49,760
my gosh, what do you think about this?

1421
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I don't know. I don't have enough information,

1422
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:54,679
especially cop things, like there's cop videos out there and

1423
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:56,519
they're like, what do you think about this? What do

1424
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:57,880
you think about the shooting in Minnesota.

1425
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know.

1426
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just know I saw it didn't look good.

1427
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,719
But I won't comment because I don't have all the information.

1428
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I often say I don't I'm not educated enough

1429
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,199
to comment on that.

1430
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,199
Speaker 2: I do say that.

1431
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:15,199
Speaker 3: Because i'm not, And you know, that's a viodal situation

1432
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,360
that is so sad and very tragic in all ways.

1433
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,719
And you know, again, look at it from the perspective

1434
01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:26,159
that you want. You'll find your tribe absolutely will support

1435
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:28,840
your opinion, and let's do that. But in the end,

1436
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:33,000
you know, people are not here anymore. And and yet

1437
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:35,760
at the same time I have said this and I

1438
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,039
will I know, I keep saying, well, I ended on this.

1439
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:46,079
I would say to somebody, I'm not sure that anybody

1440
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:50,519
in those situations would have done anything different. And I

1441
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:52,559
know that people will go, well, how can you say that,

1442
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,559
I go, I've never been in a situation where my

1443
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,679
job is to de escalate something and somebody in a

1444
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:05,840
scrum screams gun gun, gun to a you know, alert,

1445
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,239
and it happens to me and the guy's waistband allegedly

1446
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,519
or whatever, and it's not out and being displayed. But

1447
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:13,239
I don't know what that's like, and I don't know

1448
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,159
what that means. And I know I'm sorry that it

1449
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:18,880
even came to that point.

1450
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:19,639
Speaker 2: I gotcha.

1451
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:24,239
Speaker 3: But the fact is, in those moments, I believe the

1452
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,119
one commonality is fear on both sides, absolutely right. And

1453
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,519
and so you know a car's coming at me. We

1454
01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:35,599
can see from all angles, maybe it wasn't. That person

1455
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:38,480
in the car was scared and trying to leave and

1456
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:40,519
didn't even take their partner with them, So we have

1457
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:43,440
fear there. And then the other person has a history

1458
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,320
of something happening to them before with an automobile in

1459
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,079
a situation similar pulls a trigger right, and I go,

1460
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,079
would you do anything differently?

1461
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1462
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 5: And that's that's what's hard, because.

1463
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 3: I think people get angry when I say things like that,

1464
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,880
because I'm you're defending. I don't know that I'm defending.

1465
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,119
I'm just saying, what can we try to slip back

1466
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:08,119
from the emotion just a little bit. Let's take that

1467
01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:12,000
beat and look at it and try to say, tragic situation.

1468
01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:14,199
I wish it never happened. I wish we never got

1469
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:15,199
to this point.

1470
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 2: We're here now. You know.

1471
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:20,159
Speaker 3: I often say things like, I'm living the life, not

1472
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,279
the life I planned. What, it's the life I'm in.

1473
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:24,560
So what am I gonna do?

1474
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1475
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,039
Speaker 5: And it's uh, it's tragic, worst day for everybody around.

1476
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:31,159
Speaker 4: And you hit it on the head.

1477
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 2: The fear.

1478
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 4: There's there's fear.

1479
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, you're you're.

1480
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,520
Speaker 5: Responding to a school shooting. Fuck, and that that's the

1481
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,319
worst possible scenario. God, you know, you're thinking of all

1482
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,279
the things that could happen and what's going on. You

1483
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,279
gotta save those kids. But then in the back of.

1484
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,199
Speaker 4: Your mind too, you're thinking, oh my god, what's the media.

1485
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:48,399
Speaker 2: Going to say?

1486
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 5: And if if I do X and Y, how's that

1487
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,640
going to be portrayed? Even if I'm trying to do

1488
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,000
the right thing, there it's gonna go. And that all

1489
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:56,880
gets into your head.

1490
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,279
Speaker 2: You know what drives me, that's no situations. This is

1491
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:01,800
the man.

1492
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 5: All the parents that show up, and that's part of it.

1493
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,960
I'm sorry, having a plan for no like all the.

1494
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 2: Parents that show up.

1495
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,199
Speaker 3: And I understand and I will tell you many many,

1496
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:21,680
many years ago. Now, a drug deal gombad people out

1497
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,760
of New York City came up and they grabbed a

1498
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,439
father and a daughter and they were the wrong people.

1499
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,840
So they picked them up in Greece, dropped them off

1500
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,760
in the city. Now police are called, there's a chase,

1501
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,039
the sheriff's departments involved, and these guys are flying to

1502
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:40,520
get out of town and back to the Thruway, and

1503
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,880
they're in a chase and they pull off at the

1504
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,199
exit that I live off of, and they come screaming

1505
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:47,399
up the street I live on.

1506
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:48,520
Speaker 2: I mean they're flying.

1507
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,239
Speaker 3: And now it's like officers are everywhere, right, guys ditch

1508
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:59,520
a car and there's an elementary school and the gym

1509
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,680
teacher had the schools aren't air conditioned here for most

1510
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,319
of them, aren't. I think some are trying to do

1511
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:06,920
that now because it seems to be getting a little

1512
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,479
warmer in May. The offices usually are yes and yes

1513
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,399
they are, or even if it's just a window on,

1514
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:17,000
but you're right. So the guy has the door propped

1515
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:20,439
open because the gym gets hot and their little kids

1516
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,720
and they're hot and sweaty and smelly, and a guy

1517
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:30,279
walks in and says hey, and the gym teacher immediately

1518
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:33,239
says to the guy, how can I help you?

1519
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 2: Right?

1520
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,039
Speaker 3: And he could see that the guy's I'm not going

1521
01:10:36,119 --> 01:10:37,880
to say, in an agitated state, but he's in an

1522
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:38,680
elevated state.

1523
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,159
Speaker 2: He's being chased, right, he's amped up. Yeah.

1524
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 3: Guy walks and says, all right. Uh, he goes, can

1525
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,720
you call me a cap. I'm looking for a cap

1526
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,760
I need to get I need out of my car

1527
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:50,239
broke down.

1528
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:50,520
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1529
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,399
Speaker 3: The guy says, so they bring him up. Well, now

1530
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:58,199
the swat team and everybody's there and they don't know

1531
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:03,239
what's going on, Like, no one knows what the person

1532
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:05,880
who has now walked into the school was involved in

1533
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:06,840
a high speed chase.

1534
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: There were three guys in the car. They don't know

1535
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:09,920
where the other two are.

1536
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 3: And the swat team shows up and it's in a

1537
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:20,279
more affluent area of our town is Pittsford, and so

1538
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:24,079
they climb up. They're in trees, they've got the guns

1539
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:27,760
that are all pointed. They don't know what's coming understood.

1540
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:34,760
The neighborhood is buzzing, and we're seeing all the officers around.

1541
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:39,119
And I had built a sunroom that faced the street

1542
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:41,159
that the high speed chase is on. I'm just sitting

1543
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:43,960
there and I'm watching them.

1544
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 2: And I'm here, what's going on? What's going on?

1545
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: So I call somebody I know who works in television news.

1546
01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:53,039
They give me what they know, and all of a sudden,

1547
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,399
I'm hearing some chatter and a bunch of the moms

1548
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,760
are going to walk up to the school and I go,

1549
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,960
don't do that, And I'm told why not? And I go,

1550
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:07,199
because you're a cholesterol. I go, you know what cholesterol does.

1551
01:12:07,399 --> 01:12:10,199
It gets in the way, it blocks stuff. I go,

1552
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:12,560
these guys are trained. I go, yeah, but I don't

1553
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,520
want to. I go making a bit. Okay, we want

1554
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,479
to make it less on the kids. Let's not make

1555
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:18,119
it a big deal.

1556
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,079
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Well, I got it. But

1557
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:23,840
to have this, oh my god, I'm so happy, Johnny.

1558
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 3: It like only elevates the kid a little bit. In

1559
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,000
a situation where they didn't know. My middle son, who's

1560
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,119
now twenty four, was in second grade and the teacher.

1561
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:37,720
I saw her because I went and got pizza, and

1562
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,319
we're having kind of a block party after that, which

1563
01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:41,880
was great for me. I got to drink one of

1564
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,479
the neighbors and that was fine, but everybody was very heightened.

1565
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,199
And I ran into her and she said to me,

1566
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:52,159
oh my god. I looked out and I see, you know,

1567
01:12:52,399 --> 01:12:56,720
assault rifles basically pointed at the doors, and she said,

1568
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,520
So I got the kids on the ground, I turn

1569
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,159
off the lights, I lowered the sh shades, and I

1570
01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:03,880
read to them and then she started crying. And so

1571
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,279
I'm giving the second grade teacher a hug and all

1572
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:08,039
this stuff. And I was like, that's a great way

1573
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:10,960
to handle it. But all the parents that get up there,

1574
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,000
what are you gonna do?

1575
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,119
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Nothing? Is what I'm saying.

1576
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:18,039
Speaker 4: I mean, you're gonna take away reasons.

1577
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 2: Even if you say to me, I have a gun. Okay,

1578
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,520
have you been in this situation like this? How when

1579
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,479
was the last time you went to the range?

1580
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,359
Speaker 3: Because I guarantee, and I know it sounds kind of shitty,

1581
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:31,319
And at the time, I was married, and it became

1582
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,840
kind of a bonus contention that I had this opinion.

1583
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,239
Speaker 2: But I do. I go. They're the ones there.

1584
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,079
Speaker 3: I My job is afterwards we can talk about it,

1585
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:44,079
try to what's the process it?

1586
01:13:44,199 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: I got that, But in the moment, I'm not the guy.

1587
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's definitely hard, right.

1588
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,279
Speaker 5: I see both sides. I see the stress. I see

1589
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:56,399
the you know, need to take care of and you know,

1590
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,600
protect your child. But I also see the operation side

1591
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,800
of it, where now you're cholesterol that the cholesterol you

1592
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,039
get away.

1593
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 4: You're going to take away resources from what we're doing.

1594
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,279
Speaker 3: To tell missus Jones, shut your mouth.

1595
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,159
Speaker 2: They can't hear us inside. You know, we're trying to

1596
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:13,640
talk this.

1597
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,520
Speaker 5: Guy down, and you know, I'll give you A perfect

1598
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,800
example is one of the worst case scenarios is an

1599
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,359
off duty officer because I'm a cop, I trained, I

1600
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:23,800
know how to do this. I got my gun, my

1601
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,840
kids in there, I'm in my Bahama shorts and my

1602
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,319
tank top. And here's the thing that people don't think

1603
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:32,760
about is we don't know all the time what's going on.

1604
01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:36,600
So we see, we're high stressed, we're trying to figure

1605
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,199
all this out, and then there's a person with a

1606
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:40,960
gun in somewhere where we know there's a person with

1607
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,079
a gun trying to hurt people.

1608
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:44,199
Speaker 4: That's just setting the tone for bad.

1609
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: Okay, no, it's a movie, yep.

1610
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,119
Speaker 4: So just you know you can come there. That's where

1611
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:49,920
we've gotten a lot.

1612
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,399
Speaker 5: Better at having you know, uh, staging aaaging areas and

1613
01:14:53,399 --> 01:14:56,199
I don't even connect people, you know. And then you

1614
01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:57,960
could say, there, we'll get you as much information as

1615
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,399
we can while we can and all that, but it's

1616
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,319
it's keeping people out of trying to get into this

1617
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:07,000
and adding to it, right, you're adding either more victims

1618
01:15:07,039 --> 01:15:09,199
or more hostages like that doesn't help anybody.

1619
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:13,159
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, and it's like you're you literally are I

1620
01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:15,520
have no other way to say, you're cholesterol.

1621
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,079
Speaker 2: That's just it. Let's not be cholesterol.

1622
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:18,319
Speaker 4: And that's where I always tell people.

1623
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,079
Speaker 5: Our job is we are the calm, yes and the

1624
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:23,880
crazy in the hectic. It's our job to be the

1625
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,920
calm in the rational. It's hard sometimes, but that's our job.

1626
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,800
And my job has also help you be a little

1627
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,760
more calm. And I do that by staying calm.

1628
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you don't mirror me. What a good way

1629
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:36,800
to add that.

1630
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good very nice Deputy Hurly. Thank

1631
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,800
you for your time. I appreciate it. I love conversations

1632
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:49,319
like this because it's not just about the police and crimes,

1633
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,760
but more about humanity. And I think there's some value

1634
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,720
in what you've said for anybody who's a parent or

1635
01:15:56,199 --> 01:15:58,960
just walking through the world, right give them a little something.

1636
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 4: Thanks you so always a pleasure.

1637
01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:04,279
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, nice to see you again. I'm Bill Moran.

1638
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,760
We'll see you tomorrow. See if they were looking for

1639
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,920
a candle Nutana see please